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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, I'm Katie Couric and this is next Question.

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Speaker 1: We're doing something a little bit different this week, something

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Speaker 1: that I'm going to try throughout this season of the podcast,

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Speaker 1: and that is to do a Katie plus one episode.

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Speaker 1: I am so lucky. I know so many great people.

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Speaker 1: They're interesting, they're fun to talk to, they're special to me,

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Speaker 1: and I thought, wouldn't it be fun to invite people

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Speaker 1: to join me and be my little partner in crime

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Speaker 1: on this podcast. So we're doing it today with my

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Speaker 1: friend Kelly Rizzo and Hi Kelly.

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Speaker 2: Hi Katie.

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Speaker 3: I'm so honored to be a or plus one and

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Speaker 3: be your partner in crime. And for the first time

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Speaker 3: me being your partner in crime doesn't involve cocktails or cooking.

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Speaker 4: That's true. That's true, just talk.

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Speaker 1: And I thought maybe we could tell everyone listening Kelly,

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Speaker 1: how we know each other and we actually haven't been

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Speaker 1: friends for all that long. I mean, you're a new friend,

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Speaker 1: which I think is so important and that's something I

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Speaker 1: love to do. You know that Girl Scout song make

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Speaker 1: New Friends? The kiel one is silver and the uh

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Speaker 1: now it's around actually, but we're not going to subject

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Speaker 1: our listeners to that.

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Speaker 3: It has been a little over a year and a

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Speaker 3: half that we've been friends. We met right after my

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Speaker 3: husband Bob passed away, because you had reached out through

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Speaker 3: a mutual friend, because you had gone through that same

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Speaker 3: loss about twenty something years earlier.

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Speaker 4: Twenty four years early, yes, exactly.

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Speaker 3: You were about the same age that I was when

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Speaker 3: have gone through a loss at that time, and you

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Speaker 3: reached out, just kind of offering a friendly ear and

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Speaker 3: a friendly hand, and you're like, I'm here if you

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Speaker 3: want to talk, And of course I took her up

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Speaker 3: on that head.

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Speaker 1: I just remember thinking when I was reading about what

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Speaker 1: happened to Bob, who I always really liked. Actually, I

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Speaker 1: had a date with him once, as you know, I.

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Speaker 4: Really liked him.

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Speaker 1: I found him so cute and funny and amusing, and

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Speaker 1: I did think we shared a pretty nice kiss in

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Speaker 1: the foyer of my apartment.

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Speaker 2: But he always thought you were lovely.

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Speaker 4: What can I say?

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Speaker 2: He was a big fan.

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Speaker 4: He adored you, well, not enough to call me again, but.

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Speaker 1: That's okay, that's okay, because it all worked out. It

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Speaker 1: all worked out. He found the love of his life

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Speaker 1: with you. Oh, okay, And I remember thinking, gosh, Kelly,

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Speaker 1: I remember those strange, surreal days following Jay's death. I thought,

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Speaker 1: I know a little bit what Kelly's feeling right now.

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Speaker 1: I'm just going to say, hey, if you need me,

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Speaker 1: I'm here. We had dinner and then we've just stayed

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Speaker 1: in touch because I've also been very excited about your

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Speaker 1: career and what's ahead for you and tried to tried

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Speaker 4: So I'm just thrilled.

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Speaker 3: There's no better mentor to have than you well, and

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Speaker 3: I've been so grateful a for your friendship, B for

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Speaker 3: your guidance and mentorship on the career side of things.

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Speaker 3: And I'm just I mean, when Katie Kurk calls you

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Speaker 3: a dear friend of mine as well, which I'm excited about.

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Speaker 1: That's one of the reasons I thought this would be

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Speaker 1: very good chemistry. And it was serendipitous that my guest

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Speaker 1: today is someone who you know well. I always say

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Speaker 1: when people say that instead of who for a person.

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Speaker 1: People make that mistake a lot, by the way, and

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Speaker 1: that is John Stamos, Katie.

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Speaker 5: If you and I went out instead of you and Bob,

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Speaker 5: we'd probably still be dating.

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Speaker 4: I just, oh, quit it some more, John, quit it

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Speaker 5: Out of me Cooier Saggitt. He could have started with me.

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Speaker 1: Well, you didn't ask John, and I think I don't

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Speaker 5: Did Bob ask you out?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I remember, and we talked about it. I think

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Speaker 5: He was not really good. I used to have to

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Speaker 5: intelligent woman. She's not just beautiful. Be careful, Bob, and

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Speaker 5: you know and yeah, and you guys kissed she.

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Speaker 4: Did, and as Kelly knows, he was a good kisser.

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Speaker 6: Oh, I know sheosed him and you know, you guys

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Speaker 5: We were like old married couple. We didn't have sex,

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Speaker 5: and we argued about that. That's funny, John, that is well,

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Speaker 5: you know I learned from Bob. Thank you for having

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Speaker 5: me on this and what a great idea. But isn't

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Speaker 5: it called Katie plus one? Like don't you always have to.

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Speaker 1: Say the name of the podcast is next question? And

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Speaker 1: some conversations, honestly, John, lend themselves to sort of a

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Speaker 1: a topic. So this is really an experiment, and Kelly

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Speaker 1: I know what a big deal this is, John, because

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Speaker 1: I wrote a memoir that came out gosh, now about

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Speaker 1: Was a very stressful time because you do open up

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Speaker 5: It was the last thing on my mind. I never

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Speaker 5: I didn't think I could do it. Certainly, in my

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Speaker 5: should write a book. I'm like, now, yes, it was

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Speaker 5: go through it pretty meticulously, right Kelly, and and my

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Speaker 5: And yeah, you know you lost your husband. When is that?

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Speaker 1: I'd want them to be sad for a little while.

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Speaker 1: I'd want them to be very, very very sad, But

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Speaker 1: And Kelly's very much that attitude.

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Speaker 3: But at this point, well that's what I'm saying, John,

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Speaker 3: Like you know, better than anybody, I've had to differentiate

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Speaker 4: Maybe meet for someone, right.

