1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:03,280 Speaker 1: Hey, welcome back. It's another episode of Thinking out Loud. 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 1: I'm Elvis Durant. We've got a very very special guest today, 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:08,879 Speaker 1: our really dear friend, Rob Shooter. It's kind of funny 4 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: how you think you know someone, but there are so 5 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: many things about them you don't know. Let's find out 6 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: more about Rob today. You may know him as naughty 7 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 1: but Nice Rob. He's a world renowned gossip columnist. I 8 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: guess he likes that title. We'll find out. But how 9 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: does one get into a world of gossip? How did 10 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: he do it? Where did he start? And is there 11 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: such a thing as good gossip? We'll find out in 12 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: this podcast with Rob Shooter. Let's get to know it. 13 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: One of my favorite things about doing this podcast is 14 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: I'm actually sitting down with people I know or I 15 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:45,279 Speaker 1: thought I knew. Rob Shooter is here. We've known each 16 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:46,160 Speaker 1: other for how many years? 17 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 2: Gosh, it must be a decade, Elvis, like at least 18 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 2: at least like ten, fifteen, fifteen. Yeahs, It's amazing. Though 19 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:54,319 Speaker 2: you do know people for a long time, but. 20 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: Do you really know them? Well? That's the thing that's 21 00:00:57,800 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: what I love about this podcast. I can sit down 22 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: with people that I know and ask questions about things 23 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: we've never talked about. 24 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that friendships and relationships have so many 25 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 2: different colors to them. And what we would talk about 26 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 2: on a night in a bar, if we bump into 27 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 2: each other at a fabulous party, isn't always what you 28 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 2: want to talk about in the day or earlier on 29 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 2: in the evening. And so we can explore different aspects 30 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 2: of stuff that just don't come up in regular sort 31 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 2: of life. 32 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 1: Then let's do it. 33 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 2: Jump in. 34 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:32,479 Speaker 1: Okay, So Rob Shooter, legendary gossip columnist, does Z one 35 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: of many. 36 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 2: People don't like the word gossip. So I think in 37 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 2: our business the word gossip is sort of like being 38 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 2: maybe below a reality star, like it's something that people 39 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 2: really cringe about. I love that word. I love gossip. 40 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 2: I've always liked gossip. I've always been nosy. When I 41 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 2: was a little boy at school, I knew everyone's gossip 42 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 2: in the playground. It saved me from being beat up. 43 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 2: I like gossip, I like being curious. I love being nosy, 44 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 2: and I always have been well. 45 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: Some would say having gossip, having stories about someone is 46 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: having power as well. So I know that little Johnny 47 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: loves to go behind the bushes with a little coral. 48 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: I know this as my gossip. If I ever told 49 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: anyone you know what I mean, he knows I know, 50 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,080 Speaker 1: so he won't beat me up, right. 51 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 2: Absolutely, and people too. People like gossip. When I go 52 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 2: on the morning shows, they're very sensitive about gossip. It's 53 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 2: sort of like a taboo, and so they call it 54 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 2: bus It's the same thing. They call it hot topics 55 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 2: on certain shows. It's the same thing. I love gossip, 56 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 2: and I like people gossiping about me too, And it 57 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 2: doesn't have to be mean. That's the mistake that people 58 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 2: make when they think of gossip. They think of people 59 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 2: saying really mean things about one another. I say nice things. 60 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 2: I do say some naughty things too, but I say 61 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:50,959 Speaker 2: nice things too, and that's a gossip too. I want 62 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 2: to know who you're dating, what's going on in your life, 63 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 2: how much money you are. I love all that stuff. 64 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 2: I love looking at people's fringes. Last time I was 65 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 2: at your flat, your house, your apartments, in your fridge. 66 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 2: I love people's fridges. Fascinating. 67 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: Was there anything in there? 68 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 2: It's very neat, very neat. 69 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: See it now? All right? So this is rob Shooter. 70 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: This is the podcast where we find out more about 71 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: our friend Rob. Now I want to go back to Gossip, 72 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: but let's just cover a few of the foundational items. 73 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:22,959 Speaker 1: Gossip columnist legendary. Also, you're an executive editor of Okay 74 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: magazine and you actually drove up circulation numbers in a crazy, 75 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,679 Speaker 1: unprecedented way at the time. I want to find out how. 76 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 2: You did that. 77 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: Also, publicist, you've been the publicist for several very famous 78 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: people that we all know and love. I want to 79 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: find out how you got into that and what good 80 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: it did for them and for you. Also, you wrote 81 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: a great book, Busy Busy, a very busy guy. 82 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 2: It's all fun and they're all stepping stones that have 83 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 2: led to the next chapter in my life. To use 84 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 2: a book metaphor, they've all led to the next thing. 85 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 2: So if you don't like the job you're doing at 86 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 2: the moment, I figure out a way to get out 87 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 2: of it and figure out a way to get as 88 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 2: much out of it. Slightly different. They're not just leaving 89 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 2: the job, but how can you get as much out 90 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 2: of it as you possibly can. I fell into publicity. 91 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 2: I was a receptionist when I came to America. I 92 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 2: didn't have a green card. Initially, so I had to 93 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 2: do like these odd jobs. And finally when I got 94 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 2: a green card, I became a receptionist. I answered the 95 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 2: telephones at a big PR company, and it was the 96 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 2: most fabulous job I've ever had because I knew everything 97 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 2: because every phone call was before cell phones had to 98 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 2: come through my little switchboard. 