WEBVTT - Throwback Thursday: The Bush Push 0:00:02.040 --> 0:00:04.720 Welcome to the Solid Verbal. 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:08.160 I'll that for me. I'm a man, I'm forty. 0:00:08.280 --> 0:00:10.119 I've heard so many players say, well, I want to 0:00:10.160 --> 0:00:13.000 be happy. You want to be happy for Dake Edith State. 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:13.680 Is that? 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:14.480 Whoo whoom? 0:00:14.960 --> 0:00:17.120 And Dan and Tie. 0:00:18.680 --> 0:00:21.680 Welcome back to the Solid Verbal, Boys and girls. My 0:00:21.800 --> 0:00:26.720 name is Ti hille Brand, joining me as always quarantined 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:29.200 over there in New York City, the one and only 0:00:29.280 --> 0:00:29.920 Dan Rubinstein. 0:00:30.000 --> 0:00:34.160 Sir, how are you clean hands? Full nuggets? I guess 0:00:34.159 --> 0:00:37.800 I'm full of nuggets. I'm not full nuggets, but uh, 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:42.480 unlike Notre Dame, can't lose, can't lose. Huh, yeah, that's true. 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:45.239 I'm very excited for this show. I am extremely excited 0:00:45.240 --> 0:00:47.200 for the show. I talked to our pal, Adam Iman 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:51.080 from ESPN, who is doing his best over there in Chicago, 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:54.520 somebody who's usually on the road. He wants to record 0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:57.160 like seventeen of these with us. Okay, I'm excited for 0:00:57.200 --> 0:00:59.840 this one. Very good. Well, this could be the start 0:00:59.880 --> 0:01:00.840 of something special. 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:05.920 As you know, as most listening know, something of an 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:08.360 odd circumstance in the world at a moment, with a 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:12.920 global pandemic, most of us trapped indoors looking for something 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:15.319 to do, and we also don't know if there's going 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:17.120 to be a college football season. I don't want to 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:19.800 look too far in the future, but it is something 0:01:19.840 --> 0:01:22.680 that is very much on the table. We'll cross that bridge, 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:24.800 will we come to it. But in the meantime, we 0:01:24.840 --> 0:01:27.560 are caught in this awkward spot where we want to 0:01:27.600 --> 0:01:30.360 talk college football because people listen for college football, but 0:01:30.400 --> 0:01:35.000 we just don't have college football to discuss. So perhaps 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:38.920 we've been following along on our nightly Instagram live feeds 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:41.640 as we've gathered for fifteen to twenty minutes to talk 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:44.560 about whatever moves us. But we came up with the 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:47.680 idea to do more of what we did last offseason, 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:51.400 which was go back watch an old iconic game and 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:54.600 talk about it, do the post mortem, do the oral history, 0:01:54.640 --> 0:01:57.560 whatever have you. That's what we're going to start doing, 0:01:57.760 --> 0:02:01.000 perhaps a little bit more of, and we decided that 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:04.560 we would start with the illustrious Bush Push game of 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:09.040 two thousand and five, USC beating Notre Dame in Notre 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:11.240 Dame Stadium thirty four to thirty one. 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:13.240 It's important and I think we're going to try to 0:02:13.280 --> 0:02:16.200 do this as often as possible to have an emotional 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:20.440 and professional stakeholder on the show. Maybe one, maybe none, 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:23.040 maybe both. Today we're starting with both because Ty, you 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:27.120 as a longtime Notre Dame fan and attendee, Yes of 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:30.040 this game, you're an emotional stakeholder. And Yogi Roth was 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:34.280 an offensive assistant for USC at this time, was sitting 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:39.800 like fourteen inches from Lane Kiffen, co offensive coordinator during 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:42.280 this game, and he's going to join us later on 0:02:42.320 --> 0:02:44.200 in the show. I think for some equal time, Ty, 0:02:44.440 --> 0:02:46.080 equal to No. That's fair. That's fair. 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:48.680 So he was in the booth, like you said, fourteen 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:53.720 inches from Lane Kiffen, and I was in Section one 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:57.120 oh six, Row three, seat twenty seven. 0:02:57.160 --> 0:02:57.919 I checked my ticket. 0:02:57.960 --> 0:03:01.040 I still have it laminated over at Mama H's house 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:03.080 because it was such a meaningful event for me. 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:08.280 I imagine it had to have been. Let's start. I 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:09.840 don't know if you have any housekeeping you want to 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:11.800 get into, but I have so many thoughts about this 0:03:11.880 --> 0:03:14.079 game in two thousand and five, in the early two thousands, 0:03:14.080 --> 0:03:17.240 with Notre Dame and USC and beyond, I'd like to 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:20.120 start getting into the context. The context. 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:24.000 Okay, well, before we get into that context, the context here, 0:03:25.080 --> 0:03:27.480 subscribe to the show. We are the Soliverbal I'm ty 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:32.000 He's Dan. Follow along on Twitter, on Instagram and on 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:36.280 Facebook if you want to continue the conversation. Lord knows 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:38.400 there are plenty of our ballers who are hold up 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:41.280 at the moment. Yeah, want to talk college football. Just 0:03:41.320 --> 0:03:43.880 want to be amongst friends, want to feel that connectedness. 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:48.360 Dan m going out to Soliverbal dot reddit dot com. 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:51.040 That is the subreddit that is commandeered by our good 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:55.360 friend Peter Hoffman. So yes, with that being said, Dan, 0:03:55.800 --> 0:03:57.520 give me, give me the lay of the land. 0:03:57.600 --> 0:03:57.960 Here. 0:03:58.000 --> 0:04:01.840 In two thousand and five again and Notre Dame USC 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:05.640 one of the big matchups perhaps of all time, certainly 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:08.200 from a rivalry standpoint it is. But in two thousand 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:11.120 and five, what were the atmospherics that kind of built 0:04:11.200 --> 0:04:12.080 up to this matchup? 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:17.719 Dateline two thousand and five. So this was a top 0:04:17.760 --> 0:04:22.120 ten matchup. So first and foremost, USC came into this 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:25.760 game with a lot more momentum national attention as the 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:28.520 number one team in America than Notre Dame did, who 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:30.760 sort of crept into the top ten. They started the 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:34.560 season as an other's receiving vote. Right, this was not 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:38.240 a hype. Notre Dame team in terms of expectations in 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:43.640 year one of the Charlie Weiss era, whereas USC demolishes 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:47.120 Oklahoma the year before to win the national championship, they 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:51.040 are considered a national champion the year before after their 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:53.360 Rose Bowl win, where they're named the AP number one, 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:56.520 but not the BCS number one that went to LSU. 0:04:56.600 --> 0:04:58.680 The end of two thousand and two was very promising. 0:04:58.800 --> 0:05:01.960 That was an excit. Carson Palmer to Matt Lionert, even 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:05.480 though Linert wasn't super well regarded, there was that transition. 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:10.080 The USC was deep in a pretty terrible era in 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:12.839 the Paul Hackett era, and then they hire Pete Carroll 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:17.040 and slowly but surely the recruiting is incredible. The results 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:22.200 slowly but surely reflect the recruiting grades and team rankings whatever, 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:29.479 whereas Notre Dame is an unexpected top ten team and 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:34.159 could not have treated you worse. Between the end of 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:39.360 the two thousand season and arguably even into the early 0:05:39.440 --> 0:05:42.400 part of the two thousand and five season, which includes 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:46.719 going down thirty eight to seventeen in South Bend to 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:50.440 Michigan State, Brady Quinn putting the team on his back, 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:54.239 willing them back down twenty one to tie the game 0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:58.279 with two minutes left, goes to overtime, and then they lose. 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:01.920 Then they lose, and that comes also during a time 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:04.680 in which they beat the number three team in the country. 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:06.640 I think, what a couple of weeks later, if my 0:06:06.720 --> 0:06:09.560 memory serves in Michigan, No, they beat Michigan. Michigan was 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:12.360 a week before Michigan was a week before. They beat 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:16.120 number three Michigan the week before, after beating the ranked 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:18.760 pitt Panthers the week before that, so they're on the 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:22.320 national radar. They lose to unranked Michigan State at home, 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:26.479 but right the ship before USC Brady Quinn has experience 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:29.400 as the starting quarterback for Notre Dame, but it's your 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:33.520 one in the Charlie White system as well. And I 0:06:33.600 --> 0:06:39.120 want to know what the road to oh crap, Notre 0:06:39.200 --> 0:06:42.760 Dame might be good again look like for you between 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:46.200 in the early early oughts, that's what it would be called. Sure, 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:49.480 what is that road? What does that roller coaster emotionally 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:50.039 look like to you? 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:54.520 Well, emotionally again as a Notre Dame fan between us, 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:59.640 I was very uncertain about this. Right Ty Willingham the 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:02.920 era that he kind of ushered In had a really 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:08.000 good first year. I didn't really think it was totally valid, Like, 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:11.320 it just felt like so much of that team was 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:12.280 built on defense. 0:07:12.360 --> 0:07:15.080 The offense kind of stank, and they were able to 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:15.320 do it. 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:16.920 They were able to win a bunch of games, but 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:20.320 it just it never felt like this was a legitimate, 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:24.600 contending kind of team. And so obviously the next two 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:27.760 years of Willingham didn't go well to now step into 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:31.040 the Charlie Weiss era, I didn't quite know what to think. 0:07:31.080 --> 0:07:31.240 Now. 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:33.920 I was a proponent of them hiring Charlie Weiss. I 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:37.200 liked the move, sure, and you know, it was a 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:39.240 breath of fresh air. This is a guy who's got 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:43.080 some offense on his resume. Presumably he's going to come 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:45.480 in there, he's going to reboot the offense. And he did, 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:48.240 as we'll talk about. I'm sure reboot the offense. This 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:51.040 is a top ten offense throughout the course of the 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:54.720 two thousand and five season. But honestly, I sort of 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:57.440 didn't know how to feel. This is a program that 0:07:57.480 --> 0:07:59.280 had been down for a while. They won a national 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:02.880 championship in the late eighties. They were really good in 0:08:02.920 --> 0:08:04.480 the early to mid nineties under. 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:06.920 Holt, but great run. Yeah, But towards the end. 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:09.320 Of the millennium as we got into the aughts, as 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:12.640 you say, yeah, the program was not quite where you'd 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:14.120 want it to be as a fan. So I was 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:15.720 just very uncertain about the whole thing. 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:19.400 Yeah, the Bob Davey era was. I was trying to 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:20.800 think of a nickname for him, and the best thing 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:23.360 I could come up with was Bolish Bob, because those 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:26.640 Notre Dame teams they're bolish, They're always in balls, but 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:32.200 they were bowlish. You skipped over one amazing nugget of 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:34.319 that era. I mean there are many amazing nuggets in 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:37.760 that era. As somebody who enjoys college football chaos. Notre 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:41.880 Dame hired Georgio Leary to replace Bob Davy in two 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:45.880 thousand and one. He had a cup of coffee. There 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:48.959 were some discrepancies on his resume and he never wound 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:52.320 up coaching at Notre Dame. So then they moved on 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:55.200 to Ty Willingham, who won his first two games as 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:58.800 the Irish head coach without Notre Dame scoring an offensive 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:04.080 touchdown facts which you know, it's if you can do it, 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:07.720 good on you. So then they hired Charlie Wise, who 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:11.840 it seems like this is this is a pro move. Literally, 0:09:11.880 --> 0:09:14.760 this is hiring a pro a guy from the Patriots 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:16.600 who had worked with Tom Brady and the Super Bowl 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:19.760 winner and is a Notre Dame guy, And this is 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:22.080 Notre Dame stepping up to the plate to stop fooling 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:25.160 around with guys who are not to the caliber of 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:28.120 what Notre Dame perceives itself to be. And pretty early 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:30.120 on it looks promising. 