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Speaker 3: But Earthly Bob absolutely not. Earthly Bob would be like,

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Speaker 3: how dare you? How could you you're smiling? Oh, so

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Speaker 3: you didn't love me at all? Right, I knew it,

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Speaker 3: you know, Like that's how earthly Bob would be, And

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Speaker 3: so you have to separate them, you know, and you

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Speaker 3: know that better than anybody. John, Like how he would

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Speaker 3: but he never wanted to talk about it because he

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Speaker 5: All right. You called me yesterday crying and it was

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Speaker 5: a you know, I started crying. But what you said

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Speaker 5: And that meant so much to me because I've just

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Speaker 1: Set the scene for me. John and Kelly, you guys

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it was. It was special. He was you know, look,

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Speaker 1: Hut. Yeah, well you know what I mean. I actually

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Speaker 1: dot com. We're back with John Stamos, Kelly Rizzo and Wah,

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Speaker 1: there is a lot more to you, John Stamos than

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Speaker 1: Bob Saggatt. And the book is is really while Bob

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Speaker 5: Could fast. You're so great. I haven't seen you do

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Speaker 5: I have this very large poster, big like I asked

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Speaker 5: He he treated his bus boy the same way he

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00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,760
Speaker 5: would treat his best customer. And I think and I

437
00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,760
Speaker 5: worked on Sundays, and I got I got General Hospital

438
00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:53,360
Speaker 5: during that time, and and and I remember getting when

439
00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,000
Speaker 5: I got the role. I was in the casting office

440
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:56,920
Speaker 5: and I called, I got a call, and I called

441
00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,200
Speaker 5: home phone answers and you could get and everybody was

442
00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,199
Speaker 5: around the phone and said I got bad news. I

443
00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:02,960
Speaker 5: got it, and they were screaming, and in the back

444
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:04,600
Speaker 5: you can hear min. I go make sure you don't

445
00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:08,800
Speaker 5: work on Sundays. I need you on Sundays. And sure enough,

446
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,320
Speaker 5: I auditioned, I got it the two days later. I

447
00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,080
Speaker 5: shot it the day after that, and it aired two

448
00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:16,320
Speaker 5: weeks later, and it was thirty five million people a day,

449
00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:20,040
Speaker 5: you know, seeing the show Downer Hospital. And I was

450
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,080
Speaker 5: I would still have to go to work on Sunday

451
00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,560
Speaker 5: to be my Dad's Sunday guy, you know, and people

452
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,280
Speaker 5: finally start, people started coming in and recognizing me. I

453
00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,560
Speaker 5: said that I'm famous. Can I quit? But I think

454
00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,359
Speaker 5: it took. And he came out and saw me on

455
00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:34,480
Speaker 5: the set one day and he saw the way that

456
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,719
Speaker 5: I handled people like he does, I think, and then

457
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:38,520
Speaker 5: he said, all right, enough of the restaurant. This is

458
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:39,159
Speaker 5: a real thing for you.

459
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:39,320
Speaker 3: Go.

460
00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:41,760
Speaker 5: I love your son, be the best you can be.

461
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:41,879
Speaker 3: And go.

462
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,280
Speaker 4: And he wasn't that old when he passed away.

463
00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:50,439
Speaker 5: Well yeah, he was sixty five. It was terrible, but

464
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,560
Speaker 5: and he wasn't. He was emotional enough, you know how

465
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,960
Speaker 5: you know, strong Greek dad, he was you know, my

466
00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:58,560
Speaker 5: mom would say I love you every other word, and

467
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:00,800
Speaker 5: he said, damn at Latti say it.

468
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 3: Though.

469
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:04,480
Speaker 5: He came to Yugoslavia when I was doing a movie

470
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,119
Speaker 5: in the nineties or and he came home and he

471
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 5: wrote this beautiful letter and faxed it to me and

472
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,879
Speaker 5: I read it then whatever. So when he when he

473
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 5: had a stroke in the airport in Las Vegas, it

474
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,640
Speaker 5: was in a stroke, it was it. He was, what's

475
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:21,719
Speaker 5: up to think? Getting choked up here?

476
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:22,639
Speaker 3: Uh?

477
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,480
Speaker 5: He was a colma for six months and he was

478
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,760
Speaker 5: at our house and I knew he was going to

479
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 5: die any day, and I was looking around in his

480
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 5: closet and his drawers for something I could keep it.

481
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 5: He was a super humble guy, drove the same car forever.

482
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 5: I found a crappy old watch that didn't work. But

483
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:38,879
Speaker 5: I moved his shirt or something and I saw I

484
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 5: love you Dad. I was like, oh, my heart stopped,

485
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,480
Speaker 5: like what is this? And it was the original letter

486
00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 5: that he had faxed me in Yugoslabya and I have

487
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 5: it up there. And the way he laid it out was,

488
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,439
Speaker 5: you know, A, you know, being on the set, the

489
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 5: way you handle people really maybe proud and B my

490
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 5: chest is sixty inches, you know, wow because of you

491
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 5: and C. He says, A man doesn't have many great moments,

492
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:00,840
Speaker 5: but you have given me many.

493
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 4: I love your dad, And now you have that framed

494
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:05,680
Speaker 4: in your office at home.

495
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, I write a lot of notes to my kid.

496
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know, but now now I'm

497
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 1: feeling like I should have written. My mom used to

498
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 1: write put little notes in my lunch bag and say

499
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,880
Speaker 1: things like don't get stuck in your peanut butter sandwich,

500
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:23,200
Speaker 1: but or when she put a banana that's no banana lady,

501
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 1: that's my nose, Jimmy to Ranny, but not that. I mean,

502
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 1: those I think were the only two notes she wrote me.

503
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 1: But it is a very sweet thing, and.

504
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,440
Speaker 3: I mean, I love how I mean. Obviously, I've heard

505
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 3: wonderful stories about your mom, but the way she's depicted

506
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,480
Speaker 3: in your book, of course is I mean, she's an angel,

507
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:41,679
Speaker 3: she's a saint. And I love that these notes that

508
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 3: she's written you, that you actually have in the book,

509
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,439
Speaker 3: they're like these little guide posts and signposts throughout each chapter.

510
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 2: So how did you come up with that idea?

511
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 5: Well, I was looking for a hook, I guess, to

512
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,360
Speaker 5: this book, like you know. And I remember telling the

513
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 5: agents like I don't like like that book, like the

514
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 5: art of not giving a fuck, like I need something

515
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 5: like that, you know. And if you would have told

516
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,640
Speaker 5: me thing. A friend of mine said, hey, why don't

517
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 5: you call it if you would have told me, because

518
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 5: I've said that forever. He a friend of my Neel

519
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 5: was over and Mike Love was calling me, and I

520
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 5: didn't answer it, and I said, Toff, you would have

521
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 5: told me. When I was a kid. My first show

522
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:16,640
Speaker 5: I ever concerted, I went to it was The Beat sports,

523
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 5: and I wouldn't answer the Vollain Mike love call. So

524
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 5: it was so that I started that. And then the notes.

525
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 5: I knew I had them, and I knew my sisters

526
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 5: had some, so I gathered all those together, sort of

527
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 5: laid them out. I was like, oh, this is kind

528
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 5: of going along with my you know, the first chapter.

529
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 5: You know, when I was getting ready to get in

530
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,160
Speaker 5: my car and go see Bob at the palm and

531
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,679
Speaker 5: you know, and I never made it. I looked out

532
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,200
Speaker 5: the wall, all those frame walls, and I have one

533
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 5: of her notes frame and said, don't give the devil

534
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,400
Speaker 5: a ride, He'll end up doing the driving. And I go, wow, wow, Okay,

535
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 5: so that goes there.

536
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 1: So she just did it all the time. Or when

537
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: would she give you these notes? Would she put them

538
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 1: on your pillow? How did it work?

