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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Solid Verbal.

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Speaker 2: I'll that for me. I'm a man, I'm forty.

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Speaker 1: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 1: be happy. You want to be happy for Dake Edith State.

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Speaker 2: Is that?

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Speaker 3: Whoo whoom?

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Speaker 1: And Dan and Tie.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Solid Verbal, Boys and girls. My

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Speaker 3: name is Ti hille Brand, joining me as always quarantined

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Speaker 3: over there in New York City, the one and only

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Speaker 3: Dan Rubinstein.

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Speaker 1: Sir, how are you clean hands? Full nuggets? I guess

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Speaker 1: I'm full of nuggets. I'm not full nuggets, but uh,

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Speaker 1: unlike Notre Dame, can't lose, can't lose. Huh, yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 1: I'm very excited for this show. I am extremely excited

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Speaker 1: for the show. I talked to our pal, Adam Iman

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Speaker 1: from ESPN, who is doing his best over there in Chicago,

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Speaker 1: somebody who's usually on the road. He wants to record

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Speaker 1: like seventeen of these with us. Okay, I'm excited for

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Speaker 1: this one. Very good. Well, this could be the start

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Speaker 1: of something special.

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Speaker 3: As you know, as most listening know, something of an

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Speaker 3: odd circumstance in the world at a moment, with a

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Speaker 3: global pandemic, most of us trapped indoors looking for something

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Speaker 3: to do, and we also don't know if there's going

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Speaker 3: to be a college football season. I don't want to

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Speaker 3: look too far in the future, but it is something

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Speaker 3: that is very much on the table. We'll cross that bridge,

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Speaker 3: will we come to it. But in the meantime, we

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Speaker 3: are caught in this awkward spot where we want to

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Speaker 3: talk college football because people listen for college football, but

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Speaker 3: we just don't have college football to discuss. So perhaps

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Speaker 3: we've been following along on our nightly Instagram live feeds

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Speaker 3: as we've gathered for fifteen to twenty minutes to talk

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Speaker 3: about whatever moves us. But we came up with the

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Speaker 3: idea to do more of what we did last offseason,

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Speaker 3: which was go back watch an old iconic game and

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Speaker 3: talk about it, do the post mortem, do the oral history,

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Speaker 3: whatever have you. That's what we're going to start doing,

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Speaker 3: perhaps a little bit more of, and we decided that

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Speaker 3: we would start with the illustrious Bush Push game of

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Speaker 3: two thousand and five, USC beating Notre Dame in Notre

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Speaker 3: Dame Stadium thirty four to thirty one.

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Speaker 1: It's important and I think we're going to try to

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Speaker 1: do this as often as possible to have an emotional

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Speaker 1: and professional stakeholder on the show. Maybe one, maybe none,

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Speaker 1: maybe both. Today we're starting with both because Ty, you

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Speaker 1: as a longtime Notre Dame fan and attendee, Yes of

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Speaker 1: this game, you're an emotional stakeholder. And Yogi Roth was

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Speaker 1: an offensive assistant for USC at this time, was sitting

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Speaker 1: like fourteen inches from Lane Kiffen, co offensive coordinator during

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Speaker 1: this game, and he's going to join us later on

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Speaker 1: in the show. I think for some equal time, Ty,

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Speaker 1: equal to No. That's fair. That's fair.

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Speaker 3: So he was in the booth, like you said, fourteen

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Speaker 3: inches from Lane Kiffen, and I was in Section one

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Speaker 3: I still have it laminated over at Mama H's house

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Speaker 3: because it was such a meaningful event for me.

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Speaker 1: I imagine it had to have been. Let's start. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you have any housekeeping you want to

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Speaker 1: get into, but I have so many thoughts about this

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Speaker 1: with Notre Dame and USC and beyond, I'd like to

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Speaker 1: start getting into the context. The context.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well, before we get into that context, the context here,

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Speaker 3: at the moment. Yeah, want to talk college football. Just

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Speaker 3: Dan m going out to Soliverbal dot reddit dot com.

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Speaker 3: That is the subreddit that is commandeered by our good

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Speaker 3: friend Peter Hoffman. So yes, with that being said, Dan,

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Speaker 3: In two thousand and five again and Notre Dame USC

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Speaker 1: Dateline two thousand and five. So this was a top

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Speaker 1: Then they lose, and that comes also during a time

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Speaker 3: Well, emotionally again as a Notre Dame fan between us,

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Speaker 3: I was very uncertain about this. Right Ty Willingham the

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Speaker 3: the Charlie Weiss era, I didn't quite know what to think.

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Speaker 3: I was a proponent of them hiring Charlie Weiss. I

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Speaker 1: it seems like this is this is a pro move. Literally,

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Speaker 3: It looked extremely promising. And they had this stud quarterback

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Speaker 3: The ability to sustain that success moving forward is ultimately

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Speaker 3: for Charlie Weiss in year one, it was very promising. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: What I would also like to add, because we talked

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Speaker 1: That's the USC Texas here of course. Well, they are

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Speaker 1: I believe with Arkansas, he dropped a buck twenty company,

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Speaker 1: just killed them. Yeah, and I believe that two thousand

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Speaker 3: Notre dames preparation, Yeah, grew the hell out of what

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Speaker 1: Were you drunk? How much were you tailgating? This is

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Speaker 3: Charlie Weiss had notably said that he wasn't going to

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Speaker 3: now you wouldn't know that to hear Tom Hammon. Tom

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Speaker 1: When and that was that was my comparison. Yeah, he

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Speaker 1: Good in HD. Whatever, Tom whatever. I don't think my

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Speaker 1: Tom, stuff like that to give you an even better

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Speaker 3: Can I talk about something else, please, pertaining to the broadcast? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Like watching the game on Notre Dame dot edu, the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's like they didn't want to be too

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Speaker 1: Dan hold on, do we think this is Tesh? It

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Speaker 3: pre programmed than usual, which was a welcome edition. It's

436
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Speaker 3: been a while since I've had Tom Hammond in my life.

437
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 3: And you know, we're going to talk a little bit

438
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:10,119
Speaker 3: more about the game here momentarily when we bring Yogi on.

439
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 3: He's actually part of the coaching element of this game,

440
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 3: so he can give us a little bit more detail

441
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Speaker 3: than you know, maybe I could from the stands, or

442
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 3: you could from your television. But certainly a great game,

443
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 3: an awesome fourth quarter thirty four to thirty one was

444
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:31,399
Speaker 3: the final here. USC needed some heroics in the final

445
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 3: two minutes to pull this one out, a long pass

446
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 3: to Dwayne Jarrett which happened right in front of me.

447
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 3: The Bush push, obviously a controversial moment in the history

448
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:45,880
Speaker 3: of college football, but nonetheless one that extended USC's winning

449
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 3: streak at the time. It was twenty seven extended to

450
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 3: twenty eight, and we know where it played out from

451
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 3: there obviously played out in Pasadena. One of the all

452
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Speaker 3: time great college football championship games, just college football games

453
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,199
Speaker 3: in general, roll between USC and Texas.

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Speaker 1: Texas won that game to win the national championship. I

455
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Speaker 1: have breaking.

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Speaker 5: News, breaking news.

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Speaker 1: She was Tesh. I can I confirmed it. John Tesh

458
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Speaker 1: did college football and NBC parenthetically Notre Dame football. Oh God,

459
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 1: that cheapens it. Oh, I think it makes it so

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00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 1: much better. That was freaking Tesh. Are you kidding? Almost

461
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Speaker 1: assuredly that was Nick saving guitarist.

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Speaker 3: Damn hell yeah, that is some research here, that's off

463
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Speaker 3: season research.

464
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Speaker 1: That's Wikipedia, baby, that was Tesh. Yeah, that was Tesh.

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Speaker 1: Get the hell out. Okay, yeah, now we know breaking news.

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Speaker 3: That's perfect, no problem, all right, So do you want

467
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Speaker 3: to get into this actual game. Let's talk about the

468
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Speaker 3: actual football Let's let's talk about the actual football game.

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Speaker 1: Dan went back.

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Speaker 3: I was able to find something on YouTube. It sounds

471
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Speaker 3: like it was the same clip, and I came away

472
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Speaker 3: I think impressed by what I saw from Notre Dame

473
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:14,199
Speaker 3: and this.

474
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Speaker 1: You have a surprise tone to your voice.

475
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Speaker 3: Well, I do, because Notre Dame's defense was I think

476
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 3: the big liability going into this football game. They were

477
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 3: certainly not the best against the run. They were even

478
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 3: worse against the pass, and that was a problem against

479
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Speaker 3: USC because they got Reggie Bush who was in the

480
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Speaker 3: midst of his own Heisman campaign. You've got Matt Liner,

481
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Speaker 3: who already won one, and it's you got to pick

482
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,160
Speaker 3: your poison. Notre Dame, I thought, did a really good

483
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 3: job with its front seven getting some pressure against a

484
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 3: really good offensive line. Had a lot of future pros

485
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 3: in that offensive line. They did a good job bringing

486
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 3: pressure against Matt Liner. They did enough to kind of

487
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 3: keep the offense in it and when the offense had

488
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 3: the ball, I actually thought their game plan was pretty clever.

489
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,679
Speaker 3: They tried to milk the crap out of the clock.

490
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 3: They overwhelmed USC when it came to time of possession.

491
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 3: They just tried to keep that sc offense off the field,

492
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:20,360
Speaker 3: and as a result, the sc offense didn't get nearly

493
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 3: their normal amount of offense in terms of yards. I

494
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:28,439
Speaker 3: think they were what six oh one in average offensive output, right,

495
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 3: They didn't get anywhere close to that in this football

496
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 3: game because Notre Dame just kept them off the field,

497
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 3: so at least to that extent, I felt like, even

498
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 3: though I wasn't privy to any coaching stuff, I felt

499
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:45,360
Speaker 3: as if the game plan was effective and they were

500
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Speaker 3: able to keep themselves in the game until you know,

501
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 3: the last however many seconds.

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00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, usc, I don't think they didn't get to five

503
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 1: hundred yards, but they were still pretty efficient thanks to

504
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 1: some bigger plays. And they both came out pretty slow,

505
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 1: which is understandable in a huge game. The flow was

506
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 1: was pretty uneven, I would say watching this game, Notre

507
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 1: Dame started out really cold, but they had a couple

508
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 1: of chunk plays. The probably the best offensive play of

509
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: the game in terms of just steely confidence, Brady Quinn

510
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 1: to Jeff Samarga for a touchdown sort of a jump ball,

511
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,199
Speaker 1: the perfect read, a great throw, a great catch. But

512
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: in terms of what Notre Dame was actually able to do,

513
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: this was not an efficient Notre Dame offense. No, they

514
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,919
Speaker 1: just sort of had a game plan to nickel and

515
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: dime and hope for the best, and they sort of

516
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 1: had a number of points. I guess both quarterbacks tried

517
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 1: to give the game away. They both had two bad interceptions,

518
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: one of which was I think one or both of

519
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: Brady Quinn's were tipped. It was a tipped flea flicker.

