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Speaker 1: Is this a great game or what with the Hall

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Speaker 1: of Famer Tim Kirkshon, I'm his son, Jeff Kirkshon, and

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Speaker 1: this is kind of our football Super Bowl special. Today's

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Speaker 1: guest is Phil Nevin, who was a Major leaguer, former

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Speaker 1: So very fitting to have him as the guest. Dad

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Speaker 1: can't wait for him to join. Hey, how are you great?

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Speaker 2: Great to see you, Jeff. Phil Nevins one of my

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Speaker 3: You know. He was the.

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Speaker 2: Golden Spikes Award winner at cal State Fullerton, so he

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Speaker 2: was the best college baseball player in the country. He

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Speaker 2: good player. And he managed the Angels for a couple

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Speaker 2: of years. And he's made me laugh because he and

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Speaker 2: Aaron Boone together. I've been out with him a few

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Speaker 2: times and they are just riotous.

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Speaker 1: It's so good being that this is our football baseball special.

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Speaker 1: We're still in the off season. Pictures and catchers haven't

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Speaker 1: reported just yet. The Super Bowl is this Sunday.

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Speaker 2: Dad.

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Speaker 1: Before we dive into that and have some fun intersecting

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Speaker 1: these two great sports, I have to ask you about

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Speaker 1: something I saw on the internet. That had your name

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Speaker 1: on it. Oh no, what it wasn't a butt tweet,

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Speaker 1: which you have done. And I know you butt tweeted

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Speaker 1: somebody on Barstool Sports one time, and that was we

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Speaker 1: went into crisis mode. I became your kind of PR

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Speaker 1: guy to make sure that we could make right. I

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Speaker 1: don't forget where it was.

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Speaker 2: No one has ever sent out a butt tweet before.

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Speaker 2: And then I wrote a heartfelt apology for such a

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Speaker 2: stupid thing, and I got like ten thousand likes. It

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Speaker 2: was so bad. That's how bad I am a technology. Sorry.

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Speaker 1: Well, luckily, dad, it wasn't any mistake that you made.

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Speaker 1: And I feel bad because I kind of saw it

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Speaker 1: in passing and I didn't get a screenshot. But there

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Speaker 1: was an ESPN radio show that was picking ESPN personalities

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Speaker 1: that they would like to see attempt to tackle Derrick Henry.

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Speaker 1: If you were the number one overall pick, you saw this, Yeah, Alex,

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Speaker 1: Alex Fuse from our PR department sent me something. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Michelle Smallman, she picked me overall number one, and I

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Speaker 1: don't understand.

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Speaker 2: I don't understand she thought. I guess she likes me,

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Speaker 2: but she thinks that it would be really funny if

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Speaker 2: I attempted to tackle Dereck Henry. Jeff, I weigh one

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Speaker 2: hundred and forty five pounds. I have an artificial hip.

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Speaker 2: I'm sixty eight years old. I couldn't tackle Patrick Henry.

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Speaker 2: And what makes this so funny?

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Speaker 1: She thinks I would laugh out loud where I would

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Speaker 2: Am I wrong about this?

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Speaker 1: I think we all would be shrieking in fear if

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Speaker 1: we had to face Derek Henry for goodness sake, I

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Speaker 1: mean on our Instagram at great Game or what. We're

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Speaker 1: nearing ten thousand followers by the way, so if you

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Speaker 1: get there. And one of the biggest things was if

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Speaker 1: you had ten possessions to run as a running back,

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Speaker 1: many people in the comments are actually being realistic Dan

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Speaker 1: that most people would maybe die trying to tackle Dereck Henry.

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Speaker 1: I don't care if you have pads on. That guy

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Speaker 1: is no joke, Jeff. He weighs two hundred and sixty pounds.

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Speaker 1: He runs like the wind. My only chances pop.

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Speaker 2: Your grandfather taught at the University of Alabama, Derick Henry

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Speaker 2: played there. Maybe he would give me a break and

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Speaker 2: to the Crimson Tide. I wouldn't get in the way

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Speaker 2: of him for a million dollars, just like I wouldn't

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Speaker 2: going near Derrick Henry and it wouldn't be funny. I'm

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Speaker 1: I was the overall number one choice in this draft,

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Speaker 1: Tim Kirkson and Derrick Henry, we got to make these

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Speaker 1: The super Bowl is this Sunday, Okay. Now, people know,

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Speaker 1: if you listen to the show, I live right outside Philadelphia,

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Speaker 2: Well, I like football, Jeff, I don't understand it anymore.

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Speaker 2: Like I told you before. In the sixties, I knew

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna put something up on our social media

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Speaker 1: poll of our listeners of who you want to win

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Speaker 2: Right, I'm not rooting for anyone. Look, I should hate

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Speaker 2: to root for a great game, you know. I root

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Speaker 2: for the story. Jeff. I guess the Chiefs winning for

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Speaker 2: I think that's the better story. But if the Eagles,

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Speaker 1: But Jeff, you don't think the Saquon Barkley going to

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Speaker 2: Well, I yes. I love to talk to every baseball

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to is This Great Game or What?

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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us. This is my son, Jeff.

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Speaker 3: Nice to meet you, Jeff. I mean, I know we

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Speaker 3: what he does in the dugout?

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Speaker 2: All right, Phil? On that podcast we're talking about, he

434
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Speaker 2: did Moses Malone at the free throw line and I

435
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Speaker 2: have old enough to remember exactly what most of it

436
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 2: was a perfect I was crying with laughter. Have you

437
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,679
Speaker 2: seen Moses Malone at the free throw line?

438
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Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, I've still to do it. I I'm shocked.

439
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:51,879
Speaker 3: You get him and got him to get up and

440
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 3: do all this. Don't ask me to do those things.

