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Speaker 3: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 2: Wednesday edition of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

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Speaker 2: kicks off right now. Funny Clay Vas talking to carry

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Speaker 2: my wife. I think the audience all know that now,

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Speaker 2: and we joked around about how it would feel like

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Speaker 2: a very different show if it were our first names

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Speaker 2: instead of our middle names. The Richard Travis and James

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Speaker 2: Sexton Hour. It sounds like a couple of guys on

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Speaker 2: NPR talking about their favorite internet music or something. You

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Speaker 2: know what I mean? You know, Oh, I love this Sweden.

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Speaker 1: Those guys would know how to test to tell the

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Speaker 1: difference between bottles of wine.

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Speaker 2: Oh, they definitely would. They would not be making statements philistine,

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Speaker 2: barbarous statements about how you can't tell the difference between

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Speaker 2: fancy and non fancy wine. But anyway, so yes, we

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Speaker 2: are not doing the Richard Travis and James Sexton Hour,

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Speaker 2: will be April Fools, all right. So yes, yes, the

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Speaker 2: big news from last night, Nicky Haley loses, but not

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Speaker 2: that badly, right, I mean, the the management of expectations

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Speaker 2: here is intric But let's break this down, give you

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Speaker 2: because we want to take a forward look. Now here's

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Speaker 2: where we are. Donald Trump is barring you know, force

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Speaker 2: masure catastrophe, something that is unforeseeable at this moment. Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump is going to be the nominee for the Republican Party.

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Speaker 2: That leaves open a very small window for something else.

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Speaker 2: But it is a very very small window. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I think it's it's likelier that China will invade Taiwan

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Speaker 2: in the next year than it is that Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: will not be the nominee for the Republican Party. That's

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Speaker 2: how far I would go. So here's what we know.

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Speaker 2: Nicky Haley Clay. She loses to Donald Trump eleven points

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Speaker 2: in the New Hampshire primary. So Donald Trump Nicky Haley

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Speaker 2: more noise than a lot of folks thought he would,

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Speaker 2: have expected. But here we go. This is first up

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Speaker 2: Nicki Haley last night. Let's give her her say. This

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Speaker 4: I want to congratulate Donald Trump on his victory tonight.

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Speaker 4: He earned, and I want to acknowledge that now you've

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Speaker 4: all heard the chatter among the political class. They're falling

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Speaker 4: all over themselves saying this race is over. Well, I

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Speaker 4: have news for all of them. New Hampshire is first

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Speaker 4: in the nation. It is not the last in the nation.

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Speaker 4: This race is far from over. There are dozens of

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Speaker 2: All Right, we want to jump in now because Trump

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Speaker 2: Trump trash what she said. We'll get to that. Let's

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Speaker 2: start with what she says. Your reaction, it's over. And

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Speaker 1: Nikki Haley deserves credit for coming in second place. There

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Speaker 1: is no pathway to her becoming the nominee. And let

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Speaker 1: me just say this. If you disagree eight hundred and

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Speaker 1: or tell Buck, because I think you agree with me.

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Speaker 1: As you just said at the open Trump is going

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Speaker 1: About a highly implausible but very impactful scenario. We could

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Speaker 1: There are all sorts of low probability, high impact events

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Speaker 1: word it is, I don't understand her pathway here and Buck.

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Speaker 1: This is the same argument we made on Wednesday as

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Speaker 1: She put all of her eggs in the New Hampshire basket.

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Speaker 1: To her credit, she came within eleven, but that was

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Speaker 2: this not just to first step South Carolina her home state,

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Speaker 2: Nicki Haley's perspective, there's not like a governorship she has

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Speaker 2: I'm out. I'm gonna go back to being the governor

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Speaker 2: got things to do. Nicki Haley. I mean, she was

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Speaker 1: Look, I agree with everything you just said. I also

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Speaker 1: think Nicki Haley deserves credit. And this is what we

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Speaker 2: And I know this makes people upset.

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Speaker 1: I actually think Nicki Haley would not be a bad,

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Speaker 2: Now, Travis on Twitter, that was Clay who was saying

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Speaker 1: I don't think she brings anything new. I like Tim Scott.

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Speaker 1: But I don't think he really changes the dynamic very much.

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Speaker 2: Trump is probably on path right now to overperform for

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure that Ed moves the needle anymore.

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Speaker 1: And and by the way, I don't know that Tim

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Speaker 2: I think, well there, yeah, yeah, this is this is it.

