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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, the so called killer mother

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Speaker 1: in law suspect to walk out of jail because of

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Speaker 1: wait for it, earwax, Yes, earwax. I'm Nancy Grace. This

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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: A Florida grandmother arrested for plotting to death of her

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Speaker 2: former son in law, now begging a judge to let

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Speaker 2: her out of jail as she waits for her trial

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Speaker 2: to start.

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Speaker 1: A loving father and esteemed law professor is gunned down.

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Speaker 3: At his own home in his own vehicle.

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Speaker 1: Why now you see the manner below me that the

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Speaker 1: alleged mastermind of the murder plot, his own mother in law,

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Speaker 1: wants out of jail for many, many reasons, most notably

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Speaker 1: because she has earwax.

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Speaker 3: I couldn't even make that up.

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Speaker 1: But let's have a little reality check about what this

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Speaker 1: case is all about. Not the mother in law's symptoms he's.

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Speaker 3: Dreamed up behind bars. This is what it's about.

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Speaker 4: I one want to see address of your emergency.

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, tell me.

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Speaker 4: Exactly what happened.

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Speaker 5: We heard it looked in the garage goal was up

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Speaker 5: and I thought the gentleman was backing out, and I

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Speaker 5: went back to my house, but he never backed out,

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Speaker 5: and I came back over and his wind his driver's

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Speaker 5: side window is shattered. He's moving his head around, but

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Speaker 5: he's not responding. I've called his name, asked what's going on?

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Speaker 5: And I call his name, asking what's happening. He's not

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Speaker 5: responding to that, but his head's kind of rolling around.

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Speaker 6: Okay.

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Speaker 3: Is he conscious?

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Speaker 7: Well?

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Speaker 5: I can't tell.

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Speaker 4: Okay, is he breathing?

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Speaker 5: I can't tell that. I'm assuming he's breathing if he's

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Speaker 5: moving his head around.

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Speaker 3: Did you ever hear him talk or anything?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 4: Okay, he said he's sitting in the car right correct,

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Speaker 4: Wherever Dad is in the driver's seat in.

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Speaker 5: The driver's seat, is in the garage or in the garage?

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Speaker 1: Okay, in the car in his own garage, the windows

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Speaker 1: shattered to his vehicle. A young dad, a loving, that

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Speaker 1: adoting dad, and by all accounts, a brilliant lawyer. Could

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Speaker 1: have been in a think tank. That's smart dead. Why

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Speaker 1: this as the monster in law? The mother in law

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Speaker 1: claims she needs to be out of jail, walk free

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Speaker 1: because of ear wax, you know, straight out to Robert

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Speaker 1: Crispin joined me from this location. Investigator at Crispin Special Investigations,

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Speaker 1: former federal task force in this jurisdiction with the DEA

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Speaker 1: and the Miami Field Division. Former homicide detective Robert thank

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Speaker 1: you for being with us. First of all, where are you.

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Speaker 9: So, actually, Nancy? I am literally right behind where miss

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Speaker 9: Allison's condo is. It's actually those two aqua green glass buildings.

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Speaker 9: They sit forty stories above the ground and they overlook

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Speaker 9: keep a skain. They overlooked to my left all the

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Speaker 9: cruise ships, and they have great views of the beach

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Speaker 9: It's a beautiful condominium building. And back in twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 9: she paid a million seven for this place. Today it's

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Speaker 9: about two million bucks. It's a beautiful place in quite

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Speaker 9: the place that I certainly wouldn't think that she would

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Speaker 9: trade for an eight foot in jail cell. What was

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Speaker 9: she thinking, well.

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Speaker 1: Robert Crispin, although I appreciate everything that you just said,

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Speaker 3: Of course she wants out of jail.

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Speaker 1: It's yet to be proven by the way that she

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Speaker 1: is in fact the murder mastermind. We're waiting on that.

