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Speaker 1: Molly Lambert, and with me as always are Tess Lynch
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Speaker 1: guest today Elaine Cohn. Hello, Hello, Lin Helen is the
Speaker 1: author of Romance or the End, a new book of
Speaker 1: poetry out now. And it's Valentine's Day today, and it's
Speaker 1: Spooky Love February on Nightcall. So it's the most erotic
Speaker 1: day of the year. It's the most thrilling, the erotic day.
Speaker 1: I did actually walk down Hollywood Boulevard and note that
Speaker 1: people were going into all the sex shops today. Um.
Speaker 1: The Hustler Store was bustling with activity as always. Um.
Speaker 1: We were going to take a night call just off
Speaker 1: the bat Ay Nightcalls. Kate, longtime listener, first time night callers.
Speaker 1: Since you guys doing are doing a romance theme month
Speaker 1: for February, I thought it might be cool to call
Speaker 1: in about one of my favorites, not Teddlers of all times,
Speaker 1: Salomon king Uh. He made things like Nine and a
Speaker 1: Half Week, The Red Shoe Diaries, and Wildforkids, most of
Speaker 1: the time in collaboration with his wife Patricia. Leaves me
Speaker 1: in an app uh moman kingdom like the idea of softcore,
Speaker 1: and I recently read an interview where she described their
Speaker 1: films together as emotional thrillers. So I was wondering if
Speaker 1: you guys could talk about some of your favorite emotional thrillers.
Speaker 1: I know none in a half week came up in
Speaker 1: your erotic Oddity, but I also want to half where
Speaker 1: you guys think all the great movie sex scenes have gone.
Speaker 1: I've been thinking a lot about this. I wrote about it,
Speaker 1: h but I think it's be an interesting thing to
Speaker 1: think about, and it lives dedicated to love in romance,
Speaker 1: and we haven't had a great movie sex scene in years.
Speaker 1: Thanks for being you, and I call uh excited to
Speaker 1: hear you guys talk about some Red Shoe Diaries. Wow,
Speaker 1: what a great nightcall. Excellent night call. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about it now too. What is the last
Speaker 1: great movie sex scene? Magic? N did that even have?
Speaker 1: A memorable sex scene that was just hot. It was
Speaker 1: just a sexy movie. I guess it's very rare. We
Speaker 1: get to thrusts, and when there are thrusts usually there's
Speaker 1: a really bad trend of this that I really associate
Speaker 1: with Girls the TV show that it would just smash
Speaker 1: cut to like fucking, like really aggressive like jackhammer fucking um,
Speaker 1: which I just that was like it was and it
Speaker 1: was used as a punchline. Then it was like like
Speaker 1: really explicit fucking, but like as a as a joke.
Speaker 1: There's definitely more sex on TV than ever there's and
Speaker 1: it's more it's more fun to watch at home. Maybe
Speaker 1: just just positing. But yeah, movies, movies maybe are losing
Speaker 1: ground in the sex scenes competition. Do you guys have
Speaker 1: what is the most recent great sex scene in a movie?
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what I'm trying to think of that.
Speaker 1: If it's not because like you seen a portrait of
Speaker 1: a lady on fire, Yeah, that just is coming out today.
Speaker 1: I think Properly had a small release heard that's very good.
Speaker 1: It's good, but it's actually not as like the sex
Speaker 1: that it has cool like love scenes, but they're not.
Speaker 1: But I don't I think if something that's not a
Speaker 1: sex scene more in that movie more than I think
Speaker 1: of like um, like an actual like sex act on
Speaker 1: like thes just like some cool very romantic moments in it,
Speaker 1: good kissing, like a lot of kissing scenes. Well, the
Speaker 1: horny ist movie I can think of of the recent
Speaker 1: past is probably Phantom Thread, which like doesn't have any
Speaker 1: sex scenes in it. It's just it's tense. It's just
Speaker 1: so much. Yeah, it's horny though. I think like when
Speaker 1: I think of the most explicit sex scenes that I've
Speaker 1: seen recently, they are m like two ladies usually like
Speaker 1: handmade in and um oh yeah handmade and had a
Speaker 1: good sex scene. That's probably the last good sex scene
Speaker 1: I can think of. And blue is the warmest color too,
Speaker 1: but both and I love Handmade. It's a great movie.
Speaker 1: But I think that the sex scenes do kind of
Speaker 1: your and like I think, very purposely so are very
Speaker 1: like frame, very like like made to be like like
Speaker 1: they do just come off as like objects or like
Speaker 1: like wood block kind of both of those especially. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we'll get to this later when we talk about
Speaker 1: today's feature The Hunger, which has a sexy lesbian sex scene.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I feel like Most of the sex scenes
Speaker 1: are in comedies in movies that I can think of,
Speaker 1: and they are generally like jokes, like played for a joke. Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: it seems like a problem. Look, we're here to remedy it.
Speaker 1: Nic wants to reboot the erotic thriller. Um, Yeah, what
Speaker 1: about like in The Boy next Door, a movie I
Speaker 1: haven't seen, but movie I haven't the most recent attempt
Speaker 1: to reboot the erotic thriller haven't seen it either. Now
Speaker 1: that's what we're Jennifer Lopez um has sex with The
Speaker 1: Boy next Door right where you know. What I just watched,
Speaker 1: which I totally enjoyed is What Lies Beneath? Oh, What
Speaker 1: Lies Beneath is so good. I've never seen it, and
Speaker 1: I totally enjoyed it. I like, like, a that was
Speaker 1: like a hot kind of a hot movie. But it
Speaker 1: was funny too, because there's like a whole part where
Speaker 1: they're supposed to be like, oh, like they're old funny.
Speaker 1: He's like trying to have sex in this long marriage,
Speaker 1: but it's like Harrison forda Michelle's. The biggest like innovation
Speaker 1: in the last ten fifteen years of movies has just
Speaker 1: been like trying to get the most awkward sex scenes
Speaker 1: possible on screen as some kind of active defiance. Maybe
Speaker 1: that's awesome, that's French extremism. It's the opposite think of
Speaker 1: the scene in Greenberg, which is like the worst sex
Speaker 1: scene of all time. There weren't even any sex scenes
Speaker 1: in Marriage Story. That was one of the things I
Speaker 1: was angry at. Not No nobody had sex in that movie.
Speaker 1: They just all talked a lot. Eline, did you see
Speaker 1: a Marriage Story? I would not see anything. You know
Speaker 1: about my Blue Valentine theory, it's the people who see
Speaker 1: Blue Valentine usually this again scientifically unproven, but I'm really
Speaker 1: sure that this is true. That they break up soon after,
Speaker 1: and then I felt like Marriage Story was definitely of
Speaker 1: that genre, of the breakout your love of genre, so
Speaker 1: I wouldn't see it. I mean, the only thing I
Speaker 1: really know about Marriage Story is that one clip that
Speaker 1: was all over the internet, the punching the wall, which
Speaker 1: had like such a bad representation. I didn't even love
Speaker 1: the movie. But it's just like that's only works because
Speaker 1: you've been it for like an hour and a half
Speaker 1: of though. It's just if it dips straight into it,
Speaker 1: it's hard. It had like the exact same energy as
Speaker 1: my last breakup, but me as both characters. I was
Speaker 1: just like, I really am never going to see that movie. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I respect that very much. We were a mostly anti
Speaker 1: marriage story podcast. It's our official stance is no. Do
Speaker 1: you think it's just like American puritanism? Like? Why why
Speaker 1: is this? It does seem? Or is it just because
Speaker 1: movies all have to be for babies? Now? Wait, why
Speaker 1: there's no good sex? Yeah, because you never see like
Speaker 1: superheroes sucking. Right, I don't think it's puritanism. I don't either,
Speaker 1: because there's so fucking it's just not like good sexcar is.