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:35.640 It looked extremely promising. And they had this stud quarterback 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:38.400 in Brady Quinn. As I'm sure we'll discuss here as 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:41.000 we go a little bit further into the game. They 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:44.640 had big targets for him. They had a serviceable running 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:47.960 game that they actually lead on very heavily throughout the 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:50.079 course of the year. They ran the ball about forty times. 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:51.520 In this game that we're going to talk about, they 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:54.760 ran it fifty two times. So, you know, Charlie Weiss, 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:57.520 I thought, from a very high level, did a pretty 0:09:57.520 --> 0:10:01.160 good job balancing the offense. He knew how to try 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:03.720 and use the personnel that he had to great affect, 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:06.319 and so that was good. That aspect of it was good. 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:09.200 He did come in and made a very positive impact. 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:13.880 The ability to sustain that success moving forward is ultimately 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:16.160 what did him in. He had a very successful campaign 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:20.480 in year one, diminishing returns thereafter. Was never quite able 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:23.760 to build in the trenches, never quite able to maintain 0:10:23.840 --> 0:10:26.240 on the defensive side or build up on the defensive 0:10:26.280 --> 0:10:29.280 side the way we would have hoped, and that ultimately 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:32.400 led to his undoing. But at least out of the shoot. Yeah, 0:10:32.400 --> 0:10:35.120 for Charlie Weiss in year one, it was very promising. Yeah, 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:37.199 and we'll get to the PostScript. We will, I promise. 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:39.920 What I would also like to add, because we talked 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:42.280 about Notre Dame early on that season, USC starts the 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:44.959 season number one, they end the regular season number one. 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:47.439 That's the USC Texas here of course. Well, they are 0:10:47.440 --> 0:10:50.360 one and two all season long. They dropped sixty three 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:53.360 in a huge win against Hawaii in the Islands, and 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:57.040 then just absolutely demolish Arkansas. They had a home and home. 0:10:57.080 --> 0:10:59.960 I believe with Arkansas, he dropped a buck twenty company, 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:03.200 just killed them. Yeah, and I believe that two thousand 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:05.640 and six Arkansas team was pretty good. That was a 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:08.760 Dearren McFadden, Felix Jones Peyton hillis team good defense too. 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:11.480 They fell down early to Oregon, but came back and 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:13.960 stomped the Ducks in Eugene. I was trying to remember 0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:15.840 if I was at that game. For some reason, I 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:17.360 think I was probably back. 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:18.360 Well. 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:20.440 I had graduated that summer, so I would have been 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:23.840 returning to Eugene. I think I might have been a 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:26.720 huge comeback. They go down eighteen at halftime to ASU 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:30.360 in Tempe. USC wins their four and oh on the 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:32.559 road in their first six games, which is a pretty 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:34.720 incredible split. But they come back and they win that 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:36.960 game thirty eight to twenty eight. And this is Reggie 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:39.480 Bush and Lendell White really coming into their own. And 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:42.400 then later on in the Arizona game the following week 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:44.800 after ASU, and this is the week before Notre Dame, 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:48.439 they eventually run away from an Arizona team. Shout out 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:53.200 Richard Kovalceek. That's right, shout out that Arizona team. But 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:55.360 so it wasn't there. There were some scares, there were 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:59.360 some moments of hesitation I think from USC, especially early 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:02.400 on in games, but ultimately their talent and their ability 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:05.240 and the depth that they had built up one out 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:10.400 and this was number one against number nine, and obviously 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:13.400 your favorite part of the lead up to this game 0:12:13.440 --> 0:12:17.520 that week was a very specific story about Notre Dame's preparation. 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:22.760 Notre dames preparation, Yeah, grew the hell out of what 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:27.760 tie the grass, Dan. So let me provide further context. 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:29.800 I was at this game at the times. This is 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:32.320 two thousand and five. If you want to know more 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:34.240 about what I was doing in two thousand and five, 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:36.800 go back and listen to the history of the soliverbal Show. 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:39.440 But ye, my connection to actually get tickets to this 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:43.640 game is among dabbling with some early rendition of what 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:47.240 is now known as podcasting. I was also doing a 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:50.920 lot of live streaming audio streaming, not twitch or YouTube 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:54.080 or anything like that. I was helping some others in 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:56.800 the college football community get some of their own streams 0:12:56.880 --> 0:13:00.000 up and running, and among them was a good friend 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:02.400 of mine from Notre Dame who was able to hook 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:03.240 me up with tickets. 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:05.000 Nice did look at. 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:06.600 Me like I had two heads when I brought my 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:09.559 friend Kurt along, who's a die hard USC fan, wore 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:14.000 is Keith Rivers jersey to the game. But we were there, 0:13:14.120 --> 0:13:16.840 we were in attendance, and we come walking into this 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:20.040 beautiful stadium, Notre Dame Stadium. You look down on the 0:13:20.040 --> 0:13:23.120 field and it looks like it looks like a cow pasture. 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:26.440 It looks as if they have not cut this in 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:29.640 three to four state tailgate. Isn't that what the outside 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:32.520 of Beaver Stadium looks like? Are there multiple pastures? There 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:36.800 are multiple pastures to say the least. Yeah, So it 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:38.840 was like, what the hell is this? And like so 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:40.760 much in the Charlie Weiss ara, and we talked about 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:43.920 this a little bit on the Instagram feed, Like so 0:13:44.040 --> 0:13:47.360 much of the Charlie Weiss era, it was like, Okay, 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:52.880 this could be clever, or this could be really overthought right, 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:55.120 and you just don't know where to come down on it. 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:58.840 That in many ways was kind of a synopsis of 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:02.320 the Weiss era. But they grow the grass out. It's 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:06.320 very apparent as you're watching the broadcast. I didn't hear 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:09.480 if they referenced it. I'm sure they did throughout the 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:13.760 broadcast that we watched, but certainly in person it was 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:16.079 it was flowing. It was every bit as flowing as 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:21.120 Jeff Somarge's hair, and you know, obviously didn't have that 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:24.720 much of an impact. But it was very noticeable, and 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:25.920 it is the kind of thing that you saw. And 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:28.200 I was like, all right, like I need to kick 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:30.280 the tires a little bit more on who made this call, 0:14:30.360 --> 0:14:34.040 why they decided to do it, and you know what 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:36.120 they thought they were going to gain out of doing this. 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:38.840 Were you drunk? How much were you tailgating? This is 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:41.160 probably what you're two years out of college. No, I 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:43.680 wasn't at all. You weren't at all drunk. You were focused. 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:46.520 I was very focused, like a fighter the night before 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:47.920 a huge fight. No, I was. 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:52.440 I was laser focused and actually, in my younger and 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:57.040 more immature days, quite nervous about this game. Okay, So 0:14:57.120 --> 0:14:58.800 I didn't want to upset the tummy too much. 0:14:59.160 --> 0:15:01.920 Okay, fair enough, And there is something important and I 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:03.840 don't know what your stance was. And we'll get into 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:06.120 this when we talk about the very beginning of the 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:10.000 game itself, which will momentarily. There was some I think 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:13.160 it's just among Notre Dame fans more so than it 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:16.480 is college football fans, but early on in the broadcast 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:23.560 when Notre Dame runs out of the tunnel, there was shock, awe, bewilderment, excitement, 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:28.400 borderline horniness about noted the color of Notre Dame's jerseys. 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:32.880 Oh no, don't start, don't start with this. Was that 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:35.920 a thing the week leading up? Where there message board rumors, 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:38.760 because I'm positive message boards existed in two thousand and five, 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:42.480 while they're murmurings of Charlie Weiss. 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:45.440 Charlie Weiss had notably said that he wasn't going to 0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:48.840 do the green jersey thing, right, and then he decided, 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:51.640 as you find out on the broadcast, he decided two 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:53.440 weeks before the game that it was something that they 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:57.680 wanted to do. And as Tom Hammond had to point out, 0:15:57.720 --> 0:15:59.600 it was his duty to point out as the lead 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:02.320 comment on the game, Notre Dame at that point was 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:05.280 something like oh and three wearing the jerseys, but three 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:08.800 and zero against USC. Right, they had lost their last 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:12.560 three overall, but had won their last three against USC 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:16.000 wearing the green jersey. I'll have you know that when 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:17.880 I saw them come out of the tunnel, I didn't 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:19.920 know in the build up to this game that they 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:21.040 were going to go green jerseys. 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:23.680 Oh okay, no rumors that you saw. 0:16:23.720 --> 0:16:27.840 Okay, in my younger again, more immature days. I'm in 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:30.760 the stands. I'm watching this, everyone's all jazzed up for 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:33.120 Notre Dame to run out of the tunnel. They run 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:37.800 out of the tunnel. I am audibly screaming no from 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:42.800 section one oh three wherever I was. Because they had 0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:44.880 the green jerseys on it, I knew, at least I 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:47.440 felt that it was some sort of bad home and 0:16:47.520 --> 0:16:50.240 now you wouldn't know that to hear Tom Hammon. Tom 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:53.360 Hammond went crazy like Susan Walman went crazy. 