1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 1: High Strange is released weekly every Thursday, brought to you 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: absolutely free, but if you want to bene the whole season, 3 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: it's available right now on Apple Podcasts for all Tenderfoot 4 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: Plus subscribers. You'll also get exclusive bonus episodes throughout the season. 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 1: For more information, check out the show notes. Enjoy the episode. 6 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 2: There's some type of strange road light hill. 7 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 3: I saw, y'all a tang in it too. 8 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 4: Weird, It maybe a little bit funny. 9 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 5: Yes, it's be not aspat thrill is coming its way. 10 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 6: Also, it's definitely coming its way. It goes back out 11 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 6: into the farmer's field directly overhead a very high speed. 12 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 6: At least fifteen people in the weapons storage areas saw 13 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 6: the objects. 14 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 4: In the sky. 15 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 5: Here's something very very strange. 16 00:00:57,960 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 2: It's not aspen. 17 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 4: I said, let's try and approach it. 18 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 3: We move up to the edge of the forest, and 19 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 3: when we. 20 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:08,199 Speaker 6: Tried to get close, it went back out into the field. 21 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 6: They knew we were trying to get close. 22 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 3: It's kind of tourist house. 23 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 6: Sparks are coming off and so bright. 24 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 2: It was like looking at the sun coming down to 25 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 2: the ground. 26 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 6: This is beyond anything that we're familiar with. 27 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:37,759 Speaker 1: Welcome to high Strange. The year was nineteen eighty Suffolk, England. 28 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,119 Speaker 1: Tensions between Russia and the US were high. 29 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 7: There is imminent danger of some kind of Soviet military action. 30 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: There were two bases in eastern England ran by the 31 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: US Air Force. 32 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 7: This invasion is an extremely serious threat to peace. 33 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: They house the most advanced weapons in the world, there 34 00:01:56,480 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: ready for deployment at any second. Right around Christmas time 35 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: that year, the forest behind this US military base will 36 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: become the location of Britain's very own roswell event known 37 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: as the Rendlesham Forest incident. Charles Holt, a military commander 38 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: on the base, headed into the forest to investigate rumors 39 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: of lights in the sky when he experienced an encounter 40 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: of his own. This was the third night in a 41 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: row that separate military officers claimed to have experienced something 42 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: unexplainable in the forest. I reached out to one of 43 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: the witnesses from the first night. His experience is arguably 44 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:36,519 Speaker 1: even more bizarre than Halts. Forty years later, gathering these 45 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: different accounts, I'm hoping to try and piece together what 46 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: really happened here. 47 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 2: This guy, yeah, it's perfect for you. 48 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 3: This is Jim Piniston. 49 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:58,119 Speaker 2: So how many guys believe in UFOs. 50 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: At this point, I'm convinced that UFOs are not a 51 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: matter of believing, but rather the question is what are they? 52 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: There are outlier cases like this one that still puzzle 53 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: our government today. The real question we're asking ourselves is 54 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: do you believe these are extraterrestrial or are they some 55 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: other natural phenomenon we don't fully understand yet. Or are 56 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 1: these guys simply mistaking what they saw, embellishing their stories, 57 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: or just flat out making them all up. 58 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:28,519 Speaker 3: That's the real question here. 59 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 8: You've told this story a thousand times, I'd say over times. 60 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 2: We're fascinated about. 61 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 8: Story, and they don't have a story. Though I don't 62 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 8: have a story. The story sounds like something that you 63 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 8: read when you're in grade school. 64 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 9: What is it? 65 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 8: This is an investigation by the United States Air Force. 66 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 8: I'm December twenty sixth, nineteen eight. This is gonna be 67 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 8: a rough night sleeping tonight. Well, I could talk. I'm 68 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 8: talking about these are triggers. So everything you hear is 69 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 8: a trigger. Nothing, there's no way around it. What I 70 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 8: was seeing was stuff I had never encountered in my 71 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 8: life or since then. 72 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 2: In the trauma of dealing with it. 73 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 8: I've always been able to tell you everything it wasn't, 74 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 8: but there is a problem because of what wasn't. 75 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 2: I don't know what it was. 76 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 1: Jim's story begins on December twenty sixth, nineteen eighty, shortly 77 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: after midnight. 78 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 8: I was a fifth generation military at that time. I 79 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 8: was in charge of base security for Woodbreach. Our job 80 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 8: was to protect aircraft weapons plus the personnel on the base. 81 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 8: The night started pretty much as usual. I had done 82 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 8: my guard mount, which is a briefing that you give 83 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 8: your fifteen guys that are going to be working with you, 84 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 8: putting my stuff down and grabbing a cup of coffee. 85 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 8: Sarry mccaully says, did you hear that call on the radio? 86 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:03,160 Speaker 8: I said, no, I missed it. Central Security Control, our 87 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 8: control center is trying to get a hold of it. 88 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 8: We had a direct line. Talked to sargant coffee. He 89 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 8: was a senior controller. I said, well, what's going on? 90 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 8: He says, well, they'll brief you when you get out there. 91 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 8: He wouldn't tell me nfhone, which was odd. I'm being 92 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 8: dispatched for a situation. 