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Speaker 1: The Dallas Cowboys Select by Rand Joe and now your

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Speaker 1: hosts Dane Brugler, David Hellman and Brian brought us. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's day two from the Indianapolis Combine two thousand and

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Speaker 1: David Hellman from Dallas Cowboys dot Com and Dan Turner

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Speaker 1: Dave you back in the mix. Thanks for letting me back. Brian, No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna get Wally. No, you no problem at all. Man.

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Speaker 1: And I encourage everybody as always who go to Dallas

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Speaker 1: Cowboys dot Com and get all that content. I know

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Speaker 1: Dave has been writing a lot of things, some stories

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Speaker 1: about some of the guys we've seen. We're still trying

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Speaker 1: to meander our way to this field behind us here, Yeah, tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: I was thinking, Lineman, we're going today. That just shows

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Speaker 1: you old man syndrome right there. I was just conditioned that, Okay,

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Speaker 1: they come in, they talk, they go work out, but

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Speaker 1: we will have the offensive lineman and the running backs

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Speaker 1: working out tomorrow. You get the bench brus today did

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Speaker 1: get to be something. Yeah, and we'll talk about that

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Speaker 1: because I do want to talk about Yeah, I got

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Speaker 1: something to say. Yeah, yeah for you okay, and and

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Speaker 1: and yeah the kickers, Yeah, that's something that when you

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Speaker 1: got Dan Bailey and I know we're a full service

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Speaker 1: show here. Wait, but I thought we wanted to investigate

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Speaker 1: and education. Yeahs over the kicker kickers, we're just gonna

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Speaker 1: go on. Don't want to Bailey for the Dallas Cowboys

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Speaker 1: is a great kicker. I want to talk, but I

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Speaker 1: want I do want to get into something because Dane earlier,

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Speaker 1: and we'll get into this later, but it's about this

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Speaker 1: bench press. And you talk to some scouts. It felt

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Speaker 1: like that if you got rid of the bench press,

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Speaker 1: that hey, nobody would miss that. So well, we'll have

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Speaker 1: some fun with some numbers. I know we've got him

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Speaker 1: in front of us. Some guys did lift some guys

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Speaker 1: didn't lift. We had some running backs come through today,

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Speaker 1: We had some tight ends come through today, but more importantly,

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Speaker 1: we had some quarterbacks come through today, with the exception

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Speaker 1: of one quarterback. Yeah, he's kind of disappointing. Yeah, pack

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Speaker 1: him blew it off. Yeah, Paxton Lynch, my favorite quarterback

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Speaker 1: here in the NFL draft who everybody likes to fight

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Speaker 1: me on. Just not he didn't decide that he didn't

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Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott same thing. We would have got him yesterday,

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Speaker 1: but then he didn't go until almost the end of

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Speaker 1: the day to day he did. And I want to

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about uh, you know, first get

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Speaker 1: into the quarter backs today and and I just want

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Speaker 1: it's we're not going to see This is just part

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Speaker 1: Were they agitated? Uh? Did anybody stand out from that group? Again,

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Speaker 1: as as far as the first round type guys, you know,

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Speaker 1: they did in one big one. What do you mean

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Speaker 1: for the Cardel Jones? Oh you're sorry. I'm just gonna

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Speaker 1: keep pounding only Yeah, with two hundred fifty seven pounds.

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Speaker 1: I'll take his four pounds because I need it, right guy?

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Speaker 1: But yeah, the I was gonna talk about it. You

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Speaker 1: just just the thoughts of the quarterbacks that went through today.

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Speaker 1: And it doesn't have to be about uh, you know

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Speaker 1: first guy saw was Christian Hackenburg and he was seriously impressive.

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Speaker 1: But now we see Teddy Bridgewater play double gloves. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: It's just another puzzle piece, uh, you know, in order

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Speaker 1: break him as a player, but it's just another puzzle

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Speaker 1: have moving forward. Cocky or irritated today, I don't. I didn't.

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Speaker 1: And it was a little contentious there when we were

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Speaker 1: or whatever. You know, how did that help research grow

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Speaker 1: from that? Right or whatever? He said? And Goff went right,

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't actually mind a quarter about being

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489
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Speaker 1: looking for help at wide receiver. Speaking of Bruce Arians

490
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Speaker 1: when we were off the air, you have any mid

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Speaker 1: round John Brown type, deceptively fast, maybe undersized, may be

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Speaker 1: lesser profile wide receivers that pique your interest. Interesting? Do

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Speaker 1: you think maybe cold Colby Listen B. Maybe Colby Listen

494
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Speaker 1: B would be a good guy. He's gonna run very well,

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Speaker 1: I believe here. But the problem with him when you

496
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Speaker 1: watch him play, I see a really a vertical player

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Speaker 1: quick right, He's yeah, he's you know he is more

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Speaker 1: of a vertical guy. Is stretch of defense? Um, you know,

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Speaker 1: ideally maybe a number four to start off. A guy

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Speaker 1: that interested me quite a bit is Jalen Marshall from

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Speaker 1: Ohio State, a red shirt soft came out earlier. Uh.

502
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Speaker 1: There's a lot of ability there. Uh. And it's it's

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Speaker 1: it's still in the development phase. You know, he's still

504
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Speaker 1: kind of realizing how good he can be. I wish

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Speaker 1: you would have went back to school for another year

506
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Speaker 1: at Ohio State to you know, continue his development. But

507
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Speaker 1: there is something there. He can also be a punt returner.

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Speaker 1: So I think Jaylen Marshall, you know, when you get

509
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Speaker 1: into the fourth, fifth round, he could be an option. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's go ahead. Danny Well first of all, shouts out

511
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Speaker 1: to the sorry because he's one of my Australian friends.

512
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Speaker 1: He's very good from down Under, but he's not exactly

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Speaker 1: the fastest play. But a guy who I really like

514
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Speaker 1: from this year is DeMarcus As. He's from Houston. Okay, yeah,

515
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Speaker 1: he he had two drops last year. He had quality production.

