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Speaker 1: The Charlie Kirk Show starts now.

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Speaker 2: Higher public safety crisis stems directly from the abject failures

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Speaker 2: of the city's local leadership. The radical left city Council adopted.

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Speaker 3: No cash bail.

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Speaker 2: By the way, every place in the country you have

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Speaker 2: no cash bail is a disaster. That's what started the

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Speaker 2: problem in New York. And they don't change it. They

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Speaker 2: don't want to change it. That's what started it in Chicago.

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Speaker 2: I mean, bad politicians started it. Bad leadership started it.

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Speaker 2: But that was the one thing that's central. No cash bail.

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Speaker 2: Somebody murders somebody and they're out, or no cash bail

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Speaker 2: before the day is out.

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Speaker 3: We're going to end that.

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Speaker 4: I will just point out that the head of the

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Speaker 4: DC Police union here's a direct quote, we completely agree

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Speaker 4: with the President that crime and the district of Columbia

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Speaker 4: is out of control and something needs to be done

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Speaker 4: with it. So it sounds like to me among the

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Speaker 4: rank and file, the president.

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Speaker 1: Has some support from the cops for doing this.

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Speaker 5: Today in Washington, you can walk forty to fifty sixty

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Speaker 5: blocks in Manhattan at two in the morning and feel.

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Speaker 6: Safe, and yet in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 5: I've got friends that worked in the Biden White House.

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Speaker 7: I have friends that work.

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Speaker 5: In the media that say they don't feel safe walking

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Speaker 5: three blocks in Washington, d C. Why can't Washington be fixed?

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Speaker 5: Despite what the crime numbers say, Washington, d C.

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Speaker 8: Has thirty four hundred police offices, They're undermanned. The National

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Speaker 8: Guard will provide a presence and sometimes that's all you

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Speaker 8: need to clear a block or clear a person's mind

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Speaker 8: that it's okay to walk that block.

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Speaker 9: The military presence in Washington, DC.

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Speaker 3: Is that the right way to fight time?

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Speaker 10: No, And I think we all know that right and

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Speaker 10: we all know what the President is doing is really

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Speaker 10: just spitting this right wing propaganda and using the beauty

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Speaker 10: and the bully pulpit of the highest office of the land.

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Speaker 3: But the reality is that DC's.

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Speaker 10: Violent crime is at a thirty year low, and quite frankly,

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Speaker 10: that's the case for cities around the country. I think

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Speaker 10: it's very notable that each and every one of the

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Speaker 10: cities called out by the President has a black mayor,

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Speaker 10: and most of those cities are seeing historic lows and

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Speaker 10: violent crimes.

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Speaker 9: It was a test case, and I think DC is

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Speaker 9: a test case as well for the President to say, well,

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Speaker 9: we can take over your city whenever we want, and

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Speaker 9: I'm the commander in chief, and.

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Speaker 1: I can use the troops whenever we want.

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Speaker 9: I think that that is an abuse of our troops,

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Speaker 9: and I think it's an overreach of presidential powers for

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Speaker 9: the president to literally take over law enforcement in a

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Speaker 9: city that has not requested the help.

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Speaker 11: The most violent moment in recent history in DC was

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Speaker 11: January sixth, and it was an attack on the United

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Speaker 11: States Capital by a lot of people who were doing

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Speaker 11: it in the name of Donald Trump. And it included

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Speaker 11: the people who were hurt, included members up lawn.

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Speaker 12: For at least, I'm happy to see that he acknowledges

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Speaker 12: is the power to activate the National Guard. That was

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Speaker 12: what he refused to do four and a half years

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Speaker 12: ago when the capital and his own Vice President of

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Speaker 12: Congress were under attack by the mob violence that he

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Speaker 12: unleashed against us, and he sat on his hands for

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Speaker 12: many hours and then later asserted he somehow didn't have

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Speaker 12: the authority to deploy the National Guard. That was a

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Speaker 12: real emergency. This is not a real emergency.

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Speaker 13: We all, and I think I speak for all Americans,

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Speaker 13: we don't or believe it's legal to use the American

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Speaker 13: military against American citizens on American soil.

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Speaker 1: But do you feel safe here? I feel safe in

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Speaker 1: the city. I'd live in a naghbor.

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Speaker 3: Obtas I'm not over my shoulder every day.

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Speaker 1: Well, maybe you.

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Speaker 6: Look over yourself. But I'll tell you something.

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Speaker 3: If people are afraid to come to DC, go to Disney.

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Speaker 6: World, get fat, eat French fise. I don't care.

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Speaker 2: If you're afraid, go ahead, leave your fears someplace else.

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Speaker 14: There is this disconnect, and I talk to the democrature.

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Speaker 15: I just say that, think that you know, the natural

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Speaker 1: Look at the statistics is sort of its own death.

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Speaker 13: Wi and it's very much Isn't this the exact same

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Speaker 13: problem that democaps had last year?

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Speaker 7: Look at the statistics. We promise you the.

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Speaker 13: Economy is great.

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Speaker 4: While people are going it doesn't feel great to me.

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Speaker 13: That feels like a lot of this conversation around time

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Speaker 13: to take an point, just asistants all day.

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Speaker 11: Long to say, hey, DC is safe for this year

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Speaker 11: than it was last year. But do people feel safe?

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Speaker 16: Bottom line?

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Speaker 11: If they don't, they.

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Speaker 10: May be more okay or something that would.

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Speaker 11: Otherwrit be considered it extraordinary.

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Speaker 6: This is what the American people voted for for.

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Speaker 1: This is what the common sense, clarity strength.

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Speaker 4: I hadn't heard that story from President from before, the

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Speaker 4: story he.

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Speaker 17: Told about his father that he told them, hey, son,

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Speaker 17: if you look at the front door of a restaurant

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Speaker 17: count on the fact that the kitchen.

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Speaker 1: Is too, and sat there thinking that's exactly right. True.

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Speaker 3: Every day is a battle for your mind, raging information

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Speaker 3: coming from every angle, but the will to the sieve,

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Speaker 3: fear not. You found the place for truth, the voice

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Speaker 3: of a generation that still has the will to believe

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Speaker 3: in the greatest country in the history of the world.

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Speaker 3: This is the Charlie Kirk Show. Fuck a lot, here

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Speaker 15: Okay, everybody, Radio stations across the country honored to be

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Speaker 15: We're gonna get straight to a guest. Here many different things,

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Speaker 15: and I love this idea of just doing things, cleaning

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Speaker 15: up our cities amongst many other topics that we are

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Speaker 15: going to cover. The guest is Arren McIntyre. He's a

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Speaker 15: serious thinker, Blaze TV host and author of The Total State. Arren,

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Speaker 15: great to see you. Welcome to the Charlie Kirkshaw. Thanks

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Speaker 15: for having Charlie so arin you have. Why don't we

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Speaker 15: take this before we get into some of the stories

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Speaker 15: of the day. It's your first time on the program,

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Speaker 15: I believe, introduce yourself.

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Speaker 1: Who are you, what do you believe and what do

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Speaker 1: you do.

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Speaker 6: I'm Aaron McIntyre.

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Speaker 16: I've got the Oran McIntyre Show over at Blaze TV.

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Speaker 16: I'm somebody who spent a lot of time just as

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Speaker 16: an average guy.

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Speaker 6: I was a high school teacher.

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Speaker 16: I did a little bit of reporting for a local newspaper,

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Speaker 16: and I started studying a lot more about political theory

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Speaker 16: once I saw what happened during COVID, all the insane

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Speaker 16: violations of our rights. Because I needed to understand what

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Speaker 16: was actually going on, I started making videos and talking

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Speaker 6: To what I'm doing today.

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Speaker 15: So speaking of kind of the structure in the form

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Speaker 15: of government, let's dive into some of the news that

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Speaker 15: President Donald Trump has announced that there's going to be

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Speaker 15: a federal takeover of Washington, d C. We have long

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Speaker 15: said that crime is a choice, that rampant crime and

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Speaker 15: the kind of degeneration of America's greatest cities has been

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Speaker 15: a conscious decision by our political leaders. Has there been

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Speaker 15: a comparable example in history, or even in modern Western

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Speaker 15: times of a great power deciding to no longer be great?

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Speaker 15: And your thoughts on the federalization of Washington, d C.

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Speaker 15: As President Donald Trump uses federal force to clean up

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Speaker 16: I think it's a constant feature of declining societies, especially

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Speaker 16: declining empires, that they lose the will to make the

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Speaker 16: hard choices. That decisions become increasingly difficult because everyone wants

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Speaker 16: to avoid accountability and responsibility. Laws get put into place

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Speaker 16: just to protect the criminals, because ultimately it's fear of

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Speaker 16: the process that people worry about, not the fear of

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Speaker 16: the actual crime. The people who are being victimized are

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Speaker 16: put below the others. Their rights are less important than

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Speaker 16: say no, law and order is what matters. The safety

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Speaker 16: of the American people is what matters. And we're not

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Speaker 16: and everybody else who's trying to put all of these

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Speaker 6: We're going to start ignoring those. We have the authority

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Speaker 6: to do so.

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Speaker 16: The Constitution grants Congress the ultimate legislative authority over Washington.

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Speaker 16: DC was never supposed to be its own city with

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Speaker 16: its own political interests, and it certainly wasn't supposed to

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Speaker 16: increase crime by putting these type of soft.

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Speaker 6: On crime policies in place.