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Speaker 2: But see, now we're talking to VP. We got a

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Speaker 2: I we played Haley soundby She's like a big congratulation

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Speaker 2: But let's not have somebody take a victory when she

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Speaker 2: And you you have the very the now very unpopular

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Speaker 2: what we want to do. Well, that's a big difference.

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Speaker 2: So I'll say this right now, Nicky Haley is being

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Speaker 2: this election, so to speak, right, I mean, she is,

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Speaker 2: She could turn that around very quickly. I think through

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Speaker 2: a negotiation and a discussion about Nicky Haley. Look, you

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Speaker 2: want a prediction, I think Clay I don't disagree with

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Speaker 2: his assessment that she may be helpful in some ways

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Speaker 2: she might be helpful with those numbers. There are some

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Speaker 2: troubling GOP numbers though from New Hampshire. Not troubling like,

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Speaker 2: a wrinkle in things for Trump. We can we'll dive

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Speaker 2: Nikkiy Haley Clay, and this is somebody who I think

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Speaker 2: would help with suburban voters. However, Nikki Haley as Secretary

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Speaker 2: of State, she'd be perfectly happy doing that job. Maybe

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Speaker 2: Rick Marnell is happy being CIA director. And that's you

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Speaker 2: start to see how now is the time Because if

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Speaker 2: I'm Nicky Haley, I sit down with Donald Trump and say, look,

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Speaker 2: you know, let's do this, and I'll save you tens

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Speaker 2: of millions of spend which he may not have to spend.

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Speaker 2: To be clear, maybe he says I don't need you.

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Speaker 2: I don't need that. But that would be the smartest

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Speaker 2: play from my perspective for her, because going and getting

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Speaker 2: blown out in South Carolina. I don't think she'll be

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Speaker 2: VP Clay, but I do think there's a cabinet position

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Secretary of state would be good. And let me

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Speaker 2: Right. He admits that he has said that, just so

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Speaker 2: Third hour Clay and Bucks starts right now, everybody, and

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Speaker 2: You just heard.

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Speaker 2: You gotta stop. We're just the people that are writing

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Speaker 1: who can get angry at me for saying it.

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Speaker 2: Everybody, I love them. I love the picture.

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Speaker 1: You see the the Alonso morning Jift for gift whatever

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Speaker 1: you're supposed to pronounce it as where he sits on

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Speaker 1: the bench in the Miami Heat uniform and he's shaking

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Speaker 1: his head no, and then after a little while he

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Speaker 1: starts shaking his head yes. It's a It's a really

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Speaker 1: popular meme that people will share because it's like, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's just so interesting to think about what he was thinking.

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Speaker 1: And then you hear an argument this is the reverse

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Speaker 1: of that. A lot of the Trump people are not

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Speaker 1: in their head. He's right, he's a truth teller. She's

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Speaker 1: got to drop out. There's no basis whatsoever for her

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Speaker 1: to stay in. And then when I pivot to but

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Speaker 1: she would make sense as a VP, they.

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Speaker 2: Immediately get angry.

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Speaker 1: So they're all all the time, there are one hundred

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Speaker 1: percent agreement, and then they're like he's crazy.

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Speaker 2: They just go right off the reservation there. If she

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Speaker 2: drops out before South Carolina, this is what I see happening.

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Speaker 2: If she drops before South Carolina, Nicki Haley and Trump wins,

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Speaker 2: Nicky Haley ends up being Secretary of State, That's what

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Speaker 2: I think happens. That's not a bad theory.

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Speaker 1: Do you agree with me that Trump should start to

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Speaker 1: put his together or his cabinet right now, yes, and

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Speaker 1: start rolling it out forever he see. You know, I

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Speaker 1: will say this, I think even if Haley were to

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Speaker 1: stay in, I don't think Trump needs to spend He's

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Speaker 1: even have to show up for debates. He's not going

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Speaker 1: to debate her. He doesn't really have to spend money.

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Speaker 1: He's going to blow out the competition. Jesus only competition

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Speaker 1: left and all these other states that are left. So

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Speaker 1: I think he just and I see this happening already.

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Speaker 1: But you know, the battleships have to all just focus

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Speaker 1: their fire on the enemy here like there, this is

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Speaker 1: not Niggi Haley is not going to be president.