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Speaker 1: He's probably the best punt returner in this class, or

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Speaker 1: maybe maybe he's up there at least, and he can

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519
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Speaker 1: I don't think he's much of an outside guy. But

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Speaker 1: if you just want someone who will make the roster

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Speaker 1: take reverses as well. And I gave him a seventh round.

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Speaker 1: I was not as sold on airs. Yeah, you're absolutely

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Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. But I think he's time about speed though.

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Speaker 1: Right we're struggling right now to fine. I'm looking at

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Speaker 1: my board too, and I'm starting to think maybe you

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Speaker 1: would have to go a little bit earlier that, you know,

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Speaker 1: that's in this year's second and third round. You know,

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Speaker 1: that's the sweet spot for the receivers this year. So

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Speaker 1: you know, if thirty four of a Corey Coleman's there,

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Speaker 1: or you know, you look in the early third round,

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Speaker 1: you know, is that when you start to think about,

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Speaker 1: you know, maybe a Will Fuller or Rashid Higgins Hollywood

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Speaker 1: who grew up a Cowboys fan. I'm a big believer

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Speaker 1: in Higgins, so he could he could be there in

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Speaker 1: the third round. I'd like that when a guy to me,

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Speaker 1: he was a first round talent, but we'll probably fall

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Speaker 1: to the mid rounds and he's get Marcus Robinson Florida. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I heard him speak today and in fairness to him,

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Speaker 1: he sounded really accountable. He called himself selfish and immature.

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Speaker 1: Guess yeah, immature. He'll probably fall down to third or

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Speaker 1: fourth round, but this is this is the first round

548
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Speaker 1: talent with the ball in hand. I mean, yeah, he

549
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: said that he looked up to Odell Beckham junior, and

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Speaker 1: there's there's a certain part of it. There's a certain

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Speaker 1: part of that which you see just in terms of

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Speaker 1: the physicality with ball in hand and the way he

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Speaker 1: can jink through tacklers and he can't be a bit

554
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: of a body catcher at times, but he sort of

555
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Speaker 1: gets away with it by coming back for the ball well,

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Speaker 1: so he can really shake at the top of his

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Speaker 1: routes and get open as well. So that's another guy

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Speaker 1: who I would be interested in as long as the

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Speaker 1: interviews check out in the background check and that's his

560
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Speaker 1: interviews are as important to his draft, I guess anyone

561
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Speaker 1: anyone here because he is a first round talent. He's

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Speaker 1: a future NFL starter. But I mean I've I've talked

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Speaker 1: to some scouts about him and the work the board. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: the words selfish in the books the board you know

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Speaker 1: hasn't been put up yet for these Yeah, exactly, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would have heard essentially selfish, Uh, you know, doesn't care,

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Speaker 1: doesn't pay attention to detail, can't get out of his

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Speaker 1: own way. I mean, these are the kind of things

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Speaker 1: that have come up. And he was very contrite during

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Speaker 1: the interview today. Um, and he has to be very

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Speaker 1: convincing during interviews with teams because he does have four suspensions, yeah, um,

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Speaker 1: and that three of those are for for marijuana. The

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Speaker 1: other one was because he met with a marketing lady

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Speaker 1: who was trying to, you know, kind of woo him

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Speaker 1: in terms of, you know, signing some stuff and all that.

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00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 1: But immensely talented, but yeah, bad decisions. Again. We go

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Speaker 1: back to value, because that's what the draft. Number one

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00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 1: in the draft is evaluation. Number two is valuation and

579
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Speaker 1: figuring out where do you take a player like this.

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Speaker 1: You can't take him in the first round, but you know,

581
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Speaker 1: where do you feel comfortable with a guy with his baggage? Okay,

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Speaker 1: David good segue Dan because deco suave love that name.

583
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Speaker 1: Wants to know and we've talked about this guy how

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Speaker 1: you know, a lot of questions about where he fits, effort,

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00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: all that good stuff. Kim DJ realistic to think that

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Speaker 1: he's there at thirty four and would you take him there?

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Speaker 1: I think it's realistic. I mean it's something where it's

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Speaker 1: not just the off field with him. There's legitimate questions

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Speaker 1: about how much does he love football? You know, how

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Speaker 1: hard is he going to work to be the best

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Speaker 1: that he could be? Because the talent and I've said

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Speaker 1: this before. He's a top ten talent in this class,

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Speaker 1: just not a top ten football player. And you know

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Speaker 1: Willie work at it to be the best that he

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Speaker 1: possibly can be, because you watch his flashes on film

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Speaker 1: and oh my goodness, you'd love to have this player

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Speaker 1: in your football team. It's just not consistent. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I know when it comes to like Joey Bosa, you know,

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Speaker 1: I say, don't pay attention to the sac numbers. All

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Speaker 1: that can be overrated. It with Kimdici, he only had

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Speaker 1: seven sacks and like thirty four starts, and you know

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Speaker 1: it's the same thing. He impacted the game a lot

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00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: more than what the box score says. On the move. Yeah,

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00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: but at the same time, you just expected more out

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Speaker 1: of him, you know, on his tape. So so harken

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Speaker 1: back to what you and uh Dan we're getting into

607
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Speaker 1: about Hackenburg. Though it is thirty four too rich to

608
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Speaker 1: take that, I mean, you're talking about a freak athlete.

609
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: I mean, he really is a freak. I think I

610
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Speaker 1: would rich enough personally, as long as the interviews check out,

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Speaker 1: I would take a chance on him at thirty four.

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Speaker 1: I think he's going to be on my board somewhere

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00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: in the twenties. Um, I think someone one of those

614
00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: playoff teams are going to take a chance on this kid.

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00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: I think think you know Denver, you know, like they

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Speaker 1: did with Shane Ray last year. You know, one of

617
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: these teams will take a chance. But how do you think?