539
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 5: Sometimes they'd be on the pillow. Towards the end when

540
00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 5: my dad died and I always got divorced, and you know,

541
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 5: we were both in a rough place and we needed

542
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 5: each other. It was close to being, you know, too much,

543
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 5: but it was it was definitely a needy relationship. I

544
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 5: would go there and she called her house the Castle

545
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 5: of comfort, and so there'd be not saying welcome to

546
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,199
Speaker 5: the Castle of comfort. But a lot of them, you know,

547
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,639
Speaker 5: I found in like birthday cards. It's like some of

548
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 5: the stuff she said in these birthday cards were like wow,

549
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 5: you know, like thank God gave you to man dad

550
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:25,639
Speaker 5: and me and your dad and my life, you know.

551
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 5: And I found one too. I don't know if it's

552
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 5: in I think so. Yeah. It was like I was

553
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,399
Speaker 5: the only person that shared a heartbeat with her, Like

554
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 5: where does she get that from? But that's I never

555
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 5: thought about that. But yeah, that's true.

556
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 2: That's beautiful.

557
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:37,360
Speaker 4: It is.

558
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 5: I write sometimes. Caitlin and I both wrote Billy a

559
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 5: letter when he was born, and we put it in

560
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 5: the safe. But what I do is I set up

561
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 5: an email account for him, so I'll email him once

562
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 5: a week, once a month or whatever. And it's easier

563
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:50,959
Speaker 5: just to kind of talk into the phone and email.

564
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 5: And then someday, I guess I'll write him out. But

565
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 5: he's probably got already a couple hundred, you know, letters

566
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:58,360
Speaker 5: from me waiting for him.

567
00:25:58,560 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 4: That's so cool.

568
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,199
Speaker 1: You know, I had wanted to do that, you know,

569
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 1: the best laid plans of mice and men. I had

570
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: wanted to write my daughter's a letter every year to say,

571
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,439
Speaker 1: this is what happened this year. You know, this is

572
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 1: what you did. These were some of the moments we had.

573
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 1: And John, do you think I did it?

574
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 4: Of course not.

575
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 2: How great idea.

576
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: They're thirty two and twenty eight now, so I would

577
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,120
Speaker 1: like to write them one letter just you know, my book.

578
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 1: But my book was kind of my letter to my girls,

579
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: you know, and they I kind of put it all

580
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 1: out and my life lessons are And that's actually one

581
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 1: of the reasons I wanted to write my book. I

582
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 1: wanted to record something not necessarily for strangers, but for

583
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: my daughters, you know, that would memorialize my life. And

584
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: I think this is this is something great for your son.

585
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 5: You know, yeah, I think so. You know, he's a

586
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 5: little shit today. He slept with us. He slept with

587
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:00,679
Speaker 5: me and Kit was on for a couple of nights,

588
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 5: so crawl into bed with me and it was yesterday

589
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 5: and wake up in his like, you know, his little

590
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,479
Speaker 5: face is right up my nose right now, And uh

591
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 5: is it?

592
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 3: Dad?

593
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 5: Yeah, you smell like the bathroom at my school. Well,

594
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 5: thank you, son, Billy, thank you, Billy. Well, he's so

595
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 5: funny and he and his humor is a lot closer

596
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 5: to Bob's than mine. And that's you know, sometimes I

597
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 5: really get bummed out when I that Bob doesn't get

598
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,439
Speaker 5: because he just he said, Dad, when if you have

599
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 5: to pee and you hold it longer, the pea nest

600
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 5: goes away or something like that. That's something Michael Bob

601
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 5: would have talked about.

602
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 3: That is very close to a Bob joke that we

603
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 3: know about.

604
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 5: I walked by and uh not a couple of months,

605
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 5: a couple of weeks after Bob passed away in and

606
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 5: he was the nanny was showing him Full House. And

607
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 5: most time he watches it just to get enough Ammo

608
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 5: to make fun of, you know, to goof on me,

609
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 5: and they'll start like, Billy, go clean up your toys.

610
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 5: You got it. But this particular show, he's five and

611
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 5: a half and it was The Beach Boys, and he

612
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 5: it was this this scene where where Danny was telling

613
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 5: Uncle Jesse he wishes that his life rock and roll

614
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,719
Speaker 5: are cool, and Jesse was saying, I wish I had

615
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 5: your life of family and stuff, and in truth, it

616
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 5: was it was the real us. It wasn't the characters.

617
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 5: And I just lost it and I was kind of

618
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 5: he could see me out at a side of perpet

619
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 5: and and you know, in a moment of coolness that

620
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 5: that I haven't maybe haven't seen since he let me

621
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:34,919
Speaker 5: have that moment, and I was, you know, I was

622
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 5: just choked up, and he looked at me and I

623
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 5: just kind of walked away. But so sometimes he can

624
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 5: be cool. He's the light of mine.

625
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: He's so cute. He's so cute. He's like a little

626
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: mini John is a handsome kid. I stalk you guys

627
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: on Instagram.

628
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 5: So weird. I try to teach him because now it's

629
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 5: like he's a lot of people know you're cute. You're trying,

630
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 5: and I said, no, you're not. You know, I gotta

631
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 5: figure out how.

632
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,239
Speaker 1: You don't want to get to well. Also, you have

633
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: to praise different things. You have to praise his grit,

634
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: the fact that she doesn't give up, that he tried

635
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: to think, the fact that he's kind to other people. Yes, yeah,

636
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: that's so important because especially for girls, like I used

637
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: to say, if somebody said to my girls, so you're pretty,

638
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: and I'd say, but they're very smart. Actually they're they're

639
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: smarter than they are.

640
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I tell him now, just this morning. I said, people,

641
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 5: you want people to like you because you're smart, and

642
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 5: you're kind and you're compassionate, which he is. Yeah, that's

643
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 5: what you know. But he's a little and I wasn't

644
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 5: like this as a kid. I guess Caitlyn was a

645
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 5: flirt of her. He he's got girls. Remember Kelly at

646
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 5: my birthday party a couple of weeks ago, Gabella still

647
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 5: Isabella and too much. We were in Disney in Paris,

648
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 5: and I swear this so he It was two days

649
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 5: and the first day we had a guide, older French woman,

650
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 5: very nice but maybe in her fifties or sixties, and believes.

651
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 5: The next day, this beautiful third thirty year old French

652
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 5: shows up. It was a bit and billy like boom

653
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 5: and here's his move, which I can't use because I'm married.

654
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 5: But he's like, uh so, what's my favorite color?

655
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 3: Still? So?

656
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 5: What kind of uh? What's my favorite animal? Huh? Like

657
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 5: he's quizzing them on his stuff. So and then I

658
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 5: kind of overhear him talking about his girlfriend, Bella. He's

659
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 5: gotta go my girlfriend Bella and she lives in the neighborhood.

660
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 5: It's really nice and spiring. Mamma then the lady goes,

661
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 5: excuse me, I have to go the Beth of them

662
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 5: super walks me it's soon, swear to God. As soon

663
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 5: as she's out of earshot, he goes to me, goes,

664
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 5: why did I tell her I had a girlfriend?

665
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 4: Wow, he's already a player.

666
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 2: That is.

667
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 5: I don't like it. I don't like it.

