1 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: Col Zone Media. A little after six a m. On 2 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: June twenty fifth, two thousand and nine, there was a 3 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: knock at the door. Dennis Mayhan looked outside and saw 4 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,279 Speaker 1: deputies from the Ogle County Sheriff's Office standing on the 5 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: stoop of his parents farmhouse, but he said he wasn't 6 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: coming out unless they had a warrant. A deputy held 7 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 1: up the paperwork copies of arrest warrants and search warrants 8 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: for the property, but Dennis still wouldn't open the door. 9 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: Dennis Mayhan and his twin brother Daniel, were nearly sixty 10 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: years old, and neither man had a criminal record until 11 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: that day. Their elderly parents were asleep in their beds upstairs, 12 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: but agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms 13 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: had briefed the deputies that morning before they all set 14 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: out for the Mayhon farm. Dennis had once told their 15 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: confidential informant quote, as long as I have my gun 16 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 1: and my ammunition, my final act will be a total, complete, 17 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: violent act against the government. I'm going to be dying 18 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: with the gun in my hands. He was cordial enough 19 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,479 Speaker 1: at the door, but as the sound of his footsteps 20 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: were seated the officers saw the blinds go up in 21 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: an upstairs window. The officers scattered, fearing the brothers had 22 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 1: chosen to open fire instead of opening the door, but 23 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:33,680 Speaker 1: nothing happened. For half an hour. They tried making contact 24 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 1: with the brothers, but Dennis and Daniel didn't answer the phone. 25 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,839 Speaker 1: They were busy making phone calls of their own. Most 26 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: of their friends failed to answer the phone so early 27 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: in the morning, but Dennis left a voicemail for Becca Stevens, 28 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: or at least the woman he thought was Becca Stephens. 29 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: He would soon find out that his friend Becca was 30 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: an ATF informant whose real name was Rebecca Williams, and 31 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: he would later claim that he'd long suspected that she 32 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: wasn't who she said she was. But at dawn on 33 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: the day of his arrest, he called a woman he'd 34 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 1: been in love with for years and told her he 35 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: was considering going down shooting, but he didn't. At six 36 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: forty five a m A deputy tried Dennis's cell phone again, 37 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: this time from a number he wouldn't recognize. He picked 38 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: up and agreed to surrender. Officers entered the house and 39 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: arrested both brothers. They were just sitting calmly feet away 40 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: from a loaded AK forty seven lying on the table. 41 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: For the next two hours, the brothers sat in a 42 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 1: van on their parents' front yard as ATF agent searched 43 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: the house. They didn't know it yet, but ATF agents 44 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: were searching the homes of their longtime friends Tom Metzker 45 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 1: in Indiana and Robert Joes in Missouri. Sitting side by side, 46 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 1: hands cuffed in their laps in a minivan, the twins 47 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: discussed their situation. Dennis seemed to regret his choice, saying 48 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: they should have had a shootout. Daniel seemed less ready 49 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: to die, asking his brother what good it would have 50 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: done to take out those agents. They were offered snacks 51 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: and drinks, and the air conditioning was on. They took 52 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: a few bathroom breaks, but mostly they sat and talked 53 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: to each other as the agent searched the house. They 54 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: speculated about what the agents might find him there, illegal 55 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: armor piercing rounds, ornography, white supremacist literature, guns, and bomb 56 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: making supplies. They worried about their mother, over whom they 57 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: had recently been appointed legal guardians due to her advancing 58 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: Alzheimer's disease, and they agreed that they'd stay silent. When 59 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: Denis climbed out of the van to stretch his legs, 60 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: around nine thirty, there was a man in a suit 61 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 1: standing in his parents' front yard. He looked the man 62 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:58,119 Speaker 1: up and down and said, you know, I think I've 63 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: seen you before, and atf Agent Tristan Morland, the man 64 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: Dennis had known up until that moment as a neo 65 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: Nazi named Jimmy the Wolf, answered, yes you have. I'm 66 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 1: Molly Conger. And this is weird little guys. This is 67 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: the last chapter of Dennis Mayhon's life. It has to be. 68 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: It ends with a seventy four year old man who 69 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: isn't scheduled to get out of federal prison until he's 70 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: ninety three. He will almost certainly die there. And I 71 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 1: really didn't intend for this to become a five part series. 72 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 1: That's too many parts. Even with the cuts and compromises 73 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 1: I've made, there's still so much left to say about 74 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: the life this man led. But we can't let this 75 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 1: become the Dennis Mayhon Show. There are too many weird 76 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 1: little guys whose stories I've promised to tell you for 77 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 1: us to spend any more weeks on Dennis. But one 78 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: thing we keep discovering together on this show is that 79 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 1: no Weird Little Guy is an island. Their lives intersect 80 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: and intertwine and overlap. They share hate group affiliations, They 81 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: date the same women, their suspects, and the same crimes. 82 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: They attend the same cross burnings, and subscribe to each 83 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: other's racist newsletters. I found a photo this week of 84 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 1: Dennis Mayhon's White Berets at a clan rally in Tennessee 85 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety three, where the headline speaker was Past 86 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 1: Weird Little Guy's subject Berry Black. The influence their hate 87 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: and violence has on the world can be devastating, but 88 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 1: their worlds are actually pretty small, and through the lens 89 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 1: of Dennis's life, we've traveled through several decades of hate, 90 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 1: meeting side characters like the Tulsa Midtown boot Boys, a 91 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: neo Nazi skinhead band in Oklahoma that was linked to 92 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: years of racist violence. We followed Dennis to Germany, where 93 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: he stoked the flames of anti immigrant violence amidst a 94 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: resurgence of the Ku Klux Klan. We met Carol Howe, 95 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: the first ATF informant that Dennis fell in love with, 96 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: and we followed Carol and Dennis to Alohem City, a 97 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 1: white separatist compound with blurry connections to bombings and bank robberies. 98 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: A lot of the bit players in Dennis's story will 99 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: be back because they have whole stories of their own, too, 100 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 1: like Daniel Rush, the bassist from the Midtown boot Boys, 101 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: a few years after we left him in the early nineties, 102 00:06:55,600 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 1: after his stint in prison for racially motivated violence, Strated 103 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: a Nazi comic book that William Luther Pierce wrote for children. 104 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: Or Wolfganroga, the German born neo Nazi Dennis was trying 105 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: to visit in Canada when he got deported in nineteen 106 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: ninety three. A few years before he invited Dennis to Toronto, 107 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: he was a key player in a hair brained scheme 108 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: to overthrow the government of Dominika. That plan failed, but 109 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: in a roundabout way, it's why the Nazi message board 110 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: Stormfront exists. The website's founder, Don Black, learned how to 111 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: use a computer during his prison sentence for attempting to 112 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: coo the government of a Caribbean nation. So I think 113 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: maybe you can understand why I've had so much trouble 114 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: getting myself out of this rabbit hole. Admittedly, I often 115 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: find that I am completely at the mercy of my curiosity. 116 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: I have a list of episode topics ten pages long, 117 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: and Dennis wasn't even on it. Back in November, I 118 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: was reading a book written by Kelvin Pierce, the son 119 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: of National Alliance founder William Luther Pierce. I was just 120 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: trying to squeeze in a little research where I could 121 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: for whenever the day comes that I try to tackle 122 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: that story. And I got fixated on the question of money. 123 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: If you can even remember back nearly two months ago. Now, 124 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: this all started with a question of money. William Luther 125 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: Pierce almost certainly paid for his West Virginia compound with 126 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: stolen cash given to him in nineteen eighty four by 127 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: Robert Matthews. But then I wanted to know what happened 128 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:46,199 Speaker 1: to the other four million dollars those Nazis stole out 129 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 1: of the back of a brinkstruck. From there we got 130 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,439 Speaker 1: to the three hundred thousand dollars that ended up in 131 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: the hands of Tom Metzger, the founder of White Arian Resistance. 