1 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:19,479 Speaker 1: Welcome to jag Vam this morning. Hindani Stevens here with you, 2 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:22,119 Speaker 1: Brian Sexton, John Oser as well as free agency is 3 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 1: behind us now and we're looking forward to the draft, 4 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: a myriad of other things going on in the off season. 5 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: Let's talk all about it. We're gonna bring you our 6 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: big things today. Our big thing Number one is belmo 7 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: fear of missing out. I think a lot of Jaguars 8 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:35,919 Speaker 1: fans were feeling that a little bit during free agency 9 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,319 Speaker 1: because we're used to a lot of people coming to 10 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 1: town and your GM James Gladstone felt that a little 11 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,520 Speaker 1: bit too, but he's not letting it dictate their strategy. 12 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 2: Beemo sets in a little bit. 13 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 3: You know, we're all human. 14 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 2: Well, at the same time, it's not uncharted territory for me, 15 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 2: you know, it's not uncharted territory for Liam. He was 16 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 2: with us at the RAMS, and you know, this was 17 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 2: an approach that we took in full cycles and it's 18 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 2: really one that I know well and feel confident can navigate. 19 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 3: And really be able to use all the. 20 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 2: Different intervals that lie in front of us to continue 21 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 2: to shape what will be the twenty twenty six Jacksonville 22 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 2: Jaguar so it's exciting for my advantage point to know that, 23 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 2: you know, the start of the league year began yesterday, 24 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 2: roughly twenty four hours ago, a little less, and it's nothing. 25 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: More than the start ran We talked a little bit 26 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 1: about this last week when there wasn't a ton of fireworks, 27 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: and I know people are poking fun at them about 28 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 1: the comp picks, but really that what they've tried to 29 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: do is kind of acquire through the draft and through trades. 30 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 4: Listen, as a seasoned observer of this league, John will say, 31 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 4: we're the old guys, right. One thing I learned very 32 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 4: early with this group fourth down in the fourth quarter 33 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 4: in Week two and Cincinnati last year, is that they're 34 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 4: not scared. 35 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 3: They're not scared of anything. 36 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 4: They're not scared of going forward and fourth down, They're 37 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 4: not scared of not going to the combine. They're not 38 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 4: scared of not being involved in free agent. See, there's 39 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 4: always been an urgency in this league about things that 40 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 4: need to be done and done in a certain way 41 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 4: and at a certain time of the year. These guys 42 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 4: are completely asymmetrical to that. They want to do things 43 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 4: their own way, and I John just really appreciate the 44 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 4: calm demeanor with which he goes. 45 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:18,519 Speaker 3: He was talking about the complex. 46 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 4: Right, they're using the compics to look forward into twenty 47 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 4: twenty six, like during the season. They want the ammunition 48 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 4: to be able to go get a player before the tradeline. 49 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 4: They've done it successfully around here, So I really just 50 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 4: like the way that they're doing things differently without any 51 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:37,079 Speaker 4: fear whatsoever. 52 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't subscribe to FOMO because I fear everything 53 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 5: all the time. So look, yes, when James Gladstone said 54 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 5: this about the compics, so people sort of pointed that 55 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 5: out and you know, mocked it if you will. I 56 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 5: don't know that the strategy was as much about hey, 57 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 5: let's go always grab comp pics. I think he was 58 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 5: trying to make the point that this is now cash 59 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 5: that they can use to operate around the league. The 60 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 5: big reason they didn't be more active in freegency, even 61 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 5: signing their own guys. They're trying to get the cap 62 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 5: in order and they're trying to have this thing structured 63 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 5: for the long term. The benefit of that is that 64 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 5: you get compis at any given time. But it's not 65 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 5: like he was trying to say, hey, we're gonna give 66 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 5: up all of our guys and go get picks in 67 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 5: a year. But that plays into when you do things right, 68 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 5: that's an added benefit. 69 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: Let's go to our second big thing today, because there 70 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: was one outside edition that the right fit is our 71 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: second big thing today because Chris Rodriguez, running back who 72 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: started his career in Washington but went to college with 73 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: Liam Cohen, talked a little bit about why he fell 74 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: Jacksonville was the right place for him. 75 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 6: As far as to like, why Jacksonville, I think, you know, 76 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 6: it's it's an opportunity. I feel like it was going 77 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 6: to be the best opportunity for me. You know, I 78 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 6: know Liam and he knows me, and I know the 79 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 6: type of standard he expects, and I feel like we 80 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 6: can get that done. 81 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: Don Liam Cohen