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:55.080 When and that was that was my comparison. Yeah, he 0:16:55.120 --> 0:16:56.320 went from twelve to six. 0:16:56.200 --> 0:16:59.680 When Roger Clemens signed the Yankees, the way Susan Walman reacted, 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:03.160 that was what Tom Hammond did. And even to watch 0:17:03.160 --> 0:17:05.440 it back. Now, keep in mind I had never actually 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:08.440 seen this broadcast. I saw the game live, never had 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:10.800 the heart to go back and watch it in its totality. 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:14.760 All these cheap little jokes like, oh, those green jerseys 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:15.240 look so. 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:20.240 Good in HD. Whatever, Tom whatever. I don't think my 0:17:20.320 --> 0:17:22.640 stream was an HD. I don't think my YouTube ufload 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:25.840 that I watched with soft, which I'm actually glad you mentioned, 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:29.360 because I don't know when all of the networks broadcast 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:31.359 all of their games, or most of their games, or 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:34.000 some of their games in HD. But it wasn't long 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:34.680 before this. 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:39.200 No, Well, and hey, listen back to the broadcast. Yeah, 0:17:39.359 --> 0:17:41.680 I'll tell you one thing that doesn't hold up over time, 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:46.320 old tech jokes. Tech jokes don't hold up because tech 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:50.480 changes from year to year. So in this broadcast, especially 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:54.600 a lot of quips about high definition television, like Pat 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:58.080 Hayden telling Tom Hammond, I think you even sound better 0:17:58.080 --> 0:17:58.560 in HD. 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:02.080 Tom, stuff like that to give you an even better 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:05.080 idea of what two thousand and five was like on screen. 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:07.320 By the way, I haven't seen any of the top 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:11.119 ten movies that weekend. The Fog, Wallace and Grommet and 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:14.520 Elizabethtown were your top three. I know a history of 0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:17.879 violence people still watch. There's I think a Wiener involved 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:21.760 in that. One. Great top ten music wise Billboard Wise 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:25.360 Gold Digger number one song, the ten Sugar. We're going 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:28.560 down number ten. Oh wow, you got some David Banner, 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:32.160 You've got two Mariah Carey songs, and I'm obviously nickel 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:36.199 Back's photograph checking in at number three. Sure, all of 0:18:36.240 --> 0:18:39.919 the top TV shows this week in America feel like 0:18:39.920 --> 0:18:42.720 they're still on or we're on three years ago. There's 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:47.800 a couple csis Gray's Anatomy Their Survivor sixty minutes, two 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:49.520 and a half men. I don't think is on anymore, 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:52.720 but was somewhat recently. I think Law and Order, the 0:18:52.800 --> 0:18:57.680 Astros beat the Or got demolished by the White Sox. Right, 0:18:57.760 --> 0:19:01.160 Avian flu was a thing. The NHL returned after their 0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:06.080 lockout and the Coleberr Report started. This is a long 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:09.320 time ago. It doesn't feel so long because Matt Lioner 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:11.720 and Brady Quinn and Reggie Bush are still in our lives, 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:14.600 still on our four K TVs. It's a long ass 0:19:14.640 --> 0:19:15.080 time ago. 0:19:15.160 --> 0:19:15.320 Ty. 0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:21.440 Can I talk about something else, please, pertaining to the broadcast? Yeah, 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:25.159 I want to talk about the old Notre Dame on 0:19:25.520 --> 0:19:28.280 NBC intro score Ty. 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:30.960 Even before that, though, do you know what the first 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:34.920 words of the broadcast I watched were? And like the 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:40.639 most stereotypical Notre Dame, like tropy, nonsense, The year was 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:46.160 nineteen twenties six. I'm not Yeah, I think we watched exaggeration. 0:19:47.160 --> 0:19:49.280 They went through the history of it, and when they're 0:19:49.320 --> 0:19:52.240 taking the train out to la and it was the 0:19:52.359 --> 0:19:54.840 year is nineteen twenty seven. Nod Rockney's wife told them 0:19:54.840 --> 0:19:55.159 to do it. 0:19:55.240 --> 0:19:58.960 Yeah, Yeah, I watched it too, Blas. Yeah, I want 0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:02.720 the oral history on how NBC came up with that 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:07.680 old intro score, because again, not to go too much 0:20:07.720 --> 0:20:10.919 back to the live feed that people probably can't access anymore. 0:20:10.960 --> 0:20:15.480 But we did do a chat on Instagram where we 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:19.000 talked about the early days of Notre Dame on NBC 0:20:19.200 --> 0:20:23.280 and how one of the complaints from non Notre Dame fans, 0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:24.800 even some Notre Dame fans, was that it was a 0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:26.040 little too homery. 0:20:26.680 --> 0:20:30.199 Like watching the game on Notre Dame dot edu, the 0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:31.080 Notre Dame network. 0:20:31.280 --> 0:20:35.520 Yeah, and it's like they didn't want to be too 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:39.080 over the top, but they wanted to get Notre Dame 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:40.000 fans fired up. 0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:42.800 Sure, so they just borrowed like three and a. 0:20:42.800 --> 0:20:46.120 Half notes from the Notre Dame fight song and they blended 0:20:46.119 --> 0:20:47.439 it in with the rest of the music, so it 0:20:47.480 --> 0:20:51.879 wasn't too over the top. But then then it's like 0:20:51.920 --> 0:20:58.040 they listened back and they're like, we need to make 0:20:58.080 --> 0:21:02.399 people feel dangerous again. We need to make this older 0:21:02.440 --> 0:21:05.600 fan base feel dangerous. Yeah, And it's at that point, 0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:09.760 Dan that I can only imagine they made some guitarist's 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:13.200 career and said, can you add a little bit. 0:21:13.080 --> 0:21:14.040 Of dream theater there? 0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:17.080 Can give me just a little bit of a guitar riff, 0:21:17.200 --> 0:21:20.480 maybe a little California dreams tie just they borrowed the 0:21:20.560 --> 0:21:24.000 t NBC band. Just a little bit of just a 0:21:24.040 --> 0:21:27.200 little riff for me here, and that's how you get this. 0:21:31.480 --> 0:21:37.000 Wait for it, wait for it, Just wait a little longer. 0:21:37.960 --> 0:21:44.480 Here we go. Oh God, way up the fret horn. 0:21:46.920 --> 0:21:49.600 I gotta play it one more time. Just listen to this, please. 0:21:49.640 --> 0:21:53.879 Some guy got really into this girations. 0:21:53.920 --> 0:21:58.320 I'm sure it's probably the John tash Nick Saban guitar. 0:21:58.400 --> 0:22:02.399 It could be. Here we go, here we go, listen 0:22:02.440 --> 0:22:04.040 to that. It has to be. 0:22:04.359 --> 0:22:07.399 They don't use that anymore. They can't. Somewhere in the 0:22:07.520 --> 0:22:08.680 rock and roll Hall of Fame. 0:22:08.760 --> 0:22:12.920 Dan hold on, do we think this is Tesh? It 0:22:14.760 --> 0:22:19.240 could be, Well, he did NBC NBA on NBC his 0:22:19.520 --> 0:22:22.639 it was I think what Entertainment Tonight was syndicated. No, 0:22:22.800 --> 0:22:29.400 he definitely has an NBC Sports connection with musical intros. True. 0:22:30.000 --> 0:22:33.680 I think there's at least a thirty five percent chance 0:22:33.720 --> 0:22:35.880 it's Tesh and Tesh's band. There is a non zero 0:22:36.000 --> 0:22:39.200 chance that that's Tosh. Yeah, I think it's a robust chance. 0:22:39.440 --> 0:22:42.200 I'm looking this up now, but yeah, it's it's killer. 0:22:43.280 --> 0:22:46.840 They really went for it with that intro, and I 0:22:46.920 --> 0:22:50.560 totally forgot about it, to say the least. But it 0:22:50.840 --> 0:22:53.840 set the stage for every Notre Dame game, and this 0:22:53.880 --> 0:22:55.639 is a big one to watch it back. I mean, 0:22:55.680 --> 0:22:58.680 everyone was fired up. Tom Hammond sounded a little more 0:22:58.720 --> 0:23:01.160 pre programmed than usual, which was a welcome edition. It's 0:23:01.160 --> 0:23:03.800 been a while since I've had Tom Hammond in my life. 0:23:04.640 --> 0:23:06.520 And you know, we're going to talk a little bit 0:23:06.520 --> 0:23:10.119 more about the game here momentarily when we bring Yogi on. 0:23:10.880 --> 0:23:14.320 He's actually part of the coaching element of this game, 0:23:14.359 --> 0:23:17.280 so he can give us a little bit more detail 0:23:17.359 --> 0:23:19.840 than you know, maybe I could from the stands, or 0:23:19.920 --> 0:23:23.840 you could from your television. But certainly a great game, 0:23:23.880 --> 0:23:27.040 an awesome fourth quarter thirty four to thirty one was 0:23:27.080 --> 0:23:31.399 the final here. USC needed some heroics in the final 0:23:31.440 --> 0:23:34.000 two minutes to pull this one out, a long pass 0:23:34.040 --> 0:23:36.720 to Dwayne Jarrett which happened right in front of me. 0:23:37.600 --> 0:23:41.800 The Bush push, obviously a controversial moment in the history 0:23:41.840 --> 0:23:45.880 of college football, but nonetheless one that extended USC's winning 0:23:45.880 --> 0:23:48.720 streak at the time. It was twenty seven extended to 0:23:48.760 --> 0:23:51.760 twenty eight, and we know where it played out from 0:23:51.840 --> 0:23:56.320 there obviously played out in Pasadena. One of the all 0:23:56.359 --> 0:23:59.640 time great college football championship games, just college football games 0:23:59.680 --> 0:24:02.199 in general, roll between USC and Texas. 0:24:02.280 --> 0:24:05.240 Texas won that game to win the national championship. I 0:24:05.280 --> 0:24:06.040 have breaking. 0:24:05.760 --> 0:24:12.800 News, breaking news. 0:24:13.800 --> 0:24:18.880 She was Tesh. I can I confirmed it. John Tesh 0:24:18.920 --> 0:24:23.879 did college football and NBC parenthetically Notre Dame football. Oh God, 0:24:23.960 --> 0:24:26.399 that cheapens it. Oh, I think it makes it so 0:24:26.480 --> 0:24:30.000 much better. That was freaking Tesh. Are you kidding? Almost 0:24:30.040 --> 0:24:34.800 assuredly that was Nick saving guitarist. 0:24:35.359 --> 0:24:38.920 Damn hell yeah, that is some research here, that's off 0:24:38.960 --> 0:24:39.760 season research. 0:24:39.960 --> 0:24:43.520 That's Wikipedia, baby, that was Tesh. Yeah, that was Tesh. 0:24:43.920 --> 0:24:47.080 Get the hell out. Okay, yeah, now we know breaking news. 0:24:47.119 --> 0:24:50.000 That's perfect, no problem, all right, So do you want 0:24:50.000 --> 0:24:52.399 to get into this actual game. Let's talk about the 0:24:52.400 --> 0:24:55.560 actual football Let's let's talk about the actual football game. 0:24:55.640 --> 0:24:58.800 Dan went back. 0:24:59.040 --> 0:25:02.760 I was able to find something on YouTube. It sounds 0:25:02.760 --> 0:25:08.520 like it was the same clip, and I came away 0:25:08.760 --> 0:25:12.480 I think impressed by what I saw from Notre Dame 0:25:13.960 --> 0:25:14.199 and this. 0:25:14.359 --> 0:25:16.080 You have a surprise tone to your voice. 0:25:16.480 --> 0:25:20.560 Well, I do, because Notre Dame's defense was I think 0:25:20.800 --> 0:25:25.760 the big liability going into this football game. They were 0:25:25.880 --> 0:25:29.680 certainly not the best against the run. They were even 0:25:29.680 --> 0:25:32.240 worse against the pass, and that was a problem against 0:25:32.320 --> 0:25:35.320 USC because they got Reggie Bush who was in the 0:25:35.320 --> 0:25:37.520 midst of his own Heisman campaign. You've got Matt Liner, 0:25:37.600 --> 0:25:42.080 who already won one, and it's you got to pick 0:25:42.080 --> 0:25:45.160 your poison. Notre Dame, I thought, did a really good 0:25:45.240 --> 0:25:48.840 job with its front seven getting some pressure against a 0:25:48.880 --> 0:25:52.359 really good offensive line. Had a lot of future pros 0:25:52.400 --> 0:25:55.240 in that offensive line. They did a good job bringing 0:25:55.240 --> 0:25:58.119 pressure against Matt Liner. They did enough to kind of 0:25:58.200 --> 0:26:00.960 keep the offense in it and when the offense had 0:26:01.000 --> 0:26:05.119 the ball, I actually thought their game plan was pretty clever. 0:26:05.600 --> 0:26:07.679 They tried to milk the crap out of the clock. 0:26:08.040 --> 0:26:12.760 They overwhelmed USC when it came to time of possession. 0:26:12.800 --> 0:26:15.560 They just tried to keep that sc offense off the field, 0:26:16.359 --> 0:26:20.360 and as a result, the sc offense didn't get nearly 0:26:20.760 --> 0:26:23.560 their normal amount of offense in terms of yards. I 0:26:23.600 --> 0:26:28.439 think they were what six oh one in average offensive output, right, 0:26:28.480 --> 0:26:30.280 They didn't get anywhere close to that in this football 0:26:30.320 --> 0:26:32.480 game because Notre Dame just kept them off the field, 0:26:32.560 --> 0:26:35.320 so at least to that extent, I felt like, even 0:26:35.359 --> 0:26:40.800 though I wasn't privy to any coaching stuff, I felt 0:26:40.840 --> 0:26:45.360 as if the game plan was effective and they were 0:26:45.359 --> 0:26:47.679 able to keep themselves in the game until you know, 0:26:47.840 --> 0:26:49.560 the last however many seconds. 0:26:50.000 --> 0:26:52.000 Yeah, usc, I don't think they didn't get to five 0:26:52.080 --> 0:26:54.480 hundred yards, but they were still pretty efficient thanks to 0:26:54.560 --> 0:26:57.639 some bigger plays. And they both came out pretty slow, 0:26:57.680 --> 0:27:00.440 which is understandable in a huge game. The flow was 0:27:00.440 --> 0:27:02.920 was pretty uneven, I would say watching this game, Notre 0:27:02.960 --> 0:27:05.440 Dame started out really cold, but they had a couple 0:27:05.400 --> 0:27:08.680 of chunk plays. The probably the best offensive play of 0:27:08.720 --> 0:27:12.280 the game in terms of just steely confidence, Brady Quinn 0:27:12.280 --> 0:27:15.119 to Jeff Samarga for a touchdown sort of a jump ball, 0:27:15.200 --> 0:27:18.199 the perfect read, a great throw, a great catch. But 0:27:18.359 --> 0:27:21.000 in terms of what Notre Dame was actually able to do, 0:27:21.080 --> 0:27:23.800 this was not an efficient Notre Dame offense. No, they 0:27:23.880 --> 0:27:26.919 just sort of had a game plan to nickel and 0:27:27.000 --> 0:27:31.000 dime and hope for the best, and they sort of 0:27:31.000 --> 0:27:33.520 had a number of points. I guess both quarterbacks tried 0:27:33.560 --> 0:27:36.600 to give the game away. They both had two bad interceptions, 0:27:37.680 --> 0:27:39.840 one of which was I think one or both of 0:27:39.880 --> 0:27:42.600 Brady Quinn's were tipped. It was a tipped flea flicker. 0:27:42.600 --> 0:27:46.720 I believe that Keith Rivers ended up interception and intercepting 0:27:46.800 --> 0:27:49.200 sort of floating down in the middle of the field. 