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Speaker 2: it's Joe Aurico in the house, and we had some
Speaker 2: breaking news just before the show covered, so we're gonna
Speaker 2: hit that as well. But Joe, what's up?
Speaker 1: I'm doing well? Man. It's good because these shows were
Speaker 1: kind of thinking about what are we going to talk
Speaker 1: with today, what are gonna be the hot topics, and
Speaker 1: we got a beautiful one right before we started going
Speaker 1: on today, so should be fun to talk Roman Anthony.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one of those things too. We did the Prospect
Speaker 2: with the Welsh segment, and I just always feel like
Speaker 2: when there are when there's big prospects, because I obviously
Speaker 2: don't want to retread information every week, super important not
Speaker 2: to do that. But when there are just in your
Speaker 2: face players that everyone is just like not patiently waiting
Speaker 2: for dying to come up, I feel like we have
Speaker 2: to mention. I have to have some mention of it.
Speaker 2: And I think there's only two players that really truly
Speaker 2: qualify in that range. One is Bubba Chandler, who, you know,
Speaker 2: God knows if if the moon aligns correctly at some point,
Speaker 2: you know he will get called up. The other is
Speaker 2: Roman Anthony. So we kind of did at the very
Speaker 2: top of that segment like hey, here's your top three.
Speaker 2: These are the no brainers. If they come up, you
Speaker 2: just pick them up. And then we went into like
Speaker 2: some deeper prospects that you know, one guy might actually
Speaker 2: be one of the best pitchers in baseball who just
Speaker 2: got moved up a triple A. So go and check
Speaker 2: it out on the YouTube. It was un leading off,
Speaker 2: but it'll also be on the shorts. We have like
Speaker 2: a short form video on Fantasy Pro's YouTube channel YouTube
Speaker 2: dot com. Slash Fantasy pros mL BE don't want you
Speaker 2: to miss any of it, but we did kind of
Speaker 2: do a quick ish gloss through of it and with it,
Speaker 2: and I actually didn't see this, So career kick is
Speaker 2: giving me some information that I'm gonna need to actually
Speaker 2: fix today as well. Is will your Brady apparently is
Speaker 2: going to the IEL, which I did not see, and
Speaker 2: I think I picked him for the home run contest.
Speaker 2: But Roman Anthony as mentioned on the show, Hey, he
Speaker 2: could come up anytime soon. You have to roster him.
Speaker 2: And then like three hours after leading off airs, bam,
Speaker 2: Roman Anthony is officially getting called up. And it looks
Speaker 2: like Willier is kind of the piece. Can you look
Speaker 2: or I mean, I guess I could look too if
Speaker 2: that Willier news is official, because I didn't even see that.
Speaker 2: That does make sense though, because there was no like
Speaker 2: there's no corresponding move. Yeah, I do see it right here.
Speaker 2: Willier is headed to the IL with an issue with
Speaker 2: his side. Roman's coming up. He's going to play tonight
Speaker 2: as we're recording this batting fifth, what's your level of
Speaker 2: aggression for yourself when you look a guy like Roman
Speaker 2: Anthony knowing that you know cag leone just came up.
Speaker 2: I want you to think about it in a NFBC
Speaker 2: sense of course, so everyone's gonna have actually, weirdly NFBC
Speaker 2: people might be fighting for CAGs and Roman Anthony this
Speaker 2: coming weekend because Caags came up. What was it like
Speaker 2: Sunday night or not. I guess that was last week.
Speaker 2: So that was last week and they just did that.
Speaker 2: But I want you to think of it from the
Speaker 2: long term perspective of like NFBC for the week, but
Speaker 2: also a short term What level of hold are you
Speaker 2: wanting on Roman Anthony? What is your expectations and how
Speaker 2: he's been built up, Like what what do you think
Speaker 2: he aligns for like an outfielder three and outfielder two.
Speaker 2: Do you think there's more upside? Do you think he's overrated?
Speaker 1: Oh? Man, I think that he's probably an outfielder. If
Speaker 1: we're talking like a twelve team kind of thing, he's
Speaker 1: probably like in the three to four range. Like he's
Speaker 1: probably somewhere in that thirty six to forty eight type
Speaker 1: of ranking range. But I'm pretty excited just considering the
Speaker 1: lineup context. Boston hasn't been amazing, but if I'm looking
Speaker 1: over the last month, they ranked twelfth in the league
Speaker 1: in WRC plus at one hundred and three, So it's
Speaker 1: a solid lineup that he's going to be entering right
Speaker 1: into the middle of with that replacement with a bray.
Speaker 1: You we've been talking the whole season with the Red Sox,
Speaker 1: whereas whether it's the infield of the outfield about how
Speaker 1: they're going to make all the pieces work, and things
Speaker 1: generally do kind of figure themselves out. So will you're
Speaker 1: on the ten day. That'll give Anthony at the very
Speaker 1: minimum a week and a half the show what he
Speaker 1: can do. But even if he struggles a little bit,
Speaker 1: I think they would still keep him up. He's just
Speaker 1: a data darling. Roman Anthony has been fantastic this season
Speaker 1: in TRIPAA. He almost has walked as much as he's
Speaker 1: struck out on nineteen percent. Walk rate is ridiculous. He
Speaker 1: doesn't chase, he makes good contact in the zone. The
Speaker 1: swinging strike rate is really low. He looks like a stud.
Speaker 1: He looks like an absolute superstar. You are much more
Speaker 1: data or excuse me, much more prospect driven, So you're
Speaker 1: going to be probably the better person to turn to
Speaker 1: for the specifics of Roman Anthony's development and everything. But
Speaker 1: I'm thinking that he is worth an ad even in
Speaker 1: ten team leagues. In terms of NFBC fab he's going
Speaker 1: to go for a lot. I mean, it kind of
Speaker 1: depends on what he does this week. But JACKI Leone
Speaker 1: was going for two to four hundred dollars, so twenty
Speaker 1: to forty percent of overall budgets.
Speaker 2: Yes, one thousand dollars budget, mind you, because if that
Speaker 2: was a five hundred dollars budget, two fifty would be
Speaker 2: fifty percent. So percentiles are going to be really high.
Speaker 2: Roman Anthony shouldn't have been available, And I understand the
Speaker 2: frustration because people are they're kind of throwing it out
Speaker 2: with Bubba right now. It's like, why the hell isn't
Speaker 2: Bubba Chandler up agreed. I think everybody kind of agrees, like,
Speaker 2: outside of the Pirates are kind of stank, why would
Speaker 2: you not bring up one of the best pitchers in baseball,
Speaker 2: let him kind of develop and at the major league level.
Speaker 1: Like do that?
Speaker 2: Why not do it? There's control, there's manipulation and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. But at the same time, is as frustrating
Speaker 2: as it is Bubba and Roman Anthony. That were the
Speaker 2: ones where we just kind of continuously would just keep saying,
Speaker 2: just get them. Just be the guy that has them.
Speaker 2: If he's sitting out there, regardless of the format, just
Speaker 2: have Roman Anthony. If you had to pick one rest
Speaker 2: of season, Roman Anthony or Jack Cagle, on what side
Speaker 2: are you on?