was Chris Rodriguez's offenseive coordinator of Kentucky 82 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: for one year, and he said that was partially the 83 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: reason they went out and got him. They feel like 84 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: they know what they're gonna get. What does this fit 85 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: look like for them? 86 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 5: Well, it feels like they got the physical runner that 87 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,919 Speaker 5: they really didn't have in the backfield last year. The 88 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 5: Quinn Allen has a little bit of that, but this 89 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:40,919 Speaker 5: guy's big. If you've seen any of his highlight plays 90 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 5: if you will on YouTube. He puts his head down, 91 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 5: he runs hard. I think what they believe here is 92 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 5: last year in two ton ETN they had big play 93 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 5: ability at the rain back position. They had outside the 94 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 5: tackle stuff, they had speed. What they sometimes didn't have 95 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 5: was a guy on first down getting four yards, getting 96 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 5: five yards, getting bruising yards, and getting them in second 97 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 5: and six and second and five a lot. I think 98 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 5: they feel like he can get them in better down 99 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 5: and distant situations consistently. Consistently. It may not be as 100 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 5: explosive a look, but it might be a more effective look. 101 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 5: Down to down, Ryan, Listen. 102 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 3: He's a guy that runs between the tackles. 103 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 4: I mean, how many times have you watched highlights of 104 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 4: him and see him going right up between the hashmarks. 105 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 4: That's not ETN style. That's not the way we've seen 106 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 4: Basiel Tooton run. This is a different kind of runner, 107 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 4: and much like the wide receiving core where they talked 108 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 4: about having three guys at seven hundred yards or four 109 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 4: guys at five hundred yards, have three different running backs 110 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 4: with three different kinds of styles gives him a lot 111 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 4: of flexibility. John last year he had five games for 112 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 4: the Commanders where he had at least ten carries and 113 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 4: averaged more than five yards per carry. That speaks to 114 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 4: exactly what you're talking about setting up second and short 115 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 4: or third down. In short. He's a big, using runner 116 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 4: and tied say this too. That's what he's been in 117 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,359 Speaker 4: four years. He was on and off the roster in Washington, 118 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 4: on the practice squad, back to the active roster. 119 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 3: What he could be here in. 120 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 4: Jacksonville could be completely different how the Jaguars decide to 121 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 4: use him, And obviously Liam Cohen knows him. 122 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 5: Last year, kai you know, going into last season, all 123 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 5: this team talked about was being tough and physical both 124 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 5: sides of the ball. Trayvon Walker, Brenton Strange. This feels 125 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,840 Speaker 5: more like that kind of running game than they really 126 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:34,039 Speaker 5: had at times last year. So I guess the fit 127 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:35,679 Speaker 5: makes perfect sense to me in that sense. 128 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:37,559 Speaker 1: It feels like they got another one of their guys 129 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: for sure to kind of lay the foundation here. Our 130 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: final big thing today is going to be trade rumors. 131 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: There's been a bunch about this online about Brian Thomas 132 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: Jor potentially being floated as a trade option, but GM 133 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 1: James Gladstone spoke to the media last week and he 134 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 1: said that's not true. On their end, at least, they've 135 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,359 Speaker 1: not had any offers, they've not made any moves to 136 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 1: move Brian Thomas junior. And he says, well, it doesn't 137 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: affect him that much. He hopes that's not affecting Brian Thomas. 138 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: And you're hearing all the rumors. 139 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 7: It can be very strange. 140 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 5: For sure. 141 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 2: I care more for you know, what weight that might 142 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 2: put on Brian himself, right when you know it's it's 143 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 2: something that's entirely out of his control and unnecessary. So 144 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 2: I think that's where my mind would go, if anything. 145 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 7: But you know, when it's fraudulent claims, it's you just 146 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 7: keep it get you know, keep your mind on what 147 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,239 Speaker 7: you can you can focus on and you can actually 148 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 7: control and try to do what's best for the Jacksonville Jaguars. 149 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: Right, And we've been talking about the trade rumors for 150 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: a while and obviously we're hearing it from the source 151 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: that's not true. But also a point to mention the 152 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: offense finally got clicking at the end of the season. 153 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: I have to imagine they're going to want to keep 154 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: that going and keep as many pieces of that as possible. 155 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, listen, I mean, god, what was Brian Thomas Junior's 156 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 4: signature catch last season? I mean, to me, at least, 157 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 4: it was the long catchdown the sideline against the Chiefs 158 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 4: Someboday night football that set up the game winner. Without him, 159 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 4: they don't win that game, and that's probably their signature 160 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 4: regular season win. He's a tremendously talented guy. 161 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 3: John. 162 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 4: I like this because we live in a social media 163 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 4: now world where anyone can say anything and all of 164 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 4: a sudden it goes viral and becomes a story. 