441
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 3: I'm not you know, I'm not much of an impersonator.

442
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 3: But he's, uh, he's got some really good ones. I mean,

443
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Speaker 3: he goes he remembers when I was a kicker in

444
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 3: high school and he went to one game and probably

445
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,959
Speaker 3: saw me kick one field goal or anything. And he

446
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 3: can he's probably I mean if you watch video or anything,

447
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 3: but he he'll imitate me when I was kicking. He

448
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 3: does like battings fancy. It's like, how do you remember

449
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 3: these things. It just makes no sense.

450
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Speaker 1: So Phil talking about that time in kicking, you know,

451
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Speaker 1: I feel like now more than ever, we're seeing just

452
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Speaker 1: average joes and Jane's are kicking on college game day

453
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Speaker 1: to win a million dollars in all of this stuff.

454
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Speaker 1: For you, as a former kicker, I don't want to say,

455
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Speaker 1: are you like, ha, yeah, happy, Finally people realize. But

456
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 1: like as a sports fan, kickers get a lot of heat.

457
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Speaker 1: But until you actually have to step up and do that,

458
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Speaker 1: is there a part of you that's like, I'm glad

459
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Speaker 1: that normal people are giving this a shot and see

460
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Speaker 1: just how hard it is.

461
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's you know, I do watch the game

462
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 3: day on Sunday on Saturdays, and I mean, yeah, you know,

463
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 3: there's not a lot of unless you make it big kick.

464
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 3: There's really no recognition for that. I mean, it's just

465
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Speaker 3: part of what sports are. I suppose in that situation,

466
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,439
Speaker 3: you know it's but obviously we know it's important. I mean,

467
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 3: even the punter has become important. They're seeing punters get

468
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 3: drafted in the NFL and how important it is field

469
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Speaker 3: position wise. But you know, the I mean the guy

470
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Speaker 3: that scores the most points. I mean It's kind of

471
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Speaker 3: like I equate the one record in Major League Baseball

472
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Speaker 3: that I feel is so underlooked, and it's Ricky Henderson's

473
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Speaker 3: run scored record. I mean, the name of our game

474
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Speaker 3: is to score more runs than the other team. I mean,

475
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 3: that's the objective, and he did it better than anybody

476
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Speaker 3: in the history of the game. And in the NFL,

477
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Speaker 3: you're starting trying to score more points than the other team.

478
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Speaker 3: And you know usually at the end of the year,

479
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 3: your highest points scorer on your team is your field

480
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Speaker 3: goal kicker. And hey, I mean, is Tom Brady what

481
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 3: he is without Adam Viniterry making that field goal in

482
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 3: the snow his first year. I mean, he misses that kick.

483
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,679
Speaker 3: We're not sure. We'res Brady is maybe Drew Bledstone's the

484
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 3: starting quarterback the next year instead of Tom Brady. So

485
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 3: because they didn't win the AFC chance, that's a good point.

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Speaker 2: And that Phil, you were a really good kicker, especially

487
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Speaker 2: your freshman year at cal State Fullerton, A couple of

488
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Speaker 2: field goals over fifty yards. When's the last time you

489
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Speaker 2: kicked a field goal?

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Speaker 3: I knew that question was coming, so it was about

491
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,159
Speaker 3: it was probably four or five Christmases ago, and we

492
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 3: were watching a game and a kicker missed an extra point,

493
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Speaker 3: and I can say I never missed an extra point,

494
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Speaker 3: So I never missed high school and I never missed

495
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 3: one of college. Now that's not like a big brag,

496
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 3: because you can I just never had one blocker a thing.

497
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Speaker 3: It's really I'm not gonna say it's hard, but it's

498
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 3: if you're a decent enough kicker, it's rough to miss

499
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 3: one from twenty yards away and where the goal posts are.

500
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 3: But anyhow, I made a comment about somebody missing an

501
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 3: extra point or something like that, and the boys say, oh,

502
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,679
Speaker 3: you think you can still do it. I'm like, yeah, absolutely,

503
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 3: I can make an extra point right now. So Christmas morning,

504
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 3: we wake up and we're opening Presence, and sure enough,

505
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 3: I got two NFL footballs. That was my Christmas gift,

506
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 3: and we're going over to the high school to see

507
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Speaker 3: if you can make this extra point. And my daughter,

508
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 3: who at the time was a trainer, an athletic trainer

509
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 3: and studying to do that, she's like, Dad, I don't

510
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 3: know if this is a good idea. You better stretch

511
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 3: really stretch it off. So we were running around running

512
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 3: routes and throwing in my guard. It's time to kick.

513
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 3: I felt like I warmed up enough and hit a

514
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 3: couple extra points and we start moving back and I'm like, geez,

515
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,679
Speaker 3: I wonder how far I can kick one still, And

516
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 3: we got to thirty five. I remember that, and I

517
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 3: hit it and I made it, and I'm like, I

518
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 3: need to add a little extra to get to forty.

519
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:46,439
Speaker 3: So I'm just going to hit one more from here.

520
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 3: And I added a little something into it, and you guys,

521
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 3: I felt like my leg went through the upright, I

522
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 3: felt something. I tore my groin, I tore my gip flexer,

523
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 3: no joke. And we were leaving for Cabo San Lucas

524
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 3: the next day for a golf trip, to a family

525
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 3: trip with the boys, and I played golf and I

526
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 3: was miserable for about three weeks because of the torn

527
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 3: growing and the torn hip flexer. So it was not fun.

528
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 3: But I did make the kick.

529
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Speaker 1: Though, So then you got to be one of your

530
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: daughter's first clients, right, having dad That was more.