Speaker 1: I would probably go slightly to Roman Anthony just because
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna provide some speed and might be
Speaker 1: actually decent speed. Twenty one steals in the miners last year.
Speaker 1: He's got only three so far this year, which is
Speaker 1: an amazing but he's attempted six of them, where with
Speaker 1: Jack maybe we get a couple, maybe he's in the
Speaker 1: two or three range, but the speed is definitely the separator.
Speaker 1: With Roman Anthony. He is not going to hit for
Speaker 1: as much power probably as Jack is, but still somebody
Speaker 1: that could go for about fifteen rest of season, and
Speaker 1: he's also in a much better lineup. Kansas City's lineup
Speaker 1: has been atrocious the entire year. I mentioned Boston just
Speaker 1: over the last month as the twelfth ranked offense in
Speaker 1: the league. Kansas City is twenty seventh. The only teams
Speaker 1: worse in that span are San Francisco, Texas and the
Speaker 1: lowly Rockies. So from a lineup standpoint from a well
Speaker 1: rounded fantasy aspect point of view, I think Anthony is
Speaker 1: the one who's gonna provide more in terms ofcounting stats, steals,
Speaker 1: batting average. I think he is the guy.
Speaker 2: I think there's definitely the possibility. The only thing he
Speaker 2: wonder is if he can ever like move up the lineup,
Speaker 2: you know, because like Bregman's gonna come back, and William's
Speaker 2: going to come back, and if there's a right hand
Speaker 2: or Willie's going to go higher. So it kind of
Speaker 2: feels like Anthony might be destined to be hitting somewhere
Speaker 2: between five and seven across the board. How much wiggle
Speaker 2: room are they willing to give? You know, he had
Speaker 2: some stuff on him coming into this year where you know,
Speaker 2: there were questions about change ups and off speed, like
Speaker 2: how is he going to adjust to that? From a
Speaker 2: major league perspective, looks like in Triple A, he's really
Speaker 2: kind of, you know, answered the call. He had an
Speaker 2: incredible May June was a little it's very short sample size,
Speaker 2: but a little but you know, really great exo velocities
Speaker 2: he strikes. It just hit like almost five hundred footer
Speaker 2: this weekend. So it's exciting to see and the ballpark
Speaker 2: is a really big advantage. The thing with cagleone that
Speaker 2: jumps out to me is that, like even I know
Speaker 2: it's like short sample sides like a week now, but
Speaker 2: sixteen percent k percentage, he's finding his own big hardhit.
Speaker 2: I mean of one thirteen's left and right. I know
Speaker 2: his average isn't quite there yet, but like he just said,
Speaker 2: was at four for four night, I really feel like
Speaker 2: he's coming into his own. He's gonna hit the ball
Speaker 2: really hard. I'm actually not sure that Roman Anthony beats
Speaker 2: him in a five category if you look at it
Speaker 2: from that perspective, like a five category breakdown, but Roman
Speaker 2: Anthony might be really really well rounded in that ballpark
Speaker 2: might help. So I'm a little bit worried about maybe
Speaker 2: some chase and miss stuff. But like the only reason
Speaker 2: I'm asking this is, do you think this is a
Speaker 2: prime time to try to go and trade Roman Anthony?
Speaker 2: Right now? He's up, he's hot, people are excited. He's
Speaker 2: going to revamp this offense. Like, do you think the
Speaker 2: production will warrant not moving him for let's say say
Speaker 2: like a SP thirty or twenty even twenty five, twenty
Speaker 2: five to thirty five sp in that market, do you
Speaker 2: think his production will outweigh making a move.
Speaker 1: Like that, I could get the SP twenty five for
Speaker 1: Anthony or for Jack. I would be willing to do it,
Speaker 1: just because we know the struggles that rookies go through,
Speaker 1: whether it's immediately with like a Matt Shaw situation, or
Speaker 1: maybe they hit the ground running and then they struggle
Speaker 1: a little bit like Christian Campbell, I think if you're
Speaker 1: taking something that is more of a sure thing like
Speaker 1: the SP twenty five this year is Freddy Peralta to
Speaker 1: date and the guys in that range are Sonny Gray,
Speaker 1: Mackenzie Gore, Clay Holmes, Jack Flaherty. If I could move
Speaker 1: off of one of these guys based on the hype
Speaker 1: and get somebody like that back, Spencer Schwellenbach also in
Speaker 1: that range, like I would be looking to do that.
Speaker 1: There is always the hype. It doesn't usually match up
Speaker 1: to the production when it comes to these rookies, and
Speaker 1: it comes to stashers in general. You're holding a guy
Speaker 1: you're expecting the moon. And then I had a question
Speaker 1: last week about after like three days, should I drop
Speaker 1: Jack in a shallow league people just don't have the
Speaker 1: patience for the ups and downs of these rookies a
Speaker 1: lot of the time. So if you're able to capitalize
Speaker 1: on the hype and you're able to move one of
Speaker 1: these guys for a top twenty five or thirty sp
Speaker 1: it depends on the roster a little bit, but I
Speaker 1: would be absolutely willing to do that.
Speaker 2: Also, there's no necessary guarantees at this moment, which is
Speaker 2: something're gonna have to watch for. You know, they only
Speaker 2: did this because William went on the IL. Is this
Speaker 2: going to be a stop gap thing? Or is this
Speaker 2: going to be like, you know, they get to they're
Speaker 2: getting a cheap look and then a move is gonna
Speaker 2: have to you know, like, what's gonna happen William comes
Speaker 2: off the IL. Are they going to make room like, oh,
Speaker 2: Anthony's here, He's got to do it. Or are they
Speaker 2: going to have to move off of a of a Duran?
Speaker 2: You know, are they gonna have to send down a
Speaker 2: Christian Campbell who has just kind of had his struggles.
Speaker 2: So those are It's all interesting questions. At the end
Speaker 2: of the day, I don't want to take away from
Speaker 2: like it's super exciting. It's super exciting when the top
Speaker 2: prospects come up. I think it's hard to judge positively
Speaker 2: or negatively after one week on any of these guys,
Speaker 2: So just make sure you're in the market to manage it,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. We have questions from the audience.
Speaker 2: Some it looks like there might be a Roman Anthony
Speaker 2: one or two in there that I want to get to.
Speaker 2: I want to finish up this last first topic. Then
Speaker 2: we'll get to some questions, and we got a couple
Speaker 2: other things to hit. Here's here's what I was very
Speaker 2: curious about in this same vein how how many prospects
Speaker 2: do you currently think I'm gonna use the must own term?
Speaker 2: Let's think in like twelve team must own to like
Speaker 2: you should own, and then that's gonna tell us who's expendable. Obviously,
Speaker 2: there are players that like league pending and stuff. You know,
Speaker 2: you're not gonna cut this guy, cut this guy. But
Speaker 2: I'm curious that, like, how many we really think are
Speaker 2: no doubters? Jacob Wilson no doubter, absolute, no doubt, Rookie
Speaker 2: of the Year al minus five hundred. Right now he's
Speaker 2: hitting the world even though he doesn't counting stats. Absolute,
Speaker 2: no doubt or correct.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jacob Wilson's fantastic. He's brilliant.
