Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Welcome to another episode of Diamonds in the Run.
Speaker 2: Diamonds in the Rough, Episode three, Episode three.
Speaker 1: I'm really feeling and I'm just taking off your energy
Speaker 1: of being a diamond at this moment, because, hello, you're
Speaker 1: going back to Broadway.
Speaker 3: How does this happen? Explain to me the details?
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, so I did over eighty shows exactly five
Speaker 2: years ago. Okay, in twenty twenty, I am returning to
Speaker 2: Broadway to you know, basically I have unfinished business, right,
Speaker 2: so I'm returning to Broadway to complete those shows.
Speaker 3: Because it's shut down for COVID.
Speaker 2: Yeah, COVID shutdown, well really two weeks before my contract
Speaker 2: was over. But this time I'm doing three limited weeks.
Speaker 3: That is so fun. And what are the dates? When
Speaker 3: is it?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, January twenty three, February ninth.
Speaker 1: So maybe I need to come so I can watch
Speaker 1: again without having to deal with Suttens pain in the ass.
Speaker 1: And you're also not pregnant and I'm not pregnant, and
Speaker 1: then we can pod and do all the things.
Speaker 2: We need to pod from New York City. You need
Speaker 2: to come and we can have a nice time, and
Speaker 2: also too, if you'll remember like I did not meet
Speaker 2: your daughter Dove until like a few weeks ago, and
Speaker 2: it was five years ago. Think about your life five
Speaker 2: years ago, everything that's trans I mean that's happened to
Speaker 2: you five years ago, everything that's happened to me five
Speaker 2: years ago, and the planet. I'm not leaving anybody. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but think about how life has changed so much since
Speaker 2: exactly five years ago.
Speaker 1: Going back and doing Chicago again, are there things that
Speaker 1: you're going to change?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Are there things that still to this day you're like, gosh,
Speaker 1: I wish you would have done that.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 2: And I was on the phone this morning with Greg Butler,
Speaker 2: who's the choreographer who gets all the Roxy's ready. And
Speaker 2: there's a very cool article you can read about it
Speaker 2: was just published like two days ago, about Greg getting
Speaker 2: all of the Roxy's ready. I said to him, you know, Greg,
Speaker 2: this run of shows, I really want to be present,
Speaker 2: So I want to make sure that I calumb over
Speaker 2: all the choreo. I'll go over all the musical stuff,
Speaker 2: all the notes, all the vocals, so that I can
Speaker 2: just be so present on stage and have a good
Speaker 2: time and really enjoy being Roxy.
Speaker 1: Does that mean that that's something I mean, this is
Speaker 1: the topic that we're going to bring up today, which
Speaker 1: is resilience. Yes, the actual definition is the capacity to
Speaker 1: withstand or to recover quickly from difficulties, toughness. We as
Speaker 1: your friends or we as the audience, however you want
Speaker 1: to look at. It had no idea everything that you
Speaker 1: were going through when you were roxy.
Speaker 2: No, it was falling apart fast. And that's not it
Speaker 2: was true like there was. I mean it was rough.
Speaker 2: It was so rough, and you know, Tom never came
Speaker 2: to a show and everything.
Speaker 3: I remember Andy asked that, yes, and while.
Speaker 2: What people don't realize now, and I don't want to
Speaker 2: stay on this too long because we've got other people
Speaker 2: to talk about, but my life was falling apart day
Speaker 2: by day in Los Angeles as I did eight shows
Speaker 2: a week in New York City, and then COVID came
Speaker 2: and then everybody's life burned down around them. So it
Speaker 2: was just it was nuts. I was holding all of
Speaker 2: that inside well.
Speaker 1: I even remember thinking, like, when I came to see
Speaker 1: you in your dressing room, how strong certain like actors,
Speaker 1: especially stage actors, have to be because you're in a small,
Speaker 1: little dressing room for hours and hours like and so
Speaker 1: especially if you're going through something I can't imagine, like.
Speaker 2: That's well, the show kept me busy and kept me
Speaker 2: mentally present, you know, kind of how like you're working now,
Speaker 2: just keeps you super focused. But without that, I mean,
Speaker 2: I really don't know what would have happened. It was rough,
Speaker 2: and I'm glad it's over.
Speaker 1: Is there anyone that didn't come to the show that
Speaker 1: you hope can make it to this round?
Speaker 2: Yeah? There's, yeah, there is. There's a couple people that
Speaker 2: I know that are coming that I'm really excited about.
Speaker 3: I'm really excited. And congratulations.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Thank you, Thank you to everybody
Speaker 2: who wished me well, all of the nice little moments
Speaker 2: on social media, Thank you so much. It really means
Speaker 2: a lot. You know, you get inspired, you you feel good,
Speaker 2: and especially when some people around you said it'd never
Speaker 2: happen again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so there you go.
Speaker 1: And I think I watched the documentary on Pamela Anderson.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, who also was rock She was roxy too,
Speaker 2: and now she's up for a Golden Glove. And I mean,
Speaker 2: have you seen the last show Girl? I have not,
Speaker 2: but I understand it's really good.
Speaker 3: I have loved I loved her book. I loved her story.
Speaker 1: I loved her for years, for years, But I think
Speaker 1: she's also a true testament of somebody with resilience.
Speaker 2: Yes, she is, like she has you know, so are
Speaker 2: you well? I mean I think if you're in this
Speaker 2: business and you're sticking around, you're resilient.
Speaker 1: But I think we everybody loves to judge, and so
Speaker 1: watching Pamela Anderson back in her you know, bay Watch
Speaker 1: days and Tommy Lee days and all of that, and
Speaker 1: just now how she's just like a beacon of like, listen,
Speaker 1: I don't even want to wear a makeup good for her, but.
Speaker 2: She's earned the right not to. That's what's so cool
Speaker 2: about it. I mean, pam is and I don't know her,
Speaker 2: but like Diana knows her, and everybody that I know,
Speaker 2: Greg loves her. Everybody do you know her?
Speaker 1: I don't know her well, I've only like hung around her,
Speaker 1: not enough to people really like her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's nice to see her have her her
Speaker 2: whole resurgence yeah, on her own terms.
Speaker 3: Yeah, on her own terms, and also be able to share.
Speaker 1: I think that sometimes people think, like oh, to be resilient,
Speaker 1: or to be talented, or to be successful. You don't
Speaker 1: have moments that you regret or things that you're ashamed of. No,
Speaker 1: that's the whole fucking point.
Speaker 2: The whole point is to be knocked down, shake it off,
Speaker 2: and get back up. And of course you have terrible moments.
Speaker 2: This is called life. And everybody fucks up. That's just
Speaker 2: the truth. You know, everybody fucks up.
Speaker 1: Everybody fucks up, and then everybody is going to have
Speaker 1: some amazing some of their best times ever.
Speaker 2: Then, know what, You're gonna fuck up again, and you're
Speaker 2: gonna fuck up again. You're gonna get knocked down again.
Speaker 2: You're gonna pick yourself back up again. And that's life.
Speaker 2: It's the fact. What makes you resilient is that you
Speaker 2: get back up. Yeah, and you are still engaged in
Speaker 2: the game of life. And that is something that I'm
Speaker 2: very proud of you. I'm very proud of you. And
Speaker 2: you got some ways to go, but you're gonna have
Speaker 2: some really good wins.
Speaker 3: The holidays are gonna make it.
Speaker 1: We'll get into holiday stuff later, but that's definitely going
Speaker 1: to add another level.
Speaker 2: Of Yeah, it's sadness and it's stressed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but somebody else in the public eye who I
Speaker 1: think has shown a lot of resilience, as Kelly clarkson.
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, do you know I saw this woman say
Speaker 2: she sounds better live than on the fucking record. That
Speaker 2: woman's voice is a gift from God above, like and
Speaker 2: it is a gift from God above.
Speaker 3: And so is her personality. She's a sweet person, she's.
Speaker 1: Funny, she can be self deprecating. I think she has
Speaker 1: a good heart, Like her kids go to my kids'
Speaker 1: school like a nice kid and they're like, she's great.
Speaker 1: But she says she has no regrets moving to New
Speaker 1: York City for a fresh start.
Speaker 2: Good for her.
Speaker 3: It was the best decision for her.
Speaker 1: She put her happiness first when she moved to New
Speaker 1: York after years in Los Angeles. So let me rephrase
Speaker 1: her kids used to go to my kids right, people
Speaker 1: will go now they didn't you move New York whatever?
Speaker 2: You know what alone, you know what we meant.
