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Speaker 1: a National Championship game tonight, and so you know, just
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Speaker 1: Will McClay Dallas Cowboys News of the day. Will McClay
Speaker 1: is on the list for the Houston Texans as a
Speaker 1: possible general manager candidate. Yeah, is there actually news of
Speaker 1: the day. I feel like the news of the weekend
Speaker 1: was Yeah, well we'll see. Well, I'll turn it into
Speaker 1: some news of the day, because I did visit with
Speaker 1: Will this morning, said bringing something new to this, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's nothing new to report from last night. His statement
Speaker 1: he's still waiting on the Texans. As of eight thirty
Speaker 1: this morning, he was still waiting on the Texans to
Speaker 1: get in touch with him. Will is a Houston native,
Speaker 1: went to school at Rice, has family in the area.
Speaker 1: This seems like a very good opportunity for him to
Speaker 1: interview for a team. I don't know how you guys feel,
Speaker 1: but you keep turning these jobs down. They're not going
Speaker 1: to call you anymore, and there's only so many of them,
Speaker 1: and I feel like that Will again, Cowboy fans have
Speaker 1: grown to appreciate what he's been able to do. Feel
Speaker 1: like the drafts have been better. I feel like the
Speaker 1: organization itself and player personnel has been better. He feels
Speaker 1: like he probably needs to work a little bit on
Speaker 1: the pro side what they need to do with some
Speaker 1: of the guys you know in free agency, But overall,
Speaker 1: I think that they have a better direction with the
Speaker 1: way the boards set and some of the players that
Speaker 1: they've been able to grab here under his watts. So
Speaker 1: let's keep an all keep an eye out on Will McClay.
Speaker 1: I'm sure Dallas Cowboys dot Com will have that information
Speaker 1: when it becomes available. Brian, what do you always say
Speaker 1: about the triangle. Yeah, Will is very good at the
Speaker 1: triangle and working in this organization. I understand the triangle myself.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to put myself in Will mcclay's shoes,
Speaker 1: but my boss, Larry Lacewell back in the day used
Speaker 1: to describe it as that way, and Will understands that too.
Speaker 1: It's the point of the triangle of the Joneses. On
Speaker 1: one end is the Scouts and the other end are
Speaker 1: the coaches. I think Will's in the middle of the triangle.
Speaker 1: He does a great job of making sure that all
Speaker 1: three groups are on the same page and not just
Speaker 1: the draft, not just a draft, everything right and now.
Speaker 1: I think that's one of the great strengths of Will
Speaker 1: McClay is his ability to not just always pacify one group,
Speaker 1: but keep all the groups together. And I think he's
Speaker 1: got a great strength of that. He understands he's a
Speaker 1: former coach, he understands their side of it. The Scouts,
Speaker 1: he understands that side of his Will and the Jones
Speaker 1: he's trying to educate them on what they need to do.
Speaker 1: Jones has been at this a long time, but still
Speaker 1: need education. This is going to be interesting because this
Speaker 1: is not the first time that Will's name has been
Speaker 1: mentioned in regard to one of these situations. I think Detroit,
Speaker 1: he was kind of thrown out there, and the Jets
Speaker 1: was another one, and those got shot down really really quickly,
Speaker 1: Whereas he took the time to come out and say
Speaker 1: himself in his own words that he hasn't heard anything.
Speaker 1: He's not going to comment on it, right, He's waiting
Speaker 1: for them, waiting for them, That's what he said. So
Speaker 1: he had the opportunity to shoot this down and he didn't.
Speaker 1: So I mean that says something to me. That says
Speaker 1: I mean, he at least wants to talk to him,
Speaker 1: He at least wants to see what it's all about.
Speaker 1: Knowing Will at least a little bit. I can't imagine
Speaker 1: an opening in the NFL that's more appealing to him.
Speaker 1: This is other than other than where he's at. I mean,
Speaker 1: you talk about that's where he's from, proximity to family,
Speaker 1: easy to deal with his family here, considering it's a
Speaker 1: short flight right Houston Dallas, and they're pretty well set
Speaker 1: up for the future between all the pieces that they
Speaker 1: have on defense, and they look like they found themselves
Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback. Uh it looks like a very favorable
Speaker 1: situation to step into our scouting. Boddy to the right says, hey,
Speaker 1: they don't have a one into two this year. Though
Speaker 1: that's fair, i'n't going to keep in mind, but no,
Speaker 1: I mean you want to not having not having a
Speaker 1: one in a two can be offset by the fact
Speaker 1: that you have one of the most electrifying quarterbacks in
Speaker 1: the league. Yeah, you just you want to have long
Speaker 1: term lenses. And regardless if he actually wants his job
Speaker 1: or not. Pro tip, go on an interview. It's got experience. No,
Speaker 1: he's especially for a general manager position like that, So
Speaker 1: absolutely make them not hire you. Not only that, it's
Speaker 1: good experience, and it probably makes the people in this
Speaker 1: building appreciate you a little bit more if you're talking
Speaker 1: about I think, I think the Jones just do appreciate you. Oh,
Speaker 1: I know that, and I know I'm not taking a
Speaker 1: how much you But anyway, that is the news of
Speaker 1: the day. Okay, let's get into these um, I want
Speaker 1: to get into bold predictions. It's very early. January eighth, Yeah,
Speaker 1: January eighth. You know, like I said, we've got to
Speaker 1: have a national championship game tonight, Bowl predictions about this draft,
Speaker 1: and I ask you guys to come up with just
Speaker 1: a couple because I want this to go on record
Speaker 1: early and then when it if it happens, then when
Speaker 1: that when we're sitting here trying to kill time between
Speaker 1: picks during the draft, I want to remind people about
Speaker 1: that exact thing. So Dane Burglar, I'll start with you. Okay,
Speaker 1: give me one bold prediction. I want two from each
Speaker 1: of you, and I'm gonna have two my own, but
Speaker 1: give me one Bowl prediction in this draft. One of
Speaker 1: the best offensive playmakers from this draft in the NFL
Speaker 1: will be a young man from New Mexico State, Joliel Scott,
Speaker 1: wide receiver. About that there might not be a better
Speaker 1: player in the country at high pointing and winning at
Speaker 1: the catch point. He's a big guy, right, huge guy.
Speaker 1: He's lean, but he's tall and long, six zo sixty
Speaker 1: three or close to it. Yeah, we'll see. He'll be
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl. But I think that you know,
Speaker 1: there's some background stuff we got to work through. Um,
Speaker 1: but if we're just talking about on the field talent,
Speaker 1: he has the ability to impact the game in a
Speaker 1: big way. So he's he's a top three senior wide
Speaker 1: receiver in my opinion, and I think you know he'll
Speaker 1: he'll be more well known after the Senior Bowl. But
Speaker 1: there's a good chance that best best best offensive prospect
Speaker 1: at to say, well, the Baker mayfields here at the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. Yeah, well, I think he's a top three
Speaker 1: senior wide receiver. So I think you know, you look
Speaker 1: at guys like at Anthony Miller. Yeah, so he's right
Speaker 1: there in that conversation though, to be so, there's a
Speaker 1: six five kid, right, he's huge, He's a mismatch weapon,
Speaker 1: So keep an eye Jalil Scott. I think he's gonna
Speaker 1: be a big time NFL player. Okay, that's the school
Speaker 1: of New Mexico State. Dani Bruger, All right, that's a
Speaker 1: good one. David Hellman fold prediction. I purposefully tried to
Speaker 1: come up with predictions that are going to limit my
Speaker 1: ability to look stupid. Not that not that I can't,
Speaker 1: but like, I'm not going to sit here, well I'm
Speaker 1: about to look really stupid on mine. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to sit here on January eighth and try to peg
Speaker 1: draft order or something like that, because you know, guys
Speaker 1: were not talking about are gonna shoot up and guys
Speaker 1: we are talking about are gonna drop down. But I
Speaker 1: was looking at the landscape of the draft, which this
Speaker 1: is the type of stuff I think is really interesting.
Speaker 1: And this is bold because they just hired a new
Speaker 1: GM and it just seems like the logical thing to do.
