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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody, It's Sam with two live show announcements. The

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Speaker 1: first one is that my dear and loving co host

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Speaker 1: George Severs is workshopping his new hour stand up in

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles on November twenty ninth at the Allisian Theater.

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Speaker 1: He has special guests Jamie Loftus and Nori Reid, and

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Speaker 1: tickets are available on the Allegian website. I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: going to be a damn good show if you ask me,

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Speaker 1: so get tickets to that. And the second one is

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Speaker 1: that you know, real fans know, I was in the

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Speaker 1: hospital and had to reschedule my Chicago Club comic, but

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Speaker 1: it has a new date, and that is December seventh,

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Speaker 1: still at the Color Club and still with Parker Callahan opening.

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Speaker 1: So I'm actually not sick anymore, and in fact, I'm

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Speaker 1: stronger than I've ever been, and in fact, it's scary

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Speaker 1: how many things I'm breaking in my home due to

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Speaker 1: my newfound strength. So tickets are available for that in

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Speaker 1: my bio and on the Color Club website. And so

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Speaker 1: if if you're in LA at the end of November,

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Speaker 1: go see George. And if you're in Chicago on December seventh,

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Speaker 1: come see me. And with that being said, I enjoy

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Speaker 1: the episode Sweethearts xoxo Sam. Podcast starts now what is

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Speaker 1: up everyone around the world?

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Speaker 2: And good morning even.

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Speaker 3: And the power dynamics have already been set because right

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Speaker 3: before we started recording. I don't even know if I

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Speaker 3: guess heard this. Sam said we were about to start recording,

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Speaker 3: and he goes, okay, we're ready. We're not going to

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Speaker 3: tap the table. Let's go because I tapped the table

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Speaker 3: last time, and you use the kindergarten teacher we to

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Speaker 3: refer to me in a sort of condescending.

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Speaker 2: Well, no, no, it was rather than.

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Speaker 3: I cannot I've never been spoken to in that tone

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Speaker 3: in my life.

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Speaker 2: Oh so you didn't even go to kindergarten.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, I actually skipped it. I took the SATs

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Speaker 3: early when I was six and skipped kindergarten.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's just I know this episode because we're

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Speaker 4: banking episodes will come out way, way, way after the fact. Sure,

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Speaker 4: but people have been furious about the tapping on the table.

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Speaker 3: Who has been furious about it?

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Speaker 2: I mean many of our top tier listeners.

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Speaker 3: Oh oh, the VIPs.

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Speaker 4: The VIPs are in the VIP section about to riot

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Speaker 4: because of the tapping on.

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Speaker 3: I have somehow you keep saying this, I have not

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Speaker 3: seen it.

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Speaker 4: Well, I wish I were as ignorant as here. I

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Speaker 4: wish I could be blissful in this way.

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Speaker 3: Listen. I don't really like to interact with our audience.

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Speaker 3: I like to think of myself as sort of like Liza,

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Speaker 3: and then they're blurry in the crowd. I can barely.

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Speaker 3: I don't respect them as people. Sure, I think they

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Speaker 3: are of a lower social status, of course than I am,

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Speaker 3: even though sort of on paper they probably make more

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Speaker 3: money than me.

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Speaker 2: Well you didn't. You didn't mention class sometimes.

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Speaker 3: Social statas and actually we need to bring back social

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Speaker 3: status detached from class because this day and age, I

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Speaker 3: was about to have the table. In this day and age,

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Speaker 3: the billionaire class is dictating the rules of culture when

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Speaker 3: we have oh tech CEOs green lighting television series anyone

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Speaker 3: anyone can pay. It's a pay to play a world, mama.

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Speaker 3: And I think we need to go back to poor

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Speaker 4: Of course, and I think we are pushing that agenda

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Speaker 4: for exactly.

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Speaker 3: And that's why I am writing Rent the musical.

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Speaker 4: Oh amazing, Yeah, congrats on that, by the way, So

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Speaker 4: we're recording in the morning.

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Speaker 3: Okay, And now I have to say that, you know,

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Speaker 3: I deserved your condescension because I did that to you last.

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Speaker 2: Night and you were actually doing that to me. Heart.

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Speaker 3: I was doing it too hard last night because I

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Speaker 3: was like, I'm so excited for our guests tomorrow morning.

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Speaker 3: It's you know, it's gonna be a great episode, and

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Speaker 3: you're like, yeah, but it's so early, and I my

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Speaker 3: instinct was truly I was like, Sam, it's ten am.

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Speaker 3: It is a normal time to do something. Please put

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Speaker 4: I found that to be so toxic, and I knew

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Speaker 4: so our whole thing is complaining, and then suddenly you're

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Speaker 4: I'm a good guy. And I was like, this is crazy.

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Speaker 4: We have built a relationship on sort of complaining about

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Speaker 3: Well, I do think when you complain about stuff, it's

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Speaker 3: actually so rare that we have differences that it's like

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Speaker 3: the narcissism of small differences.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.

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Speaker 3: A phrase I learned when I skipped kindergarten.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course.

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Speaker 3: It's like, because we are so similar in most ways,

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Speaker 3: when we have a difference. To me, it's like dramatic

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Speaker 3: wearing a white shirt and I'm wearing a blue shirt.

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Speaker 4: Well, especially with this thing, because you were like suddenly,

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Speaker 4: I was like, no, no, no, it's not like I won't. You

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Speaker 4: were like you get up at eight all the time,

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Speaker 4: and I was like, of course, that's not what I'm saying,

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Speaker 4: because that's what I can't.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's because because you were speaking, you were speaking

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Speaker 3: as though you're someone who like gets up at one

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Speaker 3: pm every day. I'm like, I get text from you

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Speaker 3: at eight am, Like you are a businessman, you are

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Speaker 3: collecting returns on your investments the first thing in the morning.

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Speaker 2: Of course, but having a light conversation.

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Speaker 3: See well yeah, I mean that's impossible.

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Speaker 2: I mean that's more difficult. Yeah, I guess you're right.

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Speaker 3: See, I mean this is our difference where like I

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Speaker 3: be asleep, sure morning. I'm like, well, I have my coffee.

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Speaker 3: It hasn't dawned on me that like the sort of

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Speaker 3: daily Uh. I was about to say sadness, but that's

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Speaker 3: not it. I'm actually a very happy person and really enjoyous, toxic,

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Speaker 3: but like the daily anxieties don't have not set in

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Speaker 3: and don't set in until lunch.

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Speaker 2: Okay, But if the daily anxiety is not set in,

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Speaker 2: what do you have to talk about?

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Speaker 3: I see what you're saying. That's where a personality comes

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Speaker 3: and that it's a double mind for sure.

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Speaker 4: Because this is my impression of the morning. It's sort

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Speaker 4: of like, so how do you sleep.

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Speaker 5: Well?

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Speaker 3: Morning is post quoital. Actually, anyone you talked to in

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Speaker 3: quital conversation.

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Speaker 2: It's most quital in a way.

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Speaker 4: That's also like, so when are we gonna separate and

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Speaker 4: go do our things for the day?

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Speaker 2: Yes, like right now.

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Speaker 4: It's like like I can't be like, so what do

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Speaker 4: you do today? Because it's like, well I commuted. It's like, oh, well,

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Speaker 4: how was the community?

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Speaker 3: True? And it's like good, well, you know, it's a

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Speaker 3: difference between daytime TV and late and the late night

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Speaker 3: talk show M and I won't explain.

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Speaker 2: No, please, I'm begging you.

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Speaker 3: No, I refuse And if you if you need more,

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Speaker 3: then you need to read a book for once. Wow.

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Speaker 3: You know, I actually had a topic I want to

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Speaker 2: Not try it, try it well.

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Speaker 3: I've just been sort of like, this is so, you know,

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Speaker 3: trend culture in a way that I don't like when

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Speaker 3: we address because I'm like, we're not like other gay guys.

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Speaker 2: I'm not to mention we're banking episodes.

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Speaker 3: Banking episode No, but it's not that kind of trend. Okay.

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Speaker 3: It's like when people say that I'm doing air quotes

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Speaker 3: for everyone listening. When people say that gen Z like

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Speaker 3: let them grow up and then we'll decide if they

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Speaker 2: No, I know what you mean.

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Speaker 4: It's there's a desperation to put a stamp on a generation.

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Speaker 3: It's like, what, so what are you about?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's like, okay, well you're eighteen, you have

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Speaker 4: no idea what's going on? So you're sex negative?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: And by the way, I lived in San Francisco. When

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Speaker 3: I'd be having the time in my life that's called growing.

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Speaker 4: Up, right, I mean literally, Yeah, I'm like rewriting history

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Speaker 2: In a huge slut till I was like twenty.

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Speaker 4: And even then it was a rolling admission, you know,

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Speaker 4: But I it does get complicated because everyone's on the internet. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: You hadn't seen I didn't know I was gay.

