Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media.
Speaker 2: It was a little after seven pm on a warm
Speaker 2: Wednesday evening in October of twenty twenty two. Urai Van
Speaker 2: Koulik and Matuschhorvath were sitting outside of Taplaren, a gay bar,
Speaker 2: and brought us lavas city center. Matushe was studying Chinese
Speaker 2: at a nearby university. You or I was a drag
Speaker 2: performer whose day job was designing the displays at a
Speaker 2: clothing store. They were enjoying the evening outside of one
Speaker 2: of the city's few dedicated queer spaces, and then they
Speaker 2: were dead. They were shot by a teenager who left
Speaker 2: behind a sixty five page neo Nazi manifesto before shooting
Speaker 2: himself in a nearby park. August twelfth, twenty twenty four,
Speaker 2: was a sunny afternoon in the Turkish city of z Kisheher.
Speaker 2: A teenager wearing a skull mask and a bulletproof vest
Speaker 2: walked into the tea garden outside of a mosque and
Speaker 2: stabbed five men before being tackled to the ground. Two
Speaker 2: left a manifesto glorifying mass murder. In July of twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four, a teenager in New Jersey who'd been planning
Speaker 2: to destroy power substations in New Brunswick was arrested at
Speaker 2: the Newark Airport before he'd fly to Ukraine to join
Speaker 2: the Russian Volunteer Corps, where he hoped to learn the
Speaker 2: skills he'd need to carry out acts of terror here
Speaker 2: at home. These three teenagers never met, but they had
Speaker 2: something in common. A murderer in Slovakia, an attempted murderer
Speaker 2: in Turkey. They were alone when they walked the familiar
Speaker 2: streets of their town, stalking their victims. They were alone
Speaker 2: when they shocked. They were alone when they stabbed. They
Speaker 2: hunted human prey as lone wolves. But there are no
Speaker 2: lone wolves, not really.
Speaker 3: The wolf pack is.
Speaker 2: Online now, baying for more blood.
Speaker 4: Between nineteen sixty eight and twenty twenty one, one hundred
Speaker 4: and five white men and women of action, half tinging
Speaker 4: out upon themselves, wage war against the system, and our
Speaker 4: racial enemies are saying, to the best of our brothers,
Speaker 4: and this is our legacy of white Terrier.
Speaker 2: All three of these young men were incited to take
Speaker 2: action by propaganda produced by the Terragram Collective, a one
Speaker 2: synonymous group of militant neo Nazi accelerationists on the messaging
Speaker 2: app telegram. All three of them were radicalized by a
Speaker 2: thirty four year old dildo saleswoman from California, narrating the
Speaker 2: manifestos of their idols, the mass shooters who came before them.
Speaker 2: I'm Molly Konger and this is weird, little guys. Urai
Speaker 2: Krachik died by suicide sometime overnight after he murdered two
Speaker 2: people outside of a gay bar and brought us a
Speaker 2: law on October twelfth, twenty twenty two. His body was
Speaker 2: found in a nearby public park early the next morning,
Speaker 2: but he didn't shoot himself right away. After fleeing the scene,
Speaker 2: he got online. That was where he was most at home,
Speaker 2: after all, That was where he became the man he
Speaker 2: was in the moment he fired those shots. A few
Speaker 2: hours before the attack, he tweeted out links to his manifesto.
Speaker 2: After fleeing the scene of the shooting, he went home.
Speaker 2: He told his parents what he had done. They argued,
Speaker 2: but no one called the police. He left a handwritten
Speaker 2: suicide note, retrieved a second gun from his father's safe,
Speaker 2: and left the house again. His parents were the last
Speaker 2: ones to see him alive. The city was crawling with
Speaker 2: police that night, They were on high alert for the shooter,
Speaker 2: worried he would act again, but even now that he
Speaker 2: was armed with a fresh weapon, he didn't seek out
Speaker 2: more targets. Krazik walked to a local park and checked
Speaker 2: four chan on his phone. People were talking about him
Speaker 2: about his attack. He wanted to see what they were saying.
Speaker 2: Four Chan users quickly connected the shooting to his Twitter account.
Speaker 2: As he'd walked home after the attack, he tweeted hashtag
Speaker 2: brought a slava feeling no regrets?
Speaker 3: Isn't that funny?
Speaker 2: On four Chan, they were already discussing the manifesto he'd
Speaker 2: tweeted out. One poster asked why would a Slovakian write
Speaker 2: his manifesto in English? And this was the first post
Speaker 2: the shooter replied to He wrote, because I felt like it.
Speaker 2: If you're familiar with four chan, first of all, i'm sorry,
Speaker 2: but if you've spent any time on there, you know
Speaker 2: it's not a friendly place, and not just unfriendly to outsiders.
Speaker 2: Even people who share similar ideologies are at each other's throats,
Speaker 2: hurling insults, said engaging in an eternal competition to be
Speaker 2: the nastiest person with an Internet connection. Posters mocked the
Speaker 2: shooter for killing only two people, and asked why he'd
Speaker 2: chosen such low value targets. Even as they celebrated the
Speaker 2: deaths of his victims, they bullied the shooter for not
Speaker 2: doing more, for not doing it better, for not doing
Speaker 2: it differently. They were Monday morning quarterbacking Murder Life is
Speaker 2: just a first person shooter game for the keyboard Warrior
Speaker 2: mass shooting enthusiast. To these comments, Krazil replied that he'd
Speaker 2: wanted to shoot the Slovakian Prime Minister at Ward Hager,
Speaker 2: writing wish I could have gone higher, but whatever wanted
Speaker 2: to bag the Prime Minister, but I didn't get lucky
Speaker 2: with his car arriving. Later. News reports do in fact
Speaker 2: confirm that he was seen that evening on security camera
Speaker 2: footage outside the Prime Minister's home an hour before the shooting.
Speaker 2: The same news report maps out his walk home after
Speaker 2: the shooting, a route that took him through a largely
Speaker 2: Jewish neighborhood. Rejik lamented on four Chan that night that
Speaker 2: he had wanted to shoot the Kabbad House too, but
Speaker 2: he'd run out of ammunition, writing wish I could pull
Speaker 2: off more, got nearly no amm O bro posters on
Speaker 2: four Chan were skeptical that the man replying to them
Speaker 2: was truly the shooter himself, and demanded that he post
Speaker 2: some kind of proof. A little after eleven thirty pm,
Speaker 2: four hours after fleeing the scene of the shooting, he did.
Speaker 2: It's dark wherever he was. You can't see anything in
Speaker 2: the background. The flash illuminates only the subject of the selfie.
Speaker 2: He's completely expressionless. There's no smile, no bravado, no fear even.
Speaker 3: There's just nothing. He's looking straight at.