0:27:49.560 --> 0:27:56.640 But I came away surprised that both quarterbacks were more 0:27:56.760 --> 0:28:01.000 underwhelming than I remembered. Yeah, I loved Matt Liner, and 0:28:01.440 --> 0:28:04.280 I remember being so impressed with Brady Quinn thinking, oh, 0:28:04.359 --> 0:28:09.000 this guy's both the guys are sure thing pro success stories. Yep. Yeah. 0:28:09.040 --> 0:28:11.520 And it turns out, and I guess smartly for both 0:28:11.560 --> 0:28:13.680 of these teams, they just sort of got the ball 0:28:13.720 --> 0:28:16.080 to some talented guys and made smart decisions and won 0:28:16.119 --> 0:28:19.720 close games more often than not, USC blowing out more teams, 0:28:19.720 --> 0:28:23.160 certainly the better program around this time. But for what 0:28:23.280 --> 0:28:26.439 Notre Dame did for them to be in this game, 0:28:27.280 --> 0:28:30.359 I thought was all on the back of Brady Quinn, 0:28:30.359 --> 0:28:33.840 good and bad like he really he in the offensive line, 0:28:33.840 --> 0:28:36.680 I would say they struggled with USC pressure pretty much 0:28:36.680 --> 0:28:40.480 the entire game until the end when USC started sending 0:28:40.520 --> 0:28:43.280 extra guys. He really took a lot of abuse, but 0:28:43.880 --> 0:28:46.320 he was also the guy who gutted out essentially the 0:28:46.360 --> 0:28:50.040 comeback after a nothing second half offensively from Notre Dame 0:28:50.080 --> 0:28:51.600 in terms of scoring points. 0:28:52.000 --> 0:28:55.640 No, it's one hundred percent true, and I believe it 0:28:55.880 --> 0:28:59.400 was either Pat Hayden or Tom Hammond. One of the 0:29:00.000 --> 0:29:04.640 bouncers referred to him as all day tough Brady Quinn, right, and. 0:29:06.120 --> 0:29:07.480 You're absolutely right. I mean it. 0:29:08.240 --> 0:29:11.160 So much of this came down to him. He was 0:29:11.440 --> 0:29:15.040 tight early in that game, and his deep ball left 0:29:15.080 --> 0:29:17.120 a lot to be desired. But as the game wore on, 0:29:17.240 --> 0:29:21.280 and certainly on that last drive when he scampered in 0:29:21.320 --> 0:29:23.640 for a touchdown, he was three of three, made some 0:29:23.720 --> 0:29:28.760 big throws. I wonder why, in hindsight they didn't just 0:29:29.160 --> 0:29:32.160 lob every pass up to Jeff Samarja. I was wondering 0:29:32.200 --> 0:29:37.840 the same thing, Ty, you know, like Jeff Samarja watching back, 0:29:38.960 --> 0:29:43.000 I guess I didn't appreciate him in the moment the 0:29:43.040 --> 0:29:45.640 way I feel like I did yesterday when I watched 0:29:45.640 --> 0:29:48.000 the game, like he was so good. He was so 0:29:48.160 --> 0:29:51.400 much bigger than anyone trying to cover him. He caught 0:29:51.440 --> 0:29:54.600 every ball with his hands, and he was just a 0:29:54.760 --> 0:29:57.160 beast to try and man up. They had such a 0:29:57.200 --> 0:30:01.000 matchup disadvantage not just with him, but with Maurice Stoveall 0:30:01.040 --> 0:30:03.240 who was also six y five, wasn't nearly the caliber 0:30:03.320 --> 0:30:06.080 the receiver but had justin marsh that season though, but 0:30:06.120 --> 0:30:08.800 had really big games, had a good year. And also 0:30:08.840 --> 0:30:13.480 Anthony Fasano Anthony Fasano, NFL tight end, also six', five 0:30:13.800 --> 0:30:16.200 had a huge fumble late in the third quarter in this, 0:30:16.280 --> 0:30:19.520 game which had he not fumbled and Had Notre dame 0:30:19.560 --> 0:30:22.320 gotten some, points perhaps this outcome would have been a 0:30:22.360 --> 0:30:25.959 little bit. Different but between those three guys like there 0:30:25.960 --> 0:30:28.320 aren't a whole lot of college, programs maybe not EVEN, 0:30:28.400 --> 0:30:33.680 usc who can cover three high caliber players who are 0:30:33.720 --> 0:30:33.960 six to. 0:30:34.040 --> 0:30:39.040 Five the counterpoint, is if the philosophy is milk the, 0:30:39.080 --> 0:30:42.840 clock if you're throwing incomplete passes and they're, not, yeah 0:30:43.200 --> 0:30:46.040 sure they're not moving the ball before those incomplete, passes 0:30:46.040 --> 0:30:48.680 you're giving the ball back pretty. Quickly and that THAT 0:30:48.800 --> 0:30:51.920 usc offensive, line even with as good as THE us 0:30:52.040 --> 0:30:54.800 The Notre dame defensive, front looked in that game and 0:30:54.840 --> 0:30:56.840 pretty much all you is a Good Notre dame, defense 0:30:57.600 --> 0:30:59.800 you're changing the tenor of that. Game SO i would 0:30:59.800 --> 0:31:03.320 have thought that they would have CHALLENGED, usc especially because 0:31:03.520 --> 0:31:07.000 outside Of Darnell bing this was not a particularly GOOD usc, 0:31:07.200 --> 0:31:10.320 secondary you, know all things, considered compared TO i guess 0:31:10.360 --> 0:31:13.560 OTHER usc secondaries during this. Era but this was as 0:31:13.560 --> 0:31:15.520 we Saw vince youngdu late in the, year as we 0:31:15.520 --> 0:31:17.280 saw a number of quarterbacks do this. Season they were, 0:31:17.360 --> 0:31:20.920 vulnerable and the problem Was Brady quinn's LINE i don't 0:31:20.960 --> 0:31:25.280 think could protect him long enough to go through progressions 0:31:25.280 --> 0:31:28.800 and go. Downfield because even sending, five there were you, 0:31:28.800 --> 0:31:31.240 KNOW usc was putting out corner, blitzes they were rushing a, 0:31:31.280 --> 0:31:33.880 linebacker they were doing you, know double a gap. Blitzes 0:31:35.320 --> 0:31:38.360 he just didn't have the. Time SO i get, IT 0:31:38.400 --> 0:31:42.040 i suppose from The Notre dame. Perspective BUT i was 0:31:42.080 --> 0:31:43.680 watching this game AND i was, Like Notre dame has 0:31:43.720 --> 0:31:46.680 a single dude on. Offense all all due respect to 0:31:47.120 --> 0:31:51.280 a Gutty Brady, quinn what's the running? Back they had 0:31:51.320 --> 0:31:54.840 two running Back Varius walker And Travis. Thomas, yeah and 0:31:55.200 --> 0:31:58.200 respect To Maury stovall And Anthony. Fasano there were good 0:31:58.240 --> 0:32:00.960 players across His Notre dame. Offense the one dude Was 0:32:01.000 --> 0:32:05.440 samarsha AND i was surprised they didn't more successfully get 0:32:05.480 --> 0:32:07.320 the ball to him and he had a big. Game, 0:32:07.560 --> 0:32:10.880 yeah oh, Yeah but REALLY i was surprised That Notre 0:32:10.960 --> 0:32:14.840 dame went with so, many you, know jumbo, packages essentially 0:32:14.840 --> 0:32:17.920 putting seven eight guys on the line of scrimmage and 0:32:18.120 --> 0:32:21.120 trying to uh to gut out three four yards at a. 0:32:21.120 --> 0:32:24.840 Time and let's be, Clear samarja had fifteen touchdowns that 0:32:24.960 --> 0:32:29.320 year and over twelve hundred yards, receiving could have. 0:32:29.440 --> 0:32:30.800 Very easily been AN nfl. 0:32:30.880 --> 0:32:33.640 Receiver instead went to play, baseball where he made one 0:32:33.720 --> 0:32:34.920 hundred and twenty two million. 0:32:34.960 --> 0:32:35.960 Dollars so he's pretty. 0:32:36.000 --> 0:32:38.960 Good you could say he chose wisely from a financial, 0:32:38.960 --> 0:32:42.000 standpoint and you, know it's been a good picture. There 0:32:42.120 --> 0:32:44.880 we won't go into his baseball, accolades but that on the, 0:32:44.920 --> 0:32:48.600 rewatch it was a lot of, short high percentage. Stuff 0:32:48.640 --> 0:32:50.600 they were trying to keep the clock. Moving it was 0:32:50.680 --> 0:32:52.880 clear that that was part of the game. Plan maybe 0:32:52.960 --> 0:32:54.720 not the primary game, plan but a part of. 0:32:54.760 --> 0:32:55.000 It for. 0:32:55.080 --> 0:32:58.040 SURE i would have loved to have seen a little 0:32:58.040 --> 0:33:00.840 bit More jeff samarj just lob it up to. Him 0:33:00.880 --> 0:33:03.200 even if it's not the best, throw he was good 0:33:03.280 --> 0:33:04.120 enough to go up and get. 0:33:04.160 --> 0:33:08.480 It two. Time blitnikoff Finalist Jeff Samarja Brady quinn with 0:33:08.680 --> 0:33:13.640 an unbelievable ability to throw a pass nearly straight up 0:33:13.920 --> 0:33:17.360 when Going he threw a fade from like the twelve 0:33:17.440 --> 0:33:20.080 yard line that may have gone forty five yards up 0:33:20.360 --> 0:33:21.080 directly at the. 0:33:21.120 --> 0:33:24.600 Air, yeah directly put it like A harrier, jet directly. 0:33:24.720 --> 0:33:28.000 Up it went. Like the ability for him to put 0:33:28.120 --> 0:33:31.680 as little touch on the ball as possible was impressive 0:33:31.720 --> 0:33:34.080 in its own. Way who are the dudes on the 0:33:34.080 --> 0:33:36.000 other side of the, ball either For Notre dame on 0:33:36.080 --> 0:33:37.560 defense or FOR usc in? 0:33:37.600 --> 0:33:41.040 General to, you, well do we want to talk About Reggie? 0:33:41.040 --> 0:33:42.920 BUSH i think we should talk ABOUT i think it 0:33:43.280 --> 0:33:48.040 is so clear on the rewatch that the best player 0:33:48.080 --> 0:33:50.800 on the field Is Reggie. Bush AND i, know, like 0:33:50.920 --> 0:33:53.200 if you're listening to this, now you're, thinking, well obviously 0:33:53.640 --> 0:33:56.680 He's Reggie. Bush but to go back and rewatch, This 0:33:57.880 --> 0:34:01.800 Reggie bush is so good in this football. Game it's 0:34:02.000 --> 0:34:04.840 it's abundantly clear that there's no one else in the 0:34:04.880 --> 0:34:06.120 field even remotely. 0:34:06.160 --> 0:34:09.680 Close. Yeah the fact THAT usc was thought of to 0:34:09.760 --> 0:34:12.840 be creative on offense with the way they Used Reggie, 0:34:12.840 --> 0:34:15.240 bush and you actually watched the game with twenty twenty, 0:34:15.280 --> 0:34:18.280 eyes and there's just a lot Of, YEAH i, guess 0:34:18.960 --> 0:34:22.920 but why not much? More why not much? More Reggie? 0:34:22.960 --> 0:34:25.720 Bush why aren't there all sorts of little flare. Screens 0:34:25.760 --> 0:34:28.960 why isn't he going out for routes with linebackers on 0:34:29.040 --> 0:34:32.840 him all the, time or safeties, Whatever why isn't, he you, 0:34:32.880 --> 0:34:35.839 know just a thread on every? Play and they RAN usc, 0:34:36.000 --> 0:34:39.960 themselves ran a lot of, six, seven eight guys on 0:34:40.040 --> 0:34:42.680 the line and with the full, back And Matt linert 0:34:42.719 --> 0:34:45.160 made an all time terrible throw to what he thought 0:34:45.200 --> 0:34:46.960 was a wide open wheel route to a full back 0:34:47.920 --> 0:34:51.440 and through just the easiest interception perhaps in the history 0:34:51.480 --> 0:34:55.759 Of Notre dame. Football but it was surprising they had 0:34:55.760 --> 0:34:58.480 a reverse for him, late they had some screen action for, 0:34:58.560 --> 0:35:01.480 him but it was so abundantly clear that just this 0:35:01.520 --> 0:35:06.640 should have Been Jeff samarja Versus Reggie. Bush AND i 0:35:07.160 --> 0:35:09.200 think it missed the mark on what it could have. 0:35:09.239 --> 0:35:11.040 Been but that's twenty twenty, eyes, ty that is one 0:35:11.120 --> 0:35:15.040 hundred percent twenty twenty. Eyes on, Defense darnell bing was 0:35:15.040 --> 0:35:19.319 everywhere FOR. Usc Keith rivers really. GOOD i think he 0:35:19.360 --> 0:35:22.480 had a recovered, fumble he had the, Interception there was 0:35:22.520 --> 0:35:24.560 a defensive. LINEMAN i think he was number ninety. EIGHT 0:35:24.600 --> 0:35:25.920 i don't have the roster in front of me For 0:35:25.960 --> 0:35:29.240 Notre dame who had the sack On Matt lioner after 0:35:29.280 --> 0:35:32.080 being knocked down by an offensive. Lineman do you know 0:35:32.080 --> 0:35:35.319 What i'm talking? About, yeah like two plays before The 0:35:35.360 --> 0:35:38.440 Dwayne jarrett play right the, game he Sacks Matt lionerd 0:35:38.480 --> 0:35:41.760 on like USC's nine yard. Line is That Derek? Landry 0:35:41.800 --> 0:35:43.439 maybe it could have. BEEN i don't, KNOW i don't 0:35:43.440 --> 0:35:46.320 have the. Roster i'll go back and. Check, yeah, yeah 0:35:46.960 --> 0:35:48.759 that Was that was a dude. Play that was a 0:35:48.840 --> 0:35:51.480 dude effort that should have won the game essentially For Notre. 0:35:51.560 --> 0:35:55.359 Dame unfortunately For irish fans it. Didn't BUT i came 0:35:55.400 --> 0:36:00.080 away surprised THAT i also again Thought Matt lionert And 0:36:00.280 --> 0:36:03.920 Brady quinn were, better AND i know there were other 0:36:03.960 --> 0:36:06.440 games where they were definitely, Better AND i know they 0:36:06.440 --> 0:36:09.279 were both playing against tough, defenses AND i know that 0:36:09.320 --> 0:36:12.960 they're not playing in modern versions of the. Spread they 0:36:12.960 --> 0:36:14.160 did not have any arm. 0:36:14.280 --> 0:36:19.440 Talent Trevor Trevor, Laws Trevor, laws there you, Are Trevor. 0:36:19.480 --> 0:36:22.760 Laws they. Missed both of these teams missed a lot 0:36:23.280 --> 0:36:25.600 that was given to. Them that was. There be it, 0:36:25.719 --> 0:36:29.160 drops be it. OVERTHROWS i was surprised that two guys 0:36:29.160 --> 0:36:31.440 who were taken in the first, round who were for 0:36:31.480 --> 0:36:34.239 the most part rightfully, lauded they missed a. 0:36:34.360 --> 0:36:37.600 Lot, yeah game, well and, hey both teams really both. 0:36:37.640 --> 0:36:39.840 Teams, Hell i'm saying Both lionard And Brady. 0:36:39.920 --> 0:36:44.680 Quinn both both teams had plenty of chances to win 0:36:44.719 --> 0:36:48.120 that football. Game and you know only one, did but 0:36:48.239 --> 0:36:50.799 both of, them for. Sure it was out. There there 0:36:50.840 --> 0:36:54.480 were a bunch of opportunities that were left on the, 0:36:54.520 --> 0:36:57.160 table and it's part of what makes this game one 0:36:57.200 --> 0:36:59.279 of the greats because it was so, dead even the 0:36:59.320 --> 0:37:01.200 whole way through was. Dead even it was back and 0:37:01.239 --> 0:37:04.840 forth right down to the final. Wire you're just a 0:37:04.880 --> 0:37:07.360 mess in the, stands, right an absolute mess in the. 0:37:07.360 --> 0:37:10.120 Stands and not to mention that when you're in the 0:37:10.120 --> 0:37:13.879 stands at a football. Game Notre Dame, stadium at least 0:37:13.880 --> 0:37:17.080 at the, time was not the easiest stadium in which 0:37:17.120 --> 0:37:22.439 to stay informed because they didn't have like the electronics 0:37:22.440 --> 0:37:25.879 were just not on the level of other stadium. Right 0:37:25.880 --> 0:37:28.120 it's not Like Beaver stadium where you've got a massive 0:37:28.120 --> 0:37:30.719 board that you can look at, like, no It's Notre dame. 0:37:30.760 --> 0:37:33.120 Stadium it still had that, old crappy. Scoreboard you have 0:37:33.160 --> 0:37:33.839 no idea what's going. 0:37:33.880 --> 0:37:36.680 On you can't. See we didn't have the greatest seats 0:37:36.680 --> 0:37:37.440 in the. World they were. 0:37:37.440 --> 0:37:39.120 Good we were in the, stadium we were happy to be, 0:37:39.160 --> 0:37:41.640 there but we didn't know that final. Sequence we had 0:37:41.640 --> 0:37:45.000 no idea what was going. On it wasn't until after 0:37:45.040 --> 0:37:47.360 the fact that we saw the highlights we actually understood 0:37:47.400 --> 0:37:51.799 the sequencing and how things broke. Down but, no you 0:37:51.920 --> 0:37:54.040 just didn't. Know and because of, that it was very 0:37:54.120 --> 0:37:56.279 emotional in the, stands a lot of high, fives a 0:37:56.280 --> 0:37:59.160 lot of curse words being yelled, out even In Notre Dame. Stadium, 0:37:59.280 --> 0:38:03.840 yes and truly one of the greatest Experiences i've had 0:38:04.360 --> 0:38:06.720 just as a sports, fan being in that stadium trying 0:38:06.719 --> 0:38:09.279 to decipher what the hell is going. On should also 0:38:09.320 --> 0:38:13.080 Mention Tom's, Abkowski absolute. Dude Tom's ibkowski played out of 0:38:13.120 --> 0:38:15.239 his mind in that. Game he ran back a punt. 0:38:15.120 --> 0:38:18.600 Yep he was got beat a couple, times but never 0:38:19.080 --> 0:38:21.280 for touchdown like he was BEAT i think By Steve 0:38:21.320 --> 0:38:23.959 smith on a play action. Play but they were able 0:38:23.960 --> 0:38:26.120 to make the play was not a house, call just 0:38:26.200 --> 0:38:26.879 knew the right. 0:38:26.920 --> 0:38:30.799 Angles, yeah play played really gritty in that football. Game 0:38:31.000 --> 0:38:32.200 Ambrose Wooden. 0:38:32.320 --> 0:38:34.320 Wes welker, type Gritty Wes, welker. 0:38:34.120 --> 0:38:37.680 Gritty West What, Yeah Ambrose, wooden who was the CORNER 0:38:37.880 --> 0:38:41.840 i believe got beat By Dwayne jarrett on that notable 0:38:41.840 --> 0:38:42.840 pass play on the final. 0:38:42.880 --> 0:38:43.880 Sequence there. 0:38:45.360 --> 0:38:48.279 Had a bunch of big plays leading up to that, 0:38:48.360 --> 0:38:50.399 moment you, know where he would track a guy down 0:38:50.480 --> 0:38:52.400 from behind and prevent a scoring play or. 0:38:52.400 --> 0:38:54.640 Something they stuck with the receivers really. WELL i don't 0:38:54.680 --> 0:38:57.440 know if that was, unexpected but The Notre dame SECONDARY 0:38:57.480 --> 0:38:58.920 i thought did an admirable job. 0:38:59.080 --> 0:39:02.719 One hundred and fifth in passing yards allowed per. Game that, 0:39:02.840 --> 0:39:06.080 defense and to go toe to toe WITH usc the 0:39:06.080 --> 0:39:08.719 way they, DID i you, KNOW usc had big chunk, 0:39:08.760 --> 0:39:11.320 plays as you said, earlier and they certainly were the better, 0:39:11.360 --> 0:39:14.440 team the more talented team out. There But Notre dame's 0:39:14.480 --> 0:39:16.920 defense should just. Enough they did enough to kind of 0:39:17.000 --> 0:39:20.840 keep that game. Close and if not for that final 0:39:21.440 --> 0:39:23.920 incredible drive BY, usc they would have. 0:39:23.920 --> 0:39:27.479 Won, Yeah and if not for the final drive For Notre, 0:39:27.560 --> 0:39:32.480 dame they would have lost bigger because that was winning. 