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Speaker 16: I think a lot of people have been waiting for

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Speaker 15: Of course, the press is up in arms over all

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Speaker 15: of it. And look, it's not that crime is hard

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Speaker 15: we have decided that if some groups will go to

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Speaker 15: having real laws. Yeah, sure, that's what's reflected. Yeah, please

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Speaker 16: I'm sorry, Yeah, we see that reflected all over our

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Speaker 16: we see people choosing not to offend certain groups, to

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Speaker 16: for instance, that certain groups such as black Americans, often

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Speaker 16: commit higher crimes, but it is unfashionable to admit this,

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Speaker 16: and noticing that more of these people would go to

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Speaker 16: means that we have to pull back on the actual

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Speaker 16: crime enforcement. And I believe you've talked to Steve Sailor

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Speaker 16: about this kind of impact that we see over again

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Speaker 16: from kind of the perceptions our society has about how

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Speaker 16: once again, like you said, we know how to solve

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Speaker 16: this problem. It's not that crime is a mystery. We

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Speaker 16: know what works, but we simply choose not to enforce it.

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Speaker 16: Because ultimately, crime is a policy choice. You can choose

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Speaker 16: between actually enforcing law and keeping people safe. And having

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Speaker 16: a free and equal society in which you understand that

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Speaker 16: ultimately some groups who commit more crimes may end up

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Speaker 16: in jail more often. Or you can play this game

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Speaker 16: of obvious skating with actually going on being soft on

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Speaker 16: these policies, ultimately hurting the very people who are contributing

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Speaker 16: people who ultimately probably aren't voting, aren't contributing, are being

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Speaker 15: The Mike Cernovich had a phenomenal tweet last evening where

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Speaker 15: MSNBC is up in arms and they're saying, oh, this

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Speaker 1: You know the crime is coming down.

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Speaker 15: Understand it's down from record highs post twenty twenty, but

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Speaker 6: Why are we allowing this crime when we know how

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Speaker 15: It can be a template for the rest of the nation.

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back.

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Speaker 18: Welcome back to this Real America's Voice news break. I'm

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Speaker 18: Terrence Bads. We're keeping an eye on the White House

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Speaker 18: where the latest press briefing is set to get underway

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Speaker 19: We're hearing that one of the key.

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Speaker 18: DC is now under federal control, and that National Guard

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Speaker 18: Those are among the many issues that we're expecting to

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Speaker 19: Live the moment she takes the podium.

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Speaker 18: In the meantime, Day two of the California trials, seeking

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Speaker 17: At your direction as well, Sir, there are other units

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Speaker 17: we are prepared to bring in. Other National guard units,

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Speaker 17: other specialized units. They will be strong, they will be tough,

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Speaker 18: And the crackdown in the nation's capital was met with

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Speaker 15: It's very interesting. MSNBC is trying their best to make

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Speaker 15: that Donald Trump holds the cards. See Muriel Bowser, She's

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Speaker 15: playing this one a little bit smarter than most. She

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Speaker 15: knows that open defiance and battling with Trump will only

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Speaker 15: further seed her control of the city. You could also

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Speaker 15: probably make an argument that she's sick of seeing these poor, young,

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Speaker 15: make an argument that she actually wants to see Washington

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Speaker 15: d C cleaned up. She knows not to antagonize Trump.

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Speaker 15: I know nothing about Muriel Bowser. I think she's a

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Speaker 15: failed mayor of Washington, DC, And I think that's all

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Speaker 15: a racial issue. They wanted to go racial politics to

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Speaker 14: One of the things that we have seen over and

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Speaker 14: Miller saying it's like Baghdad and Ethiopia.

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Speaker 6: They seem to.

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Speaker 14: Hold their harshest criticism sometimes for cities that are majority

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Speaker 6: Do you see that in What do you think that means?

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Speaker 6: I think that.

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Speaker 20: I have been dealing kind of with this issue for

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Speaker 20: the campaign trail. But now we're talking about governing and

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Speaker 20: my job is to focus on making sure our city

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Speaker 20: is running, is running well, and people enjoy a great

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Speaker 20: to MPs, FBI ATF who've always worked cooperatively with us,

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Speaker 15: Interestingly, I didn't know that I know Eugene Daniels in

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Speaker 15: the fact we've run into each other a couple of times.

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Speaker 15: He's actually always been very kind to me. But if

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Speaker 15: didn't take the bait. Eugene Daniels is not twenty twenty anymore.

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Speaker 15: The moment's over, man. You just got to ask the

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Speaker 6: You could tell.

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Speaker 15: The whole wind up with Eugene Daniels there is, well,

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Speaker 15: can't you tell that he's only going after black and

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Speaker 15: Donald Trump does not look at black or brown, Asian

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Speaker 15: much blood is pouring through the streets of Washington, DC,

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Speaker 15: trust her as far as I could throw her. But

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Speaker 15: it's very interesting that she didn't want to force this

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Speaker 15: All of this is just guessing. But you saw in

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Speaker 15: now she's like, well, I don't think it's legal to

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Speaker 15: that's where you're wrong, Mayor Bowser. Might I point you

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Speaker 15: to the Insurrection Act that was invoked by George H. W.

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Speaker 15: demand it under the correct legal parameters. And when you

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Speaker 1: You got to take a step back and say.

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Speaker 15: We are a failed We are in a failed direction

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Speaker 15: if we're allowing this to continue Play Cup three twenty seven.

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Speaker 1: Muriel Bowser backpedaling a little bit.

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Speaker 20: We don't and I think I speak for all Americans.

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Speaker 20: We don't believe or believe it's legal to use the

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Speaker 1: Look, she's just hedging all over the place.

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Speaker 15: No one is talking about marines firing upon American citizens.

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Speaker 15: What we're talking about is a show of force, of

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Speaker 15: military support to work with police to stop this unacceptable

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Speaker 15: crime spree in not just our nation cities. We'll get

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Speaker 1: And I mentioned this yesterday.

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Speaker 15: One of the things I love most about President Trump

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Speaker 15: is his soft spot for symbols. Symbols matter a lot.

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Speaker 15: So reason why I wear a crucifix. I wear a

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Speaker 15: crucifix because this symbol represents my salvation. Symbols are really

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Speaker 15: important to society and the left, you understand they have

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Speaker 15: been intentional at tearing down our symbols, tearing down our statues,

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Speaker 15: torching our churches, the border by the way, is a

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Speaker 15: When it was open, and now that it's closed, it's

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Speaker 15: the continuity of a shared American experience. And President Trump, rightly,

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Speaker 15: beautiful state visits the head of Jordan, the head of Croatia,

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Speaker 15: and they have to drive through Washington, d C.

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Speaker 1: And they see what we see.

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Speaker 15: The symbol of a target getting looted in Minneapolis was

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Speaker 15: nationwide overnight. If we can crush crime in d C

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Speaker 15: and make the city clean, beautiful, and safe, that will

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Speaker 15: matter nationwide. And of course here is the spin from

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Speaker 15: Dana Bash. I want to I want I want to

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Speaker 7: Dana.

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Speaker 15: Let's play cut three thirty and then I'm going to

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Speaker 15: have a challenge for Dana Bash live here on air.

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Speaker 1: Play cut three thirty.

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Speaker 11: The most violent moment in recent history in DC was

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Speaker 11: January sixth, and it was an attack on the United

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Speaker 11: States capital by a lot of people who were doing

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Speaker 11: it in the name of Donald Trump, and it included

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Speaker 11: the people who were hurt, included members of lawn Purse.

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Speaker 15: Okay, So, first of all, the only person to die

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Speaker 15: and most importantly, Dana Bash. If you want to engage

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Speaker 15: in the trivialization of DC crime, as I said prior,

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Speaker 15: Dana Bash, go.

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Speaker 1: And put a GoPro on by the way.

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Speaker 15: You want to go be popular, You want to go

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Speaker 15: be well known, you want to be have notoriety. Go

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Speaker 15: walk the streets of Washington, d C at night unaccompanied,

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Speaker 15: Dana Bash.

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Speaker 1: If it's so smart.

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Speaker 15: So if you're so smart and it's so safe, go

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Speaker 15: walk the Navy Yard at eleven pm. Their new Democrat

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Speaker 15: talking point, of course, is violent crime in DC is

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Speaker 15: down twenty six percent, a new thirty year low. But

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Speaker 15: they've been lying about the numbers. In fact, three twenty

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Speaker 15: three DC police commander has been suspended accused of changing

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Speaker 15: crime statistics. Stephen Miller says, quote crime stats and big

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Speaker 15: blue cities are fake. The real rates of crime, chaos,

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Speaker 15: and dysfunction are orders of magnitude higher of course they are.

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Speaker 15: Everyone who lives in these areas know this. Their entire

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Speaker 15: program lot, They program their entire lives around it. Democrats

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Speaker 15: are trying to unravel civilization. President Trump will save it again.

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Speaker 15: All the crime stats are. We see it, we know it,

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Speaker 15: we could feel it. But let's test it. Let's use

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Speaker 15: the scientific method. Let's see whether or not our assumption

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Speaker 15: is correct cause and effect. Can you walk the streets

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Speaker 15: of Washington, d C? Unaccompanied? Joe Scarborough comes out this

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Speaker 15: morning and even says that people that live in DC

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Speaker 15: are afraid to walk just a couple of blocks at night.

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Speaker 15: So if d C is so safe, why don't you

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Speaker 15: feel safe walking the streets of Washington, d C?

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Speaker 1: Why is that? Exactly?

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Speaker 15: Because DC is not safe, and Chicago is not safe,

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Speaker 15: and New York is increasingly unsafe, and Los Angeles is

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Speaker 15: not safe, and San Francisco is not safe. People are

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Speaker 15: leaving these cities.

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Speaker 1: And again, I.

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Speaker 15: Don't need some lecture of some PowerPoint presentation of how

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Speaker 15: the books are cooked of whatever crime statistics. We don't

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Speaker 15: need that because we're gonna get the real stats once

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Speaker 15: the FBI gathers all the data. What is important, though,

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Speaker 15: is whether or not. You can walk the streets, and

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Speaker 15: in Washington, d C you could just get jumped. This

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Speaker 15: is Joe Scarborough making our argument for US play Cup

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Speaker 15: three thirty two.

