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Speaker 1: Oh, good morning, folks, and welcome to Woke a f

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Speaker 1: Daily with me your girl, Danielle Moody here live from

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Speaker 1: my bunker. If I sound a little bit down, it's

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Speaker 1: because I am. Last night, I was watching the news

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Speaker 1: graphic that really struck to my core. The graphic read

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Speaker 1: COVID nineteen, has disproportionately affected African Americans, and it lists

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Speaker 1: read you a few Washington, DC, African Americans make up

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Speaker 1: seventy five percent of the deaths. New York nine percent

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Speaker 1: the deaths. Louisiana African Americans make up thirty three percent

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Speaker 1: Last night, I tweeted and I asked this question, and

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Speaker 1: it's the one that I really want everyone who is

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Speaker 1: about if these numbers reflected how the coronavirus was ravaging

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Speaker 1: reopen you think there would be protests about stay at

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Speaker 1: that black lives do not matter. I read those statistics

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Speaker 1: so unsettling, depressing, startling, just how little white people care

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Speaker 1: about black people's lives and how much they do not matter.

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Speaker 1: Black folks will care for your loved ones in the

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Speaker 1: the front lines at the grocery stores, janitors cleaning up

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Speaker 1: we're invisible and the only way that you know that

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Speaker 1: And I realize that I really am starting to believe

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Speaker 1: it's ever going to get any better. You know, if

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Speaker 1: this moment. You know, if you are a person that

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Speaker 1: maybe this the way that humans are treating one another

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Speaker 1: there is no God. When I think about what this

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Speaker 1: virus is making us all, see, it isn't just the disparities, right,

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Speaker 1: It isn't just the fact that American American exceptionalism is bullshit,

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Speaker 1: regular flu that was killing kids. I don't know what

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Speaker 1: But you need to follow the money, and you need

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Speaker 1: to follow the racism, and you need to realize who

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Speaker 1: even fucking flinching. It's disgusting, it's despicable, and it should

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Speaker 1: sacrifice in order to do it? So say it fucking loud,

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Speaker 1: That is the legacy of the Trump administration, and you

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Speaker 1: Trump didn't make up racism, He just exploited it. I

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Speaker 1: our Wednesday contributor, author Jonathan Metzel of Dying of Whiteness

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Speaker 1: time for that. The stakes are incredibly, incredibly high. I

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Speaker 1: think it has to be a top down, here's the

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Speaker 1: coherent message kind of thing. But I do think that

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Speaker 1: initially I thought that the governor of Cuomo was modeling

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Speaker 1: what the Democrats were then going to start doing as

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Speaker 1: a party, And for me it's you know, I mean,

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Speaker 1: hopefully there's a plan, but I personally have not seen

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Speaker 1: the at And again, if he just opened the paper

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Speaker 1: any day, every single headline is Trump. And so there

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Speaker 1: has to be a better strategy for you know, as

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Speaker 1: you're saying, doing the Chromo strategy, or nationalizing tech, nationalize

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Speaker 1: the Quomo press conferences, something like that. I just, you know,

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Speaker 1: I am very worried. I'm very worried that Democrats are

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Speaker 1: kind of resting on their laurels and think that, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: we'll just let this play out, We'll let this prank,

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Speaker 1: this plane nose dive, right, and then people will wake

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Speaker 1: up and be like, oh, I'm in I'm in this mess.

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Speaker 1: I'm in this situation because of an imbecile in the

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Speaker 1: White House, because of his lack of globalization, his lack

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Speaker 1: of understanding, his basic inability to understand facts and science.

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Speaker 1: And that's why I'm here. But to you know, the

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Speaker 1: point that we made before we even started the interview

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Speaker 1: is that that's not what the poll numbers are saying, right,

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Speaker 1: And so if you have this rabid of the population

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Speaker 1: that will literally follow Donald Trump off of a cliff,

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Speaker 1: and you don't have a counter narrative to this idea

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Speaker 1: that opening up the economy is more important than saving lives,

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Speaker 1: that the quote unquote pro life party has become the

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Speaker 1: death party and willing to sacrifice whomever and whatever in

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Speaker 1: order to make a buck. Literally, if you're not doing that,

