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Speaker 1: Happy New Year. This is the best of show with

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Speaker 1: Clay and Buck. The Daniel Penny verdict.

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Speaker 2: We were very pleased to see the jury came to

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Speaker 2: what we both believe here is absolutely.

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Speaker 1: The right decision, which was a not guilty verdict.

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Speaker 2: And after the judge dismissed the top count and we

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Speaker 2: also had the arrest of this guy, Luigi.

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Speaker 1: And there have been a lot of memes about this.

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Speaker 2: Luigi MANGIONI who it seems very you know, I know

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Speaker 2: it is alleged, but I mean they found the guy

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Speaker 2: with the weapon. I mean, this is Colonel Mustard with

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Speaker 2: the candlestick in the solarium on video. Basically, I mean

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Speaker 2: this is very much looking like they have the guy.

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Speaker 2: But he allegedly killed the United Healthcare CEO. And there's

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Speaker 2: a lot of talk about this online. We'll get into

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Speaker 2: some of it. Also, more on the big the big

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Speaker 2: Trump picks for the cabinet right now, the ones that

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Speaker 2: are getting attention, particularly Pete Hegseeth Cash puttell RFK Junior,

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Speaker 2: you may get rid of your beloved die in.

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Speaker 1: Your mountain dew. Mister Clay, you aware of this.

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Speaker 2: I think yellow number whatever it is maybe a thing

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Speaker 2: of the past, your mountain dew might become clear. Is

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Speaker 2: clear mountain dew not as exciting to you?

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Speaker 3: It certainly is not. That's just sprite with less sugar.

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Speaker 3: So I've been trying to give up sodas and in

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Speaker 3: favor of coffee and Crockett coffee in particular. I think

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Speaker 3: that's the right decision from a healthcare perspective. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: this is gonna be intriguing to see. I actually will

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Speaker 3: talk about this more. I'm actually feeling really good about

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Speaker 3: every one of Trump's nominees getting through at this point.

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Speaker 3: I think everybody's kind of getting in line. The HEG

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Speaker 3: set momentum is very good, and I'm not even seeing

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Speaker 3: really much organized opposition since the HEG sets stuff has started.

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Speaker 3: To you and I talked about as soon as they

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Speaker 3: move from oh, he's guilty of sexual assault to he

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Speaker 3: occasionally drinks a beer when he's on television, maybe a

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Speaker 3: sign that they weren't having a lot of success in

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Speaker 3: tearing him down.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and the troops that have come forward, including those

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Speaker 2: who served many who served with him, overwhelming support from them.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people in the special operations community also

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Speaker 2: coming forward to.

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Speaker 1: Say that they want Pete hegsett that he is the guy.

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Speaker 2: I do think that there has there's been a there's

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Speaker 2: a backlash there, and it makes sense to me, why

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Speaker 2: against the military institutionalist who has really been effectively a

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Speaker 2: politician with stars on his shoulders, or perhaps even worse,

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Speaker 2: a board member of Rayfion or Boeing or Lockheed or whatever.

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Speaker 2: That that's what you have to be to run the Pentagon.

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Speaker 2: A warfighter running the Pentagon is something that a lot

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Speaker 2: of warfighters want to see right now.

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Speaker 1: So that that's seeming to go through, which is a

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Speaker 1: good thing. I want to start on this claim.

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Speaker 2: I keep wondering when we're going to see what the

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Speaker 2: hashtag resistance is. And let me be clear, there was

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Speaker 2: almost nothing from BLM last night.

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Speaker 1: In I mean I didn't see anything. Actually in New York.

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Speaker 2: There were some people saying some things outside the courtroom,

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Speaker 2: but there were no riots, and we didn't expect there

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Speaker 2: exhausted mobilization for the left. Well, I keep waiting for

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Speaker 2: them to figure out what their opposition is going to

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Speaker 2: be and how they're going to try to stymy the

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Speaker 2: Trump agenda. In terms of the narrative right, and really

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Speaker 2: a move to sanity, a move toward the center. Clay

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Speaker 2: feels kind of inevitable, I would think, but maybe not.

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Speaker 2: This is cut for AOC who I perhaps have been

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Speaker 2: naive enough to think is less of a I think

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Speaker 2: Jesse Kellyer first to it as a street communist, our friend, Jesse,

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Speaker 2: I like that term, less of street communist, less of

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Speaker 2: somebody who is out there as kind of a community organizer, activist,

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Speaker 2: rabble rouser another way of saying it, a rabble.