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Speaker 5: You can walk forty to fifty sixty blocks in Manhattan

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Speaker 5: at two in the morning and feel safe, and yet

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Speaker 5: in Washington, d C. I've got friends that work in

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Speaker 5: the Biden White House. I friends that work in the

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Speaker 5: media that say they don't feel safe walking three blocks

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Speaker 5: in Washington, d C. Why can't Washington be fixed despite

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Speaker 5: what the crime numbers say, because people aren't feeling it.

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Speaker 8: You know, often it's the perception of being safe or

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Speaker 8: unsafe that affects cities, and I think that's what's happened

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Speaker 8: in Washington, d C. Washington, d C has thirty four

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Speaker 6: They're undermanned.

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Speaker 8: The National Guard will provide a presence and sometimes that's

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Speaker 8: all you need to clear a block or clear a

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Speaker 7: So we'll see how it goes.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, everybody.

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Speaker 15: Email us is Always Freedom at Charlie Kirk dot com

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Speaker 15: Podcast page. I want to tell you guys right now,

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Speaker 15: let's actually play a piece of tape here, let's play

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Speaker 15: cut twelve.

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Speaker 1: Women want to be able, they want to be taken

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Speaker 1: care of.

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Speaker 15: I know this is like super provocative, like deep down

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Speaker 15: they want a man to be able to provide for

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Speaker 15: them financially.

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Speaker 6: Should a man pay on the first thing?

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Speaker 1: Like what kind of a beta male is splitting the check?

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Speaker 1: But like who are you?

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Speaker 15: It's like, I'm just sorry, it's what I would go

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Speaker 15: to debt and let's scrub dishes before a woman. I

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Speaker 15: split the check quite a lot, So I'm sorry. I

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Speaker 15: don't need to offend you. You guys are great.

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Speaker 1: That's incomprehensible to me. I think that's to me.

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Speaker 3: I thought it was a great financial decision.

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Speaker 6: Just okay, So.

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Speaker 15: From your prism, I totally get that, and like you

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Speaker 15: have really good financial discipline. I'm sorry, Like I would

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Speaker 15: be so humiliated if.

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Speaker 1: I I mean, I find that.

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Speaker 15: To be like the greatest beta man, Like humility saves money. No, No,

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Speaker 15: to like the idea that a woman that you're trying

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Speaker 15: to court now if it's like.

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Speaker 1: A friend or as a first date, you don't even

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Speaker 1: know if it is worth I'm sorry.

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Speaker 15: I by the way, that money you save is not

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Speaker 15: worth the honor that you compromise.

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Speaker 6: See it is such a big deal. Welcome back to everybody.

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Speaker 15: Email us as always freedom at Charliekirk dot com and

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Speaker 15: subscribe to our podcast that is The Charlie Kirk Show

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Speaker 15: podcast page. Some breaking news new intelligence. A Democrat Intel

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Speaker 15: Committee staffer turned whistleblower has turned has informed the FBI

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Speaker 15: that Adam Schiff personally authorized leaking classified Russian information to

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Speaker 15: undermine Donald Trump. Quote Shift stated the group would leak

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Speaker 15: classified information which was derogatory to the President the United States,

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Speaker 15: and Shift stated information would be used to indict President

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Speaker 15: Donald Trump. Now, out of all of the creatures, by

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Speaker 15: the way, Cash Ptel just declassified this a well done

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Speaker 15: cash battel. Out of all of the creatures within Washington,

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Speaker 15: d C, Adam Shift might be one of the worst.

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Speaker 15: Adam Shiff famously went on television and I'm paraphrasing, so

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Speaker 15: I don't want to be off the mark, but he

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Speaker 15: said that there is credible evidence that Donald Trump colluded

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Speaker 15: with the Kremlin to get elected use emphasis on direct

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Speaker 15: collusion with the Kremlin. Now we are learning more and

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Speaker 15: more that Adam Shift knew it was a lie and

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Speaker 15: he peddled it anyway you could maybe cut some of

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Speaker 15: these guys a little slack. At one point, Oh, they

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Speaker 15: might have thought there was rush interference. But the moment

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Speaker 15: that you know something is a lie and you continue

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Speaker 15: to push it, you are bordering on the big T word.

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Speaker 15: You are then using a political opportunity to undermine the

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Speaker 15: elected sovereign. Schiff was on the House Intel Committee, which

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Speaker 15: means he knew this was all bogus. The House report

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Speaker 15: from twenty twenty that we just got had intelligence way

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Speaker 15: back in twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 1: He knew the proof was weak.

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Speaker 15: This was a soft, slow motion coup to overwhelm the

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Speaker 15: United States of America. So Adam Schiff knew that the

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Speaker 15: proof was weak. Schiff called the staff meeting, told everyone

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Speaker 15: he was going to leak classified intelligence to harm Trump.

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Speaker 15: Someone pointed out that's treason. Other staffer said not to

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Speaker 15: worry about it because they won't get caught. That's according

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Speaker 15: to a Democrat whistleblower. Let me speak for the audience here, though,

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Speaker 15: if I may talk personally for a second, I'm getting

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Speaker 15: a little exhausted doing these segments, and it's fine shifted this.

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Speaker 15: We linked that Russia Gate conspiracy. Brennan Clapper, great, Fine,

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Speaker 15: It's time for action, Cash, Betel, Dan, Bongino, Pambondi. These

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Speaker 15: are good people. I think they agree it's time for action.

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Speaker 15: We really are getting to a moment where all these

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Speaker 15: stories are helpful, All these stories are interesting, all these

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Speaker 15: stories get headlines. But I'm not here to mislead you,

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Speaker 15: the audience, honestly, And I feel as if we keep

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Speaker 15: on covering these stories and we could talk forever and

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Speaker 15: ever and ever, but I don't want to mislead those

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Speaker 15: of you right now that.

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Speaker 1: Want what's best. You could talk.

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Speaker 15: Forever, but people will be very angry if you can

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Speaker 15: talk endless about it, but never indict anyone. I'm gonna

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Speaker 15: yield to Bondi and Bongino and Cash and JD said

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Speaker 15: something similar.

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Speaker 1: Who's the best? JD's the greatest.

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Speaker 6: JD's not.

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Speaker 15: The ball's not in his court in the sense he's

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Speaker 15: the Vice present United States. But in some ways I

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Speaker 15: wonder was it the best decision to leak this? Shouldn't

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Speaker 15: we have just been indicted and then leak it. What

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Speaker 15: I'm getting at is here is that it's nice to Okay, great,

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Speaker 15: great for ratings, Yay, Charlie Kirk Show who guy enough.

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Speaker 15: Not leak, by the way, release, just to be clear,

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Speaker 15: not leak release. But at this moment of time, indict

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Speaker 15: in indictments matter infinitely more than press conferences, declassifications and

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Speaker 15: social media trending, because here's what's happening.

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Speaker 1: Let me just say this.

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Speaker 15: For the my administration, you know, buddies that are watching,

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Speaker 15: and for some of the audience, the more that we

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Speaker 15: see these documents, if we do not get high profile indictments,

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Speaker 15: it'll be worse than you ignoring it. Just saying all

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Speaker 15: of these leaks are very helpful. It's nice for our show.

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Speaker 15: It boosts ratings, people love watching it.

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Speaker 1: I don't care about that. I want what's right.

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Speaker 15: But let me just say, the more that we see

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Speaker 15: these leaks, the more that we see this stuff come out,

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Speaker 15: there is an expectation that is now brewing amongst the audience.

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Speaker 1: And where do you get anger? In life?

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Speaker 15: Anger comes when expectations and reality are misaligned.

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Speaker 1: It's a great rule for life.

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Speaker 15: So when you have rising expectations and reality does not

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Speaker 15: meet those expectations, you're going to have angry people. So

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Speaker 15: I hope, and it is my great prayer that this

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Speaker 15: is leading towards massive indictments.

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Speaker 1: His boy, do we need it? Second hour coming up?

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Speaker 18: He Welcome back to this Real America's Voice News break.

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Speaker 18: I'm Terrence Bates. So far, the Trump presidency has been

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Speaker 18: good for the US economy. His teriffts are in effect

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Speaker 18: and the country is taking in billions.

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Speaker 19: Of dollars in revenue.

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Speaker 18: The stock market is also continuing to perform at a

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Speaker 18: pretty high level. Still, my next guest says that gold

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Speaker 18: is your best hedge against whatever might happen in the future.

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Speaker 19: Philip Patrick from the Birch Gold Group. Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 21: Thanks for having me, Terrence.

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Speaker 18: What is your assessment of the first six months of

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Speaker 18: President Trump's presidency as it relates to the economy, And

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Speaker 18: I guess it's at seven now.

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Speaker 21: Look, I think as far as it could be, it's

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Speaker 21: been a success. As you mentioned, markets have held fairly firm.

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Speaker 21: Tariffs are generating revenue over one hundred billion dollars this year,

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Speaker 21: so farge think it could be as much as three

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Speaker 21: hundred billion. This was money that didn't exist twelve months ago, right,

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Speaker 21: So things are moving quite well. Inflation hasn't spiked, It's

879
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Speaker 21: come down a little bit two point seven percent as

880
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Speaker 21: of yesterday, and that was the big concern with tariff.

881
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Speaker 21: So so far things are ticking along nicely. We still

882
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Speaker 21: have massive issues debt service, interest rates, so there's a

883
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Speaker 21: lot on the horizon. There's certainly cracks in the foundation.

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Speaker 21: But I think Trump's doing as good as he can,

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Speaker 21: even better than i'd expected, and I'd expected good things

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Speaker 21: from President Trump.

