WEBVTT - 98: Vampire Luxury Lifestyle Magazine 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:04.000 Welcome to Night Call, a production of I Heart Radio. 0:00:09.880 --> 0:00:14.760 It's four oh three am in a vampire apartment and 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:34.159 you're listening tonight Call. Hello, and welcome to Night Call, 0:00:34.320 --> 0:00:37.360 a podcast for your strange days and lonely nights. I'm 0:00:37.400 --> 0:00:40.800 Molly Lambert, and with me as always are Tess Lynch 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:45.280 and Elayoshida calling in from New York. Calling in from 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:48.559 New York and joining us live in the studio. Our 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:52.519 guest today Elaine Cohn. Hello, Hello, Lin Helen is the 0:00:52.560 --> 0:00:55.200 author of Romance or the End, a new book of 0:00:55.240 --> 0:01:00.120 poetry out now. And it's Valentine's Day today, and it's 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:04.400 Spooky Love February on Nightcall. So it's the most erotic 0:01:04.480 --> 0:01:10.319 day of the year. It's the most thrilling, the erotic day. 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:12.800 I did actually walk down Hollywood Boulevard and note that 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:16.399 people were going into all the sex shops today. Um. 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:23.120 The Hustler Store was bustling with activity as always. Um. 0:01:23.200 --> 0:01:25.280 We were going to take a night call just off 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:29.800 the bat Ay Nightcalls. Kate, longtime listener, first time night callers. 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:32.759 Since you guys doing are doing a romance theme month 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:35.320 for February, I thought it might be cool to call 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:38.800 in about one of my favorites, not Teddlers of all times, 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:42.240 Salomon king Uh. He made things like Nine and a 0:01:42.240 --> 0:01:45.560 Half Week, The Red Shoe Diaries, and Wildforkids, most of 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:48.440 the time in collaboration with his wife Patricia. Leaves me 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:52.640 in an app uh moman kingdom like the idea of softcore, 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:55.320 and I recently read an interview where she described their 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:59.320 films together as emotional thrillers. So I was wondering if 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:02.320 you guys could talk about some of your favorite emotional thrillers. 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:04.120 I know none in a half week came up in 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:07.520 your erotic Oddity, but I also want to half where 0:02:07.600 --> 0:02:09.880 you guys think all the great movie sex scenes have gone. 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:12.519 I've been thinking a lot about this. I wrote about it, 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:14.959 h but I think it's be an interesting thing to 0:02:15.040 --> 0:02:17.640 think about, and it lives dedicated to love in romance, 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:20.160 and we haven't had a great movie sex scene in years. 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:23.519 Thanks for being you, and I call uh excited to 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:27.280 hear you guys talk about some Red Shoe Diaries. Wow, 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:30.040 what a great nightcall. Excellent night call. Thank you so much. 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:33.120 I'm thinking about it now too. What is the last 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:36.960 great movie sex scene? Magic? N did that even have? 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:39.280 A memorable sex scene that was just hot. It was 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:42.520 just a sexy movie. I guess it's very rare. We 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:47.400 get to thrusts, and when there are thrusts usually there's 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:49.520 a really bad trend of this that I really associate 0:02:49.560 --> 0:02:53.360 with Girls the TV show that it would just smash 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:59.360 cut to like fucking, like really aggressive like jackhammer fucking um, 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:01.200 which I just that was like it was and it 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:03.960 was used as a punchline. Then it was like like 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:07.359 really explicit fucking, but like as a as a joke. 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:12.720 There's definitely more sex on TV than ever there's and 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:15.400 it's more it's more fun to watch at home. Maybe 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:20.520 just just positing. But yeah, movies, movies maybe are losing 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:24.799 ground in the sex scenes competition. Do you guys have 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:29.160 what is the most recent great sex scene in a movie? 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:30.359 I mean, that's what I'm trying to think of that. 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:33.920 If it's not because like you seen a portrait of 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:37.080 a lady on fire, Yeah, that just is coming out today. 