520
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: I believe that Keith Rivers ended up interception and intercepting

521
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 1: sort of floating down in the middle of the field.

522
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Speaker 1: But I came away surprised that both quarterbacks were more

523
00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: underwhelming than I remembered. Yeah, I loved Matt Liner, and

524
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: I remember being so impressed with Brady Quinn thinking, oh,

525
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: this guy's both the guys are sure thing pro success stories. Yep. Yeah.

526
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: And it turns out, and I guess smartly for both

527
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 1: of these teams, they just sort of got the ball

528
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: to some talented guys and made smart decisions and won

529
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: close games more often than not, USC blowing out more teams,

530
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 1: certainly the better program around this time. But for what

531
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,439
Speaker 1: Notre Dame did for them to be in this game,

532
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 1: I thought was all on the back of Brady Quinn,

533
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: good and bad like he really he in the offensive line,

534
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 1: I would say they struggled with USC pressure pretty much

535
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 1: the entire game until the end when USC started sending

536
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: extra guys. He really took a lot of abuse, but

537
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: he was also the guy who gutted out essentially the

538
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: comeback after a nothing second half offensively from Notre Dame

539
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: in terms of scoring points.

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Speaker 3: No, it's one hundred percent true, and I believe it

541
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 3: was either Pat Hayden or Tom Hammond. One of the

542
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 3: bouncers referred to him as all day tough Brady Quinn, right, and.

543
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. I mean it.

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Speaker 3: So much of this came down to him. He was

545
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 3: tight early in that game, and his deep ball left

546
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 3: a lot to be desired. But as the game wore on,

547
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 3: and certainly on that last drive when he scampered in

548
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 3: for a touchdown, he was three of three, made some

549
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 3: big throws. I wonder why, in hindsight they didn't just

550
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 3: lob every pass up to Jeff Samarja. I was wondering

551
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 3: the same thing, Ty, you know, like Jeff Samarja watching back,

552
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 3: I guess I didn't appreciate him in the moment the

553
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 3: way I feel like I did yesterday when I watched

554
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 3: the game, like he was so good. He was so

555
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 3: much bigger than anyone trying to cover him. He caught

556
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 3: every ball with his hands, and he was just a

557
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 3: beast to try and man up. They had such a

558
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 3: matchup disadvantage not just with him, but with Maurice Stoveall

559
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 3: who was also six y five, wasn't nearly the caliber

560
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 3: the receiver but had justin marsh that season though, but

561
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 3: had really big games, had a good year. And also

562
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 3: Anthony Fasano Anthony Fasano, NFL tight end, also six', five

563
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 3: had a huge fumble late in the third quarter in this,

564
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 3: game which had he not fumbled and Had Notre dame

565
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 3: gotten some, points perhaps this outcome would have been a

566
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,959
Speaker 3: little bit. Different but between those three guys like there

567
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 3: aren't a whole lot of college, programs maybe not EVEN,

568
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 3: usc who can cover three high caliber players who are

569
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 3: six to.

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Speaker 1: Five the counterpoint, is if the philosophy is milk the,

571
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: clock if you're throwing incomplete passes and they're, not, yeah

572
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: sure they're not moving the ball before those incomplete, passes

573
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: you're giving the ball back pretty. Quickly and that THAT

574
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: usc offensive, line even with as good as THE us

575
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: The Notre dame defensive, front looked in that game and

576
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: pretty much all you is a Good Notre dame, defense

577
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: you're changing the tenor of that. Game SO i would

578
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: have thought that they would have CHALLENGED, usc especially because

579
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: outside Of Darnell bing this was not a particularly GOOD usc,

580
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: secondary you, know all things, considered compared TO i guess

581
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: OTHER usc secondaries during this. Era but this was as

582
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: we Saw vince youngdu late in the, year as we

583
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: saw a number of quarterbacks do this. Season they were,

584
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: vulnerable and the problem Was Brady quinn's LINE i don't

585
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: think could protect him long enough to go through progressions

586
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: and go. Downfield because even sending, five there were you,

587
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: KNOW usc was putting out corner, blitzes they were rushing a,

588
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: linebacker they were doing you, know double a gap. Blitzes

589
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: he just didn't have the. Time SO i get, IT

590
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: i suppose from The Notre dame. Perspective BUT i was

591
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: watching this game AND i was, Like Notre dame has

592
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: a single dude on. Offense all all due respect to

593
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: a Gutty Brady, quinn what's the running? Back they had

594
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: two running Back Varius walker And Travis. Thomas, yeah and

595
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: respect To Maury stovall And Anthony. Fasano there were good

596
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: players across His Notre dame. Offense the one dude Was

597
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: samarsha AND i was surprised they didn't more successfully get

598
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: the ball to him and he had a big. Game,

599
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: yeah oh, Yeah but REALLY i was surprised That Notre

600
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: dame went with so, many you, know jumbo, packages essentially

601
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: putting seven eight guys on the line of scrimmage and

602
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: trying to uh to gut out three four yards at a.

603
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 3: Time and let's be, Clear samarja had fifteen touchdowns that

604
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 3: year and over twelve hundred yards, receiving could have.

605
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: Very easily been AN nfl.

606
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 3: Receiver instead went to play, baseball where he made one

607
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty two million.

608
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: Dollars so he's pretty.

609
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 3: Good you could say he chose wisely from a financial,

610
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 3: standpoint and you, know it's been a good picture. There

611
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 3: we won't go into his baseball, accolades but that on the,

612
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 3: rewatch it was a lot of, short high percentage. Stuff

613
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 3: they were trying to keep the clock. Moving it was

614
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 3: clear that that was part of the game. Plan maybe

615
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 3: not the primary game, plan but a part of.

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Speaker 1: It for.

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Speaker 3: SURE i would have loved to have seen a little

618
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 3: bit More jeff samarj just lob it up to. Him

619
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Speaker 3: even if it's not the best, throw he was good

620
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Speaker 3: enough to go up and get.

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Speaker 1: It two. Time blitnikoff Finalist Jeff Samarja Brady quinn with

622
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: an unbelievable ability to throw a pass nearly straight up

623
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: when Going he threw a fade from like the twelve

624
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: yard line that may have gone forty five yards up

625
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: directly at the.

626
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 3: Air, yeah directly put it like A harrier, jet directly.

627
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: Up it went. Like the ability for him to put

628
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: as little touch on the ball as possible was impressive

629
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: in its own. Way who are the dudes on the

630
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: other side of the, ball either For Notre dame on

631
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: defense or FOR usc in?

632
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 3: General to, you, well do we want to talk About Reggie?

633
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 3: BUSH i think we should talk ABOUT i think it

634
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 3: is so clear on the rewatch that the best player

635
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 3: on the field Is Reggie. Bush AND i, know, like

636
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 3: if you're listening to this, now you're, thinking, well obviously

637
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 3: He's Reggie. Bush but to go back and rewatch, This

638
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 3: Reggie bush is so good in this football. Game it's

639
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 3: it's abundantly clear that there's no one else in the

640
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 3: field even remotely.

641
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: Close. Yeah the fact THAT usc was thought of to

642
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 1: be creative on offense with the way they Used Reggie,

643
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,240
Speaker 1: bush and you actually watched the game with twenty twenty,

644
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,280
Speaker 1: eyes and there's just a lot Of, YEAH i, guess

645
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: but why not much? More why not much? More Reggie?

646
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,720
Speaker 1: Bush why aren't there all sorts of little flare. Screens

647
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: why isn't he going out for routes with linebackers on

648
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 1: him all the, time or safeties, Whatever why isn't, he you,

649
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 1: know just a thread on every? Play and they RAN usc,

650
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: themselves ran a lot of, six, seven eight guys on

651
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: the line and with the full, back And Matt linert

652
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: made an all time terrible throw to what he thought

653
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: was a wide open wheel route to a full back

654
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: and through just the easiest interception perhaps in the history

655
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 1: Of Notre dame. Football but it was surprising they had

656
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: a reverse for him, late they had some screen action for,

657
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: him but it was so abundantly clear that just this

658
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: should have Been Jeff samarja Versus Reggie. Bush AND i

659
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: think it missed the mark on what it could have.

660
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: Been but that's twenty twenty, eyes, ty that is one

661
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: hundred percent twenty twenty. Eyes on, Defense darnell bing was

662
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 1: everywhere FOR. Usc Keith rivers really. GOOD i think he

663
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: had a recovered, fumble he had the, Interception there was

664
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: a defensive. LINEMAN i think he was number ninety. EIGHT

665
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: i don't have the roster in front of me For

666
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,240
Speaker 1: Notre dame who had the sack On Matt lioner after

667
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: being knocked down by an offensive. Lineman do you know

668
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 1: What i'm talking? About, yeah like two plays before The

669
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: Dwayne jarrett play right the, game he Sacks Matt lionerd

670
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,760
Speaker 1: on like USC's nine yard. Line is That Derek? Landry

671
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:43,439
Speaker 1: maybe it could have. BEEN i don't, KNOW i don't

672
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 1: have the. Roster i'll go back and. Check, yeah, yeah

673
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 1: that Was that was a dude. Play that was a

674
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: dude effort that should have won the game essentially For Notre.

675
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 1: Dame unfortunately For irish fans it. Didn't BUT i came

676
00:35:55,400 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 1: away surprised THAT i also again Thought Matt lionert And

677
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: Brady quinn were, better AND i know there were other

678
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: games where they were definitely, Better AND i know they

679
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 1: were both playing against tough, defenses AND i know that

680
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 1: they're not playing in modern versions of the. Spread they

681
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: did not have any arm.

682
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 3: Talent Trevor Trevor, Laws Trevor, laws there you, Are Trevor.

683
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,760
Speaker 1: Laws they. Missed both of these teams missed a lot

684
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: that was given to. Them that was. There be it,

685
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: drops be it. OVERTHROWS i was surprised that two guys

686
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: who were taken in the first, round who were for

687
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: the most part rightfully, lauded they missed a.

688
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 3: Lot, yeah game, well and, hey both teams really both.

689
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 1: Teams, Hell i'm saying Both lionard And Brady.

690
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 3: Quinn both both teams had plenty of chances to win

691
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 3: that football. Game and you know only one, did but

692
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 3: both of, them for. Sure it was out. There there

693
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 3: were a bunch of opportunities that were left on the,

694
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 3: table and it's part of what makes this game one

695
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 3: of the greats because it was so, dead even the

696
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 3: whole way through was. Dead even it was back and

697
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 3: forth right down to the final. Wire you're just a

698
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 3: mess in the, stands, right an absolute mess in the.

