1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 1: All right, welcome to our classic episode, fellow conspiracy realist. 2 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:08,799 Speaker 1: Everybody knows that Egypt has pyramids, but what you may 3 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: not know is that there are other pyramids all around 4 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: the world, built by all sorts of civilizations. Why. What 5 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: we found is that there are a lot of folks 6 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: who will tell you they were part of a global debtwork, 7 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 1: and there are a lot of other folks will just say, hey, 8 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: a pyramid is literally one of the most stable things 9 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: you can build. It's a good point and also a point. 10 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: It's got a good point that potentially points to God 11 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: or funnels some sort of magical godlike energy. You know, 12 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: a lot of fun conjecturing in this episode. Yeah, Graham 13 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,319 Speaker 1: and Hancock has his new show on Netflix right now, 14 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: is re record this intro talking about the ancient apocalypse 15 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: in the possibility that there was some kind of advanced 16 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: civilization before the Great Flood. You know this, This is 17 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: really all food for thought in here for this episode. Yeah, yeah, 18 00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: I'm yeah, And just to say, you know, um, you 19 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: will you will find that Graham Hancock's uh Netflix show 20 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: has met with no small amount of controversy. So we 21 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: we do our best here to try and look at 22 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: both the claims that people are making and the conclusions 23 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: of archaeologists. Let us know which side you fall on 24 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: in this great debate from UFOs to psychic powers and 25 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained events. You can 26 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: turn back now or learn the stuff they don't want 27 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: you to know. Welcome back to the show. My name 28 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: is Matt, my name is Noel. They called me Ben. 29 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: You are you? And that makes this stuff they don't 30 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:09,079 Speaker 1: want you to know. We've got our superproducer Trysted there 31 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: and the uh let's see ones two. We got a 32 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: whole stable of superproducers. I feel like the name is 33 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: taken on less of a special meaning. Are you just 34 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:22,239 Speaker 1: mad because I called you a superproducer? First? I am OK? 35 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: What am I now? An inferior producer? You're a super 36 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: co host? Yeah? So it's true. We have been expanding 37 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,959 Speaker 1: and we're hoping to build something that stands the test 38 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: of time, which turns out is a fairly tricky endeavor. 39 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: The longer the timeline becomes right, I hear the trick 40 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: is to stack things on the ground and then stack 41 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: another layer that's slightly smaller on top of that one, 42 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: and then just keep going. It's the lego rule. Yeah, 43 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: or from red solo cups to uh decks of cards. 44 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: You know, this is such a side note, but I 45 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: had no idea. Apparently, red solo cups or solo cups 46 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: in general our US thing, and they've appeared in so 47 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: many films that people around the world associated with American culture. 48 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: So people travel traveling to the US from outside of 49 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: the US often by these cups and bring them back 50 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 1: to their friends and associate them with getting plastered, sort 51 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: of like pyramids in Egypt. Am I right, Yes, like 52 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,839 Speaker 1: pyramids in Egypt. Uh, that is true, that's what we are. 53 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: We sort of circumnavigated the uh, the topic, and so 54 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: let's get right to it. Let's jump into the bush 55 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: instead of beating around it. Pyramids, Well, you may have 56 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: seen one of these things before, perhaps in a history book, 57 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: perhaps you've taken a trip to somewhere in the world 58 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: where they exist. It's a structure with a triangular outer surface, 59 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: like we were talking, uh, smaller layers on top of 60 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: bigger ones, and it converges to a single point at 61 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: the top. Hold your horses, kids, are about to get 62 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: into some serious geometry. The base of a pyramid can 63 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: be trilateral, quadrilateral, or any polygonal shape. You guys remember 64 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: that stuff? Oh yeah, I don't. So let's look at 65 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 1: a square pyramid. A square pyramid has a base for 66 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: triangular outer surfaces. This is a common version and the 67 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: design is simple but brilliant. Right. Pyramid keeps the majority 68 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: of the structure's weight closer to the ground. And uh, 69 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: the pyramid ian on top, that's the fancy word for 70 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:38,359 Speaker 1: a capstone, means that less material higher up on the 71 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: pyramid will be pushing down from above. So these are 72 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: structurally very, very stable. And when early civilizations created these, uh, 73 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 1: they quickly realized, you know, this is way more durable 74 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 1: than just building straight up the way we do with skyscrapers. Yeah, 75 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 1: and we can build these things much larger than any 76 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: other building that we've created the far, and they're cool looking. Yeah, 77 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: that's true. And let's be honest, when most people hear 78 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: the word pyramid, they don't really think of geometry, quadrilaterals, 79 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 1: and polygons. They think of mummies and Egypt. I'm super basic, 80 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 1: that's I mean, you're totally right. They think of they 81 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: can go Egypt, pharaohs, mummies, right, and who can blame them. 82 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: Egypt has a huge amount of pyramids. The estimates vary, 83 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 1: but sources currently site anywhere from eight to a hundred 84 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: and thirty eight identified pyramids, and there could be more 85 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: hiding out underneath something which we this will be a 86 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: common thing that we find throughout this episode. Yeah, then 87 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: most of these right, No, I think you're spot on 88 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: to mention mummies because most of the ones in Egypt 89 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: were built as tombs. You know, it was the it 90 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: was the very last word in luxury, and these were 91 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: common during the Old and Middle Kingdom periods. The earliest 92 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: known pyramids are found in a place northwest of Memphis, 93 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: Memphis in Egypt. The Memphis in Tennessee is named after 94 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: the Memphis in Egypt, which I didn't know for a 95 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: long time, but it's an a little town called uh Sakara. 96 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 1: The earliest of these pyramids is the Pyramid of jos 97 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: Er d j O S E. R. And it was 98 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: built during the Third dynasty. In this pyramid and it's 99 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: surrounding complex, I guess you could say it's almost like 100 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 1: a kind of compound where everything sort of built around it, 101 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: like a mall or something. Um they were designed by 102 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: the architect Emma tap and they're generally considered to be 103 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:47,280 Speaker 1: the world's oldest monumental structure. Is constructed of what's called 104 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 1: dressed masonry, so not like not like a earthen mound. Yeah, 105 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: I mean, they're more polished and finished stones, right, and 106 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: by far the most famous pyramids that exist. When you 107 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 1: close your eyes and you imagine pyramid, you're probably thinking, Okay, yeah, 108 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: what are you saying? It's probably the Pyramids of Giza, 109 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: the on the outskirts of Cairo, Egypt. These have been 110 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: featured all over the place since you were a baby. 111 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: These have these things have been on covers of magazines 112 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: and on television and in movies. And there's some of 113 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: the largest structures ever built. The largest one Giza. The 114 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: largest pyramid is the Pyramid of Cufu. And as remember 115 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: the Seven Wonders of the ancient world, the hanging gardens, 116 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: all that jazz, the Pyramid of Cufu is the only 117 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: one still in existence. So pretty serious accomplishment for a structure, 118 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: I would I mean, I'm not surprised to beat the garden, 119 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: but any any man made structure. You've probably seen this 120 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: in various uh non fiction television shows where they talk 121 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: about what would happen if humans just disappeared or when 122 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: the species goes extinct, start talking about how quickly things 123 00:07:56,080 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: will deteriorate. The US has a couple of durable structures, 124 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: but not as many as we think. No, the Hoover 125 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: Dam is pretty pretty cool. That thing is still curing. 