1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:04,519 Speaker 1: Oh, welcome in our number three Wednesday edition of the program. 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we 3 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: are running through a lot of different stories, some of 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 1: which have been breaking during the course of today's program. 5 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 1: So if you just get in your cars, let me 6 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: give you a little bit of an idea about what's 7 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: going on. The Trump trial in New York City, the 8 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: Alvin Bragg business records case is now to the jury. 9 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: They have been deliberating for a few hours now. They 10 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 1: are scheduled to deliberate until four point thirty Eastern today, 11 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: so a little bit over two hours the left in 12 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: which they could be deliberating. General idea there, the faster 13 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: they come back, the better it is for the prosecution, 14 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: and the worse it is for Trump. Now, that is 15 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: not always true. Sometimes a jury goes and deliberates. It 16 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: just means that there is a unanimous decision reached very quickly. 17 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: Sometimes they not guilty verdict can come back very quickly too. 18 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: But looking at this jury pool, a not guilty verdict 19 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,839 Speaker 1: would be stunning. I would put it at a one 20 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: percent or lower chance. So the more rapidly this comes back. 21 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: You just heard Buck and I giving you our ideas 22 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 1: of how we think this will play out. Buck says 23 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 1: that he thinks there'll be a verdict by the end 24 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: of the week. I think that Judge Merchand is going 25 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: to say, hey, you guys have to keep fighting this out. 26 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,199 Speaker 1: If there's going to be a mistrial or a hung 27 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: jury more accurately described, they will come back and say, Judge, 28 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 1: we just can't reach a verdict. We've got a hung jury, 29 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: and he'll say, hey, you guys have to go fight 30 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: it out a little bit longer. I don't know how 31 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: long that process would take, but to me, it would 32 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: have to go into next week. 33 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 2: See to me, if you have a holdout, you have 34 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 2: a holdout, you know what I'm saying. If you're not, 35 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 2: if you're not down for the Trump conviction pretty much 36 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 2: right away, I don't think they're gonna be able to 37 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 2: convince you otherwise. But look, we're not in there. Maybe 38 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 2: these individuals really think that if they sit around and 39 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 2: talk about this and think about it long enough. I mean, 40 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 2: I remember, we are hyper opinionated, Clay, That is one 41 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 2: thing that can be said for us. 42 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: Hyper opinionated. 43 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 2: A lot of people, aren't, you know, they're kind of 44 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 2: like yeah, you know, let's talk about it. 45 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: Let's let's sort of sit around and see. 46 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 2: Uh, maybe there's there's more of a of a desire 47 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 2: to try to reach consensus among some of these jury 48 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:36,239 Speaker 2: members than we would anticipate. 49 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: But all that set what's up now. I was just 50 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: gonna say, if you and I had been sitting on 51 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: this jury, even given the fact that we are opinionated, 52 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 1: I think we would have already had our minds made 53 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: up before the closing arguments were given by either side, 54 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 1: because they had a full week to sit around and think, 55 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: basically long weekend before these arguments get made. I think 56 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: almost I don't buy into the fact that there's going 57 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: to be that much debate. I think most jurors have 58 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: already made up their minds and when they go in there, 59 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: I agree with you, I think it's highly unlikely that 60 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: they're going to change their opinions. I do think the 61 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: judge will go through the rigmarole of saying, hey, you 62 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: need to go back, let me read you the jury 63 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: instructions another time. It's strange to me that he's not 64 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: giving written copies personally of the jury instructions. That it's 65 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: very strange in my opinion. But I think it'll go 66 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: in the next week because I think we're going to 67 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:34,519 Speaker 1: have a hung jury. I think there's going to be 68 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: one or more jurors maybe I'm overly optimistic here, that 69 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: are going to look at this and say, what is 70 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: to me quite clear the elements of the crime were 71 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: not proven. You got two lawyers on this case. I 72 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: understand the pressure living in New York City. You understand 73 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: it better than anybody because you live there, and there 74 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: is going to be a lot of pressure to get 75 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: a guilty verdict. That's to me why De Niro and 76 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: Cruz showed up yesterday to try to just let it 77 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: be known that the pressure of effect was real. But 78 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: I think there's going to be that this case wasn't proven, 79 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: and I have faith that at least one in the 80 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: twelve jurors will actually apply the law and do what 81 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: we want a jury to do, which has examined the 82 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: facts and accurately apply the law. 83 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 2: I am warmed in my in my heart by Clay's 84 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 2: faith in the system. Sadly I do not share it. 85 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 2: So we'll see what ends up happening here. I hope 86 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 2: he is correct and that someone sees what's going on 87 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 2: and has the backbone. Don Junior was out there making 88 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 2: the case for his dad's funny. I think sometimes people 89 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 2: forget that, you know, Don Trump has them. Trump's a grandfather, 90 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 2: he's a father's a husband. 91 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: You know. 92 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:43,679 Speaker 2: It's this is this is a human being they're putting 93 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 2: through all this nonsense too, and Don Juior is understandably 94 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 2: both disgusted by all this and fired up about the 95 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 2: need to defend against it. 96 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 1: Play nine. 97 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 3: This is a sham. It's insane, and it needs to stop. 98 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 3: Because if you think for one second that this ends 99 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 3: with Donald Trump, you have not been watching what's going 100 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 3: on in the Democrat Party in the last few years. 101 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 3: They want power at any and all costs. Your rights 102 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 3: be damned. That can't stand. That can't happen. This sham prosecution, 103 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 3: this insanity, this abomination has to stop now. 104 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:20,039 Speaker 1: I think that's totally totally accurate. You go ahead, No, 105 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 1: I was going to say, and then we've got a 106 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,239 Speaker 1: couple of more clips. Also wanted to remind people Justice Alito, 107 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: other big news that is out there, legally has decided 108 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 1: that he will not step down. Another big legal story 109 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 1: that a lot of you have been following all charges 110 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: in Louisville dropped against Scottie Scheffler. But we've been talking 111 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: about to me, this is an easy case if you've 112 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 1: been paying attention to it. It hasn't been proven. And 113 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 1: NBC's Wara Jarrett says that she thinks the defense did 114 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: a really effective job making the case that this was 115 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: not a crime proven by the prosecution. Cut eleven. 116 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 4: I think the defense did a really effective job essentially 117 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 4: saying that idea that these records were falsified is, in 118 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 4: their words, just absurd. They said the way that they 119 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 4: actually put in the legal retainer language, which is the 120 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 4: thing that's actually false, is a drop down menu in 121 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 4: the accounting software trying to take the sting out of 122 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 4: the idea that this was some sort of criminal conspiracy. 123 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 1: I think that's important. And then one more I am 124 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: I'll readily admit if I'm wrong, but it'll take a 125 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: couple of years because unfortunately, in the event of a conviction, 126 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 1: the appeal process is not going to be rapid. But 127 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: Jonathan Turley is saying what I've been saying, which is 128 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: this case is going to get tossed. I put it 129 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: at one hundred percent. It's rare that I say, I'm 130 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 1: one hundred percent certain I think this case is going 131 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: to get tossed. I think there's several grounds. 132 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 2: But if it gets tossed next year, like, does that 133 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 2: really you know? 134 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: No, I think that's I think that's the That's why 135 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: I hope that there is a juror that will point 136 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 1: out that there was. 137 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 2: It's not really a silver like usually in a normal 138 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 2: criminal trial. I'm sitting here and saying, guys, this is 139 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 2: toast on appeal and we all know it. You're like, Okay, 140 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 2: so this guy's probably you know, he won't be in 141 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 2: prison pending appeal, and he'll be able to turn it. 142 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 2: But because this is an entirely time sensitive political exercise, 143 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 2: I don't think they can. I don't think Alvin Bragg 144 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 2: cares if it gets overturned on appeal. 