132 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,679 Speaker 1: Have you ever read the children's book If You Give 133 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 1: a Moose a muffin? I think there's one about a 134 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 1: mouse and a cookie too. But when I was a kid, 135 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: I was a moose and muffin girl. Basically, the moose 136 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: asks for a muffin, but once he gets the muffin, 137 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: he realizes he needs jam to go with it, and 138 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: it's so delicious that when he's done, he wants to 139 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: go to the store to get more muffin ingredients, but 140 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,079 Speaker 1: it's cold outside, so he needs to put on a 141 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: sweater to go to the store. But when he puts 142 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 1: on the sweater, he loses the button and he wants 143 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: to mend it, and before you know it, that one 144 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: little muffin has turned into an afternoon long ordeal that 145 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: has nothing at all to do with muffins. And that's 146 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: kind of where I am right now, except there's no 147 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: BlackBerry jam and there's a lot more hate crimes. Because 148 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: while I was digging around into what Tom Metzker's immediate 149 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: next move was after getting that mountain of cash, it 150 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 1: was his nineteen eighties public access TV show, And that's 151 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: where I first found Dennis. When we first encountered him, 152 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 1: he was a side character in someone else's story. He 153 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 1: was just one of many men around the country who 154 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: were trying to air copies of Tom Metzger's show on 155 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 1: their own local TV channels. I made a passing reference 156 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: to his story ending with a bomb and a prison sentence, 157 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: but I didn't realize i'd find all of this in between. 158 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,439 Speaker 1: I figured it would be a quick one and done 159 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: follow up on the story of that bomb. It was 160 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:32,199 Speaker 1: a pretty well publicized case, and maybe I wouldn't even 161 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 1: have to read any books or spend a lot of 162 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 1: money on court documents to get a good story out 163 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: of it. I have never been more wrong in my life. 164 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 1: So after nearly two months on this story, let's finally 165 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: get to the only bomb anybody ever proved Dennis Mayhon made. 166 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: In two thousand and four, a package bomb exploded in 167 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:01,959 Speaker 1: the hands of Don Logan, director of Scottsdale, Arizona's Office 168 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: of Diversity and Dialogue. He and two other city employees 169 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 1: were injured. The Mayhon brothers were arrested in two thousand 170 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: and nine and went to trial in twenty twelve. The 171 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: jury found Dennis guilty, but acquitted his twin brother, Daniel. 172 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: I'm telling you the ending here at the beginning, because 173 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 1: this isn't an episode of Law and Order as easy 174 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 1: as it would be to tell you a straightforward story 175 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: of a trial, which is what I set out to 176 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:36,079 Speaker 1: do two months ago. I drove myself to the brink 177 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: of madness instead, because those facts alone, that timeline raises 178 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: a really big question. What took so long? You might think. 179 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: The answer is, will investigations take time? Maybe they didn't 180 00:11:54,559 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: know it was him, but they did almost immediately a 181 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: few months before the bombing, Dennis Mayhon was unhappy to 182 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: see that the city of Scottsdale was celebrating Hispanic Heritage Month, 183 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: so he called the Office of Diversity and Dialog to 184 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: share his feelings with them. He called from his own phone, 185 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: and he introduced himself as Denis Mayhon of the White 186 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: Arian Resistance of Arizona. He left a rambling, racial slur 187 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: laden voicemail that ended kind of ominously quote, anyway, we've 188 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: got lots of support. The White Arian resistance is growing 189 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: in Scottsdale. There are a few white people who are 190 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: standing up. So Dennis Mayhon was on investigator's radar pretty quickly, 191 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,679 Speaker 1: and his name was already very familiar to agents from 192 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: the ATF. They'd had their eye on Dennis for nearly 193 00:12:55,320 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 1: twenty years, but it still took another year before they 194 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: began their undercover investigation into the Mayhun brothers. So at 195 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: this point you might be thinking, Okay, they've got their suspect, 196 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,839 Speaker 1: they've got an undercover operation, but they're going to want 197 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: to get him dead to rights. And maybe it took 198 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: a long time for the informant to get him to 199 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: confess on tape another reasonable assumption, but you'd be wrong again. 200 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: In January of two thousand and five, nearly a year 201 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: after the bombing, the Mayhun brothers were living in a 202 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: trailer park in Catoosa, Oklahoma. The ATF arranged for their informant, 203 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: Rebecca Williams, to move in a few trailers down and 204 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: try to befriend them. Within hours of this beautiful blonde 205 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 1: new neighbor's arrival on a Wednesday afternoon, the brothers were 206 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: drinking in her trailer with ATF agents listening in. In 207 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: their very first meeting, Dennis boasted about his long history 208 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:59,719 Speaker 1: of bombings. Mid drinks, he ran back to his own 209 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,679 Speaker 1: trainlor to get his photo album because he was eager 210 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: to show his new friend Rebecca pictures of him in 211 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: his clan robes. By the time the weekend rolled around. 212 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: They were all drunk on Ever Clear, and the brothers 213 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: were regaling her with stories of bombings and drive by shootings. Daniel, 214 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: the quieter brother, explained that when he blew up people's cars, 215 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: it wasn't out of anger, it was a sense of duty. 216 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: Barely a week into their budding friendship, Rebecca told Dennis 217 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: a made up story about a child molester. She said 218 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: there was a man she knew who was molesting a 219 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: young relative of hers, and she wanted to hurt him. 220 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: She was thinking of using a mail bomb. Dennis responded 221 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: by describing what kind of bomb a person might make 222 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: in such a scenario, and the bomb he described was 223 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: identical to the one that had blown up in Scottsdale. 224 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: In a conversation that took place inside her train, Tayler 225 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: captured on audio and video recording live streamed to agents 226 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: from the ATF, he said that he had successfully made 227 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: such a bomb and that it blew the fingers off 228 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: the diversity officer in Scottsdale, Arizona. Now he's probably drunk. 229 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: He usually is, and he says things he shouldn't say 230 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: when he's drunk, and he backtracks pretty quickly, saying, actually, 231 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: he didn't build that bomb. It was the Scottsdale Police 232 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: Department who did that, but he'd taught them how to 233 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: do it. He would maintain for years that it was 234 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: in fact, disgruntled white police officers in Scottsdale who built 235 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: the bomb. The ATF did investigate those leads. Several employees 236 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: of the Scottsdale Police Department where polygraphed, their phones were tapped. 237 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: They were investigated and cleared, But that was the story 238 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: Dennis stuck with for a long time. But still here 239 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: he is on tape, just days into this undercover operation, 240 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: linking himself to that bomb. Within weeks, Dennis was taking 241 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: Rebecca to the gun show to buy the parts he'd 242 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: need to teach her how to build a bomb. Over 243 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: and over and over again for years, Dennis Mahon makes 244 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: incriminating statements on tape to a federal informant. He admits 245 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: to having machine guns and illegal silencers. He teaches her 246 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: how to make a letter bomb that will only injure 247 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: and not kill its recipient. They discuss the Scottsdale bomb often. 248 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: After she moves to Arizona, he asks her to mail 249 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: him news clippings about the ongoing investigation. A year into 250 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: their friendship, she sent him a news story where Don Logan, 251 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: the victim of that bombing, was interviewed. Afterwards, he called 252 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: her to talk about it, and he's clearly in a 253 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 1: rage to see that his victim is still carrying on 254 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: the work of the diversity office. He called Logan a 255 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 1: quote very arrogant bastard who just might get what's coming 256 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 1: to him again. And he said, quote, I just wanted 257 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: to teach the motherfucker a lesson the first time, and 258 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: there will be no lesson to learn a second time. 259 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: And it was still another three years after that phone 260 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: call before cops showed up on his front porch. What 261 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:40,360 Speaker 1: could they possibly have been waiting for. They had enough 262 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 1: evidence to arrest him on a wide variety of federal charges, 263 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 1: and they clearly planned to because they kept pouring resources 264 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 1: into the investigation, but they waited four years. I think 265 00:17:56,760 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 1: the answer, though, is pretty simple. They had enough evidence 266 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: to arrest Dennis, but they didn't just want Dennis. In 267 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 1: last week's story, we flirted a little bit with conspiracy theory. 268 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 1: Carol Howe provided information to the ATF in nineteen ninety 269 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: four that Dennis mayhon was talking about blowing up a 270 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: federal building. A few months later, someone else actually did 271 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: blow up that federal building, but there was never anything 272 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 1: substantial that actually connected Dennis to the Oklahoma City bombing. 