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Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants huddle on Giants

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Speaker 1: dot Com. Here we go, Here we go on the

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Speaker 1: Giants Let the Giants Podcast. Welcome to the newest edition

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Speaker 1: of the Giant Hubtle Podcast. I'm John Schmilk. Today's guest

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Speaker 1: is Daniel Jeremiah from NFL Network. Of course you saw

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Speaker 1: him on NFL Networks draft coverage. He's one of the

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Speaker 1: co host of the Move the Sticks podcast with Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: You can find them on Twitter at Move the Sticks DJ.

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Speaker 1: You got John Schmulk here in the Northeast. I hope

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Speaker 1: you are in the midst of planning some type of

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Speaker 1: vacation after the grind of the last month. I'm getting there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm getting there. So I'm gonna my vacation that consists of,

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Speaker 1: uh of flying to Dallas and driving my daughter's car

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Speaker 1: home for from college. So that's it's pretty wild over here.

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Speaker 1: But no, it's I'll get a little bit of a break.

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Speaker 1: I'll get a little break here coming up. This fun

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Speaker 1: This is a this is a fun draft is weird, right,

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Speaker 1: a weird scenario with no cobbine and everything, But it

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Speaker 1: ended up being a pretty entertaining process. Yeah, and I

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Speaker 1: think giant fans have wanted me in our calling show

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Speaker 1: to express to you their thanks for whativating Dave Gentleman

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Speaker 1: to turn right. Well done, my friend. Yeah, I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: looking forward to talking to Dave today, uh and visit

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Speaker 1: with him about that. I'm gonna go out the limit.

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Speaker 1: Say I didn't have a whole lot to do with

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Speaker 1: his draft strategy. There. It probably was, but it was

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Speaker 1: a lot of fun. It was a lot of fun

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Speaker 1: having that kind of back and forth. The best part

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Speaker 1: is I've never even met him, so I'm looking forward

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Speaker 1: to catching up with him. He's good friends with my

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Speaker 1: Charles played against him when he was a high school

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Speaker 1: player up in New York, so they do. They do

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Speaker 1: go back a long ways and it's funny your predictive powers. Man.

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Speaker 1: You're also one pick away from getting your Zack and

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Speaker 1: Slater combination with the Jets after the Trader. You better

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Speaker 1: be careful, man, Seriously, that was so close. I told

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Speaker 1: it's just think of me. Be a friend helped me

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Speaker 1: out here. This is great TV. But then he rebounded

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Speaker 1: um and ended up getting double Michael Carter's So I

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Speaker 1: was like, Okay, that's fine. You're not gonna get me

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Speaker 1: actings later, at least give me double up on the

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Speaker 1: micro Carters. One pick away from the Bayside Reunion, I

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Speaker 1: just hope you don't decide to use some powers for

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Speaker 1: evil one day. All right, let's get to the Giants here.

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Speaker 1: They decide to move down, which I think surprised everybody.

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Speaker 1: The pick that I think people thought they might make

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Speaker 1: after the Davante Smith won one pick before them was

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Speaker 1: maybe Rashaan Slater, but they moved down. Did you think

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Speaker 1: it was the right move? I think so. I think

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Speaker 1: more certainty with the process next year. So I'm all

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Speaker 1: third round. Aaron Robinson. We saw him at the Senior

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Speaker 1: Bowl and tape. All you see is slot, press man

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Speaker 1: seems to be the perfect guy to fill that role. Now. Yeah,

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