Speaker 1: After years in Los Angeles, Kelly packed up her life
Speaker 1: with two young children and headed to the Big Apple,
Speaker 1: taking her hit talk show with her. The move to
Speaker 1: New York City was a fresh start for her that
Speaker 1: she has never regretted. The Insider says she had not
Speaker 1: been happy in Los Angeles for a while, but was
Speaker 1: still nervous about moving. It was the best decision for her,
Speaker 1: though they thrive as a fan.
Speaker 2: Isn't that wonderful because you know that it's like imagine
Speaker 2: leaving a talk show, well not leaving, but taking it
Speaker 2: with you. It's not like they just say, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: let's pack up and move to New York. That's not
Speaker 2: I mean, even though Kelly.
Speaker 3: A really damn good at your job, for them to go, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2: Sure, roots up and then just go play, you know,
Speaker 2: across the East Coast and then taking your kids out
Speaker 2: of school, yeah, and moving completely somewhere new in the city. Listen, say,
Speaker 2: New York City's tough. I know I lived there. She's
Speaker 2: not for the week. And it's a big thing to
Speaker 2: take your kids, move them across all the way to
Speaker 2: the East Coast, take your show, move it over there.
Speaker 3: And I haven't, to be perfectly honest, I haven't loved
Speaker 3: what her ex husband has said and done to her.
Speaker 2: I don't even know who he is.
Speaker 3: Well, I know that he makes a lot of money
Speaker 3: from being.
Speaker 2: Mister Kelly Clarkson.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Ow, And to me, I'm like.
Speaker 2: Kelly, you know, I'm happy or happy. Yeah you get that, dude.
Speaker 1: Well it got renewed for season seven by NBC Universal,
Speaker 1: so it comes very clear that she is thriving.
Speaker 2: See, there's life after all of these things. Yeah, got
Speaker 2: to just stick it out.
Speaker 3: Her show averages is a one point two million viewers
Speaker 3: per day and increase from the fall twenty twenty three
Speaker 3: and consistently ranks as one of the top syndicated talk shows,
Speaker 3: which for people that aren't like talk shows used to
Speaker 3: be everything.
Speaker 2: Well, now there's so much content or media however you
Speaker 2: want to say it like to get there or to
Speaker 2: get that rating is still big.
Speaker 1: That's huge because think about how many talk shows no
Speaker 1: longer exist.
Speaker 2: Well there aren't Anny, and how big they used to had, Oprah,
Speaker 2: Phil Donah, Sally, I Love Me Some, Mauri Montel, Williams, Montell, Jenny, Jenny,
Speaker 2: Ricky Lake, Jenny Jones, who know that was Sally, Jesse,
Speaker 2: Raphael but the Glasses, Joan Rivers, everybody had a talk show.
Speaker 3: This is something I am a little curious about.
Speaker 2: Oh, the kids wanting to date, the kids not wanting
Speaker 2: her to date.
Speaker 1: She says she's very satisfied with life, loves being a mom,
Speaker 1: and she's fine, Uh with not dating because their kids
Speaker 1: don't want her to. I want to ask one question,
Speaker 1: go ahead, is she getting it in?
Speaker 2: We'll see that. Only she can answer that, right, Do
Speaker 2: you think that there's a difference, Like, yeah, there's a
Speaker 2: very big difference.
Speaker 3: Oh. I think there's a difference too.
Speaker 1: But like the question though, is does she mean dating
Speaker 1: like introduce them to a party?
Speaker 2: Oh no, my mother never did that. My mother never
Speaker 2: had a man sleepover. And my mother never introduced me
Speaker 2: to anybody she was quote dating, And I am very
Speaker 2: grateful for that. It's the one thing she did, right.
Speaker 3: Would did she ever get remarried?
Speaker 2: No? I mean she married the same man twice who
Speaker 2: was my stepfather who adopted me, So she fucked that up.
Speaker 2: But the one thing she did do after all that
Speaker 2: was she never brought anybody else home again. So I
Speaker 2: am grateful for that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, So I think that Kelly could be
Speaker 1: hanging out with I mean, I have well, and that's
Speaker 1: her private life.
Speaker 2: But introducing someone to your children is a big deal.
Speaker 3: Someone brought me brand new to your kids.
Speaker 2: That's not happening unless I would For me, I would
Speaker 2: think that was someone really quality that I thought there
Speaker 2: was a possibility of having a real relationship with otherwise,
Speaker 2: like I'm bringing some stray home.
Speaker 3: I mean I think that, well, am I talking like
Speaker 3: a dude?
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, we talk about you the way you talk
Speaker 2: about us, Sonny. Let me tell you. Oh wait a minute,
Speaker 2: So this just in, this just in. Someone in our
Speaker 2: group here told us that, well, Matt told us he
Speaker 2: used to wait tables and that Kelly tipped one hundred
Speaker 2: percent of the bill.
Speaker 3: All the time.
Speaker 1: That's generous, that is and that is classy, and that
Speaker 1: shows that you have appreciation for what somebody else is doing.
Speaker 2: And where you come from. Yes, this remember this was
Speaker 2: a young woman from Texas, right yeah, and with a
Speaker 2: with a big gift from American Idol right to She's
Speaker 2: still here.
Speaker 3: She's still here, and she's better than ever.
Speaker 2: Oh the Martha Stewart Dot.
Speaker 3: You guys, if you have not watched Martha.
Speaker 2: Please do. I mean I've watched, but I need to
Speaker 2: sit down and really digest it. But I love it
Speaker 2: that Martha says she needs a part too, because part
Speaker 2: one just didn't it wasn't enough.
Speaker 3: Martha's not lacking and confidence.
Speaker 2: Martha is a motherfucker. The best way possible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then watching it, I was like got a
Speaker 1: little bit confused about like did she really need to
Speaker 1: go to jail?
Speaker 2: Well, Martha can tell you, Oh you think she's going
Speaker 2: to be on Hey Martha, do you know I have
Speaker 2: a picture I would give anything. She'd probably cuss us
Speaker 2: out and I'd love it. So I have one of
Speaker 2: my cherished pictures is myself and Martha and Wendy Williams
Speaker 2: on either side of me, the three of us together.
Speaker 2: We went to a fashion show in New York. It's
Speaker 2: just so good where legends it's that my camera roll.
Speaker 3: I was waiting for you to be like three legends,
Speaker 3: three icons.
Speaker 2: No, No, I'm surrounded by icons on either side. I'll
Speaker 2: have to find that pick. But we were at the
Speaker 2: Blonds fashion show. It was a few years ago in Manhattan,
Speaker 2: and you know, and Martha was like hello Erica. Whendy's
Speaker 2: like oh hey, and I no.
Speaker 3: No, that Martha knows your name. You're doing something right.
Speaker 2: Not really, she was introduced. I you know, oh hi,
Speaker 2: she It's not like she knows my name. And Wendy
Speaker 2: was like, oh, hey, you're that girl, and so you know.
Speaker 3: Hey, yeah, Well we got to a big judge to position.
Speaker 1: When we talk about the Martha Stewart documentary versus the
Speaker 1: Wendy Williams one.
Speaker 3: I know that one like breaks my heart breaks for Wendy,
Speaker 3: But I think that also shows the difference between when
Speaker 3: you have control over your own.
Speaker 2: Oh, Wendy's sick, Wendy's not well, Martha's Yeah, they're going
Speaker 2: through two different things in my opinion. Yeah, Wendy's not well,
Speaker 2: So yeah, you can't you can't judge. Yeah, I wasn't
Speaker 2: really judging, no, like I was balance them. I'm sure
Speaker 2: if Wendy was well, she'd be fighting like a motherfucker. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But I think when you watch Wendy's store, you see
Speaker 1: the amount of years, but it just yeah, it was hard.
Speaker 1: But I think that Martha is a true testament to
Speaker 1: Martha is a bad ass.
Speaker 3: I'm going to figure it out, and I'm going to
Speaker 3: do this.
Speaker 2: Not only am I going to figure shit out, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna like dominate. Yeah, and I don't know, you know.
Speaker 2: And her relationship with Snoop Dogg, which is so if
Speaker 2: you look at that you'd be like, oh, wow, that's
Speaker 2: an unexpected friendship.
Speaker 3: But I guess they really are tight, which I love well,
Speaker 3: she seems like the type of person if she.
Speaker 2: Likes you, she likes you right, and she doesn't she
Speaker 2: has no problem telling you.
Speaker 3: That, yeah, or just not speaking to you. Both are good.
Speaker 3: Both are fine.
Speaker 1: What is your favorite method of if somebody is not
Speaker 1: for you? Would you rather just kind of ic them
Speaker 1: out or would you rather be like, hey, I know
Speaker 1: we run.