Speaker 2: The camera, holding his phone with one hand and making
Speaker 2: a finger gun that points directly at the viewer with
Speaker 2: the other. Have a last selfie, he says. Most of
Speaker 2: his posts on the four chan thread that night are
Speaker 2: in English. It is the lingua franca of the site,
Speaker 2: after all. But one user responds to this selfie in
Speaker 2: Slovak translated. The comment reads, what happened boy? Why don't
Speaker 2: you smile anymore? Reality set in? Did you fall for
Speaker 2: the meme? Stupid?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: The shooter replied to that comment in Slovak, saying, speak
Speaker 2: for yourself. In attaching a second selfie, he's smiling this time,
Speaker 2: kind of. It's hard to say you feel any sorrow
Speaker 2: for a man who just murdered two people in cold
Speaker 2: blood and then logged onto four Chan to take credit
Speaker 2: for it. And I don't not really not for this murderer,
Speaker 2: but he was just a boy once, a boy whose
Speaker 2: fake smile shows the still slightly rounded cheeks of a
Speaker 2: kid who won't live to see the last adolescent changes
Speaker 2: to his face. His forced smile, a smile that doesn't
Speaker 2: reach the eyes. That selfie taken in the dark, somewhere
Speaker 2: in the trees on the edge of town will probably
Speaker 2: stay with me.
Speaker 3: For a while.
Speaker 2: He engages with the four Chan thread for nearly an hour,
Speaker 2: answering questions and repeatedly acquiescing to demands for proof that
Speaker 2: it's really him. He posts a picture of a handwritten
Speaker 2: note with a time and date, posts another selfie, this
Speaker 2: time with his shoe on top of his head. This
Speaker 2: is a common form of proof demanded on four Chan
Speaker 2: to determine if you are really interacting with someone who
Speaker 2: is who they say they are and in real time.
Speaker 2: I guess the idea is that most people have a
Speaker 2: shoe nearby, but most people don't have old photos of
Speaker 2: themselves online with a shoe on their head, So if
Speaker 2: you can produce such a photo on request. You probably
Speaker 2: are the person in the photo and not just someone
Speaker 2: using photos of a stranger that you found online. Another
Speaker 2: user asks him to spell out the N word and
Speaker 2: leaves on the ground and post a picture of that.
Speaker 2: He says it would take too long to spell out
Speaker 2: the whole word, and posts a blurry photo of leaves
Speaker 2: arranged in the shape of the letter N. Another user
Speaker 2: asks him what's going through your mind right now, and
Speaker 2: he says, sad for my family, happy with my own life.
Speaker 2: Nothing for the two f slurs soon a bit of lead.
Speaker 2: Another user asks if he plans to spend decades in
Speaker 2: prison or if he'll kill himself. He replies with two
Speaker 2: words and hero, which is memespeak for dying by suicide.
Speaker 2: His last four Chan posts was shortly before midnight. Four
Speaker 2: Chan users are perpetually caught in between their desire for
Speaker 2: and celebration of acts like this and their frustration that
Speaker 2: this kind of thing makes them.
Speaker 3: All look bad.
Speaker 2: You know, it makes them look like exactly what they are,
Speaker 2: the kind of people goading a teenage murderer into killing
Speaker 2: himself writes, you have made everyone on this board look
Speaker 2: like a terrorist. Is that what you wanted? Also repent
Speaker 2: hell is real? His reply his final post reads only
Speaker 2: not my problem. On Twitter, his final post was a
Speaker 2: little after midnight in Slovak, he wrote see you on
Speaker 2: the other side. A Slovak language news report says that
Speaker 2: two days before the attack, he had called a mental
Speaker 2: health crisis hotline. He said, I have to die, but
Speaker 2: I am very afraid, and then he hung up. But
Speaker 2: in his final hours he didn't call back. He didn't
Speaker 2: call that hotline. He didn't turn himself in or seek help.
Speaker 2: He sought reassurance and support from the place least likely
Speaker 2: to provide it. He logged onto four Chan, hoping to
Speaker 2: see his acts hailed as heroic, but they.
Speaker 3: Just laughed at him.
Speaker 2: He was dead before terogram canonized him, placing him in
Speaker 2: the Pantheon of terror. He worshiped. Authorities in Slovakia weren't
Speaker 2: able to ping his cell phone location until five am.
Speaker 2: The cell phone provider didn't have any employees working overnight.
Speaker 2: His body was found in the park around seven am.
Speaker 2: It's not clear exactly when he died, but if I
Speaker 2: had to put money on it, I'd guess he died
Speaker 2: in real life shortly after he logged off. He posted
Speaker 2: right up through the end, and that's all we really knew.
Speaker 2: In October of twenty twenty two, the manifesto was online
Speaker 2: for all to see. In the manifesto, he includes the
Speaker 2: Terogram Collective in his list of special thanks at the end,
Speaker 2: writing you know who you are. Thank you for your
Speaker 2: incredible writing and art, for your political texts, for your
Speaker 2: practical guides building the future of the White Revolution one
Speaker 2: publication at a time. In the section of the manifesto
Speaker 2: under the header recommended reading, he lists many of the
Speaker 2: usual suspects. He was inspired by the christ Church mosque
Speaker 2: shooting and recommends that shooter's manifesto. He praises the terrorist's Bible,
Speaker 2: William Luther Pierce's novel The Turner Diaries, and even recommends
Speaker 2: the prequel, an even sloppier novel called Hunter, But he
Speaker 2: also recommends two other lesser known publications, two of the
Speaker 2: four publications authored by the Terragram Collective. He lists these two,
Speaker 2: Militant Accelerationism and The Hard Reset, last, writing, if the
Speaker 2: other books give a theoretical and fictional base for our resistance,
Speaker 2: these two provide the practical means for it. They also
Speaker 2: go into a deeper dive into some issues, concepts, and things.
Speaker 2: Anyone who seeks to fight Zog should know. These two
Speaker 2: may be harder to find than the other books I listed,
Speaker 2: but you can find them if you look in the
Speaker 2: right places. The link between the Brodislava shooting and the
Speaker 2: Tterogram Collective was never a secret. It was right there
Speaker 2: all along. He said it himself. He recommended their propaganda
Speaker 2: and thanked them in the acknowledgments. But when he was
Speaker 2: posting on Fortune that night he lied about something earlier
Speaker 2: in this Murderer's Q and a session. Someone asked him,
Speaker 2: have you been talking to some other people over telegram,
Speaker 2: discord or signal? And he replies, made my own decision
Speaker 2: to do this. I had barely any dms with people
Speaker 2: on telegram or wherever. And he later followed up with
Speaker 2: their channel owners. Hence the annan part, don't know their names.
