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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to George Nori with doctor Lourie Nadell.

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Speaker 2: Laurie tell us about the horse that rejected your advice.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so the horse said, yes, didn't didn't want reiki.

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Speaker 3: I don't know you go away. And my friend just

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Speaker 3: started laughing and she said, oh, that sounds just like Lizzie.

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Speaker 3: She knew that that was an authentic response from her horse.

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Speaker 2: She knew her horse.

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Speaker 3: She knew her horse, and the horse was very, very blunt.

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Speaker 3: I guess is the word I would I would use.

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Speaker 3: I had another experience with a horse. Uh. My publisher

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Speaker 3: of HCI Books published my last book, The Five Gifts,

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Speaker 3: and I was talking to him. He owns a number

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Speaker 3: of race horses, and I asked him if if there

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Speaker 3: were any horses that might want to receive he might

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Speaker 3: want to receive reiki, and he gave me the name

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Speaker 3: of one of his horses that had one a couple

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Speaker 3: of big purses. But ever since then, the horse would

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Speaker 3: start off okay. In about a third of the way

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Speaker 3: around the track, the horse would stop and just walk off,

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Speaker 3: just walk off the track, just just stop and walk away,

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Speaker 3: and the jockeys could not get this horse to complete

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Speaker 3: running around the track. So I started offering reiki, and

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Speaker 3: the horse showed me that there was something going on

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Speaker 3: with his peripheral vision and that it was very difficult

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Speaker 3: for him to tell to manage distance perception, so he

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Speaker 3: couldn't tell how close or how far away the other

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Speaker 3: horses were when he came around the curve, and that

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Speaker 3: it was disorienting for him, and so he had to stop.

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Speaker 3: And he said he was very disappointed in himself. That

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Speaker 3: he would keep trying, and so I passed that information

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Speaker 3: on and I said, I don't know if there's any

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Speaker 3: way you can you know, there are are optalmologists for horses.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how they could possibly check for that

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Speaker 3: or test that. But my boss, you know, my publisher,

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Speaker 3: said well, you know, keep trying, and I would communicate

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Speaker 3: with I would offer raiki to to the horse unionizer

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Speaker 3: and union izer. I kept saying, I really want to

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Speaker 3: you know, I really want to run, and I really

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Speaker 3: want to race. I really want to win again. And

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Speaker 3: I watched him one day after he had told me

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Speaker 3: he was really ready to go race, and a third

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Speaker 3: was sitting in an OTV parlor and about a third

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Speaker 3: of the way around the third of the way around

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Speaker 3: the track, the horse he just stopped and he walked off,

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Speaker 3: and that's yeah. And so at that point my boss

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Speaker 3: called me and he said, listen, you need to tell

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Speaker 3: this horse. He said that he needs we we we've

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Speaker 3: invested a lot in him, and we need him to

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Speaker 3: be a leader, uh in a inspire the other horses,

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Speaker 3: the younger horses, And you need to tell him that.

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Speaker 3: And I couldn't exactly say to him that that's you know,

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Speaker 3: I'd want to be rude and say, hey, that's not.

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Speaker 3: My job is to offer the horse reiki, and the

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Speaker 3: horse can accept it or not accept it. And if

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Speaker 3: if I'm blessed by having the horse trust me enough

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Speaker 3: to give me information or impressions, then I'm happy to

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Speaker 3: pass on that message. But when I sat with Unionizer

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Speaker 3: again one one or two more times, she said, I

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Speaker 3: really feel like a failure. I'm so disappointed. I need

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Speaker 3: I need to retire. I can't do this anymore. And

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Speaker 3: the last time I checked in with my boss he

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Speaker 3: said that, in fact, they had decided to retire Unionizer.

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Speaker 3: And so he's now I think there he's they have

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Speaker 3: him in a different, different part of the pasture, but

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Speaker 3: they do. They have kept him, and I think they're

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Speaker 3: they're using him for breeding, but he he doesn't. He's

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Speaker 3: not racing anymore. But see, what I found interesting was

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Speaker 3: that the horse was telling me that he knew something

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Speaker 3: knew that he would feel disoriented, you know that the noise.

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Speaker 3: And I don't know if you've ever had a peripheral

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Speaker 3: So I could really empathize with you know, what the

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Speaker 3: it's a very hard thing to diagnose and it's a

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Speaker 3: very hard thing to treat. But the horse was telling

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Speaker 3: me exactly what he was experiencing and emotionally as well

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Speaker 3: as physically, and it was very what can I say,

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Speaker 3: It was very frustrating for me, me that I wasn't

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Speaker 3: able to offer him reiki that was going to fix

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Speaker 3: the situation. It was also very frustrating for me that

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Speaker 3: to give give his horse instructions. I mean, that's not

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Speaker 3: something that reiki is designed to do. And where do

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Speaker 3: I think it's my place to tell, you know, anyone,

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Speaker 3: whether it's a person or whether it's an animal, what

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Speaker 3: I think is best for them, and the school of

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Speaker 3: reiki that I'm trained in.

