1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:01,960 Speaker 1: It's time for another edition of The Giants Little Podcast, 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: brought to you by Citizens, the official bank at the Giants. 3 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: I am John Schmelk happy to be rejoined on the 4 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: program by front of the program, New York. 5 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 2: Legend Kenny Albert Kenny. What's going on? 6 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 3: Man? 7 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 2: How are you? 8 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 3: I'm great? John? How are you? 9 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 2: I'm doing great? Kenny? 10 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 1: Is the Call of Giants and the Commanders on Fox 11 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:19,479 Speaker 1: at one pm on Sunday. And Kenny, you had the 12 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: Giants a few weeks ago when they took on the Lions. 13 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 2: Here. Can you believe that we're in week fifteen already? 14 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: By the way, I mean, it's kind of bizarre that 15 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: we're kind of here already. 16 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 3: No, it really is hard to believe. 17 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 4: Every year the season seems to go quicker and quicker, 18 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 4: and I feel like our crew were just in Atlanta 19 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 4: for Week one against Tampa Bay, and since then we've 20 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 4: been to London, We've been to Madrid, so it's been 21 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 4: a bit of a whirlwind this season. 22 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 3: But here we are in week fifteen. 23 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. 24 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 1: Absolutely, And I know you have a lot going on 25 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: with your travel. I want to get into that because 26 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: I just think it's fun for all the new york'spot 27 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: fans out there to kind of see how you're managing 28 00:00:57,680 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: all this type of stuff. 29 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 2: But you had the Giants. 30 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: Against the Lions a few weeks ago, a little bit 31 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: of a different Giants team at that point, as you 32 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: a Jamis Winston as a starting quarterback, not Jackson Dart. 33 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,759 Speaker 1: But what was your general impression from talking to everybody 34 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: here heading into that Lions game and calling that Giants 35 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: Lions game a few weeks ago. 36 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 4: Well, that was game two under Mike Kafkas, so that 37 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 4: was our first opportunity to speak with him. It was 38 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 4: Jameis Winston at quarterback. Like you said, it was a 39 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 4: fun game. You know, the Giants obviously had the lead 40 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 4: in the fourth quarter and a couple of trick plays 41 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 4: right the touchdown pass to Jamis and the other trick 42 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 4: play earlier involving Olschewsky. So for us, it was a 43 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 4: fun game to call. We've actually worked three Lions home 44 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 4: games this year, four Lions games overall. They've actually won 45 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 4: all four, but that was the closest of the three 46 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 4: home games, a couple of blowouts earlier. So the crowd's 47 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 4: always great there. It's a fun atmosphere, So that was 48 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 4: certainly one of the more memorable games that our crew 49 00:01:57,560 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 4: has worked all season. 50 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: What was your impression talking to Kafka coming off that 51 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: first game and just kind of the vibes you got 52 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: from him in terms of how he was approaching the 53 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: head coaching position. 54 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 4: Right, you know, he was real positive heading into the game. 55 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 4: You know, I remember calling some of his games as 56 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 4: a player. I was doing the Eagles preseason back in 57 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 4: you know that two thousand and eight, nine, ten, eleven, 58 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:20,679 Speaker 4: twelve era, So I remember him coming in in the 59 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 4: second half in several of those preseason games. I remember 60 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 4: talking to Andy Reid about him. You know, obviously he 61 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 4: was a smart guy, having gone to Northwestern, very cerebral, 62 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 4: got into coaching pretty quickly after the playing career was over, 63 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 4: and you know you could tell when talking to him, 64 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 4: you know, coach Fitzgerald, Pat Fitzgerald at Northwestern saw something 65 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 4: in him pretty quickly and hired him as a graduate assistant. 66 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 4: And then it was on to the NFL with Andy 67 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 4: Reid and the rest is history. But you know, interesting 68 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 4: side note, I'm looking forward to asking Marcus Mariota what 69 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 4: he remembers about Mike Kafka from there short time together 70 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 4: with Tennessee back in the twenty fifteen season. 71 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 2: Wow, Yeah, you're right, I forgot about that. That's a 72 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 2: good point. 73 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: Are you excited to see Dart after getting the Jamis 74 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:10,959 Speaker 1: Wissey experiences? By the way, he's always entertaining and he 75 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: actually played really well in that game. 76 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 2: Are you excited to kind of get your first taste 77 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 2: of Jackson Dart? 78 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 3: I am. 79 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 4: You know, I've been following from Afar this year, haven't 80 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,239 Speaker 4: seen him play in person, but really looking forward to 81 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,519 Speaker 4: calling the game on Sunday with Jackson starting a quarterback, 82 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 4: looking forward to chatting with him. He's obviously been a 83 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 4: big story in New York this year. 84 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:29,959 Speaker 3: Yeah. 85 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 4: I've always been a big fan of Jamis Winston, called 86 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 4: so many of his games through the years with Tampa 87 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 4: Bay and then New Orleans. And he played really well 88 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 4: that day in Detroit, and I thought he did an 89 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 4: excellent job on the Fox pregame show. 90 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:45,119 Speaker 3: The other day. I was in a cell room in Arizona. 