126 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: It's technically not finished. That's an odd thought. But the 127 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: pyramids will probably outlast a lot of the architecture that's 128 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: currently on the planet, and for thousands and thousands of years, 129 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: these were the largest man made structures on Earth. For example, 130 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: let's take a closer look at the Pyramid of Cufu, 131 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: which is built mainly of limestone in the exterior and 132 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 1: most of the pyramid itself, but then as you get 133 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: towards the interior, there are some large red granite blocks 134 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: in there. Yeah, and it contains over two million blocks, 135 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:47,319 Speaker 1: and they have a wide range of weight, but they're 136 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:52,199 Speaker 1: they're all gigantic. The large limestone blocks weighs six point 137 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: five to ten tons, and the smaller ones would weigh 138 00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: in at about one point three tons, and so um. 139 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: You can see various calculations of this. There's another thing 140 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: it's not just the size and the weight of the structure. 141 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: The placement is surprisingly precise, right. Uh. It has four 142 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:20,239 Speaker 1: sides that face the four cardinal points, absolutely as you said, precisely, 143 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: and it also has an angle of fifty two degrees. 144 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: Originally it was four feet high, but today I guess, 145 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 1: through pyramid shrinkage, the well known undocumented phenomenon, it's only 146 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 1: four hundred and fifty five ft. So what happens that 147 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:40,719 Speaker 1: missing thirty three ft Somebody stole it? Right, It wasn't erosion. 148 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,559 Speaker 1: Nature didn't steal it. People stole it. There was this 149 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: high quality casing limestone, not a thing. Well, I guess, 150 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: in the way that retail stores refer to shoplifting, your 151 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: shrinkage spoilage, right, I urged shrinkage spoilage might be one too. 152 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:01,319 Speaker 1: But nonetheless, this thing still remains as a massive structure 153 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 1: out there in the desert, or at least on the 154 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 1: outskirts of a city. And yeah, and when we hear 155 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: this word again, we we often think of ancient Egypt, 156 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: one of the world's most influential situations. Tombs, desert, mystery, 157 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: winds in the night, and curses. Right, Uh, Pyramids are 158 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 1: mysterious though for hundreds of years societies around the world 159 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: forgot what they were for. I had no idea why 160 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: they were built. Would just take tours to stare at 161 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 1: them and then to steal stuff. And to be fair, 162 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: there are a lot of human beings out there that 163 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: don't believe we've nailed down exactly what these pyramids are for, 164 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 1: even though, yes, even though it's kind of a known thing, 165 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: but we're gonna, we're gonna get into it. Yeah, Okay, 166 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:58,239 Speaker 1: So there's a precedent for pyramids. The earliest proven precedents 167 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: for pyramids are called zig rats, and they're they're not 168 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: in Egypt. Instead, the earliest zigarettes were located in Mesopotamia. 169 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: So when you just if you're thinking about what Mesopotamia is, 170 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 1: if you're not going back to those high school classes, uh, 171 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 1: it's a rock syria of a couple other countries right 172 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: in the Middle East there that goes through the Tiber 173 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:23,439 Speaker 1: Euphrates River. It's the cradle of civilization, right It's where 174 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:28,199 Speaker 1: mass yes, but it's where massive war is being waged 175 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,439 Speaker 1: right now. And that's why it was the cradle of 176 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: civilization because it was very supportive of you know, growing 177 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 1: crops and it was you know, within all that desert, 178 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: it was a sort of an oasis. It's great soil, absolutely, yeah, 179 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: and we see that, we see different civilizations springing up 180 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 1: around uh, fertile deltas, you know, and the convergence of 181 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 1: rivers silt silt. Yeah, it's all about the silt. Uh So. 182 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: The earliest cigarettes are towards the end of what's called 183 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: the Early Dynastic period, and the latest or most recent 184 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: ones date from the sixth century BC. They were all 185 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: the rage, and they weren't you know, they used to 186 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:12,599 Speaker 1: look way cooler. They were brightly painted and gold and bronze. 187 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: But since they're constructed from these sundry mud bricks, over 188 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 1: time they've decayed. Can you imagine rolling up in a 189 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: somewhat desert area and seeing like a gold covered giant 190 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: building that's just reflecting sun directly back at itself, back 191 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: at the sun, and at your face. I would assume 192 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: that I was my life was immortal danger, and whomever 193 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: built it was going to sacrifice. I'd be like, that's 194 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 1: pretty dope. But yeah, especially if you're talking the what 195 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: you said, the latest ones were sixth century. Yeah, and 196 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:50,199 Speaker 1: just imagine the technology available. The understanding of the world 197 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 1: at the time. It's a big thing with pyramids even 198 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: today is like people are like, how did they manage 199 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: to hoist these blocks? And there's still you know, wild speculation. 200 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 1: That's a different methods that they could have used, and 201 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:07,719 Speaker 1: some of those include help from extraterrestrials. And zigarettes were 202 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:12,439 Speaker 1: also built by the Sumerians, the Babylonians, the Elamites, the Acadians, 203 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: and the Assyrians, typically for local religions, and as as 204 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: we mentioned earlier, these didn't exist in a vacuum. Each 205 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: one was part of a larger complex. So there would 206 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: be a place for storage, there might be a place 207 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:31,319 Speaker 1: where a priest lives, and in various other buildings with 208 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 1: some bureaucratic functions, some support functions, and some official proceedings 209 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: and my official, I guess in this case we mean 210 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 1: like religious or governmental proceedings. And when we talk about 211 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: how these things are structured, we discussed the pyramid, which is, 212 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 1: you know, more of that traditional structure that you imagine 213 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: of a sloping side, even though it's not you know, perfect, 214 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:56,959 Speaker 1: you're still dealing with layers of blocks. When you think 215 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: about a zigarette, it's a little more of a tiered system, 216 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: So if you're looking at it, you're gonna see some 217 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: kind of base, so it's either rectangular, oval, some like 218 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 1: perhaps a square, and then the pyramidal structure is similar, 219 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: but it's just divided more as you go up. Well, 220 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: that's the thing to The ziggurattes are obviously super cool 221 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: to look at as well, but construction and engineering wise, 222 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: a little more straightforward, right, almost like building a brick 223 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: wall like or a brick staircase, whereas the pyramids are 224 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: like smooth and like to actually do the math and 225 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: figure out how to get those blocks just the right 226 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: size to slide in there, and how to be structurally 227 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: sound and also make those amazing sloping, perfectly flat sides. 228 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: That's that's where the real mystery kind of comes in. 229 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: It's like, man, how did you even conceive this? Yeah, 230 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: that's the thing. The where you have the capstone with 231 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: the pyramid. With the zigarettes, you have more of a 232 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: flat top, so you could do things at the top 233 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: of a zigarette, like sacrifice visions. Sure if that's uh, 234 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: if that's what your religion dictates, or just sacrifice you 235 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: know whomever. Yeah, yeah, a lamb could be just a lamb, 236 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: could be a land, It could be a king, it 237 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: could be the child of the king, depending on the weather. 238 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: It was a different time, it was, it was a 239 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: different time. Uh. There's another thing here that I thought 240 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: was it was interesting and a practice that you can 241 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: see even in the modern day. Kings sometimes had their 242 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: names on the bricks. And it makes me think of 243 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: various public works and parks where people donate to a cause, 244 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: right like in we have a thing in Atlanta called 245 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: Centennial Park and there are these huge swaths of of 246 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: of cobblestone or brick where people have people during the 247 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: Olympics paid some sort of fee to have a brick 248 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: with their name on it. Have you seen that episode 249 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: of Curb Your Enthusiasm where it's like Anonymous, he's really 250 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: upset that he gets his name put on a wing 251 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,359 Speaker 1: of a museum, and then the other guy is anonymous 252 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: and it turns out it's dead dancing, but he keeps 253 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: telling every buddy that it's him and cool and chill 254 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: because it's like anonymous for the For me that it 255 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: reminds me of presidential libraries or something where it just 256 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 1: has your name across the top emblazon there, I'd make 257 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 1: mine anonymous. Yeah. People and people do a lot of 258 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: stuff to just to get their name on something, you know, 259 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 1: maybe a hotel, maybe an I mean, I did this' 260 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: podcast is so I can maybe one day end up 261 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: like on a T shirt. There you go, so alright, 262 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: so we we can see then the most famous examples 263 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: also pyramids and zigarettes. The comparison. Always think of you guys. 264 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: We talked about legos earlier. We mentioned that, you remember 265 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: do plos do plose like the less sophisticated version of legos. 