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Speaker 1: But what I'm coming to you for, Crispin is this

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Speaker 1: is your jurisdiction. You were homicide investigator before you went

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Speaker 1: with Dea. He was alive and conscious, moving his head,

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Speaker 9: There probably got snored respiration, which I'm sure if we

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Speaker 9: He can't tell anybody anything, and he gives the detectives

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Speaker 1: Well, Robert Crispin, you're talking about Are you talking about

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Speaker 1: a death rasp? Is that what you're talking about? The

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Speaker 9: You know, I think anybody who's seen somebody shot or

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Speaker 9: They call it the death rattle or the death snore, you.

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Speaker 1: addition to Robert Crispin on the scene. Doctor Esan, thank

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Speaker 1: you for being with us, board certified forensic pathologist.

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Speaker 3: What is that the death rattle? What does that mean?

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Speaker 1: I mean, you and I are familiar with it, But

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Speaker 1: for those of lucky people that haven't heard it before,

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Speaker 1: explain what was happening as Professor Markle died, a father

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Speaker 10: It's just agonble respirations is what we call it when

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Speaker 10: someone has sustained an injury and they're going through the

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Speaker 10: dying process and just reflect activity will keep you breathing.

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Speaker 10: Part of the problem, or part of the issue with

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Speaker 10: this case here is that he was shot in the heads.

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Speaker 10: There's probably a big chance that there was a fracture

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Speaker 10: So it's probably a combination of the agon will reflect

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Speaker 10: perspirations combined with asperating his own blood is probably what

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is so much to take in too.

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Speaker 1: We need a shrink to doctor Judy Hoe joining me,

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Speaker 1: clinical and forensic neuro psychologist, author of the New Rules

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Speaker 1: of Attachment and stop self Sabotage at doctor Judyhoe dot com.

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Speaker 3: Doctor Judy, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: I'm having a hard time at getting my arms around

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Speaker 1: what we're hearing because the mother in law, who is

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Speaker 1: of Professor marcel I had such a great mother in

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Speaker 3: Believe it or not, we never had.

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Speaker 1: A single crossword ever, and now the mother in law

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Speaker 1: is accused of murderer and she is coming up with

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Speaker 1: one Kakammi excuse after the next to get bond like

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Speaker 1: Dinny for Pete's sake. She claims she has an earwax problem.

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Speaker 3: That a mother in law would do this.

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Speaker 3: Doctor Judy exactly, Nancy.

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Speaker 8: I mean, I get that she's presumed innocent until she's

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Speaker 8: proven guilty, But with all of these excuses, she's really

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Speaker 8: playing the sympathy card hard, and I think the jury's

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Speaker 8: going to have a really hard time because it's like, Hello,

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Speaker 8: your son in law is dead and you are being

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Speaker 8: accused of being the mastermind behind his murder. You seem

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Speaker 8: really obsessed with all these things, from really tiny small

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Speaker 1: Joining me right now as a special guest, Dave Arenberg

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Speaker 1: a very dear friend, Professor Dan Markel, Palm Beach County

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Speaker 1: State Attorney. Dave, thank you for being with us. Do

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Speaker 1: you recall when you learned Dan not only had passed away,

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Speaker 1: but was murdered.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, it could be with you, Nancy. When I first

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Speaker 11: heard about Dan's murder, I was shell shocked because here's

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Speaker 11: someone who cared deeply about his family, as you directly said,

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Speaker 11: and he made an impact on his students. He could

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Speaker 11: have made a lot more money in the private sector,

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Speaker 11: but he cared deeply about educating future generations. And who

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Speaker 11: would want to kill someone like that. I had no answers,

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Speaker 11: and it really is still a shock that you have

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Speaker 11: someone without any previous criminal records, Donna Adelson, who obviously

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Speaker 11: someone who there's a growing evidence that she was the mastermind.

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Speaker 11: And it's unbelievable how you have someone who previously has

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Speaker 11: get away with first degree murder. But on the other hand,

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Speaker 11: pending trial, when no one accused the first degree murder

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Speaker 11: of earwax. I don't think it's ever happened in the history.