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Speaker 1: Rouser that she's been moving toward leadership. No, she's still crazy. Actually,

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Speaker 1: here she is on the Daniel Penny thing. This is

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Speaker 1: cut forward play it if we do.

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Speaker 4: Not want violence on our subways, and the point of

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Speaker 4: our justice system is a level of accountability to prevent

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Speaker 4: a person who does not have remorse about taking another

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Speaker 4: nanslaughters or have taken a life accidentally expressed remorse. And

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Speaker 4: so the fact that a person has made expressed no

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Speaker 4: And if we do not want to unleash that level

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Speaker 2: Happening again, as if Clay locking up Daniel Penny would

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Speaker 2: make the subways safer. She didn't get the memo that

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Speaker 3: Here's a question for you, and I'm not sure what

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Speaker 3: my answer is. Is Daniel Penny a twenty four to

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Speaker 3: kind of move on because there isn't really any kind

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Speaker 3: then a couple of days later we move on and

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Speaker 3: people don't really care that much. Or is this going

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Speaker 3: that lingers in a positive way for them, and so

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Speaker 3: they abandoned it. Otherwise, there are other stories that I

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Speaker 3: frankly didn't expect to last as long as they did

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Speaker 3: worst day in America since the Civil War, and they

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Speaker 3: made it a thing for years and years. Daniel Penny,

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Speaker 3: do you think it's something that lasts that people go

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Speaker 3: back to, that remains evocative going forward, or do you

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Speaker 3: think this is a story that forty eight hours from now,

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Speaker 3: basically nobody left or right really talks about anymore.

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Speaker 2: I think that this one goes, meaning that it fauls away.

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Speaker 2: I think that this isn't.

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Speaker 1: What they need as a rallying cry.

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Speaker 2: Here's the thing, people on the street. People on the street.

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Speaker 5: Especially in New York, are really tired of the maniacs

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Speaker 5: who have been arrested fifty times, who are urinating and

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Speaker 2: New Yorkers are actually tired of that. It's beyond the

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Speaker 2: political now in terms of parties and shit. I mean,

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Speaker 2: there's still some lunatic Democrats, but now it's only the

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Speaker 2: Normal people, including there are normal Democrats. I know, sounds

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that's probably the ultimate takeaway. In

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Speaker 3: the short term, you get outrageous statements like what we

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Speaker 3: when you actually acknowledge the facts of this case and

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Speaker 3: We played that yesterday. The leaders of New York City's

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Speaker 3: there need to be consequences for this decision by this jury,

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Speaker 3: and then nothing happened. And I think, you know, it's

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Speaker 3: Nothing happened. Nobody really showed up in New York City.

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Speaker 3: It makes you wonder. And again, I know we're not

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Speaker 3: allowed to go back in time and re examine this stuff.

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Speaker 3: I still want to know how they were able to

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Speaker 3: summer of twenty twenty. There was money behind that. Remember

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Speaker 3: but there doesn't seem to be any mass mobilization that's

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Speaker 2: That's exactly what I'm feeling, which is I cannot remember.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you all that I'm gonna be honest

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Speaker 2: with you since I've been doing this, since I've been

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Speaker 2: in the world of media and not the world of

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Speaker 2: You know, it's like they got nothing. I don't know

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Speaker 2: I think the this means that Trump has more leeway

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Speaker 2: certainly than even including the beginning of twenty sixteen. I

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Speaker 2: think he has like the blank slate as much as

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Speaker 2: one can have one. But you know, he's got the

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Speaker 2: clear space, I would say, to really do big things play.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know what the Democrats are offering people.

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Speaker 2: I watched Morning Joe this morning. Honestly, I shouldn't admit

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Speaker 2: this stuff. It was like watching local news. They're like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: the Daniel Penny case, Yeah, this guy got arrested for

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Speaker 2: the United Healthcare CEO. Really no commentary because I think

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Speaker 2: they don't know what they're supposed to tell their audience anymore.

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Speaker 1: What Hitler's going to be president? Hitler won you know

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Speaker 1: that's not gonna work.

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Speaker 3: I think they're panicking because Fox News now has over

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Speaker 3: seventy percent of the news audience, and their game plan

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Speaker 3: is not working in the wake of the Trump big win.