99 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: Oh so you were of the pivot point. 100 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 2: I knew. I was like the center of this company, 101 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 2: probably the least paid person there and the lowest status. 102 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 2: But I figured out really quickly that I had enormous 103 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 2: power being on the phones with these celebrities calling in 104 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 2: or reporters calling in. And I learned my craft. I 105 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 2: learned how the business works from answering phones and listening. Listen, 106 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 2: be curious, be nosy. Let's go backward. Let's go back 107 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,119 Speaker 2: to you growing up in the UK. Where are you from? Birmingham, England, 108 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 2: which I like to say is Chicago, but it's more 109 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 2: like Detroit. 110 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 1: It's a little time. 111 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 2: It's luck right, it's a second city, part of the 112 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 2: Industrial Revolution, but that was a long time ago. So 113 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 2: now all the canals, all the big factories are a 114 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 2: little sort of any little bit, a little bit of 115 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 2: a Polish and so I grew up in this really 116 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 2: tough town, very working class. I'm the youngest of five. 117 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 2: My dad's a policeman, my mom a homemaker, and so 118 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 2: I grew up on the wrong side of the tracks. 119 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 2: And I wouldn't have it any other way. Now now 120 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 2: I've seen the nice side of the tracks. I like 121 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 2: by beginning, it was a really fun place, full of 122 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 2: lots of love. Not much else. We didn't have a 123 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 2: lot of money, but we had a lot of love. 124 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: Obviously, I'm going to make a guest here. You were 125 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 1: a lot different than most people you grew up with, 126 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: including your siblings. How were you different as a kid? 127 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 1: And looking back, that kid, little young robshooter, what do 128 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: you see in that young rumshooter? That was the spark 129 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 1: that turns who you are today? Like, how are you different? 130 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: But that's it? 131 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 2: But I mean, I'm day, I'm openly gay. But that 132 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 2: wasn't my story. Early on a birth, my arm was damaged, 133 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 2: and so I was different as a old because I 134 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 2: spent an enormous amount of time in hospital. I nearly 135 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 2: lost my arm, and because of the damage to my arm, 136 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 2: I couldn't walk, So I had a walking stick. When 137 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 2: I was a child, I couldn't crawl because I didn't 138 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,359 Speaker 2: have two arms, and I couldn't ride a bicycle. So 139 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 2: I always knew I was different physically, So. 140 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, you so you were forced to be the different. 141 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 2: Yes, And my arm was often in a sling, it 142 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 2: was often in a plaster. 143 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: How did other kids treat you? 144 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 2: They treated me like I was odd, and I sort 145 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 2: of and I was, But I learned that that word 146 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 2: was a good word. Now when I see something odd, 147 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 2: I'm quite excited. Like when I find a play that's odd, 148 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 2: it means that I liked it. And so from really 149 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 2: from the early age, I was my mom who taught 150 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 2: me this, because there was no way I could fit 151 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 2: in with these other kids. I just couldn't do the 152 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 2: things that they were doing. And when I dried, I 153 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 2: was terribly sad. I remember once trying to climb a 154 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 2: rope with what arm. It can't be done how much 155 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 2: you wanted to, and I had the will of the desire, 156 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 2: but I just couldn't do it. I remember once on 157 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 2: a school trip, we were in a windboats and I 158 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 2: went round in. 159 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: A circle because I know, but listen to these things 160 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: as a child. These things can be devastating. Not only 161 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: are you worried about what people think about you, but 162 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: sometimes they may say things to your face that's just cruel. 163 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: But we learned that when you are different and you're 164 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: walking marching in a different manner than everyone else, then 165 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: you stand out. I stood out, So you were standing 166 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: out for maybe you would think at the time all 167 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: the wrong reasons, right right, and so did you? You 168 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: obviously have held on to that because you're still very room. 169 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 2: I'm different. It's awkward, and the thing is, I'm so 170 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 2: different that I couldn't run away from it. So my 171 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 2: sister everybody feels different as children, if you have a 172 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 2: few pimples on your face, or if you're not the 173 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 2: tallest person, or if you're too tall. I've talked about 174 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 2: how she felt different growing up. You can try to 175 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 2: fit in. I couldn't. I just I was I don't 176 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 2: walk in straight lines because of the way my balance is, 177 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 2: so I'm always banking into walls. So at like eight 178 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 2: years old, they're like, who's that drug kid in the school. 179 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 2: So I knew I was different and there was no 180 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 2: escape in it. So the choice was you have to 181 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 2: just celebrate this or you're gonna have a really miserable life. 182 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 2: And I remember really having that moment when I was like, 183 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 2: this is who I am. And I had an enormous 184 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 2: amount of physical therapy, and it was sort of mental 185 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 2: therapy too, So at a really early age I figured 186 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 2: out who I was. 187 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: Was there ever, like a defining moment you can recall 188 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: were you actually and you'll never forget it. You actually 189 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: remember saying it to yourself internally, or however, oh my god, 190 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: this is actually a great thing. 