93 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,919 Speaker 2: What it is? I don't know he wouldn't tell me. 94 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 2: I arrived at the east gate. 95 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 8: I contact the senior law enforcement patrolman staff Sargen, Bud Stephens. 96 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 8: He said, what's going on, Bud? He just sort of 97 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 8: points over maybe preiriy yards over to render some forest 98 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 8: adjacent to the gate. I could see lighting above the 99 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 8: forest and in the forest. I turned around to him 100 00:05:55,520 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 8: and said, well, what is it? He says, oh, inside 101 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 8: the forest you could see orange light. You see a 102 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 8: red light. You could see flickering like that. It would 103 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 8: appear to be a fire, like something's burning. But the 104 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 8: strange part of that, over the top of the canopy 105 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 8: of the forest, there was a bubble of light over 106 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 8: the top of it. But I see out there didn't 107 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 8: make sense to me at all. Whatever is there had 108 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 8: to be really lit up. So my question to a 109 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 8: Bud was, need to hear a crash, And he goes, oh, no, 110 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 8: it'll landed. There's no way helicopter or plane could ever 111 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:39,239 Speaker 8: land in that forest. 112 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: The trees and Redntlesoome Forest at the time were used 113 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: as a crop hundreds of trees planted about five feet 114 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 1: apart from each other, which would make it nearly impossible 115 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: for conventional aircraft to land there. He went back to 116 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 1: the east gate and called in to report what he 117 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:56,679 Speaker 1: was seeing in the forest. 118 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 8: Reached central security control. It's now security problem. 119 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 2: Five guys pick up. We got five guys online. 120 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 8: I says, well, I think this is a possible aircraft 121 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 8: crash in the forest. They lost contact. Was a unidentified 122 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 8: bogie on radar. They know where it came from. It 123 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 8: came from our ease. And all this stuff is happening megafast. 124 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 8: We were giving permission to go off base. We had 125 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 8: a crash kit. I pulled out the camera. Security control 126 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 8: was starting to break up and I couldn't really understand 127 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 8: what they were saying. 128 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: On base, they used repeating systems for their radios, which 129 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: allowed their walkies to cover a much longer distance. 130 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 3: Basically, there's never a dead spot. 131 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: But for the first time in his career on that base, 132 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: Jim was having trouble reaching the command post on his radio. 133 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 8: Even though I wasn't hearing nothing in the radio, I'm talking. 134 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 8: I'll get to the edge of the tree line was 135 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 8: coming out of the forest was a white light. It 136 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 8: was so intense that you couldn't really see anything inside 137 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 8: the center of that light. Started taking pictures. I could 138 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 8: feel static electricity on my face and skin. At first 139 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 8: I thought it was maybe adrenaline, but it continued. My 140 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:29,559 Speaker 8: movements felt labored, like walking waist deep and a pool 141 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 8: of water. I'm starting to wonder now, is this a rust? 142 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 8: Is this something out here to distract us? I started 143 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 8: to get worried. As I got to the edge of 144 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 8: the forest. I implemented a helping hand situation on the radio. 145 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 8: It's real and I'm unarmed. I used all the film up, 146 00:08:55,440 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 8: the camera started going out. This final burn, this bright 147 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 8: white light just exploded. I hit the ground. I was 148 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 8: getting very scared, very concerned for my. 149 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 2: Own well being. 150 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:16,959 Speaker 8: I know that what I'm seeing is nothing I trained for. 151 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 8: I personally thought, this is an unsurvivable situation. Everything out 152 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 8: there is something I haven't seen. Before I get up 153 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 8: off the ground, the white light started to dissipate, and 154 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 8: when it did, I could see nothing but this black aircraft, 155 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 8: this black triangular craft inside this white light. 156 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 3: Did you ever see anything like that before? 157 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 2: Craft like that didn't exist. 158 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: He pulled out his pen and notebook and started documenting 159 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: as many details as he could about what he was seeing. 160 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: Itself was warm to the touch, he described it feeling 161 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 1: very smooth like black glass. 162 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 8: Well, I looked the underneath it. I could see white 163 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 8: beams of light. There's three of them coming out from 164 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:16,439 Speaker 8: underneath the craft. I wonder if that's stable. I wanted 165 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 8: to secure, so I tried to move it, and I 166 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 8: pushed on it, tried to give it a shove to 167 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 8: see if it would move. This didn't move at all. 168 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 8: It was solid, fixed to the ground. Somehow, with this technology, 169 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 8: how can this be? I started to look for things 170 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 8: that aircraft needs to fly, exhausts and intakes and things 171 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 8: like that. There was void of all those things. There 172 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 8: was no openings, there was no crew compartment. I had nothing. Basically, 173 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 8: it was a flying brick. This thing couldn't fly. You 174 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 8: need all those things for craft to fly. 175 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 2: I go out to record all that stuff down in 176 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 2: my book. 177 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 8: The craft itself was warm to touch, smooth, glass like metal. 