91 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:47,119 Speaker 4: Getting ready for the late game between the Rams and Cardinals, 92 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 4: and he was on the early show, the Fox NFL 93 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 4: kickoff show and then the Fox NFL Sunday shows, and 94 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 4: I know he did some work during Super Bowl week 95 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 4: as well with Fox. So I think, you know, if 96 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 4: he wants to move in that second career whenever is 97 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 4: playing career is done, he certainly has a head start. 98 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, and he certainly has the chrisma four. 99 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: When you guys talked to Darth this week, and you know, 100 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: you and Jonathan wille will get these guys on conference 101 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: calls heading into the game, what are some of the 102 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: things you want to talk to him about? And think 103 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: some of the big stories are with him heading into 104 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: the final four games of his rookie year. 105 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 3: You know, it's usually a combination. 106 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 4: When we talked to the players, a lot of it 107 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 4: is obviously about the game and the season, but we 108 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 4: also try to get some personal stories, you know, about 109 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 4: their upbringing, about who their favorite quarterbacks, who their favorite 110 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 4: players were growing up. 111 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 3: You know, so it's a bit of a combination. 112 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 4: We try to get some of those personal anecdotes out 113 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 4: on the air as well, because you don't want it 114 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 4: to be all about the x's and o's. 115 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 2: No, no, absolutely right, no question. 116 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 1: What was your feel from three weeks ago about how 117 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: this Giants team is kind of fighting through such a 118 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: rough year, the coaching change, I mean, you could tell 119 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 1: by how they played against the lines that they're still 120 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: into it. Obviously, their last game before the bu against 121 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: the Pats did not go quite as well, but do 122 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: you sense this team is still kind of locked in 123 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 1: and ready to go and playing hard going into their 124 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: final four? 125 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 3: That Detroit game, they certainly were. 126 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 4: I think a lot of people thought it was going 127 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 4: to be a blowout, you know, just based on the 128 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 4: trajectory of both teams this season. But I was impressed. 129 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 4: You know, the defense played hard. We saw what the 130 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 4: offense was able to do with the trick plays. They 131 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 4: kind of caught the Lions off guard. They gave them 132 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 4: a taste of their own medicine. It's usually Detroit, you know, 133 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 4: especially during the Ben Johnson or as offensive coordinator, but 134 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 4: even this year we've seen some of those trick plays 135 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 4: from the Lions. But they gave them a taste of 136 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 4: their own medicine in that game. And certainly that game, 137 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 4: it certainly looked like they were playing hard on on 138 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 4: you know, in all three phases. The New England game 139 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 4: obviously went in the other direction, and now they've had 140 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 4: to buy, you know, a little bit of a stretch 141 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 4: to get away for many of the players and take 142 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 4: their minds off it. It's been a tough season, obviously, 143 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 4: but you know, these divisional matchups. I've worked so many 144 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 4: Giants Washington games through the years, and you could throw 145 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 4: out the records, it really doesn't matter. It's a divisional game, 146 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 4: NFC East December weather. So they're always a lot. 147 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 1: Of fun you partner with with Jonathan Viillma on these games. 148 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 1: Curious we saw at the end of that Lions game 149 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 1: that Jimior Gibbs had those two big runs that really, 150 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: you know, tilted the games towards the Lions, helped them 151 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: win the game. The Giants rush defense all year, Kenny 152 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 1: has just been bad. It has not been good. So 153 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: what does Vilma's take on kind of why the rush 154 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: defense and the defense overall has struggled and and just 155 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 1: what are some of the things they need to do 156 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 1: to kind of improve that. 157 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 4: Well, you know, when I'm trying to think back to 158 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 4: that game, I know he pointed out that Dexter Lawrence 159 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 4: was on the sideline prior to that play, So Vilma 160 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 4: picked up on that right away. You know, not to 161 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 4: put words in his mouth, but I know in our 162 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 4: conversations about the team. It's obviously been a down year 163 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 4: for some of the players compared to what we've seen 164 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 4: in the past. Obviously a huge bright spot is Brian 165 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 4: Burns and what he's done this year. There have been 166 00:06:56,000 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 4: some injuries as well, so you know, again, talked a 167 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 4: little bit to Vilma this week. We had a crew 168 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 4: zoom call yesterday, and we'll talk more over the next 169 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 4: couple of days and get a better idea for what 170 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 4: he's thinking. But I know he did pick up on 171 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 4: the fact. Like I said that, you know, whether it 172 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 4: was injury or later or not. Dexter wasn't on the 173 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 4: field for that play, and Gibbs, you know, obviously did 174 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 4: what he did. 175 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, and Gibbs as that do a lot of teams too, 176 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: by the way, one of the best running backs in 177 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: the league. 