273 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: There are a lot of unanswered questions, some of which 274 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 1: are aggravated by Dennis's own habit of getting drunk and 275 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 1: bragging about having been involved. But as far as the 276 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 1: official record goes, the only connection between Dennis Mayhon and 277 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:57,439 Speaker 1: Timothy mcveay is that they possibly once met at a 278 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: gun show. This week, though we aren't talking about a 279 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: conspiracy theory, we're talking about conspiracy in the legal sense. 280 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: In twenty twelve, a federal jury found Dennis Mayhon guilty 281 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 1: of three things, distribution of information about explosives, malicious damage 282 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: of a building by means of explosives, and conspiracy to 283 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 1: damage buildings in property by means of explosives. That's a 284 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,880 Speaker 1: lot of words to say he talked about making a bomb, 285 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: planned to build a bomb, and set off a bomb. 286 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 1: But the conspiracy charge is what I want to talk about. 287 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: A criminal conspiracy is just an agreement between two or 288 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: more people to do something illegal. The conspirators discuss an 289 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 1: illegal act, they intend to commit this illegal act, and 290 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: at least one of them takes some kind of step 291 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: to carry the plan out. It's a little bit more 292 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:04,159 Speaker 1: complicated than that, but this isn't a criminal law class, 293 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: so let's not get bogged down. The thing to understand 294 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:12,120 Speaker 1: here is that a conspiracy requires more than one person. 295 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 1: In this case, the government did indict Dennis's twin brother Daniel, 296 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: on a single count of conspiracy, but the jury found 297 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: him not guilty. Two people is enough for a conspiracy, 298 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: and these were the only two people who got charged 299 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 1: in this one. But the ATF's theory of the case 300 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: involved a much wider cast of characters, people all over 301 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:44,439 Speaker 1: the country. Halfway through this investigation, Agent Morland filed an 302 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 1: application for a wire tap. In it, he reveals who 303 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: he thinks might be involved. An heir to a banking 304 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: fortune who is locked in a legal battle over his 305 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: family's charitable foundation. A pair of Nazi brothers who did 306 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: time in the eighties for a fouridi plot to blow 307 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:04,919 Speaker 1: up an elementary school in Ohio. A Christian identity preacher 308 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 1: hiding machine guns and precious metals in caves on his 309 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 1: compound in the Ozarks, an infamous white nationalist leader and 310 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: a wealthy farmer from Illinois who once got us teeth 311 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: knocked out by Heraldo Rivera at a clan rally. We 312 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 1: should start with the bomb. At the end of last 313 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 1: week's episode, Dennis was at Arionfest and Phoenix, Arizona. It 314 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:47,360 Speaker 1: was the end of January two thousand and four. Dennis 315 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 1: was fifty three years old and claimed to be retired 316 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: from the movement. He spent the weekend listening to white 317 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 1: power bands and speeches from movement leaders like his friend 318 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: Tom Metzger, Arian Nation's leader, Richard Butler, and Billy Roper, 319 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 1: and he got really, really drunk. A reporter from the 320 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: Phoenix New Times overheard him bragging to some young neo 321 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 1: Nazis about having been involved with Timothy McVeigh. When the 322 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: article came out a few weeks later, Dennis left the 323 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: reporter several very trunk voicemails trying to explain to her 324 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 1: that he had actually been cleared in the investigation into 325 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 1: the Oklahoma City bombing, and he wanted her to make 326 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 1: that clear in the article. Tom Metzker, whose speech at 327 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: arian Fest included what you might interpret as incitement to 328 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 1: carry out bombings, also responded to the article, emailing the 329 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 1: reporter quote amusing article. If only you knew, but you will. 330 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: Years later, a man named Alan was arrested for defrauding 331 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:02,919 Speaker 1: buyers on eBay. Alan Ellen wasn't at Arianfest. He's not 332 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: involved in any of this. I think he's just a 333 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,919 Speaker 1: normal guy who did a pretty staggering amount of wire fraud. 334 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: But in two thousand and nine he was being held 335 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in Chicago. Dennis Mahon was 336 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,919 Speaker 1: there too. He'd just been arrested and he was awaiting 337 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: extradition to Arizona to be tried for the bombing, and 338 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: for a week in July two thousand and nine, Dennis 339 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 1: and Allen shared a sell. During their time together, Alan 340 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,959 Speaker 1: asked Dennis what he was in for, and Dennis refused 341 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: to say. This prompted Alan to speculate that if you 342 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 1: won't say, it must be pedophilia, and that apparently made 343 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 1: Dennis angry enough to tell the truth. He said he 344 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: was in for making bombs, specifically that he was the 345 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: Scottsdale bomber. I think it's fair to say that you 346 00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,919 Speaker 1: always have to take the story of a jailhouse informant 347 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 1: with a grain of salt. Allan was definitely hoping to 348 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: exchange this information for some consideration in his own case, 349 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 1: and ultimately he did. But from the time he claims 350 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,640 Speaker 1: he had these conversations with Dennis, until he was interviewed 351 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: by federal agents about it, he was in seg He 352 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: wasn't involved in the movement, He had no connection to Scottsdale, Arizona. 353 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 1: I can't promise you that everything he said is true, 354 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: but I do think it's very safe to say that 355 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 1: everything he told those agents really was something Dennis told him, 356 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: because there's just no other way he could have produced 357 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 1: any of these details. Some of the things Dennis told 358 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:49,639 Speaker 1: Alan are not true, but they are consistent with the 359 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: kinds of lies Dennis is known to tell. He boasted 360 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: about his friendship with Timothy McVeigh and even hinted that 361 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: he had been one of the John Does that witnesses 362 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,399 Speaker 1: saw with McVeigh on the morning of the bombing. He 363 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 1: claimed to have opened fire on civilians during the Miami 364 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: riots in nineteen eighty and we've talked about both of 365 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 1: those claims in previous episodes. These are lies that have 366 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: come up before, and I don't think either of those 367 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 1: things are true, but there are things that Dennis sometimes 368 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 1: wants you to think are true. He also told Alan 369 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: that he'd been on the phone with Tom Metzger on 370 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: the morning he was arrested, and that it had been 371 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 1: Tom Metzger who convinced him to surrender, telling him he 372 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 1: didn't need to go down shooting, that he'd get him 373 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 1: out of this, and that may be true. Metzger certainly 374 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,439 Speaker 1: would not have wanted to end up charged in connection 375 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: with the deaths of a bunch of federal agents. The 376 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:51,719 Speaker 1: other revelations from Alan are intriguing. By his account, Dennis 377 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 1: decided to build that bomb in February of two thousand 378 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: and four because he'd recently met a man that he 379 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: wanted to impress. Alan couldn't remember anyone's names, but he 380 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 1: says shortly before the bombing, Dennis met a man from 381 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 1: Europe who had recently been released from a prison in 382 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:15,239 Speaker 1: the UK for blowing up a building. It struck me 383 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: as completely extraneous at first, but this next detail is 384 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 1: the most important one. He mentions that the man was Protestant. 385 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: This is all very vague. This sounds like it could 386 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 1: be nothing, but hear me out because I'm going to 387 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:36,880 Speaker 1: do a little wild speculation based in half a day 388 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: of wasted research. Let's go back to arian Fest two 389 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: thousand and four for a second. It takes a lot 390 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: of work to pull off a Nazi picnic, so there 391 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: were several groups involved in planning the event. It was 392 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: organized mainly by a group called Folksfront, but that's not 393 00:26:55,560 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: important right now. A lot of the on the ground logistics, camping, food, 394 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:09,679 Speaker 1: communication were handled by women. Obviously, specifically, it was a 395 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: group called Women for Aaryan Unity. The group's newsletter indicates 396 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: that they had active chapters in several US cities and 397 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 1: in Dublin. But I didn't need their newsletter to tell 398 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:27,199 Speaker 1: me that the Women for Aaryan Unity probably know some 399 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 1: Ulster loyalists. Victoria Cayhill was living in Colorado by the 400 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: time she was responsible for the Women for Arian Unity's newsletter, 401 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,639 Speaker 1: but she is from Dublin. She's also the niece of 402 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:46,400 Speaker 1: an infamous Irish crime boss named Martin Kyhill. When Martin 403 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 1: kay Hill was murdered in nineteen ninety four, the IRA 404 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:53,880 Speaker 1: issued a press release claiming responsibility. Was believed that Khill's 405 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: criminal organization had been trafficking guns for the Ulster Volunteer Force, 406 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: specifically for the the unit that had recently murdered an 407 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 1: IRA member who prevented a loyalist bombing attack at a 408 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: Dublin pub. So no, it's not hard to believe somewhat 409 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,360 Speaker 1: an ary infest would invite an ulsterman to the party. 