Speaker 1: But I think the New York Giants are going to
Speaker 1: do something nuts in that too spot. I think whether
Speaker 1: that's they're either not going to draft a quarterback, which
Speaker 1: when you're picking two overall, that would be nuts, or
Speaker 1: they're going to trade out of that pick and try
Speaker 1: to get a bunch of stuff for it. And I
Speaker 1: think there's good reasoning for that behind the fact that
Speaker 1: what did the Rams do two years ago? They trade
Speaker 1: it up their quarterback, They certainly look like they're in
Speaker 1: a good spot. Same thing goes for the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 1: I think there are teams down the draft board, like
Speaker 1: maybe the Jets or you know, pick one that will
Speaker 1: see that as a way to get relevant quick. And
Speaker 1: I think Arizona. Arizona is another one. Thank you for
Speaker 1: doing my work for me, yeah, And I think the
Speaker 1: Giants are going to try to capitalize on that. So
Speaker 1: they're either going to or maybe they could do something
Speaker 1: really nuts like draft se Quon Barkley two overall. But
Speaker 1: they're they're not going to draft a Quale. I tell
Speaker 1: you what. See, this is where I didn't want I
Speaker 1: didn't want to kind of trade ideas, but I just
Speaker 1: took yours five Bowl prediction was the Giants passed on
Speaker 1: a quarterback and go with Quintin Nelson with the second
Speaker 1: overall pick. There you go, that would be a hell
Speaker 1: of a pick. It would be that you think about.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, and Quinton Nelson's the guard from
Speaker 1: Notre Dame, right, do that future Pro Bowl for all?
Speaker 1: You know? The Cowboys were in this spot two years ago,
Speaker 1: and and we were we were sitting there driving the
Speaker 1: Zeke train, and there were plenty of people that were
Speaker 1: saying they need to get a quarterback, and we were like,
Speaker 1: you got Romo for at least three more years. Like
Speaker 1: and obviously a whole bunch of stuff has happened since then,
Speaker 1: But I'm sure the Giants could convince themselves that if
Speaker 1: given a better supporting cast, Eli Mannings got plenty of
Speaker 1: gas left in the tank, but they needed they need
Speaker 1: to find that. You guys have that stance, do you
Speaker 1: think they're going quarterback. I think the Giants don't expect
Speaker 1: to be picking in the top five often, No, they don't.
Speaker 1: And that's see I see Ghettleman playing this thing safe.
Speaker 1: I do. And I like what you're saying about Manning
Speaker 1: that may oh maybe he's got one or two more years, right,
Speaker 1: and hey, what if he's got we're talking. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: talked about Davis Webb though too. You know, Dad's another thing.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, come on, you got you got that bunchie
Speaker 1: face right now. You don't, you don't if we're talking
Speaker 1: about Davis Webb last year as a fourth, fifth round guy,
Speaker 1: developmental guy. You don't let a third round pick stop
Speaker 1: you from drafting a quarterback. To overall, who would be
Speaker 1: safer to draft Quentin Nelson or or the kid from
Speaker 1: USC Darnel. I mean, from everything, there's no question it
Speaker 1: is safer. Yeah, from everything, y'all tell me this guy
Speaker 1: is the safest pick in the whole draft. But if
Speaker 1: you must factor, if you're a general, man must fact.
Speaker 1: I know. Yeah, fortune favors the bold, I get it,
Speaker 1: trust me. I'm just I'm just telling you, okay, what
Speaker 1: happens when Eli Manning goes out next year and struggles.
Speaker 1: Oh no, you don't have a quarterback. You're about the
Speaker 1: Ghettleman draft, Cam Newton, I believe. So. Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: one line that was one overall, and I think a
Speaker 1: much more slam dunk number one overall in my not
Speaker 1: at the time. I think at the time Cam Newton,
Speaker 1: I know, I know Blaine gabbered ahead of Cam Newton. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, and you want me to stand in there
Speaker 1: pick a quarterback at two now right, I'm just imagine
Speaker 1: Carson Witz. Imagine a world where imagine a world where
Speaker 1: the Cardinals are gonna give you fifteen and like next
Speaker 1: year's one or whatever it would take A would do that.
Speaker 1: A lot depends too on what quarterback is there. Let's
Speaker 1: just say for hypothetical purposes, Seam Darnold goes one. Josh
Speaker 1: Rosen is not that slam dunk because of again the
Speaker 1: off field. We'll talk about it many more times during
Speaker 1: this draft process. But he rubs a lot of people
Speaker 1: the wrong way. A lot of people don't think he's
Speaker 1: gonna be able to take NFL coaching or coaching is
Speaker 1: not gonna want to deal with him. So Josh Rosen's
Speaker 1: not that slam dunk. Now, if you just focus on
Speaker 1: on the field, Yeah, he's worthy of a top five pickure,
Speaker 1: but he might be turned off. The Giants might be
Speaker 1: turned off by him. What if Dorsey takes Alan at one,
Speaker 1: then I would laugh like for a long time. Okay,
Speaker 1: I mean just saying, Hey, we all somebody on Twitter
Speaker 1: ASTs you asked me if I would take if he
Speaker 1: took he took my Homes and not people had Mahomes.
Speaker 1: I said, ma Homes would be a first round Plosh Allen?
Speaker 1: Is he traded up to get Mahomes. Josh Allen is
Speaker 1: the most polarizing quarterback prospects since I've been doing this
Speaker 1: all right, more way more polarizing than Mahomes. With Mahomes,
Speaker 1: it was is he a first round or a second rounder?
Speaker 1: With Josh Allen? Is he is a first round or
Speaker 1: a seventh rounder? Like it's that wide split with opinion. Dude,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna draft a guy, I'm sorry, I know
Speaker 1: there's more to it. I haven't watched if any tape
Speaker 1: on this guy. But like, if Dorsey in the Mountain West,
Speaker 1: I need you to be dominating in the Mountain. If
Speaker 1: Dorsey takes something other than a quarterback in the first
Speaker 1: just if you takes something other than a quarterback first overall,
Speaker 1: say he takes Sparkly for those off the Giants did
Speaker 1: the Giant did the quarterback prospects make you want to
Speaker 1: get off Nelson as as a guy would that would
Speaker 1: would would would Darnel or Rosen wants you to get
Speaker 1: off Nelson if that's who you were planning on taking.
Speaker 1: If I'm the Giants, I'm taking the quarterback. But again,
Speaker 1: that's if I fall in love with the quarterback and
Speaker 1: the Giants might not. If the Giants don't draft it too,
Speaker 1: I think it's way more likely it's because somebody's offering
Speaker 1: them a boatload. Get up there. I don't like even
Speaker 1: if Quinton Nelson is better than Zach Martin, I mean
Speaker 1: two overall for a guard. I know that they need
Speaker 1: offensive line, but wow, guy might be he's I know
Speaker 1: offensive players of draft. This might be the best one
Speaker 1: of the best offensive players I know US player period. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's it's a worthy discussion that I think we'll have
Speaker 1: more than once this this process. We had it with
Speaker 1: Zeke and the running backs. We'll have it again this
Speaker 1: year with Barkley and running back. Yeah. But now, with
Speaker 1: Nelson being arguably the best player this entire draft, what
Speaker 1: is the value and I think he's going top ten? Yeah,
Speaker 1: is the value there to take him top five? I
Speaker 1: think it's a worthy discussion to have at something. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll have a multiple times full prediction number
Speaker 1: too for Dane Burglar Um. Well, I was gonna say
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, but we kind of just touched on him,
Speaker 1: So I will go with it's nice you have multiple
Speaker 1: bold predictions in that head of yours. Good idea. I
Speaker 1: was taking a shower this morning, trying to gave my
Speaker 1: dog a walk, trying to think of these things. Jordan
Speaker 1: Whitehead safety from Pitt Oh, here we go. He will
Speaker 1: be this year's Buddha Baker oh Special Teams Ace. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a guy, Budda Baker, a great athlete, can play a
Speaker 1: nickel corner, can play safety, can just do a lot
Speaker 1: of things for you. He's he's undersized. I mean he's
Speaker 1: probably gonna be buck ninety five or so, doesn't have
Speaker 1: the traditional safety size, just like Buddha Baker. But the
Speaker 1: want to, the toughness, the speed, the play speed, it's
Speaker 1: all there. I think he could be this year's version
Speaker 1: of Buddha Baker, a second rounder who ends up being
Speaker 1: just an integral part of a secondary somewhere. Did you
Speaker 1: kind of think with me that two plays really good,
Speaker 1: one play really bad. Yeah. Kind of kind of a guy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And he's a young player and there's some off field
Speaker 1: stuff that you've got to work through. But do this
Speaker 1: tell tell me more? Yeah, investigate that. Yeah. So that's
Speaker 1: that's Jordan Whitehead, the safety from Pittsburgh. Yeah, is who
Speaker 1: we're talking about, right, bold prediction. This year's Buddha Baker
Speaker 1: when the Pro Bowl, Right, I think he has a
Speaker 1: special team a special teams player. Yeah. When you say that,
Speaker 1: you mean, by the way, first like first second round
Speaker 1: pick type of guy, wouldn't bud Yeah, top fifty. He
Speaker 1: eventually was second round, right, like thirty six or so. Yeah,
Speaker 1: broke this guy. This guy's tough man. I just we're
Speaker 1: watching the tape and I was impressed how he gets
Speaker 1: in the slot and covers ruh. Yeah, because he has
Speaker 1: all over the field, he has corner athleticism, he does uh.