178 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 2: How many times have you seen the Commanders this year? 179 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 3: I saw them twice. 180 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 4: We had them in Madrid against Miami and then we 181 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 4: had them the next week against Detroit. The first game 182 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 4: went to overtime. The game in Madrid, both teams had 183 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 4: chances to kick field goals to put them ahead in 184 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 4: the final minutes and both went forward on fourth down, 185 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 4: so wound up going into overtime, and then the Commanders 186 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 4: had an unfortunate turnover right at the start of overtime 187 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 4: and Miami had a short field. And then the game 188 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 4: against Detroit the next week, Lions, you know, did what 189 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 4: we used to see them doing so but it was 190 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 4: a close game for a while, so we saw them 191 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 4: in the two games back to back. 192 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 2: Hoddle up, get in here. 193 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 4: If you're lined up here, you gotta go over the 194 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 4: middle with at the score great. How do we make 195 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 4: that happen? 196 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 2: I don't know, but Tennyson does. 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But the 206 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: offense with Mariota has really still been effective. They've done 207 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: a really nice job moving and scoring the ball. And 208 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: it's almost been a bit of a resurgence for Mariota's 209 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: career after it kind of did not work out for 210 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: him in Atlanta. 211 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 4: He's had some nice games this season, and I remember 212 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 4: in talking to the opponents prior to the games, again 213 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 4: it's Miami and Detroit. Although they acknowledged, you know, how 214 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 4: great Jadan Daniels played last season, tremendous rookie year, they 215 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 4: felt that, you know, there wasn't that much of a 216 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 4: drop off as far as what they had to concentrate 217 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 4: on defensively going from Daniels to Mariota. He's a veteran, 218 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 4: he's smart, he's been around the league. So those teams 219 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 4: certainly weren't taking Mariota lightly. You know, came in as 220 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 4: a Heisman Trophy winner, top pick, and like you said, 221 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 4: moved on to Atlanta and things didn't work out. You know, 222 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 4: that great for him there as far as getting a 223 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 4: lot of playing time, and here he is sort of 224 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 4: taking advantage of the second opportunity in Washington. Has started 225 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 4: a number of games this year and he's one of 226 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 4: three Heisman Trophy winners. You know, the Heisman Awards show 227 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 4: this week and there are three of them on these rosters. 228 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 3: We have Jamis and. 229 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 4: Mariota and obviously Daniels won't be in uniform, but you 230 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 4: have three Heisman Trophy winners on the rosters of these 231 00:09:58,840 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 4: two teams on Sunday. 232 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's pretty good. And much like the Giants, the 233 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:06,079 Speaker 1: command this big issue. Kenny's been on defense with Dan 234 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: Quinn as their head coach. They you know, had a 235 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: lot of takeaways last year that hasn't quite come together 236 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,319 Speaker 1: this season and it's just been a real struggle for 237 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: them defensively. 238 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 2: They can't seem to figure things out. 239 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, it has been you know, injuries have certainly played 240 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 4: a part as well, but you can say that about 241 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 4: every team. But remember this is a team that played 242 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 4: in the NFC Championship Game last year. They beat Detroit 243 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 4: in the Divisional round and go to the championship game. 244 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 4: And you know, obviously the Daniels injury has been a 245 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 4: huge part of it this season. 246 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 3: He was on such a role last year. 247 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 4: But you're right, they haven't been able to take the 248 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 4: ball away on the defensive side. Somewhat similar to the Giants, 249 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:45,959 Speaker 4: some of their key players haven't put up the performances, 250 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 4: you know, as they did last year, and you know, 251 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 4: it's come crumbling down a bit this year in Washington, 252 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 4: but the Daniels injury is certainly a major factor. They 253 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 4: are also without Terry McLaurin for a number of games now, 254 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 4: they've lost Zach Ertz, so it's been a you know, 255 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:05,959 Speaker 4: bit of a rough year in Washington, especially compared to 256 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 4: last season. 257 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: Quinn does a good job of being enthusiastic and keeping 258 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: things positive. Do you still think overall the vibes down 259 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: there are positive in terms of the long term future outlook. 260 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 4: And it's a Jersey guy. He grew up in Morristown. 261 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,079 Speaker 4: He coached at Hostras, so he has a lot of 262 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 4: local ties. Yeah, he's such a positive guy. And I 263 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 4: think if you get a healthy Jaden Daniels back next season, 264 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 4: it's a whole different story. You know, he was the 265 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 4: main reason, along with the defense, that they went so 266 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 4: far in the playoffs last year. You know, first playoff 267 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 4: win in close to two decades and you know, first 268 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 4: trip to a championship game since the nineteen nineties. 