Speaker 2: Jason Dimingez relative no doubt. I'm not sure he's like
Speaker 2: must must must own, but I mean, I guess I
Speaker 2: I should probably pull up the stuff. But what is
Speaker 2: your initial reaction to Jason Dimingez. He's hitting two thirty six,
Speaker 2: six homers, eight stolen bases. We know this sky high potential.
Speaker 2: Is he in that twelve team must own territory? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like on the on the cusp. For me,
Speaker 1: I don't think if we're talking redraft that he is
Speaker 1: somebody that I'm really hugging in the super shallow leagues.
Speaker 1: If it's a ten or at twelve team league where
Speaker 1: you start three outfielders, let's see.
Speaker 2: Field twelve team. I want to think in those terms
Speaker 2: because I think we could justify almost anybody could be
Speaker 2: cutting those ten teams. So let's go five outfield twelve team.
Speaker 2: We're keeping.
Speaker 1: Right, probably, probably, but I don't know that. It's the
Speaker 1: thing that I like. He has six home runs all year,
Speaker 1: three of them came in that one game in that
Speaker 1: stadium in Sacramento. Strikeout rate is thirty plus percent. You know,
Speaker 1: the speed has been okay, he's got eight steals, but
Speaker 1: it's not been like game changing speed. He hasn't been
Speaker 1: He hasn't done a ton, even in a great offense,
Speaker 1: he hasn't really been amazing. So is he a top
Speaker 1: sixty outfielder. He probably is. But if there is a
Speaker 1: guy sitting on the waiver wire, that is a really
Speaker 1: really solid option for you. Like if you had Roman
Speaker 1: Anthony sitting on the waiver wire, I wouldn't mind dropping
Speaker 1: to Mangas for him. That might be a hot take,
Speaker 1: but that's kind of where I'm at with them.
Speaker 2: I think that's fine. All right, Roman Anthony, we're gonna say,
Speaker 2: you know, at this moment, he is cag leone, right,
Speaker 2: We're gonna throw CAGs into like that must own ish
Speaker 2: territory you need to own, right, Yeah, Okay, now some
Speaker 2: bigger questions. I think this is an interesting one, Nick Kurtz,
Speaker 2: he started to pick up before he got hurt. He's rehabbing.
Speaker 2: It looks like he's really close, Nick Kurtz. Is he
Speaker 2: in that must own territory?
Speaker 1: I think he is. Yeah. I believe he's gonna be
Speaker 1: back this week based on what I've seen. The strikeout
Speaker 1: rates still a little bit concerning, but we're talking twenty
Speaker 1: eight games. He, like you mentioned, he had started to
Speaker 1: pick things up before he got hurt. So I would
Speaker 1: be holding Kurts, especially as we enter into the summer
Speaker 1: months in Sacramento, like we might see see some serious
Speaker 1: power production out of Nick Kurtz.
Speaker 2: Okay, so we've got five guys right now, and it's
Speaker 2: not that expensive. Marcelo, yeah, your name Phil.
Speaker 1: I like him. I like Marcelo Mayor. I don't like
Speaker 1: the way that the Red Sox are kind of doing
Speaker 1: this with pinch hitting him and playing him at a
Speaker 1: position and all this stuff. I don't really love it
Speaker 1: so much. But yeah, he is worth holding for now
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so you think he belongs in that territory
Speaker 2: for now? I mean, I just understand this. This You
Speaker 2: don't we don't have to have everybody. That's fine if
Speaker 2: he is, but I don't want you. I'm not goading
Speaker 2: you into making all these players in there. But we
Speaker 2: can put him in the mustone twelve team category right.
Speaker 1: Now, for now, for now. But I wouldn't hesitate to
Speaker 1: drop him if we're two weeks from now and he
Speaker 1: has two hits in that timeframe or something, like that
Speaker 1: he's not somebody that I'm just holding and holding and
Speaker 1: hoping out for while he's in the middle of the
Speaker 1: Red Sox lineup, playing pretty much every day. Then yeah,
Speaker 1: but I'm not married.
Speaker 2: To him cam Smith.
Speaker 1: I need to take a quick peek at cam Smith
Speaker 1: because I think.
Speaker 2: I want to blow through the rest of these ones.
Speaker 1: But initially three homers, I don't think he's mustone. No,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say Stone and a twelve.
Speaker 2: Teamer Chandler Simpson, even though he's in triple A right now,
Speaker 2: those stolen bases, but he's not here.
Speaker 1: If you can afford to hold him, then I don't
Speaker 1: mind holding him. But I don't think that he is
Speaker 1: somebody like if you're in eighth place fighting for your life,
Speaker 1: that he's a mustache. If you're in first or second
Speaker 1: or third and you're a team that could still use
Speaker 1: a little bit of speed, I think he'll be back
Speaker 1: up at some point. But I think it's kind of
Speaker 1: a situational thing with Chandler Simpson. I'd try to hold
Speaker 1: if you can.
Speaker 2: I don't think like the new guys like Kyle Teal,
Speaker 2: Ryan River, Auto Camp, is there anybody else in forgetting
Speaker 2: in the rookie space that's kind of like here that
Speaker 2: you like. I don't think Jackson job. Is there anybody
Speaker 2: else that warrants the question that you can think of
Speaker 2: that I'm forgetting, no.
Speaker 1: But I really like Kyle Teal. I think that he's
Speaker 1: going to be really, really cool.
Speaker 2: Do you think he belongs in this conversation.
Speaker 1: Depends on who you're rolling out as your catcher, But
Speaker 1: I think I think he's on the cusp of of
Speaker 1: twelve team viability just given that he's going to play
Speaker 1: a lot the on bas skills, the speed from behind
Speaker 1: the play. I think he's I'm going to redo rankings
Speaker 1: in the next week, but he's probably around that twelve
Speaker 1: or thirteen mark for me. So I think it's dependent
Speaker 1: on who you got right now, But I think he's
Speaker 1: worth picking up in a lot of plays. So certainly,
Speaker 1: if you're in a two catcher league, go pick him
Speaker 1: up right away.
Speaker 2: What about like Cad Horton, Zebbi Matthews, do any of
Speaker 2: those belonging there? And Ha, Zebbie just got hurt.
Speaker 1: Zebbie just got hurt. So him, I think it would
Speaker 1: be a little bit tougher depending on your team. Cad Horton,
Speaker 1: I've been kind of impressed with I think that there
Speaker 1: are some things he needs to work on. Still he's
Speaker 1: not a fully finished product, but he's holding his own
Speaker 1: to this point. I think that I would prefer to
Speaker 1: hold Horton over Matthews, especially with the injury.
Speaker 2: Okay, and there was some content and it wasn't even
Speaker 2: about neither one of them. My main point of this
Speaker 2: is like, how many prospects are really worth rostering as
Speaker 2: of someone that liked prospects and talking. That's all this
Speaker 2: experiment was. I feel like we maybe put more in.
Speaker 2: I think some people might be a little bit more discerning,
Speaker 2: but we put Wilson, Domingez, CAGs, Anthony Kurtz, Marcelo, and Horton.