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Speaker 4: You wouldn't have run to Twitter and posted about it

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Speaker 3: Well, but this is the thing is like in this

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Speaker 3: sent to American horror story asylum, and the people who

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Speaker 4: One hundred percent. I mean, I actually find there's certain

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Speaker 4: this thing where they find the one really negative person

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Speaker 4: posting and are like, I can't believe I'm seeing people

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Speaker 3: Yes, And by the way, the implication there is like,

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Speaker 4: One hundred percent and also just like finding trying to

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Speaker 4: find an outlet for your mental illness essentially.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, and when we say mental illness, we meet

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Speaker 3: it as a stigma.

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Speaker 2: Of course, please stigmatize it.

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Speaker 3: Stigmatize that now more than ever, now more than ever.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, did you see someone called us out

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Speaker 3: for saying now more than ever is future oriented and

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Speaker 3: not past oriented. I'm wait, should we bring in our guests?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: So this guest, I mean talk about a guest that

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Speaker 3: to me, am like, I'm like talking, we've overused mother,

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Speaker 3: but I'm like this, this woman gave birth to me

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Speaker 3: in a hospital and it was not an easy birth.

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Speaker 2: This woman gave birth to the concept of giving birth.

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Speaker 3: It's actually like and it's I actually feel condescending and

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Speaker 3: insulting even saying it in those terms, because I'm like, well,

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Speaker 3: this isn't just some random person that gave birth. Okay,

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Speaker 3: so please welcome Drew DROGI.

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Speaker 5: Hi, y'all, what's it going good?

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Speaker 3: We need you to actually shepherd us into this conversation

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Speaker 3: about I mean, I'm.

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Speaker 5: Mothering his mother because she wasn't eating out for camp.

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Speaker 5: They did die.

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Speaker 5: It just went out. It is the most upsetting ending

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Speaker 5: Interesting And that's all I will say, because I don't

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Speaker 3: And you feel about Sondheim as well.

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Speaker 5: him wrote, my favorite, I mean, Sunny Prket George is

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Speaker 3: See to me with something like company, I'm like his

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Speaker 3: Sure you know what I mean. That's a very generous reading. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: interpreting something as queer that's not meant to be queer

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Speaker 3: or whatever, and sometimes that feels more I don't know,

439
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Speaker 3: generative or something.

440
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Speaker 5: Well, and I think it's very interesting dramatically to watch

441
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Speaker 5: a character go through that or not or like refuse

442
00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:58,199
Speaker 5: to do because we all have gone through that, we

443
00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,320
Speaker 5: all have been the things of like I'm not I

444
00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,640
Speaker 5: wasn't anything. I was just asexual. For so long until

445
00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:05,240
Speaker 5: I came out and I was like, I can't I

446
00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:08,560
Speaker 5: have rehearsal like that was my sex. So I find

447
00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,960
Speaker 5: that those characters very interesting total. But we put we

448
00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:16,320
Speaker 5: put these, We write these amazing female characters because we're

449
00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:21,240
Speaker 5: scared of writing men that have vulnerability and queerness in them,

450
00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:23,840
Speaker 5: and we make so we create Blench Dubois, or we

451
00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:27,040
Speaker 5: create Samantha on Sex and the City. We create these

452
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Speaker 5: over the top characters because we're more comfortable writing women,

453
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Speaker 5: and thank god we might. I love these women characters,

454
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Speaker 5: and I love when I sometimes get to play women.

455
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Speaker 5: I love playing women, and I love that we get

456
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Speaker 5: to sort of play between gender. But it's there's something about, like, uh,

457
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Speaker 5: I just hope that the next generation and they are

458
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Speaker 5: they're writing gay men that are complicated, that are messy,

459
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Speaker 5: that are not like heroes and perfect, and I don't

460
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Speaker 5: want to see another like coming out thing. But I

461
00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:58,960
Speaker 5: feel like it's just interesting that we don't. We don't always,

462
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Speaker 5: we don't always deal with that head on, and it's

463
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Speaker 5: it's fascinating me.

464
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Speaker 4: Well, now it's a good time to say last night

465
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Speaker 4: we saw Titanic and you were so incredible, just like a.

466
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Speaker 3: Pure, I said, finally some food. And every time you

467
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Speaker 3: were on stage, I was like smiling ear to ear. Oh,

468
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Speaker 3: I was truly like in Heaven on Molly in a Coachella.

469
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Speaker 5: Oh my god.

470
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Speaker 4: I also love watching you in the group like scenes

471
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Speaker 4: and just being like, what is he up to out there?

472
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Speaker 2: And it was so.

473
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Speaker 5: I don't make so much fun. It's a musical which

474
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Speaker 5: I do not sing or dance, and so it is

475
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Speaker 5: so scary going out every night slash so much fun.

476
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Speaker 5: But I play the one character that just gets to

477
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Speaker 5: scream and and it's why you can hear my voice

478
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Speaker 5: because it's so much screaming that I get to do.

479
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Speaker 5: But yes, it's a should we talk? It's a musical, yes,

480
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Speaker 5: Haardy of Titanic with the music of Celendion, and Celendion

481
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Speaker 5: is our narrator through the show. So the brilliant Jackie

482
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Speaker 5: Burns placed Sledion and just sort of basically tells you

483
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,360
Speaker 5: her version of Titanic. And and you play the mother.

484
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:08,119
Speaker 5: I'm the mother. I'm the Francis Fisher character, Ruth, who's

485
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Speaker 5: the Kate Winslet's mother.

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Speaker 3: I mean, something that always gets sweet is like a

487
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Speaker 3: character that's supposed to be like sort of you know,

488
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Speaker 3: you're supposed to be passive, aggressive, like that character is

489
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Speaker 3: not supposed to be, but then you are like, shut

490
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Speaker 3: the fuck up. Oh, I mean that is so fun?

491
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Speaker 3: Or like you literally your daughter the sea word.

492
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Speaker 5: Oh, I sure do. Every night I get to call

493
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Speaker 5: her that. I know. That's what I love about parody,

494
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Speaker 5: and it's something that, uh, the brilliant Jackie Bet said,

495
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Speaker 5: because we do a Golden Girls parody together in la

496
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Speaker 5: And Jackie said, with parody, you have to give people

497
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Speaker 5: what they think they remember, which I think is so

498
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Speaker 5: great because it's like, you know, I watched the movie

499
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Speaker 5: Titanic before I came here to do the show, and

500
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Speaker 5: of course i'd seen the movie at least twice. I

501
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Speaker 5: don't know. It's very long, not as long as the

502
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Speaker 5: new scriptase, but but it's long. And Francis Fisher is great,

503
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 5: but she's in a film and she barely does anything.

504
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Speaker 5: She barely talks over a whisper. She's just very cold

505
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 5: and stoic, and it kind of comes on and kind

506
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,400
Speaker 5: of gives side eye and it just doesn't really play.

507
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 5: You have to kind of go okay. I remember her

508
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,439
Speaker 5: being evil and awful, like a cartoon actually, and so

509
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Speaker 5: also when you put me in it and I have

510
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Speaker 5: a hat that's just two birds kissing on top of

511
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Speaker 5: my head. I can't just go out there and be

512
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Speaker 5: like and leave. It's like, why do I hear other

513
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 5: than she? Just cause major chaos. And and but everyone

514
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:39,919
Speaker 5: is heightened. I mean everyone is just you know, you know,

515
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 5: playing it at that level. I mean, Billy Zay in

516
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 5: the movie fully understands the assignment. I mean leaning into

517
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Speaker 5: a camp of it all. And I think we're all

518
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Speaker 5: kind of doing the Billy Zaine.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what we were both saying afterwards. It felt

520
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Speaker 4: really Billy Zaye. I'm feeling him throughout the text. So

521
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Speaker 4: this is amazing.

522
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Speaker 5: I did a Funnier Die video with Billy's aid many

523
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,239
Speaker 5: years ago, and he came in the door and then

524
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 5: he had he was in this trench coat looking amazing,

525
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 5: had all these bags with him and he had just

526
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 5: come in the airport and I was just trying to

527
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Speaker 5: make small talk and You're like, what are you going

528
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Speaker 5: to say? I remember saying like, I was like, oh,

529
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Speaker 5: to just you know, just come from the airport. He's

530
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Speaker 5: like yes, And I said where do you come up?

531
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Speaker 5: And he goes Bangkok and I'm like, of course you've

532
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Speaker 5: just come from Bangkok. Your Billy Zane's always just he's

533
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Speaker 5: always survived from Bangkok, like looking fabulous and like a

534
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Speaker 5: sable coat.

535
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like looking fabulous riding from Bangkok. But also

536
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Speaker 3: at the Funnier Die office.

537
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Speaker 4: There's something about the Funnier Die offices though, there was

538
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 4: like an era where they had pull like no one else.