Speaker 2: I don't say anything. Yeah, you don't exist. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: one of these people that's just like you're deleted from
Speaker 2: my experience on this planet and it doesn't really matter.
Speaker 2: Well what do you do?
Speaker 3: I'm an overthinker? Are you overthinker? Yeah? Like I will
Speaker 3: replay something like, well we.
Speaker 2: All do that. But I'm asking like, if you don't
Speaker 2: like someone, do you tell them or do you just I.
Speaker 1: Think it depends on how close I was with the person.
Speaker 1: Like if somebody wronged.
Speaker 2: Me, well, that's different. That's sticking up for yourself. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I think I hit my limits.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and what I'm not one of those ones that's like,
Speaker 1: oh this time, Like it's like once it's done, it's done.
Speaker 3: I'm not. I am not a dabbler.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think that you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it may take.
Speaker 1: Me a while to get there in any relationships or
Speaker 1: friendships or whatever the situation is.
Speaker 3: But then strangers, like if the stranger's an asshole to me, then.
Speaker 2: No nobody that you don't get my energy for that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't like, I don't care. I don't care
Speaker 3: about that. Is it hard for you to.
Speaker 2: Show resilience in this time in your life? I think
Speaker 2: it's a little bit hard because you don't want to
Speaker 2: be thought of as being mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1: Because then people are like, ah, well, you must be
Speaker 1: fucking nice to be feeling good and blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: Like I don't feel good all the time, and I
Speaker 1: try to show that there's highs and lows, like I
Speaker 1: try to find the good parts of my life, like
Speaker 1: with the kids, with what you were with whatever. But like, yes,
Speaker 1: of course there are moments like yesterday was great. I
Speaker 1: got the pinjury, put me up in that room, like
Speaker 1: it was really nice.
Speaker 3: It was like this beautiful.
Speaker 2: Staycation, Like loved it.
Speaker 1: It made a nesting experience fun because normally, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm you know, and she's out of town or
Speaker 1: so and So's house and I'm but I was able
Speaker 1: to just like have a moment and I didn't. I
Speaker 1: didn't feel sadel like. I felt good. I watched shows.
Speaker 1: I got a massad like it was nice. That being said,
Speaker 1: I'm already starting to think about like New Year's Eve
Speaker 1: with the kids, Like.
Speaker 3: What do you do normally?
Speaker 2: It's like, do you have them?
Speaker 3: I have them for New Year's ey Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: You gotta watch Anderson and Andy and order in. I
Speaker 2: know what I do every year, and I text Andy,
Speaker 2: are you going to drink this year?
Speaker 3: I need I need him to drink.
Speaker 2: He said.
Speaker 3: He was cheer.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sorry if I exposed up, but he said
Speaker 2: it was gonna be good, so I expect it to be.
Speaker 2: I said, if Anderson could get hit in the head
Speaker 2: with that palm tree in a hurricane, you can have
Speaker 2: a cocktail. And I mean that. And I don't care
Speaker 2: what those CNN people say at them. We need a show, CNN,
Speaker 2: we need it.
Speaker 1: And then they start, I like when they drink and
Speaker 1: then they start bickering, or when Anderson's still trying to
Speaker 1: micromanager Andy.
Speaker 2: It's so good. The sheer terror on Anderson's face as
Speaker 2: Andy takes shots makes me so happy.
Speaker 3: It's so good. It's just because I love a micromanager.
Speaker 2: Well you are a micro manager, So I love it.
Speaker 1: So I love to see when other people do it.
Speaker 1: Like it starts with like the hand touch, like right,
Speaker 1: and then you know, and then you start mouthing the
Speaker 1: words you actually want them to say.
Speaker 2: Right, or this this camera, there's a camera.
Speaker 3: This will be everywhere tomorrow.
Speaker 2: But meanwhile, that's the part when Andy cussed out Mayre
Speaker 2: de Blasio. It was It's so epic. It's just a yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, it was just it was brilliant. I really
Speaker 2: need another moment like that, and CNN get off Andy's
Speaker 2: case for that shit. He brings you ratings. Otherwise I
Speaker 2: would not be stuck at home watching this. Yeah, the
Speaker 2: pleasure giving us something to do, right, we're here, I mean,
Speaker 2: who watches the news for the New year'sit? We Dick
Speaker 2: Clark's Rock and Eve.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, we want good stuff, and part of that is
Speaker 1: getting loose, getting a little loose, like especially as I'm
Speaker 1: probably gonna be drinking grape cider with my kids.
Speaker 2: You know what I used to do with my son
Speaker 2: is do that with the Martinelli's spark. Yeah, I love
Speaker 2: it that way. You know, they think that they're doing
Speaker 2: something big. Yeah, and they're not.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not. I'm not that cool. We do
Speaker 3: do East Coast New Year's.
Speaker 2: Oh so you're in bed by twelve, we're in bed
Speaker 2: by nine.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Wow, Well you need to do no thing. I'm watching
Speaker 2: Anderson and Andy. This is my yearly thing. What do
Speaker 2: you think I'm gonna put on some dress and get
Speaker 2: out there. No, I am staying in my living room.
Speaker 3: What will you be by yourself or will you be
Speaker 3: with a friendly No?
Speaker 2: Probably be by myself and my pj's laid up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, ordering what food?
Speaker 2: As shit? I don't know yet. I don't know something bad.
Speaker 2: Well I better not because I have to squeeze into
Speaker 2: this costume. I have to start rehearsals, so I oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: you start. So you need to relax a little bit.
Speaker 1: But I think I think the thing that's hard about
Speaker 1: showing resilience, and I think you know the same, is
Speaker 1: people take it as you not caring.
Speaker 2: And you know what I'm saying, that's to.
Speaker 3: Say, you know, you don't care.
Speaker 2: You're a terrible human. How could you be this way?
Speaker 2: It's like, guys, I'm trying to protect myself and pick
Speaker 2: myself up. I'm sorry if I don't show it in
Speaker 2: a way that you a understand or be appreciate or
Speaker 2: so you just want to be a dick and Jon yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, and it's it's I think all women, unfortunately,
Speaker 2: we get held to a bit of a different standard.
Speaker 2: If you're just trying to pick yourself up, there's no
Speaker 2: right way to do it, You're going to offend someone,
Speaker 2: which is well, you cannot care.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is why I'm really trying not to care.
Speaker 1: You have you can't, and I'm just trying to care
Speaker 1: about like the kids and what matters, like showing up
Speaker 1: to work, my kids, you know.
Speaker 3: Keeping it. But there are gonna like I you can't lie.
Speaker 1: There are moments where I'm like, God, I kind of
Speaker 1: wish I was traveling somewhere for Christmas kids.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I don't have nothing wrong with that. Like
Speaker 3: there's just those like, well, listen, I miss.
Speaker 2: My beautiful home with all the trees and all the
Speaker 2: love that was in that We had fun Inbasadena. I mean,
Speaker 2: it was a great time. I miss all of that.
Speaker 2: But things are different now and I have to make Look,
Speaker 2: my dog's no longer with me, and you know, so
Speaker 2: like it's just me and the tree.
Speaker 3: Yes, so it's Yeave decorated a tree. I think Tam
Speaker 3: said she still hasn't decorated a tree. I'm like, get
Speaker 3: your shit together.
Speaker 2: Tam is late. You are late to the celebration.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I get that you had COVID, but or
Speaker 3: she did.
Speaker 2: Oh god, that's around again.
Speaker 3: I know still exists.
Speaker 2: My god, my dreams five years later, but now the
Speaker 2: bird lose around.
Speaker 3: What are the signs now? I haven't don't say that.
Speaker 2: Remember when I when I was psychotic, Yes.
Speaker 3: You guys thought I had mold poisoning.
Speaker 2: No you thought. No, you guys you were also pregnant
Speaker 2: and not telling us, and we didn't know what was
Speaker 2: wrong with you. So be clear.
Speaker 3: I didn't know I was preggening at first. Oh well,
Speaker 3: I mean it took sixteen weeks before me. Whoa, Yes,
Speaker 3: I didn't know which I was sixteen weeks pregnant. Holy shit,
Speaker 3: Wow geez and the other ones are IBF.
Speaker 2: So you know what resilience dove dove, and then serve
Speaker 2: finger and then the murder at your house and then
Speaker 2: the oh my god, you know what. That's why I
Speaker 2: said at the top of this show, the last five
Speaker 2: years for you and I've just been fucking insane. Here's
Speaker 2: you know what, cheers to us for a peaceful calm
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3: How long do you think we'll make it forever that's
Speaker 3: as peaceful? Yeah, I don't believe you.