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Speaker 1: I want to follow up on what you're saying, Dave,

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Speaker 1: and I want to circle back to you regarding how

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Speaker 1: you learned that your longtime friend Dan had been murdered.

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Speaker 3: But to you, Robert.

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Speaker 1: Crispin, you and I have dealt was so many homicides

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Speaker 1: and so many unlikely chillers that I mean, just the

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Speaker 1: because people are too loud behind Mars, because she's not

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Speaker 3: I mean, she's not thinking anything about Dan.

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Speaker 9: How many times have we seen in these homicide cases,

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Speaker 9: and Dave Eiberg, he'll tell you these domestic related homicide investigations,

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Speaker 9: they always filter back. They go to the top of

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Speaker 9: the food chain, the grandmother. The grandmother's funding the litigation

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Speaker 9: because the person can't afford it. That's all right, I'll

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Speaker 9: fund it. I don't like him, I love those kids.

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Speaker 9: I'm gonna get you your kids. These things are not uncommon.

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Speaker 9: Murder is uncommon, and the way this one down is

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Speaker 3: But it's not uncommon for.

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Speaker 9: Someone like Dona Allison to get involved, funded and try

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Speaker 9: her daughter and get them down to South Florida in Miami.

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Speaker 9: I mean, come on, would.

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Speaker 1: You know Dave Arenberg joining us out of West Palm

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Speaker 1: Beach former Palm Beach County State attorney, our private attorney, Dave,

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Speaker 1: tell me how you discovered Dan had been murdered.

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Speaker 11: A good friend of mine called me who was also

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Speaker 11: it was just you never expect to get that phone

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Speaker 11: call that a friend of yours had been murdered, especially

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Speaker 11: one like Danny who did not engage in any high

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Speaker 11: risk behavior. You know, he wasn't a drug user, he

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Speaker 11: didn't do things that put him in bad situations. He

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Speaker 11: was a loving dad, and ironically, that's the behavior that

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Speaker 11: so much that he wasn't about to let them go

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Speaker 11: as opposed to taking matters in your own hands. So

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Speaker 11: it was shocking. Nancy, I still can't believe it that

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Speaker 1: just very curious, Joel. You have been investigating this ever

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Speaker 3: Now we heard.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so that's really at the crux of all this.

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Speaker 6: The marriage, like many marriages, began to go south, and

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Speaker 1: And will the court by her excuse? Why is law

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Speaker 12: After the court prevents Wendy Aedelson from moving to South

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Speaker 1: Back out to longtime friend, Professor Markel's Dave Ehrenberg. Dave, Now,

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Speaker 7: I did not, But there is still a big step

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Speaker 7: So it's just who he is.

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Speaker 11: And his mother went along and now she's paying the price.

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Speaker 1: To Tim Jansen is joining me, veteran criminal defense attorney,

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Speaker 3: Tim, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: A million dollar bribe to make Dan Markel give up custody.

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Speaker 3: That's evil.

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Speaker 13: She couldn't get the grandkids to come down there, so

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Speaker 1: Get it well yet Jim Jansen, the daughter Markel's wife

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Speaker 1: now ex wife, has not been charged, but she was

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Speaker 11: Trust me.

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Speaker 13: If Georgia and Jack Campbell, the state attorney, thought they

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Speaker 1: Wait wait wait, wait, wait wait, Robert Crispin joining me.

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Speaker 1: They're on the scene, private investigator, former fed Crispin.

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Speaker 3: So let me understand this. The mother in.

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Speaker 3: What I've never heard anything like that.

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Speaker 1: Why would you go out of your way to say? Now,

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Speaker 9: Of course, I mean you have to start covering the

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Speaker 9: She said, nobody else is involved, so let's not follow anybody. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 9: I don't think so. I'm glad she said that because

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Speaker 9: Let's look into this. So those statements that she've made

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm thinking through everything.

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Speaker 1: And I mentioned that the mother in law thinks she

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Speaker 1: she says the diet behind bars is just all carves,

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Speaker 4: So you're saying his head.