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:42.320 I think Properly had a small release heard that's very good. 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:45.960 It's good, but it's actually not as like the sex 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:49.160 that it has cool like love scenes, but they're not. 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:52.400 But I don't I think if something that's not a 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:54.480 sex scene more in that movie more than I think 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:57.880 of like um, like an actual like sex act on 0:03:58.160 --> 0:04:02.000 like thes just like some cool very romantic moments in it, 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:06.560 good kissing, like a lot of kissing scenes. Well, the 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:08.880 horny ist movie I can think of of the recent 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:11.800 past is probably Phantom Thread, which like doesn't have any 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:14.640 sex scenes in it. It's just it's tense. It's just 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:20.320 so much. Yeah, it's horny though. I think like when 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:22.320 I think of the most explicit sex scenes that I've 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:27.640 seen recently, they are m like two ladies usually like 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:31.520 handmade in and um oh yeah handmade and had a 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:33.640 good sex scene. That's probably the last good sex scene 0:04:33.640 --> 0:04:36.599 I can think of. And blue is the warmest color too, 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:39.799 but both and I love Handmade. It's a great movie. 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:41.839 But I think that the sex scenes do kind of 0:04:41.880 --> 0:04:44.520 your and like I think, very purposely so are very 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:48.800 like frame, very like like made to be like like 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:51.240 they do just come off as like objects or like 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:54.760 like wood block kind of both of those especially. Yeah, 0:04:54.960 --> 0:04:56.880 and we'll get to this later when we talk about 0:04:56.920 --> 0:05:01.559 today's feature The Hunger, which has a sexy lesbian sex scene. 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:04.760 But yeah, I feel like Most of the sex scenes 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:07.840 are in comedies in movies that I can think of, 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:12.400 and they are generally like jokes, like played for a joke. Yeah, um, 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:17.120 it seems like a problem. Look, we're here to remedy it. 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:21.919 Nic wants to reboot the erotic thriller. Um, Yeah, what 0:05:22.000 --> 0:05:23.960 about like in The Boy next Door, a movie I 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:27.359 haven't seen, but movie I haven't the most recent attempt 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:32.200 to reboot the erotic thriller haven't seen it either. Now 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:35.080 that's what we're Jennifer Lopez um has sex with The 0:05:35.080 --> 0:05:42.400 Boy next Door right where you know. What I just watched, 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:45.359 which I totally enjoyed is What Lies Beneath? Oh, What 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:48.520 Lies Beneath is so good. I've never seen it, and 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:51.279 I totally enjoyed it. I like, like, a that was 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:54.719 like a hot kind of a hot movie. But it 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:56.839 was funny too, because there's like a whole part where 0:05:56.839 --> 0:05:59.719 they're supposed to be like, oh, like they're old funny. 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:02.239 He's like trying to have sex in this long marriage, 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:10.520 but it's like Harrison forda Michelle's. The biggest like innovation 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:13.560 in the last ten fifteen years of movies has just 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:16.400 been like trying to get the most awkward sex scenes 0:06:16.440 --> 0:06:20.200 possible on screen as some kind of active defiance. Maybe 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:26.400 that's awesome, that's French extremism. It's the opposite think of 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:29.440 the scene in Greenberg, which is like the worst sex 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:32.239 scene of all time. There weren't even any sex scenes 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:34.240 in Marriage Story. That was one of the things I 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:37.880 was angry at. Not No nobody had sex in that movie. 