1 00:00:11,697 --> 00:00:14,977 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Buck Sexton Show podcast, make sure 2 00:00:14,977 --> 00:00:17,977 Speaker 1: you subscribe to the podcast on the iHeartRadio app or 3 00:00:18,017 --> 00:00:23,857 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts back by popular demand. Alex Berenson, 4 00:00:24,217 --> 00:00:27,217 Speaker 1: the man who nailed COVID. I still think you should 5 00:00:27,217 --> 00:00:28,977 Speaker 1: get even more credit for that than you do Alex, 6 00:00:29,017 --> 00:00:31,537 Speaker 1: for whatever that's worth, because I remember because there was 7 00:00:31,577 --> 00:00:33,337 Speaker 1: like Alex, and then there was a little crew of 8 00:00:33,417 --> 00:00:36,377 Speaker 1: us who were trying to bring more attention to your work. 9 00:00:36,417 --> 00:00:38,737 Speaker 1: Tucker was one of them, but I was certainly there too, 10 00:00:39,337 --> 00:00:41,657 Speaker 1: and I have not forgotten the COVID stuff. We're not 11 00:00:41,697 --> 00:00:44,857 Speaker 1: going to talk COVID today really, well maybe tangentially, but 12 00:00:45,617 --> 00:00:47,417 Speaker 1: we're going to dive into some other stuff with Alex Barns. 13 00:00:47,417 --> 00:00:49,057 Speaker 1: It's kind of our year in review show. Those you're 14 00:00:49,057 --> 00:00:51,417 Speaker 1: watching on video, which you should be, go to YouTube 15 00:00:51,617 --> 00:00:56,977 Speaker 1: dot com and check out the Buck Brief on YouTube. Subscribe, 16 00:00:57,057 --> 00:01:01,977 Speaker 1: but also subscribe to Alex's substack Unreported Truths, which I'm 17 00:01:01,977 --> 00:01:04,937 Speaker 1: a big fan of. And we were coordinated today. It 18 00:01:04,937 --> 00:01:06,737 Speaker 1: looks like we're doing a Saint Patti's show. We both 19 00:01:06,777 --> 00:01:10,697 Speaker 1: wore green for Christmas because it's right before Christmas or 20 00:01:10,977 --> 00:01:14,297 Speaker 1: Hanikah as the case may be, but here we are. 21 00:01:14,737 --> 00:01:18,497 Speaker 1: And Alex, you know one thing, like I just wanted 22 00:01:18,577 --> 00:01:22,817 Speaker 1: your your biggest reflection on the year right now. And 23 00:01:22,817 --> 00:01:25,817 Speaker 1: and the thing that for you defines the year is what. 24 00:01:27,257 --> 00:01:29,257 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I hate to, you know, say what 25 00:01:29,297 --> 00:01:31,697 Speaker 2: everybody else is gonna say, but obviously it's the victory 26 00:01:31,737 --> 00:01:35,017 Speaker 2: of Donald Trump, right, and and the and a victory 27 00:01:35,257 --> 00:01:39,617 Speaker 2: over you know, a populist revolt, a true populist revolt. 28 00:01:39,657 --> 00:01:44,377 Speaker 2: And you know, I he beat the media, he beat academia, 29 00:01:44,777 --> 00:01:49,017 Speaker 2: he beat Hollywood, he beat most of corporate America. Uh, 30 00:01:49,057 --> 00:01:54,337 Speaker 2: he beats sort of the philanthropy blob, he beat he 31 00:01:54,457 --> 00:01:57,417 Speaker 2: beat you know, people who donated an extra billion dollars 32 00:01:57,457 --> 00:02:02,177 Speaker 2: to the other side. He beat two assassination attempts. And 33 00:02:02,217 --> 00:02:04,097 Speaker 2: he's the he's going to be the president for the 34 00:02:04,097 --> 00:02:05,017 Speaker 2: next four years. 35 00:02:05,097 --> 00:02:07,857 Speaker 3: And uh uh, you know, I'm I'm hopeful. 36 00:02:08,017 --> 00:02:10,537 Speaker 2: I said it, you know, three days before the election, 37 00:02:10,617 --> 00:02:11,977 Speaker 2: that I was going to vote for him. I said 38 00:02:11,977 --> 00:02:15,817 Speaker 2: it publicly, And I just I really hope that we 39 00:02:15,937 --> 00:02:19,697 Speaker 2: get sort of the Donald Trump who's the disruptor in 40 00:02:19,737 --> 00:02:22,977 Speaker 2: the in the in the way that America needs, and 41 00:02:23,017 --> 00:02:25,217 Speaker 2: not the guy who you know, the Democrats said he 42 00:02:25,297 --> 00:02:25,857 Speaker 2: was going to be. 43 00:02:25,857 --> 00:02:28,177 Speaker 1: And we'll get to that. We'll get there because I 44 00:02:28,177 --> 00:02:29,817 Speaker 1: want to get to the law fair discussion, but I 45 00:02:29,897 --> 00:02:32,017 Speaker 1: just first because we'll talk about it. 46 00:02:32,057 --> 00:02:36,897 Speaker 2: But clearly his victory is an epic moment. 47 00:02:37,377 --> 00:02:40,937 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, there's very little about Trump that I 48 00:02:40,937 --> 00:02:43,497 Speaker 1: would say has surprised me. I met him in person 49 00:02:43,657 --> 00:02:45,657 Speaker 1: the first time when I was thirteen years old, Alex, 50 00:02:46,217 --> 00:02:48,337 Speaker 1: So there's very little about Yeah. In New York, I 51 00:02:48,377 --> 00:02:50,257 Speaker 1: knew his kids a little bit, not super well, but 52 00:02:50,297 --> 00:02:51,857 Speaker 1: we you know, one of them I used to hang 53 00:02:51,857 --> 00:02:54,257 Speaker 1: out with sometimes. We were in like high school age, 54 00:02:55,657 --> 00:02:58,337 Speaker 1: and so I met him there once. But nothing about 55 00:02:58,337 --> 00:03:03,097 Speaker 1: Trump has ever blown my mind quite the way, certainly 56 00:03:03,177 --> 00:03:05,097 Speaker 1: after he after twenty six I'll put it this way, 57 00:03:05,137 --> 00:03:08,657 Speaker 1: after twenty sixteen, I feel like I've known Trump. But 58 00:03:08,937 --> 00:03:12,817 Speaker 1: when when he stood up and was shouting fight after 59 00:03:12,857 --> 00:03:15,497 Speaker 1: he took a five to five to six round to 60 00:03:15,657 --> 00:03:17,457 Speaker 1: the ear. 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Just give us the sort 107 00:05:34,337 --> 00:05:36,617 Speaker 1: of thirty second overview of what it is to what 108 00:05:36,657 --> 00:05:38,777 Speaker 1: you're suing Biden over and then you can start to 109 00:05:38,777 --> 00:05:40,377 Speaker 1: tell us where this stands right now? 110 00:05:41,617 --> 00:05:47,337 Speaker 2: Sure, so I'm suing the president really is not personally, 111 00:05:47,457 --> 00:05:49,857 Speaker 2: so it's what's called in his ministerial capacity. But what 112 00:05:49,897 --> 00:05:52,377 Speaker 2: I'm really assuing is a couple of guys who worked 113 00:05:52,417 --> 00:05:53,777 Speaker 2: for him. 114 00:05:53,897 --> 00:05:55,337 Speaker 3: One named Andy Slavitt. 115 00:05:55,537 --> 00:05:59,417 Speaker 1: Oh I remember Andy Covid Slavit sure, Oh. 116 00:05:59,297 --> 00:06:01,217 Speaker 3: God, yeah? Was he ever a panicker? 117 00:06:01,257 --> 00:06:03,537 Speaker 2: And then a guy named Rob Flaherty was part of this, 118 00:06:03,617 --> 00:06:06,577 Speaker 2: who was the deputy campaign manager of first the Biden 119 00:06:06,617 --> 00:06:10,057 Speaker 2: ad Ministry of biden reelection campaign, then Kamala Harris's camp, 120 00:06:11,457 --> 00:06:15,657 Speaker 2: who was the director of digital strategy for the White House. Anyway, 121 00:06:15,737 --> 00:06:21,417 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one, a Slavitt in particular led a 122 00:06:21,457 --> 00:06:25,537 Speaker 2: conspiracy to try and ultimately succeed in getting me banned 123 00:06:25,537 --> 00:06:29,737 Speaker 2: from Twitter, and so I became aware of you know 124 00:06:30,017 --> 00:06:33,737 Speaker 2: my band when I was banned in August twenty twenty one. 125 00:06:33,857 --> 00:06:36,577 Speaker 2: I then sued Twitter to get back on a lawsuit 126 00:06:36,617 --> 00:06:40,057 Speaker 2: that everybody said was just going to be a complete failure, 127 00:06:40,137 --> 00:06:44,297 Speaker 2: and in fact it was not. In April twenty twenty two, 128 00:06:44,337 --> 00:06:46,857 Speaker 2: a federal judge said I had grounds to go forward 129 00:06:46,857 --> 00:06:50,217 Speaker 2: with that lawsuit. Twitter then settled with me before Elon 130 00:06:50,337 --> 00:06:54,457 Speaker 2: Musk took over. So this is pre Musk and put 131 00:06:54,497 --> 00:06:57,017 Speaker 2: me back on, said they shouldn't have kicked me off. 132 00:06:57,097 --> 00:06:59,137 Speaker 2: I was kicked off because of comments I'd made about 133 00:06:59,137 --> 00:07:00,217 Speaker 2: COVID and the vaccine. 