Speaker 2: There's seven and one pitcher, So is that what painter?
Speaker 2: But he's not here. I don't think he's a must own.
Speaker 2: We don't know when the hell he's coming up, and
Speaker 2: that's you know, I would probably throw Bubba into this.
Speaker 2: I guess if we're having the deeper conversation of like,
Speaker 2: you just got to try to have him, so you
Speaker 2: got two pictures, you've got whatever the hell that ended
Speaker 2: up being five six hitters, that there's a decent amount
Speaker 2: but then if you know, if you start pushing the
Speaker 2: envelope here, if you really pushed it, like I think
Speaker 2: Jacob Wilson, CAGs and Anthony are the three that like
Speaker 2: would be at the very tippy top, and CAGs and
Speaker 2: Anthony because of the sky high potential and not enough
Speaker 2: time to tell us a story. Jacob Wilson has only
Speaker 2: really been the only service one Christian Campbell I could
Speaker 2: have put in there. Christian Campbell doesn't belong in it.
Speaker 2: It's a bigger discussion just for people to remember when
Speaker 2: you're making your moves of how many are really panning
Speaker 2: out and hold that like you can't come off of
Speaker 2: them range. Jacob Wilson's about it, truly about it, Like
Speaker 2: Caggs and Anthony are super fun. The rest of the
Speaker 2: guys have unfortunately kind of been failures or gets. You know,
Speaker 2: Logan Henderson comes up and he's gone and he's back
Speaker 2: down that you don't want to know site of your
Speaker 2: roster to me, yeah lol or exactly. I mean, the
Speaker 2: Dineback should blow it up soon. But there's only so
Speaker 2: many that really belong And I think if we push
Speaker 2: the envelope and we're a little bit more Picky. I
Speaker 2: think this would have been Wilson Cag's Anthony, maybe Kertz,
Speaker 2: and I'm not sure if anybody else would have really
Speaker 2: fallen in that range. But you know, everyone listening can
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Speaker 2: go to some listener questions we've got here? Gamova said,
Speaker 2: what do we do with Bubba? He just by himself
Speaker 2: in DOUBLEA. Now, yeah, he's the last of those guys.
Speaker 2: I think I've kind of answered it. I think he's
Speaker 2: just so at the tippy top of like what the
Speaker 2: strikeout value and stuff can be that I want to hold.
Speaker 2: But I also think he's vulnerable offense sucks. He's had
Speaker 2: walk problems this year, you know, the must hold category.
Speaker 2: I really didn't even put him into that, like really
Speaker 2: really hardcore, like ten team one. But you should be
Speaker 2: paying attention to him. Do you have any other feelings
Speaker 2: about it? I know you've been You're not you're not
Speaker 2: a prospect guy, and all you've probably been hearing is
Speaker 2: Bubba Chandler, Bubba Chandler. He never comes up. Is he
Speaker 2: someone that you actually think you need to stash or
Speaker 2: if you've been stashing, could you possibly dump him for
Speaker 2: a pseudo hot arm.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, so, I think especially if you've
Speaker 1: been holding. Yeah, I try to avoid the whole sunk
Speaker 1: cost thing, but you've been holding him. If you drop
Speaker 1: him right now, he's gonna get called up next week.
Speaker 1: It's just the way that these things tend to work.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, the wins are not going
Speaker 1: to be there. I mean even in Triple A, they're
Speaker 1: not even there. Twelve game twelve starts, two wins. But
Speaker 1: look look at Paul Skins, right every time out, he's
Speaker 1: going seven innings, six to two thirds, seven and two thirds, whatever,
Speaker 1: and he never gets any run support. He never gets
Speaker 1: any wins. And I worry a little bit that Bubba's
Speaker 1: gonna come up and they're gonna have some kid gloves
Speaker 1: with him. Initially, maybe we don't see him going six
Speaker 1: to seven innings, and the win potential is going to
Speaker 1: be the same, if not even a little bit worse,
Speaker 1: because he'll have less control over his own destiny, having
Speaker 1: to rely probably more on the pen than Skins is.
Speaker 1: At this point, I don't see them bringing up Chandler
Speaker 1: and having him go seven innings every time, So the
Speaker 1: wins are probably not going to be there. But other
Speaker 1: than that, just based on the profile we've seen at
Speaker 1: Triple A, he seems like the kind of guy who
Speaker 1: can come up and have immediate success. And even Paul
Speaker 1: Skans and we're looking at what he did last year,
Speaker 1: I mean one ninety six era point nine to five
Speaker 1: whip are not going to happen. Probably that was a
Speaker 1: charmed rookie season. But I think that Bubba can be
Speaker 1: somewhere in the three type of ra with a one
Speaker 1: to ten or so whip and that's valuable even if
Speaker 1: it's not coming with victories. Those ratios are so hard
Speaker 1: to find, so hard to come by on the waiver wire.
Speaker 1: So I'm holding Chandler. I think it's only a matter
Speaker 1: of time. I know we've been saying that for a
Speaker 1: long long time, but every day that goes by, it
Speaker 1: means we're one day closer to Bubba Chandler. At the
Speaker 1: end of the day, they're not going to keep him
Speaker 1: down the entirety of the season. He will come up
Speaker 1: at some point. And now we're pushing the halfway point
Speaker 1: of the year. It's got to be any week now.
Speaker 1: And I think if you're holding, you still got to
Speaker 1: continue to hold unless you see some crazy name sitting
Speaker 1: on the wire, But I think you got to hold them.
Speaker 2: If you've held this long, what are you doing, Like,
Speaker 2: this is not the time to now you don't make
Speaker 2: the cut. I think he could also go the way
Speaker 2: of like Jared Jones and Jared Jones had an incredible
Speaker 2: first half, things did come back down to earth. Also
Speaker 2: kind of a fastball slidery guy, but one of the
Speaker 2: best graded fastballs in all the minor league. I'm I'm
Speaker 2: here for it. I think you need to hold and
Speaker 2: try to make do, especially because you've done so so far.
Speaker 2: And if he's out there, go pick him up. A
Speaker 2: game said what, No, this is how sorry? Would you
Speaker 2: rather trade away Machado or Camonaro, both using up third
Speaker 2: base and util so I think we would probably both
Speaker 2: quickly answer, don't do either regardless. But if you had
Speaker 2: to trade one, who you're trading Machado or Camonaro.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you struck gold with these two. I wouldn't trade
Speaker 1: either unless you got blown away. I guess I would
Speaker 1: maybe move Machado just because he's older and more things
Speaker 1: can pop up. But I think you're just holding unless
Speaker 1: somebody really knocks your socks off.
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm moving camon Aro in this one.
Speaker 2: I think Camanaro might have as much value as Machado,
Speaker 2: and maybe even a tiny bit more in some circles
Speaker 2: for redraft. This is not a dynasty thing in redraft,
Speaker 2: and I know exactly what I'm getting out of Machado,
Speaker 2: especially when they're going to start getting into like a
Speaker 2: really tight Pennant race and stuff like, I think I
Speaker 2: want to bank on Machada. The ballpark does favor Cam
Speaker 2: and Arrow more, but I'm I'm gonna say I keep
Speaker 2: Machado and try to get a haul for Cameron Arow.