145 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: That's kind of what I'm I get here on a 146 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: hundred percent right, And I think that's the Democrat party 147 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: calculus on all these cases is that they can brand 148 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: Trump as a convicted felon, and if that occurs, they 149 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: don't care what happens after the election, because if he wins, 150 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: he's president. Who cares if he loses? It just gets tossed. 151 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: But this is Jonathan Turley saying there are and I 152 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: agree with him, a ton of reversible errors in this case. 153 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: And this is cut a. 154 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 5: I think the choice to be a hung jury and 155 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 5: an outright conviction. I still think that this is such 156 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 5: a weak case. One has to give a nod to 157 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 5: a hung jury. But if there is a conviction, and 158 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 5: that would not necessarily supprise many of us, I know. 159 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 5: I don't think that this could make it through an 160 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 5: appeal before the election, at least to its final To 161 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 5: a final appeal, you can't just, I think, leap over 162 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 5: the New York appellate system try to get to the 163 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 5: Supreme Court. There are many, in my view, reversible errors here. 164 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 5: I think they're very serious. I think that Marshawn is 165 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 5: not going to be able to correct all of them 166 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 5: in these instructions. 167 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 2: And so I think his analogous is right. Again, I 168 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 2: just don't know how much it really ultimately matters, right. 169 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 2: I think that they're, you know, they're trying to get 170 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 2: him convicted so they can call him a convicted felon. 171 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:43,559 Speaker 2: But I don't think that's going to do very much. 172 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 2: And then we still have the reporting that we don't 173 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 2: spend a lot of time on because I don't think 174 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 2: that our brains can fully look into the world or 175 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 2: process ahead of time. If they actually try to put 176 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 2: Donald Trump in his self or any length of time, 177 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 2: like I know, we've discussed that it's possible, and people say, oh, 178 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 2: but what about the mugshot, And they've crossed all these 179 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 2: other rubicons, so there is no rubicon anymore. And I 180 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 2: get all of that, but there's something else at work here. 181 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 2: We've actually crossed into a very dark period for the country, 182 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 2: darker than it is right now. If Donald Trump is 183 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 2: incarcerated for any length of time now, it goes from 184 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 2: like a three to a four alarm fire. I don't 185 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,079 Speaker 2: know how many alarms is the max. I think it's five, right, 186 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 2: but it's like a four alarm fire situation if they 187 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 2: put Trump in prison. 188 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: I want to go back. We had a good caller 189 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: I think, at the end of the first hour, asking 190 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: how history would judge this, and we both both answered 191 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: it and we were going to break. But one hundred 192 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 1: years from now, I believe that precedent will matter far more, 193 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: and that all of the Democrats will be judged as 194 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: severely lacking here and some of you out there may 195 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: not have the same faith in the long reach of 196 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: history that I do. I'm a history nerd. I've been 197 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: reading all about this start of the American Civil War. 198 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:07,719 Speaker 1: Interesting book that's out about Fort Sumter from the guy 199 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: who wrote about in the Garden of the Beast. I 200 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: can't remember this guy's name. You know what I'm talking about. 201 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 1: He just wrote about book. Yeah, and he also just 202 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: wrote the book about the bombing campaign of Britain during 203 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 1: World War Larson, Eric Larson, has got a book out 204 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: about Fort Sumter in the start of the American Civil War, 205 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: and I'm about three hundred and fifty pages or so 206 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: into it. And I'm not endorsing that in one hundred percent. 207 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: I've read basically every major Civil war book there is. 208 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: Raggered alert, nerd alert. But it's interesting and over time 209 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: history gets it right as long as you have freedom 210 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: of speech and as long as you have basic freedoms 211 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: in a country, and I think we still will one 212 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: hundred years from now. I'm an optimist. And much like 213 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 1: you look back on let's say Korum, or you look 214 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: back on the dread Scott decision, and you say those 215 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: were horribly rendered justice opinions. I think the Supreme Court's 216 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: actually doing a pretty good job of handling the tempest 217 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 1: of the current moment and considering everything in the context 218 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: of larger precedent, and Democrats are not. They're allowing their 219 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:27,319 