266 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: I think their age range is a little younger, okay, right, yeah, yeah, 267 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: a little little rabbit rabbit. Yeah. So uh that's that's 268 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: what I always think of, because it's like you're building 269 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: zigarettes and then you've upgraded to right, I don't know about. 270 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: I don't know about, but I'll learn, you'll remember maybe 271 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think I think he got the 272 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 1: concept though, right, I understand they're big legs. It was 273 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: an apt metaphor. It really make sense. Over over the centuries, 274 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: you know, people have, as we said, speculated endlessly about 275 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: the Pyramids. Some theories range from nearly certain widely accepted 276 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: in academic circles, and then some get further and further 277 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: out there to the fringes and beyond. But today we're 278 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,199 Speaker 1: going to ask a question a lot of listeners have 279 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: asked us over the years. Yeah, we know a lot 280 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 1: about the Egyptian pyramids. They're literally people called a gyptologist 281 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 1: who spend their lives studying this stuff. But what about 282 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 1: all those other pyramids? Oh yeah, there are in other places, 283 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: and we'll get to that right after a quick sponsor break. 284 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:14,360 Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy. There are other pyramids. It's 285 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 1: not just ziggarreats in the ancient cradle of civilization. And 286 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 1: it wasn't like an empty tease. No, no, we're going 287 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 1: to deliver it turns out, you see, this might come 288 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: as a surprise to some people, but the ancient world 289 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 1: was actually chok full of pyramids, lousy with them on 290 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: continents across the planet. And they're not all these tombs 291 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 1: to some god king that you know, sat above all 292 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 1: the rest of the citizen ray and you know, dictated 293 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 1: what to do. Uh. There were temples. A lot of 294 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: them were temples, some cases their sites of human sacrifice. 295 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: And we know that because we found the evidence. But 296 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: we still don't know how many existed or even still 297 00:18:54,119 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 1: exists today, But in archaeologists actually discovered thirty five aramids 298 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: in the Sudanese Necropolis that dated back around two thousand 299 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: years when a kingdom named Kush flourished in Sudan. And 300 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: that's insane. Yeah, we're still finding pyramids, and these in 301 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: particular were pretty pretty darn interesting because they're really closely together, 302 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 1: the way they're you know, they're located, they're concentrated right, 303 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: and they're pretty big, larger than an NBA basketball court. 304 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:37,199 Speaker 1: And you know, it's so surprising to me that you 305 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 1: can just discover this just because the sand has moved 306 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 1: so much over such a period of time that they 307 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: got covered up and you can't see them anymore. Sometimes 308 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: there's growth on top of them that you have to 309 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: basically just dig away and then oh, there they are. 310 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 1: You've heard of these. I'm sure the Mayan pyramids that 311 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:59,239 Speaker 1: exist in Mesoamerica technically their ziggarattes and were used for 312 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: humans acrifice. I guess when I was conjuring the image 313 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: of virgin sacrifices, I was maybe thinking more along the 314 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: Mayan lines. You know, it's it's not far it's not 315 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: far off because a lot of the in meso America 316 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: and Aztec and and Mayan culture there were religious sites, 317 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: but there's also documented human sacrifice, and a lot of 318 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 1: times these sacrifices might involve prisoners of war, so az 319 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:32,679 Speaker 1: tech parties at least would send out raiding parties too, 320 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 1: wage war with these really brutal crazy Have you seen 321 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,239 Speaker 1: what was sort of the analog of a sword in 322 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: that culture. It was like this wooden slap with these 323 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: obsidian chips. Yeah, terribly sharp, frightening. Uh. Did you ever 324 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 1: see that movie Apocalypto? Remember that. I still haven't seen that. 325 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 1: I still haven't seen the Passion of the Christ. Oh jeez, 326 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: I also have not seen the Passion of the Christ. 327 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,199 Speaker 1: That's why I haven't seen the Pocalypto, because it just 328 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: struck me as kind of like taking that movie to 329 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: meso America. I mean, it's it's got the similar kind 330 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: of you know, brutal gurd and violence, and I don't 331 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 1: usually go for You wouldn't think that, but I'm a 332 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: little bit sensitive about that kind of stuff. It's a 333 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: you know, Apocalypto I thought was a great film. I 334 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 1: can't speak to the Passion of the Christ because I 335 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: have I did see part of it, so uh Satan 336 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: makes a couple of appearances, and I went on YouTube 337 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 1: and watched those parts. Is he like played by like 338 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 1: an actor? Is he in makeup or something? No, it's 339 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 1: the devil really yeah, it just mean like is it 340 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: just like a dude? Like it's the spoil Passion of 341 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 1: the christis it's a it's and ambiguous figure. But it's 342 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 1: not all fire and brimstone, at least from the stuff 343 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: I saw. There might be another segment of the film 344 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: where they're like wings sprouting and al Pacino comes out 345 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: and it's like we are carrying all those bricks for 346 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:02,679 Speaker 1: Kevin God. It's Devil's advocate. I love that one. Well. 347 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: There are also pyramids in Nigeria. Now these are ones 348 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: that I was not aware of, but upon looking into it, 349 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:12,919 Speaker 1: it turns out that the sud Pyramids at the Nigerian 350 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:17,880 Speaker 1: town of the sud Um in northern Igbo land were 351 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: in fact a thing. Uh ten pyramidal structures were built 352 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 1: of clay and mud, much like the early zigarrettes we 353 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,400 Speaker 1: talked about um and the first base section was sixty 354 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: feet in circumference and three feet in height. The next 355 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: stack was forty ft in circumference, and then you had 356 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: these circular stacks that continued up um almost like a 357 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: chimney stack kind of look at the top, and then 358 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 1: you had those going on until you got to the 359 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,959 Speaker 1: very top of the structure. Uh. These were temples for 360 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 1: the god Allah or Uto, who was believed to reside 361 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 1: at the top um and a stick was placed at 362 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: the top to represent the god's residence, sort of like 363 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: you know, putting an angel on a Christmas tree. Yeah, 364 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: that's a really good analogy, a really good comparison. There 365 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: were also pyramids in Spain. Yeah, there are some more 366 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:10,440 Speaker 1: recent ones that were that are thought to have come 367 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: from the nineteenth century. They look like zigarattes, but they 368 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 1: they appear to be just agricultural techniques. Um. But you 369 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:23,120 Speaker 1: know that's not a sure kind of thing. But then 370 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 1: you go to a gentleman, gentleman named manuel A Brill 371 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 1: that thinks he's discovered something even bigger. Yes, manuel A 372 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 1: Brill is an amateur archaeologists. And you might see armchair 373 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 1: archaeologist if you want to call it turkey a bird 374 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: about it. Uh. Other professional archaeologists sort of dismissed him 375 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: as an amateur at times. So he believes that he 376 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 1: found this gut reported in twenty sixteen, he believes that 377 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: he discovered a huge ancient building buried beneath undergrowth in Spain. 