165 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 5: I like that. 166 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 4: James Gladstone came out and said, he's a guy, We're 167 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 4: not trading him. 168 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 3: Don't worry about it, Brian, we want you here. 169 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 4: And that's a guy that you want here because when 170 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 4: he's right, he is really difficult to defend. 171 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:32,959 Speaker 5: Yet, I think you can understand why people targeted this 172 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 5: as a story because he didn't have the numbers that 173 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 5: as a rookie, and last year there were situations early 174 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 5: where drops were an issue. But I also think when 175 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 5: relationships come together, and last year the regime had to 176 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 5: figure out who Brian Thomas was and what he meant 177 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 5: to their offense, and I think kyie your point at 178 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 5: the top. By the end of the season, they figured out, Okay, well, 179 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:02,719 Speaker 5: maybe he's not a six teen hundred yard fourteen touchdown 180 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 5: you know, alpha one receiver like everybody wants, but he 181 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 5: fits into what they do. And James Gladstone in his 182 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 5: season ending presser said something really telling about Brian Thomas Jr. 183 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 5: He draws double teams and he stretches the defense downfield 184 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 5: without him in this dynamic, I don't know that. Parker Washington, 185 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 5: Jacobe Myers, Brenton Strange, they don't give you that. But 186 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 5: Brian Thomas Junior gives you that. And he fits in 187 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 5: what they're trying to do offensively. So yeah, I think 188 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:36,559 Speaker 5: they do like him and see him as a part 189 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 5: of this. 190 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 4: But just in case you think he can't be that 191 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 4: big number guy, I mean, he played with Jayden Daniels 192 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 4: and Malik Neighbors and was clearly not the featured Alpha 193 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 4: in that offense at LSU his senior year and had 194 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 4: seventeen touchdowns. Why Because the offense worked so well around him. 195 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 4: He was the most difficult guy for them to cover. 196 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 4: They just threw the ball down the field. John I 197 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 4: look at him and think in the right scheme, he 198 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 4: can be that guy. Again, I get not the alpha 199 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,959 Speaker 4: one that's catching the ball every single time, but can 200 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 4: have big numbers just because of his physical talent. 201 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: And I think that home run ability is there on 202 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 1: every play too, which is always a threat and helps 203 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: open things up. Coming up after break, we're going to 204 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: talk a little bit more about this offense, talk about 205 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: the running backs and what this running game might look 206 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: like next season. 207 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 2: Chris Rodriguez is, in fact somebody that if you watch 208 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 2: the tape, you understand very quickly exactly who he is 209 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:42,199 Speaker 2: as a football player, the superpowers that he taps into consistently, 210 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 2: and you know, if you draw back to his time 211 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 2: at Kentucky, it's remained a constant he is. 212 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:50,559 Speaker 3: He's very physical at the. 213 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 2: Point of attack. He has a really good pace in 214 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 2: his approach to the line of scrimmage and finding the lanes. 215 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:59,959 Speaker 2: Obviously an intimate understanding of the system and how Liam 216 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 2: likes to call things. So there's a lot of strong 217 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 2: matches just generally from how you know those two in 218 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 2: tandem can really work together. And then also our interest 219 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 2: in continue to find ways to level up our capacity 220 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 2: in the run game to, you know, make it a 221 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 2: really balanced attack. 222 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Jagsama general manager James Gladstone talking a 223 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: little bit about what they saw on the tape for 224 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:26,319 Speaker 1: Chris Rodriguez, a new running back that they've added to 225 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 1: this roster. They're only outside free agent addition thus far 226 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,839 Speaker 1: in free agency, and I think when we saw that 227 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: they weren't going to resign Traves e ten, we realized 228 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: this was going to be a little bit more of 229 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,679 Speaker 1: a running back by committee thing. Ideally, it seems like 230 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: that's the way Liam Cohen wants to run this. 231 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 3: Offense, without a doubt. 232 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 4: That's the way that he ran it with Rashad White 233 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 4: and Bucky Irving down at Tampa. And you want guys 234 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 4: who can go and score you eight, nine, ten touchdowns 235 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 4: in a season. But they're not going to rely on 236 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 4: one guy and one style of running back. John They've 237 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 4: got eleven picks. It wouldn't surprise me if they didn't 238 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 4: find a young running back that they liked in the draft. 