134 00:07:00,257 --> 00:07:03,257 Speaker 1: Specifically, Wait can I ask, because I was just I 135 00:07:04,057 --> 00:07:06,497 Speaker 1: think it's important. What was it that you said that 136 00:07:06,497 --> 00:07:09,937 Speaker 1: that got them? So what triggered the band? If you will? 137 00:07:10,097 --> 00:07:13,617 Speaker 2: The famous fifth strike actually could not be worse for 138 00:07:13,657 --> 00:07:17,257 Speaker 2: the defense. Famous is the wrong word, but the infant 139 00:07:17,297 --> 00:07:21,937 Speaker 2: strike because COVID infamous. The COVID had this COVID Twitter 140 00:07:21,937 --> 00:07:25,657 Speaker 2: had this complicated policy of how they were going to 141 00:07:27,217 --> 00:07:31,937 Speaker 2: allow people to talk about the mRNA's in twenty twenty one, 142 00:07:32,577 --> 00:07:35,177 Speaker 2: and I was, you know, sort of on the forefront 143 00:07:35,177 --> 00:07:39,017 Speaker 2: of raising questions about them, and for quite for most 144 00:07:39,057 --> 00:07:42,297 Speaker 2: of twenty twenty one, they basically let me talk. And 145 00:07:42,337 --> 00:07:45,177 Speaker 2: then in the summer, as the White House really ramped 146 00:07:45,217 --> 00:07:49,057 Speaker 2: up the pressure publicly against the social media companies, they 147 00:07:49,097 --> 00:07:53,137 Speaker 2: started to issue strikes. The fifth strike was for a 148 00:07:53,177 --> 00:07:56,137 Speaker 2: tweet that said, and I want to get it exactly 149 00:07:56,177 --> 00:07:59,857 Speaker 2: where I may not, but it doesn't stop infection or transmission. 150 00:08:00,377 --> 00:08:02,817 Speaker 2: Don't think of it as a vaccine. Think of it 151 00:08:02,857 --> 00:08:09,097 Speaker 2: as a therapeutic, meaning like a drug that has severe 152 00:08:09,177 --> 00:08:13,817 Speaker 2: side effects and must be taken in advance of illness, 153 00:08:13,977 --> 00:08:16,417 Speaker 2: and we want to mandate it insanity. 154 00:08:17,057 --> 00:08:18,177 Speaker 3: That was the whole tweet. 155 00:08:18,617 --> 00:08:20,977 Speaker 2: I think at this point everybody agrees that the first 156 00:08:20,977 --> 00:08:24,097 Speaker 2: part is true. The vaccines didn't stop infection or transmission, 157 00:08:24,417 --> 00:08:25,817 Speaker 2: and I think most people have come. 158 00:08:25,737 --> 00:08:28,857 Speaker 3: Around to the idea that mandates were a big mistake. 159 00:08:29,417 --> 00:08:32,097 Speaker 3: So that was the whole tweet. But Twitter did in 160 00:08:32,137 --> 00:08:33,337 Speaker 3: fact ban me for that tweet. 161 00:08:33,377 --> 00:08:37,857 Speaker 2: And what I learned from Twitter in twenty twenty two 162 00:08:38,017 --> 00:08:41,097 Speaker 2: after they handed over documents to me, was that Andy 163 00:08:41,137 --> 00:08:44,457 Speaker 2: Slavitt had been involved, that the White House had been involved, 164 00:08:44,497 --> 00:08:46,257 Speaker 2: and then and to me. In some ways, this is 165 00:08:46,297 --> 00:08:48,657 Speaker 2: the most stunning part of all this, although the media, 166 00:08:48,897 --> 00:08:50,817 Speaker 2: you know, outside of a few people like you, refuse 167 00:08:50,897 --> 00:08:51,577 Speaker 2: to report on it. 168 00:08:53,777 --> 00:08:55,217 Speaker 3: A guy named Scott Gottlieb. 169 00:08:55,577 --> 00:08:59,337 Speaker 2: Scott Gottlieb was the head of the FDA under Trump. 170 00:08:59,377 --> 00:09:01,497 Speaker 2: I think it's pretty clear he's not gonna be that 171 00:09:02,017 --> 00:09:04,217 Speaker 2: going forward. He's gonna have very little to do with 172 00:09:04,257 --> 00:09:07,457 Speaker 2: the trumpet the new Trump administration. But Scott Gottlieb was 173 00:09:07,497 --> 00:09:11,057 Speaker 2: sort of one of these, you know, moderate republs against rhinos. 174 00:09:11,097 --> 00:09:14,097 Speaker 3: Call him what you want. He had been he had 175 00:09:14,177 --> 00:09:15,737 Speaker 3: known Andy Slavitt. 176 00:09:15,737 --> 00:09:17,617 Speaker 2: But the reason he's so interesting and this is so 177 00:09:17,737 --> 00:09:21,097 Speaker 2: interesting is at the time that he forced or encouraged 178 00:09:21,177 --> 00:09:24,377 Speaker 2: Twitter to ban me, and ultimately conspired with Andy to 179 00:09:24,377 --> 00:09:28,897 Speaker 2: get me banned, he was and remains to this day, 180 00:09:29,097 --> 00:09:32,617 Speaker 2: a board member at Pfizer. So, a board member at 181 00:09:32,617 --> 00:09:36,657 Speaker 2: a company that made one hundred billion dollars from selling 182 00:09:36,737 --> 00:09:40,937 Speaker 2: COVID vaccines, interceded with Twitter at a time when I 183 00:09:40,937 --> 00:09:43,417 Speaker 2: would say, you know, maybe I wasn't the most important 184 00:09:43,457 --> 00:09:47,457 Speaker 2: voice against mandatory vaccination, but I was certainly a leading 185 00:09:47,537 --> 00:09:52,337 Speaker 2: voice to get me banned. So I am suing Slavitt. 186 00:09:52,577 --> 00:09:55,097 Speaker 2: I am suing technically the president, although again he's not 187 00:09:55,177 --> 00:09:58,577 Speaker 2: really you know, a part of this. I am suing 188 00:09:58,937 --> 00:10:02,977 Speaker 2: Scott Gottlieb. I'm suing doctor Albert Borla, who is the 189 00:10:03,537 --> 00:10:04,937 Speaker 2: chairman Adfiser. 190 00:10:04,537 --> 00:10:07,057 Speaker 1: The guy, he's the guy who sounds kind of like 191 00:10:07,177 --> 00:10:10,457 Speaker 1: this in the Albert Borla, right, yeah. 192 00:10:10,777 --> 00:10:12,977 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's Greek. He's Greek. You know. 193 00:10:13,017 --> 00:10:15,697 Speaker 2: I was actually kind of upset and disappointed to see 194 00:10:15,697 --> 00:10:19,177 Speaker 2: that Borla was one of three former CEOs who had 195 00:10:19,777 --> 00:10:22,417 Speaker 2: dinner with Trump, uh, just a couple of days ago 196 00:10:22,417 --> 00:10:24,777 Speaker 2: at mar A Lago. So let's hope that that you 197 00:10:24,817 --> 00:10:27,217 Speaker 2: know that that that that doesn't mean that you know 198 00:10:27,297 --> 00:10:29,257 Speaker 2: that they're in his ear. I guess we'll find out. 199 00:10:30,497 --> 00:10:33,937 Speaker 2: But so my lawsuit says, you guys violated my First 200 00:10:33,977 --> 00:10:36,817 Speaker 2: Amendment rights. The White House did that is you and 201 00:10:36,897 --> 00:10:40,337 Speaker 2: Pfizer together, Are you and the Pfizer defendants together violated? 202 00:10:40,617 --> 00:10:42,737 Speaker 2: And it's a little complicated, but I'll try to, you know, 203 00:10:42,817 --> 00:10:45,137 Speaker 2: make it as sort of straightforward as I can, the 204 00:10:45,217 --> 00:10:49,057 Speaker 2: rights of me as an unvaccinated person and other people 205 00:10:49,057 --> 00:10:52,697 Speaker 2: who were unvaccinated to communicate around the vaccines. So, in 206 00:10:52,737 --> 00:10:55,857 Speaker 2: other words, my complaint is not, hey, you made me 207 00:10:55,897 --> 00:10:58,697 Speaker 2: get vaccinated, because I'm actually not COVID vaccinated. 