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Speaker 1: then where do we see ourselves in November? I wish

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Speaker 1: I could talk to more political consultants, honestly, because you

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Speaker 1: you know, you and I have real conversations. But I've

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Speaker 1: been asking a number of media conversations what people ask me,

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Speaker 1: like what death number would it take for Republicans to

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Speaker 1: start turning on Trump, because you know, we're gonna ask

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Speaker 1: some we have and you know, we're number one in

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Speaker 1: terms of death from coronas and that number is just

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Speaker 1: going to go up as these states and you know,

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Speaker 1: ridiculously reopened with no plan. And I keep telling them

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Speaker 1: that there is no such number. But that's a liberal

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Speaker 1: fantasy to think that people are going to change their mind.

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Speaker 1: In fact, the more the more desperate people become because

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Speaker 1: of Truma's policies, the more they're going to follow Trump

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Speaker 1: if there's no alternative narrative. And so in a way,

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Speaker 1: it's not like just letting these death numbers speak for themselves.

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Speaker 1: It's going to work. It's going to make people more

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Speaker 1: ideological and more racists, more more more willing to follow

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Speaker 1: him because they don't. You know, it's hard to see

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Speaker 1: that he's created the conditions of despair, which then he

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Speaker 1: derives from. That's his whole playbook. In my book Ging

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Speaker 1: of Whiteness, I showed a precursor to that that basically

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Speaker 1: people were dying from not having the Affordable Care Act

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Speaker 1: and made them more against the Affordable Care Act because

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Speaker 1: of the racial script that the GOP put over it

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Speaker 1: at about Obama and Obamacare, and I think we're seeing

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Speaker 1: that again and again. Now it's not like people it's

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Speaker 1: just going to wake up. And I think the Democrats

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Speaker 1: should not be waiting for that. They should be very

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Speaker 1: clearly articulating a better path forward and also you know,

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Speaker 1: highlighting all of these problems. And the other part of

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Speaker 1: this is what we were talking about with the Wealth

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Speaker 1: Health Organization, which is Trump is a master of the selection,

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Speaker 1: and all demodogues are It's not my never my fault,

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Speaker 1: it's somebody else's fault. And he picks the right target

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Speaker 1: every time for his base. He picks a target that

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Speaker 1: marshals all of these underlying racial ideologies, all of these

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Speaker 1: biases and fears, and so there's also just this continued

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Speaker 1: deflection narrative of nothing ever being my fault and picking

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Speaker 1: just these you know, kind of straw men, racialized straw

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Speaker 1: men organizations like who or you know, things like that,

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Speaker 1: and so in a way, until the Democrats can seize

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Speaker 1: the counter narratives, I think that you know, again we're

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Speaker 1: just we're just leaving this open for Trump. Well, Jonathan

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Speaker 1: We're going to continue, as always to keep our eyes

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Speaker 1: on all of the news that is unfolding. But I

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Speaker 1: have to tell you that, you know, just a few

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Speaker 1: days until May, I'm not feeling very good about where

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Speaker 1: Democrats are in this moment and and the idea that

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Speaker 1: we're just playing this waiting game. It's either we act

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Speaker 1: or we're going to witness not only our demise through

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Speaker 1: a very vicious virus, but through our political ineptitude. And

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Speaker 1: also just there's so much pain and suffering and loss

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Speaker 1: right now. I mean I've spent the week going to

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Speaker 1: you know, zoom funerals last week. I mean, there's so

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Speaker 1: much to stare right now that I think, you know,

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Speaker 1: people need some hope right now. And so in a way,

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Speaker 1: I think I really do think there's an opening um

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Speaker 1: and not just you know, politics, there's just life. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's there's We're in a moment of crisis, We're in

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Speaker 1: a moment of trauma, and we need some some pathtolds. Well,

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Speaker 1: I hope, Well, we'll continue the conversation as we do

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Speaker 1: to try and figure out exactly what that path forward is, because,

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Speaker 1: like I keep saying, time is of the essence. Jonathan Metzel,

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your conversation and for your

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Speaker 1: contribution to woke F daily on a weekly basis. We

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Speaker 1: appreciate you so much. Thank you, thank you. Always excited

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Speaker 1: to welcome back to the show. Kurt Bardella, as you

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Speaker 1: guys know, is an MSNBC Morning Joe, NBC News Think

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Speaker 1: and USA Today contributor, and I'm lucky because he is

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Speaker 1: one of woke F's contributors as well. Kurt, there seems

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Speaker 1: to be pivots happening in this White House, and one

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Speaker 1: of them, notably yesterday, was the disappearance of the doctors

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Speaker 1: at what was not labeled a COVID briefing that we

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Speaker 1: have come to know but the ramblings are still present.