378 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: It's on the outskirts of a town called Cannette, and 379 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:02,160 Speaker 1: it's believed to be the first monolithic structure discovered in 380 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: the country. Yeah, if you look at it looks like 381 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 1: a hill that maybe has a little more structure to it, 382 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: a little more pointed than you'd normally see in a 383 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: you know, a naturally forming hill of that sort um. 384 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 1: But you know, it's it's pretty compelling, but it's not 385 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 1: as of this point, it hasn't been verified, correct, Right, 386 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 1: So for hundreds of years, locals thought this was just 387 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: a natural formation, you know, the eternal question is that 388 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 1: a pyramid or a hill? Right? But this guy's making 389 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 1: claims we were waiting to see how they developed. He's 390 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 1: making claims that this earthwork conceals a gigantic structure, and 391 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:50,360 Speaker 1: it would be uh tremendous deal if it turned out 392 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: that Europe had these these megalithic structures, these megalithic pyramids 393 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: as well. There are also pyramids in China. Not GEO 394 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 1: did a great, a great exploration of the lost Pyramids 395 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: of China. Yeah, that's great. It was a whole show 396 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: that they created. It's kind of awesome. Goes back to 397 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: I think two hundred and twenty something BC in search 398 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 1: of pyramids from different warring kingdoms in China, and it 399 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: appears that perhaps there where pyramid is built kind of 400 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: all over the place. I haven't seen the show yet, 401 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 1: but I'm definitely interested. China's first emperor, the guy who 402 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 1: got all of the various tribes and communities to form 403 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: a cohesive nation, uh, pretty much bankrupted the country and 404 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:45,200 Speaker 1: oppressed thousands of people to build some of the largest 405 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 1: mortuary complexes. There was something about ancient kings where they thought, 406 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: you know, what's really making it is having a big 407 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: building that commemorates that I'm dead. Yeah, just you gotta 408 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 1: make sure people remember that you existed after you're gone. 409 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 1: Some people even have, you know, like some of the 410 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,959 Speaker 1: aristocrats had kitchens and toilets and these underground complexes. I 411 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,959 Speaker 1: just don't get it. I was talking to my mom 412 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: the other day about, like, you know, our family burial plot, 413 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: and so I'm like that is, Mom, that's depressing. I 414 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: don't want to talk about that. I don't want to 415 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 1: think about that. Why do we have to make these arrangements. 416 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: Can't they just you know, chuck us in a paper 417 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,439 Speaker 1: bag into the highway or something to wrap you up 418 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,919 Speaker 1: in newspaper. These things are important, son, and you know 419 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: you'll understand. And so they are also pyramids in India, 420 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: Indonesia and Peru. Uh. There was for a time, and 421 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 1: people who visit the state of Georgia or people who 422 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,919 Speaker 1: live in that state will find us interesting. For a time, 423 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: there was a complex of pyramids here in our own state, 424 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,640 Speaker 1: in Eatonton, Georgia. They were not ancient, no, and they're 425 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: a little more modest in their size, but they were pyramids. 426 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: They were built by a religious group. I would hesitate 427 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 1: to use the C word just because I don't you know, 428 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: I I it's got a bit of a negative connotation. Yeah, yeah, 429 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: trying to look down on anybody for their beliefs. But 430 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 1: they definitely hadn't, let's say, a very particular set of 431 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 1: skills beliefs, police skills. The New Wabians, the New Wabi 432 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: impyraments were constructed in the early nineteen nineties on their 433 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: compound Toma Ray and that is again in Eatonton, Georgia. 434 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 1: I do want to say one thing is interesting about 435 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 1: the literature of this group is they have a they 436 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 1: have a linguistic practice where they take words and sort 437 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 1: of switched them around into something that rhymes but they 438 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: feel is more true to what the thing that the 439 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 1: object they're describing is. Uh. The example I remember most 440 00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,919 Speaker 1: prominently is they don't say television. They a tell lies 441 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:05,919 Speaker 1: vision that's perfect, and they're like dozens of words they 442 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:10,880 Speaker 1: use this. Unfortunately, these pyramids are no more. Yeah, they 443 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 1: don't exist anymore. It is a shame. Looking up some 444 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: aerial shots of the whole compound right now, it's actually 445 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,400 Speaker 1: quite beautiful from you know, a helicopter. It's the whole 446 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,439 Speaker 1: thing is. The way it's laid out is very purposeful. 447 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 1: And then you've got the pyramid surrounded by these almost 448 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: like hedge maze looking pieces, and then all of the 449 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 1: other plots are very kind of colored in such a 450 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 1: way where the whole thing that looks almost like a face. 451 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: It's pretty pretty interesting. And then you think that you know, 452 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: the government sees it, and then they tore the entire 453 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 1: thing down. I have two thoughts. I wish they would 454 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 1: have left it. What's the story? First something, Well, the 455 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 1: guy was arrested on some pretty heinous charges and you 456 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 1: can only imagine probably what went down, you know, near 457 00:28:55,680 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 1: there or in some of those structures. Yeah, So, to 458 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 1: be fair to the people who still adhere to Nuabian beliefs, 459 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 1: there are a lot of X members obviously, but they 460 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 1: believe that their leader was force or is kind of 461 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: was framed, was a set up. And that's despite the 462 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 1: Nuabian leader as a phone named Dwight York. He was 463 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: charged with interstate transportation of miners for sex hundred and 464 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 1: sixteen charges of child molestation, and he was Okay, look, 465 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 1: I'll say it. The Nwabian is a black supremacist sect, 466 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 1: so it subscribes to and subscribes to some beliefs that 467 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 1: you know, are racially tinged and therefore reprehensible. But they 468 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: also thought Spaceship would take the group away in two 469 00:29:54,520 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: thousand and three. It is I have not had contact 470 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 1: with any of the New Abian folks, so perhaps some 471 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 1: of them did make it on their ship. You know, 472 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 1: this might even make a good podcast in its own light. 473 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 1: They built again. They built pyramids as religious structures, right. 474 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 1: But that brings us to another question, why have such 475 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 1: similar structures sprang up in unrelated cultures across the planet. 476 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 1: We'll explore some of the answers or some of the 477 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 1: theories after a word from our sponsor. So since the 478 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 1: first missions to Antarctica early in the twentieth century, there 479 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 1: have been tales of a mysterious pyramid discovered on this 480 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: icy um continent near the South Pole Um. There were 481 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 1: British explorers in the early nineteen tens who found a 482 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 1: et rock and they named it the pyramid and included 483 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 1: it on their maps. So this formation is most likely 484 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 1: the source of various Antarctic pyramids legends throughout modern history. 485 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 1: But I'd just like to go here and say, oh, 486 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 1: look at this trap. Oh do you see that's pointing 487 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 1: out of the ice there? What does that look like 488 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 1: to you? Oh? I declare that is that's a tad pointing. 489 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 1: Don't you think? Quite pointy? Much more pointy than I 490 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 1: would expect here on this icy continent. And then you 491 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 1: take a big pull from your calabash, I say, mark 492 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 1: that down. Jeffrey's pyramids pretty good. So do you want 493 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 1: to do, want it to be named after you or 494 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 1: perhaps your lovely wife Phone, make it anonymous pyramid, Suffice 495 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 1: and so and so. As we said this, you can imagine, right, 496 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 1: It's understandable. It sounds a little weird today, but you 497 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: can easily understand how people return right from Antarctica and 498 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: they have these maps, and maybe the maps are reproduced, 499 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: and then you get a hold of a map and 500 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: you're just a regular person and you were looking at 501 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 1: this map of this serious unknown continent, and then you think, 502 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: holy snikey's a pyramid. Do people still say? Yeah? R 503 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: I p Chris Farley? Oh, it was Chris Farley speaking 504 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 1: of which apparently I stole skadooche from Kung Fu Panda. 505 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 1: And I'm okay with that because I was a big, 506 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: tenacious D fan back in the day, and I'm sure 507 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: I heard Jack Black say something scadoochy, you know, back 508 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 1: in the old days when he was on Mr. Show 509 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 1: and t A D. So I did not know that 510 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 1: that was directly from Kung Fu Panda. I stand by it, though, 511 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 1: and it's it's just kind of a fun sound that 512 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: sort of means like zippity do die, you know, it's 513 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 1: just kind of that's it. I wasn't trying to rip 514 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 1: off of animated. Has this been on you? It really has. 515 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 1: It's been pressing down on my soul. I remember one 516 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 1: time we were off air. You we were meeting about 517 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 1: something else, and then you stopped matt Night and you say, guys, 518 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 1: I gotta say something, And I didn't know what was 519 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: gonna come up. I was worried about you. Do you 520 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 1: feel better? Do you feel lighter? I feel a little unburdened. Yeah, 521 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 1: that's well, right in and let noel how much you're 522 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: angry at him for stealing from the beloved Jack Black. 