269 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 3: So if Daniels can bounce back, He's had. 270 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 4: The elbow injuries as we saw a couple of weeks ago, 271 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 4: and then the relapse this week, so yeah, I think 272 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 4: they could certainly bounce back with a healthy Jade Daniels. 273 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: I know you get more crossover games now with the AFC, 274 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 1: but I'll stick with the NFC because that's where most 275 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: of your games come from. Obviously working for Fox. Do 276 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: you think the Rams right now are the team to 277 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: beat in the NFC? 278 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 2: Based on what you've. 279 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 4: Seen, They're certainly up there. I would say in the 280 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 4: top three. We've had them a number of times. We 281 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 4: had them last week against Arizona. Matthew Stafford's playing at 282 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 4: an MVP type level. I think Stafford and Drake may 283 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 4: are probably the top two candidates at this point. 284 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:29,079 Speaker 3: When you look at what. 285 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 4: Puka Nakua, DeVante Adams, the running backs, Karen Williams, Blake 286 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 4: Korum had a career game last week. So the offensive 287 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 4: line is playing great. I think they've allowed the third 288 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,199 Speaker 4: few of sacks. It was seventeen going into the game 289 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 4: last week, so the offense has been terrific. And then defensively, 290 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:47,319 Speaker 4: when you look at some of the young players they 291 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 4: have there with Byron Young and Jared Verse and Braden 292 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 4: Fisk and right on down the line, Chris Shule is 293 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 4: an up and coming coach. He's been the coordinator for 294 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:00,319 Speaker 4: a couple of years. He's the grandson of the Hall 295 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 4: of Famer Don Shula, and he and Sean McVay go 296 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 4: back to college together. And Sean McVay actually used to 297 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 4: go with him during spring break to Don Shula's house 298 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:13,079 Speaker 4: in Florida, and Sean McVay would pick Don Shula's brain, 299 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 4: you know, during his collegiate days because he was with 300 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 4: Chris Shula. They became good friends. He's in his second 301 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 4: season as a coordinator. So the Rams are certainly on 302 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 4: a roll, but you know, you look at that division. 303 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 4: Seattle also has ten wins. The Rams have ten wins. 304 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 4: San Francisco has nine wins, so they're not even guaranteed 305 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 4: of winning a division at this point. But and then 306 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 4: they have a couple of division games down the stretch. 307 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 4: But they've been really impressive in the games that we've 308 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 4: done involving the Rams. 309 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, and the Rams still have a game against Seattle. 310 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: They beat him in that matchup early when they really 311 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: kind of threw Sam donal for a bit of a loop. 312 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:48,719 Speaker 1: But the Rams still have to face the Lions. They 313 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: have the Cardinals again. So, yeah, they have some tough 314 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:52,599 Speaker 1: games coming up. We'll see what happens. Who do you 315 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: think their biggest competition is You mentioned the other teams 316 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: in the West. Out of the teams in the North 317 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: and the East, what other teams do you think could 318 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: could make the biggest run here in the NA You. 319 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 4: Know, you look at the North with that's a huge 320 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 4: game the Lions and Rams this weekend, because the Lions 321 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 4: certainly aren't guaranteed a playoff spot. If they can win 322 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 4: the game this week, you know, that would be huge 323 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 4: for Detroit. 324 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: Which is crazy, by the way, because I think they 325 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: are one of the best teams in the conference. 326 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, I agree, but they've lost a couple 327 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 4: that they wouldn't have lost last year. You know, you 328 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 4: look at what Green Bay's doing. That tie could really 329 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 4: come into play with the final standings when the regular 330 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 4: season comes to an end, and Chicago, you know, probably 331 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 4: the surprise team in the NFC under Ben Johnson. So 332 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 4: you have three potential playoff teams in the North, three 333 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 4: potential playoff teams in the West. You'll probably only have 334 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 4: one get in from the South, and you have to 335 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 4: put Carol line up there with Chicago. I'm on the 336 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 4: surprise teams for sure. But you know, like I said, 337 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 4: I've seen four Detroit games. They've won all of them, 338 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 4: so we've probably seen them more than any other NFC team. 339 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 4: We had Chicago once. They were blown out by Detroit 340 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 4: week two in the game that we had. We had 341 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 4: the Packers once out in Arizona. Haven't seen Seattle or 342 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 4: San fran in person, so it'll be a great race 343 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 4: down to stretch in all the divisions. You know, you 344 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 4: have Dallas still with a chance, Philly coming off the loss, 345 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 4: so it should be some great races over the last 346 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 4: four weeks. 