Speaker 2: They produced good content. Though Craigich was trying to backtrack
Speaker 2: on his initial post that he'd exchanged direct messages with
Speaker 2: anyone in the lead up to the attack, the truth,
Speaker 2: as it turns out, is that he wasn't just reading
Speaker 2: the material produced by the Telegram Collective he was in
Speaker 2: active communication with its leaders. This age murderer in Slovakia
Speaker 2: hadn't just posted his manifesto online before the attack. He'd
Speaker 2: also sent it directly to someone immediately after. He wanted
Speaker 2: to be certain that his message got out, so he
Speaker 2: sent it to someone he knew would spread it, someone
Speaker 2: who had helped him craft it. He sent the manifesto
Speaker 2: to Matthew Allison, a man in his thirties living in Boise, Idaho,
Speaker 2: earlier this month. In September of twenty twenty four, Matthew
Speaker 2: Allison of Boise and Dallas Humber of Elk Grove, California,
Speaker 2: were arrested in charge in a fifteen count indictment with
Speaker 2: soliciting hate crimes, soliciting the murder of federal officials, interstate threats,
Speaker 2: distributing information relating to explosives, and conspiring to provide material
Speaker 2: support to terrorists. The pair are alleged to be the
Speaker 2: ringleaders of the Terragram Collective, that association of pseudonymous posters
Speaker 2: on telegram that produced Neo Nazi acceleration propaganda and now,
Speaker 2: according to the Department of Justice, the Terogram Collective can
Speaker 2: also be called a transnational terrorist group According to the
Speaker 2: allegations in the indictment, Krajik was an active member of
Speaker 2: the group's chat for a year.
Speaker 3: Leading up to the shooting. And I guess I should
Speaker 3: back up a little bit and explain a little more.
Speaker 2: About what's going on in these chats, as much as
Speaker 2: I would really rather not. There are plenty of Nazi
Speaker 2: chat rooms. There is no shortage of places online where
Speaker 2: a racial slur enthusiast can log on and share ideas
Speaker 2: with other guys who hate black people and Jewish people,
Speaker 2: and gay people, and immigrants and women and whatever. Pick
Speaker 2: your flavor. It's out there in abundance. This is something
Speaker 2: much darker. These are accelerationists, people who believe their goals
Speaker 2: can only be achieved by driving society over the brink
Speaker 2: and into total collapse.
Speaker 3: They believe that.
Speaker 2: Acts of mass murder, terrorism, and destruction are the necessary
Speaker 2: course of action to create the chaos required to allow
Speaker 2: a new world to be born, a world built by
Speaker 2: and four white men alone.
Speaker 3: And they aren't just talking about it.
Speaker 2: The Terogram Collective has produced a series of what would
Speaker 2: you call them manuals, manifestos, zines, terrorism handbooks. They've put
Speaker 2: out four written publications in one short documentary, all directed
Speaker 2: at providing both inspiration and explicit instruction on how their
Speaker 2: followers can commit acts of unspeakable violence. In their online spaces,
Speaker 2: past acts are celebrated. One of the core elements of
Speaker 2: the group's ship language is this pantheon of saints. It's
Speaker 2: not the saints you're thinking of. This is a gruesome hagiography.
Speaker 2: They've canonized mass shooters. They celebrate the Saint Day of
Speaker 2: each shooter on the day of their atrocity. Robert Bowers, Unders,
Speaker 2: Bravic Dylan Rue, Brenton, Terran, Patrick Crusius, Anton London Patterson,
Speaker 2: murderers from infamous to obscure murderers from all over the world.
Speaker 2: The criteria for sainthood are fivefold, race, motive, intent, score,
Speaker 2: and worldview. The prospective saint must, of course, be white.
Speaker 2: There is occasionally some debate in the Nazi community about
Speaker 2: whether they should offer their begrudging respect for non white
Speaker 2: mass murderers, who nevertheless kill large numbers of people they
Speaker 2: deem worthy targets, but the answer is generally no. They
Speaker 2: would celebrate something like the Pulse night club shooting, which
Speaker 2: killed nearly fifty people, most of whom were both Latino
Speaker 2: and members of the queer community. That perpetrator cannot be
Speaker 2: celebrated as a saint because he fails the first test.
Speaker 2: He isn't white. Intent, motive, and worldview all feel like
Speaker 2: they kind of describe the same thing. So I'm not
Speaker 2: sure why there are five criteria when they probably could
Speaker 2: have condensed it down to three. But the attack must
Speaker 2: be deliberate, that's intent, committed in the spirit of our struggle,
Speaker 2: that's motive, and be motivated by a white nationalist ideology.
Speaker 2: Though they are willing to make some exceptions. There's a
Speaker 2: little wiggle room here for attacks that are right wing
Speaker 2: but not explicitly neo Nazi. And score means exactly what
Speaker 2: you probably think it means. They're keeping score, they're counting bodies.
Speaker 2: Sometimes if you log into the worst kind of place
Speaker 2: during an active attack or in the immediate aftermath of one,
Speaker 2: you'll see eager speculation that someone could be getting a
Speaker 2: new high score, like it's some kind of video game.
Speaker 2: And there are no exceptions to this requirement. You cannot
Speaker 2: become a Terogram saint with a score of zero. Someone
Speaker 2: has to die. These ideas didn't originate with Matthew Allison
Speaker 2: and Dallas Humber. Both of them have been members of
Speaker 2: this online community for years since at least twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty two, after the arrest of one of
Speaker 2: the community's most prolific posters, they became the group's leaders.
Speaker 2: A user who posted as Slovak bro Pavel Benedick, was
Speaker 2: arrested in Slovakia in early twenty twenty two and eventually
Speaker 2: sentenced to six years in prison for his support of
Speaker 2: terrorism and Slovak Brough isn't the only Terogram author to
Speaker 2: land himself in prison. Brandon Russell, the Adam Woffin founder,
Speaker 2: currently awaiting trial on charges of conspiracy to blow up
Speaker 2: the power grid in Baltimore, was in close communication with
Speaker 2: members of the group before and after his arrest. He
Speaker 2: appears to have participated in the creation of at least
Speaker 2: some of the group's work. Two men in Canada were
Speaker 2: arrested last fall, with the Royal Canadian Mounted Police press
Speaker 2: release alleging that they too had participated in the creation
Speaker 2: of Tarogram manifestos. Their cases are ongoing and subject to
Speaker 2: a publication ban in Canada, so the extent of their
Speaker 2: involvement and the possibility that revelations in those cases had
Speaker 2: some bearing on the investigation here in the US is
Speaker 2: unknown right now. As the leaders of the Tarogram collective,
Speaker 2: Dallas Humber and Matthew Allison, are alleged to have directly
Speaker 2: contributed to acts of terrorism.
Speaker 3: All over the world.
Speaker 2: Their publications provided detailed instructions on how to make bombs,
Speaker 2: how to make napalm at home with materials you can
Speaker 2: buy at the hardware store, the most efficient way to
Speaker 2: destroy an electrical substation with rifle fire, and how to
Speaker 2: identify the most valuable targets in your area, targets that
Speaker 2: could be infrastructure or human. They maintained a document called
Speaker 2: the List, a list of high value assassination targets. For
Speaker 2: each name on the list, there was a little graphic
Speaker 2: like a trading card. The target's name, home address, and
Speaker 2: photograph were always featured, along with the reasons why they
Speaker 2: were considered an enemy of the cause. Those reasons, as
Speaker 2: you might expect, tended to be related to the target's identity.
