WEBVTT - Chuck’s Commentary - Anti-vaxx Has Become The New Prohibition Movement + Ask Chuck 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:07.200 Hello, they're happy Thursday. I know I've hit you three 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:09.680 straight days, but as I told you, it's a you know, 0:00:09.720 --> 0:00:10.120 it's the. 0:00:10.160 --> 0:00:11.120 Second new year. 0:00:12.360 --> 0:00:13.960 It's the sort of the second new year, as I 0:00:14.040 --> 0:00:16.400 like to call it, where we're sort of getting things started. 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:19.119 Washington is sort of gearing back up for business. Congress 0:00:19.120 --> 0:00:21.800 had a really tough week this week. I think they 0:00:21.800 --> 0:00:24.480 had had to work for two and a half whole 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:27.120 days here in Washington before getting getting. 0:00:26.800 --> 0:00:27.400 To fly out. 0:00:28.000 --> 0:00:29.800 How is your two and a half day work week? 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:32.519 If I could go that to you? They But in 0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:36.440 all seriousness, I think Congress will certainly have to take 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:40.040 a more starring role, won't be there's no There's only 0:00:40.120 --> 0:00:42.880 room for one star in Washington right now, and that's 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:46.159 the occupant of the Oval Office. But Congress has a 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:50.199 lot of ways to insert itself into the story, from 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:54.720 the Epstein files, from we've got government funding coming up. 0:00:54.880 --> 0:00:57.680 That was obviously the focus of my lead yesterday with 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:01.160 excuse me on Wednesday, I say yesterday, I don't want 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:03.880 to assume when you guys are I know you're listening 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:06.480 the second in uploads right, of course, But for those 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:08.240 of you that are listening a little late, nothing wrong 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:11.520 with that. But in the previous podcast I talked about 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:14.320 sort of when you start. 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:16.280 To look at the political. 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:22.400 Situation of the Democrats nationally, being uncooperative on the budget 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:27.520 might be better politics for them. I e. Now, we've never 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:30.400 seen a situation like that. But I want to start 0:01:30.400 --> 0:01:33.160 with sort of what's going on here, this anti vaccine 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:38.240 zeal that's taking place, and with the announcement the Florida 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:40.000 this is the state I grew up in. In fact, 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:42.880 I remember they just announced that they're not going to 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:47.680 have they're going to drop the vaccine mandate for kids 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:50.920 in schools. You talk too many health experts and they 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:54.480 will tell you the vaccine mandates for public schools and frankly, 0:01:54.560 --> 0:01:59.360 for most schools. It's not just public schools. Most private 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:02.120 schools also have a manday essentially follows state law, whatever 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:05.919 the state law is. And so the Florida Surgeon General, 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:10.799 who's somebody that many in the scientific community would say 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:14.400 isn't really a believer in mainstream science and mainstream theories 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:18.520 of healthcare. You know, he's been the one that you know, 0:02:19.360 --> 0:02:22.360 has been telling people not to take mRNA vaccines and 0:02:22.400 --> 0:02:25.560 has pushed against the COVID stuff. And it's pretty much 0:02:25.560 --> 0:02:29.440 an anti vaxxer. And what's interesting is that Ronda Santis 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:31.639 is not somebody who came across as an anti vaxxer 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:34.120 when he ran for governor in twenty eighteen, and even 0:02:34.120 --> 0:02:36.160 in twenty twenty two didn't. And in fact, when the 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:39.240 vaccine was rolling out, his office was very aggressive at 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:41.519 making sure everybody sixty five plus could get it and 0:02:41.600 --> 0:02:45.040 all of those things. So to see the turn here, right, 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:48.880 you know, you know, politically, what's been successful for him 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:53.240 was keeping Florida open. But the idea that you'd be 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:56.040 anti vaccine to keep Florida open has sort of been 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:58.600 an odd mix here in an odd marriage. But in 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:01.320 some ways that that's what's been going on. Right, And 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:03.639 you sit there and I'll tell you when I saw this, 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:08.320 I actually remember I was one of those kids. I 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:11.400 remember I was not allowed to start school. I think 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:13.919 it was before third grade. I can't remember second grade 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:16.760 or third grade or fourth grade, but it was it 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:21.840 was in elementary school. And my doctor, you know who, 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:25.240 to vouch for my vaccine schedule only put the month 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:29.600 in the year, and the bureaucrats that Dade County said 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:33.080 that wasn't good enough, and because the day of the 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:37.480 week wasn't put in there what day it was, I was, 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:41.200 I was, you know, not allowed to not allowed to 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:48.080 come to school. And it turned into this standoff between 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:51.880 my parents and them a little bit nothing. But at 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:55.400 some point my doctor just said, all right, we'll just 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:57.720 say it happened on this day and we just put 0:03:57.720 --> 0:03:59.640 a date and then it was done right. It didn't matter, 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:01.560 didn't have to verify it for sure, but the fact 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:04.080 that the form didn't have that was what this became. 