1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media. 2 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 2: It was a little after seven pm on a warm 3 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 2: Wednesday evening in October of twenty twenty two. Urai Van 4 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 2: Koulik and Matuschhorvath were sitting outside of Taplaren, a gay bar, 5 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 2: and brought us lavas city center. Matushe was studying Chinese 6 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,639 Speaker 2: at a nearby university. You or I was a drag 7 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 2: performer whose day job was designing the displays at a 8 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 2: clothing store. They were enjoying the evening outside of one 9 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 2: of the city's few dedicated queer spaces, and then they 10 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 2: were dead. They were shot by a teenager who left 11 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 2: behind a sixty five page neo Nazi manifesto before shooting 12 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 2: himself in a nearby park. August twelfth, twenty twenty four, 13 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:49,959 Speaker 2: was a sunny afternoon in the Turkish city of z Kisheher. 14 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 2: A teenager wearing a skull mask and a bulletproof vest 15 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 2: walked into the tea garden outside of a mosque and 16 00:00:56,240 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 2: stabbed five men before being tackled to the ground. Two 17 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 2: left a manifesto glorifying mass murder. In July of twenty 18 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 2: twenty four, a teenager in New Jersey who'd been planning 19 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 2: to destroy power substations in New Brunswick was arrested at 20 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 2: the Newark Airport before he'd fly to Ukraine to join 21 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 2: the Russian Volunteer Corps, where he hoped to learn the 22 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 2: skills he'd need to carry out acts of terror here 23 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 2: at home. These three teenagers never met, but they had 24 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 2: something in common. A murderer in Slovakia, an attempted murderer 25 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 2: in Turkey. They were alone when they walked the familiar 26 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 2: streets of their town, stalking their victims. They were alone 27 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 2: when they shocked. They were alone when they stabbed. They 28 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 2: hunted human prey as lone wolves. But there are no 29 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 2: lone wolves, not really. 30 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 3: The wolf pack is. 31 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 2: Online now, baying for more blood. 32 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 4: Between nineteen sixty eight and twenty twenty one, one hundred 33 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 4: and five white men and women of action, half tinging 34 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 4: out upon themselves, wage war against the system, and our 35 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 4: racial enemies are saying, to the best of our brothers, 36 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 4: and this is our legacy of white Terrier. 37 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 2: All three of these young men were incited to take 38 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:16,399 Speaker 2: action by propaganda produced by the Terragram Collective, a one 39 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 2: synonymous group of militant neo Nazi accelerationists on the messaging 40 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 2: app telegram. All three of them were radicalized by a 41 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 2: thirty four year old dildo saleswoman from California, narrating the 42 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 2: manifestos of their idols, the mass shooters who came before them. 43 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 2: I'm Molly Konger and this is weird, little guys. Urai 44 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 2: Krachik died by suicide sometime overnight after he murdered two 45 00:02:58,200 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 2: people outside of a gay bar and brought us a 46 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 2: law on October twelfth, twenty twenty two. His body was 47 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 2: found in a nearby public park early the next morning, 48 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 2: but he didn't shoot himself right away. After fleeing the scene, 49 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 2: he got online. That was where he was most at home, 50 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 2: after all, That was where he became the man he 51 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 2: was in the moment he fired those shots. A few 52 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:27,119 Speaker 2: hours before the attack, he tweeted out links to his manifesto. 53 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 2: After fleeing the scene of the shooting, he went home. 54 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 2: He told his parents what he had done. They argued, 55 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 2: but no one called the police. He left a handwritten 56 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 2: suicide note, retrieved a second gun from his father's safe, 57 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 2: and left the house again. His parents were the last 58 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 2: ones to see him alive. The city was crawling with 59 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 2: police that night, They were on high alert for the shooter, 60 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 2: worried he would act again, but even now that he 61 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 2: was armed with a fresh weapon, he didn't seek out 62 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 2: more targets. Krazik walked to a local park and checked 63 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 2: four chan on his phone. People were talking about him 64 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 2: about his attack. He wanted to see what they were saying. 65 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 2: Four Chan users quickly connected the shooting to his Twitter account. 66 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 2: As he'd walked home after the attack, he tweeted hashtag 67 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 2: brought a slava feeling no regrets? 68 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 3: Isn't that funny? 69 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 2: On four Chan, they were already discussing the manifesto he'd 70 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 2: tweeted out. One poster asked why would a Slovakian write 71 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 2: his manifesto in English? And this was the first post 72 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 2: the shooter replied to He wrote, because I felt like it. 73 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 2: If you're familiar with four chan, first of all, i'm sorry, 74 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 2: but if you've spent any time on there, you know 75 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 2: it's not a friendly place, and not just unfriendly to outsiders. 