347 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 2: Have you done any Philly games yet this year? 348 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 3: Not this year. We haven't done Philly this year. 349 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 2: So it's on the outside looking in. 350 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: But this feels an awful lot like twenty twenty three, 351 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: right with the way this is kind of going. Where 352 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: they started so hot, they were winning a bunch of 353 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: close games. I just I think the last four games 354 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: were Philly will be very very interesting because I could 355 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: see it swinging wildly in either direction. 356 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right, it does feel a lot like the 357 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 4: twenty three season. And you know, at one point it 358 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 4: looked like Dallas was dead and now they've come up 359 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 4: with a couple of big wins. So you know it'll 360 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 4: be fascinating to watch the NFC East down to stretch 361 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 4: as well. You have teams looking to play spoiler all 362 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 4: around the conference and all around the league. So you know, 363 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 4: this is such a real, such a fun time heading 364 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 4: into week fifteen. 365 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 2: And then it's crazy in the AFC. 366 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: Kenny, I know you don't do a ton of the games, 367 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: but you looked all the teams heading into the year. 368 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: You talk about Justin Herbert and the Chargers, all there's 369 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: super quarterbacks Burrow and the Bengals, Lamar Jackson and the Ravens, 370 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: Mahomes and the Chiefs. 371 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 2: A lot of those teams aren't even gonna make the playoffs. 372 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: Justin Herbert's running for his life with his two offensive 373 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: tackles hurt. Josh Allen's the only one that has his 374 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: team securely in right now. It's just been such a 375 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: topsy turvy AFC this year, with teams that no one 376 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: expected sit in the top their divisions. 377 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 3: No, it really has been. 378 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 4: I think going into the season when you look at 379 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 4: you looked at the AFC Buffalo, Baltimore, Cincinnati, like you 380 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 4: said Chiefs, And the Chiefs were probably the top four 381 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 4: in a lot of people's minds, and you know, three 382 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 4: of them probably underperforming, but you know, that's why they 383 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 4: play the games. It's the best reality TV. And we'll 384 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 4: see how it plays out down the stretch. We threw 385 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 4: out a note in our RAMS game the other day, 386 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 4: and I'm not sure if it changed last week. 387 00:16:57,400 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 3: I'd have to go check the numbers. I haven't looked yet, 388 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 3: but I said. 389 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 4: To Jonathan Villema on the air, if I told you 390 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:09,439 Speaker 4: that the three highest yardage games from a quarterback this 391 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 4: season up until week thirteen, So heading into week fourteen, 392 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,400 Speaker 4: the three quarterbacks with the biggest games as far as 393 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 4: passing yards were Joe Flacco won, Jacoby Brissett too, Russell 394 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 4: Wilson three. 395 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 3: What would you have said? And that's a fact. 396 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 4: It was those three quarterbacks, Flaco, Brissett, Wilson had the 397 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 4: three highest yardage games heading into week fourteen. So you 398 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:33,439 Speaker 4: just never know. 399 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:37,640 Speaker 1: And that's why the NFL is the best sport going 400 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 1: out there. All right, let's bring it back to this 401 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: game very quickly. Kenny, how do you think this game 402 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 1: is going to go? What's your feel? Do you think 403 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: we could be in for a shootout here. We might 404 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: get a little snow on Sunday too, which which which 405 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 1: might give a little atmosphere. 406 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 2: I feel like this could be a bit of an 407 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 2: up and down game. 408 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 4: It sounds like there could be a little weather, cold, 409 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 4: maybe a little snow. Was it two years ago we 410 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 4: were working the game, the tie game Giants and Commitsions, right. 411 00:17:58,960 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, two weesons ago? 412 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 4: Well, so you know who knows our crews had a 413 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:06,360 Speaker 4: bunch of overtime games this year. But I could see 414 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 4: it being a high scoring game, you know, with the 415 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 4: way both defenses have been this year, and you know, 416 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 4: I would assume if it's a if it's a weather game, 417 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 4: you know, we'll see a lot of you know, both 418 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 4: teams running the ball. But yeah, I could see it, 419 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 4: and I'm usually wrong with my predictions, So who knows 420 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 4: the game here? Yeah, I could see it being somewhere 421 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 4: in the high twenties, low thirties, you know, as far 422 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 4: as the final score. 423 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 2: If you want to know how to manage two minutes 424 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:32,120 Speaker 2: of crunch time football, I'm your man. 425 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: But if you're wondering about a long term financial plan, 426 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 1: you should talk to citizens. 427 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 2: Hey, I can also talk long care. 428 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:39,479 Speaker 1: I'd like to learn about an mowing routine. 429 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,479 Speaker 2: Yes, I knew I could help make sense of your 430 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 2: money with citizens. Yeah, I'm with you all right. And 431 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 2: now Giants long term here, Kenny, this isn't your purview. 