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Speaker 18: Of course, you mentioned you mentioned interest rates, which of

888
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Speaker 18: course brings us to the Federal Reserve. President Trump nominated

889
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Speaker 18: Stephen Mihran to be the Federal Reserve Board, to the

890
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Speaker 18: Federal Reserve Board to be the newest board member. Talk

891
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Speaker 18: about the significance of that.

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Speaker 21: I think it's significant.

893
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Speaker 19: Mirror is a break the mold.

894
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Speaker 21: Pick right, he's a former Trump Treasury official. He's been

895
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Speaker 21: one of the feds tough as critics over the last

896
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Speaker 21: four or five years. He's argued that the fed's easy

897
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Speaker 21: money culture let inflation get out of hand and the shred.

898
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Speaker 21: The FED ultimately has to shrink its balance sheet now

899
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Speaker 21: and start micromanaging credit markets. So what we're seeing, I

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Speaker 21: think is a challenge to the Fed's decades long habit

901
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Speaker 21: of erring on the side of easy money, and it

902
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Speaker 21: could mean more policy clashes within the board. Trump, I think,

903
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Speaker 21: is sending a message with that pick reform the Fed,

904
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Speaker 21: don't just tweak Great, So it's positive. We'll see how

905
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Speaker 21: it pounds out, and we'll see if ultimately he gets

906
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Speaker 21: the selection for federers of government.

907
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Speaker 18: As we discuss all of these things, it also brings

908
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Speaker 18: us back to gold. And as I said in the intro,

909
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 18: in our many conversations, you can see you like to

910
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Speaker 18: contend that gold is the one major hedge against whatever

911
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 18: the economy has in store.

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Speaker 19: It tends to be pretty solid.

913
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Speaker 21: Oh listen, Look, we're talking about how well the economy

914
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Speaker 21: has been doing under Trump, and it has. Gold's done

915
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Speaker 21: twenty five percent this year alone. It's up almost forty

916
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Speaker 21: percent in the last twelve months.

917
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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 21: Under the previous Trump administration, gold grew fifty percent. It

919
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Speaker 21: basically matched the now Jones growth and that was during

920
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Speaker 21: a period of economic boom without you know, the level

921
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 21: of issues that we have today that Trump inherited from

922
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Speaker 21: the Biden administration. On top of that, gold is being

923
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Speaker 21: driven by the most important fundamental, which is all time

924
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Speaker 21: high demands. Twenty two, twenty three, twenty four. The first

925
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Speaker 21: six months of this year, Central banks have set records

926
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Speaker 21: for gold buying, so it isn't slowing down, it's speeding up,

927
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Speaker 21: and I expect gold's growth to continue. Goldman Sachs say

928
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Speaker 21: forty five hundred for the yellow metal this time next year,

929
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Speaker 21: so things are moving.

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Speaker 18: So I've been doing a little bit of research and

931
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Speaker 18: I have to admit I don't fully understand this. It

932
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Speaker 18: appears as some sort of Swiss gold tariff, and there's

933
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Speaker 18: some confusion about it, particularly last week. Kate, can you

934
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Speaker 18: help me out here, you're the experts on coming straight

935
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Speaker 18: to you.

936
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Speaker 21: Of course, there was a ton of confusion, so US

937
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Speaker 21: customs and border production so told the Swiss refiner that

938
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Speaker 21: one kilo bars and one hundred ounce gold bars were

939
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Speaker 21: subject to the same thirty nine percent blanket tariffs that

940
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Speaker 21: the rest of the Swiss imports had. This was a

941
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Speaker 21: huge deal in Switzerland. They refine anywhere from a third

942
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Speaker 21: to half of the gold Bullyan global supply. This year alone,

943
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Speaker 21: we've imported four hundred and seventy six metric tons of

944
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Speaker 21: gold from Switzerland. Furthermore, we were told previously that Bullyan

945
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Speaker 21: had been specifically exempted from the Liberation Day tariffs, So

946
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Speaker 21: just on the back of this news, gold spiked nine

947
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Speaker 21: percent in one day. Now, Trump came out very quickly

948
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Speaker 21: on Monday yesterday and clarified this. He said, look, there's

949
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Speaker 21: no tariffs on gold, gold exempt, and so of the

950
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Speaker 21: markets have settled out a little bit. It did coincide, though,

951
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Speaker 21: gold spike with US national topic thirty seven trillion dollars.

952
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Speaker 1: So wow, maybe.

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Speaker 19: Thanks Phillow Patrick. Always good to talk to you, my friend.

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Speaker 15: Okay, everyone, today, for hour two, I have a very

955
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Speaker 15: interesting episode for you. I talk to Father John Strickland,

956
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Speaker 15: an Orthodox priest. We have a lot to talk about.

957
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Speaker 15: It's a really in depth interview and I think you'll

958
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Speaker 15: enjoy and remember, the full interview will be always available

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Speaker 15: members dot Charliekirk dot com sign up today to watch

960
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Speaker 15: completely ad free and let me know what you think

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Speaker 15: Freedom at Charliekirk dot com. Okay, everybody, welcome to this

962
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Speaker 15: episode of The Charlie Kirk Show. So excited to be

963
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Speaker 15: sitting down with Father John Strickland from Saint Elizabeth Orthodox

964
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Speaker 15: Church in Poulsbo, Washington.

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Speaker 7: Is that right pretty close? Yeah, Polispo.

966
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Speaker 15: So the reason I wanted to have you on the program. Father,

967
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Speaker 15: You are from the Eastern Orthodox Church.

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Speaker 1: Is that correct?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 15: And I know fair amount about Catholicism. I know fair

971
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Speaker 15: amount about Prostinism, but admittedly very little about Orthodox. And

972
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Speaker 15: it's getting a lot of play online, as you probably know.

973
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Speaker 15: And I know a couple people that are serving Orthodox

974
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Speaker 15: growing up, or were a lot for you in Orthodox,

975
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Speaker 15: but I don't know much about the theology or the history.

976
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Speaker 15: So I told Blake, I said, Blake, find me someone

977
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Speaker 15: that can come on the show and we get to

978
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Speaker 15: have a fun discussion. You can educate me and the audience.

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Speaker 15: So first, great to meet you and welcome to the program.

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Speaker 7: Nice to be here, Charlie, thank you for inviting me.

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Speaker 15: So first, kind of your story. You're a parish priest,

982
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Speaker 15: you grew up in southern California and a Protestant background.

983
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Speaker 15: Why did you convert to Orthodoxy?

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Speaker 7: Well, I started studying history. They sometimes say, I was

985
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Speaker 7: raised Protestant, and I was Protestant. They say sometimes when

986
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Speaker 7: a Protestant studies history, he becomes Roman Catholic. In my case,

987
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Speaker 7: I became Orthodox. History goes further back. In that case.

988
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Speaker 7: I studied history at college and started studying Russian history,

989
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Speaker 7: and the more I learned after living in Russia for

990
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Speaker 7: about two years in the nineteen nineties, which was an

991
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Speaker 7: amazing time. Communism has had collapsed, Putin had not come yet.

992
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Speaker 7: There was this real kind of fluid character to to

993
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Speaker 7: life in Russia, very positive toward the West. Everywhere I went,

994
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Speaker 7: I was kind of greeted warmly, and people were really

995
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Speaker 7: interested in learning about America and the West at that time.

996
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Speaker 7: After the collapse of Communism, I started attending an Orthodox

997
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Speaker 7: parish there and just fell in love with it and

998
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Speaker 7: realized God made me for this, and I decided to

999
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Speaker 7: become Orthodox there.

1000
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Speaker 15: So what so you were in you were in Russia

1001
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Speaker 15: when you converted. Yeah, I want to have a whole

1002
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Speaker 15: separate conversation about Russia. We're told in the during the

1003
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Speaker 15: Soviet Union it was mostly atheistic, but it had an

1004
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Speaker 15: Orthodox corp. What what percentage of Russia's Orthodox versus more secular.

1005
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Speaker 7: Well, today, most people would I did unify as Orthodox.

1006
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Speaker 7: If they were to, you know, consider themselves a believer

1007
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 7: in a higher power, they'd say they're Orthodox. Of course,

1008
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Speaker 7: Russia or the Soviet Union more broadly, before the collapse

1009
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Speaker 7: of Communism was a very diverse place. There's millions of Muslims,

1010
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 7: for instance, many Roman Catholics, Protestants, you know, there were

1011
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 7: there were many people. But Orthodox he is the preeminent,

1012
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 7: historically pre eminent religion there in the Soviet Union. Of course,

1013
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 7: that was attacked and they blew up churches and shot

1014
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 7: priests and persecuted believers and things like that, but they

1015
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 7: could never eradicate from their culture the strong sense that

1016
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Speaker 7: that Orthodox Christianity, Christianity generally is is a necessary part

1017
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:46,319
Speaker 7: of society, its foundations. There's a couple of funny little

1018
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 7: anecdotes about that. One one joke is that Soviet school

1019
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 7: students were taught that there there is no God uh,

1020
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 7: and that the Orthodox Church is the only true church.

1021
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 7: So they got this sense that, like, you know, there

1022
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 7: is an Orthodox presence that's really important for our culture,

1023
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 7: but we don't believe in God.

1024
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:05,360
Speaker 1: It's a cultural institution.

1025
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly.

1026
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 15: So let's go through then kind of a fast class,

1027
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Speaker 15: if you will, a spark notes, and we'll go deeper

1028
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:18,839
Speaker 15: into Orthodoxy. So what what would just explain Orthodox theology

1029
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 15: similarities with Protestantism differences and also with Catholicism.

1030
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 7: Okay, well, I'll do what I can. I'll do what

1031
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 7: I can.

1032
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 1: I'll interject where I sure, yeah, please do.