539
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 5: Oh everybody wanted to do a Funnier Die video.

540
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Speaker 2: It was actually wild.

541
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Speaker 3: Remember I mean Marit did one.

542
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Speaker 2: I mean Mariah carried Yea. It was how are they

543
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Speaker 2: getting this?

544
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 3: I Funnier Die success.

545
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Speaker 5: So that's Brian safe That's the brilliance of Brian Safie,

546
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Speaker 5: who would just yes anyway.

547
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Speaker 3: But I think the sick excess of a Funnier Die

548
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 3: during the exact moment we were coming up made us

549
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 3: have like warped expectations for comedy success, you know what

550
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Speaker 3: I mean. I was like, oh so so literally comedies

551
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Speaker 3: is like what rock and roll was in the seventies,

552
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Speaker 3: and we are the new generation.

553
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Speaker 5: And then they're like, like, let's all join at the

554
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Speaker 5: same exactly. Well, it's like in the nineties when we

555
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 5: all started collecting comic books because we're like, oh, these

556
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 5: are going to be worth so much, and they're like, Nope,

557
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 5: they're not worth anything thirty some years.

558
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're sort of the Princess Dana Beanie Baby comedians.

559
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Speaker 4: Yeahs yes, and continues to open.

560
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Speaker 3: The Netflix documentary, which there's six dollars.

561
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Speaker 5: I know.

562
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Speaker 3: Wait, I want to get into First of all, I

563
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Speaker 3: want to get into Messy Way Gas, and then I

564
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 3: also want to get into our topic. But we should

565
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Speaker 3: do our first segment.

566
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Speaker 4: Yeah, we should do our first segment, like to, I

567
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,360
Speaker 4: would love to. Our first segment is called Trade Shooters,

568
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 4: and in this we will ask you a series of

569
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 4: rapid fire questions to gauge your familiarity with and complicity

570
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 4: in straight culture. It's basically this thing or this other thing,

571
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:09,120
Speaker 4: and you just pick one.

572
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 3: Okay, it's gonna make rules.

573
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Speaker 2: The only rules.

574
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Speaker 4: You can't ask a single follow up question, or we

575
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,640
Speaker 4: will scream at you to a degree where our voice

576
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 4: will be even worser than yours.

577
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Speaker 5: Ah, Okay, Okay, Sam take it away?

578
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 2: Okay. Playing the violin or playing the.

579
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Speaker 6: Victim, playing the victim lazy Sunday or busy Phillips lazy Sunday, okay,

580
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Speaker 6: having a discerning eye or having a concerning rash Oh,

581
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Speaker 6: having a discerning eye, winning an Emmy, or having a semi.

582
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Speaker 4: Having okay, the British pronunciation of non binnery or the

583
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 4: American salutation of hi, Hillary, Oh, I.

584
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Speaker 5: Like non binnery.

585
00:26:58,440 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 3: I love non binery.

586
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Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with on dinner.

587
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Speaker 3: I've never heard that I have either Okay, Jenny from

588
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 3: the Block or Jared from Subway, Jenny.

589
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 2: From the blo okay, a short shelf life or a

590
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 2: long twink death.

591
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 5: Oh, long twink death.

592
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 3: Okay, Bridesmaids by Kristen Wig or Biden's aids adjusting his wig.

593
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 5: I have no idea what that second thing is.

594
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 4: You don't know who Biden is, right, So I keep

595
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 4: hearing this.

596
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 3: He was VP under Obama.

597
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 5: Who was he in Bridesmaid.

598
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 3: Melissa mccarithikure, Oh, okay, yeah, he was amazing. He was

599
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 3: nominated for an Yeah, I was really moving, really a

600
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 3: great movie. Still during the fun your di of course.

601
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Speaker 2: Really, I'll never forget his series with funnier Die.

602
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 3: I mean, you joke, but we're almost there.

603
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 4: He's about to do I mean, you're so right the

604
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 4: way that for the next the next election cycle. Who

605
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 4: knows what media, what toxic toxic media will get made.

606
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 3: When I think about the twenty twenty four election, like,

607
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 3: it makes me so upset that I can't even joke

608
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 3: about it.

609
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 4: The way that he will be on podcasts that will

610
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 4: be made into reels is going to be oh crazy

611
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 4: for late.

612
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,239
Speaker 5: And it's like, are we going to do this all

613
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 5: over again like twenty twenty again? But we're just all

614
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 5: four years older and angrier.

615
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 3: And crazier the third time, Like Trump.

616
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 5: Really and will he be in jail when he's running?

617
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 5: I mean like, at what point are we doing? And

618
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 5: then and Biden again, really are we really going to

619
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 5: try to push this again?

620
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Speaker 3: Well, it's like FIRSTUS tragedy, then as far as then

621
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 3: what because it's a hard time, right, what is the

622
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 3: third thing?

623
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Speaker 2: We need a new cast?

624
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 5: We need we desperately need a new can.

625
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 3: We need a new season. We need to pull a ten.

626
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 2: And that's something that.

627
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Speaker 5: That I would say ninety eight percent of Americans would

628
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 5: agree on, you know what I mean likely talk about

629
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 5: like non binnery. We all feel that way, Like I

630
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 5: really do think that, and we're just all kind of

631
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 5: going Uh.

632
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, well we've created a world in which it actually

633
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 3: is only sort of insane people that want to go

634
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 3: into politics have ye really or like not even insane,

635
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 3: but just like cynical, slimy. Like the idea that anyone

636
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 3: could have any sort of authentic desire to do good

637
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 3: and then think the solution to that is to be

638
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 3: a politician is a fantasy.

639
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 2: It's complicated because like, well, somebody.

640
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 3: Has to do it. Samon and I were talking last

641
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 3: night about how when people talk about like some sort

642
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 3: of news event and they're like, it's not complicated, it's simple,

643
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 3: and you're like, thanks.

644
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 5: My thing. Now, Like when when I, you know, say

645
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 5: things and people go, oh, tell me how you really feel,

646
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 5: I'm like, I hope I always will. Like I hate that,

647
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 5: Like now that's like subtle shade. I'm like, aren't we

648
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 5: on this earth to find our truth and tell us

649
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 5: how we really feel? Versus like the South that I

650
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 5: grew up in, which is like don't don't have your feelings,

651
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 5: don't let anybody really know where you are. It's like

652
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 5: come on, yeah, but people don't. They just they just

653
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 5: they just grab onto phrases and they say things like

654
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 5: that they don't really know what they need.

655
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 2: Isn't that sad? Sometimes when I feel myself.

656
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 5: No worries, we've got me crazy.

657
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Speaker 2: I'm.

658
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 5: But no worries is when it wouldn't be a word.

659
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,479
Speaker 5: But like I hate when you walk in, I'll go,

660
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 5: I'll have one, I'll have I'll have a coffee. Oh,

661
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 5: no problem? Why would that be a problem? No worries?

662
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 5: And you're like, why would they be versus? Like can

663
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,959
Speaker 5: I sit outside? It's it's a little crowded in here.

664
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 5: That's when you say no worry, you know what I mean?

665
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 5: Like people just say things as knee jerk reaction things,

666
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 5: and it's the improviser writer in me that just gets

667
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 5: really like that, I just need to let go off

668
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 5: because that's so not sexy. No you word police, but

669
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 5: I really will be like what why would that be

670
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 5: a problem?

671
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 3: Yeah? Or when some random in terms of word policing,

672
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 3: when some random person posts like an engagement photo and

673
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 3: she's like with my forever guy, and my instinct is

674
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 3: to be like, that's not original. Shut up, she got engaged?

675
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 3: Why would she be a writer? Performer?

676
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 5: Well there's also that you like, she's when you're at

677
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 5: weddings speeches at weddings and like when the people get

678
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 5: up and you're like, cut at it. You didn't need show,

679
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 5: and we didn't.

680
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 2: I've heard it one hundred times sweetheart in.

681
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,719
Speaker 5: Your head, and I'm like, this is someone's wedding. I'm

682
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 5: not at a comedy show. I'm not I'm not giving,

683
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 5: I'm not directing a solo show. Right now.

684
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 4: It's tough because we can all world, yeah, we can

685
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 4: find ourselves like slipping into those little vocal things, and

686
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,719
Speaker 4: like it's hard to avoid them. When like a vocal

687
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 4: thing becomes like trendy, it's really hard to avoid because

688
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 4: even like I hear myself talking and it's sort of

689
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 4: like you know, saying like sweetheart after something, it's like

690
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 4: I didn't come by that naturally. That is a trend

691
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 4: that I am hopping on, and I'm like, well, but

692
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 4: right now it's still fun. Like I'm mostly being like, well,

693
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 4: I am going to hop on trends, and I just

694
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 4: have to trust myself that I'll hop off the trend

695
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 4: before it's too late.