Speaker 2: You have to start changing your mind. I'm telling you
Speaker 2: all this neuroscience stuff the way you think you We're
Speaker 2: gonna have to have a real sit down and I'm
Speaker 2: gonna have to convince you that your words and your
Speaker 2: thoughts are gonna be your future. So you cannot say
Speaker 2: that even in joking, Okay.
Speaker 1: Just because what would you say was your biggest aha moment.
Speaker 3: To create that?
Speaker 1: Like, because there was, in lack of a better word,
Speaker 1: when you were kind of getting it on the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you were angry. I've been angry for years. You
Speaker 2: know what my friend Mikey said to me. He said,
Speaker 2: you know, Andy said, you know, Eric is much lighter
Speaker 2: because well, yeah, Erica, you've been fighting for the last
Speaker 2: four years, and even before that, you were fighting to
Speaker 2: hold up the walls of a marriage that was crumbling.
Speaker 2: So they've never really known you as who you really are.
Speaker 2: It's always been in a state of decline and then destruction.
Speaker 2: So I'm sorry, what was your question?
Speaker 1: You're like, shit, hold on, no, but what was that
Speaker 1: moment that you were like, Okay, I'm I'm I'm gonna
Speaker 1: switch off that anger button. I mean, of course it's
Speaker 1: always gonna come up, but like I did see like
Speaker 1: a shift in you as your friend that I was like, okay.
Speaker 2: Well I just stuck it out in therapy. I don't
Speaker 2: know that it was. It was it was a choice
Speaker 2: every day to make incremental steps towards being less angry
Speaker 2: or less reactive. I guess, yeah, and not to respond,
Speaker 2: but to think about how I should respond and not
Speaker 2: allow my emotions or what my therapist calls part X
Speaker 2: run the game, you know, to step back and say,
Speaker 2: hold on, what I'm feeling right now? Is me being
Speaker 2: reactive to a situation? Like is does this really call
Speaker 2: for that? And nine times out of ten the answer
Speaker 2: is no, it doesn't.
Speaker 1: You did say something last week on the pod. You said, well,
Speaker 1: I or maybe it was on the show. I don't
Speaker 1: even know, but you're like, well, yeah, I've been diagnosed
Speaker 1: with things. I'm happy to share what I've been dying
Speaker 1: anxiety depression, anxiety depression, so I'm anxiety and OCD Are
Speaker 1: you really OC?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I don't have that at all, otherwise my house would
Speaker 2: be much.
Speaker 1: No, but mine, sadly, mine is an about things being clean.
Speaker 1: It's about like lists.
Speaker 2: Oh well I can give you something. Let me give
Speaker 2: you some things to list out for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, lists on lists on lists and lists.
Speaker 2: Do you use post it or do you use I have?
Speaker 3: I have a note pad and then I also.
Speaker 2: Have Can we count between that and being organized? I
Speaker 2: mean that just sounds like something I would want to be.
Speaker 3: You want to be until it like keeps you up
Speaker 3: at night?
Speaker 2: Well, how many lists do you? Is it something that
Speaker 2: you keep making these your list over and over the.
Speaker 3: Same list like one little thing?
Speaker 2: What are you looking for when you make it over?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: Is it a SLFE change?
Speaker 1: Like something something small will change where somebody could maybe
Speaker 1: like just and I'm like no, wow, well gotta go
Speaker 1: by this way as long as I can remember.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, so from the time you really so.
Speaker 1: When do you think that your anxiety and depression started
Speaker 1: with when you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it started when I was little. But
Speaker 2: I have my first anxiety attack at thirty years old,
Speaker 2: and I remember what it was because I had to
Speaker 2: go to the hospital. This was long before I was
Speaker 2: on TV or anything. I had taken a medication. I
Speaker 2: had had food poisoning, like really bad food poisoning, and
Speaker 2: I took this medication to make you stop vomiting. So
Speaker 2: fan yeah, and just for me, I had a massive
Speaker 2: anxiety attack and I didn't know what it was. I
Speaker 2: thought I was dying, and it was everything that you think.
Speaker 2: It is, elevated heart rate, you're shallow breathing. And I
Speaker 2: remember being in the emergency room in this very nice
Speaker 2: older doctor looked at me and he goes, you're having
Speaker 2: an anxiety attack. And I literally said to him, I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: what is that excuse? I don't I don't know what
Speaker 2: that is, and he's like okay. And so from there,
Speaker 2: of course, I shoved it under the rug because Tom
Speaker 2: told me, you know what, do you have to be anxiety?
Speaker 2: You know you aren't too happy, look at those place
Speaker 2: like look at your life. You don't reason you have
Speaker 2: no anxiety. It's wrong with you. So I as if
Speaker 2: anxiety is a choice, well exactly, which I didn't know.
Speaker 2: And I was too young to understand an abba k
Speaker 2: for myself and to an experienced end of it, you know,
Speaker 2: So I shoved it under the rug and under the
Speaker 2: rug and under the rug. And then, if you'll recall
Speaker 2: I've shared this before before my marriage blew up like
Speaker 2: in the worst way, you know, I used to uh
Speaker 2: secretly go to therapy because yeah, because I wasn't allowed
Speaker 2: to go to therapy because he, well, something's wrong with you, right,
Speaker 2: something's wrong.
Speaker 3: With me or something sharing something about him.
Speaker 2: Or something was wrong with our marriage, or something was
Speaker 2: wrong with he didn't do enough, so it was insulting
Speaker 2: to him that I would have to go get help.
Speaker 2: But when it had nothing to do with him, he
Speaker 2: took it personally as if havn't I provided enough for you?
Speaker 2: Are you not happy with this life? But the whole
Speaker 2: time it had nothing to do with him and everything
Speaker 2: to do with me. It was unresolved childhood shit and
Speaker 2: a whole bunch of other stuff. So that's my story,
Speaker 2: and that's why doctor Jen has been so important to me.
Speaker 2: And when I was fifty, so I'm fifty three now.
Speaker 2: I remember when I turned fifty, I said, I'm here
Speaker 2: to drop off fifty years of bullshit and I'm going
Speaker 2: full in on this therapy thing.
Speaker 1: Well, I've learned a lot in therapy too, Like there's
Speaker 1: been moments that I take personally. Yeah, like like my
Speaker 1: relationship with money, for example.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's a big one we talk about in therapy, like.
Speaker 3: I will unfreaking hinge me.
Speaker 2: But it does everybody? I asked my therapist. I asked
Speaker 2: doctor gin, I said, does everybody have this? She goes,
Speaker 2: everybody has their own unique relationship to money.
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, I think it was because
Speaker 1: my mom had a lot of money and then you know,
Speaker 1: I lost it all and I saw that happen.
Speaker 3: So I am such a certain way about that.
Speaker 1: So that and then if anybody talks about like my
Speaker 1: relationship with my mom.
Speaker 2: Is that a self side, I can't take it.
Speaker 3: I cannot take it.
Speaker 1: That's okay, And it's it really it's coming up in
Speaker 1: therapy because you know when you talk about things back
Speaker 1: and forth, and I feel myself even getting defensive with
Speaker 1: the therapist.
Speaker 2: That's normal, by the way, Like that's very normal.
Speaker 3: Like she's she must not be hearing what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: That's very normal, by the way. And it's you trying
Speaker 2: to rationalize and yeah, but you know what, the more
Speaker 2: you the fact that you recognize that you're doing that
Speaker 2: will help you overcome it. It's a long road because
Speaker 2: it took a long way to get here. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: gonna take a long way to get back. But just
Speaker 2: stay in it. You'll you'll appreciate it later. Listen, I
Speaker 2: rage on my mom on the television show I Am
Speaker 2: so mean to my mom. And does she deserve it? No?
Speaker 2: But does she deserve it?
Speaker 3: Most?
Speaker 2: Sometimes I think, yeah, she' all don't see the way
Speaker 2: she treats me. But that ain't write either. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: but that ain't write either.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's you know, none of it's always right. We
Speaker 1: can't always have it. Okay, when you think Bravo celebrities
Speaker 1: who show resilience, clearly we can't say ourselves or Temera
Speaker 1: or Kyle or one of the like obvious choices choices
Speaker 1: of our friends.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, one outside of the box.
Speaker 2: That's outside of our box. Here, who you got?
Speaker 1: Uh? One?
Speaker 3: I got?
Speaker 2: This is probably not going to be a popular It
Speaker 2: doesn't matter if it's popular. You just have to admire
Speaker 2: the resilience. I would say, la la kent Yep, it's
Speaker 2: just tough.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 1: Yes, there are times which I hate using this word
Speaker 1: because you guys love to use it against me. There's
Speaker 1: times where her accountability is askew. But what I think that,
Speaker 1: you know, at the end of the day, she stands
Speaker 1: up for her ship.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And it may maybe maybe not in the moment, which
Speaker 1: I don't think we all have the capability of doing.