Speaker 2: They're Jewish, they're gay, they're an immigrant, or some other
Speaker 2: kind of undesirable in their eyes. The names on the
Speaker 2: list include senators, judges, a former federal prosecutor, state and
Speaker 2: local government officials, and non profit employees. In their chats,
Speaker 2: they posted the list often, and would sometimes post individual
Speaker 2: members of the list alongside encouragement to take action. In
Speaker 2: one exchange described in the indictment, a member of the
Speaker 2: group chat asked if there were any members of the
Speaker 2: list located in his area. The administrator of the group
Speaker 2: responded with a trading card image for a target in
Speaker 2: a city in the poster's area. The user replied, we
Speaker 2: already have this one, and asked the channel administrator to
Speaker 2: tag him if any new names were added to the
Speaker 2: list in his area. A user the government alleges is Dallas.
Speaker 2: Humber replied, we'll do. A week later, she tagged that
Speaker 2: same user with a new name in the same city.
Speaker 2: He replied, very good, I'll check in with my guys now.
Speaker 2: And it wasn't just members of the list who were
Speaker 2: in danger. Humber and Allison would routinely remind members of
Speaker 2: the group of the kinds of targets they should be
Speaker 2: seeking out. In June of twenty twenty three, Humber posted
Speaker 2: numerous exhortations to followers that they should be targeting Gay
Speaker 2: Pride Month events, writing in one post.
Speaker 1: Mass shootings, arson bombings, vehicle tax The list goes on,
Speaker 1: and the opportunities provided to you this month will be plentiful.
Speaker 1: Don't let them go to waste. What's more impactful boycotting
Speaker 1: target or getting dozens of targets in your sights and
Speaker 1: taking them out permanently. Actions speak louder than words. Direct
Speaker 1: lethal action speaks louder than any boycott. This Pride month,
Speaker 1: give us what we truly need, a new saint to
Speaker 1: be proud of and a glorious new attack to celebrate.
Speaker 1: You've got the means an opportunity. All you need is
Speaker 1: the will. Don't breathe a word of what you're planning
Speaker 1: to anyone, and make it count.
Speaker 2: Make it count. That's a frequent refrain. Make it Count
Speaker 2: as the title of one of the group's terrorism manuals.
Speaker 2: It's also the final line of the broadess Lava Shooters Manifesto.
Speaker 2: The line itself comes from seed the collected essays of
Speaker 2: James Mason. If the Turner Diaries is their Bible, siege
Speaker 2: is perhaps a missile or a brevery. Maybe the analogy
Speaker 2: doesn't hold. I don't know, but Mason is the godfather
Speaker 2: of modern fascist terrorism read Siege was such a constant
Speaker 2: directive in so many Nazi chats for so long that
Speaker 2: it's more of a meme than an actual instruction. At
Speaker 2: this point. Mason wrote the Siege newsletter throughout the early
Speaker 2: to mid eighties. The essays were collected and published in
Speaker 2: book form in the early nineties, but the text languished
Speaker 2: in relative obscurity until it was rediscovered by users of
Speaker 2: the Nazi forum Iron March in the early twenty tens.
Speaker 2: It's no coincidence that Adam Wafflin was born on the
Speaker 2: pages of that forum, in the bubbling ideological soup where
Speaker 2: young men were exchanging their favorite passages of Siege. It's
Speaker 2: a messy sprawling six hundred or so pages, depending on
Speaker 2: the addition you've bootlegged from some terrorism chat room. It's
Speaker 2: mostly useless ramblings. There's a lot of repetitive content. It
Speaker 2: wasn't written to be a book, to be fair. The
Speaker 2: line make it count comes from the end of the
Speaker 2: August nineteen eighty two newsletter, in a missive titled Biting
Speaker 2: the Bullet. Like much of the avice in Siege, this
Speaker 2: essay is about taking action, about choosing the time, the target,
Speaker 2: and the circumstances of your attack on the system, because
Speaker 2: you may only get one chance to strike. The essay concludes,
Speaker 2: quote in revolution, the price of failure generally is death.
Speaker 2: So whatever you do, and whatever course you choose, don't
Speaker 2: sell yourself cheap. Make it count. Make it count. The
Speaker 2: Collective's Terrorism Guide by the same name and The Hard
Speaker 2: Reset both contain diagrams of electrical transformers and instructions for
Speaker 2: damaging them, released around the same time, both in June
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty two. Make It Counts a light fourteen pages.
Speaker 2: It's more propaganda than manual. The page titled Blackout is
Speaker 2: dominated by a large graphic of a rifle with a
Speaker 2: scope and big neon text that reads, in all caps,
Speaker 2: locate substation, range find shoot transformers, flee undetected, which I
Speaker 2: guess are technically instructions. They're just not very good ones.
Speaker 2: The Hard Reset, on the other hand, is a nearly
Speaker 2: three hundred page compilation of essays, graphics, manuals, and just
Speaker 2: a nightmarish collection of fonts and colors that would make
Speaker 2: a graphic designer weep around. Halfway through, there's a section
Speaker 2: containing incredibly detailed instructions, complete with diagrams for sabotaging all
Speaker 2: manner of infrastructure, how to derail a train, how to
Speaker 2: damage a cell phone tower, things to consider when bombing
Speaker 2: a truck depot, ways you might contaminate a municipal water
Speaker 2: treatment planned, and of course four pages of advice on
Speaker 2: sabotaging the power grid. Alongside mass shootings, attacks on the
Speaker 2: power grid are the group's favorite fixation. We talked a
Speaker 2: little bit about the concept in another episode a few
Speaker 2: weeks ago, Lights Out about the Nazi paramilitary marines who
Speaker 2: hope to knock out power in the Pacific Northwest. They
Speaker 2: thought it would provide cover for a planned series of assassinations.
Speaker 2: Those guys never got a chance to read the Terragram
Speaker 2: collective manuals on the subject, they were arrested before they
Speaker 2: were written. But as I said in an episode, this
Speaker 2: idea has been popular in right wing circles for decades.
Speaker 2: Take out the power, chaos ensues, something something step three,
Speaker 2: then race war. The middle part never really gets fleshed out,
Speaker 2: but they all seem very convinced that something happens right
Speaker 2: after it gets dark that causes a race war. I'm
Speaker 2: not really sold on that logic, but they are bound
Speaker 2: and determined to put holes in a substation. Nevertheless, the
Speaker 2: indictment lists numerous occasions on which Dallas Humber encourages her
Speaker 2: followers to take the advice provided in the manuals and
Speaker 2: attack the grid. In December of twenty twenty two, after
Speaker 2: these still unsolved attacks on electrical infrastructure in Jones County,
Speaker 2: North Carolina on November eleventh, and Moore County on December third,
Speaker 2: Humber posted encouragement for anyone planning a similar grid attack,
Speaker 2: advising them not to let second thoughts or fear of failure,
Speaker 2: or fear of getting caught demotivate them. Do not let
Speaker 2: this big mistake happen to you, she wrote in all caps,
Speaker 2: reminding them to have a plan, carry it out, and
Speaker 2: keep their mouths shut. A few days later, she wrote.
