1 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: This thing, but neither, but I like it. I need 2 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: to be on the end. I need to be right 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: in the middle, I don't know, right next to my 4 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: co host every Wednesday night and also on Hanging with 5 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 1: the Boys on Dallas Cowboys dot Com, the Big Nate News. 6 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this right quick, like say it. That's 7 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: the teammate used to be a team. We used to 8 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: work at the enemy station time. Thank you, Nate. Why 9 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 1: you're introducing teammates, Why don't you introduce your other your 10 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:34,279 Speaker 1: teammate there at the end of the table, And now 11 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:36,959 Speaker 1: I want you to do it. You You've been very good. 12 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 1: I want you to see you getting this right. Okay, okay, 13 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: So teammates back in the nineties, back in the glory days. Yes, sir, 14 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:49,520 Speaker 1: defensive lineman, the great Russell Maryland. Well, first over around 15 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: picking what year nineteen ninety one he beat out our 16 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: last guest, last week's Rockett. Yeah, we I want to 17 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: know that that story. I only get into that because 18 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: I feel like if if you would have been here 19 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: last week with Rocket, there might be a little beef 20 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 1: still left over from that one. So what have you 21 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 1: been up to? Russell? Oh man? Uh? Really? Just kind 22 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: of just enjoying retirement and uh not trying to do 23 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: a lot of vocationally just yet. You know, I do 24 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: some speaking, some motivational speaking, and some charity work, but uh, 25 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 1: for the most part, I have really taken the time 26 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: to be with my kids, to grow them up. Uh. 27 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: You know, I have my daughters. He's he's out of 28 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 1: the house, off through college. Uh and now he's working 29 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 1: making it on her own. Uh. I have a senior 30 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: at the University in Miami, uh iris. And then I 31 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: have my son, who's uh he's my my my final one. 32 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: He's my football guy, and uh he is a senior 33 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: uh wide receiver, tight end. And uh so that's basically 34 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: what I've been doing these last couple of years, trying 35 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: to grow them up and sure that they are productive citizens. 36 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: And you're almost an empty nest almost. Yeah. And they 37 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: said your your your son is a heck of a 38 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:11,519 Speaker 1: football player. Oh wow, Yes, yes, I'm uh. He makes 39 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 1: me so proud. He's uh a better athlete than I 40 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: ever thought about being. I mean, he plays wide receiver 41 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:22,359 Speaker 1: over at south Lake Carroll High School and uh he 42 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: is man. He's got like I don't know how many receptions, 43 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 1: but like five hundred yards two more games to go 44 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 1: and like eight touchdowns. Wow, and he's really really rocking it. 45 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,959 Speaker 1: So I'm very proud of Russell Junior. It's his name, 46 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: or r J. Maryland. Yeah, yeah, wow, man, I'm a 47 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 1: big fan of people named RJ. There you go, there 48 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: we go. Are you a good sports dad? Like you know, 49 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: like some dads get like over buried and everything, You 50 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: know what RJ? I am. I just kind of sit 51 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: back and chill, and for the most part, I let 52 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: the coaches do the coaching. I don't want to be 53 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: the star of the show or I don't want to 54 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: be the guy that that guy who used to play 55 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 1: and that's trying to tell trying to tell everybody what 56 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: to do, you know. And I couldn't do it anyway 57 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 1: for him because he's a wide receiver. I know absolutely 58 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: nothing about running routes or catching balls. So you know, 59 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 1: if it ain't about putting my hands in the dirt 60 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: and trying to plug up holes, then I'm gonna sit back. 61 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: But even if my son wore a defensive linement, I 62 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: think I'd probably sit back and let the coaches coach, 63 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, just uh you know what I 64 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: do with my sons. This is what I do when 65 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: we get home. And uh, he said that let's watch 66 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: the practice, and I watched practice and I really just 67 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: kind of talk to him overall about the mentality of 68 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: the game and you know, how to go one hundred 69 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: percent or how to you know, the things that I 70 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: learned that kept me going that are just that every 71 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: football player at every position needs to know. And you know, 72 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: and and and I don't know if he got time, 73 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: but you ought to tell the story of how you 74 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: got to the university. He all got all guts and glory. Man, 75 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: I'm telling let's hear it. Yeah, I got plenty of 76 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: times of time. Nate's got to send out a tweet 77 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: and it's gonna take him at least the first so 78 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:20,119 Speaker 1: we got plenty of time. Well, well, to start that story, 79 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: I grew up South side of Chicago, uh, you know, 80 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: nineteen seventies, nineteen eighties, and it wasn't nothing special about me. 81 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: I was the middle child of three boys. My mom 82 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: worked for the Chicago Police Department as an accountant, so 83 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: I saw her work hard every day, get up early 84 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: every morning, fix us breakfast, get out, and my father 85 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 1: He worked for a better part of thirty years for 86 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 1: a christ Of Corporation. He was one of the first 87 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: African American his own managers in the Chicago Land area, 88 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 1: so he got up early. He traveled a lot different dealerships, 89 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: taking orders and all of that. So I saw him 90 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: working hard every day. And so they kind of instilled 91 00:04:56,640 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 1: in me that anything that I was to do, to 92 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: work hard at it. And uh I started playing football. 93 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: We didn't have the peewee leagues like they have here 94 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: in Texas. I didn't start until I was thirteen years 95 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 1: old freshman. First time I put on the pass and 96 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: I was terrible. Ud, Were you a big kid though? 97 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 1: I was pretty big. Yeah. I was pretty big, you know, 98 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: as a thirteen year old freshman, and uh I would 99 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: get nervous before every game, just you know, just wasn't 100 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: confident at all. But as a you know, sophomore year, 101 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 1: I got a little bit taller, a little bit bigger, 102 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 1: a little bit better until when I was a senior. 103 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: I was a three hundred and twenty five pounds seventeen 104 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 1: year old senior. I was pretty big, h and so 105 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: it was one thing that I knew that I can do. 106 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 1: By the time that I was a senior, as I 107 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: can move people around offensively on defensively, so I played 108 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 1: both ways and uh so um just but I wasn't 109 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: considered one of the tops in the Chicago Land areas, 110 00:05:56,160 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: thousands of kids playing Chicagoland football. I wasn't top at anything. 111 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:04,239 Speaker 1: But um uh you know, I got one scholarship offer, 112 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 1: and that was the Indiana State University. I could have 113 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: been a sycamore ry bird, that's it. It was like 114 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: who else played here? Uh arry bird. But my father, 115 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 1: unbeknownst to me, he really wanted me to go to 116 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 1: University of Miami. Uh and uh you know I didn't 117 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: really I wasn't really a college football fanatic. But my 118 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: father had plans for me that I didn't know about. 