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Speaker 2: It's not going to happen. And so they might as

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Speaker 2: well take the addite look Trump is in terms of

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Speaker 2: the strategy here of the primary, there have been a

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Speaker 2: few things that have worked remarkably well. One of them

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Speaker 2: was not shown up for debates. Yes, if you had

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Speaker 2: told somebody, I know now, it's it's a perception. It's like, well,

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Speaker 2: of course Trump did that. But if you had said

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Speaker 2: ten years ago that any Republican would be the leading

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Speaker 2: contender or sorry, would be basically become the nominee by

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Speaker 2: refusing to show up in debate. At one point there

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Speaker 2: were what five or six people that were on that

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Speaker 2: debate that you know, we're going to be on that

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Speaker 2: debate stage, or we're on that debate stage. You with

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Speaker 2: that would have been crazy. Oh, people would say you're

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Speaker 2: scared to face the voters. Out of Trump, people didn't

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Speaker 2: feel like the primary was necessary.

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Speaker 1: I I let me build also on I like your idea,

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Speaker 1: Nicky Haley, secretary of State, Maybe that makes more sense.

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Speaker 1: I think you roll out all the different cabinet members

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Speaker 1: and Trump can go a long way towards aligning the

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Speaker 1: rest of the Republican Party. Because I don't know who

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Speaker 1: the choice would be, but basically put, any secretary of

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Speaker 1: State who looks sorry Secretary of Treasure, Treasury Secretary of

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Speaker 1: Transportation against Mayor Pete.

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Speaker 2: When you start lining.

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Speaker 1: Up the two respective options, Okay, you've got the gay

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Speaker 1: mayor of South Bend, Indiana, who's the only transportation secretary

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Speaker 1: any of us can name pretty much in the last

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Speaker 1: twenty years, because he's done such a crappy job compared

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Speaker 1: to whatever candidate that Trump would put out there and

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Speaker 1: go ahead and get everybody to agree. Merritt Garland is

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Speaker 1: the attorney general who would Trump pick as his attorney general.

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Speaker 2: I would love to know if.

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Speaker 1: Ted Cruz was not running for reelection as a Senator

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Speaker 1: from Texas, because I think he'd probably prefer to keep

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Speaker 1: that job. I think Ted Cruz would make an incredible

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Speaker 1: attorney general. I think Senator Mike Lee from Utah would

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Speaker 1: make an incredible attorney general.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, I like this too because it

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Speaker 2: does two things. Well, it does a few things, but

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Speaker 2: two that come to mind immediately for Trump. One pivot

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Speaker 2: to the general. You're in a general election, now we

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Speaker 2: all know it. People can say, oh, but we need

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Speaker 2: to let the people vote. Yeah, they can vote, that's fine.

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Speaker 2: But the strategy for I'm talking about from a Trump

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Speaker 2: campaign perspective, He's in a general against Joe Biden. That's

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Speaker 2: where we are now. Maybe the Biden thing shifts, whatever,

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Speaker 2: but he's in a general against the Democrat Party. With

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Speaker 2: that in mind, putting forward the cabinet and discussing these things,

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's premature at all, because one it

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Speaker 2: can create, especially just people being in the mix, they

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Speaker 2: become surrogates for the Trump campaign in a sense that

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Speaker 2: they'll be asked you know, hey, so and so. You know,

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Speaker 2: assuming it's someone that is seriously being considered and that

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Speaker 2: has a good relationship with Trump. You know, you're being

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Speaker 2: talked about as a possible Treasury secretary. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 2: that'd be great because we would fix the mess that

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Speaker 2: Biden's making of the economy. Right. It puts things into

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Speaker 2: the news cycle, It creates discussion points that are positive,

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Speaker 2: that are constructive, and that it so it pivots Trump

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Speaker 2: towards the general. It starts to filter into the news cycle,

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Speaker 2: and it also focuses everyone on policies and fixes early on,

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Speaker 2: because you can talk about some of these high level

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Speaker 2: picks for an administration, whether it's the VP of the

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Speaker 2: Secretary of State, the Treasury, Secretary Defense, and it gets

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Speaker 2: people thinking about how things would be different under a

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Speaker 2: Trump administration. So to me, there's no reason. The reason

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Speaker 2: you wouldn't normally do that would be it looks presumptuous.

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Speaker 2: It's not presumptuous. Were there We should have that discussion.