0:39:32.480 --> 0:39:33.920 TIME i don't know if it was A Brady quinn 0:39:33.920 --> 0:39:37.440 fourth quarter comeback type thing mentality in his, head but 0:39:37.680 --> 0:39:39.719 the drive he put, TOGETHER i think he had like 0:39:39.960 --> 0:39:42.800 three or four passes that went for over fifteen yards 0:39:42.880 --> 0:39:45.640 leading up to the fourth quarter or that final drive 0:39:45.680 --> 0:39:48.120 For Notre, dame and then it was just stick after 0:39:48.160 --> 0:39:50.759 stick after. Stick and there was the one player where 0:39:50.760 --> 0:39:52.600 he was running to his left and sort of threw 0:39:52.640 --> 0:39:54.600 it at the last second he lobbed it over A 0:39:54.680 --> 0:39:58.080 usc player to complete a first. Down that was an incredible. 0:39:58.120 --> 0:40:00.840 Play there was a lot of what ifs in the, 0:40:00.880 --> 0:40:03.160 game as there are in many big games and even little. 0:40:03.200 --> 0:40:09.239 GAMES i came, AWAY i think just impressed with what 0:40:09.360 --> 0:40:12.960 that fourth quarter was that overshadowed the rest of everything 0:40:13.000 --> 0:40:15.600 to ME i. Had And i've voiced some negative thoughts 0:40:15.640 --> 0:40:18.360 about some of the stall drives and sort of what 0:40:18.440 --> 0:40:21.480 seems through twenty twenty eyes Of tuce play calling and 0:40:21.640 --> 0:40:24.160 just architecture of the, offense which isn't fair to that. 0:40:24.239 --> 0:40:27.520 Time BUT i got in the, rewatch and we can 0:40:27.520 --> 0:40:32.359 talk about the broadcast itself. HERE i was eighty six 0:40:32.440 --> 0:40:34.600 percent as excited AS i was WHEN i didn't know 0:40:34.600 --> 0:40:37.279 what was going to, happen and that's a testament to 0:40:37.320 --> 0:40:39.839 how great that ending. Was it was a really good. Ending, 0:40:39.920 --> 0:40:42.560 yeah the fourth quarter is up there up here with still. 0:40:42.719 --> 0:40:45.280 Best does that game in some part of your brain 0:40:45.760 --> 0:40:50.239 remain in protest because of technically illegal push at the 0:40:50.320 --> 0:40:51.200 end of the, Game. 0:40:51.120 --> 0:40:55.920 No, no it doesn't because it for as close as 0:40:55.960 --> 0:40:57.759 the game was and first time. 0:40:57.760 --> 0:40:58.160 Illegal. 0:40:58.239 --> 0:41:01.239 Yeah, Yeah and, sure for as many chances AS i 0:41:01.280 --> 0:41:04.759 Felt Notre dame, had it didn't have to come down 0:41:04.800 --> 0:41:05.000 to that. 0:41:05.040 --> 0:41:06.399 Play, no they had. 0:41:06.440 --> 0:41:09.760 OPPORTUNITIES i mentioned The fasano, fumble but there were. Others 0:41:09.800 --> 0:41:12.959 there were other plays that were out there And Notre 0:41:13.000 --> 0:41:16.279 dame wasn't able to take. Advantage so you, know it 0:41:16.280 --> 0:41:19.120 shouldn't have come down to that play to begin. With 0:41:19.560 --> 0:41:23.080 and let's be, Honest Notre dame was ninth going into that. 0:41:23.120 --> 0:41:23.920 GAME usc was. 0:41:23.960 --> 0:41:28.440 Number one and riding a huge winning streak twenty seven. Games, 0:41:28.680 --> 0:41:31.480 yeah anything just to be close to me felt like. 0:41:31.520 --> 0:41:33.759 GRAVY i didn't expect That Notre dame was going to 0:41:33.800 --> 0:41:36.480 win that, game SO i think it was a little 0:41:36.520 --> 0:41:39.400 easier to, reconcile just for me as a, fan, again 0:41:40.160 --> 0:41:43.160 knowing that this was still probably a much more talented. 0:41:43.200 --> 0:41:46.640 Team it didn't feel good knowing That Notre dame lost to, 0:41:46.719 --> 0:41:48.520 him but at the same, time it wasn't in. PROTEST 0:41:48.560 --> 0:41:50.839 i still felt LIKE usc was the better of the two. 0:41:50.840 --> 0:41:53.040 TEAMS i did like That Notre. 0:41:53.120 --> 0:41:55.880 Dame there is a section Of Notre dame's playbook that 0:41:56.040 --> 0:41:59.840 was probably labeled different kinds of sneaks for a different. 0:42:00.040 --> 0:42:02.960 Situation Brady quinn ran the ball thirteen times in this. 0:42:03.040 --> 0:42:07.120 Game they they he. Did they had like a third 0:42:07.160 --> 0:42:09.400 and four from their own twenty and they did like 0:42:09.440 --> 0:42:11.759 a quick sneak and then they went for it on 0:42:11.840 --> 0:42:14.640 fourth and one from their own like twenty four for 0:42:14.800 --> 0:42:19.239 the first down ballsy stupid works, right it was he. 0:42:19.320 --> 0:42:22.600 Stupid they were. Running they were Running Brady quinn on 0:42:22.680 --> 0:42:24.400 a number of third. Downs AND i don't know if 0:42:24.440 --> 0:42:26.000 that was a lack of confidence in his arm or 0:42:26.000 --> 0:42:29.640 the offensive line or receivers getting open quickly enough against 0:42:29.640 --> 0:42:33.120 THE usc. Defense but, yeah he had like this this 0:42:33.160 --> 0:42:35.480 weird fake slant and then he would take. Off he 0:42:35.480 --> 0:42:37.799 would sort of tuck and that that converted like a 0:42:37.800 --> 0:42:40.960 third and. Five, yeah it. Was there was a definite 0:42:41.800 --> 0:42:45.360 element to this game plan that Involved Brady quinn tucks 0:42:45.360 --> 0:42:47.600 it or pushes the line forward as best as he. 0:42:47.680 --> 0:42:50.600 Can, yeah like maybe they saw something where the line 0:42:50.640 --> 0:42:53.759 was over committeeing and they tried to take advantage of 0:42:53.760 --> 0:42:54.680 that in short yardage. 0:42:54.719 --> 0:42:56.560 SITUATIONS i don't, know but. 0:42:57.440 --> 0:43:01.200 For sure like they were just with the running game in. General, 0:43:01.960 --> 0:43:04.160 Again Notre dame ran the ball fifty two times here 0:43:04.280 --> 0:43:07.200 two point nine yards per, carry so not at all. 0:43:07.280 --> 0:43:12.640 Efficient but if you watched each play in a, vacuum 0:43:12.840 --> 0:43:15.400 and if you were not able to connect it to 0:43:15.480 --> 0:43:18.279 the larger game, plan which AGAIN i think was to 0:43:18.360 --> 0:43:21.560 try and drain the clock against a better, offense keep 0:43:21.600 --> 0:43:25.279 them off the, field you could have convinced yourself that 0:43:25.360 --> 0:43:29.279 this was a video game Where Charlie wise was just 0:43:29.680 --> 0:43:30.560 trying to run the. 0:43:30.480 --> 0:43:31.120 Ball as much as. 0:43:31.120 --> 0:43:35.960 Possible, yes you, know like it didn't feel all that, 0:43:36.080 --> 0:43:38.920 balanced at least not early on in this. Game watching 0:43:39.480 --> 0:43:41.520 the way that he called the, game it was. 0:43:41.680 --> 0:43:44.360 A SimCity of a game plan built entirely out of 0:43:44.440 --> 0:43:50.160 modest residential. Housing. Exactly, YEAH i need the adage That 0:43:50.520 --> 0:43:54.440 Bill connelly A espn just in terms of what metric 0:43:54.640 --> 0:43:56.960 wins you the most, Games and you, know people point 0:43:57.000 --> 0:43:58.880 to turn over, margin and that's certainly one of the 0:43:58.880 --> 0:44:01.320 best ways to win a game by winning the turnover, 0:44:01.360 --> 0:44:06.320 margin but generating and stopping explosive plays is the metric 0:44:06.400 --> 0:44:09.640 that he has found most likely determines the outcome of a. 0:44:09.680 --> 0:44:11.000 Game IN usc won that. 0:44:11.040 --> 0:44:14.400 Metric so what was your general takeaway from watching this 0:44:14.480 --> 0:44:19.520 game now fifteen years? Later it both played out faster 0:44:19.600 --> 0:44:24.120 and slower because of no attempt at tempo and running 0:44:24.120 --> 0:44:26.600 as many plays as humanly, possible not throwing as many 0:44:26.680 --> 0:44:30.400 passes as probably either program would if it were twenty, sixteen, seventeen, 0:44:30.440 --> 0:44:36.000 eighteen nineteen, twenty the number of jumbo sets that both 0:44:36.040 --> 0:44:38.640 of these teams, ran considering they had quarterbacks who were, 0:44:38.760 --> 0:44:42.200 very very successful with very very good. RECEIVERS i was 0:44:42.239 --> 0:44:45.719 surprised at, HOW i, mean don't drink every TIME i 0:44:45.719 --> 0:44:50.680 say twenty twenty, eyes but how sort of old school 0:44:50.800 --> 0:44:53.160 for as as good as these programs were on offense 0:44:53.200 --> 0:44:56.680 and became on, offense how three yards in a cloud 0:44:56.680 --> 0:44:59.440 of dust they were willing to Accept that was weird to. 0:44:59.480 --> 0:45:03.160 Me but also. Huddles huddles are weird to. 0:45:03.200 --> 0:45:05.840 Me, now, well it's funny you say, that because my 0:45:05.920 --> 0:45:11.960 takeaway was that this GREAT usc, team this ICONIC usc, team, 0:45:12.200 --> 0:45:17.359 yeah would get bombed By. Clemson oh, yeah bombed By 0:45:17.480 --> 0:45:21.960 Joe burrow AND lsu OR tu In. Alabama it is 0:45:22.000 --> 0:45:25.960 such a different, era and it's really in the not 0:45:26.080 --> 0:45:26.600 so distant. 0:45:26.640 --> 0:45:30.440 Past, no and in this, listen it's in the last fifteen. 0:45:30.520 --> 0:45:34.000 Years the ability and the ability to scout and recruit 0:45:34.080 --> 0:45:37.400 and find guys online and watch way more tape than 0:45:37.520 --> 0:45:41.320 usual and better. Quality different, universe totally different, universe totally different. 0:45:41.400 --> 0:45:45.440 Universe so the, talent and this was interesting to me 0:45:45.440 --> 0:45:47.440 BECAUSE i went back and looked at the recruiting. Classes at, 0:45:47.520 --> 0:45:51.280 least however much you believe in total depth of talent 0:45:51.360 --> 0:45:53.640 having to do with team, SUCCESS usc was a lot 0:45:53.680 --> 0:45:56.120 more talented Than Notre dame near the end of The 0:45:56.160 --> 0:45:59.080 Ty willingham era in that First Charlie weis's recruiting. Class 0:45:59.320 --> 0:46:03.160 this was a pro pro finishing with classes in the, twenties, thirties, 0:46:03.200 --> 0:46:07.120 whatever AS usc was putting together top, three, four top, 0:46:07.200 --> 0:46:10.719 one if you believe certain recruiting, sites recruiting. Classes this 0:46:10.880 --> 0:46:14.560 was a much more TALENTED usc team Than Notre dames. 0:46:14.680 --> 0:46:17.759 Was and so with that, talent if we are going 0:46:17.840 --> 0:46:21.680 to push that team into the modern, ERA i am 0:46:21.760 --> 0:46:25.680 positive THIS usc team could compete with, anybody but what 0:46:25.760 --> 0:46:28.759 they look like schematically on, Offense you're, like, no this 0:46:28.840 --> 0:46:31.759 isn't this isn't. Working this is your maybe getting the 0:46:31.760 --> 0:46:34.759 best of What stanford has, been but not what the 0:46:34.920 --> 0:46:37.839 recent best Of, Clemson ALABAMA lco has. 0:46:37.920 --> 0:46:42.200 Been fair, Enough so general takeaways on the broadcast quickly 0:46:42.239 --> 0:46:43.000 before we get to our. 0:46:43.040 --> 0:46:47.960 GUEST i thought it was, FINE b PLUS B b. 0:46:48.120 --> 0:46:50.560 PLUS i didn't take exception with any of what the 0:46:50.600 --> 0:46:53.600 announcers had to. Say most of the, TIME i got 0:46:53.600 --> 0:46:56.160 a lot of, replay WHICH i was relieved. ABOUT i 0:46:56.160 --> 0:46:57.320 didn't know if we going to see multiple. 0:46:57.320 --> 0:47:01.200 Again by the, Way by the, way interesting, Factoid yeah 0:47:01.560 --> 0:47:04.000 that interested more than Just Tom hammond in this. Game 0:47:05.239 --> 0:47:08.560 given the rules at the, time the visiting team got 0:47:08.560 --> 0:47:10.879 to choose whether or not they'd have replay at their, 0:47:10.880 --> 0:47:14.800 disposal and oh, Interesting Pete carroll decided against. 0:47:14.840 --> 0:47:17.960 It, OH i was saying JUST tv, Broadcast. 0:47:17.480 --> 0:47:20.640 No, NO i, know But i'm saying from from the actual, 0:47:20.719 --> 0:47:23.120 game wow and a standpoint of on. 0:47:23.280 --> 0:47:27.279 Field, Yeah Pete carroll chose not to have. REPLAY i 0:47:27.280 --> 0:47:30.239 Thought Tom hammond was was good. ENOUGH i Thought Pat 0:47:30.239 --> 0:47:32.160 hayden was good. ENOUGH i thought the angles were good 0:47:32.239 --> 0:47:35.520 enough for the most, part AND i just missed the 0:47:35.520 --> 0:47:38.839 theme song desperately and. Forever now it's funny you should say. 0:47:38.840 --> 0:47:44.440 That just wait for, It just wait for the the 0:47:44.560 --> 0:47:57.440 tesh here it is right. Here, wow it's one crazy 0:47:58.920 --> 0:48:02.120 if only the The Notre dame band had the foresight 0:48:02.200 --> 0:48:06.240 to just play that. Song yeahftime and wheel owed a guitar. 0:48:06.320 --> 0:48:10.040 Soloist NO i. WAS i was pleasantly. Surprised even though 0:48:10.080 --> 0:48:15.280 it was sixty four percent to, HOMERY i was still 0:48:15.400 --> 0:48:18.000 pleasantly surprised with the broadcast. ITSELF i thought they did 0:48:18.040 --> 0:48:19.359 a good. JOB i really. 0:48:19.400 --> 0:48:22.719 Did not a huge fan Of Tom, hammond had never, 0:48:22.760 --> 0:48:25.279 been BUT i thought he did a really good job 0:48:25.320 --> 0:48:27.480 in this. Game And Pat hayden was better THAN i, 0:48:27.480 --> 0:48:30.920 remembered you, know was was doing a really good job 0:48:30.960 --> 0:48:31.319 up there as. 0:48:31.320 --> 0:48:34.919 Well so one of those games. 0:48:34.600 --> 0:48:38.360 That for sure will carry on in memory forever because 0:48:39.040 --> 0:48:42.640 not just for the fourth, quarter but the circumstances around the, 0:48:42.680 --> 0:48:44.359 game just a ton of fun the whole. 0:48:44.360 --> 0:48:46.240 Way can we do can we do one of those 0:48:46.440 --> 0:48:49.960 postscripts what happened? After for? Everybody like at The end 0:48:50.000 --> 0:48:52.839 of The sandlot or a bunch of movies Like, Yeah 0:48:52.880 --> 0:48:55.520 benny The. Jet rodriguez went on to set records for 0:48:55.560 --> 0:48:57.960 The dodgers and winked at the guy calling the game 0:48:58.000 --> 0:48:58.600 in the booth. 0:48:58.360 --> 0:49:00.600 Who still wears his old Fishing this is part of 0:49:00.640 --> 0:49:03.080 why The fox pregame show is a little weird for, 0:49:03.160 --> 0:49:06.800 me because It's Brady, Quinn Reggie, bush And Matt lionard 0:49:06.840 --> 0:49:09.200 all on the same. Set, true they are all. Friends 0:49:10.320 --> 0:49:13.240 they are all each other's god parents for their. Children 0:49:13.320 --> 0:49:17.200 that's not true to my, knowledge but it is, strange 0:49:17.200 --> 0:49:19.239 but it's. Good it's good that you get this sort 0:49:19.239 --> 0:49:24.160 of full circleness to. Everything, Spoiler Charlie weiss did not 0:49:24.239 --> 0:49:25.279 work out At Notre. 0:49:25.360 --> 0:49:29.160 Dame no didn' Where Reggie bush's legacy AT usc is. 0:49:29.239 --> 0:49:33.400 Complicated Brady quinn And Matt liner didn't necessarily work out 0:49:33.440 --> 0:49:38.680 AS nfl. Quarterbacks BUT usc is still chasing the ghost 0:49:38.760 --> 0:49:44.840 Of Pete, carroll and that's Something Notre dame in the long. 0:49:44.960 --> 0:49:47.839 TERM i don't know if you would say That Notre 0:49:47.880 --> 0:49:51.480 dame has, won but they've been a more stable program 0:49:51.760 --> 0:49:55.520 since the end of The Charlie weiss. Era, yeah, no, 0:49:55.680 --> 0:49:58.439 oh one hundred, percent which is very strange to, say 0:49:58.520 --> 0:50:02.120 considering what was going on into this, game the five 0:50:02.200 --> 0:50:04.239 years going into this game where it's just this slow 0:50:04.320 --> 0:50:08.240 rise FOR usc and just trying to pick their pets 0:50:08.280 --> 0:50:11.799 heads off the ground At Notre dame should mention just 0:50:11.840 --> 0:50:15.160 BECAUSE i like my. Nuggies the Former Notre dame athletic 0:50:15.200 --> 0:50:18.960 Director Kevin white his history At Notre, dame as far 0:50:19.000 --> 0:50:20.960 AS i can, TELL i don't know if he Hired Bob, 0:50:21.040 --> 0:50:24.560 davey but he Gave Bob davey an. Extension he then 0:50:24.920 --> 0:50:29.400 tried to Hire georgia, O'Leary didn't work, out Hired Ty, 0:50:29.480 --> 0:50:33.960 willingham Hired Charlie, weiss Gave Charlie weiss an extension that 0:50:34.040 --> 0:50:37.880 lasted let's call it six years after he was let 0:50:37.960 --> 0:50:41.080 go from the university where he would collect this incredible. 0:50:41.160 --> 0:50:44.000 CHECK i think Every. Christmas and now he is the 0:50:44.040 --> 0:50:46.719 athletic DIRECTOR i believe At duke so he is still 0:50:46.719 --> 0:50:49.759 a working athletic. Director And Ty, willingham even though he 0:50:49.760 --> 0:50:52.160 made way For Charlie, weiss went To, washington AND i 0:50:52.200 --> 0:50:55.040 assume that all worked out really. Well he got a 0:50:55.120 --> 0:50:59.319 vote of confidence from Then Washington President Mark. Emmerts so 0:50:59.360 --> 0:51:03.279 Everything I'm i'm sure is fine In, Seattle No Notre. 