Speaker 2: You're on the other side, and that's so cool.
Speaker 1: The only thing that worries me is just that he
Speaker 1: has a little bit of an injury history at this
Speaker 1: point and he's like ten years older. But what you're
Speaker 1: saying makes sense, Yeah.
Speaker 2: A career kick had. This is kind of that Roman
Speaker 2: Anthony stuff and we'd already talked about it, but mentions Willier,
Speaker 2: thinking is Roman up for good or is this dependent
Speaker 2: on how he does while Williers on the shelf. I
Speaker 2: think it's a little bit of that. I don't think. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Williams's not gonna be the expense of his playing time.
Speaker 2: Williams is not gonna go away unless they did decide
Speaker 2: to move him or trade him, which I kind of
Speaker 2: just don't think they will, even though I know he's
Speaker 2: popped up as well. But like, if Roman is awesome,
Speaker 2: they're gonna have to make a serious decision. I would lie.
Speaker 2: I at this point think I know it's dangerous to
Speaker 2: have lots of prospects. You gotta you gotta get rid
Speaker 2: of Trevor's story. Like Trevor story is, he's falling down.
Speaker 2: Let me go be your third baseman or i'm sorry,
Speaker 2: your shortstop, and let Campbell be your second baseman. And
Speaker 2: then you've got Anthony and wrote right field you're golden,
Speaker 2: and will You can be your DH and you can
Speaker 2: just play between those things. That's what i'd like to see.
Speaker 2: I don't know if they'll do it, but if Roman
Speaker 2: Anthony struggles, guess what built an excuse? When Will You's back?
Speaker 2: If he's awesome, then they're gonna have to make a
Speaker 2: tough decision somewhere, whether it's maybe they know they have
Speaker 2: a trade looming, or you know, DFA a Trevor story
Speaker 2: or what the hell ever? You know, Abraham Torro has
Speaker 2: been playing well, but maybe you cut bait on one
Speaker 2: of Roman or a Rome I'm sorry, Romy Gonzales or Toro,
Speaker 2: and then you move Trevor story over to be in
Speaker 2: some first base platoon. So they'll find a way they
Speaker 2: want to find a way. They'll they'll find it, and
Speaker 2: I think that's been the most frustrating thing of why
Speaker 2: he's not up. Do you have anything else outside of that?
Speaker 1: I think if I was running the team, I'm giving
Speaker 1: Devers a first base club and I'm saying, you're playing
Speaker 1: first base. Toro's done, and then you'll do that. He's
Speaker 1: already he refuses, what are they gonna do? What does
Speaker 1: he get to do?
Speaker 2: Like or maybe they've lightly I don't mean to cut off.
Speaker 2: They have said he's not interested in it, and I
Speaker 2: think he had mentioned in the past if they were,
Speaker 2: like if they forced him to, he would, But they've
Speaker 2: come to him and he's like, nope, So that's the problem.
Speaker 2: Like they they obviously do not want to be the
Speaker 2: team that forces a player to do it, especially when
Speaker 2: you have someone so unwilling to be helpful for your team.
Speaker 1: It's just so baffling to me, Like that would solve
Speaker 1: all the problems pretty much, you know, and then you
Speaker 1: can rotate those four outfielders around with the age spot.
Speaker 1: It just makes so much sense. Story as well, I mean,
Speaker 1: Story hasn't done really. I think he's had a couple
Speaker 1: of decent games lately, but for the season as a whole.
Speaker 1: He has a sixty nine WRC plus. He's thirty one
Speaker 1: percent worse than league average. He's not a plus defender anymore.
Speaker 1: I don't know what we're doing. I don't know what
Speaker 1: they're doing. I don't either.
Speaker 2: M grabs says, does Bubba Roman have a better shot
Speaker 2: at being keeper worthy in a five cat head to
Speaker 2: head league twelve team? Four keepers?
Speaker 1: Though?
Speaker 2: I think both of those guys are pretty tough to
Speaker 2: keep in a fore keeper unless your team stinks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally agreed. I think that it would be a
Speaker 1: stretch for either of them. Is one of them more likely?
Speaker 1: I guess the fact that Anthony is up now, if
Speaker 1: he does, you know, if he knocks our socks off
Speaker 1: and goes twenty twenty the rest of the way, maybe
Speaker 1: you'd give you a tough decision. But yeah, I think,
Speaker 1: like well said, it would have to be a pretty
Speaker 1: bad roster for him to be one of the four,
Speaker 1: for either to be one of the four.
Speaker 2: But you know, there are plenty of times I've seen
Speaker 2: rosters where it's like three keepers are just so they're like,
Speaker 2: oh I got a Kunya Tatis and you know, whatever
Speaker 2: the hell, Ellie, and then their fourth keeper is like
Speaker 2: they're trying to figure out if they should keep you know,
Speaker 2: an aging Matt Olsen, Luis Robert or Roman Anthony. And
Speaker 2: let's say that's the case. That actually is a scenario
Speaker 2: where Anthony could be viable. Olsen's added down this year,
Speaker 2: he's getting older. If Anthony kind of pops off, By
Speaker 2: the way, I totally understand that scenario. I already said
Speaker 2: two outfielders, but you get what I'm doing. I do
Speaker 2: think there is the possibility that Roman anthe could be that.
Speaker 2: I do not think Bubba is going to be thrown
Speaker 2: into that the Pirates. Bubba would have to be like
Speaker 2: Paul Skeins, which is a definite I guess, I guess possibility.
Speaker 2: But I would say Roman Anthony has he has an out.
Speaker 2: He has the better shot of that question. Dexter says,
Speaker 2: is Barger a must add in ten team? What do
Speaker 2: I think? What do the advanced metrics say about him?
Speaker 2: He absolutely pops off as far as expected stats go.
Speaker 2: Baseball Savant page is beautiful. That's why I've been talking
Speaker 2: about him for a couple months. Two sixty two seven homers,
Speaker 2: fifty two percent hard hit rate, ridiculous, tops of the league,
Speaker 2: and average and max exit velocity expect a batting average
Speaker 2: is thirty points higher than he has barrel rates good,
Speaker 2: It all looks sexy. Is he good enough to hold
Speaker 2: in a ten team? Is he a muscle or must
Speaker 2: pick up? I guess if he's available.
Speaker 1: But my home league is a ten team league, and
Speaker 1: he was my Alex Bragman replacement. The timing worked out
Speaker 1: beautifully for Barger's little run here, but I think that
Speaker 1: it's beyond I shouldn't even minimize it. It's more than
Speaker 1: just a little run. There are serious improvements. I'm a
Speaker 1: Blue Jay fan and I've watched him throughout the last
Speaker 1: few years, and he is a different player than last year.
Speaker 1: He was striking out a lot, a lot more, he
Speaker 1: was chasing more, he was making less contact in the zone.
Speaker 1: He is a different player this year, and the power
Speaker 1: metrics really backed that up. His barrel rate went from
Speaker 1: eight percent to fifteen, hard hit from thirty eight to
Speaker 1: fifty two. The average exit velocity went from eighty eight
Speaker 1: to ninety four, and the max exit velocity last year
Speaker 1: was one ten. This year it's already at one sixteen.