410 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 1: In the few digital scraps remaining of the defunct online 411 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,719 Speaker 1: message boards set up for Aryan Fest two thousand and four, attendees, 412 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 1: several organizers from Women for Aryan Unity make reference to 413 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: their Irish guests, but I haven't been able to put 414 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 1: any names to it. There are honestly quite a few 415 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 1: possibilities here because after the Good Friday Agreement was signed 416 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety eight, over four hundred prisoners from both 417 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 1: sides of the troubles were released early from prison, and 418 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: the last batch of those releases took place in two 419 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 1: thousand and Alan told the agents from the ATF that 420 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: Dennis built that bomb because he wanted to impress a 421 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: Protestant from the UK who went to prison from blowing 422 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 1: up a building, and that will be a very strange 423 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 1: thing for a man who didn't know any of that 424 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: to pull out of thin air. He also claimed Dennis 425 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: told him after the bombing, Tom Metzger had arranged for 426 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: the brothers to stay with a man named Harrington in Tulsa. 427 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 1: This one took me a minute to sort out, because 428 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 1: the ATF report spells Harrington with an A, not an E. 429 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: But I believe this has to be Clifford Harrington, the 430 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: founder and former chairman of the National Socialist Movement. He 431 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 1: had stepped down as chairman a few years earlier and 432 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 1: was living in Tulsa at the time. Alan's memory is 433 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 1: fuzzy here, but he said something about how maybe this 434 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 1: Harrington fellow also needed Dennis's help because of his own 435 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,959 Speaker 1: trouble with the law, And that doesn't make much sense. 436 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: How can two men hide each other from the law. 437 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: But I think I can explain this. I think Al 438 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 1: is blending together two different similar stories because there are 439 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: rumors in the weirder corners of the white nationalist world 440 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 1: that cliff Harrington crashed at Denis's house for a while 441 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 1: in the mid nineties after he got caught with an 442 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: underage girl in Minnesota. So maybe Harrington was just repaying 443 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: the favor ten years later by letting Dennis stay at 444 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: his house after the bombing. Harrington's wife, Andrea, has denied 445 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: any of this ever happened, but she was also a 446 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: priestess with the Nazi cult Joy of Satan Ministries, and 447 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 1: she spent many years denying a lot of allegations after 448 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 1: it came out that the Nazi's wife was running a 449 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: Satanic cult out of the same po box he used 450 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 1: for National Socialist Movement business. She died in twenty twenty 451 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 1: after falling and hitting her head, so we can't ask 452 00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 1: her about any of that. During that week in two 453 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 1: thousand and nine that Dennis and Allan share a sell, 454 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: Dennis talked a lot. He talked a lot about a 455 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 1: lot of people he knew and a lot of things 456 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: that he'd done. He talked about his friend Steve Waddell, 457 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 1: a man who'd lived down the street from the Mayhon 458 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 1: Brothers in Tulsa in the nineties, and he told Alan 459 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 1: that he's worried his friend John McLaughlin might be a 460 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: federal informant. Talked a lot about Tom Metzger. He was 461 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 1: so sure that Metzger was already hard at work organizing 462 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 1: a big, expensive legal defense team for him. After all, 463 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 1: he'd promised on the morning of the arrest, We'll get 464 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: you out of this. But that never happened. Like I said, 465 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 1: Maybe nothing Dennis told Allan in that jail cell in Chicago, 466 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 1: five years after the bombing means anything at all, but 467 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 1: whether he felt moved to impress an aging monarchist from 468 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: Ireland or not. It was just two weeks after airing 469 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 1: Infest two thousand and four that he really recommitted himself 470 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 1: to violence. On February thirteenth, two thousand and four, Dennis 471 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 1: Mahon wrote out his last will and testament. He planned 472 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 1: to leave five thousand dollars to Tom Metzger and everything 473 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: else would go to his twin brother Daniel. The document 474 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 1: was signed by Daniel as his witness, and it reads, 475 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 1: in part, I request to be buried next to Robert J. 476 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: Matthews ashes on his widow Matthew's property in Medeline Falls, Washington. 477 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 1: I have fought the evil, greedy race and culture destroying politicians, 478 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 1: the corporate leaders, the bankers, and the powerful Jews since 479 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 1: I was twenty eight years old, after studying the real 480 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 1: history of our race. At the bottom, he signs off 481 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: by writing in memory of Robert Matthews, and Tim mcphay 482 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 1: just above his own signature. He sent the document to 483 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: his fow in Illinois by certified mail. Postal Service records 484 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: indicate he mailed it on February twenty first, the same 485 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: day the bomb was discovered. Now, I've never built a bomb, obviously, 486 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 1: I don't even know how to change a car battery. 487 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: I certainly wouldn't trust myself with a soldering iron and 488 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: black powder. But I've read enough about bombers to know 489 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 1: that it's not uncommon for a bomber to blow himself 490 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 1: up by accident. So maybe if I were tinkering with 491 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 1: a bomb, I would get my will sorted out beforehand, 492 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 1: just in case. But that's not actually the timeline we 493 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: have here. He wasn't concerned he would die trying to 494 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 1: make the bomb. He assumed the cops would link him 495 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 1: to the bomb immediately after the explosion, and he was 496 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 1: getting his affairs in order because he planned to die 497 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 1: in a shootout with the ATF in the very near future. 498 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: He even asked to be laid to rest alongside Robert Matthews, 499 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 1: the Nazi who died in a shootout with the FBI 500 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty four. On February twenty First, he mails 501 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: his will, and he made a lot of phone calls. 502 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 1: No one can save for certain exactly how the bomb 503 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,719 Speaker 1: ended up in the Scottsdale Public Library, but the most 504 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 1: logical answer is that Dennis put it there himself. He'd 505 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,839 Speaker 1: said several times over the years to both informants and 506 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: reporters that it was his practice to hand deliver his 507 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:38,800 Speaker 1: package bombs in disguise. The package was located at about 508 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 1: ten thirty am, and Dennis's phone records show that he 509 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 1: was on the phone most of that day, starting at 510 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 1: six am, but he didn't make any calls between nine 511 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 1: thirty am and eleven thirty am, which is the perfect 512 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 1: window of time for him to make the thirty minute 513 00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,360 Speaker 1: round trip drive to Scottsdale's Civic Center and leave the 514 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 1: package on the desk in the library where it was found. 515 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 1: And who did Dennis Mayhon call on the morning he 516 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:25,760 Speaker 1: planted that bomb? Quite a few people, as it turns out, 517 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,720 Speaker 1: the day the bomb was planted, Dennis Mayhon got up early. 518 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 1: He placed his first call of the day at six 519 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:41,280 Speaker 1: am to Robert Joe's. Joe's is a curious character, and 520 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 1: we may have to revisit him. He still lives on 521 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 1: his three hundred acre compound in Missouri. Over the course 522 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 1: of the investigation into the bombing, Dennis told the ATF 523 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:56,759 Speaker 1: informant Rebecca a lot about his friend Robert Jo's. They'd 524 00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,799 Speaker 1: known each other for quite a long time. When Joe's 525 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,360 Speaker 1: went to prison in the mid nineties, the Mayhon Brothers 526 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,719 Speaker 1: maintained his property for him. He's a bit of a 527 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:10,440 Speaker 1: sovereign citizen type. In the late eighties, he was charged 528 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,800 Speaker 1: with interfering with the courts because he wouldn't stop filing 529 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:18,279 Speaker 1: nonsense motions in cases he wasn't involved in, but the 530 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,480 Speaker 1: cops couldn't manage to get their hands on him. In 531 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,959 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four, he was finally detained by a state 532 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,960 Speaker 1: trooper during a traffic stop and held on that old warrant. 533 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,920 Speaker 1: Shortly after his arrest, a man who'd been living on 534 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 1: Jose's compound took revenge on that trooper, shooting him in 535 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 1: the chest while he was sitting at his own kitchen table. 