696
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 3: Also, people have different pet peeves and sometimes you like

697
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 3: I used to say, it is what it is a lot,

698
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 3: And one time a friend of mine was like, God,

699
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 3: I hate when people say it is like, what does

700
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 3: that even mean? And I was like, oh god, Like

701
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 3: to me, it's just like sometimes you want to be

702
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 3: like oh oh right, right, right exactly, And I know

703
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 3: it's a cliche, but for whatever reason, it wasn't one

704
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 3: of those cliches that bothered me. And I was like, so,

705
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 3: how many times have you been like rolling your eyes

706
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 3: because I said, it is what it is.

707
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 5: I think also, we use excuses when we don't When

708
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 5: we like someone, they don't things don't bother us. Yeah,

709
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 5: when we don't like someone, we will find That's for me.

710
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 5: Social media is the perfect litmus test if I like

711
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 5: someone or not. If I like the person, I'll see

712
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 5: their posts with my forever guy and go, oh my god,

713
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 5: that is so sweet. And if I don't, I go, oh,

714
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 5: you're not a rich oh okay, Like it really is

715
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 5: like you know, I think, well, they're just certain reasons

716
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 5: that you can.

717
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 3: We'll talk about context. Literally, the context is your existing

718
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 3: alliances and rivalries.

719
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 5: Yeah.

720
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 4: No, if I like someone and they're being annoying, the

721
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 4: most loving thing I can do is just mute them.

722
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 4: That's how I know it's very because it's like I

723
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 4: just don't want to see your output. I want to

724
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 4: remember you as you.

725
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 5: I've had people that I guess with muting. They don't

726
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 5: know they've muted them, but when it sometimes I've literally

727
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 5: just unfriended people online and they get really upset and

728
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 5: I'm like, this isn't real. Like I really like you

729
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 5: in person, I just don't like what you put out

730
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 5: on and I and and if you must know, I

731
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 5: can't stand guess what.

732
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 3: I like you as a person. I don't want to

733
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 3: go into your bathroom.

734
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 5: And look at your shit that you just thank you.

735
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 3: I want to go out for coffee. Yeah, So if

736
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 3: you're interested in that, then we can talk.

737
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 5: You can absolutely talk. There's so man, people I really

738
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 5: like genuinely in person and online they are absolute monsters.

739
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 5: And then vice versa. They're the You're like I like

740
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:38,719
Speaker 5: you and I never want to hang out.

741
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 3: Oh of course, people that are funny on my line

742
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 3: and then you meet them and they're like unable to

743
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 3: hold e content.

744
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,479
Speaker 2: It's this person yeah, or like my favorite one.

745
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 4: They're like super super empathetic on the internet and being like, seriously, guys,

746
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 4: like now more than ever, we need to think about this.

747
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 4: And then you meet them in person, they're like the

748
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 4: rudest personal.

749
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 5: There of course. Well it's also you know, people play

750
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 5: the opposites like it's just an acting thing and the

751
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 5: life thing. You know. They tell you what they think,

752
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 5: they want you to think about themselves. Anytime a person

753
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 5: says I'm a good person red flag, yeah, you know,

754
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 5: it's like saying I'm really humble, I'm really intelligent and really.

755
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 3: Comedian, being like my job is to make people laugh.

756
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 5: You're like currently like dot dot dot.

757
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 3: Wait, I'm like, okay, I want to go into our topic.

758
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 3: I want to also touch on So you're here partly

759
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,399
Speaker 3: to do a reading of you here in New York,

760
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 3: partly to do reading every new play.

761
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, I've written a new play. I'm in the

762
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 5: process of writing and developing a new play called Messy

763
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 5: White Gays that we did readings this week and the

764
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 5: week before. But I'm hopefully going to do more. Okay,

765
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 5: you know throughout you know. But it's a it's a

766
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 5: take on Hitchcock's Rope. It's actually ripping off Hitchcock's rope.

767
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 5: Y'all know that movie rope. It opens with a murder.

768
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 5: It's a very queer Hitchcock made it in nineteen forty

769
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 5: eight with openly queer actors, and it's based on Leopold

770
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 5: and Low who were a gay couple in the twenties

771
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 5: who were very wealthy and gorgeous gay men who decided

772
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 5: to murder someone to see if they could get away

773
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 5: with it. And it was it weirdly parallels with fascism

774
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 5: and with this like having this ideal perfect body and

775
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 5: being gor and being like, we're wealthy and attractive and

776
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 5: no one will. We had no motive, so let's just

777
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 5: kill someone. So they did not get away with it.

778
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 5: So Rope was made. It was a play, and then

779
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 5: it was a movie. And I've been really fascinated in

780
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 5: white gay culture, with our obsession with how we look

781
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 5: and with the fact that you go to these parties

782
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 5: and there are no people of color at this party,

783
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 5: and it is maybe one that's like a token, you know,

784
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 5: and or if they maybe they fetishize that, but they

785
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 5: don't have friends that are that way. So I just

786
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 5: was sort of writing this play with sort of all

787
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 5: that in mind. And I wanted to write a play

788
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 5: in New York because my other plays have been in California.

789
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 5: So I wanted to write something that was that, and

790
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 5: so it's a basically it opens with a Threuttle murdering

791
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 5: two guys murdering their third stuffing the body and a

792
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 5: Jonathan Adler credenza and having brunch with a dead body

793
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 5: in the room. And it's just problematic, terrible gay white men,

794
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 5: and I feel like my other stuff, there's way more.

795
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 5: I know, there's way more heart. This is like a

796
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 5: pitch black. Oh I love no one is. No one

797
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 5: comes out of this play as a good person. And

798
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 5: that's the point I'm making kind of where we're at

799
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 5: as white people, that we all want to be the

800
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 5: good white person. And I'm like, what if we're None

801
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 5: of us are, and we can all just sit in

802
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 5: that for a minute and look at ourselves, hopefully for

803
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 5: ninety minutes. And as gay people, how we attach our

804
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:36,280
Speaker 5: otherness across all all the what the what that means

805
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 5: in terms of race and gender, sexuality, all of it

806
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 5: that we kind of miss things just by feeling like, well,

807
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 5: I'm gay. So I understand the experience of filling the

808
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 5: blank totally, and hopefully it's a comedy.

809
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 2: I love that well.

810
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 3: Sam. When I was talking last night about just this

811
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 3: non original health, but the specific experience of it as

812
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:57,919
Speaker 3: a white gay guy being like sort of being able

813
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 3: to move seamlessly between a pressor and a pressed however

814
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 3: you see fit. Yes, I talk about non bindery.

815
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 5: You are absolutely.

816
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 3: You're like, well, Tay, I've decided to be oppressed, absolutely,

817
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 3: so that tomorrow I sign the petition and then tomorrow

818
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 3: I'm going to fire my staff exactly.

819
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 5: Because I'm gonna be a white man at the DYEA

820
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 5: and I'm gonna choot when it is. And also like

821
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 5: what we post on social media, which is always like so,

822
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 5: you know, sanctimonious and on the right side of history,

823
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 5: and then going through the world, it's like, what are

824
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 5: we doing? You know what I mean? And not that

825
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 5: you have to be constantly and then sometimes some of

826
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 5: us are doing too much or we're performing too much

827
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 5: to try to be the good one and just how

828
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 5: we're And so that's why I called this messy, you know,

829
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 5: and I was called messy online times and and sort

830
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 5: of being like, oh, then let's just explore that and

831
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:47,959
Speaker 5: see what that's about, because I feel like we don't

832
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 5: look at that enough and I think where, yeah, I

833
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 5: think we have I know, we have a lot of

834
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 5: work to do, so yeah.

835
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 3: It's sort of the American Psycho of gay.

836
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 5: It's very I mean, I I did not realize until

837
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 5: I picked up American Psycho a few years ago and Mike,

838
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 5: everything I've written is a direct I mean, my Chloe

839
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 5: videos are literally ripping off Reddy Stone ellis from that.

840
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 5: The way that book was written. How there's there's just

841
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 5: these soulless lists, so you were wearing what we were

842
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 5: listening to. It's just like, oh, and that's how you're

843
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 5: describing an experience, like there's no emotion edit. And I

844
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 5: found that so fascinating and funny and just being like,

845
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 5: oh wow, that's so Yeah. So I've I've very much

846
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 5: been influenced by and talk about a problematic person who

847
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 5: I whose work I love, but who I.

848
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 3: You know, he's having a real resurgence now. People love.

849
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 5: His new book is wonderful. Wow the Shards it's wonderful. Yeah,

850
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 5: I real I just finished it. I loved it, and

851
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,760
Speaker 5: there is more heart and emotion and way more sex

852
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 5: like it is. He's definitely his gayest book for so yeah, Okay,

853
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 5: very long, but very good.

