Speaker 1: Welcome to the Solid Verbal.
Speaker 2: I'll that for me. I'm a man, I'm forty.
Speaker 1: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to
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Speaker 3: Whoo whoom?
Speaker 1: And Dan and Tie.
Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Solid Verbal, Boys and girls. My
Speaker 3: name is Ti hille Brand, joining me as always quarantined
Speaker 3: over there in New York City, the one and only
Speaker 3: Dan Rubinstein.
Speaker 1: Sir, how are you clean hands? Full nuggets? I guess
Speaker 1: I'm full of nuggets. I'm not full nuggets, but uh,
Speaker 1: unlike Notre Dame, can't lose, can't lose. Huh, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: I'm very excited for this show. I am extremely excited
Speaker 1: for the show. I talked to our pal, Adam Iman
Speaker 1: from ESPN, who is doing his best over there in Chicago,
Speaker 1: somebody who's usually on the road. He wants to record
Speaker 1: like seventeen of these with us. Okay, I'm excited for
Speaker 1: this one. Very good. Well, this could be the start
Speaker 1: of something special.
Speaker 3: As you know, as most listening know, something of an
Speaker 3: odd circumstance in the world at a moment, with a
Speaker 3: global pandemic, most of us trapped indoors looking for something
Speaker 3: to do, and we also don't know if there's going
Speaker 3: to be a college football season. I don't want to
Speaker 3: look too far in the future, but it is something
Speaker 3: that is very much on the table. We'll cross that bridge,
Speaker 3: will we come to it. But in the meantime, we
Speaker 3: are caught in this awkward spot where we want to
Speaker 3: talk college football because people listen for college football, but
Speaker 3: we just don't have college football to discuss. So perhaps
Speaker 3: we've been following along on our nightly Instagram live feeds
Speaker 3: as we've gathered for fifteen to twenty minutes to talk
Speaker 3: about whatever moves us. But we came up with the
Speaker 3: idea to do more of what we did last offseason,
Speaker 3: which was go back watch an old iconic game and
Speaker 3: talk about it, do the post mortem, do the oral history,
Speaker 3: whatever have you. That's what we're going to start doing,
Speaker 3: perhaps a little bit more of, and we decided that
Speaker 3: we would start with the illustrious Bush Push game of
Speaker 3: two thousand and five, USC beating Notre Dame in Notre
Speaker 3: Dame Stadium thirty four to thirty one.
Speaker 1: It's important and I think we're going to try to
Speaker 1: do this as often as possible to have an emotional
Speaker 1: and professional stakeholder on the show. Maybe one, maybe none,
Speaker 1: maybe both. Today we're starting with both because Ty, you
Speaker 1: as a longtime Notre Dame fan and attendee, Yes of
Speaker 1: this game, you're an emotional stakeholder. And Yogi Roth was
Speaker 1: an offensive assistant for USC at this time, was sitting
Speaker 1: like fourteen inches from Lane Kiffen, co offensive coordinator during
Speaker 1: this game, and he's going to join us later on
Speaker 1: in the show. I think for some equal time, Ty,
Speaker 1: equal to No. That's fair. That's fair.
Speaker 3: So he was in the booth, like you said, fourteen
Speaker 3: inches from Lane Kiffen, and I was in Section one
Speaker 3: oh six, Row three, seat twenty seven.
Speaker 1: I checked my ticket.
Speaker 3: I still have it laminated over at Mama H's house
Speaker 3: because it was such a meaningful event for me.
Speaker 1: I imagine it had to have been. Let's start. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you have any housekeeping you want to
Speaker 1: get into, but I have so many thoughts about this
Speaker 1: game in two thousand and five, in the early two thousands,
Speaker 1: with Notre Dame and USC and beyond, I'd like to
Speaker 1: start getting into the context. The context.
Speaker 3: Okay, well, before we get into that context, the context here,
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Speaker 3: Dan m going out to Soliverbal dot reddit dot com.
Speaker 3: That is the subreddit that is commandeered by our good
Speaker 3: friend Peter Hoffman. So yes, with that being said, Dan,
Speaker 3: give me, give me the lay of the land.
Speaker 1: Here.
Speaker 3: In two thousand and five again and Notre Dame USC
Speaker 3: one of the big matchups perhaps of all time, certainly
Speaker 3: from a rivalry standpoint it is. But in two thousand
Speaker 3: and five, what were the atmospherics that kind of built
Speaker 3: up to this matchup?
Speaker 1: Dateline two thousand and five. So this was a top
Speaker 1: ten matchup. So first and foremost, USC came into this
Speaker 1: game with a lot more momentum national attention as the
Speaker 1: number one team in America than Notre Dame did, who
Speaker 1: sort of crept into the top ten. They started the
Speaker 1: season as an other's receiving vote. Right, this was not
Speaker 1: a hype. Notre Dame team in terms of expectations in
Speaker 1: year one of the Charlie Weiss era, whereas USC demolishes
Speaker 1: Oklahoma the year before to win the national championship, they
Speaker 1: are considered a national champion the year before after their
Speaker 1: Rose Bowl win, where they're named the AP number one,
Speaker 1: but not the BCS number one that went to LSU.
Speaker 1: The end of two thousand and two was very promising.
Speaker 1: That was an excit. Carson Palmer to Matt Lionert, even
Speaker 1: though Linert wasn't super well regarded, there was that transition.
Speaker 1: The USC was deep in a pretty terrible era in
Speaker 1: the Paul Hackett era, and then they hire Pete Carroll
Speaker 1: and slowly but surely the recruiting is incredible. The results
Speaker 1: slowly but surely reflect the recruiting grades and team rankings whatever,
Speaker 1: whereas Notre Dame is an unexpected top ten team and
Speaker 1: could not have treated you worse. Between the end of
Speaker 1: the two thousand season and arguably even into the early
Speaker 1: part of the two thousand and five season, which includes
Speaker 1: going down thirty eight to seventeen in South Bend to
Speaker 1: Michigan State, Brady Quinn putting the team on his back,
Speaker 1: willing them back down twenty one to tie the game
Speaker 1: with two minutes left, goes to overtime, and then they lose.
Speaker 1: Then they lose, and that comes also during a time
Speaker 1: in which they beat the number three team in the country.
Speaker 1: I think, what a couple of weeks later, if my
Speaker 1: memory serves in Michigan, No, they beat Michigan. Michigan was
Speaker 1: a week before Michigan was a week before. They beat
Speaker 1: number three Michigan the week before, after beating the ranked
Speaker 1: pitt Panthers the week before that, so they're on the
Speaker 1: national radar. They lose to unranked Michigan State at home,
Speaker 1: but right the ship before USC Brady Quinn has experience
Speaker 1: as the starting quarterback for Notre Dame, but it's your
Speaker 1: one in the Charlie White system as well. And I
Speaker 1: want to know what the road to oh crap, Notre
Speaker 1: Dame might be good again look like for you between
Speaker 1: in the early early oughts, that's what it would be called. Sure,
Speaker 1: what is that road? What does that roller coaster emotionally
Speaker 1: look like to you?
Speaker 3: Well, emotionally again as a Notre Dame fan between us,
Speaker 3: I was very uncertain about this. Right Ty Willingham the
Speaker 3: era that he kind of ushered In had a really
Speaker 3: good first year. I didn't really think it was totally valid, Like,
Speaker 3: it just felt like so much of that team was
Speaker 3: built on defense.
Speaker 1: The offense kind of stank, and they were able to
Speaker 1: do it.
Speaker 3: They were able to win a bunch of games, but
Speaker 3: it just it never felt like this was a legitimate,
Speaker 3: contending kind of team. And so obviously the next two
Speaker 3: years of Willingham didn't go well to now step into
Speaker 3: the Charlie Weiss era, I didn't quite know what to think.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: I was a proponent of them hiring Charlie Weiss. I
Speaker 3: liked the move, sure, and you know, it was a
Speaker 3: breath of fresh air. This is a guy who's got
Speaker 3: some offense on his resume. Presumably he's going to come
Speaker 3: in there, he's going to reboot the offense. And he did,
Speaker 3: as we'll talk about. I'm sure reboot the offense. This
Speaker 3: is a top ten offense throughout the course of the
Speaker 3: two thousand and five season. But honestly, I sort of
Speaker 3: didn't know how to feel. This is a program that
Speaker 3: had been down for a while. They won a national
Speaker 3: championship in the late eighties. They were really good in
Speaker 3: the early to mid nineties under.
Speaker 1: Holt, but great run. Yeah, But towards the end.
Speaker 3: Of the millennium as we got into the aughts, as
Speaker 3: you say, yeah, the program was not quite where you'd
Speaker 3: want it to be as a fan. So I was
Speaker 3: just very uncertain about the whole thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Bob Davey era was. I was trying to
Speaker 1: think of a nickname for him, and the best thing
Speaker 1: I could come up with was Bolish Bob, because those
Speaker 1: Notre Dame teams they're bolish, They're always in balls, but
Speaker 1: they were bowlish. You skipped over one amazing nugget of
Speaker 1: that era. I mean there are many amazing nuggets in
Speaker 1: that era. As somebody who enjoys college football chaos. Notre
Speaker 1: Dame hired Georgio Leary to replace Bob Davy in two
Speaker 1: thousand and one. He had a cup of coffee. There
Speaker 1: were some discrepancies on his resume and he never wound
Speaker 1: up coaching at Notre Dame. So then they moved on
Speaker 1: to Ty Willingham, who won his first two games as
Speaker 1: the Irish head coach without Notre Dame scoring an offensive
Speaker 1: touchdown facts which you know, it's if you can do it,
Speaker 1: good on you. So then they hired Charlie Wise, who
Speaker 1: it seems like this is this is a pro move. Literally,
Speaker 1: this is hiring a pro a guy from the Patriots
Speaker 1: who had worked with Tom Brady and the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: winner and is a Notre Dame guy, And this is
Speaker 1: Notre Dame stepping up to the plate to stop fooling
Speaker 1: around with guys who are not to the caliber of
Speaker 1: what Notre Dame perceives itself to be. And pretty early
Speaker 1: on it looks promising.
Speaker 3: It looked extremely promising. And they had this stud quarterback
Speaker 3: in Brady Quinn. As I'm sure we'll discuss here as
Speaker 3: we go a little bit further into the game. They
Speaker 3: had big targets for him. They had a serviceable running
Speaker 3: game that they actually lead on very heavily throughout the
Speaker 3: course of the year. They ran the ball about forty times.
Speaker 3: In this game that we're going to talk about, they
Speaker 3: ran it fifty two times. So, you know, Charlie Weiss,
Speaker 3: I thought, from a very high level, did a pretty
Speaker 3: good job balancing the offense. He knew how to try
Speaker 3: and use the personnel that he had to great affect,
Speaker 3: and so that was good. That aspect of it was good.
Speaker 3: He did come in and made a very positive impact.
Speaker 3: The ability to sustain that success moving forward is ultimately
Speaker 3: what did him in. He had a very successful campaign
Speaker 3: in year one, diminishing returns thereafter. Was never quite able
Speaker 3: to build in the trenches, never quite able to maintain
Speaker 3: on the defensive side or build up on the defensive
Speaker 3: side the way we would have hoped, and that ultimately
Speaker 3: led to his undoing. But at least out of the shoot. Yeah,
Speaker 3: for Charlie Weiss in year one, it was very promising. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and we'll get to the PostScript. We will, I promise.
Speaker 1: What I would also like to add, because we talked
Speaker 1: about Notre Dame early on that season, USC starts the
Speaker 1: season number one, they end the regular season number one.
Speaker 1: That's the USC Texas here of course. Well, they are
Speaker 1: one and two all season long. They dropped sixty three
Speaker 1: in a huge win against Hawaii in the Islands, and
Speaker 1: then just absolutely demolish Arkansas. They had a home and home.
Speaker 1: I believe with Arkansas, he dropped a buck twenty company,
Speaker 1: just killed them. Yeah, and I believe that two thousand
Speaker 1: and six Arkansas team was pretty good. That was a
Speaker 1: Dearren McFadden, Felix Jones Peyton hillis team good defense too.