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Speaker 5: Is bloody, Now, yes, I'm bloody. I mean it's the

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Speaker 5: He's still moving around, so he's alive.

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Speaker 4: The officer's going to be there first. They're not going

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Speaker 5: Okay, you'd better be if this guy's got a shot living.

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Speaker 2: A shocking recorded jail call between a Florid and grandmother

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Speaker 14: I would say there's certainly good information indications that you

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Speaker 1: For him and straight out to Joel Walman joining me

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Speaker 1: Where are the two little boys now? Who has them?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to get to the mother in law

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Speaker 15: I've gained more than a third of my body weight.

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Speaker 15: Here the diatos, little carbs, snow protein, and you know

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Speaker 15: when you get you get spaghetti with mashed potatoes, cornbread,

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Speaker 3: O Crispin, help me.

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Speaker 1: Of all the people on our panel, and they're all

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Speaker 1: Nobody's fixing me spaghetti tonight. If I want dinner, I'm

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Speaker 9: What well, so I'll put in nicely where she lives

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Speaker 9: way is out the carbs, the spaghetti, the mashed potatoes. Hey,

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Speaker 9: that's jail. Sorry, suck it up. You're gaining weight. Guess

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Speaker 9: what weight keeps you warm? Jails are ice cold.

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Speaker 1: It's not just complaining about her gaining weight so much more,

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Speaker 1: but the irony.

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Speaker 3: Joel Walalman, the irony.

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Speaker 1: Her son in law, Dan, well known in the legal community,

442
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Speaker 1: brilliant right, brilliant legal scholar, was murdered, was still moving

443
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Speaker 1: around trying to communicate in the front seat of his

444
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Speaker 1: car in his own garage. A hit man has been

445
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Speaker 1: hired and has turned over and is testifying a hit man.

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Speaker 1: All of this, and she's whining about the spaghetti. The

447
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Speaker 1: boys will never know their father, my father, the closest

448
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Speaker 1: person in the world to me, my father. They'll never

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Speaker 1: know their father, Joel, and she's whining about the marin era.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, this was really tough to watch. This was a

451
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Speaker 6: hearing that went on for about four hours, and there's

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Speaker 6: a laundry list. You mentioned that earwax. She was complaining

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Speaker 6: that her ear nows are smaller than a typical human,

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Speaker 6: so she needs them washed out. But to your point,

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Speaker 6: I mean, Dan is no longer with us. Some of

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Speaker 6: her other complaints include that the mattress is too thin,

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Speaker 6: and like you just heard that she put on a

458
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Speaker 6: third of her body weight behind bars, and that poor

459
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Speaker 6: old Donna has to go to the commissary now to

460
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Speaker 6: buy cans of tuna so she gets enough protein. I mean,

461
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Speaker 6: talk about a person that is not aware of, you know,

462
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Speaker 6: the story surrounding her. I mean she just has either

463
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Speaker 6: her head in the sand or is just so self

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Speaker 6: centered that it's of epic proportions. I think most people

465
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Speaker 6: who watch this were just incredulous at some of these

466
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Speaker 6: comments that she was making. But the bottom line is

467
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Speaker 6: she doesn't like jail. She wants to get out. Maybe

468
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Speaker 6: she should have thought about this before she allegedly set

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Speaker 6: up this murder for higher.

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Speaker 1: Plot crime stories. With Nancy Grace, doctor Judi, how are

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Speaker 1: you joining me? Clinical forensic neuropsychologists and author, what does

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Speaker 1: narcissism mean?

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Speaker 8: Well, I think we're possibly seeing some displays of that

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Speaker 8: right here Nancy. I don't think she has too much

475
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Speaker 8: self awareness and narcissism traits would include thinking that your

476
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Speaker 8: problems are more important than other peoples, having very low

477
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Speaker 8: insight into how your behaviors affect others, seeing people as

478
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Speaker 8: essentially ponds to further your own agenda, and most of all, narcissism.

479
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Speaker 8: When attacked directly or indirectly, that person.