0:51:03.360 --> 0:51:06.560 Dame in terms of, stability they probably came out on, 0:51:06.640 --> 0:51:09.800 top but they have not come close to WHAT usc 0:51:09.840 --> 0:51:13.480 was able to accomplish in this. Era all, Right, ty and, 0:51:13.480 --> 0:51:16.360 now in the interest of equal, time we spent a 0:51:16.400 --> 0:51:18.880 lot of time in the intro of this show talking 0:51:18.920 --> 0:51:21.880 about your emotions as A Notre dame, fan the roller 0:51:21.920 --> 0:51:25.040 coaster OF i would say some disappointment in the years 0:51:25.120 --> 0:51:27.560 leading up TO Usc Notre dame two thousand and. Five 0:51:28.560 --> 0:51:30.880 the thing is WITH usc leading up to this, game 0:51:31.400 --> 0:51:35.319 it was. Gravy it was good times all. Around and 0:51:35.400 --> 0:51:38.600 since we have you as an emotional, Stakeholder, TIE i 0:51:38.640 --> 0:51:41.439 think we'd need a professional stakeholder on the other side 0:51:41.440 --> 0:51:45.960 of things for equal. Time Yogi, roth who wore a 0:51:46.080 --> 0:51:48.880 number of hats FOR usc at this. Time HE i, 0:51:48.960 --> 0:51:51.640 mean in today's, PARLANCE i guess he would have been 0:51:51.680 --> 0:51:54.279 an offensive. Analyst he was an offensive. Assistant he was 0:51:54.320 --> 0:51:57.320 in the booth next To Lane, kiffen who was calling 0:51:57.360 --> 0:51:59.720 the game for THE usc. Offense he got a cameo 0:51:59.800 --> 0:52:01.640 on the. Broadcasts we saw, Him we were texting it 0:52:01.719 --> 0:52:04.160 back to before see him very briefly in the booth 0:52:04.200 --> 0:52:05.719 on the broadcast in the second. Half you have to 0:52:05.719 --> 0:52:08.040 look closely for a nine year Old Yogi Roth ye 0:52:08.360 --> 0:52:11.640 in the. Booth Yogi roth of. Course now THE pac Twelve, 0:52:11.719 --> 0:52:14.359 network look up all of his, podcasts The Yogi Ross. 0:52:14.360 --> 0:52:17.279 Show he does A pac twelve podcast With. TED i 0:52:17.280 --> 0:52:19.359 was gonna, Say Ted, Miller Ted robinson of THE pac 0:52:19.440 --> 0:52:22.319 Twelve network and they're doing a zoom show while we're 0:52:22.320 --> 0:52:24.960 all at. Home, yogi thank you for joining. 0:52:24.840 --> 0:52:28.520 Us, hey thank you for bringing back down memory. 0:52:28.600 --> 0:52:29.920 Lane. MAN i appreciate, it of. 0:52:29.960 --> 0:52:32.399 Course SO i want to get into this right. Now 0:52:32.440 --> 0:52:34.400 this was a huge. Game you were a part of 0:52:34.440 --> 0:52:37.440 a number of huge games WITH. Usc what do you 0:52:37.520 --> 0:52:42.120 remember about even just the season leading up to Mid 0:52:42.160 --> 0:52:43.440 October South, Bend. 0:52:43.520 --> 0:52:47.640 Indiana, well it was my first year Coaching, Dan so to, 0:52:47.680 --> 0:52:49.719 ME i was, like, Well i'll just coach forever and 0:52:49.760 --> 0:52:54.239 never lose a, game you. Know And PETE i had 0:52:54.280 --> 0:52:57.840 known SINCE i was, nineteen and he had become the 0:52:57.840 --> 0:53:00.200 biggest influence in my life outside of my parents at 0:53:00.200 --> 0:53:03.000 a young. Age and he would always pull me and his, 0:53:03.040 --> 0:53:05.080 son who's not the run game coordinator for The, Seahawks, 0:53:05.080 --> 0:53:08.600 brennan aside and, say, guys this is not really what. 0:53:08.680 --> 0:53:10.640 Coaching IS i really like that, Whatever like. 0:53:10.640 --> 0:53:13.640 We're In La, hollywood, undefeated go for a third Straight. 0:53:13.760 --> 0:53:16.359 NATTY i just came off of like a career At 0:53:16.360 --> 0:53:21.400 pittsburgh and. Life life was, epic you, Know and clearly 0:53:21.520 --> 0:53:24.839 that wasn't necessarily the case as you look back on that, 0:53:24.880 --> 0:53:26.719 now knowing what we all know about the, profession but 0:53:27.080 --> 0:53:29.279 that's WHAT i. Remember it was just so, special it 0:53:29.320 --> 0:53:32.160 was so. Dynamic it was unlike Anything i'd ever. 0:53:32.600 --> 0:53:33.360 Felt you. 0:53:33.400 --> 0:53:35.759 KNOW i just played for four years in college at 0:53:36.040 --> 0:53:38.680 a high, level AND sc was like a different. 0:53:38.680 --> 0:53:41.440 Stratosphere and WHAT i had come to learn is that it. 0:53:41.440 --> 0:53:44.480 Remains that like nothing in college football has ever been 0:53:44.520 --> 0:53:47.600 LIKE sc because Of Los angeles and because Of. Pete you, 0:53:47.600 --> 0:53:49.640 Know bama, Wins clemson, wins but they're doing in the 0:53:49.640 --> 0:53:51.960 middle of nowhere compared to when we were doing. 0:53:52.000 --> 0:53:53.360 It so it was. Epic. 0:53:53.400 --> 0:53:56.080 Man and then you add In Notre, dame you add 0:53:56.080 --> 0:53:59.320 In Charlie, weiss you add in all the drama around the. 0:53:59.400 --> 0:54:02.800 Rivalry Even pete would say his first year he hyped 0:54:02.840 --> 0:54:05.600 up the drama so much of the, team and then he, 0:54:05.680 --> 0:54:09.040 realized like kids at s see the, players they don't 0:54:09.080 --> 0:54:11.600 really care like they care more about THE ucla game 0:54:11.640 --> 0:54:13.080 than they do Notre dame because they grow up with 0:54:13.080 --> 0:54:15.440 all those. Kids so he was, like let me just 0:54:15.480 --> 0:54:18.920 treat it as another game versus everything that of course 0:54:19.080 --> 0:54:19.880 was building around. 0:54:19.920 --> 0:54:23.360 It what are you doing behind the scenes at this? 0:54:23.520 --> 0:54:25.400 POINT i, MEAN i know you're working with the, OFFENSE 0:54:25.440 --> 0:54:27.920 i know you're working closely with the, coordinators but what 0:54:28.080 --> 0:54:31.880 are your specific. Responsibilities is a watching? Film is it 0:54:31.920 --> 0:54:35.520 working with the guys on the practice, field is it 0:54:35.600 --> 0:54:38.319 helping to scout ahead of? Time what is it that 0:54:38.400 --> 0:54:38.719 you were? 0:54:38.760 --> 0:54:39.040 Doing? 0:54:40.080 --> 0:54:41.960 Well it was kind of fun because it was the 0:54:41.960 --> 0:54:43.759 beginning of my career. There it was the first of 0:54:43.840 --> 0:54:45.799 four straight years THAT i spent at As see and 0:54:45.840 --> 0:54:48.160 by the End i'd end up writing Coach carrol's. Book 0:54:48.160 --> 0:54:51.040 and in the, BEGINNING i was just trying to, survive you, know, 0:54:51.160 --> 0:54:53.840 literally like you, think AND i tell this to athletes 0:54:53.880 --> 0:54:56.399 all the time when they think about, coaching we think 0:54:56.440 --> 0:54:58.600 we know the game when you're, playing you. Know AND 0:54:58.640 --> 0:55:00.520 i was like the smart receiver BECAUSE i wasn't the 0:55:00.520 --> 0:55:03.520 biggest of the, fastest BUT i knew nothing compared to 0:55:03.560 --> 0:55:05.760 what you need to know when you join a coaching. 0:55:05.800 --> 0:55:08.680 Staff so THERE i was call it. 0:55:08.640 --> 0:55:11.720 Six months end of the, time and you're just doing 0:55:11.840 --> 0:55:14.120 everything That lane And stark. Said remember this was a 0:55:14.160 --> 0:55:17.120 transition of offensive, coordinators, Right Norm chow left to The, 0:55:17.160 --> 0:55:21.080 titans and then came these two thirty somethings you, Know, sarkiffion, 0:55:21.160 --> 0:55:22.520 right it was their nickname. 0:55:22.239 --> 0:55:24.160 At least dayly times at the, time. 0:55:24.400 --> 0:55:26.680 AND i was trying to do ANYTHING i could for. 0:55:26.719 --> 0:55:28.959 Them SO i was always a week ahead in terms 0:55:28.960 --> 0:55:31.560 of advanced. Scouting so you'd break down three to five 0:55:31.600 --> 0:55:34.239 games Of Notre. Dame you, know the previous week we 0:55:34.239 --> 0:55:36.719 were PLAYING asu and we had to gear up for this. 0:55:36.760 --> 0:55:38.840 One SO i was already ahead of the head of 0:55:38.880 --> 0:55:40.520 the curve a little. Bit and THEN i was the 0:55:40.520 --> 0:55:43.200 guy who drew every. Play so IF i wasn't, MOVING 0:55:43.320 --> 0:55:45.520 i literally have the call sheet from that, game but 0:55:45.520 --> 0:55:48.440 it's in the bottom of a box right, now and our, 0:55:48.480 --> 0:55:51.240 playbook and my job was to draw up every play 0:55:51.360 --> 0:55:54.120 for the offensive players and the staff with all of 0:55:54.160 --> 0:55:54.680 the notes in. 0:55:54.719 --> 0:55:57.080 It and What sark And lane did. 0:55:56.960 --> 0:56:00.000 What was brilliant is by me drawing those plays literally 0:56:00.120 --> 0:56:03.440 thousands of, times it forced me to learn it and 0:56:03.480 --> 0:56:06.120 gain some mastery around. It SO i did, that and 0:56:06.160 --> 0:56:09.440 then my responsibility was the actual call. Sheet so the 0:56:09.480 --> 0:56:11.840 thing that you'd, see you, know star colding on the 0:56:11.880 --> 0:56:14.600 sideline when you watch the game, back or What lane's 0:56:14.600 --> 0:56:17.799 looking at that was me typing until two three every. 0:56:17.800 --> 0:56:20.200 Morning you, know little, changes sell, changes you, know the 0:56:20.200 --> 0:56:22.920 wristband That liner would be. WEARING i would make and 0:56:23.000 --> 0:56:25.439 build all of the administrative, ELEMENTS i guess you would 0:56:25.480 --> 0:56:27.080 say on the offensive. 0:56:27.120 --> 0:56:30.080 Side, So, yogi you did some of the advanced. Work 0:56:30.120 --> 0:56:32.680 i'm sure on on Noted. Deam how much of what 0:56:32.760 --> 0:56:36.600 the coaches saw from your advanced scouting did they sort 0:56:36.640 --> 0:56:39.839 of put into, Practice like what did they see in 0:56:39.880 --> 0:56:44.160 that advanced scouting that they sought to exploit on game? 0:56:44.239 --> 0:56:44.439 Day? 0:56:45.520 --> 0:56:47.680 Yeah, well the advanced, scouting the thing that it does 0:56:47.840 --> 0:56:50.319 is that it just basically PHRASE i like to use 0:56:50.400 --> 0:56:50.920 is chunks. 0:56:50.920 --> 0:56:52.120 Information so it. 0:56:52.120 --> 0:56:56.080 Says, hey majority on the first down of a possession 0:56:56.200 --> 0:56:59.120 or first and ten, situation second and, ten they're playing 0:56:59.160 --> 0:57:03.000 this on, defense third and whether it's one to, three 0:57:03.080 --> 0:57:05.720 four to, six et, cetera et, cetera they're playing. 0:57:05.760 --> 0:57:08.240 This these are the bullets is they like to. Bring 0:57:08.760 --> 0:57:09.960 this is when they like to bring. 0:57:10.000 --> 0:57:12.719 Them this is a front and what it allows us 0:57:12.760 --> 0:57:14.919 to do is when you click into the next game, 0:57:14.960 --> 0:57:17.920 mode which Is, sunday Usually sunday, afternoon. 0:57:18.040 --> 0:57:18.600 He kind of have an. 0:57:18.640 --> 0:57:21.400 Idea so then when you're drawing cards or you're trying 0:57:21.400 --> 0:57:23.600 to just send out like back in the, day it 0:57:23.640 --> 0:57:26.520 would be like one piece of paper we would give 0:57:26.600 --> 0:57:28.600 to the. Quarterbacks they'd come Up sunday night and be, Like, 0:57:28.600 --> 0:57:31.680 hey these are the initial thoughts we have for first 0:57:31.680 --> 0:57:33.200 and second down in the past. Game what do you, 0:57:33.240 --> 0:57:35.480 Think Matt John? David you Know MARK i think was 0:57:35.520 --> 0:57:38.800 a freshman at the, Time Mark. Sanchez so that's what it, 0:57:38.800 --> 0:57:40.720 does kind of gives them a little head. Start but 0:57:40.760 --> 0:57:43.120 WHAT i had learned is that coaches are so anal 0:57:43.160 --> 0:57:45.520 that Like gas and young, coaches we do all this, 0:57:45.640 --> 0:57:48.960 work but it kind of like it it, matters but 0:57:49.000 --> 0:57:52.080 it kind of doesn't because coaches just trust, themselves especially play, 0:57:52.120 --> 0:57:54.840 callers so they kind of do it all. Themselves So sunday, 0:57:54.920 --> 0:57:57.960 NIGHTS i would sit In sark's office and sit next 0:57:58.000 --> 0:58:01.040 to him as he kind of redid and double checked 0:58:01.080 --> 0:58:04.480 everything to make sure that IF i called something to nerd, 0:58:04.520 --> 0:58:07.320 OUT i know you guys like to in, overfront, right 0:58:07.400 --> 0:58:10.880 which would be like the nose tackle over one side 0:58:10.880 --> 0:58:13.480 of the, center and the three the interior defensive alignment 0:58:13.560 --> 0:58:15.720 over side of the. Guard, well if they saw him 0:58:15.760 --> 0:58:19.080 moved six, inches they might call it something. Different so 0:58:19.080 --> 0:58:21.360 they were always kind of double checking those numbers to 0:58:21.400 --> 0:58:23.640 make sure they were. Right SO i think they just 0:58:23.640 --> 0:58:26.480 gave him an. Idea BUT i don't think any coach 0:58:26.520 --> 0:58:28.280 in the country is going to count on or trust 0:58:28.320 --> 0:58:30.520 like a twenty two to twenty three year old kid 0:58:30.400 --> 0:58:32.240 you give them any sort of advanced game. 0:58:32.240 --> 0:58:35.640 Plan to be, Honest, well what was the general vibe 0:58:36.080 --> 0:58:38.160 among the team going into This Notre dame. GAME i 0:58:38.160 --> 0:58:40.960 know you Said Pete carroll tried to treat it more 0:58:41.120 --> 0:58:45.320 like any other, Game but you, know this is a 0:58:45.360 --> 0:58:47.560 program that came into The Notre dame game with a 0:58:47.600 --> 0:58:50.200 twenty seven game winning. Streak there was a lot of confidence, 0:58:50.240 --> 0:58:54.760 There but generally, speaking was was it a confident? VIBE i, 0:58:54.800 --> 0:58:57.560 mean they had a bit of a scare Against Arizona 0:58:57.640 --> 0:59:01.000 state THAT i suppose could have changed confidence. Level but 0:59:01.360 --> 0:59:02.720 where was the team at going into this? 0:59:02.760 --> 0:59:06.800 Game, yeah you, know confidence WAS i still think What 0:59:06.840 --> 0:59:09.120 pete did there around our confidence and how we built 0:59:09.160 --> 0:59:13.000 it was so different than than than anybody else in 0:59:13.040 --> 0:59:15.400 the history of college, football atleast in my twenty years 0:59:15.440 --> 0:59:19.040 around this. Craft AND i say that because we didn't 0:59:19.040 --> 0:59:20.280 gain confidence. 0:59:19.840 --> 0:59:21.080 Based on how we played On. 0:59:21.120 --> 0:59:25.560 Saturday and that was like ingrained manipulated into the brains 0:59:25.560 --> 0:59:30.040 of coaches and definitely the influence influential, players which was 0:59:30.120 --> 0:59:32.480 you're going to gain your confidence practice On. Monday And 0:59:32.520 --> 0:59:34.560 pete was so good at you, know you guys have 0:59:34.800 --> 0:59:36.960 heard about, it like the days of the, week you, 0:59:36.960 --> 0:59:40.960 know tell the Truth, monday Competition, tuesday no repeat or 0:59:40.960 --> 0:59:44.400 no Turnover wednesday and no Repeat thursday and Perfect. Friday 0:59:44.880 --> 0:59:47.840 and that was basically what you just. Did and you 0:59:47.840 --> 0:59:51.320 were so ingrained and engrossed in that that you didn't 0:59:51.360 --> 0:59:54.160 really think about, like, oh, man like we Got Notre 0:59:54.240 --> 0:59:56.200 dame this, week or we got to go to Sun 0:59:56.240 --> 0:59:59.440 Devil stadium this, Week like we didn't really. Care and 1:00:00.080 --> 1:00:02.760 it was interesting because here we are as. COACHES i, 1:00:02.800 --> 1:00:04.600 know specifically for, ME i grew up A Notre dame. 1:00:04.640 --> 1:00:06.280 Fan ALL i want to do is go. THERE i 1:00:06.320 --> 1:00:08.920 went to pit Because Notre dame turned me. Down like 1:00:08.960 --> 1:00:11.320 as sad as that is to, say So i'm here 1:00:11.400 --> 1:00:15.960 thinking about this, rival like, Hey Dwayne steve Like, matt 1:00:16.000 --> 1:00:18.240 like you kidding, Me like, yes aren't juiced up LIKE i? 1:00:18.320 --> 1:00:21.880 Am and they were just like, this and you got 1:00:21.880 --> 1:00:22.680 to give them credit for. 1:00:22.680 --> 1:00:24.440 That and that is All. Pete that was all this. 1:00:24.560 --> 1:00:28.240 Psychology, now with that, said all the coaches we knew 1:00:28.560 --> 1:00:30.440 was that what was at, stake the players knew what 1:00:30.520 --> 1:00:32.880 was at stake in terms of if you. Lose you, 1:00:32.880 --> 1:00:35.280 know at that era of college, football you were kind 1:00:35.280 --> 1:00:40.080 of outside looking in at a national championship. Opportunity so 1:00:40.200 --> 1:00:42.720 guys knew that and they felt. That but we knew 1:00:42.720 --> 1:00:44.920 that we escaped the previous, week but we also knew 1:00:44.960 --> 1:00:47.040 that we really hurt ourselves in that. Game and you 1:00:47.080 --> 1:00:50.400 go back and watch. It the first half was super. 1:00:50.440 --> 1:00:51.400 Hot nobody was. 1:00:51.400 --> 1:00:52.800 Prayed it was the Hottest i'd ever been in my. 1:00:52.840 --> 1:00:55.880 Life you, know coming From, pennsylvania we weren't prepared for. 1:00:55.920 --> 1:00:57.840 That but we came out to just kick the daylights 1:00:57.880 --> 1:01:00.000 out of them in the second. Half and we knew 1:01:00.040 --> 1:01:01.840 knew that we were the most talented team in the 1:01:01.840 --> 1:01:04.840 country and if we just, executed we would win and 1:01:04.880 --> 1:01:05.680 we would dominate. 