Speaker 1: They fell down early to Oregon, but came back and
Speaker 1: stomped the Ducks in Eugene. I was trying to remember
Speaker 1: if I was at that game. For some reason, I
Speaker 1: think I was probably back.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: I had graduated that summer, so I would have been
Speaker 1: returning to Eugene. I think I might have been a
Speaker 1: huge comeback. They go down eighteen at halftime to ASU
Speaker 1: in Tempe. USC wins their four and oh on the
Speaker 1: road in their first six games, which is a pretty
Speaker 1: incredible split. But they come back and they win that
Speaker 1: game thirty eight to twenty eight. And this is Reggie
Speaker 1: Bush and Lendell White really coming into their own. And
Speaker 1: then later on in the Arizona game the following week
Speaker 1: after ASU, and this is the week before Notre Dame,
Speaker 1: they eventually run away from an Arizona team. Shout out
Speaker 1: Richard Kovalceek. That's right, shout out that Arizona team. But
Speaker 1: so it wasn't there. There were some scares, there were
Speaker 1: some moments of hesitation I think from USC, especially early
Speaker 1: on in games, but ultimately their talent and their ability
Speaker 1: and the depth that they had built up one out
Speaker 1: and this was number one against number nine, and obviously
Speaker 1: your favorite part of the lead up to this game
Speaker 1: that week was a very specific story about Notre Dame's preparation.
Speaker 3: Notre dames preparation, Yeah, grew the hell out of what
Speaker 3: tie the grass, Dan. So let me provide further context.
Speaker 3: I was at this game at the times. This is
Speaker 3: two thousand and five. If you want to know more
Speaker 3: about what I was doing in two thousand and five,
Speaker 3: go back and listen to the history of the soliverbal Show.
Speaker 3: But ye, my connection to actually get tickets to this
Speaker 3: game is among dabbling with some early rendition of what
Speaker 3: is now known as podcasting. I was also doing a
Speaker 3: lot of live streaming audio streaming, not twitch or YouTube
Speaker 3: or anything like that. I was helping some others in
Speaker 3: the college football community get some of their own streams
Speaker 3: up and running, and among them was a good friend
Speaker 3: of mine from Notre Dame who was able to hook
Speaker 3: me up with tickets.
Speaker 1: Nice did look at.
Speaker 3: Me like I had two heads when I brought my
Speaker 3: friend Kurt along, who's a die hard USC fan, wore
Speaker 3: is Keith Rivers jersey to the game. But we were there,
Speaker 3: we were in attendance, and we come walking into this
Speaker 3: beautiful stadium, Notre Dame Stadium. You look down on the
Speaker 3: field and it looks like it looks like a cow pasture.
Speaker 3: It looks as if they have not cut this in
Speaker 3: three to four state tailgate. Isn't that what the outside
Speaker 3: of Beaver Stadium looks like? Are there multiple pastures? There
Speaker 3: are multiple pastures to say the least. Yeah, So it
Speaker 3: was like, what the hell is this? And like so
Speaker 3: much in the Charlie Weiss ara, and we talked about
Speaker 3: this a little bit on the Instagram feed, Like so
Speaker 3: much of the Charlie Weiss era, it was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: this could be clever, or this could be really overthought right,
Speaker 3: and you just don't know where to come down on it.
Speaker 3: That in many ways was kind of a synopsis of
Speaker 3: the Weiss era. But they grow the grass out. It's
Speaker 3: very apparent as you're watching the broadcast. I didn't hear
Speaker 3: if they referenced it. I'm sure they did throughout the
Speaker 3: broadcast that we watched, but certainly in person it was
Speaker 3: it was flowing. It was every bit as flowing as
Speaker 3: Jeff Somarge's hair, and you know, obviously didn't have that
Speaker 3: much of an impact. But it was very noticeable, and
Speaker 3: it is the kind of thing that you saw. And
Speaker 3: I was like, all right, like I need to kick
Speaker 3: the tires a little bit more on who made this call,
Speaker 3: why they decided to do it, and you know what
Speaker 3: they thought they were going to gain out of doing this.
Speaker 1: Were you drunk? How much were you tailgating? This is
Speaker 1: probably what you're two years out of college. No, I
Speaker 1: wasn't at all. You weren't at all drunk. You were focused.
Speaker 1: I was very focused, like a fighter the night before
Speaker 1: a huge fight. No, I was.
Speaker 3: I was laser focused and actually, in my younger and
Speaker 3: more immature days, quite nervous about this game. Okay, So
Speaker 3: I didn't want to upset the tummy too much.
Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough, And there is something important and I
Speaker 1: don't know what your stance was. And we'll get into
Speaker 1: this when we talk about the very beginning of the
Speaker 1: game itself, which will momentarily. There was some I think
Speaker 1: it's just among Notre Dame fans more so than it
Speaker 1: is college football fans, but early on in the broadcast
Speaker 1: when Notre Dame runs out of the tunnel, there was shock, awe, bewilderment, excitement,
Speaker 1: borderline horniness about noted the color of Notre Dame's jerseys.
Speaker 1: Oh no, don't start, don't start with this. Was that
Speaker 1: a thing the week leading up? Where there message board rumors,
Speaker 1: because I'm positive message boards existed in two thousand and five,
Speaker 1: while they're murmurings of Charlie Weiss.
Speaker 3: Charlie Weiss had notably said that he wasn't going to
Speaker 3: do the green jersey thing, right, and then he decided,
Speaker 3: as you find out on the broadcast, he decided two
Speaker 3: weeks before the game that it was something that they
Speaker 3: wanted to do. And as Tom Hammond had to point out,
Speaker 3: it was his duty to point out as the lead
Speaker 3: comment on the game, Notre Dame at that point was
Speaker 3: something like oh and three wearing the jerseys, but three
Speaker 3: and zero against USC. Right, they had lost their last
Speaker 3: three overall, but had won their last three against USC
Speaker 3: wearing the green jersey. I'll have you know that when
Speaker 3: I saw them come out of the tunnel, I didn't
Speaker 3: know in the build up to this game that they
Speaker 3: were going to go green jerseys.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, no rumors that you saw.
Speaker 3: Okay, in my younger again, more immature days. I'm in
Speaker 3: the stands. I'm watching this, everyone's all jazzed up for
Speaker 3: Notre Dame to run out of the tunnel. They run
Speaker 3: out of the tunnel. I am audibly screaming no from
Speaker 3: section one oh three wherever I was. Because they had
Speaker 3: the green jerseys on it, I knew, at least I
Speaker 3: felt that it was some sort of bad home and
Speaker 3: now you wouldn't know that to hear Tom Hammon. Tom
Speaker 3: Hammond went crazy like Susan Walman went crazy.
Speaker 1: When and that was that was my comparison. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: went from twelve to six.
Speaker 3: When Roger Clemens signed the Yankees, the way Susan Walman reacted,
Speaker 3: that was what Tom Hammond did. And even to watch
Speaker 3: it back. Now, keep in mind I had never actually
Speaker 3: seen this broadcast. I saw the game live, never had
Speaker 3: the heart to go back and watch it in its totality.
Speaker 3: All these cheap little jokes like, oh, those green jerseys
Speaker 3: look so.
Speaker 1: Good in HD. Whatever, Tom whatever. I don't think my
Speaker 1: stream was an HD. I don't think my YouTube ufload
Speaker 1: that I watched with soft, which I'm actually glad you mentioned,
Speaker 1: because I don't know when all of the networks broadcast
Speaker 1: all of their games, or most of their games, or
Speaker 1: some of their games in HD. But it wasn't long
Speaker 1: before this.
Speaker 3: No, Well, and hey, listen back to the broadcast. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'll tell you one thing that doesn't hold up over time,
Speaker 3: old tech jokes. Tech jokes don't hold up because tech
Speaker 3: changes from year to year. So in this broadcast, especially
Speaker 3: a lot of quips about high definition television, like Pat
Speaker 3: Hayden telling Tom Hammond, I think you even sound better
Speaker 3: in HD.
Speaker 1: Tom, stuff like that to give you an even better
Speaker 1: idea of what two thousand and five was like on screen.
Speaker 1: By the way, I haven't seen any of the top
Speaker 1: ten movies that weekend. The Fog, Wallace and Grommet and
Speaker 1: Elizabethtown were your top three. I know a history of
Speaker 1: violence people still watch. There's I think a Wiener involved
Speaker 1: in that. One. Great top ten music wise Billboard Wise
Speaker 1: Gold Digger number one song, the ten Sugar. We're going
Speaker 1: down number ten. Oh wow, you got some David Banner,
Speaker 1: You've got two Mariah Carey songs, and I'm obviously nickel
Speaker 1: Back's photograph checking in at number three. Sure, all of
Speaker 1: the top TV shows this week in America feel like
Speaker 1: they're still on or we're on three years ago. There's
Speaker 1: a couple csis Gray's Anatomy Their Survivor sixty minutes, two
Speaker 1: and a half men. I don't think is on anymore,
Speaker 1: but was somewhat recently. I think Law and Order, the
Speaker 1: Astros beat the Or got demolished by the White Sox. Right,
Speaker 1: Avian flu was a thing. The NHL returned after their
Speaker 1: lockout and the Coleberr Report started. This is a long
Speaker 1: time ago. It doesn't feel so long because Matt Lioner
Speaker 1: and Brady Quinn and Reggie Bush are still in our lives,
Speaker 1: still on our four K TVs. It's a long ass
Speaker 1: time ago.
Speaker 2: Ty.
Speaker 3: Can I talk about something else, please, pertaining to the broadcast? Yeah,
Speaker 3: I want to talk about the old Notre Dame on
Speaker 3: NBC intro score Ty.
Speaker 1: Even before that, though, do you know what the first
Speaker 1: words of the broadcast I watched were? And like the
Speaker 1: most stereotypical Notre Dame, like tropy, nonsense, The year was
Speaker 1: nineteen twenties six. I'm not Yeah, I think we watched exaggeration.
Speaker 1: They went through the history of it, and when they're
Speaker 1: taking the train out to la and it was the
Speaker 1: year is nineteen twenty seven. Nod Rockney's wife told them
Speaker 1: to do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, I watched it too, Blas. Yeah, I want
Speaker 3: the oral history on how NBC came up with that
Speaker 3: old intro score, because again, not to go too much
Speaker 3: back to the live feed that people probably can't access anymore.
Speaker 3: But we did do a chat on Instagram where we
Speaker 3: talked about the early days of Notre Dame on NBC
Speaker 3: and how one of the complaints from non Notre Dame fans,
Speaker 3: even some Notre Dame fans, was that it was a
Speaker 3: little too homery.
Speaker 1: Like watching the game on Notre Dame dot edu, the
Speaker 1: Notre Dame network.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's like they didn't want to be too
Speaker 3: over the top, but they wanted to get Notre Dame
Speaker 3: fans fired up.
Speaker 1: Sure, so they just borrowed like three and a.
Speaker 3: Half notes from the Notre Dame fight song and they blended
Speaker 3: it in with the rest of the music, so it
Speaker 3: wasn't too over the top. But then then it's like
Speaker 3: they listened back and they're like, we need to make
Speaker 3: people feel dangerous again. We need to make this older
Speaker 3: fan base feel dangerous. Yeah, And it's at that point,
Speaker 3: Dan that I can only imagine they made some guitarist's
Speaker 3: career and said, can you add a little bit.
Speaker 1: Of dream theater there?
Speaker 4: Can give me just a little bit of a guitar riff,
Speaker 4: maybe a little California dreams tie just they borrowed the
Speaker 4: t NBC band. Just a little bit of just a
Speaker 4: little riff for me here, and that's how you get this.
Speaker 1: Wait for it, wait for it, Just wait a little longer.
Speaker 1: Here we go. Oh God, way up the fret horn.
Speaker 3: I gotta play it one more time. Just listen to this, please.
Speaker 3: Some guy got really into this girations.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's probably the John tash Nick Saban guitar.
Speaker 1: It could be. Here we go, here we go, listen
Speaker 1: to that. It has to be.