536 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:42,360 Speaker 1: The trooper survived, but the shooter, a man named Timothy Coombs, 537 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 1: remains on Missouri's Most wantedless to this day as a 538 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 1: convicted felon. Robert jos is not supposed to have any 539 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:55,360 Speaker 1: guns at all, but according to Dennis, the caves the 540 00:36:55,440 --> 00:37:01,840 Speaker 1: landscape of his compound are full of stockpiled weapons. Those caves, 541 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:03,959 Speaker 1: he told Rebecca, were where he and his brother would 542 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 1: go if they really started to feel any heat from 543 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:11,040 Speaker 1: the FEDS. During the investigation into the Scottsdale bombing, the 544 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:15,400 Speaker 1: informant visited Joe's on his Missouri compound three times, twice 545 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,640 Speaker 1: in the company of an undercover agent, with the Mayhun 546 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,919 Speaker 1: brothers vouching for Rebecca and Rebecca vouching for her friend 547 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,360 Speaker 1: Jimmy the Wolf. Jo's welcomed the informant and the agent 548 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:30,560 Speaker 1: onto his property. They discussed bomb making and purchasing illegal weapons. 549 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,239 Speaker 1: Over the course of those three visits, Joe's got very 550 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:39,360 Speaker 1: comfortable discussing bomb making and illegal guns with his new friends. 551 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:45,080 Speaker 1: Agent Morland, posing as Jimmy the Wolf, had a fairly 552 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:49,200 Speaker 1: explicit conversation with Jo's about the fact that he understood 553 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,600 Speaker 1: that he was not legally allowed to own any guns, 554 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:55,360 Speaker 1: and that he did in fact own guns guns that 555 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,880 Speaker 1: were in the room with them as they had this conversation. 556 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,560 Speaker 1: While the ATF was never able to scrape together enough 557 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,440 Speaker 1: proof to charge Joe's as a co conspirator in the bombing. 558 00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,760 Speaker 1: He was arrested the same day as the Mayhon twins 559 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 1: and charged with being a felon in possession of guns 560 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 1: and explosives, both of which were found in abundance on 561 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:19,319 Speaker 1: his property. In his own criminal case, he tried to 562 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 1: downplay his connection to the Mayhans, claiming that he had 563 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,520 Speaker 1: no real knowledge at all of what the brothers were into. 564 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,080 Speaker 1: Admitted into evidence in his case, though, was a videotape 565 00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:35,680 Speaker 1: the ATF found at Tom Metzger's house. In nineteen ninety three, 566 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,719 Speaker 1: Dennis Mayhon conducted paramilitary training drills for members of White 567 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:44,240 Speaker 1: Airyan Resistance on Jose's property. By the time the twins 568 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,680 Speaker 1: went to trial in twenty twelve, jos was already two 569 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:52,160 Speaker 1: years into his seven year sentence. I'm not sure what 570 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,920 Speaker 1: I thought I would learn by paying thirty dollars to 571 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,439 Speaker 1: read the transcripts from his trial. I didn't get much 572 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,759 Speaker 1: of substance out of it, but I couldn't live with 573 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,960 Speaker 1: myself if I didn't tell you that He tried to 574 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:10,239 Speaker 1: attend his own trial in his underwear. He claimed that 575 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,680 Speaker 1: his religious beliefs require him to wear clothing that complies 576 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:17,239 Speaker 1: only with God's Law, which means that he can only 577 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,560 Speaker 1: wear clothing that has fringed down the sides and a 578 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:26,040 Speaker 1: violet ribbon around the border. Now me personally, I'd rather 579 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:29,319 Speaker 1: show up in court in my underwear than unpack the 580 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:35,000 Speaker 1: strange appropriation of misinterpreted Jewish law by the world's weirdest 581 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:40,000 Speaker 1: anti semites. In the end, the jail wouldn't let him 582 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,440 Speaker 1: go to court in his underpants, so he showed up 583 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:46,920 Speaker 1: to the first day of his trial in his jail uniform. Apparently, 584 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,040 Speaker 1: by the second day someone had provided him with satisfactorily 585 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:55,240 Speaker 1: fringed garments, but there aren't any pictures. He was released 586 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,920 Speaker 1: from prison in twenty fifteen and seems to have stayed 587 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,640 Speaker 1: out of any criminal trouble since then, But it looks 588 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,200 Speaker 1: like he's being sued by his ninety four year old 589 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:10,040 Speaker 1: mother over the title to that land. Robert Joe's wasn't 590 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,799 Speaker 1: called to testify in the Mayhans trial, and I don't 591 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,319 Speaker 1: know if he's had a chance to read any of 592 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,920 Speaker 1: those documents since he got out of prison in twenty fifteen. 593 00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,480 Speaker 1: He may have no idea that before his arrest in 594 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, Dennis had started to talk pretty 595 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:30,520 Speaker 1: seriously about putting a bullet in Robert Joe's and taking 596 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,960 Speaker 1: the thirty thousand dollars worth of the silver he believed 597 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:37,520 Speaker 1: was hidden in the caves. Back to the morning the 598 00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,880 Speaker 1: bomb was planted in two thousand and four, After he 599 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,040 Speaker 1: got off the phone with Joe's, Dennis spoke briefly with 600 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,680 Speaker 1: his brother, who was finishing an overnight shift at the 601 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:50,239 Speaker 1: Phoenix Airport, and then he made his second phone call 602 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:55,680 Speaker 1: of the morning, and he called Charles Koontz. Kontz is 603 00:40:55,719 --> 00:41:00,920 Speaker 1: an interesting element in this story because outside of this relationship, 604 00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:03,839 Speaker 1: I can't find anything that connects him to the white 605 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:08,960 Speaker 1: power movement. No arrests, no group affiliations, no racist letters 606 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,640 Speaker 1: to the editor of his local paper. Aside from the 607 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,879 Speaker 1: filings in this case, the only other places name really 608 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:22,040 Speaker 1: exists is in the extensive litigation regarding his seat on 609 00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,680 Speaker 1: the board of the Gilbert and Martha Hitchcock Foundation, a 610 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,960 Speaker 1: charitable foundation in Nebraska that was run for decades by 611 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:33,000 Speaker 1: his father, Denman Kones Junior, the great grandson of the 612 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,880 Speaker 1: founder of the first National Bank of Omaha. But it 613 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:41,720 Speaker 1: seems Charles Kuntz had been a quiet but enthusiastic supporter 614 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:46,840 Speaker 1: of white supremacist terror for many years. He sent the 615 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:51,000 Speaker 1: Mayhon brothers money, he visited them occasionally, he called often, 616 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,160 Speaker 1: and he once gave them a car. By the time 617 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,600 Speaker 1: Dennis's conversations were being recorded by a federal informant, though 618 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,800 Speaker 1: they had been enjoying for years, seemed to be drying 619 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,200 Speaker 1: up a little. After his father's death in two thousand 620 00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,640 Speaker 1: and five, Kons lost his seat on the board of 621 00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:13,080 Speaker 1: the Hitchcock Foundation. Factions formed within the family, and they 622 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,600 Speaker 1: all spent years suing each other, which probably took up 623 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:20,160 Speaker 1: a lot of his time and money. Over the years 624 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,359 Speaker 1: between two thousand and five and two thousand and nine, 625 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,960 Speaker 1: Dennis would often tell Rebecca that he was concerned Kons 626 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:30,400 Speaker 1: maybe an informant, which is a little funny because we 627 00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,120 Speaker 1: only know he said that because he was sharing those 628 00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:39,160 Speaker 1: fears with the actual informant. After Coon's visited Dennis one 629 00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,920 Speaker 1: day in two thousand and five, he called Rebecca to 630 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,920 Speaker 1: complain that Coons wouldn't stop asking if they could shoot 631 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,719 Speaker 1: some of Dennis's guns together, and it was very suspicious 632 00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,960 Speaker 1: how insistent he was that he wanted to try shooting 633 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,520 Speaker 1: with a silencer, something that would be a federal crime 634 00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:00,600 Speaker 1: for Denis to own. Later that year, he told Rebecca 635 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,879 Speaker 1: that Koons had been asking him a lot of questions 636 00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,920 Speaker 1: about various bombings he'd carried out in the past. He 637 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:12,080 Speaker 1: was trying to get specific details about which abortion clinic 638 00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,120 Speaker 1: it was that he bombed in the eighties, and he 639 00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:21,840 Speaker 1: really wanted to talk about Scottsdale. And honestly, that sounds 640 00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,799 Speaker 1: like snitch behavior. That's exactly the kind of conversation an 641 00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:30,120 Speaker 1: informant might try to have with you. But the ATF 642 00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,200 Speaker 1: put his name in their wiretap affidavit as a suspect, 643 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:37,640 Speaker 1: so I don't think he was their informant. I guess 644 00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,000 Speaker 1: we have to leave open the possibility that he was 645 00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,960 Speaker 1: informing for another agency, or maybe he was just planning 646 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:48,400 Speaker 1: to do some freelance snitching down the line. More likely, though, 647 00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,440 Speaker 1: I think he just liked living vicariously through the domestic 648 00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:56,720 Speaker 1: terrorists he'd been funding for years. He sent them money, 649 00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:58,640 Speaker 1: and in return, he got to feel like he was 650 00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:03,200 Speaker 1: part of something exciting. By two thousand and seven, he 651 00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,960 Speaker 1: was only sending the Brothers a few hundred dollars every 652 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,880 Speaker 1: couple of months, around the same time that he started 653 00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,440 Speaker 1: talking about killing Robert Jo's and stealing his guns in Silver, 654 00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,480 Speaker 1: Dennis was complaining to Rebecca that Koontz had millions in 655 00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:21,120 Speaker 1: the bank and he was holding out on him. He 656 00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,160 Speaker 1: said he was thinking about asking Kons for one hundred 657 00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:28,080 Speaker 1: thousand dollars so he could do something big, and if 658 00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,840 Speaker 1: Konz refused, maybe he'd take him out to Jos's compound 659 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,160 Speaker 1: and quote cut his balls off with a dull knife. 