119 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: So he made me turn down the scholarship, uh to 120 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: the only scholarship offer to Indiana State. And uh, I 121 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 1: didn't know what was going on. I was like, I 122 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: just listened to my dad. You know. My dad was 123 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 1: bigger than I was. Yeah, I don't know, nobody go 124 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 1: against James Maryland so um and so uh you know, 125 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: he sent a VHS tape in mind. He put all 126 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: of my plays together. That was the first year in 127 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty six that we got video nineteen eighty five 128 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: season and he put, uh some clips on my tapes 129 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: together highlights highlights, yea, and send it to the University 130 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: of Miami, and uh, just I guess it got looked 131 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: at by the head guy at the time, Jimmy Johnson. 132 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: And Jimmy Johnson said, you're just gonna take a look 133 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: at this kid. He's pretty Uh he's a bat kid, 134 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: but uh got some potential and uh so long story short, 135 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: um on the they were recruiting another big name guy, 136 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: guy named meil Ag, remember Mail. Remember meil Ag was 137 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: the guy He had committed to the university in Miami 138 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty six up until the signing date. And 139 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: in the signing date it was between University of Miami 140 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: and Illinois, and he chose to go to Illinois. And 141 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: so coach Hubbert Alexander, who's recruiting me, who's recruiting us? 142 00:07:54,000 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: He said, hey, he's gone, and you know you're the man. 143 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: You still you still need a scholarship. And I'm like, 144 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: oh yeah, I'll take And I got the last collarship 145 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: to me and I'll take this story even for them 146 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: y'all remember Jimmy Jimmy we called him what we called 147 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: Jimmy who Jimmy Johns No, no, no, I'm talking the 148 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: defensive tackles Jones. Jimmy Jones. Swamp called him Swampy Swampy, 149 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: and Swampy was Swampy was from Open Toby, Florida. He 150 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: was one of the most when he wanted to be. 151 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: He was one of the most talented guys in the world. 152 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: And I think we got him in the third round, 153 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: second round or whatever. But anyway, we got the cow 154 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: Boys drafted him, and that's who Russ always had to 155 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: compete against. He always had to compete against him, had 156 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: sixteen one tens. You know, Swampy. Don't want to make 157 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: him Russ maker. So hey, Russ getting start, then Russ 158 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:08,199 Speaker 1: builds into who Russ we know today, Yes, sir, his 159 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: story is to me one of the greatest stories untold. 160 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: Y'all need to do one of them deep blues on 161 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: what Russ came through and what he and yes, sir, yes, sir, 162 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 1: we know somebody that might be able to make Yeah, Nick, Nick, 163 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: need to make that happen. Yeah, what do you remember? 164 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:27,439 Speaker 1: How do you remember Russ? As as a teammate once 165 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: he got to the pros, once y'all are on the 166 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: same team. He came here as a professional. See, you know, 167 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: I didn't come as a professional. I came as a 168 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 1: you know, for lack of a better word, just immature. 169 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: He came as a professional. He knew what he wanted 170 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: to do. He knew what coach Johnson still for, and 171 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: the ethics and the work as in the discipline. And 172 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: he was the guy, man I'm telling I to when 173 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: he went to the Raiders, this other great defensive linement 174 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:52,719 Speaker 1: play for Clempson, I can't remember his name. Came to 175 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: me and said, you know, man, Russ got great instincts. 176 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: He won't never follow him if they tell him to 177 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: stay in the eight, Yeah, Rusco, stay in the yeah, 178 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,079 Speaker 1: but he'll tell you before the play ball coming here, 179 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: look right here, he said. He just stopped making the plays. 180 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: I ain't thinking a great player, he said, Man russelle 181 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: of the greatest dudes that were. He great, great instincts, 182 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: but he needed to follow. All right, fellas, let's take 183 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 1: our first break when we come back. These Dallas Cowboys 184 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: had a week off. But you know what, it wouldn't 185 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,439 Speaker 1: be the Dallas Cowboys without a little bit of drama. Yeah, 186 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: something happened with the with the depth chart. Yes, he 187 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: got a quarterback that that that you know has a 188 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: little bit of an injury. Did he practice? Did he Ni? 189 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: Let's get some of that info on these current Dallas Cowboys. 190 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: We'll take our first break when we come back. All 191 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 1: of that and more. You're listening to Cowboys Cross Talk 192 00:10:47,760 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: of a Dallas Cowboys radio network to s WBC Mortgages 193 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: Cowboys Cross Talk about broadcasting live from Dallas Cowboys World 194 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: headquarters at the Star in Frisco. You're not normally I 195 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: would with our special guests, but we have special guests tonight. 196 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. Back to the show, RJ Choppy 197 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 1: Job three, the fan fame. To his right the great 198 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: Nate Newton n and to his right his former teammate 199 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: back in the good old days the nineties, Cowboy coming back, 200 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: Russell Maryland and Russ Before we get back to it, 201 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: did you know that at s WBC they have customized 202 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: solutions for individuals and businesses and they're just to click away. 203 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 1: Don't do like Nate, don't do it on the show. 204 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: Wait till after the show. Visit visit SWBC dot com 205 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: to learn more. Start your next picture. Let's speak about 206 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: those those those cowboys coming back, Nate? What what what? 207 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: We had a bye week? Right? Yes we did? The 208 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: Cowboys are five and one? Yes? Did you RJ start 209 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: with you? Did you see this coming? Did you see 210 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: five and one coming out of the bye week coming 211 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: at all? Well? I am six and oh and picking 212 00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: the games correctly the week of they go. But no, 213 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: I thought like four or two. I thought they would 214 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: have lost to Tampaka and then lost to New England 215 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: like before the season starts. Yeah. I just thought, you know, 216 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: going into England before buy, because week the week of 217 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: the buy is the tough one, right, that's right, mind Wanders, 218 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: that's uh so I had a four and two. But five, 219 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: I mean this team has played they've played six and 220 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: old football. Yeah, I mean you have a lead against 221 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: the champs in the final minute. I mean you're playing 222 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: six and old football. That's only lost. No, but I 223 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: didn't see five and one and the way they've done it. 224 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: I mean this is I mean, just buy your tickets man. Yeah, Russ, Russ, 225 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: you're thinking, Russ, what you think? You know what I'm thinking? That, 226 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: you know, for the games that I watched, I don't 227 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: you know, if my son asked me to watch him, 228 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: I watch them, But for the most part, I'll just 229 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: see the highlights and I look at, uh, you know, 230 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,359 Speaker 1: the leadership of it, and I try to make comparisons. 