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Speaker 1: And it also sends the message I'm ready to go

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Speaker 1: day one because a huge part of the transition and

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Speaker 1: the time that you spend. If everybody already knew who

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Speaker 1: the pick was, then the Attorney General can already start

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Speaker 1: making telephone calls the potential Attorney general nominee to figure out, Hey,

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Speaker 1: who's going to work underneath him or her? Right whoever

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Speaker 1: these people are that are getting slotted in Secretary of State,

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Speaker 1: vice President, they can put together their staffs, and you

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Speaker 1: legitimately would have the most capable on the ground transition

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Speaker 1: team ready to go five minutes after Trump steps down

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Speaker 1: having been sworn in as President of the United States

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Speaker 1: in January of next year.

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Speaker 2: That to me, that is the play.

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Speaker 1: You know, Trump is the ultimate you know, he did

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Speaker 1: the Apprentice and everything else. Even if you wanted to say, hey,

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Speaker 1: here's our schedule, right, I think that would be amazing.

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Speaker 1: We here is the next six months. We are announcing

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Speaker 1: each of our cabinet members. On this day, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: have a press conference. We'll introduce it with him. It

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Speaker 1: would be really impressive television. It would be great theater.

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Speaker 1: To me, it's a no brainer to go ahead and

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Speaker 1: put together the team.

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Speaker 2: And I think that.

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Speaker 1: Would go a long way because people say, oh, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily happy with Trump. The best thing he

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Speaker 1: did in twenty sixteen was put out his potential Supreme

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Speaker 1: Court nominees.

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Speaker 2: Early.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead and tell us who your nominees are to

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Speaker 1: be members of his cabinet. Let's get it rolling now, yep,

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Speaker 1: I agree.

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Speaker 2: Eight hundred two two eight eight two. What do you

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Speaker 2: think about this? And you have some suggestions, not for VP,

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Speaker 2: some suggestions that you think would be important on policy

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Speaker 2: in a Trump administration in some of the other prominent spots.

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure we could get a better transportation secretary,

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Speaker 2: for example. I'm just throwing that out there.

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Speaker 1: And it allows you to compare him Buck, which would

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Speaker 2: I think in a lot of cases, say wait, who

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Speaker 2: does Biden have running that agency? There'll be a lot

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Speaker 1: In Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Joined now by our

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Speaker 1: friend Julie Kelly, who is doing fabulous work on all

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Speaker 1: the jan six related cases and also tracking all of

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Speaker 1: the law fair against President Trump and We're going to

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Speaker 1: get into some of that latest on jan sixth and

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Speaker 1: files and what might be happening.

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Speaker 2: But just off the top here, Julie, we're.

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Speaker 1: Sitting end of January right by next week will be

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Speaker 1: into February.

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Speaker 2: Technically, the case in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 1: Against Trump, the Jack Smith Jan sixth related case, is

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Speaker 1: supposed to start on March fourth. There hasn't been any

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Speaker 1: update that I'm aware of, but we're basically a month

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Speaker 1: from the start of that trial date. It's very fair

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Speaker 1: to say there's no way we're starting on March fourth,

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Speaker 1: even though there hasn't been an official pronouncement of that change.

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Speaker 1: When do you think that trial happen? And are you

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Speaker 1: starting to think that New York City and Alvin Bragg

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Speaker 1: might actually get the first bite at the Trump prosecution apple?

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Speaker 9: Right, So this March forth trial date, there's no conceivable

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Speaker 9: on hold is as the courts are figuring out this

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Speaker 9: know that a president for a president has been criminally

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Speaker 9: charged and the courts need to sort this out. So

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Speaker 9: this is on appeal. Judge Chutkin, who's overseeing the January

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Speaker 9: sixth case in Washington, issued an order last month saying

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Speaker 9: denying Donald Trump's presidential immunity claims. That then went to

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Speaker 9: the appellate Court. There was a hearing by a three

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Speaker 9: judge panel on January ninth. We're waiting to get that decision.

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Speaker 9: We're assuming it's a three Democrat judge panel. We're assuming

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Speaker 9: that they're going to uphold Judge Chuckkins lower court ruling,

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Speaker 9: but that eventually event has to get to the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 9: They are going to have to determine if, for the

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Speaker 9: first time a president a former president can be held

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Speaker 9: criminally liable for his actions in office. So that's why

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Speaker 9: this March fourth trial date is on hold. All of

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Speaker 9: the pretrial calendar up until this point is on hold,

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Speaker 9: and Judge Chutkin last week in separate filing sort of

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Speaker 9: suggested that this March fourth trial date was not going

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Speaker 9: to happen, and that she was going to make sure

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Speaker 9: that all the time now that has been suspended leading

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Speaker 9: up to this March fourth trial date, that that would

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Speaker 9: all be sort of backfilled once the presidential immunity.

