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Speaker 1: Welcome back. In second hour of Clay and Buck. We've

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Speaker 1: Stitt is with us. Governor, appreciate you making the time

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Speaker 1: for us. Thanks for coming back on Clay and Buck.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely great to be with you guys.

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Speaker 1: All Right, So we're talking a lot today about the

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Speaker 1: very prominent and now the media will say controversial. Trump

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Speaker 1: planned to begin deportations on a much accelerated, much vaster

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Speaker 1: and law enforcement priorities pushing this meaning people who are

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Speaker 1: criminal illegal aliens at the top of the list for deportation.

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Speaker 1: You've unveiled in your state operation, Guardian, tell us about

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Speaker 1: this program, how it work in Oklahoma as it unfolds,

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Speaker 1: and also how you plan to have the state work

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Speaker 1: with the federal government the Trump administration to finally restore

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Speaker 1: some law and order when it comes to illegal immigration.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Well, first off, I mean, it's just an optimistic

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just total common sense if we have

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Speaker 2: because we're a law in order state. But now with

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Speaker 4: Governor, appreciate you coming on. I'm sure you've already seen

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Speaker 4: a lot of Democrat governors saying we're not going to

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Speaker 4: How do you think that will play out? And how

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think Americans are too smart for that.

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Speaker 2: and it was amazing, Like I think the day after

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Speaker 2: the popular vote, three hundred and twelve electoral votes, and

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Speaker 1: Are there sanction I know you're in a very red state,

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, yeah, we're not a sanctuary state at all.

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Speaker 4: When you look at you mentioned that, you can feel

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Speaker 4: But I got some stats here for you, Governor. Uh,

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Speaker 2: You know, I really can. I'm the vice chair this

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Speaker 2: and I'm surprised how they are all telling me, yes,

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Speaker 1: Just speaking to Governor Kevin Stitt of Oklahoma. Governor, how

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Speaker 1: what is the cost to the people of Oklahoma just

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So you know, I've had our team go back

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Speaker 2: lot of work there. But there's five hundred and twenty

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Speaker 1: Read something just so I read something, and it's almost

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Speaker 3: Is that correct? I mean for the year, that is correct.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's going to cost us between twenty to

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Speaker 2: And that's just saddled directly on the state taxpayers. That's

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Speaker 1: So tens of millions of dollars being spent by taxpayers

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Speaker 2: That is exactly right, that's correct. So and then you

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Speaker 4: Governor, we know that Barack Obama recently Bill Clinton, Democrat

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Speaker 2: You know, I think they've gone too far. I don't

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Speaker 1: Finding incarcerating, sending back the country of origin. This is

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Speaker 4: What we're saying is Obama around three million flying out

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Speaker 5: Well, great to be with you, Buck and Client's I mean,

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Speaker 5: obviously causing them pain at home, although they seem to

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Speaker 5: be willing to manage. It's making them more dependent on China,

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Speaker 5: it's closing them off from the Western Europe, so I think,

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Speaker 5: you know, and Putin has seemed to be at least

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Speaker 5: open and his lieutenants like Peskov to at least some

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Speaker 5: you know, hearing out the proposals. And this war has

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Speaker 5: been going on for almost three years. So you know,

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Speaker 5: I very much hope and I think you've seen, frankly,

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Speaker 5: the reality obviously, you know, sort of lemming like you

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Speaker 5: had the Western leaders and Biden saying, oh, this wark In,

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Speaker 5: It's got to go on as long as it takes.

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Speaker 5: And then as soon as Trump receives this decisive electoral

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Speaker 5: mandate from the American people, ol Off Schultz, the Chancellor

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Speaker 5: of Germany, is calling Putin and you see the shift

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Speaker 5: in the popular opinion in Ukraine. So what it looks

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Speaker 5: like exactly, I don't know. I don't want to get

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Speaker 5: ahead of the president for sure, but I think we've

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Speaker 5: got to be realistic. This to me again, guys, is

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Speaker 5: what I would stress is I think we've got to

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Speaker 5: calibrate we as the American people, have got to calibrate expectations.

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Speaker 5: Things are being left in such a bad state by

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Speaker 5: the Biden Harris administration that we've got to be realistic.

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Speaker 3: You know, you're not.

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Speaker 5: You know, the Russians have spilled an enormous amount of blood,

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Speaker 5: and yes, an aggressive and unjustified attack into Ukraine. But

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Speaker 5: this is the real world, and we would be better

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Speaker 5: off dealing with the real world, as President Trump is

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Speaker 5: always pointing out and having made, you know, avoided this conflict,

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Speaker 5: rather than the kind of moralism of Joe Biden than

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Speaker 5: Tony Blinkett. And what I would say is on the

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Speaker 5: NATO issue, I mean, I personally don't think that Ukraine should.

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Speaker 3: Be in NATO.