660 00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,200 Speaker 1: Kontz was never called to testify in the trial, and 661 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,600 Speaker 1: as far as I can tell, he's never spoken publicly 662 00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:46,279 Speaker 1: about any of this. I couldn't even find in the 663 00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:50,320 Speaker 1: documentation for the case any transcripts of intercepted calls between 664 00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:54,080 Speaker 1: Dennis and Coots. They may be there, there are thousands 665 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,960 Speaker 1: of documents, but I didn't see them. So most of 666 00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,640 Speaker 1: what I know about their relationship comes from transcripts of 667 00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:05,040 Speaker 1: calls where Dennis gets off the phone with Coons and 668 00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:10,239 Speaker 1: then calls Rebecca and describes it to her. But based 669 00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,200 Speaker 1: on the information I do have, it seems like in 670 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,439 Speaker 1: the months before Dennis was finally arrested, his long time 671 00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:21,239 Speaker 1: benefactor really did have his best interests at heart, he 672 00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:26,760 Speaker 1: was incredibly suspicious of Rebecca. For the most part, Dennis 673 00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,600 Speaker 1: believed Rebecca when she said she'd moved out to Arizona 674 00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:34,880 Speaker 1: and gotten involved in order militia type activity. The ATF 675 00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,319 Speaker 1: staged a whole photo shoot out in the deserts with 676 00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:41,160 Speaker 1: agents dressed up as right wing extremists posing with guns 677 00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:45,160 Speaker 1: and Nazi flags. She mailed Dennis a photo from that outing. 678 00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,600 Speaker 1: She's sort of leaning up against a blue pickup truck 679 00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,439 Speaker 1: and the edge of a Nazi flag is visible behind her. 680 00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,799 Speaker 1: She's wearing a cameo print bucket hat and a white 681 00:45:54,840 --> 00:46:00,400 Speaker 1: bikini top, and then there nestled between her breasts, there's 682 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:06,799 Speaker 1: a hand grenade. And Dennis apparently really really enjoyed these pictures, 683 00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:11,240 Speaker 1: and that may be why he chose to believe her, 684 00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:15,560 Speaker 1: But Coons just wasn't buying it. Just two months before 685 00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:19,120 Speaker 1: the ATF showed up to arrest Dennis, Coons called him 686 00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,040 Speaker 1: to say that he'd been searching for any news stories 687 00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:25,680 Speaker 1: in Arizona about the kinds of things Rebecca claimed she'd 688 00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,960 Speaker 1: been doing for the movement right. She'd been telling Dennis 689 00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,400 Speaker 1: about various actions she and her cell were carrying out 690 00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:34,919 Speaker 1: and Konz was looking to see if there was any 691 00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,800 Speaker 1: news about any of this, and he couldn't find anything. 692 00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,640 Speaker 1: And Dennis was irate at this implication, and he told 693 00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,200 Speaker 1: Kons that Rebecca had done more for the movement than 694 00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:50,840 Speaker 1: Coon's ever had. And then he reminded Kons that Dennis 695 00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,840 Speaker 1: was someone who knew what he was talking about, shouting, 696 00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,759 Speaker 1: you don't know how many pipe bombs I lit off. 697 00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,359 Speaker 1: You don't know how many transformers I've destroyed and put 698 00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,000 Speaker 1: people out of in the early eighties, from eighty two 699 00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:07,560 Speaker 1: to eighty seven before I got outed. And again here's 700 00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:12,200 Speaker 1: Dennis making some oddly specific claims about things he'd done 701 00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:16,360 Speaker 1: in the past. Last week, I tried and failed to 702 00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,400 Speaker 1: find any news stories about a five hundred pound ammonium 703 00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,240 Speaker 1: nitrate bomb blowing up a truck in Michigan in the eighties, 704 00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,880 Speaker 1: which is a very specific claim that he made to 705 00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:30,040 Speaker 1: Carol Howe. And here he is now talking about carrying 706 00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:34,319 Speaker 1: out a grid attack in the eighties. I wish you'd 707 00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:38,000 Speaker 1: be a little more specific about what region and maybe 708 00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:41,520 Speaker 1: exactly which year, because I feel like I could solve 709 00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,640 Speaker 1: this if he just gave me a few more clues. 710 00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:51,080 Speaker 1: One possibility is in nineteen eighty one, three power substations 711 00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,160 Speaker 1: in Martin and Saint Lucie Counties were attacked in the 712 00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:58,320 Speaker 1: same night using a combination of rifle fire and explosives, 713 00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:04,239 Speaker 1: the method that Dennis would later drunkenly describe to Rebecca. 714 00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,040 Speaker 1: The attacks coused about a million dollars worth of damage, 715 00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:10,080 Speaker 1: but the lights actually only went out for about an hour. 716 00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,960 Speaker 1: I couldn't find any follow up stories about the incident 717 00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:18,000 Speaker 1: being solved, and Dennis did live in South Florida at 718 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:23,560 Speaker 1: the time, so I don't know. In another conversation with Rebecca, 719 00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,920 Speaker 1: he's starting to get very paranoid that his past might 720 00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,320 Speaker 1: catch up with him, and he's sure that the Feds 721 00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:34,240 Speaker 1: are closing in quote for something that happened in nineteen 722 00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:39,360 Speaker 1: eighty six nineteen eighty five. Quite a few things happened 723 00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,480 Speaker 1: in those two years around the country. A lot of 724 00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:43,560 Speaker 1: bombs went off. 725 00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:44,920 Speaker 2: End. 726 00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:49,520 Speaker 1: Quote Yeah, I don't know about that one. I mean 727 00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,799 Speaker 1: some bombs definitely did go off in eighty five and 728 00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:57,960 Speaker 1: eighty six. In nineteen eighty six, there was a series 729 00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,440 Speaker 1: of bombings in Idaho carried out by members of the 730 00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,960 Speaker 1: Arian Nations, but there were a rest made in those cases. 731 00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,719 Speaker 1: Nineteen eighty six is also the year I found for 732 00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,600 Speaker 1: an unsolved pipe bomb at a Jewish community center in 733 00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:15,560 Speaker 1: West Bloomfield, Michigan, a bomb at a Detroit abortion clinic, 734 00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:21,120 Speaker 1: and an arson at a Planned parenthood in Kalamazoo. I 735 00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,960 Speaker 1: don't think any of those were ever solved, but again 736 00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,800 Speaker 1: it's hard to say so. If you know a retired 737 00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:33,120 Speaker 1: ATF agent with loose lips, for the love of God, 738 00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,359 Speaker 1: asked them to just give me a hint, Just give 739 00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:41,160 Speaker 1: me a hint, because I lost days trying to figure 740 00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,520 Speaker 1: out every unsolved bombing in the span of fifteen years, 741 00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,239 Speaker 1: and I just can't figure out which bombs Dennis is 742 00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:50,839 Speaker 1: trying to take credit for in that angry phone call 743 00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:56,520 Speaker 1: with his secret benefactor. But back to Dennis's phone calls 744 00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:02,319 Speaker 1: on the morning he planted this bomb. So far, he's 745 00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:07,319 Speaker 1: called Robert Joes, his brother, and Charles Kon's. He talks 746 00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,600 Speaker 1: to his brother again briefly, and then he received a 747 00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,560 Speaker 1: call from someone using a calling card with an Atlanta 748 00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:18,000 Speaker 1: area code. The call lasted less than a minute. He 749 00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,200 Speaker 1: may not have even picked up, but the same number 750 00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:25,880 Speaker 1: called again two more times five days later, just a 751 00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:29,759 Speaker 1: few hours after the bomb actually went off, and both 752 00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:35,120 Speaker 1: of those calls also lasted just a few seconds. I 753 00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:38,160 Speaker 1: can't explain that, and there's nothing offered in the record. 754 00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,279 Speaker 1: He missed two more calls from his brother while he 755 00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,720 Speaker 1: was on the phone for his longest call. That morning, 756 00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,880 Speaker 1: he spent half an hour on the phone with Edward Gerhardt. 757 00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:53,319 Speaker 1: And this was another surprise. I didn't expect to see 758 00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:57,800 Speaker 1: them here. Edward and his brother John started a short 759 00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:01,319 Speaker 1: lived Nazi group called the American White Nationalist Party in 760 00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:05,719 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy two. In nineteen seventy four, they were sentenced 761 00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,840 Speaker 1: to a short stay at the State Reformatory for shooting 762 00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,879 Speaker 1: out the windows of a state education official and then 763 00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:13,719 Speaker 1: calling to let him know that it had only been 764 00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:18,240 Speaker 1: a warning from the clan. A nineteen seventy six issue 765 00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:22,319 Speaker 1: of the Ohio National Socialist includes a brief mention that 766 00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,960 Speaker 1: Ohio leaders of the National Socialist Movement had met with 767 00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,680 Speaker 1: ed and John Gerhardt of the American White Nationalist Party 768 00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,760 Speaker 1: to discuss how their Nazi groups might present a unified 769 00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:38,480 Speaker 1: front against forced busing in Columbus. One of the representatives 770 00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:42,200 Speaker 1: at that meeting was a young James Mason. Just a 771 00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,640 Speaker 1: few years before he would start writing the essays that 772 00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:50,959 Speaker 1: would eventually become Siege every Nazi terrorist's favorite book. And 773 00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:54,960 Speaker 1: as for that United Front against desegregation in Ohio, the 774 00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,920 Speaker 1: Gerhardt brothers would spend a few years in federal prison 775 00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:02,080 Speaker 1: after they were arrested in nineteen seventy nine for plotting 776 00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:06,440 Speaker 1: to blow up Old Orchard Elementary School in Columbus. The 777 00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:08,920 Speaker 1: eleven year old daughter of the federal judge