Speaker 1: But I think she always comes back around yeah and
Speaker 1: does it.
Speaker 3: And I think she's been through a lot.
Speaker 2: She's been through a lot, she's and she's grown a lot,
Speaker 2: and she has a lot. She she's on the right track.
Speaker 2: Like she gets a hard.
Speaker 3: She gets a hard. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Those girls in Jersey are tough. Man.
Speaker 3: I would say Dolores Catania.
Speaker 2: She's sweet like, but she's fun. She's f those women
Speaker 2: because they all have different things going on. I don't
Speaker 2: know the New York girls, so I know the older
Speaker 2: New York girls.
Speaker 1: Oh, can I ask you a question? Yeah? I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess this has nothing to do with resilience. But
Speaker 1: would you be mad? Okay, So we're sitting together. Let's
Speaker 1: pretend we're both married, Okay, and we're talking about one
Speaker 1: of our husband's penises.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you made a joke like about my potential
Speaker 1: husband's penis and I showed you a picture of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, too far, too far, too far.
Speaker 2: I don't need to know. I also don't want to
Speaker 2: know about your husband's penis size. Now, if you're dating somebody,
Speaker 2: I'll be like, oh girl, what's what's going on? Yeah,
Speaker 2: but your husband, Like, that's not a place for me.
Speaker 3: That's actually a good point that I didn't think of.
Speaker 2: That's not a place.
Speaker 1: Funny thing if you're in the early stages and we're
Speaker 1: girl talking, but like, once you're married, you have kids,
Speaker 1: and you have all that.
Speaker 2: It's just I don't need to know. It's none of
Speaker 2: my business. But that's me, you know. I don't need
Speaker 2: to know about what you're doing in the bedroom. I
Speaker 2: don't need to know about that stuff. Now, if you
Speaker 2: want to show me like oh gosh, Erica, you know,
Speaker 2: or if I came to how about this better? I
Speaker 2: came to you and I said look at this, and
Speaker 2: you were like, oh wow, and I said, yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: because when you're single and you're out there, it's completely
Speaker 2: different than if you're married.
Speaker 3: That's not that would you send a nude to who?
Speaker 2: You know, if you were like texting with a guy, yeah,
Speaker 2: with your face in or out? Probably out Yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't think it. I don't need that out there.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I don't think so.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, well so you haven't really given us.
Speaker 2: Don't crack my phone.
Speaker 3: Don't let me guess your code.
Speaker 2: No, I can't so encrypted. You never will. Even the
Speaker 2: government doesn't know.
Speaker 1: Even even the government, Uh, you know, I need the
Speaker 1: government government on my side?
Speaker 3: What there on? No one's side.
Speaker 2: By the way, what's up with those fucking drones in Jersey?
Speaker 3: What's up?
Speaker 1: Not just the drones and Jersey, what's up with the
Speaker 1: fucking cars. I was in Beverly Hills the other day
Speaker 1: with no humans in the.
Speaker 2: This is your this is your absolute brilliant you know
Speaker 2: what you are perfect for. Weymo, Weymo, if you're listening.
Speaker 3: Guess what what? Someone got my number when I was there?
Speaker 2: What do you mean?
Speaker 3: I know? This is crazy.
Speaker 2: So a guy comes phone number.
Speaker 1: So I didn't ask me for the number. He asked
Speaker 1: Justin Sylvester the lady, and he gave it.
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't text Justin you. I know Justice is
Speaker 2: one of my good friends. Well, we get together and
Speaker 2: go to the French place up the street.
Speaker 3: Even your neighbors, I know, I love Justin. He's the
Speaker 3: best ever.
Speaker 1: But I didn't text back fast enough to say no,
Speaker 1: I'm not actually interested in this particular person. So he
Speaker 1: just gave out and the numbers knew by the way,
Speaker 1: so very very few people have this number.
Speaker 3: I have it, but I need and listen.
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna call out this person, but I need
Speaker 1: to read to you.
Speaker 3: What.
Speaker 2: Oh I am so jealous, you bitch up.
Speaker 3: But I couldn't respond because it was so cramped.
Speaker 2: Oh please send it. Oh, please read it right now,
Speaker 2: and then you show me who it is. Oh my,
Speaker 2: oh my god, I'm so delighted. I feel like I'm seven. See,
Speaker 2: I get excited for my friends. This was so nobody
Speaker 2: texted me unless it's really naughty ship.
Speaker 3: No, I couldn't.
Speaker 1: I had Hi, Teddy, this is blank blank. It was
Speaker 1: nice meeting you briefly today at Elpasta with Justin. That's
Speaker 1: let's make a plan and go have fun. We deserve it.
Speaker 3: Br bur Oh now who is you know?
Speaker 2: And it's a Now it's remind me to get my
Speaker 2: eyes checked on.
Speaker 1: Let's make a plan and go have fun.
Speaker 3: I know we don't. No, we're not you know what?
Speaker 1: Can just delete that any that's the screenshot of me
Speaker 1: sending it to Kyle. I didn't actually respond, I deleted.
Speaker 2: Wait what was Kyle's response?
Speaker 1: They both like, that is the worst pickup text I've
Speaker 1: ever seen.
Speaker 3: We deserve it. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, you do deserve it, but maybe not with
Speaker 2: that guy. No, yeah, no, oh Lord.
Speaker 3: To start next thing? How do you navigate the holidays?
Speaker 2: Navigate?
Speaker 3: What? Well?
Speaker 2: Hold on?
Speaker 3: What were you saying? What you got mad on the
Speaker 3: show and you're like, what, oh.
Speaker 2: God, girl, that was when I blew up Kathy Hilton's
Speaker 2: dinner party. Let's just move on Christmas. I don't know,
Speaker 2: can you do the mouth or what? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Or what?
Speaker 2: It was? Years ago? I was going through drama.
Speaker 3: Even though Edwin has the kids on Christmas, even Christmas Day,
Speaker 3: I will, of course you should.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will be with the kid. I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: sleep in the guest room and.
Speaker 2: Do Santa Claus.
Speaker 1: Santa Claus the next day, so I'll come, probably go
Speaker 1: to church with them on Christmas Eve night, Like, are
Speaker 1: you guys Catholic?
Speaker 3: Christian?
Speaker 2: But I need to go to midnight Mass.
Speaker 1: Ours is at six and Pasadena. If you want to come,
Speaker 1: you go to Pasadena well, normally it's in Hollywood, but
Speaker 1: on Christmas they have multiple places.
Speaker 3: Are you gonna drive by your own Yeah?
Speaker 2: No, I'm not gonna drive by my own place. I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna so I can burst into tears, my eyes
Speaker 2: up develop.
Speaker 1: So yes, I'll be with them Christmas Eve, and then
Speaker 1: Christmas Day will do Sanna and then I guess that's
Speaker 1: when I peace out, and then I get them back
Speaker 1: on the New Year's twenty ninth, and I need to
Speaker 1: figure out somewhere to go or somewhere to do.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm available.
Speaker 3: Do you want to take care of all of my
Speaker 3: children with me?
Speaker 2: No? Unless I can get really drunk and be like
Speaker 2: the bad friend Mommy's naughty friend.
Speaker 3: Maybe you're my friend solely on the nesting night.
Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing. After I leave here, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go have a double laser dump by my dermatologist, doctor
Speaker 2: Jason Emmer, so I will be looking like a ghoul. Oh,
Speaker 2: I don't want to scare the kids.
Speaker 1: Well, I went to go get botox the other day,
Speaker 1: the same lady who did my necklift. Yeah, and she
Speaker 1: mentioned that it might be time for me to get
Speaker 1: my eyelids.
Speaker 2: Everybody's doing an Upper Bluff.
Speaker 3: That's what she said.
Speaker 2: Everybody's doing it.
Speaker 3: But do I need it? Do I want it? I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 2: How about we got bigger fish to fry for you
Speaker 2: right now now? I, on the other hand, I need it.
Speaker 3: You do not have hooded eyes. I do. Hold on,
Speaker 3: Look who has bigger hoods?
Speaker 2: I don't know. So I was thinking of going to
Speaker 2: midnight Mass. I told you, did I tell you? I
Speaker 2: was looking at Mass times. I'm Catholic. I'm the only
Speaker 2: Catholic in my family. And I said to my son,
Speaker 2: who was over at my house, I said, why am
Speaker 2: I looking at Mass times? And he's like, you're searching them? Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're really searching for something.