699
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 3: Stands and not to mention that when you're in the

700
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 3: stands at a football. Game Notre Dame, stadium at least

701
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 3: at the, time was not the easiest stadium in which

702
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:22,439
Speaker 3: to stay informed because they didn't have like the electronics

703
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,879
Speaker 3: were just not on the level of other stadium. Right

704
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 3: it's not Like Beaver stadium where you've got a massive

705
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 3: board that you can look at, like, no It's Notre dame.

706
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 3: Stadium it still had that, old crappy. Scoreboard you have

707
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 3: no idea what's going.

708
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: On you can't. See we didn't have the greatest seats

709
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 1: in the. World they were.

710
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 3: Good we were in the, stadium we were happy to be,

711
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 3: there but we didn't know that final. Sequence we had

712
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 3: no idea what was going. On it wasn't until after

713
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 3: the fact that we saw the highlights we actually understood

714
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 3: the sequencing and how things broke. Down but, no you

715
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 3: just didn't. Know and because of, that it was very

716
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 3: emotional in the, stands a lot of high, fives a

717
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 3: lot of curse words being yelled, out even In Notre Dame. Stadium,

718
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 3: yes and truly one of the greatest Experiences i've had

719
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,720
Speaker 3: just as a sports, fan being in that stadium trying

720
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 3: to decipher what the hell is going. On should also

721
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 3: Mention Tom's, Abkowski absolute. Dude Tom's ibkowski played out of

722
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 3: his mind in that. Game he ran back a punt.

723
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: Yep he was got beat a couple, times but never

724
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,280
Speaker 1: for touchdown like he was BEAT i think By Steve

725
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,959
Speaker 1: smith on a play action. Play but they were able

726
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: to make the play was not a house, call just

727
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 1: knew the right.

728
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 3: Angles, yeah play played really gritty in that football. Game

729
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 3: Ambrose Wooden.

730
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 1: Wes welker, type Gritty Wes, welker.

731
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 3: Gritty West What, Yeah Ambrose, wooden who was the CORNER

732
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 3: i believe got beat By Dwayne jarrett on that notable

733
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 3: pass play on the final.

734
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: Sequence there.

735
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 3: Had a bunch of big plays leading up to that,

736
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,399
Speaker 3: moment you, know where he would track a guy down

737
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 3: from behind and prevent a scoring play or.

738
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: Something they stuck with the receivers really. WELL i don't

739
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: know if that was, unexpected but The Notre dame SECONDARY

740
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: i thought did an admirable job.

741
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 3: One hundred and fifth in passing yards allowed per. Game that,

742
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 3: defense and to go toe to toe WITH usc the

743
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 3: way they, DID i you, KNOW usc had big chunk,

744
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,320
Speaker 3: plays as you said, earlier and they certainly were the better,

745
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 3: team the more talented team out. There But Notre dame's

746
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 3: defense should just. Enough they did enough to kind of

747
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 3: keep that game. Close and if not for that final

748
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 3: incredible drive BY, usc they would have.

749
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,479
Speaker 1: Won, Yeah and if not for the final drive For Notre,

750
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: dame they would have lost bigger because that was winning.

751
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: TIME i don't know if it was A Brady quinn

752
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: fourth quarter comeback type thing mentality in his, head but

753
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 1: the drive he put, TOGETHER i think he had like

754
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 1: three or four passes that went for over fifteen yards

755
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: leading up to the fourth quarter or that final drive

756
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: For Notre, dame and then it was just stick after

757
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: stick after. Stick and there was the one player where

758
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: he was running to his left and sort of threw

759
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: it at the last second he lobbed it over A

760
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: usc player to complete a first. Down that was an incredible.

761
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 1: Play there was a lot of what ifs in the,

762
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: game as there are in many big games and even little.

763
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: GAMES i came, AWAY i think just impressed with what

764
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: that fourth quarter was that overshadowed the rest of everything

765
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: to ME i. Had And i've voiced some negative thoughts

766
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 1: about some of the stall drives and sort of what

767
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: seems through twenty twenty eyes Of tuce play calling and

768
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: just architecture of the, offense which isn't fair to that.

769
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: Time BUT i got in the, rewatch and we can

770
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 1: talk about the broadcast itself. HERE i was eighty six

771
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: percent as excited AS i was WHEN i didn't know

772
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: what was going to, happen and that's a testament to

773
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 1: how great that ending. Was it was a really good. Ending,

774
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: yeah the fourth quarter is up there up here with still.

775
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,280
Speaker 1: Best does that game in some part of your brain

776
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: remain in protest because of technically illegal push at the

777
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: end of the, Game.

778
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 3: No, no it doesn't because it for as close as

779
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 3: the game was and first time.

780
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: Illegal.

781
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah and, sure for as many chances AS i

782
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 3: Felt Notre dame, had it didn't have to come down

783
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 3: to that.

784
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:06,399
Speaker 1: Play, no they had.

785
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,760
Speaker 3: OPPORTUNITIES i mentioned The fasano, fumble but there were. Others

786
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,959
Speaker 3: there were other plays that were out there And Notre

787
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 3: dame wasn't able to take. Advantage so you, know it

788
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 3: shouldn't have come down to that play to begin. With

789
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 3: and let's be, Honest Notre dame was ninth going into that.

790
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: GAME usc was.

791
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 3: Number one and riding a huge winning streak twenty seven. Games,

792
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 3: yeah anything just to be close to me felt like.

793
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 3: GRAVY i didn't expect That Notre dame was going to

794
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 3: win that, game SO i think it was a little

795
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 3: easier to, reconcile just for me as a, fan, again

796
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 3: knowing that this was still probably a much more talented.

797
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 3: Team it didn't feel good knowing That Notre dame lost to,

798
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 3: him but at the same, time it wasn't in. PROTEST

799
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 3: i still felt LIKE usc was the better of the two.

800
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 3: TEAMS i did like That Notre.

801
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 1: Dame there is a section Of Notre dame's playbook that

802
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 1: was probably labeled different kinds of sneaks for a different.

803
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: Situation Brady quinn ran the ball thirteen times in this.

804
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: Game they they he. Did they had like a third

805
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 1: and four from their own twenty and they did like

806
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 1: a quick sneak and then they went for it on

807
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: fourth and one from their own like twenty four for

808
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 1: the first down ballsy stupid works, right it was he.

809
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: Stupid they were. Running they were Running Brady quinn on

810
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 1: a number of third. Downs AND i don't know if

811
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: that was a lack of confidence in his arm or

812
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: the offensive line or receivers getting open quickly enough against

813
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: THE usc. Defense but, yeah he had like this this

814
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: weird fake slant and then he would take. Off he

815
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 1: would sort of tuck and that that converted like a

816
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: third and. Five, yeah it. Was there was a definite

817
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 1: element to this game plan that Involved Brady quinn tucks

818
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: it or pushes the line forward as best as he.

819
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 3: Can, yeah like maybe they saw something where the line

820
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 3: was over committeeing and they tried to take advantage of

821
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 3: that in short yardage.

822
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: SITUATIONS i don't, know but.

823
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 3: For sure like they were just with the running game in. General,

824
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 3: Again Notre dame ran the ball fifty two times here

825
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 3: two point nine yards per, carry so not at all.

826
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 3: Efficient but if you watched each play in a, vacuum

827
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 3: and if you were not able to connect it to

828
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 3: the larger game, plan which AGAIN i think was to

829
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 3: try and drain the clock against a better, offense keep

830
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 3: them off the, field you could have convinced yourself that

831
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 3: this was a video game Where Charlie wise was just

832
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 3: trying to run the.

833
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: Ball as much as.

834
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 3: Possible, yes you, know like it didn't feel all that,

835
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 3: balanced at least not early on in this. Game watching

836
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 3: the way that he called the, game it was.

837
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 1: A SimCity of a game plan built entirely out of

838
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: modest residential. Housing. Exactly, YEAH i need the adage That

839
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: Bill connelly A espn just in terms of what metric

840
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: wins you the most, Games and you, know people point

841
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 1: to turn over, margin and that's certainly one of the

842
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 1: best ways to win a game by winning the turnover,

843
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 1: margin but generating and stopping explosive plays is the metric

844
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: that he has found most likely determines the outcome of a.

845
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: Game IN usc won that.

846
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 3: Metric so what was your general takeaway from watching this

847
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 3: game now fifteen years? Later it both played out faster

848
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 3: and slower because of no attempt at tempo and running

849
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 3: as many plays as humanly, possible not throwing as many

850
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 3: passes as probably either program would if it were twenty, sixteen, seventeen,

851
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 3: eighteen nineteen, twenty the number of jumbo sets that both

852
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 3: of these teams, ran considering they had quarterbacks who were,

853
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 3: very very successful with very very good. RECEIVERS i was

854
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 3: surprised at, HOW i, mean don't drink every TIME i

855
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 3: say twenty twenty, eyes but how sort of old school

856
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 3: for as as good as these programs were on offense

857
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 3: and became on, offense how three yards in a cloud

858
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 3: of dust they were willing to Accept that was weird to.

859
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: Me but also. Huddles huddles are weird to.

860
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 3: Me, now, well it's funny you say, that because my

861
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 3: takeaway was that this GREAT usc, team this ICONIC usc, team,

862
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 3: yeah would get bombed By. Clemson oh, yeah bombed By

863
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 3: Joe burrow AND lsu OR tu In. Alabama it is

864
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 3: such a different, era and it's really in the not

865
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 3: so distant.

866
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: Past, no and in this, listen it's in the last fifteen.

867
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: Years the ability and the ability to scout and recruit

868
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 1: and find guys online and watch way more tape than

869
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:41,320
Speaker 1: usual and better. Quality different, universe totally different, universe totally different.

870
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: Universe so the, talent and this was interesting to me

871
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: BECAUSE i went back and looked at the recruiting. Classes at,

872
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:51,280
Speaker 1: least however much you believe in total depth of talent

873
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: having to do with team, SUCCESS usc was a lot

874
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: more talented Than Notre dame near the end of The

875
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: Ty willingham era in that First Charlie weis's recruiting. Class

876
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: this was a pro pro finishing with classes in the, twenties, thirties,

877
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: whatever AS usc was putting together top, three, four top,

878
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 1: one if you believe certain recruiting, sites recruiting. Classes this

879
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: was a much more TALENTED usc team Than Notre dames.

880
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 1: Was and so with that, talent if we are going

881
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: to push that team into the modern, ERA i am

882
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: positive THIS usc team could compete with, anybody but what

883
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 1: they look like schematically on, Offense you're, like, no this

884
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: isn't this isn't. Working this is your maybe getting the

885
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: best of What stanford has, been but not what the

886
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 1: recent best Of, Clemson ALABAMA lco has.

887
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 3: Been fair, Enough so general takeaways on the broadcast quickly

888
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 3: before we get to our.

889
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: GUEST i thought it was, FINE b PLUS B b.

890
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: PLUS i didn't take exception with any of what the

891
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: announcers had to. Say most of the, TIME i got

892
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: a lot of, replay WHICH i was relieved. ABOUT i

893
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 1: didn't know if we going to see multiple.