Speaker 1: And so I think and we said that a lot
Speaker 1: about Buddha and how fast he played and the toughness,
Speaker 1: and I think you see a lot of that with
Speaker 1: Jordan Whitehead. So top fifty, pick a guy that's going
Speaker 1: to come in and make an impact. Dave Hellman, I
Speaker 1: just think quarterbacks drive so much of everything pertaining to
Speaker 1: the NFL Draft, and one thing, one thing that we
Speaker 1: you know, and it's we'll get to it as it happens.
Speaker 1: But like it's it's so hard to predict what the
Speaker 1: landscape is gonna look like with free agency. But my
Speaker 1: bold prediction is that somehow, some way, Kirk Cousins is
Speaker 1: really gonna influence the way this whole thing shakes out
Speaker 1: because he's he's up again in Washington or ye are
Speaker 1: gonna tag him? Are they gonna give him a long
Speaker 1: can't tag him? They can't tag you? I thought they could. No,
Speaker 1: they transition tag him. No. I think if the way
Speaker 1: it actually makes my point even easier. One the one
Speaker 1: understanding is I have he's been tagged twice, and once
Speaker 1: you be tagged twice, you cannot tag a player again.
Speaker 1: One way or another, He's gonna shake up the league
Speaker 1: landscape because he's either going to sign a big deal
Speaker 1: in the NFC East or somebody else is going to
Speaker 1: poach him away and There's plenty of teams that could
Speaker 1: do it. Whether you want to talk Denver again, the
Speaker 1: New York Jets. I don't know if the New York
Speaker 1: Giants have the type of cap space, but there are
Speaker 1: teams that need Hey after yesterday, even if they're in
Speaker 1: the playoffs. The Jacksonville Jaguars might want him. Um, he's
Speaker 1: gonna wind up somewhere, and it's kind of great, greatly
Speaker 1: affect how we look at the quarterback. Smith or Eli
Speaker 1: Manning Smith Kansas City or Eli Manning get traded to somebody.
Speaker 1: I could absolutely see Alex Smith getting track. I think
Speaker 1: that makes the most sense. Cleveland is the likely destination
Speaker 1: with John Dorsey trading for him in San Francisco, Cleveland
Speaker 1: looking for that bridge quarterback to whoever they draft. Um.
Speaker 1: The value, what's you know Alex Smith? The one year
Speaker 1: left on his deal? What is he worth on the
Speaker 1: open market? Uh, that's a tough question because you look
Speaker 1: at the Browns. They have so many draft picks, but
Speaker 1: you don't want to give up the thirty third pick,
Speaker 1: thirty fifth pick. Could they get Alex Smith for a
Speaker 1: third rounder? Uh? Maybe another conditional pick. If they do,
Speaker 1: If they can, then I think there's a good chance
Speaker 1: to Brown Dorsey. You remember Dorsey. He knows Alex Smith
Speaker 1: better than anybody cher he lived with him. You're just
Speaker 1: for a reference. I've had a traded for him. I
Speaker 1: feel like people listening to this probably know who Dorsey is.
Speaker 1: John Dorsey, new general manager of that at a bar. Well,
Speaker 1: he's your buddy, He's somebody one thing Kirk Cousins. He
Speaker 1: can be franchise tagged again, but if it's a third
Speaker 1: if he is France third time, his salaries like thirty
Speaker 1: five million. Oh, I didn't think that they I thought
Speaker 1: it was only twice that you could franchise tagging. But
Speaker 1: it's his price. The price tag goes up of certain
Speaker 1: percentages each year, and so that's something I did not.
Speaker 1: I always thought it was two times an out, That's
Speaker 1: what I thought. It was. Just never really, I don't
Speaker 1: think we've seen it happened a third time. Yeah, five
Speaker 1: million dollars though a big reason we don't it's because
Speaker 1: the salary bumps up a certain foot so much. Okay,
Speaker 1: the football, Like just as I wish I knew the rules,
Speaker 1: I did, like when I was in this league at
Speaker 1: one time. League Injurgue is so interesting to me, Like,
Speaker 1: I hope, I hope he goes somewhere else just because
Speaker 1: it would, you know, shake everything up, would be an idiot.
Speaker 1: If I missed that, I'm sorry. If I did, I
Speaker 1: would guess Denver as the favorite to land Kirk Cousins
Speaker 1: if he does go somewhere else. Full prediction from Brian
Speaker 1: broad Us. Kerrie and Johnson running back out Auburn will
Speaker 1: be the second running back taking draft. Didn't you just
Speaker 1: start watching this guy this morning and you're already like
Speaker 1: in love with him? Yeah? Wow, all right, I've been.
Speaker 1: He will be the second running back taken in the draft.
Speaker 1: I have no problem with that. You're gonna see Nick
Speaker 1: Chubb tonight. You're gonna see Michelle. You're gonna see guys
Speaker 1: play tonight, Amy and Harris. Yeah, you're gonna see guys
Speaker 1: play in this game tonight. And I think Barkley goes one,
Speaker 1: and I think Carrie on Johnson from Auburn number goes
Speaker 1: number two. Now the second second back in the draft.
Speaker 1: Carry On Johnson and that's better than Geist too. Second
Speaker 1: back in the draft in the first round or where? Yes,
Speaker 1: first round? All right? Second? The second running back that
Speaker 1: will be taken will be Carrie on Johnson. I'm with you.
Speaker 1: I have Barkley number one, and then I've got a
Speaker 1: geist and carry on. Johnson has late one early twos,
Speaker 1: so I'm right there with you. Would not shock me
Speaker 1: at all. I think he's deserving. He he's very long
Speaker 1: legged as a run back. It's a little it's a
Speaker 1: little weird because when you first watch him, you're like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I like this guy. Oh he's
Speaker 1: got But then you watch him more and you just
Speaker 1: gained an appreciation for his patience, his vision, his lateral quickness,
Speaker 1: his tough he's the toughest running back finishes some run
Speaker 1: oh my god. And now I'll tell you what. He
Speaker 1: catches the ball well coming out of the back, he does,
Speaker 1: and one hand he catches screens as tough as he is.
Speaker 1: The medicals are what I'm worried about because he's so
Speaker 1: banged up because Auburn just rode him this year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he wasn't healthy for a lot. But he doesn't
Speaker 1: come off the field. He hates to come off the field.
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Speaker 1: So how about it, my friend, here's a good just
Speaker 1: here's a good y'all. Y'all all like this as the
Speaker 1: scouting nerds that you are, Rhino wants to know what's
Speaker 1: the most difficult position to evaluate. Have I ever got
Speaker 1: a quarterback right yet? He Packson Lynch still has a shot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it Bordles Lynch. I'm I'm like over dose right now.
