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Speaker 1: This is Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous in Depth.

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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, welcome to the Almost Famous podcast. Today it

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Speaker 1: is just me and McKenna who you guys know, McKenna

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Speaker 1: Dorn who you know from Peters season. I can't believe

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Speaker 1: how long it's been have you since you were on

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Speaker 1: the Bachelor? It is it's wild to me to like

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Speaker 1: shink back like we filmed it in twenty nineteen, and

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Speaker 1: I mean also with you know, the pandemic, I think

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Speaker 1: it feels like twenty years ago. Yeah, you guys just

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Speaker 1: had the perfect timeline. Your season ended up rapping right

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Speaker 1: around the time, like rapping, rapping, like with the finale

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Speaker 1: and everything. Now it was March. I remember I was

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Speaker 1: in La and then like I flew home and the

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Speaker 1: World showdown, Like it was bizarre. It's crazy. How are

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Speaker 1: you seing this? Your season to me is one of

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Speaker 1: like the last like really really memorable ones with a

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Speaker 1: really memorable cast. You had so many top girls, a

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Speaker 1: lot of great girls. How do you do you keep

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Speaker 1: up with anyone from the show now? Like who your

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Speaker 1: best he's from the show, Because if you're moved, like

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Speaker 1: as much as you think you're going to be best

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Speaker 1: friends forever, you usually just keep a handful around, which

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Speaker 1: is sad but true. Yeah, I pretty much just talked

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Speaker 1: to like Kelsey and Kelly, and then there's another girl

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Speaker 1: named Savannah that I talked to from my season. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: but you don't watch The Bachelor anymore? Correct, No, don't

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Speaker 1: tell us why I don't. I think being on it,

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Speaker 1: I was a huge fan of the show too, and

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Speaker 1: I don't know being on it just and this like

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Speaker 1: the season that I was on, and I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think I just like I can't watch it gets

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Speaker 1: me anxiety for some reason, Like I just I just

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Speaker 1: can't watch it anymore. M Yeah, I don't know. There's

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Speaker 1: just it just doesn't interest me in a way of

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Speaker 1: like that I used to did you stop right away

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Speaker 1: or did it just give you some Yeah, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: haven't watched. I haven't watched the full season. I think

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Speaker 1: I've watched a couple episode is here and there. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I have not watched from the beginning to the end.

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Speaker 1: And it used to be like I used to watch

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Speaker 1: with my family, with my friends, and now I just

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Speaker 1: go on with my Monday nights. So I know that

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Speaker 1: you've been really open on social media about how much

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Speaker 1: the show gave you anxiety, and it really try to

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Speaker 1: crush yourself esteem to a certain degree. I'm sure that

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Speaker 1: that plays a role in you watching anymore. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was just a really I think the Bachelor and

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Speaker 1: then going on to the Paradise. I remember, like last

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Speaker 1: time I was on your podcast, it was before I

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Speaker 1: went on Paradise. Yeah, like, go for it, go have fun,

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Speaker 1: like go I'm so sorry because when I was last devastating,

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Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, I like hug out a room for

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Speaker 1: two weeks and then I went out and I was

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Speaker 1: last McKennon. My memory from you being on Paradise was

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Speaker 1: just you showing up to one of those parties as

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Speaker 1: like one of the other girls, like there to mix

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Speaker 1: and mingle. Yeah. I went to the party and then

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Speaker 1: I went back to my room and they're like, you

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Speaker 1: did great, just here for another week in a bit.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I'm so sorry. What what year was that?

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Speaker 1: Was that the year that um Chris and Crystal got married?

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Speaker 1: That Yeah, yeah, okay, Christina, oh, Serena and Joe. So

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Speaker 1: there's just like recently, Yeah, that was the first Paradise

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Speaker 1: a year. Yeah, because there's a bunch there was like

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Speaker 1: Matt season, my season, Everyone's a bunch of different people. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry to put you back in that situation. If

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Speaker 1: I had it, it's all good. What was it about

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Speaker 1: the show just to get deep here for a second

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Speaker 1: that you really thought messed with you? Do you think

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Speaker 1: that it was the filming portion or the after effect

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Speaker 1: in the social media and all that, which one had

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Speaker 1: a heavier effect on you? It was I think the filming.

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Speaker 1: I think the two on one was really difficult for me.

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Speaker 1: Um in that just like the last thing I want

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Speaker 1: And then to watch it over and to like be

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Speaker 1: back and I'm like, I wish I didn't do it.

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Speaker 1: I also, I was twenty two, so yeah, like I

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Speaker 1: still am. I feel like I was. I was just

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Speaker 1: think it's just it's just a hard chapter for me

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Speaker 1: and then people's comments and yeah, all of that was

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Speaker 1: just like all the whole shebang, the whole mixture of

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Speaker 1: it all. So well, it's interesting that you say that

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Speaker 1: your age played into it. I know it's kind of

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Speaker 1: like cliche at this point for me to be like, yeah, age,

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Speaker 1: every wed still young? Are we so young? But like

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Speaker 1: if we were, look look at science and biology, your

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Speaker 1: frontal lobe, that decision making bard of your brain isn't

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Speaker 1: fully developed until you're twenty six, twenty seven, and it

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Speaker 1: definitely plays a role in like what you do when

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Speaker 1: and all of that. So do you think there should

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Speaker 1: be like kind of do you think they should up

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Speaker 1: the age require because right now it's twenty one. But

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Speaker 1: maybe just like for like the mental health sake and

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Speaker 1: just like knowing yourself, you know, like just knowing yourself

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Speaker 1: and having like this sort of self esteem that you

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Speaker 1: get with age, maybe really official. I was, Yeah, I was.

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Speaker 1: I was. I felt like I knew myself, you know.

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Speaker 1: I feel like you're like I think I knowell me,

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Speaker 1: I know this, and yeah, I just I feel like

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Speaker 1: twenty two. At twenty two, I was like over analyzing

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Speaker 1: twenty six is when I went on, and it's just

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Speaker 1: probably be twenty six. Um, okay, well you you do

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Speaker 1: you're first of sorts. It's been over a year. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's for a year and a half now, just moved

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Speaker 1: So you kind of kept him secret first. You weren't

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Speaker 1: just thought we did. I did it for six months

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Speaker 1: so he came outside. We said hi real quick, and

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Speaker 1: then two days later we went on a date and yeah,

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Speaker 1: together now? Your first living boyfriend. It's been good. It

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Speaker 1: definitely is a transition. I mean I've I've never had

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Speaker 1: you've never had a roommate. Yeah, I lived with myself

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Speaker 1: and you go into living with a boyfriend. Wow, give

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Speaker 1: us all the dirt, you know, seriously, tell us what's annoying.

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Speaker 1: I realized yesterday will organized it like we were away.

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Speaker 1: I was away for on and off two weeks. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: and I was unpacking for basically two weeks. It took

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Speaker 1: was like, I'm realizing that I will never have that

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Speaker 1: My boyfriend is very clean and organized like that organized

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Speaker 1: like organized like organizers in the drawers type. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: I am definitely a little best year one. And I

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Speaker 1: have a lot of clothes. I have taking. We have

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