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Speaker 5: So I don't know why we would reserve the right

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Speaker 5: even for twenty years. I mean, what's the point of

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Speaker 5: reserving something for twenty years. I mean that's like way

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Speaker 5: down the pike and strategic planning and diplomacy terms. So

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Speaker 5: I think we should be prepared to negotiate on a

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Speaker 5: range of issue use in order to bring this conflict

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Speaker 5: to an end.

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Speaker 1: Bridge. I see something troubling that I know the income

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Speaker 1: and Trump administration is going to have to confront and

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Speaker 1: hopefully untangle. It seems that there is an axis, a

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Speaker 1: de facto actis that is forming UH. And you can

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Speaker 1: almost see it like a like a cycle or or

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Speaker 1: like some kind of an assembly line. You've got Russia

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Speaker 1: selling its oil, a lot of it to China and

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Speaker 1: to other actors. UH. And you've got North Korean soldiers

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Speaker 1: who are fighting now on the front lines in Russia.

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Speaker 1: You've got Iranian drones, uh, the shah Head drones being

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Speaker 1: used on the front lines in Ukraine. Uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: or rather that's also where the North Koreans are fighting

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Speaker 1: obviously in Ukraine, but on behalf of the Russians. And

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Speaker 1: so you have all this, I don't want to say,

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Speaker 1: these kind of oppositional states that are collaborating and seeming

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Speaker 1: to get closer militarily and economically Russia, China, Iran, North Korea.

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Speaker 1: Then we've seen in a long time, and I think

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Speaker 1: I think that's worrisome. How do you see that? And

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Speaker 1: how do you think Trump can approach that?

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Speaker 5: Well, it's very worrisome, and I think I mean, I

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Speaker 5: hate the term acxis of evil because it harkens back

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Speaker 5: to the disastrous policy of the early two thousands. But there,

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Speaker 5: you know, I call it like a counter coalition or something.

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Speaker 5: That's sort of a lame way of putting in Excuse me,

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Speaker 5: but I think you're absolutely right that there is a

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Speaker 5: coalition of states that have come together frankly, have Biden

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Speaker 5: his policy, you know, through the rhetoric, through its behavior

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Speaker 5: has actually driven them further and further, and the administration

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Speaker 5: has sort of admitted that. Blinkett has admitted that the

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Speaker 5: Russians have been helping the Iranians. They've been helping the

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Speaker 5: Chinese on things like submarine warfare, which is very important,

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Speaker 5: the North Korean nuclear missile program. Of course, you mentioned

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Speaker 5: the other things in the other direction. So I think, look,

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Speaker 5: what can we do. I think we can be selective

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Speaker 5: about how we apply our military so we're strong in

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Speaker 5: the right places, particularly Asia. I think we can get

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Speaker 5: our allies to do more and really do that. And

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Speaker 5: you already see that happening. You see Trump. You know,

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Speaker 5: common sense breaking out all over the place with Trump's election,

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Speaker 5: Taiwan saying it might spend more on defense, Germany moving

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Speaker 5: in that direction, hopefully maybe the United Kingdom, Australia, et cetera.

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Speaker 5: That's another piece. And then a more pragmatic and flexible

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Speaker 5: diplomacy that hearkens back to the successful Republican foreign policy

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Speaker 5: of Reagan, Nixon, Ike, et cetera, which is being Jim

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Speaker 5: Baker is being prepared to negotiate with our rivals and opponents.

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Speaker 3: Both to avoid conflict.

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Speaker 5: Excuse me, but also to potentially, you know, drive Wedges

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Speaker 5: is a little ambitious, but maybe create fissures and uncertainties

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Speaker 5: amongst them. That causes problems, and that I think is

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Speaker 5: kind of how we go. If you look at how

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Speaker 5: say the Indians conduct their foreign policy, it's much more

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Speaker 5: successful than the Joe Biden approach.

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Speaker 4: Bridge. How much do you think and I know we've

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Speaker 4: talked about this before, but putin invading Ukraine Hamas attacking

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Speaker 4: Israel on October seven was just complete and total disrespect

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Speaker 4: for Joe Biden in the wake of our withdrawal from Afghanistan.

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Speaker 4: And how much do you you think merely Trump being

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Speaker 4: elected changes the calculus of Americans foreign policy adversary adversaries,

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Speaker 4: whether it's China, Russia, Ron or North Korea.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think I think it's a big, a big one.

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Speaker 5: And I think, you know, the Afghanistan thing is very

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Speaker 5: important and it was a seminal event. But I think

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Speaker 5: sometimes some of the kind of neo conservative voices say, oh,

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Speaker 5: it's such a disaster, we should have stayed there till

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Speaker 5: the end of time. I don't think that's right, and

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Speaker 5: that's what President Trump has said as well. I think

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Speaker 5: what Afghanistan showed is it told people a lot about

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Speaker 5: Joe Biden and how he would make decisions. And I

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Speaker 5: think Donald Trump's a very different guy. He's tough, he's

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Speaker 5: an unpredictable, but he's also prepared and he's prepared to

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Speaker 5: do tough and sharp and nasty things in some circumstances.