668
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 3: Wait, So, speaking of Disney, so obviously I know you

669
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 3: as the biggest Disney freak of anyone I've ever met

670
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 3: in my life. Like, I didn't know like Disney File

671
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 3: was a thing until I met you. But in your

672
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 3: book you talk about like the origins of it, which

673
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 3: was so interesting to me because I never really knew

674
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 3: where it came from.

675
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 5: Growing up next to Disney. Yeah. Well, I mean you're

676
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 5: talking child and my childhood was it was. It couldn't

677
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 5: have gone better. And I think a lot of people

678
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 5: kids would go to the Disney to escape whatever they

679
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 5: were dealing with at home, and I it was the

680
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 5: opposite For me. I just loved it. But it was

681
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 5: also when once you walked through those gates, the artistry,

682
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 5: and you know the way that that these brilliant imagineers

683
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 5: want you to feel. Age Lambs, I really got attracted

684
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 5: to that, and it was a place that's sort of

685
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 5: where I reached puberty. There was a place to you know,

686
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 5: trying to pick up, try to pick up girls. I

687
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 5: never really quite got it.

688
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 4: It was kind of your like your mall growing up maybe.

689
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, right right, yes, and so yeah, I'd be

690
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 5: standing in line there with my dad's members only jacket

691
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 5: and zits and hair and feather members.

692
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 4: Oh my god, that brings back memories my dad.

693
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 5: Still, the chicks didn't like that. I realized that. But Kelly,

694
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 5: we all went. We had a great Remember, we all

695
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 5: with Dave and his wife Melissa, and we all wore Onesies. Remember.

696
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, Bob was not happy because it didn't quite fit.

697
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 5: It was didn't like he couldn't quite sip it.

698
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 2: And he was very unhappy that we forced him to

699
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 2: wear the ones.

700
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 1: But you proposed to your wife at Disney World or Land.

701
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: I guess disney Land out here, Disney World in Orlando.

702
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, like I had a choice. I was done

703
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 5: with Disney until I met her, and then she's fucking

704
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 5: back in again.

705
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,719
Speaker 1: One of the things you write about John is that

706
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: you wanted to be famous from the beginning. I mean,

707
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: why What did you see that sparked that in you

708
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: that said I want to be a household name or

709
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: I want it, I want people to know me.

710
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 5: Yeah. I do say that a lot, and it is true.

711
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 5: But in closer look that it was really about being

712
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 5: liked because I, you know, I was before the bullying

713
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 5: was even a term. Some jack asked gave me a

714
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 5: black eye because his girlfriend wanted to go out with me,

715
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 5: and you know that was so humiliating, and I wasn't

716
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 5: you know, I was a dorky kid. I like puppets

717
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 5: and magic and nothing cool about any of it. And girls.

718
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 5: I put a picture in the book of me with

719
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 5: a puppet trying to impress some girls. She's like, oh,

720
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 5: then you know the next picture you see me on

721
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 5: drums like I gotta. But so I think it was

722
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 5: more of just wanting to be liked. But I did

723
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 5: you know, being famous was something that I wanted first,

724
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 5: and then then I learned acting. Acting Okay, I don't

725
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,239
Speaker 5: learn that, but it was yeah, you know, it was

726
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 5: you know, maybe did you find this writing your book

727
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 5: that I really discovered my story as I was writing it,

728
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 5: Like again, like I didn't think it's your life, so

729
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 5: you go, ah, it's okay, it's not do that. I

730
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 5: play with it. But as you when you write it

731
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 5: all down, there's a lot.

732
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

733
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 5: And I was always sort of trying to find the

734
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 5: relatable you know places, and certainly being a dorky kid

735
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 5: and being bullied, you know, was one. And being cheated on.

736
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 5: You know, I think you know, people probably think, oh,

737
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 5: he's never gonna get cheated on looking at him, and

738
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 5: you know, my wife cheated on me because I have

739
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 5: no money. I'm not good like no, no, no, no, no,

740
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 5: it's people are assholes. That's why he got cheated or not.

741
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 5: But so I was trying to find as many relatable

742
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 5: moments throughout the book, and they kind of came. But

743
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 5: what I was going to ask you was, did you

744
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 5: find like as I was discovering my story, I realized

745
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 5: so many things that happened back then that I get now.

746
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 5: It was in the middle of a lot of cultural

747
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 5: being on General Hospital, and the storylines between the black

748
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 5: actors and the white actors was so different, and they

749
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 5: had to get their hair done in another place and

750
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 5: look back, I said, wait a minute, that's segregation, you know. Now,

751
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 5: you know, we're dealing with homophobia in the theater, inequality

752
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 5: in the workplace for women, my dad. It was so

753
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 5: great to write about my dad. He never held my

754
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 5: mom wanted to be a housewife and she was great,

755
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 5: and my dad never held that over. He never said,

756
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 5: I'm not going to make the money you don't. In fact,

757
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 5: he thought her and praised her for her job was

758
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,800
Speaker 5: harder and more important, and it was. Those are the

759
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 5: examples that I had. But looking back at all those

760
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 5: you know, those kind of tent poles moments of my life,

761
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 5: was interesting.

762
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 1: It is interesting. I think also if you look back,

763
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: how much things have changed. You know, I mean, I'm

764
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: older than you are, John, I think by six years,

765
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: but you're, well, how are you? I'm sixty six, Yeah,

766
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: so kind of the same generation. And you know, you

767
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: think about like when we were little, nobody was out

768
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 1: if they were gay. I mean, it was a very

769
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 1: closeted world. So much homophobia you think about, you know,

770
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: there was if there wasn't segregation, obviously there was de

771
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 1: facto segregation with a black part of town where I

772
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: grew up. And women obviously the role of women and

773
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: the aspirations you could have as a young woman. My

774
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: mom was a housewife as well, and my dad never

775
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: you know, lauded that over her. But she just didn't

776
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 1: have that many choices, you know. There weren't that many

777
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: opportunities for my mom to have a life outside the

778
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: home in a very tangible way. So sometimes when I

779
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: was writing my book, I would be like, Wow, we

780
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: have really evolved as a culture. Obviously, we have a

781
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: long way to go. It's not like we've eradicated sexism

782
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,439
Speaker 1: or racism or all the isms that haunt us as

783
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: a society. But the progress that has been made, it

784
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: is the changes in attitudes. It's pretty something, you know,

785
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: it's something to behold.

786
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think, you know, yeah exactly. And I

787
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 5: think about a lot about, you know, some of the

788
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 5: sexual endeavors that I went through in my life that

789
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 5: you know, you think of them as. Back then, it

790
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 5: was like, oh, every school boys dream, you know. I

791
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 5: walked into my dressing with a naked girl in the closet,

792
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 5: and and and this penthouse pet came in and had

793
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 5: sex with me, and and I, you know, I'm happy

794
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 5: to say that they were not what I thought it

795
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 5: was going to be. I didn't feel good after. I

796
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 5: didn't like it. I wanted to love, I want to

797
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 5: like my family. But yeah, so I found those things.