Speaker 1: But it is like a kind of um infantilization of
Speaker 1: most movies I think in reason Like I think that
Speaker 1: a lot of movies just like don't and I'm talking
Speaker 1: more about mainstream movies and about indie movies or foreign
Speaker 1: movies obviously, but I just don't think that like a
Speaker 1: lot of movies want to deal with that because they're
Speaker 1: trying to hit some kind of nice mainstream thing, which
Speaker 1: I think is different than being puritan It's more just
Speaker 1: like trying to be like, have all the edges standed
Speaker 1: off of something? Yeah, but you can still get plenty
Speaker 1: of that stuff, like you said on TV and in
Speaker 1: yeah indie foreign stuff. Yeah, but I don't know, I
Speaker 1: got to be in a dark room with strangers, is
Speaker 1: there No, Like I haven't seen uncut gems yet. There
Speaker 1: was no sex. The sex. Yeah, there's a very cute
Speaker 1: scene in it that is like sexy. Yeah, it's not
Speaker 1: a sex scene. No, I mean what happened Like definitely
Speaker 1: there was a period where you know, suddenly you could
Speaker 1: show sex in movies at the end of the sixties,
Speaker 1: and then became more and more until the eighties when
Speaker 1: it was like every movie had a sex scene, which
Speaker 1: is why that Wayne's World joke about the the sex scene,
Speaker 1: the gratuitous sex scene. Um. And then maybe it reached
Speaker 1: such a point of saturation that it had to go
Speaker 1: back down or it's just like maybe you're afraid that
Speaker 1: it will become kind of I mean, you know what, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is just a theory. What if it's that nobody
Speaker 1: really wants to have that kind of like sampled into
Speaker 1: a jif again, But you know, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: there's like this weird way that it could be taken
Speaker 1: as like a kind of just like the Imagerery lifted,
Speaker 1: and it feels that feels wrong somehow. I feel like
Speaker 1: there's like they show I mean we've all said, like
Speaker 1: they still show like fucking in movies, there's just no erotics.
Speaker 1: So I don't think there's Yeah, maybe it's like last
Speaker 1: gasps of patriarchy, like they just want to like only
Speaker 1: show like the like they don' want to show any
Speaker 1: for play or any like tension or any of the
Speaker 1: things that are like actually erotic. They just want to
Speaker 1: show like Yeah, I mean you could really think that
Speaker 1: like that none that stiff actually gets anyone off. And
Speaker 1: I think that a lot of people, especially very recently,
Speaker 1: are worried about having just like not good environments on
Speaker 1: sets when they shoot sex scenes. So you think it
Speaker 1: could be like the need to have an intimacy coordinator
Speaker 1: and everything. It just makes it. It kind of takes
Speaker 1: away like spontaneous that it predates that. But I think
Speaker 1: there's also just a mentality of like, well, I don't
Speaker 1: want to do anything that ends up being like objectifying
Speaker 1: somebody or or making anybody like feel uncomfortable or bad
Speaker 1: when they're making this, But then they don't find a
Speaker 1: way to do it in a way that makes people
Speaker 1: feel like, yeah, I think people being like, let's not try,
Speaker 1: rather than like, why is this hard for us? Is
Speaker 1: yeah the problem. I also, do you think that we
Speaker 1: really lose something if we don't have softcore? Softcore is delightful.
Speaker 1: I love Sophomore everything shot through that cinemax. Do you
Speaker 1: think about this all the time as being like one
Speaker 1: of the core dividers between old millennials and young millennials
Speaker 1: is that like we had the scrambled porn experience, you know,
Speaker 1: and like they didn't, And that joke in American Pie
Speaker 1: like doesn't make any sense anymore, but like that itself
Speaker 1: was the erotic experience. It was like trying to get
Speaker 1: the channel to come in for one second at a time,
Speaker 1: like furtively. You know, people have so much access to
Speaker 1: everything now. I wonder if it's like like you really
Speaker 1: had to search stuff out, you know, as a team
Speaker 1: that can also fill in, like for instead of the
Speaker 1: build up and like whatever cinematic thing you could do
Speaker 1: to make a sexy feel more romantic. It's like if you, personally,
Speaker 1: in the act of seeking it out, have to go
Speaker 1: through all this stuff, if you have to go in
Speaker 1: that weird room in the video store behind a curtain,
Speaker 1: like the coolest place in the world, you know, because
Speaker 1: you because the curtain says like, Oh, you're not supposed
Speaker 1: to be in here, but you are. I do remember that.
Speaker 1: Now that was a video stores and I was a
Speaker 1: little kid, like regular video stores how to curtain thing?
Speaker 1: Had the adult section beated curtains. I've forgotten that, And
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, can I go in there? I'm a
Speaker 1: fifteen year old girl or whatever, Like will somebody tell
Speaker 1: on me to put on my dark sunglasses? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: mean like I feel like some of the streamers too,
Speaker 1: they took the soft core sections like down off of
Speaker 1: their offerings, which I was like, that really betrays the
Speaker 1: ethos of cable to me, which is to like have
Speaker 1: a soft core section at night. Well, we really appreciate
Speaker 1: the call. This is something that's always on our minds. Yeah,
Speaker 1: at night call, if you have recent movie sex scenes
Speaker 1: that we're missing because we didn't come up with anything,
Speaker 1: So tell us your favorite recent sex scenes from movies,
Speaker 1: or have your theories ready about why the sex scene
Speaker 1: has disappeared. Yeah, and if you want night Call to
Speaker 1: reboot Red Shoe Diaries, Yeah, um, with us all wearing
Speaker 1: like velvet robes by a fire. That Wonderful is the
Speaker 1: Best is an anthology series with a narrator. Let us say, yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll be right back. Welcome back tonightcall. We are joined
Speaker 1: today by Elaine con Hello. Lane, Hello, you've been joining
Speaker 1: us so far, you're still joining us and joined. It's
Speaker 1: Valentine's Day, as we were saying, it won't be when
Speaker 1: you listen to this, but you'll still be bathing in
Speaker 1: the warm glow of processing the glow. Yeah. Um, Elaine,
Speaker 1: you were telling me that you wanted to talk about
Speaker 1: a little reality show. Oh yeah, Flirty Flirty Dancing. It's
Speaker 1: have you guys seen it? No, I don't know Hulu.
Speaker 1: But the way you said lt dance because I looked
Speaker 1: into it and I was like this American versions awful.
Speaker 1: Watched the American version, I think I said that, and
Speaker 1: then you were like, you don't understand. Okay. So it
Speaker 1: started out in England on the BBC and it's hosted
Speaker 1: by this like six foot five man named Ashley Banjo. Okay,
Speaker 1: and it's just like and first of all, they call
Speaker 1: in the UK. I don't know if you guys knows
Speaker 1: what they call single people Singleton's so like I know
Speaker 1: from the bridges. Yes, so they which just automatic. It
Speaker 1: adds this level of like just like cuteness to it
Speaker 1: and also like hoaking nous. But they just get like
Speaker 1: these very normal people from like small towns in England
Speaker 1: and set them up and the whole thing is like,
Speaker 1: so they've each learned. For those of you guys who
Speaker 1: have not seen flor dancing, each singleton learns one half
Speaker 1: of the dance and then the first time they ever
Speaker 1: meet they performed this choreographed duet together and in the
Speaker 1: UK version, it's just like it's like the most pure
Speaker 1: thing you've ever seen. It's like you're seeing just pure
Speaker 1: romantic hope, just like vibrating through the bodies of these people,
Speaker 1: like they always cry and they're like that was the
Speaker 1: most amazing thing I've ever done. So it's incredible. I
Speaker 1: bought a VPN just so I could watched it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but and then I found it was coming to America,
Speaker 1: and I got so excited. But then I found it
Speaker 1: in America. Of course they had to Now it's a competition. No,
Speaker 1: it was not a competition, but for it was just
Speaker 1: like I'm looking for love and like maybe it's with you,
Speaker 1: and together, we're going to try this out. And I'll
Speaker 1: be honest, I've looked into all of the couples and
Speaker 1: none of them have worked out, of course not but
Speaker 1: you see, for like, they all leave the dance being
Speaker 1: like this is true love, Like it's no but for real,
Speaker 1: like they're just like I've never seen such like pure
Speaker 1: human emotion captured on television. What are they dancing to?