894
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 3: Again by the, Way by the, way interesting, Factoid yeah

895
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 3: that interested more than Just Tom hammond in this. Game

896
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 3: given the rules at the, time the visiting team got

897
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,879
Speaker 3: to choose whether or not they'd have replay at their,

898
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 3: disposal and oh, Interesting Pete carroll decided against.

899
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: It, OH i was saying JUST tv, Broadcast.

900
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 3: No, NO i, know But i'm saying from from the actual,

901
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 3: game wow and a standpoint of on.

902
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 1: Field, Yeah Pete carroll chose not to have. REPLAY i

903
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 1: Thought Tom hammond was was good. ENOUGH i Thought Pat

904
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: hayden was good. ENOUGH i thought the angles were good

905
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: enough for the most, part AND i just missed the

906
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,839
Speaker 1: theme song desperately and. Forever now it's funny you should say.

907
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 1: That just wait for, It just wait for the the

908
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 1: tesh here it is right. Here, wow it's one crazy

909
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: if only the The Notre dame band had the foresight

910
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:06,240
Speaker 1: to just play that. Song yeahftime and wheel owed a guitar.

911
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: Soloist NO i. WAS i was pleasantly. Surprised even though

912
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:15,280
Speaker 1: it was sixty four percent to, HOMERY i was still

913
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: pleasantly surprised with the broadcast. ITSELF i thought they did

914
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 1: a good. JOB i really.

915
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 3: Did not a huge fan Of Tom, hammond had never,

916
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 3: been BUT i thought he did a really good job

917
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 3: in this. Game And Pat hayden was better THAN i,

918
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 3: remembered you, know was was doing a really good job

919
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 3: up there as.

920
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,919
Speaker 1: Well so one of those games.

921
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 3: That for sure will carry on in memory forever because

922
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 3: not just for the fourth, quarter but the circumstances around the,

923
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:44,359
Speaker 3: game just a ton of fun the whole.

924
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,240
Speaker 1: Way can we do can we do one of those

925
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: postscripts what happened? After for? Everybody like at The end

926
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 1: of The sandlot or a bunch of movies Like, Yeah

927
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: benny The. Jet rodriguez went on to set records for

928
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: The dodgers and winked at the guy calling the game

929
00:48:58,000 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: in the booth.

930
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 3: Who still wears his old Fishing this is part of

931
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 3: why The fox pregame show is a little weird for,

932
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 3: me because It's Brady, Quinn Reggie, bush And Matt lionard

933
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 3: all on the same. Set, true they are all. Friends

934
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,240
Speaker 3: they are all each other's god parents for their. Children

935
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 3: that's not true to my, knowledge but it is, strange

936
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 3: but it's. Good it's good that you get this sort

937
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 3: of full circleness to. Everything, Spoiler Charlie weiss did not

938
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 3: work out At Notre.

939
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: Dame no didn' Where Reggie bush's legacy AT usc is.

940
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 1: Complicated Brady quinn And Matt liner didn't necessarily work out

941
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: AS nfl. Quarterbacks BUT usc is still chasing the ghost

942
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 1: Of Pete, carroll and that's Something Notre dame in the long.

943
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,839
Speaker 1: TERM i don't know if you would say That Notre

944
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: dame has, won but they've been a more stable program

945
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: since the end of The Charlie weiss. Era, yeah, no,

946
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,439
Speaker 1: oh one hundred, percent which is very strange to, say

947
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: considering what was going on into this, game the five

948
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: years going into this game where it's just this slow

949
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:08,240
Speaker 1: rise FOR usc and just trying to pick their pets

950
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 1: heads off the ground At Notre dame should mention just

951
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: BECAUSE i like my. Nuggies the Former Notre dame athletic

952
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 1: Director Kevin white his history At Notre, dame as far

953
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: AS i can, TELL i don't know if he Hired Bob,

954
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: davey but he Gave Bob davey an. Extension he then

955
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 1: tried to Hire georgia, O'Leary didn't work, out Hired Ty,

956
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: willingham Hired Charlie, weiss Gave Charlie weiss an extension that

957
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 1: lasted let's call it six years after he was let

958
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: go from the university where he would collect this incredible.

959
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: CHECK i think Every. Christmas and now he is the

960
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 1: athletic DIRECTOR i believe At duke so he is still

961
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 1: a working athletic. Director And Ty, willingham even though he

962
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: made way For Charlie, weiss went To, washington AND i

963
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: assume that all worked out really. Well he got a

964
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 1: vote of confidence from Then Washington President Mark. Emmerts so

965
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 1: Everything I'm i'm sure is fine In, Seattle No Notre.

966
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: Dame in terms of, stability they probably came out on,

967
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,800
Speaker 1: top but they have not come close to WHAT usc

968
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: was able to accomplish in this. Era all, Right, ty and,

969
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 1: now in the interest of equal, time we spent a

970
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 1: lot of time in the intro of this show talking

971
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 1: about your emotions as A Notre dame, fan the roller

972
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 1: coaster OF i would say some disappointment in the years

973
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: leading up TO Usc Notre dame two thousand and. Five

974
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 1: the thing is WITH usc leading up to this, game

975
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 1: it was. Gravy it was good times all. Around and

976
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: since we have you as an emotional, Stakeholder, TIE i

977
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,439
Speaker 1: think we'd need a professional stakeholder on the other side

978
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: of things for equal. Time Yogi, roth who wore a

979
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 1: number of hats FOR usc at this. Time HE i,

980
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: mean in today's, PARLANCE i guess he would have been

981
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: an offensive. Analyst he was an offensive. Assistant he was

982
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,320
Speaker 1: in the booth next To Lane, kiffen who was calling

983
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,720
Speaker 1: the game for THE usc. Offense he got a cameo

984
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 1: on the. Broadcasts we saw, Him we were texting it

985
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: back to before see him very briefly in the booth

986
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 1: on the broadcast in the second. Half you have to

987
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: look closely for a nine year Old Yogi Roth ye

988
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: in the. Booth Yogi roth of. Course now THE pac Twelve,

989
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 1: network look up all of his, podcasts The Yogi Ross.

990
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 1: Show he does A pac twelve podcast With. TED i

991
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,359
Speaker 1: was gonna, Say Ted, Miller Ted robinson of THE pac

992
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 1: Twelve network and they're doing a zoom show while we're

993
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 1: all at. Home, yogi thank you for joining.

994
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 5: Us, hey thank you for bringing back down memory.

995
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 2: Lane. MAN i appreciate, it of.

996
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,399
Speaker 1: Course SO i want to get into this right. Now

997
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 1: this was a huge. Game you were a part of

998
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: a number of huge games WITH. Usc what do you

999
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: remember about even just the season leading up to Mid

1000
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 1: October South, Bend.

1001
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 5: Indiana, well it was my first year Coaching, Dan so to,

1002
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 5: ME i was, like, Well i'll just coach forever and

1003
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 5: never lose a, game you. Know And PETE i had

1004
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 5: known SINCE i was, nineteen and he had become the

1005
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 5: biggest influence in my life outside of my parents at

1006
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 5: a young. Age and he would always pull me and his,

1007
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 5: son who's not the run game coordinator for The, Seahawks,

1008
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 5: brennan aside and, say, guys this is not really what.

1009
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 2: Coaching IS i really like that, Whatever like.

1010
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 5: We're In La, hollywood, undefeated go for a third Straight.

1011
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 5: NATTY i just came off of like a career At

1012
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 5: pittsburgh and. Life life was, epic you, Know and clearly

1013
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:24,839
Speaker 5: that wasn't necessarily the case as you look back on that,

1014
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 5: now knowing what we all know about the, profession but

1015
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 5: that's WHAT i. Remember it was just so, special it

1016
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 5: was so. Dynamic it was unlike Anything i'd ever.

1017
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 2: Felt you.

1018
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 5: KNOW i just played for four years in college at

1019
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 5: a high, level AND sc was like a different.

1020
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 2: Stratosphere and WHAT i had come to learn is that it.

1021
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 5: Remains that like nothing in college football has ever been

1022
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 5: LIKE sc because Of Los angeles and because Of. Pete you,

1023
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 5: Know bama, Wins clemson, wins but they're doing in the

1024
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 5: middle of nowhere compared to when we were doing.

1025
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 2: It so it was. Epic.

1026
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 5: Man and then you add In Notre, dame you add

1027
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:59,320
Speaker 5: In Charlie, weiss you add in all the drama around the.

1028
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,800
Speaker 5: Rivalry Even pete would say his first year he hyped

1029
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 5: up the drama so much of the, team and then he,

1030
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 5: realized like kids at s see the, players they don't

1031
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 5: really care like they care more about THE ucla game

1032
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 5: than they do Notre dame because they grow up with

1033
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 5: all those. Kids so he was, like let me just

1034
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 5: treat it as another game versus everything that of course

1035
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 5: was building around.

1036
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 1: It what are you doing behind the scenes at this?

1037
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 1: POINT i, MEAN i know you're working with the, OFFENSE

1038
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 1: i know you're working closely with the, coordinators but what

1039
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 1: are your specific. Responsibilities is a watching? Film is it

1040
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: working with the guys on the practice, field is it

1041
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 1: helping to scout ahead of? Time what is it that

1042
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 1: you were?

1043
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 2: Doing?

1044
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 5: Well it was kind of fun because it was the

1045
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 5: beginning of my career. There it was the first of

1046
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 5: four straight years THAT i spent at As see and

1047
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 5: by the End i'd end up writing Coach carrol's. Book

1048
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 5: and in the, BEGINNING i was just trying to, survive you, know,

1049
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 5: literally like you, think AND i tell this to athletes

1050
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,399
Speaker 5: all the time when they think about, coaching we think

1051
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 5: we know the game when you're, playing you. Know AND

1052
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 5: i was like the smart receiver BECAUSE i wasn't the

1053
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 5: biggest of the, fastest BUT i knew nothing compared to

1054
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:05,760
Speaker 5: what you need to know when you join a coaching.

1055
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 2: Staff so THERE i was call it.

1056
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,720
Speaker 5: Six months end of the, time and you're just doing

1057
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 5: everything That lane And stark. Said remember this was a

1058
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 5: transition of offensive, coordinators, Right Norm chow left to The,

1059
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 5: titans and then came these two thirty somethings you, Know, sarkiffion,

1060
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 5: right it was their nickname.

1061
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 2: At least dayly times at the, time.

1062
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 5: AND i was trying to do ANYTHING i could for.

1063
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:28,959
Speaker 5: Them SO i was always a week ahead in terms

1064
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 5: of advanced. Scouting so you'd break down three to five

1065
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 5: games Of Notre. Dame you, know the previous week we

1066
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 5: were PLAYING asu and we had to gear up for this.