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Speaker 1: But doctor Fauci and doctor Burkes were missing. We are

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Speaker 1: being told the reports are telling us that they are

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Speaker 1: no longer going to have a public facing position, that

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Speaker 1: they will still be attending the meetings behind closed doors,

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Speaker 1: but that the President and the Trump administration are making

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Speaker 1: this pivot towards hard reopening and economic all economics all

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Speaker 1: the time. What do you make about this? Well, I

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Speaker 1: think that what the President and his allies have finally,

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Speaker 1: I think realizes the coronavirus isn't something that you can

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Speaker 1: be with lies, that you can be with hyperbole and

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Speaker 1: tweets and bullying and all of the things that we've

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Speaker 1: seen Trump users for mince throughout his presidency to overcome

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Speaker 1: mostly self inflicted challenges. In this case that that that

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Speaker 1: doesn't work because this virus is spreading, its death toll

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Speaker 1: is escalating, and no wishful thinking or delusional thinking can

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Speaker 1: change that. And so rather than talk about the medical

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Speaker 1: and health realities of the coronavirus, I think the President

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Speaker 1: and the Republicans have now decided that they are going

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Speaker 1: to pivot away from the medical facts and focus instead

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Speaker 1: on the economy and even still trying to advance this

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Speaker 1: blame China narrative to try to distract away from all

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Speaker 1: of the failures and incompetencies that we've seen so far

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Speaker 1: from the president. The fact that there are states and

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Speaker 1: Republican governors who are now moving to reopen their states

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Speaker 1: and relax social distancing guidelines that can see the advance

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Speaker 1: of any medical healthcare professional that's aware of what's going

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Speaker 1: on right now, it tells you that they are more

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Speaker 1: concerned with the public optics and the public health and

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Speaker 1: I think it's a huge risk. This president and these

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Speaker 1: Republicans are literally gambling their entire political future on the

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Speaker 1: idea that if they let people out right now, no

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Speaker 1: one else is going to get sick, that this virus

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Speaker 1: won't start spreading even more widely again, that people won't

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Speaker 1: They're asking their supporters to put their lives and the

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Speaker 1: lives of their families in their hands, and I just

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Speaker 1: don't think that's going to end well based on everything

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Speaker 1: that we know about this from a medical health standpoint.

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Speaker 1: You know, I love the fact that you use the

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Speaker 1: word gamble, right, because I honestly do think that that's

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Speaker 1: what they are doing. They are gambling, right. They're putting

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Speaker 1: all the chips on the table, and they are basically

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Speaker 1: saying they are willing to gamble that the two to

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Speaker 1: three percent that scientists and doctors have told us are

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Speaker 1: at risk of death right if contracting this virus, that

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Speaker 1: they are gambling on the fact that those people are expendable,

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Speaker 1: and that the majority of Americans will be happy with

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Speaker 1: going back to work, even though they don't know if

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Speaker 1: they will fall among the two to three percent, or

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Speaker 1: even if they don't meet their maker, that they won't

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Speaker 1: be completely and totally impaired by the virus in hospital

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Speaker 1: for a month at a time, or in quarantine for

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Speaker 1: weeks at a time, which has been known to happen

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Speaker 1: with this virus that we're still learning about. Even the protesters,

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Speaker 1: you know, there are signs that say, you know, we

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Speaker 1: shouldn't shut down the economy for the weakest among us.