Speaker 3: They don't use that anymore. They can't. Somewhere in the
Speaker 3: rock and roll Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: Dan hold on, do we think this is Tesh? It
Speaker 1: could be, Well, he did NBC NBA on NBC his
Speaker 1: it was I think what Entertainment Tonight was syndicated. No,
Speaker 1: he definitely has an NBC Sports connection with musical intros. True.
Speaker 1: I think there's at least a thirty five percent chance
Speaker 1: it's Tesh and Tesh's band. There is a non zero
Speaker 1: chance that that's Tosh. Yeah, I think it's a robust chance.
Speaker 1: I'm looking this up now, but yeah, it's it's killer.
Speaker 3: They really went for it with that intro, and I
Speaker 3: totally forgot about it, to say the least. But it
Speaker 3: set the stage for every Notre Dame game, and this
Speaker 3: is a big one to watch it back. I mean,
Speaker 3: everyone was fired up. Tom Hammond sounded a little more
Speaker 3: pre programmed than usual, which was a welcome edition. It's
Speaker 3: been a while since I've had Tom Hammond in my life.
Speaker 3: And you know, we're going to talk a little bit
Speaker 3: more about the game here momentarily when we bring Yogi on.
Speaker 3: He's actually part of the coaching element of this game,
Speaker 3: so he can give us a little bit more detail
Speaker 3: than you know, maybe I could from the stands, or
Speaker 3: you could from your television. But certainly a great game,
Speaker 3: an awesome fourth quarter thirty four to thirty one was
Speaker 3: the final here. USC needed some heroics in the final
Speaker 3: two minutes to pull this one out, a long pass
Speaker 3: to Dwayne Jarrett which happened right in front of me.
Speaker 3: The Bush push, obviously a controversial moment in the history
Speaker 3: of college football, but nonetheless one that extended USC's winning
Speaker 3: streak at the time. It was twenty seven extended to
Speaker 3: twenty eight, and we know where it played out from
Speaker 3: there obviously played out in Pasadena. One of the all
Speaker 3: time great college football championship games, just college football games
Speaker 3: in general, roll between USC and Texas.
Speaker 1: Texas won that game to win the national championship. I
Speaker 1: have breaking.
Speaker 5: News, breaking news.
Speaker 1: She was Tesh. I can I confirmed it. John Tesh
Speaker 1: did college football and NBC parenthetically Notre Dame football. Oh God,
Speaker 1: that cheapens it. Oh, I think it makes it so
Speaker 1: much better. That was freaking Tesh. Are you kidding? Almost
Speaker 1: assuredly that was Nick saving guitarist.
Speaker 3: Damn hell yeah, that is some research here, that's off
Speaker 3: season research.
Speaker 1: That's Wikipedia, baby, that was Tesh. Yeah, that was Tesh.
Speaker 1: Get the hell out. Okay, yeah, now we know breaking news.
Speaker 3: That's perfect, no problem, all right, So do you want
Speaker 3: to get into this actual game. Let's talk about the
Speaker 3: actual football Let's let's talk about the actual football game.
Speaker 1: Dan went back.
Speaker 3: I was able to find something on YouTube. It sounds
Speaker 3: like it was the same clip, and I came away
Speaker 3: I think impressed by what I saw from Notre Dame
Speaker 3: and this.
Speaker 1: You have a surprise tone to your voice.
Speaker 3: Well, I do, because Notre Dame's defense was I think
Speaker 3: the big liability going into this football game. They were
Speaker 3: certainly not the best against the run. They were even
Speaker 3: worse against the pass, and that was a problem against
Speaker 3: USC because they got Reggie Bush who was in the
Speaker 3: midst of his own Heisman campaign. You've got Matt Liner,
Speaker 3: who already won one, and it's you got to pick
Speaker 3: your poison. Notre Dame, I thought, did a really good
Speaker 3: job with its front seven getting some pressure against a
Speaker 3: really good offensive line. Had a lot of future pros
Speaker 3: in that offensive line. They did a good job bringing
Speaker 3: pressure against Matt Liner. They did enough to kind of
Speaker 3: keep the offense in it and when the offense had
Speaker 3: the ball, I actually thought their game plan was pretty clever.
Speaker 3: They tried to milk the crap out of the clock.
Speaker 3: They overwhelmed USC when it came to time of possession.
Speaker 3: They just tried to keep that sc offense off the field,
Speaker 3: and as a result, the sc offense didn't get nearly
Speaker 3: their normal amount of offense in terms of yards. I
Speaker 3: think they were what six oh one in average offensive output, right,
Speaker 3: They didn't get anywhere close to that in this football
Speaker 3: game because Notre Dame just kept them off the field,
Speaker 3: so at least to that extent, I felt like, even
Speaker 3: though I wasn't privy to any coaching stuff, I felt
Speaker 3: as if the game plan was effective and they were
Speaker 3: able to keep themselves in the game until you know,
Speaker 3: the last however many seconds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, usc, I don't think they didn't get to five
Speaker 1: hundred yards, but they were still pretty efficient thanks to
Speaker 1: some bigger plays. And they both came out pretty slow,
Speaker 1: which is understandable in a huge game. The flow was
Speaker 1: was pretty uneven, I would say watching this game, Notre
Speaker 1: Dame started out really cold, but they had a couple
Speaker 1: of chunk plays. The probably the best offensive play of
Speaker 1: the game in terms of just steely confidence, Brady Quinn
Speaker 1: to Jeff Samarga for a touchdown sort of a jump ball,
Speaker 1: the perfect read, a great throw, a great catch. But
Speaker 1: in terms of what Notre Dame was actually able to do,
Speaker 1: this was not an efficient Notre Dame offense. No, they
Speaker 1: just sort of had a game plan to nickel and
Speaker 1: dime and hope for the best, and they sort of
Speaker 1: had a number of points. I guess both quarterbacks tried
Speaker 1: to give the game away. They both had two bad interceptions,
Speaker 1: one of which was I think one or both of
Speaker 1: Brady Quinn's were tipped. It was a tipped flea flicker.
Speaker 1: I believe that Keith Rivers ended up interception and intercepting
Speaker 1: sort of floating down in the middle of the field.
Speaker 1: But I came away surprised that both quarterbacks were more
Speaker 1: underwhelming than I remembered. Yeah, I loved Matt Liner, and
Speaker 1: I remember being so impressed with Brady Quinn thinking, oh,
Speaker 1: this guy's both the guys are sure thing pro success stories. Yep. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And it turns out, and I guess smartly for both
Speaker 1: of these teams, they just sort of got the ball
Speaker 1: to some talented guys and made smart decisions and won
Speaker 1: close games more often than not, USC blowing out more teams,
Speaker 1: certainly the better program around this time. But for what
Speaker 1: Notre Dame did for them to be in this game,
Speaker 1: I thought was all on the back of Brady Quinn,
Speaker 1: good and bad like he really he in the offensive line,
Speaker 1: I would say they struggled with USC pressure pretty much
Speaker 1: the entire game until the end when USC started sending
Speaker 1: extra guys. He really took a lot of abuse, but
Speaker 1: he was also the guy who gutted out essentially the
Speaker 1: comeback after a nothing second half offensively from Notre Dame
Speaker 1: in terms of scoring points.
Speaker 3: No, it's one hundred percent true, and I believe it
Speaker 3: was either Pat Hayden or Tom Hammond. One of the
Speaker 3: bouncers referred to him as all day tough Brady Quinn, right, and.
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. I mean it.
Speaker 3: So much of this came down to him. He was
Speaker 3: tight early in that game, and his deep ball left
Speaker 3: a lot to be desired. But as the game wore on,
Speaker 3: and certainly on that last drive when he scampered in
Speaker 3: for a touchdown, he was three of three, made some
Speaker 3: big throws. I wonder why, in hindsight they didn't just
Speaker 3: lob every pass up to Jeff Samarja. I was wondering
Speaker 3: the same thing, Ty, you know, like Jeff Samarja watching back,
Speaker 3: I guess I didn't appreciate him in the moment the
Speaker 3: way I feel like I did yesterday when I watched
Speaker 3: the game, like he was so good. He was so
Speaker 3: much bigger than anyone trying to cover him. He caught
Speaker 3: every ball with his hands, and he was just a
Speaker 3: beast to try and man up. They had such a
Speaker 3: matchup disadvantage not just with him, but with Maurice Stoveall
Speaker 3: who was also six y five, wasn't nearly the caliber
Speaker 3: the receiver but had justin marsh that season though, but
Speaker 3: had really big games, had a good year. And also
Speaker 3: Anthony Fasano Anthony Fasano, NFL tight end, also six', five
Speaker 3: had a huge fumble late in the third quarter in this,
Speaker 3: game which had he not fumbled and Had Notre dame
Speaker 3: gotten some, points perhaps this outcome would have been a
Speaker 3: little bit. Different but between those three guys like there
Speaker 3: aren't a whole lot of college, programs maybe not EVEN,
Speaker 3: usc who can cover three high caliber players who are
Speaker 3: six to.
Speaker 1: Five the counterpoint, is if the philosophy is milk the,
Speaker 1: clock if you're throwing incomplete passes and they're, not, yeah
Speaker 1: sure they're not moving the ball before those incomplete, passes
Speaker 1: you're giving the ball back pretty. Quickly and that THAT
Speaker 1: usc offensive, line even with as good as THE us
Speaker 1: The Notre dame defensive, front looked in that game and
Speaker 1: pretty much all you is a Good Notre dame, defense
Speaker 1: you're changing the tenor of that. Game SO i would
Speaker 1: have thought that they would have CHALLENGED, usc especially because
Speaker 1: outside Of Darnell bing this was not a particularly GOOD usc,
Speaker 1: secondary you, know all things, considered compared TO i guess
Speaker 1: OTHER usc secondaries during this. Era but this was as
Speaker 1: we Saw vince youngdu late in the, year as we
Speaker 1: saw a number of quarterbacks do this. Season they were,
Speaker 1: vulnerable and the problem Was Brady quinn's LINE i don't
Speaker 1: think could protect him long enough to go through progressions
Speaker 1: and go. Downfield because even sending, five there were you,
Speaker 1: KNOW usc was putting out corner, blitzes they were rushing a,
Speaker 1: linebacker they were doing you, know double a gap. Blitzes
Speaker 1: he just didn't have the. Time SO i get, IT
Speaker 1: i suppose from The Notre dame. Perspective BUT i was
Speaker 1: watching this game AND i was, Like Notre dame has
Speaker 1: a single dude on. Offense all all due respect to
Speaker 1: a Gutty Brady, quinn what's the running? Back they had
Speaker 1: two running Back Varius walker And Travis. Thomas, yeah and
Speaker 1: respect To Maury stovall And Anthony. Fasano there were good
Speaker 1: players across His Notre dame. Offense the one dude Was
Speaker 1: samarsha AND i was surprised they didn't more successfully get
Speaker 1: the ball to him and he had a big. Game,
Speaker 1: yeah oh, Yeah but REALLY i was surprised That Notre
Speaker 1: dame went with so, many you, know jumbo, packages essentially
Speaker 1: putting seven eight guys on the line of scrimmage and
Speaker 1: trying to uh to gut out three four yards at a.
Speaker 3: Time and let's be, Clear samarja had fifteen touchdowns that
Speaker 3: year and over twelve hundred yards, receiving could have.
Speaker 1: Very easily been AN nfl.
Speaker 3: Receiver instead went to play, baseball where he made one
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty two million.
Speaker 1: Dollars so he's pretty.
Speaker 3: Good you could say he chose wisely from a financial,
Speaker 3: standpoint and you, know it's been a good picture. There
Speaker 3: we won't go into his baseball, accolades but that on the,
Speaker 3: rewatch it was a lot of, short high percentage. Stuff
Speaker 3: they were trying to keep the clock. Moving it was
Speaker 3: clear that that was part of the game. Plan maybe
Speaker 3: not the primary game, plan but a part of.
Speaker 1: It for.
Speaker 3: SURE i would have loved to have seen a little
Speaker 3: bit More jeff samarj just lob it up to. Him
Speaker 3: even if it's not the best, throw he was good
Speaker 3: enough to go up and get.