1033
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Speaker 7: And I want to start by saying, you know, there's

1034
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:33,840
Speaker 7: a lot in common between the Orthodox and the Roman

1035
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 7: Catholics and the Protestants, and I want to recognize that

1036
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 7: and even kind of emphasize that that there's a lot

1037
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 7: in common. I mean Roman Catholics, Orthodox and Protestants. I'll

1038
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 7: believe that Jesus Christ is both God and man. They

1039
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:51,839
Speaker 7: believe that there's one God in three persons, father, Son,

1040
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 7: and Holy Spirit. They believe that God came into this

1041
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 7: world to save the world from sin, and that the

1042
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 7: experience of salvation is a beautiful that lasts forever into eternity.

1043
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 7: They all have some very core important beliefs in common.

1044
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 7: The Orthodox see themselves believe strongly that they hold the

1045
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 7: tradition that the apostles received from Jesus Christ at Pentecost.

1046
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 7: They hold that tradition this is a key word in Orthodoxy, tradition.

1047
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 7: They hold that tradition or faith intact, and it's never

1048
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 7: going to be changed and they will never allow it

1049
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 7: to be changed.

1050
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 15: What about the Apostles, can you say that again?

1051
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 1: They?

1052
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 15: Yeah, received the Holy Spirit. Yeah, so we believe that

1053
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 15: to it of course.

1054
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, of course Pentecost chapter two of Acts, all Christians

1055
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Speaker 7: realize that at that moment the Holy Spirit.

1056
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Speaker 1: The day's post passover right.

1057
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 7: Exactly exactly Jesus has ascended into heaven after forty days

1058
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 7: after his resurrection or apasca, and then ten days later,

1059
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 7: the Holy Spirit is sent and it fills the church,

1060
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 7: it makes the church what she is. And so until

1061
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 7: the end of time, Orthodox believe the faith is complete.

1062
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 7: There's nothing more needed, nothing to be added, and there

1063
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 7: could never be anything taken away from that faith. And

1064
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 7: so Orthodox today, two thousand years later, believe very strongly

1065
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 7: that they hold to a tradition, the tradition, the holy

1066
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 7: tradition that was delivered to the apostles at Pentecost, and

1067
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 7: that that change will never change. Acts two forty two,

1068
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Speaker 7: for instance, really important for Orthodox says that they the

1069
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Speaker 7: apostles and those who converted on that day, three thousand

1070
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 7: of them continued steadfastly in the apostles doctrine, in the fellowship,

1071
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Speaker 7: in the breaking of the bread, and in the prayers,

1072
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 7: and so they continued steadfastly. That's an important statement, like

1073
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Speaker 7: they continue, they didn't stop. There wasn't a moment when

1074
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Speaker 7: they no longer the church, no longer had that deposit

1075
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Speaker 7: of the faith, and they did so steadfastly. Unchangeably is

1076
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Speaker 7: another word and adjective for steadfastly is unchangeably. And so

1077
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Speaker 7: today I think one of the things that's really remarkable

1078
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Speaker 7: about about the Orthodox Church in America where I, you know,

1079
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Speaker 7: where I do my ministry, is that this authentic witness

1080
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Speaker 7: to the faith of the Apostles, an unchangeable faith, is

1081
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Speaker 7: really you know, it's really capturing people's attention. And our

1082
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Speaker 7: churches are being filled, flooded in fact, with converts. I

1083
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Speaker 7: mean my church in very rural kind of small church

1084
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Speaker 7: in Paul'swell, Washington, Saint Elizabeth Orthodox Church. I think we've

1085
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Speaker 7: had like I think maybe we've probably grown by fifty percent.

1086
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Speaker 7: We've lost a lot of people moving out of the

1087
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Speaker 7: area because so expensive to live, their families have moved away,

1088
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 7: but we've grown by fifty percent, lots of young people especially,

1089
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 7: which is remarkable that today young people, I mean who

1090
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Speaker 7: would have thought a generation ago, are seeking not just

1091
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 7: faith in general, but the authentic Christian faith that stretches back, unchanged,

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Speaker 7: all the way back to the Apostles, with all of

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Speaker 7: its doctrines about marriage, about sexuality, about who God is,

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Speaker 7: and about fasting, and about communion, about the sacraments, about

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Speaker 7: the worship, about the whole thing. It's a way of life.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for that.

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Speaker 15: So I have several questions what your canon a scripture is.

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Speaker 15: It Would it be the same as the Protestant Bible

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Speaker 15: sixty six books or with the apocryphal text as the Catholics.

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Speaker 19: Would have it.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, So our canon for the New Testament, okay, is

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Speaker 7: the same, It's the same twenty seven books. Yeah, same,

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Speaker 7: But our canon for the Old Testament is called the Septuagen.

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Speaker 7: It's a Greek word, yes, And it originated about two

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Speaker 7: centuries before Christ. And it was a translation of the

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Speaker 7: Hebrew Scriptures into Greek, which was the you know, the

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Speaker 7: the lingua franca of the ancient world. And by the

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Speaker 7: time of the Apostles it was being widely used, the

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Speaker 7: Septuagen Greek translation, and it had more books than later

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Speaker 7: Masoritic text, which is a later edition of the Jewish

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Speaker 7: scriptures in Hebrew. In fact, this septuagen is really older

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Speaker 7: in some ways. It can measure it this way. Then

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Speaker 7: that version that was later appropriated and used by Protestants

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Speaker 7: and during the Reformation. So that septuogen is interesting because

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Speaker 7: it's what's being quoted by the apostles in the New Testament.

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Speaker 7: Like an Orthodox Christian doesn't follow a doctrine of sola

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Speaker 7: scriptura that there's just a scripture, but follows a tradition

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Speaker 7: in which there's a living there's a living that the

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Speaker 7: Holy Spirit is a living presence in the Church, guiding

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Speaker 7: the Church and her interpretation of the scriptures. And that

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Speaker 7: begins with the person of Jesus Christ. And so when

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Speaker 7: the apostles wrote about the person of Jesus Christ in

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Speaker 7: the Gospels, they quoted the septuagen in the Greek that's

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Speaker 7: what they quoted. And so the Orthodox Church has always

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Speaker 7: used that version of the Old Testament.

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Speaker 1: So the.

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Speaker 15: Would it include like first and second Maccabee's books such

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Speaker 15: as that, Yeah, yeah, so similar.

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Speaker 7: To the Catholic Yeah, that's right, very similar.

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Speaker 1: So then.

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Speaker 15: To some more theological questions, and again I'm learning a lot,

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Speaker 15: so thank you for this. Obviously believe in the inherrancy

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Speaker 15: to the entire interview. Obviously, believe in the inerrant set

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Speaker 15: of scripture, so it's there's nothing in errant but the

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Speaker 15: But it's not just sola scriptor there's you're also with

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Speaker 15: you have tradition. You believe in the virgin birth?

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Speaker 7: Correct?

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Speaker 15: Do you believe that Mary was sinless? The immaculate conception?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, there's several questions there. Yeah, so in errancy of scripture,

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Speaker 7: that's a term used more modern in more modern context

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Speaker 7: like a solo scripture of Protestant context that the Orthodox

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Speaker 7: typically haven't employed that kind of language. We do believe

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Speaker 7: that the scripture is the most important core of our tradition,

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Speaker 7: but there's more to it than just the scriptures. For instance,

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Speaker 7: if you think about scripture itself, let's talk about that

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Speaker 7: twenty seven book New Testament. Nowhere in the New Testament

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Speaker 7: is there a table of contents. There's no table of contents.

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Speaker 7: I mean, of course modern editions will have a table contents,

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Speaker 7: but the scriptures themselves were never written. The New Testament

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Speaker 7: was never written with a table of contents. As a

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Speaker 7: matter of fact, all the apostles Matthew Mark, who can

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Speaker 7: pull Matthew Mark, and John who wrote to the Gospels

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Speaker 7: are anonymous in those gospels. We only know their names

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Speaker 7: from tradition. And for a whole generation Christians were being

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Speaker 7: saved before any of those were written down. It's quite,

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Speaker 7: you know, remarkable if you think about it.

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Speaker 15: And there were a lot of creeds that also predated

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Speaker 15: the writing of the scriptures.

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Speaker 7: I don't know if there were creeds. Some of those

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Speaker 7: kind of find their way kind of obliquely into the scriptures.

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Speaker 7: But the one big creed, of course for the Orthodox

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Speaker 7: is the Nicene Creed, which of course dates the fourth century.

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Speaker 7: But back to that idea of scripture, you know, so

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Speaker 7: people are being saved, the Gospel is being taught before

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Speaker 7: any of it's written down in what we call the

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Speaker 7: New Testament, and then it took three centuries before that

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Speaker 7: coalesced into twenty seven books. And we don't have twenty

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Speaker 7: six books. We don't have twenty eight books in the

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Speaker 7: New Testament. Because there were bishops on hand being guided

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Speaker 7: by that tradition with a faith that the Holy Spirit

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Speaker 7: is responsible for guiding that tradition, guiding them in all truth,

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Speaker 7: as John's Gospel spoke, that could identify what's the authentic

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Speaker 7: and what's spurious. Gospel of Thomas.

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Speaker 1: Throw it out, gone gone, Barnabas, throw them out.

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Speaker 7: We can't trust that. Yeah, we can't trust those, but

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Speaker 7: we can trust these. But that took that took three

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Speaker 7: centuries to work out, and when it was worked out,

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Speaker 7: it was worked out within the living tradition of the Church.

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Speaker 7: And Paul himself speaks about this tradition in Insech Thessalonians.

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Speaker 7: He talks about how the people he's teaching are to

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Speaker 7: hold fast to those traditions plural. The Greek word here

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Speaker 7: is paradosis. It's not teachings, it's traditions. That's the only word.

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Speaker 7: Thing that paradosis means in Greek is that which is

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Speaker 7: handed on in the form of tradition. Hold fast to

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Speaker 7: those traditions I've given you both in writing like this epistle,

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Speaker 7: but also by word of mouth, where it's not written down.