798
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 5: We certainly, this me Too movement has been so incredible

799
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 5: because it's just it really, women have really done a

800
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 5: brilliant job at making us men, you know, straighten up

801
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 5: and look at you know, look at the way that

802
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 5: they've been treated over the years. Uh So, a lot

803
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 5: of that, But then you look at so then we

804
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 5: you know, with racism and some of this stuff like

805
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 5: have we not got past this yet? Come on, there

806
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 5: was so much of it, I guess stamp down without Okay,

807
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 5: we're moving forward, and now it's bubbling up again.

808
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: But I think we're having the kind of conversations about it, John,

809
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: that we never did when we were younger. I think

810
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,399
Speaker 1: it was just sort of part of our lives. And

811
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,879
Speaker 1: I remember when I did my my daytime talk show,

812
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 1: which I renamed My Stupid daytime talk Show, even though

813
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: there were some good episodes, but I remember thinking, well,

814
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 1: it wasn't It's just I that's a longer story, read

815
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: my book. But it's just that I never got to

816
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 1: the kind of things that I really wanted to explore.

817
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: Was not necessarily perfect for what a daytime audience.

818
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 5: Was looking for nowadays, you would do, you would say,

819
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 5: fuck you, this is the way I want to do

820
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 5: my show, and here's what I'm talking about.

821
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: Well I did, and it was canceled. But anyway, well, okay,

822
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: good though, Yeah, yeah I did, and but but I

823
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: remember wanting to do a story of an episode or

824
00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: a show on Race and I remember, like nobody, we

825
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 1: couldn't figure out how to address it or how to

826
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: attack it because it just wasn't part of the national

827
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: conversation back then. So in a way, we've had so

828
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: many growing pains talking about systemic racism and even sexism,

829
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: but at least they're being talked about, if not solved, right, yeah.

830
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 5: Then there's some culpability. There's some people that are having

831
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 5: to you know, it's interesting they didn't. The publisher kept saying,

832
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 5: where's Laurie want to talk about the you know, the

833
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 5: college gatter you got to write about there. I said, no,

834
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 5: I don't, And I talked to Laurie about it. She says, yeah,

835
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 5: go ahead, We'll trying to say anything you want. You

836
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 5: can defend me. I said, Asheria, and I sort of

837
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 5: wrote it out. I said, no, this is not I

838
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,959
Speaker 5: didn't like it. And then so it was nothing there.

839
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,720
Speaker 5: And then I said, it does feel like there's something missing,

840
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 5: and I went back and I just wrote about from

841
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 5: my point of view, the way she went through it.

842
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 5: Everybody makes mistakes big and small, and by the way,

843
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,439
Speaker 5: like the last person you think on full that would

844
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 5: go to jail first be me, probably Jodie or both

845
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 5: of us together. But the way she you know, it

846
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 5: was a study and resilience and the way she got

847
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 5: up every day and you know, took care of a

848
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 5: family and took care of a marriage. I mean I

849
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 5: would have crumbled way for she did. So that was

850
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 5: interesting to be able to just write about her and

851
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 5: have that conversation, not picking sides.

852
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 2: She is so strong.

853
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 3: Just her attitude and outlook on everything, you know, for

854
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 3: what she went through to just have such a positive

855
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 3: just a smile on her face and a positive outlook.

856
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 2: On things, it's really remarkable.

857
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 1: That must have been mortifying and horrifying for her to

858
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: go through. And people, I mean, I'm not saying what

859
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: she did was right, but people are so cruel and

860
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: so righteous and judgmental.

861
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 4: That must have been really hard.

862
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 5: The mud that was slung at her kids daily too,

863
00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 5: you know, in her family. But she you know, yeah,

864
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 5: I mean it was the way that she handled it,

865
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 5: and she she was accountable. She did everything she was

866
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 5: supposed to do. Go to jail, do this, you know,

867
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 5: and and and a lot of people don't know that

868
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 5: during that time she was going and helping kids in

869
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 5: schools and you know, under privileged kids and bringing food

870
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 5: to anyway, she's a saint, and she you know, she

871
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 5: made a big mistake and typical Lori fashion, weish she

872
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 5: got out of jealous. How was it, she goes, Oh,

873
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 5: it wasn't bad. I met some I met a couple

874
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 5: of really nice ladies. We're in our book club now,

875
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,280
Speaker 5: and it was like, okay.

876
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 2: She said.

877
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 3: She took the time to get to know everyone there

878
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 3: and learn their stories, and they all had a lot

879
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 3: of difficult stories, and she really wanted to understand, like

880
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 3: what brings people to that place.

881
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 4: You know, she's never.

882
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 1: Really done an interview, has she No, No, you should

883
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: get her only about it anyway, John, I wanted to

884
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: ask you just a few more things about the book.

885
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 1: And one is your obsession or lifelong love, I should say,

886
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: of music. And you included a niche quote in your

887
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 1: yearbook without music life would be in the steak.

888
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, my dad thought it was so stupid. He goes,

889
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 5: that's the dumbest thing I ever heard, really, Dad, Well,

890
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:07,720
Speaker 5: look who I'm playing with today.

891
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, let's talk about your music and how you

892
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 1: fell in love with music and the whole process of that.

893
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 5: I was drumming was my main thing. And by the way,

894
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 5: if you can see, can you see, Kelly was kind

895
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 5: enough to give me Bob's guitar. It's the back when

896
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 5: in the middle, see that. And I don't play it

897
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 5: because if I picked it up and started playing it

898
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 5: be like dog licked my balls. Fu fu fuck. But

899
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 5: you know, so I try not to pick it up,

900
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 5: but not a digress and I'll go back to you

901
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 5: need to we need to, Kelly. There's one recording of

902
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 5: this song before Bob died, and he was working it

903
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 5: into his act and it's about I just saw it

904
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 5: the other day. He sings a song about falling in

905
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 5: love with her dad.

906
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 3: It's about my dad. It's called I'm Not in Love

907
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:58,240
Speaker 3: with my Wife's father. Yeah, and it's about my dad

908
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 3: and it's hilarious. And there's only one because he never

909
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 3: recorded it and he never it was going to be

910
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 3: in his new special, and so he didn't want anyone

911
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 3: else to record it because he didn't want to getting

912
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 3: out there because it's supposed to be a surprise in

913
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 3: the special. And so I recorded it at his one

914
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 3: of his last shows ever in Denver, and I have

915
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 3: a video of it, and at some point I need

916
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 3: to release it. And John had, you know, a good

917
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 3: idea for maybe how we should release that one day.

918
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 1: But maybe you could do it and raise money for

919
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: Clara Derma or something.

920
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 5: What was the idea to play it right now?

921
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: On Katie's podcast, No, No, No, I wish I was thinking,

922
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:32,879
Speaker 1: of course, you know, I like the way you think,

923
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: John Stamos.

924
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 4: But then I was thinking, no, no, Kelly's way too

925
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 4: smart for that.

926
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 5: Well, it's got to be debuted somewhere.

927
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 4: I don't know.

928
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 3: Well, No, she had a good idea. It could be

929
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 3: to raise money for the SRF.