Speaker 1: It two. Time blitnikoff Finalist Jeff Samarja Brady quinn with
Speaker 1: an unbelievable ability to throw a pass nearly straight up
Speaker 1: when Going he threw a fade from like the twelve
Speaker 1: yard line that may have gone forty five yards up
Speaker 1: directly at the.
Speaker 3: Air, yeah directly put it like A harrier, jet directly.
Speaker 1: Up it went. Like the ability for him to put
Speaker 1: as little touch on the ball as possible was impressive
Speaker 1: in its own. Way who are the dudes on the
Speaker 1: other side of the, ball either For Notre dame on
Speaker 1: defense or FOR usc in?
Speaker 3: General to, you, well do we want to talk About Reggie?
Speaker 3: BUSH i think we should talk ABOUT i think it
Speaker 3: is so clear on the rewatch that the best player
Speaker 3: on the field Is Reggie. Bush AND i, know, like
Speaker 3: if you're listening to this, now you're, thinking, well obviously
Speaker 3: He's Reggie. Bush but to go back and rewatch, This
Speaker 3: Reggie bush is so good in this football. Game it's
Speaker 3: it's abundantly clear that there's no one else in the
Speaker 3: field even remotely.
Speaker 1: Close. Yeah the fact THAT usc was thought of to
Speaker 1: be creative on offense with the way they Used Reggie,
Speaker 1: bush and you actually watched the game with twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: eyes and there's just a lot Of, YEAH i, guess
Speaker 1: but why not much? More why not much? More Reggie?
Speaker 1: Bush why aren't there all sorts of little flare. Screens
Speaker 1: why isn't he going out for routes with linebackers on
Speaker 1: him all the, time or safeties, Whatever why isn't, he you,
Speaker 1: know just a thread on every? Play and they RAN usc,
Speaker 1: themselves ran a lot of, six, seven eight guys on
Speaker 1: the line and with the full, back And Matt linert
Speaker 1: made an all time terrible throw to what he thought
Speaker 1: was a wide open wheel route to a full back
Speaker 1: and through just the easiest interception perhaps in the history
Speaker 1: Of Notre dame. Football but it was surprising they had
Speaker 1: a reverse for him, late they had some screen action for,
Speaker 1: him but it was so abundantly clear that just this
Speaker 1: should have Been Jeff samarja Versus Reggie. Bush AND i
Speaker 1: think it missed the mark on what it could have.
Speaker 1: Been but that's twenty twenty, eyes, ty that is one
Speaker 1: hundred percent twenty twenty. Eyes on, Defense darnell bing was
Speaker 1: everywhere FOR. Usc Keith rivers really. GOOD i think he
Speaker 1: had a recovered, fumble he had the, Interception there was
Speaker 1: a defensive. LINEMAN i think he was number ninety. EIGHT
Speaker 1: i don't have the roster in front of me For
Speaker 1: Notre dame who had the sack On Matt lioner after
Speaker 1: being knocked down by an offensive. Lineman do you know
Speaker 1: What i'm talking? About, yeah like two plays before The
Speaker 1: Dwayne jarrett play right the, game he Sacks Matt lionerd
Speaker 1: on like USC's nine yard. Line is That Derek? Landry
Speaker 1: maybe it could have. BEEN i don't, KNOW i don't
Speaker 1: have the. Roster i'll go back and. Check, yeah, yeah
Speaker 1: that Was that was a dude. Play that was a
Speaker 1: dude effort that should have won the game essentially For Notre.
Speaker 1: Dame unfortunately For irish fans it. Didn't BUT i came
Speaker 1: away surprised THAT i also again Thought Matt lionert And
Speaker 1: Brady quinn were, better AND i know there were other
Speaker 1: games where they were definitely, Better AND i know they
Speaker 1: were both playing against tough, defenses AND i know that
Speaker 1: they're not playing in modern versions of the. Spread they
Speaker 1: did not have any arm.
Speaker 3: Talent Trevor Trevor, Laws Trevor, laws there you, Are Trevor.
Speaker 1: Laws they. Missed both of these teams missed a lot
Speaker 1: that was given to. Them that was. There be it,
Speaker 1: drops be it. OVERTHROWS i was surprised that two guys
Speaker 1: who were taken in the first, round who were for
Speaker 1: the most part rightfully, lauded they missed a.
Speaker 3: Lot, yeah game, well and, hey both teams really both.
Speaker 1: Teams, Hell i'm saying Both lionard And Brady.
Speaker 3: Quinn both both teams had plenty of chances to win
Speaker 3: that football. Game and you know only one, did but
Speaker 3: both of, them for. Sure it was out. There there
Speaker 3: were a bunch of opportunities that were left on the,
Speaker 3: table and it's part of what makes this game one
Speaker 3: of the greats because it was so, dead even the
Speaker 3: whole way through was. Dead even it was back and
Speaker 3: forth right down to the final. Wire you're just a
Speaker 3: mess in the, stands, right an absolute mess in the.
Speaker 3: Stands and not to mention that when you're in the
Speaker 3: stands at a football. Game Notre Dame, stadium at least
Speaker 3: at the, time was not the easiest stadium in which
Speaker 3: to stay informed because they didn't have like the electronics
Speaker 3: were just not on the level of other stadium. Right
Speaker 3: it's not Like Beaver stadium where you've got a massive
Speaker 3: board that you can look at, like, no It's Notre dame.
Speaker 3: Stadium it still had that, old crappy. Scoreboard you have
Speaker 3: no idea what's going.
Speaker 1: On you can't. See we didn't have the greatest seats
Speaker 1: in the. World they were.
Speaker 3: Good we were in the, stadium we were happy to be,
Speaker 3: there but we didn't know that final. Sequence we had
Speaker 3: no idea what was going. On it wasn't until after
Speaker 3: the fact that we saw the highlights we actually understood
Speaker 3: the sequencing and how things broke. Down but, no you
Speaker 3: just didn't. Know and because of, that it was very
Speaker 3: emotional in the, stands a lot of high, fives a
Speaker 3: lot of curse words being yelled, out even In Notre Dame. Stadium,
Speaker 3: yes and truly one of the greatest Experiences i've had
Speaker 3: just as a sports, fan being in that stadium trying
Speaker 3: to decipher what the hell is going. On should also
Speaker 3: Mention Tom's, Abkowski absolute. Dude Tom's ibkowski played out of
Speaker 3: his mind in that. Game he ran back a punt.
Speaker 1: Yep he was got beat a couple, times but never
Speaker 1: for touchdown like he was BEAT i think By Steve
Speaker 1: smith on a play action. Play but they were able
Speaker 1: to make the play was not a house, call just
Speaker 1: knew the right.
Speaker 3: Angles, yeah play played really gritty in that football. Game
Speaker 3: Ambrose Wooden.
Speaker 1: Wes welker, type Gritty Wes, welker.
Speaker 3: Gritty West What, Yeah Ambrose, wooden who was the CORNER
Speaker 3: i believe got beat By Dwayne jarrett on that notable
Speaker 3: pass play on the final.
Speaker 1: Sequence there.
Speaker 3: Had a bunch of big plays leading up to that,
Speaker 3: moment you, know where he would track a guy down
Speaker 3: from behind and prevent a scoring play or.
Speaker 1: Something they stuck with the receivers really. WELL i don't
Speaker 1: know if that was, unexpected but The Notre dame SECONDARY
Speaker 1: i thought did an admirable job.
Speaker 3: One hundred and fifth in passing yards allowed per. Game that,
Speaker 3: defense and to go toe to toe WITH usc the
Speaker 3: way they, DID i you, KNOW usc had big chunk,
Speaker 3: plays as you said, earlier and they certainly were the better,
Speaker 3: team the more talented team out. There But Notre dame's
Speaker 3: defense should just. Enough they did enough to kind of
Speaker 3: keep that game. Close and if not for that final
Speaker 3: incredible drive BY, usc they would have.
Speaker 1: Won, Yeah and if not for the final drive For Notre,
Speaker 1: dame they would have lost bigger because that was winning.
Speaker 1: TIME i don't know if it was A Brady quinn
Speaker 1: fourth quarter comeback type thing mentality in his, head but
Speaker 1: the drive he put, TOGETHER i think he had like
Speaker 1: three or four passes that went for over fifteen yards
Speaker 1: leading up to the fourth quarter or that final drive
Speaker 1: For Notre, dame and then it was just stick after
Speaker 1: stick after. Stick and there was the one player where
Speaker 1: he was running to his left and sort of threw
Speaker 1: it at the last second he lobbed it over A
Speaker 1: usc player to complete a first. Down that was an incredible.
Speaker 1: Play there was a lot of what ifs in the,
Speaker 1: game as there are in many big games and even little.
Speaker 1: GAMES i came, AWAY i think just impressed with what
Speaker 1: that fourth quarter was that overshadowed the rest of everything
Speaker 1: to ME i. Had And i've voiced some negative thoughts
Speaker 1: about some of the stall drives and sort of what
Speaker 1: seems through twenty twenty eyes Of tuce play calling and
Speaker 1: just architecture of the, offense which isn't fair to that.
Speaker 1: Time BUT i got in the, rewatch and we can
Speaker 1: talk about the broadcast itself. HERE i was eighty six
Speaker 1: percent as excited AS i was WHEN i didn't know
Speaker 1: what was going to, happen and that's a testament to
Speaker 1: how great that ending. Was it was a really good. Ending,
Speaker 1: yeah the fourth quarter is up there up here with still.
Speaker 1: Best does that game in some part of your brain
Speaker 1: remain in protest because of technically illegal push at the
Speaker 1: end of the, Game.
Speaker 3: No, no it doesn't because it for as close as
Speaker 3: the game was and first time.
Speaker 1: Illegal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah and, sure for as many chances AS i
Speaker 3: Felt Notre dame, had it didn't have to come down
Speaker 3: to that.
Speaker 1: Play, no they had.
Speaker 3: OPPORTUNITIES i mentioned The fasano, fumble but there were. Others
Speaker 3: there were other plays that were out there And Notre
Speaker 3: dame wasn't able to take. Advantage so you, know it
Speaker 3: shouldn't have come down to that play to begin. With
Speaker 3: and let's be, Honest Notre dame was ninth going into that.
Speaker 1: GAME usc was.
Speaker 3: Number one and riding a huge winning streak twenty seven. Games,
Speaker 3: yeah anything just to be close to me felt like.
Speaker 3: GRAVY i didn't expect That Notre dame was going to
Speaker 3: win that, game SO i think it was a little
Speaker 3: easier to, reconcile just for me as a, fan, again
Speaker 3: knowing that this was still probably a much more talented.
Speaker 3: Team it didn't feel good knowing That Notre dame lost to,
Speaker 3: him but at the same, time it wasn't in. PROTEST
Speaker 3: i still felt LIKE usc was the better of the two.
Speaker 3: TEAMS i did like That Notre.
Speaker 1: Dame there is a section Of Notre dame's playbook that
Speaker 1: was probably labeled different kinds of sneaks for a different.
Speaker 1: Situation Brady quinn ran the ball thirteen times in this.
Speaker 1: Game they they he. Did they had like a third
Speaker 1: and four from their own twenty and they did like
Speaker 1: a quick sneak and then they went for it on
Speaker 1: fourth and one from their own like twenty four for
Speaker 1: the first down ballsy stupid works, right it was he.
Speaker 1: Stupid they were. Running they were Running Brady quinn on
Speaker 1: a number of third. Downs AND i don't know if
Speaker 1: that was a lack of confidence in his arm or
Speaker 1: the offensive line or receivers getting open quickly enough against
Speaker 1: THE usc. Defense but, yeah he had like this this
Speaker 1: weird fake slant and then he would take. Off he
Speaker 1: would sort of tuck and that that converted like a
Speaker 1: third and. Five, yeah it. Was there was a definite
Speaker 1: element to this game plan that Involved Brady quinn tucks
Speaker 1: it or pushes the line forward as best as he.