1:01:05.720 --> 1:01:07.760 Teams and we knew it wouldn't be easy to get 1:01:07.760 --> 1:01:08.360 everybody's best. 1:01:08.360 --> 1:01:12.840 Shot but our confidence never was never really a, Question 1:01:13.040 --> 1:01:15.480 like even when we lost To texas that, year like 1:01:15.680 --> 1:01:18.800 confidence was still through the. Roof and that's all About 1:01:18.840 --> 1:01:21.600 pete of trying to just he really just made everybody 1:01:21.920 --> 1:01:24.240 realize that confidence is something that comes from your own 1:01:24.240 --> 1:01:25.760 self talk versus what other people are. 1:01:25.800 --> 1:01:29.360 Saying on the. Field Against Notre, dame THE usc offense 1:01:29.760 --> 1:01:32.240 had A i would, say up and down. Day there 1:01:32.240 --> 1:01:35.400 were some things that just looked kind of. Sloppy there 1:01:35.400 --> 1:01:38.240 were you, know maybe, misreads there were, drops there were you, 1:01:38.280 --> 1:01:40.800 Know Notre dame overwhelmed the run game at certain. Times 1:01:41.080 --> 1:01:43.920 do you remember being surprised by how well The Notre 1:01:44.000 --> 1:01:46.720 dame defense was. Playing do you remember thinking that your 1:01:46.760 --> 1:01:51.520 own offense seemed rattled by a moment that perhaps was 1:01:51.760 --> 1:01:55.240 bigger than they anticipated because this was not THE usc 1:01:55.400 --> 1:01:58.160 offense that we had seen in big moments. 1:01:58.200 --> 1:02:01.880 Before, Yeah, NO i like, YESTERDAY i remember. Halftime you, 1:02:01.880 --> 1:02:05.040 know every bed In Notre, dame the visitors halftime locker 1:02:05.160 --> 1:02:08.440 room is probably the worst locker Room i've ever seen 1:02:10.320 --> 1:02:13.440 in terms of college, Right, Yeah AND i haven't been 1:02:13.440 --> 1:02:15.760 inside it in a couple of, years but it hasn't really. 1:02:15.840 --> 1:02:16.560 Changed you. 1:02:16.560 --> 1:02:18.560 Know it's kind of like your old school like a 1:02:18.600 --> 1:02:21.120 bad gym locker in high, School like got a couple of, 1:02:21.200 --> 1:02:24.160 rows a couple of, rows and he only no space 1:02:24.200 --> 1:02:24.800 to address the. 1:02:24.840 --> 1:02:28.480 Team we came in and we're very, clear and we 1:02:28.840 --> 1:02:29.160 were a. 1:02:29.160 --> 1:02:31.640 Second half team that whole, year, Right pete's reel whole. 1:02:31.680 --> 1:02:34.760 Tenure they were a second half, program, right which is 1:02:34.840 --> 1:02:37.200 pretty much a detriment to EVERY usc coach after, him 1:02:37.240 --> 1:02:40.160 because everybody just wants them to make changes Like pete. 1:02:40.160 --> 1:02:42.840 Made it wasn't really about the quote unquote changes we, 1:02:42.920 --> 1:02:44.960 made but we're able to just kind of reset a 1:02:44.960 --> 1:02:48.000 lot of times at halftime and know exactly what. Worked 1:02:48.480 --> 1:02:51.640 stark And lane starts specifically was. Brilliant i've never been 1:02:51.680 --> 1:02:55.320 around anybody ever that can see the game from the 1:02:55.360 --> 1:02:57.720 sideline like he can see the game from the. SIDELINE i, 1:02:57.720 --> 1:02:59.959 mean he can tell what the defensive line is doing 1:03:00.040 --> 1:03:03.640 on the far side of the defensive. Line it's fascinating 1:03:03.720 --> 1:03:06.120 to hear those guys operat and that's where we. 1:03:06.120 --> 1:03:08.600 Were we also knew we were going to get their best. 1:03:08.600 --> 1:03:11.280 Shot you, know if you go back in, time, guys, 1:03:12.200 --> 1:03:15.240 yeah every team rocks the bus, now, right we started 1:03:15.280 --> 1:03:17.440 that the previous. Day we got There friday and there 1:03:17.480 --> 1:03:20.760 was ten thousand fans for our walkthrough outside Of Notre Dame, 1:03:20.800 --> 1:03:23.640 stadium and we start rocking the bus right and then 1:03:23.680 --> 1:03:26.040 we see the grass and IT'S x amount of inches 1:03:26.080 --> 1:03:29.160 higher than it usually. Is and then for, ME i 1:03:29.240 --> 1:03:31.960 played At Notre dame a bunch at pitt and we 1:03:32.000 --> 1:03:32.760 lost every. 1:03:32.880 --> 1:03:35.160 Game like this game. 1:03:35.040 --> 1:03:37.640 Kind of shook out in terms of you just kind 1:03:37.640 --> 1:03:39.960 of ran out of, steam and you hate to say. 1:03:39.840 --> 1:03:40.200 It was like. 1:03:40.240 --> 1:03:43.320 Touchdown jesus helped them out to a certain, Degree like 1:03:43.440 --> 1:03:46.120 it just felt so real because how many teams have 1:03:46.160 --> 1:03:48.959 gone into that stadium and played great and you lose. 1:03:49.040 --> 1:03:51.840 Late that's kind of How Notre dame has built their 1:03:51.880 --> 1:03:55.200 program on a lot of like fourth quarter. Wins SO 1:03:55.640 --> 1:03:58.040 i kind of was feeling, that AND i think our 1:03:58.080 --> 1:04:01.680 team it went back to our coffee and they never, 1:04:01.800 --> 1:04:05.080 Flinched like even when we were, down it was never 1:04:05.920 --> 1:04:06.880 we're going to lose. 1:04:07.160 --> 1:04:08.800 Here the streak. Ends it was. 1:04:08.880 --> 1:04:11.800 NEVER i don't feel as though our guys felt the 1:04:11.840 --> 1:04:15.440 burden of like it kept getting bigger and. Heavier oh my, 1:04:15.480 --> 1:04:17.640 god oh my, god the streak. ENDS i felt as 1:04:17.640 --> 1:04:20.160 though the pressure was On Notre, dame, like. 1:04:20.760 --> 1:04:22.920 End this, game let's end, it let's end, it let's end. 1:04:22.920 --> 1:04:24.720 It and you look at the last couple of drives 1:04:24.720 --> 1:04:27.760 of that, game and some moments like you, Know Brady 1:04:27.800 --> 1:04:29.480 quinn obviously, plays you, know out. 1:04:29.320 --> 1:04:31.640 Of his mind to a large. Degree he makes that touchdown. 1:04:31.720 --> 1:04:35.680 Run he's playing, Loose but we knew parts of their 1:04:35.720 --> 1:04:38.880 team were playing, tight AND i feel that looking back on, 1:04:38.880 --> 1:04:40.920 IT i felt THAT i felt then that they were 1:04:40.960 --> 1:04:43.680 trying not to lose once they had the. Lead VERSUS, 1:04:43.800 --> 1:04:46.360 us we were, saying just give, us give us another. Chance, 1:04:46.360 --> 1:04:47.880 man we don't care how much time it's. 1:04:47.920 --> 1:04:48.360 Left let's. 1:04:48.360 --> 1:04:51.040 Go how many times in the booth was the, phrase 1:04:51.400 --> 1:04:53.480 oh my, god thank God Reggie bush plays for. Us 1:04:53.800 --> 1:04:56.280 oh my. GOD i mean he, right he has those 1:04:56.280 --> 1:04:59.720 two enormous. Touchdowns he's a threat in the in the receiving. 1:04:59.760 --> 1:05:02.400 Game Notre dame has to account for him on every. 1:05:02.400 --> 1:05:05.520 Play and this is A usc team that had run 1:05:05.560 --> 1:05:08.280 the ball really well all year. Long was not outside 1:05:08.320 --> 1:05:11.000 Of reggie and his some of his longer runs running 1:05:11.000 --> 1:05:14.040 the ball that, Well Matt liner was not hitting receivers. 1:05:14.080 --> 1:05:16.120 Downfield he had a big play To Dominique. Bird he 1:05:16.200 --> 1:05:19.640 had a couple of big, plays like in the intermediate. 1:05:19.760 --> 1:05:23.960 Range but this was not THE usc offense consistently like 1:05:24.000 --> 1:05:26.360 it had been. Earlier is it just oh my, god 1:05:26.360 --> 1:05:27.400 thank God ritchie bushes. 1:05:27.440 --> 1:05:29.040 Here there was a lot of. 1:05:29.080 --> 1:05:31.560 THAT i, MEAN i remember the run where he kind 1:05:31.560 --> 1:05:35.480 of hurtled the safety AND i remember watching. THAT i was, 1:05:35.520 --> 1:05:37.240 like it's a. Route we're going to run these dudes 1:05:37.280 --> 1:05:39.320 out of the. Stadium and our team felt that. Too 1:05:39.720 --> 1:05:43.280 but AND i forget the safety's, name who was the Boxer. 1:05:44.160 --> 1:05:47.400 Toms he played out of his. 1:05:47.440 --> 1:05:49.400 MIND i remember he was all over the field in that. 1:05:49.440 --> 1:05:51.400 Game yeah. 1:05:51.480 --> 1:05:55.240 EXACTLY i mean those are the ones that, like that's 1:05:55.240 --> 1:05:57.120 what killed us in that. Game like you go back 1:05:57.160 --> 1:05:59.360 and at least and when we went back and watched 1:05:59.400 --> 1:06:02.320 it as a stat it was like it was the 1:06:02.360 --> 1:06:06.440 first time all year that year where throughout the game 1:06:07.560 --> 1:06:11.080 there were not a lot of, plays let alone drives 1:06:11.080 --> 1:06:15.360 where we didn't have Bus you, know we didn't have unforced. 1:06:15.000 --> 1:06:16.320 Air is WHAT i would call them now as a. 1:06:16.360 --> 1:06:20.200 Broadcaster you, know so the power return total bust unforced, 1:06:20.200 --> 1:06:21.880 there we don't do, That like we hadn't done. 1:06:21.920 --> 1:06:25.240 That it was terrible like we were moving the ball 1:06:25.280 --> 1:06:26.640 in the run, game but then. 1:06:27.000 --> 1:06:29.480 We wouldn't make a block or somebody would slip the, 1:06:29.680 --> 1:06:32.320 backside you, know from from a defensive end standpoint and 1:06:32.400 --> 1:06:35.200 track down the inside zone. Play that's where it was 1:06:35.280 --> 1:06:37.240 killing us all. Game we just couldn't get out of our. 1:06:37.240 --> 1:06:38.920 Way and of course you got to give credit To Notre. 1:06:39.000 --> 1:06:42.280 Dame they had obviously a talented team in that. Regard 1:06:42.280 --> 1:06:44.200 they were playing with incredible energy and. 1:06:44.200 --> 1:06:46.720 Confidence and the crowd was epic and all this stuff 1:06:46.760 --> 1:06:49.120 in that. PLACE i know you guys have been, there. 1:06:48.960 --> 1:06:52.120 But it's it's really cool because it literally feels like 1:06:52.120 --> 1:06:54.360 Like cameron into or maybe in, basketball like fans are 1:06:54.680 --> 1:06:55.640 literally on top of. 1:06:55.680 --> 1:06:58.840 You SO i just think that's kind of how the game. 1:06:58.920 --> 1:07:02.600 Went we never were able to put anything together for 1:07:02.640 --> 1:07:04.600 a long period of time in that ball. 1:07:04.680 --> 1:07:06.840 Game all, Right, yo you mentioned the. 1:07:06.880 --> 1:07:11.240 Grass you were there as part of the. STAFF i 1:07:11.360 --> 1:07:14.840 was there as a fan AND i remember walking out 1:07:14.840 --> 1:07:18.240 to my seat looking at the field and, thinking what 1:07:18.280 --> 1:07:22.120 the hell is? This but surely somebody forgot to do 1:07:22.880 --> 1:07:28.080 their chores, here walking through maybe the day before walking 1:07:28.240 --> 1:07:31.840 out onto the field the day Of, like is there 1:07:31.880 --> 1:07:34.960 any reaction to that. Whatsoever what did people say when 1:07:34.960 --> 1:07:36.080 they saw the length of the? 1:07:36.160 --> 1:07:39.000 Turf oh, yeah well it was the day, before it 1:07:39.040 --> 1:07:41.120 was the night before in the, meeting and you, know 1:07:42.360 --> 1:07:45.520 it was kind of the old coaching adage of, cool 1:07:45.680 --> 1:07:47.680 that might slow us, down but it's going to slow 1:07:47.680 --> 1:07:49.320 you down, too you, Know and. 1:07:50.080 --> 1:07:51.200 So we really didn't. 1:07:51.200 --> 1:07:53.880 Care it was kind of like and you, know you 1:07:53.920 --> 1:07:57.400 look back in that, rain that era of Coach, carrol 1:07:58.600 --> 1:08:02.200 every Team. Oklahoma there's even quotes From Bob stoops around 1:08:02.200 --> 1:08:06.040 this game where a lot of teams hoped things went their. 1:08:06.040 --> 1:08:09.160 Way you, know they hoped that it, Rained they hoped 1:08:09.440 --> 1:08:11.520 that the grass Slowed reggie. Down they hope that we 1:08:11.600 --> 1:08:14.760 turn the ball. Over and the difference is of hoping 1:08:14.840 --> 1:08:17.920 versus knowing or. DRAMATIC i still say that, now like 1:08:18.920 --> 1:08:21.880 a Fringe bowl team is still hoping things go well 1:08:22.000 --> 1:08:26.160 in fourth quarters of Games, Clemson. Bama certain teams they 1:08:26.240 --> 1:08:28.680 know what they can do and who they, are and 1:08:28.680 --> 1:08:30.680 that's what we. Were we're, like, okay, cool like you 1:08:30.720 --> 1:08:32.880 want to do, that you want to bring ten, thousand 1:08:33.320 --> 1:08:35.320 you want to Have Charlie weiss run his mouth like. 1:08:35.360 --> 1:08:38.400 Whatever it is that go, Ahead like keep hoping that things. 1:08:38.120 --> 1:08:40.320 Go well because we know that we're going to RUN 1:08:40.360 --> 1:08:41.080 iso right up. 1:08:41.120 --> 1:08:41.479 Here you know. 1:08:41.560 --> 1:08:44.759 What we know That Dwayne jarrett won't get covered in single. 1:08:44.840 --> 1:08:47.559 Coverage we know that our defense is going to bring. 1:08:47.600 --> 1:08:52.160 Pressure that was just the, mindset AND i don't want 1:08:52.200 --> 1:08:55.280 it to be felt as, arrogance but it was right 1:08:55.360 --> 1:08:57.360 on that. Edge and that's Where pete was. Masterful like 1:08:57.400 --> 1:08:59.120 he got us to play right on the. Edge and 1:08:59.160 --> 1:09:02.080 that's why you know our team led the nation penalties 1:09:02.120 --> 1:09:03.599 a lot of the, time or was one of the worst. 1:09:03.600 --> 1:09:04.760 Teams like we played on an. 1:09:04.880 --> 1:09:08.880 Edge officials knew, it opponents knew. It but it also 1:09:08.920 --> 1:09:11.280 allowed us to be as talented as we. Were and 1:09:11.320 --> 1:09:13.840 that's the EDGE i called the edge of uncomfortable is 1:09:13.840 --> 1:09:16.439 where greatness. Happens and that's where our team was because 1:09:16.880 --> 1:09:17.960 it was such a competitive. 1:09:18.080 --> 1:09:23.160 Environment so the game comes down to the final drive 1:09:23.320 --> 1:09:26.440 for each. Team, Really Notre dame puts together an unbelievable. 1:09:26.840 --> 1:09:29.920 Drive Brady quinn total, gamer leads them down the. Field 1:09:30.000 --> 1:09:32.160 hey they take the. Lead Notre dame, does and THEN 1:09:32.320 --> 1:09:37.000 usc with their backs against the, Wall Matt lionert comes 1:09:37.000 --> 1:09:40.200 to the line of, scrimmage checks into a play that 1:09:40.439 --> 1:09:44.840 or checks into something that wasn't necessarily called down from 1:09:44.880 --> 1:09:47.639 the booth or from a headset on the. Sideline what 1:09:47.720 --> 1:09:50.680 was that final what was That Matt lionert play and 1:09:50.720 --> 1:09:52.680 what was it supposed to? Be and what did He 1:09:52.960 --> 1:09:54.680 we know what he checked, into but what was the 1:09:54.720 --> 1:09:58.479 process involved in the biggest moment of that regular. 1:09:58.520 --> 1:10:03.840 Season, yeah, NO i remember it like. Yesterday, man it 1:10:03.920 --> 1:10:07.679 was it was, Cool LIKE i could Remember matt's eyes 1:10:08.160 --> 1:10:08.879 on the highlight. 1:10:08.920 --> 1:10:10.679 Film And i've always, SAID i still believe This Matt 1:10:10.760 --> 1:10:12.840 leonard is the coolest Guy i've ever. Met no offense 1:10:12.880 --> 1:10:15.960 to either one of, You like he's swag around. 1:10:16.080 --> 1:10:19.599 Him it's close to, him close two, three close two. 1:10:19.600 --> 1:10:22.400 Three But matt's always had this aura about, him like 1:10:22.479 --> 1:10:25.160 that THAT edg factor right where when you walk into a, 1:10:25.240 --> 1:10:28.120 room people feel you and you make them. Better and 1:10:28.200 --> 1:10:31.439 he always did. That AND i can remember the sequence 1:10:31.439 --> 1:10:33.280 And i'll take you through. It so up in the, 1:10:33.280 --> 1:10:35.160 Booth i'm next To. Lane my job at the time 1:10:35.280 --> 1:10:38.800 is to basically write down what play we run and 1:10:38.840 --> 1:10:41.680 then the coverage that has run in association with, it 1:10:41.920 --> 1:10:43.840 and the other guy sitting next to me is job 1:10:43.960 --> 1:10:46.160 is to write down the defensive front and if there's 1:10:46.160 --> 1:10:49.200 blisses after the, series we give those pieces of paper 1:10:49.200 --> 1:10:51.240 in a lane and he looks at what do they play? 1:10:51.280 --> 1:10:52.120 Against what? 1:10:52.280 --> 1:10:55.519 Formation we come up there? Now and here it is 1:10:56.000 --> 1:10:58.720 season on the line. Right everybody knows. It and the 1:10:58.720 --> 1:11:01.000 play we call is sixty one AND i believe it 1:11:01.000 --> 1:11:05.040 was sam. Protection why option and the play in the? 1:11:05.080 --> 1:11:08.280 FORMATION i believe it was a three by one, formation 1:11:09.040 --> 1:11:13.400 and the option route is from your tight, End Dominique, 1:11:13.400 --> 1:11:18.200 Bird Dominique. Bird he could either take the option, out 1:11:18.479 --> 1:11:20.840 take the option, in or if there's no deep, safety 1:11:20.880 --> 1:11:23.280 you just run to go. Route there was clearly a deep. 1:11:23.320 --> 1:11:27.959 Safety and What lane says To, sark And sark relays 1:11:28.000 --> 1:11:31.240 To matt is if they give us this certain, look 1:11:31.960 --> 1:11:33.880 check it to eighty two stay. 1:11:34.240 --> 1:11:37.160 And eighty two, stay slug. GO i think it was 1:11:37.320 --> 1:11:37.840 F win. 1:11:39.600 --> 1:11:42.200 Was the audible that we often, called and it was 1:11:42.320 --> 1:11:46.519 old School West coast. Offense slat and go on on 1:11:46.560 --> 1:11:48.760 the front, side OR i guess it'd be on the 1:11:48.800 --> 1:11:53.200 backside and then, uh basically slug go win on the 1:11:53.240 --> 1:11:55.559 on the front, side so it's flat and Go Dwayne 1:11:55.640 --> 1:11:59.960 jarrett seam route by the slot, receiver hitch way out 1:12:00.160 --> 1:12:02.679 side and max protection by the tight End Dominique bird 1:12:02.720 --> 1:12:04.160 and the running back and the running back. 1:12:04.240 --> 1:12:06.080 Right you could trickle out if he had. 1:12:06.120 --> 1:12:08.559 To later he trickled out on the previous, snap if 1:12:08.560 --> 1:12:10.120 you remember, that when he caught it and made a 1:12:10.200 --> 1:12:13.760 nice little. Game so we audible of that or what 1:12:13.800 --> 1:12:16.840 we call sixty, one we call the y option. Play 1:12:17.439 --> 1:12:19.920 and Here's lane next to, me And i'm, like not 1:12:20.000 --> 1:12:22.720 saying a, word, obviously you're just kind of. Watching you 1:12:22.760 --> 1:12:24.679 see the, coverage you know what they need to. See 1:12:24.760 --> 1:12:29.040 and it's really this moment of zen amid chaos Of 1:12:29.200 --> 1:12:33.400 Lane Sark, liner and they, go it's the. 1:12:33.400 --> 1:12:36.360 Look it's the. Look have him change. It And sark 1:12:36.479 --> 1:12:39.639 screams in that voice that you, know, hey eighty two 1:12:39.720 --> 1:12:42.320 stay and the signal Is i'm giving it to you. 1:12:42.360 --> 1:12:43.559 NOW i don't know if you can. 1:12:43.520 --> 1:12:46.640 See ye holding wide binoculars. 