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Speaker 3: Emily A Badi Here, You are listening to episode three

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Speaker 3: hundred and sixty two of Hurdle, a wellness focused podcast

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Speaker 3: where I talk to inspirational people about everything from their

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Speaker 3: highest ties and tavist to moments to essential tips on

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Speaker 3: all go through our fair share of hurdles. My goal

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Speaker 3: through these discussions is to empower you to better navigate

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Speaker 3: towards your own big potential and of course have some

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Speaker 3: fun along the way. For today's episode, I am chatting

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Speaker 3: with Madeline Hill. She's the co host of the Sports

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Speaker 3: Gossip Show and creator of the sub stack in personal

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Speaker 3: We were both out here this week in Paris. You

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Speaker 3: cheering on faith kick yegun as she went after a

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Speaker 3: and Madelin and I are talking all about it today.

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Speaker 3: We talk of the vibes, get into some of the

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Speaker 3: Madeline talks about how she got into media, what it's

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Speaker 3: It was so fun to meet Madeline out here for

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Speaker 3: this special moment, not just for women in sports, but

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Speaker 3: about what's next, and I might have some updates on

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Speaker 3: following along with the show over on social It's at

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Speaker 3: Hurdle Podcast. I'm over at Emily a Body and if

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Speaker 3: So much of the same inspiration motivation you love from

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Speaker 3: let's get to it, let's get it's a hurdling. Today,

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Speaker 3: I am sitting down with Madeline Hill. She's a self

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Hurtle. Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, what would a few days in Paris

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Speaker 1: I mean, come on, I'm so impressed that you brought

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Speaker 1: I traveled with no mics. I just traveled with myself

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Speaker 3: Myself and my glasses. That's all I need, That's all

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Speaker 3: It's something that a lot of people have a hard

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Speaker 1: Again, I wouldn't be in Paris with Nike right now

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Speaker 2: How should I promote it on my own social channels?

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Speaker 1: I've had too much work experience running other social accounts,

441
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Speaker 1: creating newsletter strategies for brands, that it's like then I

442
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Speaker 1: want to do like a thousand things, and it's like

443
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Speaker 1: I'm only one person. I mean, now I'm Charlotte, which

444
00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:58,560
Speaker 1: is amazing, but it's like I was only one person

445
00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:00,920
Speaker 1: doing the newsletter and running social for that.

446
00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:02,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's a lot of work.

447
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to talk about Charlotte in just a second.

448
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Speaker 3: But I also think that a problem that can go

449
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Speaker 3: with coming from a place where you did it for

450
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Speaker 3: a lot of other brands is before you almost have

451
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Speaker 3: like this accountability buddy, right, and now as you're doing

452
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Speaker 3: it for just yourself. And I hate that I use

453
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Speaker 3: the word just, but it's almost easy to be like

454
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Speaker 3: it's fine if I don't do that, yes.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I'd be like, oh, I don't need

456
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Speaker 1: to promote the newsletter today, and then I would sit

457
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Speaker 1: for ten minutes and then be like, uh, I do

458
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Speaker 1: need to promote it. Let me make a video, let

459
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Speaker 1: me post it on my Instagram story. And you know what,

460
00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,000
Speaker 1: it did help convert people. So it's like, well, you

461
00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:33,840
Speaker 1: do kind of have to do it, even if you.

462
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Speaker 3: Don't want to exactly. So, where do you meet Charlotte?

463
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Speaker 2: So I meet Charlotte. I did not meet Charlotte in

464
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Speaker 2: person until last September, okay, which is crazy. Yeah.

465
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Speaker 1: So she had written a blurb for a newsletter I

466
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Speaker 1: had done about the NBA Finals. I think it was like,

467
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Speaker 1: what is your favorite piece of NBA gossip this season?

468
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Speaker 1: And so she wrote that last like May ish And

469
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Speaker 1: then after she did that, I was like, oh, we

470
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Speaker 1: should get on a call. We hadn't met each other,

471
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Speaker 1: we just were Internet friends. I was like, let's just

472
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Speaker 1: chat on the phone. We get on the phone, on

473
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Speaker 1: the phone for like two hours, and it was one

474
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Speaker 1: of those moments where very quickly we were both like, wait,

475
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Speaker 1: I think you're my person for this, Like I just

476
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Speaker 1: felt it. And so I was telling her about this idea.

477
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Speaker 1: I was like, I really want to do a sports

478
00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,600
Speaker 1: gossip podcast, but like, I don't know if I should

479
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Speaker 1: do it with a co host do it by myself.

480
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Speaker 1: Like I also don't come from the sports world, so

481
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Speaker 1: like I had some contact contacts that I had sorted

482
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Speaker 1: building up, but like I didn't know a ton of

483
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Speaker 1: people in sports, you know. And so we're talking. Charlotte

484
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Speaker 1: was like, well, are you looking for a co host?

485
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Speaker 1: And I was like maybe, and she was like would

486
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Speaker 1: you be down? And I was just kind of like yeah,

487
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Speaker 1: And it was just a moment. I think we both

488
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Speaker 1: just trusted our guts and intuition to be like, yeah,

489
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Speaker 1: you are the person to do this. Like I just

490
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Speaker 1: felt right. She's a sports expert. She has so much

491
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Speaker 1: experience working in sports and knows so many people that

492
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Speaker 1: I was like I trusted her like editorial expertise, her

493
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,719
Speaker 1: journalistic expertise or reporting expertise, that like I didn't have

494
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Speaker 1: those skills, but that I could bring those other skills

495
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 1: to the table, like the entertainment side, the marketing piece

496
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Speaker 1: is like those things I was able to bring to

497
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Speaker 1: the table. So our skill set just like was perfectly aligned.

498
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:03,679
Speaker 1: But yeah, we didn't meet each other in person till

499
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Speaker 1: September and then we launched it, which is crazy because

500
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Speaker 1: we like really put a lot of eggs in that

501
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,120
Speaker 1: basket hoping like it was going to work out because

502
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Speaker 1: like what if we recorded in person and like we

503
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,200
Speaker 1: didn't vibe, you know, like that very easily could have happened,

504
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,000
Speaker 1: and like luckily everything worked out. But yeah, it was

505
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,399
Speaker 1: a wild, like crazy short couple of months to launch

506
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Speaker 1: the show.

507
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Speaker 3: What I'm hearing you say is that you definitely have

508
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Speaker 3: a complimentary skill set when it comes to Charlotte's background,

509
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Speaker 3: Just for those that may not be familiar, give us

510
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Speaker 3: some context on that editorial expertise that she brings.

511
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Speaker 2: To the mix.

512
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so Charlotte was a journalist at Fox Sports Sports Illustrated.