231 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: You know, I think, uh, Dak is a great leader. 232 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: I think, uh, you know, he's bringing along Zeke and 233 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: he's bringing the offense along, and uh, the defense just 234 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: has to you know, has to keep up with them, 235 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: you know, I think overall expressing defensively and really playing 236 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: over and above what people expected out of them. And 237 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: that's the thing that's the great surprise of the whole 238 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: season to have this guy Diggs making all these intercessions. 239 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: I mean, come home, man, that's just yea. And really 240 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: when zero a. Then I look at a guy like 241 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: Randy Gregory, who from where he came from when I 242 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: was helping helping the Cowboys out a couple of years ago, 243 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: from to see leaps some bounds that he's come from, 244 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: and now he's just come turning into a heck of 245 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: a player. I'm loving it. So when I see those 246 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: steps that are made by guys like that, and I 247 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: just have nothing but kudos for all of them. Nate, 248 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: you're the biggest homer on this panel. Picked him to 249 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: go sixteen or seventeen, and oh every year. Did you 250 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: see them realistically playing this kind of football this early 251 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: in the season. I saw a defense that was automatically 252 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: better just because they got new players. Yeah, that's how 253 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 1: terrible he was last year, child be just by lining 254 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: up guys saying, you know, that guy's just better because 255 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 1: he lined up right. Yeah, And we got guys now 256 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: that are lining up right and trying to mature. I didn't, 257 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: you know, I'm always picked the Cowboys every week, every 258 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: week to win. I can see it and I can vision. 259 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,640 Speaker 1: But I was like man, and you know, I put 260 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 1: on my little paper, you know, win win, win, But 261 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: I love some blanks. Like I thought we would be 262 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: three and three at best because of one thing we 263 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 1: did not fellas. We did not have a defense last year. 264 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 1: I don't care how you want to put it. Diggs 265 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 1: was getting it took to him. He came back and 266 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 1: downloaded all of this, digested this, and now he's a 267 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: better player. Gregory's got a base upon him where he's 268 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:50,120 Speaker 1: played a full training camp. No hiccups and he's done 269 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:54,159 Speaker 1: what he had to do Now. Even Anthony Brown, you 270 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:57,400 Speaker 1: can see sunlight because he's playing with more confidence, you know, 271 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 1: and he's a better player because he understands now that 272 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 1: what he has to do. Jordan Lewis understands I'm a 273 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: slot corner. If I see something over here, don't worry 274 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 1: about it. See just little things that I noticed from 275 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 1: last year where guys would think they can take the 276 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: games to their own hand. They're not doing that this 277 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: year because they have a coaching Quinn that says, this 278 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: is what I'm expected of you. If you don't do it, 279 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: we'll find another place for you. It didn't last year. 280 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 1: Like interior of the defensive line. They had guys like 281 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 1: that shouldn't be in that spot last year. A brother 282 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 1: don't even you know what, don't even get kill the 283 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: linebackers too. It hurts them. It didn't kill him in 284 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: Annihl later because one of them even here because of 285 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: that bad defense behind we had last year. And we 286 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 1: still need some growing because I'm gonna jump a little 287 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: bit ahead, like I told my guys on the show 288 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 1: here Shannon, and what we do during the week, if 289 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 1: our middle of our defense. If they fix that, I 290 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:54,120 Speaker 1: fear no one. I fear no one. If they can 291 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: fix the middle of that defense with Gallimore coming back, 292 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:59,360 Speaker 1: and if they can find some because I'm not I'm 293 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: not gonna believe it. Tristian Hill, I'm sorry, you got 294 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 1: to show me, but Gallup showed me flashes. And if 295 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 1: he come back and can stop that helps stop that run. Yeah, 296 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,919 Speaker 1: I mean, I take you take it back to ninety 297 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:17,479 Speaker 1: one and when when I came in and you know, 298 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:21,439 Speaker 1: we had guys like Danny Noonane Dean Hamill. Then you 299 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 1: know I love those guys, but they were, like you, 300 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 1: the number one pick in the draft. You you don't 301 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:27,919 Speaker 1: figure it out on your own, right. But the thing 302 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 1: about it, I was well trained in my years at 303 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,880 Speaker 1: the Universe in Miami, Butch Davis how to play the run. 304 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: And that was the number one thing. It was playing 305 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: the run. It didn't matter I was a number one pick. 306 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 1: And you know, I don't know what people were expecting 307 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 1: of me to make all kinds of sacks, but my 308 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:47,959 Speaker 1: specialty was against the run, holding big offensive lineman like 309 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 1: Nate off of my linebackers, off of Dixon that was 310 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: off of yeah, and letting those linebackers run behind me, 311 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 1: and if they make the tackle, that's great. If I 312 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 1: make the tackle, that's great. But all starts on playing 313 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: the run up front. And then the last couple of years, 314 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: especially last year, I looked at how some of our 315 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 1: especially the interior linement, weren't playing the run as well 316 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 1: as they could have been, and we were getting gassed. 317 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 1: And if you can't stop the run, you can't get 318 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 1: off the field. You can't r J. Nate said, just 319 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: by getting new players, he knew they were going to 320 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: get better. One did you see this? I think everybody 321 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: that knows the Cowboys well thought if they could get 322 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: the middle of the pack defense seventeen or better, that 323 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 1: this was a contender. But did you see them getting 324 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 1: this better this fast? And what do you attribute it to? 325 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: I mean, he's kind of right. I mean, just by 326 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: getting new players, like just by getting on the field, 327 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 1: they were never gonna be as bad as they were 328 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,199 Speaker 1: last year. Like there was really no way that teams 329 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: don't have I mean, look up the teams at the 330 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: top of the defense last year, Rams Bucks, they've dropped down, Washington, 331 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 1: They've dropped back a little bit. It's hard, it's almost 332 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: impossible to maintain your same defense year to year. They 333 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 1: were gonna be better because they weren't gonna get I mean, 334 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:00,959 Speaker 1: how many fumbles and turn overs that have last year 335 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:02,959 Speaker 1: that put them in bad spots where you're already on 336 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 1: your side of the field, so you're giving up points 337 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: that are short fields. And you know what, wasn't gonna 338 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: happen again, Zeke stock in