239 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 5: I'd be surprised if they don't go running back somewhere 240 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 5: in the draft. I don't know if it'll be in 241 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,839 Speaker 5: that you know, they sort of have those their version 242 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 5: of premium picks this year, which is their four in 243 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 5: the first two rounds. I don't know if he'll be 244 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 5: there at the end. When James was talking, I think 245 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 5: he told you why they went and got Rodriguez. They 246 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 5: wanted to get better running inside. The tackles Travis etn 247 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:27,319 Speaker 5: gave them a lot on the outside, but when they 248 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 5: were trying to get the consistent yards, I think they 249 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 5: felt like defenses at times sort of knew that they 250 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 5: didn't have to worry very much about the middle of 251 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 5: the field in the running game. And again, I think 252 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 5: they believe that they're going to be a better, more 253 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 5: productive running offense, not necessarily the big plays, but getting 254 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 5: them into you know, second and five and second and 255 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 5: six in this league right now is so much different 256 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 5: than second and eighth. They believe they're going to be 257 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 5: in better situations offensively because of Rodriguez. 258 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: When this trade went down, one of my friends covers 259 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 1: the Commanders. He messaged me immediately. He was like my 260 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:06,079 Speaker 1: favorite locker room guy and someone we really want to 261 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 1: see succeed. We feel like the team didn't use him 262 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:10,319 Speaker 1: the right way, and they feel like I think he 263 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 1: said something to the effective whenever he was on the field, 264 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: you never saw him make a mistake where you were like, oh, 265 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 1: that was because of his fault. He's very trustworthy in 266 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: that regard as well. So exciting to kind of see 267 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: someone take on a different role because, as we've talked 268 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: about on Liam Cohen, seem if you earn it in 269 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: practice and you play well, you're gonna get your playing time. 270 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: And I think I'm excited to see what this looks 271 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:29,439 Speaker 1: like come training camp time. 272 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 5: Well, he looks like he always falls forward. Yeah, right, 273 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 5: and football the eighties and nineties, you know, thats a 274 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 5: big thing for a back. If you fall forward rather 275 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 5: than falling sideways. Guess what you're in second and six 276 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,079 Speaker 5: rather than second and eight. He looks like a fall 277 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 5: forward guy. And as simple and as crazy as that sounds, 278 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 5: that can make a huge difference when you're talking about 279 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 5: where the sticks are. 280 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 4: You just look at the way that the clubs are 281 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 4: approaching running back, right, I mean the Draguars let a 282 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 4: guy that they knew go into free agency serve of 283 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 4: the Seahawks, Right, I mean let their Super Bowl MVP, 284 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 4: Kenneth Walker, who looked unstoppable in that game, they let 285 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 4: him go they have Zach Sharboneau sitting behind him. 286 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 3: They might let Zach go next year. 287 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 4: When you say the position has been devalued, it isn't 288 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 4: just about how much you pay these guys anymore. 289 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 3: It's about how you use them. 290 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 4: And it's clear that there are some teams, the Jaguars 291 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 4: being one of them. You'd love it if you draft 292 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 4: Saquon Barkley and you've got that two thousand yard rusher, 293 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 4: although he didn't have two thousand yards and back to 294 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 4: back years, didn't have as good a year this year, 295 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 4: but you're happy at that position to have three guys 296 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 4: that you can use that can help you get to 297 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 4: one hundred yards a game, right then help you get 298 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 4: to second in short or give you the goal line touchdowns, 299 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 4: and you put your money and you put your emphasis 300 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 4: in quarterback and pass rusher in those kinds of positions instead. 301 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: And we see we talked a little bit. There are 302 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: two other rookie guys from last year, Basiell Tuton and 303 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: Quinn Allen. Obviously, the Quinn Allen's really kind of made 304 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: a name for himself in pass blocking and of the 305 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: trash talking. In our micd Up series, we love l 306 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: Quinn's but Bachel Tuten got hanged up a little bit 307 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: last year, and you know, in terms of wanting to 308 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: keep these guys fresh as you can when you split 309 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: up the carries a little bit and kind of letting 310 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: them play to their skill sets. Spacial tutans very fast 311 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: and he can bounce outside, so maybe when you have 312 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: a sea rod in the middle, they can kind of 313 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: play that role. This allows to play his play his 314 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: best self. 315 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 4: He's a big, strong guy, five eleven, two hundred and 316 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 4: twenty five pounds. 317 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 3: He runs with power. 