76 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 2: Even people who share similar ideologies are at each other's throats, 77 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 2: hurling insults, said engaging in an eternal competition to be 78 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 2: the nastiest person with an Internet connection. Posters mocked the 79 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 2: shooter for killing only two people, and asked why he'd 80 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 2: chosen such low value targets. Even as they celebrated the 81 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 2: deaths of his victims, they bullied the shooter for not 82 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 2: doing more, for not doing it better, for not doing 83 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 2: it differently. They were Monday morning quarterbacking Murder Life is 84 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 2: just a first person shooter game for the keyboard Warrior 85 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 2: mass shooting enthusiast. To these comments, Krazil replied that he'd 86 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 2: wanted to shoot the Slovakian Prime Minister at Ward Hager, 87 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 2: writing wish I could have gone higher, but whatever wanted 88 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 2: to bag the Prime Minister, but I didn't get lucky 89 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:48,239 Speaker 2: with his car arriving. Later. News reports do in fact 90 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 2: confirm that he was seen that evening on security camera 91 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 2: footage outside the Prime Minister's home an hour before the shooting. 92 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 2: The same news report maps out his walk home after 93 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 2: the shooting, a route that took him through a largely 94 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 2: Jewish neighborhood. Rejik lamented on four Chan that night that 95 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 2: he had wanted to shoot the Kabbad House too, but 96 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 2: he'd run out of ammunition, writing wish I could pull 97 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 2: off more, got nearly no amm O bro posters on 98 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 2: four Chan were skeptical that the man replying to them 99 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 2: was truly the shooter himself, and demanded that he post 100 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 2: some kind of proof. A little after eleven thirty pm, 101 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 2: four hours after fleeing the scene of the shooting, he did. 102 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 2: It's dark wherever he was. You can't see anything in 103 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 2: the background. The flash illuminates only the subject of the selfie. 104 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 2: He's completely expressionless. There's no smile, no bravado, no fear even. 105 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 3: There's just nothing. He's looking straight at. 106 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,479 Speaker 2: The camera, holding his phone with one hand and making 107 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 2: a finger gun that points directly at the viewer with 108 00:06:54,040 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 2: the other. Have a last selfie, he says. Most of 109 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 2: his posts on the four chan thread that night are 110 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 2: in English. It is the lingua franca of the site, 111 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 2: after all. But one user responds to this selfie in 112 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 2: Slovak translated. The comment reads, what happened boy? Why don't 113 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 2: you smile anymore? Reality set in? Did you fall for 114 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 2: the meme? Stupid? 115 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 4: Right? 116 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 2: The shooter replied to that comment in Slovak, saying, speak 117 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 2: for yourself. In attaching a second selfie, he's smiling this time, 118 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 2: kind of. It's hard to say you feel any sorrow 119 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 2: for a man who just murdered two people in cold 120 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 2: blood and then logged onto four Chan to take credit 121 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 2: for it. And I don't not really not for this murderer, 122 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 2: but he was just a boy once, a boy whose 123 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 2: fake smile shows the still slightly rounded cheeks of a 124 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 2: kid who won't live to see the last adolescent changes 125 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 2: to his face. His forced smile, a smile that doesn't 126 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 2: reach the eyes. That selfie taken in the dark, somewhere 127 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 2: in the trees on the edge of town will probably 128 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 2: stay with me. 129 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 3: For a while. 130 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:10,559 Speaker 2: He engages with the four Chan thread for nearly an hour, 131 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 2: answering questions and repeatedly acquiescing to demands for proof that 132 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 2: it's really him. He posts a picture of a handwritten 133 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 2: note with a time and date, posts another selfie, this 134 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 2: time with his shoe on top of his head. This 135 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 2: is a common form of proof demanded on four Chan 136 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 2: to determine if you are really interacting with someone who 137 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 2: is who they say they are and in real time. 138 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 2: I guess the idea is that most people have a 139 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 2: shoe nearby, but most people don't have old photos of 140 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 2: themselves online with a shoe on their head, So if 141 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 2: you can produce such a photo on request. You probably 142 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 2: are the person in the photo and not just someone 143 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 2: using photos of a stranger that you found online. Another 144 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 2: user asks him to spell out the N word and 145 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 2: leaves on the ground and post a picture of that. 146 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 2: He says it would take too long to spell out 147 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 2: the whole word, and posts a blurry photo of leaves 148 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 2: arranged in the shape of the letter N. Another user 149 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 2: asks him what's going through your mind right now, and 150 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 2: he says, sad for my family, happy with my own life. 151 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 2: Nothing for the two f slurs soon a bit of lead. 152 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 2: Another user asks if he plans to spend decades in 153 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 2: prison or if he'll kill himself. He replies with two 154 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 2: words and hero, which is memespeak for dying by suicide. 