432 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:48,199 Speaker 2: I get it. 433 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: But as someone that's around the York, you talk to 434 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 1: Giant fans, they have a feel for what's going on. Well, 435 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 1: what do you think just some of the priority is 436 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: going to be when they kind of do their head 437 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 1: coaching search in the offseason, when they think about the 438 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: type of candidates that they're going to canter and guys 439 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 1: that could be the best fit for kind of taking 440 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 1: over and finally trying to get this franchise back on 441 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 1: the right path, right. 442 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 4: And I know we've all seen a lot of the 443 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 4: names that have been thrown out there, and you know, 444 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,399 Speaker 4: certainly living in the area and following the league as 445 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 4: closely as I do, I'm certainly well aware of the 446 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 4: cycle at the head coaching position that's gone on with 447 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:24,479 Speaker 4: the Giants franchise over the last decade. But you know, 448 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 4: depending on how they perform over the last four weeks, 449 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,199 Speaker 4: does Mike Kafka have a shot? He's you know, a 450 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 4: great offensive mind. You look at the success he's had, 451 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 4: you know, especially in Kansas City working with Andy Reid 452 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:39,879 Speaker 4: and Patrick Mahomes. And does he get the opportunity to 453 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 4: work with Jackson Dart moving forward, We'll see. 454 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 3: You know. 455 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 4: I know Chris Shula, who I mentioned a few minutes ago, 456 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 4: his name's been out there in the in the newspapers, 457 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 4: you know, online over the last couple of days. I'm 458 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 4: really impressed with what he's done in Los Angeles, and 459 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:58,120 Speaker 4: he comes from that Sean McVay tree, which has had 460 00:19:58,160 --> 00:19:59,919 Speaker 4: great success. You look at all the coaches that have 461 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 4: worked under McVeigh, and you know before that, under Mike Shanahan, 462 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 4: with Kyle Shanahan, they were all together in Washington, uh, 463 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 4: you know, with the with the Commanders, uh, the Redskins 464 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 4: at the time. You know, Mike Shanahan was the head coach, 465 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,439 Speaker 4: and then you had you had Kyle Shanahan, you had 466 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 4: Sean McVay, you had Matt Lafleur, you had Kevin O'Connell. 467 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 4: You know, all those guys were on that Washington staff. 468 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 4: So it's a pretty good track record. So when I 469 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 4: read Chris Shule's name the other day, you know, I 470 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 4: said to myself, boy that that could certainly be an 471 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,719 Speaker 4: intriguing possibility as well. But you know, I'm sure there 472 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 4: are a number of other names on their list, and again, 473 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 4: we'll see how it plays out over the next four weeks. 474 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 4: If they win two or three of these games and 475 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 4: Dart has great success, uh, then I'm sure Mike caf 476 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 4: will be, you know, right at the top of the 477 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 4: list as well. So uh, you know that's for people 478 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 4: a lot higher up than you and I and the 479 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 4: food chain, John, But we'll see how it all plays out. 480 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Mike McDaniel to another coach that was 481 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,160 Speaker 1: on that staff in Washington to have remember correctly. 482 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 4: Right he was at one point, and he and Dan 483 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 4: Quinn also worked together in Miami, so you have all 484 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,120 Speaker 4: kinds of these. When we did that Washington Miami game, 485 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 4: we talked about their history together. So it's always fun 486 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 4: looking back at you know, who worked where with whom. 487 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 4: Dan Quinn, you know, speaking of the Commanders this week, 488 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 4: he and Raheem Morris were together at Hostra when Raheem 489 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 4: was a player and was a coach in that staff 490 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 4: and the Jets were practicing there still, you know, at 491 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 4: Hostra at the time, and Herm Edwards was coaching the Jets, 492 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 4: and there was a lot of crossover with the Jets 493 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 4: at Hostra and they gave Raheem Morris an internship with 494 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 4: the Jets in two thousand and one and he was 495 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 4: in the dB room and Aaron Glenn was one of 496 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,640 Speaker 4: the players at the time. So when we did the 497 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 4: the so many coaches that moving around to take to 498 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,120 Speaker 4: keep trap. But when we did the Jets Atlanta game 499 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 4: a couple of weeks ago, we talked about it with 500 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 4: Raheem and Aaron Glenn, the fact that they were together, 501 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,199 Speaker 4: one is an intern, one as a player. And then 502 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 4: Herm Edwards winds up recommending Raheem Morris to Tampa and 503 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:05,399 Speaker 4: he goes down there and wins the Super Bowl as 504 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 4: a quality control coach in his first year with the Buccaneers. 505 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 4: But for Raheem Morris and Dan quinn are all started 506 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 4: at Hostra back in the early two thousands, and. 507 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: Then Raheem would overlap with McVeigh, going back to what 508 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,959 Speaker 1: you're talking about before, So all these coaching things are 509 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 1: all interacting. 510 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 3: Raheem for McVeigh with the Rams and they won a 511 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 3: Super Bowl together. 512 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 1: Absolutely right all right, So Kenny, obviously, besides the stuff 513 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: you for Fox, you're doing the Rangers on TV for MSG. 514 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: You got some T and T stuff going on. Give 515 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 1: fans an idea of what which is now the busiest 516 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 1: time of year for you, tod of November December is 517 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 1: like for you and even October, trying to balance your 518 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 1: two sports and kind of what your travel looks like 519 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: each week, because I always find this stuff fascinating. 