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Speaker 2: If you did, every racetrack would have you there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, Unfortunately or fortunately unfortunately for or fortunately for

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Speaker 3: the horses. They know better than we do, and as

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Speaker 3: all animals know better than we do, what they need

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Speaker 3: in order to heal. And that's the real gift of this.

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Speaker 3: It's called a let animals lead a method of reiki

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Speaker 3: because the animal has to uh the animal Animalimals know.

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Speaker 3: Animals know when they're getting ready to pass, Animals know

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Speaker 3: when they're going to UH, when they're when they're getting

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Speaker 3: to the end of their journey. Animals are very sensitive

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Speaker 3: to what we're going through, and they they they don't

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Speaker 3: need us to fix to fix them. I guess that's

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Speaker 3: what I'm trying to say. You know, they don't. They

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Speaker 3: don't need a reiki practitioner like myself to sit down

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Speaker 3: and say, Okay, now I'm going to send Lizzie the

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Speaker 3: horse reiki because her human wants me to fix her

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Speaker 3: and send her reiki. Doesn't work that way. And I

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Speaker 3: think the beauty of this particular approach is that an

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Speaker 3: has the right to make the choice to either say yes,

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Speaker 3: I want to move towards this unconditional kindness and stillness

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Speaker 3: that's being offered to me, or I'm not in the mood,

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Speaker 3: or I don't think this is going to doesn't feel

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Speaker 2: My grandmother used to own cats, Lori Oh, and it

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Speaker 2: seems like whenever they got to an older age nineteen

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Speaker 2: to die, they would take off, they would escape, they

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Speaker 3: Well, I think that cats are basically wild animals that

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Speaker 2: It was remarkable. To be sure, what is the let

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Speaker 3: Let Animals Lead method was developed, I guess I know

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Speaker 3: the words that it's not invented, but it was of

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Speaker 3: a It evolved from the work that a young reiki

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Speaker 3: animal reiki practitioner had been doing with animals. Her name

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Speaker 3: is Kathleen Pursad. She's based in California, and she has

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Speaker 3: our job as reggie practitioners is to again to sit

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Speaker 3: thinking of them with that unconditional kindness can really be remarkable.

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Speaker 2: And you've done a lot of work in the area

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Speaker 2: of precognitive dreams too, haven't you, Yes, I have tell

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Speaker 3: Precognitive dreams? I started having them when I was about

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Speaker 2: Who did this study.

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Speaker 3: first controlled studies of ESP they did studies on precognitive dreams,

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Speaker 3: and they found that so many of us have them,

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Speaker 3: And of course we don't know until the event in

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Speaker 3: two weeks. Usually, I've had dreams about things that were

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Speaker 3: the first precognitive dream I had was about a pet.

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Speaker 3: I had a pet parakeet, and in this dream, the

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Speaker 3: And a few days later, my grandparents were bringing my

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Speaker 3: I don't know whether I was more upset, you know,

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Speaker 3: of course I was horrified that the bird was dead.

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Speaker 3: But what absolutely completely freaked me out was the fact

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Speaker 3: that I had dreamt that exact scene a few nights earlier.

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Speaker 2: There you go, Gary for a child, Absolutely, but it

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Speaker 3: And then when I went on to write my book

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Speaker 3: sixth Cents Or, we have several chapters on dreaming and

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Speaker 3: precognitive dreaming because I think that, you know, very often

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Speaker 3: it gets we get shamed for it, or it gets

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Speaker 3: that wasn't really a precondite. You know, you couldn't possibly

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Speaker 3: a dream. It doesn't really matter. Dreams are very important,

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Speaker 3: you know. We spend so much of our life asleep,

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Speaker 3: and we receive all kinds of messages and dreams, both

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Speaker 3: from our inner self and from spirits, from entities, from animals,

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Speaker 3: and from higher beings. Many people have guides and angels

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Speaker 2: They are powerful, aren't they absolutely?

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Speaker 3: And I think it's really important, you know, to a

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Speaker 2: Why are some people better dreamers than others?

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Speaker 3: You know, I certainly think that it's genetic. I really

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Speaker 2: Laurie, what is your take on the collective consciousness?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's funny you should ask that. I think our

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Speaker 3: have a good well, obviously, I'm not the only one

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Speaker 2: Right absolutely. Oh and it's dramatic. To be sure. We're

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Speaker 2: going to take calls next hour with Lori Nadell, and

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Speaker 2: her websites are linked up at Coast tocoasdam dot com.

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Speaker 2: She's got one especially for the animals called animal Reiki

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Speaker 2: planet dot com and you can text her a picture

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: What is the most gratifying aspect of working with animals

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Speaker 3: I feel it's a privilege to be for an animal

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Speaker 3: So that's really the great, great gift and the great lesson.

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