Speaker 1: It's a great point I had. I think I'm a
Speaker 1: homes and I'd Watson. I kind of had them where
Speaker 1: it is. I mean, I think i'd Watson over You're
Speaker 1: fine the guy, but no, Yeah, to me, that's the
Speaker 1: one because it's hard to it's hard to predict. You know,
Speaker 1: in scouting, we always sit there and say, Okay, he's
Speaker 1: a four year starter, he's a captain, he's you know,
Speaker 1: you're trying to avoid the one year guy. You're trying
Speaker 1: to avoid the Ryan Lee for the Achille Smith or
Speaker 1: those guys that were one year players. Sometimes it goes
Speaker 1: against you. I talk about Joey Harrington at times. That's
Speaker 1: always been a difficult position for me because again, how
Speaker 1: did those guys translate? How does the NFL game? I mean,
Speaker 1: now you've got some guys that aren't your traditional type
Speaker 1: of NFL quarterbacks that people are playing with. Guy in
Speaker 1: New Orleans, it's too short. Sure, it's not for seventy
Speaker 1: thousand yards. Guy in Seattle too. Yeah, think about that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I just think that that's a very very
Speaker 1: difficult position for me. I could do offensive linement all day.
Speaker 1: As far as evaluate those guys, I think that's where
Speaker 1: interior offensive center is something that I've I've struggled with,
Speaker 1: second level blocks, reach, scoop, yeah, full athletic ability. I
Speaker 1: think it's it's easy when you know, we find the
Speaker 1: you know, the Nick Mangolds and the you know, Alex Max.
Speaker 1: But Travis Frederick wasn't a highly rated guy, and you
Speaker 1: know guys like that who you know, and I think
Speaker 1: that's Travis Frederick was one of those guys that I
Speaker 1: definitely missed on. I had a late two on him,
Speaker 1: and you know, he went almost a full round earlier
Speaker 1: and has certainly been worth it. So I think center,
Speaker 1: and then you know, defensive tackle. You know, because going
Speaker 1: from scheme to scheme in college defensive tackles, interior defensive line,
Speaker 1: they're asked to do different things, right, and that makes
Speaker 1: it a little tough, And that's true for any position.
Speaker 1: I think you have to ask yourself what are they
Speaker 1: being coached to do? Because that changes the way you
Speaker 1: watch tape. If you're watching Alabama and you understand what
Speaker 1: Nick Saban asks of his defensive lineman or what he
Speaker 1: asks of his corners. It changes the way you watch
Speaker 1: that tape, and so I think having that understanding is
Speaker 1: a big part of it, and that's something that could
Speaker 1: be challenging when you're just watching the tape and you
Speaker 1: don't have some of the inside knowledge. Yeah, I'm I'm kidding,
Speaker 1: but I'm not kidding. Dbs are just hard to watch
Speaker 1: in general, Like when like the freaking camera angles eighty
Speaker 1: million yards away, You're just like, where where did my
Speaker 1: guy go? Wearing a towel? Yeah? Is he in zone?
Speaker 1: Is he in many stocked down? Yeah? Corner is my
Speaker 1: favorite position to evaluate. I think they either make plays
Speaker 1: or they don't because they're they're premier athletes, and I
Speaker 1: love watching those athletes make plays. And I think, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: if you can make plays, and you know, if a
Speaker 1: guy's constantly getting beat, I don't want him. I understand
Speaker 1: getting beat once or twice a game. I get that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but if you can if you're consistently getting worked justin
Speaker 1: Gilbert what from or top ten? Throwing throwing shade it poor?
Speaker 1: Justin gober Oh, it's truth, Turtle says if Baker Mayfield
Speaker 1: is there in the first Why not take a chance, Brian,
Speaker 1: this is obviously a Cowboys centered Yeah. As I as
Speaker 1: I sit there and tell you, I just can't evaluate quarters.
Speaker 1: You know what. Could Baker Mayfield be taken ahead of Jackson? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think he's the He's I think he's
Speaker 1: right now where we sit, he's Could he be the
Speaker 1: third quarterback? Can be taken behind? Could he be taken
Speaker 1: ahead of Alan? Yes, very easily. Oh yeah, I would Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so. I would Baker Mayfield ahead of Josh
Speaker 1: Allen for sure? I said, did you take him ahead
Speaker 1: of Darnald during? During? Now you gotta help me here.
Speaker 1: But there's no consensus on these quarterbacks. Yeah, I would
Speaker 1: be surprised if you went ahead of Darnald. Um, I
Speaker 1: could see him go ahead of Rosen because of again
Speaker 1: the off field stuff, yea, may There's just there will
Speaker 1: be no consensus on these quarterbacks. So anything anti Johnny Manziel, Yes,
Speaker 1: I hate the Johnny Manzel Come no, no, I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: is exactly is he the Is he the guy that
Speaker 1: you think like both guys love football, but on the field,
Speaker 1: off the field, that kind of stuff. I mean people.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. People are gonna make the Johnny Manzel comparisons.
Speaker 1: And I think it's because is he like somebody you've
Speaker 1: seen before. They give a lot of people gave Manziel
Speaker 1: a pass yea, and they got burned, And so I
Speaker 1: think they're overcompensating with Mayfield now when in reality, Bakers
Speaker 1: they're just nothing alike. There's just so different. And you
Speaker 1: can talk about the off field issues, the maturity. Does
Speaker 1: Baker need to mature? Yeah he does, you know, we
Speaker 1: saw that in the Kansas game. But it's a big
Speaker 1: difference between the maturity that he needs and the maturity
Speaker 1: that Johnny Manziel needed. Johnny Manziel felt entitled, where Baker
Speaker 1: Mayfield felt driven. I mean his stuff is all competitive
Speaker 1: base where Manziel is you know, you just question how
Speaker 1: much does he really love football? So I get the
Speaker 1: comparisons that people will make. I don't agree with him.
Speaker 1: I don't think there're anything alike to me. When you
Speaker 1: look at Baker Mayfield, I see Jeff Garcia. Wow, you guys,
Speaker 1: you guys are eerie something okay, And that's and that's
Speaker 1: not a people think of Jeff Garcia. Like see I
Speaker 1: just wrote it down to remind I wrote it down
Speaker 1: to remind myself. I wrote it down. Was he's describing
Speaker 1: a guy he throws the ball better than Jeff Garcia,
Speaker 1: but he's the same when it comes to sleep, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of moving around the pocket, shoveling it, whatever he
Speaker 1: has to do, run the ball. That he's just And
Speaker 1: and there's some younger fans out there, go look up
Speaker 1: Jeff Garcia. Oh that bums me out to think that
Speaker 1: there's people then are let's none of this that don't
Speaker 1: remember Jeff Carson. Well I'm just twenty years ago. Now. No,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. I'm saying, yeah, exactly a quarterback man.
Speaker 1: But to me dispect, yeah, this is this is what
Speaker 1: I who. I wrote down just to remind myself. I
Speaker 1: haven't mean you know this. This is all subject to change,
Speaker 1: and it's early. But I said it the other day
Speaker 1: and I still feel that way. Like I think I
Speaker 1: feel better about Mayfield and Lamar than I do about
Speaker 1: the three prototype guys. Why there's gonna be I do
Speaker 1: some people they're gonna absolutely love Jackson. Sure, they're gonna
Speaker 1: step it up and love him. And I've said this before,
Speaker 1: but my my My issue with Jackson again his development
Speaker 1: as a passer, and you get so excited about him
Speaker 1: it's because of his legs. Yeah, the mobility. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of accuracy issues there that I question. I like
Speaker 1: Jackson too. I think he If I'm Jacksonville and I'm
Speaker 1: picking in the late first round, that's who I'm taking.
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson. You add that quarterback to that offense, that'd
Speaker 1: be a lot of fun. Which Jacksonville. All right, Well,
Speaker 1: let's hello Jacksonville. Let's get let's get nuts here and
Speaker 1: really and Turtle's question right here. Yeah, if Mayfield or
Speaker 1: Lamar was there at nineteen. See what I'm hoping is
Speaker 1: that happens. So I can use that as trade bait.