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Speaker 7: It's just part of the life of the church. So

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Speaker 7: that's a really big deal for us Orthodox and helps

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Speaker 7: distinguishes us from you know, from from from from Protestants,

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Speaker 7: some of them anyway.

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Speaker 15: So now to marry. What is the orthodox he view

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Speaker 15: on Maryology?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so mary ology is always for the Orthodox Christology,

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Speaker 7: Mary is always understood in relationship to Jesus Christ. For instance,

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Speaker 7: we have a very rich tradition of iconography of icons

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Speaker 7: of Mary. In those icons, you almost never find There

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Speaker 7: are a few exceptions always that prove the rule, but

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Speaker 7: you almost never find in an Orthodox church an icon

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Speaker 7: of Mary by herself. She's always holding Christ, always holding Christ.

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Speaker 7: And the earliest icon we have, which dates back, very

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Speaker 7: very far back into the past, has her gesturing toward Christ.

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Speaker 7: It's called the icon of she who points the way,

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Speaker 7: and she's gesturing as if to say, you know, you

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Speaker 7: look at the icon and you see this dominant figure

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Speaker 7: of Mary, She's the biggest one. But then the more

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Speaker 7: you look at it, the more you realize she's saying,

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Speaker 7: don't look at me, look at him. And you see

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Speaker 7: that she's veiled, you know, her beauty, her magnificence is muted,

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Speaker 7: and Christ in her arms is wearing radiant clothing. He

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Speaker 7: looks like a little adult because he's really God. So

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Speaker 7: we don't just paint a little baby like Renaissance style

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Speaker 7: baby Jesus. We paint an image of an infant who

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Speaker 7: nevertheless is powerful, strong, and in fact the creator of

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Speaker 7: the universe. And it's Judge. So Mary is a big

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Speaker 7: important part. But she's always pointing.

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Speaker 1: Us toward Christ. I believe she was sinless.

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Speaker 7: Yes. The church typically teaches that Mary somehow lived out

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Speaker 7: her life with such faith in Christ, such hope in

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Speaker 7: his in his eternal salvation, that she did not commit

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Speaker 7: any significant sins, any serious sins. Now there's a difference.

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Speaker 7: This is I don't know, I don't there's a there

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Speaker 7: are varying opinions, like when we orthodox talk about what

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Speaker 7: we believe, we don't just open the Bible and read

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Speaker 7: and we don't just think ourselves or read philosophy. We

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Speaker 7: look to what the Church is handed on to us.

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Speaker 7: In some so called fathers of the Church, usually they

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Speaker 7: were bishops from past centuries, wrote that Mary might have,

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Speaker 7: you know, committed small sins like the time she leaves

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Speaker 7: Jesus behind in the temple. Sure, like why wasn't she

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Speaker 7: paying close attention?

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Speaker 1: In Orthodoxy is they're mortal versus whatever.

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Speaker 7: There's a range of sins.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, hierarchy continuum.

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Speaker 22: Sure yeah.

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Speaker 18: Welcome back to this Real America's Voice news break. I'm

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Speaker 18: Terrence Bads. We're keeping an eye on the White House

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Speaker 18: where the latest press briefing is set to get under

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Speaker 18: live look at the press briefing room. You can see

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Speaker 18: away from White House Press Secretary Caroline Levitt taking the podium,

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Speaker 18: or at least scheduled to take the podium. We're hearing

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Speaker 18: that one of the key issues that's going to be

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Speaker 18: discussed today, of course, is the Trumpet ministry nation's takeover

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Speaker 18: be stationed there in the nation's capital. Also, we're expecting

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Speaker 18: meeting on Friday with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

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Speaker 19: Those are among the many issues that.

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Speaker 18: We're expecting to hear about or hear White House Press

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Speaker 18: Secretary of Carolina Levit address will of course take you

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Speaker 18: here live.

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Speaker 19: The moment she takes the podium.

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Speaker 18: In the meantime, day two of the California trials seeking

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Speaker 18: to clarify whether the Trump administration violated the law by

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Speaker 18: deploying the National Guard in Los Angeles earlier this summer

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Speaker 18: is underway as we speak. US law generally prohibits the

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Speaker 18: president from using the military to police domestic affairs. The trial,

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Speaker 18: which is expected to wrap up tomorrow, could set precedent though,

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Speaker 18: for how the Commander in chief can order future National

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Speaker 18: Guard deployment. It's in California or in other states. And

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Speaker 18: as I mentioned a little bit earlier, the President is

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Speaker 18: moving forward with deploying the National Guard to help secure

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Speaker 18: Washington d c amid the rash of crime that has

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Speaker 18: hit the nation's capital. Forty seven is also federalizing DC's

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Speaker 18: Metropolitan Police Department.

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Speaker 17: How your direction as well, sir, There are other units

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Speaker 17: we are prepared to bring in, other National Guard units,

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Speaker 17: other specialized units. They will be strong, they will be tough,

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Speaker 17: and they will stand with their law enforcement partners.

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Speaker 18: And the crackdown in the nation's capital was met with

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Speaker 18: protests in the streets on Monday. Demonstrators held anti Trump

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Speaker 18: signs and chanted Trump must go now. Even the city's mayor,

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Speaker 18: Muriel Bowser, took to the Court of Public Opinion on

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Speaker 18: Monday trying to save face, arguing that violent crime in

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Speaker 18: the city is down. Murie Bowser set to meet with

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Speaker 18: Attorney General Pam Bondi to discuss next steps. Though that's

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Speaker 18: a quick check of your headlines, author.

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Speaker 3: Of the Maga Doctrine and president of Turning Point USA

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Speaker 3: hears Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 7: So in that case, we could say that she was

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Speaker 7: sinful like every other human being. As a matter of fact,

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Speaker 7: in Orthodoxy, Mary is seen as the great example to

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Speaker 7: us rather than the great exception like so like Roman

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Speaker 7: Catholicism has a teaching about her called the Immaculate conception.

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Speaker 15: So she was there's churches that literally say, you know,

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Speaker 15: the church.

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Speaker 7: Exactly is dogma. Yeah, yes, we don't hold.

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Speaker 1: That, weect We reject that.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, we reject it because it means that God intervened

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Speaker 7: against her will without her saying amen and and and

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Speaker 7: working out her salvation along in cooperation with God, and

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Speaker 7: he made it happen that her humanity was different than

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Speaker 7: ours somehow.

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Speaker 15: Do you believe she was assumed into heaven upon.

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Speaker 7: Yes, that is an Orthodox teaching, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Which which also is a Catholic dogma.

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Speaker 7: That's that's great, although there are differences there too. So

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Speaker 7: in our Orthodox teaching inherited from way way back back

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Speaker 7: in the first millennium. She died first, we call it

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Speaker 7: the dormition of the Virgin Mary and A. I have

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Speaker 7: one in my back wall of our church that shows

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Speaker 7: her lying on her deathbed and then above it Christ

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Speaker 7: holding her in his arms in heaven. We believe she

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Speaker 7: truly died, she had to die, she's human like all

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Speaker 7: of us, She's not an exception. And then her body

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Speaker 7: was miraculously raised into heaven.

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Speaker 1: Yea, so the thank you for that. That's very helpful.

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Speaker 15: So now to you obviously believe in the the biblical

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Speaker 15: account of Jesus' life, sinless, virgin birth, perfect life without sin.

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Speaker 15: As I say, sinless, died an unjust death, death unsuffering,

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Speaker 15: rose from the dead after three days. So basically then

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Speaker 15: I see in Creed. You know we're in total harmony

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Speaker 15: and agreement. Are there any exceptions about Christology that you

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Speaker 15: would say are different between Protestantism and Orthodoxy or is

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Speaker 15: that probably?

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Speaker 1: I think it's a different the most agreement.

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Speaker 7: I think we have a lot of agreement. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 7: I think when it comes to I mean, I think

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Speaker 7: what we might find is that there are emphases that

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Speaker 7: are different. So what happens is in the history of

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Speaker 7: Christianity in about halfway through that history to our present day,

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Speaker 7: one thousand years into the history, or from our point

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Speaker 7: of view, one thousand years back, there's something called the

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Speaker 7: Great Schism, usually given the date ten fifty four. It's

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Speaker 7: just a convenience state. And what happens is there are

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Speaker 7: two churches after that date. There's the Orthodox Church that you,

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Speaker 7: as a member I believe originated in the Apostles, as

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Speaker 7: I've described, and then there's a Roman Catholic Church. And

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Speaker 7: then from the Roman Catholic Church five hundred years later

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Speaker 7: come the Protestant Churches, which break away in the Reformation.

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Speaker 7: From an Orthodox point of view, the Roman Catholic Church

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Speaker 7: and the Protestant Churches are actually quite similar. You know,

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Speaker 7: growing up in America, Orthodoxy is the best kept religious

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Speaker 7: secret here, so we barely everyone want to have you

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Speaker 7: on the show exactly, Yeah, because I know so little.

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Speaker 1: I know everything on Catholicism.

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Speaker 7: Sure, I mean, who learns about Orthodoxy growing up in America.

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Speaker 7: It's either Roman Catholicism or Protestantism, though the options, but

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Speaker 7: from an Orthodox point of view, they are actually quite

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Speaker 7: two sides of the same coin. And so what we

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Speaker 7: find to your point about our common beliefs in Jesus,

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Speaker 7: as there are articulating in the gospels, is that there's

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Speaker 7: an emphasis in the West. If we talked about this

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Speaker 7: as an East West difference, East being Orthodox and West

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Speaker 7: being Roman Catholic slash Protestant, there's an emphasis in the

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Speaker 7: West after the Great Schism, that that that emphasizes or overemphasizes,

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Speaker 7: from our point of view, the almost exclusive role played

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Speaker 7: by Jesus on the cross, that his crucifixion exclusively is

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Speaker 7: the only thing that that has any real significance in

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Speaker 7: the salvation of the human race. And that furthermore, on

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Speaker 7: the cross Jesus paid a penalty to a wrathful, angry father,

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Speaker 7: father and son, of course, and that that Jesus was

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Speaker 7: punished in a way that the Father would would otherwise

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Speaker 7: unleash upon the human race in his wrath against our sin.