208 00:10:58,777 --> 00:11:00,177 Speaker 3: No one made me get vaccinated. 209 00:11:00,217 --> 00:11:04,297 Speaker 2: My complaint is I had a First Amendment right as 210 00:11:04,337 --> 00:11:09,217 Speaker 2: an unvaccinated person to communicate my views about the vaccines, 211 00:11:09,297 --> 00:11:13,457 Speaker 2: which were a particular interest to other unvaccinated people, and 212 00:11:13,577 --> 00:11:18,257 Speaker 2: you suppressed that right. And these are actually these are 213 00:11:18,257 --> 00:11:21,617 Speaker 2: actually like pretty big constitutional questions. There's that one question 214 00:11:21,737 --> 00:11:24,097 Speaker 2: is whether or not I have the right to sue 215 00:11:24,097 --> 00:11:26,897 Speaker 2: for money damages for a First Amendment violation, which is 216 00:11:26,897 --> 00:11:30,137 Speaker 2: something the Supreme Court has, you know, they they've they've 217 00:11:30,377 --> 00:11:33,177 Speaker 2: they said different things about this, but they've never said 218 00:11:34,017 --> 00:11:34,697 Speaker 2: you can do it. 219 00:11:35,337 --> 00:11:35,737 Speaker 3: Uh. 220 00:11:35,817 --> 00:11:38,097 Speaker 2: And then and then the other big question is are 221 00:11:38,377 --> 00:11:42,337 Speaker 2: unvaccinated people a group who are deserving of some kind 222 00:11:42,337 --> 00:11:46,097 Speaker 2: of legal protection? And and so those are big questions. 223 00:11:46,537 --> 00:11:49,297 Speaker 2: And where the lawsuit stands right now is the defense 224 00:11:49,777 --> 00:11:52,217 Speaker 2: and they're you know, there's several different defendants. Andy Slavitt 225 00:11:52,217 --> 00:11:55,097 Speaker 2: has his own defense, uh, the visor defendants, and then 226 00:11:55,137 --> 00:11:58,417 Speaker 2: there's the the government defendants. And they've all said, hey, 227 00:11:58,417 --> 00:12:00,977 Speaker 2: this loss is is junk. You know, we didn't do 228 00:12:01,017 --> 00:12:04,097 Speaker 2: anything wrong. This should be dismissed. It's being heard by 229 00:12:04,177 --> 00:12:08,257 Speaker 2: a judge in New York, and I presume that she'll 230 00:12:08,297 --> 00:12:08,857 Speaker 2: schedule a. 231 00:12:08,817 --> 00:12:10,057 Speaker 3: Hearing on it at some point. 232 00:12:10,377 --> 00:12:13,137 Speaker 2: The tricky part, or one of the many tricker parts 233 00:12:13,137 --> 00:12:16,737 Speaker 2: of this is that, uh, now that now that Donald 234 00:12:16,777 --> 00:12:20,417 Speaker 2: Trump is president, it's possible that the White House or 235 00:12:20,457 --> 00:12:23,577 Speaker 2: the Department of Justice will change his view of the lawsuit. 236 00:12:23,697 --> 00:12:23,817 Speaker 3: Right. 237 00:12:23,857 --> 00:12:26,297 Speaker 2: So, in other words, they might say, hey, we agree 238 00:12:26,297 --> 00:12:30,097 Speaker 2: with Berenson, the unvaccinated should be a protected class, and 239 00:12:30,137 --> 00:12:34,057 Speaker 2: that would obviously like change the lawsuits. So but that 240 00:12:34,097 --> 00:12:36,657 Speaker 2: hasn't happened yet. You know, Trump is not president yet. 241 00:12:36,697 --> 00:12:38,097 Speaker 2: No one has told me are you. 242 00:12:38,097 --> 00:12:41,417 Speaker 1: Are you requesting I ask, because this would be public record. 243 00:12:41,657 --> 00:12:43,577 Speaker 1: Are you questing monetary damages? 244 00:12:44,977 --> 00:12:45,297 Speaker 2: I am? 245 00:12:45,417 --> 00:12:46,537 Speaker 3: I am so I so. 246 00:12:48,097 --> 00:12:51,257 Speaker 2: Yes, you can ask for monetary So you know, there's 247 00:12:51,377 --> 00:12:53,457 Speaker 2: kind of two kinds of relief you can ask for. 248 00:12:53,537 --> 00:12:56,057 Speaker 2: You can ask for injunctive relief, meaning this is going 249 00:12:56,097 --> 00:12:56,817 Speaker 2: on and it has to. 250 00:12:56,777 --> 00:12:59,937 Speaker 1: Stop, stop it, and you you're. 251 00:12:59,857 --> 00:13:02,697 Speaker 2: Gonna You can say, hey, uh, you know, my my 252 00:13:02,857 --> 00:13:06,497 Speaker 2: rights were violated. That should be something that I should 253 00:13:06,537 --> 00:13:09,097 Speaker 2: get compensation for. I actually didn't know this book and 254 00:13:09,137 --> 00:13:10,697 Speaker 2: I and I think most those people who are not 255 00:13:10,897 --> 00:13:14,897 Speaker 2: lawyers do not know this. You cannot sue the federal 256 00:13:14,897 --> 00:13:20,017 Speaker 2: government in most cases and say your constitutional rights are violated. 257 00:13:20,017 --> 00:13:22,057 Speaker 3: And get money damages. It is. 258 00:13:22,937 --> 00:13:25,377 Speaker 2: You can sue for lots of different things, but you 259 00:13:25,417 --> 00:13:28,297 Speaker 2: can't say, for example, my Second Amendment rights are violated 260 00:13:28,337 --> 00:13:31,737 Speaker 2: and get money damages. At this point, the Supreme Court 261 00:13:31,777 --> 00:13:34,177 Speaker 2: has not said you can sue and say my First 262 00:13:34,217 --> 00:13:37,057 Speaker 2: Amendment rights for violated and get money damages. You can 263 00:13:37,137 --> 00:13:40,457 Speaker 2: sue for your Fourth Amendment, Fifth Amendment, and Eighth Amendment 264 00:13:40,537 --> 00:13:43,537 Speaker 2: rights being violated and in some cases get damages, but 265 00:13:43,857 --> 00:13:45,977 Speaker 2: not the first or others. 266 00:13:46,057 --> 00:13:47,457 Speaker 3: It's kind of it's. 267 00:13:47,777 --> 00:13:50,657 Speaker 2: You would think that, like, hey, this should be something 268 00:13:50,697 --> 00:13:53,337 Speaker 2: where you know what, if my rights are violated, I 269 00:13:53,457 --> 00:13:57,777 Speaker 2: deserve some actual compensation. But the federal government's very wary 270 00:13:57,937 --> 00:13:59,857 Speaker 2: of allowing those kinds of lawsuits. 271 00:13:59,857 --> 00:14:02,777 Speaker 1: Interesting, let's talk about law fair here when we come 272 00:14:02,817 --> 00:14:06,457 Speaker 1: back in just a second. Our sponsor is IFCJ for 273 00:14:06,497 --> 00:14:09,377 Speaker 1: this segment. The Christmas and Honoka season is a time 274 00:14:09,377 --> 00:14:10,977 Speaker 1: of hope and peace so many of us, but for 275 00:14:11,017 --> 00:14:13,217 Speaker 1: those in Israel facing the ongoing war, it's a time 276 00:14:13,217 --> 00:14:16,017 Speaker 1: of fear and uncertainty. The hardships are felt by everyone, 277 00:14:16,057 --> 00:14:18,897 Speaker 1: with many people struggling to afford food and basic necessities 278 00:14:19,177 --> 00:14:21,337 Speaker 1: during this holiday season. 