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Speaker 1: What do you think? Dan? Interestingly, two months ago I

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Speaker 1: predicted that Kim d would be the Cowboys pick at

620
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Speaker 1: thirty four, and I'm actually sticking with that now just

621
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Speaker 1: because I mean, maybe maybe the Randy Gregory suspension just

622
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: changes that changes that dynamic slightly. But good point. But

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Speaker 1: to me, with Kim D, if you don't look at

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Speaker 1: the stats, if you don't if you don't see the

625
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Speaker 1: off field concerns, if if all you're literally doing is

626
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: watching tape, I mean, this guy's a top ten talent.

627
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Speaker 1: The fact he I mean he explodes off the ball

628
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: and it's I guess you can't really I can't really

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Speaker 1: stress that word enough, Like he literally explodes off and

630
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: against reach blocks you're not gonna be able to reach ye, Yeah,

631
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Speaker 1: he can, he can hit the gap movie all right.

632
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Speaker 1: The think about it is, so they've focus in there

633
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Speaker 1: on they paid a lot of money to Tyren Crawford

634
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Speaker 1: to play a three techn That's a great point. This

635
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: is a three technique player. I mean him and him

636
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Speaker 1: and you know in him and Rankin's two of the

637
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: best three techniques in this job. I think you can

638
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: kick him outside. He can play it. Yeah, I mean

639
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: you know he can do whatever you want. I mean

640
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: play at the right end first, I mean he could well,

641
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: I can play both. He can provide you versatility to

642
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: play anywhere on the defensive line because of his ability

643
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: because burst off the ball. Don't you always I mean,

644
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: don't we always say that Rod Marinelli is just about

645
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: waves of guys. I mean I don't sure. Also, if

646
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: you if you're taking him at thirty four, I don't

647
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: have the numbers in front of me, But that's not

648
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: an expensive contract in the grand scheme of things. You know,

649
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: I don't care if I'm paying my number two three technique.

650
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: All right, let me ask you this then real quick.

651
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: I'll play Devil's advocate here, though. Would you would you

652
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: rather have him him as the backup to say Crawford

653
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: swing guy or not swing guy but rotational player, or

654
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: have a guy that's a better one technique than Nick

655
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: Hayden at thirty four, I would rather have I'm just

656
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: I would rather have the ladder, Yes, I would. I

657
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:55,959
Speaker 1: think it depends on your board, you know. I mean,

658
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: who do you have? Is a guy like a bill

659
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: take your yeah, okay, Billings is there? Yeah, And I

660
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: think it just comes down to who you think is

661
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: a better player. U. I think for me it's close

662
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: on my board. I think I have both Candici and

663
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: Billings closely rated. I think personally i'd go for the

664
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: higher potential with Candici. You know, I'd full the dice there.

665
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 1: But you know, I think it with these defensive tackles

666
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: we talked about it, some are going to fall into

667
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: that early second round and you might have a tough

668
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: decision to make. He'll never say this on the record,

669
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: but can't you just imagine Jason Garrett being like, yeah,

670
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: we're getting a boy Scout this year. Yeah, I want

671
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: I want another Byron gem I don't want to deal

672
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: with this again. I can talking about at thirty four,

673
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: at four, any of the well, definitely at four, certainly

674
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: at four, but even yeah, thirty four, sixty seven. I

675
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: think these premium picks. Let's I want to share thing

676
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: I want a guy that I don't have to worry about.

677
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: There's yeah, what do you have Billings? In my scenario

678
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: when I was talking about three or a one? Not

679
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: not not what he's playing, but would you take the

680
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: three or would you take the one? And what you

681
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: know about the Dallas Cowboys, it's actually really close to me.

682
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: But I guess I'd probably need to see a bit

683
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: more from Billings as a pass rusher because at the moment,

684
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: I don't really think he's gonna be there on third down,

685
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: whereas in kem D. Kim d is going to be

686
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: there every single third down from me, and he's gonna

687
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: be rushing the passes. So I'm probably gonna take kem

688
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: Dcha in this scenario, but he could change over the

689
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: over the next couple of months. I need to watch

690
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,719
Speaker 1: them again and just kick and then kick Crawford over

691
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: to the one and the way you go in the

692
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: Nickels situations. Okay, if Keith wants to know if the

693
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: Cowboys miss out or don't draft Jalen Ramsey at four

694
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: again going back cornerbacks and safeties, that that makes sense

695
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: in the thirty four range. I think people are tired

696
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: of the number four talk. We're moving on to the

697
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: later rounds, right, which is good. Yeah. I think that's

698
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: when you talk about maybe William Jackson from Houston, UM

699
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: other corners and that I lie apple if he if

700
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: he I don't think he made out of the first

701
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: but if he does, I'm just saying that he'd be

702
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: definitely someone to consider. I think Kendall he's not going

703
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: to make it out of Kendall Fuller. From now, I'm

704
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: thinking about the course. Well, how about Okay, let's and

705
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: people they hate when I say this, but what about

706
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 1: the Rashad Robertson kid from LSU isn't too too rich? Yeah,

707
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: Homer like, guy's a train wreck. I'm sorry, I'm really

708
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,399
Speaker 1: worried about his off field. I mean everyone I've talked

709
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 1: to and uh, I don't know. He seems like you

710
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: just he's someone you have to constantly worry about away

711
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:30,399
Speaker 1: from the facility. Very talented individual though, but train wreck

712
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: in your opinion. He's not in your opinion, but which

713
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: I've been and I've talked to him, and you know,

714
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: I've talked about the people about him. Um, I as

715
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: as immensely talented as he is, and LSU didn't want him.

716
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. There's just there's a lot

717
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: there I don't think. And it's not a Tyrone Matthew

718
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: situation in my opinion. I mean, it's a lot of

719
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 1: focus issues, commitment issues, accountability issues. It's not like this

720
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: kid just kind of you know, you liked weed or

721
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. There's a lot of issues there

722
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: too early for exam Abean Howard not at thirty four,

723
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: I don't think either. I think he's probably a third rounder.

724
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: He's I don't know. I guess I see a bit

725
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: of Brandon Carr in him really, just because he doesn't

726
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 1: really have much catch up speed. Once once he lets

727
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: guys guy's he's probably going to be his own corner.