1067
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:38,840
Speaker 5: One SO i was already ahead of the head of

1068
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 5: the curve a little. Bit and THEN i was the

1069
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 5: guy who drew every. Play so IF i wasn't, MOVING

1070
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 5: i literally have the call sheet from that, game but

1071
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 5: it's in the bottom of a box right, now and our,

1072
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,240
Speaker 5: playbook and my job was to draw up every play

1073
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 5: for the offensive players and the staff with all of

1074
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 5: the notes in.

1075
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 2: It and What sark And lane did.

1076
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 5: What was brilliant is by me drawing those plays literally

1077
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 5: thousands of, times it forced me to learn it and

1078
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 5: gain some mastery around. It SO i did, that and

1079
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 5: then my responsibility was the actual call. Sheet so the

1080
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:11,840
Speaker 5: thing that you'd, see you, know star colding on the

1081
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 5: sideline when you watch the game, back or What lane's

1082
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 5: looking at that was me typing until two three every.

1083
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 5: Morning you, know little, changes sell, changes you, know the

1084
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 5: wristband That liner would be. WEARING i would make and

1085
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,439
Speaker 5: build all of the administrative, ELEMENTS i guess you would

1086
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 5: say on the offensive.

1087
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 3: Side, So, yogi you did some of the advanced. Work

1088
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 3: i'm sure on on Noted. Deam how much of what

1089
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 3: the coaches saw from your advanced scouting did they sort

1090
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,839
Speaker 3: of put into, Practice like what did they see in

1091
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 3: that advanced scouting that they sought to exploit on game?

1092
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:44,439
Speaker 2: Day?

1093
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, well the advanced, scouting the thing that it does

1094
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 5: is that it just basically PHRASE i like to use

1095
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 5: is chunks.

1096
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 2: Information so it.

1097
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 5: Says, hey majority on the first down of a possession

1098
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 5: or first and ten, situation second and, ten they're playing

1099
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 5: this on, defense third and whether it's one to, three

1100
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:05,720
Speaker 5: four to, six et, cetera et, cetera they're playing.

1101
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,240
Speaker 2: This these are the bullets is they like to. Bring

1102
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 2: this is when they like to bring.

1103
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 5: Them this is a front and what it allows us

1104
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:14,919
Speaker 5: to do is when you click into the next game,

1105
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 5: mode which Is, sunday Usually sunday, afternoon.

1106
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 2: He kind of have an.

1107
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 5: Idea so then when you're drawing cards or you're trying

1108
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 5: to just send out like back in the, day it

1109
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 5: would be like one piece of paper we would give

1110
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 5: to the. Quarterbacks they'd come Up sunday night and be, Like,

1111
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 5: hey these are the initial thoughts we have for first

1112
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 5: and second down in the past. Game what do you,

1113
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 5: Think Matt John? David you Know MARK i think was

1114
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 5: a freshman at the, Time Mark. Sanchez so that's what it,

1115
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 5: does kind of gives them a little head. Start but

1116
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 5: WHAT i had learned is that coaches are so anal

1117
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 5: that Like gas and young, coaches we do all this,

1118
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 5: work but it kind of like it it, matters but

1119
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 5: it kind of doesn't because coaches just trust, themselves especially play,

1120
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 5: callers so they kind of do it all. Themselves So sunday,

1121
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 5: NIGHTS i would sit In sark's office and sit next

1122
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 5: to him as he kind of redid and double checked

1123
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 5: everything to make sure that IF i called something to nerd,

1124
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 5: OUT i know you guys like to in, overfront, right

1125
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 5: which would be like the nose tackle over one side

1126
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 5: of the, center and the three the interior defensive alignment

1127
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 5: over side of the. Guard, well if they saw him

1128
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 5: moved six, inches they might call it something. Different so

1129
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 5: they were always kind of double checking those numbers to

1130
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 5: make sure they were. Right SO i think they just

1131
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 5: gave him an. Idea BUT i don't think any coach

1132
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 5: in the country is going to count on or trust

1133
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 5: like a twenty two to twenty three year old kid

1134
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 5: you give them any sort of advanced game.

1135
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 3: Plan to be, Honest, well what was the general vibe

1136
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 3: among the team going into This Notre dame. GAME i

1137
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 3: know you Said Pete carroll tried to treat it more

1138
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 3: like any other, Game but you, know this is a

1139
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 3: program that came into The Notre dame game with a

1140
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 3: twenty seven game winning. Streak there was a lot of confidence,

1141
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 3: There but generally, speaking was was it a confident? VIBE i,

1142
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 3: mean they had a bit of a scare Against Arizona

1143
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 3: state THAT i suppose could have changed confidence. Level but

1144
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 3: where was the team at going into this?

1145
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 5: Game, yeah you, know confidence WAS i still think What

1146
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 5: pete did there around our confidence and how we built

1147
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 5: it was so different than than than anybody else in

1148
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 5: the history of college, football atleast in my twenty years

1149
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 5: around this. Craft AND i say that because we didn't

1150
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 5: gain confidence.

1151
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 2: Based on how we played On.

1152
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 5: Saturday and that was like ingrained manipulated into the brains

1153
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 5: of coaches and definitely the influence influential, players which was

1154
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 5: you're going to gain your confidence practice On. Monday And

1155
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 5: pete was so good at you, know you guys have

1156
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 5: heard about, it like the days of the, week you,

1157
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 5: know tell the Truth, monday Competition, tuesday no repeat or

1158
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 5: no Turnover wednesday and no Repeat thursday and Perfect. Friday

1159
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 5: and that was basically what you just. Did and you

1160
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 5: were so ingrained and engrossed in that that you didn't

1161
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 5: really think about, like, oh, man like we Got Notre

1162
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 5: dame this, week or we got to go to Sun

1163
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 5: Devil stadium this, Week like we didn't really. Care and

1164
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 5: it was interesting because here we are as. COACHES i,

1165
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 5: know specifically for, ME i grew up A Notre dame.

1166
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 5: Fan ALL i want to do is go. THERE i

1167
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 5: went to pit Because Notre dame turned me. Down like

1168
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 5: as sad as that is to, say So i'm here

1169
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 5: thinking about this, rival like, Hey Dwayne steve Like, matt

1170
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 5: like you kidding, Me like, yes aren't juiced up LIKE i?

1171
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 5: Am and they were just like, this and you got

1172
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 5: to give them credit for.

1173
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 2: That and that is All. Pete that was all this.

1174
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 5: Psychology, now with that, said all the coaches we knew

1175
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 5: was that what was at, stake the players knew what

1176
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 5: was at stake in terms of if you. Lose you,

1177
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 5: know at that era of college, football you were kind

1178
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 5: of outside looking in at a national championship. Opportunity so

1179
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 5: guys knew that and they felt. That but we knew

1180
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 5: that we escaped the previous, week but we also knew

1181
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 5: that we really hurt ourselves in that. Game and you

1182
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 5: go back and watch. It the first half was super.

1183
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 2: Hot nobody was.

1184
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 5: Prayed it was the Hottest i'd ever been in my.

1185
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 5: Life you, know coming From, pennsylvania we weren't prepared for.

1186
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 5: That but we came out to just kick the daylights

1187
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 5: out of them in the second. Half and we knew

1188
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 5: knew that we were the most talented team in the

1189
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 5: country and if we just, executed we would win and

1190
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 5: we would dominate.

1191
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 2: Teams and we knew it wouldn't be easy to get

1192
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 2: everybody's best.

1193
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 5: Shot but our confidence never was never really a, Question

1194
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 5: like even when we lost To texas that, year like

1195
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 5: confidence was still through the. Roof and that's all About

1196
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 5: pete of trying to just he really just made everybody

1197
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 5: realize that confidence is something that comes from your own

1198
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 5: self talk versus what other people are.

1199
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:29,360
Speaker 1: Saying on the. Field Against Notre, dame THE usc offense

1200
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 1: had A i would, say up and down. Day there

1201
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 1: were some things that just looked kind of. Sloppy there

1202
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 1: were you, know maybe, misreads there were, drops there were you,

1203
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 1: Know Notre dame overwhelmed the run game at certain. Times

1204
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:43,920
Speaker 1: do you remember being surprised by how well The Notre

1205
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 1: dame defense was. Playing do you remember thinking that your

1206
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 1: own offense seemed rattled by a moment that perhaps was

1207
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 1: bigger than they anticipated because this was not THE usc

1208
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 1: offense that we had seen in big moments.

1209
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 5: Before, Yeah, NO i like, YESTERDAY i remember. Halftime you,

1210
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 5: know every bed In Notre, dame the visitors halftime locker

1211
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 5: room is probably the worst locker Room i've ever seen

1212
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 5: in terms of college, Right, Yeah AND i haven't been

1213
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 5: inside it in a couple of, years but it hasn't really.

1214
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 2: Changed you.

1215
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 5: Know it's kind of like your old school like a

1216
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 5: bad gym locker in high, School like got a couple of,

1217
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 5: rows a couple of, rows and he only no space

1218
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 5: to address the.

1219
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:28,480
Speaker 2: Team we came in and we're very, clear and we

1220
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 2: were a.

1221
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 5: Second half team that whole, year, Right pete's reel whole.

1222
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 5: Tenure they were a second half, program, right which is

1223
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 5: pretty much a detriment to EVERY usc coach after, him

1224
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 5: because everybody just wants them to make changes Like pete.

1225
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 5: Made it wasn't really about the quote unquote changes we,

1226
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 5: made but we're able to just kind of reset a

1227
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 5: lot of times at halftime and know exactly what. Worked

1228
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 5: stark And lane starts specifically was. Brilliant i've never been

1229
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 5: around anybody ever that can see the game from the

1230
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 5: sideline like he can see the game from the. SIDELINE i,

1231
01:02:57,720 --> 01:02:59,959
Speaker 5: mean he can tell what the defensive line is doing

1232
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 5: on the far side of the defensive. Line it's fascinating

1233
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 5: to hear those guys operat and that's where we.

1234
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 2: Were we also knew we were going to get their best.

1235
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 5: Shot you, know if you go back in, time, guys,

1236
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 5: yeah every team rocks the bus, now, right we started

1237
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 5: that the previous. Day we got There friday and there

1238
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:20,760
Speaker 5: was ten thousand fans for our walkthrough outside Of Notre Dame,

1239
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 5: stadium and we start rocking the bus right and then

1240
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 5: we see the grass and IT'S x amount of inches

1241
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 5: higher than it usually. Is and then for, ME i

1242
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 5: played At Notre dame a bunch at pitt and we

1243
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 5: lost every.

1244
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 2: Game like this game.

1245
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 5: Kind of shook out in terms of you just kind

1246
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 5: of ran out of, steam and you hate to say.

1247
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 2: It was like.

1248
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 5: Touchdown jesus helped them out to a certain, Degree like

1249
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 5: it just felt so real because how many teams have

1250
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:48,959
Speaker 5: gone into that stadium and played great and you lose.