178 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 8: Still doing my security checks on the radio, but I'm 179 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 8: getting nothing back. During my interaction with the craft, the 180 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 8: air fell electric. I don't know how to explain that. Boy, 181 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 8: the hair was lifting in the back of the neck 182 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 8: and arms and face come back around and I could 183 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 8: see writing. 184 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,839 Speaker 2: On the side of the craft. That's a good thing. 185 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 8: I'm thinking, I'm hoping this says Nassai or something. As 186 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 8: I got closer, it was a writing light we had. 187 00:11:53,960 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 8: It was like gliffs. Victoria Bliss was put the emotion 188 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:03,199 Speaker 8: back into a panic. 189 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 2: What it looked like the writing. 190 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 8: There's five symbols. They were different shapes. The one that 191 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 8: stood out the most it was the one that was 192 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 8: above those five. There was another one which was larger 193 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 8: and had a circular a circle around it, and it 194 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 8: was a triangle with this huge circle around it, the 195 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 8: size of a big dinner plate. 196 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 2: The circle. 197 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 8: I put my hand on the circular triangle that was 198 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 8: above the other Gliss. All of a sudden, I have 199 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 8: a blinding, pure white light. I cannot see nothing else. 200 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 8: That eliminated all my visions. I start to see things 201 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 8: that don't make no sense at all. That more, things 202 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 8: that don't make those sense, like one and zeros and 203 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 8: things like that. 204 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 2: It terrified me. 205 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 8: I gained my wits back, lift my hand back off, 206 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 8: and it stops. 207 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 3: Was it in your head or physically there? 208 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 8: I was trying to determine whether or now it was 209 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 8: physically there or in my head? Okay, When I took 210 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 8: my hand off, that symbol I had my night vision, 211 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 8: which is impossible. I had perfect night vision once I 212 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 8: took my hand off the craft. After that happened with 213 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 8: the light, I was never going to touch that craft again. 214 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 8: All of a sudden, I started to see what I 215 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:48,439 Speaker 8: perceive as activity. All of a sudden, the color light 216 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,079 Speaker 8: that had dissipated inside the fabric of the cast started 217 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:53,439 Speaker 8: to come back and started moving around in the craft. 218 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 8: So I backed away for about ten feet. I got 219 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 8: on the ground, tried to dig a hole. I was 220 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 8: thinking that I had active something. When I touched it, 221 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 8: I thought I was going to explode. The craft started 222 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 8: powering up and moved back through the trees. It had 223 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 8: no air displacement at all. There's absolutely no sound. All 224 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 8: aircraft make noise. That's a fact. All of the flaps 225 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:33,479 Speaker 8: that all need either a propeller or intakes or exhaust, 226 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 8: or they can't fly. A few seconds later, it just 227 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 8: took off. It was gone in a blank of that eye. 228 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 8: After the craft departure, all of a sudden, I could 229 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 8: start hearing things. Immediately after it went out of site. 230 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 8: I could start hearing wind. I had full real contact. 231 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: Jim Penison was the head of security at the time, 232 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: not just some on duty guard, the head of security 233 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: on a US military base that held nuclear bombs ready 234 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: to drop on Russia at any given moment. He spent 235 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: his career in the Air Force and specialized in recognizing aircraft. 236 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: Multiple witnesses saw the same things over the course of 237 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: three days on the base. After the incident, Jim typed 238 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: a report recounting his experience, submitting it to the higher ups. 239 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: He took notes in his notepad and drew several sketches 240 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: of what the craft looked like. I got to see 241 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: these for myself and I'll post them on the High 242 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: Strange Instagram and TikTok. 243 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 3: Just go to at High Strange. 244 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: I'm no expert on anything aircraft related, but even to 245 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: the layperson, Jim's sketches of the aircraft looked nothing like 246 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: the US Air Force has then or now. 247 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 6: After I had my encounter in the forest, I went 248 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 6: back and talked to all the participants that were involved. 249 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 4: The first night. 250 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: Here's Charles Holtz again, the man who recorded the third 251 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: night of the incident on his tape. 252 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 6: Recorder, Peniston Burrows Cabana sack. They told me a cleaned 253 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 6: up version of what happened. 254 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 4: They were told what to tell me. 255 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 6: In fact, Cabanasak brought me a typed statement. He didn't 256 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 6: type it. He couldn't type words that he would not 257 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 6: have used. 258 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: Holtz seems to think, or is at least hinting at 259 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: the idea, that the reports submitted by his buddy were 260 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: merely a cover story. 261 00:16:57,520 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 4: Basically said, we saw the Lighthews. 262 00:16:59,320 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 2: I think. 263 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 5: The British tabloid press had a field day with reports 264 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 5: of the incident, with stories of flying saucers, mysterious lights, 265 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 5: and even aliens. The Times of London, however, dismissed the 266 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,959 Speaker 5: incident and poked fun at the other newspapers. It quoted 267 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 5: this man, Vince their Kettle, a forester who works near 268 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 5: the alleged landing site. Their Kettle told CNN that the 269 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 5: UFO was merely a beam of light from the nearby 270 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 5: Orford Lighthouse. 