531
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Speaker 3: Just laying on the couch and iicen, but yeah, it was.

532
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 3: It was painful. But that's the last time and will

533
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 3: be the last time I ever kick a ball.

534
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Speaker 2: I feel really stupid question, as if we haven't asked

535
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 2: you enough of those. Okay, could a great NFL punch

536
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 2: Ray Guy, Reggie Robi, anyone over the years, stand even

537
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 2: at third base at Fenway Park and punt the ball

538
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 2: over the Green Monster into the net. That's roughly it's

539
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 2: roughly two hundred and ten feet, which makes it seventy

540
00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 2: yards and you got to kick it really high. I

541
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 2: don't know anything about punting. Could a punter punt it

542
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 2: from third base over the Green Monster?

543
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 3: I think the guys today can. Yeah, the way the

544
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 3: technology the ball, Yeah, I think a punt, Yes, I

545
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 3: think I think that can happen. It's that wall is

546
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 3: closer than you think. You know, those numbers they put

547
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 3: out there is not quite accurate. I think that's under

548
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 3: three hundred feet and like I turned around at third

549
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 3: base and it's like it's right behind me. But I

550
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 3: think I think a guy could punt now. It's it

551
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 3: amazes me over the years. I'll say, when we kicked

552
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 3: off when I was in college, we kicked off from

553
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 3: the forty yard line and if you kicked I want

554
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 3: to say, half your balls into the end zone. You

555
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,479
Speaker 3: were it was really good, and now they're kicking off

556
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 3: from the thirty five and balls are going out of

557
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 3: the end zone. I don't know if it's you know,

558
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 3: as we as we've watched sports over the years and

559
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 3: the evolution of just the human being. I would say

560
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 3: that that plays these things there. Even the kickers and

561
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 3: punters are bigger dudes. And I don't know if it

562
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 3: has something to do with the way the balls inflated

563
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 3: or anything like that, but it seems to be going

564
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 3: further and further every year. We're seeing what did Carlson

565
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 3: kick a sixty five yard field goal last year or something?

566
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 3: Or Aubrey from from Dallas.

567
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: But yeah, fantasy team that was big this year for me.

568
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do think, Yes, I do think that might

569
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 3: be the only stadium you can get one over there

570
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 3: because it's so close yet right agreed?

571
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Speaker 2: Now, Phil, if the average dope like Jeffrey who's thirty

572
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 2: one years old, played soccer until he was ten and

573
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 2: then quit, would he have any chance, any chance of

574
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 2: kicking an extra point in an NFL game? Again, No,

575
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 2: he's no chance, right, zero percent?

576
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Speaker 1: Does it help if I tell you I'm left footed?

577
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 2: Phil? Is that help for now?

578
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 3: Might hurt you because the holder has to make an adjustment.

579
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Speaker 1: But I'll run right in northern back.

580
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 3: And you're asking me about in an actual game, like

581
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 3: with the defense coming at you. Yeah, I just think

582
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 3: it happened so fast, right, Yeah, you can put a

583
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 3: ball on the tier, have someone hold it and you're

584
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 3: looking at it. Okay, I gotta go. But you got

585
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 3: to understand when an NFL kicker or a college high school,

586
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 3: when the ball snaps, you are actually moving towards that

587
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 3: space before the ball is on the ground, So you're

588
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 3: actually looking at a little spot on the ground. And

589
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 3: to get that adjustment. Now, I mean, if you were

590
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 3: to practice and practice and practice, if you kicked in

591
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 3: a soccer of soccer ball and had a decent leg,

592
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 3: I mean, it's not that far. But to just go

593
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 3: out there and do it, you know, naked, if you will,

594
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 3: I know, I don't think anybody can do it.

595
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 2: I totally agree, all right, Phil, Back to the NFL

596
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 2: for a minute. Help me here. I watch Patrick Mahomes

597
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 2: play and I am mesmerized what I see when I

598
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 2: watch him play. When he throws the ball side arm,

599
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 2: when he throws it left handed, when he throws it

600
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 2: behind his back. I see a great former baseball player

601
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 2: and a great point guard playing core in the NFL.

602
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 2: To me, he personifies how important it is to play

603
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 2: as many sports as you can growing up. Am I

604
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 2: seeing the right thing with Patrick Mahomes.

605
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 3: I couldn't agree with you more. I think kids these

606
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 3: days don't get an opportunity or just don't they, you know,

607
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 3: they're so focused on one sport, especially when you're like

608
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 3: in the warmer states, you know, like California and Florida, Texas,

609
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 3: you can play baseball year round. There's travel ball, and

610
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 3: they start playing baseball and that's all they do. I

611
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 3: am a firm believer. Like when I go out and

612
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 3: look at players right now, scout your amateur players. I

613
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 3: asked the question, do you play it? Does he play

614
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 3: any other sports? And when I hear he's a basketball

615
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 3: player or a football player, that intrigues me a little

616
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 3: more because the athleticism to do any other sport and

617
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 3: they're all different. I think it translates into other sports

618
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 3: as far as how you use your feet, how you

619
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 3: use your hands, the mental part of it as well.