854
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 2: Huh. Well, should we get into our topic.

855
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I think it's time. I think it's time

856
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 3: that we've done forty eight minute introduction. So Drew, Yes,

857
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 3: we were brainstorming the topic before and you said this

858
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 3: one and we were like, perfect, it's such a perfect

859
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 3: strade lap topic. And so tell us what it is

860
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,280
Speaker 3: and maybe a little bit why you think it's straight.

861
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 5: Okay, I will talk about hunting. I had to go

862
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 5: hunting many times as a kid. Our family, we would

863
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 5: always go on Thanksgiving morning. I grew up in North Carolina.

864
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 5: This was This was always in South Carolina because my

865
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 5: grandparents in South Yea. But the Carolinas, we'll say, and

866
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 5: Thanksgiving morning was always it would be my memory. It

867
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 5: was like four am, but it was probably closer to six,

868
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:47,879
Speaker 5: I don't know, dark out, crying, begging not to go,

869
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 5: having to. It was always cold and wet, and I

870
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 5: did in the back of a truck with the dogs

871
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 5: that were these pointers, and we would bird hunt. We

872
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 5: would hunt for birds and quail and we would and

873
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 5: we would. I had these twelve gage shotguns that kicked

874
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 5: and they would hit the back of you, hit your shoulder.

875
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 5: It was horrible and it's like go kill birds that

876
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 5: these dogs, they find the bird and they point towards

877
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 5: the thing, and you shoot and kill these quail and

878
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,240
Speaker 5: then and they would freeze them. And then at Christmas

879
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 5: we would eat these birds. And sometimes you're biting in

880
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 5: the birds. And you were having like buckshot in the bike.

881
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 5: Oh god, And we were not. I mean, I know

882
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 5: that sounds like we were like middle class southern people.

883
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 5: It wasn't like this thing and we had to We

884
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 5: didn't have to do this. This was the nineteen eighties.

885
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 7: It wasn't like, yeah, back in the frontier as it

886
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 7: was giving eighteen hundreds.

887
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 5: Full And I think about that and how casually we

888
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 5: accepted that, and and the women all stayed home and

889
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,240
Speaker 5: made Thanksgiving dinner. And that's what I wanted to do obviously,

890
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 5: with like course, with my mom and the aunts and

891
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 5: the grandmothers, to be like, let's make stuffing and not

892
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 5: to that.

893
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 2: How old were you when you started doing this.

894
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 5: Good question? I want to say like seven or eight?

895
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 2: Oh my god, maybe really formative.

896
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 4: Yes, that is so scary to me. Yes, I remember

897
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 4: being like like, of course, the aesthetics of hunting I'm

898
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 4: obsessed with. I mean, a little orange vest the Camo.

899
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 3: Loves a camo.

900
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 4: I mean even walking through like the woods and and

901
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 4: sort of peering looking for something.

902
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 5: I love the woods like I love the outdoor. I

903
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 5: love going to the way. I love all that. I

904
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 5: don't have any sort of.

905
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 4: But then it comes down to pull the trigger and

906
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,760
Speaker 4: it's like whoa, now we're getting a little serious.

907
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 5: I will say I hate birds like I have no

908
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:42,280
Speaker 5: love for birds.

909
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 2: I fully agree. Actually I've always hated birds, and I've

910
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 2: never felt safe.

911
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 3: To talk about animals is so separate from me.

912
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,399
Speaker 2: Actually it's birds and fish. I actually don't need them.

913
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 5: I love eating them, Oh my god.

914
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 3: I love sushi.

915
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 5: Dogs and cats I love so much like any dog

916
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,879
Speaker 5: or cat that comes in my I don't care about

917
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 5: a people immediately when a dog or cat's involved, I

918
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 5: love them. And I can also feel like I've said, like,

919
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 5: I mean, rabbits and whatever. They're kind of they're cute,

920
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,240
Speaker 5: but they have no soul, but like, yeah, really care. Yeah,

921
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 5: but like even a pig, it's great, like you know

922
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 5: or whatever. You're like, oh, it's an animal, you know,

923
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 5: you get the thing. Birds are like they're dinosaurs. They're

924
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:31,280
Speaker 5: like loud, screechy, they're like fly, they're ugly, gross, pretty

925
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 5: to look at far away. Sure, but I still don't

926
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 5: want to kill one. Like there's something about like I

927
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,399
Speaker 5: don't feel the same connection. I mean, there'd be no way,

928
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 5: like I've never had to I've never killed a chicken.

929
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 5: I've never I've never had to kill like a I

930
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 5: guess the bird's a warm, budded animal. I guess it is.

931
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Wait, you can't science that.

932
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 5: I knew in fifth grade that I do not.

933
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 2: I hate when someone that's a question that's like, oh no,

934
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 2: now I have to answer.

935
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 3: Could I do long division?

936
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 5: Fully?

937
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 4: No?

938
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 5: And I used to be like so good at all

939
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 5: that stuff. There's no way I can do that. No, No,

940
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 5: But there was just something about what for me that

941
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 5: was the worst part was that it was it was

942
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 5: it was cold. I didn't enjoy the presence of men.

943
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,720
Speaker 5: I think about that when I was young. It again

944
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 5: talk about getting older and now loving the company of men.

945
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 5: But like we would go like and a lot of

946
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 5: it was also connected with church. Like we there was

947
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 5: a thing called Men of the Church breakfast that we

948
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 5: would have to go early. It was always also like

949
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 5: you'd lose sleep.

950
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 3: Man of the Church Breakfast is actually eating out five.

951
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 5: And we would get up early and it was like

952
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 5: all the men and like we would make this thing

953
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 5: called red eye gravy that was caught gravy made with

954
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 5: coffee and bacon grease. It was so disgusting. It's disgusting

955
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 5: at least in my memory of it. And country Ham,

956
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 5: which is so salty, you know, to grow and like

957
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 5: just these memories of like men together. But I think

958
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 5: it's where it's like I can find a straight man

959
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 5: attractive in theory, like in terms of like in films

960
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 5: that I watch, sure, but in life I'm really attracted

961
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 5: to gay men, like I really am. I'm very I

962
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 5: feel grateful for that thing where I'm not like, oh

963
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 5: my god, this straight guy, I'm really into him. There

964
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 5: are so few straight guys that I will really pine for,

965
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 5: and I wonder if I just I just was sort

966
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 5: of like I didn't feel connected to any of them,

967
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 5: and so like having to do that thing of hunting

968
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 5: or like men of the church, like why do the

969
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,240
Speaker 5: men have to go get together? And I just never

970
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 5: bonded with men in that way, and it's a straight

971
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 5: thing that I never connected. I love being at a

972
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 5: gay bar and I love doing this like I love,

973
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 5: but it's just it was something that I and I

974
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 5: always had a gay friend growing up. I moved around

975
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 5: a lot in the South, and I tracked back my

976
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 5: best friend. I'm still in touch with almost all of

977
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 5: my best friends, and we're all out men now. I

978
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 5: feel very lucky to have always found the one to

979
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 5: be like, let's go watch Alvira and talk about why

980
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 5: we liked that. And that's why I understood about being

981
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 5: gay before I knew I was gay, in the sense

982
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 5: of like, yeah, it was like, oh, this other soft

983
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 5: boy likes that, laughs at the same things that I

984
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 5: laugh at.

985
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

986
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 4: The real tell that I think it's really smart is

987
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 4: that like feeling disconnected from like the adult men. I

988
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 4: remember that so vividly, and even something as small as

989
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 4: like we're all watching the game and me being like,

990
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 4: like this does not speak to me in any form.

991
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 5: I don't I cannot get this in my brain.

992
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, And at that point it wasn't even like because

993
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 2: I love whatever else. It was just like something about

994
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 2: this does not speak to me fully, very confusing feeling.

995
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, So that was more the hunting thing versus the

996
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 5: like the like, yes, there's the violence attached to that too,

997
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 5: when you're having a gun and you're like, we never

998
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 5: really had guns in our house. I mean my grandfather

999
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 5: had shotguns that were like locked up, but that was

1000
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 5: a whole It was a very different thing. Like it

1001
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 5: was never a sense of like we were never like

1002
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:06,919
Speaker 5: a gun family or anything like that.

1003
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, we I went to my uncle lives in North

1004
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,280
Speaker 4: Carolina and we go there in a hosky.

1005
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 2: Do you know.

1006
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 4: It's like a very rural it's like an hour in

1007
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 4: from the coast.

1008
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 2: It's like farmland.

1009
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 4: Oh great, okay, And he lives on a farm there

1010
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 4: and he has guns and like we but he's very

1011
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 4: like sweet and calm and nice and not super like macho,

1012
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 4: but he like one time or like there was we

1013
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 4: started like trying to shoot the guns and being like

1014
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 4: like he was like, this is how you do it.