1251
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:51,840
Speaker 5: Late that's kind of How Notre dame has built their

1252
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 5: program on a lot of like fourth quarter. Wins SO

1253
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 5: i kind of was feeling, that AND i think our

1254
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:01,680
Speaker 5: team it went back to our coffee and they never,

1255
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 5: Flinched like even when we were, down it was never

1256
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 5: we're going to lose.

1257
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 2: Here the streak. Ends it was.

1258
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 5: NEVER i don't feel as though our guys felt the

1259
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:15,440
Speaker 5: burden of like it kept getting bigger and. Heavier oh my,

1260
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 5: god oh my, god the streak. ENDS i felt as

1261
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 5: though the pressure was On Notre, dame, like.

1262
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 2: End this, game let's end, it let's end, it let's end.

1263
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 5: It and you look at the last couple of drives

1264
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 5: of that, game and some moments like you, Know Brady

1265
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:29,480
Speaker 5: quinn obviously, plays you, know out.

1266
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 2: Of his mind to a large. Degree he makes that touchdown.

1267
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 5: Run he's playing, Loose but we knew parts of their

1268
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 5: team were playing, tight AND i feel that looking back on,

1269
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 5: IT i felt THAT i felt then that they were

1270
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 5: trying not to lose once they had the. Lead VERSUS,

1271
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:46,360
Speaker 5: us we were, saying just give, us give us another. Chance,

1272
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 5: man we don't care how much time it's.

1273
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 2: Left let's.

1274
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 1: Go how many times in the booth was the, phrase

1275
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 1: oh my, god thank God Reggie bush plays for. Us

1276
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 1: oh my. GOD i mean he, right he has those

1277
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 1: two enormous. Touchdowns he's a threat in the in the receiving.

1278
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 1: Game Notre dame has to account for him on every.

1279
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 1: Play and this is A usc team that had run

1280
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 1: the ball really well all year. Long was not outside

1281
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:11,000
Speaker 1: Of reggie and his some of his longer runs running

1282
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:14,040
Speaker 1: the ball that, Well Matt liner was not hitting receivers.

1283
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 1: Downfield he had a big play To Dominique. Bird he

1284
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 1: had a couple of big, plays like in the intermediate.

1285
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 1: Range but this was not THE usc offense consistently like

1286
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 1: it had been. Earlier is it just oh my, god

1287
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 1: thank God ritchie bushes.

1288
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 2: Here there was a lot of.

1289
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:31,560
Speaker 5: THAT i, MEAN i remember the run where he kind

1290
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:35,480
Speaker 5: of hurtled the safety AND i remember watching. THAT i was,

1291
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:37,240
Speaker 5: like it's a. Route we're going to run these dudes

1292
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 5: out of the. Stadium and our team felt that. Too

1293
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 5: but AND i forget the safety's, name who was the Boxer.

1294
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 3: Toms he played out of his.

1295
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:49,400
Speaker 5: MIND i remember he was all over the field in that.

1296
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:51,400
Speaker 2: Game yeah.

1297
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 5: EXACTLY i mean those are the ones that, like that's

1298
01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:57,120
Speaker 5: what killed us in that. Game like you go back

1299
01:05:57,160 --> 01:05:59,360
Speaker 5: and at least and when we went back and watched

1300
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 5: it as a stat it was like it was the

1301
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:06,440
Speaker 5: first time all year that year where throughout the game

1302
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:11,080
Speaker 5: there were not a lot of, plays let alone drives

1303
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:15,360
Speaker 5: where we didn't have Bus you, know we didn't have unforced.

1304
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 2: Air is WHAT i would call them now as a.

1305
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 5: Broadcaster you, know so the power return total bust unforced,

1306
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:21,880
Speaker 5: there we don't do, That like we hadn't done.

1307
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 2: That it was terrible like we were moving the ball

1308
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 2: in the run, game but then.

1309
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 5: We wouldn't make a block or somebody would slip the,

1310
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 5: backside you, know from from a defensive end standpoint and

1311
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 5: track down the inside zone. Play that's where it was

1312
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 5: killing us all. Game we just couldn't get out of our.

1313
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:38,920
Speaker 5: Way and of course you got to give credit To Notre.

1314
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 5: Dame they had obviously a talented team in that. Regard

1315
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 5: they were playing with incredible energy and.

1316
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 2: Confidence and the crowd was epic and all this stuff

1317
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:49,120
Speaker 2: in that. PLACE i know you guys have been, there.

1318
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:52,120
Speaker 5: But it's it's really cool because it literally feels like

1319
01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 5: Like cameron into or maybe in, basketball like fans are

1320
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:55,640
Speaker 5: literally on top of.

1321
01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 2: You SO i just think that's kind of how the game.

1322
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:02,600
Speaker 5: Went we never were able to put anything together for

1323
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:04,600
Speaker 5: a long period of time in that ball.

1324
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 1: Game all, Right, yo you mentioned the.

1325
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 3: Grass you were there as part of the. STAFF i

1326
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 3: was there as a fan AND i remember walking out

1327
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:18,240
Speaker 3: to my seat looking at the field and, thinking what

1328
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:22,120
Speaker 3: the hell is? This but surely somebody forgot to do

1329
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:28,080
Speaker 3: their chores, here walking through maybe the day before walking

1330
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:31,840
Speaker 3: out onto the field the day Of, like is there

1331
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:34,960
Speaker 3: any reaction to that. Whatsoever what did people say when

1332
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 3: they saw the length of the?

1333
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 5: Turf oh, yeah well it was the day, before it

1334
01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 5: was the night before in the, meeting and you, know

1335
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:45,520
Speaker 5: it was kind of the old coaching adage of, cool

1336
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 5: that might slow us, down but it's going to slow

1337
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 5: you down, too you, Know and.

1338
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 2: So we really didn't.

1339
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:53,880
Speaker 5: Care it was kind of like and you, know you

1340
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:57,400
Speaker 5: look back in that, rain that era of Coach, carrol

1341
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 5: every Team. Oklahoma there's even quotes From Bob stoops around

1342
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 5: this game where a lot of teams hoped things went their.

1343
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:09,160
Speaker 5: Way you, know they hoped that it, Rained they hoped

1344
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 5: that the grass Slowed reggie. Down they hope that we

1345
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:14,760
Speaker 5: turn the ball. Over and the difference is of hoping

1346
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:17,920
Speaker 5: versus knowing or. DRAMATIC i still say that, now like

1347
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:21,880
Speaker 5: a Fringe bowl team is still hoping things go well

1348
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:26,160
Speaker 5: in fourth quarters of Games, Clemson. Bama certain teams they

1349
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:28,680
Speaker 5: know what they can do and who they, are and

1350
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:30,680
Speaker 5: that's what we. Were we're, like, okay, cool like you

1351
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:32,880
Speaker 5: want to do, that you want to bring ten, thousand

1352
01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:35,320
Speaker 5: you want to Have Charlie weiss run his mouth like.

1353
01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:38,400
Speaker 2: Whatever it is that go, Ahead like keep hoping that things.

1354
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 5: Go well because we know that we're going to RUN

1355
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:41,080
Speaker 5: iso right up.

1356
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:41,479
Speaker 2: Here you know.

1357
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:44,759
Speaker 5: What we know That Dwayne jarrett won't get covered in single.

1358
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:47,559
Speaker 5: Coverage we know that our defense is going to bring.

1359
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:52,160
Speaker 5: Pressure that was just the, mindset AND i don't want

1360
01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 5: it to be felt as, arrogance but it was right

1361
01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:57,360
Speaker 5: on that. Edge and that's Where pete was. Masterful like

1362
01:08:57,400 --> 01:08:59,120
Speaker 5: he got us to play right on the. Edge and

1363
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 5: that's why you know our team led the nation penalties

1364
01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:03,599
Speaker 5: a lot of the, time or was one of the worst.

1365
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:04,760
Speaker 2: Teams like we played on an.

1366
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:08,880
Speaker 5: Edge officials knew, it opponents knew. It but it also

1367
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:11,280
Speaker 5: allowed us to be as talented as we. Were and

1368
01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:13,840
Speaker 5: that's the EDGE i called the edge of uncomfortable is

1369
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:16,439
Speaker 5: where greatness. Happens and that's where our team was because

1370
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 5: it was such a competitive.

1371
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:23,160
Speaker 1: Environment so the game comes down to the final drive

1372
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:26,440
Speaker 1: for each. Team, Really Notre dame puts together an unbelievable.

1373
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:29,920
Speaker 1: Drive Brady quinn total, gamer leads them down the. Field

1374
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:32,160
Speaker 1: hey they take the. Lead Notre dame, does and THEN

1375
01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:37,000
Speaker 1: usc with their backs against the, Wall Matt lionert comes

1376
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:40,200
Speaker 1: to the line of, scrimmage checks into a play that

1377
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:44,840
Speaker 1: or checks into something that wasn't necessarily called down from

1378
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:47,639
Speaker 1: the booth or from a headset on the. Sideline what

1379
01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:50,680
Speaker 1: was that final what was That Matt lionert play and

1380
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:52,680
Speaker 1: what was it supposed to? Be and what did He

1381
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:54,680
Speaker 1: we know what he checked, into but what was the

1382
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:58,479
Speaker 1: process involved in the biggest moment of that regular.

1383
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:03,840
Speaker 2: Season, yeah, NO i remember it like. Yesterday, man it

1384
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:07,679
Speaker 2: was it was, Cool LIKE i could Remember matt's eyes

1385
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:08,879
Speaker 2: on the highlight.

1386
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:10,679
Speaker 5: Film And i've always, SAID i still believe This Matt

1387
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 5: leonard is the coolest Guy i've ever. Met no offense

1388
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:15,960
Speaker 5: to either one of, You like he's swag around.

1389
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:19,599
Speaker 2: Him it's close to, him close two, three close two.

1390
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:22,400
Speaker 5: Three But matt's always had this aura about, him like

1391
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:25,160
Speaker 5: that THAT edg factor right where when you walk into a,

1392
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:28,120
Speaker 5: room people feel you and you make them. Better and

1393
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:31,439
Speaker 5: he always did. That AND i can remember the sequence

1394
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:33,280
Speaker 5: And i'll take you through. It so up in the,

1395
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 5: Booth i'm next To. Lane my job at the time

1396
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:38,800
Speaker 5: is to basically write down what play we run and

1397
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:41,680
Speaker 5: then the coverage that has run in association with, it

1398
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:43,840
Speaker 5: and the other guy sitting next to me is job

1399
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:46,160
Speaker 5: is to write down the defensive front and if there's

1400
01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:49,200
Speaker 5: blisses after the, series we give those pieces of paper

1401
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:51,240
Speaker 5: in a lane and he looks at what do they play?

1402
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:52,120
Speaker 2: Against what?

1403
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:55,519
Speaker 5: Formation we come up there? Now and here it is

1404
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:58,720
Speaker 5: season on the line. Right everybody knows. It and the

1405
01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:01,000
Speaker 5: play we call is sixty one AND i believe it

1406
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:05,040
Speaker 5: was sam. Protection why option and the play in the?