513
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,159
Speaker 1: She hosted an NBA podcast with Metal Lark. So she

514
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Speaker 1: like comes from like og sports world. If she's listening

515
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Speaker 1: right now, Like she she knows everything about sports. Like

516
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, who is that athlete? She's like, oh my god,

517
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Speaker 1: how do you not know who that is? Like that's

518
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:49,920
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah, And I'm like, oh my god,

519
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,439
Speaker 1: you are a genius. You know everything about sports. She

520
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 1: used to like cover college football when on this huge

521
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 1: sec college football road trip. So she is like deeply

522
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Speaker 1: embedded in the sports space, which has been such a

523
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 1: huge advantage, especially to provide like actual sports knowledge context

524
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,159
Speaker 1: when we are talking about an off the field story

525
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 1: that maybe is impacted by some on the field performance.

526
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Speaker 3: It's so interesting for me to hear that you at

527
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Speaker 3: a moment where you weren't sure if you needed or

528
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 3: wanted a co host, right, because when you think gossip,

529
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:18,359
Speaker 3: you think two people having a conversation.

530
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I don't even know what it could have

531
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Speaker 2: been otherwise.

532
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Speaker 1: You know, I think for a while it was like, well,

533
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Speaker 1: I guess maybe it could be like a show where

534
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Speaker 1: it's like I'm interviewing behind the scenes people in sports.

535
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Speaker 1: That was like a version I had been thinking about, like, oh,

536
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Speaker 1: what if I interviewed NBA stylist that I had interviewed

537
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Speaker 1: for my newsletter and make it more of a deep

538
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 1: dive about their career and like understanding how they work

539
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Speaker 1: with athletes, So that sort of angle, And then I

540
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Speaker 1: was like, Okay, well, then what about another angle where

541
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Speaker 1: it's like I'm having rotating guest hosts based on like

542
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Speaker 1: what season in the sports world it is where we

543
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Speaker 1: are on the calendar. But then I was like, I

544
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Speaker 1: don't feel like that creates a sense of community with

545
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Speaker 1: listeners either, well, like.

546
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Speaker 3: It makes me think of like Jenna and Friends, right now,

547
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:59,120
Speaker 3: like I'm miss Koda. I know, I'm miss Soda, and

548
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,639
Speaker 3: like I understand on the concept and like eventually they

549
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,640
Speaker 3: want to find someone to do it with her all

550
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Speaker 3: the time. But I agree, like I love the idea.

551
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:08,880
Speaker 3: I listen to many podcasts that are like the same

552
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,880
Speaker 3: people giving, like talking to one another all the time

553
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Speaker 3: co hosts, and I you know, I'm jealous.

554
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Speaker 2: A little bit.

555
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Speaker 1: Oh maybe if you got a little rotate, like a

556
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Speaker 1: guest host occasionally or something.

557
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Speaker 2: I can't do Jenna and Friends on her.

558
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Speaker 1: That's fine, Yeah, I will say I think specifically, like

559
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 1: our podcast lends itself to being like better with two people.

560
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 1: I think because it's gossipy and it's humorous often, like

561
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,639
Speaker 1: we're laughing in pretty much every episode. That I do

562
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Speaker 1: think if we were switching a person out every single episode,

563
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Speaker 1: it would be hard to get in the rhythm of

564
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Speaker 1: banter back and forth, you know, every single week, I

565
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Speaker 1: mean and again, unless you did it like a guest

566
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Speaker 1: host or something, right, like a little Jena and Friends

567
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Speaker 1: or something.

568
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Speaker 3: It's just a recurring series with one person. Yeah, right,

569
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Speaker 3: I'm looking for the feedback. If there's a recurring series,

570
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Speaker 3: what should it be? Who should be on I mean

571
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Speaker 3: the DMS. So besides being a fan of sport and

572
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Speaker 3: you'll not bring what was your relationship with playing sports?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I played volleyball my entire life. I think from

574
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Speaker 1: third or fourth grade. I played competitive year around volleyball,

575
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Speaker 1: played in school, club volleyball, like traveling, staying in like Hampton,

576
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 1: in's around America. You know, one of those kids. So

577
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Speaker 1: I loved volleyball, so that was like my focus. I

578
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 1: played volleyball through college, but college I didn't do like divisional.

579
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Speaker 1: It was very baby level volleyball. But yeah, I played

580
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Speaker 1: volleyball all the way through. And then kind of in

581
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Speaker 1: the middle of that though, they tried to get me

582
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Speaker 1: to do track and field because I was tall. They

583
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Speaker 1: wanted me to do the hurdles, but I was like, no,

584
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Speaker 1: I don't want to do that. So I could have

585
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 1: done that. And then same with basketball. They tried to

586
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Speaker 1: get me to play basketball, and I was like, just

587
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Speaker 1: because I'm tall doesn't mean I'm going to be good.

588
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Speaker 2: I don't know how to play ball. I'm sorry. It

589
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 2: doesn't work. No, No, doesn't work, it doesn't work. I

590
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 2: love the Hampton and Tour of North America.

591
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Speaker 1: A lot of like Ma Giano's and Olive Garden stops

592
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Speaker 1: if you know you.

593
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Speaker 2: Know, if you know you know, Unlimited Solid and both

594
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 2: sticks for the West, for.

595
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Speaker 3: The experience of playing sports coming of age. What do

596
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Speaker 3: you think that that did for you? What skills did

597
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Speaker 3: it offer you or teach you that you're still using

598
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Speaker 3: to this day.

599
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Speaker 1: Oh my God, to tell me so many skills that

600
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Speaker 1: taught me about teamwork, how to deal with adversity, how

601
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Speaker 1: to deal with when things aren't going your way. I mean,

602
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,679
Speaker 1: there were so many times that we'd be down like

603
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 1: ten points, like and when you're in seventh grade, you

604
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 1: feel really impacted by that. You're like, I'm terrible at this,

605
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: I'm the worst. We all suck and it's not like

606
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: something that you can easily get over. But I think

607
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 1: when you get in the rhythm of failing often it

608
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 1: really does help you in your regular life. It's like,

609
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 1: how many times have you failed? I failed in our

610
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 1: normal life, screwed something up at a job, or whatever

611
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: the case may be. That it's like, I think having

612
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Speaker 1: that adaptability that you learn, especially in team sports. I

613
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Speaker 1: think when you're like learning how to deal with other

614
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 1: people's personalities when maybe someone's not having a good day,

615
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 1: and it impacts the whole team, Like just how to

616
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Speaker 1: be able to adapt to any sort of variable that

617
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 1: can be thrown your way. I think comes from that

618
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Speaker 1: experience playing sports as a kid, especially when you're playing

619
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Speaker 1: sports like your whole life.

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Speaker 3: You know. That's the theme, right, The theme here is

621
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Speaker 3: that these difficult moments and these hurdles and these challenges

622
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Speaker 3: are the moments that teach you who you really are.

623
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Speaker 3: I don't learn a ton about myself in the winning.

624
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 3: I learned a ton about myself on the journey to

625
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 3: the w during the moments where I am like down

626
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 3: and out and crying because the job fell through or

627
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 3: the workout went awful, or I feel as though I'm

628
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 3: a complete failure.