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Speaker 5: Issue is resolved. So this could push.

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Speaker 9: The trial into what May June over the summer, and

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Speaker 9: so to your point, does Elvin Bragg go first? And

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Speaker 9: keep in mind we still have the classified documents case

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Speaker 9: in Southern Florida. That trial date is that for May

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Speaker 9: to one. Those pre trial deadlines also on hold, pending

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Speaker 9: the outcome of the DC trial. So if all these

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Speaker 9: things kind of in flux. But look, I'll tell you

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Speaker 9: Marrik Arland made it very clear in an interview last

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Speaker 9: week that he will abide by notions related to pursuing

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Speaker 9: any kind of political prosecution or investigation before an election.

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Speaker 9: He says that this is now in the hands of

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Speaker 9: the judges. It's out of his hands. And so will

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Speaker 5: I believe that she would.

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Speaker 2: So, I mean, Julie, I know there's so many moving

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Speaker 2: and which aren't at this stage? You know what I mean,

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Speaker 2: of the four criminal trials, how would you each one

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Speaker 2: assess that it's likely or not likely to actually happen

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Speaker 9: So my guest would be the Classified Document's trial Judge

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Speaker 9: Alien Cannon. There has been very skeptical of Jacksmith and

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Speaker 9: DOJ's handling of this case. She is the one that

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Speaker 9: suspended a lot of the deadlines. Back in November, she

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Speaker 9: was saying that there was no way the March fourth

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Speaker 9: trial in DC would be finished in time to prepare

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Speaker 9: for the May twentieth trial date. There's going to be

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Speaker 9: hearing in her courtroom on March first, where we are

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Speaker 9: going to get to watch Special Council Jacksmith's team Jay

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Speaker 9: Bratt go to Judge Cannon and explain why that trial

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Speaker 9: She has been very skeptical and now I don't know

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Speaker 9: she won't push a May twentieth trial date. They're not

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Speaker 9: even close to being ready to take that trial. So

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Speaker 9: do they really want Alvin Brad's case to be first

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Speaker 9: out of these four criminal prosecutions.

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Speaker 5: I doubt it. Fanny Willis, we know in Fulton County, is.

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Speaker 9: Already in a lot of trouble scandal enveloping her prosecution

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Speaker 9: So my guess is still that if you had to

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Speaker 9: the most likely case to go to trial before the election.

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Speaker 1: And that would be wild, Julie, because as you just said,

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Speaker 1: As you have mentioned, one half of the four charges

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Speaker 2: Right, So I think starting a.

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Speaker 1: Trial with half of your charges potentially tossed before you

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Speaker 5: It is and to.

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Speaker 9: Your point, just to clarify what you're talking about, because

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Speaker 9: So we already know that four justices agreed to grant

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Speaker 5: Be devastating to Jacksonith's case.

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Speaker 9: And really the heart of the Department of Justice is

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Speaker 5: So then what does.

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Speaker 9: DOJ is using obstruction of an official proceeding? Will he

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Speaker 9: fuzzier than the obstruction count. Will he bring it an

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Speaker 9: Quite the opposite of what he's dealing with in Washington.

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Speaker 5: So we'll see what the Supreme Court does. That'll be

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Speaker 2: Just one more thing. You've had a lot of contact

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Speaker 5: It does? I mean, they are very hopeful.

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Speaker 9: And that's why you see a lot of January sixth

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Speaker 1: Speaking of that truth about January sixth, you put out

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Speaker 9: It's just another example of Benny Thompson and Nancy Pelosi's

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Speaker 9: to all of the evidence. Four terabytes were told of

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Speaker 5: So this was just the latest revelation from.

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Speaker 9: Representative Barry Laudermilk, who is basically investigating the January sixth

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Speaker 9: Select Committee and trying to collect all this evidence, which

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Speaker 5: This also speaking of obstruction of an official proceeding.

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Speaker 9: This also represents hiding potentially exculpatory evidence from January sixth, defendants,

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Speaker 5: This is a crime in and of itself.

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Speaker 5: Thanks guys.