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It's 290 00:14:56,577 --> 00:14:58,817 Speaker 1: a question I'll pose to you, Alex, what is the 291 00:14:58,857 --> 00:15:01,977 Speaker 1: proper response to the lawfare that they have engaged in 292 00:15:02,017 --> 00:15:06,337 Speaker 1: against Trump? Because I to the degree that anybody's willing 293 00:15:06,337 --> 00:15:08,977 Speaker 1: to believe that anyone who votes for Trump is able 294 00:15:08,977 --> 00:15:11,737 Speaker 1: to sort of separate out the Trumpiness from the thing, 295 00:15:11,977 --> 00:15:18,017 Speaker 1: from the situation, the New York City case is a 296 00:15:18,017 --> 00:15:19,897 Speaker 1: a cluster. I'm trying to think of the right word. 297 00:15:19,897 --> 00:15:24,857 Speaker 1: It is so beyond the pale of reasonable legal action 298 00:15:25,177 --> 00:15:28,737 Speaker 1: for a prosecutor in this case, for the dish attorney 299 00:15:28,737 --> 00:15:32,377 Speaker 1: in New York City. It's such a grotesque abuse. And 300 00:15:32,457 --> 00:15:35,097 Speaker 1: I would argue what they did with the Egen Carol thing, 301 00:15:35,137 --> 00:15:39,097 Speaker 1: they eliminate the statute of limitations, opening this thing up 302 00:15:39,177 --> 00:15:41,737 Speaker 1: so that they can go after him civilly. How do 303 00:15:41,777 --> 00:15:44,737 Speaker 1: you disprove some woman saying you groped her thirty years 304 00:15:44,777 --> 00:15:46,457 Speaker 1: ago in a place where you have no proof of 305 00:15:46,537 --> 00:15:49,497 Speaker 1: you know? So, I mean we could start with that, like, 306 00:15:49,537 --> 00:15:51,577 Speaker 1: what they did to him is horrific, and then well, 307 00:15:51,577 --> 00:15:54,097 Speaker 1: what should what should Trump do in response, now that 308 00:15:54,137 --> 00:15:56,937 Speaker 1: he's in a position to do some pretty powerful and 309 00:15:56,977 --> 00:15:57,697 Speaker 1: important stuff. 310 00:15:58,457 --> 00:16:00,577 Speaker 2: Sure well, I mean so yeah, I mean all three 311 00:16:00,617 --> 00:16:02,657 Speaker 2: of the kids are You didn't even mentioned the worst 312 00:16:02,737 --> 00:16:05,737 Speaker 2: one of them all, which was the absurd civil fraud 313 00:16:05,857 --> 00:16:08,177 Speaker 2: case that the New York State Attorney General filed against 314 00:16:08,257 --> 00:16:10,777 Speaker 2: the guy right where you know where loans that he 315 00:16:10,857 --> 00:16:14,617 Speaker 2: repaid in full on time. Somehow he's being fined almost 316 00:16:14,657 --> 00:16:17,377 Speaker 2: a half billion dollars for So I think all three 317 00:16:17,417 --> 00:16:20,377 Speaker 2: cases were terrible and and you know I wrote about 318 00:16:20,377 --> 00:16:21,057 Speaker 2: this in the spring. 319 00:16:21,977 --> 00:16:26,697 Speaker 3: Those were lawfare. Guess what, he doesn't need to get revenge. 320 00:16:26,777 --> 00:16:30,697 Speaker 3: He has the best revenge. He won. He is the 321 00:16:30,697 --> 00:16:33,977 Speaker 3: next president of the United States. He has all the power. 322 00:16:34,497 --> 00:16:39,617 Speaker 2: It is humiliating for everybody on the Democratic side. And 323 00:16:39,617 --> 00:16:41,137 Speaker 2: and by the way, I'm not saying that, you know, 324 00:16:42,337 --> 00:16:46,017 Speaker 2: if they find you know, serious, I. 325 00:16:46,137 --> 00:16:48,457 Speaker 1: Think if someone abused like if someone broke the law 326 00:16:48,497 --> 00:16:51,097 Speaker 1: inside of that say the DOJ let's just say, I mean, 327 00:16:51,097 --> 00:16:53,817 Speaker 1: if they did something that that is that is that 328 00:16:53,897 --> 00:16:55,457 Speaker 1: is criminal, which it is possible. Mean, when I was 329 00:16:55,497 --> 00:16:58,777 Speaker 1: the NYPD, they talked about official misconduct. They're like, don't 330 00:16:58,817 --> 00:17:01,617 Speaker 1: joke around. There is official misconduct that rises to criminal 331 00:17:01,857 --> 00:17:04,657 Speaker 1: in nature. It's not just you know, uh, if someone 332 00:17:04,657 --> 00:17:07,057 Speaker 1: broke the law a doj to go after Trump. I 333 00:17:07,057 --> 00:17:10,017 Speaker 1: don't think we excuse that. I mean, we don't manufacture it, 334 00:17:10,137 --> 00:17:11,177 Speaker 1: but we don't excuse it. 335 00:17:12,217 --> 00:17:15,297 Speaker 2: Right, But you know, so I think you can get 336 00:17:15,337 --> 00:17:17,657 Speaker 2: caught in sort of snake eating its own tail. 337 00:17:17,817 --> 00:17:17,977 Speaker 3: Right. 338 00:17:18,097 --> 00:17:20,777 Speaker 2: So, so the Russia stuff was kind of where all 339 00:17:20,817 --> 00:17:24,057 Speaker 2: this started, right, and that was all bs right, Donald 340 00:17:24,057 --> 00:17:26,137 Speaker 2: Trump was not an agent of the Russian government. He 341 00:17:26,257 --> 00:17:29,657 Speaker 2: wasn't really in communication in any meaningful way. In twenty sixteen, 342 00:17:29,697 --> 00:17:32,337 Speaker 2: we all know that. Okay, they tried to impeach him 343 00:17:32,337 --> 00:17:34,297 Speaker 2: for it. It blew up on them, all. 344 00:17:34,377 --> 00:17:34,577 Speaker 3: Right. 345 00:17:35,177 --> 00:17:41,737 Speaker 2: Then what happens there's an investigation into the investigation, and 346 00:17:41,817 --> 00:17:45,337 Speaker 2: it turns out that doesn't After many years and much 347 00:17:45,497 --> 00:17:48,817 Speaker 2: sort of back and forth, that doesn't really go anywhere either. Right, 348 00:17:49,377 --> 00:17:52,177 Speaker 2: So at some point I think you just gotta you 349 00:17:52,297 --> 00:17:55,457 Speaker 2: just got to put an end to it. And the 350 00:17:54,977 --> 00:17:56,257 Speaker 2: reason the reason. 351 00:17:56,537 --> 00:17:58,977 Speaker 3: I am a little worried about this is, you know, yes, 352 00:17:59,657 --> 00:18:00,937 Speaker 3: on Monday. 353 00:18:02,137 --> 00:18:05,857 Speaker 2: Of this week, Donald Trump sued the des Moines Register 354 00:18:06,417 --> 00:18:10,337 Speaker 2: and this polster in Iowa who released this you know, complete. 355 00:18:10,137 --> 00:18:13,577 Speaker 1: An Seltzer who released the bonkers poll, and I said 356 00:18:13,577 --> 00:18:15,657 Speaker 1: it was bonkers that all my friends who know politics 357 00:18:15,657 --> 00:18:17,497 Speaker 1: said it was bonkers. At the time, it was insane. 358 00:18:17,657 --> 00:18:20,497 Speaker 1: It would be like saying Trump's gonna win California by ten. 359 00:18:21,457 --> 00:18:25,377 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely totally wrong. And because her record was so strong, 360 00:18:25,697 --> 00:18:28,377 Speaker 2: people took it seriously and it actually made a real 361 00:18:28,377 --> 00:18:30,537 Speaker 2: difference in the prediction markets the day it came out, 362 00:18:31,057 --> 00:18:33,737 Speaker 2: and it was just wrong. She was run by seventeen points. 363 00:18:33,937 --> 00:18:36,337 Speaker 2: Why was she wrung by seventeen points? I have no idea. 364 00:18:36,377 --> 00:18:40,137 Speaker 1: Sometimes she retired, so this was kind of like the 365 00:18:40,217 --> 00:18:43,897 Speaker 1: Dan Rather National Guard documents moment, like WHOA, You're done. 366 00:18:44,497 --> 00:18:48,057 Speaker 2: That's that's right, Like that ended her career. I don't 367 00:18:48,057 --> 00:18:51,017 Speaker 2: think Doland Trump needs to sue her for defamation. I 368 00:18:51,697 --> 00:18:54,937 Speaker 2: don't think I and this is a like I'm eating 369 00:18:54,937 --> 00:18:58,377 Speaker 2: my own cookie on this. There's a chance or I 370 00:18:58,537 --> 00:19:03,337 Speaker 2: could have certainly sued Scott Gottlieb for defamation in Barnson v. 371 00:19:03,457 --> 00:19:07,777 Speaker 2: Bi Okay, he said some stuff that you know, I think, 372 00:19:07,977 --> 00:19:10,377 Speaker 2: certainly in this new legal landscape about me. 373 00:19:12,337 --> 00:19:14,617 Speaker 3: Arguably rose to the level of defamation. 374 00:19:14,817 --> 00:19:19,377 Speaker 2: Okay, I didn't make defamation a claim in my lawsuit 375 00:19:19,617 --> 00:19:22,817 Speaker 2: because I'm a reporter first and foremost, and I don't 376 00:19:22,937 --> 00:19:26,457 Speaker 2: like really defamation suits. They chill the press. And you 377 00:19:26,457 --> 00:19:29,617 Speaker 2: know this is something in the lawsuit. Actually, we say 378 00:19:29,777 --> 00:19:32,537 Speaker 2: my lawyer, James Lawrence, and I say, over and over again, 379 00:19:33,217 --> 00:19:36,217 Speaker 2: I want robust to be I have no problem with 380 00:19:36,257 --> 00:19:39,297 Speaker 2: Andy Slavitt saying this guy's a jerk. He doesn't want 381 00:19:39,337 --> 00:19:42,497 Speaker 2: you know, he doesn't understand COVID, he doesn't understand the vaccines. 