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Speaker 1: I saw that with my own eyes. What does that

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Speaker 1: say about a party that has been based around being

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Speaker 1: pro life. They're willing to sacrifice two to three percent

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Speaker 1: of the population. Now, I want people to understand, because

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Speaker 1: I've been talking about this on Woka for quite some time,

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Speaker 1: that if the country is made up, is the population

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Speaker 1: in total is around three hundred and twenty eight to

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Speaker 1: three hundred and thirty million people, You're talking about sacrificing

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Speaker 1: upwards of six to eight million people in that two

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Speaker 1: to three percent. This isn't that's that's six to eight

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Speaker 1: million funerals, six to eight million families, friends and loved

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Speaker 1: ones that we will have to bury a loved one

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Speaker 1: because of this decision. How did they how did they

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Speaker 1: rationalize this? You know, it's it's like everything it comes

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Speaker 1: down to I think, you know, a commation of economics

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Speaker 1: in class warfare. I think that if yeah, we've seen

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Speaker 1: time and again throughout this entire period of time that

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Speaker 1: portionately people of color are the ones who are suffering

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Speaker 1: the most, that low income, economically disadvantage families, that are

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Speaker 1: the ones that are bearing the burnt of this. And

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Speaker 1: we know that this is the people that Republicans don't

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Speaker 1: care about at all. They don't give a shit about

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Speaker 1: these people. Uh. And and you know, these are the

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Speaker 1: same people that they target with their with their with

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Speaker 1: their racial profiling policies. There the same people that they

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Speaker 1: uh that they call people from shiphold countries have no

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Speaker 1: problem with white supremacist and police brutality, uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: instigating things against this community. Of course, they don't care

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Speaker 1: if they go to work and die that they view

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Speaker 1: them as it's almost like an extension of a natured

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Speaker 1: service in a lot of the ways that that that

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Speaker 1: to them, to the to this white party, these people

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Speaker 1: are the They are truly the economic engion that makes

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Speaker 1: your country go. They do all the things that allow

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Speaker 1: these rich and titled CEOs to have their private jets,

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Speaker 1: to stay in their vacation homes, to escape the realities

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Speaker 1: of of this virus. They don't care if they send

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Speaker 1: those people to work into slaughter because to them, they're

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Speaker 1: just an expendable cog in the wheel of of of

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Speaker 1: their economy. And you notice, I don't see Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: out there with all the masses. Oh, that's right, he hasn't.

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Speaker 1: He hasn't held his rallies right, staying down down with

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Speaker 1: social distancing up with virus. Stephen Miller or or Kaylee McKinney,

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Speaker 1: or or Kellyan Conway and Mark Meadows and all of

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Speaker 1: those people that are making these policies. I don't see

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Speaker 1: them hanging out in crowds of people. So, as always,

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Speaker 1: it's do as I say, not as I do. And

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Speaker 1: if a couple of million people have to get get

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Speaker 1: sick and die in the process, to Trump, oh well

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Speaker 1: that's okay, We'll just replace them with other people. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter. But you know, current a part, so a

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Speaker 1: part of Donald Trump's base is those wealthy, elite one

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Speaker 1: percenters right right, the people that are they're not going

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Speaker 1: to have to sacrifice themselves or they're young or anything.

645
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: They're going to stay up in their ivory tower. Why

646
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: everyone else on the ground does their bidding, right, in

647
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: order to enrich them. That's how capitalism works in America.

648
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: But another part of Trump's basse r indeed the white workers, right.

649
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 1: Didn't he ride into office on the myth of the

650
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: aggrieved white working class? So why do you think that

651
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: these people are willing to sacrifice themselves for what they

652
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: perceive to be the greater good? That's what I don't understand.

653
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: This has always been the great I think scam of

654
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 1: Donald Trump, the idea that this billionaire lives in these

655
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Speaker 1: in these towers, with his golden toilet seats and all

656
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: of that, that somehow he is the man of the

657
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 1: working class, the working class. Uh it's it's the clearest

658
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: example of people actually voting against their own self interest

659
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: that I have ever seen. And for for for for

660
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: for that Middle America, Southern America, White America, um that

661
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: celebrates Trump, They somehow don't seem to understand that if

662
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: they actually do what he tells them to do, they're

663
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: gonna die. If you inject yourself with with bleach, it's

664
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: not gonna end too well for you, uh you know.

665
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Speaker 1: And so I I banged my head against the wall.