1015
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 4: This is and I was like, wait, this is actually

1016
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 4: so fun. There's something so toxic about shooting a gun.

1017
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 4: We were like, oh, I get it.

1018
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,320
Speaker 5: Oh I had it for a job. I had to.

1019
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:51,800
Speaker 5: I had to. We did a scene at a shooting

1020
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 5: range and I was so creeped out by it. But

1021
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 5: then I got there and you have the gun in

1022
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 5: your hand, and you're like, oh, this feels great.

1023
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 3: It's most obvious. Uh, sort of what's the word I'm

1024
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 3: looking for the most just like power, just like the

1025
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 3: most obvious embodiment of power, Like you literally have a gun,

1026
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 3: I could kill someone.

1027
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:15,839
Speaker 5: Right.

1028
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 3: It's like, okay, so for one day, I'm in the

1029
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 3: White House.

1030
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 5: Yes, I'm the captain.

1031
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 4: I'm the captain talk about it's something I wish that

1032
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 4: when I did, I would be like, yeah, that doesn't

1033
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 4: really speak to me.

1034
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 3: But it's so I was like, oh no, I don't understand.

1035
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:29,839
Speaker 5: Yeah, right now.

1036
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,959
Speaker 4: I understand why people go completely insane because then you're like, okay,

1037
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 4: so what if everyone had the power?

1038
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 3: Not good?

1039
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:36,280
Speaker 2: Well, no I don't want it.

1040
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 4: It's just like and then we yeah, we don't do

1041
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 4: it anymore because I was like, this is dangerous.

1042
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 2: It was trying to scare me.

1043
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 3: Yeah. So okay. Two things in terms of hunting. First

1044
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 3: of all, we said before we started recording hunting straight

1045
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 3: gathering queer, yes, which I think we.

1046
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 2: All stand beautiful, beautiful sentiment.

1047
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 3: Yes, it's truly incredible because.

1048
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 2: You get the woods, you get the wandering, but.

1049
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 3: It's gathering is curation.

1050
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 5: Curation, of course, and I have every play bill from

1051
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 5: every play I've ever seen since nineteen ninety one.

1052
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 3: Way literally this year, I was like, I bit the

1053
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 3: bullet and ordered a playbill binder on animal and I

1054
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 3: was like, really, I'm doing this like in my thirties,

1055
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 3: Like this's something that like a teen would do from

1056
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 3: like Ohio. But I was like, well, I'm doing it.

1057
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 2: Wow.

1058
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 3: And the Rainbow playable from when I saw Sarah Jessica

1059
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 3: Parker and Plaza Sweet is there?

1060
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 5: Oh, well, there you go. What a great pride play

1061
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 5: in credible Simon's Yeah, yeah, truly.

1062
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 3: And then the other thing is, Okay, this is sort

1063
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 3: of more unfinished thought. But I'm like, in our current era,

1064
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 3: where you are so alienated from any one that produces

1065
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 3: anything you eat, anything you consume, is there an argument

1066
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:53,280
Speaker 3: to be made that hunting is like more there's something

1067
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 3: there where you at least have you can at least

1068
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 3: track like, oh I ate this chicken that I killed,

1069
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 3: rather than like I exist in a completely disembodied, like

1070
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 3: virtual capitalist self that has no connection to the people

1071
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 3: that did any of the work. Right, Yeah, Like, is

1072
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 3: there should queer people reclaim hunting and be like in

1073
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 3: little booty Shorts going out and shooting birds.

1074
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 4: I mean with that argument, I think one hundred percent. Yes, yeah,

1075
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 4: Like to me, that is like duh.

1076
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 3: Because I'm like, of course, when you're describing this, I'm like, oh,

1077
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,359
Speaker 3: stupid straight guys like I would never want to do that.

1078
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 3: And then it's like okay, so then I'm going and

1079
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 3: buying like chicken tenders at Julius and who knows who

1080
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 3: made those who killed.

1081
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 5: Those chickens, like killed those chickens.

1082
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 4: Well, there is an element of the queer lifestyle. Yeah,

1083
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 4: that is that sort of metropolitan cut off.

1084
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 5: Well that's why I wrote the play that I wrote,

1085
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,800
Speaker 5: because I feel like that's what we do metaphorically.

1086
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's violence every Yeah, yeah.

1087
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 5: I'm disposing of you. We've already had sex and that's

1088
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 5: all I needed from you. I don't know, I you

1089
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 5: your DIMA, doesn't you know? Oh you don't know the

1090
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 5: current lingo. You don't know. Oh you're out? Like how

1091
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 5: how we we quickly dispose of each other? Yeah?

1092
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:10,240
Speaker 4: I yeah, there's something this what's good about this podcast

1093
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 4: is that we you know, we're not making a judgment.

1094
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 4: Call it straight is not better or worse than get Often,

1095
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 4: like the hunting thing is actually I'm like, oh, they're right,

1096
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 4: that's actually better. In fact, I remember when I was

1097
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 4: like like in college and starting to cook my own food,

1098
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 4: and I was like, okay, I'm cooking like chicken, and

1099
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 4: then I was like so grossed out, and I was

1100
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:33,800
Speaker 4: like this is disgusting, and and like I a friend

1101
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 4: was like, well, it's pretty hypocritical that you think it's

1102
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 4: gross when you cook it, and then like high chicken

1103
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 4: somewhere else, and I was like, you're right, and so

1104
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 4: I like stopped eating meat for many years. But then

1105
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 4: like at some point I was just like, you know what,

1106
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna embrace the hypocrisy, right right, And that's

1107
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 4: why I became fully comfortable in my gay self talking

1108
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 4: about white gig.

1109
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 3: I mean, embracing the hypocrisy is literally what we're all about. Yes,

1110
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 3: I acknowledge it, and acknowledge going to be like actually

1111
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 3: holding a sign of private says pro hypocrisy, Like there

1112
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 3: is a way in which now it's like comforubll circle

1113
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 3: people like I'm unapologetically myself and it's like, well, you're

1114
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:12,280
Speaker 3: a CEO of a company that kills people, but sure.

1115
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 5: That's sure, but please but go pop off.

1116
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope you're having fun of Dua lipa.

1117
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 2: I mean, as we say into iHeartRadio.

1118
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 3: Please, they've never done anything ethical.

1119
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:31,240
Speaker 5: I don't look at things.

1120
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 3: I don't look at talk about like the tagline of

1121
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 3: gay men, like, oh, I don't look at that. You

1122
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 3: have this line and I'm gonna really butcher it. But

1123
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,240
Speaker 3: it's in bright colors and bold patterns where your character

1124
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 3: says something like, well, it's like it's both bad and

1125
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 3: or like I both hate it and love it. It's

1126
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 3: cold being gay? What is it? What's them?

1127
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,359
Speaker 5: And I'll try to remember it too. We celebrate things

1128
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 5: and make fun of them at the same time. That's

1129
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 5: called gay. Yeah, and yeah, that's what I when I

1130
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 5: try to explain camp to people who don't get it,

1131
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 5: it's like, no, we love show girls. We're laughing at

1132
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 5: it and we love it, you know. And I think

1133
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 5: it's that thing where with gay, like we celebrate, we

1134
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 5: love women, and we also love to see, like we

1135
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 5: identify with these women who have these like tragic story.

1136
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 5: We laugh, but we also sympathize. And it's very hard,

1137
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 5: I think for people to understand that thing of like

1138
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:33,399
Speaker 5: are you laughing at this or with it? And I'm

1139
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 5: like there's an element of both that I think is

1140
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:37,919
Speaker 5: very specifically queer.

1141
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 3: I sort of think we in a weird way we

1142
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 3: do that with like with straight culture. On this sure

1143
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,879
Speaker 3: we are not like, yes, we are making fun of it,

1144
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 3: but we are also there's always this sort of like

1145
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,359
Speaker 3: we'll be like, well, they got a point, Like you know, the.

1146
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 5: Show wouldn't work if it was just like let's let's

1147
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 5: just bag on this thing, and like, yeah, it's not

1148
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:59,879
Speaker 5: interesting to me to just sort of again to just say, well,

1149
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 5: the way I think and the way I am is

1150
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:03,839
Speaker 5: the right way and these other people are wrong. It's

1151
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 5: like way more interesting to look at the complexity and go,

1152
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:10,319
Speaker 5: oh wow, that actually is a thing that maybe we

1153
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 5: could learn from or totally understand.

1154
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know how to fix it.

1155
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 4: The way to fix it is literally like still have

1156
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 4: that be like Okay, some people are going to stay

1157
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 4: and cook dinner and some people are going to go hunt.

1158
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 4: You just get to pick, Like it's right. As long

1159
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 4: as you get to pick, it's that's completely ethical.