271 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 9: But if you didn't know as a lighthouse, if you short, 272 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 9: it was something small, maybe two three meters across, pulsing 273 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 9: white in the forest. Yes, it looks as if it's 274 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 9: within the trees, and it does appear to light up 275 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 9: the trees as well. 276 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:42,439 Speaker 1: When your senses are heightened, adrenaline pumping, and you're out 277 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 1: in the woods at night looking for something weird. Common 278 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 1: sense says there's a good chance you might find it. 279 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 10: I don't think we're ever going to get very far 280 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 10: with the Renation Forest incident. 281 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:57,400 Speaker 1: This is Mick West again, an investigative UFO skeptic. 282 00:17:58,119 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 10: I don't know if this is ever going to be 283 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 10: a determination of exactly what happened to that. I think 284 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 10: there are laws of all explanations a certain aspects of it. 285 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 10: There was a lighthouse, that's crazy. 286 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 2: It wasn't the lighthouse. I'm very familiar with. 287 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 6: The lighthouse, and the lighthouse is at orford Ness. Orford 288 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 6: Ness is a little small fishing village on the coast 289 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 6: out on the island. Two little pubs out there have 290 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 6: very good food and reasonable prices. I have pictures of 291 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 6: me standing here. The lighthouse is over there, and the 292 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:32,160 Speaker 6: object was out here. How could the lighthouse reflect off 293 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 6: the windows of the farmhouse when the lighthouse is two 294 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 6: or three miles out that way. 295 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: The lighthouse theory quickly became the easiest and most rational explanation. 296 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: But why would all these highly trained men interpret a 297 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: lighthouse as some strange foreign object. 298 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 3: Three days in a row. I mean, what's the point. 299 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: The lighthouse was always there anyway, a little strange to 300 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: suddenly take note of it and make a huge deal 301 00:18:58,040 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: out of it all. 302 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 5: The game warden was also familiar with the cars and 303 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,640 Speaker 5: dismissed the lighthouse theory outright. 304 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 7: At the moment, We're standing on the orphored key, and 305 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 7: quite clearly you can see the lighthouse over there flashing. 306 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 7: The light from the UFO was totally nothing like the 307 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 7: light from the lighters. 308 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 3: We know that people make mistakes. 309 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:23,640 Speaker 10: We know that people, even with the best of intentions 310 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 10: and with the best of observational abilities, can sometimes perceive 311 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 10: things to be other than the way they actually are. 312 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:35,640 Speaker 10: There are classic cases like the Cottingly Fairies, where these 313 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 10: two girls took photographs of fairies and they managed to 314 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 10: convince a whole bunch of people that these were genuine 315 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 10: photos of fairies, including Arthur Conan Doyle, who was a 316 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 10: big investigator of such things at the time. They stuck 317 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 10: to their story for decades. People once they buy into 318 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 10: a certain explanation, it's kind of difficult for them to 319 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 10: admit that they made stuff up. 320 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 3: Once they told the same. 321 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:06,400 Speaker 10: Story over and over again, it almost becomes like a memory. 322 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 10: They're not really lying as such, they're simply just telling 323 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 10: the same story, which happens to be false. 324 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: How could so many credible people from the military come 325 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: up with the exact same lie, the same exact misinterpretation 326 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:38,439 Speaker 1: of something so completely normal. What are the odds they 327 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 1: were all just mistaken or hallucinating. If their job is 328 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: to guard and protect a military base, and they're dreaming 329 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 1: of fantastical stories of foreign lights in the sky that 330 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 1: didn't actually exist, then that would be pretty concerning on 331 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: its own, wouldn't it. 332 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,679 Speaker 6: I met the lighthouse keeper, Keith Simmons, met him and 333 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 6: talk with him. Light house has three lenses, red and green, 334 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 6: shine out to sea and white to land. He said, 335 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 6: if you saw a red light, you couldn't have seen 336 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 6: the lighthouse. You had to be out the sea to 337 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 6: see the red lights. So people say that red light 338 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 6: you saw was the lighthouse. There's no way it's not 339 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 6: the lighthouse. The lighthouse is in a different location, twenty 340 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 6: five or thirty degrees away. There's agencies that have a 341 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 6: whole lot more information in what they're reviewing. The following 342 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 6: week from the incident, an unmarked plane came normally went planes, 343 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 6: even the U two's and SR seventy one, which occasionally 344 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 6: dropped them when they had a problem. We provided security 345 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:41,239 Speaker 6: for this plane, provided their own security and had their 346 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 6: own people in uniform which were not Air Force uniforms. 347 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 3: Unmarked planes are not unheard of. 348 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: There's a company known as Janet Airlines that shuttles employees 349 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 1: from the Las Vegas Airport to Area fifty one. You'd 350 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: at least think that if unmarked planes full of unknown 351 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 1: uniformed employees were landing on the based to collect information 352 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 1: day whoever they are seem to find this incident just. 353 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 3: A little bit interesting. 354 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: Seems like a lot of extra unnecessary work for a lighthouse. 355 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 6: It was obvious nobody else was going to investigate. Nobody 356 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 6: else was going to do anything, even though they did 357 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 6: do things in the background, behind the scenes, so to speak. 