728
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: I don't really trust him in man coverage to me

729
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: at thirty four. The guy who I actually really like

730
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: is Kendall Fuller. I don't think his film really thinks

731
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: to face safety myself, but go ahead, I think my

732
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: corner I do. Yeah, I'm with you. I think just

733
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 1: watch his film from twenty fourteen, and this guy, this

734
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: guy is a man man cover guy. He can put

735
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 1: Hi Man's man on the guy. So he was hurt

736
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: last year and that really did not really hurt his

737
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:36,959
Speaker 1: draft stock. But to me, he's a cornerback the double

738
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 1: move in the Ohio State game, right, it doesn't Yeah,

739
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: I mean he he had a meniscu's tear went in August.

740
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 1: He was trying to play through it. You know, it's

741
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: it's a bad look and it'll be replayed over and

742
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: over again. But his twenty fourteen stuff is what you

743
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,399
Speaker 1: focus on. And I agree. I saw a first round

744
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 1: player two has a fourteen tape. So as long as

745
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 1: the knee checks out, okay here at the combine in

746
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: the rechecks, definitely fuller someone I consider thirty four two. Okay, David,

747
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: who has impressed you guys the most through these first

748
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,399
Speaker 1: two days of you know and on the on field

749
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: stuff hasn't really started yet, But just give me some

750
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 1: who's really if somebody's blown you away definitely or just

751
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: who's kind of been impressive for y'all. A couple of

752
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: old miss guys. And we talked about Tunsil yesterday. Uh,

753
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: you know, just the way he commanded the room was

754
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:29,399
Speaker 1: really impressive and then treadwell today, I thought he went

755
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: went up there and he defended his decision not to

756
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: run here at the combine, you know, explained how he

757
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 1: switched training facilities just not too long ago so he

758
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 1: didn't feel comfortable, yet still wants to run in the

759
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: low four fives. That's his goal. Uh. And I loved

760
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 1: his answer when asked, you know, who's the tough corner,

761
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: toughest corner back he faced and he said, well, I

762
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 1: don't think there were really that many tough corners in college.

763
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: And he kind of you know, went back and U said, well, okay,

764
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,439
Speaker 1: you know what, that Cyrus Jones is pretty good. Yeah,

765
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: the Florida corner is not bad. Not Vernon Hargrave's a

766
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: younger one immediate a point to say that. And he

767
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: also pointed out the Mississippi State corner will Redman as well.

768
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 1: So at that tread Well did a nice job for

769
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: himself up there. I think to all miss guys have

770
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: been the guys that have stood out the mouse. The

771
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: guy who I actually really liked was Jonathan Williams, the

772
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: Arkansas running back. Now he was he was elected a

773
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: team captain despite missing the year with a broken foot

774
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 1: last year. And you can you can tell it when

775
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: you actually listened to him. He's really smart, plays clued up. Yeah,

776
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: I mean it's film as well. You can see it

777
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: on there if you look at his Alabama film from

778
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen. He's planning against an NFL defense there in Alabama.

779
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: His offensive line isn't blocking for him, his tight ends

780
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: aren't blocking for him, and he's just charging at these guys.

781
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: He's playing with no fit and he's basically carrying this

782
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: offense just he's hitting Reggie Raglan straight in the trade

783
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: in the mouth, and so you can sort of see

784
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: that he's but you can you can tell when you

785
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,280
Speaker 1: actually listened to him and when you when you speak

786
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,919
Speaker 1: to him that this is a guy who really high

787
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: character guy. Coaches are going to love this guy. If

788
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: I told you that the foot won't be an issue

789
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: moving forward, where would you draft Jonathan Williams second round?

790
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 1: I agree? I agree, he's that type of He's a

791
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 1: day two talent. Uh Man, Yeah, you consider him in

792
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: the second round. It's really just that foot that you

793
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 1: really worried you to have him over Collins. I do. Yeah, Okay.

794
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 1: The guy was impressed with was Jack Conklin. Yeah, from

795
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: Michigan stated I felt like that he was he had

796
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: the most poised up there. I thought he answered all

797
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 1: the questions very well. He was very thoughtful. He measured

798
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: his words in a good way. Though he was very complimentary.

799
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: He talked about he didn't talk about guys he'd played.

800
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 1: He talked about a guy like Randy Gregory that he'd

801
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 1: played a couple that shows you offensive tackle mentality. Right there,

802
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 1: he remembers the guy who gave him the most trouble.

803
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: He could have very easily said Bosa or somebody like that,

804
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: and everybody would have jumped up and down. But he said,

805
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: a guy that you know a couple of years ago

806
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 1: came out. So I gave him a lot of credit.

807
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 1: I think that somebody is going to get a guy

808
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: six six, three hundred and three hundred and uh three

809
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: or eight, you know. And he did five reps today.

810
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: So we'll get into that why we like that or not.

811
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: But I was very oppressed by his demeanor. I think,

812
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: whoever you all you have to do in Daniel, tell

813
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 1: you if you watch there, these guys will tell you.

814
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 1: Watch the Alabama game, Michigan State's getting their rears kicked

815
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 1: up front, and he's the one guy that wasn't getting

816
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,439
Speaker 1: his rear kicked. I think that says a lot about

817
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: the type of player he could be. I'm just trying

818
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 1: to get a big old eye roll from Dane, but

819
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: I was. I thought card L. Jones had a great

820
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: media session today. I really did, And like what I know,

821
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: there's all kinds of things you can say about him

822
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: as a player, what you think about his tape, and

823
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: it's all out there for you to read. I like

824
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 1: him more than the most people do. But he was

825
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: great up there today. Man, he's you know, He's like,

826
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: I can't wait till these teams put me on the

827
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 1: white board. You know, I know my challenge him. I'm

828
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: a more he said, I'm a more cerebral quarterback than

829
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: I get credit for being. He's you know, he said, yeah,

830
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,879
Speaker 1: people definitely think I'm a goofball because there's some things

831
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: I've done in my past. But he'll get a chance.