Speaker 1: You want somebody coming up get me? Yeah, Jacksonville, you're
Speaker 1: at twenty six, you can have nineteen if you give
Speaker 1: me this. Yeah, I'm down with that. And but should
Speaker 1: you give more credence to take in that guy? I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel good about Dak Prescott, but I can't sit
Speaker 1: here and say he had the best season of his life.
Speaker 1: So much silence right now. I just need to put
Speaker 1: more talent around Dak Prescott. I agree, that's that's the
Speaker 1: reason why I thought, if there was regression on Dak Prescott,
Speaker 1: and that's all our shows on our platforms here, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a you know, if there was gonna be regression
Speaker 1: from Dak Prescott, it was gonna because the people around
Speaker 1: him weren't going to play well enough. We saw that
Speaker 1: this year. I would use that. I would try to
Speaker 1: get out of that and use that quarterback to get
Speaker 1: me more picks. That's what I would do this with
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott, your quarterback. I'm gonna go at you here
Speaker 1: for a second. You went thirteen and three two years ago.
Speaker 1: There's no reason why you can't do that again with
Speaker 1: if you make some certain changes on the on this roster,
Speaker 1: you can go thirteen three, twelve and four. You can
Speaker 1: win in the vision. Don't you have enough picks? Don't
Speaker 1: you really? I mean, when you look at what you
Speaker 1: have with your compensatories, don't you have enough picks? I
Speaker 1: don't think helped this, right, I don't think. I know,
Speaker 1: And that's and that's a that's a former ust me.
Speaker 1: I know, I know everybody wants pick. I know the
Speaker 1: Browns just fired Sashi Brown, But like, I don't think
Speaker 1: the strategy was wrong. You just gotta pick the right players. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the problem was it won one game out of thing.
Speaker 1: You gotta pick, You gotta pick the right players. You
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta get those picks and then draft Deshaun
Speaker 1: Watson when he's sitting in your lap. But that's the
Speaker 1: thing is. People give Sashi Brown a lot of credit
Speaker 1: for the Browns having the fourth pick this year, but
Speaker 1: in reality, that should have been to Shaun Watson. So
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta pick the player. Which, hey, if
Speaker 1: the guy's there, if if a dude's there, I'm not.
Speaker 1: If a guy's there that you love at nineteen, then
Speaker 1: just do it. But Calvin Ridley quant Smith, Sure, but
Speaker 1: I love the idea if if you don't have a
Speaker 1: better choice than what I mean, what would Wow, we're
Speaker 1: getting you take Ridley over? We're getting in the myth,
Speaker 1: We're getting in the weeds. Yes, you would? You take
Speaker 1: really over Smith? I think so? I think really would
Speaker 1: just be the ideal pick for this team. Yeah, his fit,
Speaker 1: the impact, the ripple effect, I don't think I see this.
Speaker 1: I know I'm saying that that's people are gonna keep
Speaker 1: falling in love with these guys who I don't think
Speaker 1: will be there him. We gotta have more names. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I tweeted this out yesterday. I will say
Speaker 1: this about really, I do not think it's as far
Speaker 1: fetched as people think. Just because he's an older guy,
Speaker 1: that'll hurt him. And he's one hundred and ninety pounds
Speaker 1: soaking wet. He's not a big guy, and I think
Speaker 1: that teams might be scared off by that a little bit.
Speaker 1: You know, he's not even a Mariy Cooper when you
Speaker 1: talk about size, because he's very lean, and that could
Speaker 1: leads some Durham he does, and that's why place. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I'm saying that size and the age could be
Speaker 1: a reason why he's still available in the mid first round.
Speaker 1: I think it's possible. I don't think do you think
Speaker 1: he's gonna go top ten? No? Okay, so we're down
Speaker 1: to nine picks. I think I think I think he
Speaker 1: goes somewhere tweet. I think if he's there at fifteen,
Speaker 1: that's only four picks you're trying to move up. I
Speaker 1: am again, I think Calvin Ridley would be the ideal
Speaker 1: fit for what this team needs to return this offense
Speaker 1: to being a top ten offense. And you know what,
Speaker 1: do you do with Terrence Williams. I don't care. Just
Speaker 1: get Calvin Ridley on my team. He's your Z from
Speaker 1: day one, and he helps. He helps Dez, he helps Dak,
Speaker 1: he helps, he helps everybody. Yeah, okay, Melvin wants to
Speaker 1: know who are you most excited to see in the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. I believe the rosters don't officially come out
Speaker 1: until next week, but yeah, there's still plenty of announcements.
Speaker 1: They're still tweaking because this is, unfortunately the time where
Speaker 1: we hear players pull out, play players, you know, injuries, whatever.
Speaker 1: Baker mayfields when I'm a little worried about he got
Speaker 1: beat up against Georgia. He's a competitor, we know that,
Speaker 1: but he doesn't really need to be there at the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. He's already the top wide or top senior quarterback. Uh,
Speaker 1: it would be great to see him there. I hope
Speaker 1: he goes, especially considering the offense he was in in
Speaker 1: Oklahoma and the offense the coaching he'll get the Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl could be really beneficial for him. So I hope
Speaker 1: he is there. But again, he got banged up in
Speaker 1: the semifinals. One of these surprises if he pulls out
Speaker 1: for me. I think you have to look at Josh Allen.
Speaker 1: You know he mentioned earlier quarterback from Wyoming. He has
Speaker 1: said over and over he wants to playing the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: It looks like he will and it's gonna be a
Speaker 1: big week for him. He's there, there's gonna be a
Speaker 1: lot of us and oz when he steps out on
Speaker 1: the field, his big six five, two forty pound frame,
Speaker 1: and then when he lets go of the ball, it's
Speaker 1: it's special. It's whistling. Oh yeah, it's it's really impressed.
Speaker 1: I mean, Derek Carr, Matthew Stafford, I'm talking that type
Speaker 1: of arm strength. And so in a practice setting, Josh
Speaker 1: Allen really has a chance to impress a lot of people.
Speaker 1: Now it's practice and he's gonna be dealing with wide
Speaker 1: receivers he's never thrown to, and so we'll see how
Speaker 1: that works out. But Josh Allen's gonna be one of
Speaker 1: those He's one of those mysteries that we have to
Speaker 1: try and figure out the next few How about if
Speaker 1: it's sticking on the quarterback theme real quick, Mason Rudolph
Speaker 1: and then Falk Luke Falk, I don't I'm not a
Speaker 1: big fan of either captain's like, no, Mason Rudolph, he's
Speaker 1: brace petty to me. Cody Kessler, well, Luke Falk, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's got a rubber arm, and Kevin Kevin Hogan. Yeah.
Speaker 1: We talked a lot about all those quarterbacks at the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl a couple of years ago. Winston Dak were
Speaker 1: like the only good ones that turns out? Um, where
Speaker 1: did I go? Bill? Wait, Okay, this is interesting to me, especially, Um,
Speaker 1: this is a potential Cowboys need. Bill points out lots
Speaker 1: of college tackles moved to guard in the NFL. Zach Martin,
Speaker 1: Brandon Sheriff come to mind, and you guys like that
Speaker 1: in this year's class. Yeah, guy to watch tonight. You know,
Speaker 1: we can talk about him a little more and a
Speaker 1: little bit. But Isaiah Wynn left tackle for Georgia. I
Speaker 1: think he's a starter starting NFL guard, a guy that
Speaker 1: you can probably get in the third round. I'm a
Speaker 1: big fan of his. I think he's gonna make that
Speaker 1: transition very well and be be a long term Menphal starter. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of looking at just uh, just guys,
Speaker 1: and I've looked at that. The Brandon Smith from Auburn. Yeah,
Speaker 1: good player. Yeah, and yeah, I just played a little tackle.
Speaker 1: They tackle he was. He played when they did unbalanced line. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was a lot. He did that a lot. So
Speaker 1: he was a guy that played tackle. But he was.