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Speaker 3: Will lash out.

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Speaker 8: If you try to call them out on any of

482
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Speaker 8: their behaviors that are unseemly, they will react in extremely

483
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Speaker 8: negative way, and it might become a vendetta for them

484
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Speaker 8: to start to shoot you down and to make you

485
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Speaker 8: feel horrible about yourself.

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Speaker 3: Doctor Judy.

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Speaker 1: Narcissism is named after the mythical creature person personality Narcissus,

488
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Speaker 1: who was so in love with himself he spent days

489
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Speaker 1: and days staring at his own reflection in a pool

490
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Speaker 1: of water until he fell in and died.

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Speaker 3: That's who Narcissus is.

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Speaker 1: It's all about her, and that bears out here, Crispin,

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Speaker 1: you were saying earlier, Robert Crispin Pi in this jurisdiction

494
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Speaker 1: former fed joining us there on the scene at a

495
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Speaker 1: beautiful view of those high rises behind you. It's amazing

496
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Speaker 1: to me that she, instead of trying to work out

497
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Speaker 1: a solution, or have her daughter, for peaces, work out

498
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Speaker 1: a solution. I believe the daughter's a lawyer, work out

499
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Speaker 1: a solution to custody. It was a better idea to

500
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Speaker 1: just murder the dad. And you know these children will

501
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Speaker 1: never have a recollection of the father, but wait for it, Crispin.

502
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Speaker 1: Not only is she whining about the spaghetti.

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Speaker 15: Listen, So I have I have a hearing issue. Okay,

504
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Speaker 15: I have a problem. I evidently have very narrow ear canals,

505
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Speaker 15: and so doing get the wax builds up in my

506
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Speaker 15: ears to the point that I mean, I have officers

507
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Speaker 15: that say to me, are you deaf atels? And when

508
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Speaker 15: I don't respond to them, it's because I don't.

509
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Speaker 1: Hear them very narrow ear canals.

510
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Speaker 3: Crispin, she wills bond. Not just a murder, not just

511
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Speaker 3: I get mad in the bar and pull a gun

512
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Speaker 3: boom boom over.

513
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Speaker 1: A very well thought out murder for hire, which is

514
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Speaker 1: an aggravating circumstance under which death penalty can be sought.

515
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Speaker 1: Murder for hire. It's not just premeditated, it's murder for higher.

516
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Speaker 1: And she is whining about her ear wax.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, she's definitely brasping at straws, isn't she. But that's

518
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Speaker 9: not going to happen in this particular case, not with

519
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Speaker 9: these alleged set of circumstances. And Nancy right over my

520
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 9: shoulder were her two million dollar condo. Is if I

521
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Speaker 9: go on the roof and I look, I could probably

522
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Speaker 9: throw a rock and hit the runways of the Miami

523
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Speaker 9: International Airport. So by the time she'd got here, if

524
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Speaker 9: she did got that ankle bracelet off, that's already wheels

525
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Speaker 9: up and she's gone. And we all know, sadly enough,

526
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Speaker 9: how easy it is to get fake passports, fake ID

527
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Speaker 9: and fleet. She's not getting out, and she's making herself

528
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Speaker 9: look worse by not addressing what really happened.

529
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Speaker 12: The Florida State University criminal law professor was pulling into

530
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Speaker 12: his driveway and talking on his cell phone when he

531
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Speaker 12: was fatally shot. News reports say the killer was waiting

532
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Speaker 12: for Markel outside his home in Tallahassee's Ben Hills section,

533
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Speaker 12: then followed Markel into the garage. When he opened it,

534
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Speaker 12: Markelle was shot in this side of the head through

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Speaker 12: the window of his car. The bullet entered just beneath

536
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Speaker 12: Markel's jawline. Police also released a photo of a cart

537
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Speaker 12: they are calling a vehicle of interest. It's a silver

538
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Speaker 12: Prius like car seen in the area.

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Speaker 1: It's Sean Combs. Did he and the real estate bros?