Speaker 1: He is a different player the Blue Jays as a whole.
Speaker 1: I talked a little bit about how team has been
Speaker 1: performing over the last month. The Blue Jays have the
Speaker 1: third best WRC plus over the last month, one point
Speaker 1: behind the Yankees and the Dodgers. It's been an unbelievable
Speaker 1: thing to see Toronto turn things around offensively, and I
Speaker 1: think Barger has been a huge part of it. So
Speaker 1: long story short, I think he's worth adding everywhere, even
Speaker 1: if you're using him in a utility spot. I think
Speaker 1: the power's legit, the lineups jit his defense is very
Speaker 1: legit as well. Not a ton of reps so far
Speaker 1: this year, but he's already plus two defensive run saved
Speaker 1: and outs above average at third in just two hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty innings. He's gonna stick in this lineup, and
Speaker 1: this lineup right now is very very good. So I'd
Speaker 1: add him wherever you can.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think for the most part, I'm kind of
Speaker 2: in that same space with you that in a ten team,
Speaker 2: he is so hot, the metrics look good. I think
Speaker 2: you should do it. But what if I ask you
Speaker 2: you can only add one Barger or Roman Anthony.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get called a homer, but I think it's
Speaker 1: probably Barger just because he's already gone through the ups
Speaker 1: and downs of the miners. He's had a bad stretch
Speaker 1: of major league play last season, and I think that
Speaker 1: that's an important piece of the puzzle of guys having
Speaker 1: to kind of go through the lows and figure things out.
Speaker 1: And he's already rolling right now. There's a chance that
Speaker 1: Anthony comes up and he does kind of something similar.
Speaker 1: But I think just considering the state of the Blue
Speaker 1: Jays offense and the fact that Barger is pretty much
Speaker 1: guaranteed an everyday roll, there's no chance that he's leaving
Speaker 1: the lineup at this point, where with Anthony, two cold
Speaker 1: weeks and I'll break you back could mean he's back
Speaker 1: in triple A. So I think Barger is the safer call.
Speaker 1: Anthony has the more upside, but I think Barger is
Speaker 1: is the way I would go in a lot of so.
Speaker 2: I kind of think that is the right answer. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna say Anthony, though, because I think the upside is
Speaker 2: really tremendous in that offense. You and I completely agree
Speaker 2: something I would have made as a statement if you
Speaker 2: told me after one hundred and fifty at bats that
Speaker 2: Anthony could be hitting two sixty with seven Homers, you
Speaker 2: know at three twenty five or three forty, let's say
Speaker 2: obp like, I'd be ecstatic. I'd be like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's working out. That's where Barger is right now, So
Speaker 2: definitely possibility. I'm gonna go with the upside though. Let's
Speaker 2: do a little burn and turn on some of these
Speaker 2: so we can get through them and we'll get to
Speaker 2: our last topics.
Speaker 1: Here.
Speaker 2: Would you guys accept or decline? This trade got offered
Speaker 2: Lindor Devers and Chandler Simpson for Hunter Brown, Mookie and
Speaker 2: Matt Shaw. This is a ten team keeper, so they're
Speaker 2: getting Lindor, Devers and Simpson but having to give away Brown,
Speaker 2: Bets and Matt Shaw. I instantly want to say no,
Speaker 2: but you're getting two top thirty hitters. Lindor is a
Speaker 2: little bit older for a top pitcher and then a
Speaker 2: top hitter, and then the differentiating factor is Simpson versus Shaw,
Speaker 2: which is kind of tough. I don't know that, and
Speaker 2: it's in team keeper. I think I'm leaning Bets and
Speaker 2: Brown here, but Lindor and Devers is a pretty damn
Speaker 2: good offer. What do you think?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the thing with Lindor getting older, that's kind of
Speaker 1: is on the other side too.
Speaker 2: That's is as well, so you're kind of if you
Speaker 2: figure swapping those two. You can look at this as
Speaker 2: like Devors for Brown, and.
Speaker 1: I would almost always take the hitter over the pitcher,
Speaker 1: just in a vacuum, given the injury risks. I My
Speaker 1: initial lean is the Lindor and Dever side, but I
Speaker 1: think I think it's fair. I don't think anybody's getting
Speaker 1: ripped off here, but I think that the Lindor side,
Speaker 1: for me, is a little more is a little more interesting.
Speaker 2: I think as long as they're all keepers too, I
Speaker 2: guess I'm gonna still lean the bets Brown, but more
Speaker 2: i'm thinking about it, Lindor Devers might be the better haul.
Speaker 2: Simpson and Shot probably don't come into equation unless this
Speaker 2: is like a deep key. Joseph said, keep your trade question.
Speaker 2: Would you trade Ivan Herrera, jung Hu, Lee, Clay Holmes
Speaker 2: and a fifth rounder to get Cal Raley, Seth Lugo
Speaker 2: and a twelfth rounder? So you're trading Herrera, Lee, Holmes
Speaker 2: and a fifth to get Lugo and RALEI.
Speaker 1: I think you're giving up too much. Lugo is we're
Speaker 1: running out of time where Lugo can still be productive.
Speaker 1: He is he thirty seven now, thirty six, thirty seven,
Speaker 1: I don't know how many more years you're going to
Speaker 1: have out of him. Raleigh has been brilliant, but I
Speaker 1: also don't really expect this pace to continue. He's pacing
Speaker 1: for like a sixty home run twenty steel season with
Speaker 1: a three hundred batting average. I'm not saying he's like
Speaker 1: a big cell high, but I think he's playing over
Speaker 1: his skis a little bit. I really like Ivan Herrera,
Speaker 1: I really like Jung Hu Lee. The Dodgers have been
Speaker 1: linked to him, and Clay Holmes is doing really good
Speaker 1: things this season, So I would personally want more if
Speaker 1: I'm going to move off of Herrera and Jung Hu
Speaker 1: Lee and Holmes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so too. Like there's also an element
Speaker 2: of if you're like, well, I want Raleigh and Lugo
Speaker 2: because I'm play for now, it's like, well, I'd rather
Speaker 2: have Clay Holmes and Lugo and Herrera's not that far
Speaker 2: off from Raleigh. Is that worth the upgrade to also
Speaker 2: get rid of Lee in the fifth rounder? Maybe? Yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe cal Rally has been incredible, but I really do
Speaker 2: love Ivan Herrera. I'd like to do this as like
Speaker 2: I trade Herrera in a fifth for cal Raley, or
Speaker 2: you know, maybe I upgrade the pick to a fourth
Speaker 2: Herrera in cal Raley. I might work something like that
Speaker 2: the Big Dance Autokemp, or let's do Lightning round on
Speaker 2: these Auto Kemp or Ronnie Mauricio.
Speaker 1: It would have to be Mauricio for me. I think
Speaker 1: Kemp is just a short term guy. I think Mauricio
Speaker 1: could stick, especially with what you've seen recently. Camp.
Speaker 2: I don't know if Harper is too short term here.