1407
01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 5: FORMATION i believe it was a three by one, formation

1408
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:13,400
Speaker 5: and the option route is from your tight, End Dominique,

1409
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:18,200
Speaker 5: Bird Dominique. Bird he could either take the option, out

1410
01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:20,840
Speaker 5: take the option, in or if there's no deep, safety

1411
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 5: you just run to go. Route there was clearly a deep.

1412
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:27,959
Speaker 5: Safety and What lane says To, sark And sark relays

1413
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:31,240
Speaker 5: To matt is if they give us this certain, look

1414
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:33,880
Speaker 5: check it to eighty two stay.

1415
01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:37,160
Speaker 2: And eighty two, stay slug. GO i think it was

1416
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:37,840
Speaker 2: F win.

1417
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:42,200
Speaker 5: Was the audible that we often, called and it was

1418
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:46,519
Speaker 5: old School West coast. Offense slat and go on on

1419
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:48,760
Speaker 5: the front, side OR i guess it'd be on the

1420
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:53,200
Speaker 5: backside and then, uh basically slug go win on the

1421
01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:55,559
Speaker 5: on the front, side so it's flat and Go Dwayne

1422
01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:59,960
Speaker 5: jarrett seam route by the slot, receiver hitch way out

1423
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:02,679
Speaker 5: side and max protection by the tight End Dominique bird

1424
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 5: and the running back and the running back.

1425
01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:06,080
Speaker 2: Right you could trickle out if he had.

1426
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:08,559
Speaker 5: To later he trickled out on the previous, snap if

1427
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 5: you remember, that when he caught it and made a

1428
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:13,760
Speaker 5: nice little. Game so we audible of that or what

1429
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:16,840
Speaker 5: we call sixty, one we call the y option. Play

1430
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:19,920
Speaker 5: and Here's lane next to, me And i'm, like not

1431
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:22,720
Speaker 5: saying a, word, obviously you're just kind of. Watching you

1432
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:24,679
Speaker 5: see the, coverage you know what they need to. See

1433
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:29,040
Speaker 5: and it's really this moment of zen amid chaos Of

1434
01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:33,400
Speaker 5: Lane Sark, liner and they, go it's the.

1435
01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:36,360
Speaker 2: Look it's the. Look have him change. It And sark

1436
01:12:36,479 --> 01:12:39,639
Speaker 2: screams in that voice that you, know, hey eighty two

1437
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:42,320
Speaker 2: stay and the signal Is i'm giving it to you.

1438
01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:43,559
Speaker 2: NOW i don't know if you can.

1439
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:46,640
Speaker 1: See ye holding wide binoculars.

1440
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:50,320
Speaker 5: Exactly and it's out to the side and he gives

1441
01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:54,400
Speaker 5: them that signal and everybody relays it and you Hear

1442
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:58,479
Speaker 5: matt with his EyeBlack left to the right offensive line tight.

1443
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:00,280
Speaker 2: End everybody gets the signal.

1444
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:03,600
Speaker 5: And it's single high and we're, like, okay if his

1445
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:06,360
Speaker 5: eyes can hold the safety which was the whole. Point

1446
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:08,920
Speaker 5: if it's the single high, defense like we're gonna we're gonna.

1447
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:13,479
Speaker 5: Win and they, did AND, Dj dwayne obviously, wins is

1448
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:15,439
Speaker 5: released of the line of scrimmage.

1449
01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:18,040
Speaker 2: And for the first time in a long, time.

1450
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 5: The football gods if you believe in, them AND i

1451
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:22,680
Speaker 5: don't necessarily do all the, time but if you believe in.

1452
01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 5: Them they're on the side of the visitor In Notre

1453
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:28,960
Speaker 5: Dame stadium and it goes right past or three dollars

1454
01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:32,200
Speaker 5: suits me up with THE dB And dwayne makes the.

1455
01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:35,000
Speaker 2: Catch so we see it in the booth before it.

1456
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:36,639
Speaker 2: Happens he's got, Him he's got, Him he's got.

1457
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:39,680
Speaker 5: Him and then AND i hate to say, it BUT

1458
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:42,280
Speaker 5: i had zero, Poise no one had any poise because

1459
01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:42,639
Speaker 5: he caught.

1460
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:45,519
Speaker 2: It and we are jumping up and down in the press.

1461
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:48,800
Speaker 5: Box GO dj, Go AND i Remember lane coach the

1462
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:52,280
Speaker 5: receivers Recruited dwayne out Of New, jersey and we're, thinking

1463
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:54,559
Speaker 5: this is a house, call walk, off this is how

1464
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:58,439
Speaker 5: you win the ball. Game and as he's doing, that

1465
01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:01,920
Speaker 5: we're all. Celebrating the payers THAT i referenced earlier are now.

1466
01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:06,679
Speaker 2: Everywhere there's nothing Like it's a Disaster Notre dame because,

1467
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:09,000
Speaker 2: they're you, know an old iconic.

1468
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:12,000
Speaker 5: Stadium maybe they have this old LITTLE tv up in the,

1469
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:15,240
Speaker 5: right And i'm up there like fist, popping Like i'm In,

1470
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:17,760
Speaker 5: vegas AND i smashed.

1471
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:18,519
Speaker 2: The television.

1472
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:22,000
Speaker 5: AND i felt LIKE i broke, it but it didn't,

1473
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:24,400
Speaker 5: matter like you just it was next play, right you're

1474
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:25,200
Speaker 5: screaming the.

1475
01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:27,720
Speaker 2: Adrenaline it's insane for.

1476
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:31,320
Speaker 5: ME i, MEAN i had an utter distaste for Everything

1477
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:34,720
Speaker 5: Notre dame because HERE i am like twelve months removed from,

1478
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:37,320
Speaker 5: playing only wanted to go. There never beat him in

1479
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:39,360
Speaker 5: my career as a, player we always lost, clothes AS

1480
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:39,839
Speaker 5: i referenced.

1481
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:42,600
Speaker 2: Earlier SO i like instantly revert back to like the

1482
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:43,760
Speaker 2: kid in college in a.

1483
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:47,840
Speaker 5: Heartbeat and then it gets hot and we're, thinking oh my,

1484
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:51,280
Speaker 5: god it's, chaos, right and we sit back down and

1485
01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:53,320
Speaker 5: like headsets are, off, Man like this is not like

1486
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:57,200
Speaker 5: it's like organized, cast, Right like this is pandemonium in

1487
01:14:57,240 --> 01:15:00,360
Speaker 5: the booth right alone in the, sideline like you guys saw, it,

1488
01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:03,800
Speaker 5: Right and there's the great YouTube viral clips that are

1489
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:06,479
Speaker 5: out there all over with everybody kind of running back

1490
01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:10,760
Speaker 5: and forth and among amid all of, that AND i

1491
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:13,800
Speaker 5: just talked about it on A pack twelve YouTube Series

1492
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:16,760
Speaker 5: i'm doing About Coach carroll because it was one of

1493
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:18,400
Speaker 5: his proudest moments and when he.

1494
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:20,920
Speaker 2: Looks back on his career because he wasn't that.

1495
01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 5: Way he was straight like, poised and he always had trained.

1496
01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:27,519
Speaker 5: Himself then in the moments of chaos he would be

1497
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:29,000
Speaker 5: the calmnist and he.

1498
01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:31,680
Speaker 2: Was and here we are trying to figure it, out

1499
01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:34,439
Speaker 2: what do we? Do like don't we? Do And i'll

1500
01:15:34,479 --> 01:15:36,559
Speaker 2: hit a period, There but that's basically what set up

1501
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:37,720
Speaker 2: the next segment of.

1502
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:40,360
Speaker 3: Plays so the next segment of plays is The bush.

1503
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:46,200
Speaker 3: Push The bush push is forever enshrined in the history

1504
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:48,519
Speaker 3: of college. Football Matt liner goes up to the, line

1505
01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:51,479
Speaker 3: acts as if he's gonna stop the clock because the

1506
01:15:51,479 --> 01:15:53,559
Speaker 3: clock was whining at that point in time us he

1507
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:57,599
Speaker 3: was out of. Timeouts instead of clocking the, ball decides

1508
01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:01,040
Speaker 3: to go, forward initially stopped on that on that first,

1509
01:16:01,080 --> 01:16:05,679
Speaker 3: push he kind of spins. Around he's facing backwards Towards Reggie,

1510
01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:09,040
Speaker 3: bush And reggie just gives him a shove and knocks

1511
01:16:09,080 --> 01:16:11,680
Speaker 3: him into the end. Zone alast The bush. Push what

1512
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:12,960
Speaker 3: is the reaction like after?

1513
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:17,040
Speaker 5: That, WELL i got to remember, too right prior to

1514
01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:21,000
Speaker 5: That lioner it sneaks and kind of does like the

1515
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 5: worthybird nods of the, sideline and the clock runs out

1516
01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:28,639
Speaker 5: and the fans rush the field AND i think the game's,

1517
01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:32,679
Speaker 5: over and Again pete is straight poised and it's set back.

1518
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:35,080
Speaker 5: Up and while that's, happening the headsets are still on

1519
01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:38,000
Speaker 5: And lane And stark, again they were just so dialed

1520
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:40,960
Speaker 5: and they're talking To matt about what to do and what.

1521
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:41,880
Speaker 2: The play call is going to.

1522
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:45,679
Speaker 5: Be and we had an audible within that play call

1523
01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:49,360
Speaker 5: where you know you're signaling spike, it spike, it spike.

1524
01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:52,760
Speaker 5: It but if one of the coaches pointed at you

1525
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:55,560
Speaker 5: basically gave you the, option, like, Hey, matt if you

1526
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:57,920
Speaker 5: want to take, it take, it you, Know and we

1527
01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:00,400
Speaker 5: obviously all the trust in the world And matt And

1528
01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:03,280
Speaker 5: i'm sure you guys have heard the story From matt's.

1529
01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:06,360
Speaker 2: Mouth if, not it's a great. Story he shared.

1530
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:09,439
Speaker 5: It he shared it many times where he kind of

1531
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:10,840
Speaker 5: just turns around and looks At reggie and he.

1532
01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:11,720
Speaker 2: Goes, hey let's do.

1533
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:14,800
Speaker 5: This and that was kind of the relationship those two,

1534
01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:17,160
Speaker 5: had and you, know everything that they've been through and

1535
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:17,680
Speaker 5: what we've been.

1536
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:19,479
Speaker 2: Through And reggie was on his Own heisman run at

1537
01:17:19,479 --> 01:17:20,040
Speaker 2: the time.

1538
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:24,320
Speaker 5: And the way it, goes and you knew he was

1539
01:17:24,360 --> 01:17:28,160
Speaker 5: going to make it like there was never a hesitation offensive.

1540
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:30,439
Speaker 2: Line and you look at you look back at that offensive.