540
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Speaker 1: Charged with sex trafficking all over again? Millionaires who are

541
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Speaker 1: so arrogant they think they should be out on bond.

542
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Speaker 1: Forget about the crimes in this case an alleged murder

543
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Speaker 1: for hire. That's right, the millionaire monster in law accused

544
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Speaker 1: of masterminding the murder of her son in law.

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Speaker 3: When custody became an issue, claims.

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Speaker 1: Earwax, bad spaghetti, and lack of exercise are reasons enough

547
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Speaker 1: for her to get bond. Wait a minute, didn't she

548
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Speaker 1: try to flee to Vietnam?

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Speaker 3: Listen?

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Speaker 15: So my listens actually has said, you know, we've been

551
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Speaker 15: city Inna before with friends with on on vacation and

552
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Speaker 15: it really was like a place of peace. And so

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Speaker 15: he said, if we go an noun extradition country, then

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Speaker 15: if the law enforcement decided that they wanted to arrest

555
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Speaker 15: you or me, whatever both he said, then he said,

556
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Speaker 15: we won't be sitting in a foreign prison waiting months

557
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Speaker 15: to go back. We could buy a ticket and we

558
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Speaker 15: can go home. And my understanding was that I could

559
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Speaker 15: go home and I could turn myself in if that's

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Speaker 15: what they wanted.

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Speaker 3: What is she talking about, Joel Waldmin.

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Speaker 6: It's a great question, and I have no idea. I

563
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Speaker 6: wish I could answer that one for you, But again

564
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Speaker 6: she buys us. And by the way, for the life

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Speaker 6: of me, I mean, these are people with a lot

566
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Speaker 6: of financial means. They're taking off one week to the

567
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Speaker 6: day after their son is convicted on these first degree

568
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Speaker 6: murder and conspiracy charges, and they buy a one way ticket.

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Speaker 6: I mean, the jurors are going to hear this and

570
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Speaker 6: it is just consciousness of guilt, ringing and a dinging.

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Speaker 6: I mean, she should have at least bought a two

572
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Speaker 6: way ticket, but there is absolutely no way a jury

573
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Speaker 6: is going to buy that she went to a non

574
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Speaker 6: extradition country just for the fact that would make it

575
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Speaker 6: easier for herself to turn herself into officials back here Stateside.

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Speaker 1: If she's yes technical legal term, you know, let's get

577
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Speaker 1: real doctor Errett Eson with me, board certified forensic pathologists,

578
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Speaker 1: Doctor Ason. We know that Dan, the father of these

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Speaker 1: two little boys, dearly loved his children. He would not

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Speaker 1: even for a million dollars give them up custody or

581
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Speaker 1: let them move. He was very much fifty to fifty

582
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Speaker 1: a part of their lives. Okay, we know he was

583
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Speaker 1: alive when the neighbors came over. He was moving around

584
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Speaker 1: trying to communicate. What would he be what would he

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Speaker 1: have known off, what would he be aware at the

586
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Speaker 1: time of his death?

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Speaker 10: I mean he would have likely been aware that he

588
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Speaker 10: sustained some type of trauma. Apparently it was two men

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Speaker 10: who came up and fired two shots into his car,

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Speaker 10: and then he would have sustained the injuries. And you know,

591
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Speaker 10: he lived for a couple of hours. But from what

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Speaker 10: I was seeing in the articles, I just don't think

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Speaker 10: that he was very conscious at the time. I think

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Speaker 10: he was just like barely alive, just kind of barely

595
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Speaker 10: hanging on. So he may not have been.

596
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Speaker 1: Hanging on and trying to say something to the neighbor

597
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Speaker 1: moving around. And after all that, the mother in law

598
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Speaker 1: goes to court and starts crying about her own release.

599
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 1: Over the pasta and the earwax, I mean that is

600
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Speaker 1: a nerve. And the trip to Vietnam to seek peace.