Speaker 1: This is a difference, that's all. It runs the gamut.
Speaker 1: I used to have watched so you think you can
Speaker 1: dance in the first few seasons and that was all professional,
Speaker 1: It wasn't. I mean, I'm very drawn to the question
Speaker 1: about this. Especially the American version made me wonder if
Speaker 1: some of these people were pros. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: know about the American VISI cause, like I said, I
Speaker 1: only watched the first one. But in the UK version,
Speaker 1: they're definitely not pros. And in fact, it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: they'll be like, I don't know, like seniors who definitely
Speaker 1: cannot dance, and just like sort of good natured bros
Speaker 1: who just kind of like you know, basically have to
Speaker 1: like you know, hold their hands up while their partner
Speaker 1: you know, does circles around them, but it's you know,
Speaker 1: I only saw the one episode, the first episode the
Speaker 1: American version. It was just so outraged by I watched
Speaker 1: one in the middle of the American version and I
Speaker 1: guess the host is normally Jenna Duan, but it was
Speaker 1: like a British host. Maybe it was actually Banjos. It
Speaker 1: was it was it was a competition. It was a
Speaker 1: guy and it was like, you're going to dance with
Speaker 1: these two different women and like do the same routine
Speaker 1: with both of them and you all learn the parts
Speaker 1: separately and then you but then like when they did
Speaker 1: the routine, it was in like the terrarium of a
Speaker 1: botanical garden. I mean, that's that's true across both Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: the one that it was it was really nice. I
Speaker 1: guess it was like I was like, like at the
Speaker 1: end of Beauty and the Beast, you're like the Crystal
Speaker 1: past for some reason. Um, but well, they picked one
Speaker 1: of the people and I was like, I don't know
Speaker 1: that that was the person that they dance. They just
Speaker 1: picked he's hotter of course, or like who they think whatever,
Speaker 1: it's not, it just it really the whole point of
Speaker 1: the British show is that it's like it's like quaint
Speaker 1: and it's like for people who hope and like the
Speaker 1: whole idea of like that it's just a competition, Like
Speaker 1: that's just it's really not in the spirit a flirty
Speaker 1: dancing flirty. I mean, it's just if you can watch
Speaker 1: the I mean, it's if you can watch the British version.
Speaker 1: Like I cry every time I said it doesn't go anywhere.
Speaker 1: I feel like, like learning to do a dance, especially
Speaker 1: if you're not a professional dancer and you don't do
Speaker 1: that all the time, and like the thrill of the
Speaker 1: accomplishment of it is like a very very kind of
Speaker 1: like almost prival you fork. Yeah, And it feels like,
Speaker 1: I mean like they had like a Bachelor, you know,
Speaker 1: they always have people. They just do the fast version
Speaker 1: of that, which is they just make people to involve
Speaker 1: clips stick there and then like when they're not dead,
Speaker 1: then they have this like hyper adrenaline rush of like
Speaker 1: I'm not dead. The Bachelor is like Midsummer it is, yeah, basically,
Speaker 1: like but like the whole thing of like finding a
Speaker 1: way like that feels like a much more humane way
Speaker 1: to capture a very very basic human emotion, like where
Speaker 1: you kind of like have some sort of sense of
Speaker 1: accomplishment and you go through an unusual circumstance with another
Speaker 1: person for the first time, and it's like wow, oh
Speaker 1: my god, it's like the movie Speed and it's not.
Speaker 1: It's also like their bodies actually have to move together,
Speaker 1: like a lot of times there's like lifts and stuff
Speaker 1: in it. So they really have to they really have
Speaker 1: to like develop this sense of trust that's not as
Speaker 1: simple as just like jumping off bridge or whatever. They
Speaker 1: have to like yeah, and they actually have to come
Speaker 1: yeah exactly. They have to communicate physically and they're not
Speaker 1: allowed to talk at all even after the dance is over. Well,
Speaker 1: they're also another show. I ended up doing a deep
Speaker 1: dive on dating reality show to learn everything about it. Um.
Speaker 1: There's another show called sing Date, which is the same
Speaker 1: premise of Flority Dancing, but was singing you do a
Speaker 1: duet together but cannot talk. It is another UK show,
Speaker 1: so maybe um. And then I learned that one of
Speaker 1: the most popular shows is a Chinese bachelor style dating
Speaker 1: show called if You Are the One UM that has
Speaker 1: been on for ten years. UM and a contestant went
Speaker 1: viral for the phrase for saying on a date. Um,
Speaker 1: I'd rather cry in a BMW than smile on a bicycle.
Speaker 1: And it became it became a meme. Um, and people,
Speaker 1: I know, that's the most depressing. Apparently people were like
Speaker 1: a million think pieces about it about like what does
Speaker 1: this mean, Like people are abandoning bicycles for cars. Um,
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess I like to be like protected
Speaker 1: from the elements. For some siling on a bicycle is
Speaker 1: like one of the best feelings in the world. Well teeth,
Speaker 1: it was a good turn of phrase. Stop being Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't like it anymore. Yeah, I mean I don't
Speaker 1: like it, but I like um that there's like just
Speaker 1: Parallel Bachelors because it had like the same logic as
Speaker 1: the Bachelor, but instead of the rose ceremony, there's something
Speaker 1: that's called like a heartometer, you know. Um. There was
Speaker 1: a show called Sexy Beasts that was a dating show
Speaker 1: where they put one person in a prosthetic monster suit
Speaker 1: and then they had to go on dates with people
Speaker 1: where the people had to see through to your real personality. Wow. Um,
Speaker 1: there's one Anotherlands another Lands show, Dutch show, a Dutch
Speaker 1: dating show called Dating in the Dark. Dotton and Head,
Speaker 1: a reality show created in the Netherlands where three single
Speaker 1: men and three single women move into a tight house
Speaker 1: getting to know each other. I know, isn't that a nightmare?
Speaker 1: There's it sounds horrible the form bonds in total darkness.
Speaker 1: You know what would be awful about that is your
Speaker 1: other senses being so heightened that you're so aware of
Speaker 1: the different smells of people. Is that what you were thinking?
Speaker 1: That was actually what I was. That's a really sent
Speaker 1: to austrophobia. Isn't that all like sex appeal is? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I don't like being robbed of all other faculties
Speaker 1: and being like just sniff mean bag and pick pickup bag.
Speaker 1: There's all smells good. There's also a couple of shows
Speaker 1: that are just TOPI in the other direction that are
Speaker 1: um like where you never meet somebody except virtually, where
Speaker 1: it's like the circle, but instead of it's it's just
Speaker 1: like everyone's in a different room and they just like
Speaker 1: talk in a chat room and decide who they want
Speaker 1: to be with the most. But they can't see each other.
Speaker 1: They can't see each other, they can only talk on
Speaker 1: one They're all ways of not letting people see you
Speaker 1: hot they are. That's all of these are about. Well,
Speaker 1: that's what like Flirty Dancing sounds so nice because it
Speaker 1: feels like a real anecdote to like like like, why
Speaker 1: would you go on a show like that where you
Speaker 1: can't see people, You're only looking at people on an app?
Speaker 1: Like that's just light. There's one called Dating Alone that's
Speaker 1: the South Korean dating game show that's more like a
Speaker 1: dating sim where it's like you you're going on a
Speaker 1: date with simone. It's like to teach men to be
Speaker 1: better at dating theoretically. Um, this is a great wi Yeah. Um.