382 00:19:42,577 --> 00:19:44,337 Speaker 3: He doesn't care if your grandma dies. 383 00:19:44,177 --> 00:19:46,777 Speaker 2: He will have it or God leave. Those guys could 384 00:19:46,817 --> 00:19:50,377 Speaker 2: say whatever they wanted about me. What I didn't like 385 00:19:50,577 --> 00:19:53,217 Speaker 2: and what I am suing over is they tried and 386 00:19:53,257 --> 00:19:56,897 Speaker 2: succeeded in cutting off my access to a platform. Okay, 387 00:19:57,177 --> 00:20:00,657 Speaker 2: that's wrong, and I think it's wrong to try to 388 00:20:00,737 --> 00:20:02,937 Speaker 2: go after you know, at this point, Donald Trump's an 389 00:20:02,937 --> 00:20:04,937 Speaker 2: incredibly powerful guy. I mean, he's the most powerful guy 390 00:20:04,977 --> 00:20:07,737 Speaker 2: in the world. For him to start suing the Des 391 00:20:07,737 --> 00:20:10,937 Speaker 2: Moines Register, which is you know, probably like really functioning 392 00:20:10,977 --> 00:20:13,657 Speaker 2: and surviving at this point, and this woman who like 393 00:20:13,817 --> 00:20:17,137 Speaker 2: ended her career in the most humiliating way, what's the point. 394 00:20:17,417 --> 00:20:19,617 Speaker 1: Well, look, I don't think I don't think this suit 395 00:20:19,657 --> 00:20:21,777 Speaker 1: he's done suits in the past that haven't gone haven't 396 00:20:21,817 --> 00:20:23,657 Speaker 1: sort of gone to fruition, or you haven't gone the 397 00:20:23,697 --> 00:20:25,737 Speaker 1: way through. But let me let me ask you a 398 00:20:25,777 --> 00:20:27,417 Speaker 1: little a little bit of the other side of this. 399 00:20:28,217 --> 00:20:30,257 Speaker 1: First of all, as you know, I mean what they 400 00:20:30,457 --> 00:20:33,137 Speaker 1: did to him in the EG and Carol case. So 401 00:20:33,217 --> 00:20:36,377 Speaker 1: he says, I'm not a rapist. Basically this woman is 402 00:20:36,417 --> 00:20:38,577 Speaker 1: making it up, and then he gets sued from she. 403 00:20:38,737 --> 00:20:42,057 Speaker 3: And she sues him. That's right. I agree it's wrong. 404 00:20:42,577 --> 00:20:47,217 Speaker 2: Weaponizing defamation lawsuit is wrong, and I think that's true 405 00:20:47,257 --> 00:20:50,417 Speaker 2: of both sides. Okay, and the Democrats, you know, like 406 00:20:50,457 --> 00:20:53,217 Speaker 2: they're gonna complain about this. They brought this on themselves. 407 00:20:53,457 --> 00:20:56,097 Speaker 2: Who did Juliani one? Now that's a slightly harder case, 408 00:20:56,097 --> 00:20:58,817 Speaker 2: okay because Juliani, or somewhat harder, I would say, because 409 00:20:58,817 --> 00:21:01,457 Speaker 2: you know, he picked on these two random women and 410 00:21:01,497 --> 00:21:04,177 Speaker 2: they had real problems. But the idea that he's losing 411 00:21:04,297 --> 00:21:08,057 Speaker 2: everything one hundred and fifty million dollar verdict is crazy. 412 00:21:08,217 --> 00:21:09,777 Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, that's a crazy one. 413 00:21:10,217 --> 00:21:12,377 Speaker 1: When when you're giving one hundred and fifty million dollar 414 00:21:12,937 --> 00:21:15,257 Speaker 1: defamation verdicts, like why not make it a trillion? Like 415 00:21:15,297 --> 00:21:17,897 Speaker 1: at that point, it's just the number is just absurd. 416 00:21:18,057 --> 00:21:20,537 Speaker 1: It's you know, you're you're not dealing in reality, So 417 00:21:20,577 --> 00:21:21,817 Speaker 1: why would a court allow that? 418 00:21:23,057 --> 00:21:25,577 Speaker 2: Well, because again it's you know, you can sue in 419 00:21:25,617 --> 00:21:29,377 Speaker 2: a favorable jurisdiction. And suddenly the you know, sort of 420 00:21:29,377 --> 00:21:31,137 Speaker 2: the guardrails are off. 421 00:21:30,937 --> 00:21:33,057 Speaker 1: On because because I can just tell you, Alex, some 422 00:21:33,057 --> 00:21:35,177 Speaker 1: of the people listening going to say they appreciate your 423 00:21:35,177 --> 00:21:37,817 Speaker 1: your adherence to principle on this one. But if some 424 00:21:37,857 --> 00:21:41,177 Speaker 1: people don't feel the heat for what they've done up 425 00:21:41,177 --> 00:21:43,657 Speaker 1: to this point, doesn't it then just become a one 426 00:21:43,697 --> 00:21:46,497 Speaker 1: way battle, right? I mean, that's that's where I I about. 427 00:21:46,537 --> 00:21:48,297 Speaker 1: I don't pretend to have all the answers to this, 428 00:21:48,417 --> 00:21:51,297 Speaker 1: but I do feel like just you know, taking shots 429 00:21:51,297 --> 00:21:52,897 Speaker 1: in the face and hoping that it stops. 430 00:21:54,257 --> 00:21:56,177 Speaker 2: Let me give you a non partisan I think this 431 00:21:56,297 --> 00:21:58,617 Speaker 2: is a non partisan example, though it may be view 432 00:21:58,697 --> 00:22:00,977 Speaker 2: to you know, serve as a pro democratic example because 433 00:22:01,017 --> 00:22:04,257 Speaker 2: everything is a partisan he seeds. Okay, when when Trump 434 00:22:04,817 --> 00:22:09,137 Speaker 2: was you know, on trial, the criminal trum talking about 435 00:22:09,417 --> 00:22:12,537 Speaker 2: there were you know, Marshan, the judge issued these things 436 00:22:12,617 --> 00:22:13,977 Speaker 2: essentially preventing him. 437 00:22:13,857 --> 00:22:15,257 Speaker 1: From comic Yeah, the gagloryers. 438 00:22:15,377 --> 00:22:19,617 Speaker 2: Yeah, gagloryers. That's right, And I thought that was problematic. Okay, 439 00:22:19,857 --> 00:22:23,217 Speaker 2: it was. It's essentially suppressing his First Amendment rights. Now 440 00:22:23,257 --> 00:22:27,177 Speaker 2: he's he can't threaten Alvin Bragg, he can't threaten the jury, 441 00:22:27,217 --> 00:22:29,897 Speaker 2: but he should be allowed to make comments. And sometimes 442 00:22:29,937 --> 00:22:32,617 Speaker 2: he you know, he may make intemperate comments. That's life. 443 00:22:32,737 --> 00:22:35,737 Speaker 3: Okay. I didn't think that was right. Let me give 444 00:22:35,777 --> 00:22:39,537 Speaker 3: you right now, Sean Combs. He did he right. 445 00:22:39,657 --> 00:22:42,857 Speaker 2: He's in jail without bail for the sex trafficking chairs 446 00:22:43,097 --> 00:22:46,417 Speaker 2: sex trafficking charges. Okay, you can who about the merits 447 00:22:46,417 --> 00:22:49,017 Speaker 2: of the charges. I think what's been filed right now 448 00:22:49,137 --> 00:22:50,737 Speaker 2: is not very strong. That doesn't mean they don't have 449 00:22:50,737 --> 00:22:52,217 Speaker 2: a lot of evidence that they haven't produced. 