629
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Speaker 2: That sucks in the moment.

630
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Speaker 3: But that's the stuff that helps you realize who the

631
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 3: hell you really are.

632
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean I think about like even just

633
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 1: with my newsletter, like didn't come from a sports world.

634
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,640
Speaker 1: I did it for five years until I'm like now

635
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,239
Speaker 1: doing this thing with Nike, you know what i mean.

636
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: It took five years to get to this point. Yeah,

637
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 1: it's not like this happened overnight. There were times where

638
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: I certainly wanted to quit. I was like, this newsletter

639
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: got a really terrible open rate. No one's reading it.

640
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: Why did I spend so much time researching this story,

641
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: and like no one's acknowledging it. I felt like I

642
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 1: was talking to no one. And it's like I put

643
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,919
Speaker 1: in the work and dealt with all those obstacles. And

644
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: I do think that that experience in sports as a

645
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 1: kid really does help you with things like that of

646
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,679
Speaker 1: just like being able to persevere. And it's cheesy, but

647
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 1: it's like never giving up on your goal. This is

648
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: your full time thing. Yeah, tell us how that works.

649
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 1: So we have our substack for the show, which we

650
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:21,919
Speaker 1: do have some paid subscribers from that, and then I

651
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 1: have paid subscribers for Impersonal Foul, and then we have

652
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: some exciting things in the work for the podcast and

653
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: I can't say yet, yes, I can't say.

654
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 2: So that also is revenue.

655
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Speaker 1: And then I do a little bit of consulting still side,

656
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Speaker 1: because the reality is is like this is a new territory.

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Speaker 1: I think for a lot of brands to get into

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Speaker 1: the space, and then I'll do like branded partnerships for

659
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Speaker 1: my newsletter as well. So that's been really fun and

660
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Speaker 1: to like feel my voice is being validated by brands

661
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Speaker 1: as really cool because it's like, who would have thought,

662
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Speaker 1: like five years ago that someone would pay me to

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Speaker 1: write a substack.

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Speaker 3: Do you remember who the first brand was that reached

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Speaker 3: out to you?

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Speaker 2: Yes? Tell us about that. The first brand was Kennel

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Speaker 2: Jackson and it's a wine.

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Speaker 1: Do you know that the line and not to it

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Speaker 1: doesn't free spawn. I'm not getting paid for them right now,

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Speaker 1: but I think they're like the number one selling chart

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Speaker 1: nay in America's line.

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Speaker 2: Wow, some crazy is some great they were.

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Speaker 1: I think they still are the official wine partner of

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Speaker 1: the NBA and the WNBA. And so I paired like

675
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Speaker 1: certain NBA players with wine, like their wines, and it

676
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Speaker 1: was so fun and it was like in my voice,

677
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Speaker 1: and I was like, I can't believe I'm getting paid

678
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Speaker 1: to write this newsletter about players I love and about wine.

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Speaker 1: Like it was just like the best combination. And I

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Speaker 1: was like, this feels fake, you know, it feels like

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Speaker 1: a fake job.

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Speaker 2: Lebron's a big wine guy. Oh, he's a huge wine guy.

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Speaker 2: He loves wine. Did you compare him to a Kendle

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Speaker 2: Jackson wine?

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Speaker 1: I can't remember. In that one if I did. I

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Speaker 1: don't think I did. I don't think he was in

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Speaker 1: that newsletter. I have to go back and check. I'll

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Speaker 1: have to check.

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Speaker 3: I can't even imagine like the comparison or where we

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Speaker 3: would have gone with that. No, I don't think that

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Speaker 3: he would have appreciated it.

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Speaker 1: He would have sent me a DM like I have

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Speaker 1: some words, Rich Paul's like, I have something to say

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Speaker 1: to you.

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Speaker 2: Man, speaking of someone sending you words.

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Speaker 3: Yes, have you received words from the actual subjects of

697
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Speaker 3: the Sports Gossip Show? You know? No?

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Speaker 2: The closest we've gotten to words was we if you

699
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Speaker 2: listened to the Sports Gossip Show, you know, we covered

700
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Speaker 2: Bill Belichick and his twenty four year old girlfriend, Jordan Hudson.

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Speaker 2: Bill Belichick quarterback or quarterback, can you about it?

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Speaker 1: Not a quarterback, head coach of UNC football, but was

703
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Speaker 1: famously the head coach of the New England Patriots. And

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Speaker 1: we attended Jordan Hudson's beauty pageant in Maine because we

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Speaker 1: felt like it would do a disservice to our coverage

706
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Speaker 1: of the story if we didn't go see it in

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Speaker 1: the flesh, see her in the flesh. For a minute,

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Speaker 1: I thought she was like going to try to talk

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Speaker 1: to us or something, you know, but like we weren't

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Speaker 1: trying to invade, like we really were there to observe.

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Speaker 1: And then we did an episode about it. The day

712
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Speaker 1: after we release the episode, she started following us on

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Speaker 1: Instagram and we thought like, oh my god, she's gonna

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Speaker 1: like send us a message or something like she's just

715
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Speaker 1: gonna say something.

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Speaker 2: She didn't say anything.

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Speaker 1: We've reached out her twice because we want her to

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Speaker 1: come on the show, but that's the closest was the

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Speaker 1: follow and she's like keeping tabs. But I would love

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Speaker 1: for her to come on the podcast. You've only reached

721
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Speaker 1: out to her twice, only twice? Well, we've they've gone

722
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Speaker 1: on red, you know, I do you know? Maybe I

723
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Speaker 1: need to overcome that hurdle at this under a third message.

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Speaker 3: Well, what I'm saying is there's a way on Instagram

725
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Speaker 3: to not let people.

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Speaker 2: Know that you've read their message. Oh no, I know,

727
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Speaker 2: I know. So are we sure that they're on red?

728
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Speaker 2: We don't know that.

729
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Speaker 3: See, Okay, I don't know. So what I'm saying to you,

730
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Speaker 3: you don't know. You don't know until you try for

731
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Speaker 3: the third time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, third times a charm? Maybe there are times to

733
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Speaker 2: charm me.

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Speaker 3: Taking a break from today's episode to talk to you

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Speaker 3: and that means adding in creatine and collagen to the mix. Now,

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Speaker 3: which I am experiencing, but I'm also seeing a shift

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Speaker 3: And while I've been strained training for a minute now,

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Speaker 2: I said it. Now.

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Speaker 2: I love the.

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Speaker 3: Through line here though, of the importance of persistence, and

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Speaker 3: I find it very endearing and also exciting to hear

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Speaker 3: about the wins that you're experiencing right now, many of

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Speaker 3: which weren't even on your radar when we're talking about

794
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Speaker 3: starting the substack or of course you know when you

795
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Speaker 3: got to the place last year of starting the podcast

796
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Speaker 3: when you think about what your maybe next big goal

797
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Speaker 3: or thing that excites you is what comes to mind.