a fumble five times in 339 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: six games again, and Dak wasn't gonna you know, get 340 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:17,440 Speaker 1: hurt again. Knock on wood and you know, right everybody, Yeah, 341 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 1: so I mean yeah, but you know what I mean, 342 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:24,640 Speaker 1: I mean hurt her, I mean hurt her. Yeah. Man, 343 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: you're gonna you're gonna down Okay, dang man. But they 344 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: were just gonna be better, like by default. You know, 345 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 1: you see Diggs, you know Dick's second year end. I mean, 346 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 1: nobody expected this. You downloaded, bro, you like to compute them, 347 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 1: You downloaded, Russ what you think? Run? Oh, I'll tell 348 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 1: you what. It comes to a point where things just click. Yeah. 349 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: For me, it was my third year and just things 350 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,199 Speaker 1: just I felt like I was in his own and 351 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 1: I was like, man, I got this, and you've seen 352 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,640 Speaker 1: things before. Uh you know, you know when the block 353 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,120 Speaker 1: is happening, you know when the ball's coming your way. 354 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 1: I could say the same thing about Diggs. I mean 355 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 1: you see them over just jumping routes and just taking 356 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,199 Speaker 1: that ball and just being in the right place at 357 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 1: the right times. As Nate says, you're downloaded. It's like 358 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: you're playing the zone and you're you're ready. You just like, hey, 359 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: I'm here and I'm ready to play. This is what 360 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: bothers me, you know. And and I say what I 361 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: say because when I talked to coach Quinn doing training camp, 362 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 1: I stopped him just two times and said, Coach, I'm 363 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: not gonna be one of them guys. I can see 364 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 1: film and get a good understanding of what's going on. 365 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: What made you get the kid from kentucking, What made 366 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:34,440 Speaker 1: you like um Hampton? What is that? No, not Bohanna? 367 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: Then other kid with an age, other big stuck, stocky kid. 368 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: But anyway, I'm asking him about these players, I'm asking 369 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: him about Parsons. And he said, this is my role 370 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: I see for him, this is my role. I see 371 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:47,880 Speaker 1: for him, this is my role. He had a role 372 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,479 Speaker 1: for every player, and he said, I'm not asking him 373 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 1: to do nothing more than what that was. Jimmy Ye 374 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: I've seen Jimmy Cuss coaches. What is he doing in 375 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: game in this situation anyway, Don't put a kid in 376 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,199 Speaker 1: a position to fail. Put a kid that's what you 377 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: do as a coach. That's what we did not do 378 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 1: last year, be at the Zoom meetings. Defensively, we did. 379 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: None of our guys should have been standing up, d 380 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 1: law Evan, Sir Griffin, none of them guys should have 381 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: been standing up. They should have been down with their 382 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 1: hands in the dirt. And you should have been playing 383 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: the type of defense. Now we weren't gonna fix the 384 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: middle of our defense done. Terry Poe was not ready 385 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 1: to play for the Dallas Cowboys. He had already shed 386 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: it down him and a few other guys. And so 387 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: that's why I say, these guys knew who they were. 388 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 1: Everybody has a role. Yeah, Coase Johnson is basically his 389 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: three edicts were get good players, get rid of the 390 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 1: bad players. Those good players that you have put them 391 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,479 Speaker 1: in a position to be successful. That's it. It's simple. 392 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 1: It's simple. Nate in the beginning, where you one of 393 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: the good players that he was trying to get or 394 00:23:58,000 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 1: one of the bad players he was trying to get 395 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,399 Speaker 1: rid of. You know what. The thing the thing about 396 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:06,120 Speaker 1: it is, I see, I know my story. I wasn't 397 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 1: given great grades to coach Johnson by my former staff. 398 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: But Coach Johnson had an eye for film, and he said, 399 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with this dude. Yeah, we're 400 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:18,959 Speaker 1: gonna We're gonna the way. It gonna be a challenge. 401 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 1: Look at his feet. He can move people off the ball. 402 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 1: He knew talent. See a lot of times you let 403 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 1: the girls get in the way of what you're trying to. 404 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: Look at you you can't see this the athlete for 405 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 1: the fat baby, he saw that we got I can 406 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 1: attest because if he saw the fat for me coming 407 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,159 Speaker 1: out of Chicago, Man, I've still been in Chicago right now. 408 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: But he saw, he saw the feat He saw a 409 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 1: little bit of speed there. He said, you know what 410 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 1: this guy, you know he's not determination bro. Yeah, he said, 411 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 1: he's not necessarily a prospect or the best prospect, but 412 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: he could be a project we can work with. All right, 413 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: we're gonna take our next break. Before we go to break, 414 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: r J did the did the depth chart come out? 415 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 1: After y'all show this morning, did yes, I want to 416 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 1: get since you haven't had a chance to talk about 417 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 1: the depth chart it came up and Coach McCarthy's press conference, 418 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,439 Speaker 1: Nate has an opinion on it, and and I want to 419 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: get your and Russell's opinion on it when we come back. 420 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,640 Speaker 1: You're listening to Cowboys Cross Talk on the Dallas Cowboys 421 00:25:22,760 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: Radio Network to SWBC Mortgages Cowboys Cross Talk, Yeah, broadcasting 422 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:34,360 Speaker 1: live from Dallas Cowboys World Headquarters at the Star. 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I guess 432 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: he had to address in his his morning press conference. 433 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: Let's just put it that way. And when one Lyle 434 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 1: Collins wound up being uh not. He's back in the 435 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 1: rotation this week and he's not listed as a starter. 436 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: He's listed as a backup. I guess, uh what what 437 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: would you say? Tackle? Guard? Yeah, right, tackle, he's at 438 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: backup in the left guard. He's a backup. And I'm 439 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: gonna tell the unique thing about that is normal. You 440 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: have a swing tackle, right, but he ain't swinging tackle. 441 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: He's swinging everything. Yeah, he's just swinging yeah. Yeah, yeah, 442 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 1: And so for you just but be specific at two positions. Yeah, 443 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: which position he played back in sixteen? The left guard? 444 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: I'm you know. And what I was impressed about was 445 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 1: coach McCarthy must have got in front of the mirror 446 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: and practice the attack that came at him in the 447 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 1: different angles that that the local media brought at him. 448 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 1: And he just answered he was dealing. But he was dealing, man, 449 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: That's what I liked about it. It wasn't he didn't 450 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 1: take time to get a normal Well let me think 451 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 1: about this so I can get it right. It's like 452 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 1: he's like, hey, rich Preppton Rich got him right from 453 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 1: from from Lyle all the way to Dak, I mean, 454 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 1: and he was changing stories in the middle of each time. 455 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 1: But he was kind of getting he was being consistent. 456 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 1: So I like that. So RJ, does that mean to 457 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: you that they're just trying to get him back in 458 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 1: quote unquote football shape or does that mean that he's there? 