Speaker 3: I like it. I like the worship aspect. I love
Speaker 3: the songs.
Speaker 2: I love that it's beautiful.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Do they bring animals? Like did they do that?
Speaker 3: Oh no? Oh man, but they already did.
Speaker 1: Like the kids performance the Christmas pageant, Yeah, where Cruise
Speaker 1: was the star but he like a star?
Speaker 3: Oh no, he was a star, but he was too
Speaker 3: big for the costumes.
Speaker 2: Do you have pictures of this?
Speaker 3: I have to see we were dying live because he's
Speaker 3: like this.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I love to go.
Speaker 2: I just think it's so special when everybody's kids and families.
Speaker 2: However you worship, you know on Christmas that you know
Speaker 2: that everybody goes and has fun, and it's like the
Speaker 2: one time of the year that you can feel that warmth.
Speaker 2: I think everybody, everybody wants to feel love everybody and
Speaker 2: should I really should. But I'm not going to confession.
Speaker 3: Is your mom coming.
Speaker 2: She's coming out? My mom is in My mom is
Speaker 2: in graduate school. Yeah, no, not for art, and so
Speaker 2: she's coming out here after the first year at cal Arts.
Speaker 2: I know. It's fucking nuts. My mom was in her
Speaker 2: seventies and grad school. My son's going back to school
Speaker 2: to get his masters.
Speaker 3: Did I go back to high school?
Speaker 2: I was going to say, because I never. I'm the
Speaker 2: only one out of my family that did not go
Speaker 2: to college and beyond. So my mom's coming out. So
Speaker 2: she'll be out after the first of the year, and
Speaker 2: then I'll see her and then I go to New
Speaker 2: York for Roxy.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, what shall I'll be going to New
Speaker 3: York then? Too?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: I heard thank you so much. What is your best
Speaker 3: Christmas memory?
Speaker 2: Okay, two things. Christmas Eve was at my grandmother's. We
Speaker 2: always had a really big dinner and then the family
Speaker 2: would exchange gifts, meaning my aunts, my uncles, everybody came over.
Speaker 2: It was a great dinner, and then you went home.
Speaker 2: Santa Claus came the next morning. That's always great. But
Speaker 2: then you went back to my grandmother's for lunch and
Speaker 2: we saw everybody again. So that was probably the coolest thing.
Speaker 2: The lights were on. My grandmother used to make all
Speaker 2: her own well made her own bows, and we would
Speaker 2: wrap and so like a whole thing. It was a
Speaker 2: big deal.
Speaker 1: What about you, Well, when I'm in Indiana, I would say,
Speaker 1: it's it's similar. We're on Christmas Day. We all go
Speaker 1: to my grandpa's. Who's like, I.
Speaker 3: Mean, how old is Richard? Now ninety?
Speaker 1: This is John's dad, my dad's dad who they how
Speaker 1: much ninety looks just like him, but you know, ninety
Speaker 1: ninety two year old version. And I mean he has
Speaker 1: six kids.
Speaker 2: Your dad is one of six?
Speaker 1: Yes, and then all there, I mean one has passed
Speaker 1: away and then they have all their kids and like
Speaker 1: every year, I mean we have it like that. Every
Speaker 1: year we've ever gone where we all sit on the
Speaker 1: stairs like and take and take a pick.
Speaker 3: And then all the kids.
Speaker 1: So it's just really metamorphosed into like now only the
Speaker 1: babies fit on the staircase so many of you.
Speaker 3: And we play a family football game. We do that.
Speaker 2: I've seen that online.
Speaker 1: So that's that's always really fun in regards to like
Speaker 1: my family and stuff that we like to do.
Speaker 3: We're so on the go all the time. Yeah, that
Speaker 3: the ability to.
Speaker 2: Just be is this a big deal?
Speaker 3: But my kids.
Speaker 1: Really do want to see snow this year, so that
Speaker 1: I need to I need to figure that out.
Speaker 2: Dree just took her kids to Salt Lake City.
Speaker 3: That's where they want to go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or park City? Excuse me, park City.
Speaker 1: No, that's where my kids want to go. They want
Speaker 1: to go the day after Christmas and it's only an
Speaker 1: hour flight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty close. You should go.
Speaker 1: Did she go by herself with the kids. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so it's doable for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah it is.
Speaker 3: Do you know some places you go with your kids
Speaker 3: by yourself?
Speaker 2: And then it's no, apparently, like I haven't talked to
Speaker 2: her since she's come home, but I know that that's
Speaker 2: where she was going when I saw her last and all.
Speaker 1: Right, I'm gonna text her give her a text. How
Speaker 1: much would she hate me these days?
Speaker 2: She doesn't.
Speaker 3: Nobody hates you.
Speaker 2: Get off that. Yeah, all right, no more negative self talk.
Speaker 2: I'm fucking serious. You canna stop all that, Erica.
Speaker 1: Oh you're also going to have to know that I'm
Speaker 1: self deprecating by nature only once.
Speaker 2: Like you, You've used up your value. You used up
Speaker 2: your my value, your credit, I said, credit said credits. Goddamn, Erica,
Speaker 2: shut your mouth up. Subconscious raging.
Speaker 3: Do you have an all time favorite Christmas movie?
Speaker 2: Yes? Uh White, uh White Christmas? You know, the one
Speaker 2: with Bing Crosby. Yes, and they go and they save
Speaker 2: the inn from being shut down. It's Rosemary Clooney and
Speaker 2: Vera Gosh, I forget Vera's last name, and it's you
Speaker 2: know I'm dreaming of. It's musical, and yes, we have
Speaker 2: to watch it all the time.
Speaker 3: I pretty much end up always watching the alf because
Speaker 3: of the.
Speaker 2: Of course, that's the kids. See when you come to
Speaker 2: my place with the gays, we get out the champagne
Speaker 2: and the liquor and then recreate all the dance numbers,
Speaker 2: and well that.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 1: But also at the Pinjury, they play Christmas movies from
Speaker 1: five pm on and the Night.
Speaker 2: Oh do you like? I also watch It's a Wonderful Life.
Speaker 2: I know it's kind of corny.
Speaker 3: No, wonderful Life. I love that.
Speaker 1: I like that one Christmas Story I used to like.
Speaker 1: My kids hate it, so we don't watch that.
Speaker 2: Oh they're gonna shoot your eye on. I love with
Speaker 2: the leg. I'm telling you the leg. I love Christmas Story.
Speaker 2: I will watch Gremlins.
Speaker 3: Gremlin is that Halloween?
Speaker 2: No, it takes it. It's it's around because you're thinking
Speaker 2: of Jack Skellingtons. I'll watch that one too. I'll watch
Speaker 2: Home Alone. I love Home Alone, Love Home Alone, love classics.
Speaker 2: Do you bake or cook or are you going to order? Well,
Speaker 2: I've threatened to bake and we're getting our recipes out.
Speaker 2: I have an apron. Listen, guys, it's a big deal. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll bake something.
Speaker 3: What do you what? Are you going to bake?
Speaker 2: Cookies or cakes?
Speaker 1: Okay, dessert, some sort of not like a chicken pop pie.
Speaker 2: No, but I can make a turkey can I have
Speaker 2: a cool glass turkey plot? Yep, it's the one thing
Speaker 2: I can do, guys. I can only make two things.
Speaker 2: I can make a birthday cake from scratch via the
Speaker 2: Magnolia Bakery cookbook. And I can make a turkey. My
Speaker 2: grandmother taught me how to make it.
Speaker 3: So those two things more than I know how to make.
Speaker 2: It's the only two things I can make. So if
Speaker 2: you need it, if you need a birthday came from
Speaker 2: scratch and I can make the frosty, or if you
Speaker 2: need a turkey, which means it's only two times a year.
Speaker 2: I got to show up for this shit.
Speaker 3: But those are two good things to be able to
Speaker 3: bring the.
Speaker 2: Only thing I can make. And I have a cool
Speaker 2: turkey platter that I took specifically from Pasadena.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: And my friends were asking me like, why are you
Speaker 2: taking this, Like we have to leave. I was like,
Speaker 2: but this turkey platter and the dog needs to come.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you never know if I needed.
Speaker 1: It, I'll show you this later in a social But
Speaker 1: my favorite thing to do is thread the popcorn with
Speaker 1: the cranberry.
Speaker 3: I love that on the tree.
Speaker 2: A very southern thing to do, very southern. And do
Speaker 2: you use a thimble because your fingers.
Speaker 3: Because then if not, you poke through your fingers and.
Speaker 2: Her fingers get hurt.