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:40.000 They just all talked a lot. Eline, did you see 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:43.560 a Marriage Story? I would not see anything. You know 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:46.839 about my Blue Valentine theory, it's the people who see 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:51.560 Blue Valentine usually this again scientifically unproven, but I'm really 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:53.880 sure that this is true. That they break up soon after, 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:57.640 and then I felt like Marriage Story was definitely of 0:06:57.680 --> 0:07:01.000 that genre, of the breakout your love of genre, so 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:02.800 I wouldn't see it. I mean, the only thing I 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:05.560 really know about Marriage Story is that one clip that 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:07.760 was all over the internet, the punching the wall, which 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:11.000 had like such a bad representation. I didn't even love 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:14.160 the movie. But it's just like that's only works because 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:16.760 you've been it for like an hour and a half 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:19.240 of though. It's just if it dips straight into it, 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:22.480 it's hard. It had like the exact same energy as 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:30.400 my last breakup, but me as both characters. I was 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:33.760 just like, I really am never going to see that movie. Absolutely, 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:37.000 I respect that very much. We were a mostly anti 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:40.840 marriage story podcast. It's our official stance is no. Do 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:44.440 you think it's just like American puritanism? Like? Why why 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:46.600 is this? It does seem? Or is it just because 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:49.080 movies all have to be for babies? Now? Wait, why 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:51.920 there's no good sex? Yeah, because you never see like 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:55.400 superheroes sucking. Right, I don't think it's puritanism. I don't either, 0:07:55.440 --> 0:08:00.160 because there's so fucking it's just not like good sexcar is. 0:08:00.480 --> 0:08:04.320 But it is like a kind of um infantilization of 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:06.640 most movies I think in reason Like I think that 0:08:06.880 --> 0:08:09.880 a lot of movies just like don't and I'm talking 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:12.080 more about mainstream movies and about indie movies or foreign 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:15.320 movies obviously, but I just don't think that like a 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:17.360 lot of movies want to deal with that because they're 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:20.240 trying to hit some kind of nice mainstream thing, which 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:23.800 I think is different than being puritan It's more just 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:27.760 like trying to be like, have all the edges standed 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:30.880 off of something? Yeah, but you can still get plenty 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:34.600 of that stuff, like you said on TV and in 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:37.400 yeah indie foreign stuff. Yeah, but I don't know, I 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:40.240 got to be in a dark room with strangers, is 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:42.719 there No, Like I haven't seen uncut gems yet. There 0:08:42.800 --> 0:08:47.800 was no sex. The sex. Yeah, there's a very cute 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:50.920 scene in it that is like sexy. Yeah, it's not 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:53.559 a sex scene. No, I mean what happened Like definitely 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:56.640 there was a period where you know, suddenly you could 0:08:56.679 --> 0:08:58.880 show sex in movies at the end of the sixties, 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:02.000 and then became more and more until the eighties when 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:04.560 it was like every movie had a sex scene, which 0:09:04.559 --> 0:09:07.920 is why that Wayne's World joke about the the sex scene, 0:09:08.200 --> 0:09:12.760 the gratuitous sex scene. Um. And then maybe it reached 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:15.720 such a point of saturation that it had to go 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:18.680 back down or it's just like maybe you're afraid that 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:21.960 it will become kind of I mean, you know what, Okay, 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:25.080 this is just a theory. What if it's that nobody 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:28.199 really wants to have that kind of like sampled into 0:09:28.440 --> 0:09:32.120 a jif again, But you know, you know what I mean, 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:35.000 there's like this weird way that it could be taken 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:38.559 as like a kind of just like the Imagerery lifted, 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:44.240 and it feels that feels wrong somehow. I feel like 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:46.400 there's like they show I mean we've all said, like 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:50.079 they still show like fucking in movies, there's just no erotics. 