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Speaker 1: Well, for the podcast in particular, we want to be

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Speaker 1: in the top ten sports podcast. It's a bunch of men.

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Speaker 1: For the most part, we've gotten close. We got to

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Speaker 1: I think sixteen recently, which was crazy, like it was

802
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Speaker 1: just us and then a bunch of guys, and so

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Speaker 1: I think that was really gratifying and just reinforce for like, oh,

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Speaker 1: we're doing something right here, Like people clearly are resonating

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Speaker 1: with this. Men and women like people like this content.

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Speaker 1: But I think cracking the top ten and staying in

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Speaker 1: the top ten would be a huge stream And just like,

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Speaker 1: how ridiculous is it, like of a sentence that you're

809
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 1: like scrolling through top Apple charts and it's like the

810
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Speaker 1: Sports Gossip Show is in there with all these huge

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Speaker 1: male podcasts or like it just feels silly. But also

812
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Speaker 1: again I think, being a little delusional, we're like, no,

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Speaker 1: that will happen. Like we got close in the same

814
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Speaker 1: way Faith got close to breaking forward, Like we got

815
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Speaker 1: close to doing it, and it's only a matter of time,

816
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Speaker 1: I think, And maybe that's a little delusional, but I'm like,

817
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Speaker 1: I see the vision, and I think that, especially for

818
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Speaker 1: the podcast, is a huge goal of ours. I think

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Speaker 1: for the newsletter it would be increasing the cadence. I

820
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Speaker 1: would love to think about like bringing in guest writers

821
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Speaker 1: from time to time. I think that would be really interesting.

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Speaker 1: They're now a lot more really interesting people and kind

823
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Speaker 1: of like the sports adjacent world on Substack, So doing

824
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Speaker 1: more collaborations there and getting a better like content calendar,

825
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Speaker 1: cadence to do some of those features I think could

826
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Speaker 1: be really interesting, and then working with more brands on

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Speaker 1: substack I think alsould be great.

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Speaker 3: What's the most difficult part of being someone who shows

829
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Speaker 3: up in this way on the Internet.

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Speaker 1: I think the most difficult part is putting yourself out

831
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Speaker 1: there every single day. Yeah, like you know, I mean,

832
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Speaker 1: you know what it's like when you have an online presence.

833
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Speaker 1: It's like you kind of can't take a day off.

834
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Speaker 1: I would love to take a day off, but it

835
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Speaker 1: is really hard to do that, Like you're always kind

836
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Speaker 1: of online, and especially when you're in the kind of

837
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Speaker 1: news adjacent space, like you're always checking the news number one.

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Speaker 1: But then you're also always thinking about like, Okay, what

839
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Speaker 1: sort of content do I need to promote on my

840
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Speaker 1: own social channels? What do I need to put on

841
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Speaker 1: sports gossip show? Do I need to make a reel

842
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Speaker 1: right now about a topic? Do I need to make

843
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Speaker 1: a recap video on something? And so I think it's

844
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Speaker 1: the kind of always on thing that is challenging and

845
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Speaker 1: making sure you don't get burnt out because it's very

846
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Speaker 1: easily to burn out.

847
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Speaker 2: When was the last time you consciously unplugged.

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Speaker 1: Consciously unplugged? It's been too long. Honestly, it's been too long.

849
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Speaker 1: It's been too long. So you're telling me you don't remember,

850
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Speaker 1: I don't remember. I couldn't tell you.

851
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Speaker 2: I think.

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Speaker 1: Also, here's the problem, tell me about it. Because I've

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Speaker 1: worked in social for so long, I talked to so

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Speaker 1: many other people who work in social, like, it is

855
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Speaker 1: very difficult to be off because you are working weekends.

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Speaker 1: I worked crazy night shifts when I worked in entertainment

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Speaker 1: and was working like award shows, you're live tweeting night.

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Speaker 1: And to undo that switch that took a really long

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Speaker 1: time for me, Like that only took until maybe like

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Speaker 1: a couple of years ago that I finally was like

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Speaker 1: undoing that feature of myself. Yeah, and so to really

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Speaker 1: unplug is very difficult because you're like you're just kind

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Speaker 1: of embedded. And you also, I think, feel like if

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Speaker 1: you take a day off, what if you miss something?

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Speaker 2: You know, which isn't true.

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Speaker 1: It's like you could take a day off and everything

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Speaker 1: is fine, But I honestly don't.

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Speaker 3: Know if you were to take a day off, how

869
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Speaker 3: do you think it would make you feel.

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Speaker 1: I'd probably first feel like I don't know what to

871
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Speaker 1: do with my time. Mm, you know what I mean,

872
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: which is clearly a sign of burnout, I would guess

873
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Speaker 1: because I think you feel like you're so used to

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Speaker 1: being like not even on edge is the word, because

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Speaker 1: I don't feel on edge, but like going, going, going

876
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,479
Speaker 1: all the time, and you're like just kind of getting

877
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: a lot of stimulation from the Internet that it's like

878
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: if you unplug, then you're like, what do I do

879
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: with my time now?

880
00:38:55,280 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 2: Which you clearly enjoy doing that, yes, oh yeah, yeah.

881
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: It's not creating the content like I love cutting the

882
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 1: clips and all of that. It does take a lot

883
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: of time, but I do really like doing it because

884
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 1: it does feel like it's my purpose to be able

885
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: to be a sports gossip expert. So even though I'm

886
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: drained oftentimes and I'm like, oh, I don't want to

887
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 1: promote this like what we were talking about earlier, I

888
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: don't want to post this Instagram story, I do know.

889
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is what I'm supposed to be doing

890
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 1: with my life, and so it also can fuel me,

891
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: and so it also makes it more challenging and take

892
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: it off because I'm like, I do enjoy doing this.

893
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's funny because I'm sure there's someone

894
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 3: listening to this that hears you say I feel it

895
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 3: in my bones that my purpose is to be a

896
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 3: sports gossip expert, and they're like, oh my god, this woman. However, however,

897
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:46,399
Speaker 3: there is something really beautiful in that. At least that's

898
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:51,320
Speaker 3: how I'm seeing it, because you have this almost inexplicable

899
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 3: sense of I'm doing the right thing, and everyone has

900
00:39:55,640 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 3: the opportunity to experience that feeling that calling that purpose.

901
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 3: It's just again, wow, how many times can I say

902
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,879
Speaker 3: this in one episode? Are you maybe a little bit

903
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:09,959
Speaker 3: delusional enough to figure it out?

904
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 2: Yeah?

905
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 3: When did you first feel that sense of purpose with

906
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 3: this work? Was there a certain day moment experience that

907
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 3: gave you that feeling? And where do you feel that

908
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 3: in your body? Well?

909
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 1: I feel I feel very physically in my body. I

910
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: do a lot of like somatic movement. I don't know

911
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: if you're familiar with that, and that I feel things

912
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: really physically. And I think when I really felt like

913
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,760
Speaker 1: grounded in sports gossip which sounds crazy or sports adjacent content,

914
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: because it wasn't this wasn't really sports gossip.