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:07.440 And you know, my let's just say, my father thought 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:11.240 it was a bit absurd, and I remember he said, 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:15.080 I want you to take this note to your teacher 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:17.560 to apologize that you weren't there. And I think in 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:19.719 the note I remember reading it, it was like the 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:22.680 bureaucracy of Dade County Public Schools, you know, forced this, 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:25.280 and we're sorry that he couldn't be there, and this 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:27.200 is not how we are as parents. We were very 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:30.640 respectful to teachers. Blah blah blah. It was interesting how 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:35.960 he did it on that front. My father was a character. 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:40.320 I miss him. I miss him dearly and often wonder 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:42.640 I lost him. In nineteen eighty eight, I often wonder, 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:46.479 because I got my love of politics from him, I 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:47.240 often wonder what. 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:48.760 He would think of today's politics. 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:52.240 I have the luxury to believe one thing, and I'll 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:55.440 just leave it at that on that front. But what 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:57.720 it gets me too is trying to figure out. I'm 0:04:57.720 --> 0:04:59.680 trying to figure out how the hell did Florida lose 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:02.760 its mind? And I don't think it's the residence of Florida, Like, 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:06.560 how did we get how did this kooky anti vax 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:10.200 stuff go mainstream? And I've been looking for an historical parallel, 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:13.760 like when have we lost our minds before as a 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:18.880 society and got like weird fervor this an anti something further, 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:24.279 and I think we're experiencing something that's very similar to prohibition. 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:29.080 And what's interesting if you think about the timing of 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:34.080 the of the prohibition movement and the war on alcohol 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:37.839 and the anti vax movement, and when did sort of 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:40.800 the war on alcohol see its greatest success and when 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:45.040 has the anti vax movement seen its greatest success? Well, 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:48.040 you had the pandemic in nineteen seventeen and eighteen, and 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:54.279 World War One had a huge cultural impact on society, 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:57.279 and there was an anti alcohol movement before the world 0:05:57.400 --> 0:05:59.920 World War One and before that pandemic of nineteen seventy 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:06.800 in eighteen, and it's certainly raised anxieties. The pandemic and 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:10.960 World War One back then raised anxieties about morality and 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:15.360 public health and the anti alcohol movement which had existed. 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:18.760 If you're a watcher of the Gilded Age, Cynthia Nixon's 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:23.520 character hosts meetings of the Temperance movement. This was the 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:25.920 beginnings of the anti So this was like a twenty 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:28.560 year movement, just like the anti vaxx movement, right, has 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:31.800 been around a long time. It took a long time 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:35.360 for them to get traction. Covid allowed them, gave them 0:06:35.400 --> 0:06:39.760 their moment, and the vaccine mandates, right, that was the opening, Right, 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:42.520 it was the mandate that became the opening for the 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:44.640 entire thing. And it wasn't just about a COVID vaccine. 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:47.479 Right now we're getting rid of mandates on mumps and 0:06:47.520 --> 0:06:50.880 measles and hepatitis B and all these things, which is 0:06:51.279 --> 0:06:55.599 really quite concerning. Well, in some ways, the pandemic of 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:58.839 nineteen eighteen and World War One and the anti German 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:03.560 mindset that the country had, which also meant anti beer, right, 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:06.680 The biggest brewers at that time in America were Germans, 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:11.760 so it became so they took advantage of a moment. Okay, Now, 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:14.760 the anti alcohol movement was framed sort of as a 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:20.360 moral crusade. It was a moral failing, was the argument, right, sin, corruption, 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:24.560 family destruction. The German American brewers were the villains here, right, 0:07:24.600 --> 0:07:26.600 We just fought them, you know, the Europeans had to 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:29.560 fight them War one. They're bad people and they're the 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:31.160 ones pushing alcohol on us. 