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Speaker 2: We dove deep into the border issue yesterday and talked

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Speaker 2: about the Supreme Court ruling five to four ruling with

871
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Speaker 2: Amy Coney, Barrett, and John Roberts joining that majority of

872
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Speaker 2: leftists to say that the State of Texas cannot put

873
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Speaker 2: razor wire down to help prevent a legal entry because

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Speaker 2: the razor wire is interfering with these federal government's ability

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Speaker 2: to choose to not do its job on immigration. That's

876
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Speaker 2: basically what's going on here, right, So they're pretending that

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Speaker 2: they want to do it. I mean it would be like,

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Speaker 2: you know, imagine if if you were if your house

879
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 2: was on fire and you and the fire department doesn't arrive,

880
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Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, you're grabbing buckets and you're

881
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 2: going to start throwing buckets of water, anything you can do,

882
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 2: and the fire department arrives says, no, that's our job.

883
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Speaker 2: You're not allowed to do that, and then they don't

884
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Speaker 2: turn the hoses on. That's the Biden administration. That is

885
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Speaker 2: what they are doing on immigration. They are pretending that

886
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 2: it's their prerogative, but really it's just their prerogative to

887
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Speaker 2: do nothing and to let this continue. And that's what's

888
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Speaker 2: going on. Our friend Glenn Beck had a Department of

889
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Speaker 2: Public Safety spokesman on his show from Texas Department of

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Speaker 2: Public Safety to say that Texas is not going to

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Speaker 2: stop Clay. I thought this was really interesting. Yeah, and

892
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Speaker 2: is going to lay down more razor wire. And Nancy Mace,

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Speaker 2: member of Congress, and I would say, in the top

894
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Speaker 2: ten for possible Trump vps, by the way, but we

895
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Speaker 2: don't have to get it too that right now, not

896
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Speaker 2: top five, but I think she's in the top ten.

897
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Speaker 2: Conversation she's saying that even Democrats this is cut twenty three,

898
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Speaker 2: are angry about what's going on in cities with the

899
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Speaker 2: legals play it.

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Speaker 8: Depending on the kind of district you're in, whether it's

901
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Speaker 8: purple or red, immigration could be the number one issue.

902
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,320
Speaker 8: The economy and immigration are the top two issues. Abortion

903
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Speaker 8: is always going to be up there in swing states

904
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Speaker 8: and swing districts. But every town is now a border town.

905
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Speaker 8: Even in South Carolina law enforcement have arrested members of

906
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Speaker 8: the MS thirteen gang their offense noel overdoses every single day.

907
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 8: Every state's a border state now because of the influx

908
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Speaker 8: of millions and millions of illegal aliens Joe Biden has

909
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 8: allowed into this country with no end in sight. Under

910
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 8: Donald Trump, this was not happening. People see that. They

911
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,959
Speaker 8: feel that, even Democrats in New York and Chicago, they're

912
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,760
Speaker 8: angry at Joe Biden for what he's done to their cities.

913
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Speaker 2: It's all his fault. It's really Nancy Mace. I think

914
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Speaker 2: she's interesting.

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Speaker 1: I know that some of you out there are going

916
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: to say she vacillates some ways in the direction that

917
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Speaker 1: she goes on particular issues, But I think she's smart.

918
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Speaker 1: I think she understands who the swing voters are going

919
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Speaker 1: to be because of the districts that she has come

920
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Speaker 1: to represent over time there in South Carolina. Remember, she

921
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Speaker 1: didn't endorse Trump in twenty twenty I think what she

922
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Speaker 1: voted for impeachment, I think. And now she's come out

923
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Speaker 1: and endorsed Trump in the twenty twenty four election, which.

924
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Speaker 2: Is quite a pivot.

925
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Speaker 1: But I think it means that she is willing to

926
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Speaker 1: acknowledge changing circumstances, and I think she gets to the

927
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Speaker 1: essence of a lot of these issues. Let me let

928
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Speaker 1: me hit you with a question here, Buck, which I

929
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Speaker 1: haven't heard anybody ask about. So a couple of things

930
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Speaker 1: on this border related wire being put down. We've reached

931
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Speaker 1: out to the governor of Texas and we will get

932
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Speaker 1: him on Greg Abbott, I would bet in the next

933
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Speaker 1: couple of weeks he's I think in India, they said

934
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Speaker 1: right now on a trip trying to magein up more

935
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Speaker 1: business for the state of Texas. Obviously been re elected

936
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Speaker 1: term limited out there. How does he play this politically?