832
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: You gotta be careful, He'll yeah, he'll be carefully. What

833
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: he wished for that people don't see the ninety hours

834
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: a week that I put in to do this. He

835
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: had one more great SoundBite. It was, um, I don't

836
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: care about getting a job. I'm trying to get a

837
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: career in the NFL. He did he had I mean,

838
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: he knew and granted he's working with George Whitfield out there,

839
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: which that's what he does, so George. It just based

840
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: on I I just thought he was great for the

841
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: I mean I kind of went over there initially I

842
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: was like, oh, Cardel Jones, this has potential to be

843
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 1: a train wreck, because that's kind of the reputation that

844
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 1: he has. But he was he was polished and poised

845
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: and and he was good up there, so in one

846
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 1: area where I wasn't pressed with him, and he's not

847
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: at Ohio State anymore, so he had a chance to

848
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Speaker 1: really say, you know, I was the best quarterback. Uh,

849
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Speaker 1: you know, the coaches made the wrong decision taking me out,

850
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: benching me at an eleven or no record as a starter.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he had a chance to kind of not

852
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Speaker 1: throw his coaches under the bus, but at least, you know,

853
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Speaker 1: kind of deflect you know, the blame away from his

854
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Speaker 1: inconsistent play and put it more on you know, someone else,

855
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Speaker 1: just to make excuses. But he didn't. He said it

856
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Speaker 1: was for the betterment of the team. You know, He's like,

857
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Speaker 1: I didn't hit my goals this year, but it was

858
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: for the better minute of the team, and I understood that.

859
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 1: So he was very very mature with that you act

860
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,919
Speaker 1: and taking accountability. You mentioned that he said he said

861
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,719
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862
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Speaker 1: up the stuff, and I mean, so yeah, he was.

863
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: He was impressive. So I hope his on field stuff

864
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: matches how he was today. Okay, we thank everybody out

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Speaker 1: Draft Showwboys on the Club. We are back here on

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Speaker 1: the Draft Show from the twenty sixteen NFL Combine Radio

913
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: row here in Indianapolis. Brian broad Is, Dan Brugler, David Hellman,

914
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 1: Dan Turner for the next uh fifteen twenty minutes or so.

915
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: UH want to get into these uh? We did? We

916
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: off the field, not off field. Field work will start

917
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: with the offensive line running backs tomorrow. And but today

918
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: we had some bench press first off thing. I want

919
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 1: to get into something, and I know, did you have

920
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 1: a question about bench press or something like that. No,

921
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: I just wanted to bust on you, bust on me. Yeah, okay,

922
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: I mean we'll get into it. Is at the end

923
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: of the show. Bust on me or is it bust

924
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:34,879
Speaker 1: I mean we'll just go Okay, you'll fit it in. Okay, cool,

925
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: But I want to You know, Dan, you did a

926
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: fine job for for CBS Sports, And in a preview

927
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 1: of the combine, uh, talked about things that are good

928
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 1: about the combine. Things they're bad scouts off the record.

929
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: Who scouts will love to talk off the record, you

930
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 1: know all day, they will talk to you off the

931
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 1: record all day, and then that you bring your name,

932
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:56,399
Speaker 1: bring their name up, and then it's like, I didn't

933
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 1: say that. It's one of those things. So uh, and

934
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 1: that's from experience. But the the bench press was one

935
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: of the things that a scout particularly said he would

936
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: get rid of it if he could. Yeah, why was that?

937
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: The preview that I did kind of went step by

938
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 1: step for each drill, explaining each one, and I got

939
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 1: one of my scout bodies could give me a quote

940
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: on each drill and say kind of how he used it,

941
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: how he valued that particular drill, and a few of them.

942
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: You know, he loved the shuttles, he loved the three cone.

943
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: The forty he said was important for wide receivers and corners,

944
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 1: not so much for lineman quarterbacks, that kind of thing.

945
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: But he had an interesting quote on the bench press,

946
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: basically said it was useless. He says, overrated. If the

947
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: combine forgot to do the bench press, no one would care.

948
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 1: And so I think there's something to that because it

949
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: does it measures you know, your your weight room strength,

950
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: but it doesn't measure functional strength, if functional football strength,

951
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: and so it can be a misleading number. I think

952
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: what it better tells you is who you know busts

953
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: his butt in the weight room, and that's kind of

954
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 1: what the bench press number tells you, not much more

955
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 1: than that, And so I think it you can't get

956
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: too locked up in these numbers. But a few guys

957
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: that did really well for themselves today. Christian Westerman from

958
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: Arizona State, talented player. Yeah, yeah, very good guard. He

959
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: had a good week at the Senior Bowl and UH

960
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 1: continued to hear thirty four reps. That's the top so

961
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 1: far we've had this year. I think we're gonna see

962
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: Andrew Billings topped out when the defensive lineman go. But

963
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: for the offensive lineman, Westernman was the top guy. Connor

964
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: McGovern Missouri offensive lineman was thirty three. He was next

965
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,919
Speaker 1: Num Bowl from Colorado at thirty two, and then Jason

966
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 1: Spriggs from Indiana had thirty one. And it's a guy

967
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: with some pretty long arms. I think doesn't always plays strong. No,

968
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: he doesn't. You could go through Jason Spriggs. Yeah, he's

969
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: going to be not Lane Johnson in terms of that

970
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: type of riser, but I think he's going to test

971
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:50,760
Speaker 1: similar as Lane Johnson did and really help himself throughout

972
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: this process. At the Senior Bowl, we saw that, you know,

973
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,919
Speaker 1: the scouts voted him the top offensive lineman that week,

974
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: and I think he's going to continue that momentum here

975
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 1: and we're gonna see Spriggs kind of be involved in

976
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: a lot more first round monks moving forward. I still

977
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: have a lot of questions. I know you do too,

978
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: but he's going to test really well. The your thoughts

979
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: though on Dave and Dan on the bench press, anything

980
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: that you know stands out about what this scout says.