620
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 3: I certainly believe that Patrick's baseball all days, and I

621
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 3: knew it was a shortstop. It certainly has an impact

622
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 3: on what he does on the football field, and he's,

623
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Speaker 3: as you said, he's it's incredible to watch what he

624
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 3: does on the field. I love watching him play, except

625
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 3: twice a year when they when we have played the Chargers,

626
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 3: it kills me. But no, it's it's pretty impressive. And

627
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 3: I think anybody that's played sports and been around our

628
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 3: games or anything like that, I for one, have a

629
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 3: great appreciation for greatness, for dominance, and more importantly for

630
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 3: sustained greatness. And what you're seeing with what happened with

631
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 3: Tom Brady we just mentioned him earlier. What Patrick Mahomes

632
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 3: is doing now in the Kansas City Chiefs with Andy Reid,

633
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 3: you just like, look at it and it's so hard

634
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 3: to win, but it's even harder to keep winning, and

635
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 3: what they are doing there is so impressive. It's a

636
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 3: it's a fun team to watch. It's a fun it's

637
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 3: a it's fun to see Andy, you know, interact with

638
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 3: his players, and it's just something I really enjoy looking

639
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 3: at and watching and following and getting to know the

640
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 3: inner workings of those things.

641
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Speaker 1: You know, Phil, for you, you know you brought up

642
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: kids growing up playing multiple sports, the importance of that

643
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 1: as a father, right raising your kids and having a

644
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: major league dad, how was how did you toe the line?

645
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,720
Speaker 1: And we've talked to guests about this before, but between

646
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: being dad and being a major league baseball player, trying

647
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: to help their kids grow up and become a great athlete,

648
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 1: and letting the coaches coach or coaching yourself, how did

649
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: you kind of balance all of them?

650
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, to be honest with you, I was

651
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 3: gone a lot what we were. We were fortunate enough,

652
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 3: you know, when I was managing through the minor leagues

653
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 3: or my last couple of years playing, we could you know,

654
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 3: they're playing flight away and they were around as much

655
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 3: as we possibly could when they came to the field.

656
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 3: They just love being around the game. I think they're

657
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 3: I think the thing that they took away, especially Tyler,

658
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 3: because he remembers being in the dugout even at the

659
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 3: end of my career. For you know, when I was

660
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,320
Speaker 3: with the Cubs, Dusty loved to have the guy the

661
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 3: kids in the dugout, as you remember, or just being

662
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 3: in the dugout and the minor league teams that I

663
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,800
Speaker 3: managed through Double A and Triple A. He can still

664
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 3: point out and remember, like the guys that had so

665
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 3: much talent and never made it, or the guys that

666
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 3: didn't have as much talent and did make it, and

667
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 3: why whether it was me talking about them or just

668
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 3: him observing the game. But my boys are completely different. Kyle,

669
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 3: he was in the playroom and eating candy and watching everything,

670
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 3: and he's it wasn't as Tyler paid attention to everything

671
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 3: and he never missed it in and he kept scoring

672
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 3: the games. He paid attention to the players and their personalities.

673
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 3: He did imitations just like Aaron Boone does. He was

674
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,399
Speaker 3: very engaged to everything, and I think that's benefited him

675
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 3: a lot. They're two. It's great when you my two

676
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 3: boys are the best of friends, and I'm happy they're

677
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 3: both successful and doing things in this game. But there

678
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 3: are two really different personalities, and it's it's fun to

679
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 3: watch those of all as they get older. But they

680
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 3: just grew up around the game and they liked it.

681
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 3: I never pushed him into it. I help them out

682
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,919
Speaker 3: as much as I can. I did try to coach

683
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 3: their travel ball team for a part of a summer

684
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 3: when I first retired, and it was it was a

685
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 3: disaster because the parents are just out of their minds,

686
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 3: and all those all those travel ball memes you see

687
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 3: or little skits you see on social media, it's it's

688
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 3: right on point. Some of these coaches and parents that

689
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 3: they're living and dying. They think their kid's not going

690
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 3: to make it to the big leagues if they strike out.

691
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 3: It's just it drove me crazy.

692
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 1: So, yeah, here's this guy on social and I think

693
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: it's it's who Phil's talking about right now. This guy

694
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: on social media does an impression of a travel ball

695
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: coach and he always opens it up with, hey, guys,

696
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: in four days, we just got a bid to go

697
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: to the Bahamas, so we leave in forty eight hours

698
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: and you need ten thousand dollars. And then right after

699
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: that we're going to Cabo and then we're going to

700
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: Italy for a tournament in June. So take off work,

701
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: quit your jobs, because this is your life now.

702
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 3: I remember Tyler was like eleven, ten or eleven, and

703
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 3: it was I you know, we share a start time

704
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 3: together in the winter, and it was like it was

705
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 3: a Thanksgiving and we had a big family vacation planned

706
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 3: and it was this big tournament over Thanksgiving. They're eleven

707
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 3: years old, and I remember telling, well, Tyler's not going

708
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 3: to be there. We're going to Mexico or something, and

709
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 3: the coach was just, there's no way you can take

710
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 3: them away from it the biggest tournament. And I'm like,

711
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,359
Speaker 3: it's only if you win it. What happens? Yeah, what

712
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 3: do we get if we win it? Like? What are

713
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 3: we missing here? It's like, I think he'll be fine.

714
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 3: It It just that's the way it started. And I

715
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 3: mean they loved playing, of course, but our family time

716
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 3: is just as important.

717
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 2: Well God bless you on that. Phil. All right, fast

718
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,760
Speaker 2: forward though, help me here. You took out the lineup

719
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 2: card as the manager of the Angels, and Tyler brought

720
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 2: out the lineup card as.

721
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 1: A player for the Orioles. Do I have that right?

722
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: And what was that?