Speaker 3: Can, yeah like maybe they saw something where the line
Speaker 3: was over committeeing and they tried to take advantage of
Speaker 3: that in short yardage.
Speaker 1: SITUATIONS i don't, know but.
Speaker 3: For sure like they were just with the running game in. General,
Speaker 3: Again Notre dame ran the ball fifty two times here
Speaker 3: two point nine yards per, carry so not at all.
Speaker 3: Efficient but if you watched each play in a, vacuum
Speaker 3: and if you were not able to connect it to
Speaker 3: the larger game, plan which AGAIN i think was to
Speaker 3: try and drain the clock against a better, offense keep
Speaker 3: them off the, field you could have convinced yourself that
Speaker 3: this was a video game Where Charlie wise was just
Speaker 3: trying to run the.
Speaker 1: Ball as much as.
Speaker 3: Possible, yes you, know like it didn't feel all that,
Speaker 3: balanced at least not early on in this. Game watching
Speaker 3: the way that he called the, game it was.
Speaker 1: A SimCity of a game plan built entirely out of
Speaker 1: modest residential. Housing. Exactly, YEAH i need the adage That
Speaker 1: Bill connelly A espn just in terms of what metric
Speaker 1: wins you the most, Games and you, know people point
Speaker 1: to turn over, margin and that's certainly one of the
Speaker 1: best ways to win a game by winning the turnover,
Speaker 1: margin but generating and stopping explosive plays is the metric
Speaker 1: that he has found most likely determines the outcome of a.
Speaker 1: Game IN usc won that.
Speaker 3: Metric so what was your general takeaway from watching this
Speaker 3: game now fifteen years? Later it both played out faster
Speaker 3: and slower because of no attempt at tempo and running
Speaker 3: as many plays as humanly, possible not throwing as many
Speaker 3: passes as probably either program would if it were twenty, sixteen, seventeen,
Speaker 3: eighteen nineteen, twenty the number of jumbo sets that both
Speaker 3: of these teams, ran considering they had quarterbacks who were,
Speaker 3: very very successful with very very good. RECEIVERS i was
Speaker 3: surprised at, HOW i, mean don't drink every TIME i
Speaker 3: say twenty twenty, eyes but how sort of old school
Speaker 3: for as as good as these programs were on offense
Speaker 3: and became on, offense how three yards in a cloud
Speaker 3: of dust they were willing to Accept that was weird to.
Speaker 1: Me but also. Huddles huddles are weird to.
Speaker 3: Me, now, well it's funny you say, that because my
Speaker 3: takeaway was that this GREAT usc, team this ICONIC usc, team,
Speaker 3: yeah would get bombed By. Clemson oh, yeah bombed By
Speaker 3: Joe burrow AND lsu OR tu In. Alabama it is
Speaker 3: such a different, era and it's really in the not
Speaker 3: so distant.
Speaker 1: Past, no and in this, listen it's in the last fifteen.
Speaker 1: Years the ability and the ability to scout and recruit
Speaker 1: and find guys online and watch way more tape than
Speaker 1: usual and better. Quality different, universe totally different, universe totally different.
Speaker 1: Universe so the, talent and this was interesting to me
Speaker 1: BECAUSE i went back and looked at the recruiting. Classes at,
Speaker 1: least however much you believe in total depth of talent
Speaker 1: having to do with team, SUCCESS usc was a lot
Speaker 1: more talented Than Notre dame near the end of The
Speaker 1: Ty willingham era in that First Charlie weis's recruiting. Class
Speaker 1: this was a pro pro finishing with classes in the, twenties, thirties,
Speaker 1: whatever AS usc was putting together top, three, four top,
Speaker 1: one if you believe certain recruiting, sites recruiting. Classes this
Speaker 1: was a much more TALENTED usc team Than Notre dames.
Speaker 1: Was and so with that, talent if we are going
Speaker 1: to push that team into the modern, ERA i am
Speaker 1: positive THIS usc team could compete with, anybody but what
Speaker 1: they look like schematically on, Offense you're, like, no this
Speaker 1: isn't this isn't. Working this is your maybe getting the
Speaker 1: best of What stanford has, been but not what the
Speaker 1: recent best Of, Clemson ALABAMA lco has.
Speaker 3: Been fair, Enough so general takeaways on the broadcast quickly
Speaker 3: before we get to our.
Speaker 1: GUEST i thought it was, FINE b PLUS B b.
Speaker 1: PLUS i didn't take exception with any of what the
Speaker 1: announcers had to. Say most of the, TIME i got
Speaker 1: a lot of, replay WHICH i was relieved. ABOUT i
Speaker 1: didn't know if we going to see multiple.
Speaker 3: Again by the, Way by the, way interesting, Factoid yeah
Speaker 3: that interested more than Just Tom hammond in this. Game
Speaker 3: given the rules at the, time the visiting team got
Speaker 3: to choose whether or not they'd have replay at their,
Speaker 3: disposal and oh, Interesting Pete carroll decided against.
Speaker 1: It, OH i was saying JUST tv, Broadcast.
Speaker 3: No, NO i, know But i'm saying from from the actual,
Speaker 3: game wow and a standpoint of on.
Speaker 1: Field, Yeah Pete carroll chose not to have. REPLAY i
Speaker 1: Thought Tom hammond was was good. ENOUGH i Thought Pat
Speaker 1: hayden was good. ENOUGH i thought the angles were good
Speaker 1: enough for the most, part AND i just missed the
Speaker 1: theme song desperately and. Forever now it's funny you should say.
Speaker 1: That just wait for, It just wait for the the
Speaker 1: tesh here it is right. Here, wow it's one crazy
Speaker 1: if only the The Notre dame band had the foresight
Speaker 1: to just play that. Song yeahftime and wheel owed a guitar.
Speaker 1: Soloist NO i. WAS i was pleasantly. Surprised even though
Speaker 1: it was sixty four percent to, HOMERY i was still
Speaker 1: pleasantly surprised with the broadcast. ITSELF i thought they did
Speaker 1: a good. JOB i really.
Speaker 3: Did not a huge fan Of Tom, hammond had never,
Speaker 3: been BUT i thought he did a really good job
Speaker 3: in this. Game And Pat hayden was better THAN i,
Speaker 3: remembered you, know was was doing a really good job
Speaker 3: up there as.
Speaker 1: Well so one of those games.
Speaker 3: That for sure will carry on in memory forever because
Speaker 3: not just for the fourth, quarter but the circumstances around the,
Speaker 3: game just a ton of fun the whole.
Speaker 1: Way can we do can we do one of those
Speaker 1: postscripts what happened? After for? Everybody like at The end
Speaker 1: of The sandlot or a bunch of movies Like, Yeah
Speaker 1: benny The. Jet rodriguez went on to set records for
Speaker 1: The dodgers and winked at the guy calling the game
Speaker 1: in the booth.
Speaker 3: Who still wears his old Fishing this is part of
Speaker 3: why The fox pregame show is a little weird for,
Speaker 3: me because It's Brady, Quinn Reggie, bush And Matt lionard
Speaker 3: all on the same. Set, true they are all. Friends
Speaker 3: they are all each other's god parents for their. Children
Speaker 3: that's not true to my, knowledge but it is, strange
Speaker 3: but it's. Good it's good that you get this sort
Speaker 3: of full circleness to. Everything, Spoiler Charlie weiss did not
Speaker 3: work out At Notre.
Speaker 1: Dame no didn' Where Reggie bush's legacy AT usc is.
Speaker 1: Complicated Brady quinn And Matt liner didn't necessarily work out
Speaker 1: AS nfl. Quarterbacks BUT usc is still chasing the ghost
Speaker 1: Of Pete, carroll and that's Something Notre dame in the long.
Speaker 1: TERM i don't know if you would say That Notre
Speaker 1: dame has, won but they've been a more stable program
Speaker 1: since the end of The Charlie weiss. Era, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: oh one hundred, percent which is very strange to, say
Speaker 1: considering what was going on into this, game the five
Speaker 1: years going into this game where it's just this slow
Speaker 1: rise FOR usc and just trying to pick their pets
Speaker 1: heads off the ground At Notre dame should mention just
Speaker 1: BECAUSE i like my. Nuggies the Former Notre dame athletic
Speaker 1: Director Kevin white his history At Notre, dame as far
Speaker 1: AS i can, TELL i don't know if he Hired Bob,
Speaker 1: davey but he Gave Bob davey an. Extension he then
Speaker 1: tried to Hire georgia, O'Leary didn't work, out Hired Ty,
Speaker 1: willingham Hired Charlie, weiss Gave Charlie weiss an extension that
Speaker 1: lasted let's call it six years after he was let
Speaker 1: go from the university where he would collect this incredible.
Speaker 1: CHECK i think Every. Christmas and now he is the
Speaker 1: athletic DIRECTOR i believe At duke so he is still
Speaker 1: a working athletic. Director And Ty, willingham even though he
Speaker 1: made way For Charlie, weiss went To, washington AND i
Speaker 1: assume that all worked out really. Well he got a
Speaker 1: vote of confidence from Then Washington President Mark. Emmerts so
Speaker 1: Everything I'm i'm sure is fine In, Seattle No Notre.
Speaker 1: Dame in terms of, stability they probably came out on,
Speaker 1: top but they have not come close to WHAT usc
Speaker 1: was able to accomplish in this. Era all, Right, ty and,
Speaker 1: now in the interest of equal, time we spent a
Speaker 1: lot of time in the intro of this show talking
Speaker 1: about your emotions as A Notre dame, fan the roller
Speaker 1: coaster OF i would say some disappointment in the years
Speaker 1: leading up TO Usc Notre dame two thousand and. Five
Speaker 1: the thing is WITH usc leading up to this, game
Speaker 1: it was. Gravy it was good times all. Around and
Speaker 1: since we have you as an emotional, Stakeholder, TIE i
Speaker 1: think we'd need a professional stakeholder on the other side
Speaker 1: of things for equal. Time Yogi, roth who wore a
Speaker 1: number of hats FOR usc at this. Time HE i,
Speaker 1: mean in today's, PARLANCE i guess he would have been
Speaker 1: an offensive. Analyst he was an offensive. Assistant he was
Speaker 1: in the booth next To Lane, kiffen who was calling
Speaker 1: the game for THE usc. Offense he got a cameo
Speaker 1: on the. Broadcasts we saw, Him we were texting it
Speaker 1: back to before see him very briefly in the booth
Speaker 1: on the broadcast in the second. Half you have to
Speaker 1: look closely for a nine year Old Yogi Roth ye
Speaker 1: in the. Booth Yogi roth of. Course now THE pac Twelve,
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Speaker 1: Show he does A pac twelve podcast With. TED i
Speaker 1: was gonna, Say Ted, Miller Ted robinson of THE pac
Speaker 1: Twelve network and they're doing a zoom show while we're
Speaker 1: all at. Home, yogi thank you for joining.
Speaker 5: Us, hey thank you for bringing back down memory.
Speaker 2: Lane. MAN i appreciate, it of.
Speaker 1: Course SO i want to get into this right. Now
Speaker 1: this was a huge. Game you were a part of
Speaker 1: a number of huge games WITH. Usc what do you
Speaker 1: remember about even just the season leading up to Mid
Speaker 1: October South, Bend.
Speaker 5: Indiana, well it was my first year Coaching, Dan so to,
Speaker 5: ME i was, like, Well i'll just coach forever and
Speaker 5: never lose a, game you. Know And PETE i had
Speaker 5: known SINCE i was, nineteen and he had become the
Speaker 5: biggest influence in my life outside of my parents at
Speaker 5: a young. Age and he would always pull me and his,
Speaker 5: son who's not the run game coordinator for The, Seahawks,
Speaker 5: brennan aside and, say, guys this is not really what.
Speaker 2: Coaching IS i really like that, Whatever like.
Speaker 5: We're In La, hollywood, undefeated go for a third Straight.
Speaker 5: NATTY i just came off of like a career At
Speaker 5: pittsburgh and. Life life was, epic you, Know and clearly
Speaker 5: that wasn't necessarily the case as you look back on that,
Speaker 5: now knowing what we all know about the, profession but
Speaker 5: that's WHAT i. Remember it was just so, special it
Speaker 5: was so. Dynamic it was unlike Anything i'd ever.