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:33.160 And then the. 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:37.840 Dry reformers at the time said that abstinence, you know, 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:41.160 in some ways was a civic duty. Well, think about 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:43.640 the anti VAXX movement, right, it's been framed as sort 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:47.920 of a personal rights issue. Farmer companies, public health officials, 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:52.800 and globalists are the villains here, and the choice being 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:55.559 able to have a choice. It's being framed it's patrio. 0:07:55.600 --> 0:07:58.920 It's your patriotic duty to resist this coersion, right, that's 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:02.040 not what a free society allowed to you. So that 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:04.680 was it helped them get a hold. So then you 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:07.440 have sort of you know, how did they you know, 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:08.320 move forward? 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:08.560 Right? 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:12.040 The eighteenth Amendment, the Volstead Act banned even mild beer 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:15.680 and wine, sweeping, federal intervention in a daily life when 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:17.880 it came to alcohol. All of this, right, all of 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:21.640 this happening right after right right nineteen nineteen, nineteen twenty, 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:25.640 nineteen twenty one. Well, the vaccine mandates for workplaces, schools, 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:29.800 military court battles over OSHA, and federal contractors. Do they 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:33.200 have to abide by the mandate sweeping requirements? 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:33.680 What did it do? 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:37.800 It hardened opposition that actually might have faded it had 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:40.240 been left to being voluntary. If there is a mistake 0:08:40.320 --> 0:08:44.120 here that the scientific community made and that the government 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:48.720 officials made, was the mandate aspect of this, right, you know, 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:50.400 you tell somebody they have to do it, and then 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:51.880 they go, well, why are you making me do it? 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:54.920 You tell somebody that it's voluntary. But here's why we 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:57.280 think you should do it. You're going to get eighty twenty. 0:08:57.280 --> 0:09:00.160 You'll probably get eighty twenty in either case. The question 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:04.040 is is, you know, does the eighty become an advocate 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:07.840 or do they become do they become a quick questioning? 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:10.959 Now think about you know, and look what happened here. 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:15.680 The concern about alcohol was frankly like, was the hard stuff. 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:17.800 But then when they banned baar and wine. It started 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:21.920 to get get at people and what we're doing here, 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:24.840 anti vaxx, anti COVID vaccine, that was one thing. Now 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:29.920 this is turning into anti all vaccines. So what happened 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:33.800 with alcohol? Well, so what happens We ban alcohol and 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:37.319 then basically we create crime gangs, Right, we create an 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:39.800 entire criminal industrial complex. 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:41.400 That actually exists to this day. 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:45.040 Number one, right, black market, Lickner, and then the irony 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:48.880 was poisonings and debt. Here, the anti alcohol movement was 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:53.600 supposed to be about making you healthier. It was supposed 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:56.360 to make society better. So what did it do? It 0:09:56.440 --> 0:10:02.520 increased crime and more people died from bad alcohol, essentially 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:07.560 bootlegged alcohol, you know, the homemade stuff that people unregulated 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:13.120 and it was killing people. Well, the anti vaxx movement, right, 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:18.000 all of a sudden, now it is spread beyond covid. 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:22.600 No more vaccines from measles, polio, HPV, these diseases were contained, 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:25.520 and now we've already seen a measle's outbreak. Lord only 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:28.040 knows what's going to come in Florida without this vaccine mandate. 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:31.720 You know, it's sadly, it's not going to be an 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:40.000 if something breaks out, it's a win, so not another parallel. 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:43.120 Then there was the political fallout right, Prohibition became a symbol. 