Speaker 1: But he's at a he's at a guard. I need
Speaker 1: to go through these, uh, these underclassmen kind of tackles
Speaker 1: and think about it. I'll give you another one. Austin
Speaker 1: Corbett from Nevada left tackle, who I like a lot.
Speaker 1: I think believe he's a senior Bowl guy, so I
Speaker 1: think he's gonna make the transition to guard. So Isaiah
Speaker 1: Win Austin Corbett two college tackles to keep in mind
Speaker 1: for that move to guard. There you go. We already
Speaker 1: talked about Calvin Ridley a little bit. Roderick wants to
Speaker 1: know two of the other darlings for the Cowboys at
Speaker 1: nineteen right now, like Vita Via or Roquan Smith More.
Speaker 1: I like Roquan Smith more. Yeah with ya, it's Bey.
Speaker 1: Excuse me, You're gonna get seduced by the traits. He's
Speaker 1: so much fun to watch. Yeah, you know you haven't
Speaker 1: seen Smith, have you? I mean you've only seen seen
Speaker 1: I've seen Smith on TV, Yeah, not tape. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know if I've seen a player like Vea before
Speaker 1: have I mean, at three hundred forty pounds, the athleticism,
Speaker 1: the power, just that combination is just rare. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: don't see it very He's a he's a unicorn. We
Speaker 1: don't see it very often. And so you know, you
Speaker 1: get very you get seduced by those traits and you know,
Speaker 1: you think Kaladi Nada or you think, you know, he
Speaker 1: could be this big impact player. I just don't see
Speaker 1: the technique to discipline the motor on a consistent basis.
Speaker 1: And it's tough when you're playing every snap and you
Speaker 1: know you're asked to play nose and end and you're
Speaker 1: moved all over. So if he has a more stable
Speaker 1: home in the NFL, if you you know, if the
Speaker 1: Cowboys draft him and he's your you know, your one technique,
Speaker 1: your nose, then you know, maybe it's a little more
Speaker 1: more consistency. But I still think he's there's better traits
Speaker 1: there than a well rounded football player, and that worries me.
Speaker 1: And now I'd still take him in the first round
Speaker 1: at some point because the traits are that enticing. But
Speaker 1: at nineteen, give me real Quan Smith over veil. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would do that too. I think that you you
Speaker 1: you can get more even even though Smith might not
Speaker 1: initially play for you. I mean, I mean, or get
Speaker 1: on the field, or however you want to do it.
Speaker 1: I think he's just too too valuable of a guy.
Speaker 1: Even though Vya Dange's right about him though, But man,
Speaker 1: that is some impressive stuff watching him. He uses other
Speaker 1: players to make if you would watch, if you watch people,
Speaker 1: you just take the Stanford game and again, defensive tackle
Speaker 1: from washing Ursity, Washington. You watched the Stanford game and
Speaker 1: they tried double team him and he they tried chip,
Speaker 1: they tried to hit him with a back, they hit,
Speaker 1: They throw a guard at him. He just he just
Speaker 1: throws the guard aside. The full back comes at him,
Speaker 1: he just throws the full back to the He throws
Speaker 1: one to the right, one to the left, and makes
Speaker 1: the tackle right there on Love. I mean, that's just
Speaker 1: he's that kind of guy. I mean, he is a
Speaker 1: force force inside, which and I feel like we talked
Speaker 1: about this, but it's a big talking point to Aaron.
Speaker 1: Aaron wants to know will the Cowboys changed their draft
Speaker 1: philosophy and even look at a defensive tackle at nineteen
Speaker 1: and that's I mean nothing, it could you know, now,
Speaker 1: nothing is impossible. If you get wiped out. If you
Speaker 1: get wiped out and say the say the receiver that
Speaker 1: Dane wants is not there, say Smith's not there, you
Speaker 1: might be on the very end of your last first
Speaker 1: round guy. Remember last year when they got down into it,
Speaker 1: the last first round guy they had was the running
Speaker 1: back from Florida State, Dalvin Cook, Right, Alvin Cook. They
Speaker 1: weren't going to take Calvin Cook, but that was their
Speaker 1: last guy. Let me ask you, is Malie Collins cemented
Speaker 1: at a position right now? No? He looked better at
Speaker 1: the one than he did the three. Do you think
Speaker 1: they have a preference of where to play him. I
Speaker 1: think they'd like to play him at the one, and
Speaker 1: so I mean that that'll be a big question. So
Speaker 1: if a one is there, do you yeah, I just think, well,
Speaker 1: I think it's not cemented because we don't know what's
Speaker 1: going to happen with David Irving like right now, I mean,
Speaker 1: you don't know what you're starting defensive line looks like
Speaker 1: right now. Obviously that'll change. No, I would hope that
Speaker 1: they play Collins in the best place for him. Sure
Speaker 1: in yea of what what just the bodies that they
Speaker 1: have you think? But he was so good at three
Speaker 1: all through his rookie year. Yeah, is it possible that
Speaker 1: is no, No, he played the one is rookie year?
Speaker 1: It was? It was? It was, Yeah, McLain played the three.
Speaker 1: Oh you're okay? Wow, I already forgot about Darrell mcclin.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's so anyway, Yeah, it's I don't know if
Speaker 1: the philosophy will change, but it might change if it
Speaker 1: got down to the to the like, Okay, who is
Speaker 1: the most and the stack on the stack? How do
Speaker 1: they have the stack? If all talked about that today
Speaker 1: in the mail back. If all of this is the case,
Speaker 1: they need a three more than they need a one. Yeah, yeah, really,
Speaker 1: And there's some really good there's some really good ones
Speaker 1: this Yeah, there's a lot of ones this draft. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the best. The best three I saw was Hurst
Speaker 1: so far. Yeah, Michigan, Michigan three, it's the best. I
Speaker 1: mean him Wilkins, Clemson, that'll be a guy we'll see tonight.
Speaker 1: Would you take him at nineteen Hurst? Would I would consider? Yes?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I sure would freaking do it. I got it.
Speaker 1: That's another Michigan guy. It's always been. It's always been
Speaker 1: the nose tackle that they don't want a draft. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think they would take an under tackle
Speaker 1: and in the first round if there was one, I
Speaker 1: think so too. If I'm the Cowboys. I mean, I've
Speaker 1: said this before. I just list the top nineteen players
Speaker 1: in this draft that you would love to see in
Speaker 1: a Cowboys uniform, right, and you're guaranteed to get one
Speaker 1: of them. Yeah, I mean it's I know, I mean
Speaker 1: because it doesn't always match up on like you know,
Speaker 1: you're board and yeah, you know, just nineteen players you
Speaker 1: would love to see. Stack. That's what the stack does.
Speaker 1: I mean, you put them in order of how you
Speaker 1: would take them, and that's how it works, all right,
Speaker 1: we u I okay a break. Appreciate you folks. I
Speaker 1: was one, Um okay here it come back and we
Speaker 1: get this break up. Okay, Yeah, and then we'll come back.
Speaker 1: We'll do this spreak real quick. And now I'll let
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Speaker 1: a national championship game tonight. In all sec affair, real quick,
Speaker 1: I did one? Well you did? I'm sorry, No, you're fine.
Speaker 1: I just Mimi asked, and it's hard to answer this
Speaker 1: right now before we know about compics, but she asked
Speaker 1: how many picks did the Cowboys have? And as of
Speaker 1: right now, I think you can probably count on them
Speaker 1: having nine. Yeah, so you had you had a loud
Speaker 1: usually seven. You're gonna lost them in fifth. You traded
Speaker 1: a fifth to get Xavierwood to draft year's draft, which
Speaker 1: they did because they knew they were going to have compisms. Yes,
Speaker 1: they're probably gonna get compics for Ron Leary, Barry Church
Speaker 1: and Brandon carr If I had to guess, I don't
Speaker 1: know about Mo claiborne, and to doubt it because deal
Speaker 1: wasn't super big, right, and ideally you hope that Leary
Speaker 1: pick is a third, yeah, ideally, yes, and then maybe
Speaker 1: a fourth and a fifth or two fifths. Those tend
Speaker 1: to be at the back end of the draft or
Speaker 1: the back end of the round, or at the end
Speaker 1: of the round back into the round. And this year
Speaker 1: you can trade them, right, I would, so I would.