723
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 3: Like? You do have it right? And the other thing

724
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,760
Speaker 3: that people don't know is that was the very first

725
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 3: time I ever got to see my son play a

726
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 3: major League game in person, when I was in the

727
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 3: dugout and he was playing. So when he got called up,

728
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 3: I did have a in my contract with the Yankees

729
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 3: when he ever, if he were to ever get called up,

730
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 3: Brian Cashman told me I could leave and go see

731
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 3: his first game, but I had been I was really

732
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,919
Speaker 3: sick at the time, and he got called up as

733
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:48,240
Speaker 3: I was just getting out of the hospital, to be honest,

734
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 3: and his mom went, a lot of family went, but

735
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 3: I watched it from my couch in New York, and

736
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 3: I never got to see him play live because he

737
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 3: got either sent down before we came to Baltimo more

738
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 3: he got traded and then he was with the Tigers

739
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 3: and we missed him there. But the first, the first

740
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,879
Speaker 3: time I ever saw him play live in a major

741
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 3: league game, I was in the dugout. But yes, we

742
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 3: took the we took the lineup cards out. And the

743
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 3: one thing I do remember about that, and we have

744
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,399
Speaker 3: a picture of Ted Barrett was the homeplate umpire, right

745
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 3: and his son at the time was coming up through

746
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 3: the minor leagues as an umpire. He he's since decided

747
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 3: to change career paths. But I remember Ted saying, man,

748
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 3: this is I hope I get to do this with

749
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 3: my son someday, like just be on the same field

750
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 3: with them, And it was I just remember that. It

751
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 3: was an emotional time for all of us. And and

752
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 3: then he got to hit his first a bat and

753
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 3: then he wore me out. Actually, when he was with

754
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 3: the A's, I always kid him because when he was

755
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 3: with Oakland my last year at the Angels, he had

756
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 3: a big series. He probably had five or six hits

757
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 3: and drove in some runs, and it was towards the

758
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 3: end of the year, and I always I always tease

759
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 3: him that he's the reason I got to let go

760
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 3: from the Angel My own kid killed me.

761
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 2: Phil, When your major league career ended years ago, you're

762
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 2: fifty four years old. Now when you look back at

763
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 2: the game that you played and now you look at

764
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:24,760
Speaker 2: the game that we play today, what is the biggest

765
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 2: difference between your time playing and the game we see today.

766
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 3: Well, I think the game has evolved. You can go

767
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 3: through any era you know, and I know you're a

768
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 3: historian at a game, and you understand that the game

769
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 3: has changed quite a bit since you know, when you

770
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 3: were watching games. What was that like the thirties or

771
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 3: forties when you.

772
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 2: Starting, Phil, I'm sixty eight, I'm not ninety eight.

773
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 3: Oh, okay, okay, okay, I just I didn't get.

774
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: The feels like that. It feels like he was around

775
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: for the dead ball era.

776
00:40:55,840 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 3: I feel you, Phil, but I think and I would

777
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 3: say this the way the game has evolved, and I

778
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 3: mentioned travel ball earlier and these showcases and things like that,

779
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 3: I really feel like that has had such an impact

780
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 3: on what the game has evolved into today. I mean,

781
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 3: it's faster, the players are stronger, you know, Pitchers are

782
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,959
Speaker 3: throwing harder, Guys are hitting the ball farther. The one

783
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 3: thing that I think we notice is that you know,

784
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 3: when you're playing and used to play in little league

785
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 3: and then you went and played football and baseball, but

786
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 3: you are always in a team atmosphere and winning games

787
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 3: and things like that. You played with your high school

788
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 3: buddies all through high school. You went to college and

789
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:39,240
Speaker 3: you played with the same guys for three years. That's different.

790
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 3: Now these travel ball kids are playing on a different

791
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 3: team every week. The emphasis isn't about winning. I think

792
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 3: the game has changed from you know, I understand the

793
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 3: analytical part of it and how we need to score

794
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 3: more runs and things like that, but I think the

795
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 3: emphasis on winning baseball when kids are brought up these

796
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 3: days is a lot different. It really is. It's becomes

797
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 3: harder and harder to teach that and preach that when

798
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 3: you're a manager, when you're a coach. We drive as

799
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,839
Speaker 3: best we can through the minor leagues, but you see

800
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 3: it when you get into the playoffs. You watch games

801
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,320
Speaker 3: in the playoffs and the games are just played differently.

802
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 3: I bring up Starling Marte last year in the playoffs,

803
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 3: and I watched Starling since he was in Double A

804
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 3: with al Tuna and I was with the Eerie Sea

805
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,240
Speaker 3: Wolves with the Detroit Tigers. And Starling could hit balls,

806
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 3: you know, five hundred feet, and he was he was

807
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 3: a poll guy, and you watched him throughout his career

808
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 3: he's and then you watched him in the playoffs, and

809
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 3: how many base hits did he get to the right

810
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 3: side to help his team score a run or move

811
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:44,439
Speaker 3: a guy over. The game has just played differently. I mean,

812
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 3: there's so many instances I can point to, but that

813
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 3: one stood out for me as watching I watched every

814
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 3: inning of the Mets games because Carlos Mendoza and I

815
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 3: are so close, and just to see their style of

816
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 3: baseball they played. But I just don't think that's taught

817
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 3: enough at a younger age anymore, as like it used

818
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 3: to be. You know, a runner at second and nobody out.

819
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 3: You get a kid in pro ball. I don't even understand.

820
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 3: I don't know if he even has an idea of

821
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 3: thought to hit the ball the other way, or how

822
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 3: important that one run is early in a game. And

823
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,720
Speaker 3: I think that's probably to me, one of the biggest,

824
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 3: the biggest things that's changed in our game over the

825
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 3: years from when I started playing anyway. But it's also,

826
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 3: I've said it a million times, it's our job as coaches,

827
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 3: as managers, as leaders in this game. We adjust to

828
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 3: the players. It's not the players adjusting to us. And

829
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 3: I think the coaches and and managers that are do

830
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 3: that the best are the ones that are the most

831
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 3: successful in our game.