Speaker 1: Maybe that person could be you lining up your sights
Speaker 1: on these metal behemoths from the tree line, squeezing the
Speaker 1: trigger and retreating from the area with a shitting grin
Speaker 1: on your face, knowing the chaos you've just unleashed.
Speaker 2: And after a third still unsolved attack was carried out
Speaker 2: just a month later in Randolph County, North Carolina, Humber posted.
Speaker 1: Again everyone please take a moment to congratulate yourselves. It
Speaker 1: seems as though this avenue of attack, an incredibly effective
Speaker 1: one at that has really caught on. I like to
Speaker 1: think that all our hard work in detailing its effectiveness
Speaker 1: and showing our community how easy it is not only
Speaker 1: to do but to get away with, has helped encourage
Speaker 1: this death to the grid, death to the system.
Speaker 2: So the Terrogram Collective isn't exactly taking credit for the
Speaker 2: grid attacks in North Carolina, but they aren't not taking
Speaker 2: credit for it either. She does credit herself and the
Speaker 2: group with popularizing the idea. She speculates that perhaps the
Speaker 2: attacker or attackers had read her work, read her words,
Speaker 2: and listened to her voice and decided to act, But
Speaker 2: there's no claim made that she knows who did it,
Speaker 2: and maybe she doesn't. We don't actually know whether these
Speaker 2: attacks were committed by someone inspired by the Terrogram Collective
Speaker 2: at all, even if they were ideologically motivated. She didn't
Speaker 2: invent the idea, and a similar attack out in Washington
Speaker 2: State during the same time period was actually committed by
Speaker 2: a pair of would be thieves who thought they could
Speaker 2: get cash out of ATMs during a power outage, So
Speaker 2: maybe it wasn't a terrorist at all, but if it was,
Speaker 2: it is entirely possible that an attacker inspired by her
Speaker 2: work was operating based off of a one directional relationship,
Speaker 2: that this person consumed the content and acted on it
Speaker 2: without ever actually having a conversation with the author. We
Speaker 2: didn't learn until much later, though, that this wasn't the
Speaker 2: case with the shooting in Broadislava, and we do know
Speaker 2: that at least one would be grid attacker was definitely
Speaker 2: in that chat and definitely in communit vacation with the
Speaker 2: Tarogram collective. Andrew Takestov was arrested in July of twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four at the Newark Airport. He was on his
Speaker 2: way to Ukraine to join the Russian Volunteer Corps, a
Speaker 2: neo Nazi paramilitary group of Russian citizens inside Ukraine who
Speaker 2: opposed the Putin government Takeistov had been a member of
Speaker 2: the Tarogram collective chat since at least January of twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four, and in January of twenty twenty four he
Speaker 2: made a new friend online. It isn't stated outright in
Speaker 2: his charging documents or in the cases against Humber and Allison,
Speaker 2: but it sounds like he made this friend in the
Speaker 2: Tterogram chat, and this friend turned out to be an
Speaker 2: undercover FBI agent around this same time. In January of
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, Takeistov asks in the Terogram chat for
Speaker 2: recommendations for quote documentaries about our guys made by our guys,
Speaker 2: and he asks if anyone has more content like White Terror,
Speaker 2: which is the twenty four minute documentary the Collective put
Speaker 2: out in October of twenty twenty two. The video is
Speaker 2: a compilation of descriptions of over one hundred white supremacist
Speaker 2: attacks carried out between nineteen sixty eight and twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2: It is, in their words, their litany of the Saints.
Speaker 2: Humber narrates the video herself. She is the voice of Terogram,
Speaker 2: but she's not very skilled voice actor, and that's not
Speaker 2: just my opinion. The website Militant Wire, a publication that
Speaker 2: writes about political violence all over the world, wrote of
Speaker 2: her narration.
Speaker 5: It is both striking and seemingly incongruous to the material
Speaker 5: the way a young, average female voice, devoid of ghoulish
Speaker 5: stylization or of discernible malice and hatred, not only celebrates
Speaker 5: acts of terrorism while parroting well established neo Nazi tropes
Speaker 5: and slogans, but perhaps most of all, the unburden and
Speaker 5: rather natural way that this young woman uses the most
Speaker 5: cutting of racial slurs and homophobic pejoratives. It is one
Speaker 5: thing to see edgy young men describe mass murder Dylan
Speaker 5: Rufe as Saint Rufe on a message board, for example,
Speaker 5: and quite another to hear a young woman say it
Speaker 5: aloud and without traceable irony.
Speaker 2: She sounds bored as she lists shootings, bombings, arsons and stabbings,
Speaker 2: just droning out this list of the dead. The video
Speaker 2: was published just days after the shooting in broad us Lava,
Speaker 2: but it had already been finalized before the attack, so
Speaker 2: he's not in it. The list of their murderer's heroes
Speaker 2: ends with the Buffalo Supermarket shooter from May of twenty
Speaker 2: twenty two, but the video concludes with Humber's deadpan reading
Speaker 2: of an ominous message. The list is always growing, and
Speaker 2: you could join it.
Speaker 4: And to the saints of tomorrow watching this today, know
Speaker 4: that when you succeed, you will be celebrated with reverence,
Speaker 4: and your sacrifice will not be in vain. Hail the saints,
Speaker 4: and hail are glorious. And bloody legacy of white hair.
Speaker 2: When Takestav asked if they had any more content like
Speaker 2: that video, Humber replied with a file an audio recording
Speaker 2: of her reading the Jacksonville Dollar General Shooters Manifesto. The manifesto,
Speaker 2: entitled A White Boy Summer to Remember, had just been
Speaker 2: released that month by the Jacksonville Sheriff's Department. Humber quickly
Speaker 2: recorded the audiobook version for the Teogram Collective, as she
Speaker 2: had with many manifestos before it. Her audio recording of
Speaker 2: the Broados Lava Shooters Manifesto was released to the chat
Speaker 2: within a week of that attack, just as she'd promised
Speaker 2: Kraigik it would be before he died a few months later.
Speaker 2: In April of twenty twenty four, Takistov posted again thanking
Speaker 2: Humber for links to videos providing instructions on attacking energy facilities.
Speaker 2: One video in particular had instructions for using my lar
Speaker 2: balloons to damage power lines. Their conductive metal surface can
Speaker 2: start a fire when it comes into contact with electrical infrastructure.