937
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Speaker 1: Because the state versus federal government on immigration could lead

938
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Speaker 1: to the State of Texas being held in contempt in

939
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Speaker 1: some way of the court rulings related to this that's

940
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Speaker 1: point one point two I analyzed yesterday. I put on

941
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Speaker 1: my lawyer hat and I pretended I was trying to

942
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Speaker 1: give you the argument for Amy Cony. Barrett also then

943
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Speaker 1: talked about the four Conservatives who had the other side here.

944
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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, as you look at John Roberts,

945
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Speaker 1: and you know his political nature, how much of this

946
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Speaker 1: ruling buck could be a sign that they're going to

947
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Speaker 1: be coming down in favor of Trump on some of

948
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: these controversial decisions, and they're trying to balance out the

949
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Speaker 1: equities here to avoid the Supreme Court getting accused of

950
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Speaker 1: always being against Biden and pro Trump, and they're they.

951
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Speaker 2: Remember about this. Your take on this, I think is correct,

952
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 2: but it's too positive or too sunshine.

953
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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying I agree. Yeah yeah, let me

954
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Speaker 1: let me just finish this for a second. Then you

955
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Speaker 1: you tee off on it.

956
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 2: I'm not saying I agree with it.

957
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Speaker 1: But I think what all of everybody out there has

958
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Speaker 1: to recognize is we're not seeing the full scorecard.

959
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Speaker 2: Meaning John Roberts.

960
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Speaker 1: And Amy Cony Barrett and all of these justices know

961
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Speaker 1: what the behind the scenes votes are are for all

962
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: of these contentious cases that are coming and they know

963
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: they're going to be dribbling them out all the way

964
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Speaker 1: through June. And so if they're looking at the full

965
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Speaker 1: scorecard and they say, oh, we're going to be on

966
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Speaker 1: the Republican side, the Trump side on four.

967
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Speaker 2: Really big cases, let's say, and then this.

968
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Speaker 1: One's kind of in the middle, and they're like, well,

969
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 1: we want to try to split it, so we'll be

970
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 1: on this side to try to balance it.

971
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Speaker 2: So I'm not saying I agree with it.

972
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 1: I'm just saying they have optics in the Supreme Court

973
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: to know how cases that are not yet decided I

974
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 1: will be coming out.

975
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 2: Okay, Now see I meant to what I meant to.

976
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,399
Speaker 2: That's not a teof thing. I just when you say that, oh, well,

977
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 2: this will establish if it comes up if Trump, when Trump,

978
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 2: or if Trump wins, that he will be truly supreme

979
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 2: on border issues. Yeah, insofar as if there's a similar

980
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,919
Speaker 2: a similar question brought to them. But what they'll do

981
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 2: is every federal judge in the country is going to

982
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 2: find some way to bury Trump in the administrative procedures

983
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 2: at 're in the failure to give notice of the

984
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 2: Bureaucracy's page seven to seven three nine zero.

985
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 1: I mean or your environmental protection over whether or not

986
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,760
Speaker 1: like that, you know, the cross the border.

987
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,760
Speaker 2: So it's not a fair trade in essence, because even

988
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 2: if the Supreme Court goes, oh, well, you know, Texas

989
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 2: can't do this, but at least that means that Trump

990
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 2: he comes along, there'll be a million other little legal

991
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 2: snags that they'll throw in the way to try to

992
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 2: slow him down from being able to execute his authority.

993
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 2: So it's not that I disagree with what you're saying.

994
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,720
Speaker 2: It's just I see that you know, it's like heads

995
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 2: we lose, tails they win, right, I mean, there's no

996
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 2: way around this.

997
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's that I think you're one hundred percent

998
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,439
Speaker 1: right on what will happen if Trump tries to build

999
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 1: a wall and immigration related issues. When I'm saying no

1000
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: on top of that is if they're going to come

1001
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: out we were talking with Julie Kelly earlier, and if

1002
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: they're going to say that half of the charges that

1003
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,879
Speaker 1: Jack Smith is bringing against Trump for these January sixth

1004
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 1: charges are not permitted to be existing, like they're misapplying

1005
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,240
Speaker 1: that statute and it shouldn't be able to be applied

1006
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 1: against jan six defendants. And if they're going to grant

1007
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 1: Trump potentially expansive presidential privileges as it pertains to his

1008
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: powers to challenge this election.

1009
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 2: They know how that vote.