523 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 1: He is quite beloved. And as always, we do have 524 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 1: a special email for any complaints about the show. Your 525 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 1: criticism is very important. Keep us honest and just email 526 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 1: us directly at Jonathan dot Strickland at how stuff works 527 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 1: dot com. Yeah, and really just feel free to open 528 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 1: it open up and ye again, that's Jonathan dots Strickland 529 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: at how stuff works dot com. So back to Antarctica. 530 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 1: Back to Antarctica from from two thousand twelve to twenties sixteen, 531 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,239 Speaker 1: there was this whole other round of rumors that were 532 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 1: spreading about pyramids and Antarctica because there were photographs they 533 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 1: got put online that showed something apparently sitting down there 534 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 1: with these regular triangular sides. Now I have to say 535 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 1: I saw these, I saw you know, the crystal links 536 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 1: links in the UFO sites links that had these pictures, 537 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:24,880 Speaker 1: and I got super interested. But you know, as we 538 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:26,840 Speaker 1: do on our show, you dig down a little deeper 539 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 1: and then you find the skeptic side, which throws salt 540 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 1: on all my excitement. Uh. And you know they're saying 541 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 1: that this is actually some kind of natural structure that 542 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 1: got photographed at an angle that makes it feel even 543 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,800 Speaker 1: more mysterious, which is similar to the old argument about 544 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 1: the uh face on Mars? Right. Is it just the 545 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 1: angle of the photograph that makes a otherwise mundane topographical 546 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 1: formation appear to be you know, man made and purposeful, 547 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 1: or or they're buried pyramids out there? Man? Maybe maybe 548 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 1: that's where that's where civilization started, was in Antarctica before 549 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 1: it all iced over. What do you some kind of hippie. 550 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,920 Speaker 1: I'm just saying that's one of my favorite troops, and 551 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 1: a lot of science fiction too, that that moment about 552 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,479 Speaker 1: two thirds of the way through a sci fi story 553 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 1: where someone goes, we are the aliens right before they 554 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 1: get sucked out into spaces and you just spoiled every 555 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 1: every single one, shut down the theaters. But for me, 556 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 1: the idea of an Atlantean civilization that existed, you know, 557 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 1: of some kind of intelligent life existing down there in 558 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 1: Antarctica before everything froze over, I don't know. That just 559 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 1: pulls me, pulls my heart. Well, we do know that, 560 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 1: we do know that there's a lot of stuff that 561 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 1: historians got wrong over the years, and we know that 562 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 1: he three is still a continuing conversation. Right, there's no solid, 563 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 1: widely accepted proof of a global ancient civilization yet. But 564 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 1: that just that could just mean although it may it 565 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,280 Speaker 1: may be implausible, It could just mean that we haven't 566 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 1: found something yet. Yeah, but technology continues to advance, and 567 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,960 Speaker 1: as lidar gets better, Ben, We're gonna find some stuff. 568 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 1: I know it, Yeah, I think so. Oh, before we 569 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,839 Speaker 1: go on, these these rumors that Matt just mentioned, they 570 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,839 Speaker 1: were linked with a couple of famous visitors to Antarctica 571 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 1: in late as the US presidential campaign was in in hot, 572 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:51,839 Speaker 1: hot heat. Uh. John Kerry went to Antarctica in November 573 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,759 Speaker 1: and then just just just to be clear here it 574 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,479 Speaker 1: was Forest goll and Bones Reunion. Yes, they were hanging 575 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 1: out and Arctica Pointy Rock Decide dislike men is like 576 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,240 Speaker 1: a duel. Yeah, that's where the real election took place, 577 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,880 Speaker 1: Pointy Rock, Antarctica in just a short time later in 578 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,920 Speaker 1: December of I think this one was interesting. This was 579 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 1: just a rumor, Okay, I haven't confirmed it. This was 580 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,440 Speaker 1: just what's what's the word? Uh? Scalia used to use 581 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:28,960 Speaker 1: scuttle button, That's a good one. Or what else do 582 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,279 Speaker 1: they do? He the guy Regardless of what you think 583 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,719 Speaker 1: about the guy at a gift for obscure words? Was 584 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 1: it the straight poop? Straight poop? We got an email 585 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:40,719 Speaker 1: about that too, uh he said Argyll bargel, which is 586 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:45,040 Speaker 1: a real word? Had Hurley Burley? Is that a real 587 00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,239 Speaker 1: one too? I don't know it works though. Hurdy gurdy Man, 588 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:58,080 Speaker 1: hurdy gurdy man. Buzz aldren Astronaut rumored again just rumored 589 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,640 Speaker 1: to have tweeted we were all in Dane. It is 590 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,640 Speaker 1: evil itself, along with a picture of the alleged ice 591 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:10,680 Speaker 1: pyramid Antarctic ice Perramid, and then he rapidly deleted it. 592 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 1: Let's let's take a note here, Buzz Aldrin is notorious 593 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:20,400 Speaker 1: for his distaste for what he considers conspiracy theorists and 594 00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:24,839 Speaker 1: for his sense of humor. It's also not obvious why 595 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:30,560 Speaker 1: somebody would fly buzz out to Antarctica to investigate a pyramid. 596 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:35,799 Speaker 1: And one last thing here. According to Snopes, that website 597 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,680 Speaker 1: that is loved and loathed by so many, it's it 598 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,120 Speaker 1: says this is false. Yeah, so okay, that's not that's 599 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,359 Speaker 1: just what it doesn't mean. It does. Well that that 600 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,600 Speaker 1: just means if you believe Snopes, then it's scuttle. But 601 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:56,960 Speaker 1: so apparently there are not astronauts trape scene about Antarctica, 602 00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:03,320 Speaker 1: although the US military did have some excursions there in 603 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:07,400 Speaker 1: the World War two days. And if you are feeling 604 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,319 Speaker 1: like a lovely trip down a rabbit hole, uh, go 605 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:14,520 Speaker 1: ahead and hop on your preferred Internet search engine and 606 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:19,440 Speaker 1: type in operation high Jump. Definitely, And just to stay 607 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,160 Speaker 1: on Aldrin for a moment, do you guys remember when 608 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,520 Speaker 1: he was on c SPAN and he had that little 609 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:28,319 Speaker 1: he mentioned that aside about the monolith on one of 610 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:32,799 Speaker 1: the moons of Jupiter. Do you guys remember this? He 611 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,520 Speaker 1: actually says his statement, I don't have an exact quotes 612 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,400 Speaker 1: in in front of you. But a statement is like 613 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,719 Speaker 1: when people see that monolith monolith on one of the 614 00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:45,120 Speaker 1: moons of Jupiter, they're gonna say, where did that come from? 615 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,799 Speaker 1: Who built that? And then he just goes on with 616 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:54,120 Speaker 1: this conversation. It's pretty incredible and it's real, It's absolutely real. 617 00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,759 Speaker 1: And so there are other theories. I think we should 618 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:03,000 Speaker 1: just jump to this theory. Some people. Okay, so we 619 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:08,120 Speaker 1: can divide theories about pyramids into three rough buckets. There's 620 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,239 Speaker 1: the bucket of how are they built? Right, and there's 621 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:15,160 Speaker 1: the bucket of what were they for? And then there's 622 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,720 Speaker 1: the other one, which is what do they do? Because 623 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,839 Speaker 1: some people, you know, people who believe in uh sacred geometry, 624 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:27,879 Speaker 1: for example, people there are people who believe that these 625 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:32,520 Speaker 1: shapes or the placement of these structures has some sort 626 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:36,640 Speaker 1: of significance in a in a larger sense, right, you 627 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,120 Speaker 1: can find people who believe that the pyramids are built 628 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:43,000 Speaker 1: along lay lines L. E. Y. Right, which is sort 629 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:47,319 Speaker 1: of the belief in lay lines is the belief that 630 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:52,440 Speaker 1: the planet has something like its own nervous system and 631 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:58,920 Speaker 1: that these lines aggregate some sort of energy or power. 632 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:04,399 Speaker 1: People who have tested this feel that that is not 633 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:09,720 Speaker 1: scientifically valid. Right, they say, Okay, there's a secretion of energy, 634 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:14,239 Speaker 1: or you stand in Stonehenge on the right time of 635 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:18,359 Speaker 1: the lunar year or the solar year, and you you 636 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,600 Speaker 1: feel like there's some great thing happening, but there's no 637 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,640 Speaker 1: measurement of it. Right, there's no there's no heat differential all. 638 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:30,719 Speaker 1: There's not massive geothermal vent or anything. We're definitely not 639 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,359 Speaker 1: fully discounting that, but we are saying there is no 640 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:38,799 Speaker 1: scientific evidence to prove its existence. So let's bounce around 641 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,080 Speaker 1: these theories a little bit. No, I know you've been 642 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:45,600 Speaker 1: dying to talk about this. Yeah, green, you know, where 643 00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,400 Speaker 1: where does green come into all this? That I mentioned 644 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:53,799 Speaker 1: that a couple couple of times. I wasn't tried to poke, fine, 645 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,520 Speaker 1: but just a friend of the show, Ben Carson, who 646 00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:02,399 Speaker 1: I believe currently serves as our secretary Um. He came 647 00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:07,640 Speaker 1: out during the campaign for president with an interesting theory 648 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:12,480 Speaker 1: that that the Pyramids were created by Joseph Um and 649 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:18,719 Speaker 1: his amazing technicolor dreamcoat to store grain. Yeah, there were granaries. 