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:54.200 So I don't think there's Yeah, maybe it's like last 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:57.840 gasps of patriarchy, like they just want to like only 0:09:57.960 --> 0:10:01.319 show like the like they don' want to show any 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:03.800 for play or any like tension or any of the 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:06.040 things that are like actually erotic. They just want to 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:13.160 show like Yeah, I mean you could really think that 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:15.640 like that none that stiff actually gets anyone off. And 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:19.160 I think that a lot of people, especially very recently, 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:23.960 are worried about having just like not good environments on 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:26.360 sets when they shoot sex scenes. So you think it 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:29.120 could be like the need to have an intimacy coordinator 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:31.200 and everything. It just makes it. It kind of takes 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:37.440 away like spontaneous that it predates that. But I think 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:39.840 there's also just a mentality of like, well, I don't 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:43.319 want to do anything that ends up being like objectifying 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:47.720 somebody or or making anybody like feel uncomfortable or bad 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:50.160 when they're making this, But then they don't find a 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:52.360 way to do it in a way that makes people 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:54.880 feel like, yeah, I think people being like, let's not try, 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:58.040 rather than like, why is this hard for us? Is 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:01.160 yeah the problem. I also, do you think that we 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:06.679 really lose something if we don't have softcore? Softcore is delightful. 0:11:07.080 --> 0:11:16.280 I love Sophomore everything shot through that cinemax. Do you 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:18.240 think about this all the time as being like one 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:21.680 of the core dividers between old millennials and young millennials 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:25.000 is that like we had the scrambled porn experience, you know, 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:28.160 and like they didn't, And that joke in American Pie 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:31.880 like doesn't make any sense anymore, but like that itself 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:34.920 was the erotic experience. It was like trying to get 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:38.240 the channel to come in for one second at a time, 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:42.680 like furtively. You know, people have so much access to 0:11:42.760 --> 0:11:46.760 everything now. I wonder if it's like like you really 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:50.560 had to search stuff out, you know, as a team 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:55.360 that can also fill in, like for instead of the 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:58.280 build up and like whatever cinematic thing you could do 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:02.760 to make a sexy feel more romantic. It's like if you, personally, 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:05.200 in the act of seeking it out, have to go 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:10.120 through all this stuff, if you have to go in 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:12.880 that weird room in the video store behind a curtain, 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:15.960 like the coolest place in the world, you know, because 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:19.360 you because the curtain says like, Oh, you're not supposed 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:23.160 to be in here, but you are. I do remember that. 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:24.760 Now that was a video stores and I was a 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:27.960 little kid, like regular video stores how to curtain thing? 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:32.400 Had the adult section beated curtains. I've forgotten that, And 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:34.840 you're like, oh, can I go in there? I'm a 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:37.800 fifteen year old girl or whatever, Like will somebody tell 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:43.480 on me to put on my dark sunglasses? Yeah? I 0:12:43.480 --> 0:12:46.440 mean like I feel like some of the streamers too, 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:49.040 they took the soft core sections like down off of 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:53.280 their offerings, which I was like, that really betrays the 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:55.240 ethos of cable to me, which is to like have 0:12:55.400 --> 0:12:59.040 a soft core section at night. Well, we really appreciate 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:02.079 the call. This is something that's always on our minds. Yeah, 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:06.040 at night call, if you have recent movie sex scenes 