191 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 2: It came from a bad moment, but the good often 192 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 2: in life comes from the bad. I my sister was 193 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 2: very musical. I love music. A house was full of music. 194 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 2: We saw musicals on TV. We couldn't afford to get 195 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 2: to the broad theaters, the western theaters, but we saw 196 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 2: them on TV. I started to learn to play the clarinet. 197 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:08,199 Speaker 2: The clarinet with one hand. Well, that was the problem. 198 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 2: Their teachers didn't figure out that after the first hand, 199 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 2: did you have to get to the second. And I 200 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 2: was so damn good at this clarinet that I live 201 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 2: through the first three fingers, and then when it came 202 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 2: to the other hand, I couldn't do it. So I 203 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 2: was a really promising clarinet player who really enjoyed it. 204 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 2: I practiced all the time, I enjoyed doing it, and 205 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 2: I had to give it up because I just couldn't. 206 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 2: I hit a wall, I couldn't learn the clarinet about 207 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 2: the drop it. That's what I did. That's what I did. 208 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 2: So I moved to the trumpet. And that was a 209 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 2: moment when a light bulb went off and I was like, 210 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 2: you know, there is a different road. There's a road 211 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 2: for all of us, and there's a way to get 212 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 2: to that dream on a different path. And I literally, 213 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 2: as a young boy, I cried and cried about having 214 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 2: to give up my clarinet, and it was almost like 215 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 2: a death, like I was so sad about this clarinet. 216 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 2: And within a few weeks the trumpet appeared in my 217 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 2: bedroom in my house. And I'm a really good trumpet player. 218 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 2: I played the trumpet. Now I'm not that rated it anymore. 219 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 2: I don't practice that much. But there's a path. It 220 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 2: might not be your first choice, it might not be 221 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 2: the path you thought it was going to be, but 222 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 2: there is a path. 223 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: Well, when your clarinet disappeared, keep in mind it was 224 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: just to have a clarinet that disappeared. You had no 225 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: clue about who was it to put that coronet or 226 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: trumpet in your my mom. 227 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 2: My mom so felt so guilty because it was it 228 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 2: was a my almost damaged when I was born, and 229 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 2: so during birth it was a metal fourcep delivery that 230 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 2: pulled me out. I was a huge baby. I was 231 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 2: twelve pounds, which was the biggest baby they'd ever had 232 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 2: in that hospital. And my mom all her life has 233 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:48,199 Speaker 2: felt that she didn't try hard enough or it was 234 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 2: her fault about it, and so I think that guilt 235 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 2: really made her jump into action. So it was my 236 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 2: mom that found the trumpet, and I remember like her 237 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 2: looking because you couldn't there was not the internet back then. 238 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 2: But I remember her like looking through catalogs of instruments 239 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 2: to see what you could play with one hand. Yeah, 240 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 2: there's going to be a guitar. Oh no, we can't 241 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 2: do the guitar. That's two hands. 242 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:08,959 Speaker 1: The piano. 243 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, that's two hands the trumpet. And 244 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 2: that's how the trumpet appeared. 245 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: Wow. So you said you had five siblings and the 246 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: youngest the five. Okay, so five of you do you 247 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: feel like between us that you had a special connection 248 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:23,319 Speaker 1: with your. 249 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 2: Then would say absolutely, and they think I'm a total 250 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 2: brat about it. And when I go back to Britain 251 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 2: and we have a family dinner, I always sit next 252 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 2: to Mim. I push everybody out the way. I want 253 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 2: to say, next to the barb and yeah, no, definitely 254 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 2: it's a bond. I think if a child has their 255 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 2: mothers love, their unconditional love, you can really go places. 256 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 2: Some of the superstars that I've worked with and when 257 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 2: I would ask them what made you so special, none 258 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:51,319 Speaker 2: of them really said talent. It was about being loved 259 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 2: as a child. And so if you have kids out there, 260 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 2: really love them, really love them. 261 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: I know I was very loved as a look at us, 262 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: look at us and I played the coroner as well. 263 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: So as a child, at what point did you realize, Okay, 264 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: there is going to be a future of me, Rob Shooter. 265 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: I think I would like to be a blank. I 266 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: would like to have a career because it looks cool 267 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:19,199 Speaker 1: to me in the middle of something. Do you remember 268 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: what it was you first wanted to do when you 269 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: grew up. 270 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 2: I wanted to be in politics. I thought going to 271 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,319 Speaker 2: be I liked that Margaret Thatcher felt like she was 272 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 2: putting on a show. And in Britain we have this 273 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 2: thing called Prime Minister's question Time and it's televised, and 274 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 2: she would stand there in the in the middle of 275 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 2: the houses of Parliament and take questions and she was 276 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 2: so theatrical and so blazingly dramatic. It felt to me 277 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,199 Speaker 2: like it was a play. And so I liked theater. 278 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 2: I couldn't act very well. I couldn't sing very well, 279 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 2: or though I was fabulous as model the Taylor in 280 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 2: Fiddler on the Room. 281 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: Oh talk about it well as in. 282 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 2: Edinburgh at the time, and you would have thought we 283 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 2: would have done Brigadoo. No, it is Scottish production. A 284 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 2: Fiddler on the Roof Gentiles don't like. So I liked theater, 285 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 2: but I didn't want to get that road. So I 286 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 2: ended up getting my masters in political science, and the 287 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 2: plan was to go to London and sort of be 288 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 2: an mpiece assistant and work my way up in that world. 