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:47.040 It turned into a symbol of government overreach and eroded trust, 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:50.320 fueled cynicism about reform, and eventually it does get repealed, 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:53.480 but not until there's one of the most catas you know, 0:10:54.240 --> 0:10:58.360 the nineteen twenties were incredibly disruptive in American society in 0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:02.000 all sorts of pipe leads to the Great Depression. It 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:08.160 also leads to the party behind all of this, right 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:14.560 ends up getting just eviscerated in nineteen thirty two. Immediately 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:18.240 prohibition is repealed. Why at the time the economy was terrible. 0:11:18.840 --> 0:11:21.800 It was pitched as a way to potentially create jobs. 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:24.680 If you legalize alcohol and get it back on the 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:27.319 streets the making of it, you know, you might create jobs. 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:29.880 And it was also was going to make the working 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:32.600 class a little bit happier as you were trying to 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:36.560 keep society from falling out. Well, the anti VAXX movement right, 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:41.120 it's reshaping politics of the right. It's embedding now distrust 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:44.280 into public health. It's going to be long term party 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:48.839 identity now for real, anti government, anti institution, but it's 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:52.439 going to erode compliance for a while. And the question 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:55.120 is going to be when you could sort of see 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:58.400 it here, right, it is at some point the public's 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:01.080 going to figure out this made us less healthy, this 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:03.880 put us more at risk. And in fact, I think 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:08.880 the state of Florida is you know, wrongful death lawsuits 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:14.200 are gonna skyrocket if people die from getting a disease 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:17.440 that could have been stopped with a vaccine. And I 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:20.000 think it's the government itself, right, that is going to 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:23.000 They're supposed to be shields for this, right, government is 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:26.679 supposed to be shielded a bit from this that ultimately. 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:26.880 It's the people. 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:32.640 But this is an intentional act too. How are they 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:35.040 trying to do harm? You know, you could argue that 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:39.320 the motivation is not to do harm, but they are knowing, 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:42.320 you know, all the evidence is they know the potential 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:44.320 harm that can be done from this decision, and they 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:50.560 did it anyway. So look, it's not a perfect analogy 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:54.040 sort of the prohibition movement, but it is a reminder 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:57.120 we lost our minds as a society and somehow this 0:12:57.240 --> 0:13:00.240 took hold and nobody really wanted it, but nobody knew 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:03.720 how to stop it, and it took sort of It 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:07.440 took people dying. It took the rise of criminal gangs 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:09.040 and the mob and all of these stuff to get 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:11.440 people to realize, yeah, this is this wasn't the right way. 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:11.720 To do it. 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:18.080 So the question is is it when when you know, 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:21.880 I don't think anybody thinks not getting vaccines is a 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:23.920 good idea. When I say anybody, obviously there's some people 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:27.080 they're in power. But I think this is a seventy 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:28.599 thirty issue. I don't think this is a fifty to 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:29.319 fifty issue. 0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:31.280 I guess we have to go. 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:35.240 Polling on it more directly than ever before. I now 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:38.040 it'll be interesting. Is we need some better polling data. 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:40.560 And I think we're you know, I know what I'd 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:42.240 be doing if I were running the NBC News poll 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:45.120 right now, creating a battery of tests on this. I 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:48.680 think on public health, I think we we're all making 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:51.520 assumptions that we know how. I assume it'll be pretty generational. 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:53.400 I think the older you are and the memories you 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:59.600 have of quarantines, of having people you knew in your 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:02.640 life die of the measles and mumps, which was not 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:06.960 a rare thing in the forties, thirties, forties and fifties, 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:13.320 that the memory of those things is you know, means that, 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:15.360 my guess is the older you are, the more pro 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:17.880 vaccine you are, and perhaps the further away you are 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:20.760 from this, the more quote open you are to personal 0:14:20.800 --> 0:14:28.280 freedom on this front. But look, I'm throwing it out there. 