1010
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: Is going to come out already, and they may not

1011
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: be released until June. And so not even in the

1012
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: immigration capacity, although I do think presidential powers is fascinating there,

1013
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 1: they may just be trying to balance it out so

1014
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:34,280
Speaker 1: they give Biden a couple of wins even though Trump's

1015
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 1: going to get a couple of wins, so they don't

1016
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 1: get accused of just being completely in the tank for Trump.

1017
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: That's when I say that they know how the votes

1018
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,320
Speaker 1: are going to come out. I do think Chief Justice

1019
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:49,439
Speaker 1: Roberts will trade his vote. I do, and I think

1020
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: that is the opposite of constitutional legitimacy, right. I think

1021
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 1: when you're sitting there and you're like, well, it's four

1022
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: to four, I want to get your opinion that I

1023
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 1: like on this case. Let me see if i'll take

1024
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 1: this side on this case. I think he did it

1025
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 1: with Obamacare. I think he did it with uh with

1026
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: Roe v.

1027
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 2: Wade.

1028
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 1: I think he did it with so many of these

1029
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 1: cases out there, and so.

1030
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 2: He's wondered that might be going He's an institutionalist, and

1031
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 2: unfortunately the institutions now all tend to lean a little

1032
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 2: left because there's this constant echo chamber effect of oh

1033
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 2: my gosh, they can't do that. That's yeah, you know.

1034
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 2: So I think I think he gets. I think he

1035
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 2: gets bullied on things and starts to believe some of

1036
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 2: the press about how, oh, if the Supreme Court does death,

1037
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,760
Speaker 2: then it's illegitimate. So then he goes, oh, okay, I'm scared,

1038
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 2: you know. I I think you know, I think that

1039
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 2: I think his Obamacare decision was was just appallingly intellectually dishonest.

1040
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 2: I mean, I think that he's done a number of

1041
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:46,919
Speaker 2: decisions where he just got scared of the Washington Post

1042
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 2: headlines and yes, and this gets and this is what

1043
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 2: gets me so fired up. The entire reason you have

1044
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 2: lifetime tenure is to give you balls if you don't

1045
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 2: otherwise have balls, by which I mean you can't get removed.

1046
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 2: And I just don't understand some of these guys and

1047
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 2: gals who get into these positions and you worry what

1048
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 2: somebody at a cocktail party is going to think about you.

1049
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 2: I don't get that.

1050
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,359
Speaker 1: And this is the same position I have with all

1051
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:15,479
Speaker 1: the billionaires out there like Mark Cuban who just turned

1052
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: into gelded eunuchs, and they won't say what they actually

1053
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 1: think about an issue that's very important to the future

1054
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 1: of the country because they're afraid that somebody on a

1055
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,320
Speaker 1: charity organization that they work with is going to have

1056
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 1: a negative opinion of them. I might maybe there's something

1057
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 1: wrong with me, and I'm certainly willing to admit that

1058
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Speaker 1: that might very well be the case. I don't spend

1059
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Speaker 1: any time worrying what anybody thinks about me at all,

1060
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Speaker 1: other than the people that I live with.

1061
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Speaker 2: And also work with.

1062
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Speaker 1: That people are like, he's the worst human being to

1063
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 1: ever worry if you are, like, man, it's really awful

1064
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 1: to sit down and do the show. I'm like, feel

1065
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 1: bad about that, right because you know me and we

1066
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 1: work together. But the idea that I would walk into

1067
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Speaker 1: like a cocktail party and care what a bunch of

1068
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: people I don't know in Washington, DC think about my

1069
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: opinion on Roe v. Wade is like, it's so boring

1070
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 1: to me. I think it's pathetic. If that's true. If

1071
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 1: John Roberts is sitting around like worried about this, it

1072
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: defeats the entire purpose of having lifetime tenure. But I

1073
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 1: do think there's probably something to it, and I wonder

1074
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 1: how much of that is just balancing the way that

1075
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: directions are coming. We'll talk about that and more. We'll

1076
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 1: take some of your calls when we come back. Appreciate

1077
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 1: all of you hanging out with us. And I want

1078
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 1: to tell you, maybe what John Roberts needs is some

1079
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 1: more testosterone.

1080
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:31,840
Speaker 2: Maybe he just needs a.

1081
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 1: Little bit of them, vigor and vitality, big swelling biceps

1082
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 1: to not even care anymore. Maybe he could be as

1083
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: strong as Reacher. I went to go see a great

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