981
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: Is it something you feel like it's used for or not? Oh,

982
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 1: go ahead, Dan. It just seems to be no correlation

983
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 1: between bench press and numbers in success. I mean we

984
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: were just saying in the break, Zack Martin had something

985
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: like twenty three twenty four, and he has more functional

986
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 1: strength in any offensive lineman in the NFL. And then

987
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 1: you've got players like people like Travis Frederick as well,

988
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: who I'm what he asking? It like twenty one twenty one,

989
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 1: and he's has abenity to just drive black guys off

990
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 1: the board is unrivaled. And then you've got there's almost

991
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 1: like no correlation at all. So it's almost like I

992
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: just don't really care at all with what these guys. Yeah,

993
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: nice number, but it's something that it's one. I mean,

994
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 1: it's one of the things that jumps out at you,

995
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: especially when the number is lower than usual. Cody white

996
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 1: Hair this year, Charotine, And the thing I was gonna

997
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: bust on you is is that your boy Taylor Decker

998
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 1: put up like twenty Yeah, he didn't have a good

999
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 1: day either, but again, I think Dan's totally right, is

1000
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,479
Speaker 1: I mean you think about it, Yeah, exactly like Dane

1001
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 1: said to weight room strength. Cool, But I mean, how

1002
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: much do we talk about blocking and getting pass blockers?

1003
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: Is about leverage and lower body strength and stuff like that,

1004
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 1: which who cares how much you can bench press when

1005
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 1: it comes to that. If if Aaron Donald can get

1006
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: underneath you or wiggle out from under you, it doesn't

1007
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: really matter. And the same thing with Zach Martin. If

1008
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 1: you can drive people, it doesn't really matter what's going

1009
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 1: on up here. So yeah, that doesn't surprise me. And honestly,

1010
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 1: you could probably find a scout in this building who

1011
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: will tell you that, damn near every drill out there's overrated. Yeah,

1012
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 1: I think it is. I mean the way we talk about,

1013
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: you know, fans in general. You know a lot of

1014
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 1: times a guy will run a fast forwardy and you know,

1015
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 1: we think it moves them up when in reality it doesn't.

1016
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: I think it is a fair statement that on the outside,

1017
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: a lot of people overrate the combine a lot of

1018
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 1: the drills. Now you can you know a lot of

1019
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: these drills, you know, Ceo Bracado always told me, Yeah,

1020
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 1: those don't that don't appreciate the combine or you know,

1021
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: the value. They just don't understand how to use the numbers, right.

1022
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: And there is something to that, because there is value

1023
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: in a lot of these numbers depending on the position

1024
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: and all that. So you know, there is an overrated

1025
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 1: aspect to it from the outside looking in. But each

1026
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:28,720
Speaker 1: one of these numbers provides some kind of quantitative data

1027
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: that these scouts will use. Yeah, and let me just

1028
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: uh if I could run through the top five bench

1029
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: pressers of all time here at the combine, you tell

1030
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,879
Speaker 1: me what kind of football players they were? Ready? Oh boy? Yeah,

1031
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 1: Justice in nineteen ninety nine, in that combine, young man

1032
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: named Justin's Justin Justin Earnest. You are not a good reader. Justin.

1033
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: I was trying to say Justin Earnest. It's just Justin.

1034
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: It's like a really normal name, Justin. Anyway, Yeah, you're

1035
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 1: you're teetering on now no longer being on the combine

1036
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 1: thing just combines in the wings. Yeah, We've we've got

1037
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: guys who will do a much better job than you.

1038
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 1: Finish the list. Finish the list, and uh in nineteen

1039
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 1: ninety nine had did fifty one. Oh my god, Okay,

1040
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 1: what kind of player was he? I've never take Okay,

1041
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: Stephen Paia, he still in the league. Yeah, forty nine

1042
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: rest in two thousand and eleven, defensive tackle, Yeah yeah,

1043
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: Leif Larsen in two thousand, Mike Kudla, Mitch Purdis, pos

1044
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:33,320
Speaker 1: Petris forty five times. Yeah, okay, Brodrick Bunkley two thousand

1045
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 1: and six, Bus, Jeff Owens, and Don Terry Poe. Now

1046
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: there's a there's a Terry pose an example of a

1047
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,839
Speaker 1: where his all of his combined drills really translated. Well,

1048
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 1: he had a terrific ten yards split. All of his

1049
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 1: drills are really impressive. And number five Scott Young, I

1050
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: could read that name, Dave Scott Young in two thousand

1051
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 1: and five. He was drafted by the Philadelphia Eagles in

1052
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:59,320
Speaker 1: the fifth round of that two thousand and five draft,

1053
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: and he had he bench pressed uh forty three times? Well,

1054
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 1: and when did do you happen to know? When? Did?

1055
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: When did Justin Ernest go? Like? When was he picked?

1056
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 1: Let's see when he was picked? Because I mean, if

1057
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 1: a guy has a great bench press and he wounds

1058
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: up winds up being a fifth round he was never drafted,

1059
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 1: he was he was never dry. It's not like people

1060
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: are using these as excuses to draft guys higher than

1061
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: they should. Yeah, he was never drafted and never played

1062
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,720
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Wow, but damn he felt happy about

1063
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: that bench press numbers because of that. I'll tell you what.

1064
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: We probably we probably at nineteen ninety nine, we probably

1065
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: took a look at him in your on the board.

1066
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 1: We probably we had him on the board and we

1067
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 1: probably were looking at drafting him at that point in time,

1068
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 1: but didn't do that. Oh man. So anyway though, Um,

1069
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: that's outstanding. Yeah it is. But the cool I can

1070
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,800
Speaker 1: understand that. I can understand where you're a long time scout.