Speaker 2: I'll say Ronnie Mauricio, but I don't think we should
Speaker 2: sleep on Kemp. How would you guys rank Torklsen, Kurtz,
Speaker 2: Ben Rice rest of season in the Daily Lineup League?
Speaker 2: What's your rank?
Speaker 1: Probably in the order you have it laid out there,
Speaker 1: Torkles and Kurtz and Rice.
Speaker 2: That's interesting. I am inverse order, Rice, Kurtz, Torkelsen. Rice
Speaker 2: has expected numbers that are I think we're going to
Speaker 2: get back to where we saw early. His averages definitely
Speaker 2: dip back down, but I think he's going to bounce
Speaker 2: back still a really great profile. Kurtz was starting to
Speaker 2: find it Sortson's fine but I'm going to go reverse
Speaker 2: order rest of season, and the answer might be Kurtz,
Speaker 2: by the way, who we had in the middle on
Speaker 2: both of those, Joseph, what do we like rest of
Speaker 2: season in a category league? Westburg or Mikel Garcia.
Speaker 1: I'm not really married to either, but Mikel Garcia has
Speaker 1: been one of the low and bright spots in Kansas City.
Speaker 1: He's been really good, so I think i'd probably lean
Speaker 1: with him, although I think that's probably gonna be an
Speaker 1: unpopular choice.
Speaker 2: I think his production is impossible to drop. But I
Speaker 2: also think Jordan Westburg from moving forward could be the
Speaker 2: more valuable player, so kind of take that, like, I
Speaker 2: guess I'm gonna say Jordan Westburg, but like, how do
Speaker 2: you cut Michael Garcia right now? I don't even know
Speaker 2: how you end up doing that. Who is up first?
Speaker 2: Christian Moore or Bubba Chandler? And and then the secondary
Speaker 2: question is who is a better keeper value, Bubba or Christian?
Speaker 2: More so, who's up and who has better value?
Speaker 1: I would imagine the answer to both is probably Bubba,
Speaker 1: but the Angels are pretty aggressive with how they promote prospects,
Speaker 1: so more could be up first, but I would prefer
Speaker 1: to have Bubba.
Speaker 2: I agree, I'm going to go on both. And then
Speaker 2: finally Joe Hulee, is he droppable for barger.
Speaker 1: If you need a third basement. Third basement are a
Speaker 1: lot harder to come by than outfielders. I'd prefer to
Speaker 1: hold Lee, but I would understand the move.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you can. I think you can make
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Speaker 2: Weeni in the Butt a couple of things I want
Speaker 2: to get your take on, and then we're going to
Speaker 2: get out of here. Two rest of season pitcher questions,
Speaker 2: Uri Perez. We are playing a very dangerous game right
Speaker 2: now because we are recording this before Uri Perez makes
Speaker 2: his debut. He's going up against the Pirates, which is
Speaker 2: very nice. We love that. Probably going to be capped
Speaker 2: to some capacity. He's coming off with this injury. He's
Speaker 2: had a very long, extended rehabitantst of season. What do
Speaker 2: you think Euri PRES's value is as far as an
Speaker 2: sp goes and do you think it is better to
Speaker 2: trade Uri right now in inherent value when where things
Speaker 2: could go or you should hold on because of what
Speaker 2: the return will look like.
Speaker 1: So I think, and I got this question the other day,
Speaker 1: and I thought about it for a long time, and
Speaker 1: I think a reasonable expectation is probably a top fifty
Speaker 1: or sixty starting pitcher just because you've got a factor
Speaker 1: in Miami is going to win Nada. They are not
Speaker 1: going to be a lot of win opportunities coming for him.
Speaker 1: But the actual production is where I really struggle, because
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what to make of his command. What
Speaker 1: we've seen from a lot of from pretty much everybody
Speaker 1: coming back from Tommy John is that the command is
Speaker 1: the last thing to come back. And what we saw
Speaker 1: in his rehabs in the minors was an increased walk
Speaker 1: rate that was well over ten percent. So I worry
Speaker 1: a little bit. Like in single A he was at
Speaker 1: seven percent walk rate, whatever he went up to triple
Speaker 1: A the thirteen percent, And if the command doesn't come
Speaker 1: back the way we're hoping for, then it might be
Speaker 1: a little bit of a tough road for him. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, the talent is absolutely through the
Speaker 1: roof that I feel like even if his command isn't
Speaker 1: quite up to par, he could still get by just
Speaker 1: because he's going to have something like a thirty percent
Speaker 1: strikeout rate. That's where he's been in his rehab twenty
Speaker 1: eight percent. So I think that he can get by
Speaker 1: if you're at a twenty eight twenty nine percent strikeout rate,
Speaker 1: even if you're walking eleven percent, we can see success
Speaker 1: with that. It just makes it a little bit harder.
Speaker 1: So if you can trade him, it really depends on
Speaker 1: what you're trading him for. If it's a keeper league,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're not talking keeper at all, but just.
Speaker 1: For redraft purposes. If somebody is going to offer you,
Speaker 1: I guess the bar would have to be for me,
Speaker 1: like a top one hundred and fifty overall player or
Speaker 1: maybe even one hundred and twenty five or so.
Speaker 2: I feel like you're talking like down when you said
Speaker 2: top like fifty SP. I think expectations are a little
Speaker 2: bit higher. I think market is like a higher cost.
Speaker 2: So you actually might personally benefit if you're not as
Speaker 2: high on him from trading him, because I think I
Speaker 2: think a reasonable reasonable in like the Fantasy Baseball trademinder,
Speaker 2: is that like, hey, Ury can come in and be
Speaker 2: like a top thirty SP, he can come back and
Speaker 2: be a similar. Think of like, now, I know it
Speaker 2: didn't work out, but think of like Strider, Streider and McClanahan, like,
Speaker 2: oh they're back, they're pitching d Dad, this is what
Speaker 2: they can be. I think that's the relative expectation because,
Speaker 2: like I wanted to ask you this rest of season,
Speaker 2: Uri pez Orjesus Lozardo, oh Man and LAZARDA has just
Speaker 2: gotten smacked around his last couple.
Speaker 1: The worry for me with Blizardo is that you don't
Speaker 1: usually see a picture of that caliber get absolutely lit
Speaker 1: on fire twice in a row. You will Steve everybody
Speaker 1: get blown up here and there. But twelve and eight
Speaker 1: earned runs and consecutive outings leads me to think there's
Speaker 1: something injury related going on potentially, and I've been waiting
Speaker 1: for some kind of move. He's still scheduled to start
Speaker 1: against the Cubs on Wednesday, and waiting for some kind
Speaker 1: of move, But it looks like they're going to send
Speaker 1: him out there so they think he's healthy. Then I'm
Speaker 1: willing to buy into that. Afhillies are kind of an
Speaker 1: interesting team with health sometimes, but I'm willing to buy
Speaker 1: into it, and I think I would take Lozardo still,
Speaker 1: he's been so so good. I mean, this wouldn't have
Speaker 1: even been a question a week ago. We would have
Speaker 1: all taken Lozardo pretty easily. And I think the two
Speaker 1: starts are concerning, But there are also concerns, like I
Speaker 1: laid out with Perez, the wins are not going to
Speaker 1: be there, the command might be kind of shaky, you
Speaker 1: might be looking at some rough whips. So I think
Speaker 1: it would be Lozardo. I wouldn't fault anybody for wanting
Speaker 1: to take a chance on Uri, but I don't think
Speaker 1: we should give up on Lazardo after what we've seen either.