Speaker 1: Doce Corazonis is a Telemundo dating show that's based around
Speaker 1: the zodiac. Oh, I'd watch it doesn't seem like a
Speaker 1: good idea. Um. And then Love Cruise is an American
Speaker 1: reality show um featuring sixteen men competing sixteen singles competing
Speaker 1: for a two dollar prize. Uh. The original premier date
Speaker 1: of the show is September eleventh, two thousand one. But
Speaker 1: it was good. I do think of the peak of
Speaker 1: reality TV as being like the period. Yeah, one of
Speaker 1: my favorite reality shows, but it was also like a
Speaker 1: very brutal watch and felt very morally wrong. Was a
Speaker 1: show called Solitary that I think I talked about on
Speaker 1: Girls and Hoodies ones, but it was people they had
Speaker 1: like a robot voice they could talk to, but that
Speaker 1: was the only the only communication they had, and they
Speaker 1: were each in their own little like horrible cell um,
Speaker 1: and they just didn't have any human contact, and it
Speaker 1: was like how long can you go? But I never
Speaker 1: really liked The Bachelor. I think, you know, when I
Speaker 1: would contrast it with solitary because the dating shows like
Speaker 1: finding connection, you know, like whoe Emily, it sounds like
Speaker 1: you just entered an IMAX experience. For some reason, I
Speaker 1: really like the like total absence of connection and reality
Speaker 1: TV sometimes because it seemed more honest than the fabricated
Speaker 1: romantic connections. I'm like, when you're watching someone just kind
Speaker 1: of like lose it from being alone for so long
Speaker 1: versus like trying to make themselves to you guys find
Speaker 1: The Bachelor pleasurable. I've never seen it. I hate I don't.
Speaker 1: I really don't. And it's like one of those things
Speaker 1: where I'm like, I don't understand people who like this,
Speaker 1: but I like lots of other stuff that's similar to this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I tried watching one episode because I have so many
Speaker 1: friends who are so into it. One of my friends
Speaker 1: actually does a podcast that's a college show about the Bachelor.
Speaker 1: But I tried watching one episode. It just seems so horrible.
Speaker 1: Well it seems so fake and so it's really hard
Speaker 1: to crack the veneer. But we all when we worked
Speaker 1: at Grantland together, it was like a huge thing. So
Speaker 1: that's we were all kind of forced to watch, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of people. I feel like I watched it
Speaker 1: for work, probably for about four there's so much of it. Really,
Speaker 1: you did work on that on Bachelor because you did
Speaker 1: like interviews with people. Yeah, and I became friends with
Speaker 1: the Celis Opera of yours, Yeah, Charley Joyce. I understand
Speaker 1: why people why people get obsessed with it, but it's
Speaker 1: not for me. I feel that way about Banderpump Rolls
Speaker 1: though I just went, well, there's also I think it's
Speaker 1: one of those things also that doesn't really sit right
Speaker 1: post it feels like a super conservative show, and it
Speaker 1: felt like a super conservative show. Yeah, but I think
Speaker 1: even more so, it's one of those things where you
Speaker 1: really put the glasses on and you see it for
Speaker 1: what it is. I feel like it's i mean, like
Speaker 1: the only way that I really do understand it is.
Speaker 1: I'm like, it is the best critique of heterosexuality is
Speaker 1: an idea because it's like insane. It's like, okay, you
Speaker 1: go on dates with all these women, but it's like
Speaker 1: also the sexual politics of it just make no sense
Speaker 1: where it's like you have to have sex with them
Speaker 1: at the end. That's so you're like you're not you
Speaker 1: might get not chosen because you have sex with them. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I once did a whole like drunk ted
Speaker 1: talk on on the Fantasy Suite on the concepts of
Speaker 1: the fan to see suite because it was such a
Speaker 1: The way that's treated on the show is again like
Speaker 1: we're going back to like the idea of depicting sex.
Speaker 1: It's like treated in such a weird like we can't
Speaker 1: say what this actually is. But also we are pushing
Speaker 1: these people towards it and we want them to go
Speaker 1: into the box, but we're not going to see what
Speaker 1: happened from the box when they're in the box. But
Speaker 1: so the idea was and they talk about what happened afterwards,
Speaker 1: but you don't get to see and that is very
Speaker 1: American to be like we're selling the sex, but we're
Speaker 1: not going to show you because we can't have on television,
Speaker 1: but like, yeah, on British television they would just show it. Actually,
Speaker 1: I like Love Island, which is just like The Bachelor
Speaker 1: but stupid. It's so good and I only like the
Speaker 1: British version because it's all really good slang um. It
Speaker 1: is very like, yeah, it's just people from all over
Speaker 1: England going on a holiday. Well, Molly, you're also really
Speaker 1: into naked and afraid for a while, because it's like
Speaker 1: the opposite, that's what I'm saying, where they're like, you're naked,
Speaker 1: it's like a man and a woman. Usually you're naked
Speaker 1: and you're in the wildern you're afraid, like they I
Speaker 1: don't think they ever end up hooking up one time.
Speaker 1: I'm not even sure they never hook up, but they
Speaker 1: have to huddle together for warms. It's kind of like
Speaker 1: the opposite of the fantasy suite because the expectation is
Speaker 1: is like completely non sexual, but they're naked, so it's
Speaker 1: like nudity becomes non sexual really fast if you can
Speaker 1: let people have it. It's when you like keep people
Speaker 1: away from it that it becomes this really fetishized thing.
Speaker 1: That's why we're so fucked up in America's many reasons
Speaker 1: why but you know, if you guys, did anybody here
Speaker 1: ever see sex Box, which I think also was a
Speaker 1: British show. First, what is sex box? Oh? You have
Speaker 1: sex in a box. Sex boxes where there's a box
Speaker 1: on the stage. It's in front of a studio audience
Speaker 1: and couples come on and they talk about the sexual
Speaker 1: problems we're having and then they go have sex in
Speaker 1: the box. Yeah. Well in the box you can't see.
Speaker 1: So the box has four and then they come out
Speaker 1: and they're wearing robes. And this was also a Nathan
Speaker 1: for you. I was just thinking of Nathan the cube
Speaker 1: that they put in the hotel. Yeah, such a good idea.
Speaker 1: It's a great idea. You could have sex without your kids. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was a good product idea. Well, we'll be right
Speaker 1: back with another story about sex boxes. The Hunger Welcome
Speaker 1: back to Night Call. As part of our Spooky Love February,
Speaker 1: we watched Choice of Emily's for a spooky romance, Tony
Speaker 1: Scott's The Hunger, first Tony Scott directorial, the first Tony
Speaker 1: Scott film. Um, yeah, I love this movie. I've seen
Speaker 1: it a couple of times before. Um, and then I
Speaker 1: realized it fit into it fit perfectly into spooky love,
Speaker 1: and it's a really good like. I think a lot
Speaker 1: of vampire movies can be metaphors for different kinds of things,
Speaker 1: but this is the one that's really about having a
Speaker 1: bunch of xes that you keep in coffins in your attic.
Speaker 1: Like that's what this is about. It is another Whitley
Speaker 1: Streamer Striber. We never decided it's a Whitley s joints.
Speaker 1: He of course wrote Communion, which we did as a
Speaker 1: night called book club pick Um, and we all had
Speaker 1: like middling opinions changed, we felt changed. All of Whitley
Speaker 1: Striber's books appear to be about people changing forms from
Speaker 1: one form to another, whether it be like sexy alien
Speaker 1: or a sexy wolf apparently is another one. I think
Speaker 1: all of his films, if not all of them, have
Speaker 1: been adapted into films too, Like he did the book
Speaker 1: that The Day After Tomorrow was based on. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: like getting paid for his nothing but beggars. I mean,
Speaker 1: have you seen The Hunger? Yeah? I watched it last night.