832
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 2: All right, Phil, let me ask you something. Buck Showalter

833
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 2: called me the other night to say, I just heard

834
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 2: Phil Nevin say something really interesting. He said the he

835
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 2: said that you said, like the only thing in the

836
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 2: game now that you can't quantify at all, meaning upstairs

837
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 2: nobody is second guessing you. Is the job of the

838
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 2: third base coach, which you have been many times in

839
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 2: your career. Could you explain what you were saying, because

840
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,879
Speaker 2: Buck thought A was right on target and it was fascinating.

841
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I can't remember who I was talking

842
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 3: to about that, and I love Buck. He's I played

843
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 3: for Buck, and I really enjoy our conversations about baseball.

844
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 3: What I was referring to is I was actually helping

845
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 3: somebody that's just going to get started coaching third through

846
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 3: the minor leagues. But it was asked about it. But

847
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 3: it's the one job that can never change in our game.

848
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 3: There's no analytical involvement in it. There's no you know,

849
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 3: you're a part of the baseball game and that will

850
00:44:55,880 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 3: never change you. You make decisions on the fly. You

851
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 3: it's as close to being a player when you're a

852
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 3: coach as any position in any sport. There's no other

853
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 3: spot like it. You know, you can be a hitting

854
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 3: coach and send the guy into the batter's box, you're

855
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 3: not in there with them. You can be a pitching coach.

856
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 3: You know, you can call an offensive play and it's

857
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 3: about the guys going out there and executing it. But

858
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 3: you're making decisions throughout the game that impact the game,

859
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 3: and they're on the fly, and it's part of your

860
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 3: thought process at third base. And it's the reason why

861
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 3: I loved it so much. It's as close as we

862
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 3: all want to still play. Nobody wants to not be

863
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 3: able to play the game anymore. But it's as close

864
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 3: as you're ever going to get to being a player

865
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 3: on the field in any position, in any sport, in

866
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 3: any coaching spot.

867
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: That's such a good point. I never thought about it

868
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: like that. It is by far the most involved coach

869
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,959
Speaker 1: you brought up football there. You know, if you call

870
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 1: a you know, a sweep right, well, you don't know

871
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: what the defense is going to call in that moment.

872
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,280
Speaker 1: You don't know how many guys there bringing behind the line.

873
00:45:56,360 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: So I mean this call is you're assessing the ball,

874
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: the player in the outfield, the player on the field.

875
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: There's so many things that are going into the situation,

876
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: the score in the game, all of that. That's fascinating.

877
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 1: That's so true.

878
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 3: Well, and another thing is, and I think maybe what

879
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 3: Buck might have been referring to is as I was.

880
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 3: I was actually talking to a group of minor league

881
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 3: coaches the other day and this isn't a position, and

882
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 3: I encourage them all to go out there and experience it.

883
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,359
Speaker 3: You you need to go out there because going through

884
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 3: the hiring process as a manager, there's three there's things

885
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 3: that you ask about coaches in the minor league So

886
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 3: can they throw bat in practice? Can they hit a fung? Go?

887
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 3: Have they ever coached one of the bases? You can't

888
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 3: just there's there's a lot of coaches these days, and

889
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 3: there's nothing wrong with this. You know. They they study

890
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 3: hitting and they study the science of hitting and they

891
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 3: become a major league hitting coach right away. Pitching coaches

892
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 3: are the same way. I think Matt Blake is one

893
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 3: of the best in our game with the Yankees, and

894
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 3: he really he was never a pitching coach at any

895
00:46:58,040 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 3: level in the minor leagues until he became the Yank

896
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 3: He's pitching coach now. He worked with pitchers, and it

897
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 3: wasn't like he never coached pitchers, but never in a dugout.

898
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 3: You will never see a coach just for the first

899
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 3: time in his life coach third base in the major leagues.

900
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 3: You have to do it. You have to practice it.

901
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 3: You have to come up through the system and in

902
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 3: some way, shape or form, have been over there and

903
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 3: experience that. It's not something you can just pick up

904
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,919
Speaker 3: in a few weeks of spring training and go coach

905
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 3: third in a major league games. It's a difficult job.

906
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 3: We talked about being a kicker, and it's a thankless job.

907
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 3: I mean, nobody says, wow, he's a great third baby.

908
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 3: You don't hear that. You always hear like, well, geez,

909
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 3: you got this guy thrown out or that guy thrown out.

910
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 3: You know, I mean, sure, there's I mean, in the

911
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 3: baseball world, we talk about the guys, you know, Tim Flannery,

912
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 3: Joe Malfatano, Jeane Lamont was great. I learned a lot

913
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 3: from him. Ron Washington. I mean, these are guys that

914
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:57,320
Speaker 3: I had conversations with before I started doing it in

915
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 3: the minor leagues so I could get better.

916
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 2: Tell me what it was like to manage show Heo

917
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 2: Tani in the major leagues And were you as dazzled

918
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 2: as the rest of us watching him do stuff on

919
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 2: a daily basis?

920
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:19,760
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I really was. What was it like? It was awesome.