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Speaker 3: It's not only their influence that's diminished, is that their

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Speaker 3: bit of floundering. Did we play the audio of your

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Speaker 3: good buddy Morning Joe going off on his audience for

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Speaker 3: It's one thing if he goes off on Trump's audience,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you you know where. You know where.

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Speaker 1: I think they they rally and they dig in.

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Speaker 2: If Trump and the Trump team really go with a

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Speaker 2: massively accelerated deportation program, yes, this is where the identity politics,

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Speaker 2: the race politics, the class all of that all of

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Speaker 2: a sudden has this huge resurgence. But that's a central

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Speaker 2: that's the central promise of Trump two point zero is

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Speaker 2: to start that and get that process in motion. So

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Speaker 2: that's what I think almost they're waiting for, because right now, Clay, they've.

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Speaker 1: Just got nothing. It's it's almost sad.

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Speaker 3: They're gonna a couple of kids that are getting deported,

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Speaker 3: maybe they get separated from their parents, and they're gonna

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Speaker 3: use that as the stand in for why Trump's deportations

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Speaker 3: are racist and xenophobic and completely unacceptable. I think you're right.

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump got Times Person of the Year, you know,

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Speaker 6: It, as Time Magazine describes it, For ninety seven years,

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Speaker 1: they have in play.

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Speaker 2: We've had the defection of the most prominent member of

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Speaker 2: the Kennedy family to not just the Republicans, but to

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Speaker 2: Trump specifically with Rfk Junior. And Democrats love political dynasties,

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Speaker 2: as we know, so that's that really stings. The richest

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Speaker 2: man in the world and the most impressive CEO in

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Speaker 2: the world, Elon Musk, is reportedly looking at places to

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Speaker 2: live in Palm Beach so he can be there a

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Speaker 2: lot more and spend more time with Trump and the

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Speaker 2: mar A Lago team. And I assume he'll get a

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Speaker 2: place in DC. He can get a place places everywhere.

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Speaker 2: It's worth three hundred billion dollars. You see that, the

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Speaker 2: first person to ever reached that mark of personal wealth ever.

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Speaker 2: And at the way things are going, and he may

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Speaker 2: become the world's first trillionaire. We now have trillion dollar

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Speaker 2: companies like Apple, but he may be the world's first

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Speaker 2: trillionaire personally. So that's and he's on our team, right

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Speaker 2: And and then you add and you got Hegseat.

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Speaker 1: And and and uh.

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Speaker 2: Gabbard and Ramaswami and and I'll get into a little

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Speaker 2: bit more Tom Homan. By the way, he's I don't

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Speaker 2: want to put too much pressure on on Tom, you know, he's.

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Speaker 1: His approach to things reminds me a little.

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Speaker 2: Bit of the portrait you get of Ulysses Grant and

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Speaker 2: ron Chernow's magnificent biography of him where and I.

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Speaker 1: Know that's that's that's big shoes for for Tom to fill.

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Speaker 2: But I just mean Grant was so humble and unassuming,

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Speaker 2: but competent and mission focused all the time.

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Speaker 1: And that was.

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Speaker 2: Part and and people really, especially after the victory at

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Speaker 2: at Vicksburg, you know, he became this national figure and

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Speaker 2: Lincoln brings him in, puts him in charge. He becomes

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Speaker 2: lieutenant and brings him in to run the whole thing

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Speaker 2: lieutenant General of the Union Army, and and everyone just

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Speaker 2: wants to shake his hand and hug him and tell

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Speaker 2: him how great he is.

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Speaker 1: And he just kind of addresses.

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Speaker 2: Casually and walks around and is not an imposing figure

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Speaker 2: and just wants to get the mission done. And I

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Speaker 2: just feel like that that part of Tom Homan really

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Speaker 2: comes across to me, he's just a guy who wants

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Speaker 2: to do what is necessary for the country and to

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Speaker 2: secure our border and to enforce our laws and to give.

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Speaker 1: Us back national sovereignty. And it's not a lot.

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Speaker 2: Of you know about fanfare, and it's not a lot

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Speaker 2: of trying to you know.

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Speaker 1: Get the big book deal or all the pats on

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Speaker 1: the back.

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Speaker 2: He just does it because it's the mission and you

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Speaker 2: really like to see that, you know.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, there's so many good people.