358 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 6: So I didn't know anybody else was in the background 359 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 6: playing games. I didn't know any of this. I wasn't 360 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:29,919 Speaker 6: told to be quiet. It was sort of inferred that 361 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 6: I should be quiet, and I already knew that. But 362 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,919 Speaker 6: I still got to three and four star endorsements on 363 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 6: my report cards and still got promoted because they knew 364 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 6: it was credible. 365 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: When it comes to trolls Holts. I'll be honest, it's 366 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:45,880 Speaker 1: hard not to believe him. 367 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 6: I get disappointed with all the disinformation that's out there, 368 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 6: but I can't know anything about it except just tell 369 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 6: the truth. 370 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,360 Speaker 1: He doesn't claim to know what he saw that night, 371 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,640 Speaker 1: but that it was certainly something they were beyond unfamiliar with. 372 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 6: I have not ever said I saw a little green man. 373 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 6: I never saw any entity that I could identify. I 374 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 6: know what I saw, but I don't know what it was. 375 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 6: I'd sure like to know. So Obviously, whatever we're seeing 376 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,919 Speaker 6: in the sky has the ability to do phenomenal things 377 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 6: change shape, change size, change calor going phenomenal speed, do 378 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 6: things that we just can't even imagine. 379 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: He wrote down in his own memo that he and 380 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 1: several other military personnel saw multiple objects in the sky, 381 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: a quote redlight sun object that pulsed and shed into 382 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:39,360 Speaker 1: particles before splitting into five separate white lights and then 383 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: disappearing in the sky. It's hard to imagine someone of 384 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 1: sound mind running around with a cassette recorder chasing a 385 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: stationary lighthouse all night. The tape itself feels genuine. It 386 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,199 Speaker 1: sounds like they really don't know what's going on. 387 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 2: I wish I knew more, but I don't. 388 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 4: I am firmly convinced that we're not alone. 389 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 6: I can tell that, but I don't know what we're 390 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 6: faced with. 391 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,880 Speaker 1: Charles Holt went on to investigate the supposed landing site 392 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 1: of the unknown aircraft, and he found indentations in the 393 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: frozen ground, So something, whatever it was, had to have 394 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,360 Speaker 1: physically been there, or someone went out of their way 395 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 1: to make it look like there was. That feels like 396 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 1: we're entering conspiracy land a little bit. Holt and his 397 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 1: crew members also took Geiger counter readings. They found the 398 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 1: radiation on the indentations in the ground were significantly higher 399 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: than the background, and while they were examining the site, 400 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,679 Speaker 1: they were interrupted by their own firsthand ufhoe encounter, and 401 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 1: each time they made an attempt to get closer to it, 402 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,120 Speaker 1: the object moved further away from them. 403 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 3: Never once device in a lighthouse move. So what else 404 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 3: could these things be? Exactly? 405 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: Were they truly under intelligent control? Are they extraterrestrials, aliens, spirits, 406 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: ai from the future. I could go on and on, 407 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 1: or is it none of those things at all? Something 408 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: simpler and much more rational, but easily misinterpreted as something strange. 409 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:04,920 Speaker 3: However you feel about it. 410 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: A case like the Reynolsome forest incident is a hard 411 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 1: one to just blindly dismiss as nothing at all. 412 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 4: Let's take a step back. 413 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 11: Forget the X files, forget popular culture and all the 414 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 11: alien visitation and stories. 415 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 3: Here's political journalist Brian Bender. 416 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 4: Take this at face value. 417 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 11: Sightings reported by credible people over sensitive facilities, and we 418 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,120 Speaker 11: don't know what they are, just an air safety hazard. 419 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 11: The military should probably try to find out what those 420 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 11: things are, if for nothing else, to protect its own personnel. 421 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 4: Our job is to protect our troops. 422 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 11: If our troops are seeing things that they think are 423 00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:01,719 Speaker 11: potentially dangerous or is upsetting to them, it's our job 424 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 11: to do whatever we can do to figure out what 425 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 11: that is. Let's get scientists together and deal with what 426 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 11: can potentially. 427 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:09,919 Speaker 4: Be a safety hazard. 428 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 11: If we really want to maximize our resources, let's get 429 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,360 Speaker 11: the government to be more transparent, share more of what 430 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 11: it might have and its ability to gather more data. 431 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 11: You know, maybe not publicize all of that, but what 432 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 11: if you shared that data with some scientists. If what 433 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 11: we get out of this is a society where we 434 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 11: pride ourselves on the search for knowledge. This is a 435 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 11: topic that fits squarely into that. A whole new generation 436 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 11: of people can put their minds to this see if 437 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 11: they can find more answers than their fathers or grandfathers 438 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 11: or great grandfathers could. 439 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 4: That would be a real victory. 440 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 11: We're at a time in human history where technology is advancing. 441 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 11: Assuming we can harness the technologies and they don't kill 442 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 11: us first, I think it'd be a victory if there 443 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 11: was a real career path, approach UAPs as a discipline 444 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,399 Speaker 11: and be successful. That's the way to get down the 445 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:19,640 Speaker 11: road of knowledge. 