who'd ordered 778 00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:15,080 Speaker 1: Columbus schools to begin bussing was a student there. John 779 00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,560 Speaker 1: Gerhardt would go on to get arrested again in nineteen 780 00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:21,719 Speaker 1: ninety two for abduction. During the decade he spent in 781 00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:25,520 Speaker 1: Ohio prison, he sued the state prison system for infringing 782 00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:30,200 Speaker 1: on his free exercise of religion. The religion in question 783 00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:35,040 Speaker 1: was the Church of Jesus Christ Christian, which sounds like 784 00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:39,480 Speaker 1: it might be normal Christianity, but it's not. It is 785 00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:43,160 Speaker 1: the particular flavor of Christian identity that was popularized by 786 00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:49,320 Speaker 1: Arian Nation's leader, Richard Butler. I can't find much about 787 00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,799 Speaker 1: what Edward Gerhart got up to after he got out 788 00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:55,400 Speaker 1: of prison in nineteen eighty three. He doesn't seem to 789 00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,839 Speaker 1: exist anywhere that I could find, Although admittedly I ran 790 00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:03,480 Speaker 1: out of time to look. But based on my cursor research, 791 00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,480 Speaker 1: if I didn't know that he'd been on the phone 792 00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,880 Speaker 1: with a bomber on the morning of a bombing in 793 00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:12,600 Speaker 1: two thousand and four, I might have assumed that he 794 00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:16,400 Speaker 1: just didn't think about bombs at all anymore. But given 795 00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,200 Speaker 1: that I do know that he was on the phone 796 00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:21,080 Speaker 1: with Dennis the morning of the bombing, I gotta say 797 00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:24,799 Speaker 1: I don't think they were talking about the weather. And 798 00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:29,000 Speaker 1: just before Dennis Mayhon's phone goes quiet for that two 799 00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:32,400 Speaker 1: hour window, which is probably when he dropped off the bomb, 800 00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:37,200 Speaker 1: he made one last phone call. He called Tom Metzger, 801 00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:43,000 Speaker 1: and they spoke for seven minutes. Dennis must have been 802 00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:47,920 Speaker 1: very confused. Later that day, he didn't see anything in 803 00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:52,400 Speaker 1: the news about a bomb. He planted that bomb on 804 00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:57,240 Speaker 1: February twenty first. Then he went home and he waited. 805 00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,840 Speaker 1: What he didn't know is that he'd delivered it to 806 00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:08,400 Speaker 1: the wrong address. It's not entirely clear how this mistake happened, 807 00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:12,120 Speaker 1: but he wrote down on the box the address of 808 00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:16,759 Speaker 1: the library, not the address of the diversity office, and 809 00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,359 Speaker 1: so when the time came to deliver it, he took 810 00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:23,920 Speaker 1: the box to the address written on the box. It 811 00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:27,040 Speaker 1: took another five days before that package found its way 812 00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:31,280 Speaker 1: into Don Logan's hands, detonating around one pm on February 813 00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:36,160 Speaker 1: twenty sixth, and when the explosion finally hit the national 814 00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:41,280 Speaker 1: news that evening, Charles Koontz started blowing up Dennis's phone. 815 00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:44,200 Speaker 1: He called him several times that evening, right around the 816 00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:47,759 Speaker 1: time it would have hit the five o'clock news, But 817 00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:51,560 Speaker 1: it doesn't look like Denis ever picked up. He was 818 00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:56,960 Speaker 1: too busy calling Tom Metzger repeatedly and having his calls ignored. 819 00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,920 Speaker 1: A lot of the documents related to this wire tap 820 00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:06,200 Speaker 1: are kind of a riddle to me. They raise a 821 00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:10,760 Speaker 1: lot more questions than they answer. When Agent Morland applied 822 00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,120 Speaker 1: for those wire taps, he was exploring a theory of 823 00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:16,840 Speaker 1: this case that included this large cast of co conspirators. 824 00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:21,440 Speaker 1: But by the time the case got to trial, that 825 00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:24,279 Speaker 1: wasn't the theory anymore, that wasn't what was pursued by 826 00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:27,759 Speaker 1: the prosecutor, And so almost none of those names ever 827 00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,840 Speaker 1: come up in any other documents related to the case, 828 00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:35,000 Speaker 1: and no evidence was presented at trial to explain these 829 00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:39,440 Speaker 1: flurries of telephone activity on dates that were significant in 830 00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,680 Speaker 1: the bombing case, the day the bomb was planted, the 831 00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,480 Speaker 1: day the bomb went off, the day the sheriff showed 832 00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:50,040 Speaker 1: up with a warrant for his DNA. Now DNA ended 833 00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:53,800 Speaker 1: up being useless in this case. Dennis was careful. He 834 00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:57,240 Speaker 1: always wore gloves, and he taught Rebecca not to lick stamps. 835 00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:01,600 Speaker 1: But a year before the arrest, a warrant was served 836 00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:06,080 Speaker 1: to swab both brothers for DNA samples, and after that 837 00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:11,000 Speaker 1: sample was taken, Dennis called Tom Metzger and on a 838 00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:15,520 Speaker 1: line he surely did not know was tapped, he said, 839 00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:21,279 Speaker 1: over and over again, I'll never betray you, Tom, I'll 840 00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:26,800 Speaker 1: never betray you. I'll never implicate you. And he doesn't 841 00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:31,640 Speaker 1: say for what. And Tom Metzger doesn't ask, He doesn't 842 00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:34,120 Speaker 1: ask Dennis what he means. He doesn't say implicate me. 843 00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:41,080 Speaker 1: In what he responds, I know you won't. Some of 844 00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:44,640 Speaker 1: the calls to Joe's and Metzger were allowed into evidence 845 00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:48,520 Speaker 1: at trial, but Charles Coons and Edward Gerhardt were nowhere 846 00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:53,000 Speaker 1: to be found. The Wiretop documentation lists even more names 847 00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:57,200 Speaker 1: we never really see again. Dennis received several calls the 848 00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:00,239 Speaker 1: week of the bombing from Tina Higgins, the found of 849 00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:04,360 Speaker 1: a hate group called Central New York White Pride. Agent 850 00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,120 Speaker 1: Morland lists the brother's old neighbor, Steve Waddell, as a 851 00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:11,080 Speaker 1: target of the investigation, along with another name I can't 852 00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:16,480 Speaker 1: quite place, Stephen Sawyer. When Agent Morland spoke to Daniel 853 00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:19,160 Speaker 1: Mahon in the morning of the arrest, he told him 854 00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:22,200 Speaker 1: that agents were at Tom Metzger's house at that very moment, 855 00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,200 Speaker 1: and he warned Daniel that even more of his friends 856 00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:27,200 Speaker 1: would be getting the same treatment in the near future. 857 00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,640 Speaker 1: The transcription of his body camera during this encounter shows 858 00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:34,720 Speaker 1: Moreland telling Daniel that he's just trying to be straight 859 00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:39,480 Speaker 1: with him, telling him, mister Koontz, the Gerhardt brothers, Tina Higgins, 860 00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:41,800 Speaker 1: all them all, this stuff's going on all over the 861 00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:48,560 Speaker 1: country right now, McLaughlin down in Springfield, Sawyer, Waddell. It 862 00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:53,240 Speaker 1: goes on and on, and Daniel laughs and says they'll 863 00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,000 Speaker 1: have to get Sawyer to sober up if they want 864 00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:58,600 Speaker 1: to get anything out of him. As far as I 865 00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:02,200 Speaker 1: can tell, none of those other people got raided that day. 866 00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:08,600 Speaker 1: If they did, they never said anything. John McLaughlin, a 867 00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:11,320 Speaker 1: man who was exchanging calls with Dennis on a weekly 868 00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:15,240 Speaker 1: basis for years during the course of this investigation, was 869 00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:18,160 Speaker 1: never mentioned in connection with the case outside of these 870 00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:22,200 Speaker 1: wiretap documents. Maybe Dennis was onto something when he told 871 00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:25,920 Speaker 1: his cellmate that McLaughlin may have been an informant. He 872 00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:28,400 Speaker 1: died in twenty seventeen, so we can't ask him if 873 00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:32,160 Speaker 1: there's a better explanation for this. But in nineteen ninety five, 874 00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:36,720 Speaker 1: the ATF recovered a cash of illegal weapons that he'd 875 00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:41,280 Speaker 1: been stockpiling for the race War, but he wasn't charged federally. 876 00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:45,080 Speaker 1: The ATF let the state of Illinois handle the case, 877 00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:51,439 Speaker 1: and a county judge gave him community service. Maybe there's 878 00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:56,720 Speaker 1: an explanation, but I don't have it. In nineteen ninety two, 879 00:58:57,080 --> 00:59:00,680 Speaker 1: McLaughlin and HERALDA Rivera were both arrested after they got 880 00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:03,520 Speaker 1: into a fistfight at a clan rally in Janesville, Wisconsin. 881 00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:06,600 Speaker 1: Rivera says the man got in his face and called 882 00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:11,320 Speaker 1: him a racial slur. The charges against Rivera were eventually dropped. 883 00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:15,280 Speaker 1: Witnesses say the bloody teeth left on the pavement after 884 00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:19,360 Speaker 1: three cops pulled the reporter off. The clansmen belonged to McLaughlin. 885 00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,760 Speaker 1: A local TV news reporter interviewed a bystander for his 886 00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:28,160 Speaker 1: perspective on the brawl. He doesn't give his name, but 887 00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:30,439 Speaker 1: he's wearing a bright yellow ball cap with a white 888 00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:34,560 Speaker 1: Arean Resistance logo on it. And at this point, I'd 889 00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:37,760 Speaker 1: know that voice anywhere. It's Dennis. 890 00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:43,120 Speaker 2: Haraldo. Came with the crowd of protesters. What didn't come 891 00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:45,040 Speaker 2: here to get information out of us? And how he 892 00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:47,040 Speaker 2: feel about things? He came with a crowd because you 893 00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:49,960 Speaker 2: weren't violence. When he got violence, I think he's got 894 00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:52,600 Speaker 2: busts and nose or buts and jaw what he deserves, justly. 895 00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:54,360 Speaker 2: What is he ever going to learn? 