Speaker 1: emotions to rule. And as Benjamin Franklin said, when passions rule, 220 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: they often rule poorly, and I'm paraphrasing him there, and 221 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: I think that's what's going on with Democrats. I think 222 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: they have so convinced themselves that Trump is Hitler that 223 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: they have lost all conception of reality. And to be 224 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 1: fair to them, if you really did think that Trump 225 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: was Hitler, and I do believe that many of them 226 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: have lost their wits, there's almost nothing you would do 227 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: to try to stop Hitler. The problem is they've allowed 228 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: their emotional derangement associated with Trump to color their logic 229 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: and reason. And I think the Supreme Court has actually 230 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:05,319 Speaker 1: done a pretty good job handling many of these excesses 231 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 1: of the age. The problem is the Court often is 232 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,719 Speaker 1: happening months or years after the incidents themselves. So I 233 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: think history will judge Biden and the Democrats very poorly, 234 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 1: but we'll all be gone before we know. The ultimate 235 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: verdict of history, which is why I don't sit around 236 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: a lot worried about what people who I'm never going 237 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: to know are going to think about me. 238 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 2: Well, and what I meant to get to there we 239 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 2: were up against. The break is just if Trump manages 240 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 2: to win after all this. Yeah, these efforts are both 241 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 2: defeated and look pathetic, I think historically. 242 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 1: Well, it also depends on how good of a president 243 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: he is. Right if we go into World War three 244 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: and everything falls apart, that people will say I mean, honestly, 245 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: this was the biggest disappointment to me of Jan six, 246 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: not what actually happened, but because left wingers who had 247 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 1: said Trump is an evil dictator had something they could 248 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 1: latch onto to argue Trump is an evil dictator. Otherwise, 249 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: the whole four years of the Trump administration, of the 250 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: things that he controlled, did a really good job. He 251 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:09,079 Speaker 1: didn't it got screwed on COVID. Otherwise I think he 252 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: would have won comfortably in twenty twenty. Yeah, that's the 253 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: funny thing about all this. 254 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 2: If Trump wins again in a lot of ways, in 255 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 2: a lot of ways, not always, but you'd have a 256 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 2: pretty a pretty standard American presidency in you know, in 257 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 2: a lot of respects. 258 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: Yes, it wouldn't be as crazy. 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We had 295 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 2: discussed before the New York Times in death investigation of 296 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 2: the temporary appearance of an appeal to Heaven flag outside 297 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 2: of one of the Alito homes several years ago. This 298 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 2: was a very important start at the New York Times, 299 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 2: and they felt that Alito should recuse himself because you. 300 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: Know, they hate him. 301 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 2: Alito has already said he will not, And then we 302 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 2: started talking about this Appeal to Heaven flag. I mentioned 303 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 2: that it appeared, you know, in the John Adams HBO documentary, 304 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 2: and that it has roots in the American Revolution and 305 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 2: was used by Massachusetts as its maritime flag for a 306 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 2: period of years. But Clay has found something even more 307 00:15:54,440 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 2: shocking that in the most right wing, ultra right wing 308 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 2: nationalist precincts of America, apparently the appeal to Heaven flag 309 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 2: is still on public display on public property. Where did 310 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 2: they find an appeal to Heaven flag? 311 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: Clay exclusive, and I'm reading this from the San Francisco 312 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: Chronicle reporter, guess where else? The Appeal to Heaven flag 313 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: of the Alito Vacation Home fame flew in recent years 314 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: outside San Francisco City Hall until this past Saturday. So 315 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: they spent all this time telling you, oh my goodness, 316 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: this is a far right wing, completely unacceptable flag. It 317 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: flew outside of the San Francisco City Hall for decades, 318 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: and no one cared. 