289 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 1: Do you love me? 290 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 2: Do I? What? 291 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: Do you love me? 292 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 2: Do I love you? For twenty five years of clea 293 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 2: your mails and. 294 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: Fund your mouth? Is that I think you do? I remember? 295 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: Do you love me? Do I? What? 296 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:43,119 Speaker 2: Do, I what what She's just cleaning the house leaving alone. 297 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:47,079 Speaker 1: A great musical. Okay, So politicians also have this. They 298 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: have to be they have to be dramatic, they have 299 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: to be show busy. 300 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 2: It's so busy it is. 301 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: And so I think that's something you have clung onto 302 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: to this very day, the need to get your point across. 303 00:13:58,679 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 1: You gotta be over the top. 304 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I like. I like to argue. I like to disagree. 305 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 2: I hope I'm not disagreeable, but I like debates. I 306 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:12,439 Speaker 2: like difficult subjects. I think I can find a middle 307 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 2: ground hopefully with people. And I think, like challenge yourself, 308 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 2: hang out with people who don't agree with you. It's 309 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 2: such a much it's much more of a fun night, so. 310 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: Uncomfortable thinking about it. For some people, I happen to 311 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: agree that I want to disagree. 312 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 2: Yes, I love that, and sometimes too, I'm so contrary too. 313 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 2: But as far as like being over the top and 314 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 2: show busy, it's who I am, like I don't like 315 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 2: some of our friends. People we know can be very 316 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 2: flashy when they're on the microphone or on television, and 317 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 2: a little bit dull behind the scenes. Kim Kardashian and 318 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 2: so like, oh no, sorry, she's I had to dinner 319 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 2: with Kim. It's a little doll. Yeah, it's a little doll. 320 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 2: But on the show she's terrific. But I'm as this 321 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 2: ridiculous at dinner. You get it is what it is, Yes, 322 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 2: you are okay. 323 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: So jumping from I'm thinking about me a politician to 324 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: being fascinated with the world of celebrity. Oh I love them. 325 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: How did that bridge happen? 326 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 2: Well, I always loved the Royals, and to us they 327 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 2: were celebrities. So the Royals were a Kardashians. They still 328 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 2: are still. I loved all the glamour of it, and 329 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 2: I loved Dynasty, the TV show, and I liked like 330 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 2: diamonds and crowns and so I loved all that dressing 331 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 2: up stuff. So in Britain it wasn't quite as as 332 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 2: glamorous as American celebrities. We loved the American celebrities. So 333 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 2: I always liked celebrities. I always liked reading the magazines. 334 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 2: I used to spend my pocket money and buy the 335 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 2: Smash Hits, which was a weekly magazine about all your 336 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 2: favorite pop stars. I'd save up my money to go 337 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 2: and see them in concert. Or their movies. And I 338 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 2: remember I got to meet Farah Fawcett, Oh wow, who 339 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 2: had a fragrance. And poor Farah had to come to Birmingham, 340 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 2: England to sell as fragrance at debonums, which she didn't 341 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 2: really want to do, but nevertheless it was her. 342 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: She signed a contract took up legally bound. 343 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 2: Harold's five Paris fight birbing Gum. But she had took 344 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 2: up to Birmingam and I waited it lie to beat 345 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 2: Farah Foscett. I couldn't afford the fragrance. But she signed 346 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 2: a little postcard that they were handing out for AE 347 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 2: and I framed it so I looked at it and 348 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I want to be part of 349 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 2: this world. I knew I didn't have her talent, but 350 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 2: there there was a way for me to be part 351 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 2: of that world. 352 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: I had that Farah Fawcet poster on my well when 353 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: I was in the school I was a little kid. 354 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 2: Yes, I think it's still the biggest selling poster of 355 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 2: all the red bathing suit. 356 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: Do you remember? Do you know who designed that red 357 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: bathing suit? Who I used to know? I don't know. 358 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: I'll get back to you on. 359 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 2: And she hung up the blanket behind her. Originally it 360 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 2: was just her standing there and she found it in 361 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 2: the back of a car or something. This Indian tapestry. 362 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: I do believe Norma Komali design. Was it Norma Kamali? 363 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: We interviewed her, didn't we Norma Kamali? I think we 364 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: did anyway, Moving on blah but okay, So, but at 365 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: what point did you realize you wanted to have a 366 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:05,439 Speaker 1: career that was a part of celebrity. I mean, how 367 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 1: did you make that connection. 368 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 2: I wasn't from the background where I could make choices, 369 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 2: so I think a lot of people in life wonder 370 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 2: how did you make that choice. I had to fall 371 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 2: into whatever job took me, so I needed to make money. 372 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 2: And so if I'd got a first job working at Starbucks, 373 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 2: then I might have took a very different road. I 374 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 2: had a friend who worked at a PR company and 375 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:31,360 Speaker 2: they were opening up a New York office and they 376 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 2: were like, do you want to answer the phones? And 377 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 2: I and I was like, I can answer phones. I 378 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 2: know how to do that, and then I learned the job. 379 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:42,120 Speaker 2: There there's very few jobs that we can't learn how 380 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 2: to do, Like brain surgery is one, and sort of, 381 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 2: I guess flying a plane and being a pilot, although 382 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:50,400 Speaker 2: they learned both of those jobs at some point did learn. 