446 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 1: In nineteen fifty an article was published in True magazine 447 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:28,199 Speaker 1: titled The Flying Saucers Are Real. It was written by 448 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 1: former pilot and retired Marine Major Donald Keho. Donald Kehoe 449 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 1: is likely the very first citizen researcher of UFOs. Unlike 450 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: most of his peers at the time, he didn't rely 451 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,919 Speaker 1: on the government to provide him all the answers, but 452 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: instead embarked on his very own investigation. At first, Keyho 453 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 1: was admittedly very skeptical that any of these reported sightings 454 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:56,639 Speaker 1: were something extraordinary, but after speaking to countless witnesses. 455 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 3: In numerous high ranking military officials. 456 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,880 Speaker 1: He became convinced that some of these UFO sightings were 457 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:03,160 Speaker 1: of unearthly origin. 458 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 3: Keiho would go on. 459 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: To sell millions of books about the UFO mystery, and 460 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: his diligent approach to the subject helped create a much 461 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: more pragmatic conversation that still exists to this day. The 462 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: road to knowledge is a long one, filled with roadblocks 463 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 1: and potholes. But if we stopped looking to the military 464 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,440 Speaker 1: to provide us all the answers and instead turned to 465 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 1: independent scientists from around the world who can collect all 466 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 1: their own data, we might have a much better shot 467 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: at the truth. 468 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 12: When we say the size of the universe, that's the 469 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 12: size of the region that we can see. The universe 470 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 12: is expanding, so if we go back in time, it 471 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 12: was denser. Back in time. Eventually you get infinite density. 472 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 12: That is the Big Bang when the density was infinite. 473 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 12: So that's the beginning of time thirteen point eight billion years. 474 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: This is Abby Lobe, professor of science at Harvard University. 475 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 12: Within that volume that we can see, which is basically 476 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 12: the distance that light could have traveled in thirteen point 477 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 12: eight billion years, there are about a trillion galaxies. 478 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 2: Like the Milky Way. 479 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 12: Within the Milky Way galaxy, there are tens of billions 480 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 12: of stars. You have more habitable planets like the Earth 481 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 12: than there are grains of sand on all beaches on Earth? 482 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 12: Are twenty one just a huge number? 483 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 3: Well, that's a brain buster for you. 484 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 4: The chance of. 485 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 12: Us being specially and unique is extremely smart. We know 486 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 12: that most of the stars formed ten billion years before 487 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 12: the present time, and the Sun only four point six 488 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 12: billion years ago. Most stars like the Sun formed billions 489 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 12: of years before the Sun. 490 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: Most planets that are habitable would be orbiting stars that 491 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: are billions of years older than ours. Of these tens 492 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: of billions of stars, many of them have what we 493 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: call Goldilock zones, a fancy term for the areas that 494 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: contain habitable planets like Earth. As of today, we've found 495 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 1: fifty nine of the estimated eleven billion planets that could 496 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: be inside these Goldilock zones. 497 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 12: If the technological clock started ticking around the same time 498 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 12: as here, then the civilizations predated us. I think that 499 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 12: it's very likely there could be probes visiting us. They 500 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 12: had plenty of time to send probes that would fill 501 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 12: up the Milky Way Galaxy. Most likely there was a 502 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 12: scientist smarter than Albert Einstein on another planet who existed 503 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 12: a billion years ago. They could have launched probes that 504 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 12: arrived to us by now. And that's what we are 505 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 12: trying to find out. Let's find the smartest kid in 506 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 12: our interstellar class of intelligent civilizations. We can learn from 507 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 12: that kid. What Sherlock Holmes would say is never eliminate 508 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 12: any suspect, any possibility. Put all of them on the table, 509 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 12: and if you eliminate them one by one, whatever it 510 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 12: means must be the truth. At the same time, you 511 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 12: have those scientists that don't want to touch it ridicule, 512 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 12: which is also wrong. The correct thing to do is 513 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 12: to collect enough evidence such that we will be convinced. 514 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 12: The pan Star's Telescope in Hawaii was constructed to find 515 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 12: near Earth objects. 516 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 1: Since two thousand and eight, the pant Star's Telescope in 517 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 1: Hawaii has been using astronomical cameras and telescopes to track 518 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 1: moving objects in the sky. Near Earth objects, the kind 519 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 1: that Hollywood loves to make movies with. Bruce willis about 520 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: big asteroids that could potentially wipe out the planet. 521 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad that someone is doing this. 522 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: I mean, remember what happened to all those dinosaurs. 523 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 12: The hard purpose of it was to find ninety percent 524 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 12: of all the objects bigger than one hundred and forty 525 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 12: meters the size of a football field. 526 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 1: On October nineteenth, twenty seventeen, the telescope spotted an objects 527 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: roughly twenty one million miles away. 528 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 12: Here was an object that passed close to Earth, within 529 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 12: a sixth of the Earth's sund separation and was about 530 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 12: the size of a football field. 531 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: The data they were receiving started splitting the science community. 