318 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 4: We saw him in that clip with the Commanders against 319 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 4: the Jets going up and over someone. I think the 320 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 4: important part here is that it's a guy that they 321 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 4: know that that Liam Cohen knows, knows how he wants 322 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 4: to use him, knows what he's capable of doing. 323 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 3: I know that they don't. 324 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 4: They didn't throw the ball to him a lot, but 325 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 4: one of the things he said on his zoom was 326 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 4: that he can catch the ball. 327 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 3: Maybe that's an area where the Jaguars expand his role. 328 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, it was easy to see on the conference call. 329 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 5: Why when they were sitting around meetings talking about guys 330 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 5: and free agency. I guarantee you in. This kid's name 331 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 5: came up. Liam's eyes lit up. You could see how 332 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 5: there it could be an action. There's no way Liam 333 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 5: would be bringing him in if he didn't know exactly 334 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 5: how he wanted to use him. And a Tutan is 335 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 5: interesting because I think people assume that he's going to 336 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 5: be quote RB one. I'm with you, guys, I'm not sure. 337 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 5: I'm not sure there's going to be an RB one, 338 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 5: but uh, you know, sometimes people assume that running backs 339 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 5: and I fall into this sometimes too, are going to 340 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 5: come in and be what they are immediately because it 341 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 5: is the position where you can most quickly make an impact. 342 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 5: But I think we'll see what we expected to see 343 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 5: outitutin more last year, which is the unbelievable sudden speed, 344 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 5: the power. There's probably more in there than what we 345 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 5: saw last year. And you know, Liam has shown when 346 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 5: he's got the running backs, he knows how to use 347 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 5: different style running backs. 348 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: Is this something where my biggest concern, I guess when 349 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: Etn left was kind of how you replace what he 350 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 1: gave in terms of flexibility, whether that's catching catching passes 351 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: out of the backfielder's kind of knowing the offense. Well 352 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: you think it's gonna be a group effort to kind 353 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: of pick that up. Is there anybody you could see 354 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 1: that could kind of pick up the pass game from there? 355 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 5: Well, I think you will see. They carried four at 356 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 5: the beginning of last season, remember before they trade to 357 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 5: Tank Basby. It would not surprise me to see them 358 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 5: carry four again. The presence of the quin Allens sort 359 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 5: of makes carrying four sometimes necessary because he's such a 360 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 5: good special teams player and and you need him in 361 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 5: the passing game for blocking, so he kind of gives 362 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 5: you a dynamic that you need to have up. I'm 363 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 5: I'm not assuming he'll be the fourth back, but I 364 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:48,120 Speaker 5: think you will see a rookie maybe come in and 365 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 5: give what you're talking about, uh, the outside, the tackles, uh, 366 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 5: the passing, the receiving element. It's a different league than 367 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 5: when it used to be just RB one and they 368 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 5: have different skill sets. And again Liam has shown over 369 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 5: the course of his career he can get the most 370 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 5: out of multiple running backs. 371 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 4: Well, and you're gotta talk about production, you know, yards 372 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 4: per carry and setting up second in short but also touchdowns. 373 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:14,640 Speaker 4: I mean, that's what you got from etn. He gave 374 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 4: you thirteen last year, I think seven and six rushing 375 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 4: and receiving. Two years ago he had twelve. Where is 376 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 4: the touchdown production going to come from? Well, I mean 377 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 4: you could see Brian Thomas having more production, right, Jacobe 378 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:27,360 Speaker 4: Myers is here now with more time, you could see 379 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 4: more production there. I think Breton Strange is a guy, 380 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 4: especially in the red zone, who could be a big 381 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 4: production guy. And Tuton can get you some of the 382 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,919 Speaker 4: Quinn can get you some. There are more options for 383 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 4: scoring than this team has had in an awful long time, 384 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 4: and so I think you can replace Etn's production in 385 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 4: terms of touchdowns. I don't want to say fairly easily, 386 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 4: because it's never easy to replace that many, but there 387 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:49,159 Speaker 4: are ways to get that job done. 388 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:53,479 Speaker 5: And don't forget even you know, Tutin didn't have as 389 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 5: much as many snaps as Etam. I think he had 390 00:18:56,600 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 5: six touchdowns, So yeah, usage goes up. You'd expect that 391 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 5: touchdown level well at match thirteen, which is what Travis 392 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 5: gave you. I don't know, but I'm with you, Brian. 393 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 5: There's so many. There's eight or nine guys that you 394 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 5: wouldn't be surprised to say scoring in a game for 395 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 5: the Jaguars next year. 396 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:15,360 Speaker 4: Well, and I think you could probably what if you've 397 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 4: got five touchdowns on average from each of those three 398 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 4: running backs that we've talked, you could see Laquin being. 