915
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 2: Yeah was.

916
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 1: I interviewed the guy who created art but make it sports.

917
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're familiar with those accounts, but

918
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 1: he basically if you're not, he pairs moments in sports

919
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: with pieces of art that he remembers from emory his

920
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: over like five thousand images. I interviewed him, which I

921
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:56,879
Speaker 1: was shocked he agreed to do this. This was very

922
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: early on in my sub sect, maybe a year into it,

923
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: and it went really really viral, and all these people

924
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 1: in sports started following me on Twitter pre x time,

925
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,959
Speaker 1: and I remember being like, oh my god, these huge

926
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 1: sports writers are following me on Twitter. This is I

927
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: can't even fathom this. And I felt so grounded in myself,

928
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: being like, oh, this is what I'm meant to be doing,

929
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: Like this feels right. And to get acknowledgment from these

930
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 1: people who have been grinding in sports for so long

931
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: in our legends and their own right was crazy, Like

932
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: it was just it felt bananas. And so I think

933
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: part of me on one hand was like this feels

934
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: insane and shouldn't be happening. But then the other side

935
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 1: of me is like, no, this should be happening. Like

936
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 1: I've worked hard to get here and to do this interview,

937
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: to edit it myself, get it up, like, that's a

938
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 1: lot of steps to overcome to make it happen. And

939
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: so to get the positive feedback was just so gratifying.

940
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 3: And isn't it funny that the positive feedback can be

941
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 3: as minuscule as.

942
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 2: A follow Literally, isn't that crazy.

943
00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: It's not like I got forty five interview requests or

944
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: like job offers out of it. Nothing really happened out

945
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 1: of that. I got some newsletter subscribers, right, But it

946
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 1: was more validation from people who are in sports to

947
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: be like, oh, okay, if these people think this conversation

948
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: is interesting, I'm on the right path. Not that anyone

949
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: should rely on external validation to do what you want

950
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 1: to be doing, but I do think when you're in moments,

951
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,879
Speaker 1: especially doing something by yourself and not with anyone else,

952
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: it's good to have a little bit of external feedback

953
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: to help keep you going and be motivated.

954
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 3: How do you find the intrinsic motivation to keep showing

955
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 3: up when you are feeling burnt out?

956
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: I think because I see the vision, like I know

957
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: this is what I'm supposed to be doing, and so

958
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 1: It honestly makes me not want to take it off

959
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,240
Speaker 1: because I'm like, this is what I want to be doing.

960
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: I spend a really long time doing jobs that were

961
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,399
Speaker 1: really draining, like working in social For anyone who's done

962
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: that type of work, like, it is really exhausting and

963
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,720
Speaker 1: you get burnt out very easily. And there is nothing

964
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:58,879
Speaker 1: wrong with doing those jobs, but it is just really

965
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: really challenging to keep the momentum to keep doing it

966
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 1: year after year, and so to finally be able to

967
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: like find the thing that kind of takes those skills,

968
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: but then also these new skills in this new area

969
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: that I have never worked in makes me feel alive inside.

970
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 1: You know. It's like I'm excited to talk about sports

971
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 1: gossip because it's what I should be doing. It's not

972
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel draining in that way. There are days where,

973
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 1: of course, I'm like I don't want to send a newsletter.

974
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: I'm so tired, Like I've just cut a bunch of

975
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: clips for the podcast, like I just don't want to

976
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,879
Speaker 1: do this. I've finished a consulting project, like I don't

977
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 1: want to do this, but I know, like this is

978
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 1: only going to help me in the future if I

979
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: continue to stay consistent, because if I don't, I think

980
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: like you can kind of lose steam.

981
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, totally easy to lose steam. And I

982
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 3: appreciate what you said about being a beginner at something new.

983
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 3: You can be a beginner and be excited and also

984
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 3: admit that you don't have all the answers.

985
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, I don't think I'm the best writer.

986
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: I don't actually think I'm a very good writer, you

987
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:57,720
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I think I have my voice

988
00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 1: and found my niche. But I think it's just getting

989
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 1: over the hump of being like people are going to

990
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: be critical of what you say or how you write,

991
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 1: or you got the spelling hair wrong here, there's like

992
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: who cares?

993
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,919
Speaker 3: You just have to start and do it and be consistent. Yeah,

994
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 3: I mean, writing isn't rocket science. Writing isn't brain surgery.

995
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,760
Speaker 3: No exactly. I think that bad is going to happen

996
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 3: if there's Ean and I and nice to know who

997
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 3: cares who?

998
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 2: But there are going to be people that that do care.

999
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 3: And so that's the stuff that you have to get

1000
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 3: to the point with that you're like, Okay, those aren't

1001
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 3: my people.

1002
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: They're not my people, and that's okay, and that is okay,

1003
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: Like I don't need to please everyone, and I know

1004
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 1: I don't. I certainly know there are people who are

1005
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: annoyed that I'm like coming in the sports space. I'm

1006
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: talking about sports gossip. I say, I'm not a sports expert.

1007
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 1: It's like, I get it. I get that people are

1008
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: into that, and that's fine. They have their own audience

1009
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: in their own line, and I'm not trying to get

1010
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:45,760
Speaker 1: in that line.

1011
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1012
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:51,320
Speaker 3: So for someone that is a sports gossip expert, what

1013
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 3: does your regular sports consumption look like?

1014
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:56,280
Speaker 2: Great question.

1015
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: Well, I watch a lot of sports because again I'm

1016
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: interested in what's going on the athletes. We talked about

1017
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 1: this on the Sports Gossip Show that you can tell

1018
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: a lot of what's going on off the court by

1019
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,879
Speaker 1: the vibes on the court. And we always talk about

1020
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: vibes like you could tell, for example, during the Super Bowl,

1021
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: like the Kansas City Chiefs, like the vibes seemed off,

1022
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 1: Like I was like, did they get in a fight

1023
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 1: before this game? Like, nothing crazy dramatic, but it just

1024
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: felt like internally there was some tension and something wasn't

1025
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: quite right. So I watch a lot of sports. So

1026
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: obviously during the NBA Finals have been consuming a lot

1027
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 1: of that. I've now started watching baseball because it's sort

1028
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: of in the middle of baseball season in full swing.

1029
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: I was watching all the Stanley Cup Finals. Never watched

1030
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: the Stanley Cup Finals before, but I was like, I'm

1031
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: into all this draw mother fighting all the time, you know,

1032
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 1: a classic hockey fashion. So I'm pretty much like constantly

1033
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 1: watching sports on a weekly basis.

1034
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 2: How does this impact your personal life?

1035
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 3: Well, my husband is a huge sports fan, okay, so so.

1036
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,720
Speaker 1: It works out for me. I think it'd be challenging

1037
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: to be married to someone who was a sports fan,

1038
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: considering we have sports on pretty often.