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:08.520 that we're missing because we didn't come up with anything, 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:12.400 So tell us your favorite recent sex scenes from movies, 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:16.560 or have your theories ready about why the sex scene 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:19.520 has disappeared. Yeah, and if you want night Call to 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:23.400 reboot Red Shoe Diaries, Yeah, um, with us all wearing 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:27.680 like velvet robes by a fire. That Wonderful is the 0:13:27.679 --> 0:13:31.720 Best is an anthology series with a narrator. Let us say, yeah, 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:51.480 we'll be right back. Welcome back tonightcall. We are joined 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:56.640 today by Elaine con Hello. Lane, Hello, you've been joining 0:13:56.760 --> 0:14:02.240 us so far, you're still joining us and joined. It's 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:06.199 Valentine's Day, as we were saying, it won't be when 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:08.560 you listen to this, but you'll still be bathing in 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:14.559 the warm glow of processing the glow. Yeah. Um, Elaine, 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:17.440 you were telling me that you wanted to talk about 0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:22.440 a little reality show. Oh yeah, Flirty Flirty Dancing. It's 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:24.760 have you guys seen it? No, I don't know Hulu. 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:27.240 But the way you said lt dance because I looked 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:30.440 into it and I was like this American versions awful. 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:33.560 Watched the American version, I think I said that, and 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:36.880 then you were like, you don't understand. Okay. So it 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:39.880 started out in England on the BBC and it's hosted 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:45.200 by this like six foot five man named Ashley Banjo. Okay, 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:48.840 and it's just like and first of all, they call 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:51.160 in the UK. I don't know if you guys knows 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:54.280 what they call single people Singleton's so like I know 0:14:54.520 --> 0:15:00.120 from the bridges. Yes, so they which just automatic. It 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:03.240 adds this level of like just like cuteness to it 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:06.080 and also like hoaking nous. But they just get like 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:09.680 these very normal people from like small towns in England 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:11.920 and set them up and the whole thing is like, 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:14.120 so they've each learned. For those of you guys who 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:18.640 have not seen flor dancing, each singleton learns one half 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:21.200 of the dance and then the first time they ever 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:26.160 meet they performed this choreographed duet together and in the 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:29.400 UK version, it's just like it's like the most pure 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:31.880 thing you've ever seen. It's like you're seeing just pure 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:37.040 romantic hope, just like vibrating through the bodies of these people, 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:40.360 like they always cry and they're like that was the 0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:44.800 most amazing thing I've ever done. So it's incredible. I 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:47.400 bought a VPN just so I could watched it. Yeah, 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:50.120 but and then I found it was coming to America, 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:53.000 and I got so excited. But then I found it 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:58.360 in America. Of course they had to Now it's a competition. No, 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:00.840 it was not a competition, but for it was just 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:03.800 like I'm looking for love and like maybe it's with you, 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:06.640 and together, we're going to try this out. And I'll 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:08.600 be honest, I've looked into all of the couples and 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:10.800 none of them have worked out, of course not but 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:14.040 you see, for like, they all leave the dance being 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:20.440 like this is true love, Like it's no but for real, 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:23.640 like they're just like I've never seen such like pure 0:16:23.720 --> 0:16:26.680 human emotion captured on television. What are they dancing to? 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:31.600 This is a difference, that's all. It runs the gamut. 