450 00:22:52,377 --> 00:22:54,657 Speaker 1: Well, I do think they didn't. They find like illegal gun. 451 00:22:54,657 --> 00:22:56,017 Speaker 1: I mean they've got him on a bunch of stuff 452 00:22:56,057 --> 00:22:59,377 Speaker 1: like they found illegal guns, which if people dismissed that, 453 00:22:59,617 --> 00:23:01,457 Speaker 1: people go to prison for that stuff, Like I know, 454 00:23:01,537 --> 00:23:03,217 Speaker 1: I own a lot of legal guns. If you have 455 00:23:03,417 --> 00:23:05,497 Speaker 1: guns with no serial numbers on them that you filed 456 00:23:05,537 --> 00:23:08,697 Speaker 1: off like stuff like that gets people tend to prison guns. 457 00:23:08,777 --> 00:23:12,697 Speaker 2: The narcotics, him beating up his girlfriend in twenty sixteen 458 00:23:12,737 --> 00:23:13,897 Speaker 2: in a video he did. 459 00:23:13,937 --> 00:23:14,857 Speaker 3: He's a bad guy. 460 00:23:15,017 --> 00:23:17,697 Speaker 2: Okay, you want to send him to jail for that stuff. Okay, 461 00:23:18,017 --> 00:23:21,217 Speaker 2: that's not what he's been you know, indicted for, but 462 00:23:21,417 --> 00:23:26,857 Speaker 2: let's put that aside. He's trying to, you know, make 463 00:23:26,897 --> 00:23:29,537 Speaker 2: a case that he's a good guy, right, he's trying 464 00:23:29,537 --> 00:23:31,697 Speaker 2: to get his kids to talk on his behalf and 465 00:23:31,777 --> 00:23:35,217 Speaker 2: put out Instagram videos and you know, maybe you know 466 00:23:35,377 --> 00:23:38,937 Speaker 2: say like this stuff was consensual. And the prosecution right 467 00:23:38,977 --> 00:23:42,377 Speaker 2: now is basically even though there's been no and paneled jury, 468 00:23:42,777 --> 00:23:44,377 Speaker 2: there's not even you know, there's not even really the 469 00:23:44,417 --> 00:23:49,137 Speaker 2: beginnings of selection or anything like that, they're saying he 470 00:23:49,297 --> 00:23:51,177 Speaker 2: shouldn't be allowed to do any of that stuff. 471 00:23:51,377 --> 00:23:53,977 Speaker 1: He can try and throw something in the mix here 472 00:23:53,977 --> 00:23:55,657 Speaker 1: that I think you know that that this is just 473 00:23:55,737 --> 00:23:58,977 Speaker 1: on a on a higher philosophical level of our judicial system. 474 00:23:59,697 --> 00:24:02,817 Speaker 1: We have learned that judges are effectively part as an 475 00:24:02,817 --> 00:24:05,537 Speaker 1: actor's Unfortunately, people can try to pretend all day long, 476 00:24:05,897 --> 00:24:07,857 Speaker 1: but they should it here to the law. We hope 477 00:24:07,857 --> 00:24:09,817 Speaker 1: they'd hear the law. But then look at what happens 478 00:24:09,817 --> 00:24:12,377 Speaker 1: with the Supreme Court. It's my team, their team, My team, 479 00:24:12,417 --> 00:24:15,897 Speaker 1: their team, Like there's an understanding anybody who's paying attention 480 00:24:15,937 --> 00:24:19,457 Speaker 1: and honest knows this the notion of an unbiased jury 481 00:24:19,497 --> 00:24:25,337 Speaker 1: pool now in an era of instantaneous social media, constant connectivity, 482 00:24:25,377 --> 00:24:29,377 Speaker 1: et cetera, especially when you there's really no such thing, right. 483 00:24:29,417 --> 00:24:30,977 Speaker 1: That used to be like, if you think about the 484 00:24:30,977 --> 00:24:33,417 Speaker 1: old paradigm, it was like, find a few people who 485 00:24:33,457 --> 00:24:36,537 Speaker 1: are average everyday citizens who don't already have an opinion 486 00:24:36,657 --> 00:24:37,817 Speaker 1: on the following. 487 00:24:38,577 --> 00:24:39,857 Speaker 3: It's with someone like p Diddy. 488 00:24:39,857 --> 00:24:42,617 Speaker 1: That's everyone's gonna know about this. Everyone's gonna write stuff. 489 00:24:44,097 --> 00:24:45,137 Speaker 3: That's right, that's right. 490 00:24:45,177 --> 00:24:47,417 Speaker 2: And by the way, there's stuff getting leaked about what 491 00:24:47,457 --> 00:24:49,977 Speaker 2: a bad guy he is by the you know, prosecution 492 00:24:50,177 --> 00:24:53,857 Speaker 2: and the investigators frankly every day. So he's trying to 493 00:24:53,897 --> 00:24:57,577 Speaker 2: fight back. They're trying to suppress his First Amendment rights. 494 00:24:57,617 --> 00:24:59,337 Speaker 2: Now he may be the worst guy in the world. 495 00:24:59,497 --> 00:25:01,097 Speaker 2: He may have done this stuff, and they may have 496 00:25:01,217 --> 00:25:02,737 Speaker 2: him dead to rights, and he may go to jail 497 00:25:02,737 --> 00:25:05,697 Speaker 2: for the rest of his life. Right now, he's innocent, okay, 498 00:25:05,737 --> 00:25:07,017 Speaker 2: even though he can't get bail. 499 00:25:07,297 --> 00:25:08,857 Speaker 3: He's innocent until proven guilty. 500 00:25:09,057 --> 00:25:11,337 Speaker 2: And I don't think it's right, okay, for the same 501 00:25:11,497 --> 00:25:14,537 Speaker 2: reason I didn't think Donald Trump should be gagged from 502 00:25:14,577 --> 00:25:18,097 Speaker 2: speaking about his case. So what we're seeing broadly is 503 00:25:18,217 --> 00:25:22,937 Speaker 2: efforts to attack the First Amendment by prosecutors, by you know, 504 00:25:23,057 --> 00:25:26,097 Speaker 2: people on the left, and sometimes by people on the 505 00:25:26,177 --> 00:25:30,057 Speaker 2: right too. And I think it's a bad idea, okay. 506 00:25:30,697 --> 00:25:33,257 Speaker 2: And you know, we have a tradition in the United 507 00:25:33,257 --> 00:25:36,777 Speaker 2: States of unfettered debate. I think it's really important to 508 00:25:36,777 --> 00:25:37,497 Speaker 2: the country. 509 00:25:37,857 --> 00:25:38,577 Speaker 3: And you can. 510 00:25:38,497 --> 00:25:42,057 Speaker 2: See in Europe when you start letting people you know, 511 00:25:42,217 --> 00:25:45,177 Speaker 2: get arrested because they say things the government doesn't like, 512 00:25:45,657 --> 00:25:49,297 Speaker 2: it actually happens. Okay, it happens in Germany, It's happening 513 00:25:49,297 --> 00:25:52,497 Speaker 2: increasingly in England. I don't want to live in that country. 514 00:25:52,657 --> 00:25:55,417 Speaker 2: I'd rather have too much speech than not enough. I'd 515 00:25:55,497 --> 00:25:58,697 Speaker 2: rather have all the eight Chan trolls in the world, okay. 516 00:25:58,937 --> 00:26:03,897 Speaker 2: And somehow the left has forgotten this now. I don't 517 00:26:03,897 --> 00:26:05,137 Speaker 2: want the right to forget it too. 518 00:26:06,337 --> 00:26:09,217 Speaker 1: I've got a closing question for Alex. Here a second, 519 00:26:09,377 --> 00:26:11,297 Speaker 1: I'll put it out there, Alex, but we're we're gonna 520 00:26:11,337 --> 00:26:13,377 Speaker 1: have a pause on your answer because I have to 521 00:26:13,737 --> 00:26:16,497 Speaker 1: mention our sponsor here. But closing question would be the 522 00:26:16,497 --> 00:26:21,417 Speaker 1: most important thing for public health that could be achieved 523 00:26:21,777 --> 00:26:24,577 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five for Trump. Most more thing that 524 00:26:24,617 --> 00:26:26,977 Speaker 1: could make people healthy that could be done, going for it, 525 00:26:27,057 --> 00:26:29,817 Speaker 1: but hold up for that. Look, I know for a 526 00:26:29,817 --> 00:26:32,257 Speaker 1: lot of people your team is coming in right now. 527 00:26:32,297 --> 00:26:34,777 Speaker 1: Trump a lot of good things for the economy, a 528 00:26:34,817 --> 00:26:37,817 Speaker 1: lot of reason for optimism. But we still have a 529 00:26:37,817 --> 00:26:39,297 Speaker 1: big problem with the debt and that's not going to 530 00:26:39,377 --> 00:26:41,617 Speaker 1: any time soon. And no matter what happens, this is 531 00:26:41,617 --> 00:26:45,497 Speaker 1: something that poses a systemic risk to the long term 532 00:26:45,617 --> 00:26:49,217 Speaker 1: financial security of the dollar of the United States. So 533 00:26:49,217 --> 00:26:51,657 Speaker 1: so many people have taken action about this and try 534 00:26:51,697 --> 00:26:55,897 Speaker 1: to diversify a bit, diversifying into gold specifically, Birch Golden 535 00:26:55,897 --> 00:26:58,017 Speaker 1: Group will help you convert an IRA or four to 536 00:26:58,057 --> 00:27:00,497 Speaker 1: one K, for example, into an IRA in physical gold. 537 00:27:00,697 --> 00:27:02,337 Speaker 1: And the best news, it doesn't cost you a penny 538 00:27:02,377 --> 00:27:04,937 Speaker 1: out of pocket. Text buck to ninety eight ninety eight 539 00:27:05,057 --> 00:27:07,977 Speaker 1: ninety eight get your free info hit plus right now 540 00:27:08,017 --> 00:27:10,697 Speaker 1: through Black Friday. You'll receive a free one ounce silver 541 00:27:10,737 --> 00:27:13,937 Speaker 1: Eagle for every five thousand dollars purchase. Protect your savings 542 00:27:13,937 --> 00:27:16,817 Speaker 1: with Birch Gold Text b U c K to ninety 543 00:27:16,857 --> 00:27:19,497 Speaker 1: eight ninety eight ninety eight and claim you are free 544 00:27:19,697 --> 00:27:23,417 Speaker 1: eligibil or your eligibility rather for free silver today are nolex. 