Speaker 1: What's what are your thoughts? I mean, I really liked it.
Speaker 1: My main takeaway was the way that they did eyeshadow.
Speaker 1: I know, I tried today. Actually, I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: it's like all the way to their brow and it
Speaker 1: looks so good. It looks like a sunset and it's
Speaker 1: actually like a note this weird like microcosm for the
Speaker 1: entire aesthetic of the film, like just on their eyelid,
Speaker 1: like all of the colors, the gauzy fabrics, the blood,
Speaker 1: the gauziest movies. There's so much fog in all those rooms.
Speaker 1: There's there's mideral like scars. I truly hated this movie.
Speaker 1: I will wait for my turn. I was so yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just hated it. Like keeps saying spicy,
Speaker 1: if we had all the same opinion all the time,
Speaker 1: wouldn't be as fun. I liked the aesthetic a lot,
Speaker 1: but I felt like in the beginning, first twenty minutes,
Speaker 1: which okay, so spoiler spoilers, David Bowie is like aging
Speaker 1: really fast, and initially I was like, this is going
Speaker 1: to be a sexy movie. Correct, like it seems that way.
Speaker 1: And then there was the whole incident with like the
Speaker 1: monkeys eating each other and then dying really graphically, and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, just like the lawnmower man in right, like,
Speaker 1: well it not really, that's the thing. So Tony Scott,
Speaker 1: I think was criticized in the original coverage of this
Speaker 1: movie for like just totally subverting the plot in favor
Speaker 1: of the gauze. And it was delicious gauze. It was like,
Speaker 1: it was a very sensually visual movie, but the plot
Speaker 1: there were so many times when it seemed to be
Speaker 1: chugging away in a certain direction and then it's just
Speaker 1: like derailed. And then by the end of the movie,
Speaker 1: I was like, what what happened? Like so okay, another problem. Then,
Speaker 1: I was telling Molly before we started recording, I could
Speaker 1: not stop fixating on the fact that there's a scene
Speaker 1: where a child takes polaroid pictures of David Bowie and
Speaker 1: of Katherine Deneuve. As we all know, vampires cannot be photographed,
Speaker 1: nor do they have reflections in the mirror. So David
Speaker 1: Bowie is only part vampire, but Katherine Deneuva is full vampire.
Speaker 1: Why is there a polaroid of her face? Well, this
Speaker 1: movie clearly just not play by the vampire player. This
Speaker 1: is my only beef with it, Like I love a
Speaker 1: vampire movie or show that really really plays by the
Speaker 1: rules and like has fun with the rules. This one
Speaker 1: is just like a real true like DayWalker movie. They're
Speaker 1: just like normal, glamorous people that don't die like that.
Speaker 1: That's basically they used the amulet. They never say they
Speaker 1: are vampire in the movie, which means maybe they're not vampire,
Speaker 1: they're just blood drink In the book apparently, and at
Speaker 1: least Striver's book was that he was sort of treating
Speaker 1: vampires is sort of a sci fi concept, so it's
Speaker 1: like a species of human or a kind of human.
Speaker 1: It's like can be explained through like their blood and
Speaker 1: hence like why somebody could have a blood transfusion and
Speaker 1: take on a lot of the qualities of the vampire
Speaker 1: without being a vampire. So that was sort of the
Speaker 1: difference of his the conceit of the book, which is
Speaker 1: not super explicitly laid out in the movie. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think, like it's not super satisfying
Speaker 1: to me as like a vampire movie the opening five minutes.
Speaker 1: But I thought it was going to be more like
Speaker 1: Interview of the Vampire, and it was going to be
Speaker 1: about like this couple that's like doomed to live together
Speaker 1: forever in their fancy and then I thought, then I
Speaker 1: was getting especially when they're in the townhouse. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is about Jeffrey Epstein and Jesse x Well. Of course,
Speaker 1: um but it was like the I do find those
Speaker 1: those fancy New York town houses with the marble walls
Speaker 1: to be like the most creepy places. Well also because
Speaker 1: they never turn on the lights ever ever, and not
Speaker 1: that I was like, because they're vampires. But if they're
Speaker 1: vampires again, they wouldn't have reflections, and they do, so
Speaker 1: they just prefer the darkness. Why you combine all these
Speaker 1: things I hate of like people who like to play
Speaker 1: piano and make you listen, people who like to never
Speaker 1: return on the lights, people who dust when people come
Speaker 1: over and they don't talk, they just dust. Why are
Speaker 1: not a god? Why are vampires so posh? Always? Well,
Speaker 1: I feel like the whole thing like, at least in
Speaker 1: recent modern histories that like vampires are about an anxiety
Speaker 1: about some kind of wealthy class leaching off of people.
Speaker 1: Um Like I feel like that's like they're aristocratic, Like
Speaker 1: they're very rarely poor. That's what I'm saying, They're very
Speaker 1: rarely poor. Vampires always aristocratics because I think like it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, zombie movies are kind of about being anxiety
Speaker 1: of like your neighbors, like your everyday people you know
Speaker 1: in life, just being like completely are about or about
Speaker 1: the fear of poor people. Know, they're about like alienation
Speaker 1: from your fellow man, whereas I think the vampire movies
Speaker 1: are much more about like, there are rich people out there,
Speaker 1: who will you know, zap all your resources and your
Speaker 1: emotional your emotional and financial resources. And did did you
Speaker 1: feel as though this was like a metaphor for drug addiction?
Speaker 1: At first I was wondering. I had a bunch of thoughts,
Speaker 1: but then in the end I felt as though it
Speaker 1: had to be a metaphor for drug addiction, which I
Speaker 1: feel like is also a common kind of vampire uh
Speaker 1: tie in. I think that the way that the vampiresm
Speaker 1: is depicted is definitely like very overtly like junkie type imagery.
Speaker 1: But I think that the story itself, which is why
Speaker 1: I like it and why I enjoyed questioning it today
Speaker 1: on Valentine's Day, is really like explicitly about having past
Speaker 1: loves and about like again keeping your exces uh in
Speaker 1: coffins in your attic. Uh, just like this idea of like,
Speaker 1: when you start a relationship with somebody, it feels like
Speaker 1: forever and ever uh, as David Bowie says in the Shower, uh.
Speaker 1: And and then you know an event inevitably has to
Speaker 1: end and then you have to like live with that
Speaker 1: coffin in you're attic. It's also kind of like, that's
Speaker 1: what because the what do you call it? The tagline
Speaker 1: of the movie or whatever, it's no human love is forever,
Speaker 1: No human loves forever, something like that. So it made
Speaker 1: me think that like the whole reason because it was confused.
Speaker 1: One of the confusing things is why does he start aging?
Speaker 1: What trigger is that? And then I started thinking, because
Speaker 1: of the movie tagline or logline whatever it is, that
Speaker 1: it's she has fallen out of love with him, and
Speaker 1: that's why he starts to age. And that definitely I
Speaker 1: feel like supports Emily your your hypothesis about it being
Speaker 1: about excess. And that was also the most horrifying part
Speaker 1: of the scariest part of Far Yeah. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: the attic full of the yeah when you realize that
Speaker 1: there's all when she's like, you know, keep keep him company,
Speaker 1: Lalia or whatever, the Katherine is so good. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I mean Katherine ends. Yeah, I mean, just for that alone,
Speaker 1: this movie rules, I thought, but I understand. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean that's the thing too. It's also, like I just
Speaker 1: it was became several different things that I thought it
Speaker 1: was going to be. Um, it turned into a lesbian
Speaker 1: vampire movie, which is another type of vampire movie. Um.
Speaker 1: And there's like a long history of lesbian vampires. Uh.