921
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 3: It was somebody that, you know, the best players of

922
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 3: manager are the ones that you just never have to

923
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 3: worry about. You. You know that they're going to be prepared,

924
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,240
Speaker 3: which I've never been around a player that's more prepared

925
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,280
Speaker 3: than show Heo Tani that took care of his body

926
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 3: the way he does. He would look ahead we were playing,

927
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 3: we had the eleven o'clock marathon game in Boston two

928
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,399
Speaker 3: years ago, and it was a it was a week

929
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,359
Speaker 3: and a half or two leading up to it. It's

930
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 3: early in the season, and I noticed that it was

931
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 3: show Hay's day to pitch. So I called him in

932
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 3: and said, hey, we can adjust this. Because his workload

933
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 3: throughout a year, you do. Try to manage that and

934
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,120
Speaker 3: work through it and give him as much rest as

935
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 3: you can without giving him a day off, if that

936
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 3: makes sense. And I pointed on the calendar. I said, okay,

937
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 3: this game is at eleven o'clock in the morning. We

938
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:10,959
Speaker 3: can push you back and have you pitch the first

939
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 3: game in New York and give you that day. And

940
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 3: he starts looking at it. He goes, Nope, we play

941
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 3: at one o'clock on Sunday. I can go to sleep

942
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 3: by seven o'clock. I can wake up at this time

943
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 3: and I'll be ready to pitch at eleven o'clock. And

944
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 3: I looked at his interpreter. I said, he's just gonna

945
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 3: go to bed at seven o'clock. And what happens. I

946
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 3: don't know about you, but I can't just lay my

947
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 3: head down side and go to sleep. And yeah, he

948
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 3: just puts his head down, he closes his eyes, and

949
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 3: he's like a machine, and he just goes asleep, and

950
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:40,359
Speaker 3: he gets his proper rest, and he wakes up at

951
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 3: a certain time. He started preparing for that game, probably

952
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 3: a week and a half ahead of time. Just one

953
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 3: of the scenarios where I say, and then not to

954
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 3: mention what he does on the field, everything he does

955
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 3: in his life, from the time he wakes up to

956
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 3: the time he goes to bed, and even those hours

957
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 3: in between, is to be the greatest baseball player in

958
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 3: the world. Obviously it's working. I don't think we'll ever

959
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 3: seeing another thing like it. We say these things over

960
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,479
Speaker 3: the years, but I really don't think we will see

961
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 3: another player like this. He's so good, he's so talented.

962
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 3: But there's a reason why he's the greatest is because

963
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 3: of the fact that what he puts into it that

964
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 3: people don't see behind the scenes. And not to mention

965
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 3: he he wants to win so bad. I was so

966
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,320
Speaker 3: happy for him last year when they won the World

967
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 3: Series and seeing the look on his face, that's all

968
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 3: he wanted in this game. It's and I say that

969
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 3: with all sincerity. He wants to win so bad. He

970
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 3: saw him in the World Baseball Classic and his reactions

971
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 3: when they won, and then you saw him in the

972
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 3: World Series. It just brought a lot of joy to me,

973
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 3: even though you know it was hard for me because

974
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 3: I you know how much I love Aaron Boone and

975
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 3: I was rooting for the Yankees, and you know, there

976
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 3: was on both sides because Dave Roberts is such a

977
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 3: great friend of mine. But Dave had one, and I

978
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 3: knew show he was gonna get one at some point,

979
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:58,879
Speaker 3: and I really want and Aaron's gonna get one too,

980
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 3: and I can't wait for that day as well. But

981
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 3: it was really neat to see show Hey be in

982
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 3: that position and have such an impact on them doing well,

983
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 3: because that's all he wants in this game is to

984
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 3: win and win championships.

985
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 1: Phil you said you mentioned, you know, seeing your son

986
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: play a major league game in person, and if I

987
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: have this right, he's signed to go play overseas in Japan.

988
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 1: Are you planning a trip for twenty twenty five.

989
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 3: I'm gonna the position I've taken with the White Sox,

990
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 3: and we've had these conversations. I'm going to be able

991
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 3: to leave spring training a few days early and I'm

992
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 3: going to get to see his first few games in Japan,

993
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 3: So I'm really excited about that. We've the time change

994
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 3: is a little off. So about when I'm right now

995
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 3: and I'm going to bed, he's just getting out of

996
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 3: their spring training has already started and he's having a blast.

997
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 3: And I've managed a lot of players in the minor

998
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 3: leagues that have gone over and played in Japan, and

999
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 3: I can give you the list of them, and I

1000
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 3: knew after a few like this guy's going to be

1001
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 3: able to go over there and do well, and this

1002
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 3: guy's not. It's the people that go over and the

1003
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 3: players that brace the culture, that really loved the game. Yes,

1004
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 3: all of them are going over because obviously the money

1005
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 3: and the opportunity, and that's part of it for him

1006
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 3: for sure. But you know, he sent me a picture

1007
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 3: his first team meal. The team kind of messed with

1008
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 3: him a little bit and he was sitting at this

1009
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 3: table and they're like, all right, dinner's coming, and they

1010
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 3: brought out this it had to be like a fifty

1011
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 3: pound yellowfin tuna and they just threw it on the

1012
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:27,800
Speaker 3: whole fish. They just threw it on his plate and

1013
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 3: go all right, we're gonna eat and he's like he

1014
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 3: could see his face and then they have this chef

1015
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 3: come over and the car. He's sending me pictures of

1016
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 3: his meals in the fields and talking about the practices

1017
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,320
Speaker 3: every day. He's loving it. I'm excited for him and

1018
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 3: really can't wait to get over there. I get an

1019
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 3: opportunity to go over there a few times during my

1020
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,359
Speaker 3: couple of years in college, and then we took an

1021
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 3: all star team I believe in two thousand major League

1022
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 3: team that played the Japanese and it's a wonderful country.

1023
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 3: I love it. I love the food, I love the culture,

1024
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,280
Speaker 3: and looking forward to getting over there, first and foremost

1025
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 3: to see my son. Because when he left and you guys,

1026
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 3: both Tim and you know you're old, your son's older.

1027
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter how old they get. It was a

1028
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 3: hard goodbye, but you think about it, it was just like, Okay,

1029
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 3: we're just leaving for spring training. But the fact that

1030
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:18,919
Speaker 3: he's halfway around the world, is this just a little

1031
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 3: hits a little different. But I'm really looking forward to

1032
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 3: seeing him because I know he's having such a great time.