459 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,959 Speaker 1: He's there? Possibly? Okay, this is your new role. Well 460 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: you know what Tuesday is? What's Tuesday? Isn't that the deadline? 461 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 1: That is the deadline? Uh? Wow, that's really what. I 462 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: don't know. That's the trade dead chopping. Boy, you gm chopping. 463 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 1: There's like thirty one teams. I could be Um, I 464 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 1: don't I don't know what. I don't know what. I 465 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 1: don't know what to make of it because usually, like 466 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: I don't know when when you come back, do you do? 467 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 1: You think you most time you just get your job 468 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 1: back there. And I know it didn't happen with somebody 469 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: here if you before kept it. Yeah, you're right if 470 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 1: you are the better player, or what happens is you 471 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 1: win with this one guy. And so we knew it 472 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 1: that it was over twelve thirteen games that yeah won, 473 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: it was like eleven game, which but you don't stop that. Yeah, 474 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 1: But now to me, and I'm thinking even to the 475 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 1: guy that works with y'all, broader. I think Lya is 476 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: the better right tackle, but coach mccarthur ain't see him 477 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 1: one game out of him. Yeah, and and and this 478 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 1: is what really hurt. But this morning is one of 479 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 1: our podcast members of Amberg garcias I think, and she said, 480 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 1: I don't care what they do as long as Dak's 481 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 1: standing up at the end the game. And so that 482 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 1: made me think that Russ, what you think, man, Normally, 483 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:07,959 Speaker 1: if you better than the other guy, you get your 484 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: job back. Yeah, you would think. But uh, I honestly 485 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 1: believe that coach McCarthy is maybe sending a message to 486 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: him just basically say hey, um, you know, let's get 487 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: your mind right, get yourself together and uh, you know, 488 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 1: just think about some things. Get just get your Uh. 489 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 1: I think it might be a motivational type of thing. Yeah, 490 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 1: for the hell and uh for some players just being 491 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 1: sat down like that really uh, you know, get some motivated. 492 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 1: So I think it could be like a motivating gesture 493 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 1: on coach McCarthy's park for him that maybe maybe conditioningwise, 494 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 1: he ain't ain't ready yet. Although I mean it's not 495 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 1: like he's coming back from an injury. It's probably not 496 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 1: a conditioned thing, And I don't want to say it's 497 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: a punishment thing because he's already been punished, but maybe 498 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: it is a message that to try to send. And 499 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 1: then also the continuity of it all. I mean, you're 500 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 1: doing good with with still yeah, so it's kind of like, oh, man, 501 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 1: you know you don't want to just leave leave what 502 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 1: you got a loan, so that that could be uh, 503 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 1: that could be what it is too. See. The thing 504 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:15,959 Speaker 1: is I would like to talk to Lyle, Yeah, I 505 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 1: really would. But Lyle he's a he's an ultimate professional. 506 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 1: He's not going to divulge anything. So but the guy 507 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,960 Speaker 1: that gets the chance talking to Lyle or his agent, 508 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 1: because agents don't care, they will talk. You know that 509 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 1: I would like to know because to me, Lyle is 510 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 1: the better right tackle, but he's also better than the 511 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: left guard. So yeah, you know, I'm saying in my mind, 512 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 1: what is coach doing? But then I remember what a 513 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 1: young lady said this morning at the end of the game, 514 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 1: I need number four standing up and as health as 515 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 1: he can be. What is going on? What's the conversation 516 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 1: like today when this came out in the offensive line room. 517 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 1: Knowing that Lyle's a guy, he's a veteran. He's a 518 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: guy that's been on this team, that's worked, that's a 519 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: right player. You know, what's that? What's that talk like? 520 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 1: Like when he comes in and they see that, is it? 521 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 1: Is it? Kind of? You don't really talk about it 522 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: or you you cracking jokes like, oh man, you lost 523 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 1: your job. Like the closest thing that ever happened to 524 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:19,360 Speaker 1: that was coach Johnson. See that's one thing I reminded 525 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,320 Speaker 1: about Coach Johnson. I don't know coach mccarthon his tackle, 526 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,840 Speaker 1: but I remember when they want to Eric at right tackle, 527 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: Coach Johnson, Kane rat and I'll meet him and said, 528 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,400 Speaker 1: I don't care what y'all do. I don't serious. I 529 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 1: want Eric Eric Williams my starting right tap. I was 530 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 1: the starting right tap at the time. So you know, 531 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 1: I tell people I'm happy to go lucky, which you 532 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 1: mess with my money. I wouldn't ran Coach Johnson now 533 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 1: right for the next practice. It was two other day. 534 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,360 Speaker 1: I was looking him, Man, you told me when you 535 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 1: threw me at this right tackle, which I didn't want 536 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,399 Speaker 1: to be either, I was gonna be cut. I play 537 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,840 Speaker 1: right tackle. I'm still one of the best five offensive 538 00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 1: mind do I go back home to my left car. 539 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 1: Next day, I'm s the left guard upright. Kevin Gogan 540 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 1: was upset. Vin, I can't believe that I just lost 541 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 1: my job, because he goes nation lost job and all 542 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:17,840 Speaker 1: I know politics too. I'll tell you what a similar 543 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 1: situation happened with me when my fifth year that I 544 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,719 Speaker 1: was there in nineteen ninety five, even Dion came So 545 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,319 Speaker 1: Dion came in and that kind of shuffles some things 546 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 1: over the money, right, yeah. So and so I got 547 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:37,239 Speaker 1: a tip between one practice from from a media guy said, Hey, Russell, Man, 548 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 1: I heard you about to get traded. I said really. 549 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 1: I was like, well, I'd be there and so so 550 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 1: I can't do nothing about it. And then, uh I 551 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,720 Speaker 1: went through practice and people were looking at me funny, 552 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 1: you know, and I was I was like, man. So 553 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 1: as soon as after practice I called my agent. I 554 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: was like, hey, what's going on? And I talked to 555 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 1: the Secretary of Secretaries. Oh, agent not in the office 556 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,960 Speaker 1: at this moment. Uh, I'll just leave a message. I'm 557 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,800 Speaker 1: been knowns to me. My agent was flying here. Troy 558 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 1: and I had the same agent, and so, uh I 559 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 1: didn't I heard from him after I saw Troy coming 560 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,360 Speaker 1: out of the office with my agent at the time 561 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 1: and they had redone Troy's contract. So that saved me 562 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,359 Speaker 1: right and saved me. So he called me up. He's like, oh, 563 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,799 Speaker 1: you know, hey, things happened like that. Don't worry. Go 564 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:34,719 Speaker 1: get some rest, you know, and if you can sleep. Yeah, 565 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:40,800 Speaker 1: if I was nervous as heck man, Yeah, I'm telling you. 566 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 1: Kevin Gogan. One thing I loved about Kevin, whereas they knew, 567 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,319 Speaker 1: I would have took it and not said a lot. 568 