Speaker 2: Felt you.
Speaker 5: KNOW i just played for four years in college at
Speaker 5: a high, level AND sc was like a different.
Speaker 2: Stratosphere and WHAT i had come to learn is that it.
Speaker 5: Remains that like nothing in college football has ever been
Speaker 5: LIKE sc because Of Los angeles and because Of. Pete you,
Speaker 5: Know bama, Wins clemson, wins but they're doing in the
Speaker 5: middle of nowhere compared to when we were doing.
Speaker 2: It so it was. Epic.
Speaker 5: Man and then you add In Notre, dame you add
Speaker 5: In Charlie, weiss you add in all the drama around the.
Speaker 5: Rivalry Even pete would say his first year he hyped
Speaker 5: up the drama so much of the, team and then he,
Speaker 5: realized like kids at s see the, players they don't
Speaker 5: really care like they care more about THE ucla game
Speaker 5: than they do Notre dame because they grow up with
Speaker 5: all those. Kids so he was, like let me just
Speaker 5: treat it as another game versus everything that of course
Speaker 5: was building around.
Speaker 1: It what are you doing behind the scenes at this?
Speaker 1: POINT i, MEAN i know you're working with the, OFFENSE
Speaker 1: i know you're working closely with the, coordinators but what
Speaker 1: are your specific. Responsibilities is a watching? Film is it
Speaker 1: working with the guys on the practice, field is it
Speaker 1: helping to scout ahead of? Time what is it that
Speaker 1: you were?
Speaker 2: Doing?
Speaker 5: Well it was kind of fun because it was the
Speaker 5: beginning of my career. There it was the first of
Speaker 5: four straight years THAT i spent at As see and
Speaker 5: by the End i'd end up writing Coach carrol's. Book
Speaker 5: and in the, BEGINNING i was just trying to, survive you, know,
Speaker 5: literally like you, think AND i tell this to athletes
Speaker 5: all the time when they think about, coaching we think
Speaker 5: we know the game when you're, playing you. Know AND
Speaker 5: i was like the smart receiver BECAUSE i wasn't the
Speaker 5: biggest of the, fastest BUT i knew nothing compared to
Speaker 5: what you need to know when you join a coaching.
Speaker 2: Staff so THERE i was call it.
Speaker 5: Six months end of the, time and you're just doing
Speaker 5: everything That lane And stark. Said remember this was a
Speaker 5: transition of offensive, coordinators, Right Norm chow left to The,
Speaker 5: titans and then came these two thirty somethings you, Know, sarkiffion,
Speaker 5: right it was their nickname.
Speaker 2: At least dayly times at the, time.
Speaker 5: AND i was trying to do ANYTHING i could for.
Speaker 5: Them SO i was always a week ahead in terms
Speaker 5: of advanced. Scouting so you'd break down three to five
Speaker 5: games Of Notre. Dame you, know the previous week we
Speaker 5: were PLAYING asu and we had to gear up for this.
Speaker 5: One SO i was already ahead of the head of
Speaker 5: the curve a little. Bit and THEN i was the
Speaker 5: guy who drew every. Play so IF i wasn't, MOVING
Speaker 5: i literally have the call sheet from that, game but
Speaker 5: it's in the bottom of a box right, now and our,
Speaker 5: playbook and my job was to draw up every play
Speaker 5: for the offensive players and the staff with all of
Speaker 5: the notes in.
Speaker 2: It and What sark And lane did.
Speaker 5: What was brilliant is by me drawing those plays literally
Speaker 5: thousands of, times it forced me to learn it and
Speaker 5: gain some mastery around. It SO i did, that and
Speaker 5: then my responsibility was the actual call. Sheet so the
Speaker 5: thing that you'd, see you, know star colding on the
Speaker 5: sideline when you watch the game, back or What lane's
Speaker 5: looking at that was me typing until two three every.
Speaker 5: Morning you, know little, changes sell, changes you, know the
Speaker 5: wristband That liner would be. WEARING i would make and
Speaker 5: build all of the administrative, ELEMENTS i guess you would
Speaker 5: say on the offensive.
Speaker 3: Side, So, yogi you did some of the advanced. Work
Speaker 3: i'm sure on on Noted. Deam how much of what
Speaker 3: the coaches saw from your advanced scouting did they sort
Speaker 3: of put into, Practice like what did they see in
Speaker 3: that advanced scouting that they sought to exploit on game?
Speaker 2: Day?
Speaker 5: Yeah, well the advanced, scouting the thing that it does
Speaker 5: is that it just basically PHRASE i like to use
Speaker 5: is chunks.
Speaker 2: Information so it.
Speaker 5: Says, hey majority on the first down of a possession
Speaker 5: or first and ten, situation second and, ten they're playing
Speaker 5: this on, defense third and whether it's one to, three
Speaker 5: four to, six et, cetera et, cetera they're playing.
Speaker 2: This these are the bullets is they like to. Bring
Speaker 2: this is when they like to bring.
Speaker 5: Them this is a front and what it allows us
Speaker 5: to do is when you click into the next game,
Speaker 5: mode which Is, sunday Usually sunday, afternoon.
Speaker 2: He kind of have an.
Speaker 5: Idea so then when you're drawing cards or you're trying
Speaker 5: to just send out like back in the, day it
Speaker 5: would be like one piece of paper we would give
Speaker 5: to the. Quarterbacks they'd come Up sunday night and be, Like,
Speaker 5: hey these are the initial thoughts we have for first
Speaker 5: and second down in the past. Game what do you,
Speaker 5: Think Matt John? David you Know MARK i think was
Speaker 5: a freshman at the, Time Mark. Sanchez so that's what it,
Speaker 5: does kind of gives them a little head. Start but
Speaker 5: WHAT i had learned is that coaches are so anal
Speaker 5: that Like gas and young, coaches we do all this,
Speaker 5: work but it kind of like it it, matters but
Speaker 5: it kind of doesn't because coaches just trust, themselves especially play,
Speaker 5: callers so they kind of do it all. Themselves So sunday,
Speaker 5: NIGHTS i would sit In sark's office and sit next
Speaker 5: to him as he kind of redid and double checked
Speaker 5: everything to make sure that IF i called something to nerd,
Speaker 5: OUT i know you guys like to in, overfront, right
Speaker 5: which would be like the nose tackle over one side
Speaker 5: of the, center and the three the interior defensive alignment
Speaker 5: over side of the. Guard, well if they saw him
Speaker 5: moved six, inches they might call it something. Different so
Speaker 5: they were always kind of double checking those numbers to
Speaker 5: make sure they were. Right SO i think they just
Speaker 5: gave him an. Idea BUT i don't think any coach
Speaker 5: in the country is going to count on or trust
Speaker 5: like a twenty two to twenty three year old kid
Speaker 5: you give them any sort of advanced game.
Speaker 3: Plan to be, Honest, well what was the general vibe
Speaker 3: among the team going into This Notre dame. GAME i
Speaker 3: know you Said Pete carroll tried to treat it more
Speaker 3: like any other, Game but you, know this is a
Speaker 3: program that came into The Notre dame game with a
Speaker 3: twenty seven game winning. Streak there was a lot of confidence,
Speaker 3: There but generally, speaking was was it a confident? VIBE i,
Speaker 3: mean they had a bit of a scare Against Arizona
Speaker 3: state THAT i suppose could have changed confidence. Level but
Speaker 3: where was the team at going into this?
Speaker 5: Game, yeah you, know confidence WAS i still think What
Speaker 5: pete did there around our confidence and how we built
Speaker 5: it was so different than than than anybody else in
Speaker 5: the history of college, football atleast in my twenty years
Speaker 5: around this. Craft AND i say that because we didn't
Speaker 5: gain confidence.
Speaker 2: Based on how we played On.
Speaker 5: Saturday and that was like ingrained manipulated into the brains
Speaker 5: of coaches and definitely the influence influential, players which was
Speaker 5: you're going to gain your confidence practice On. Monday And
Speaker 5: pete was so good at you, know you guys have
Speaker 5: heard about, it like the days of the, week you,
Speaker 5: know tell the Truth, monday Competition, tuesday no repeat or
Speaker 5: no Turnover wednesday and no Repeat thursday and Perfect. Friday
Speaker 5: and that was basically what you just. Did and you
Speaker 5: were so ingrained and engrossed in that that you didn't
Speaker 5: really think about, like, oh, man like we Got Notre
Speaker 5: dame this, week or we got to go to Sun
Speaker 5: Devil stadium this, Week like we didn't really. Care and
Speaker 5: it was interesting because here we are as. COACHES i,
Speaker 5: know specifically for, ME i grew up A Notre dame.
Speaker 5: Fan ALL i want to do is go. THERE i
Speaker 5: went to pit Because Notre dame turned me. Down like
Speaker 5: as sad as that is to, say So i'm here
Speaker 5: thinking about this, rival like, Hey Dwayne steve Like, matt
Speaker 5: like you kidding, Me like, yes aren't juiced up LIKE i?
Speaker 5: Am and they were just like, this and you got
Speaker 5: to give them credit for.
Speaker 2: That and that is All. Pete that was all this.
Speaker 5: Psychology, now with that, said all the coaches we knew
Speaker 5: was that what was at, stake the players knew what
Speaker 5: was at stake in terms of if you. Lose you,
Speaker 5: know at that era of college, football you were kind
Speaker 5: of outside looking in at a national championship. Opportunity so
Speaker 5: guys knew that and they felt. That but we knew
Speaker 5: that we escaped the previous, week but we also knew
Speaker 5: that we really hurt ourselves in that. Game and you
Speaker 5: go back and watch. It the first half was super.
Speaker 2: Hot nobody was.
Speaker 5: Prayed it was the Hottest i'd ever been in my.
Speaker 5: Life you, know coming From, pennsylvania we weren't prepared for.
Speaker 5: That but we came out to just kick the daylights
Speaker 5: out of them in the second. Half and we knew
Speaker 5: knew that we were the most talented team in the
Speaker 5: country and if we just, executed we would win and
Speaker 5: we would dominate.
Speaker 2: Teams and we knew it wouldn't be easy to get
Speaker 2: everybody's best.
Speaker 5: Shot but our confidence never was never really a, Question
Speaker 5: like even when we lost To texas that, year like
Speaker 5: confidence was still through the. Roof and that's all About
Speaker 5: pete of trying to just he really just made everybody
Speaker 5: realize that confidence is something that comes from your own
Speaker 5: self talk versus what other people are.
Speaker 1: Saying on the. Field Against Notre, dame THE usc offense
Speaker 1: had A i would, say up and down. Day there
Speaker 1: were some things that just looked kind of. Sloppy there
Speaker 1: were you, know maybe, misreads there were, drops there were you,
Speaker 1: Know Notre dame overwhelmed the run game at certain. Times
Speaker 1: do you remember being surprised by how well The Notre
Speaker 1: dame defense was. Playing do you remember thinking that your
Speaker 1: own offense seemed rattled by a moment that perhaps was
Speaker 1: bigger than they anticipated because this was not THE usc
Speaker 1: offense that we had seen in big moments.
Speaker 5: Before, Yeah, NO i like, YESTERDAY i remember. Halftime you,
Speaker 5: know every bed In Notre, dame the visitors halftime locker
Speaker 5: room is probably the worst locker Room i've ever seen
Speaker 5: in terms of college, Right, Yeah AND i haven't been
Speaker 5: inside it in a couple of, years but it hasn't really.
Speaker 2: Changed you.
Speaker 5: Know it's kind of like your old school like a
Speaker 5: bad gym locker in high, School like got a couple of,
Speaker 5: rows a couple of, rows and he only no space
Speaker 5: to address the.
Speaker 2: Team we came in and we're very, clear and we
Speaker 2: were a.
Speaker 5: Second half team that whole, year, Right pete's reel whole.
Speaker 5: Tenure they were a second half, program, right which is
Speaker 5: pretty much a detriment to EVERY usc coach after, him
Speaker 5: because everybody just wants them to make changes Like pete.