1071
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: You've you've been in those those rooms. I mean, did

1072
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: bench press ever come up as a as a qualifier

1073
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,720
Speaker 1: or you know a you know, two scouts are debating

1074
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 1: a guy. Did bench press that number come up as

1075
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 1: a reason why you know, this guy should be drafted

1076
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,800
Speaker 1: over another? No, it really didn't it. You know, we

1077
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 1: were always you know, it was it was like if

1078
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: a guy had a low bench press number, we made

1079
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: it a point to go to the school and try

1080
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 1: and get him to do it better. Yeah, just to

1081
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: get me even if it was twelve and just to

1082
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 1: get him to fifteen and then we just we just

1083
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 1: it wasn't like we were trying to get him to

1084
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 1: go from twelve to twenty five. We were trying to

1085
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: just get at least three more. And that in my

1086
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: limited experience covering the draft cycle, it's like it's a

1087
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: rough draft anyway, because all these guys are going to

1088
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: go back to their pro day and now they've got

1089
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 1: a disappointing number, yeah, and they can focus on whatever

1090
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 1: it was that was disappointing, whether it's forty, whether it's

1091
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: the bench press, whatever. And I almost always it's better

1092
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: when they do their approach. Let me ask you this,

1093
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: would you rather see them get rid of the bench

1094
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:04,359
Speaker 1: press or wonderlick testing? I think both are um kind

1095
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:08,800
Speaker 1: of looked at as not very useful. I think with

1096
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:12,320
Speaker 1: the Wonderlick, the quarterbacks you care about, I guess, you know,

1097
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 1: just curious see what kind of they score. Um, that

1098
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 1: is it? That is like that is a badge of

1099
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,320
Speaker 1: dishonor that some of those poor kids wear. Yeah, and

1100
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 1: it is it is some of them. And that's the

1101
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: first thing that someone on Twitter will fire at me

1102
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: about Mo claiborne, that he's a dumb kid. And that's

1103
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 1: and let me tell you what the and and just

1104
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,919
Speaker 1: real quick, I always felt like that the Wonderlick score

1105
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,280
Speaker 1: was unfair to kids because some kids it was always

1106
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 1: about the ability to read, you know, like here, I am,

1107
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,320
Speaker 1: I can't read these kids names sometimes, and you know

1108
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: it's just because you know, it wasn't just sixteen and wasn't.

1109
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 1: But you know, but I'm just telling you that some

1110
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: days you don't. I mean, you can't. You just don't

1111
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 1: see words right. And and it's us. It's twelve minutes

1112
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: and they ask you and it's questions, and I challenge

1113
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 1: you day the Wonder test absolutely, I mean you talk

1114
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:04,839
Speaker 1: about I mean you're going from here to here to here.

1115
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 1: You got twelve minutes here and got twenty minutes with

1116
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 1: the media. You're doing this, you're doing that, and then

1117
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:10,800
Speaker 1: you got to sit down and and I mean, I

1118
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 1: think if you're a reasonably intelligent person, you should still

1119
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:15,320
Speaker 1: probably be able to do pretty well. But it's not

1120
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 1: conducive to that. It's it's about reading, and some kids

1121
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 1: don't have the advantage over others. And that you say

1122
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 1: what you want about the education system, that that's a

1123
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: fault it's not good. But but but but the problem

1124
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 1: that I always had with the Wonderlick test is that's

1125
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 1: something that gets leaked, okay, and that's I was going,

1126
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: that gets leaked, and then all of a sudden, these

1127
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 1: kids have to deal with that. I would do away

1128
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: with the Wonderlick because the bench press is there for

1129
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: everybody to see. They post the numbers on the NFL's

1130
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: official website, they can choose. With the Wonderlick always gets leaked.

1131
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 1: You never usually can't even trust whether that leaked number

1132
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: is accurate. I mean, half the guys shout out their

1133
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 1: score leaked will come out and tell you that's not

1134
00:54:55,840 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 1: true anyway. So then it's he s he said, she said, whatever. Um,

1135
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 1: I've got the two thousand and three Wonderlok scores in

1136
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 1: front of me. Tony Romo led the way thirty seven. Nice. Uh,

1137
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:13,720
Speaker 1: look at Carson Palmer twenty six, m Kyle Bowler twenty seven,

1138
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:18,800
Speaker 1: Wels Grossman twenty nine, and yeah's Grossman. For quarterbacks, you

1139
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:20,439
Speaker 1: want at least twenty five, and so all those guys

1140
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 1: hit that mark. But no, you're right, it is. It's

1141
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 1: unfortunate for some of these kids because it does get

1142
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 1: out when it really shouldn't. Um, But I don't know,

1143
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 1: it's some some teams will fight for it. Some Scouts

1144
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 1: will fight for it just as a as a way

1145
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 1: to measure. Uh, you know, it's no different than another

1146
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 1: you know, the bench for us, where it's just another

1147
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,439
Speaker 1: number they can use. But I think there's better ways

1148
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 1: they could be doing things. Yeah, I think there's a

1149
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,280
Speaker 1: lot in and I and I'm gonna be real honest

1150
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:48,439
Speaker 1: about there's there's a lot of drills when I first

1151
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: started coming here in nineteen ninety two, there's still a

1152
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: lot of those same drills that they're doing. And they

1153
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 1: need to if they're gonna do if they're gonna you know,

1154
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 1: they need to. They need ted Thompson, who really is

1155
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 1: on the committee for the Scouts. Go to the GMS,

1156
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 1: go to Teddy and they talk to him about, hey,

1157
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:07,760
Speaker 1: we need to try and change us up. And Teddy

1158
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 1: has been a hard line on a lot of stuff

1159
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 1: about hey, you know, because what happens is as Scouts,

1160
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 1: what do you do you measure numbers? You try and

1161
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 1: can you try and compare numbers that were and now

1162
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 1: that we you know, we this, I don't know, I

1163
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 1: mean how long we've been in this facility here Now

1164
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 1: I can't even remember the soil. Yeah, so I don't

1165
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 1: know that actually this this stadium, Yeah yeah, way before,

1166
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. So the RCIA Dome turf where

1167
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 1: they ran was different. So now scouts were all freaking

1168
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:40,800
Speaker 1: out about okay, we're going from one field condition to

1169
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 1: another type of fueld condition and now you know, and

1170
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 1: that's and that was That's something that that that scouts,

1171
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: especially the older scouts, really try and protect. They try,