1:12:46.960 --> 1:12:50.320 Exactly and it's out to the side and he gives 1:12:50.360 --> 1:12:54.400 them that signal and everybody relays it and you Hear 1:12:54.479 --> 1:12:58.479 matt with his EyeBlack left to the right offensive line tight. 1:12:58.560 --> 1:13:00.280 End everybody gets the signal. 1:13:00.560 --> 1:13:03.600 And it's single high and we're, like, okay if his 1:13:03.800 --> 1:13:06.360 eyes can hold the safety which was the whole. Point 1:13:06.400 --> 1:13:08.920 if it's the single high, defense like we're gonna we're gonna. 1:13:08.920 --> 1:13:13.479 Win and they, did AND, Dj dwayne obviously, wins is 1:13:13.520 --> 1:13:15.439 released of the line of scrimmage. 1:13:15.320 --> 1:13:18.040 And for the first time in a long, time. 1:13:18.120 --> 1:13:20.040 The football gods if you believe in, them AND i 1:13:20.040 --> 1:13:22.680 don't necessarily do all the, time but if you believe in. 1:13:22.720 --> 1:13:25.000 Them they're on the side of the visitor In Notre 1:13:25.080 --> 1:13:28.960 Dame stadium and it goes right past or three dollars 1:13:29.439 --> 1:13:32.200 suits me up with THE dB And dwayne makes the. 1:13:32.200 --> 1:13:35.000 Catch so we see it in the booth before it. 1:13:35.040 --> 1:13:36.639 Happens he's got, Him he's got, Him he's got. 1:13:36.720 --> 1:13:39.680 Him and then AND i hate to say, it BUT 1:13:39.760 --> 1:13:42.280 i had zero, Poise no one had any poise because 1:13:42.280 --> 1:13:42.639 he caught. 1:13:42.680 --> 1:13:45.519 It and we are jumping up and down in the press. 1:13:45.560 --> 1:13:48.800 Box GO dj, Go AND i Remember lane coach the 1:13:48.840 --> 1:13:52.280 receivers Recruited dwayne out Of New, jersey and we're, thinking 1:13:52.320 --> 1:13:54.559 this is a house, call walk, off this is how 1:13:54.600 --> 1:13:58.439 you win the ball. Game and as he's doing, that 1:13:58.760 --> 1:14:01.920 we're all. Celebrating the payers THAT i referenced earlier are now. 1:14:02.040 --> 1:14:06.679 Everywhere there's nothing Like it's a Disaster Notre dame because, 1:14:06.720 --> 1:14:09.000 they're you, know an old iconic. 1:14:09.040 --> 1:14:12.000 Stadium maybe they have this old LITTLE tv up in the, 1:14:12.080 --> 1:14:15.240 right And i'm up there like fist, popping Like i'm In, 1:14:15.320 --> 1:14:17.760 vegas AND i smashed. 1:14:17.160 --> 1:14:18.519 The television. 1:14:19.760 --> 1:14:22.000 AND i felt LIKE i broke, it but it didn't, 1:14:22.000 --> 1:14:24.400 matter like you just it was next play, right you're 1:14:24.400 --> 1:14:25.200 screaming the. 1:14:25.240 --> 1:14:27.720 Adrenaline it's insane for. 1:14:27.880 --> 1:14:31.320 ME i, MEAN i had an utter distaste for Everything 1:14:31.360 --> 1:14:34.720 Notre dame because HERE i am like twelve months removed from, 1:14:34.720 --> 1:14:37.320 playing only wanted to go. There never beat him in 1:14:37.360 --> 1:14:39.360 my career as a, player we always lost, clothes AS 1:14:39.360 --> 1:14:39.839 i referenced. 1:14:39.840 --> 1:14:42.600 Earlier SO i like instantly revert back to like the 1:14:42.680 --> 1:14:43.760 kid in college in a. 1:14:43.760 --> 1:14:47.840 Heartbeat and then it gets hot and we're, thinking oh my, 1:14:47.920 --> 1:14:51.280 god it's, chaos, right and we sit back down and 1:14:51.320 --> 1:14:53.320 like headsets are, off, Man like this is not like 1:14:53.800 --> 1:14:57.200 it's like organized, cast, Right like this is pandemonium in 1:14:57.240 --> 1:15:00.360 the booth right alone in the, sideline like you guys saw, it, 1:15:00.479 --> 1:15:03.800 Right and there's the great YouTube viral clips that are 1:15:03.840 --> 1:15:06.479 out there all over with everybody kind of running back 1:15:06.520 --> 1:15:10.760 and forth and among amid all of, that AND i 1:15:10.800 --> 1:15:13.800 just talked about it on A pack twelve YouTube Series 1:15:13.800 --> 1:15:16.760 i'm doing About Coach carroll because it was one of 1:15:16.760 --> 1:15:18.400 his proudest moments and when he. 1:15:18.320 --> 1:15:20.920 Looks back on his career because he wasn't that. 1:15:20.960 --> 1:15:25.400 Way he was straight like, poised and he always had trained. 1:15:25.439 --> 1:15:27.519 Himself then in the moments of chaos he would be 1:15:27.600 --> 1:15:29.000 the calmnist and he. 1:15:29.240 --> 1:15:31.680 Was and here we are trying to figure it, out 1:15:31.720 --> 1:15:34.439 what do we? Do like don't we? Do And i'll 1:15:34.479 --> 1:15:36.559 hit a period, There but that's basically what set up 1:15:36.600 --> 1:15:37.720 the next segment of. 1:15:37.760 --> 1:15:40.360 Plays so the next segment of plays is The bush. 1:15:40.400 --> 1:15:46.200 Push The bush push is forever enshrined in the history 1:15:46.200 --> 1:15:48.519 of college. Football Matt liner goes up to the, line 1:15:48.520 --> 1:15:51.479 acts as if he's gonna stop the clock because the 1:15:51.479 --> 1:15:53.559 clock was whining at that point in time us he 1:15:53.640 --> 1:15:57.599 was out of. Timeouts instead of clocking the, ball decides 1:15:57.640 --> 1:16:01.040 to go, forward initially stopped on that on that first, 1:16:01.080 --> 1:16:05.679 push he kind of spins. Around he's facing backwards Towards Reggie, 1:16:05.680 --> 1:16:09.040 bush And reggie just gives him a shove and knocks 1:16:09.080 --> 1:16:11.680 him into the end. Zone alast The bush. Push what 1:16:11.800 --> 1:16:12.960 is the reaction like after? 1:16:13.000 --> 1:16:17.040 That, WELL i got to remember, too right prior to 1:16:17.080 --> 1:16:21.000 That lioner it sneaks and kind of does like the 1:16:21.080 --> 1:16:25.240 worthybird nods of the, sideline and the clock runs out 1:16:26.280 --> 1:16:28.639 and the fans rush the field AND i think the game's, 1:16:28.680 --> 1:16:32.679 over and Again pete is straight poised and it's set back. 1:16:32.720 --> 1:16:35.080 Up and while that's, happening the headsets are still on 1:16:35.160 --> 1:16:38.000 And lane And stark, again they were just so dialed 1:16:38.640 --> 1:16:40.960 and they're talking To matt about what to do and what. 1:16:40.920 --> 1:16:41.880 The play call is going to. 1:16:41.920 --> 1:16:45.679 Be and we had an audible within that play call 1:16:46.080 --> 1:16:49.360 where you know you're signaling spike, it spike, it spike. 1:16:49.400 --> 1:16:52.760 It but if one of the coaches pointed at you 1:16:53.479 --> 1:16:55.560 basically gave you the, option, like, Hey, matt if you 1:16:55.600 --> 1:16:57.920 want to take, it take, it you, Know and we 1:16:58.080 --> 1:17:00.400 obviously all the trust in the world And matt And 1:17:01.439 --> 1:17:03.280 i'm sure you guys have heard the story From matt's. 1:17:03.280 --> 1:17:06.360 Mouth if, not it's a great. Story he shared. 1:17:06.400 --> 1:17:09.439 It he shared it many times where he kind of 1:17:09.439 --> 1:17:10.840 just turns around and looks At reggie and he. 1:17:10.840 --> 1:17:11.720 Goes, hey let's do. 1:17:11.760 --> 1:17:14.800 This and that was kind of the relationship those two, 1:17:14.840 --> 1:17:17.160 had and you, know everything that they've been through and 1:17:17.160 --> 1:17:17.680 what we've been. 1:17:17.680 --> 1:17:19.479 Through And reggie was on his Own heisman run at 1:17:19.479 --> 1:17:20.040 the time. 1:17:20.560 --> 1:17:24.320 And the way it, goes and you knew he was 1:17:24.360 --> 1:17:28.160 going to make it like there was never a hesitation offensive. 1:17:28.200 --> 1:17:30.439 Line and you look at you look back at that offensive. 1:17:30.439 --> 1:17:32.960 Line we're talking Like Ryan, Khalil Sam. 1:17:33.000 --> 1:17:35.240 BAKER i, mean there's the dudes of dudes on that 1:17:35.280 --> 1:17:38.719 line obviously already kicked out in THE, nfl And reggie 1:17:38.760 --> 1:17:41.000 wasn't going to allow it to. Happen and he's kind 1:17:41.000 --> 1:17:44.160 of happened in slow, motion, Man and when it, happened 1:17:44.280 --> 1:17:48.760 we lost our minds again in the booth and all 1:17:48.760 --> 1:17:49.639 we want to do is get. 1:17:49.520 --> 1:17:50.400 Down there as fast as. 1:17:50.439 --> 1:17:54.559 Possible And i'll never forget, it because there's only two 1:17:54.600 --> 1:17:56.519 of these THAT i remember in my, career and one 1:17:56.560 --> 1:17:56.960 of them was this. 1:17:57.000 --> 1:17:58.640 Game the other one is The texas, game but that we. 1:17:58.760 --> 1:18:03.719 Lost but you usually get escorted down by police, security 1:18:03.800 --> 1:18:07.360 Especially Notre, dame because it's it's not LIKE i don't 1:18:07.360 --> 1:18:08.800 know what it is now for, staffs but it's not 1:18:08.840 --> 1:18:11.600 really set up for staffs to get back down to 1:18:11.600 --> 1:18:13.439 the booth or get down to the locker room very, 1:18:13.439 --> 1:18:15.960 easily like you basically have to like kind of run 1:18:16.240 --> 1:18:19.320 through the fans and find your way back to the, 1:18:19.360 --> 1:18:21.200 tunnel and they work your way through the. TUNNEL i, 1:18:21.240 --> 1:18:25.200 mean it's it's chaos and this game was. Bonkers so 1:18:25.320 --> 1:18:28.320 we get out and there's people everywhere because people are, pissed, 1:18:28.360 --> 1:18:31.000 right Like Notre dame fans are. Leaving everybody's you, know 1:18:31.280 --> 1:18:32.400 pushing shouldn't. 1:18:32.040 --> 1:18:34.160 Be nobody really knew the, RULE i believe in that, 1:18:34.200 --> 1:18:36.600 Era LIKE i don't think you guys watched the. BROADCAST 1:18:37.240 --> 1:18:38.439 i highly doubt they, said, like. 1:18:38.479 --> 1:18:40.519 Yeah you're allowed to, push but you can't. Pull like 1:18:40.960 --> 1:18:43.959 that rule had didn't even exist yet in college. Football 1:18:44.360 --> 1:18:46.360 so there was a lot of debate about what went, 1:18:46.400 --> 1:18:49.160 on let alone should the game already have been? Over 1:18:49.479 --> 1:18:53.080 So Notre dame fans clearly are very upset in that. 1:18:53.120 --> 1:18:59.240 Regard so It's, Lane Rocky, seto, Myself Dave, watson Sam, 1:18:59.240 --> 1:19:00.200 Oo there's a couple of. 1:19:00.320 --> 1:19:03.200 Us they were like scurrying out And i'm trying to 1:19:03.240 --> 1:19:04.160 still gather up all those. 1:19:04.160 --> 1:19:05.960 Papers you, know you don't want to leave, Anything like 1:19:06.200 --> 1:19:08.160 every coach is paranoid, that like you leave all your, 1:19:08.200 --> 1:19:10.920 secrets even though everybody does the same thing for the most. 1:19:10.920 --> 1:19:13.439 Part SO i gather everything, up put it into a little, 1:19:13.479 --> 1:19:16.680 briefcase and you, KNOW tv is pretty much a disaster up, 1:19:16.720 --> 1:19:21.120 anyway and we run our way down and get to 1:19:21.160 --> 1:19:24.559 the locker room as fast as possible because for his masterful, 1:19:24.600 --> 1:19:26.800 As pete wasn't so many. Things he was such a great, 1:19:26.800 --> 1:19:28.920 orator and we wanted to hear what he's gonna. 1:19:28.960 --> 1:19:29.960 SAY i want to celebrate with the. 1:19:30.400 --> 1:19:33.640 Fellas and it was, crazy, man it was just it 1:19:33.720 --> 1:19:36.200 was an Ultimate excel game. 1:19:36.200 --> 1:19:38.640 Of, like not of thank god it's. Over we. 1:19:38.720 --> 1:19:41.160 Won most teams that are going for a NATTY i 1:19:41.200 --> 1:19:44.160 think feel that. Way it was more of, like holy, 1:19:44.240 --> 1:19:47.240 shit that just, Happened like can you? Believe and it 1:19:47.320 --> 1:19:51.080 was almost that moment WHERE i, Think, matt Maybe reggie 1:19:51.600 --> 1:19:54.799 definitely this is a. Staff we knew there was something special, 1:19:55.000 --> 1:19:57.679 occurring not just for that, season but in the big 1:19:57.720 --> 1:20:01.439 picture of collegiate athletics and college. Football so, yeah it 1:20:01.520 --> 1:20:03.640 just felt, like hey, man this is like this is our. 1:20:03.720 --> 1:20:05.439 Year we're going to win that, game like we're gonna 1:20:05.479 --> 1:20:05.720 win them. 1:20:05.720 --> 1:20:08.760 All, Yeah and you, know you, know you from the other, 1:20:08.920 --> 1:20:13.840 side being a fan in the stadium with a good 1:20:13.880 --> 1:20:16.479 friend of mine who was A usc, Fan we had 1:20:16.520 --> 1:20:19.320 done plenty of trash talk leading up to that, game 1:20:19.360 --> 1:20:23.599 even throughout the, game but after that, sequence the last two, minutes, 1:20:23.920 --> 1:20:26.760 again like you, said totally. Bonkers we walked out of 1:20:26.760 --> 1:20:28.800 that stadium and didn't say a word to each other 1:20:28.840 --> 1:20:32.639 for a good twenty thirty minutes because again we were 1:20:32.680 --> 1:20:34.120 still processing. 1:20:33.680 --> 1:20:34.640 Like holy, shit this. 1:20:34.840 --> 1:20:37.679 Happened we were, Here we saw it with our own 1:20:37.720 --> 1:20:41.320 eyes and total pandemonium in the. Stadium didn't quite know 1:20:41.360 --> 1:20:43.479 what was going. On the clock runs, out people run 1:20:43.560 --> 1:20:46.519 on the, field did he? Score did he not? Score 1:20:46.560 --> 1:20:49.479 what happened When Dwayne jarrett caught the? Ball how did 1:20:49.520 --> 1:20:53.320 he get? Open like so many questions without the benefit 1:20:53.360 --> 1:20:56.080 of having THE tv in front of you that we 1:20:56.160 --> 1:20:58.200 just didn't know how to. React it was an insane 1:20:58.200 --> 1:20:58.600 moment in. 1:20:58.640 --> 1:21:01.840 Sports it was out of, control AND i thought it 1:21:01.880 --> 1:21:04.599 was also you look back at moments in our careers, 1:21:04.600 --> 1:21:07.439 now like it was great for the, game you, know 1:21:07.520 --> 1:21:10.320 and it's great when se And Notre dame are, good you, 1:21:10.360 --> 1:21:13.720 know and national conversation and that, year you, know there's 1:21:13.760 --> 1:21:16.040 a lot of backstory, there, Right Charlie wets And Pete 1:21:16.040 --> 1:21:18.560 carroll kind of traded spots with The patriots and The 1:21:18.640 --> 1:21:22.240 jets and parcels and the, staffs AND i don't say 1:21:22.240 --> 1:21:25.599 there's bad, blood but it wasn't like nobody was buddy 1:21:25.600 --> 1:21:28.320 buddy in that, regard And pete never made it, personal 1:21:28.320 --> 1:21:28.559 but you. 1:21:28.560 --> 1:21:30.880 Could feel it to a degree like there was just 1:21:30.920 --> 1:21:32.880 a lot of underlying dynamics. 1:21:32.320 --> 1:21:35.000 And you, Know charlie gets the job AND i don't 1:21:35.000 --> 1:21:37.000 want to misquote, him but it was something along the 1:21:37.040 --> 1:21:41.200 lines of we're gonna have a decided schematic, advantage which 1:21:41.240 --> 1:21:45.720 clearly was, ridiculous but there's just a. 1:21:45.760 --> 1:21:46.960 Lot there was just a lot going. 1:21:46.960 --> 1:21:48.960 On then you add in the game and the programs 1:21:49.000 --> 1:21:52.800 and the, history and it was really there was really 1:21:52.840 --> 1:21:55.120 a gift to be a part of a small part 1:21:55.200 --> 1:21:58.599 of that team and that, year and AS i get, 1:21:58.640 --> 1:22:01.720 older just that that program because it is. 1:22:01.760 --> 1:22:02.920 Different it's way different Than. 1:22:02.960 --> 1:22:05.760 Alabama It's, clemson and What dad was doing is the 1:22:05.760 --> 1:22:08.920 closest thing to me at What pete. Did it's just 1:22:09.000 --> 1:22:11.719 obviously in a different, conference in a completely different. 1:22:11.720 --> 1:22:16.200 Community, yogirof thank you very much for your. Time AND 1:22:17.160 --> 1:22:19.840 i WAS i was sweating a little bit when you 1:22:19.880 --> 1:22:22.559 were talking about the audible ahead of The Duayne jarrett play, 1:22:22.640 --> 1:22:25.160 like what's going to? Happen what is he still going 1:22:25.240 --> 1:22:29.360 to catch? It and he, Did he totally. Did AND 1:22:30.160 --> 1:22:34.080 i appreciate that sort of, insight which Unfortunately tie in 1:22:34.120 --> 1:22:36.120 section one oh four could not provide the. 1:22:36.120 --> 1:22:41.560 Show, nope, anytime. FELLAS i love what you're. Doing, YEAH i. 1:22:41.560 --> 1:22:43.840 ALWAYS i love all your, content you KNOW i. Am 1:22:44.000 --> 1:22:44.400 i'm a big. 1:22:44.439 --> 1:22:45.960 FAN i should have wart MY t shirt. TODAY i 1:22:46.000 --> 1:22:48.720 do love my solid verbal. 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