666
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: Honestly when I see that Fox News audience you know,

667
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: for you know, this pomly white audience cheering and and

668
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 1: and and hollerand and hooting for Donald Trump. One of

669
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: the things that he is prescribing would kill them all

670
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 1: and and and they are the ones who are going

671
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: to experience hardship if they go back out there in

672
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: places like Georgia or Wisconsin, uh, you know, and Texas.

673
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: They're they're they're putting their own welfare into health in

674
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: harm's way of thinking, Oh, there's no way that Donald

675
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 1: Trumper or these governors would ever tell me to do

676
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: this if it would actually hurt me. So uh, they

677
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,439
Speaker 1: like to make this almost a mocking type of Oh,

678
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: those liberals are always crying and whining and they're going

679
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: to be afraid. Well, we're strong and we're tough, and

680
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 1: we got our guns and our Second Amendment and our

681
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:34,720
Speaker 1: freedom fries, and that's going to be enough to stave

682
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: off this pandemic. Uh. Which again, if if if Tom

683
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: Hanks can get this, if Chris Cuomo can get this,

684
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: if you people right, if they can get it, I

685
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 1: don't understand how anyone else thinks that somehow, because they

686
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: carry a gun, that's going to make them a mean

687
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: from this suddenly that's I mean it, really, I am

688
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: always dumb struck by the way that that sect of

689
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: Trump's bass unwavering basse thinks about themselves. It's like as

690
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: if they think that their whiteness prescribes them with some

691
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:23,439
Speaker 1: type of lottery ticket that they're sitting on that they're

692
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: going to be able to cash in at some time. Now, look,

693
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: white supremacy is real and like and in some ways

694
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: is currency. But when we're talking about a global pandemic

695
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: that actually doesn't see borders, right, that doesn't see age.

696
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: We were wrong in the beginning when we said that

697
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: it only was going to affect the elderly. Yesterday I

698
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: heard reports about a twenty four year old woman who

699
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: was pregnant who they were They had to have an

700
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Speaker 1: emergency c section. The baby survived, the mother did not,

701
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: and she was twenty four. We've heard stories of the

702
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,959
Speaker 1: first you know, child that has died from the coronavirus

703
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 1: in the United States that was five years old. Right,

704
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 1: So we know that what we initially thought is not true.

705
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Speaker 1: But the numbers do show us that it is disproportionately

706
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,720
Speaker 1: affecting and killing black and brown people. Do you believe

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Speaker 1: that if those numbers were not They like, why do

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00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: they believe those numbers? Right that, Oh, it's only that,

709
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:27,240
Speaker 1: but they don't believe the overarching numbers that fifty five

710
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Speaker 1: over fifty five thousand people have died in the United

711
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Speaker 1: States in the past two months. Right. Even Tucker Carlson

712
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:39,240
Speaker 1: got on air on Fox the other day and said,

713
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Speaker 1: the economies are reopening in some states because the virus

714
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: is not as bad as we thought. Is close to

715
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Speaker 1: sixty thousand people dying in two months not that bad?

716
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: And again, this is it reminds me of the response

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Speaker 1: that we saw, the drastic difference response we saw when

718
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: you know, hurricanes devastated San Juan put them when they

719
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 1: came and storms hit Texas, right, And for Trump and

720
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: the Republicans, it's well, this is really you know, hitting

721
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 1: New York and big cities and urban areas. It's not

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Speaker 1: hitting in their minds Oklahoma or Arkansas, or or or

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Speaker 1: South Carolina or Alabama. Uh. If it were, I guarantee

724
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Speaker 1: you if if the deaths of Corona were white people

725
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: in Middle America, they'd be approaching this a whole lot different.