545 00:27:23,457 --> 00:27:26,777 Speaker 1: Most important thing that could be done by Trump and 546 00:27:27,057 --> 00:27:30,297 Speaker 1: whever his HHS secretary will be, people think rf K Junior. 547 00:27:30,337 --> 00:27:32,017 Speaker 1: There's gonna be a lot of opposition to that, I think, 548 00:27:32,057 --> 00:27:34,937 Speaker 1: but we'll see what could be done. 549 00:27:35,937 --> 00:27:38,057 Speaker 2: So by the way, I think r K Junior gets in, 550 00:27:38,897 --> 00:27:42,697 Speaker 2: if they can limit I mean the most important sort 551 00:27:42,697 --> 00:27:44,777 Speaker 2: of specific thing they can do, If they can limit 552 00:27:44,817 --> 00:27:48,537 Speaker 2: pharmaceutical advertising to consumers, that'd be a big deal. 553 00:27:48,577 --> 00:27:49,177 Speaker 3: Now they can't. 554 00:27:49,377 --> 00:27:51,577 Speaker 2: I'm convinced they cannot ban it because you know, we 555 00:27:51,617 --> 00:27:53,777 Speaker 2: have pretty strong Again, you're just. 556 00:27:54,057 --> 00:27:56,337 Speaker 1: Very passionate about the First Amendment. We can't. 557 00:27:56,377 --> 00:27:58,857 Speaker 3: That's right, But that's no no. But but I don't 558 00:27:58,857 --> 00:28:00,057 Speaker 3: think that they should ban it. 559 00:28:00,337 --> 00:28:02,057 Speaker 2: But I do think that, you know, there should be 560 00:28:02,137 --> 00:28:05,977 Speaker 2: better disclosure of risk that you know, these these products 561 00:28:06,097 --> 00:28:09,617 Speaker 2: can't be bought directly by consumers, so there should be 562 00:28:09,697 --> 00:28:14,057 Speaker 2: reasons limits on how they are marketed to consumers. And 563 00:28:14,057 --> 00:28:16,057 Speaker 2: and I don't really think we have those right now. 564 00:28:16,657 --> 00:28:18,497 Speaker 2: Call me a hypocrite if you want. I don't think 565 00:28:18,537 --> 00:28:21,017 Speaker 2: that that's a hypocritical position. I'm not calling for the 566 00:28:21,057 --> 00:28:24,057 Speaker 2: total band, just better disclosure. 567 00:28:24,057 --> 00:28:25,217 Speaker 3: I guess I would say, do. 568 00:28:25,137 --> 00:28:28,337 Speaker 1: We I mean on the vaccine schedule, because you know, 569 00:28:28,377 --> 00:28:31,657 Speaker 1: I want to really poke the bear here. I'm someone 570 00:28:31,737 --> 00:28:33,697 Speaker 1: I think was doctor Marty McCay actually told me in 571 00:28:33,697 --> 00:28:37,217 Speaker 1: an interview it's something like seventy there's something like seventy 572 00:28:37,297 --> 00:28:41,057 Speaker 1: vaccines that how is this possible that we have so 573 00:28:41,137 --> 00:28:41,977 Speaker 1: many vaccines? 574 00:28:42,017 --> 00:28:44,457 Speaker 3: Now? We've had we've had vaccine creep. 575 00:28:44,737 --> 00:28:47,217 Speaker 2: Honestly, we've had, you know, from stuff that you know 576 00:28:47,257 --> 00:28:49,817 Speaker 2: that I don't think anybody would think, or maybe a 577 00:28:49,817 --> 00:28:53,577 Speaker 2: few people, but you know, polio or or or measles, 578 00:28:53,777 --> 00:28:57,337 Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, you know there's there's an 579 00:28:57,457 --> 00:29:02,177 Speaker 2: HPV vaccine, you know, which that's a sexually transmitted disease. 580 00:29:02,257 --> 00:29:04,777 Speaker 3: Like I think it's you know, it's. 581 00:29:04,617 --> 00:29:09,457 Speaker 2: A legitimate, uh question, and something that parents should get 582 00:29:09,457 --> 00:29:11,137 Speaker 2: to decide if you want your twelve year old to 583 00:29:11,137 --> 00:29:12,217 Speaker 2: get the HPV vaccine. 584 00:29:12,257 --> 00:29:13,457 Speaker 3: It really shouldn't be pushed. 585 00:29:13,937 --> 00:29:17,657 Speaker 2: But you know, you've had this this creep because public 586 00:29:17,697 --> 00:29:20,497 Speaker 2: health experts basically love vaccines. 587 00:29:20,497 --> 00:29:21,617 Speaker 3: But let me let me pull back. 588 00:29:21,657 --> 00:29:24,217 Speaker 2: Okay, I gave you one specific example, and you you 589 00:29:24,257 --> 00:29:27,137 Speaker 2: sort of gave me one specific example. I think the 590 00:29:27,297 --> 00:29:30,537 Speaker 2: number one thing that could happen. That would make public 591 00:29:30,617 --> 00:29:33,257 Speaker 2: health better in the United States, that would help us 592 00:29:33,297 --> 00:29:36,617 Speaker 2: all be healthier is if we were all more genuinely 593 00:29:36,817 --> 00:29:39,137 Speaker 2: skeptical of medicine. 594 00:29:39,217 --> 00:29:42,937 Speaker 3: And I don't mean that that means you. 595 00:29:42,977 --> 00:29:45,817 Speaker 2: Never go to the doctor, okay, or that you never 596 00:29:45,897 --> 00:29:47,937 Speaker 2: take a vaccine, or that you never, you know, let 597 00:29:47,977 --> 00:29:49,097 Speaker 2: your kid get immunized. 598 00:29:49,137 --> 00:29:51,417 Speaker 3: What I mean is the. 599 00:29:51,457 --> 00:29:53,737 Speaker 2: Number one thing you can do for your own health 600 00:29:53,817 --> 00:29:58,177 Speaker 2: is to eat decently, exercise reasonably, get some good sleep, 601 00:29:58,257 --> 00:29:59,097 Speaker 2: and get outside. 602 00:29:59,217 --> 00:30:02,737 Speaker 3: Okay. It's that simple. And we in the United States 603 00:30:03,057 --> 00:30:03,777 Speaker 3: in particular. 604 00:30:03,857 --> 00:30:06,657 Speaker 2: It's true in every advanced country, but it's really true 605 00:30:06,697 --> 00:30:09,777 Speaker 2: in this country. We get ourselves sick, we let ourselves 606 00:30:09,817 --> 00:30:12,857 Speaker 2: get and then we expect things of medicine that it 607 00:30:12,977 --> 00:30:16,537 Speaker 2: cannot provide, okay. And I think I think this sort 608 00:30:16,577 --> 00:30:20,057 Speaker 2: of philosophical idea that that is another reason we are 609 00:30:20,097 --> 00:30:22,617 Speaker 2: so angry at healthcare in this country. We spend so 610 00:30:22,737 --> 00:30:25,217 Speaker 2: much on it and we expect it to do more 611 00:30:25,257 --> 00:30:28,897 Speaker 2: than it can. Ultimately, you're going to be responsible for 612 00:30:28,937 --> 00:30:31,297 Speaker 2: You've got to be responsible for your own health, and 613 00:30:31,457 --> 00:30:34,177 Speaker 2: ultimately you've got to know, like over time, your health 614 00:30:34,297 --> 00:30:36,657 Speaker 2: is going to deteriorate as you age, you've got to 615 00:30:36,697 --> 00:30:39,177 Speaker 2: fight it, you've got to try your best, and you 616 00:30:39,337 --> 00:30:43,377 Speaker 2: can't depend on doctors to fix things for you all 617 00:30:43,417 --> 00:30:43,817 Speaker 2: the time. 618 00:30:44,977 --> 00:30:48,737 Speaker 1: I think that that's completely spot on, and uh, there's 619 00:30:48,777 --> 00:30:51,377 Speaker 1: a brilliant summation of a very important problem. I honestly 620 00:30:51,737 --> 00:30:55,097 Speaker 1: truly like not no all kidding aside. I think that's 621 00:30:55,097 --> 00:30:57,337 Speaker 1: absolutely essential. I think that that actually goes to the 622 00:30:57,417 --> 00:31:03,537 Speaker 1: United Healthcare CEO assassination sort of sympathizers. Then I think 623 00:31:03,537 --> 00:31:05,577 Speaker 1: it's a proper word. The people that are sympathizing with 624 00:31:05,697 --> 00:31:08,777 Speaker 1: is they keep thinking, if only, you know, the big 625 00:31:08,817 --> 00:31:11,777 Speaker 1: bad healthcare companies things differently, No, we would actually still 626 00:31:11,817 --> 00:31:14,337 Speaker 1: have all the morbidity that we have and all this 627 00:31:14,377 --> 00:31:16,977 Speaker 1: stuff out there. It's actually very rare for someone to 628 00:31:16,977 --> 00:31:19,817 Speaker 1: be denied life saving, truly life saving care by a 629 00:31:19,897 --> 00:31:24,457 Speaker 1: healthcare company. You know, these things actually are overwhelmingly not happening. 