Speaker 1: There's a book called Carmilla that's like the female Dracula,
Speaker 1: and Carmilla is all about like a you know, a
Speaker 1: baroness or something who was secretly a vampire. But she's
Speaker 1: also like praying on this girl in her sleep, and
Speaker 1: the girl like maybe gets into it. Um. So I
Speaker 1: do think it's also a metaphor for closetedness in a way.
Speaker 1: It felt like to makes sense, That makes sense. I
Speaker 1: think like a lot of vampire stories end up feeling
Speaker 1: like some kind of closet it like like not being
Speaker 1: able to like you have to kind of initiate people
Speaker 1: into being the kind of person that you are in
Speaker 1: order to spend time with them or spend your life.
Speaker 1: Wait until your name, wait until you see the Lost Boys? Yeah,
Speaker 1: did you guys know that Susan Sarandon was not born
Speaker 1: Susan Because I did not know that, and that's her
Speaker 1: married name and from her first for the first was
Speaker 1: Prince humperd Ink and Princess Bride. That really blew my mind.
Speaker 1: Actually hump, it's like that. Yeah, I didn't either, and
Speaker 1: I was like, I just assumed that she, like you know,
Speaker 1: came onto this earth. But one uh, this this movie
Speaker 1: is will always be remembered as the movie that David
Speaker 1: Bowie and Susan Sarandon hook up during, which is very
Speaker 1: interesting I think when you watch this movie, because it's
Speaker 1: not necessarily who you think would hook up while film.
Speaker 1: He said he was scared of Katherine Deneuve, who is
Speaker 1: when character, Yeah, because they barely share any scenes except
Speaker 1: for the kind of hospital scenes where he's waiting around
Speaker 1: in the waiting room. But they are I would say,
Speaker 1: they're to me the two hottest people in the movie,
Speaker 1: So maybe it makes sense. Kevin de Neuve is pretty hot,
Speaker 1: I'm but that's also why it's like a hard movie
Speaker 1: in terms of the like sexual tension, because he's like
Speaker 1: a thousand years old the first minutes and then may
Speaker 1: kiss he kisses when he's like basically just kind of
Speaker 1: crumbling and it's so intense. Again, I was anticipating something.
Speaker 1: I think if I had been better prepared, I was like,
Speaker 1: let's have some candles put on the Hunger to deal
Speaker 1: with death, like And I think that that's another thing
Speaker 1: that we like about it as a vampire movie, because
Speaker 1: like a lot of vampire movies are about the fantasy
Speaker 1: I'm never dying and always staying young and beautiful, and
Speaker 1: this is about like really like you know, the first
Speaker 1: few minutes of the movie when it's like with the
Speaker 1: Bella legostis dead, the whole bath housing at the club,
Speaker 1: which is like I was watching this at the front
Speaker 1: and I was like, I think this is like how
Speaker 1: I thought like being an adult would be, Like like,
Speaker 1: this is what I thought it would be like the
Speaker 1: adult was like the first five minutes of The Hunger um.
Speaker 1: But but that's like so cool and it's like everybody's
Speaker 1: so beautiful and it's hot, and then you go into
Speaker 1: rapid aging straight out of that, and I think that
Speaker 1: that's like super intentional. Like I think that you cannot
Speaker 1: appreciate one without the other. You can't appreciate the tragedy
Speaker 1: of like becoming a corpse before your lover's eyes without
Speaker 1: like having just seen like something super carnal and and
Speaker 1: and erotic and everything right before that. That makes sense.
Speaker 1: I also saw it though in terms of like because
Speaker 1: because I think if you go with the drug metaphor,
Speaker 1: then it becomes something else to you of how your
Speaker 1: life becomes punctuated by like these brief highs, you know,
Speaker 1: where it's like you're you're having like super intense sex,
Speaker 1: or like you're in the shower and you're doing like
Speaker 1: the super intense making out, and then the next minute,
Speaker 1: like it's almost like you lose patches of time and
Speaker 1: when you come to your old you know, so it's
Speaker 1: almost like your life is just like these brief bursts
Speaker 1: of joy and otherwise nothing. It's like the bathtub scene
Speaker 1: in The Shining where it's like the hot chick turns
Speaker 1: to the falling apart old lady in your arms. But
Speaker 1: it's yeah, the same thing with a dude, and that
Speaker 1: dude is David Bowie. So it's especially sad because I
Speaker 1: bring him back. No, there's nobody that you could put
Speaker 1: like cast in that role. But it's also yeah, it's
Speaker 1: also like now that David Bowie the person is dead,
Speaker 1: it is interesting to be like, oh, but he is
Speaker 1: preserved in his like perfect forever form in this movie
Speaker 1: and other movies. Being in movies makes you a real vampire. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and but I guess I mean, like there's nobody that
Speaker 1: seems more immortal, like when you're watching this movie and
Speaker 1: it's like, so to have that person just great in
Speaker 1: real time, it's just like it's very alarming. Totally. It
Speaker 1: feels like very upsetting to watch. Um. Not a lot
Speaker 1: of jokes in this movie is one more thing where
Speaker 1: there so there was no one had a sense of humor.
Speaker 1: All the stuff with Susan Sarandon's boyfriend was funny to me.
Speaker 1: I think it was funny when they when all of
Speaker 1: the like doctors were in a room chain smoking and
Speaker 1: apparently ashing into like a mouse's cage or so. I
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, maybe I could laugh, or maybe that's
Speaker 1: just like factual eighties. Who knows, No, I mean it's
Speaker 1: very very eighties. Um, but it does also feel like
Speaker 1: it's early eighties. It isn't just gratuitous sex scenes. It
Speaker 1: is still kind of art movie sex scenes that like
Speaker 1: our integral to the plot and also like pretty hot,
Speaker 1: but you can see how it's like paving the way
Speaker 1: to just like full on music video like top gun
Speaker 1: type sex scenes that everybody would make fun of a eventually. Um,
Speaker 1: but it does feel like it opens with a blood rave. Um.
Speaker 1: It feels kind of like a eurotrash version of Blade
Speaker 1: a little bit at you know again, what I thought
Speaker 1: it would be like right like if you put if
Speaker 1: you put Blade through like a soft core filter machine,
Speaker 1: it would become the Hunger, which I fully I'm on
Speaker 1: board with the aesthetic. Something I really appreciated about the
Speaker 1: movie was I've always thought in horror you see so
Speaker 1: many kind of hot young women get murdered, and it
Speaker 1: was nice and a number of hot young men. I
Speaker 1: just I like that and very one dimensional, like it's
Speaker 1: just man in sunglasses and now he's gone slash that
Speaker 1: guy who they bring in to feed Susan Soranda. Then
Speaker 1: when they get Katherina to not brings into seat her,
Speaker 1: he's like doing an impression of Christian Bale and American Psycho.
Speaker 1: The American Psycho, but he also looks like Christian Bale.
Speaker 1: It's very weird, isn't that sucked up? Though? That we're like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, like slashers, but for her, I was really
Speaker 1: into it. Uncut gems spoilers, but like when they like
Speaker 1: stuffed Adam Sandler and the car trunk and like ripped
Speaker 1: all his clothes, It's like, great, more of this, and
Speaker 1: or just like all the stuff people say about like
Speaker 1: women in slashers and like maybe the opposite is true,
Speaker 1: like if it's men, I'm also like robbed them of
Speaker 1: their Asian for my pleasure. I am the ancient Egyptian
Speaker 1: vampire queen this place. Now you hate vampires. I love
Speaker 1: the ancient Egyptian vampire. The ancient That was a weird too.