726
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: And you see just in how they're reacting to this

727
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:42,399
Speaker 1: and the and the type of protesting you're seeing from

728
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: people in like Wisconsin, uh, you know, and Georgia and this,

729
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: you know, our rights versus there as the victre telling

730
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 1: us what to do or you know, all this nonsense. Um,

731
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 1: you know, it's totally driven through a racial lens. And

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Speaker 1: I think that if the situation were reversed it would

733
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: be dramatically different. Um. You know, it's it's always easy

734
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:13,240
Speaker 1: to be cavalier when it's other people's lives, always easier

735
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 1: to be dismissive when it's oh those other people over there,

736
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Speaker 1: not here. And the irony, of course is by rushing

737
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 1: out there prematurely, they are putting themselves at tremendous risk

738
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Speaker 1: of having this happen to them, of of of having

739
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:33,359
Speaker 1: how it's spread in highly populated, dense areas like New

740
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Speaker 1: York and places in like Maryland. That's going to happen

741
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Speaker 1: in Jordian Wisconsin if if they foolishly go out there

742
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: and act like nothing is going on. There's no harm

743
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 1: to be had here, all right, And and they'll have

744
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 1: only themselves to blame, honestly, But they won't they won't

745
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: blame themselves, Kurt, We know that, Oh, of course not,

746
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 1: it will be something else. There's always an excuse, always

747
00:49:55,960 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: a reason not to hold Donald Trump accountable. And I

748
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: think that the one thing that Trump keeps doing, though,

749
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: that is beyond stupid, is putting himself front and center,

750
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:14,720
Speaker 1: having these these press briefings and giving the American people

751
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: a daily reminder of who is in charge right now.

752
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 1: You know, during previous crisis you would never see deliberately,

753
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Speaker 1: so the President of the United States front and center

754
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 1: every day. You know, during Bola, the President Obama's anger

755
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 1: are very delivered. They only put him out there two

756
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: or three times because they wanted the medical professionals and

757
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 1: scientists to be front and center and drive the response,

758
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: not the politics of it. And here we've seen a

759
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 1: kind of a reversal of that script and Donald Trump

760
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,280
Speaker 1: making himself. He took a two day break from these briefings,

761
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 1: we'll call it, before he couldn't help thee back out

762
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: there in front of the TV cameras again. So he

763
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: is setting himself up failure by making himself the face

764
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: of everything as he can help himself because he's a narcissist.

765
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Speaker 1: But also when this thing goes south, because it will,

766
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Speaker 1: right of course, it will I mean, it's science, right,

767
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 1: That's the thing. It's it's science. It's a certainty. It's

768
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Speaker 1: not a matter of if it's going to happen in

769
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Speaker 1: the state of Florida or the state of Texas, these

770
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Speaker 1: places that are beginning their reopenings. It's just a matter

771
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Speaker 1: of when. And I think that you're going to see

772
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 1: a huge backlash in the fall when this goes south.

773
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 1: When people went out there because they they thought that

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00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 1: it was safe, because their political leaders told them so,

775
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: and it turns out that they all get sick and

776
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 1: a lot of them die. Um, you know, the blood

777
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:46,919
Speaker 1: of those people will be on the hands of Donald

778
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 1: Trump for the impotent Party. So let's look at a

779
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Speaker 1: piece written by h Morning Joe's Joe Scarsborough in the

780
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:01,479
Speaker 1: Washington Post this week, the cost of Trump's deadly state

781
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Speaker 1: of Denial. And you know, in the piece, Joe goes

782
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Speaker 1: through essentially a timeline, right, a timeline that begins back

783
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,879
Speaker 1: in February when I mean, excuse me, it begins back

784
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:19,240
Speaker 1: in January. When he writes this, Trump said, the coronavirus

785
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 1: was quote one person coming in from China. Quote we

786
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 1: have it totally under control. It's going to be just fine,

787
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: But the president's intelligence community had been warning him for

788
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: weeks about about the coming threat when he made that

789
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: spurious claim. He goes on to talk about in February

790
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: that Trump predicted that the virus would go away by April. Well,

791
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: at the end of this week, we're going to be

792
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 1: in May, right, And Trump said this, it's like a miracle,

793
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: It'll disappear. Joe says that reckless prediction also came weeks

794
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 1: after the White House staff warned the virus would imperil

795
00:52:56,320 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: millions of Americans lives while costing the US trillions of dollars.