Speaker 1: That would be interesting to see how that. I would
Speaker 1: guess they're gonna have nine picks. You hope for two thirds,
Speaker 1: but just to be on the safe side, I would
Speaker 1: say two fourth and a fifth maybe, or two fourths
Speaker 1: and a sixth. It's never as good as you hope
Speaker 1: it is. You know, I've never figured that out. How
Speaker 1: they They don't know nobody. They just kind of a
Speaker 1: DeMarco Murray only fetched them a fourth which turned into
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott. To be fair, but you would think that
Speaker 1: the NFL offensive player of the year would get you
Speaker 1: a better pick than thirty five I got you. But anyway,
Speaker 1: so nine picks, I think. Let me ask you this,
Speaker 1: Dame Brugler, as we sit down tonight and we all
Speaker 1: kind of have an idea about Nick Chubb and you know,
Speaker 1: Sony Michelle and guys like that. You know and Smith,
Speaker 1: you know all the Alabama guys, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: we could get into those guys. But who are some
Speaker 1: of the guys that you know down the line. There's
Speaker 1: some down the line, I mean, and you could get
Speaker 1: again if you want to talk about some of the
Speaker 1: guys that you know that we need to watch. The
Speaker 1: Alabama safety, you know that kind of the you know,
Speaker 1: the corner Fitzpatrick. I'm all for that, but just kind
Speaker 1: of go through, let's talk about some of these guys
Speaker 1: on bow teams tonight that you know might play their
Speaker 1: way into into some some higher draft talk. Well, it's
Speaker 1: kind of hard to talk about these two players or
Speaker 1: these two teams without talking about high draft picks because
Speaker 1: yet of them are right, that's how impressive these rosters are.
Speaker 1: And we talked about the Alabama secondary, We've talked about
Speaker 1: Minca Fitzpatrick likely a top ten pick. Corner free Seefe.
Speaker 1: You haven't moved from that at all, have you that?
Speaker 1: That's when I saw that on Twitter, you said, Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm not moving out of that. No, he's the top
Speaker 1: five player in this draft. That will not change for me.
Speaker 1: Um unless time you're gonna play at corner. I like
Speaker 1: in my corner where you know, use that size at speed,
Speaker 1: the technique, the instincts. It's it's similar to the Jalen
Speaker 1: Ramsey situation where he's played free safety's played nickel. He's
Speaker 1: played a little bit of everywhere. Yeah, but the impact
Speaker 1: and the just the value as an outside corner, I
Speaker 1: think Trump's everything. So I like Fitzpatrick on the outside,
Speaker 1: but I think you'd just be just as valuable at
Speaker 1: free year Nickel. Ronnie Harrison. We've talked about the strong
Speaker 1: safe for Alabama, Anthony Averett, the corner for Alabama. I
Speaker 1: think we've talked about it's the other player in that secondary,
Speaker 1: the other corner, Levi Wallace, who really grabbed my eye
Speaker 1: this year. And you know you watch Alabay and its number.
Speaker 1: It was a thirty nine out. And he's a former
Speaker 1: walk on, which you rarely hear about at Alabama, a
Speaker 1: guy that is really really a self made player. He's
Speaker 1: put himself in this position, very tough, very quick. The
Speaker 1: long speeds a question mark, he can get beat deep,
Speaker 1: but the toughness, the instincts, his timing and coverage is
Speaker 1: very good. So I think Levi wall is definitely a
Speaker 1: player to watch. But when you look at the matchup.
Speaker 1: These are two teams that like to run the ball,
Speaker 1: and with Jalen Hurts on one side of quarterback and
Speaker 1: from the troop freshman at quarterback for Georgia, where it's
Speaker 1: not going to change. We're gonna see both these teams
Speaker 1: want to set the tone with a run game, and
Speaker 1: that's Nick Chubb Sony Michelle for Georgia, and it's both.
Speaker 1: Who has the advantage there running the football? Well, I
Speaker 1: think it's we're just talking in a vacuum. I would
Speaker 1: lean towards Georgia right with better pro prospects, don't we
Speaker 1: feel like, Yeah, I really like Damian Harris, But I
Speaker 1: feel like the two at Georgia overall are better than
Speaker 1: the two at Alabama. But when you factor in, you
Speaker 1: know what defenses they're going up against, the fact that
Speaker 1: Georgia has to run into this Alabama defense, that's the
Speaker 1: big question mark. And now Alabama has been down some
Speaker 1: of their linebackers with injuries, but it's still that's the
Speaker 1: way that Nick Saban wants to play the game, control
Speaker 1: the ground game on offense and on defense, and I
Speaker 1: think they'll be able to do it, meaning that From's
Speaker 1: gonna have to put the ball up in the air
Speaker 1: going to Javon Wims at outside wide receiver. Whims celebrated himself,
Speaker 1: helped himself a lot former Juco kid. He's got a
Speaker 1: hoop's background, really athletic, long lean h We're gonna see
Speaker 1: a lot of back shoulder throws. That's Georgia likes to do.
Speaker 1: So it's we're gonna at some point a quarterback's gonna
Speaker 1: have to make a play, and that play could being
Speaker 1: the difference in this game. I think everyone wants to
Speaker 1: give Alabama the edge just because they've been there, they
Speaker 1: have that experience. Uh, and you know the Nick Saban effect.
Speaker 1: I like Georgia close, I'm gonna give them the edge.
Speaker 1: I mean, twenty seven, twenty fourth type of game. I
Speaker 1: hope you're I hope it's that entertaining. Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: just watched. I mean, I mean, I know, you know
Speaker 1: he watched playoff football all weekend and got disgusted. No,
Speaker 1: yesterday's games were I mean, okay, Jacksonville Jacksonville Buffalo wasn't great,
Speaker 1: but the Saint the Saints game was great and the
Speaker 1: Sean Payne decided to go for it on fourth and two.
Speaker 1: I was stupid. The Falcons Rams game was at least entertaining,
Speaker 1: if not close. Um, who do you like? I mean,
Speaker 1: who do you mean not? I just get the game.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying those layers. He mentioned a lot of
Speaker 1: players I had. I had a question for Dane I
Speaker 1: I know, I know, Clemson just beat him, and they've
Speaker 1: played a couple of classics with Clemson, but they had
Speaker 1: transcendent quarterback play. I just I've seen too many of
Speaker 1: these games where even if the score looks close, you
Speaker 1: just never have a doubt that BAM is gonna win.
Speaker 1: I mean, the score against Clemson last week never got
Speaker 1: out of hand. The year before that, when they played
Speaker 1: Washington in the in the semi final, the play at
Speaker 1: the score never really got out of hand, but you
Speaker 1: just knew that that the other team didn't have what
Speaker 1: it took. And I don't trust an eighteen year old
Speaker 1: kid to get the better of a Nick Saban defense.
Speaker 1: I think fight to guess, I think Bama will win
Speaker 1: something like twenty four to third, and they're almost mirror teams,
Speaker 1: and Nick Saban knows what the next time a team
Speaker 1: out Bama's, Bama will be the first because I mean
Speaker 1: LSU did it once and it took every fiber of
Speaker 1: their being and they had to play them again and
Speaker 1: they got drilled right because in past, you know, when
Speaker 1: Alabama is lost, it's usually been to a mobile quarterback, right,
Speaker 1: the spread up tempo scheme, and Georgia's more of the
Speaker 1: pro styles, more of what Alabama wants to do. So no,
Speaker 1: I think you're absolutely right. Um My question was, we've
Speaker 1: beaten me. We've beaten Roquan Smith into the ground already,
Speaker 1: even though this is only our second show. But there's
Speaker 1: got to be some more defenders on that Georgia defense
Speaker 1: that are looking at And I know there's one guy
Speaker 1: I don't even know if he's going to the draft.