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Speaker 16: Listen, when you were looking at places to go those

602
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Speaker 16: couple of days after Charlie Edelson's trial, you were specifically looking, though,

603
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Speaker 16: for countries that did not have extradition.

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Speaker 15: With the US for the reason I just told you.

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Speaker 16: Right, and the reason that you're saying that you were

606
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Speaker 16: looking for countries with no extradition was so that you

607
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Speaker 16: could get back faster in order to be arrested in

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Speaker 16: the US.

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Speaker 3: Wait a minute, granny ah Ah, Listen.

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Speaker 15: It's because I don't know, maybe we watched too much

611
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Speaker 15: TV or too many movies, But I've seen movies where

612
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Speaker 15: people are stuck in like third world prisons and waiting

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Speaker 15: and waiting and waiting, and my feeling was, this is

614
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Speaker 15: not what we want to happen. If the state says

615
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Speaker 15: they want us to come back, buy a ticket, we'll

616
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Speaker 15: come back on our own terms. We don't have to

617
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,280
Speaker 15: be sitting in a jail somewhere. We'll come back home

618
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Speaker 15: and turn ourselves.

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Speaker 3: In to Robert Risbin. Have you ever heard anything like it?

620
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Speaker 1: And when you're watching somebody lie, she's like blinking her

621
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Speaker 1: eyes and looking around and pausing, trying to explain why

622
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Speaker 1: she had a one way ticket to Vietnam.

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Speaker 9: She's trying to make it believable to the prosecutor. That's

624
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Speaker 9: just not happening. It's just not happening.

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Speaker 2: A tearful Donna Adelson begs a judge for bond, alleging

626
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Speaker 2: inmate assaults and extortion.

627
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Speaker 3: During her time so far behind bars.

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Speaker 17: If we were asking for something lenient, I could see

629
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Speaker 17: the state's opposition.

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Speaker 16: But we're not.

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Speaker 17: We're asking for you to hold her outside of the

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Speaker 17: jail in the most stringent conditions she could possibly be monitored,

633
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Speaker 17: just to allow her to be with her attorneys, get

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Speaker 17: her doctor's appointments, and get ready for the trial that

635
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Speaker 17: her entire life.

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Speaker 1: Depends upon in her high rise luxury condo worth two

637
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Speaker 1: million dollars.

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Speaker 3: This is Diddy all over again.

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Speaker 1: Remember he wants out of MDC Metropolitan Detention Center on

640
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Speaker 1: a slew of federal sex trafficking charges and wanted to

641
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: be bumped up in his old digs luxury digs with

642
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Speaker 1: an ankle monitor, promising I won't contact any women. Okay,

643
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: that was denied. So let me understand this. The defense

644
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: attorney is asking for basically house arrest.

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Speaker 3: We're waiting to.

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Speaker 1: See where that ultimately lands as a Scots trial. But

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Speaker 1: to jobel Waldman joining us surviving the survivor, what is

648
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Speaker 1: the strongest evidence against the mother in law.

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Speaker 6: I mean, there's a bunch you know, she's caught on

650
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Speaker 6: the so called bump tape. That is a FBI undercover

651
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Speaker 6: who meets her in front of that building, and basically

652
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 6: after that call, the bump is executed perfectly. She contacts

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Speaker 6: Charlie and this is what Tim Jentsman was talking about

654
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Speaker 6: earlier and she refers to them being onto the two

655
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Speaker 6: of us, so that implies that she is part of this.

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Speaker 6: Now back to Vietnam for a moment. There are What's

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Speaker 6: App messages and by the way, when she was arrested

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Speaker 6: at the airport with her husband, they also see some

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Speaker 6: cell phones and iPad, so we don't know exactly what's

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Speaker 6: on there, but some What's App messages have been revealed

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Speaker 6: to a company called Sun China Indo Travel, and she

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Speaker 6: was essentially asking this travel agency. She was saying, Hey,

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Speaker 6: I need to get to Vietnam as fast as possible.

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Speaker 6: This is right after the conviction of her son. She

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Speaker 6: says in a series of messages that get more and

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Speaker 6: more frantic. I need a visa. I need an expedited visa.