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Speaker 5: He's going to put the American people first. He's willing

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Speaker 5: to break China excuse me, so to speak to to

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Speaker 5: to achieve successful outcomes. But he's also prepared to negotiate

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Speaker 5: and be flexible. So I think you could see quite

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Speaker 5: significant changes right away. And I think you already see that,

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Speaker 5: both on the part of our allies, but also on

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Speaker 5: the part of potential opponents.

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Speaker 3: The fact that he's willing to talk to potentially putin

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Speaker 3: Kim Jong lun, Hi Jin Pink. That's good.

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Speaker 5: That gives us leverage, it gives us a negotiating space,

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Speaker 5: and it creates tensions among them.

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Speaker 1: Bridge, Colby, everybody Bridge hoping that you will perhaps be

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Speaker 1: helping the incoming Trump administration prevent world War three, which

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Speaker 1: I think is a bipartisan like we can all get

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Speaker 1: behind that, like let's not do World War three. And

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Speaker 1: I hope you can.

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Speaker 3: Have an role in behind that well. But I'm honored friends.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, no, world War three and Bridge.

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Speaker 5: I want to try to avoid World War three. I'm

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Speaker 5: into that, guys.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I figure you're down with it. I'm just gonna

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Speaker 1: give you. I want to give you some tactical advice now, Bridge,

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Speaker 1: ginger fresh ginger graded hot water, A little bit of honey,

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Speaker 1: gonna help with that.

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Speaker 3: Throat a lot.

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Speaker 1: You got to take care of yourself, buddy out there

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Speaker 1: talking and stopping wars. But strategy denial is his book,

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Speaker 1: Bridge Colby, thanks for being with us.

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Speaker 4: the greatest American soccer player to scol goals ever, before

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Speaker 4: all is said and done, that he would decide Buck

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Speaker 4: to celebrate his goals last night against Jamaica by doing

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Speaker 4: the Trump dance. Even soccer now has given itself over

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Speaker 4: young men. I've got a theory for you, Buck. Young

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Speaker 4: men have embraced Trump like we have never in our

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Speaker 4: lives see young men embrace a United States president.

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Speaker 1: Well, they have somebody that they can respect and that

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Speaker 1: speaks to their issues and that makes them feel comfortable

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Speaker 1: with being men or being young young men. This is

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Speaker 1: a big difference. You think about who the Democrat Party

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Speaker 1: has elevated, you know, the kind of people who were

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Speaker 1: obsessed over the last decade with putting pronouns in everything

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Speaker 1: and with uh, with talking about you know, how how

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Speaker 1: the best thing is, you know, everyone needs to be

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Speaker 1: girl bosses and just all this gender uh, this sort

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Speaker 1: of gender ideology, not even just the trand stuff, but

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Speaker 1: the gender ideology overall, and and the toxic masculinity talk

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Speaker 1: and the constant downgrading and and and down talking about

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Speaker 1: masculinity uh as as a cultural not just a cultural phenomenon,

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Speaker 1: cultural demand. Really, it was like you had to do this.

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Speaker 1: I think that young men have had enough of that crap,

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Speaker 1: and I think that that's what you're seeing now and

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Speaker 1: you can't in the you know, you can't have a

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Speaker 1: sports realm clay where people are objectively lying to their

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Speaker 1: audiences talking about the commentary side. And it's just like

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Speaker 1: with Morning Morning, Joe said Trump is Hitler, and now

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Speaker 1: we're finding out they don't actually think he's Hitler ESPN.

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Speaker 1: I would ask you this because I was fascinated because

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Speaker 1: I do not care at all about the sports commentary

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Speaker 1: world except for a few very great people. Well, but

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Speaker 1: generally I have no idea. You said, they're so left

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Speaker 1: wing that they wouldn't say that, you know, the trans

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Speaker 1: thing in sports now they're on the wrong side of

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Speaker 1: that too, because no one's going to go forward with

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Speaker 1: this publicly in the you know, in the sort of

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Speaker 1: general mass appeal sense and not be ridiculed.

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Speaker 4: I've got a good thesis that I'm gonna share with

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Speaker 4: you at the start of the next hour. How did

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Speaker 4: young men and this is supported by the data, how

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Speaker 4: did young men so overwhelmingly break Trump in twenty twenty four. Buck,

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Speaker 4: I think you're gonna like this thesis. I wrote a

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Speaker 4: column about it. It's up on OutKick, and it's up

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Speaker 4: on foxnews dot com. My thesis is, this is the

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Speaker 4: lasting impact of COVID. If you lied to young men

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Speaker 4: for so long, This is they're now reaping what they

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Speaker 4: sewed for the lies.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna lay it out for you next