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,240 Speaker 1: And I was saving that same having fun type guy 569 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,920 Speaker 1: and looking at people kind of crazy. But Kevin Gogan 570 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,719 Speaker 1: was not happy the rest of the year. Kevin was 571 00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 1: vocal when it was not disrupted the team. He did 572 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 1: not this rupt team. But whenever he had a chance 573 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,320 Speaker 1: to take a shot at coaches, he took a shot. 574 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:09,840 Speaker 1: You know, intelligent, smart way, you know, he let everybody know. 575 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,279 Speaker 1: And with the first chance he got, he went to 576 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 1: the Raiders and uh that. But we were a very 577 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:20,120 Speaker 1: very good team and we had starters at backup. I 578 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,799 Speaker 1: would have been a starter at backup, Kevin Golden, John Gees, 579 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,520 Speaker 1: we had starters at back. We had a luxury yeah, 580 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:31,520 Speaker 1: be line also, Yeah, rotating three or four defensive tackles 581 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 1: in between me, Tonica Siers, Chad Henning's Leon Lett. I 582 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,399 Speaker 1: mean it'll be times, you know, I come in there 583 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,520 Speaker 1: in fourth quarter, man, I'd be fresh, ready to go, 584 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,799 Speaker 1: and then be guys down, you know, because we had 585 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,040 Speaker 1: to rotate when we had a lot of good depth. 586 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,799 Speaker 1: And see the thing that's amazing is that Cowboys have 587 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:55,360 Speaker 1: that in their offensive line. Now we I don't like 588 00:37:55,560 --> 00:38:02,319 Speaker 1: comparing eight erors, but our guys way better. Far as 589 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:07,439 Speaker 1: I'm talking about, our center is a question mark. He's 590 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,240 Speaker 1: growing and getting better. I'm talking about the day's center. Yeah. Yeah, 591 00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 1: we didn't have a question mark. It was big baby 592 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,239 Speaker 1: Stepnoski and the other kid that we another guy we 593 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:20,000 Speaker 1: got from from from the from the Coats and big 594 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,799 Speaker 1: bruise of guy. And so they were all starters. And 595 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,640 Speaker 1: so the league is more thinner now. Raynald Yeah, Ray Donalds. 596 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:30,720 Speaker 1: So we had Yeah, you can't keep that great player. 597 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:35,839 Speaker 1: So now you got Lyell And I know, I know 598 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,880 Speaker 1: he may shake coach hand and say I'll do whatever 599 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,680 Speaker 1: it takes, but he ain't his agent getting an earfull. Yeah, 600 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,200 Speaker 1: there's getting There's really two ways you can build a 601 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,600 Speaker 1: team now a lot of stars in no bench or 602 00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,600 Speaker 1: no stars in a big bench, where it's just like 603 00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,319 Speaker 1: you gotta pick your poison, yes, sir, And that's that's 604 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,680 Speaker 1: one thing that I think this team has it they 605 00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 1: haven't had in a while is offense and defense. You 606 00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,239 Speaker 1: have you have a little bit of depth. That's where 607 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,080 Speaker 1: before it was like you were going to get guys 608 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,200 Speaker 1: off the couch to hey, we need you to play 609 00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,319 Speaker 1: this week and plugging him right in. So that's not 610 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,000 Speaker 1: the talent, not the not the near the depth you 611 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:11,960 Speaker 1: guys had in the nineties. But I think this is 612 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,479 Speaker 1: a luxury that they have this year that they haven't 613 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,279 Speaker 1: had a long time, on both sides of the ball. 614 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:21,120 Speaker 1: That bad year last year allowed coach Philbin coach kelling 615 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,799 Speaker 1: because I said that, right, Did I say kell him right? 616 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 1: You said it with an end on the end instead 617 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:31,920 Speaker 1: of him, So kell him, You're getting better. Let me 618 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:36,600 Speaker 1: say about kell Him Moore, which I used to criticize 619 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,560 Speaker 1: totally last year. I used to crush him, Shannon to 620 00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:43,279 Speaker 1: tell you, but he's grown. The players have grown, and 621 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,440 Speaker 1: I'm and I told him and I told everybody this 622 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 1: today on our podcast. Kell him a little secret here. 623 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,279 Speaker 1: If you do become a head coach next year, you 624 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:57,080 Speaker 1: better take coach Philman. You better take him. That's your 625 00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,040 Speaker 1: MVP so far? Yes, about to take coach Philman? What 626 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:01,200 Speaker 1: do you What do you think? R J? What do 627 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:05,239 Speaker 1: you coaching wise? Who's your MVP? On the coaching state? 628 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,560 Speaker 1: A lot of people are gonna say dan Quinn, Nate 629 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,960 Speaker 1: thinks it's fielding. Oh yes. Some people may say Kellen Moore, 630 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:15,200 Speaker 1: Kelly Kellen More plays who who do you the kid 631 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,600 Speaker 1: from Boys? Who do you think? I mean, look, the 632 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:22,399 Speaker 1: offense is unstoppable right now. I don't know that. I mean, 633 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,160 Speaker 1: you got to give a lot of credit to Kellen, 634 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,640 Speaker 1: but I mean you've got Dad, got to Kellen Porna, Okay, 635 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,160 Speaker 1: you got you got you got Dad, got CD gotta 636 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,600 Speaker 1: mar you got z playing playing well again and the 637 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,120 Speaker 1: old line's giving him room to run. I mean, you 638 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,440 Speaker 1: know that's it's almost on cruise control. I think it 639 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,000 Speaker 1: has to be Dan Quinn. He did. He did. The 640 00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,040 Speaker 1: one thing he had to do is that he made 641 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,440 Speaker 1: he simplified the defense, and he made he allowed the 642 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:48,719 Speaker 1: players to play spots that that that fits their skill set. Yes, 643 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 1: and and we just didn't see that the defensive line 644 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,319 Speaker 1: last year, those guys are playing out of position a 645 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,520 Speaker 1: lot of times, and that that to me, that changed 646 00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,359 Speaker 1: the entire course of this team. This team was having 647 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,000 Speaker 1: to win games because of Dak was putting up forty 648 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:03,920 Speaker 1: four points last year and in a few games that 649 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,680 Speaker 1: he played. And now they can win a normal football game, 650 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,560 Speaker 1: you know, and not not a rat race. They can 651 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,000 Speaker 1: win a normal game, right right, Wow, I have to 652 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,239 Speaker 1: agree with you, even though I haven't looked at it 653 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,840 Speaker 1: that closely, but I'd have to say, just basically on 654 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,680 Speaker 1: what I've heard about Coach Quinn had a chance to 655 00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,720 Speaker 1: meet him when he was Atlanta. Uh, my boy, quartet 656 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,520 Speaker 1: can be Yeah, yeah, he really knew him well when 657 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:31,359 Speaker 1: he's uh you know at Seahawks and afterwards. Uh, Coach 658 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,800 Speaker 1: Quinn has really been able to put guys in a 659 00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:37,960 Speaker 1: position to just to to improve and you see that 660 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,719 Speaker 1: steady improvement over this this year from last year. And 661 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,200 Speaker 1: uh so I'd have to I'd have to agree with you, 662 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,920 Speaker 1: r JE Coach Quinn. All right, man, time flies when 663 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,640 Speaker 1: you have a when you're in great show is almost over, 664 00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,359 Speaker 1: but we have one more segment. It will save the 665 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,480 Speaker 1: best for last let's let's when we come back, let's talk. 666 00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,640 Speaker 1: Are we worried about DAK And then there's a football 667 00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:06,440 Speaker 1: game up north on Sunday against possibly the second best 668 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,600 Speaker 1: team they faced so far. The more I look at 669 00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,719 Speaker 1: this game, the more I get worried. Once when I 670 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:13,920 Speaker 1: look back at who they played in the margin of 671 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,920 Speaker 1: victory and who they've beaten, I'm starting to get worried. 