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Speaker 2: I think Marco Rubio is going to be very competent

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Speaker 2: Secretary of State, very solid, and I think that you've

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Speaker 2: got a really just an excellent team across the board

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Speaker 2: that's coming in.

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Speaker 1: You know, Stephen Miller going to be the deputy White

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Speaker 1: House Chief of Staff.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that guy is just a The policy knowledge

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Speaker 2: and brain power that he brings to the game is

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Speaker 2: so impressive. So you've got all these great people coming

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Speaker 2: in and Democrats are still just in.

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Speaker 1: They're still processing the loss.

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Speaker 2: Which is why I think talking to you about like

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Speaker 2: Joy Reid and Don Lemon and Joe Scarborough and all

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Speaker 2: these different voices out there. And I keep asking my

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Speaker 2: conservative friends this as well, who is who is the

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Speaker 2: most powerful voice for the Democrats right now. And this

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Speaker 2: is part of what it is. Movements need leaders, right,

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Speaker 2: organizations need leaders.

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Speaker 1: Movements need leaders. Who is the leader of the Democrat

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Speaker 1: Party going into twenty twenty five? You can throw out

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Speaker 1: some names.

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Speaker 2: I think people are underestimating what they're going to be

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Speaker 2: able to pull off with elevating AOC. I know she's

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Speaker 2: a communist and all the you know, Obama was president

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Speaker 2: for eight years. Everybody, okay, so being a Marxist at

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Speaker 2: heart is by no means an impediment to or a block.

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Speaker 2: I should say, maybe it's an impediment from the presidency.

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Speaker 2: I think they'll be uh. AOC is going to be

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Speaker 2: a big part of the Democrat Party's future. I think

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Speaker 2: that she has actually evolved and matured as a Democrat,

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Speaker 2: as a leftist to be. You know, she she throws

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Speaker 2: out less think about it. She throws out less stupid

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Speaker 2: soundbites that we all just make fun of all day long.

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Speaker 2: She's become a little more disciplined. You know this is

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Speaker 2: she was very young when she took that seat in Congress.

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Speaker 2: And remember she beat a very established Democrat to do it,

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Speaker 2: very entrenched Democrat. So I think people are underestimating her

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Speaker 2: as you know, for her team, for her party. And

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Speaker 2: then when you start to throw out these other names,

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Speaker 2: come on, well, what are we really talking about here?

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Speaker 1: You know, who are we throw into the mix?

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Speaker 2: Gaven Newsom is not gonna happen, no matter how many

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Speaker 2: shirt buttons he unbuttons out.

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Speaker 1: Of the beach drinking chardonnay.

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Speaker 2: If Clay was here, he might be able to defend Gavenuwsom,

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Speaker 2: but no one's defending him. Now there's there's It's not

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Speaker 2: gonna be Gavin Newsom. It's not going to be It's

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Speaker 2: not gonna be Gretchen Wittmer. I don't think she has

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Speaker 2: I just don't think she has the appeal of the

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Speaker 2: skill set. So Democrats have no one to rally behind

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Speaker 2: in politics. And then also on the media side, Rachel

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Speaker 2: maddowt unless you were delusional, this destroyed whatever credibility even

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Speaker 2: as a leftist that she had. With all this Russia

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Speaker 2: stuff and all the craziness and going along with the

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Speaker 2: overall MSNBC line about Trump is fascism. We're going to

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Speaker 2: see with our own eyes just how absurd the Trump

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Speaker 2: is fascism thing is. The country is going to really

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Speaker 2: dare I say, be in a process of healing. Oh, yes,

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Speaker 2: I think it's going to be much better. I think

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Speaker 2: the immigration issue is going to get really hot. I

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Speaker 2: do think so. I think that's going to be a challenge.

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Speaker 2: And that's where I see the empire strike back effect.

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Speaker 2: You could have that be the rallying cry for Democrats

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Speaker 2: when you if you really ramp up the deportations in

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Speaker 2: a way that Trump has said they will, but they

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Speaker 2: have no one to turn to right now. I've even

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Speaker 2: said that on social media. Who is the formidable Democrat

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Speaker 2: that I would even care to debate? Who would it

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Speaker 2: even be worthwhile to get into with somebody who's a

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Speaker 2: really committed leftist. I don't mean somebody like a Bill

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Speaker 2: Maher who's open to different ideas and stuff and has

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Speaker 2: a platform where you can actually have the left and

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Speaker 2: the right, you know, meet at least face to face.