896 00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:01,040 Speaker 1: The most maddening detail in the application for the wire 897 01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:05,560 Speaker 1: tap is a passing mention that this isn't the first 898 01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:09,480 Speaker 1: time the atf AS wiretap Dennis Mayhon. They'd done it 899 01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:14,680 Speaker 1: once before, back in nineteen ninety. He'd been suspected of 900 01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:17,840 Speaker 1: involvement in a series of mail bombs in nineteen eighty nine. 901 01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:23,360 Speaker 1: One of those bombs killed federal judge Robert Vance in Alabama. 902 01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:27,280 Speaker 1: Another killed Robert Robinson, a black civil rights attorney in Georgia. 903 01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,360 Speaker 1: Bombs mailed to the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals in 904 01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:35,480 Speaker 1: Atlanta and the NAACP office in Jacksonville did not go off, 905 01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:41,160 Speaker 1: And early in that investigation, a wire tap recorded Dennis 906 01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:45,480 Speaker 1: boasting about having made package bombs, and he describes with 907 01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:48,600 Speaker 1: great pride the care he took in disguising them well 908 01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:54,000 Speaker 1: and using inconspicuous mailing labels to avoid suspicion, but he 909 01:00:54,080 --> 01:01:00,800 Speaker 1: never said anything specific enough about the targets. He wasn't charged. 910 01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:05,880 Speaker 1: A man named Walter Moody was eventually convicted of those bombings. 911 01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:08,960 Speaker 1: Moody had been to prison once before for making a 912 01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:12,520 Speaker 1: package bomb. In nineteen seventy two, he constructed a pipe 913 01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:15,680 Speaker 1: bomb that he planned to mail to the car dealership 914 01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:18,960 Speaker 1: that had repossessed his car, but before he could get 915 01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:21,360 Speaker 1: it into the mail, his wife saw a box on 916 01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:25,760 Speaker 1: the kitchen counter and opened him. She was badly injured, 917 01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:30,760 Speaker 1: and he was sentenced to five years. And so it 918 01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:33,880 Speaker 1: looks like the theory of these later bombings, the one 919 01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:37,840 Speaker 1: that killed the federal judge, was that Moody wanted revenge 920 01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:41,160 Speaker 1: on the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals because they'd refused 921 01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:44,080 Speaker 1: to reverse his conviction in that nineteen seventy two bombing. 922 01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:48,680 Speaker 1: The idea is that he actually only wanted to kill 923 01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:52,600 Speaker 1: Judge Vance, and the other three bombings were an elaborate 924 01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:57,600 Speaker 1: ruse to make the bombing look racially motivated. It sounds 925 01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:01,680 Speaker 1: a little far fetched, but stranger things have happened, and 926 01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:07,240 Speaker 1: bombers aren't always the most rational kinds of guys. It 927 01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:13,200 Speaker 1: borders on beyond belief that Denis Mayhon had no criminal 928 01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:17,960 Speaker 1: record until he was arrested in two thousand nine. He'd 929 01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:21,000 Speaker 1: been investigated in connection with the assassination of a federal 930 01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:25,360 Speaker 1: judge and the deadliest act of domestic terror in American history. 931 01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:30,480 Speaker 1: He was cleared in both investigations, but how many times 932 01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:34,040 Speaker 1: can you be a suspect in something so serious if 933 01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:38,280 Speaker 1: there's nothing going on there? He was banned from Canada, 934 01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:43,280 Speaker 1: the United Kingdom, and Germany. He was designated as a 935 01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:48,360 Speaker 1: terrorist by Interpol. He boasted to reporters about being a 936 01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:54,200 Speaker 1: serial bomber, and for decades he published his Nazi propaganda 937 01:02:55,040 --> 01:03:00,760 Speaker 1: and drank himself to sleep. In the end, I think 938 01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:04,760 Speaker 1: the ATF wanted Tom Metzger. They kept tabs on Dennis 939 01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:07,200 Speaker 1: for years in the hopes that they'd turn up something 940 01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:13,000 Speaker 1: concrete that would lead them to Metzger, but they never did. 941 01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:16,440 Speaker 1: It's impossible to know why they finally made the arrest 942 01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:20,160 Speaker 1: when they did. Most federal crimes have a statute of 943 01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:24,440 Speaker 1: limitations of five years, but these explosive related offenses he 944 01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:26,840 Speaker 1: was charged with are actually an exception to that. So 945 01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:29,240 Speaker 1: they still had more than four years left on a 946 01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:33,560 Speaker 1: ten year clock. And it couldn't have been because they'd 947 01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:37,880 Speaker 1: given up on getting Metzger, because they did try. His 948 01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:40,360 Speaker 1: house was rated, too, but they failed to get enough 949 01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:45,320 Speaker 1: evidence to charge him. I think it's because Dennis's mom 950 01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:51,040 Speaker 1: was dying. That sounds terrible, but I don't mean they 951 01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:53,880 Speaker 1: were trying to exploit his grief or something like that, 952 01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:58,920 Speaker 1: because just a few months before his arrest, Dennis was 953 01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:03,280 Speaker 1: very drunk, as he often was. He and his brother 954 01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:05,760 Speaker 1: had just been to court to get legal guardianship over 955 01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:10,120 Speaker 1: their mother. She was dying, and caring for a loved 956 01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:13,240 Speaker 1: one dying of Alzheimer's disease is a terrible thing to bear, 957 01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:17,680 Speaker 1: and so he's very drunk and he calls Rebecca and 958 01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:23,960 Speaker 1: he leaves her a voicemail. It's a rambling, slurred several minutes, 959 01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:27,720 Speaker 1: but he explains that he's busy taking care of his 960 01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:32,680 Speaker 1: mother right now, and it won't be long. He fully 961 01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:37,640 Speaker 1: expects that she'll pass pretty soon, and he says, when 962 01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:42,880 Speaker 1: she's gone, quote, I'll go back to my radical bomb throwing, 963 01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:47,000 Speaker 1: sniper shooting realm. But until mom passes away, I really 964 01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:50,520 Speaker 1: can't do much. But when she does, look out, Zob, 965 01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:54,240 Speaker 1: look out, because I've got nothing to lose, motherfuckers. I 966 01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:58,120 Speaker 1: will shut the country down on electrical power. Yeah, I 967 01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:00,280 Speaker 1: know how to do it. I got the weapon. I 968 01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:02,840 Speaker 1: got the high powered rifles to shoot down the high 969 01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:08,200 Speaker 1: tower power accelerators. And he continues from there, and the 970 01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:12,120 Speaker 1: middle portion is largely unintelligible. There are portions of the 971 01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:16,960 Speaker 1: transcript that are just marked unintelligible. But he picks back 972 01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:24,160 Speaker 1: up by saying, take care, remember, learn, learn, get high 973 01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:27,640 Speaker 1: power weaponry to take out the high power towers, take 974 01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:32,600 Speaker 1: out electrical power. Understand that there's explosives, high powered rifles, 975 01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:35,920 Speaker 1: shoot the insulators. We need to do this when the 976 01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:42,200 Speaker 1: time comes. The time is coming this way. Close Take care, darling. 977 01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:49,240 Speaker 1: Remember the electrical power grid is the Achilles Heel of America. 978 01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:53,280 Speaker 1: Dennis's mother would end up hanging on for another three years, 979 01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:56,520 Speaker 1: passing away just a few weeks after Dennis was sentenced 980 01:05:56,520 --> 01:06:01,120 Speaker 1: in twenty twelve, But in March of two thousand nine, 981 01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:05,360 Speaker 1: it looked like she was on her way out and 982 01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:10,800 Speaker 1: Dennis was getting ready for the race war. And maybe, 983 01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:15,760 Speaker 1: just maybe, this time, when an ATF informant brought them 984 01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:20,800 Speaker 1: credible information that Dennis Mayhon was talking about blowing something up, 985 01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:27,560 Speaker 1: they acted on it. Dennis Mayhon is serving a forty 986 01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:31,480 Speaker 1: year sentence at Tara Hate. He occasionally writes in letters 987 01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:34,720 Speaker 1: to the editor at The Barnes Review, a quarterly Holocaust 988 01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:39,480 Speaker 1: denial magazine founded by Willis Carter. It seems fitting that 989 01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:42,160 Speaker 1: his story ends in the back pages of The Barnes Review. 990 01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:45,280 Speaker 1: One of the earliest mentions I ever found of Dennis 991 01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:48,640 Speaker 1: in white supremacist movement literature was in a nineteen eighty 992 01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:52,200 Speaker 1: one issue of another of Cardo's publications, a newspaper called 993 01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:55,800 Speaker 1: The Spotlight. Dennis and Daniel Mahon were featured in an 994 01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:59,560 Speaker 1: article for their heroic efforts distributing copies of the anti 995 01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:06,000 Speaker 1: Semitic Conspiracy Three newspaper in Florida. From prison. He sometimes 996 01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:08,440 Speaker 1: writes in to boast about all the famous Nazis he 997 01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:11,880 Speaker 1: once knew. He wrote in to tell his fellow readers 998 01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:15,400 Speaker 1: that he used to know Art Jones, he knew Robert Miles, 999 01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:19,480 Speaker 1: he knew Richard Butler. He once claimed that he'd met 1000 01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:23,320 Speaker 1: American Nazi Party leader George Lincoln Rockwell, but I don't 1001 01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:27,120 Speaker 1: think that's true. He was only seventeen when Rockwell was 1002 01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:31,280 Speaker 1: shot by one of his own followers. As far as 1003 01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:36,600 Speaker 1: the official record is concerned, Dennis Mayhon alone was responsible 1004 01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:39,440 Speaker 1: for the package bomb that exploded in the Scottsdale Office 1005 01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:42,520 Speaker 1: and Diversity and Dialogue on February twenty six, two thousand 1006 01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:47,520 Speaker 1: and four. His brother was acquitted. No one else was 1007 01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:52,080 Speaker 1: ever charged in connection with the plot Dennis and Dennis 1008 01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:57,160 Speaker 1: alone is guilty of that bombing, but there are no 1009 01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:14,960 Speaker 1: lone wolves. Really. Weird Little Guys as a production of 1010 01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:18,519 Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media and iHeartRadio. It's research, written and recorded 1011 01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:22,360 Speaker 1: by me Ali Konger. 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