383 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 2: They didn't doctor Ars didn't wake up being doctor, or 384 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 2: he wasn't born doctor Ars. He learned the craft. And 385 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 2: so I'm a big believer that if you are willing 386 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 2: to do the work, you can do anything. Can I 387 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 2: do the work? And I learned it from all the 388 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:06,120 Speaker 2: celebrities I work for. When you look at these big stars, 389 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 2: you think of them as just so naturally gorgeous and talented, 390 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 2: they're not. They weren't born stars. They became stars. 391 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: So here we are working at a PR agency in 392 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 1: New York City, and wow, how exciting. 393 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 2: It was fantastic. 394 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,199 Speaker 1: It was this kid from Birmingham is now living in 395 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 1: New York City. How much were we making? Remember your salary? 396 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 2: I think it was maybe twenty five thousand dollars a 397 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 2: year in New York City, New York City, and I 398 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 2: represented every tea and spoon and beauty in the beanst 399 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 2: on Broadway. So it was never lie any big stars. 400 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 2: Michelle Lee from Lots Landing was my first sort of celebrity. 401 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 2: And then this beautiful, beautiful young model who was on 402 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 2: the cover of GQ hired me and she didn't know 403 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 2: at the time, but it was Tyra Banks, and so 404 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 2: Tyra was the one that changed my career a little bit. 405 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 2: And then I went on to work with j Loo, 406 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 2: Jennifer Lopez and Diddy and bon Jovi and Alicia Keys 407 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 2: and Jessica Simpson. It was really really fun, fun life. 408 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: These are a heavy duty names. 409 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 2: There are big stars, and it was wild to see 410 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 2: to be with them, and I was never jaded about it. 411 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 2: I loved it. I had like a front row seat 412 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:13,199 Speaker 2: watching pop culture history be made, and so I was 413 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 2: always really excited to be there. I felt very privileged 414 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 2: that this kid from Birmingham was sitting next to Jlo 415 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 2: in a fabulous car going to the men. 416 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 1: You were watching pop history being made, but you were 417 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: a part of making it as well. Explain to everyone 418 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,439 Speaker 1: what you would do for the Jennifer lopezz and the 419 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: bon Jovies of the world. 420 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 2: When you're a publicist for a big star, you were 421 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 2: inundated with requests, and so your job is to figure 422 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 2: out what is the best request for them. Wanted to 423 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 2: cover glamor would want Jaylo on the cover. So Jennifer 424 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 2: Sell sold magazine she still does, and so she would 425 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 2: get these incredible offers to do all these covers, and 426 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 2: all the TV shows want her, and she only has 427 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 2: so much time, and career wise, you have to make 428 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 2: right choices. And so if you're going to do a 429 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 2: serious movie, you might not want to be on the 430 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 2: cover of Cosmo, which is a very sexual magazine, and 431 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:03,919 Speaker 2: you might want to be on a different choice. And 432 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 2: so if you want to change your image or adapt 433 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,880 Speaker 2: to you are a seller product, we would find those 434 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 2: best ways to do it. And then there's a lot 435 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 2: of crisis. PR two, when she broke up with with 436 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,360 Speaker 2: Ben for the first time. I wrote the breakup statement 437 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 2: like I was on the phone with Jennifer, right, And 438 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 2: it's always the same statement. It's always like, please respect 439 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 2: our privacy and we're still best friends, none of which 440 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 2: is true. 441 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 1: Okay, So I always find it fascinating when a celebrity 442 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: couple breaks up there is an announcement. The rest of 443 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:35,239 Speaker 1: us we would never make the announcement because no one 444 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: gives a flying fuck, right, But why does there need 445 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: to be an announcement about a breakup with a celebrity couple. 446 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 2: It really doesn't need to be but the reason it's 447 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 2: done is because you want to tell your own story. 448 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 2: It's a good lesson in all our lives, tell your 449 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 2: own story. So we might not put out an announcement 450 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 2: when we break up, but we do call our best friend. 451 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 2: And that's the same thing. Really in the celebrity world, 452 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:03,479 Speaker 2: the audience, their public is someone an extension of their 453 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 2: friendship group, a very powerful group who really afford them 454 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 2: the life they have. And so when when Jessica Simpson 455 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,360 Speaker 2: broke up with Nick, I think before she told Nick, 456 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 2: she told me like Jessica called me and said this 457 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 2: is over, and we drafted a statement and then we 458 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 2: worked with Nick's people to massage it a little bit, 459 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 2: and then we put out a statement. And then I 460 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:27,360 Speaker 2: think they enjoy to a certain extent all the noise 461 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 2: and drama that comes around that, but they also to 462 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 2: give them a chance to move on with their lives. 463 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 2: And so I think there's also a great relief too 464 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 2: when relationships are not good. It doesn't you don't have 465 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 2: to be famous for this, want you want it to 466 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 2: be done. There's a relief sometimes when it's over. And 467 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 2: so I found that. 468 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,439 Speaker 1: There's still a story there, there's a story and you 469 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: know what, that's what That's what keeps everyone relevant. Even 470 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 1: if you're not a celebrity, you always have to have 471 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: a story going on. Think about it as you listen 472 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 1: to this podcast with our guest Rob Shooter, think about 473 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,120 Speaker 1: where your story is right now. Friends, they're all talking 474 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: about you because of why you just broke up with someone, 475 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:05,679 Speaker 1: or you just made this incredible dinner the other night, 476 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 1: and other friends were pissed off they weren't invited. Whatever. 