Speaker 2: I do think Lozardo has the advantage, like the team context.
Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot of there's gonna be run support.
Speaker 2: There's wins support there that's not going to be there
Speaker 2: with the Marlins. We also think there's probably gonna be
Speaker 2: some type of a cap. But I do think that
Speaker 2: Uri Perez can toe the line of a top thirty
Speaker 2: sp So with that question, I think you inherently kind
Speaker 2: of have to say Lizarda right now, but I think
Speaker 2: it's a very thin line. I think one more, I
Speaker 2: think public sentiment deteriorates if Lozardo gets lit up again
Speaker 2: and if Ury does go out and he goes let's
Speaker 2: say five inning, six strikeouts, gives up one in and
Speaker 2: run and eighty two pitches, I think like people are
Speaker 2: gonna be like, hey, we're back, We're back on Uri Prez.
Speaker 1: The thing with Uri too, is that the matchups this
Speaker 1: week are at Pittsburgh and at Washington, So you couldn't
Speaker 1: get more of a cupcake to start in your return.
Speaker 1: So if he really does well in these two matchups,
Speaker 1: then I would I would look to see what people
Speaker 1: are willing to offer you, all right.
Speaker 2: Final one, George Kirby absolutely lit it up this weekend.
Speaker 2: Fourteen strikeouts after coming off of the IL and some
Speaker 2: questionable results, just look dominant, really kind of lowered his
Speaker 2: splitter percentage. It was just to me, I've been liking
Speaker 2: it as like he just got back to basics basketball
Speaker 2: sinker slider, got it done, got his whiffs, bunch of strikes.
Speaker 2: The first question, really quick is do you think Kirby
Speaker 2: is all the way back or roughly all the way back?
Speaker 2: Did that outing give you the confirmation you needed to say, oh,
Speaker 2: we're back in the George Kirby business.
Speaker 1: It did, especially because the Angels have been good offensively lately.
Speaker 1: They've been like a top five or seven team over
Speaker 1: the last three weeks. With Trout coming back, Joe Dell's
Speaker 1: been doing good things. So it's not like this came
Speaker 1: against the Rockies when you'd have to maybe give it
Speaker 1: a little bit more of a second thought. But I
Speaker 1: think Kirby is all the way back. That game against
Speaker 1: Washington where he allowed three home runs is the big stinker.
Speaker 1: Other than that, I've liked what I've seen from him.
Speaker 2: Okay. Then this leads to the question George Kirby or
Speaker 2: Spencer Streider rest of season? As Stryder hit a second
Speaker 2: all time low on his fastball, his average v low
Speaker 2: is down. He's fastball slider stuff plus numbers kind of famously.
Speaker 2: Now if you go over to Fangrafts you can check
Speaker 2: out the stuff plus numbers are down. It's very short
Speaker 2: sample sizes and whatnot. But Spencer trying to find himself.
Speaker 2: Who would you rather rest of season? George Kirby or
Speaker 2: Spencer Strider.
Speaker 1: I think I would go with Kirby at this point,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty worried about Strider. He's been really bad. The
Speaker 1: numbers below the surface are bad too. It's not like
Speaker 1: he has a huge era and all the estimators are
Speaker 1: good and everything like, No, there are a lot of concerns.
Speaker 1: He's not striking guys out. The velocity is not where
Speaker 1: it once was. The team is a joke. The Braves
Speaker 1: are absolutely miserable this season. There's not a lot going
Speaker 1: for Strider right now. I think that he is somebody
Speaker 1: that you should look into trading. I'm kind of concerned here.
Speaker 1: Five game started, five losses, strikeouts aren't there, tons of walks?
Speaker 1: Nothing good, at least with Kirby. I have been even
Speaker 1: before this start a little bit encouraged, like the home
Speaker 1: run to fly ball rate. The homer per nine was
Speaker 1: really out of kewe just because of that one start.
Speaker 1: But the strikeouts are up for Kirby twenty eight percent
Speaker 1: strikeout right. The command has been there, the team has
Speaker 1: been very good. He has a better home park to
Speaker 1: pitch in. I think Kirby is the same for play
Speaker 1: at this point. I do too.
Speaker 2: I'm super torn on where and how I want to
Speaker 2: feel about Strider. I don't want to be I don't
Speaker 2: want to be a massive alarmist where it's like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, he's got to get out of here, like
Speaker 2: he's too talented. We've seen him be, you know, one
Speaker 2: of the premier strikeout pitchroll, freaking bulldog on the mound.
Speaker 2: But there's something off. And it's not just the vlos down,
Speaker 2: it's the stuff doesn't look as good. And then on
Speaker 2: top of it, you're just this like two pitch pitcher,
Speaker 2: you know, you don't have anything else really to rely on,
Speaker 2: you know. And interesting enough, we saw what did de
Speaker 2: Grom do earlier in the year. He leaned more what
Speaker 2: was it on his change up, you know, more than
Speaker 2: he had in quite some time, and maybe that kind
Speaker 2: of helped him kind of get right reset the fastball.
Speaker 2: Strider just doesn't do that, really, and I worry about that.
Speaker 2: I do think he's so talented that if the sentiment
Speaker 2: is so low, you could buy on him. But if
Speaker 2: we are in a world where you can still compare
Speaker 2: Strider and Kirby, I'm going to take Kirby like hands down.
Speaker 2: It's a big command guy. I think that's the way
Speaker 2: I want to go, and I would consolidate. So I
Speaker 2: think there's a b in a cell argument on both
Speaker 2: sides of Strider. But I also feel that I think
Speaker 2: Kirby's back. I don't like that he tinkers too much.
Speaker 2: I hope he doesn't tinker go crazy, Tinker, Taylor whatever, Soldier.
Speaker 2: But I want George Kirby to be the Kirby that
Speaker 2: we know, and I'm going to bank on it, and
Speaker 2: we're both gonna take Kirby over Strider. There you go,
Speaker 2: didn ex.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think with Strider. For me, I think I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna buy the dip next year. I think this
Speaker 1: year is kind of I wouldn't call it a lost season.
Speaker 1: There's still a lot of games left to play, but
Speaker 1: I feel like the production is gonna end up even
Speaker 1: if he really writes the ship. Rest of season. Projections
Speaker 1: at Fangrafts have him going like the bat projection rest
Speaker 1: of the season as a three eighty seven era. You
Speaker 1: tack that onto his five forty. Right now, we're ending
Speaker 1: up in the fours, and I think next year will
Speaker 1: be a good chance to buy the dip on him,
Speaker 1: more so than he's a great by low opportunity in
Speaker 1: redraft right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if you're in a dynasty league, like
Speaker 2: you're saying, go buying him right now, you can buy
Speaker 2: in him my dynasty for next year. If you're out
Speaker 2: of it because you're going to be buying low on him.
Speaker 2: So I think I'm in agreen on that side. Friends,
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