319 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 2: The flag flew for decades, decades outside of San Francisco 320 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 2: City Hall. Do you mean to tell me all this 321 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 2: time that San Francisco has been a hotbed of right 322 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 2: wing ultranationalist sentiment and an election denihilism. San Francisco has 323 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 2: been posing as some kind of a left wing loony 324 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 2: bin Clay. 325 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: They had us all fools. This is so perfect. Decades 326 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:27,919 Speaker 1: outside of the San Francisco City Hall, they tried to 327 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 1: tell you at the New York Times that this was unprecedented, 328 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:34,199 Speaker 1: that this flag was totally unacceptable. And of course what 329 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:37,199 Speaker 1: they'll say is and this whole thing is crazy, But 330 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:40,640 Speaker 1: they'll say, well, the flag has now been co opted 331 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: by people who come on, stop, just stop. A flag 332 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 1: can mean many different things to many different people. The 333 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: only flag that the Alitos flew that I was personally 334 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: offended by Philadelphia Phillies. I can't support that in any respect. 335 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:02,360 Speaker 1: Sell vote. 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I did want to mention this because 357 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 1: we talked about Justice Alito refusing to recuse himself, and 358 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: I'm sure this will factor in with you also in 359 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: your thoughts. Sometimes being the family member of the person 360 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 1: that is outspoken is super difficult. And I say that 361 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,880 Speaker 1: I've been buried for almost twenty years. You and I 362 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 1: Buck have an incredible privilege where we get to come 363 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 1: on the radio and say exactly what we think and 364 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 1: we're judged for what we say. But there are other 365 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:40,360 Speaker 1: people surrounding us, moms, dads, wives, kids, that also are 366 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: in the public eye, but don't have the opportunity to 367 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,680 Speaker 1: come and talk every single day to all of you. 368 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: So one of the things that strikes me about the 369 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: Alito case in general is, yes, Justice Alito is on 370 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court, but his wife also has the right 371 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: to have opinions. And so this idea in general, which 372 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: I see happening a lot where you're not even trying 373 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 1: to attack it happened to Amy Cony Barrett today with 374 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: Rolling Stone coming after who he represents as an attorney. 375 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 1: It is to me really unfair when the family member 376 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: is attacked and the family member is not in the 377 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 1: direct line of fire. Here whether and I'm not talking look, 378 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:33,239 Speaker 1: sometimes there are situations where the family member wants to 379 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:36,439 Speaker 1: be in the line of fire. Right, Hunter Biden is 380 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: trying to make as much money off his dad. He 381 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 1: owes his entire business to his dad. Existing Justice Alito's 382 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: family has a beach house because her mom, according to 383 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:50,919 Speaker 1: the letter, because the family got an inheritance, and the 384 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 1: wife decided she wanted to buy a beach house for 385 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: her family. She likes to fly flags, and they've tried 386 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:00,880 Speaker 1: to turn that into some incredibly ill intentioned and now 387 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 1: it's the same flags that San Francisco has been flying. 388 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:04,919 Speaker 1: It's just so fundamentally dishonest. 389 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 2: Well, they've they've done this many times, you know, they've 390 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 2: they pulled the whole thing where they've tried to say 391 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 2: the different hand gestures that people make for a whole 392 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 2: variety of reasons are actually like a white nationalist, Uh yeah, 393 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 2: white supremacists. 394 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: And the camera. 395 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 2: They've tried, like they've tried this so many times and 396 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 2: and you really, you can't make this stuff up. It's 397 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 2: beyond parody. They've even had to write articles they're. 398 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: Like, I'm scared by all the American flags I'm seeing 399 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: these days. 400 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 2: You know, some some shrill lib who doesn't currently have 401 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 2: a Ukraine flag to fly or a BLM square to 402 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 2: post or whatever, is terrified by American flags. But this 403 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 2: is nothing new. As I said, Claire, they've been they've 404 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 2: been going after Ginny Thomas, the Virginia Thomas, you know, 405 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 2: the wife of a justice Clarence Thomas forever. I mean 406 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 2: they they try to pressure family members. 407 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: You'll know. They never do this to left wing judges. 408 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: They're not. 409 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 2: They're never saying, oh, you know, the husband of or 410 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 2: the wife of so and so is in some way 411 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 2: grounds for a refusal of this. But this is one 412 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 2: of the games they play. It's just about power. They 413 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:15,919 Speaker 2: don't really care about any of the principles and and 414 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 2: anything having to do with refusal in any meaningful sense. 415 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: And then there's another. 