630 00:31:24,457 --> 00:31:26,457 Speaker 1: And whenever someone yells at me for saying this, I 631 00:31:26,537 --> 00:31:30,297 Speaker 1: point out that in every poll, sixty five percent of 632 00:31:30,297 --> 00:31:33,137 Speaker 1: Americans give or take say that they like their they 633 00:31:33,257 --> 00:31:35,297 Speaker 1: like their health care, which means they like their health 634 00:31:35,297 --> 00:31:37,777 Speaker 1: their health care company, and in some polls it's like 635 00:31:37,857 --> 00:31:38,977 Speaker 1: seventy five percent. 636 00:31:39,057 --> 00:31:39,657 Speaker 3: By the way. 637 00:31:39,777 --> 00:31:43,097 Speaker 1: So this idea that you know, oh, if only the 638 00:31:43,097 --> 00:31:47,257 Speaker 1: big healthcare companies were regulated differently, did things differently, what 639 00:31:47,337 --> 00:31:49,137 Speaker 1: everything would be fine. I just think that's I think 640 00:31:49,177 --> 00:31:52,337 Speaker 1: it's a fantasy. It's a little bit of a of 641 00:31:52,377 --> 00:31:54,657 Speaker 1: a utopian mindset. And I think that that's what you're 642 00:31:54,657 --> 00:31:56,777 Speaker 1: going to do, which is people need to be very active. 643 00:31:56,937 --> 00:31:59,217 Speaker 1: The people that I know who have the most disposable 644 00:31:59,257 --> 00:32:03,937 Speaker 1: resources and the most interest in their health are incredibly 645 00:32:04,377 --> 00:32:08,457 Speaker 1: active in all aspects of it. Meaning they seek out 646 00:32:08,497 --> 00:32:11,177 Speaker 1: certain kinds of doctors, seek out and kinds of specialists, 647 00:32:11,217 --> 00:32:14,737 Speaker 1: and seek out a lot of preventative care, you know, 648 00:32:14,897 --> 00:32:18,497 Speaker 1: active management of health, blood work every six months, you know, 649 00:32:18,697 --> 00:32:20,777 Speaker 1: all these kinds of things. And those are the people 650 00:32:20,817 --> 00:32:23,137 Speaker 1: that can spend it take care of themselves right right, 651 00:32:23,177 --> 00:32:24,737 Speaker 1: And those are the people that can spend whatever money 652 00:32:24,737 --> 00:32:26,697 Speaker 1: they want on their health. They don't show up at 653 00:32:26,737 --> 00:32:29,857 Speaker 1: a doctor once every year or two, you know, and 654 00:32:29,857 --> 00:32:31,977 Speaker 1: and have not done these things that you're talking about, 655 00:32:31,977 --> 00:32:33,977 Speaker 1: which you're critical for. Eleman. Remember when remember when this 656 00:32:34,177 --> 00:32:37,457 Speaker 1: radical idea with COVID was you need vitamin D like 657 00:32:37,457 --> 00:32:40,337 Speaker 1: you actually need to get sunlight and and and it 658 00:32:40,457 --> 00:32:42,697 Speaker 1: really came through that that was important for you and 659 00:32:42,737 --> 00:32:45,857 Speaker 1: your immunity levels for COVID vitamin D And people at 660 00:32:45,897 --> 00:32:47,697 Speaker 1: first were like, well that's all that can't be and 661 00:32:47,697 --> 00:32:50,537 Speaker 1: it's like, no, it actually we've always known this, These 662 00:32:50,537 --> 00:32:53,857 Speaker 1: are these are things that matter. So I completely agree 663 00:32:53,857 --> 00:32:54,137 Speaker 1: with you. 664 00:32:55,017 --> 00:32:57,857 Speaker 2: Well, well, hopefully twenty twenty five will be a good year, 665 00:32:58,017 --> 00:33:00,177 Speaker 2: and uh and we will, you know, we'll get matching 666 00:33:00,257 --> 00:33:01,137 Speaker 2: T shirts for now. 667 00:33:01,177 --> 00:33:04,057 Speaker 1: I know it was the it was green shirt they 668 00:33:04,217 --> 00:33:06,657 Speaker 1: on the Buck Show. Tell me where where should everyone go? 669 00:33:06,977 --> 00:33:10,017 Speaker 1: Just substack right, substack to follow subject subscribe. 670 00:33:10,257 --> 00:33:13,577 Speaker 2: The sub sect is called Unreported Truths and you can 671 00:33:13,617 --> 00:33:17,697 Speaker 2: find it at Alex Berenson my name dot subseac dot com. 672 00:33:18,697 --> 00:33:21,257 Speaker 2: So please, you know, and you know the good thing 673 00:33:21,297 --> 00:33:23,857 Speaker 2: about it is almost everything on there, practically everything on 674 00:33:23,937 --> 00:33:28,017 Speaker 2: there is free. I've been very very fortunate last few years. 675 00:33:28,297 --> 00:33:31,537 Speaker 2: People subscribe and pay me for content that they can 676 00:33:31,617 --> 00:33:35,057 Speaker 2: get for free. And you know, I don't mean to like, 677 00:33:35,537 --> 00:33:37,697 Speaker 2: well up here or whatever, but I am truly grateful 678 00:33:37,777 --> 00:33:39,217 Speaker 2: for that. And it's a real community. 679 00:33:39,497 --> 00:33:43,417 Speaker 1: Well, you know, there are there's a crossover between those 680 00:33:43,497 --> 00:33:46,497 Speaker 1: who are Baronson fans of your work and appreciate your 681 00:33:46,537 --> 00:33:50,297 Speaker 1: work when it was especially powerful in the COVID issue 682 00:33:50,297 --> 00:33:52,257 Speaker 1: and continue to volue this day and people that listen 683 00:33:52,377 --> 00:33:56,217 Speaker 1: to this show or listen to our radio show, because 684 00:33:56,257 --> 00:34:00,137 Speaker 1: for those of us who who remember, and many of 685 00:34:00,257 --> 00:34:02,457 Speaker 1: us do, it was lonely man. 686 00:34:02,777 --> 00:34:02,937 Speaker 2: I know. 687 00:34:03,017 --> 00:34:05,697 Speaker 1: I I remember texting Alex like these people are insane? 688 00:34:05,777 --> 00:34:08,177 Speaker 1: What's going on? He's like, I know, but everyone's insane 689 00:34:08,257 --> 00:34:08,777 Speaker 1: pretty much. 690 00:34:08,897 --> 00:34:10,857 Speaker 3: So yeah, it was. 691 00:34:11,497 --> 00:34:14,057 Speaker 2: And we will see what happens with Benson d Biden. 692 00:34:14,177 --> 00:34:16,297 Speaker 2: So you know, keep your finger strossed, or say a 693 00:34:16,337 --> 00:34:17,577 Speaker 2: little prayer if that's your thing. 694 00:34:17,577 --> 00:34:19,857 Speaker 3: And you know, hope for good news. 695 00:34:20,217 --> 00:34:22,577 Speaker 1: If if the government has to write you a like 696 00:34:22,697 --> 00:34:25,377 Speaker 1: a nine figure check, you know, remember who your friends, 697 00:34:25,537 --> 00:34:26,337 Speaker 1: Remember who your friends. 698 00:34:26,377 --> 00:34:28,297 Speaker 3: There were a party, There will be a party. 699 00:34:28,297 --> 00:34:31,217 Speaker 1: There we go, all right, Happy, happy holidays, Alex, thanks 700 00:34:31,257 --> 00:34:33,457 Speaker 1: so much, you too, Thank you, sir,