Speaker 2: Takistanv was so pleased with this advice, it seems that
Speaker 2: he thought he might like to try it. Later that summer,
Speaker 2: he met up with his new friend from the chat room,
Speaker 2: though one he didn't know as an undercover FBI agent. Together,
Speaker 2: they drove around New Jersey looking at substations. Takistov proudly
Speaker 2: shared the instructions for how to carry out the attack,
Speaker 2: directing his friend to use my lar balloons to short
Speaker 2: circuit the transformer. He followed up by sending his friend
Speaker 2: a copy of the hard Reset, telling him quote, it's
Speaker 2: really the only thing you need. It has ideology, it
Speaker 2: has how two guides, it has ideas for funny things.
Speaker 3: It goes into how you should plan it.
Speaker 2: It really goes into the thought process. Takustov told the
Speaker 2: agent his new friend that his plan was to fly
Speaker 2: to Ukraine and volunteer with the Russian Volunteer Corps. He'd
Speaker 2: chosen that group in particular because, according to the indictment quote,
Speaker 2: the group was openly national socialist and more importantly, specialized
Speaker 2: in assassinations, attacks on power grids and other infrastructure sabotage.
Speaker 2: So he hoped to go over there, get some training,
Speaker 2: do a little fighting, and then return home with new
Speaker 2: skills he could use here. He instructed his new friend
Speaker 2: not to be idle in his absence that while Takistov
Speaker 2: was gone, he expected his new friend to carry out
Speaker 2: at least one attack, perhaps the attack on the substation
Speaker 2: they'd been discussing. He also recommended getting a rifle and
Speaker 2: a cheap burner phone. The burner phone wasn't for communication, though,
Speaker 2: it was to be used to determine if a cell
Speaker 2: tower had been sufficiently dead imaged by rifle rounds that
Speaker 2: it no longer transmitted a signal. So you take the
Speaker 2: phone out, you start shooting at the tower, and if
Speaker 2: the phone still has bars, keep shooting. In July, just
Speaker 2: a few days before he would board the plane to Ukraine,
Speaker 2: Takistav met up with his new friend one last time.
Speaker 2: This time they drove out to a warehouse full of
Speaker 2: trucking equipment. Takistov explained to the undercover agent how he
Speaker 2: should access the facility to damage equipment with a Molotov cocktail.
Speaker 2: He also suggested some strategies for derailing trains. He essentially
Speaker 2: talked through almost all of the infrastructure related attacks suggested
Speaker 2: by the Terogram collective publication that he'd already shared with
Speaker 2: the agent, and then he tried to get on a plane.
Speaker 2: Takistov did not make his flight. On July tenth, he
Speaker 2: was arrested at the airport.
Speaker 3: He's not due back.
Speaker 2: In court until October, but he is the attacker too
Speaker 2: listed in the indict against Dallas Humber and Matthew Allison.
Speaker 2: That indictment lists three individuals that the government is confident
Speaker 2: they can prove were incited to action directly by the
Speaker 2: Terogram Collective. Attacker IE is the broadest lava shooter. Attacker
Speaker 2: three is the teenager who stabbed five men outside of
Speaker 2: a mosque in Turkey last month. He was taken into
Speaker 2: custody alive, and as far as reporting I can find,
Speaker 2: all of his victims are expected to survive. The teenager,
Speaker 2: identified by Turkish press only by his first name and
Speaker 2: last initial, Arda K, was acknowledged by the Terogram Collective
Speaker 2: but not canonized as a saint.
Speaker 3: He failed.
Speaker 2: Although his intent, ideology, and worldview are consistent with the
Speaker 2: kind of murderer they're looking for, the teenager failed to
Speaker 2: take any lives, and more importantly.
Speaker 3: He isn't white.
Speaker 2: After the attack, Dallas Humber wrote in the chat he
Speaker 2: included the terror books and other saint manifestos in his file.
Speaker 2: Dump gives shout outs to the other saints in his
Speaker 2: manifesto and references several hard Reset passages. He was one
Speaker 2: hundred percent our guy. But he's not white, so I
Speaker 2: can't give him an honorary title. We can still celebrate
Speaker 2: his attack, though he did it for Terogram. She followed
Speaker 2: up later on writing we can hail him anyway. We
Speaker 2: just can't add him to the pantheon. But yeah, it's
Speaker 2: a great development regardless. Inspiring more attacks is the goal,
Speaker 2: and anyone claiming to be an accelerationist should support them.
Speaker 2: It isn't specified in the court documents whether our Decae
Speaker 2: had ever directly participated in the Tarogram collective chats, but
Speaker 2: he certainly read their work. He wasn't just inspired by
Speaker 2: some shared ideology. He cites them directly in this manifesto.
Speaker 2: His manifesto, however, is written in Turkish, which you'd expect
Speaker 2: because there's something a little strange about the manifesto Uraikrazech
Speaker 2: left behind. It's in English. That's not entirely extraordinary. He
Speaker 2: spoke English, though he'd never spent any time in an
Speaker 2: English speaking country. He probably would have learned it in school.
Speaker 2: He watched American television shows and movies. He had access
Speaker 2: to American music. He participated in online spaces where English
Speaker 2: is the primary language. But the manifesto is in perfect English.
Speaker 2: And I don't mean perfect English like from a textbook,
Speaker 2: something you could achieve through study. It's native English. It
Speaker 2: has idioms and terms of phrase and even mistakes that
Speaker 2: only a native English speaker would really use. And that's
Speaker 2: not my opinion. According to an analysis by forensic linguist
Speaker 2: Julia Kupper published by the Accelerationism Research Consortium, the manifesto
Speaker 2: was almost certainly written by a native English speaker who
Speaker 2: grew up in the United States, probably someone with a
Speaker 2: good education, and someone a bit older than Crazick, someone
Speaker 2: maybe in their forties. The obvious answer then is, well,
Speaker 2: he plagiarized it, right. It's copy paste, and that's surprisingly common.
Speaker 2: A lot of manifestos lift large portions of their text
Speaker 2: from other similar documents. But Copper checked he hadn't. This
Speaker 2: isn't copy pasta, this isn't someone else's manifesto. This was
Speaker 2: an original work, but Crechick couldn't have written it. Copper
Speaker 2: conducted a forensic linguistic analysis on the manifesto. The handwritten
Speaker 2: suicide note several hundred tweets from his account and the
Speaker 2: four chan posts made the night of the shooting. She
Speaker 2: concluded that a second author was involved in both the
Speaker 2: manifesto and some of the tweets, but that the four
Speaker 2: chan posts and the suicide note were written by him alone.
Speaker 2: According to Covers analysis, there are some telltale signs of
Speaker 2: two writers at work. When Krajik posted a photo on
Speaker 2: fourtune that night to prove he was who he said
Speaker 2: he was, he showed a handwritten note with the date
Speaker 2: on it, and we know he wrote this himself, and
Speaker 2: in European fashion, he wrote the date day, month year,
Speaker 2: not month day year, as Americans would do. The manifesto,
Speaker 2: though uses an American date format. In his tweets, there
Speaker 2: are style shifts that seem to indicate two people may
Speaker 2: have had access to the account. Changes in tone and vocabulary,
Speaker 2: and the way that punctuation is used, shifting between the
Speaker 2: European style and the American style of where commas and
Speaker 2: periods go on either side of a quotation or parentheses.