416 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 2: One, doctor doctor Jill Biden. And as has been pointed out, 417 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,360 Speaker 2: she did not even do a doctoral thesis. She did 418 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 2: some other thing, which I think is pretty funny. But 419 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 2: she's speaking out on behalf of Joe Biden. I'm just 420 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 2: gonna say she's acting as a political surrogate here, right. 421 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 2: This is not this is not her, Yes, this is 422 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,400 Speaker 2: not like I don't want little kids to be fat 423 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,479 Speaker 2: in school, so let's have everybody eat healthier, or like 424 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 2: stop bullying. I think Milania Trump was like doing a 425 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 2: stop bullying campaign, right, Like I think first ladies or 426 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 2: first husbands in the case of Doug el Elmhoff or whatever. 427 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 2: I think that they're allowed to do eral interest things 428 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,880 Speaker 2: and you know, we shouldn't like spend time attacking them 429 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 2: for that. But the left doesn't play by any roles. 430 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,880 Speaker 2: They'll attack anybody who's a spouse of somebody on the right. 431 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 2: So that's I understand that. But here is doctor Jill 432 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 2: Biden taking a break from her rounds of cardiology at 433 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 2: a major hospital. I'm sure here she is telling everybody 434 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 2: that Trump can't even speak the sentences and stuff. Listen, Oh, 435 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 2: do I need to call. 436 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: For the numbers. 437 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 7: We are going to meet people where they are. We're 438 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 7: going to go to college campuses, We're going to go 439 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 7: to just every state that we can get into. I've 440 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 7: been traveling every single day. Joe has been traveling as 441 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 7: much as he's as possible. And we're not going to 442 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,880 Speaker 7: take anything for granted. And those polls are going to turn. 443 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,119 Speaker 7: I'm confident of it, because as time goes on and 444 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 7: as people start to focus a little bit more about 445 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 7: what's at stake and start to become educated on the 446 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 7: issues and the differences between the two men, I believe 447 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 7: that America are going to choose good over evil. 448 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 2: Good over evil. Hmm, That's that's what I mean. 449 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: That's whoa good over evil? For a first lady. To 450 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:24,199 Speaker 1: your point, Michelle Obama, Laura Bush, they really tried in 451 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: general to do things that were not particularly political. And 452 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: that's why typically the first lady's overall approval rating is 453 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 1: far higher than the president because they try to avoid 454 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 1: Milania too aggressively political commentary. Calling your opponents evil is 455 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 1: not the way to heal the soul of the nation. 456 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,919 Speaker 1: Remember when Joe Biden ran on twenty twenty with that 457 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 1: was the idea of what he was going to do, 458 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 1: and then he sends his wife out to the view 459 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: to say the polls are going to turn, which is 460 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: interesting because it acknowledges what you and I have been 461 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 1: saying for some time, which is things are not going 462 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: well for Joe Biden right now, and Trump is evil 463 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: and Trump's supporters are evil. That is, I think, not 464 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: going to strike many people very well. This is overtly 465 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: political in nature. It's extremely partisan's tearing down the opposition. 466 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:34,400 Speaker 1: Do you ever remember hearing Milania Trump describe the opponents 467 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: of her husband as evil? I don't. I don't remember 468 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:42,679 Speaker 1: Milania Trump out on the hustings, so to speak, making 469 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 1: the political arguments. I don't even remember. Michelle Obama or 470 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: Laura Bush floating comments like these in the twenty first century. Now, 471 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton is a little bit different because she is 472 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: a political figure in her own right. I mean, she 473 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 1: ran for sentence you're in and for president. Even when 474 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 1: Bill Clinton won election in ninety two and ninety six, 475 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 1: she was a very political figure. He put his wife 476 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: in charge of trying to fix healthcare all of those things. 477 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: So that's a whit hold on a brick. 478 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 2: But this is he Sorry, I know, I know, I'm 479 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,160 Speaker 2: totally I'm totally just sidetracking this here. I just saw 480 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 2: a video though, as I was trying to look for 481 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,199 Speaker 2: something else we're talking about. De Niro was wearing a 482 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 2: mask outside the court. 483 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: You didn't hear me talking about this yesterday. I was 484 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 1: making fun of him. 485 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 2: You did say this yesterday. I feel like I forgot then. 486 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 2: I didn't see the video. He's walking mask outside. Yeah, 487 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 2: that's one of the reasons why this was such a joke. Yesterday. 