1033
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 2: Well that's great, all right, Phil, last one from me

1034
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 2: will let you go just tell me where are you

1035
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 2: watching the Super Bowl? Who are you watching the Super

1036
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 2: Bowl with? What food are you going to have? What

1037
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 2: is what's the big plan for Super Bowl Sunday for

1038
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 2: Phil Nevit.

1039
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 3: We will be upstairs and we have a little theater room.

1040
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 3: My dad's coming over and my son and my dad.

1041
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 3: I'm not a super Bowl party guy. I like to

1042
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 3: I want to hear every word the commentators say. I

1043
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 3: want to watch all the commercials. I want to be

1044
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 3: locked into the game. It's quiet time in the room

1045
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 3: you share for whatever team you're rooting for. I will refrain.

1046
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 3: That's about for those three and a half hours. Boonie

1047
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,800
Speaker 3: and I do not speak during those times now because

1048
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 3: the Eagles are in this game, so and I know

1049
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 3: he's he'll I don't know where he's going to be

1050
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,359
Speaker 3: watching it, but he puts his phone away. He doesn't

1051
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 3: even want to talk to anybody. But I'll be just

1052
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 3: with my youngest son, Kyle, and my dad. We're just

1053
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:25,439
Speaker 3: gonna sit and watch the game upstairs and we don't

1054
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 3: let anybody else in there.

1055
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 2: Phil can't thank you enough for joining us to talk

1056
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 2: about baseball, football, your son everything. Good luck with the

1057
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:37,879
Speaker 2: White Sox. I'll see you in spring training. This has

1058
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 2: been a blast.

1059
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: We could have kept you for two hours, but we

1060
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 1: got to get you out of here.

1061
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 3: I appreciate you guy. It's been an honor to be

1062
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 3: here with you guys. And I do have watched it

1063
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 3: several times, and I haven't seen the Boonie one. I

1064
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 3: got to go through and watch that one. But I

1065
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 3: really this is great what you guys are doing. And

1066
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 3: I'm happy for you too as well. And thanks for

1067
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 3: having me on.

1068
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: Thank you to Phil Nevin for the podcast. I have

1069
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 1: to say when he said he felt like he kicked

1070
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 1: his leg through the uprights on Christmas morning, Oh my gosh.

1071
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 2: So he was fifty years old, he hadn't kicked it

1072
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,240
Speaker 2: a long time. He went out and kicked a forty

1073
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 2: yard field goal, like tore up his hamstring and everything else.

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Speaker 2: That was just hilarious. But I also agree with him Jeff,

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Speaker 2: that if you try to kick an extra point in

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Speaker 2: a game, you would have zero chance. Look, I would

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Speaker 2: have zero chance, and I think the average person would

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Speaker 2: have very very very little chance of making an extra

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Speaker 2: point in an NFL game. Again, that the fear involved.

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Speaker 2: If there's a bad snap, you're gonna get killed. And

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Speaker 2: like Phil said, there is a timing mechanism involved. You

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Speaker 2: can't just run up and kick it. You gotta know

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Speaker 2: how to do this. And just walking off.

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Speaker 1: The street and kicking an extra point, I'm not confident

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Speaker 1: on any level that the average fan could do that,

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Speaker 1: not in an NFL game. It sounds like a kirkshon quandary.

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Speaker 1: Out of ten kicks NFL, and this is I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: this is the old extra point. Okay, this is not

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Speaker 1: the new backed up extra point, right, this is the

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Speaker 1: original extra point. Ten kicks with an offensive line and

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Speaker 1: a defensive line. How many would the average fan make?

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Speaker 1: You can chime in let us know in the comments

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Speaker 1: of the episode. We would love to know from you.

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Speaker 1: And obviously it's Super Bowl week, Dad, my prediction? Can

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Speaker 1: I give you my prediction of how it's going to

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Speaker 1: go down?

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Speaker 2: Well, Jeff, you know what I think about predictions.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I know, but that's old series.

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Speaker 2: Dad.

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Speaker 1: This is your sport, Jeff, this is the beauty of sports.

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Speaker 2: We have no idea what's going to happen, and that's

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Speaker 2: why I love it.

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Speaker 1: So Yes, I want to hear your prediction. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: say twenty eight to twenty four Eagles.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna say the Chiefs are going to win

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Speaker 2: thirty one to twenty eight. Patrick Mahomes is going to

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Speaker 2: be the MVP, Saquon Barkley is going to put on

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Speaker 2: a show, and the Chiefs are going to become the

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Speaker 2: first team ever to win back to back to back

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Speaker 2: Super Bowls. Jeff and I am so old. I used

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Speaker 2: to love the Kansas City Chiefs in the sixties. I

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Speaker 2: could name you right now, their entire offensive line, every

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Speaker 2: player on their defensive team. They were really fun to watch,

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Speaker 2: but not as fun as they are to watch right now.

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Speaker 1: Well you heard it here. Split decision between the two Kitchens.

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Speaker 1: Who will win it A big, big shout out again,

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Speaker 1: thank you Phil Nevin for joining us, and thank you

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Speaker 1: for watching on YouTube or listening wherever you listen to.

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Speaker 1: Is this a great game or what we're excited to

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Speaker 1: let you know that. You know, we're going every two

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Speaker 1: weeks for the offseason, but starting on March eighteenth, we

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Speaker 1: will be back to our weekly episodes as the regular

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Speaker 1: season begins to ramp up. Dad, It's always a joy.

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Speaker 1: Great to see your face.

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Speaker 2: Good to see you. Jeff and enjoy the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: I will and thank you for being a part of

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Speaker 1: our family.