520 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 4: Well, right now, as we speak on Thursday, I'm actually 521 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 4: home for a week, believe it or not, because of 522 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,880 Speaker 4: the Giant's assignment on Sunday and the Rangers are off today, 523 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 4: they're off tomorrow, they play at home Saturday, Monday and Tuesday. 524 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 4: So actually home for a week, which is very unusual 525 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 4: this time of the year. I'll take you back about 526 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,880 Speaker 4: a month ago, three weeks to four three to four 527 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,959 Speaker 4: weeks ago. Woke up in Madrid on a Monday morning, 528 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 4: following that Commander's Dolphins game. Flew to Vegas via Chicago, 529 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 4: so it was a one hour flight from Madrid to 530 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 4: Chicago and then four hours to Vegas. Had a Rangers 531 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 4: game in Vegas on Tuesday, took a red eye to Washington, 532 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 4: d c for a TNT NHL telecast, went back to 533 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 4: Denver for a Rangers game on Thursday, and then went 534 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 4: to Detroit on Friday to start the prep for the 535 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 4: Allions Giants game that weekend. So that week was very unusual. 536 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 4: It's not that's sort of an aperation. But woke up 537 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:50,360 Speaker 4: in Madrid on Monday, Vegas that night and Tuesday, and 538 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,439 Speaker 4: then Washington, Denver, Detroit. So that was a five day 539 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 4: stretch in November. 540 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:56,199 Speaker 2: And those are I'm trying to can them. 541 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: I head four or five different time zones, that's pretty good. 542 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 1: Was Yeah, you got Pacific, Central, Madrid, New York. Right, 543 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: you got four different times though, I had. 544 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 4: Every time zone in the US, right because Central time 545 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:14,719 Speaker 4: zone Chicago on the layover Denver is in the Mountain 546 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 4: time zone that's right zone. So yeah, I had every 547 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 4: times on that week plus Madrid. So that was you know, 548 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 4: usually it's not as crazy as that, but between football, 549 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 4: the Rangers and TNT, it is a jigsaw puzzle of 550 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 4: the schedule at this time of year. 551 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: Now you're doing TV now for the Rangers, do you 552 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 1: miss the differences between TV and radio, Because obviously for 553 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: people that don't know the call of a game on 554 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: TV and radio is so different. On radio you really 555 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: have to tell people what's happening. On TV, they're seeing 556 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: what's happening. In you're providing a little bit more insight 557 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: into what's happening. So do you miss some of the 558 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: differences between the radio call and the TV call. 559 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a great question because there are differences, and 560 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 4: on radio you are describing everything that goes on. You're 561 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 4: giving the score and time a lot more often because 562 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 4: on TV the viewers can see it, they can see 563 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 4: what's happening. I was so fortunate to work twenty nine 564 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,199 Speaker 4: years on the radio side with the Rangers and so 565 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,360 Speaker 4: excited to switch over to the TV side this year 566 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,639 Speaker 4: as well after Sam Rosen retired the Great Hall of Famer, 567 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 4: and I got to bring my partner with me because 568 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,199 Speaker 4: Joe Micletty retired as well, so Dave Maloney and I 569 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 4: we thought we were done as far as working together 570 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 4: after twenty years on the radio, and then Joe retired 571 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,360 Speaker 4: after the season and Dave's on the TV side as well, 572 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,160 Speaker 4: doing a great job along with Brian Boyle. So yeah, 573 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 4: there are probably certain elements of radio you miss because 574 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 4: it really brings you back to the fundamentals of starting 575 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 4: out for me calling minor league hockey games back in 576 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 4: the early nineties in Baltimore, but TV has been a 577 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,919 Speaker 4: lot of fun as well. And looking forward to the 578 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 4: stretch coming up of the three home games for the 579 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 4: Rangers in four days with a Giants commander's game right 580 00:25:59,119 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 4: smack in the middle. 581 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,640 Speaker 1: I've never called hockey before. I've done the other sports. 582 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 1: What are the mechanical differences for you? Maybe the different 583 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: challenges between play by play hockey versus play by play football. 584 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 4: People ask me all the time, and I've been lucky 585 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 4: enough to be heavily involved in all four right, football, hockey, 586 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 4: and then basketball and baseball as well. To me, hockey 587 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 4: is the easiest because you're just calling the game, the 588 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 4: pucks in action for sixty minutes. Yes, you're talking less 589 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,160 Speaker 4: on TV than radio, but you're calling the play. Similar 590 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 4: to basketball, which is slower. There are more whistles, but 591 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 4: it's forty eight minutes of continuous action. Football is the 592 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 4: most rhythmic. It's one play and then it's twenty or 593 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,199 Speaker 4: twenty five seconds. So you set up the play, you 594 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 4: call the play, your color analyst comes in, and then 595 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 4: you recap the play. Baseball, to me, was always the 596 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 4: most challenging. I usually did and still do, about anywhere 597 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 