672 00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:19,719 Speaker 1: I thought this was gonna be Oh yeah, they're gonna 673 00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:21,799 Speaker 1: They're gonna kill these guys. But I'm getting a little worried. 674 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,040 Speaker 1: I want to get y'all's take on that, all that 675 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:29,440 Speaker 1: and maybe more when we come back. Listen to Cowboys 676 00:42:29,440 --> 00:45:28,120 Speaker 1: Cross Talk on the Dallas Cowboys Radio Network to s 677 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:34,640 Speaker 1: WBC Mortgages Cowboys Cross Talk broadcasting live from Dallas Cowboys 678 00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:41,040 Speaker 1: World Headquarters at the Star in Frisco. Back to the 679 00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,799 Speaker 1: final segment of the show, and what a show it's been. 680 00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,040 Speaker 1: Shann and Gross joined by r. J. Choppy to his right, 681 00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,600 Speaker 1: the Great Nate Newton to his right, our guest of honor, 682 00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:54,600 Speaker 1: and I Russell Maryland. Final segment, Thanks for joining us, Russ. 683 00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:59,520 Speaker 1: Before we get into the last segment of current Cowboys Football, 684 00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,600 Speaker 1: Believe it or not, and you wouldn't know a boy 685 00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,719 Speaker 1: being around him or listening to him. But Nate's a 686 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,400 Speaker 1: very humble guy. Nate doesn't like to talk about himself. 687 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,160 Speaker 1: Uh huh, I want to know, we have an opportunity. 688 00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,239 Speaker 1: You guys used to go against each other in practice. Yeah. 689 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,920 Speaker 1: What was Nate like on the football field? Man? Tell 690 00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:23,280 Speaker 1: you what? Uh? Competitor? Uh you know, always happy, go lucky, 691 00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:27,280 Speaker 1: fun cracking jokes. But when it came down to practicing, 692 00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,319 Speaker 1: Nate was a competitor. I remember going up against some 693 00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,480 Speaker 1: plenty of times and one on one pass rush. Yeah yeah, yeah, 694 00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:37,640 Speaker 1: oh man, you know I tried my best to you know, 695 00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:41,480 Speaker 1: do some moves and getting you get back to the 696 00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:45,120 Speaker 1: quarterback haveing Nate clapped them hands got me. Yeah yeah, 697 00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:53,880 Speaker 1: but uh so now we remember that. Yeah, but you know, uh, 698 00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,239 Speaker 1: Nate had his time where I would be the one 699 00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:00,440 Speaker 1: that uh, I'm gonna tell you I'll Rotate was so 700 00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:06,439 Speaker 1: great and he named it consilious, henning him leon. These 701 00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:10,720 Speaker 1: were all three different, all four different type built guys. Yeah, 702 00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:12,840 Speaker 1: and you weren't gonna never get the same. So you 703 00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,759 Speaker 1: couldn't lock in on the guy in practice like now 704 00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:16,319 Speaker 1: you can kind of lock in on the guy in 705 00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,520 Speaker 1: practice because the talent, but you could never lock in. 706 00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,000 Speaker 1: You got three four different Russians every time. I'm like, wow, 707 00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:27,640 Speaker 1: you know, and uh. And even in practice they wanted 708 00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:29,319 Speaker 1: us to go through a couple of times, you know 709 00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,160 Speaker 1: how they replaced guys. But we had to stand there 710 00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,000 Speaker 1: all through two rounds of it. They wanted you to 711 00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,600 Speaker 1: go through two rounds. Two times you go, I go 712 00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:41,200 Speaker 1: against russ two times. Russell leave out there, Hi, Leon Man, 713 00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,040 Speaker 1: I gotta wait all the way they get back. And 714 00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:44,840 Speaker 1: now I'm looking at Leo. Okay, what do I remember 715 00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:46,640 Speaker 1: the film that Leo are gonna do? But I know 716 00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,120 Speaker 1: his arms is gonna be eight inches longer than mine. 717 00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:53,920 Speaker 1: So if it was competitive, man, But I'm telling you 718 00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,400 Speaker 1: that was then, this is now. And it was the 719 00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,840 Speaker 1: same way this year. For for our defense, it was 720 00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,680 Speaker 1: they were much better passed Russians. They gave our offensive 721 00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:08,080 Speaker 1: line and training camp much better pass rus It was 722 00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:09,840 Speaker 1: something to go back and look at this year, and 723 00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,120 Speaker 1: that was a good thing. The main thing about that 724 00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:14,880 Speaker 1: is Iron Sharper's irons. Yeah, I mean, and uh, you know, 725 00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,920 Speaker 1: back in the ninety one or whether it's happening today, 726 00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:22,520 Speaker 1: you go out there and you make each other better. Stepnowski, Yeah, 727 00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,520 Speaker 1: you know we didn't. We didn't talk a whole bunch, 728 00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,399 Speaker 1: you know, during the you know, off the field, But 729 00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,319 Speaker 1: when it came to practice, he gave me his best. Yeah, 730 00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:32,799 Speaker 1: and I gave him my best. And I knew that 731 00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,799 Speaker 1: anybody that I went up against wouldn't be better than 732 00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:37,520 Speaker 1: the guys that I was going up against, whether it 733 00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:44,040 Speaker 1: be Larry Allen, Stepnowski, Rayon Donaldson, Big Nate, John Geeson, Golgen. 734 00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,640 Speaker 1: I mean, I knew it wasn't those those guys I 735 00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,799 Speaker 1: had the best throughout the week, Sundays would be easy 736 00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,719 Speaker 1: says something. Ain't that amazing. I'm gonna say. I'm gonna 737 00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,879 Speaker 1: tell you what it was amazing is I didn't care 738 00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:00,200 Speaker 1: who you was. You're rather practice against me in they 739 00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:06,920 Speaker 1: didn't go against and seeing but we had we brother 740 00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,600 Speaker 1: in law. Everybody brother you were brother in law because 741 00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,799 Speaker 1: in certain days you're like, man, I ain't feeling in today, Yo, Man, 742 00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:16,000 Speaker 1: don't kill me today. You know, you know, you know, 743 00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,759 Speaker 1: don't don't do this to me today. Yeah. And I'm 744 00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:23,040 Speaker 1: telling you even Tony Tober, which I hope he'll be 745 00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,600 Speaker 1: on the show, in December, who used to go hard 746 00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,600 Speaker 1: all the time, him in big e doesn't work out 747 00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:34,440 Speaker 1: a scheme because one because Jimmy demanded that you practice 748 00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,160 Speaker 1: at a high level. He demanded that so even when 749 00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:41,560 Speaker 1: you brother in law, you better be giving a cricketer RJ. 750 00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:45,480 Speaker 1: This team thirty five or more points four weeks in 751 00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,719 Speaker 1: a row. If they do it again this week, they 752 00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:52,080 Speaker 1: set a franchise record for most most thirty five point 753 00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:57,680 Speaker 1: games or more in franchise history. Interrupt, interrupt in a row? 754 00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:01,120 Speaker 1: What do you? What do you? What do you? How 755 00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,120 Speaker 1: do you put Dak into words of what he's doing? 756 00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:07,000 Speaker 1: Because the one the one thing I love Dak, great human, 757 00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:11,600 Speaker 1: great leader, has done everything at every level anyone's ever 758 00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:13,799 Speaker 1: asked him, and everybody's been like, he's okay, he's okay. 759 00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,560 Speaker 1: The one thing I've always been a little worried about 760 00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:18,880 Speaker 1: is I've never seen him put a team on his 761 00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,880 Speaker 1: back consistently when they needed to. And he did it 762 00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,319 Speaker 1: in New England when he had a terrible game and 763 00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,040 Speaker 1: he went right down the field and they wound up 764 00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,200 Speaker 1: winning the game. And I'm like, okay, he's all right, 765 00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:32,520 Speaker 1: he's he's he's elite to me now, what he's doing. 