399 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:23,400 Speaker 3: A five touchdown guy, right, math guy. Yeah, But listen, 400 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 3: if you can. 401 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 4: Get that kind of production, you five to five and five, 402 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 4: that's just as good as having one guy that you're 403 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 4: paying thirteen million to to give you thirteen big. 404 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 1: Hold the field. But it'll be a group effort and we'll 405 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: see how it kind of all shakes out a little 406 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 1: bit later on, and later on in the show after 407 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: the break, we're gonna talk a little bit about what's 408 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 1: going on in the AFC South. 409 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 8: Right now, welcome back into Jags Am. Today. 410 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk a little bit about what's going on 411 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: is the AFC South. Not a lot going on here 412 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: for free agency, but it's not true for the rest 413 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,479 Speaker 1: of the division. We'll start up with the Titans because 414 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: they had a lot of work to do and they're 415 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 1: spending a lot of money two hundred and six five 416 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 1: million dollars already in free agency. They brought in fourteen 417 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: free agents. Eleven of those guys either played with Robert 418 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: Sala or a new offensive coordinator Brian Table, and they're 419 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:20,880 Speaker 1: bringing in the people that they know, which is kind 420 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: of makes sense. Obviously they've been around the league. They 421 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:24,880 Speaker 1: want to bring in their own guys. But a lot 422 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 1: of money. Listen, they have a lot of money to spend. 423 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 4: I get a twitch when I hear that much money 424 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 4: spent by one team and one free agency period, probably 425 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 4: because we've seen it around here and not work. And 426 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 4: you look at they and the Browns and the Raiders 427 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,439 Speaker 4: just I mean, they spend so much money and I 428 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 4: just you want to pick up the PHONEO, guys, and 429 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 4: you look at we've seen that before. That to me 430 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 4: does an equal success. You can look at the Colts, 431 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 4: and you can look at the Texans, and we're going 432 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 4: to talk about them and the things that they're doing, 433 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 4: and you can see where they're headed. 434 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 3: But when you look at just sort of that you. 435 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 4: Know, dump of players and that that exodus of cash, 436 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 4: and you think, yeah, I mean, if it doesn't all hit, 437 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 4: if it doesn't all line up perfectly, you're going to 438 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 4: be chasing your tail for an awful long time. 439 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, you can do it that way if 440 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 5: you're bringing them in on the right contracts and saying, Okay, 441 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 5: we're gonna get familiar guys, build our culture, and then 442 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 5: get back to drafting soon. The story up there is 443 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 5: whether or not cam Wore develops. But I'm with you, guys. 444 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,919 Speaker 5: You know, I got a lot of emails from fans 445 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 5: talking about Jaguars aren't doing anything and the rest of 446 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 5: the division is getting better around them. 447 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 3: We'll see. Listen. 448 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:37,679 Speaker 4: The calendar to the argument that I just made is 449 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 4: the twenty seventeen Jaguars where they went out and brought 450 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 4: in you know, Kalais and aj Boyer and spent a 451 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 4: lot of money that year. 452 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,360 Speaker 3: But it happened one year, and it was a. 453 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: One off as well, because we all know how it 454 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 1: went after that exactly. 455 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 4: So if they get if somehow the quarterback in Tennessee 456 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 4: plays well this year and they get things rolling, it 457 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,439 Speaker 4: might sustain itself for a short period of time, but 458 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 4: it doesn't equate to long term success. 459 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,919 Speaker 5: So well, they are in that phase. They've been the 460 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:06,640 Speaker 5: worst team in the. 461 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 1: Division, and they have the money to spend. They haven't. 462 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 5: So you've got to get you know, it's hard. You 463 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:13,199 Speaker 5: got to go in steps. I say about getting out 464 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 5: of the abyss, which this franchise had to do. You 465 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,880 Speaker 5: got to go in steps. Once you're there, you got 466 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 5: to build on it. We'll see it. It's a difficult 467 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,640 Speaker 5: path to spend your way out of the bottom. 468 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,199 Speaker 1: We will see how it plays out, for sure. The 469 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 1: Cults also spending a bunch of money, but most of 470 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: that was to keep their own guys. Obviously they're going 471 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 1: to keep Alex Pierce and Daniel Jones around. You know, 472 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 1: Jones trying to get back to the start of the season. 473 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: We'll see how that goes. We're going to follow that 474 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 1: rehab process for him. But they liked what they saw 475 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 1: last year and they spent a lot of money. Sauce 476 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 1: Gardner also, obviously the trade during the season seems like 477 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:46,959 Speaker 1: they're going on. 478 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 4: Listen when we talked about Jason Tatum on the show yet, 479 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 4: I mean, you covered the Celtics, you covered pro. 480 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: Basketball, be impressive, and that's a I feel like. 481 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 3: It's forty one weeks. 