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Speaker 6: How do I get an expedited visa? Get me this visa?

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Speaker 6: These things are not going to look well for her

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Speaker 6: joining me.

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Speaker 1: Dave Matt Crimeonline dot Com investigative reporter. What is the

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Speaker 1: strongest evidence against the mother in law?

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Speaker 18: Actually, it's a phone call that was made when Charlie

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Speaker 18: Aedelson was convicted of the crime of murder. He was

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Speaker 18: on the phone talking to his mother and that's where

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Speaker 18: she is going off the deepen, suggesting a couple of

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Speaker 18: different things she needs to do. One of those suicide,

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Speaker 18: the other leave the country and get the place where

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Speaker 18: she cannot be extradited. That's the big piece of evidence,

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Speaker 18: Thank god, Nancy.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So wait a minute, doctor Judy Hoe for instant

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Speaker 1: Neu're a psychologist. When your grandchildren are down a dad,

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Speaker 1: the dad's murdered, why would you commit suicide instead of

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Speaker 1: rushing to their aid and helping them exactly?

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Speaker 3: That doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 8: And this is just another example of just coming up

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Speaker 8: with ideas that clearly don't have any factual basis, no

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Speaker 8: experiential basis. Is not what a normal person would be

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Speaker 8: expected to do in a crisis like this, and it's

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Speaker 8: just all.

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Speaker 3: Part of the ploy to say, hey, look, we're we

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Speaker 3: have nothing to do with this. This has nothing to

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Speaker 3: do with us. Okay.

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Speaker 1: To Joel Walman, co host Surviving a Survivor, what is

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Speaker 1: the strongest evidence against the mother in law?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean collectively, I would say what your previous

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Speaker 6: guests just said. These jailhouse calls after Charlie's conviction, which

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Speaker 6: was November sixth of twenty twenty three, Arlie and Donna

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Speaker 6: speak for something like four or five hours a day

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Speaker 6: for the next seven days until she is ultimately ultimately arrested,

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Speaker 6: and they're talking about what happened. A lot of that

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Speaker 6: is incriminating. They're talking about their kind of their disgust

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Speaker 6: at Wendy for not kind of giving and showing more

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Speaker 6: support during the trial. But then, as I mentioned previously,

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Speaker 6: there is something very well known within this case called

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Speaker 6: the bump where an FBI undercover basically approaches Donna Adelson

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Speaker 6: pretending to be these hitmen that she hired or at

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Speaker 6: least friends of these hitmen, and she just takes it,

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Speaker 6: you know, hooked line and sinker, and then is immediately

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Speaker 6: on the phone with Charlie basically saying at that point,

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Speaker 6: you know, they're on to the two of us essentially.

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Speaker 6: And then after her arrest, they have whatsapped messages and

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Speaker 6: Donna is what's happening a place called Indo Sun China Travel,

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Speaker 6: Indo Sun China Travel, and she is asking for preparations

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Speaker 6: to go to Vietnam. She wants a visa. Then she

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Speaker 6: messages again and says she wants an expedited visa and

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Speaker 6: how does she even expedite it beyond that, so the

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Speaker 6: urgency and this is all happening in the week after

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Speaker 6: Charlie's convicted until she is ultimately arrested. And then of

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Speaker 6: course it's that one way ticket to Vietnam. You weren't

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Speaker 6: planning to come back. But now she's making the case

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Speaker 6: that she picked that non extradition country so she could

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Speaker 6: turn herself in. I'd like to see a jury of

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Speaker 6: her peers by that we.

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Speaker 1: Wait as justice unfolds. And now we remember an American

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Speaker 1: hero Trooper Tomorrow Buccie, Massachusetts State Police, passed away in

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Speaker 1: the line of duty, survived by mother Meryl, stepfather Jim,

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Speaker 1: father Anthony. American hero Trooper Tomorrow Buccie. Nancy Grace signing

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Speaker 1: off goodbye friend,