488 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 1: He showed up in an N ninety five surrounded by 489 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,679 Speaker 1: a crowd, took off the mask to address the crowd, 490 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,439 Speaker 1: and then at some point put the mask back on. 491 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: I just we talked about this. 492 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 2: Some bear Honestly, the mask is more It's a bigger 493 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 2: symbol at this point than dyed purple hair and seven 494 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 2: nose rings, Like it tells us everything we need to 495 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 2: know about your state of mind. 496 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: Well, and also we talked about this off air. This 497 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,159 Speaker 1: is when we started the show talking about how a 498 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: disastrous of a decision that was to have a Biden 499 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 1: Harris rally press conference effectively outside of the court yesterday. 500 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: But I think Joe Biden had to sign off on 501 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 1: this because I can't imagine if you're hemorrhaging support among 502 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: young voters and not doing well with black and Hispanic voters. 503 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: For instance, that Robert de Niro, eighty year old white 504 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,679 Speaker 1: guy who has been fairly a movie star for a 505 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: long time. That feels like someone that Joe Biden would 506 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 1: be impressed by in the same way that if you 507 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 1: told me forty years from now, you or I were 508 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,919 Speaker 1: president of the United States and I don't know we 509 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: had Chris Hemsworth show up as our advocate now eighty 510 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,879 Speaker 1: years old, I don't even know who's the most famous 511 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,239 Speaker 1: actor of roughly forty years old. Now, we don't have 512 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: superstars in the same way. I mean Tom Cruise is famous, 513 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,959 Speaker 1: but he's sixty. Like, who's the most famous forty year 514 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: old male actor in America right now? 515 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,680 Speaker 2: Is Aflac Gosling or one of those guys, right, who's 516 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:21,439 Speaker 2: the guy who plays Deadpool? That's Ryan Reynolds, Ryan Reynolds. 517 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 2: They're the same guy though they're the same. 518 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, but but yeah, I mean Deadpool. 519 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: They that might be the answer, the Ryan Reynolds. I 520 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,719 Speaker 1: think it's Ryan Reynolds, right, yeah, we actually found it's 521 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: a multi billion dollar company or it was like a 522 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 1: fairly smart guy. So maybe's famous. I'm saying his famous. Yeah, No, 523 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: I mean I think there aren't as many. I like 524 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 1: I think of male superstars. I'm like Denzel brad Pitt, 525 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 1: will Smith even though he's gone off the reservation. Uh, 526 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 1: you know, Tom Cruise. We aren't breeding and creating superstars 527 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 1: in film in the same way that we did in 528 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: past generations. Maybe DiCaprio is the answer, Leonardo Dicaprios. That hurts, 529 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: That hurts is the answer? 530 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 2: Though right it probably it probably for roughly our age, 531 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 2: DiCaprio is the most famous act Movies are not are 532 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 2: not the They were the dominant political I mean, sorry, 533 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 2: the dominant American art form. The most cultural impact I 534 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 2: think came from movies, certainly, I would say, you know, 535 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 2: maybe going back to the eighties until the maybe twenty 536 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 2: ten period. But the age of flat you know, fifty 537 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 2: inch inexpensive high death, flat screen streaming off of why 538 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 2: it's just changed. Man, I mean you talk I saw 539 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 2: your tweet on this. 540 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: You want to talk to this week? Come back. We'll 541 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: talk about it when we come back. Let's want to 542 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: go see movies for Memorial Day weekend, which is the 543 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 1: traditional start of the movie summer calendar. I mean I 544 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 1: I The last movie I went to. 545 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 2: Was Ferrari on my birthday, and I wanted to carve 546 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 2: my eyeballs out with a spoon because it was such. 547 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: A horrible movie. 548 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 2: And I'm like, what it costs like one hundred dollars 549 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 2: to go with my brothers and my dad. You know, 550 00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 2: the popcorn is garbage compared to what I can make 551 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 2: in two minutes at home. Yeah, and if I want 552 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 2: to go to the bathroom break, I pressed pause. 553 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Anyway, we should talk about this. 554 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: I do because I was super fired up. I got 555 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 1: the kids down here at the beach. I was like, 556 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 1: let's go see a movie. It's a Memorial Day weekend, 557 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: start of the summer blockbuster season, and I felt I 558 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: looked at the list of movies and I couldn't believe 559 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,479 Speaker 1: how awful they all looked. 