1172
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 1: they try and protect these shuttle numbers and these forty

1173
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:56,720
Speaker 1: numbers and all these numbers. That's a conversation that probably

1174
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 1: deserves a lot more time. But I mean, as analytics,

1175
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 1: because I'm a bigger part of you. In the next

1176
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 1: ten to fifteen years, I wouldn't be surprised if we

1177
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 1: start to see some drastically different ways of evaluating. Yeah,

1178
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 1: there are a lot of studies out there that teams

1179
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 1: are doing about what correlates what doesn't. And we're going

1180
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 1: to see some changes. The forty or dash is not

1181
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 1: going away. Yeah, We're not going to see these overhaul changes,

1182
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: but there will be tweaks, there will be some improvements

1183
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:23,919
Speaker 1: I think a few things that are maybe a little

1184
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 1: more football related. We're going to see some changes, just

1185
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 1: not an overhaul Danny tomorrow, which offensive lineman into that here,

1186
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: I'm getting back to this, and we got a couple

1187
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: more minutes. Just one guy you're looking for tomorrow, one

1188
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: or two guys that you're looking for, offensive lineman, running back,

1189
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 1: somebody like that on the on the field drills that

1190
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 1: we can watch. Well, I was pretty high on named

1191
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 1: Jack Conklin before we came here, and so far he's

1192
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 1: passed every test with flying colors. So and I just

1193
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 1: think tomorrow he's going to do exactly the same. Now

1194
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 1: maybe now, maybe he'll fail him and then I'll have

1195
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: to reevaluate something. But I'm just looking to him to

1196
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: basically confirm what I already know about and that he's

1197
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 1: he's early athletic, but sometimes slow footed as a player.

1198
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 1: So it would be nice to see him maybe just

1199
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: do some show himself to be a bit to show

1200
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 1: some quickness tomorrow, maybe the three cone drill or the

1201
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 1: short shuttle. I'm sure he'll run a fast forty time.

1202
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 1: It wouldn't surprise me if he finished in the top

1203
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 1: five of that. So yeah, I'm especially looking at Jack Conklin.

1204
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 1: And then on the running back side, I'm intrigued by

1205
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 1: some of these mid round guys who can potentially break

1206
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 1: away from the pack a little bit, so like Kelvin

1207
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 1: Taylor is one of them. For me. CJ. Procie is another.

1208
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 1: And I was hoping for training Adam that hope as

1209
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 1: he's injured. So yeah, David, I'm the king of the

1210
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: eye rollers when it comes to the Derrick Henry hype train.

1211
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: So I'm very interested to see. He said he's going

1212
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 1: to do everything, So I want to see what he

1213
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 1: can put up. I mean maybe, I mean if he

1214
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: can and again, I mean you don't want these numbers

1215
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 1: to determine draft status, but I mean, if he can

1216
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 1: put up some surprisingly good numbers, maybe there's some some

1217
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: thought to be had about him in the top forty

1218
00:58:56,120 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: or so. Dan, I mentioned Jason Spriggs earlier. I think

1219
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 1: he's gonna do really well. Larrmy tunsel is gonna do

1220
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 1: every drill and so I want to see how quick

1221
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 1: he is, that body control all that. I want to

1222
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 1: see that on display, see how he does. Then for

1223
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 1: the running backs, you know, a tip for everyone listening,

1224
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 1: You know you know what you've seen these guys on film.

1225
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 1: Take a guess, you know, take each guy, the guys

1226
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 1: you feel comfortable with that you've seen enough of. Guess

1227
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: what they're forty yard dashes. If you're off by more

1228
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 1: than you know, tens of a second, then go back

1229
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 1: and figure out maybe would you miss? Because that's what

1230
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 1: scouts are doing. They have a number in mind for

1231
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 1: each player, and if say Derrick Henry, if he runs

1232
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 1: a four seven or whatever, then okay, time to go

1233
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 1: back and figure out what do we miss? He looked, Sure,

1234
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 1: looks fast, faster than that on film. So just a

1235
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 1: way to cross check and figure out, you know, would

1236
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 1: you miss or did you get the guy right? My

1237
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 1: guy is five eleven seven on the measurements, he's two

1238
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five pounds. He carries the ball at

1239
00:59:56,760 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 1: the Ohio State University. I'm very interested. Ezekie Elliott said

1240
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 1: he's gonna run in the four fours here, and I'm

1241
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 1: very interested to see if he can do that. He

1242
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 1: plays that way, you know, I there's there's a lot

1243
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 1: of food. We keep talking about him, and people think

1244
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 1: he's a top ten type of a player. I have

1245
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 1: a feeling tomorrow he's gonna put on a show too,

1246
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 1: And yeah, exactly so he's used to know you. He

1247
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 1: might make it very hard for somebody in this top

1248
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:27,439
Speaker 1: eight maybe to not take him. What if he makes

1249
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 1: it hard for somebody at number four, that's what that's

1250
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 1: what I'm hoping. That is why I'm hoping that it's

1251
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 1: not gonna happen. But anyway, five eleven, seven on the

1252
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 1: high two twenty five, you're gonna watch a big man

1253
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 1: come blowing down there and run for you tomorrow. So hey,

1254
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 1: thanks you guys for appreciate thank you for being on

1255
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 1: for us at the draft show today. We'll be back

1256
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 1: tomorrow nights at We'll be back at uh six o'clock Eastern.

1257
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 1: We'll have some conversations about how these workouts went with

1258
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 1: the offensive lineman and then also then the running backsive

1259
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 1: line and linebackers will be here. We'll talk to them.

1260
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:01,120
Speaker 1: It's a lot, I'm sure, Jack Killen Smith a lot

1261
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 1: of talking, a lot to be talking. We might hear

1262
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 1: some medical information too about Jalen Smith as well. So

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Speaker 1: for my my scouting buddies for Dan Turner, David Hellman, Danburg, Bryan,

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Speaker 1: Bryan Browson executive producer Kent Garrison, Thank you very much

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Speaker 1: for join us. We'll see you tomorrow night. From Indianapolis,