650 00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:23,479 Speaker 1: This in this belief surprised a lot of people when 651 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,600 Speaker 1: when Ben Carson said this. When Secretary Carson said this, 652 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:33,319 Speaker 1: because he uh, he was espousing a belief that a 653 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,560 Speaker 1: lot of people had never heard before. It turns out 654 00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:39,600 Speaker 1: medieval Europeans believed the pyramids were these granaries that were 655 00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:43,680 Speaker 1: described in the Old Testament, and that's where the description 656 00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,160 Speaker 1: of the pyramids is Joseph's Granaries come from. It. It 657 00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,600 Speaker 1: goes back to like the sixth century. So he wasn't 658 00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:54,120 Speaker 1: just you know, off the dome making a guess um. 659 00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,799 Speaker 1: This uh. This was in a book called History of 660 00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,879 Speaker 1: the Franks by Gregory of Tours, and then it got 661 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:05,160 Speaker 1: popularized by a book called the Book of John Mandeville. 662 00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,359 Speaker 1: That was back when there were way fewer books, so 663 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,120 Speaker 1: you could just call the thing you wrote the book 664 00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:14,000 Speaker 1: the book by me. Yeah, what his His main argument 665 00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:18,440 Speaker 1: was that the pyramids were hermetically sealed um, and that 666 00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:22,920 Speaker 1: you wouldn't need to hermetically seal a crypt um, but 667 00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,040 Speaker 1: that would be something that would come in handy if 668 00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,960 Speaker 1: you were trying to preserve grain. I've got a quote 669 00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,600 Speaker 1: here from a BBC article from an egyptologist. Remember those 670 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:35,879 Speaker 1: guys we talked about them, they exist, They're real. One 671 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,319 Speaker 1: of them his name James Allen of Brown University, and 672 00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,399 Speaker 1: he says, quote, there's no way in the world. An 673 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,160 Speaker 1: ounce of grain would be stored in a structure like that, 674 00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,640 Speaker 1: it would be totally impractical. It's like saying the Tower 675 00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:53,120 Speaker 1: of London was built as a granary store you could 676 00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,400 Speaker 1: put grain in it. I mean, so is it granary? 677 00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:01,320 Speaker 1: Just any structure that contains grain essentially, that's used specifically, 678 00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,600 Speaker 1: that's built for it. So we could fill this studio 679 00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,560 Speaker 1: with grain, and that way, it wouldn't make it a 680 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,960 Speaker 1: granary because we didn't build it specifically for that purpose, 681 00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:12,960 Speaker 1: I guess. But you also have to think about how 682 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:14,960 Speaker 1: does the grain get in, how do you get it out? 683 00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:19,000 Speaker 1: Does it make sense? That's true with the pyramid, it 684 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,920 Speaker 1: just doesn't make any sense. And there's another there's another 685 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:28,399 Speaker 1: idea here. In eighteen fifty nine, a British publisher named 686 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,399 Speaker 1: John Taylor wrote a book called The Great Pyramid, Why 687 00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,760 Speaker 1: It Was Built and Who built it? Uh. He said 688 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:42,759 Speaker 1: that Noah, not the Egyptians, the biblical Noah built the 689 00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,840 Speaker 1: pyramid because he built the arc and then he was 690 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,720 Speaker 1: therefore the most competent to direct the building of the pyramid. 691 00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,640 Speaker 1: He also believes that the purpose of the pyramid, if 692 00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,640 Speaker 1: we're going to a different theory, is to be a 693 00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:59,560 Speaker 1: repository for the divine system of all mathematical truths. WHOA, right, 694 00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,400 Speaker 1: that's fun. What is that? Is that like a like 695 00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:06,360 Speaker 1: a like a real fancy slide rule or something. Yeah, 696 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:10,319 Speaker 1: it's it's an enormous slide rule because they couldn't get 697 00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,640 Speaker 1: the moving parts for an abbocus. Got it, and we're 698 00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,840 Speaker 1: going to build a huge advocus. There are other people 699 00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:21,400 Speaker 1: who believe that the Great Pyramid is predictive. There's a 700 00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,720 Speaker 1: book called Our Inheritance of the Great Pyramid, also published 701 00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:30,239 Speaker 1: in the eighteen hundreds, revealed to use to use our 702 00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:37,640 Speaker 1: patented air quote revealed the date of the apocalypse. I 703 00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:42,239 Speaker 1: mean that's cool, is it? Yeah? I mean why not 704 00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:44,120 Speaker 1: if you could? You want to know, if you could 705 00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,360 Speaker 1: glean the date, then maybe you can prevent it. What 706 00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,680 Speaker 1: are you gonna do about it? Drink more water and 707 00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:55,719 Speaker 1: less soda? Where more sunscreen? So we can see that. 708 00:45:55,840 --> 00:46:01,080 Speaker 1: A lot of the more m out there theories about 709 00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:06,879 Speaker 1: pyramids come from the pyramid craze in the eighteen hundreds, right, 710 00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,879 Speaker 1: and a lot of them are religiously based. There. Of course, 711 00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,480 Speaker 1: people who will say that pyramids were built by some 712 00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:19,879 Speaker 1: diabolical force. Right, an ancient evil or a demon. Uh. 713 00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:24,919 Speaker 1: There is of course no proof of that. Back in 714 00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,200 Speaker 1: the time when a lot of these theories were propagated, 715 00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:31,440 Speaker 1: people were sort of feeling around in the dark. Um. 716 00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,239 Speaker 1: One of the interesting things probably interested a lot of 717 00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:39,160 Speaker 1: people here is that for a long time there was 718 00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:45,759 Speaker 1: a fairly popular conspiracy theory of sorts that, uh, you know, 719 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:50,200 Speaker 1: a global civilization built all of these things, to to 720 00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:57,400 Speaker 1: with the Atlantis fabled lost civilization of Atlantis built the pyramids. 721 00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,719 Speaker 1: So let's look at the argument. To a fellow named 722 00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:04,919 Speaker 1: Ignatius Loyola Donnelly, how's that for a name that sounds great? 723 00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:10,400 Speaker 1: Congressman from Minnesota in the late eighteen hundreds, he argued 724 00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:15,080 Speaker 1: this very point, he said, and that there once existed 725 00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,759 Speaker 1: in the Atlantic Ocean opposite the mouth of the mediterrane 726 00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:22,440 Speaker 1: see a large island was a remnant of another Atlantic 727 00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:28,440 Speaker 1: continent known as Atlantis. Uh. He said that Plato's description, 728 00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,880 Speaker 1: which Soften taken to be a fable, was the straight poop, 729 00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:36,440 Speaker 1: that it was actual history, and that modern man first 730 00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:41,080 Speaker 1: rose from barbarism to civilization in Atlantis. And then he 731 00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:44,279 Speaker 1: said that the Atlanteans stablished colonies around the world. I 732 00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,839 Speaker 1: mean we've we've heard all of this, right, Uh, And 733 00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,720 Speaker 1: at this point we know that there have been ancient 734 00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:55,640 Speaker 1: low civilizations, but again there's never been one big you know, 735 00:47:55,680 --> 00:48:01,080 Speaker 1: like one people to rule them all found. You know, 736 00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:06,640 Speaker 1: still people love this theory. What do you guys think 737 00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:12,200 Speaker 1: about the cargo cult theory of pyramids? Oh, that's interesting. 738 00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:17,680 Speaker 1: So cargo cults, which do exist. Cargo cults came from 739 00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:25,080 Speaker 1: Polynesian islands out in the Pacific Ocean, where in pretty 740 00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:29,239 Speaker 1: fairly isolated communities saw for the first time technology that 741 00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:34,719 Speaker 1: they had never seen before, radio towers, right, airplanes, weapons 742 00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:38,719 Speaker 1: of war, even clothing, even clothing of type yeah, that 743 00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:42,760 Speaker 1: they had never seen before. And so they also would 744 00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,960 Speaker 1: see these cargo drops which would contain food and clothing, 745 00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:52,640 Speaker 1: survival materials, stuff like that humanitarian aid for example. And 746 00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:59,960 Speaker 1: so these cargo cults began, uh instituting religious practices, spiritual 747 00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:06,480 Speaker 1: practices wherein they would build uh, radio towers or an airplane, 748 00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:10,040 Speaker 1: but it would be out of stuff available materials. Yeah, 749 00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,560 Speaker 1: it wouldn't be a flying it would be a symbolic 750 00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:17,360 Speaker 1: radio tower, symbolic airplane. And they would reproduce or enact 751 00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:24,480 Speaker 1: various ritualistic behaviors in hopes of uh in the hopes 752 00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:29,360 Speaker 1: of the cargo returning. One of these groups warshiped Prince 753 00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:34,680 Speaker 1: Philip as a god as it like, not as a 754 00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:38,400 Speaker 1: cool guy, not as just a regular dude as it 755 00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,920 Speaker 1: should bear. Have you seen as jawline? I mean you 756 00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:45,200 Speaker 1: can break stunning break walnuts and hearts on that jo line. 757 00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,120 