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:34.840 I used to have watched so you think you can 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:38.400 dance in the first few seasons and that was all professional, 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:42.840 It wasn't. I mean, I'm very drawn to the question 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:46.680 about this. Especially the American version made me wonder if 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:49.840 some of these people were pros. I mean, I don't 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:51.280 know about the American VISI cause, like I said, I 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:53.560 only watched the first one. But in the UK version, 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:56.280 they're definitely not pros. And in fact, it's like, you know, 0:16:56.280 --> 0:16:59.920 they'll be like, I don't know, like seniors who definitely 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:03.640 cannot dance, and just like sort of good natured bros 0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:06.280 who just kind of like you know, basically have to 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:09.600 like you know, hold their hands up while their partner 0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:13.159 you know, does circles around them, but it's you know, 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:16.080 I only saw the one episode, the first episode the 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:21.280 American version. It was just so outraged by I watched 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:23.760 one in the middle of the American version and I 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:26.119 guess the host is normally Jenna Duan, but it was 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:32.240 like a British host. Maybe it was actually Banjos. It 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:34.280 was it was it was a competition. It was a 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:36.199 guy and it was like, you're going to dance with 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:39.080 these two different women and like do the same routine 0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:41.160 with both of them and you all learn the parts 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:43.320 separately and then you but then like when they did 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:46.359 the routine, it was in like the terrarium of a 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:51.080 botanical garden. I mean, that's that's true across both Okay, Okay, 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:54.440 the one that it was it was really nice. I 0:17:54.440 --> 0:17:55.840 guess it was like I was like, like at the 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:58.000 end of Beauty and the Beast, you're like the Crystal 0:17:58.040 --> 0:18:02.959 past for some reason. Um, but well, they picked one 0:18:02.960 --> 0:18:04.280 of the people and I was like, I don't know 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:06.280 that that was the person that they dance. They just 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:09.520 picked he's hotter of course, or like who they think whatever, 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:12.159 it's not, it just it really the whole point of 0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:14.440 the British show is that it's like it's like quaint 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:17.359 and it's like for people who hope and like the 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:19.760 whole idea of like that it's just a competition, Like 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:23.160 that's just it's really not in the spirit a flirty 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:29.480 dancing flirty. I mean, it's just if you can watch 0:18:29.520 --> 0:18:32.439 the I mean, it's if you can watch the British version. 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:37.800 Like I cry every time I said it doesn't go anywhere. 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:40.960 I feel like, like learning to do a dance, especially 0:18:41.000 --> 0:18:42.919 if you're not a professional dancer and you don't do 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:44.919 that all the time, and like the thrill of the 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:48.480 accomplishment of it is like a very very kind of 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:52.240 like almost prival you fork. Yeah, And it feels like, 0:18:52.560 --> 0:18:54.760 I mean like they had like a Bachelor, you know, 0:18:54.800 --> 0:18:57.520 they always have people. They just do the fast version 0:18:57.560 --> 0:18:59.280 of that, which is they just make people to involve 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:02.520 clips stick there and then like when they're not dead, 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:06.160 then they have this like hyper adrenaline rush of like 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:12.160 I'm not dead. The Bachelor is like Midsummer it is, yeah, basically, 0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:16.040 like but like the whole thing of like finding a 0:19:16.119 --> 0:19:18.680 way like that feels like a much more humane way 0:19:18.720 --> 0:19:22.520 to capture a very very basic human emotion, like where 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:24.879 you kind of like have some sort of sense of 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:28.280 accomplishment and you go through an unusual circumstance with another 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:31.560 person for the first time, and it's like wow, oh 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:34.679 