Speaker 1: They were just like here, she is ancient egypt knows
Speaker 1: how tommify people part of the genre. He always gets
Speaker 1: a flashback to them at different time periods. Her head
Speaker 1: dress which sort of like a nurse's hat, which I like, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, they did not do the hysterically. It was
Speaker 1: just funny to be like how much of vampire and
Speaker 1: goth culture is just likes punk culture, you know. Or
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, a bunch of people with like
Speaker 1: good I makeup and silly like yeah, it's like and
Speaker 1: all the smoking indoors is so goss you know, just
Speaker 1: like I love that. It's just like what would vampire
Speaker 1: do if they would take up smoking? Because of course, yeah,
Speaker 1: who cares premature? We should definitely watch Death Becomes hermes
Speaker 1: Her so she went as Death Becomes Her for help
Speaker 1: me and my best friend when we're in like we're
Speaker 1: really little and I remember I wore this like weird
Speaker 1: strapless dress that my mom had taken in for me
Speaker 1: and just got a black circle just like for like,
Speaker 1: the Death Becomes Her is also a movie about like
Speaker 1: female vanity and vampire type stuff. Really we should watch it.
Speaker 1: It's very good. Triangle. Um yeah, well, I'm like, so
Speaker 1: what was the verdict for everybody on Hunger? Because I
Speaker 1: just like it's such a I'm just so happy all
Speaker 1: the time. I felt like I was like, this is
Speaker 1: like when I made you guys watch Reds. It's like
Speaker 1: I can't have an opinion on it. That is like
Speaker 1: like I wish I'd seen it earlier. Really is when
Speaker 1: it made me. I feel like I would have loved
Speaker 1: it if I had seen it when I was a teenager.
Speaker 1: And now I was like into it, but I was
Speaker 1: a little bit like there could be a little more
Speaker 1: plot happening in this movie. Sure. Yeah, I thought it
Speaker 1: had a lot of great ingredients. I blame Tony Scott
Speaker 1: entirely for why I didn't like it. That's that's whose
Speaker 1: fault it is. He gave. He gave it some great things,
Speaker 1: but I think he just like it felt like he
Speaker 1: it was. It goes in real smooth. Well, the studio
Speaker 1: made them put a different ending on it, you guys.
Speaker 1: That's yeah. Molly was telling me that earlier too. I
Speaker 1: didn't know that, um where I think you were saying.
Speaker 1: Susan Surrandon really objected to that. Yeah, because um spoilers.
Speaker 1: Apparently in the book, Susan Srandon's character kills herself for
Speaker 1: at least in the original script, because she's like, I'd
Speaker 1: rather die than be an addict. Um, And they sort
Speaker 1: of like have that scene and then just cut her
Speaker 1: where she cuts her throat and then forces her blood
Speaker 1: into Miriam's mouth. Yeah, that's great, It's it's it's good. Well, Emily,
Speaker 1: you love vampire movies. I love vampire movies. Have been
Speaker 1: watching a lot of them recently. Um. One of my
Speaker 1: recent fades that I watched somewhat recently, there was Only
Speaker 1: Lovers Left Alive. I feel like I put some songs
Speaker 1: or something from that on a night comics recently. But
Speaker 1: that one is like, I mean, there's always kind of
Speaker 1: just the fun, glamour part of a vampire movie where
Speaker 1: it's like, what would I do if I could just
Speaker 1: live forever and have every single experience and and read
Speaker 1: every book and only overs left alive? Is like definitely
Speaker 1: about that. Like there's this wonderful part where like teld
Speaker 1: this win has test to get on a plane, so
Speaker 1: she packs her bag, but she's a vampire, so what
Speaker 1: does she need. It just takes like a suitcase full
Speaker 1: of books, which is like so sweet and like kind
Speaker 1: of like, yeah, I guess if you had really been
Speaker 1: around for like five hundred years, you would just like
Speaker 1: that's all you would really care about after a while.
Speaker 1: It's just like being intellectual. Simulation is just like having
Speaker 1: you stuff to think about because you probably get super bored.
Speaker 1: But the idea of like a long long of a
Speaker 1: long term relationship in that one where um, you know,
Speaker 1: you kind of have to find a way to make
Speaker 1: it work over over centuries, right, And that's like what
Speaker 1: makes vampire movies sometimes very romantic is that idea, and
Speaker 1: also of like, you know, working around a person's house
Speaker 1: like being a vampire, you know, agreeing to become a
Speaker 1: vampire because you like that so much. Um, and also
Speaker 1: just the thing of like, well we're kind of stuck together. Huh. Well,
Speaker 1: that's that's why the Hunger is sucked up twos because
Speaker 1: it's like it is like the feeling of somebody being like, oh,
Speaker 1: you thought we were in this together. Just kidding, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't realize this. This is sort of sucked up.
Speaker 1: But like I've read it just on the Wikipedia summary,
Speaker 1: which is like when um, when John David Bowie's character
Speaker 1: kills the girl that's been taking music lessons from them,
Speaker 1: it's like, apparently it was because Miriam Katherine Dene's character
Speaker 1: was like grooming her to be her like her next
Speaker 1: kind of consort. After I mean, I think that's a
Speaker 1: little uncomfortable. That was too for you. Well, it was
Speaker 1: a little too Epstein for me, and it was also
Speaker 1: giving me kind of like Kirsten Dunston interview with the
Speaker 1: vampire Vites. But that's what I thought was gonna happen
Speaker 1: in the movie. That that that was me about this couple,
Speaker 1: Like taking in like a younger girl as their like
Speaker 1: weird consort. It was not that, but that death scene
Speaker 1: is gnarly. Yah. Yeah, it's very upsetting. Yeah. I feel
Speaker 1: like they think like because they don't fight people, as
Speaker 1: you said, but they have these little oncs that they
Speaker 1: stabbed people with um and I feel like I was
Speaker 1: thinking about that. I was like, I feel like maybe
Speaker 1: there was a stink on vampire movies at the time
Speaker 1: or something that I guess this is like post hammer
Speaker 1: horror and stuff, like maybe it was seen as too
Speaker 1: like cheesy or something to have people fighting next. I
Speaker 1: think vampire is like a classy version thing. I don't
Speaker 1: know vampires. It's like some of the basic things remain
Speaker 1: the same across every vampire movie. But yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously this is better than like Twilight to my mind
Speaker 1: in terms of characterizations of vampires. Also, Elaine and I
Speaker 1: are both redheads, so like you are essentially vampires. There's
Speaker 1: nothing I always relate to the like living in the
Speaker 1: night part of it, of the like why would you
Speaker 1: be out in the sun? Ever, they go out in
Speaker 1: the sun. Though. I really liked this movie, but I
Speaker 1: do wish it had stuck a little more to the
Speaker 1: vampire rules, at least with the pictures. It's strange to
Speaker 1: because like, but the pictures, because I feel like pretty
Speaker 1: in the sun is more. It's not an emulsion. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's just polaroids. Maybe there's maybe maybe they up on
Speaker 1: an iPhone. I don't know, we don't know. Maybe vampires
Speaker 1: wear sunscreen. Talking about the sun, has the world gone
Speaker 1: upside down? Tess, what's your favorite vampire movie? That's that's tricky,
Speaker 1: don't put me on the spot. And what's your favorite
Speaker 1: vampire movie? The hunger? I was thinking about True Blood,
Speaker 1: which I was feeling like maybe I should go back
Speaker 1: and watching True Blood. Like watching it, it knows what
Speaker 1: it is to the rules really hard and and they
Speaker 1: have a lot of fun with it, and that's like
Speaker 1: one of the things, and they objectify men and women equally.
Speaker 1: And it's also actually when of the few poor vampires
Speaker 1: got a lot of representations, it actually a lot of
Speaker 1: carmuns like class and uh yeah. Although I feel like
Speaker 1: they set that up at the beginning that it was
Speaker 1: going to be about a lot of things, and then
Speaker 1: they were just kind of like it's just like the
Speaker 1: horny vampire. That's you know what that's good too. I
Speaker 1: think I have a weird allergy to to vampire movies.