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Speaker 7: And we're all sinners, that's for sure.

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Speaker 15: So substitutionary atonement.

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Speaker 7: There you go. That's the key word. That's the key phrase.

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Speaker 15: That would be the work. Yeah, technical academic answer.

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Speaker 7: That's right, very good, And so that's not foreign to Orthodoxy,

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Speaker 7: but it's not the emphasis. And here we're talking about

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Speaker 7: differences in emphasis rather than in content. So we believe

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Speaker 7: in a substitutionary kind of role that Jesus plays on

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Speaker 7: the cross, but we don't look at it that way.

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Speaker 7: And the tragedy as we see it is the West,

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Speaker 7: beginning with the Roman Catholic Church in the Middle in

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Speaker 7: what's called the Middle Ages, I don't use that term typically,

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Speaker 7: and then later in the Protestant Reformation that's carried on

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Speaker 7: largely under the influence of Augustinianism. We don't probably want

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Speaker 7: to get into his anthropology as understanding what the human

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Speaker 7: being is, but it was a very negative one, imputing

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Speaker 7: the guilt to the whole human race for the fall

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Speaker 7: of Adam and Eve. And then John Calvin picked up

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Speaker 7: on that and spoke about the total depravity of the

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Speaker 7: human race. And so in the in light of Jesus

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Speaker 7: in the Gospels, the total depravity of the human race,

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Speaker 7: the the you know, the really wretched condition of the

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Speaker 7: human being in his sin is is taken back to

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Speaker 7: the Gospels and the role of Jesus on the cross

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Speaker 7: in in early Christianity for a thousand years before the

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Speaker 7: Great schism and certainly still alive in Orthodoxy today. There's

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Speaker 7: much more of a balance there, emphasizing not only the

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Speaker 7: resurrection of Jesus and his ascension to heaven where humanity

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Speaker 7: is now on the throne of God united to Christ,

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Speaker 7: but the incarnation and the healing of the human being

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Speaker 7: who's whose sin is like a disease or a sickness

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Speaker 7: that needs the healing of baptism and eucharistic communion and

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Speaker 7: a regular ascetic life of communion and love in the Church.

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Speaker 7: And so our view of Christ in the Gospels then

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Speaker 7: is a broad view that sees, you know, a whole

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Speaker 7: picture of the healing of the human race through the

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Speaker 7: person of Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 15: That's it triggers more questions than answers, but it answers

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Speaker 15: a lot.

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Speaker 1: So the we agree on all what I.

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Speaker 15: Would say, almost all closed hand doctrine I see in

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Speaker 15: Careed Creed really completes a lot of that. So you

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Speaker 15: mentioned something a eucharistic communion. Does the Orthodox Church hold

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Speaker 15: to transubstantiation technically no, we just everyone knows transtantiation is

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Speaker 15: the bread becoming literal flesh upon taking the community. Please continue.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, So actually we should probably clarify that. So technically speaking,

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Speaker 7: transubstantiation is this formal doctrine that was developed in what's

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Speaker 7: called Scholasticism after the Great Schism I spoke of in

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Speaker 7: the Roman Catholic Church that uses categories of logic taken

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Speaker 7: from Aristotle that emphasize that there's a trans a transubstancy,

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Speaker 7: a change of substance that takes place.

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Speaker 1: A metamorphosis.

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Speaker 7: Right, well, you might call it that, yeah, and so

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Speaker 7: we have not accepted that logical, rational explanation of things.

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Speaker 7: But to your point, and this really needs to be clarified,

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Speaker 7: we do believe, as Orthodox and always have believed, that

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Speaker 7: that really is the body and blood of Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 7: We really do believe that it's it's still bread and

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Speaker 7: it's still wine somehow, but it's also truly the body

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Speaker 7: and blood of Jesus. And he makes that clear. He says,

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Speaker 7: take eat this is my body. Do this, all of you,

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Speaker 7: This is my blood. John chapter six. He says, unless

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Speaker 7: you eat the flesh of the Sun of Man and

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Speaker 7: drink his blood, you have no life in you. Or

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Speaker 7: if you drink is he eat his flesh and drink

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Speaker 7: his blood, I will abide in him, and he will

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Speaker 7: abide in me. And many disciples leave at that point,

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Speaker 7: we're told in John six because that was a hard

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Speaker 7: saying and they couldn't deal with it. It sounded scary to them.

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Speaker 7: And Jesus didn't run after them and say no, no, no,

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Speaker 7: I'm just speaking symbolically. He didn't say no, no, you

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Speaker 7: didn't you misunderstood me. He lets him go because he's

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Speaker 7: really true. He's we interpret it. He's really saying this

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Speaker 7: truly is my body and blood. And that's why when

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Speaker 7: we commune eucharistically, as you asked earlier, we are participating

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Speaker 7: in Christ. We are members of His body.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 7: Paul in one Corinthians chapter ten likens the eucharistic body

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Speaker 7: of Christ with the ecclesial church body of Christ as

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Speaker 7: being one one kind of reality.

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Speaker 15: And so do you, in your services walk us through

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Speaker 15: a typical Orthodoxy service? Do you take communion every single Sunday?

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Speaker 15: What is the liturgical the normative liturgical process calendar look like?

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Speaker 7: Well, the calendar is really wonderful. The Church early on

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Speaker 7: transformed the world. I mean, it would be wonderful to

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Speaker 7: talk about culture and the cosmos and how the two

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Speaker 7: are related. We probably don't have time today, but what

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Speaker 7: happened after Pentecost is the Church sacramentally began to transform

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Speaker 7: the cosmos by approp creating different categories of cosmic or

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Speaker 7: world experience, like time and space. So space became centered

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Speaker 7: on temples and churches that were oriented facing eastward. That's

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Speaker 7: what orientation means. If you're facing eastward as a Christian,

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Speaker 7: you're facing the Kingdom of Heaven, You're facing the art

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Speaker 7: garden of Eden. So like, for instance, in the Book

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Speaker 7: of Genesis, chapter two, I think it is we're told

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Speaker 7: that Paradise was planted in the east orient in Latin orients,

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Speaker 7: and so Jesus says the Son of Man will come

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Speaker 7: again in glory as lightning flashes from the east. So

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Speaker 7: the early Church always had Christians worshiping toward the east

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Speaker 7: to symbolize that they are facing Paradise. That's the purpose

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Speaker 7: of being a Christian is to enter into Paradise. Muslims, interestingly,

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Speaker 7: if they worship, you know where they worship, they face,

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Speaker 7: They face a place on earth, Mecca exactly. So if

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Speaker 7: you're in America, like we are in Phoenix, Arizona right now,

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Speaker 7: if you're a Muslim you face Mecca, you face the east.

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Speaker 7: But if you're in Indonesia, where there are a lot of

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Speaker 7: Muslims facing west, you're facing a place on earth. But

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Speaker 7: whether they be in the West coast of the United

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Speaker 7: States or in Japan, Christians face east, and that is

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Speaker 7: a symbolic statement that they don't put their hope in

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Speaker 7: this world. They put their hope in the Kingdom of Heaven.

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Speaker 7: So that's a transformation of space the way temple church

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Speaker 7: architecture was designed. We could also talk about time, and

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Speaker 7: that's to your point about liturgy. Time is transformed. Paul says,

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Speaker 7: at one point redeemed the time for the days or evil.

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Speaker 7: Christians are called to recover the time that was otherwise

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Speaker 7: wasted or misspent or killed. We have that expression in

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Speaker 7: our English language. At a seminary, professor always told me

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Speaker 7: never use that expression killing time, because God made that

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Speaker 7: time and the time is there for our salvation in

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Speaker 7: life in God. And so that church took the calendar

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Speaker 7: and she reorganized it. I mean, this is already happening

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Speaker 7: in the Old Testament with a seven day week, right,

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Speaker 7: So the seventh day is the Sabbath day, the day

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Speaker 7: of rest. Most European languages still have that in the

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Speaker 7: built into them, like sabba doough. I think in Spanish

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Speaker 7: you can hear sababa sabado thank you. I'm terrible.

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Speaker 15: I don't know Spanish, but okay, Saturday I think is

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Speaker 15: from Saturn.

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Speaker 1: So we kind of messed that up.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean the English. Yeah, like Sunday Sunday instead

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Speaker 7: of the day of the Resurrection exactly, so the whole

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01:25:23,760 --> 01:25:29,040
Speaker 7: weekly calendar got reorganized. Orthodox keep that calendar. So, for instance,

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Speaker 7: on Fridays we fast. We fast from dairy products and meat.

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01:25:33,240 --> 01:25:35,320
Speaker 7: Orthodox Christians do, of course. I mean everyone's going to

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Speaker 7: do it a little different. Some people don't keep that fast,

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Speaker 7: but that is the standard expectation that every Saturday, every

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Speaker 7: Friday we fast because of course Jesus died on the

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Speaker 7: cross that day, and so we just we participate in

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Speaker 7: that event by depriving ourselves of the comfort and pleasure

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Speaker 7: of eating what we want, same thing on Wednesday, when

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Speaker 7: Judas betrayed Jesus. We fast on Wednesdays and Fridays. That,

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Speaker 7: by the way, is a Apostolic practice. There's a book,

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Speaker 7: the d do K that was published or written about

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Speaker 7: one hundred A little bit later, maybe a couple of

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Speaker 7: years later, and it says we Christians fast on Wednesdays

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Speaker 7: and Fridays. It's like right there from the beginning.