Speaker 1: But here's also the thing pro to for those of
Speaker 1: you with young kids. It takes a long time, so
Speaker 1: they can be busy.
Speaker 3: They're booked up.
Speaker 2: That's a good thing. And that's because they get sugared
Speaker 2: up around this time of the year two and I
Speaker 2: want to make her she kisses cookies.
Speaker 1: Oh, that would be good. I would come over for those. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought I come over to you.
Speaker 2: You have a bigger Oh no, no.
Speaker 3: It depends if i'm depends if I'm nesting or not.
Speaker 1: Hold on, it's Army Hammer's place available right now.
Speaker 2: No, the real people live in that. But he has
Speaker 2: a podcast called Army Hammer Time. No. I watched his
Speaker 2: mom on it.
Speaker 3: It's wild.
Speaker 2: I living in like a very humble abode.
Speaker 1: Well, that's how he had to sell his truck at CarMax. CarMax,
Speaker 1: if you'd like to reach out, I'm open for your car.
Speaker 2: Are you really we don't even drive?
Speaker 3: What the fuck?
Speaker 2: Don't swindle Carmacks?
Speaker 3: Well listen, No, my car is pretty big. I don't
Speaker 3: know car. Do you have a Lincoln like extended Lincoln.
Speaker 2: Like a Navigator something?
Speaker 3: Yes, it's so big.
Speaker 2: What are you doing with that?
Speaker 1: Because I thought that I was gonna drive more and
Speaker 1: I don't, and so I just need something that's up
Speaker 1: around with the kids, fit in.
Speaker 2: But whatever, whatever you need to go electric like I did,
Speaker 2: I don't like it.
Speaker 1: Why it's fast, I get I feel really nauseous in
Speaker 1: the Tesla.
Speaker 2: We'll get in the Porsche.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, let me get right on that. Right after
Speaker 3: I'm done with every lawyer.
Speaker 2: Bill Oh no, no, no, no, no no no.
Speaker 1: After my god only after my only fans page takes off,
Speaker 1: I'll go ahead and get that porch I want.
Speaker 2: So then CarMax, CarMax set us up. Hit her up, Porsche,
Speaker 2: hit me up.
Speaker 3: Let's see favorite Christmas gifts from your ex. Ah, I
Speaker 3: can tell you a funny one.
Speaker 2: Okay, So one year I said, Tom, you know what
Speaker 2: I want for Christmas is a toolbox. And I literally
Speaker 2: meant like this little thing I saw at home depot,
Speaker 2: which was a hammer, and you know, cause you need
Speaker 2: like a screwdriver and a hammer at a big house,
Speaker 2: so the finials on the doors. So I just wanted that.
Speaker 2: This man went to see you. I know, he didn't
Speaker 2: do it. His driver did it, and bought me an
Speaker 2: automotive car tool set from snap On Tools. And it
Speaker 2: weighed a thousand pounds and he's like, look, I got
Speaker 2: the biggest one. I said, Tom, this is for cars, like,
Speaker 2: I don't change oil like, I'm not a mechanic, and
Speaker 2: he literally looks at me. We cried for fifteen minutes.
Speaker 2: It was funny. I said, I just wanted the little.
Speaker 3: Like thing to do the house.
Speaker 2: I asked for the top of the line. I said, Tom,
Speaker 2: I am not a mechanic. That shows you how disconnected
Speaker 2: the man was. He was just like Jose go, go,
Speaker 2: go and get Erica some tools and he said okay,
Speaker 2: went to Sears and came back with snap on tools
Speaker 2: and it was literally rapped and the shit was heavy
Speaker 2: and it was wrapped up under the tree.
Speaker 3: What's that home improvement? And that's what I'm picturing now? Yeah, Well,
Speaker 3: I just want what about you?
Speaker 2: What I mean, Tom, God bless you, My God got
Speaker 2: the man truly was checked out and got me an
Speaker 2: automotive toolkit. I do not do oil changes.
Speaker 1: Edwin was more like a Stacker gift type of person like,
Speaker 1: and I didn't mind it. It would be like I
Speaker 1: am going to do something for your anniversary, this, this,
Speaker 1: and it all kind of became one bigger gift that No,
Speaker 1: that is what he did, which.
Speaker 2: Is just once a year you and what was it?
Speaker 3: It would depend like on the situation.
Speaker 1: Which here's what I started saying, which was please at
Speaker 1: least like write me a letter or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, why don't you send me a card or like
Speaker 2: have the.
Speaker 3: Kids get me little things with drawing?
Speaker 2: But a Starbucks give?
Speaker 3: I mean I was.
Speaker 2: I hate something that just acknowledges the fact. Well, this
Speaker 2: is a question.
Speaker 1: I've gotten a bunch and now I need to ask
Speaker 1: you what this is not Christmas gifts? This is just
Speaker 1: gifts or I don't know if a wedding ring is
Speaker 1: considered a gift.
Speaker 2: I don't. Oh you're a lawyer, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Where is yours? When do you think, like do you
Speaker 1: think people after I have to give it back?
Speaker 2: No? I think if you give someone a gift, that's it.
Speaker 2: I don't give with if I gave you something, I
Speaker 2: gave it to you, I don't.
Speaker 3: But would you ever wear it again?
Speaker 2: I don't think. So.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's discuss a little self care during the holidays.
Speaker 1: How do you treat yourself when you have time off?
Speaker 3: Ah?
Speaker 2: Okay, how do I treat myself when I have time off?
Speaker 3: Can I ask you to ask you a question?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Because when Andy asks what she always does, which
Speaker 1: it really irritates some housewives, and some housewives just answer
Speaker 1: very authentically when he asks about plastic surgery. Yeah, I've
Speaker 1: noticed you will sometimes get annoyed. Yeah, but then when
Speaker 1: we're talking about it, like even on the show, like
Speaker 1: you're fine with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the way you ask me, okay, yeah, because
Speaker 2: I don't think that it requires an answer. If I
Speaker 2: volunteer the information, if I want to share it, I
Speaker 2: should be able to share it because at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, it's like my choice to do so, right.
Speaker 3: Right, Well, what is your thought when somebody lies about it?
Speaker 3: Like if somebody said to.
Speaker 1: Me, I don't care, you wouldn't care, but I would
Speaker 1: feel weird lying about having a necklift, like to me,
Speaker 1: like I had one, yeah, and I've been very open
Speaker 1: about it and my next significantly changed. I wouldn't want
Speaker 1: to lie to people that follow me on Instagram or
Speaker 1: anything and be like, oh, no, I was just doing this.
Speaker 2: But I think that No, but I think that's your choice.
Speaker 2: I don't think that everybody has to do that. Like
Speaker 2: if I came in here with a facelift and you said, oh, Erica,
Speaker 2: did you have a facelift, and I go, yeah, I
Speaker 2: had a facelift. Like it's I've said I've had a
Speaker 2: nose job. I said, I've had it, you know my
Speaker 2: boomstead No once, but twice I need to do it again.
Speaker 3: I'm too Should we get joint?
Speaker 2: I don't know you're going to work as a deal.
Speaker 2: Do we have to be on Instagram for these free tits?
Speaker 3: Yesh? We do free titch on the ground.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I don't know about that. Everybody got
Speaker 2: their teeth done there.
Speaker 3: I don't know mine are there?
Speaker 2: Why was I not?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 2: What was the point of your question?
Speaker 1: No, the point of the question was in regards to
Speaker 1: self care or a surgery. How much do you think
Speaker 1: somebody is required to share?
Speaker 2: Well, I feel differently because now you're talking about somebody's health,
Speaker 2: Like how much of that do you disclose? And I
Speaker 2: know that you feel very differently about like even having melanoma,
Speaker 2: and you feel that way. But what if somebody had
Speaker 2: melanoma they didn't want to.
Speaker 3: Say anything, right, See, So it's a personal.
Speaker 2: Choice, that's my point in making. So even if someone says,
Speaker 2: oh my god, it's so obvious you've had your nose done, Okay,
Speaker 2: but let that person tell you. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1: What was the moment you decided I'm going to get
Speaker 1: my nose done because you did it later in life?
Speaker 2: Right, I was in my forties. I didn't have botox
Speaker 2: until I was in my forties.
Speaker 3: I mean I think I got botox in my early twenties.
Speaker 2: I did not.
Speaker 3: I got botox after I was forty forty one.
Speaker 2: So what was the I didn't my nose was I
Speaker 2: had always been told my nose was wide and that
Speaker 2: the tip of myn was trying pulling down pre Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's just it was wide. And I remember an agent
Speaker 2: telling me I should have a nose job at sixteen,
Speaker 2: and I didn't do it. I didn't even know what
Speaker 2: a nose job was, so I just never did it.