766 00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,640 Speaker 1: So what do you think about Dak And are you 767 00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:41,960 Speaker 1: worried about his worried about the calf injury? Um No, 768 00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:46,680 Speaker 1: I'm not worried about it everything. I mean long term, 769 00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:48,919 Speaker 1: not worried about it, even it may impact him this week. 770 00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:50,920 Speaker 1: But I mean in terms of him and how he's 771 00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:55,920 Speaker 1: played this year, I mean, it's almost like it's like 772 00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,600 Speaker 1: he's got the answers to the test now, like he 773 00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,239 Speaker 1: knows what's coming, like there's nothing he hasn't seen. And 774 00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,279 Speaker 1: you always think around like year six, that those guys 775 00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,600 Speaker 1: year six they make that jump and you know, for me, 776 00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,480 Speaker 1: what I what I've noticed is and you'll see a 777 00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:11,680 Speaker 1: lot of guys like they can't do this, and then 778 00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:14,719 Speaker 1: they finally figure out that they have to just be 779 00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:16,879 Speaker 1: patient and they can't get that big play all at once, 780 00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:18,399 Speaker 1: and if it has to be a three yard run, 781 00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,040 Speaker 1: then it's got to be a three yard run, and 782 00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:21,600 Speaker 1: if it's got to be a short pass, it's got 783 00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:23,120 Speaker 1: to be a short pass. And he's always done a 784 00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,359 Speaker 1: good job of doing that, I think, but this year 785 00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:28,160 Speaker 1: it just seems like his mind's kind of like in 786 00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,759 Speaker 1: that zone where he knows what the defense is gonna do. 787 00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,520 Speaker 1: He's a step ahead of them. He's using his talent, 788 00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:35,960 Speaker 1: using his mind, and he's not really having to use 789 00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:39,759 Speaker 1: his feet all that much either. Big rush rush. So 790 00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,200 Speaker 1: what I would say as far as my important thing 791 00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,200 Speaker 1: on the team, you know, when when I play, we 792 00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,360 Speaker 1: broke it. I broke the season up in the four quarters. 793 00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:52,359 Speaker 1: And Coach Johnson always used to driving us as far 794 00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,640 Speaker 1: as the game the fourth quarter, you have to be strongest. 795 00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,480 Speaker 1: You have to win the fourth quarter, and I just 796 00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:00,799 Speaker 1: I took that, and you have to win the fourth 797 00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:04,840 Speaker 1: quarter of the season. I've seen lots of flash, you 798 00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,240 Speaker 1: know with the Cowboys teams in the past doing well 799 00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,799 Speaker 1: all the way up until December and then they trail off, 800 00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,680 Speaker 1: trail off and then going to the playoffs or not. 801 00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:19,200 Speaker 1: And uh, Peter Ry, I think the most important. You know, 802 00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,200 Speaker 1: it's great that they're winning out, great that they're five 803 00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,680 Speaker 1: and one in the second quarter of the season. I 804 00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,640 Speaker 1: know we got an extra game and everything, but uh, 805 00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,520 Speaker 1: talk to me in December. Thank you these guys are 806 00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,600 Speaker 1: doing in December. Yeah, that's gonna tell you that. Because 807 00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:35,680 Speaker 1: that elite word just we throw that around like it's like, 808 00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:37,399 Speaker 1: you know, and I'm not looking at your Shannon, because 809 00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,960 Speaker 1: I know you're looking at me. We thought that an 810 00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,600 Speaker 1: elite thing around like you know, I don't. It ain't 811 00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,640 Speaker 1: before or fire elite quarterbacks and they all got one 812 00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:50,759 Speaker 1: thing in coming. Yeah, and NFC and AFC championship games. 813 00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,920 Speaker 1: And I keep telling everybody just when you get in 814 00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,719 Speaker 1: the tournament, the tunament or whatever you want to call it, 815 00:52:56,920 --> 00:53:02,799 Speaker 1: anything can happen. No them. You can pick out what 816 00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:06,680 Speaker 1: I'm mean saying. You can pick out what I just said. 817 00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:10,080 Speaker 1: But it ain't failed yet. Runs the first week, all 818 00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:13,520 Speaker 1: the trash get delivered. The second week, all the garbags 819 00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:15,800 Speaker 1: get taken out, and now you got the elite players 820 00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,439 Speaker 1: playing in the third week. That's that's how it's gonna 821 00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,560 Speaker 1: go every time. If your team is legit, it will 822 00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:23,840 Speaker 1: be in the second round, and it will win in 823 00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,520 Speaker 1: the second round, and you will be in the NFCNFC 824 00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:31,760 Speaker 1: Championship game. Now, anything can happen. Ali Tom Brady versus 825 00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:35,160 Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packing Fast Year, hell of a game. 826 00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:38,319 Speaker 1: A lot of interceptions, don't but the defense rolls up four. 827 00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:41,319 Speaker 1: Then it gets to the ball bounces which way. Thank you, right, 828 00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,320 Speaker 1: thank you. All those teams they're all they're all equal. 829 00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,040 Speaker 1: When thank the ball bounce a little bit your way. 830 00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:49,400 Speaker 1: And then so now that word elite, you know, I 831 00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:53,160 Speaker 1: reserve that for a few you know. So I'm channing 832 00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:54,960 Speaker 1: that we're gonna go back and forth on is. I 833 00:53:55,000 --> 00:54:00,400 Speaker 1: knew we are. We got plenty of seasons. I tell 834 00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,440 Speaker 1: him me, Dak is an elite. Now, I didn't say 835 00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:05,759 Speaker 1: it wasn't elite. I'm just saying he ain't did an 836 00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,520 Speaker 1: elite yet. That's all right, we can agree to disagree. 837 00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,239 Speaker 1: All right, real quick, let's go around the table. Thank you, 838 00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:16,160 Speaker 1: nice T shirt. It may be too early in the 839 00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,000 Speaker 1: week for you to do this, but can do you 840 00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,120 Speaker 1: have a little prediction for Sunday night? And what do 841 00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:22,640 Speaker 1: the Cowboys need to do to win? Look? I do 842 00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:24,600 Speaker 1: think it is gonna be a tough game. That's not 843 00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,040 Speaker 1: an easy place to play. It's very, very loud. This 844 00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:30,040 Speaker 1: might be their hardest road contest they've had. It's probably 845 00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:33,680 Speaker 1: a louder place than New England or or la Um 846 00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:35,760 Speaker 1: maybe Tampa. But I think this could be their toughest 847 00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,799 Speaker 1: road environment. But I think they win. I mean, Kirk 848 00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:40,880 Speaker 1: at night. We know what Kirk Cousins at Night is. 849 00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:46,399 Speaker 1: It's like me quarterback in the night, so I'll eat 850 00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:50,120 Speaker 1: him up ahead us. Hey, you know, I love what 851 00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,759 Speaker 1: the Cowboys are doing. If they if they if they 852 00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:56,200 Speaker 1: won the off week, then they'll win this week, as 853 00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,200 Speaker 1: simple as that. Yeah, they took care of bunness doing 854 00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,160 Speaker 1: off week, and I always got a Cowboy is it 855 00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,319 Speaker 1: one always? Baby? All I need to do is win. 856 00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,120 Speaker 1: I can win me seventeen games, one point of time 857 00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:09,120 Speaker 1: a piece. I'm good every week, every every Cowboys, buy 858 00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,319 Speaker 1: one every every cool week. Then they can be leaked. 859 00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:23,160 Speaker 1: Here we go. I think it's it's gonna be a 860 00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:25,400 Speaker 1: great game. I think it's gonna be really tough. I 861 00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:28,080 Speaker 1: think they could have lost that game in New England. 862 00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:29,680 Speaker 1: I think this is gonna be the same kind of game. 863 00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:31,120 Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna be a blow out. It's 864 00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:32,960 Speaker 1: gonna be really tough. But I think the Cowboys gonna 865 00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:38,279 Speaker 1: leave there with a w r J. Man, you come 866 00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:44,360 Speaker 1: back anytime, any time next week. Russ. We'll see you 867 00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,759 Speaker 1: in December. You said, talk to your December. 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