Speaker 2: The American English style of formatting began appearing in the
Speaker 2: tweets in May of twenty twenty two, the month he
Speaker 2: claims he began working on the manifesto and the plan
Speaker 2: in Earnest. Kupper's report was published in early twenty twenty three,
Speaker 2: just six months after the attack and more than a
Speaker 2: year before the extent of Crojick's involvement with the terrogram
Speaker 2: chat administrators came to light after their arrests. It raises
Speaker 2: some questions we may not get answers to. Perhaps the
Speaker 2: criminal proceedings against Alison and Humber will result in Twitter
Speaker 2: producing some records that could show more than one person
Speaker 2: logging into the account, but maybe not. There may be
Speaker 2: no satisfying conclusion to this mystery. But if an older, educated,
Speaker 2: native English speaking American author wrote most of that manifesto,
Speaker 2: it certainly confers some responsibility onto that author for the
Speaker 2: attack that accompanied it. The co author of the manifesto
Speaker 2: didn't pull the trigger, but they may as well have.
Speaker 2: If Humber and Allison are being prosecuted for their contributions
Speaker 2: to this attack, in particular, whether or not they had
Speaker 2: fore knowledge whether or not they participated in the crafting
Speaker 2: of this manifesto would be a significant factor in the prosecution.
Speaker 2: But who are these people? Who is Matthew Allison, Who
Speaker 2: is Dallas Humber? How did they end up running a
Speaker 2: transnational terrorist organization that goads young men into committing acts
Speaker 2: of terrorism? Matthew Allison wasn't revealed as a Terrogram collective
Speaker 2: administrator until this indictment was unsealed. We didn't know his
Speaker 2: name until he was arrested, but Dallas Humber was unmasked
Speaker 2: a year and a half ago. Researchers at Left Coast
Speaker 2: Right Watch and independent investigative journalism outlet covering politics and
Speaker 2: extremism identified Humber in March of twenty twenty three. The
Speaker 2: story was confirmed and re reported by Huffington Post soon after.
Speaker 2: Dallas Humber was miss Gorehound the Voice of Terror. The
Speaker 2: story is a truly bizarre one. I'll link it in
Speaker 2: the show notes, and I highly recommend checking out this
Speaker 2: story in particular and Left Coast Right Watch in general.
Speaker 2: They were able to locate the earliest days of Humber's
Speaker 2: journey to becoming the Voice of White Terror. When she
Speaker 2: was just thirteen, she was active on sites like deviant
Speaker 2: Art and live journal, where she described herself as a
Speaker 2: hopeless fangirl for serial killers. Their digital archaeology shows that
Speaker 2: Humber has been making fan art for murderers for over
Speaker 2: twenty years. She was describing herself as a National Socialist
Speaker 2: in her online journal as early as two thousand and four,
Speaker 2: when she was just fourteen. By twenty fourteen, she was
Speaker 2: using one of the monikers she carried through to the present,
Speaker 2: little Miss Gorehound. Quoting from lcrw's twenty twenty three write
Speaker 2: up on Humber quote, her earliest interest in gurro art
Speaker 2: had become a full blown gore fetish. In its purest form,
Speaker 2: guro is meant to simultaneously evoke a sense of eroticism
Speaker 2: and grotesqueness. It's meant to make the viewer uncomfortable. At
Speaker 2: its worst, it can only be described as hen Tai snuff.
Speaker 2: Nearly all of her art from this period features abused women.
Speaker 2: LCRW has chosen not to share the images as they
Speaker 2: depict scenes of torture, dismemberment, and explicit sexual violence. For
Speaker 2: the most part, the only women that aren't being subjected
Speaker 2: to violence and brutality are perpetuating it against other women.
Speaker 2: The men, however, are portrayed as strong, powerful, and heroic,
Speaker 2: and by twenty nineteen, Humber had found her new online
Speaker 2: home terrogram her now nearly twenty year old hobby of
Speaker 2: creating gore art was right at home in an online
Speaker 2: community devoted to celebrating mass murder. And now she wasn't
Speaker 2: just drawing pictures of killers, she was drawing pictures for them.
Speaker 2: She posted photos on Telegram of her correspondence with convicted
Speaker 2: mass murderer Dylan Rufe. Several outlets have reported on these letters,
Speaker 2: and they do point out that they were unable to
Speaker 2: confirm with prison officials how often Humber was corresponding with Rufe,
Speaker 2: but the images she posted matched the handwriting and style
Speaker 2: of known samples of Roof's letters. In one letter she posted,
Speaker 2: Rufe requests a drawing from her. He asks for quote
Speaker 2: a wizard with mean slash, unfriendly eyebrows or a dragon
Speaker 2: or an unfriendly eyebrowed wizard writing a dragon.
Speaker 3: End quote.
Speaker 2: I hope that's the only time I ever have to
Speaker 2: quote Dylan Roof. The little Miss Gorehound account posted a
Speaker 2: photo of the finished drawing of the unfriendly looking wizard
Speaker 2: with the caption finished Dylan's Wizard hashtag Saint Mail. She
Speaker 2: also claimed to have written cards to Brenton Tarrant, imprisoned
Speaker 2: in New Zealand. The murders of fifty one worshippers at
Speaker 2: mosques in christ Church and to Anders Bravic, imprisoned in
Speaker 2: Norway for the murder of seventy seven people, most of
Speaker 2: whom were children. It's unclear what, if anything, Humber does
Speaker 2: for a day job these days, but lcrw is write
Speaker 2: up uncovered that for many years she made a living
Speaker 2: as a dildo saleswoman using the pseudonym techs Hunter. But
Speaker 2: after that article was published, nothing happened, nothing changed. We
Speaker 2: knew who she was, but nobody made a move to intervene,
Speaker 2: and she carried on as she always had. Shannon Foley
Speaker 2: Martinez told Huffington Post back in March of twenty twenty
Speaker 2: three that quote, it is an absolute given that terrogram
Speaker 2: will inspire more shootings if left unchecked, and she's in
Speaker 2: the heartbreaking position of knowing exactly what she's talking about.
Speaker 2: Shannon was radicalized by a boyfriend as a teenager, but
Speaker 2: quickly left the movement and has since dedicated decades of
Speaker 2: her life to the ugly work of trying to keep
Speaker 2: other people's children from falling prey to the recruiters who
Speaker 2: target vulnerable teens. But the government waited and waited. They
Speaker 2: watched too. I'm sure we know they had undercover agents
Speaker 2: in the group, But they waited over a year. They
Speaker 2: waited until more attacks took place. They waited until an
Speaker 2: eighty seven year old man was stabbed outside of his mosque.