1160
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 5: Well I think that's what It's also like what we're

1161
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 5: allowing kids to do now a little bit more like

1162
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 5: what would what do you want to do. You know,

1163
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 5: I think my my brother and sister in law are

1164
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 5: raising their kids in this really interesting way of basically

1165
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 5: being like they're just listening to them and being like

1166
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,439
Speaker 5: what do you and not like letting them take over

1167
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 5: and write running things, but just really sort of like

1168
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 5: that sort of sort of thing about like and maybe

1169
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,359
Speaker 5: you want to hunt this year and cook food next year,

1170
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 5: and then hunt again the next year. I mean, like,

1171
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 5: you know, like figure out who you are through the

1172
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 5: whole thing. You don't have to be one or the other.

1173
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,800
Speaker 5: It's you know, because I think that's that's a healthy

1174
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 5: way of going going.

1175
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, hunting and gathering is actually not a binary no. Yeah, yeah,

1176
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 3: And I regret what I said earlier and it was hateful.

1177
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:08,359
Speaker 2: It was really.

1178
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 5: Hateful, problematic. You can email address composed, non community, very

1179
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 5: non binnery miiddle too.

1180
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 3: Wow.

1181
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, this is I mean, this is such a

1182
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 4: productive episode.

1183
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 3: Intellectually, I love it. Spiritually I love it.

1184
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:27,879
Speaker 5: In the morning and everything, I mean we're talking about

1185
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 5: a mornings. I feel like sometimes in the mornings i'm

1186
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 5: the most so I'm still maybe still dreaming a little bit,

1187
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 5: and I'm gonna have a lot of thoughts late afternoon

1188
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 5: for me is when I have literally no say activity.

1189
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 3: Because then at night you're like, well, time to go

1190
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 3: out on the town.

1191
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 5: Exactly.

1192
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 3: I am Mimi and Rent.

1193
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 5: I'm lighting that snicker bar on fire to be warm

1194
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 5: from my heroine shakes or whatever, and I'm getting ready

1195
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 5: to go sing about every night.

1196
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:56,839
Speaker 4: Podcasting, it's tough when we get into a theater riff

1197
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 4: because I'm like, I'll just wait it out.

1198
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 3: Oh no, all you have to know is that she

1199
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 3: says I want to go tonight.

1200
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 2: Okay, so she's going. So she's going at.

1201
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 3: The cat Scratch Club that's where I work. I dance.

1202
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:14,359
Speaker 5: Oh my god, I didn't even remember that part of Yeah, yeah,

1203
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 5: all right, it's okay, it's fine, it's fine.

1204
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 3: Sam. How did you feel about all the theater references

1205
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:20,799
Speaker 3: in Tue last night?

1206
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 2: It was one of those things.

1207
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 4: It kind of put me back into a childlike state,

1208
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 4: because you know when you hear people reference stuff and

1209
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 4: everyone laughs.

1210
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 2: And you go.

1211
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 4: And you don't really know, but you like understand that

1212
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 4: this is where I laugh now. And so I was like,

1213
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,879
Speaker 4: I'm sure that makes sense, and I'm so beautiful. It's

1214
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:39,959
Speaker 4: so beautiful that to some people that makes sense.

1215
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 5: I'm sure that makes sense. And I'm so beautiful.

1216
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:54,760
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I'm so beautiful.

1217
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 3: I mean, that's march. I'm so beautiful along with I

1218
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 3: don't see things I don't see well, damn well, drew.

1219
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 3: Any final thoughts on hunting.

1220
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:18,839
Speaker 5: Hey, do it if it's birds? I mean, don't absolutely,

1221
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 5: cam'ra not even getting into like game hunting like like

1222
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:25,879
Speaker 5: like you know, lines, tires and bears. Oh god, ever

1223
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 5: discussing horrifying and yeah, I mean I feel like it's

1224
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 5: it gets like you know, follow your bliss, you know.

1225
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:36,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have a hunting final thought, which is maybe

1226
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 4: a tangent that we don't even need.

1227
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 2: But this is what I'm thinking about I hunting.

1228
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 4: Okay, the process of like shooting an animal feels very

1229
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 4: similar to me, as like the process of like waxing

1230
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 4: your like ears and nose where I'm sort of like,

1231
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,760
Speaker 4: but how does it work, like the bullet going through

1232
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 4: a body?

1233
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 2: I'm like, it's incredible, hear me out.

1234
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 5: This makes sense and I'm so beautiful.

1235
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 2: No, this makes I top the table. Do you hear that?

1236
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 5: Oh?

1237
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 4: But it's like I like, physically I don't like I

1238
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 4: cannot imagine how like.

1239
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 3: Like where the death happens at well, yes, and like

1240
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 3: so this is a broader, a broader issue you have with.

1241
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 4: Do you have that thing where not even death, but

1242
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 4: like physics where it's like a bullet going through, Like but.

1243
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 2: How how does it?

1244
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 4: It can just push through the same way like when

1245
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 4: you pull a wax out. It's like, so it doesn't

1246
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 4: get you don't just get stuck there.

1247
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, okay here all right.

1248
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 2: I'm like, so that's where like it's hard for me.

1249
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 2: I can't imagine it working. Well.

1250
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 3: I sort of think what is trip? What is? Maybe

1251
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 3: the issue is just the violence, like it is because

1252
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 3: of you, there is violence happening, and actually the you're

1253
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 3: almost alienated from the violence because all you're doing is

1254
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 3: pulling a trigger. It's like having the nuclear codes pressing

1255
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 3: a button and then people die. Like all your is

1256
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 3: pulling a trigger, right, and then this entire this animal

1257
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 3: is is being tortured. But that's many feet away from you,

1258
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 3: is it? Maybe? But then that does that's not it

1259
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 3: doesn't connect to the wax thing is like.

1260
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 5: It's just the is the science the science?

1261
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're literally just like how does it work?

1262
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 2: I'm literally like but how does it work? Like, I'm like,

1263
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 2: so enough speed happens that you can through.

1264
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 3: Some slow motion videos where they should an apple and then.

1265
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 2: I've seen it. I still don't get it.

1266
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 3: I still don't get it.

1267
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 2: My brain cannot make sense to it totally.

1268
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 5: But it's like shot like a there's a lot of

1269
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 5: a lot of like little beads that go out at

1270
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 5: once and one and like a twelve gauge like it's

1271
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 5: a it's a.

1272
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:40,959
Speaker 2: But how does one.

1273
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 5: It's just fast. It's fast, and it rips apart their

1274
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:46,959
Speaker 5: vatscular system in the same way that.

1275
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 3: Like if you have if there is some I don't know,

1276
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 3: if you have like something soft and you put your

1277
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 3: finger through it, it goes through it.

1278
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 4: Okay, everyone's screaming at me. It's not the same as

1279
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:57,439
Speaker 4: that something soft is soft. That's why it goes through.

1280
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 4: The soft things are part liquid, so it goes through.

1281
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 4: I guess I'm glad I went on this tangent.

1282
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 3: Actually to be clear.

1283
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 2: You know, another one of these things is that doesn't

1284
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 2: make sense to me.

1285
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 4: So someone like a skateboarder, like I'm on a half pipe,

1286
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 4: let's say, dropping in. I've never under like I have

1287
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 4: done this but I'm still like, but how does it work?

1288
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 4: I don't see how you don't like fault putting the

1289
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 4: board down and riding down.

1290
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 2: I'm like, how do you not fall forward?

1291
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 3: Oh?

1292
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 5: I would? I would fall forward? Like I think that.

1293
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 5: It's like many people don't. No, I know, but that's

1294
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:38,919
Speaker 5: something I'll never understand here, Like I know, I will

1295
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 5: be like I have a hard enough time walking through

1296
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 5: this world, like I can't imagine how that sort of works.

1297
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 2: I just mean there's something about I think.

1298
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 3: Don't get me started on surfing. I would fall forward.

1299
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 2: Surfing actually makes complete sense.

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00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 3: You are insane.

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Speaker 5: It is riding.

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Speaker 3: I cannot belave it. I'm trying to yes and you

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00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 3: after your insane tangent and you're like, no, that's wrong.

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01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 2: Well, no one's hearing me. Actually that's the issue. I'm

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01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 2: feeling very unheard.

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01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 3: Maybe I need to we decide. There's a new type

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01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 3: of yes standing called yes girling, where you just when

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01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 3: someone does something that you like, you're just you're just like, good.

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Speaker 2: Job, you don't add anything else.

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01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 3: Maybe I just need the yes girl you rather than yes.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Okay. I'll find a way to make sense

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Speaker 4: of this. I'll write a big, say.

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Speaker 3: You, guys, I sort of think people listening. There are

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01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 3: people listening that are so on your wavelength. Yeah, and

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01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 3: right now you can't see them because they haven't listened

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01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 3: to it yet. And we're gonna get comments that are like,

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01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 3: I know exactly what I'm talking about. Drew and George

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01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 3: are so why can't they get it through their.