Speaker 2: And then when I got older, you know, your nose
Speaker 2: and your ears grow, Yeah, and it got bigger, and
Speaker 2: I thought, you know what, it could get slimmed down.
Speaker 2: I do to do it again. I would do it
Speaker 2: again too.
Speaker 3: So you don't regret it.
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, No, I don't regret anything I've ever done
Speaker 2: to my body.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, I don't regret my necklift, not for one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks great.
Speaker 3: I love.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I read the symptoms of breast and plant illness
Speaker 1: and I start diagnosing myself.
Speaker 2: With no, you don't have that, or wouldn't be able
Speaker 2: to keep the schedule you keep. I don't think anyway.
Speaker 3: But other than that, like, I have no regrets.
Speaker 2: I really needed breast implants. I had one that was
Speaker 2: bigger than the other, and I'm really glad. I've loved
Speaker 2: my result both times.
Speaker 1: Well, now for my next pair, because I'm duing because
Speaker 1: I'm over ten years me too. Once I had my
Speaker 1: melon up my final like big melano by the congratulations,
Speaker 1: thank you? Do you feel good?
Speaker 3: I feel good. I was ready for it to be.
Speaker 1: I mean that was like, that's not what that was
Speaker 1: over two years just bad, bad, bad. But when they
Speaker 1: did the skin graph and they pulled all my skin
Speaker 1: like on my back and pulled it up over my shoulder.
Speaker 1: Now one of my boobs is like up here.
Speaker 2: At higher and this side is skinnier, I'm like, does
Speaker 2: it hurt.
Speaker 3: It doesn't hurt. It's like numb.
Speaker 2: Oh you have nomb okay, yeah in the back right
Speaker 2: in the bat in the back there.
Speaker 1: But I like crack up all the time when I
Speaker 1: like stand in the mirror. I'm like, this side has
Speaker 1: like this whole angle, beautiful curve.
Speaker 3: I'm like, my cancer side is looking good.
Speaker 2: My my my regular, my regular side is a little
Speaker 2: frunked out. Well, we need to get user a little.
Speaker 2: We need to get you a plastic surgeon to even
Speaker 2: you out.
Speaker 3: Well. I think that's what I do when I get
Speaker 3: my newbies. But I gotta get a mammogram.
Speaker 2: Here's also a thing for the I'm for mammogram myself.
Speaker 2: Please get your mammogram.
Speaker 1: New Year's reminders, mammogram, skin check, skin chat check, mold check.
Speaker 3: Uh, get your.
Speaker 1: Eyes checked, get you know what, an ocular exam. When
Speaker 1: was the last time you did that?
Speaker 2: It's funny you should say. My eye doctor canceled my
Speaker 2: appointment on me in November, and I need to reschedule
Speaker 2: because I I think I need reading glasses and I'm
Speaker 2: just not.
Speaker 3: I can't.
Speaker 2: I'm over it.
Speaker 3: You're gonna need it.
Speaker 2: Stop.
Speaker 1: I have to wear reading I have to wear far
Speaker 1: glasses with closed glasses.
Speaker 2: We already had lasik once.
Speaker 3: Oh see, I don't qualify for lasik.
Speaker 2: I had lasik once and I think it's why I
Speaker 2: have dry eye, but maybe not. But yeah, so now
Speaker 2: I have to read, like I'm fifty.
Speaker 1: Three, but how much are you reading? I do a
Speaker 1: lot of audiobook listening.
Speaker 2: Well, I used to read a lot, and I want
Speaker 2: to do that again without getting a migraine. So hence
Speaker 2: I need glasses because I'm at that place where the
Speaker 2: eyeball's hurt.
Speaker 3: Can you see can you go from the remote to
Speaker 3: the television?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely, But it's like the finer It's like
Speaker 2: the finer print on boxes and things. Let's say this
Speaker 2: was let's sit down right, No, I can rebrown. Let's
Speaker 2: say that we had a white box with silver printing.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, wait, now that's just brags, you know. Sometimes
Speaker 2: some of the ingredients, I'm like, what the that say?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And then I like to scroll at nighttime, so I
Speaker 2: think my eyeball is just like well.
Speaker 3: Also, sometimes I'll forget and I'll turn.
Speaker 1: Down my yes you're light light, and then the next
Speaker 1: day I feel like I've gone blind.
Speaker 3: I'm like I can't see anything, and them I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, oh yeah, I straight.
Speaker 3: Plus, now I have the privacy screen. Do you have that?
Speaker 2: I should have one?
Speaker 3: Can you see my text right now?
Speaker 2: No, bitch, I can't. I can see that you've opened
Speaker 2: a window, but you can't. I can't see anything good
Speaker 2: because you know, I saw a guy cheating on his
Speaker 2: wife on Southwest. Yeah, on my way to Vegas, had
Speaker 2: his phone open, and I almost said, like, Yo, this.
Speaker 3: Is going to backfire.
Speaker 2: Dude, don't be you know you need a privacy screen.
Speaker 3: Now, you shouldn't be doing this.
Speaker 2: You needn't I need a privacy screen. I can tell
Speaker 2: this is going to be a great weekend for you.
Speaker 2: I was doing bed at all on Blonde in my
Speaker 2: residency in Vegas. I was flying there and the guy
Speaker 2: we were flying all Southwest and the guy next to
Speaker 2: me and I was in the aisle. The guy next
Speaker 2: to me on his aisle, he had his phone open
Speaker 2: and he was texting his Vegas moment, his Vegas girl,
Speaker 2: And I was like, yeah, I can see everything over there,
Speaker 2: and you need a privacy screen. I'm not going to
Speaker 2: get into anybody's morals. I'm just trying to.
Speaker 3: Help you out, Like, just figure it out. I'll close
Speaker 3: that up a little smaller.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, it was pictures and stuff, not racy, you know,
Speaker 2: Just like I'm so excited.
Speaker 3: I love that. We'll just go deep down the rabbit
Speaker 3: hole of somebody we don't know their name.
Speaker 2: I can't help it. It was right there.
Speaker 3: No, but you realized that then I would have to
Speaker 3: figure out who he was on Instagram.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would left it right now.
Speaker 3: I would have had to find the wife.
Speaker 1: Then I would have had to go through and figure
Speaker 1: out who his brother was and his sister.
Speaker 3: I can't help myself. I can't. I can't do that.
Speaker 3: I had a show to do.
Speaker 2: Well, do you have anything planned? Are you going to
Speaker 2: get a facial? Are you gonna go hiking? Are you
Speaker 2: gonna have a girl's night out with Kyle in the attic?
Speaker 2: Are you going to pack up and go to Aspen?
Speaker 3: You know what? I actually I was thinking that maybe
Speaker 3: you and I could do something special. What Yeah, I
Speaker 3: don't know. Oh my gosh, don't know what we could do.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I'm gonna look crazy.
Speaker 1: But maybe we should go somewhere like in in conspicuous,
Speaker 1: like Craigs.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's it, because what that requires glam? I
Speaker 2: know what, one of these low budget nights.
Speaker 1: Well make us pay. Maybe we do the Pendry. Maybe
Speaker 1: we have some sort of holiday at the Pendry and
Speaker 1: we'll go live.
Speaker 3: We will go live with no glam. But here's the
Speaker 3: problem done.
Speaker 2: I'm getting my face burned off in like an hour.
Speaker 2: Don't be telling people we're going live.
Speaker 3: Listen.
Speaker 2: I know, hell, I need better heal from this.
Speaker 3: I need to get some laser. I have downtime now. Guys.
Speaker 1: We don't have another pod for two weeks and then
Speaker 1: I'm going to New York for Chicago.
Speaker 2: I book you off. You are booked and ready and
Speaker 2: blessed and well.
Speaker 3: Happy New Year's guys.
Speaker 1: We'll be back after the holidays to talk all things
Speaker 1: Diamonds in the Rough.
Speaker 3: Let us know anything else you'd like us to discuss,
Speaker 3: and you.
Speaker 2: Know what, We're going to discuss our twenty twenty five intentions.
Speaker 2: I don't say resolutions, I say intentions. I agree because
Speaker 2: I intend on you having better self talk.
Speaker 3: Thanks you guys for tuning in to another episode of
Speaker 3: Diamonds in the Rough with myself, Teddy Mellencamp.
Speaker 2: And Erica Jane. Thank you for listening, and we hope
Speaker 2: you enjoy it.
Speaker 3: Happy holidays and get your tickets for Chicago.
Speaker 2: That's right, January twentieth through February ninth, and happy holidays, everybody.
Speaker 3: I'll be there. Yay