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:32.320 I'm not saying this is a definitive comparison. I'd love 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:34.600 your feedback on this. What do you think is the 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:37.560 is this anti vaxx movement that's starting to take hold. 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:41.280 I think there are a lot of parallels here to prohibition, right, 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:44.440 which in some ways right, it took almost one hundred 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:46.400 years to get rid of dry counties. There's still a 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:50.160 handful of dry counties. I've watched my in my state 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:53.840 of Florida. Over time, the dry counties in the last 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:56.400 twenty years have finally gone away. So it took nearly 0:14:56.440 --> 0:14:59.440 one hundred years for this for the entire sort of 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:04.120 war on alcohol to be fully repealed or to be 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:07.280 you know, fully surrender. So this may and this is 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:10.200 a reminder we may have set ourselves back on the 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:13.120 on the vaccination front and on public health for one 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:18.760 hundred years, that it may take that long for smaller 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:24.040 communities to realize this was a mistake. Now again, I 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:26.680 think there are lessons learned here from those that want 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:34.200 more vaccine compliance, and that is mandates don't work, right, 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:38.040 it's the mandates. You know, you can implement certain mandates 0:15:38.120 --> 0:15:41.360 right school children, yes, kids, And by the way, this 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:44.280 is the real vulnerability here, I think politically in the 0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:46.680 short term, I have no idea whether the Democrats are 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:47.960 capable of a message like this. 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:49.200 But if I were. 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:52.120 Advising a bil cassidy right now, I'd say, look, you're 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:54.280 looking for a way to sort of get out of 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:57.840 this box that you've put yourself in. Well, you know, 0:15:57.840 --> 0:16:00.080 do you want to be on the side of of 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:02.640 more children and more healthy children or you want to 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:06.000 be on the side of less healthy children? Right, because 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:12.080 right now the Republican Party is accumulating a record that 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:17.200 is putting kids, is making kids less healthy, is making 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:20.560 their outcomes less healthy. Whether it's on you know, not 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:25.520 mandating vaccines. To look at the state of Texas and 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:27.800 it's inability to have a warning system with the floods 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:30.800 that put those kids at risk. Obviously, it's with what's 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:35.480 happening at schools and the inability to protect kids from 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:39.080 guns there that you know, there's a record here piling 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:41.880 up the medicaid cuts. Who gets hurt the most? It's 0:16:42.120 --> 0:16:45.560 kids the deportations, who gets hurt the most? The kids 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:49.880 that are born here, right, there's this. The most vulnerable 0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:52.960 to all of these radical policy changes that we've been 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:56.680 experiencing over the last six months are those under the 0:16:56.680 --> 0:17:01.800 age of eighteen in various ways. I again, I don't know. 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:05.840 I've not seen a messaging component out of the Democratic 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:08.680 side that knows how to do this and and sort 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:09.240 of simplify. 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:10.400 The closest I've seen. 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:12.679 Is Ram Emmanuel, who sort of tried to look at 0:17:12.680 --> 0:17:15.119 this kitchen you know, sort of start at the kitchen 0:17:15.119 --> 0:17:17.760 table and work your way back, rather than to start 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:19.400 with a political argument. 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:20.760 And work your way towards the kitchen table. 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:24.359 And I think on this vaccine stuff, you've got to 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:27.000 step away from the political side as much as that's 0:17:27.040 --> 0:17:29.040 where you know, this is a Kennedy problem and it's 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:30.960 all of this. But in some ways, the more you 0:17:31.040 --> 0:17:34.359 focus it there it probably is the less people hear it, 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:37.840 and the more you go as to, hey, are people 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:41.640 looking out for your kids anymore? Because nobody's seen they're 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:45.480 not doing that in Washington, and here's how I think 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:51.399 that's where the vulnerability lies politically. But we shall see so. 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:55.560 But i'd love your feedback the next couple of rounds 0:17:55.560 --> 0:17:58.920 of asked Chucks. I will if you just send comments. 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:03.360 You know, you know your take, what you know. If 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:06.600 you've got a way to strengthen my comparison, I'd love 0:18:06.640 --> 0:18:09.320 to hear it. If there's more holes in it, I'd 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:12.400 love to hear that too, So bring it on and 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:15.399 h later in an ass Chuck, we will respond to that. 0:18:15.840 --> 0:18:19.600 Just a few other intriguing notes and political developments over 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:24.120 the last twenty four hours that I thought were worth mentioning. 