Speaker 1: So the thing with this would be that the pyramids 758 00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,800 Speaker 1: sprung up throughout the world in all these different developing 759 00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:56,840 Speaker 1: civilizations because of some in the ancient alien theory. Some 760 00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:01,120 Speaker 1: either ship that resembled a pyramid and then they were 761 00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:04,200 Speaker 1: built like in Memoriam in a way or to try 762 00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,279 Speaker 1: and get them back down. You're doing a stargate thing here. 763 00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:09,759 Speaker 1: It's essentially little kind of like a star gate, but 764 00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:14,000 Speaker 1: just you know, a signal, a large enough signal that says, hey, 765 00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,840 Speaker 1: wherever you are up in the heavens, come visit again 766 00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:21,000 Speaker 1: or come back to us. It's fascinating. So then it 767 00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:25,080 Speaker 1: would be oh side note, the religious sect that we 768 00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:30,839 Speaker 1: mentioned is referred to as the Prince Philip Movement. They're 769 00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:36,399 Speaker 1: in an island in Vanuatu called Tana Nice. So if 770 00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:41,040 Speaker 1: you are searching spiritually for something and you think you 771 00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,239 Speaker 1: want to just try out a religion you have not 772 00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,160 Speaker 1: heard of, then go ahead and uh give the Prince 773 00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,960 Speaker 1: Philip movement ago and let us know how it works 774 00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:54,120 Speaker 1: out for you. So, ancient aliens, We've mentioned this on 775 00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,040 Speaker 1: the show before, and I feel like we'd be remiss 776 00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,080 Speaker 1: if we didn't explore this a little bit because this 777 00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:04,920 Speaker 1: ties in too one of the conspiracies, not a theory, 778 00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:09,320 Speaker 1: but one of the conspiracies that happened when Europeans began 779 00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:17,440 Speaker 1: exploring possibilities of the origin for pyramids. Right, So there 780 00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,320 Speaker 1: are a couple of things we should address here. First, 781 00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:24,680 Speaker 1: A lot of the ancient alien theory stuff that exists 782 00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:32,840 Speaker 1: now is descended from earlier, earlier, very racially based theories, 783 00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:37,160 Speaker 1: wherein uh, Europeans, maybe not the same guys who found 784 00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:40,279 Speaker 1: the Pointy Rock and Antarctica, but as someone who, for 785 00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:42,960 Speaker 1: the sake of argument, sounded very much like them, would 786 00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:46,840 Speaker 1: see a pyramid and say, you know, this is remarkable, 787 00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:51,680 Speaker 1: this is remarkable. Where where is the lost civilization of 788 00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:56,320 Speaker 1: clearly white people who built this? And so that just 789 00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:00,200 Speaker 1: the same way that um, a lot of my aren 790 00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:06,160 Speaker 1: urban legends descend from earlier what we would call fairy tales. Right, Um, 791 00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:12,720 Speaker 1: there's still that that folklore progression or storytelling progression, because history, 792 00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:14,799 Speaker 1: as we know, is just one long game of telephone, 793 00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,959 Speaker 1: and we have to we have to consider that because 794 00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:22,400 Speaker 1: the real, the real cover up, at least one provable 795 00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:28,080 Speaker 1: cover up, is that a lot of early explorers we're 796 00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:33,000 Speaker 1: searching for something that confirmed the belief they already had. 797 00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:40,080 Speaker 1: They had confirmation bias, because not only did they not 798 00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:45,560 Speaker 1: believe that native people could accomplish such tremendous works, but 799 00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:49,560 Speaker 1: they didn't want to believe that. And if they were 800 00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,840 Speaker 1: presented would proof, they probably would have just if we 801 00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,040 Speaker 1: know how confirmation bias works, they probably would have just 802 00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,480 Speaker 1: doubled down on their idea. Exactly. That's what I always 803 00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:59,840 Speaker 1: do that, No, I mean, really that is what we 804 00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:07,279 Speaker 1: do psychologically, unfortunately. I So these are these are some 805 00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:12,799 Speaker 1: of the ideas we do know that one provable cover 806 00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:19,480 Speaker 1: up was was either through negligence or malevolence. Where does 807 00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:24,520 Speaker 1: this all lead us? You know, we've learned that anything 808 00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:31,080 Speaker 1: can arguably be a granary if you fill it with grain. Um, 809 00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:35,240 Speaker 1: but that's kind of like saying that any any bag 810 00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:40,240 Speaker 1: you put a sandwich in automatically becomes a sandwich bag. Yeah, 811 00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:44,640 Speaker 1: you know. So we do know that there was one 812 00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:50,000 Speaker 1: provable cover up situation, and that occurred when earlier explorers 813 00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:56,840 Speaker 1: from different parts of the world said, clearly they didn't 814 00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:02,319 Speaker 1: build this their line, you see. And I know that 815 00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:04,600 Speaker 1: can be an ugly thing, but it happened. As for 816 00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,359 Speaker 1: the state of pyramids, now, the craziest thing to me 817 00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,279 Speaker 1: is we still don't know how many are out there. 818 00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,879 Speaker 1: We found the big ones, we found the big ones, 819 00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:17,080 Speaker 1: and well there are also pyramids that appear to be 820 00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:21,560 Speaker 1: in protected areas where perhaps an insular government doesn't want 821 00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:26,279 Speaker 1: any third party or NGO, you know, looking around to 822 00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:30,000 Speaker 1: find new ones that perhaps might be there or just 823 00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,880 Speaker 1: covered up in jungle that we can't see unless we 824 00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:38,760 Speaker 1: have highly sophisticated lighter just going through the jungle acre 825 00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:42,359 Speaker 1: by acre, which is a task that I wouldn't want 826 00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:45,080 Speaker 1: to do. Well. I guess that wraps up the topic. 827 00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:49,680 Speaker 1: But should we do some some shouting outing cornering absolutely 828 00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:56,480 Speaker 1: Tally Hope shout at corners. Our first shoutout today comes 829 00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,759 Speaker 1: from Sean. Sean says, guys, I've loved this show up 830 00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:03,040 Speaker 1: to most recent episode. You're moving to Mars episode I 831 00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:05,239 Speaker 1: felt like it turned into a reading of get this 832 00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:11,240 Speaker 1: guy's the communist Manifesto. Listen, I get that political opinions 833 00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:14,719 Speaker 1: of people sink into their work, intentional or unintentional. You're 834 00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:18,120 Speaker 1: usually very good about presenting counter opinions, even if one 835 00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,600 Speaker 1: of you is just playing devil's advocate. It was pretty 836 00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:27,080 Speaker 1: sad to hear a conspiracy podcast advocating from more governments. Wow, well, 837 00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:32,439 Speaker 1: I I can see what Shaan is saying where there 838 00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:36,880 Speaker 1: were definitely definitely some ideas that could be considered communists, 839 00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,560 Speaker 1: and we pointed that out in the episode. There's definitely 840 00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:44,120 Speaker 1: a centralization of government, which is not necessarily communism. But 841 00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:46,120 Speaker 1: I don't think he's talking about just that because there 842 00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:49,080 Speaker 1: were other aspects there too. Yeah, spreading out everything where 843 00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:54,520 Speaker 1: everybody gets an equal share. Um, there's no real trading 844 00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:56,880 Speaker 1: of goods for profit in this way. They're just our 845 00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,799 Speaker 1: goods and you get them. You know, well, the whole 846 00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:03,960 Speaker 1: ide you have like some greater power authority assessing your 847 00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:08,320 Speaker 1: worth and giving you work assignment based on a series 848 00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:11,960 Speaker 1: of algorithms that I guess look through your past work 849 00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,600 Speaker 1: history and you know, kind of tell you what you 850 00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,640 Speaker 1: are and what you need to be doing. Yeah, but 851 00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:19,719 Speaker 1: we we we talked about this even before we did 852 00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,359 Speaker 1: the interview, and and maybe it didn't come across as 853 00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:24,759 Speaker 1: much as we would have liked, but these were things 854 00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:28,080 Speaker 1: that we discussed when kind of like preparing for this interview. Yeah. 855 00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:30,920 Speaker 1: I think one of the things is when we're hanging 856 00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:34,080 Speaker 1: out off air, we just for a peek behind the curtain. 857 00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:38,680 Speaker 1: These episodes don't usually end for us when the episode 858 00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:43,480 Speaker 1: ends on, you know, the the official episode stream that 859 00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:48,120 Speaker 1: you're hearing. Yeah, because we'll we'll sit, we'll sit somewhere, 860 00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:50,800 Speaker 1: we'll go somewhere after work, and we'll still be talking 861 00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,240 Speaker 1: about the thing. And one of one of the things 862 00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:58,719 Speaker 1: that we would say would be a difference between straight 863 00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:03,760 Speaker 1: up orthodox community and what was being advocated here is that, uh, 864 00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:07,399 Speaker 1: what Marshall Brain was advocating was that this would be 865 00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,720 Speaker 1: a technocracy. So instead of a Stalin or another strong 866 00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,640 Speaker 1: man at the top who was still human, Uh, there 867 00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:19,160 Speaker 1: would be an artificial intelligence, which is almost scarier to me. 868 00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:23,480 Speaker 1: It's definitely unknown. Well, it's like who programs the artificial intelligence, 869 00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:25,720 Speaker 1: you know, like where does that? It's like a chicken 870 00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:27,840 Speaker 1: or the egg kind of question. But we also should 871 00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:29,800 Speaker 1: point out that the Heat said from the start, this 872 00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:33,800 Speaker 1: whole thing was a thought experiment. It wasn't necessarily advocating 873 00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:37,040 Speaker 1: for any of this, because he totally was like, very 874 00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:39,560 Speaker 1: adamant about the fact that this is pretty much impossible. 