1541
01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:32,960
Speaker 2: Line we're talking Like Ryan, Khalil Sam.

1542
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:35,240
Speaker 5: BAKER i, mean there's the dudes of dudes on that

1543
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:38,719
Speaker 5: line obviously already kicked out in THE, nfl And reggie

1544
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:41,000
Speaker 5: wasn't going to allow it to. Happen and he's kind

1545
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:44,160
Speaker 5: of happened in slow, motion, Man and when it, happened

1546
01:17:44,280 --> 01:17:48,760
Speaker 5: we lost our minds again in the booth and all

1547
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:49,639
Speaker 5: we want to do is get.

1548
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:50,400
Speaker 2: Down there as fast as.

1549
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:54,559
Speaker 5: Possible And i'll never forget, it because there's only two

1550
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:56,519
Speaker 5: of these THAT i remember in my, career and one

1551
01:17:56,560 --> 01:17:56,960
Speaker 5: of them was this.

1552
01:17:57,000 --> 01:17:58,640
Speaker 2: Game the other one is The texas, game but that we.

1553
01:17:58,760 --> 01:18:03,719
Speaker 5: Lost but you usually get escorted down by police, security

1554
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:07,360
Speaker 5: Especially Notre, dame because it's it's not LIKE i don't

1555
01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:08,800
Speaker 5: know what it is now for, staffs but it's not

1556
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:11,600
Speaker 5: really set up for staffs to get back down to

1557
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:13,439
Speaker 5: the booth or get down to the locker room very,

1558
01:18:13,439 --> 01:18:15,960
Speaker 5: easily like you basically have to like kind of run

1559
01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:19,320
Speaker 5: through the fans and find your way back to the,

1560
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:21,200
Speaker 5: tunnel and they work your way through the. TUNNEL i,

1561
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:25,200
Speaker 5: mean it's it's chaos and this game was. Bonkers so

1562
01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:28,320
Speaker 5: we get out and there's people everywhere because people are, pissed,

1563
01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:31,000
Speaker 5: right Like Notre dame fans are. Leaving everybody's you, know

1564
01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:32,400
Speaker 5: pushing shouldn't.

1565
01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:34,160
Speaker 2: Be nobody really knew the, RULE i believe in that,

1566
01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:36,600
Speaker 2: Era LIKE i don't think you guys watched the. BROADCAST

1567
01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:38,439
Speaker 2: i highly doubt they, said, like.

1568
01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:40,519
Speaker 5: Yeah you're allowed to, push but you can't. Pull like

1569
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:43,959
Speaker 5: that rule had didn't even exist yet in college. Football

1570
01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:46,360
Speaker 5: so there was a lot of debate about what went,

1571
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:49,160
Speaker 5: on let alone should the game already have been? Over

1572
01:18:49,479 --> 01:18:53,080
Speaker 5: So Notre dame fans clearly are very upset in that.

1573
01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:59,240
Speaker 5: Regard so It's, Lane Rocky, seto, Myself Dave, watson Sam,

1574
01:18:59,240 --> 01:19:00,200
Speaker 5: Oo there's a couple of.

1575
01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:03,200
Speaker 2: Us they were like scurrying out And i'm trying to

1576
01:19:03,240 --> 01:19:04,160
Speaker 2: still gather up all those.

1577
01:19:04,160 --> 01:19:05,960
Speaker 5: Papers you, know you don't want to leave, Anything like

1578
01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:08,160
Speaker 5: every coach is paranoid, that like you leave all your,

1579
01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:10,920
Speaker 5: secrets even though everybody does the same thing for the most.

1580
01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:13,439
Speaker 5: Part SO i gather everything, up put it into a little,

1581
01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:16,680
Speaker 5: briefcase and you, KNOW tv is pretty much a disaster up,

1582
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:21,120
Speaker 5: anyway and we run our way down and get to

1583
01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:24,559
Speaker 5: the locker room as fast as possible because for his masterful,

1584
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:26,800
Speaker 5: As pete wasn't so many. Things he was such a great,

1585
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:28,920
Speaker 5: orator and we wanted to hear what he's gonna.

1586
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:29,960
Speaker 2: SAY i want to celebrate with the.

1587
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:33,640
Speaker 5: Fellas and it was, crazy, man it was just it

1588
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:36,200
Speaker 5: was an Ultimate excel game.

1589
01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:38,640
Speaker 2: Of, like not of thank god it's. Over we.

1590
01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:41,160
Speaker 5: Won most teams that are going for a NATTY i

1591
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:44,160
Speaker 5: think feel that. Way it was more of, like holy,

1592
01:19:44,240 --> 01:19:47,240
Speaker 5: shit that just, Happened like can you? Believe and it

1593
01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:51,080
Speaker 5: was almost that moment WHERE i, Think, matt Maybe reggie

1594
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:54,799
Speaker 5: definitely this is a. Staff we knew there was something special,

1595
01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:57,679
Speaker 5: occurring not just for that, season but in the big

1596
01:19:57,720 --> 01:20:01,439
Speaker 5: picture of collegiate athletics and college. Football so, yeah it

1597
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:03,640
Speaker 5: just felt, like hey, man this is like this is our.

1598
01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:05,439
Speaker 5: Year we're going to win that, game like we're gonna

1599
01:20:05,479 --> 01:20:05,720
Speaker 5: win them.

1600
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:08,760
Speaker 3: All, Yeah and you, know you, know you from the other,

1601
01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:13,840
Speaker 3: side being a fan in the stadium with a good

1602
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:16,479
Speaker 3: friend of mine who was A usc, Fan we had

1603
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:19,320
Speaker 3: done plenty of trash talk leading up to that, game

1604
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:23,599
Speaker 3: even throughout the, game but after that, sequence the last two, minutes,

1605
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:26,760
Speaker 3: again like you, said totally. Bonkers we walked out of

1606
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:28,800
Speaker 3: that stadium and didn't say a word to each other

1607
01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:32,639
Speaker 3: for a good twenty thirty minutes because again we were

1608
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:34,120
Speaker 3: still processing.

1609
01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:34,640
Speaker 1: Like holy, shit this.

1610
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:37,679
Speaker 3: Happened we were, Here we saw it with our own

1611
01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:41,320
Speaker 3: eyes and total pandemonium in the. Stadium didn't quite know

1612
01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:43,479
Speaker 3: what was going. On the clock runs, out people run

1613
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:46,519
Speaker 3: on the, field did he? Score did he not? Score

1614
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:49,479
Speaker 3: what happened When Dwayne jarrett caught the? Ball how did

1615
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:53,320
Speaker 3: he get? Open like so many questions without the benefit

1616
01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:56,080
Speaker 3: of having THE tv in front of you that we

1617
01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:58,200
Speaker 3: just didn't know how to. React it was an insane

1618
01:20:58,200 --> 01:20:58,600
Speaker 3: moment in.

1619
01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:01,840
Speaker 5: Sports it was out of, control AND i thought it

1620
01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:04,599
Speaker 5: was also you look back at moments in our careers,

1621
01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:07,439
Speaker 5: now like it was great for the, game you, know

1622
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:10,320
Speaker 5: and it's great when se And Notre dame are, good you,

1623
01:21:10,360 --> 01:21:13,720
Speaker 5: know and national conversation and that, year you, know there's

1624
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:16,040
Speaker 5: a lot of backstory, there, Right Charlie wets And Pete

1625
01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:18,560
Speaker 5: carroll kind of traded spots with The patriots and The

1626
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:22,240
Speaker 5: jets and parcels and the, staffs AND i don't say

1627
01:21:22,240 --> 01:21:25,599
Speaker 5: there's bad, blood but it wasn't like nobody was buddy

1628
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:28,320
Speaker 5: buddy in that, regard And pete never made it, personal

1629
01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:28,559
Speaker 5: but you.

1630
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:30,880
Speaker 2: Could feel it to a degree like there was just

1631
01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:32,880
Speaker 2: a lot of underlying dynamics.

1632
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:35,000
Speaker 5: And you, Know charlie gets the job AND i don't

1633
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:37,000
Speaker 5: want to misquote, him but it was something along the

1634
01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:41,200
Speaker 5: lines of we're gonna have a decided schematic, advantage which

1635
01:21:41,240 --> 01:21:45,720
Speaker 5: clearly was, ridiculous but there's just a.

1636
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:46,960
Speaker 2: Lot there was just a lot going.

1637
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:48,960
Speaker 5: On then you add in the game and the programs

1638
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:52,800
Speaker 5: and the, history and it was really there was really

1639
01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:55,120
Speaker 5: a gift to be a part of a small part

1640
01:21:55,200 --> 01:21:58,599
Speaker 5: of that team and that, year and AS i get,

1641
01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:01,720
Speaker 5: older just that that program because it is.

1642
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:02,920
Speaker 2: Different it's way different Than.

1643
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:05,760
Speaker 5: Alabama It's, clemson and What dad was doing is the

1644
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:08,920
Speaker 5: closest thing to me at What pete. Did it's just

1645
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:11,719
Speaker 5: obviously in a different, conference in a completely different.

1646
01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:16,200
Speaker 1: Community, yogirof thank you very much for your. Time AND

1647
01:22:17,160 --> 01:22:19,840
Speaker 1: i WAS i was sweating a little bit when you

1648
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:22,559
Speaker 1: were talking about the audible ahead of The Duayne jarrett play,

1649
01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:25,160
Speaker 1: like what's going to? Happen what is he still going

1650
01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:29,360
Speaker 1: to catch? It and he, Did he totally. Did AND

1651
01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:34,080
Speaker 1: i appreciate that sort of, insight which Unfortunately tie in

1652
01:22:34,120 --> 01:22:36,120
Speaker 1: section one oh four could not provide the.

1653
01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:41,560
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1654
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1655
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1656
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1657
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1658
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1659
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:52,960
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1660
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1661
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1662
01:22:57,040 --> 01:22:59,280
Speaker 1: Me take care Of thank you all, Right, Dan, well

1663
01:22:59,280 --> 01:22:59,559
Speaker 1: there you.

1664
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:03,400
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1668
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1669
01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:20,120
Speaker 3: Makes peace with an Old. WOUND i will make peace

1670
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1672
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1676
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1677
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1679
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1680
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1681
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1682
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1684
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1686
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1687
01:24:05,120 --> 01:24:08,519
Speaker 1: AGREE i can't wait to do this. AGAIN i really

1688
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:09,559
Speaker 1: hope we have this.

1689
01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:11,679
Speaker 3: Ball that would be nice for that guy over, there

1690
01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:14,519
Speaker 3: my good Friend Dan rubinstein hold up In New York.

1691
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:18,560
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1692
01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:22,680
Speaker 3: thank you so much for embarking on this journey with.

1693
01:24:22,760 --> 01:24:24,400
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1694
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1695
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1696
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Speaker 3: Make Sure, yeah so that really Is John tesh huh Really, Johns,

1697
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1698
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