930
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 5: By the way, this is a This is the bracelet

931
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 5: that we put out to raise money for Bob's charity

932
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 5: and Kelly's charity, and it's the biggest selling bracelet. It's uh,

933
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 5: we have a thing called Saint Amos and you can

934
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 5: buy a bracelet this this is one's for Bob.

935
00:42:58,520 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 2: I know, I love that you guys did that.

936
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 4: And wait, what does it go for? Is that first

937
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 4: claraderma something else?

938
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's their charity like in conjunction with the SRF,

939
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 3: which is really really nice.

940
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 4: And what is your charity?

941
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 2: John so thoughtful?

942
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 5: Well, I've devoted over the last thirty thirty five years

943
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 5: to the abused children and you know, to stop that

944
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 5: which it's you know, there's been on the rise since

945
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 5: the pandemic and I, you know, I talk a little

946
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 5: bit about it in the book. You know something that

947
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 5: happened to me. I felt sort of like a Charlottan

948
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 5: not talking about you know, I had a instiand with

949
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 5: a babysitter when I was twelve or so, and it

950
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 5: was I stopped it away and I I came back

951
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 5: when I was writing a speech for an event that

952
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 5: they were giving me an award for the childhood and

953
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 5: I said, you know what, now is not the time

954
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 5: I'm going to pack this away. And then when I

955
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 5: was writing the book, I was just like, yeah, I

956
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 5: did I work? Did I put everything in here that

957
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 5: I will? Oh wait a minute, what about that? And

958
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 5: I talked to my sisters and I talked to Kate

959
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 5: then and it's very brief, but I but you know,

960
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 5: it was important to me to talk about it. It's

961
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 5: a very you know, uncomfortable situation with a babysitter, and

962
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 5: you know, I think that I think the the rate

963
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 5: is like seven out of every twenty five girls have

964
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 5: been you know, sexually abused, and only four something out

965
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 5: of every twenty five men boys. But that's because boys

966
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 5: don't talk about it. So I felt it was sort

967
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,879
Speaker 5: of important to tell my my incident there.

968
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: The numbers are really amazing, aren't they When you think

969
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: about it, how prevalent it is, and you know what

970
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:40,240
Speaker 1: a hidden, dark secret is for so many, so many people,

971
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: and how how much it shapes them going forward with

972
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 1: their view of themselves and the way they look at

973
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 1: others and relationships and all that.

974
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's why I thought it was important. And we

975
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 5: have a one eight hundred number one eight hundred four

976
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 5: a child and this is one of the reasons why

977
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 5: I mentioned the book too, so I could talk about

978
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 5: that because if you you know, if you feel like

979
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 5: there's abuse going on, you can call. The other thing

980
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 5: is like we talked to if your parent and you're

981
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 5: stressed and and you're thinking about getting angry at your kids.

982
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 5: You can call that number two. So that was important.

983
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,720
Speaker 1: We'll be back with more of John Stamos and Kelly

984
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 1: Rizzo my Plus one right after this. We're back with

985
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 1: Kelly Rizzo and John Stamos. Let's go back to music,

986
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: because I feel like you didn't really tell me about that,

987
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: because you write without music, life would be a mistake.

988
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 1: That's a Nietzche quote. My dad thought it was stupid.

989
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 1: I don't think he knew how important music was to me.

990
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: Of course, he didn't think it was so stupid. When

991
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,240
Speaker 1: I went on to play drums with the Beach Boys,

992
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: John Fogerty and Bruce Springsteen, BB King, Willie Nilson, Little Richard, America, God,

993
00:45:56,280 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: remember America. I loved America, Tom Jones and many more

994
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,720
Speaker 1: grades over the years. That's so cool.

995
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, vibe. Yeah, I've been blessed to I'm a good

996
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 5: I'm a decent drummer. I'm not a terrible singer. And

997
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 5: a melody was always sort of escape. I love hearing it,

998
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 5: but I can't play, so I played drums. It was

999
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 5: my identity, you know, even before wanting to be an actor.

1000
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 5: I didn't evenly act in school, and I didn't really

1001
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:21,439
Speaker 5: it wasn't in any of the plays. And I wasn't

1002
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 5: a good singer. But finding something early and I encourage

1003
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 5: any parent to steer the kid towards something that they

1004
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 5: helped find their identity. And that's how I wasn't junior

1005
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 5: high school and high school. I was a music I

1006
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:34,720
Speaker 5: was a drummer. I was in the marching vantag Jutment.

1007
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 5: I just loved it. I just loved it. And the

1008
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 5: first time I heard the Beach Boys song at Disneyland,

1009
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 5: I was across the park at the Matterhorn and I

1010
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 5: heard Sloop John b and it pulled me over like

1011
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 5: a like you know, like a pied piper, you know.

1012
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,280
Speaker 5: And I pulled up. I just got to the stage

1013
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 5: and they were singing this a cappella part of Slop

1014
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 5: John Bean. Was like, oh my god, what is it?

1015
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 5: What is that? You know? It was? I call the

1016
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 5: Beachwoys music heart music. You don't have to think about it.

1017
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 5: But and so I just set off and being the

1018
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 5: acting cut sort of took off first. I always wanted

1019
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 5: to play drums on TV. When I was on General Hospital,

1020
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 5: there was a I was asked, can I play drums? Like,

1021
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 5: we're not taking requests, kid, you know, relax. And then

1022
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 5: one day I said to my dad, Dad, this guy

1023
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 5: named Sammy Junior. Something's on the show. What about like

1024
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,280
Speaker 5: samm David Junior. M yeah, oh my god, he's a legend.

1025
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 5: And that started my love for the rat pack of

1026
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 5: my dad saying you got to listen to Otra, to

1027
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 5: Dean Martin or Sammy. So I said, what do I

1028
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:27,720
Speaker 5: talk to him about? He said, well, he's a drummer.

1029
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,800
Speaker 5: Talked to him about playing drums maybe. So the scene

1030
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 5: was that that Sammy was playing a character and I

1031
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,720
Speaker 5: was the host of the talent show at the Waterfront.

1032
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 5: We were raising money for the street kids stuff, and

1033
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 5: I was I was standing next to him. I said,

1034
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 5: mister David, they won't let me play drums on the

1035
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 5: He said right. And I talked him about music and

1036
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:50,240
Speaker 5: I had a real conversation about it, and I do impressions.

1037
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 4: This, yea, yeah, do it. I was like, keep going.

1038
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 5: So so he's so. I talked to him about music

1039
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 5: and he said, okay, ba, how hold on man? And

1040
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 5: he goes over to uh somewhere to talk to the

1041
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 5: producers and he comes back and just do what I say, man,

1042
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 5: I know what, And I remember him being very firm,

1043
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 5: just do what I said in the scene, like okay.

1044
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 5: So I introduced him as the character and he comes

1045
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 5: out and then he goes, uh, Blackie, you playing drums? Right,

1046
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 5: I'm like, and it completely had lived and you can

1047
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,439
Speaker 5: it's on YouTube. I'm like, yeah, let's come up here.