477 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: We all have stories. So even in a break up announcement, 478 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 1: that's a story. 479 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:12,400 Speaker 2: Everyone has a story. 480 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 1: It keeps your name up there. What about other crisis work, 481 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: I mean, people get into legal problem. 482 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I did, he during all his legal stuff. Naomi 483 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 2: Campbell hired me after she allegedly hit someone. Yeah, and 484 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 2: so I you know, the best thing to do is 485 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,360 Speaker 2: not to make it any worse for yourself. And this 486 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,679 Speaker 2: is a good lesson for all of us. When I 487 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 2: mess up, and I do a lot, you want to 488 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 2: apologize quickly, You want to take responsibility, and then you 489 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,360 Speaker 2: want to shut up. Ashley Simpson hired me after lip 490 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 2: syncing on SNL. That was a major thing, major because 491 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 2: her career was just exploding, and she went on Saturday 492 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 2: Night Live. It was her first live performance and it 493 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 2: did not go well, and so within a week she 494 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 2: hired me. And my best advice to her was, we 495 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 2: just put out a statement and then we move on. 496 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 2: We try and suck the oxygen out of the fire, 497 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 2: and we don't ever talk about it again. So you 498 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 2: will never hear Ashley say the S word. We don't 499 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,400 Speaker 2: talk about Saturday Night Live, and we play role play too. 500 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 2: Is a really good publicist? Your role play? So I'll 501 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 2: ask you questions like Ashley, you know that's terrible, what 502 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 2: happened on SNL? How are you doing? And we would 503 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 2: practice what the answer was going to be, and often too, 504 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 2: the answer isn't words, It's just the noise. H ah 505 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 2: See how long you can be on the phone with 506 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:38,199 Speaker 2: a friend and not speak. 507 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:43,159 Speaker 1: I can go hours? Hmm what really? 508 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:48,919 Speaker 2: And people are so uncomfortable with you would practice making noise, 509 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 2: grunting noises and if you don't want them to move on, 510 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 2: that's hilarious. I know what I charged the enormous about 511 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 2: a body that I'm so sorry everybody. 512 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: Okay, so you started in publicity and then you ended 513 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: up at Okay, magazine. Now, okay magazine always known for 514 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,120 Speaker 1: being a great, colorful way to find out what's going 515 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 1: on with celebrities. But for some reason, when you arrived 516 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: there as the executive editor, things blew up there. What 517 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 1: did you do with that magazine that caused such a stir. 518 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 2: When I arrived? It was not doing terribly well. It 519 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 2: was a enormous magazine in Britain. It still is. It's 520 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 2: like the People magazine of Britain. And then they launched 521 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 2: in America, assuming that their heritage, their name would just 522 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 2: attract an audience. He didn't you have to fight for 523 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 2: every sale here in America, And so they were very 524 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 2: celebrity friendly, which translated into dull. And so I changed 525 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:50,199 Speaker 2: it from being celebrity friendly to naughty but nice. And 526 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 2: that's how I came up with a phrase that's really 527 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 2: changed my life. We're not mean girls, We're not gonna 528 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,919 Speaker 2: we're not gonna punch you. We might pinch you, but 529 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,400 Speaker 2: we're cheeky. And I think you can tell a story 530 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 2: in a cheeky way that you might not like two 531 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 2: or three of the words in it, but overall you'll 532 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,679 Speaker 2: like it. And I've a beautiful picture of you your 533 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,880 Speaker 2: look glorious. The headline will be fine, but there might 534 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 2: be a few little things in the story that you're like, oh, 535 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 2: but that's what makes it interesting for readers. So we 536 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 2: just change the tone of the magazine. And I would 537 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 2: argue that's the most important thing to learning life. The 538 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 2: keys in the lock, you've just got to turn it. 539 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,920 Speaker 2: People throw out the baby with the bath water. Don't 540 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 2: do that. The magazine's doing okay. It's not a deact, literally, 541 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 2: it's okay, which is also a very weird name for 542 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 2: a magazine. I'm my magazine to be called amazing, fantastic. 543 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: You don't want ever. 544 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:44,439 Speaker 2: I'm okay, okay, And so you put a little bit 545 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 2: of fairy just on it. You make it a little 546 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 2: bit more exciting. You tell stories that people want to hear, 547 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,719 Speaker 2: and ultimately, the stories that do the best are stories 548 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 2: that we care about in our own lives. Breakups, relationships, babies, 549 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 2: all those major milestones in your personal life are also 550 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 2: true with magazines. They really sell well. So we just 551 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 2: changed the emphasis a little bit. We became naughty but nice, 552 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 2: and initially some of the celebrities were horrified by this, 553 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 2: but they came around. They saw we were not going 554 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 2: to take Dick's well, just. 555 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: Go back to that. Then some celebrities were horrified. You 556 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: had already you already knew what it was like being 557 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,919 Speaker 1: a publicist. Now you have publicists calling you at Okay 558 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: magazine saying, what the hell, why are you printing this 559 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 1: about my client? How did you work there? 560 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 2: Must have made it easy if Chesier, I could go 561 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,919 Speaker 2: in and I knew from my own clients, like often 562 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 2: it wasn't the text they cared about. It was the 563 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 2: picture Jailo. For instance, you got to do a beautiful 564 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 2: picture of Jailo and she might not read the story, 565 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 2: but she would see the picture. And so we always 566 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 2: packaged even the most smelly stories in a beautiful rose 567 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 2: rose fragrance ribbon, and so everything looked pretty. It smelled pretty, 568 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,640 Speaker 2: but if you read it, it also told the truth 569 00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 2: in a nice way. I can find nice stories there 570 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 2: when anybody you can just change the way you tell 571 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,439 Speaker 2: a story. When I tell stories of Britney spears, and 572 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 2: you know, there's some stuff there that isn't that pretty, 573 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 2: but you can tell it in a sympathetic way. And 574 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 2: so I always put things through the filter of optimism. 