1039
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 2: In our household. Yeah, what's he do for work?

1040
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: He's a graphic designer Okay, so yeah, and he he's

1041
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: also like a huge NBA fan, so like we're both

1042
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 1: deeply invested in the NBA Finals and like NBA Twitter

1043
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: and like sharing memes back and forth.

1044
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 2: So I do think that also helps.

1045
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: Like if I was living by myself and was just

1046
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: watching games on my computer or something like that would

1047
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: be a little challenging.

1048
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1049
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 3: Now, before when you were saying that the thing that

1050
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 3: helps you harness that intrinsic motivation when you are feeling

1051
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 3: a bit burnt out is that you can see the vision.

1052
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 3: Was there a certain exercise or anything that you did

1053
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 3: to really articulate what perhaps the best case scenario is

1054
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 3: either for the newsletter or the podcast or the other work.

1055
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 2: That you do.

1056
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: Ooh, that's a great question. Not necessarily specifically for the work.

1057
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: But I do think I'm very Type A. If you

1058
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,760
Speaker 1: can't tell, like, I am very Type A to a fault,

1059
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: and I had to really do a lot of internal

1060
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 1: work to undo a lot of that, because I think

1061
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: being very Type A means you don't want to do

1062
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,399
Speaker 1: something a little bit different with your career like I

1063
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: was like on LinkedIn when I was sixteen, not cool,

1064
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: like I was very into working.

1065
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 2: I started interning when I was sixteen.

1066
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,240
Speaker 1: I was like I want a job, I want to work,

1067
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 1: And so that meant I was like putting myself out

1068
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: out there for these internships and these jobs like that

1069
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: probably I wouldn't have gotten otherwise. But because I was

1070
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: confident in very type A and like I must have

1071
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: a career, like I must do this thing, that it

1072
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: took a lot of undoing to do that because to

1073
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: pivot to be like I'm going to go start a

1074
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:24,720
Speaker 1: sports gossip newsletter. When I've worked at these name brand companies,

1075
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 1: doing social media strategy like that is a hard thing

1076
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 1: to do. So I did during the pandemic actually a

1077
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: two day like virtual retreat kind of thing with the

1078
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: Hoffmann process.

1079
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 2: I don't know if you know what that is. It's amazing.

1080
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 1: I would love to do the full week, but it's

1081
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:42,720
Speaker 1: kind of all about like your internal self and also

1082
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 1: your family and how that can impact your upbringing. But

1083
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: I do think the benefit that came out of it

1084
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 1: was being able to let go. That was something that

1085
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: was really challenging for me, of like letting go of

1086
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,760
Speaker 1: outcomes and being like, it's okay to make a pivot

1087
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: when you're very type A.

1088
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 2: That's hard to do.

1089
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 3: It's also okay to quote unquote not be perfect. Yeah, right, exactly.

1090
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 3: So when you have this idea in your head that

1091
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 3: this is how I should be executing X or Y,

1092
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 3: that is really hard to step away from. Yeah, as

1093
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 3: a type A person. Yeah, And I also get I mean,

1094
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 3: here's the practical thing. So it's like I didn't have

1095
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 3: family financially supporting me making this pivot, Like when I

1096
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 3: made the pivot. I was still consulting.

1097
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 1: It's not like I was just like screw this, I'm

1098
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 1: like living on all this fancy money.

1099
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 2: Like I was working and consulting during all this.

1100
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 1: So that was hard too, where it's like you're balancing

1101
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 1: like Okay, now I have to like budget financially because

1102
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, I'm not working as much. I'm

1103
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 1: working for myself. Freelance clients come and go, but I

1104
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 1: still want to do this thing over here. And so

1105
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: it's like you're kind of like your Type A and

1106
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 1: Type are like parallel pathing a little bit. So I

1107
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: do want to be mindful of like the practicalities of

1108
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 1: this was not like one day I woke up and

1109
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: I was like I'm just gonna do this and like

1110
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: it's all fine, everything will work out. It's like, nah,

1111
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,760
Speaker 1: you still got to like make money and pay rent.

1112
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 2: Right, you know, make money and pay rent.

1113
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 3: And it's hard for or individuals that maybe recognize that

1114
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 3: they aren't someone that would thrive being their own boss,

1115
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 3: which there's nothing wrong in that, or perhaps they just

1116
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 3: don't understand what goes on behind the scenes. It can

1117
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 3: be challenging for those individuals to have any sort of

1118
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 3: understanding that it is possible to figure it out and

1119
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 3: do well for an entrepreneur or for a gied worker.

1120
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 3: I have people either in my comments or my DMS

1121
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 3: I would not say regularly but sporadically that always ask

1122
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 3: if I come from family money. I'm like, I'm just

1123
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 3: two divorced parents as well. Yeah, when I share that

1124
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 3: in common, I have divorced parents. I paid for college myself.

1125
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 3: I pay for my apartment myself, Like, I pay all

1126
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 3: of my bills and I've just figured out how to

1127
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 3: do it.

1128
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, you just figured it out. And it's not to

1129
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 1: say it's not hard, Like it is hard. And I

1130
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: think there's this misconceptions of it when you like, I'll

1131
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,399
Speaker 1: see someone and then I'm like, oh, they're like they

1132
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: got some money from somewhere or whatever, and it's annoying.

1133
00:49:58,320 --> 00:49:58,839
Speaker 2: I get it.

1134
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: It can be frustrating, but also like you just have

1135
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 1: to see, like I'm on a different path, So it's like,

1136
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 1: how do I make this work If I do want

1137
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:05,839
Speaker 1: to make a pivot. If I don't, and you want

1138
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: to work a normal job, that's also fine, right, And

1139
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: that can also still be challenging, and it has a different

1140
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: set of challenges, but I think just acknowledging that, like

1141
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: this doesn't happen overnight, and also like I still have

1142
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 1: to pay my bills, And it's not like I just

1143
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 1: abandoned my type A self. I just was able to integrate.

1144
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: I think like this type be self to take more

1145
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 1: risks slowly over time, and now I'm able to take

1146
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: bigger risks that I certainly was not able to take

1147
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 1: five years ago exactly.

1148
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 3: So it's so interesting to me also being somewhere like

1149
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 3: where we are now seeing so many people that work

1150
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 3: for one single company, right, one single organization, because I

1151
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 3: have moments where I'm like, how cool is it that

1152
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,240
Speaker 3: all of these people get to work on these projects together.

1153
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:49,399
Speaker 3: I am someone as a Gemini that likes to collaborate,

1154
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 3: which can be challenging as a self employed party of one. Yeah,

1155
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 3: it's interesting. I feel like there's always moments where you

1156
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 3: want some of the things that you don't have. But

1157
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 3: then I take a step back and I'm like, but

1158
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 3: how much freedom and opportunity and any fun do I

1159
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 3: get to have?