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00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 1: He calls about talking in this piece about Trump's magical thinking,

797
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 1: we hear other Republicans come out in defense of this

798
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 1: president and saying, well, he is a cheerleader. He is

799
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: about optimism. Is this optimism? Is it magical thinking? Or

800
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,959
Speaker 1: is it stupidity or a combination of all three? Well,

801
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 1: first of all, I've never heard anybody be able to

802
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,879
Speaker 1: describe Donald Trump as an optimistic guy. This is someone

803
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,799
Speaker 1: who is used and weaponized the politics of fear and

804
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 1: devicedness and a racism to advance a radical and racist

805
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: agenda imposed on the most vulnerable in our society, there's

806
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:46,399
Speaker 1: something optimistic about Donald Trump. Secondly, Joe's right that that

807
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 1: basically Donald Trump has been bumbling his way through this

808
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 1: entire process, frantically searching for some sort of message that

809
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 1: he can hold on to to try to avoid the bill.

810
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 1: He trying to avoid being helped responsible while also trying

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00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 1: to stave off uh. You know, you know Joe Biden,

812
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: who is appearing stronger and stronger every day. You know,

813
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 1: I think that the idea that anything Trump does is

814
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 1: actually truly thought out and deliberate, um is. I think

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00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 1: we've seen Tom again that that's just not true. He

816
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 1: is an impulsive person with the with the impulse control

817
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 1: of a six year old, and he just does and

818
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 1: says whatever comes to his mind at any given point

819
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:32,879
Speaker 1: in time. And just again the other day, the fact

820
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,280
Speaker 1: that we started the day with the White House saying

821
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Speaker 1: there's not going to be a press briefing. We got

822
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Speaker 1: through the day and then all of a sudden, you

823
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:40,879
Speaker 1: know what, We're going to do it in the Rose Garden.

824
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 1: As it turns out, you know, and when he when

825
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 1: he made those absurd comments about leach and disinfectants, it

826
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,959
Speaker 1: was well, first you said it, then it was, well,

827
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Speaker 1: medical professionals are arguing studies. Then it was he was joking.

828
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:56,320
Speaker 1: He was sarcastic about it. Uh, they changed the story

829
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 1: so many times and just one day you can't even

830
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: keep track. But when asked her just because again, he

831
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 1: said for the second time that he takes no responsibility

832
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Speaker 1: when asked by a reporter, and it do you take

833
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:16,360
Speaker 1: responsibility for the fact that poison control boards around this

834
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Speaker 1: country are excuse me, having to field field thousands of

835
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Speaker 1: calls about whether or not they should pop a tide

836
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: pod or you know, instead of wiping their surfaces with

837
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: the chlorox bleach, maybe wipe their bodies with it. Thirty people.

838
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 1: You know, there are people around this country that again

839
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 1: believe everything that he says. And he told the reporter,

840
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 1: I take no responsibility again, So how do you put yourself,

841
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:51,800
Speaker 1: like you said, as the face of this pandemic. The

842
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 1: things that you're offering have no scientific and medical merit whatsoever.

843
00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:01,840
Speaker 1: People follow that get sick, more people die. But you

844
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 1: take no responsibility for something that you've made yourself to

845
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 1: face up. How does that work? You know that's the

846
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 1: same people, ironically enough, that follow this guy who also

847
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 1: doubt you know the science of climate change. Um, you know,

848
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 1: people who are routinely used to not who following a

849
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 1: guy who doesn't know anything about fact or science and

850
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 1: who doesn't place a priority or value on truth. Uh.

851
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 1: You know, this is a president who's told more than

852
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 1: ten thousand lies since taking office, and the lies of

853
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 1: what everything about as trivial as crowd sizes at an inauguration,

854
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 1: Which who really cares about that? Uh? You know, to

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00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 1: the very important such as our public health? Uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: during coronavirus. But when you follow a guy who just

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Speaker 1: lies as easy as it is to breathe, Yep, this

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Speaker 1: this is what you get. You know. It's it's clear

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Speaker 1: that his following they don't care about the truth. They

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Speaker 1: don't care about facts, they don't care about honesty. If

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Speaker 1: they did, they wouldn't have voted and supported Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: throughout his entire political career here. So it's kind of

863
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 1: like you get what you ask for sometimes in life.