532 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: Its characteristics were different. It didn't seem to look or 533 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: behave like a typical space rock. It's believed to be 534 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 1: somewhere between three hundred and three thousand feet long, and 535 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: avi Low became increasingly convinced that the object was of 536 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 1: interstellar origin. It was given the name a Mua Mua, 537 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 1: and it's likely the first object we've ever seen from 538 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 1: outside our own Solar system. Because of its unusually high 539 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: speed and trajectory, scientists became convinced that it came from 540 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 1: somewhere else, somewhere. 541 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 3: Far far away, but where exactly. 542 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 1: The more data they collected, the more science pointed to 543 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 1: the possibility that this wasn't a rock at all, and 544 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 1: maybe it was actually a piece of machinery. 545 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 12: They flagged it and then they measured its speed and 546 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 12: they realized, oh, it's moving too fast to be bound 547 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 12: to the Sun. It's actually interested up. The more we 548 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 12: found about it, the more unusually it looked. And I said, well, 549 00:33:55,800 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 12: maybe it's artificial. They said, no, this must be natural, 550 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 12: and then try to explain that anomali is and always 551 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,719 Speaker 12: concluded that it's something that we've never seen before. 552 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 1: According to NASA, they concluded the object has vents on 553 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,839 Speaker 1: its surface that emit jets of gases, giving it a 554 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 1: non gravitational boost in its speed. Because of how insanely 555 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 1: forward is from Earth, all we can see with our 556 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: own eyes is a little speck of light, so the 557 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 1: shape itself was. 558 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:23,840 Speaker 3: Determined by its light curves. 559 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 1: On a graph, a muahmua is said to be ten 560 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 1: times longer than it is wide, like a pancake. Astronomers 561 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 1: have never seen an object with such extreme proportions at 562 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,719 Speaker 1: this rate of speed inside our solar system. 563 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 12: My colleagues suggested that maybe Omua Mua, this first object 564 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 12: from twenty seventeen maybe it's a hydrogen iceberg, a nitrogen iceberg, 565 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 12: or a dust bunny. I noticed that the object is 566 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:53,880 Speaker 12: so unusual that it couldn't be a rock or a comet. 567 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 12: It was moving too fast to be bound to the sun, 568 00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,360 Speaker 12: and astronomers at first thought that it's a rock that 569 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 12: originated from another star. As we collected more data, it 570 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,839 Speaker 12: looked very strange because the amount of sunlight reflected from 571 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,240 Speaker 12: it changed by a factor of tennis. It was stumbling 572 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,880 Speaker 12: every eight hours. That's very unusual. It means that it 573 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,279 Speaker 12: had a very extreme shape. 574 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,280 Speaker 1: It's either the weirdest space rock scientists have come across, possible, 575 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:25,920 Speaker 1: likely even or it's something different, possibly even artificial in origin. 576 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 12: And other people said, oh, well, maybe it's a rock 577 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 12: of a type that we've never seen before. And I said, well, 578 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 12: if that's the case, it could be also artificial origin. 579 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 12: It was not a comet. It just shows that the 580 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,880 Speaker 12: game is not fair. A fair game should be to say, 581 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 12: this object does not appear to be a comet. We 582 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 12: didn't see any evidence for that. It could be something unusual. 583 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,440 Speaker 12: It could be a rock of a type we've never 584 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,800 Speaker 12: seen before, which some people claim that's fine, but don't 585 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 12: call it a comet. It's at the core of the 586 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,879 Speaker 12: way that experts respond to unusual things. They basically want 587 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 12: them to conform with what they knew before. There was 588 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,440 Speaker 12: plenty of time for probes to arrive to us. Some 589 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,480 Speaker 12: of them may be equipped with artificial intelligence. Some may 590 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 12: look like a space trash if they're not functional anymore. 591 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 12: What my colleagues in the scientific community are doing is wrong. 592 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 12: They are eliminating the artificial origin possibility just because it 593 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 12: would have huge implications if it's right. 594 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 1: In nineteen fifty an Italian physicist name Enrico Fermi, the 595 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 1: creator of the nuclear reactor, was on a lunch break 596 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,400 Speaker 1: with his coworkers. He was discussing in the recent UFO 597 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,880 Speaker 1: sightings in New Mexico, and he randomly blurted out, where 598 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,959 Speaker 1: is everybody? This question inspired him to do the math. 599 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 1: If aliens do exist, well, then why haven't we all 600 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:02,879 Speaker 1: seen them yet? 601 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:04,839 Speaker 3: I mean, what are they waiting for? 602 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:10,080 Speaker 1: Fermi's calculations concluded that if they were real, then we 603 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 1: would have been visited a very long time ago and 604 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,800 Speaker 1: many times over since then, and out of the billions 605 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 1: of planets potentially growing civilizations, there should have been some 606 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 1: evidence of them by now, But where are they? Why 607 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 1: haven't they made contact if the probability is so damn high. 608 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:31,279 Speaker 1: This concept became known as the Fermi paradox. Today, in 609 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,840 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, we need some way to prove that 610 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,560 Speaker 1: there is other intelligent life in the universe, or that 611 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:37,320 Speaker 1: there just isn't. 612 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 3: You could look at this two different ways. 613 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,839 Speaker 1: To me, the easy, more ignorant approach is the whole Well, 614 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,360 Speaker 1: why haven't they reached out to us yet? To me, 