1048
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 3: That's the best way to start the show, since I'm

1049
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:23,439
Speaker 3: an opening act.

1050
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 5: It was a little jazz come together, that's it. And

1051
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 5: he plays there was a drum, there was a band

1052
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 5: set of it, and he's playing piano and I'm playing

1053
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 5: drums and you want two three four, And you could

1054
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 5: see this stage like passing on to the young man

1055
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 5: like you you got you one of us. You're a musician,

1056
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 5: you get it. And it was the most beautiful and

1057
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,439
Speaker 5: we just kept playing. They didn't stop us, they didn't

1058
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 5: dare stop us. And I heard later that everybody in

1059
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 5: New York and LA and they were all everyone was

1060
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 5: walking towards the monitors like, you know, like, oh my god,

1061
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 5: what having And he and it ended and he gave

1062
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 5: me his big hug, and it was just, you know,

1063
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 5: it was I've been playing music on the TV ever since.

1064
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 5: Thanks to him.

1065
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 4: What a great story, What a great story.

1066
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: And now you and Mike Love and the Beach Boys

1067
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: are like BFFs, right, the Beach Boys.

1068
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 5: I was obsessed with the Beach Boys as a kid.

1069
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 5: I was obsessed with them and I it was the

1070
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,439
Speaker 5: first concert I ever went to at the Universal level theater,

1071
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 5: you know, before I had the roof on it. And

1072
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 5: I just never imagined that one day I'd be with him.

1073
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 5: One of the first times I played with them was

1074
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 5: in They would do these concerts, you know, at the

1075
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 5: Fourth of July, and they did a few shows, and

1076
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 5: then James Watson they're attracting the wrong people. They're not

1077
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 5: America's band, blah blah, and they banned them and brought.

1078
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 4: Oh they did the Interior Secretary.

1079
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's Jacks and and they got Wayne Newton instead,

1080
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 5: and so don you know, and Nancy Reagan's now I'm

1081
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 5: more of a you know, she was more of a

1082
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 5: surfer girl than had dunka Shane Gallant. So they got

1083
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 5: rid of him and then brought the Beach Boys back.

1084
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,280
Speaker 5: And that's when I did it with him. In the afternoon.

1085
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 5: It was in Philadelphia for a million people and there

1086
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 5: were bobs from and then DC for seven hundred and

1087
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:13,879
Speaker 5: fifty thousand people. That was one of the first times

1088
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 5: I played with them.

1089
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 1: Wow are you worried about anything in this book? John,

1090
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: I mean you talk about your marriage to Rebecca Romaine.

1091
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:26,439
Speaker 1: That was challenging and difficult, and I always thought, Wow,

1092
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: two people in the same profession must be a very

1093
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 1: fraught situation, right, And it turned out to be for

1094
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 1: you all.

1095
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know if it was because I mean

1096
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 5: she yeah, I don't know. It was interesting that again,

1097
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 5: that was a discovery that I made, Like the and

1098
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 5: you know what, you're the first person asking me about that.

1099
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 3: This.

1100
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 5: They were saying, well, you have to write about that.

1101
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 5: I said, no, I don't, but I guess I did.

1102
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 5: And what I came to discover, you know, all these

1103
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 5: years I was like, she's a terrible president. She even

1104
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 5: did this, and she did that, blah blah blah. And

1105
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 5: in Rihab when I was doing the twelve step, the

1106
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 5: fourth step is to down all your resentments, and she

1107
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 5: did that. You know, I had a field day with that.

1108
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 5: And that you know, the guy says you're done, and

1109
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 5: I said, no, there me another pen writing all this stuff,

1110
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 5: and he said, no, what part did you play in that?

1111
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 3: Is it?

1112
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,359
Speaker 5: What? I don't paid it, even if it was one

1113
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 5: percent of it. And I started writing that down, and

1114
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:20,280
Speaker 5: I realized I had more to do with the demise

1115
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,319
Speaker 5: of our marriage than I was willing to admit all

1116
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 5: these years. And at that moment I had just learned

1117
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 5: to forgive and let it go. But so that was

1118
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 5: the only way I really was going to write about that.

1119
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 5: You know, what happened in the book that you know

1120
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 5: that that she was It just didn't work out. No

1121
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 5: good guys, no bagg you. It is just the way

1122
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 5: it is.

1123
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I think writing a book, you have

1124
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 1: to be honest about your flaws, and sometimes that's kind

1125
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 1: of embarrassing, you know, but you you know, you have

1126
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: to say where you fell short and what you wish

1127
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 1: you had done differently. I mean, it's a it's a

1128
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 1: very sometimes painful look at your life. Obviously, there are

1129
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: a lot of incredibly wonderful things that happened, but you

1130
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: have to reassess some of the things that you did

1131
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: and own it.

1132
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, otherwise, what's you know, what's the point. I did

1133
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:10,839
Speaker 5: start out like to write a hero story I did,

1134
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 5: and then I was like no, no, no, no, and

1135
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 5: then it became a human story.

1136
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:16,839
Speaker 3: Well, you said you wanted it to be relatable, and

1137
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 3: that's how you can be relatable is when you're human

1138
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 3: and you're showing you know, as you said, like how

1139
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 3: you fell short, and you know, if you're the hero story,

1140
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:29,320
Speaker 3: it's not going to be as relatable to people.

1141
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 1: Right before we go, Kelly, obviously, I think for you

1142
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: from what I understand reading about Bob and reading what

1143
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:42,800
Speaker 1: John wrote about Bob and what he meant to him,

1144
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: I mean, that must have been an incredible experience for you,

1145
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: both one of of pain but also one of great memories.

1146
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,839
Speaker 1: And when you called John after you read the part

1147
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:00,040
Speaker 1: about Bob, what did you say, Yeah, well.

1148
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 3: I wanted John to know in case we didn't have

1149
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 3: as much time to discuss it today, like just to

1150
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 3: hear from me how much it meant to me, not

1151
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:14,959
Speaker 3: only as Bob's wife and as John's friend, but also

1152
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 3: just as somebody in the public who's going to read this,

1153
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 3: how they're going to see Bob and see how he

1154
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 3: was portrayed as a person, as a friend as I mean,

1155
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,359
Speaker 3: because you know, you write about even parts of our

1156
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 3: relationship or mine and Bob's, you know, as a husband,

1157
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 3: as a friend, as a brother, which you had said

1158
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 3: that you guys had always both you wanted brothers, and

1159
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 3: so you guys finally did become that to each other

1160
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:45,439
Speaker 3: after you know, wasn't right away.

1161
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 2: Took a few years.

1162
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 3: But I told you yesterday when I called you in

1163
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 3: tears that it just meant so much to me that

1164
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:57,919
Speaker 3: you told his story so beautifully and about just who

1165
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 3: he was and how people reading this are just to

1166
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 3: gets such an incredible picture of who he truly was

1167
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 3: as a person. But also the memory that you have

1168
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 3: of so many of these instances were so detailed, And

1169
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 3: it was also so great to get it from your perspective, because,

1170
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 3: as I said, I had really only heard Bob's perspective,

1171
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:21,399
Speaker 3: and you just did such a beautiful, wonderful tribute to him.