0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:27.200 One is that it looks like the Trump administration is 0:18:27.200 --> 0:18:30.040 aggressively trying to figure out ways to help Andrew Cuomo 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:31.840 get a one on one with on Mam Donnie and 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:34.920 the mayor's race. New York Times broke the story, saying 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:38.640 that they're looking for they're seeing if there's we've seen 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:43.800 already this right. The independent candidate dropped out on Wednesday. Walden, 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:49.320 the Trump administration's looking for possible job opportunities for Carlos Sliwa. 0:18:49.359 --> 0:18:54.680 They Republican nominee the Guardian Angel Guy and for Eric Adams, 0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:56.919 and if they get out, then you get a one 0:18:56.920 --> 0:18:58.400 on one between Cuomo and Mamdanni. 0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:02.880 The question is is that enough for Cuomo? Right? 0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:05.520 He couldn't win on one basically couldn't end up winning 0:19:05.520 --> 0:19:08.160 a one on one because mom Donnie turned it into 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:10.440 a one on one in some ways, right, knowing how 0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:14.480 ranked choice voting worked, by the way it just in aside, 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:17.640 Come on, New York City, why is that ranked choice 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:20.119 voting is only good for the Democratic primary but not 0:19:20.280 --> 0:19:21.560 good for the electorate. 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:21.680 As a whole. 0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:24.600 I actually think that's an unfair way to do it. 0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:27.080 If you're not going to have ranked choice voting for 0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:29.480 the general, then it shouldn't be allowed for the primary 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:33.280 and vice versa. Right, it should you know, either have 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:35.639 one way that you're doing the office or not. This 0:19:35.800 --> 0:19:39.080 idea that it was ranked choice voting for the primary, 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:42.719 but it wasn't. You know, if it had been, then 0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:45.040 you could have had this dynamic five way race that 0:19:45.119 --> 0:19:48.960 might have made it different, and all sorts of interesting 0:19:49.760 --> 0:19:55.560 calculations and different duopolies or partnerships or whatever you want 0:19:55.560 --> 0:20:00.040 to call them could have been formed. But anyway, so 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:05.080 I should. You know, I kind of think the you're 0:20:05.119 --> 0:20:06.320 either doing it one way. 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:07.280 Or you're doing it the other way. 0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:09.119 This idea that it's one way in the primary and 0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:10.680 one way in the general, I think is not fair, 0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:16.240 not fair to the voters whichever it's. It's not fair 0:20:16.320 --> 0:20:18.119 to primary voters that they had to do the rank 0:20:18.200 --> 0:20:19.880 choice voting but they don't get to do it there 0:20:20.119 --> 0:20:23.119 and vice versa. Personally, I'd love to have seen it 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:25.560 all toy thing. But the point I want to make here, 0:20:25.640 --> 0:20:28.159 so if that happens and it looks like there's a 0:20:28.160 --> 0:20:30.119 lot of you know, this is one of those things 0:20:30.119 --> 0:20:32.440 that you know, when it's in the leaking out stage, 0:20:34.520 --> 0:20:36.720 you know, there's a couple of reasons something gets leaked 0:20:36.760 --> 0:20:39.359 like this. One is to kill it, or one is 0:20:39.400 --> 0:20:41.760 to sort of use it as a trial balloon. So 0:20:43.080 --> 0:20:46.000 you know, I don't know the Times reporting, but that's 0:20:46.000 --> 0:20:48.520 one of two reasons why something like this leaks. It's 0:20:48.520 --> 0:20:51.520 a trial balloon to see how see how it works, 0:20:51.680 --> 0:20:53.879 or it's a it's somebody trying to kill it and 0:20:54.240 --> 0:20:56.920 putting the idea out there could do that. But let's 0:20:56.960 --> 0:20:59.040 say it happens. And the reason I say it's because 0:20:59.040 --> 0:21:01.600 it's going to set up an inch interesting off year 0:21:01.800 --> 0:21:04.919 messaging test, because then you're going to have a New 0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:06.959 York City mayor's race that is going to be all 0:21:07.000 --> 0:21:10.240 about Donald Trump, Right, Mam Donnie is going to try 0:21:10.240 --> 0:21:13.600 to tie Cuomo to Trump and say this is Trump's candidate. 0:21:13.600 --> 0:21:17.760 He orchestrated everything to do there, right, So I think 0:21:17.800 --> 0:21:19.600 this is the This is to me the risk here 0:21:19.680 --> 0:21:22.600 Cuomo's making like he's getting what he needs here, which 0:21:22.680 --> 0:21:24.320 is cleared the field, and the only way the field 0:21:24.320 --> 0:21:27.159 could get cleared was with Trump's help. So it's a 0:21:27.240 --> 0:21:30.200 it's a it's an interesting it's an interesting situation that 0:21:30.280 --> 0:21:32.840 he's in. Well, on the other side of the country, 0:21:32.960 --> 0:21:35.800 you're going to have a campaign that's going to be 0:21:35.800 --> 0:21:39.240 a referendum campaign for the gerrymandering right, for the new map. 0:21:39.520 --> 0:21:40.560 Right. Gaven Newsom's gonna be. 0:21:40.520 --> 0:21:42.679 Out there basically to beg the voters to, hey, we 0:21:42.760 --> 0:21:44.880 want to temporarily do this, but we have to get 0:21:44.920 --> 0:21:47.480 your permission to do it because of the Constitutional Amendment 0:21:47.840 --> 0:21:53.199 on civilian redistricting And what do you think the primary 0:21:54.600 --> 0:21:57.440 foil is going to be for the map, right, It's 0:21:57.440 --> 0:21:59.600 going to be Donald Trump. So you're going to have 0:21:59.720 --> 0:22:02.280