575 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 2: Lindsay lowhands somebody to where we're always like, we're always 576 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 2: rooting for her comeback, and so I don't take I 577 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 2: don't take the low road. And I think this is 578 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 2: a mistake certainly my friends make and I've made, is 579 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 2: that people think being mean makes them witty, makes them 580 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 2: oscar wild. It doesn't. It just makes you mean. If 581 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 2: you want to be Oscar wild, be interesting and nice. 582 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 2: That's really hard. It's really easy to be mean and witty. 583 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 2: It's so easy to get a laugh by being mean. 584 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 2: What's hard is to get a laugh by being nice. 585 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,360 Speaker 1: But you know what, being a publicist and also actually 586 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: rolling it into a career as an executive editor in 587 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: Okay magazine, that's a sales job. 588 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 2: Sales. 589 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 1: And you know what, if someone said to me today, Elvis, 590 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 1: you've got to go out and sell, so I would 591 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: get nervous and I would crack my pants. But you're 592 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: actually selling. You're selling, you're selling talent, you're selling looks, 593 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: you're selling this being. You're creating a monster, a great, wonderful, 594 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 1: glorious monster, out of someone who's just a normal human being. 595 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 2: And it goes back to what politicians do. This is 596 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 2: what I was meant to do. I'm really good at 597 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,439 Speaker 2: package and stuff. I'm not the greatest reporter, I'm not 598 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,199 Speaker 2: the greatest writer, but I know how to package. And 599 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,159 Speaker 2: that's what magazines do, that's what celebrities do, that's what 600 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 2: politicians do, that's what the greatest brands do. And that 601 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 2: led me to do my book. And the takeaway from 602 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 2: all those celebrities were that the most successful people I'd 603 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 2: ever met knew who they were, and the really super 604 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 2: successful ones knew who they were in just four words, 605 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 2: just four words? 606 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 1: You was just did you masterfully changed the conversation to 607 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 1: about your book. I was moving in a lot. You're 608 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 1: a master at this. Okay, let's talk about your book. 609 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 1: The four word answer. I love it, and you make 610 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: it seem easy. It's not as easy as you think. 611 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 1: I believe in correct me if I'm wrong, Rob. Your 612 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: philosophy is you should be able to succinctly describe you 613 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: and your talent in fowards. 614 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 2: Look in the mirror every morning and who are you? 615 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 2: In four words? I'm naughty, I'm nice, I'm smart, I'm important? 616 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 2: Are you kind? 617 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 1: Are you cheeky? Who are you? In four words? 618 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,719 Speaker 2: And every morning you remind yourself who am I, And 619 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 2: it's harder to lose. 620 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: Your way in life if you know who you are. 621 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: So talk about the journey through this book. It has 622 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 1: to be more than just that simple principle. Well, that's 623 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: the principle that holds the book together. And then what 624 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: I did is I took all the celebrities I worked with, 625 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 1: most of the celebrities I worked with, and I applied 626 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 1: it to them or I explain how they applied this 627 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: to their lives, and I came up with a word 628 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 1: for all these celebrities. I knew all four of their words, 629 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: and it's quite surprising, like one of the words for 630 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: Jennifer Lopez was kind. Now, a lot of people would 631 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: not assume Jennifer Lopez is kind, and I'm not making 632 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: the case that she is Florence night Gale. What I'm 633 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: saying is that her definition of kindness is something we 634 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: should all think about. Jennifer's kind to herself. She doesn't 635 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: call herself names, she doesn't beat herself up, She encourages herself. 636 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 1: And if we could all be kind to ourselves as 637 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 1: kind to ourselves as we would be to a best friend. 638 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: I say things to myself or I used to say 639 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 1: things to myself that I'd never say to a friend. 640 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 1: I'd never be that cruel to a friend, So why 641 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 1: the hell am I being that cruel to me? So 642 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 1: there's a whole chapter on kindness from Jessica Simpson. Jessica 643 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: was a really interesting one because Jessica taught me that 644 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 1: she's the smartest person in the world. She's as dumb 645 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 1: as a fox, you think, but she's got a billion 646 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: dollars to prove how smart she is. And what I 647 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 1: learned about smart is that the only thing that makes 648 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 1: she smart is the willingness to try. Jessica just kept trying. 649 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 2: She kept getting beat up, knocked down publicly, and she 650 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 2: got back up. Remember this, Really smart people fail all 651 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 2: the time, but they keep on going. So there's a 652 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 2: whole chapter I'm being smart? Did? He taught me how 653 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 2: to feel like I was important? If you think you 654 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 2: are important, you will invest in yourself. You'll invest in 655 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 2: what you eat, if you work out, you'll invest in 656 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 2: your education. And so it's very, very important to feel important. 657 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 1: Where do you see this moving for you next? Or 658 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 1: is it too premature to know? Or are you not 659 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: like a one year, five year, ten year plan. Guy 660 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 1: I mean you said earlier that all these things went 661 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 1: into play to move you to the next level, to 662 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 1: a next layer. Where do you think your next layer 663 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 1: could lie? 664 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 2: Or you're right. I didn't have options when I was younger, 665 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 2: so I just had to fall into whatever job came along. 