Speaker 5: Made it wasn't really about the quote unquote changes we,
Speaker 5: made but we're able to just kind of reset a
Speaker 5: lot of times at halftime and know exactly what. Worked
Speaker 5: stark And lane starts specifically was. Brilliant i've never been
Speaker 5: around anybody ever that can see the game from the
Speaker 5: sideline like he can see the game from the. SIDELINE i,
Speaker 5: mean he can tell what the defensive line is doing
Speaker 5: on the far side of the defensive. Line it's fascinating
Speaker 5: to hear those guys operat and that's where we.
Speaker 2: Were we also knew we were going to get their best.
Speaker 5: Shot you, know if you go back in, time, guys,
Speaker 5: yeah every team rocks the bus, now, right we started
Speaker 5: that the previous. Day we got There friday and there
Speaker 5: was ten thousand fans for our walkthrough outside Of Notre Dame,
Speaker 5: stadium and we start rocking the bus right and then
Speaker 5: we see the grass and IT'S x amount of inches
Speaker 5: higher than it usually. Is and then for, ME i
Speaker 5: played At Notre dame a bunch at pitt and we
Speaker 5: lost every.
Speaker 2: Game like this game.
Speaker 5: Kind of shook out in terms of you just kind
Speaker 5: of ran out of, steam and you hate to say.
Speaker 2: It was like.
Speaker 5: Touchdown jesus helped them out to a certain, Degree like
Speaker 5: it just felt so real because how many teams have
Speaker 5: gone into that stadium and played great and you lose.
Speaker 5: Late that's kind of How Notre dame has built their
Speaker 5: program on a lot of like fourth quarter. Wins SO
Speaker 5: i kind of was feeling, that AND i think our
Speaker 5: team it went back to our coffee and they never,
Speaker 5: Flinched like even when we were, down it was never
Speaker 5: we're going to lose.
Speaker 2: Here the streak. Ends it was.
Speaker 5: NEVER i don't feel as though our guys felt the
Speaker 5: burden of like it kept getting bigger and. Heavier oh my,
Speaker 5: god oh my, god the streak. ENDS i felt as
Speaker 5: though the pressure was On Notre, dame, like.
Speaker 2: End this, game let's end, it let's end, it let's end.
Speaker 5: It and you look at the last couple of drives
Speaker 5: of that, game and some moments like you, Know Brady
Speaker 5: quinn obviously, plays you, know out.
Speaker 2: Of his mind to a large. Degree he makes that touchdown.
Speaker 5: Run he's playing, Loose but we knew parts of their
Speaker 5: team were playing, tight AND i feel that looking back on,
Speaker 5: IT i felt THAT i felt then that they were
Speaker 5: trying not to lose once they had the. Lead VERSUS,
Speaker 5: us we were, saying just give, us give us another. Chance,
Speaker 5: man we don't care how much time it's.
Speaker 2: Left let's.
Speaker 1: Go how many times in the booth was the, phrase
Speaker 1: oh my, god thank God Reggie bush plays for. Us
Speaker 1: oh my. GOD i mean he, right he has those
Speaker 1: two enormous. Touchdowns he's a threat in the in the receiving.
Speaker 1: Game Notre dame has to account for him on every.
Speaker 1: Play and this is A usc team that had run
Speaker 1: the ball really well all year. Long was not outside
Speaker 1: Of reggie and his some of his longer runs running
Speaker 1: the ball that, Well Matt liner was not hitting receivers.
Speaker 1: Downfield he had a big play To Dominique. Bird he
Speaker 1: had a couple of big, plays like in the intermediate.
Speaker 1: Range but this was not THE usc offense consistently like
Speaker 1: it had been. Earlier is it just oh my, god
Speaker 1: thank God ritchie bushes.
Speaker 2: Here there was a lot of.
Speaker 5: THAT i, MEAN i remember the run where he kind
Speaker 5: of hurtled the safety AND i remember watching. THAT i was,
Speaker 5: like it's a. Route we're going to run these dudes
Speaker 5: out of the. Stadium and our team felt that. Too
Speaker 5: but AND i forget the safety's, name who was the Boxer.
Speaker 3: Toms he played out of his.
Speaker 5: MIND i remember he was all over the field in that.
Speaker 2: Game yeah.
Speaker 5: EXACTLY i mean those are the ones that, like that's
Speaker 5: what killed us in that. Game like you go back
Speaker 5: and at least and when we went back and watched
Speaker 5: it as a stat it was like it was the
Speaker 5: first time all year that year where throughout the game
Speaker 5: there were not a lot of, plays let alone drives
Speaker 5: where we didn't have Bus you, know we didn't have unforced.
Speaker 2: Air is WHAT i would call them now as a.
Speaker 5: Broadcaster you, know so the power return total bust unforced,
Speaker 5: there we don't do, That like we hadn't done.
Speaker 2: That it was terrible like we were moving the ball
Speaker 2: in the run, game but then.
Speaker 5: We wouldn't make a block or somebody would slip the,
Speaker 5: backside you, know from from a defensive end standpoint and
Speaker 5: track down the inside zone. Play that's where it was
Speaker 5: killing us all. Game we just couldn't get out of our.
Speaker 5: Way and of course you got to give credit To Notre.
Speaker 5: Dame they had obviously a talented team in that. Regard
Speaker 5: they were playing with incredible energy and.
Speaker 2: Confidence and the crowd was epic and all this stuff
Speaker 2: in that. PLACE i know you guys have been, there.
Speaker 5: But it's it's really cool because it literally feels like
Speaker 5: Like cameron into or maybe in, basketball like fans are
Speaker 5: literally on top of.
Speaker 2: You SO i just think that's kind of how the game.
Speaker 5: Went we never were able to put anything together for
Speaker 5: a long period of time in that ball.
Speaker 1: Game all, Right, yo you mentioned the.
Speaker 3: Grass you were there as part of the. STAFF i
Speaker 3: was there as a fan AND i remember walking out
Speaker 3: to my seat looking at the field and, thinking what
Speaker 3: the hell is? This but surely somebody forgot to do
Speaker 3: their chores, here walking through maybe the day before walking
Speaker 3: out onto the field the day Of, like is there
Speaker 3: any reaction to that. Whatsoever what did people say when
Speaker 3: they saw the length of the?
Speaker 5: Turf oh, yeah well it was the day, before it
Speaker 5: was the night before in the, meeting and you, know
Speaker 5: it was kind of the old coaching adage of, cool
Speaker 5: that might slow us, down but it's going to slow
Speaker 5: you down, too you, Know and.
Speaker 2: So we really didn't.
Speaker 5: Care it was kind of like and you, know you
Speaker 5: look back in that, rain that era of Coach, carrol
Speaker 5: every Team. Oklahoma there's even quotes From Bob stoops around
Speaker 5: this game where a lot of teams hoped things went their.
Speaker 5: Way you, know they hoped that it, Rained they hoped
Speaker 5: that the grass Slowed reggie. Down they hope that we
Speaker 5: turn the ball. Over and the difference is of hoping
Speaker 5: versus knowing or. DRAMATIC i still say that, now like
Speaker 5: a Fringe bowl team is still hoping things go well
Speaker 5: in fourth quarters of Games, Clemson. Bama certain teams they
Speaker 5: know what they can do and who they, are and
Speaker 5: that's what we. Were we're, like, okay, cool like you
Speaker 5: want to do, that you want to bring ten, thousand
Speaker 5: you want to Have Charlie weiss run his mouth like.
Speaker 2: Whatever it is that go, Ahead like keep hoping that things.
Speaker 5: Go well because we know that we're going to RUN
Speaker 5: iso right up.
Speaker 2: Here you know.
Speaker 5: What we know That Dwayne jarrett won't get covered in single.
Speaker 5: Coverage we know that our defense is going to bring.
Speaker 5: Pressure that was just the, mindset AND i don't want
Speaker 5: it to be felt as, arrogance but it was right
Speaker 5: on that. Edge and that's Where pete was. Masterful like
Speaker 5: he got us to play right on the. Edge and
Speaker 5: that's why you know our team led the nation penalties
Speaker 5: a lot of the, time or was one of the worst.
Speaker 2: Teams like we played on an.
Speaker 5: Edge officials knew, it opponents knew. It but it also
Speaker 5: allowed us to be as talented as we. Were and
Speaker 5: that's the EDGE i called the edge of uncomfortable is
Speaker 5: where greatness. Happens and that's where our team was because
Speaker 5: it was such a competitive.
Speaker 1: Environment so the game comes down to the final drive
Speaker 1: for each. Team, Really Notre dame puts together an unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Drive Brady quinn total, gamer leads them down the. Field
Speaker 1: hey they take the. Lead Notre dame, does and THEN
Speaker 1: usc with their backs against the, Wall Matt lionert comes
Speaker 1: to the line of, scrimmage checks into a play that
Speaker 1: or checks into something that wasn't necessarily called down from
Speaker 1: the booth or from a headset on the. Sideline what
Speaker 1: was that final what was That Matt lionert play and
Speaker 1: what was it supposed to? Be and what did He
Speaker 1: we know what he checked, into but what was the
Speaker 1: process involved in the biggest moment of that regular.
Speaker 2: Season, yeah, NO i remember it like. Yesterday, man it
Speaker 2: was it was, Cool LIKE i could Remember matt's eyes
Speaker 2: on the highlight.
Speaker 5: Film And i've always, SAID i still believe This Matt
Speaker 5: leonard is the coolest Guy i've ever. Met no offense
Speaker 5: to either one of, You like he's swag around.
Speaker 2: Him it's close to, him close two, three close two.
Speaker 5: Three But matt's always had this aura about, him like
Speaker 5: that THAT edg factor right where when you walk into a,
Speaker 5: room people feel you and you make them. Better and
Speaker 5: he always did. That AND i can remember the sequence
Speaker 5: And i'll take you through. It so up in the,
Speaker 5: Booth i'm next To. Lane my job at the time
Speaker 5: is to basically write down what play we run and
Speaker 5: then the coverage that has run in association with, it
Speaker 5: and the other guy sitting next to me is job
Speaker 5: is to write down the defensive front and if there's
Speaker 5: blisses after the, series we give those pieces of paper
Speaker 5: in a lane and he looks at what do they play?
Speaker 2: Against what?
Speaker 5: Formation we come up there? Now and here it is
Speaker 5: season on the line. Right everybody knows. It and the
Speaker 5: play we call is sixty one AND i believe it
Speaker 5: was sam. Protection why option and the play in the?
Speaker 5: FORMATION i believe it was a three by one, formation
Speaker 5: and the option route is from your tight, End Dominique,
Speaker 5: Bird Dominique. Bird he could either take the option, out
Speaker 5: take the option, in or if there's no deep, safety
Speaker 5: you just run to go. Route there was clearly a deep.
Speaker 5: Safety and What lane says To, sark And sark relays
Speaker 5: To matt is if they give us this certain, look
Speaker 5: check it to eighty two stay.
Speaker 2: And eighty two, stay slug. GO i think it was
Speaker 2: F win.
Speaker 5: Was the audible that we often, called and it was
Speaker 5: old School West coast. Offense slat and go on on
Speaker 5: the front, side OR i guess it'd be on the
Speaker 5: backside and then, uh basically slug go win on the
Speaker 5: on the front, side so it's flat and Go Dwayne
Speaker 5: jarrett seam route by the slot, receiver hitch way out
Speaker 5: side and max protection by the tight End Dominique bird
Speaker 5: and the running back and the running back.
Speaker 2: Right you could trickle out if he had.
Speaker 5: To later he trickled out on the previous, snap if
Speaker 5: you remember, that when he caught it and made a
Speaker 5: nice little. Game so we audible of that or what
Speaker 5: we call sixty, one we call the y option. Play
Speaker 5: and Here's lane next to, me And i'm, like not
Speaker 5: saying a, word, obviously you're just kind of. Watching you
Speaker 5: see the, coverage you know what they need to. See
Speaker 5: and it's really this moment of zen amid chaos Of
Speaker 5: Lane Sark, liner and they, go it's the.