875 00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:42,360 Speaker 1: Do you even get there to even have the environment 876 00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,920 Speaker 1: that would allow us to start such a society? And 877 00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:46,160 Speaker 1: that's why it was a lot of fun for us 878 00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:47,720 Speaker 1: to talk about, because that's kind of what we like 879 00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,760 Speaker 1: to do, is you know, get hypothetical with stuff and 880 00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:54,160 Speaker 1: sort of play devil's advocate for big questions and that 881 00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:56,680 Speaker 1: sort of this gave us that opportunity a big time 882 00:57:56,800 --> 00:58:00,600 Speaker 1: and I would say, um, Sean Marshall. At the end 883 00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:03,320 Speaker 1: of that episode, he gave his email address and he 884 00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:07,680 Speaker 1: asked for people to write to him to die so 885 00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,880 Speaker 1: if and actually I have forwarded him everything that's been 886 00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:14,240 Speaker 1: written to us, specifically to conspiracy and how stuff works, 887 00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:16,760 Speaker 1: because he wants feedback. He wants to know what people 888 00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:19,280 Speaker 1: think about some of this stuff. So sure, it's very 889 00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:22,400 Speaker 1: much work in progress, as he said, and I think 890 00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:25,480 Speaker 1: that's I'm glad you did that, Matt Well. One of 891 00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:29,000 Speaker 1: the things that I would like to explore in in 892 00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:33,720 Speaker 1: a future episode would be the actual technology nuts and bolts, 893 00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:39,120 Speaker 1: because we didn't really talk about that, right and we have, uh, 894 00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:42,480 Speaker 1: we have received a lot of great questions about this. 895 00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:44,480 Speaker 1: I'm laughing because one of them comes up in a 896 00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:46,920 Speaker 1: later episode and I don't want to spoil it for anybody. 897 00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:49,600 Speaker 1: But it was a great question and I'm still thinking 898 00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:52,040 Speaker 1: about it. So thank you, Sean everyone else who wrote 899 00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:56,680 Speaker 1: in regarding this topic. Marshall Brain is quite prolific, uh, 900 00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:00,320 Speaker 1: and he does read every email he receives, and as 901 00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:04,240 Speaker 1: he said, he sincerely welcomes feedback. Our next shout out 902 00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:07,920 Speaker 1: comes from Justin. Send us an email. Justin says, good morning. 903 00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:09,960 Speaker 1: I recently started listening to stuff they don't want you 904 00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:13,120 Speaker 1: to know, and I'm enjoying it very much. Awesome, Justin, 905 00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:15,880 Speaker 1: thank you for listening and hanging out with us. I 906 00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:19,000 Speaker 1: think you guys should do a cast on cryptocurrency. You 907 00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:22,600 Speaker 1: could begin with discussions on bitcoin the leader, and then 908 00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:25,920 Speaker 1: move on to companies that use the blockchain to solve 909 00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:29,560 Speaker 1: problems in our everyday world. Take care of Justin. That's 910 00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:32,400 Speaker 1: a that's a great topic. There's a lot to discover 911 00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:34,800 Speaker 1: there on On my part, at least, I need to 912 00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:37,920 Speaker 1: do a lot of research just to really wrap my 913 00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,880 Speaker 1: head around how it all functions. I recently got a 914 00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:42,880 Speaker 1: coin base, which is like this app that allows you 915 00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:46,280 Speaker 1: to buy different cryptocurrencies. Um, the whole thing is fascinating 916 00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,320 Speaker 1: to me. And we have actually some colleagues at work 917 00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:52,280 Speaker 1: who bought into bitcoin back in the day where it 918 00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,520 Speaker 1: kind of boomed and actually I want name names, but 919 00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:58,440 Speaker 1: sold it before it boomed. Hard would have been a 920 00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:04,800 Speaker 1: minor millionaire he or she at the very least a 921 01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:07,480 Speaker 1: hundred thousand are the point being the history of cryptocurrency 922 01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:09,479 Speaker 1: and in itself is really cool, and the whole Mount 923 01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:12,080 Speaker 1: Cox thing and you know, all of that is its 924 01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:14,600 Speaker 1: own stuff, and then like how it's being used now 925 01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:16,840 Speaker 1: and the black market aspects of it and the deep Web. 926 01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:20,800 Speaker 1: Totally great episode, and some mysterious inventors stuff is in 927 01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:23,800 Speaker 1: there still in the future cash lest society that we're 928 01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:27,840 Speaker 1: running up on future I don't know. We're getting so 929 01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:30,160 Speaker 1: close and you'll just have to buy credits and have 930 01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:32,040 Speaker 1: them put on your wrist bands so that you can 931 01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:37,240 Speaker 1: scan them. Val they're gonna alter your d n A 932 01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:40,320 Speaker 1: so that every cell you every cell in your body 933 01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:43,280 Speaker 1: reflects how much worth you have that sounds like a 934 01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:48,439 Speaker 1: personal hell, like the world is just one big music festival. Yeah, yeah, 935 01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:52,440 Speaker 1: well if it was Bonnaroo, then for sure that is everywhere. 936 01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:56,720 Speaker 1: I mean, developing countries are increasingly cashless, and that our 937 01:00:56,840 --> 01:01:00,640 Speaker 1: previous episode on whether money is a religion I really 938 01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:04,480 Speaker 1: had us thinking about that too, like it's it doesn't. 939 01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:09,640 Speaker 1: It's not attached to a commodity directly now, so it's 940 01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:12,520 Speaker 1: an idea. It's out in the ether. It requires faith, 941 01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:15,360 Speaker 1: It requires a massive amount of faith. And we got 942 01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:17,280 Speaker 1: some cool emails about that one too. We should bring 943 01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:20,760 Speaker 1: up another time. Absolutely, you're so right. Just I just 944 01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,480 Speaker 1: want to say you're so right about the music festival 945 01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:26,120 Speaker 1: thing being a test run essentially of how it would 946 01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:28,440 Speaker 1: function when it's getting like a little village, like like 947 01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:31,640 Speaker 1: a society, you know, where we're all just living in 948 01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:34,720 Speaker 1: love and listening to string cheese incident and hemorrhaging money, 949 01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:39,160 Speaker 1: hemoraging money on fifteen red Bull and Vodkas. It doesn't 950 01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:41,680 Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't even have to have alcohol. It's 951 01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:46,600 Speaker 1: anything is at least ten dollars a hot dog, five 952 01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:50,680 Speaker 1: dollar waters plus four four dollars for bund service. That's 953 01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:53,080 Speaker 1: where they give you a hot dog bun charging for 954 01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:56,640 Speaker 1: the mud before you know it. Yeah, but but it 955 01:01:56,720 --> 01:02:00,000 Speaker 1: is true. It is a microcosm of society. So this fascinating. 956 01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:03,040 Speaker 1: All right, We got one last one from Anthony. Just 957 01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:07,040 Speaker 1: finished watching your latest video on Alisa Lamb's mysterious disappearance. 958 01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:10,480 Speaker 1: Staying on the topic of disappearances, have you guys looked 959 01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:17,160 Speaker 1: into the thousands of cases of National park disappearances? Say 960 01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:21,400 Speaker 1: that Anthony most notable David Pilots in his book series. 961 01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:25,120 Speaker 1: He also recently released a short documentary about it that 962 01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:28,000 Speaker 1: would make for an interesting topic to play. It's all, 963 01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:31,520 Speaker 1: this is a very prescient email, you guys got leave 964 01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:35,560 Speaker 1: it at that, but just yes and yes, and and 965 01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:38,800 Speaker 1: to quote our boss Jason Hope, stay tuned. And the 966 01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:42,480 Speaker 1: book series, the book series Anthony's referring to is missing 967 01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:46,400 Speaker 1: for one one as well as the documentary that is 968 01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:51,760 Speaker 1: now available. So yes, as as the colleague here said, 969 01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:59,880 Speaker 1: stay tuned. And that concludes our gosh but not our 970 01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:03,280 Speaker 1: or show. That is right, Matt Noel and I will 971 01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:10,040 Speaker 1: be returning next week with something probably completely different then pyramids. Yes, 972 01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:13,919 Speaker 1: ye okay, and we're gonna talk about a different shape. Yes, yep, 973 01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:20,840 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a trapezoid, perhaps decahedrons. What if there 974 01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:24,760 Speaker 1: are no angles? What if it's just a formless mass 975 01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:30,480 Speaker 1: of jelly? What if it's non euclidean alien love crafty 976 01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:33,840 Speaker 1: and geometry right, and just looking at it drives you bad? 977 01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:37,640 Speaker 1: Isn't that sort of what spawned you? I mean, you know, 978 01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:39,960 Speaker 1: I don't talk about my personal life the show. It 979 01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:42,720 Speaker 1: could be any number of things. It might even be 980 01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:47,760 Speaker 1: government continuity. Who knows, it may well be uh, but 981 01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:50,240 Speaker 1: either way, we hope that you do tune in, and 982 01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:52,760 Speaker 1: we hope that you find it interesting. In the meantime, 983 01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:55,480 Speaker 1: if you were like, this was not enough strange weird 984 01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:58,240 Speaker 1: stuff for this week? Where do I find more? Before 985 01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:01,520 Speaker 1: next Friday? We have just the place for you. 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