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Oh, the movies, it's over with 613 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 2: the movies here for a second. I got to look 614 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 2: at where the movie theater stocks are because I got 615 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 2: to figure that it's going to be a tough time 616 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 2: for movie theaters going forward. It's when you add up 617 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 2: all that headache. First of all, the notion you have 618 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 2: to be somewhere at a certain set time even to 619 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 2: watch a movie. It's not a Broadway play like, it's 620 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 2: not quite the same kind of event. 621 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 1: I remember. 622 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 2: Back in the nineties early nineties going to a movie 623 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 2: with my family when it was first coming out, and 624 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 2: it was a big movie, like the first remember the 625 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 2: the Michael Keaton Batman. Oh n that was that was 626 00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 2: a huge movie when that came out. I remember going 627 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 2: to see Jurassic Park with my parents and my whole 628 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 2: family and seeing that the Zigfeld Theater in New York 629 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,400 Speaker 2: City and the giant speakers. 630 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:09,880 Speaker 1: And that was so cool. 631 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 2: Movies used to be an experience that you couldn't replicate 632 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 2: at all at home. Now you can, and you don't 633 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 2: have people talking. What is it with people think that 634 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,359 Speaker 2: when the when the music gets loud or the sound 635 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 2: gets loud, you can you get start to do the 636 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 2: loud whisper thing no no, no, and pulling their phones out, 637 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 2: and it's just it's you know, I don't know, I 638 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:33,920 Speaker 2: don't I don't go to I don't go to movies anymore. 639 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,359 Speaker 2: I'm kind of out. I watch movies I just don't 640 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 2: go to the movie theater anymore. 641 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 1: I love going to the movie theater. And staff looked 642 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 1: this up and and and crew confirmed that I'm gonding 643 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 1: you still do though, you still do still want taking 644 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:52,360 Speaker 1: my boys like to go see a movie, love the experience. 645 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 1: Uh even today, I would still I was one of 646 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 1: the diehards that would still be willing to go to 647 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,320 Speaker 1: the movie when everybody else was convinced they were gonna 648 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 1: die of COVID. I couldn't wait for the movie theaters 649 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 1: to be back open. I think they opened back up 650 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,239 Speaker 1: in like May or June where I am. I was 651 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 1: right back in the theater as soon as I could be, 652 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,719 Speaker 1: even when they were showing old eighties and nineties movies 653 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,720 Speaker 1: because they didn't have any new movies to be able 654 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 1: to watch. What was the uh was what was the 655 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 1: movie that came out that was like the first movie 656 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 1: to come back out after COVID? That was a I 657 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 1: know we had Top Gun Maverick, but the Interstellar guy. 658 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,400 Speaker 1: Uh didn't he come out with a movie? Is an inception? 659 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 1: Is that the movie that came out for? What was it? 660 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 1: No one who had it's It's Denzel Washington's son and 661 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,640 Speaker 1: it was about the theater getting taken over, and it's 662 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,719 Speaker 1: kind of a thriller and you could change. That was 663 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,240 Speaker 1: the first real new release to come back out after COVID, 664 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,319 Speaker 1: and I feel like that was I don't remember when 665 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 1: that came out, but I remember being super excited to 666 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 1: go see it. I wanted to go this weekend. I 667 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 1: got my phone out, I pulled up the Fandango app. 668 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 1: Movies to Fail. It's unbelievable how awful they were. 669 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,759 Speaker 2: Tenant is the movie that you're ten I al wish 670 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 2: I never saw. I know nothing about it. 671 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 1: It's good. 672 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,359 Speaker 2: I'm not making good movies anymore. But they're not making 673 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,239 Speaker 2: good movies because the whole industry has changed. Because people 674 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,000 Speaker 2: aren't paying twenty bucks a person to go sit in 675 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 2: the theater the way they used to. They want to 676 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,760 Speaker 2: sit at home and stream it. That's just the reality. 677 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,839 Speaker 2: My couch is so much more comfortable than a movie theater. 678 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,800 Speaker 1: I want to be in the movie theater with really 679 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,239 Speaker 1: good movies out again, like in the eighties and like 680 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 1: in the nineties. I think that Hollywood has just destroyed 681 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:43,319 Speaker 1: itself by being more concerned with politics than story. Just 682 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 1: get back to telling me good stories. That's all I want.