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Speaker 7: So we have this litergification of time and space, and

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Speaker 7: it's all kind of bringing the whole cosmos back into

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Speaker 7: its correct order as it was in the Garden of Eden,

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Speaker 7: and now the church sacramentally.

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Speaker 1: Can attempt to sanctification.

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Speaker 7: Exactly the sanctification of the cosmos or world. And so

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Speaker 7: our worship. You asked about what.

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Speaker 15: We do walk us through a normal Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I show up at your church.

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Speaker 7: M Yeah. We have what's called the Divine Liturgy. The

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Speaker 7: Divine Liturgy, that's the service that culminates in eucharistic communion,

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Speaker 7: which we spoke of earlier. In the West, it's known

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Speaker 7: in the Roman Catholic case as the Mass, and then

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Speaker 7: various Protestant churches, some of the more mainline Protestant churches,

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Speaker 7: like the Episcopal Church from which I came, for instance,

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Speaker 7: I was once in Episcopalian Lutherans, they will borrow from

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Speaker 7: the Mass quite a bit and be very familiar to

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01:28:11,479 --> 01:28:15,800
Speaker 7: to a Lutheran Orpiscopalian. So it's something that was composed

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Speaker 7: and organized over a thousand years ago. The divine liturgy.

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Speaker 7: We do not worship in a way that appeals to

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Speaker 7: our own kind of you might say temporal or contemporary tastes.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back.

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Speaker 15: Here's more with John Strickland. If you have any questions

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Speaker 15: about this interview, please email me Freedom at Charliekirk dot com.

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Speaker 7: So we don't have like bands, We don't have guitars

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Speaker 7: playing in a.

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Speaker 1: Drums, smoke smoke smoke machines.

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Speaker 7: Smoke machine. We don't have a coffee counter out in

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01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:56,280
Speaker 7: the lobby and and cup holders in our season.

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Speaker 15: Is it rights acents and it's yeah, yeah, you stand

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Speaker 15: the entire service?

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Speaker 1: Is that right?

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Speaker 7: That's normative? Yeah. Again, we have benches at our church.

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Speaker 7: Many churches even have you use Yeah, if of course

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Speaker 7: you should sit down if you need to, but if

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Speaker 7: you can. In other words, I get the President of

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Speaker 7: the United States walking in this room right now, would

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Speaker 7: we sit here and just say hi? I mean, of

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Speaker 7: course we stand out.

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Speaker 1: It's such a good point.

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Speaker 19: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So how long is your service?

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Speaker 7: So in our church is about two hours long? Because

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Speaker 7: my sermons are too long. Wow, So that they will

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01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:25,760
Speaker 7: see in other churches they will be about an hour

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Speaker 7: and a half to hour forty five.

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Speaker 1: They will stand for a couple hours, a couple hours.

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Speaker 7: You get used to it. I remember when I was

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Speaker 7: in Russia starting to attend an Orthodox church there. I

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Speaker 7: remember standing and thinking, let's wrap this up. My legs

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01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:40,760
Speaker 7: are killing me. But after a while you just get

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01:29:40,840 --> 01:29:41,280
Speaker 7: used to it.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 7: It's like the fasting. You know, it sounds like I

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01:29:43,720 --> 01:29:45,439
Speaker 7: can't do that, but then you did start doing it.

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Speaker 15: So what is what is the liturgy? Start with some music? Yeah,

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Speaker 15: so instrumentation is allowed none.

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01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:55,240
Speaker 7: Zero zero zero instrumentation. It's all the voice.

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Speaker 19: You see.

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Speaker 7: The idea here is deification theosis. The Orthodox Church believes

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01:29:59,880 --> 01:30:04,040
Speaker 7: that the incarnation changed everything. When God became human in

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01:30:04,160 --> 01:30:09,200
Speaker 7: Jesus Christ, the human being was joined to divinity. And

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Speaker 7: now the human being becomes the instrument. The human being

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01:30:12,640 --> 01:30:15,639
Speaker 7: becomes the source of all praise and all glorification of God.

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Speaker 7: And so it's the human voice alone which is allowed

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Speaker 7: in an Orthodox service. It's also called a cappellah.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, yes, And so I'm sure you learn very

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01:30:25,200 --> 01:30:27,439
Speaker 15: quickly who has the booming voice and who does not,

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Speaker 15: So so you have vocal vocal singing throughout and so

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Speaker 15: you said sermon. That's in the Catholicism, it's called the homily.

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Speaker 15: I don't know if that's similar or use the word homily.

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Speaker 7: Actually they mean the same.

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Speaker 15: But they're very short usually, and there's also, as you know,

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Speaker 15: the iron law of Roman Catholicism.

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Speaker 1: You can't go more than an hour. I'm kidding.

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Speaker 15: It's like people get very mad, but so walk so

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Speaker 15: to kind of go through the sequencing or an order

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Speaker 15: of such service.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, so it's so first of all, the Orthodox

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Speaker 7: liturgy is like someone calculated this once.

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Speaker 1: It's like ninety.

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Speaker 7: Percent maybe eighty maybe ninety percent scripture. Like so that's

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Speaker 7: really interesting. I think from a Protestant point of view,

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01:31:08,760 --> 01:31:10,200
Speaker 7: it's amazing because often the were the.

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Speaker 1: Reading of scripture.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, reading or paraphrasing of scripture. So for instance, we

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Speaker 7: sing certain psalms, for instance, we see the beatitudes from

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Speaker 7: the Gospel of Matthew Beautiful. We seeing other elements of scripture.

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Speaker 7: But even that which is not literally scripture, we we

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Speaker 7: allude to scripture. You know, Paul tells us to pray

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Speaker 7: for the uh, the authorities or Peter and and and

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01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:33,920
Speaker 7: pray for the authorities. We pray for the president of

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Speaker 7: their country.

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Speaker 1: That says, to pray for your leaders by name.

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Speaker 7: And thank you. You got it. Yeah, So we pray for

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Speaker 7: this country. It's president, all civil authorities, and the armed

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Speaker 7: forces everywhere. That's a that's a phrase from our litanies.

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Speaker 7: We pray for our bishops. We pray pray for you know,

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01:31:48,520 --> 01:31:51,680
Speaker 7: people are suffering and in prison and hard labor and

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Speaker 7: and and all sorts of needs and things like this.

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Speaker 7: So we have litanies that list lots of petitions to

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Speaker 7: God for our prayers in addition to the scripture. But

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Speaker 7: even those litanies are you know, are are living out

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Speaker 7: or alluding to the scriptures. Prayers said by the priest

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01:32:08,600 --> 01:32:13,400
Speaker 7: are full of scriptural illusions, full of them all over

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Speaker 7: the place. So it's really a lot of scripture. But

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Speaker 7: it starts off as you asked about the order in

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Speaker 7: two hours. It starts off with singing of saying a

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Speaker 7: great litany. It starts off interesting before that, it actually

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01:32:29,120 --> 01:32:31,040
Speaker 7: quotes one of the psalms, it is time for the

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Speaker 7: Lord to act, and we actually say that before the

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Speaker 7: liturgy begins. Like it's not like in our church starts

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Speaker 7: at ten. It's not like, oh, it's ten o'clock, it's

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01:32:38,439 --> 01:32:41,240
Speaker 7: time to start the liturgy. No, it's time for God

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Speaker 7: to come from heaven and fill us by the Holy

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Speaker 7: Spirit with his presence on earth, on the cosmos. And

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Speaker 7: so it's time for the Lord to act. Is how

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Speaker 7: we start the liturgy. And then yeah, litanies, psalms, other

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01:32:53,720 --> 01:32:58,080
Speaker 7: scripturally based hymns culminates in the first half of the

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01:32:58,120 --> 01:33:01,280
Speaker 7: liturgy with the reading of the Gospel. And then after

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Speaker 7: that is done, the priest gives in most cases the

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01:33:04,040 --> 01:33:08,559
Speaker 7: homily or sermon doesn't matter, same word really, and he

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01:33:08,600 --> 01:33:10,960
Speaker 7: will he will teach, so he will teach based on

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01:33:10,960 --> 01:33:15,760
Speaker 7: the scripture. Highly unusual and certainly nothing that I've ever

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Speaker 7: seen in Orthodox Church is for the priests to, for instance,

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Speaker 7: like talk about a film he just saw, I mean,

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Speaker 7: if it's totally relevant to the Gospel for the day.

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Speaker 7: But unusual, highly unusual. He wouldn't just talk about spiritual

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Speaker 7: kind of psychological, moral, kind of you know, kind of

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Speaker 7: like inspirational stuff. He would hit the Gospel. He would

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Speaker 7: if it's a saint's day, like if it's making me Christmas,

1726
01:33:38,080 --> 01:33:40,200
Speaker 7: he might talk about of course the gospels about the

1727
01:33:40,640 --> 01:33:44,760
Speaker 7: birth of Christ. Politics have no place in our in

1728
01:33:44,840 --> 01:33:47,879
Speaker 7: our in our in our homilies, our teaching at the liturgy,

1729
01:33:48,200 --> 01:33:50,599
Speaker 7: because this is the Kingdom of Heaven, this is the

1730
01:33:50,600 --> 01:33:54,000
Speaker 7: eternal Kingdom of Heaven coming into this non eternal world

1731
01:33:54,080 --> 01:33:57,560
Speaker 7: and transforming the world through a metamorphosis the words you

1732
01:33:57,640 --> 01:33:58,920
Speaker 7: used earlier, metamorpha.

1733
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Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, so the so then then you do the Eucharist.

1734
01:34:02,400 --> 01:34:04,880
Speaker 7: Yeah. The second half is focused on the Eucharist. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we'll be back with more tomorrow. God bless

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Speaker 15: Mm hmmm.