666 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 2: And I'm grateful for the jobs I fell into. But 667 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 2: now I have a lot of options. Now I'm very successful. 668 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 2: But I thought about this a couple of nights ago. 669 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 2: If I was playing a game show and I could 670 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 2: gamble my life today, who I am for the billion dollars, 671 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 2: the million dollars, what I do? And I'd hit pause. 672 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 2: I'm really happy with this. I love my piece of 673 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 2: the pie. I've had opportunities that potentially could have led 674 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 2: to much greater success. I don't know if I want it. 675 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 2: I'm not that driven. I like this life. I don't 676 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 2: want it, and I know really famous people. I don't 677 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 2: want people taking my photograph when I'm drunk in a bar. 678 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 2: I don't want people chasing me around. I'm famous enough 679 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 2: that I can get a dinner reservation and maybe a 680 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 2: free isert particulate Forresco pie Scotts but delicious, But I 681 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 2: don't I don't need any more than that. I like 682 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 2: this life. I would hit pause right. 683 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 1: Now, but Rob, you know that when you hit pause, 684 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 1: that's when the opportunity is just don't they flow your way? 685 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 1: And this is all a pl of. 686 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 2: Yours, all a plot, but the nicest opportunity that came recently, 687 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 2: primarily through you too, so thank you was iHeart approached 688 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 2: me about doing a daily show. And so now every 689 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 2: morning I have a twenty minute gossip show celebrity show. 690 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 2: It's called Naughty but Nice and for twenty minutes, we 691 00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 2: do all the stories you want to know about it. 692 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 2: Because I do this for a living. It's not one 693 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 2: of those podcasts where we just talk about stories on 694 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 2: the internet. We break stories. We have news out there, 695 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 2: we push stories forward. We know what's going on with 696 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 2: Megan Mark, and we know what's going on with Liza. 697 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 2: I've been in those rooms where crisis happens and what's 698 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 2: going on inside her camp, and we talk about that 699 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 2: and it's become terribly successful and it's a joy to do, 700 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 2: and so that's my big big push at the moment. 701 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: It's fun. Well, Rob, this has been a wonderful time 702 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 1: we could spend together. I learned so much about you. 703 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 1: I thought I knew everything, but I didn't know. But 704 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 1: I will tell you this. I know you don't want 705 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 1: to be one of those people who has your picture 706 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 1: drunk in a bar. But guess what, I've got photos 707 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 1: of you drunk in a bar. But I'm drunk right 708 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: next to you, So that's right guilty together. So where 709 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 1: do you find Rob? You find them not a but 710 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 1: nice here on iHeart you also can pick up his 711 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 1: book The Four Word Answer. And where else are we finding? You? 712 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,239 Speaker 2: And I have a website called Naughty Gossip Each dare. 713 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,959 Speaker 2: There's about twenty of us. It's a really unusual business. 714 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 2: So I've basically given all my friends password to our 715 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 2: reporters or editors, and they just go on and post 716 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 2: their own stories. So where they see stuff out, they 717 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,920 Speaker 2: post stuff and it's updated all the time, and it's 718 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,360 Speaker 2: a great gig. I feel like a little mini sort 719 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 2: of company. It's amazing how responsible I've become sort of. 720 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 1: You've got lots of MutS going on, but don't be 721 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,919 Speaker 1: too responsible, and I know you know that that would 722 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,360 Speaker 1: be a big mistake, a mistake. I love you, Robshooter, 723 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:24,880 Speaker 1: I love you. 724 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 2: Thank you for allowing everybody to be deliciously odd, deliciously unusual. 725 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 2: And remember you're not a misfit when you're around other misfits. 726 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 2: Find your tribe. They are out there. I used to 727 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 2: didn't believe that I would ever fit in, and I 728 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:43,839 Speaker 2: found my people. I did find them. 729 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:49,839 Speaker 1: They do exist. Wasn't that fascinating? He is such a 730 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,840 Speaker 1: tremendous friend and a talented and very well connected gossip columnist. 731 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,759 Speaker 1: Many many years of Rob Shooter ahead. He's been our 732 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,919 Speaker 1: friends for over ten years, and it's I'm looking forward 733 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 1: to another ten years with them. Some great takeaways on 734 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,800 Speaker 1: how to embrace your unique identity. I love that part. 735 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 1: If you didn't hear it, go back and listen to it. Also, 736 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 1: Rob talked about how to stand out in a crowd. 737 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 1: We're so thankful for you stopping by. Rob, Thank you 738 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,920 Speaker 1: so much for chatting with us on this episode. All right, 739 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:16,359 Speaker 1: more to con We've got a lot of great guests 740 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 1: lined up. You're not going to want to miss them. 741 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,880 Speaker 1: Make sure you like, rate and review, and subscribe to 742 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 1: Thinking out Loud wherever you get your podcast, especially right 743 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 1: here at the iHeartRadio app. Until next time, Peace out, 744 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 1: everybody Thinking out Loud is hosted by me Elvis Duran. 745 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,440 Speaker 1: The podcast is produced and edited by Mike Coscarelli. Executive 746 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 1: producers are Andrew Paglsi and Katrina Norvel. Special thanks to 747 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 1: David Katz, Michael kind Heart, and Caitlin Madore. Thinking out 748 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 1: Loud is part of the Elvis Duran podcast Network on iHeartRadio. 749 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 1: For more, rate review and subscribe to our show and 750 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,839 Speaker 1: if you like this episode, tell your friends. Until next time, 751 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 1: I'm Elvis Duran.