Speaker 1: Um stretching back to college. Honestly, it was that, As
Speaker 1: many are aware, a roommate and I had a long
Speaker 1: standing feud because she watched Interview with a Vampire on
Speaker 1: repeat every day every day. I hadn't seen it, but
Speaker 1: then by the end of the week I'd seen it
Speaker 1: a lot, and I was like, Okay, I'm good now,
Speaker 1: but it kept going. How about Dracula Dead and Loving It? Sure,
Speaker 1: I'll go with that one. What about Bram Stoker's Dracula. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's my favorite. Yeah, I liked that one. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just I find them to often be humorless, I guess,
Speaker 1: like not always though, And Vampire in Brooklyn, I feel
Speaker 1: like that's that's like part of the goth like esthetic
Speaker 1: to humorists. It puts me ill at ease. It makes
Speaker 1: me feel like I'm like a human boopy cushion. Yeah
Speaker 1: would you? But yeah, we let the right one in.
Speaker 1: I just feel like, I think you're right too, because
Speaker 1: I also feel like if you were alive for thousands
Speaker 1: of years, you would be so funny. Only lovers love
Speaker 1: to life is funny in the way that I think
Speaker 1: a vampire would be funny. Like it's pretty dry and
Speaker 1: it's like I just want to kill myself. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's what I'm after. I trust Jim J is a
Speaker 1: Jim jarmish or yeah, yeah, it's great. Well we're very glamorous.
Speaker 1: Before we wrap up, can we delve into a little
Speaker 1: bit of sexual astrology close out with like, because just
Speaker 1: one line from sexual Aroogy so well intro sexual astrology. Please,
Speaker 1: I've been staring at this in front of Molly for
Speaker 1: a while. I just I thought test might own this
Speaker 1: book because she has a lot of good spot from
Speaker 1: the sixties and this is exactly there's like a missing
Speaker 1: place on my bookshelf where this belongs called sexual astrology.
Speaker 1: A sign by sign God to your Sensual Stars by Martin,
Speaker 1: and it's from nineteen seventy six by Martin. Is the
Speaker 1: only name Martine goes. It's your sign Pisces. Uh, happy
Speaker 1: almost birthday, Thank you almost birthday after a favorite day
Speaker 1: of the year. Well, would you like to know about
Speaker 1: pisces orogenous zone? Oh my god, sure, it might be
Speaker 1: too spicy. Anyway, the feet tyces will respond to gentle
Speaker 1: massage and caressing of the heel and arch. If you
Speaker 1: rub the toes between the paths of your fingers, or
Speaker 1: take them in your mouth and softly bite them, you
Speaker 1: will drive up Pisces mad with delight. They're like little,
Speaker 1: they're fish. I was just I was like, um. That
Speaker 1: actually turned my stomach trying. She has a flair for
Speaker 1: drama in the boutoir. Count on her to make the
Speaker 1: right moves, say the right things, create the right ambiance.
Speaker 1: She learns early about sex and her willingness to please.
Speaker 1: Rarely lets her say oh Christ, this books a little
Speaker 1: to places. She's sexually liberated and enjoys a wide range
Speaker 1: and variety of erotic byplay. It doesn't take much to
Speaker 1: arouse a Pisces woman watching a stag movie or reading
Speaker 1: the choice parts of a Today novel. We'll start her
Speaker 1: breathing heavily. Um. The one of the few times the
Speaker 1: Pisces woman enjoys the woman on top position is on
Speaker 1: a water bad is despicable. She likes to wear ear
Speaker 1: rings during sex. Apparently I will stop her in do
Speaker 1: people take out their earrings before they have sex? Like normally?
Speaker 1: I mean when I yeah, I haven't hearings in I'm
Speaker 1: just some bad hoop. Yeah hearings. That's true. That's I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take on my stud hearing. Now you like to
Speaker 1: leave them on because you're a pistom, but they might
Speaker 1: pop your water bed. That's true. My landlords would be
Speaker 1: pretty mad about I did not disclose on the leaves.
Speaker 1: This book is sort of weird and mean. Can you
Speaker 1: please screen grab the libre page? Yeah? Absolutely, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna put Let's put some of it in the newsletter.
Speaker 1: Here's about the capricorn, which is test as a capricorn's um.
Speaker 1: When all the flashy, scintillating, brilliant and available women have
Speaker 1: passed into memory, she will remain true. That absolutely. So
Speaker 1: here I stand. I've prevailed. Oh wow, Yeah, this book
Speaker 1: is nuts. That just makes me means that you're like
Speaker 1: the X in the coffin though, so I'm just like
Speaker 1: crumbling dust but still alive. Y um. It says she
Speaker 1: accelerates from zero to wow and nothing flat. Then Talcolm
Speaker 1: perfumed or oiled. She's ready to move on to the
Speaker 1: next room and the next act. It sounds like you're
Speaker 1: preparing me for frying, where she's a biter sometimes sometimes
Speaker 1: this is erotic, but when the love bite occurs immediately
Speaker 1: before during orgasm, she isn't aware of how deep in
Speaker 1: heart she's going into flesh. The jaws tend to lock
Speaker 1: during orgasm, so she may inadvertently become cannibalistic. How did
Speaker 1: they know you didn't like the hunger? What am I
Speaker 1: spent a month in prison? Do they have separate ones
Speaker 1: for men? Yeah, they tell you about the male and
Speaker 1: female of each We are clearly I would. I'm sure
Speaker 1: all of us would align better with the nineties seventies
Speaker 1: version of the man version of I'll read the male
Speaker 1: libra Um. He is kind, has a strong sense of
Speaker 1: justice and fair play, and we'll give anyone an even shake.
Speaker 1: You're right, maybe the ones for men are nicer. For sure.
Speaker 1: She'll always say yes, So I said I would bite,
Speaker 1: and in a cannibalistic a way. Um. If you want
Speaker 1: an opening topic, try a current news item. State your
Speaker 1: own opinion strongly. Librans may disagree, but never disagreeably. Don't
Speaker 1: forget Libra loves luxury. If you give a gift sterling silver,
Speaker 1: fourteen carrot gold, Lalik crystal, a doors jewelry that seems
Speaker 1: more touristic sex either, like the ones for the women
Speaker 1: were like, uh, there's no sex are just like. It
Speaker 1: also tells you how to break up with people if
Speaker 1: you want them to leave um. But it also says
Speaker 1: Librans can usually be identified by their especially well shaped
Speaker 1: and rounded buttocks. They always say that about saying about
Speaker 1: capricorns is we have bad knees. Virgos, the worst virgos
Speaker 1: have stomach problems and they're like virgins. Who wants that
Speaker 1: in a sex of stra literally virgins? No, But like
Speaker 1: the virgo one in this book too, is like very
Speaker 1: boring or into cinem It's like touch them in their stomach,
Speaker 1: which is like, please don't touch them in their stomach.
Speaker 1: Sensuous thrills may be obtained by laughing the stomach area
Speaker 1: with a sponge, soap and warm water. Virgo also particularly
Speaker 1: likes the feeling of the spray from a shower nozzle
Speaker 1: directed at this area are your stomach. It's it's like
Speaker 1: put your tongue in their belly button. You guys, this
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Speaker 1: been told it's a good gift for your X. Honestly,
Speaker 1: it is a phenomenal book of poetry, very Barrier X
Speaker 1: in a coffin in the attic, in the Lane's poems.
Speaker 1: Um well, thank you so much for coming on late.
Speaker 1: It was my pleasure. Thank you guys so much for
Speaker 1: having me. Where can people find you if you want
Speaker 1: to be found? Um well, my poetry school has a
Speaker 1: website called poetry field school dot com. I'm on Instagram
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Speaker 1: you welcome. I don't disclose my Twitter Yeah yeah, we
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