Speaker 1: I know that he's got some baggage. Led Betters, he flashed,
Speaker 1: he shows some stuff on that defensive line. John Atkinson
Speaker 1: knows tackle led better at defensive end, Trenton Thompson the
Speaker 1: other defensive end. Those guys are all future pros. The
Speaker 1: outside linebacker Lorenzo Carter, number seven, could have a big
Speaker 1: impact in this game because you know Jalen Hurts wants
Speaker 1: to run the ball right, so number seven, Lorenzo Carter
Speaker 1: has to be able to play contain, but also get
Speaker 1: after the quarterback and make him move his feet. That
Speaker 1: you know, the Alabama passing game is not He's not
Speaker 1: going to beat you. But we want that guy at nineteen, right,
Speaker 1: the wide receiver, the fact that he's had the career
Speaker 1: he has with the quarterback. Sure, you say, the guy
Speaker 1: from the same thing, the guy in Atlanta and Julio
Speaker 1: had I know, like I know, Greg McElroy and John
Speaker 1: Parker Wilson, Like ye, John Parker Wilson, they were better passing,
Speaker 1: great name, they were better passing quarterbacks than than Jayleen
Speaker 1: her That's true. I was straight up. I was kind
Speaker 1: of trolling you there a little. Yeah. I mean, no,
Speaker 1: you're right about led better and just long arms balanced,
Speaker 1: You're right about the baggage. But if he is he
Speaker 1: gonna make a decision or is he definitely going back
Speaker 1: to school doesn't make a decision. Okay, So we'll see
Speaker 1: what decision he makes. And Alabama's got plenty of guys,
Speaker 1: and you make a decision. To Ron Payne, if he
Speaker 1: comes down, he could be a first round those tackle um,
Speaker 1: what other mean, con Fitzpatrick, we expect to come out.
Speaker 1: Ronny Urson, we expect to come out. From the perspective
Speaker 1: of a Cowboys fan, I'm just looking at the defenses
Speaker 1: in this game. I mean, okay, Calvin Ridley makes a
Speaker 1: lot of sense, but like a Sony Michelle in the
Speaker 1: third round, if if he falls that far, sure I
Speaker 1: thought I think of him as like a second round
Speaker 1: Well I do too, but with the so many running backs,
Speaker 1: you know, if possible if Sony Michelle is there when
Speaker 1: the Cowboys picking the third by all means, But like
Speaker 1: Nick Chubb, I don't expect to be there. Honestly, Calvin Ridley,
Speaker 1: I don't expect to be there or or nor do
Speaker 1: you need Nick Chubb for that matter, Damien Harris, I mean, okay, whatever.
Speaker 1: I just there aren't a lot offensive players in this
Speaker 1: game that really concern me for the Cowboys. There's a
Speaker 1: ton of defensive talent that I'm like, yeah, they could
Speaker 1: use that. Let's look at that about Evans the linebacker.
Speaker 1: I mean he said about him with the senior that's
Speaker 1: Alabama linebacker thirty two. I can ask them about him
Speaker 1: a lot, and That's what I'm saying. Yeah, answer every
Speaker 1: time is I need to see him a senior Bowl
Speaker 1: just because I need to see him outside of that
Speaker 1: Alabama system with what he's asked to do. He's asked
Speaker 1: to primarily come downhill, he'll put his hand on the
Speaker 1: ground and yeah, I mean you'll see him rushing more
Speaker 1: to night than probably anything, don't you think? Good chance? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And so I want to see him in space. I
Speaker 1: want to see him cover running backs on a consistent basis.
Speaker 1: And we'll get that at the Senior Bowl. We'll see
Speaker 1: him in space. And so I have the drills and stuff.
Speaker 1: I wanted to see that before I make any final
Speaker 1: decisions at Evans. I like him. He's a really good player. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just his evaluation to this point is it's a
Speaker 1: little incomplete for me. Were we wrong about Ruben Foster
Speaker 1: last year? In what context? Just where, how late he went,
Speaker 1: how beat up he was, all that stuff. I'd have
Speaker 1: to go listen to the show again. But I don't
Speaker 1: think they're not wrong. I'm just saying I don't think
Speaker 1: anybody on the show said he wasn't a good no, no, no.
Speaker 1: I think as a scouting community where we were, we
Speaker 1: were quick to dismiss him because we always talk about
Speaker 1: the Alabama linebackers always beat up. You have to see
Speaker 1: him blah blah. But I mean I'm not doing blah
Speaker 1: blah blah because of you. I'm just saying, as as
Speaker 1: amazing as he looked through year one, hadn't that hasn't
Speaker 1: that criticism kind of held up. I mean, he's he's
Speaker 1: gotten hurt. So we had an all through training camp.
Speaker 1: He he felt me with various happened at the seat,
Speaker 1: at the at the combine, the whole thing. The off
Speaker 1: the field. I'm not I'm not an ex spot. You know.
Speaker 1: I haven't been following him closely, but it seems like
Speaker 1: every two or three weeks he was on the injury report. No,
Speaker 1: he's banged up in that game against thele to play. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I don't think talent was ever the question. It's
Speaker 1: just trying to manage the off field indurability. So and
Speaker 1: that's something that I think the forty nine ers will
Speaker 1: have to do through the duration of his contract. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Having said that, I'd like to have him right now. Wait,
Speaker 1: based on what's going off the Cowboys linebackers and where
Speaker 1: he fell, taking him at twenty eight might not have
Speaker 1: been the worst idea, not a bad idea at all. Hey,
Speaker 1: Ken't I know we got a couple of minutes left.
Speaker 1: Do we have any calls. Yeah, we got Brian and
Speaker 1: Waco again. Brian go ahead. Hey, hey, pleasure list and
Speaker 1: you gentlemen this morning. I have a quick question for
Speaker 1: you one or chief guys have thought about this um
Speaker 1: since Dallas is hosting the draft this year, do you
Speaker 1: kind of see you know, Jerry being the eternal optimist
Speaker 1: that he is, you can kind of see him being
Speaker 1: more likely to take riff and move up in the
Speaker 1: first if a Calvin Ridley's maybe you know, four or five,
Speaker 1: maybe six spots ahead, I can I can kind of
Speaker 1: see that's where he might would move up in the
Speaker 1: first be more willing to maybe move up again him
Speaker 1: a third. Just kind of want to make a big
Speaker 1: splash for the hometown team. I just kind of want
Speaker 1: to get your thoughts on that. Appreciate it, Thank you.
Speaker 1: I would hope if he's and hey, they have not
Speaker 1: done a lot of moving up there last I mean
Speaker 1: since Travis Frederick and that was a move back I
Speaker 1: think the last time they traded up in the first round. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they did it for right, they did it for Moe,
Speaker 1: and they did it for Dez. So that's two. That's
Speaker 1: twenty ten and twenty twelve, so it's been a little while.
Speaker 1: I would hope if he does that it's because it
Speaker 1: makes sense and not because he wants to appease people
Speaker 1: watching the draft at the stadium. That's just it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, you want to make do what's best for
Speaker 1: the team and the roster and making this franchise better,
Speaker 1: not whole letting your emotions hold you captive to make
Speaker 1: a decision for you know, one weekend. Yeah, and you
Speaker 1: know to that. I know the draft wasn't here, but
Speaker 1: if that was their game, Johnny Manziel would have been
Speaker 1: a cowboy. Yeah, So I don't worry about that. But
Speaker 1: like I mean, we talked about it earlier in the show.
Speaker 1: If yeah, if Calvin Ridley is there fifteen and the
Speaker 1: price isn't too high and it makes sense, by all means,
Speaker 1: do it because it makes sense for your team. We
Speaker 1: need to investigate that too. We need to get a
Speaker 1: lot more names. I mean, I feel like, yeah, we
Speaker 1: like set locked in on nine but nineteen, but we
Speaker 1: need to get some more. We need a wider net. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we do it. We'll get there. We will get there.
Speaker 1: We'll investigate and educate for sure. Okay for my scouting buddies,
Speaker 1: Dame Burglar for David Hellman. Brian brought us Hey. We'll
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