482 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 1: It needs more out of a different kind of athleticism. 483 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: So for him to come back and play basketball. I 484 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: don't know if they had the same surgeon, but they're 485 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: using new techniques for achilles, So I'm curious to see 486 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,400 Speaker 1: if this is actually feasible for him to do. He's 487 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: obviously younger than what we saw Aaron Rodgers was dealing with, 488 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: so he has the ability we'll see. 489 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 4: I haven't counted weeks, but it was forty one weeks 490 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 4: from surgery to Jason Tatum's return to the hardwood. So 491 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 4: the question now is is how long will it take 492 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 4: this quarterback to be ready to go? And will they 493 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 4: will they start him, I mean, will they be ready 494 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 4: to go with him or will they try to bring 495 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,400 Speaker 4: him along slowly and see if they can lean into 496 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 4: their running game a little bit and stay alive long 497 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 4: enough for him to come back. 498 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:39,439 Speaker 5: Yeah, you would think he's been a good mobile quarterback 499 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 5: in the right way for a while, meaning he hasn't 500 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 5: always looked around, but he can run. You would think 501 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 5: at first they would probably prefer him to be a 502 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,120 Speaker 5: little less bow of war in the pocket. I think 503 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:53,479 Speaker 5: he can do that. To me, it almost felt like 504 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 5: I'm not saying this is a negative. It almost felt 505 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 5: like the Colts had to do this. We talked about 506 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 5: it on the showlast year when they went after Sauce Garden, 507 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 5: they sort of went all in. They were seven and 508 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:11,120 Speaker 5: eight and one at the time. So I think they 509 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 5: got in a situation where if Daniel Jones was a 510 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,679 Speaker 5: better than fifty to fifty sixty forty percent chance of 511 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 5: being the same guy he was in twenty six, you 512 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,160 Speaker 5: almost felt like you were sitting around their meeting rooms 513 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 5: then saying, you know, this is what we sort of 514 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,160 Speaker 5: have to do because we've looked like a Super Bowl 515 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 5: team early last year. 516 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 3: Let's go back with that. 517 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 5: It doesn't work, you know, I don't know if this 518 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 5: is a given, but it's probably their best option in 519 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,120 Speaker 5: terms of a two year plan. 520 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 4: And you had to go too for one, right, you 521 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:44,679 Speaker 4: could not have him stand back in the pocket and 522 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 4: not have that receiver who I think is tremendous I 523 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 4: love watching. 524 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 5: It and developing, and a young player who is who 525 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 5: seems to be getting better in a lot. 526 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:57,439 Speaker 3: Of areas and really tough to defend. 527 00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's a Jonathan Taylor team. We can't forget that. 528 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: I mean, you've got to build around a running back 529 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:02,640 Speaker 1: when you have the best runner in fat and. 530 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 5: You've only got a little while with the back, So 531 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 5: to go to to Daniel Jones might make sense in 532 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 5: terms of timing it'd be interesting one to follow. 533 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,880 Speaker 1: The Texans relatively quiet compared to those other two. They 534 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 1: did extend Demil Hunter, so unfortunately he's going to terrorizing 535 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: Jaguars fans for a little bit longer. And they're revamping 536 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 1: their O line again. I don't know if they've figured 537 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 1: it out yet or if this iteration will work, but 538 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 1: still trying to find a way to protect CJ. 539 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:27,679 Speaker 5: Stroud. 540 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: We'll see if it works this time. 541 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 4: I think the best way to protect him is to 542 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 4: get that running game. I mean two years ago, Joe 543 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,679 Speaker 4: Mixon was a revelation for them. It looked like he 544 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 4: had finished his career in Cincinnati. They brought him down. 545 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 4: He was a thousand yard rusher, and I remember the 546 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 4: two games against the Jaguars in particular. It didn't seem 547 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 4: whether it was third and seven or third and two, 548 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 4: they that they could stop Joe Mixon and that that 549 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 4: led to the ability of CJ. 550 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 3: Stroud to play to his best. 551 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 4: If Montgomery, who they traded with the Lions for, is 552 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 4: near his ceiling, then CJ. 553 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 3: Stroud will have a much easier time. 554 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,160 Speaker 5: It's hard, as we all know from covering this league 555 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,639 Speaker 5: for a while. It's hard to be great everywhere, And 556 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 5: to me, the Texans are great in a lot of spots. 