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Speaker 1: In some way.

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Speaker 2: There's very few of those. Piers Morgan's been Look, he's

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Speaker 2: got a brilliant strategy for his show right now, and

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Speaker 2: Clay was just on a few days ago and the

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Speaker 2: segment went viral. Just have the craziest leftist democrats you

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Speaker 2: can on air, and they're gonna go viral.

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Speaker 1: Because they're nuts, you know. And Peers is like, oh, like,

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Speaker 1: are you really this insane? Like, oh you really this crazy?

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Speaker 2: And they're like, yes, Piers, I am this insane. I

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Speaker 2: am this crazy, and they just say the wildest stuff.

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Speaker 2: So I've never experienced this before where they don't have

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Speaker 2: it's like their whole army in a sense, their political

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Speaker 2: army has been swept away and they have to rebuild.

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Speaker 2: The Democrat rebuilding right now is unlike anything else we've

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Speaker 2: ever seen. I know it's not going to last. I

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Speaker 2: know it's temporary, but here's the good news. It also

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Speaker 2: creates their crisis creates opportunity, opportunity for Trump the incoming

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Speaker 2: administration to do big things. They are not as organized,

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Speaker 2: they are not They're not as capable of the obstruction

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Speaker 2: and the media narratives and the dirty tricks and all

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Speaker 2: these things they've done in the past. So we really

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Speaker 2: need Trump and the team to come in and we

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Speaker 2: need day one j six pardons, massive deportation, escalation, removal

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Speaker 2: of all kinds of crappy Biden executive orders that have

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Speaker 2: made things worse for everybody. I mean, it's got to

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Speaker 2: just be like a Swiss watch right away and you know,

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Speaker 2: precise focused and frosty, and I think that we have

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Speaker 2: a really good chance of it.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. I want

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Speaker 3: to play this for you. React to it. On the

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Speaker 3: flip side, Trumpell was asked about whether or not he

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Speaker 3: might give a pardon to Eric Adams, mayor of New

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Speaker 3: York City. This is what he said about that a

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Speaker 3: little bit earlier today at mor Lago parking area.

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Speaker 1: Meads, yeah, I would.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: I think that he was treated pretty unfairly. Now I

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Speaker 9: haven't seen the gravity of it all, but it seems,

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Speaker 9: you know, like being upgraded in an airplane many years ago.

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Speaker 9: I know probably everybody here has been upgrade. They see

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Speaker 9: your all stars and they say, I want to upgrade

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Speaker 9: that person from NBC. I'm going to upgrade him, and

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Speaker 9: that would mean you'll spend the rest of your life

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Speaker 9: in prison.

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Speaker 1: I don't know somehow I would.

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Speaker 9: I mean, i'd have to see it, because I don't

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Speaker 9: know the facts. I think he was treated. You know,

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Speaker 9: it's very interesting when he essentially went against what was

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Speaker 9: happening with the migrants coming in, and you know, he

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Speaker 9: made some pretty strong statements like this is not sustainable.

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Speaker 9: I said, you know what, he'll be indicted soon. And

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Speaker 9: I said it not as a prediction, a little bit lightheartedly,

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Speaker 9: but I said it.

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Speaker 1: I said, he's going to be indicted and.

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Speaker 9: A few months later got indicted.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I would certainly look at it.

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Speaker 3: I think this buck would be a really smart move

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Speaker 3: we've set on this show January sixth. Pardons to me

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Speaker 3: are a no brainer. Question is every single one or not?

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's an interesting debate you could get into,

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Speaker 3: but a lot of them. Yes, I would pardon Eric Adams,

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Speaker 3: and I would do it on the first day, go

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Speaker 3: ahead and set a bypart as an example of trying

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Speaker 3: to clean the deck on law fair.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and I think that there's also an opportunity here

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Speaker 2: to help Eric Adams stay in place for the next

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Speaker 2: mayor's term. It's going to be a long shot right now,

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Speaker 2: but with the idea that he is going to be

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Speaker 2: very good on primarily the illegal immigration issue. He's not

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Speaker 2: red pilled, but he may be playing a role here.

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Speaker 2: And I also think that it's the right thing to

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Speaker 2: do for Trump to consider a pardon for him because

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Speaker 2: he is being hit because he defected from Team Lunatic