my god, it's like the movie Speed and it's not. 0:19:34.800 --> 0:19:37.320 It's also like their bodies actually have to move together, 0:19:37.359 --> 0:19:39.960 like a lot of times there's like lifts and stuff 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:42.679 in it. So they really have to they really have 0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:45.080 to like develop this sense of trust that's not as 0:19:45.119 --> 0:19:48.520 simple as just like jumping off bridge or whatever. They 0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:51.680 have to like yeah, and they actually have to come 0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:54.920 yeah exactly. They have to communicate physically and they're not 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:59.760 allowed to talk at all even after the dance is over. Well, 0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:02.200 they're also another show. I ended up doing a deep 0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:05.960 dive on dating reality show to learn everything about it. Um. 0:20:06.000 --> 0:20:09.360 There's another show called sing Date, which is the same 0:20:09.440 --> 0:20:11.879 premise of Flority Dancing, but was singing you do a 0:20:11.960 --> 0:20:16.040 duet together but cannot talk. It is another UK show, 0:20:16.160 --> 0:20:21.760 so maybe um. And then I learned that one of 0:20:21.760 --> 0:20:25.080 the most popular shows is a Chinese bachelor style dating 0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:28.280 show called if You Are the One UM that has 0:20:28.280 --> 0:20:31.560 been on for ten years. UM and a contestant went 0:20:31.680 --> 0:20:35.400 viral for the phrase for saying on a date. Um, 0:20:35.440 --> 0:20:38.680 I'd rather cry in a BMW than smile on a bicycle. 0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:44.960 And it became it became a meme. Um, and people, 0:20:46.720 --> 0:20:49.399 I know, that's the most depressing. Apparently people were like 0:20:49.440 --> 0:20:51.600 a million think pieces about it about like what does 0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:55.720 this mean, Like people are abandoning bicycles for cars. Um, 0:20:55.720 --> 0:20:57.680 I mean, I guess I like to be like protected 0:20:57.720 --> 0:21:02.879 from the elements. For some siling on a bicycle is 0:21:02.920 --> 0:21:06.560 like one of the best feelings in the world. Well teeth, 0:21:06.680 --> 0:21:12.160 it was a good turn of phrase. Stop being Yeah, 0:21:12.240 --> 0:21:15.000 I don't like it anymore. Yeah, I mean I don't 0:21:15.080 --> 0:21:18.159 like it, but I like um that there's like just 0:21:18.240 --> 0:21:21.239 Parallel Bachelors because it had like the same logic as 0:21:21.240 --> 0:21:24.560 the Bachelor, but instead of the rose ceremony, there's something 0:21:24.600 --> 0:21:29.639 that's called like a heartometer, you know. Um. There was 0:21:29.680 --> 0:21:32.920 a show called Sexy Beasts that was a dating show 0:21:32.960 --> 0:21:35.720 where they put one person in a prosthetic monster suit 0:21:37.000 --> 0:21:39.160 and then they had to go on dates with people 0:21:39.480 --> 0:21:44.320 where the people had to see through to your real personality. Wow. Um, 0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:51.119 there's one Anotherlands another Lands show, Dutch show, a Dutch 0:21:51.160 --> 0:21:54.160 dating show called Dating in the Dark. Dotton and Head, 0:21:56.000 --> 0:21:58.240 a reality show created in the Netherlands where three single 0:21:58.280 --> 0:22:00.840 men and three single women move into a tight house 0:22:00.920 --> 0:22:04.399 getting to know each other. I know, isn't that a nightmare? 0:22:04.520 --> 0:22:08.080 There's it sounds horrible the form bonds in total darkness. 0:22:09.320 --> 0:22:11.520 You know what would be awful about that is your 0:22:11.520 --> 0:22:14.560 other senses being so heightened that you're so aware of 0:22:14.560 --> 0:22:17.359 the different smells of people. Is that what you were thinking? 0:22:17.640 --> 0:22:21.520 That was actually what I was. That's a really sent 0:22:21.640 --> 0:22:26.280 to austrophobia. Isn't that all like sex appeal is? Yeah, 0:22:26.280 --> 0:22:29.640 but I don't like being robbed of all other faculties 0:22:29.680 --> 0:22:34.080 and being like just sniff mean bag and pick pickup bag. 0:22:34.280 --> 0:22:37.359 There's all smells good. There's also a couple of shows 0:22:37.400 --> 0:22:40.560 that are just TOPI in the other direction that are 0:22:40.800 --> 0:22:45.200 um like where you never meet somebody except virtually, where 0:22:45.240 --> 0:22:48.159 it's like the circle, but instead of it's it's just 0:22:48.200 --> 0:22:50.600 like everyone's in a different room and they just like 0:22:50.640 --> 0:22:52.680 talk in a chat room and decide who they want 0:22:52.720 --> 0:22:54.679 to be with the most. But they can't see each other. 0:22:54.720 --> 0:22:56.280 They can't see each other, they can only talk on 0:22:56.359 --> 0:22:58.600 one They're all ways of not letting people see you 0:22:58.680 --> 0:23:01.920 hot they are. That's all of these are about. Well, 0:23:01.960 --> 0:23:04.879 that's what like Flirty Dancing sounds so nice because it 0:23:04.880 --> 0:23:07.720 feels like a real anecdote to like like like, why 0:23:07.720 --> 0:23:09.399 would you go on a show like that where you 0:23:09.440 --> 0:23:11.720 can't see people, You're only looking at people on an app? 0:23:11.760 --> 0:23:16.760 Like that's just light. There's one called Dating Alone that's 0:23:16.760 --> 0:23:19.280 the South Korean dating game show that's more like a 0:23:19.359 --> 0:23:22.240 dating sim where it's like you you're going on a 0:23:22.320 --> 0:23:24.760 date with simone. It's like to teach men to be 0:23:24.760 --> 0:23:33.119 better at dating theoretically. Um, this is a great wi Yeah. Um. 0:23:33.680 --> 0:23:37.040