615 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,799 Speaker 1: that screams were so special, I'm offended, why haven't you 616 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 1: introduced yourselves yet? If aliens were in fact real, and 617 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,680 Speaker 1: it could travel to Earth from places so far away 618 00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,719 Speaker 1: that we literally can't see them with our most advanced telescopes, 619 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,240 Speaker 1: then that would clearly mean they are incredibly more advanced 620 00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 1: than us. In this case, we're like the cavemen in 621 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,600 Speaker 1: the universe in terms of interstellar travel. Earth is like 622 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,680 Speaker 1: a little ant hill in the forest. How often do 623 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:14,279 Speaker 1: you sit down next to an ant hill in the 624 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,200 Speaker 1: middle of the woods and introduce yourself to them? Unless 625 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 1: you're high on shrooms, and unless you're an asshole, you're 626 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,000 Speaker 1: not going to step on the ant hill and destroy 627 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,160 Speaker 1: it either it's best just to leave them be. They're 628 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,680 Speaker 1: doing their own thing out there, with their own colony, 629 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,879 Speaker 1: their own system. Now, if the ants started talking to us, well, 630 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,160 Speaker 1: that might change things of it, and I would definitely 631 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:39,320 Speaker 1: need the number for your shrooms guy. So if extraterrestrials 632 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,320 Speaker 1: haven't gone out of their way to contact us, maybe 633 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:46,200 Speaker 1: we should try contacting them. Both the Voyager one and 634 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,359 Speaker 1: two space probes created by NASA carried a type of 635 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,920 Speaker 1: time capsule on board for this very same reason. In 636 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,680 Speaker 1: the event that some other civilization out there found the 637 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,720 Speaker 1: space probe inside, it would be our own little message 638 00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,080 Speaker 1: in a bottle contains a gold plated copper twelve inch 639 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,719 Speaker 1: record with instructions on how to play it written in 640 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,920 Speaker 1: binary code. We probably should have waited for the iPod 641 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:12,360 Speaker 1: to come out, but hindsight's always twenty twenty. The concept 642 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:16,440 Speaker 1: of making contact with extraterrestrials is something that's inspired the 643 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,799 Speaker 1: greatest science fiction movies of our time, and while it's 644 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,480 Speaker 1: held its place in popular culture, it's also been the 645 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,960 Speaker 1: focus of many great scientists of our time, and not 646 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:30,479 Speaker 1: just the science community, but civilians too. One man named 647 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,440 Speaker 1: John Sheppard spent his whole life building a machine to 648 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:34,279 Speaker 1: make contact with. 649 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,240 Speaker 3: Ets, and he believes it actually happened. 650 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:42,040 Speaker 13: The heart of Project strat is the broadcast operation. There 651 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:45,719 Speaker 13: are sixty thousand voltes running through his basement, powering a 652 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:50,279 Speaker 13: signal that's been straight out into space. The possibility that 653 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 13: something out there might hear and perhaps respond, keeps John going. 654 00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,400 Speaker 1: John lives in a quaint little town in northern Michigan. Now, 655 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,040 Speaker 1: for over thirty years, he has literally been trying to 656 00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,920 Speaker 1: contact aliens, send. 657 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:11,880 Speaker 14: And now a signal, trying out a lure, trying to 658 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 14: get some more information by luring the men close enough 659 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:20,600 Speaker 14: to get accurate electronic measurements, some hard data, something on instruments. 660 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,600 Speaker 1: He built a radio transmitter so enormous that it took 661 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,720 Speaker 1: up two floors of his house, with generators the size 662 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:33,320 Speaker 1: of cars, an unbelievably powerful homemade machine you'd only expect 663 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:38,000 Speaker 1: to find at NASA. After decades of beaming signals into space, 664 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:43,000 Speaker 1: collecting data, and tweaking his instruments, one night he experienced 665 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,879 Speaker 1: something that remains hard to rationally explain to this day. 666 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,600 Speaker 1: After years of sending his own signals into space, he 667 00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:51,720 Speaker 1: was suddenly getting something back. 668 00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,840 Speaker 14: Contacted our local Sheriff's firement. They sent out a deputy. 669 00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,120 Speaker 14: I showed him on the cell scope screen what was coming. 670 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:04,319 Speaker 1: On a frequency on the machine that was far more 671 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:10,600 Speaker 1: than just some strange anomaly. Something was out there intentionally 672 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:11,239 Speaker 1: causing it. 673 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,640 Speaker 14: There shouldn't be that other frequency in there. That's not 674 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:20,719 Speaker 14: part of it. Something caused that amount of energy. I 675 00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,920 Speaker 14: think something was attractive for. 676 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,120 Speaker 2: The spaceship nor space conditions. The White legend in a 677 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:34,759 Speaker 2: habitat and states like a rich smokers, I ain't need. 678 00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:38,319 Speaker 3: A weed player, didn't take a lean it. She been 679 00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:38,799 Speaker 3: on there Gen. 680 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,279 Speaker 2: This is a bean back. I've been going Gene because 681 00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,880 Speaker 2: her cool. Right now she was over. She was pending 682 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:45,440 Speaker 2: up to Japan. 683 00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:49,239 Speaker 15: The bands of very T shirt sleeve button our top 684 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,719 Speaker 15: ten of bird riding. Then you whether you gotta being 685 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,400 Speaker 15: down and saying the pear peller. We spend a diecop 686 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:55,919 Speaker 15: and God sweaters drive. 687 00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,680 Speaker 3: John n and nine helped. It was booming out of guys. 688 00:41:58,719 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 7: We are not the devil. 689 00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,520 Speaker 1: High Strange is an eight part series released weekly for 690 00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,320 Speaker 1: free every Thursday. But if you'd like to binge the 691 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:11,360 Speaker 1: whole series right now, you can subscribe to Tenderfoot Plus 692 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,239 Speaker 1: on Apple podcasts. 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