Speaker 2: They waited while more and more young men were fed
Speaker 2: heaping servings of rotten propaganda. They waited until September of
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, a few weeks after that stabbing in Turkey.
Speaker 2: In a piece published in Wire a few days after
Speaker 2: the indictment, investigative journalist Ali Winston offers an intriguing explanation
Speaker 2: for the timing. While most of the charges in the
Speaker 2: indictment could have been brought at any time, things like
Speaker 2: soliciting the murder of a federal AffA, disseminating information about explosives,
Speaker 2: threatening communications, and so on, they've been doing that for years.
Speaker 2: The final charge of this fifteen count indictment is a
Speaker 2: violation of Chapter eighteen, Section two three three nine A
Speaker 2: conspiracy to provide material support to terrorists. And this is
Speaker 2: the most serious charge on the indictment. This is the
Speaker 2: one that could put them away forever. And this charge
Speaker 2: was only made possible by a decision earlier this year
Speaker 2: by the Government of the United Kingdom. In April of
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, the UK formally added the Terragram Collective
Speaker 2: to its list of proscribed terrorist entities. A Home Office
Speaker 2: announcement in April.
Speaker 6: Reads the Telegram Collective has been prescribed as a terrorist
Speaker 6: organization today after Parliament approved a draft order laid on Monday,
Speaker 6: the twenty second of April. This order makes belonging to
Speaker 6: the Terogram Collective or inviting support for the group criminal offense,
Speaker 6: with a potential prison sentence of fourteen years, which can
Speaker 6: be handed down alongside or in place of a fine.
Speaker 6: In addition, Section fifty eight makes it a criminal offense
Speaker 6: for a person to collect or possess information which is
Speaker 6: likely to be useful to a person committing or repairing
Speaker 6: for acts of terrorism, including where individual views or accesses
Speaker 6: documents or records containing information of that kind. The Teogram
Speaker 6: Collective has now been added to the list of prescribed
Speaker 6: organizations in the UK, alongside eighty other organizations.
Speaker 2: And with that announcement, Terogram is now a foreign terrorist organization.
Speaker 2: And because people died and at least one of the incidents,
Speaker 2: the government laid out in the indictment. As an act
Speaker 2: the defendants insided they could go away for life. As
Speaker 2: Ali Winston put it in that Wired article quote, In
Speaker 2: other words, the US is treating Terogram in ways similar
Speaker 2: to how it has treated Islamist terrorist organizations. Terrorism researcher
Speaker 2: Seamus Hughes told Winston, quote, I would think of this
Speaker 2: case more like an old school terrorism investigation, where you
Speaker 2: have a leadership cell that pushed info to followers and
Speaker 2: radicalized them into action. Cases involving this particular charge are
Speaker 2: typically those involving groups like ISIS or al Qaida. I
Speaker 2: don't think we've seen this used before against white nationalist
Speaker 2: domestic terror organizations. Using this legal framework against a group
Speaker 2: like the Terrogram collective may signal a shift in the
Speaker 2: DOJ's strategy for targeting white nationalist terrorism in the United States.
Speaker 2: It's a big swing, as Hughes said, quote, it shows
Speaker 2: that either the FEDS are trying to make a point
Speaker 2: or they were very concerned about these particular actors, and
Speaker 2: maybe it's both right. It was long past time to
Speaker 2: do something, anything, anything at all about the most significant
Speaker 2: network of neo Nazi terrorist propaganda on the English speaking Internet.
Speaker 3: People have already died.
Speaker 2: There's every reason to believe the undercover agents they had
Speaker 2: in the group knew that more people would die if
Speaker 2: something didn't disrupt the organization. And maybe the Justice Department
Speaker 2: is just feeling a little more willing to use the
Speaker 2: tools they have to do something about right wing extremism
Speaker 2: more generally, this is obviously a much more seismic shift
Speaker 2: in policy. But we were just talking last week about
Speaker 2: the false statements charges against a soldier who allegedly lied
Speaker 2: about his extremist activities, and those charges were unusual and
Speaker 2: perhaps indicative of a shift in policy and strategy. I
Speaker 2: suppose it doesn't behoove me to make wilder speculations than
Speaker 2: the experts are willing to make, So we'll stick with
Speaker 2: what Seamus Hughes told Ally Winston. A case like this
Speaker 2: had to get sign off at the highest levels. Somebody
Speaker 2: in the DOJ wanted this network shut down. When the
Speaker 2: pair were arrested earlier this month, authorities searched their homes.
Speaker 2: Dallas Humber had three D printed guns, high capacity magazines,
Speaker 2: a short barreled rifle, unregistered firearms, a lot of Nazi propaganda,
Speaker 2: her own manifestos, and a notebook listing the white supremacist
Speaker 2: attackers with whom she corresponds, including Dylan Roof. When Matthew
Speaker 2: Allison was arrested, he was quote wearing a backpack containing
Speaker 2: zip ties, duct tape, a gun, ammunition, a knife, lock
Speaker 2: picking equipment, two phones, and a thumb drive. After his arrest,
Speaker 2: Allison was advised of his rights, but waived them and
Speaker 2: quickly confessed in a recorded interview to engaging in the
Speaker 2: acts alleged in the indictment. The pair are currently held
Speaker 2: without bond, with the government citing their own statements about
Speaker 2: their willingness to die in a shootout rather than be arrested,
Speaker 2: about Allison's go bag, which indicates a desire to flee
Speaker 2: the country, the severe of the charges which could send
Speaker 2: them to prison for the rest of their lives, and
Speaker 2: their own prior statements expressing a willingness to murder or
Speaker 2: to have murdered people they suspect. Our cooperating witnesses against
Speaker 2: other Terogram members like Brendan Russell. These cooperating witnesses have
Speaker 2: been given permission by the government to testify in a
Speaker 2: closed court room without being named. In Brandon Russell's case
Speaker 2: for Humber and Allison. There is not currently a date
Speaker 2: set for their next appearance in court, and with Humber
Speaker 2: and Allison in custody, the current version of the Tterogram.
Speaker 3: Collective is dead.
Speaker 2: But what does that mean? This is only one head
Speaker 2: of a hydra. Just as new leaders emerged after Slovak
Speaker 2: Borough was arrested in twenty twenty two, just as Brandon
Speaker 2: Russell continued to communicate with Humber after his arrest in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, a new poster will rise to take
Speaker 2: their place. Hopefully this case signals a shift and the
Speaker 2: government's approach to throwing of roadblocks in the paths of
Speaker 2: aspiring Nazi terrorists. Because a dildo saleswoman from California and
Speaker 2: a failed DJ from Idaho may spend the rest of
Speaker 2: their lives behind bars, but it's only a matter of
Speaker 2: time where for a new voice starts whispering white terror
Speaker 2: into the ears and impressionable teenage boys who are desperate
Speaker 2: to die in a way that will impress four Chan posters.
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