1172
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,320
Speaker 3: And he would be so proud. I know his girls

1173
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 3: are going to be so proud. I'm so proud, and

1174
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 3: you should just be so proud.

1175
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:29,720
Speaker 5: Than that means the world to me. I was really

1176
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:31,800
Speaker 5: you know, I didn't know what I didn't know. I

1177
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 5: was really thank you. I appreciate that.

1178
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I was telling Kelly, I lost a good

1179
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 1: friend recently, and I am going to carry her in

1180
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 1: my heart and try to be more like her moving on.

1181
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 1: And I'm just curious if you if there's anything about

1182
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 1: you that changed after losing Bob.

1183
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, of course. I mean, you know, Kelly can

1184
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 5: attest that his whole thing was he never left anything

1185
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 5: on the table. I always said, I love you, I

1186
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 5: care about you know, and tomorrow is never promised. And

1187
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 5: Bob lived his life that way, right, And he went out.

1188
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,320
Speaker 5: I remember talking to him home Jamie the Curtis she

1189
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:13,760
Speaker 5: wrote the thing in the front. I remember telling Jamie

1190
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 5: like he was so alive, and she said, yeah, and

1191
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 5: that wouldn't you rather die alive and vibrant than some

1192
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 5: old you know, comrudging on the couch, you know that

1193
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 5: didn't you know, fulfill the dreams? Kelly can attest he was,

1194
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 5: he had a new thing about him. He felt like

1195
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 5: a teenager again. He was doing new stuff. And he

1196
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 5: played that last night. That last show he played was

1197
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 5: like a two hour show, right. I mean, he just

1198
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:43,320
Speaker 5: and and you know I just wrote about just picturing

1199
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 5: him going, you know, on his way home, he called

1200
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 5: Kelly and said he had a great show, and he

1201
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 5: had a picture and he wanted her to fix it up,

1202
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 5: and she said, you look handsome, but I don't need

1203
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 5: to fix anything there, and he and it was beautiful,

1204
00:55:56,719 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 5: and he just loved you so much, Kelly, and and

1205
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:05,280
Speaker 5: he I just pictured him going to bed thinking about

1206
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 5: all of us, all the people that he loves, that

1207
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 5: he would see us again, and that the laughter didn't

1208
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 5: have time to die down and he left us. But

1209
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 5: I just, uh, that's the way, That's what I hope

1210
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 5: he felt when he fell asleep and didn't wake up.

1211
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 3: Well, if I could just share one thing, sorry, I

1212
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 3: just I love you John anyway. That really got me.

1213
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 3: That made me like start bawling. This is why I

1214
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 3: called you yesterday because there was one quote from it

1215
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 3: that you know, for people listening to this that it

1216
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 3: was such an incredible, like personal little exchange that just

1217
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 3: shows how well you knew Bob too. And it's just

1218
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 3: kind of explained this like all three of our relationship.

1219
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,799
Speaker 3: But you said, I knew from the start that she

1220
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 3: really loved Bob for the way we all did. She'd

1221
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 3: listened to him rattle on about himself for a bit

1222
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:06,319
Speaker 3: longer than I usually would. The first time she said

1223
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 3: to him, this isn't all about you, Bob, I knew

1224
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 3: she was the one.

1225
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:10,840
Speaker 2: He'd pout.

1226
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:12,959
Speaker 3: She'd kiss him, and in a sweet tone, she'd say,

1227
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 3: you know, I love you, honey as we hug in

1228
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 3: the driveway. Tell her you got ripped off. You didn't

1229
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 3: have him long enough. And you know, and I've said

1230
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 3: before that that's one of those things that it's so

1231
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 3: understandable why people think that, because you know, we'd only

1232
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 3: been we'd only had three and a half years of

1233
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 3: being married. But and I'm sure you feel this now too,

1234
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 3: that it's just there's so much of an overwhelming feeling

1235
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 3: of gratitude that we did have him at all, versus

1236
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 3: feeling we didn't have him longer.

1237
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 5: So that's true. We're all better off because of him,

1238
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 5: and you know, we have to really take his thing

1239
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 5: and just live each moment the most we can and

1240
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 5: be loving.

1241
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 1: And as you said, leave nothing unsaid. Maybe that's a

1242
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 1: good lesson from Bob. You know, tell people in your

1243
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 1: life regularly what they mean to you.

1244
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 4: Amen.

1245
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 5: And you both mean so much to me.

1246
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 4: Oh thanks John.

1247
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 1: By the way, when I instagram stalk you, you were beloved.

1248
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 1: I mean everyone loves you, John Stamos.

1249
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 5: What is that supposed to mean?

1250
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 4: You're very popular?

1251
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 1: Like when it was your birthday, all the notes and

1252
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: the comments. I was like, good lord, this guy is

1253
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 1: is very well loved. And I meant it as a compliment,

1254
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 1: not as a diss and well, no, I agregiate it.

1255
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 5: But yeah, okay, thank you. I mean, you know, but

1256
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 5: I think that's another reason to write a book. And

1257
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 5: I'm sure you felt this too. It's like, the book

1258
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 5: is not like an Instagram post and a blip here

1259
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 5: and a blip there, and here look what I'm doing here.

1260
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 5: You know, it's a deep, deep die. Right, But thank you, Katie.

1261
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 5: I'm gonna listen to you. I'm gonna start listen to

1262
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 5: your book tonight. Really, Okay, did you enjoy that the audio?

1263
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 5: That was my favorite part was the hardest, But I

1264
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 5: really loved doing the other.

1265
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 1: It was hard, honestly, and it was during the pandemic.

1266
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 1: So this makeshift studio I put together in a bedroom,

1267
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: I have like blankets. It was like a fort we

1268
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 1: build as a kid, with pillows and blankets and under

1269
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 1: you know, this huge.

1270
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 4: Mess of stuff.

1271
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 1: Because we didn't have a recording studio to do it

1272
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 1: in and it was exhausting. I have to say it

1273
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 1: was exhausting, but it was worth it because I think

1274
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 1: to have you narrating your own book, telling your own story,

1275
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 1: I can't imagine getting someone else to read your words.

1276
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 4: And by the way, you're a very good writer.

1277
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 5: John, Oh, thank you. Yeah. It was the hardest that

1278
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 5: they said, oh, you can get it done a five

1279
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 5: or six days. I took like thirty two days or something,

1280
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 5: because you would it would just start, first of all,

1281
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 5: your cold reading your life, and that's weird, and you

1282
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 5: could change things that didn't sound right, and it was

1283
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 5: very emotional. I would just go after a couple hours

1284
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 5: and be like, I gotta go too much.

1285
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, you got to pace yourself.

1286
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 5: I'm glad I did it, and I'm glad to talk

1287
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 5: to you guys today about this.

1288
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm excited to hear your audio as well.

1289
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 5: Well.

1290
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 1: Thank you for doing this, John Kelly, thank you for

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