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Speaker 1: Stop treating Underdog like a lottery ticket and start treating

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Speaker 1: it like a bank account. The problem is most users

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Speaker 1: smart numbers. And today we're going to reveal the math secret,

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Speaker 1: the specific reason why you're building slips wrong and you're

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Speaker 2: You want to put it in your pocket.

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Speaker 1: So Joe Madden and I are going to help you

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Speaker 1: get to a better progress here when it comes to

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Speaker 1: Underdog in that system. So Joe, let's just jump in

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Speaker 1: with two feet here when we're talking about Underdog. I

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Speaker 1: know it's something the last couple of years is grown

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Speaker 1: a lot of people aren't necessarily making the best investments

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Speaker 1: when they play. So what is the optamal number of

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Speaker 1: legs to a bet on an underdog fantasy bet slip?

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Speaker 2: How would you approach that?

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Speaker 3: Well, most people would think it was two right, looking

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Speaker 3: at two legs, you think the chances that I'm hitting

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Speaker 3: are fifty to fifty looking at those slips, But it's

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Speaker 3: not the case when you bet here on Underdog. When

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Speaker 3: you're looking at Underdog, you want to do a three

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Speaker 3: leg because that's a six time maltier. A five leg

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Speaker 3: it's a twenty time multiplier. Your payouts are just so

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Speaker 3: much better. If you're betting only a two leg slip,

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Speaker 3: you're looking at having to win fifty seven point eight

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Speaker 1: All right, So obviously that that's a big part of it.

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Speaker 1: The multipliers are huge, and that's a big separator too

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Speaker 1: new to Underdog as well. I don't know when you

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Speaker 1: on Underdog that maybe you felt like, oh, I wish

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was really looking at those insurance bets as well,

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Speaker 3: seeing if I should put the insurance bet on the

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Speaker 3: three lagger, which I just don't think you should, Joe.

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Speaker 3: If you're looking at a four or five lagger, putting

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Speaker 3: looking at when you pick those players, where to find

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Speaker 3: there with underdog, you are implied odds are around minus

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Speaker 4: Each of those players.

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Speaker 3: So if you're taking a player that on a standard

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Speaker 1: All right, So there you have it now for you,

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Speaker 1: I know you're a big hockey person. I know you've

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Speaker 1: You're big in NFL. For you, did you notice in

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Speaker 2: But there are certain.

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Speaker 3: Market you're able to put a lot more of correlation

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And just so you know, as people find the

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Speaker 1: to underdog, correlations are something that we have tools for

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Speaker 2: Two let's talk a little bit more soon.

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Speaker 1: About the real world trends too and correlations, right, because

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Speaker 4: Yeah, maximizing those.

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Speaker 3: I love when you look at the four times with insurance,

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Speaker 4: And then if you do have the insurance.

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Speaker 3: In, you have to be able to hit three of

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Speaker 3: You don't want to look at Lebron James one night

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and of course obviously different sports, you know, and

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Speaker 1: And also, you know, again you're talking about taking sides

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Speaker 1: What's another best practice if you have one, you know

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Speaker 3: That's just that's the worst thing you can do.

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Speaker 3: It's not like a traditional parlay because those implied odds

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