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Speaker 1: And you know, the people that support him and blindly

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Speaker 1: follow him, and the people who enable him and defend him,

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00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 1: you know, they're they're about to find themselves in a

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Speaker 1: world of their own making, and ultimately it could cost

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Speaker 1: them their life. You know, it seems to me that

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Speaker 1: the only thing that Trump cares about is the election

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Speaker 1: and money right in order for him to continue to

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Speaker 1: secure the bag, as the kids say, he needs to

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Speaker 1: secure the White House, and in doing so, doesn't care

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Speaker 1: about who he's putting in harm's way so long as

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Speaker 1: the gamble pays off. Because Trump has been gambling his

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Speaker 1: entire life. What do you think about how November looks

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00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 1: at this moment? There are polls that come out that

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Speaker 1: are still coming out. Uh. Some have his approval rating up,

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00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 1: some have them down, most have Biden ahead, some have

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Speaker 1: Trump ahead. What is you know? Every week I'm going

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Speaker 1: to ask you, what's your prediction based on the bullshit

881
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:16,959
Speaker 1: that has happened this week and where we will where

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Speaker 1: we will end up. But in in the recent pollings,

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Speaker 1: what do you what do you think? How do you

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Speaker 1: think they weren't an affair? You know, I think if

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Speaker 1: you if you look at work things in at this

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Speaker 1: moment in time, you know, Biden bio arts has an

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Speaker 1: eight point lead over Trump among twenty twenty general election builders.

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Speaker 1: You know, bidens to Trump forty four. Uh. You're very

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Speaker 1: rarely in any polling since the beginning of the Trump

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Speaker 1: presidency ever see the president break above really forty five percent,

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Speaker 1: which is incredibly troubling for an incumbent president under even

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Speaker 1: the best scenarios. Um. You know, there's even you know,

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Speaker 1: a slightly larger universe of self identified Republicants who say

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Speaker 1: that they would vote for Biden about one in time,

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Speaker 1: which is profound when you look at then, you know,

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Speaker 1: people forget that specspect that Trump one. He's still lost

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Speaker 1: the popular of a three million votes. Uh. And and

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Speaker 1: and it was against a candidate and Hillary who forget

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Speaker 1: or worse, there is no Republican who who would vote

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Speaker 1: for Hillary Clinton for a myriad of reasons. Uh, that's

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Speaker 1: not that's different this time. Uh. And you know there

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00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 1: are Republicans, you know, and even though it might only

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Speaker 1: be one in ten, if that actually happens in November,

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Speaker 1: that's enough to change the election, frankly. And then when

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Speaker 1: you look at the independence Biden has a double digit

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Speaker 1: lead and has had went over over Trump for for

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Speaker 1: the better part of the year and all hypothetical matchups. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know, you combine that with the fact that Trump's

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Speaker 1: approver rating on his handling of the Corona upbreak, you know,

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Speaker 1: has has has basically been training downward. Now there was

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Speaker 1: kind of that initial world supporters supporter leader, which is

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Speaker 1: what the American people do, but now that's going back

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Speaker 1: down in to the forties again. And the interesting thing

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Speaker 1: thing is, uh, you know, the number of Americans who

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Speaker 1: actually watched these briefings has been declining over the past month.

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Speaker 1: At one point, I think it was something along the

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Speaker 1: lines of fifty four percent said said they watch it,

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Speaker 1: and about two weeks ago that number was sixty four percent.

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Speaker 1: So we've seen a ten percent drop in viewership of

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Speaker 1: these briefings and just two weeks. And because people are

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Speaker 1: just you know, again, no matter whether you like the

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Speaker 1: president or you don't, you're I think people are seeing

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Speaker 1: they're not getting what they need when it comes to

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Speaker 1: public health information. And thanks to need for your kids,

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Speaker 1: who are sitting right there with you, by the way,

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Speaker 1: because there's no where you can go, right. I think

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Speaker 1: people are changing the channel a little bit now, and

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Speaker 1: I think that benefits Joe Biden. Well, we will see.

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Speaker 1: Kurt Bardella, thank you so much for joining us and

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Speaker 1: giving some insight into the Republican mind like only you

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Speaker 1: can do. I appreciate you so much. You have yourself

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Speaker 1: a great week, stay healthy, and we'll talk to you soon.

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Speaker 1: Talk to you soon. That's it for me here, folks.

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Speaker 1: As always, Power to the people and to all the people. Power.

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Speaker 1: Get woke and stay woke as fuck, and remain healthy

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Speaker 1: and safe as fuck.