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01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 5: They're going to say it's not complicated, it's simple, Yeah exactly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, should we do our final segment?

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01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 2: I think we should, so, Drew.

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Speaker 3: Our final segment is called shout outs. In this segment,

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01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 3: we pay homage to the classic straight tradition of the

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01:00:56,840 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 3: radio shout out. So think like TRL thing Z one

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01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 3: hundred morning zoo. You are shouting at something that you

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01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 3: like to your squad back home, and in the in

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01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 3: the spirit of a shout out, we make them up

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01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 3: on the spot, so we never prepare. Yeah, at a time,

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Speaker 3: I think I thought of one.

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01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 4: I have one too, Okay, go what is up freaks, losers,

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01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 4: and most importantly, perverts around the globe.

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Speaker 2: I want to give.

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01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 4: A huge shout out to stop making sense.

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01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 2: I watched this movie.

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01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 4: Of course, everyone's like it's the best, It's so good

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01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 4: and I was like, yeah, but it's still just a

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01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 4: concert that was filmed.

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01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 2: How can it be good. I watched this.

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01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 4: Movie in a theater and I was in heaven. I

1341
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 4: was sleepy on this day. I was sort of in

1342
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 4: a bad mood, which is not that rare, but this

1343
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 4: mood was there and I was like, okay, whatever, let's

1344
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 4: go see it. And then afterwards I was shaking. I

1345
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 4: was like, I have never felt so moved. I was like,

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01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 4: this is my favorite movie. I could not believe it.

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01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 2: It's one of those things.

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01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 4: It reminded me of like kind of seeing like Madonna's

1349
01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 4: Truth or Dare where I was like, oh, the puzzle

1350
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 4: piece that was missing is now there, and now I

1351
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 4: understand like a huge swath of culture in a way

1352
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 4: that makes me feel free.

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01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 2: David Byrne is a genius.

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Speaker 4: The whole thing was so fun, so simple, so amazing,

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01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 4: and the things when it's.

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01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 2: Described, you're like, yeah, I get it, I get it.

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01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 5: I get it.

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01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 4: Then you see it and you're like, I had no

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01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 4: idea it could be this good. Stop Making Sense. Wow,

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01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 4: you changed my life. Xoxo Sam.

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01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 3: Wow. We had an aborted idea that we would watch

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01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 3: Stop Making Sense and the Era's tour into a special

1363
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 3: episode about the Oh, but then neither of us wanted

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01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:39,440
Speaker 3: to watch the eras tour so long have huge Ferao interest.

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01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 5: I'm not a fan. Yeah, that's the opposite of a swifty.

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01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:45,600
Speaker 3: We have decided we're pioneering a movement called being neutral

1367
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 3: about Taylor Shift. We're not no energy, I'm not, We're not.

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01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 3: I'm not a hater. I just I'm neutral.

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01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 5: I don't know a lot to be a hater. I

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01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 5: just it's so whiny and I can't say it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, now, what's up everybody back home? I want

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Speaker 3: to give a shout out to this is a complicated one.

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01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 3: I want to give a shout out to listening to

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01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 3: a song as if for the first time and making

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01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 3: the conscious decision that you're gonna listen to it as

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01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 3: if for the first time. Is this song you have

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01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 3: heard many times before. You know the lyrics, but you

1378
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 3: have stopped paying attention to them because you're so ingrained

1379
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 3: in you This with Not About Love by Fiona Apple,

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01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 3: and I googled the lyrics and read them while I

1381
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 3: was listening to the song. This is a song I've

1382
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 3: learned to many times the way I was moved as

1383
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 3: though I was thirteen again being introduced to music, the

1384
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 3: concept of music for the first time is actually shocking,

1385
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 3: to the point where then I had dinner with a

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01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 3: friend and made her do it with me and google

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01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 3: the lyrics again and made her read them and be moved,

1388
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 3: and she was also moved. So maybe let's a good

1389
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 3: entry one for people if they want to google Not

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01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 3: about Love by Fiona Apple. But it can really work

1391
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 3: with any song, even Anti Hero by Taylor Swift. So

1392
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:47,520
Speaker 3: just go out there. Make the conscious decision. Your brain

1393
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 3: is so powerful, you are in charge of your own destiny.

1394
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:51,720
Speaker 3: Make the concious decision that you're going to listen to

1395
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:53,680
Speaker 3: a song as if for the first time. I repeat,

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01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 3: as if for the first time. Okay, you guys, goodbye woo.

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01:03:57,760 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 4: I mean I'm reading the joone gentide alarm on you

1398
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:00,919
Speaker 4: about telling yourself a story.

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Speaker 3: Have you ever done that?

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01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:04,120
Speaker 2: No?

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01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a new thing. I invented what the j No,

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01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 3: just like blessing or something, has it for the first time?

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01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:12,560
Speaker 5: I love that. I love that idea. I was thinking, like,

1404
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 5: what if I heard groove is in the Heart? Yeah,

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01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 5: for the very first time? Yeah, like trying to really

1406
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 5: like scrub all memory exactly.

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01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:23,320
Speaker 3: Cultural It's like, what if you literally did that. Here's

1408
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 3: what's harder doing that with literally like a song like Journey,

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01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:30,680
Speaker 3: a song that it is so cliche so everywhere, and

1410
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 3: you're like, what if I heard this for the first time,

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01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 3: I would actually probably love it.

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01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's an amazing goal. I do feel. Yeah,

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01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:42,080
Speaker 4: the closest I have to that is that when I

1414
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:44,880
Speaker 4: listened to something that like came out the year before

1415
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 4: at the same time it came out, I can almost

1416
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:49,919
Speaker 4: feel like I did in that moment it came out.

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01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:52,479
Speaker 4: And that's always an exciting feeling where I'm like, wow,

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01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 4: I'm taken back exactly to that moment.

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01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:56,840
Speaker 3: It's also such a classic like stoned thing, Like I

1420
01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:58,240
Speaker 3: feel like that is what it's like to be a

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01:04:58,280 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 3: stone where you're like.

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01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:02,360
Speaker 5: So, now I understand what this is and I'm hearing

1423
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 5: every every moment, I know what that meant by this,

1424
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 5: and I get this and I'm so.

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01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 3: I guess my recommendation is like, act like you're stoned

1426
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 3: even when you're not.

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01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:13,919
Speaker 2: Put that on a kids stone or honestly, yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 7: Well, Drew, when you're ready, Uh, what's up you fuckos

1429
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 7: and weirdos and sluts and assholes out there.

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01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 5: I don't know if we can cuss on here. I'm

1431
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 5: not sure. I just want to give a shout out

1432
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 5: to all the kids being Polly and Pan and everything

1433
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:34,440
Speaker 5: right now. I love it. I think it's awesome. I

1434
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 5: know I'd love to you know, I was trying to

1435
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 5: think of something. I'm like, oh, we're still striking. Hopefully

1436
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:40,440
Speaker 5: by the time you hear this, we're not going to

1437
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 5: be We can talk about movies and TV and what's

1438
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:45,520
Speaker 5: happening in the world. But what I love what's happening

1439
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 5: is like going out and like talking to I go

1440
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 5: to a local ball, local watering hole, and a straight

1441
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:54,520
Speaker 5: bartender is like telling me about having sex with a

1442
01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 5: man that he kind of didn't really like one really

1443
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 5: his thing. And I was like, in my twenties, that

1444
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 5: would ever be a conversation I would ever have. And

1445
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 5: I love that you're exploring your figure out who you are.

1446
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:08,480
Speaker 5: We should all be so open and and weird and

1447
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 5: and and messy and in the in the you know,

1448
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 5: in the nonminary of it all. So hell, yeah, keep

1449
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 5: exploring and keep loving and and finding out what you like.

1450
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 5: And kind of don't like that's also cool.

1451
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:25,600
Speaker 4: Woo wow wow beautiful. I mean, what an incredible up.

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01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 4: Thanks so much for doing it.

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01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 5: Thank you so much for having me all. This is

1454
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 5: so much fun.

1455
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:31,640
Speaker 3: Andrew. What are things you can promote that you're allowed

1456
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 3: to messy white Gaze? Which sure?

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01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, which, well that I hopefully will be a production.

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01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:40,560
Speaker 5: I'm like still working on that. So yes, I can

1459
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:42,920
Speaker 5: talk about Titanique, which is you know, anything that's like,

1460
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 5: you know, a theater we can talk about that's at

1461
01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 5: the Daryl Roth Theater that's running through the middle of June.

1462
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 5: I'm not sure how long I'll be in it, but

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01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 5: at least through the end of the year.

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01:06:52,200 --> 01:07:01,040
Speaker 3: Amazing. Yeah, yeah, well, well thanks, thank you Drew.

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01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 5: This my god, this is so much fun.

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Speaker 2: Alright bye