1160
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1161
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 3: When I don't need to report to a boss and

1162
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 3: a director and a chief and their VP.

1163
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: Right, and there are pros and cons to everything. It's

1164
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 1: like sometimes I'm chasing down a client to pay me

1165
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: who hasn't paid me a while.

1166
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. And it's like, well, if

1167
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 2: I had a normal job, i'd get paid every two weeks. Yeah,

1168
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 2: and that is that.

1169
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: Like things like that come up, and so it's like,

1170
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 1: there are pros and cons to full time jobs working

1171
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: for yourself. I don't think there's a right answer. I

1172
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: think it more comes internally of trusting your gut and

1173
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: your intuition. I'm like, what is best for you and

1174
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 1: going back to what you're mentioning it earlier about just

1175
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: like feeling things in your body, Like I trusted my body.

1176
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 1: I was like, this is what I'm meant to be doing.

1177
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: And for other people that maybe is a nine to five,

1178
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:38,760
Speaker 1: and that's also fine.

1179
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 3: Was there a moment that you debated not continuing with

1180
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 3: this stuff, like seriously debated.

1181
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 2: It, honestly?

1182
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 3: No.

1183
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think because I was a little delusional the

1184
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 1: whole time and I'm still delusional about it, you know. No,

1185
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 1: But I think the only reason I thought that was

1186
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 1: because I was still consulting and I had a financial

1187
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 1: like plan be you know what I mean. If I

1188
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: was one hundred percent invested in just doing the newsletter

1189
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 1: in the podcast. Like let's say that was the only

1190
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: thing I was doing, and at the time it would

1191
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,280
Speaker 1: have only been the newsletter, Like I think I certainly

1192
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,879
Speaker 1: would have probably given up because I wasn't making money

1193
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 1: for years on it. You know, it's not like money

1194
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 1: started immediately, and so you need to have some sort

1195
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 1: of safety net.

1196
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 3: It's frustrating when you're in that position because and I

1197
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 3: talked about this recently on the show with a girlfriend

1198
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 3: of mine, Lauren, who's a photographer. She had a full

1199
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 3: time job in marketing and was starting to really get

1200
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 3: serious about her photography and booking a ton of gigs.

1201
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 3: And it wasn't until she decided to really go all

1202
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 3: in with the photography she had been let go from

1203
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 3: her other job, that she started to reap the benefits

1204
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:56,280
Speaker 3: of that dedication of.

1205
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 2: All of these new doors opening.

1206
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 3: And that's scary as hell, yeah, but also it might

1207
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 3: be hard to jump in, but once you do, the

1208
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 3: water's fine.

1209
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you opened so many more doors. Like even

1210
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: the minute I started, this was so small, but I

1211
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 1: was so paranoid for so long of how I was

1212
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 1: being perceived online because I didn't post any tiktoks or

1213
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: reels on my social media accounts about sports. The minute

1214
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: I started doing it, it kind of like cracked things

1215
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,280
Speaker 1: open and like, oh I had some videos go viral.

1216
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: Oh I got more subscribers. Oh I had more brands

1217
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 1: reaching out. It's like, Oh, that only happened because I

1218
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: kind of let go of expectations around what it could be.

1219
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 2: Breonna Weize came on the show a month or two ago.

1220
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 3: She's an author and she now is like wildly popular

1221
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 3: with millions of readers. And she said to me that

1222
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 3: when she was beginning, one of the things that she

1223
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 3: was concerned about is this same what are people going

1224
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,919
Speaker 3: to think of what I'm doing here? And she put

1225
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:52,359
Speaker 3: out an Instagram story that was essentially like, Hi, I'm

1226
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 3: going all in on being a writer, and this is

1227
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 3: how I'm going to present now. And you can get

1228
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 3: on the horse and come with me, or you can

1229
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 3: off and like go take a swim or something like

1230
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:04,399
Speaker 3: that feels better, whatever works for you.

1231
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 2: Like I'm not bothered by it, but this is just

1232
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:07,399
Speaker 2: what I'm going to do now.

1233
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 3: And this goes back to our conversation on You're not

1234
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 3: going to be a person for everyone.

1235
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 2: No, and that's okay. That's okay.

1236
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 1: You don't need to follow me if you don't, it's

1237
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 1: totally fine. No hard feelings, Its no hard feelings.

1238
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 3: I love that you've never had a moment where you

1239
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 3: were like, am I doing the right thing? I think

1240
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 3: that's really inspiring, and I don't necessarily know if that

1241
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 3: is always the path. I certainly feel very purposeful in

1242
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 3: the work that I do. I know where I want

1243
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 3: to go with it. However, there have definitely been moments

1244
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 3: of challenge with the podcast and just some of the

1245
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 3: other things I'm doing in my career, Moments when people

1246
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 3: have said not yet, and I'm like, is it ever

1247
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 3: going to be yet?

1248
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:44,800
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1249
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 3: Right, So I find that very impressive. What would you

1250
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 3: say has been, however, one of the most challenging moments

1251
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 3: since you started the sub Stack in twenty twenty.

1252
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 1: I would say letting go of the old career self.

1253
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 1: That has been the hardest thing for me. It really

1254
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 1: like it has taken years to undo that. And again

1255
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 1: it's like I'm still consulting a little bit because it's

1256
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: like I still haven't fully let go because I also

1257
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: need to pay bills. It's you know, it's like that's

1258
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,760
Speaker 1: just the reality. But I think that's been the hardest

1259
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 1: piece of being like you're on a path for so

1260
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 1: long and you can kind of see if you Joe,

1261
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 1: I'm a social media director, that I'm maybe a senior director,

1262
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 1: then maybe a CMO one dy or like whatever that

1263
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 1: that path look like, and then to be cool, I'm

1264
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 1: just getting off that train. I'm doing something completely different.

1265
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 1: It's not like I'm like, oh, I'm going to go

1266
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 1: work in influencer marketing. It's like a side door to

1267
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: social media strategy. It's like I'm doing something completely different.

1268
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: And so I think that's been the most challenging piece.

1269
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:42,839
Speaker 1: It's not necessarily the vision of being like, oh, are

1270
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 1: people into this sort of content. It's like we've seen

1271
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 1: it in culture right now. It's like people are into

1272
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 1: these side stories about sports and fashion, their weddings, whatever

1273
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 1: the case may be. So it's like I'm confident in

1274
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 1: that in the subject matter, but it's more like my

1275
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 1: own internal work of like letting go of like, Okay,

1276
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 1: this path isn't working anymore for me, but this new

1277
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 1: path is, So how do you tap into that and

1278
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:07,320
Speaker 1: slowly really let go of everything and that's freaky.

1279
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:11,760
Speaker 3: What are the stories in sports right now that you're

1280
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:13,320
Speaker 3: the most excited about.

1281
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 1: Oh my god, okay, well one of them I'm speaking

1282
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 1: of Tom Brady. We talked about this on the show.