557 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 5: On defense, they have a great defensive line, They are 558 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 5: big time everywhere on the wall. You know, it's hard 559 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 5: to be also be great when you got that great, 560 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 5: It's hard to be great everywhere on offense, and I 561 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 5: think that's sort of what they're trying to do. Revamp 562 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 5: the offensive line. Are they revamping it? Are they just 563 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 5: searching for answers. It feels like they're searching for answers. 564 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 5: I kind of get why, because they're so good everywherehere 565 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,400 Speaker 5: else that's their spot, and they're just trying to sort 566 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 5: of let's figure out if we can hit it right 567 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 5: this year and get it going with this unbelievable defense. 568 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 5: Their defense is such a dominant to me, the scariest 569 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,640 Speaker 5: defense in football, absolutely. 570 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: So we'll see what they can build around on offense. Say, 571 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: let's here on jagsaon will tell you what's coming up 572 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 1: the rest of the weekend, the rest of the month. 573 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: Jags fan's time to lock in your seats for twenty 574 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 1: twenty six. Place your deposits now. Next season is going 575 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: to be at EverBank Stadium, but obviously the construction going 576 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,719 Speaker 1: on right now in full fourth so limited seating because 577 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: of those In Bowl renovations, So don't miss out on 578 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: your chance to get into the stadium for some of 579 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: these really big matchups this season. You can head over 580 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:26,640 Speaker 1: Jaguars dot Com slash tickets to get that locked in today. 581 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: And they're breaking stuff down. Every time I look over there, 582 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: there's a new crane flying by, there's building up the ramps. 583 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,400 Speaker 1: It's all coming together. 584 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 4: I was at the Saint Augustine Rotary Club yesterday and 585 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 4: there was someone that told me that they came downtown 586 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 4: just to see it. They'd heard people talking about it, 587 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 4: so they drove up here to see it and they 588 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 4: were stunned at the seats being gone. I mean, they 589 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 4: don't drive by it every day like people. 590 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 3: Do up here. It was it was shocking. 591 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 1: Did the struction absolutely. So. Now that we've gotten past 592 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: free agency, it's kind of draft time already. I know, 593 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 1: normal we're talking about draft weeks and weeks before because 594 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 1: we're trying to look ahead. But fortunately for us this year, 595 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: a lot of good stuff happened, playoff runs and all that, 596 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,159 Speaker 1: so we're gonna start looking towards the draft. I know 597 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 1: they're having draft meetings in the building. John, this week, 598 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: what's the focus kind of look like. I mean, we'll 599 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: be doing our mock drafts and all those fun things. 600 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 3: We're gonna bought the second round? 601 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: Sure, why not? 602 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 5: It's tricky. 603 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 1: We can't gamble, so we'll just try to guess. 604 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's uh. I think we're gonna see this 605 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:37,159 Speaker 5: year the first draft where James Gladstone is sort of 606 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 5: channeling his inner Rams, meaning they traded a lot of 607 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 5: picks when he was with the Rams. There's into fifty six. 608 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 5: I think we saw hints of it when he spoke 609 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 5: last Thursday. Draft picks as currency doesn't necessarily mean you're 610 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 5: gonna trade them all, but he sees them as a 611 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 5: currency to use the entire year, not just draft weekend. 612 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 5: When you say things like that, people who had never 613 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 5: heard that before can quite figure it out. But it 614 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 5: got you Jacobe Myers last year. Yeah, and they really 615 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 5: do believe that player acquisition is a three sixty five thing, 616 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 5: not a three day thing. 617 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 4: And that's different, right, I mean, that's something completely entirely different. 618 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 4: They are thinking asymmetrical to the old way of doing things. 619 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 4: Here's the other thing. And you may have heard this, 620 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 4: but there's a lot of jockey to get into the 621 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 4: twenty twenty seven draft. The top of this draft, for 622 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 4: whatever it may lack, it's a good draft. But apparently 623 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 4: next year's draft is really good, and so teams are 624 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 4: looking at their rosters and trying to leverage the opportunity 625 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 4: to get more picks in twenty twenty seven. And so 626 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 4: from that perspective, John, you can see why they think 627 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 4: a couple of competitory picks, you know, fourth fifth. 628 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 3: Round picks in a really good draft would go a 629 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 3: long way. 630 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 1: So many picks. 631 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 4: Here's the other thing that they end with. Jacks don't 632 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 4: have a number one pick, but they do have four 633 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 4: the top hundred. They have four the second and third round. 634 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 4: So there are opportunities to get good football players, guys 635 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 4: that you consider to be future starters in the third round. 636 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 3: Absolutely, you got three of those. 637 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: We got the time. We're gonna start deep diving into 638 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 1: that in the coming weeks. But we'll see next week 639 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: here on Jacks, I am