Speaker 2: Look it's the. Look have him change. It And sark
Speaker 2: screams in that voice that you, know, hey eighty two
Speaker 2: stay and the signal Is i'm giving it to you.
Speaker 2: NOW i don't know if you can.
Speaker 1: See ye holding wide binoculars.
Speaker 5: Exactly and it's out to the side and he gives
Speaker 5: them that signal and everybody relays it and you Hear
Speaker 5: matt with his EyeBlack left to the right offensive line tight.
Speaker 2: End everybody gets the signal.
Speaker 5: And it's single high and we're, like, okay if his
Speaker 5: eyes can hold the safety which was the whole. Point
Speaker 5: if it's the single high, defense like we're gonna we're gonna.
Speaker 5: Win and they, did AND, Dj dwayne obviously, wins is
Speaker 5: released of the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 2: And for the first time in a long, time.
Speaker 5: The football gods if you believe in, them AND i
Speaker 5: don't necessarily do all the, time but if you believe in.
Speaker 5: Them they're on the side of the visitor In Notre
Speaker 5: Dame stadium and it goes right past or three dollars
Speaker 5: suits me up with THE dB And dwayne makes the.
Speaker 2: Catch so we see it in the booth before it.
Speaker 2: Happens he's got, Him he's got, Him he's got.
Speaker 5: Him and then AND i hate to say, it BUT
Speaker 5: i had zero, Poise no one had any poise because
Speaker 5: he caught.
Speaker 2: It and we are jumping up and down in the press.
Speaker 5: Box GO dj, Go AND i Remember lane coach the
Speaker 5: receivers Recruited dwayne out Of New, jersey and we're, thinking
Speaker 5: this is a house, call walk, off this is how
Speaker 5: you win the ball. Game and as he's doing, that
Speaker 5: we're all. Celebrating the payers THAT i referenced earlier are now.
Speaker 2: Everywhere there's nothing Like it's a Disaster Notre dame because,
Speaker 2: they're you, know an old iconic.
Speaker 5: Stadium maybe they have this old LITTLE tv up in the,
Speaker 5: right And i'm up there like fist, popping Like i'm In,
Speaker 5: vegas AND i smashed.
Speaker 2: The television.
Speaker 5: AND i felt LIKE i broke, it but it didn't,
Speaker 5: matter like you just it was next play, right you're
Speaker 5: screaming the.
Speaker 2: Adrenaline it's insane for.
Speaker 5: ME i, MEAN i had an utter distaste for Everything
Speaker 5: Notre dame because HERE i am like twelve months removed from,
Speaker 5: playing only wanted to go. There never beat him in
Speaker 5: my career as a, player we always lost, clothes AS
Speaker 5: i referenced.
Speaker 2: Earlier SO i like instantly revert back to like the
Speaker 2: kid in college in a.
Speaker 5: Heartbeat and then it gets hot and we're, thinking oh my,
Speaker 5: god it's, chaos, right and we sit back down and
Speaker 5: like headsets are, off, Man like this is not like
Speaker 5: it's like organized, cast, Right like this is pandemonium in
Speaker 5: the booth right alone in the, sideline like you guys saw, it,
Speaker 5: Right and there's the great YouTube viral clips that are
Speaker 5: out there all over with everybody kind of running back
Speaker 5: and forth and among amid all of, that AND i
Speaker 5: just talked about it on A pack twelve YouTube Series
Speaker 5: i'm doing About Coach carroll because it was one of
Speaker 5: his proudest moments and when he.
Speaker 2: Looks back on his career because he wasn't that.
Speaker 5: Way he was straight like, poised and he always had trained.
Speaker 5: Himself then in the moments of chaos he would be
Speaker 5: the calmnist and he.
Speaker 2: Was and here we are trying to figure it, out
Speaker 2: what do we? Do like don't we? Do And i'll
Speaker 2: hit a period, There but that's basically what set up
Speaker 2: the next segment of.
Speaker 3: Plays so the next segment of plays is The bush.
Speaker 3: Push The bush push is forever enshrined in the history
Speaker 3: of college. Football Matt liner goes up to the, line
Speaker 3: acts as if he's gonna stop the clock because the
Speaker 3: clock was whining at that point in time us he
Speaker 3: was out of. Timeouts instead of clocking the, ball decides
Speaker 3: to go, forward initially stopped on that on that first,
Speaker 3: push he kind of spins. Around he's facing backwards Towards Reggie,
Speaker 3: bush And reggie just gives him a shove and knocks
Speaker 3: him into the end. Zone alast The bush. Push what
Speaker 3: is the reaction like after?
Speaker 5: That, WELL i got to remember, too right prior to
Speaker 5: That lioner it sneaks and kind of does like the
Speaker 5: worthybird nods of the, sideline and the clock runs out
Speaker 5: and the fans rush the field AND i think the game's,
Speaker 5: over and Again pete is straight poised and it's set back.
Speaker 5: Up and while that's, happening the headsets are still on
Speaker 5: And lane And stark, again they were just so dialed
Speaker 5: and they're talking To matt about what to do and what.
Speaker 2: The play call is going to.
Speaker 5: Be and we had an audible within that play call
Speaker 5: where you know you're signaling spike, it spike, it spike.
Speaker 5: It but if one of the coaches pointed at you
Speaker 5: basically gave you the, option, like, Hey, matt if you
Speaker 5: want to take, it take, it you, Know and we
Speaker 5: obviously all the trust in the world And matt And
Speaker 5: i'm sure you guys have heard the story From matt's.
Speaker 2: Mouth if, not it's a great. Story he shared.
Speaker 5: It he shared it many times where he kind of
Speaker 5: just turns around and looks At reggie and he.
Speaker 2: Goes, hey let's do.
Speaker 5: This and that was kind of the relationship those two,
Speaker 5: had and you, know everything that they've been through and
Speaker 5: what we've been.
Speaker 2: Through And reggie was on his Own heisman run at
Speaker 2: the time.
Speaker 5: And the way it, goes and you knew he was
Speaker 5: going to make it like there was never a hesitation offensive.
Speaker 2: Line and you look at you look back at that offensive.
Speaker 2: Line we're talking Like Ryan, Khalil Sam.
Speaker 5: BAKER i, mean there's the dudes of dudes on that
Speaker 5: line obviously already kicked out in THE, nfl And reggie
Speaker 5: wasn't going to allow it to. Happen and he's kind
Speaker 5: of happened in slow, motion, Man and when it, happened
Speaker 5: we lost our minds again in the booth and all
Speaker 5: we want to do is get.
Speaker 2: Down there as fast as.
Speaker 5: Possible And i'll never forget, it because there's only two
Speaker 5: of these THAT i remember in my, career and one
Speaker 5: of them was this.
Speaker 2: Game the other one is The texas, game but that we.
Speaker 5: Lost but you usually get escorted down by police, security
Speaker 5: Especially Notre, dame because it's it's not LIKE i don't
Speaker 5: know what it is now for, staffs but it's not
Speaker 5: really set up for staffs to get back down to
Speaker 5: the booth or get down to the locker room very,
Speaker 5: easily like you basically have to like kind of run
Speaker 5: through the fans and find your way back to the,
Speaker 5: tunnel and they work your way through the. TUNNEL i,
Speaker 5: mean it's it's chaos and this game was. Bonkers so
Speaker 5: we get out and there's people everywhere because people are, pissed,
Speaker 5: right Like Notre dame fans are. Leaving everybody's you, know
Speaker 5: pushing shouldn't.
Speaker 2: Be nobody really knew the, RULE i believe in that,
Speaker 2: Era LIKE i don't think you guys watched the. BROADCAST
Speaker 2: i highly doubt they, said, like.
Speaker 5: Yeah you're allowed to, push but you can't. Pull like
Speaker 5: that rule had didn't even exist yet in college. Football
Speaker 5: so there was a lot of debate about what went,
Speaker 5: on let alone should the game already have been? Over
Speaker 5: So Notre dame fans clearly are very upset in that.
Speaker 5: Regard so It's, Lane Rocky, seto, Myself Dave, watson Sam,
Speaker 5: Oo there's a couple of.
Speaker 2: Us they were like scurrying out And i'm trying to
Speaker 2: still gather up all those.
Speaker 5: Papers you, know you don't want to leave, Anything like
Speaker 5: every coach is paranoid, that like you leave all your,
Speaker 5: secrets even though everybody does the same thing for the most.
Speaker 5: Part SO i gather everything, up put it into a little,
Speaker 5: briefcase and you, KNOW tv is pretty much a disaster up,
Speaker 5: anyway and we run our way down and get to
Speaker 5: the locker room as fast as possible because for his masterful,
Speaker 5: As pete wasn't so many. Things he was such a great,
Speaker 5: orator and we wanted to hear what he's gonna.
Speaker 2: SAY i want to celebrate with the.
Speaker 5: Fellas and it was, crazy, man it was just it
Speaker 5: was an Ultimate excel game.
Speaker 2: Of, like not of thank god it's. Over we.
Speaker 5: Won most teams that are going for a NATTY i
Speaker 5: think feel that. Way it was more of, like holy,
Speaker 5: shit that just, Happened like can you? Believe and it
Speaker 5: was almost that moment WHERE i, Think, matt Maybe reggie
Speaker 5: definitely this is a. Staff we knew there was something special,
Speaker 5: occurring not just for that, season but in the big
Speaker 5: picture of collegiate athletics and college. Football so, yeah it
Speaker 5: just felt, like hey, man this is like this is our.
Speaker 5: Year we're going to win that, game like we're gonna
Speaker 5: win them.
Speaker 3: All, Yeah and you, know you, know you from the other,
Speaker 3: side being a fan in the stadium with a good
Speaker 3: friend of mine who was A usc, Fan we had
Speaker 3: done plenty of trash talk leading up to that, game
Speaker 3: even throughout the, game but after that, sequence the last two, minutes,
Speaker 3: again like you, said totally. Bonkers we walked out of
Speaker 3: that stadium and didn't say a word to each other
Speaker 3: for a good twenty thirty minutes because again we were
Speaker 3: still processing.
Speaker 1: Like holy, shit this.
Speaker 3: Happened we were, Here we saw it with our own
Speaker 3: eyes and total pandemonium in the. Stadium didn't quite know
Speaker 3: what was going. On the clock runs, out people run
Speaker 3: on the, field did he? Score did he not? Score
Speaker 3: what happened When Dwayne jarrett caught the? Ball how did
Speaker 3: he get? Open like so many questions without the benefit
Speaker 3: of having THE tv in front of you that we
Speaker 3: just didn't know how to. React it was an insane
Speaker 3: moment in.
Speaker 5: Sports it was out of, control AND i thought it
Speaker 5: was also you look back at moments in our careers,
Speaker 5: now like it was great for the, game you, know
Speaker 5: and it's great when se And Notre dame are, good you,
Speaker 5: know and national conversation and that, year you, know there's
Speaker 5: a lot of backstory, there, Right Charlie wets And Pete
Speaker 5: carroll kind of traded spots with The patriots and The
Speaker 5: jets and parcels and the, staffs AND i don't say
Speaker 5: there's bad, blood but it wasn't like nobody was buddy
Speaker 5: buddy in that, regard And pete never made it, personal
Speaker 5: but you.
Speaker 2: Could feel it to a degree like there was just
Speaker 2: a lot of underlying dynamics.
Speaker 5: And you, Know charlie gets the job AND i don't
Speaker 5: want to misquote, him but it was something along the
Speaker 5: lines of we're gonna have a decided schematic, advantage which
Speaker 5: clearly was, ridiculous but there's just a.
Speaker 2: Lot there was just a lot going.
Speaker 5: On then you add in the game and the programs
Speaker 5: and the, history and it was really there was really
Speaker 5: a gift to be a part of a small part
Speaker 5: of that team and that, year and AS i get,
Speaker 5: older just that that program because it is.
Speaker 2: Different it's way different Than.
Speaker 5: Alabama It's, clemson and What dad was doing is the
Speaker 5: closest thing to me at What pete. Did it's just
Speaker 5: obviously in a different, conference in a completely different.
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