1283
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 1: Is we're fascinated by the types of posts he pins

1284
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:22,760
Speaker 1: on his Instagram.

1285
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 2: Oh. I don't know if you've noticed this. Tell me more.

1286
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:27,760
Speaker 2: Our theory is that this is based on no evidence.

1287
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 2: This is just vibes.

1288
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 1: We're just going off of vibes that when he pins

1289
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,799
Speaker 1: like a shirtless post on his Instagram, which he has done,

1290
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: or he posts a lot of Instagram stories, he's trying

1291
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:38,919
Speaker 1: to thirst trap for someone he wants to talk to. Okay,

1292
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 1: like a potential girlfriend or something.

1293
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 2: I mean, that's pretty standard behavior.

1294
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: It's standard behavior, but it's funny to see it on

1295
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 1: his level because he's so famous that he's like just

1296
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 1: thirst trapping like the rest of us.

1297
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:50,320
Speaker 2: He'll pin the shirtless photo.

1298
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it might still be pinned. Actually I don't

1299
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 1: know if that one is, but there was recently a

1300
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: pin photo of him shirtless.

1301
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:56,800
Speaker 2: Interesting.

1302
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:02,359
Speaker 1: Next, that's another levels going on here, So that one

1303
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 1: was really interesting. Also, the NBA Finals, I think, just

1304
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 1: as a story in general, because you know, if you

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Speaker 1: don't know a lot about the NBA, it was two

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Speaker 1: non major market teams in the finals. So on paper,

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Speaker 1: it's like, oh, this isn't a quote unquote sexy finals.

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Speaker 1: It's not like the Lakers versus the Celtics, this like

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Speaker 1: series that's like all about this rivalry blah blah blah

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Speaker 1: blah blah. And the stars are young players. It's not

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Speaker 1: like there's a Lebron James esque figure on the team.

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Speaker 1: And so I think that was just really interesting, just

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Speaker 1: kind of the cultural conversations around this series and mean, like, oh,

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Speaker 1: it is the series quote unquote lame and then spoiler alert,

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Speaker 1: it became one of the most iconic NBA Final series

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Speaker 1: of all time. It went to Game seven. Poor Tyres

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Speaker 1: Haliburn got injured in Game seven, which was so awful.

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Speaker 1: But like, it was just such a fascinating series and

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Speaker 1: there was so much tension I think within like the

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Speaker 1: media space and the conversations around the series that I'm

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Speaker 1: just super fascinated by.

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Speaker 3: You are here in Paris right now and have vocalized

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Speaker 3: that this opportunity is something that you couldn't have even

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Speaker 3: dreamed of. When I say to you what's on your

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Speaker 3: vision board for LA twenty eight?

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Speaker 2: What's there?

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, Oh, don't make me answer that. Interviewing Simobiles, Oh,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. If she's I mean, will she compete,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but in some capacity that would be amazing,

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Speaker 1: or just interviewing any gymnast for TEMSA would be iconic,

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Speaker 1: whoever is on that team. I would also say a

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Speaker 1: dream would be to have some sort of like color

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Speaker 1: commentary show during the Olympics around what's happening off the

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Speaker 1: field with these players, like to give some sort of

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Speaker 1: comments for people who maybe don't really care about the

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Speaker 1: specific stats of players or the actual in game content,

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Speaker 1: and it's almost like color commentary that's live during the

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Speaker 1: Olympics about all the players' personal lives.

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Speaker 3: All right, well, June twenty twenty five, this is when

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Speaker 3: we're having this conversation and I cannot wait to play

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Speaker 3: it back for you the month before we're both out

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Speaker 3: in LA.

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Speaker 2: I would didcasting eight.

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Speaker 3: Right now, someone goes to your Instagram page and they

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Speaker 3: see what you have put out there into the world,

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Speaker 3: which is that you are indeed a sports gossip enthusiast.

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Speaker 2: But when you look in the mirror. What do you

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Speaker 2: see looking at you? Ooh, great question.

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Speaker 1: I think I see someone who has changed a lot

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Speaker 1: in a short amount of time and made a lot

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Speaker 1: of pivots and has been really fearless through the process.

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Speaker 1: Like again, even when I was younger on this weird

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Speaker 1: LinkedIn path dming people on LinkedIn when I was sixteen,

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Speaker 1: I think the through line there was being fearless and

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Speaker 1: not being afraid of someone say no. It's like I

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Speaker 1: got a lot of opportunities because I just wasn't afraid

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Speaker 1: of saying someone saying no. And I think that's been

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Speaker 1: something I keep trying to think about time and time again,

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Speaker 1: that like, even though I'm on doing this like type myself,

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Speaker 1: I'm making this career pivot, It's like the through line

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Speaker 1: through all of it is that I'm okay with the outcome.

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Speaker 1: I'm being fearless and it is what it is. No

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Speaker 1: one has to love me, and that's fine. I'm excited

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Speaker 1: if with what I'm doing, that's all it really matters

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Speaker 1: at the end.

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Speaker 2: Of the day.

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Speaker 3: The last question that I ask in every episode is

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Speaker 3: if you have an opportunity right now to offer yourself

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Speaker 3: going through that difficult moment of letting go of the

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Speaker 3: Type A in pursuit of the greatness that comes with

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Speaker 3: being a little bit more Type B.

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Speaker 2: Knowing what you know?

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Speaker 3: Now, what advice do you offer yourself? You're already We're

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Speaker 3: already there.

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Speaker 1: We're already there. You were already on the right track. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's like just being curious. I was on the right

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Speaker 1: track being curious about like, what is this new platform?

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Speaker 1: Let me start this newsletter being curious? What am I

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Speaker 1: going to call it? Have you my husband's a graphic designer,

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Speaker 1: make a little logo, like, you know, being curious about

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Speaker 1: all these little tiny steps I think has led me

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Speaker 1: to today. So I would just continue to say be

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Speaker 1: curious because you just never know what doors are going

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Speaker 1: to open, truly, like you really have no idea.

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Speaker 2: It's cliche, but you just really have no idea. What

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Speaker 2: is out there for you? What is out there for you?

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Speaker 2: Matteline Hill, Wow, this was fun. This was so great.

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Speaker 2: For those that aren't keeping up with you, just yet,

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Speaker 2: give us all of the details. Where do we find you?

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Speaker 2: Where can they follow you? Hit me? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: You can follow me on Instagram at matt Underscore Hill.

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Speaker 1: You can follow the Sports Gossip Show on Instagram at

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Speaker 1: Sports Gossip new handle. We just got, I know, very

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Speaker 1: exciting on TikTok We're at Sports Gossip show and I'm

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Speaker 1: on TikTok at impersonal foul? Did you have to pay

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Speaker 1: someone for that? No, we just we worked some connections.

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Speaker 1: We got we got the handle. Very excited.

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Speaker 3: Oh man, I'm over at Emily Body and at Hurdle Podcast.

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Speaker 3: Another Hurdle conquered. Catch you guys next time