4: between eight and twelve games a year. Back in the day, 598 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 4: it might have been a little more with Fox, but 599 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 4: because of the downtime, you know, between the pitches, between 600 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 4: the batters, which has gotten a lot better with the 601 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 4: implementation of the pitch clock. I think that's really helped 602 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,919 Speaker 4: out broadcasters because there is not as much downtime. But 603 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 4: for me just coming in once in a while doing baseball, 604 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 4: that was always the most challenging. I've also had the 605 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,439 Speaker 4: opportunity to work some other sports, some boxing through the years, 606 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 4: which is a lot different. There's no ball, there's no puck, 607 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 4: and what I learned is you want to use a 608 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 4: lot of your best information early on because it could 609 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 4: end there'll be a first or second round, so you 610 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 4: don't want to leave your great nuggets on the cutting 611 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:34,159 Speaker 4: room floor. I've also worked some volleyball and water polo 612 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 4: and track and field at the Olympics, so those were challenging, 613 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,119 Speaker 4: but they were a lot of fun to learn a 614 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 4: new sport, learn about the rules, the history, the strategy. 615 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 4: But of the four major sports, hockey to me is 616 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 4: almost like riding a bike. I've done it for thirty 617 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 4: five years now, and you're basically calling the play and 618 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 4: then working in some anecdotes and stats and obviously leading 619 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 4: your color analysts into things. But football is definitely the 620 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 4: most rhythmic. It's the one play twenty or twenty five seconds, 621 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 4: another play twenty or twenty five seconds, and you know, 622 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 4: obviously there are replays and graphics and other elements involved. 623 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 4: And we have a tremendous crew with our producer Fran Marrison, 624 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 4: director Matt Gangle, Jonathan Willem, and Megan o'levy's our Sadeline 625 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,159 Speaker 4: reporter who lives in Vegas now, but she grew up 626 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 4: in eastern Pennsylvania went to Seaton Halls. So it's a 627 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 4: for Megan this week as well. 628 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,880 Speaker 1: Very good and I know you've done TV, so it's 629 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,199 Speaker 1: not like he was like telling you how to do 630 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: the job. But we all know what a good dude 631 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 1: Sam Rosen is, and not just like one of the 632 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 1: best guys in the industry, like one of the best 633 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 1: guys on the planet, Like Sam Rosen's just terrific. What 634 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: was it like kind of getting that torch from him 635 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 1: and then taking over the legacy that he kind of 636 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 1: built as the Rangers play by play guy on TV. 637 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 4: No, you're right, Sam's one of the best people who'll 638 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 4: ever meet. Hall of Fame broadcaster still involved. The Rangers 639 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 4: have these centennial nights this season for their one hundredth anniversaries, 640 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 4: so he'll be there this Saturday m seeing the ONI ceremonies. 641 00:28:59,560 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 2: Good. 642 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 4: But we've all been part of the group, you know. 643 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 4: I was sitting next to Sam on the plane for 644 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 4: twenty nine years. We were all together. It started as 645 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 4: sal Massinoo was my partner, and then you had Sam 646 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 4: and John Davidson on the TV side, and then on radio, 647 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 4: I had Brian Mullen for a couple of years, Dave 648 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 4: Maloney for the last twenty. Joe Micletty replaced JD on 649 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 4: TV in two thousand and six. So we're all a family, 650 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 4: all part of the same traveling party. Countless flights meals together. So, 651 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 4: you know, sliding over into the TV booth, not much changed, 652 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 4: you know, as far as the schedule, the travel or 653 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 4: the prep. Because I was with the Rangers for twenty 654 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 4: nine years, it's just a little bit different. Like you 655 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 4: described doing it on the TV side, instead of the 656 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:43,959 Speaker 4: radio side. 657 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 2: Kenny, this is awesome. It's always when they catch up 658 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 2: with you. Man. 659 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: Enjoy the rest of the year, Have good luck and 660 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 1: save travels all your hockey stuff, and we'll see on 661 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: Sunday afternoon. 662 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 2: Don really appreciate it. 663 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 4: Always enjoy listening and watching your work. And guess what, 664 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,040 Speaker 4: we'll see you again next week for the. 665 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 2: Oh you got us two weeks in a row. I 666 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 2: didn't know that. That's awesome. 667 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 1: Wow, so you don't have to travel two weeks in 668 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 1: a row for Fox Man. I imagine the phone call 669 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 1: you with the placers. How to get that happen? That's 670 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: pretty good. 671 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 4: Well, you know, sometimes, like you said, sometimes the weeks 672 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 4: are crazy and once in a while you got to 673 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 4: stay home. So uh, at least on the football side 674 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 4: for the next two weeks, I'll be close to home. 675 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 2: Oh that's awesome, Kenny. Thanks for the time, man, I 676 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 2: appreciate it. 677 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 3: Thanks Jean. 678 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 1: That's the Giants Total Podcast, brought to you by Citizens 679 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: Official Bank of the Giants. 680 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 2: We'll see you next time. Everybody