155 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 2: His last four Chan posts was shortly before midnight. Four 156 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 2: Chan users are perpetually caught in between their desire for 157 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 2: and celebration of acts like this and their frustration that 158 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 2: this kind of thing makes them. 159 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 3: All look bad. 160 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 2: You know, it makes them look like exactly what they are, 161 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 2: the kind of people goading a teenage murderer into killing 162 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 2: himself writes, you have made everyone on this board look 163 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 2: like a terrorist. Is that what you wanted? Also repent 164 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 2: hell is real? His reply his final post reads only 165 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 2: not my problem. On Twitter, his final post was a 166 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 2: little after midnight in Slovak, he wrote see you on 167 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 2: the other side. A Slovak language news report says that 168 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 2: two days before the attack, he had called a mental 169 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 2: health crisis hotline. He said, I have to die, but 170 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 2: I am very afraid, and then he hung up. But 171 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 2: in his final hours he didn't call back. He didn't 172 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:47,439 Speaker 2: call that hotline. He didn't turn himself in or seek help. 173 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 2: He sought reassurance and support from the place least likely 174 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 2: to provide it. He logged onto four Chan, hoping to 175 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 2: see his acts hailed as heroic, but they. 176 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:58,839 Speaker 3: Just laughed at him. 177 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:03,439 Speaker 2: He was dead before terogram canonized him, placing him in 178 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 2: the Pantheon of terror. He worshiped. Authorities in Slovakia weren't 179 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 2: able to ping his cell phone location until five am. 180 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 2: The cell phone provider didn't have any employees working overnight. 181 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 2: His body was found in the park around seven am. 182 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 2: It's not clear exactly when he died, but if I 183 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 2: had to put money on it, I'd guess he died 184 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 2: in real life shortly after he logged off. He posted 185 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 2: right up through the end, and that's all we really knew. 186 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 2: In October of twenty twenty two, the manifesto was online 187 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 2: for all to see. In the manifesto, he includes the 188 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 2: Terogram Collective in his list of special thanks at the end, 189 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 2: writing you know who you are. Thank you for your 190 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 2: incredible writing and art, for your political texts, for your 191 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 2: practical guides building the future of the White Revolution one 192 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:59,239 Speaker 2: publication at a time. In the section of the manifesto 193 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 2: under the header recommended reading, he lists many of the 194 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 2: usual suspects. He was inspired by the christ Church mosque 195 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 2: shooting and recommends that shooter's manifesto. He praises the terrorist's Bible, 196 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 2: William Luther Pierce's novel The Turner Diaries, and even recommends 197 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 2: the prequel, an even sloppier novel called Hunter, But he 198 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 2: also recommends two other lesser known publications, two of the 199 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 2: four publications authored by the Terragram Collective. He lists these two, 200 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 2: Militant Accelerationism and The Hard Reset, last, writing, if the 201 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,319 Speaker 2: other books give a theoretical and fictional base for our resistance, 202 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 2: these two provide the practical means for it. They also 203 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 2: go into a deeper dive into some issues, concepts, and things. 204 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 2: Anyone who seeks to fight Zog should know. These two 205 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 2: may be harder to find than the other books I listed, 206 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 2: but you can find them if you look in the 207 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 2: right places. The link between the Brodislava shooting and the 208 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:02,679 Speaker 2: Tterogram Collective was never a secret. It was right there 209 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:06,599 Speaker 2: all along. He said it himself. He recommended their propaganda 210 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 2: and thanked them in the acknowledgments. But when he was 211 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 2: posting on Fortune that night he lied about something earlier 212 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 2: in this Murderer's Q and a session. Someone asked him, 213 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 2: have you been talking to some other people over telegram, 214 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 2: discord or signal? And he replies, made my own decision 215 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,679 Speaker 2: to do this. I had barely any dms with people 216 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 2: on telegram or wherever. And he later followed up with 217 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 2: their channel owners. Hence the annan part, don't know their names. 218 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 2: They produced good content. Though Craigich was trying to backtrack 219 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 2: on his initial post that he'd exchanged direct messages with 220 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:50,199 Speaker 2: anyone in the lead up to the attack, the truth, 221 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,439 Speaker 2: as it turns out, is that he wasn't just reading 222 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 2: the material produced by the Telegram Collective he was in 223 00:13:56,040 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 2: active communication with its leaders. This age murderer in Slovakia 224 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 2: hadn't just posted his manifesto online before the attack. He'd 225 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 2: also sent it directly to someone immediately after. He wanted 226 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 2: to be certain that his message got out, so he 227 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 2: sent it to someone he knew would spread it, someone 228 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 2: who had helped him craft it. He sent the manifesto 229 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 2: to Matthew Allison, a man in his thirties living in Boise, Idaho, 230 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 2: earlier this month. In September of twenty twenty four, Matthew 231 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 2: Allison of Boise and Dallas Humber of Elk Grove, California, 232 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 2: were arrested in charge in a fifteen count indictment with 233 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 2: soliciting hate crimes, soliciting the murder of federal officials, interstate threats, 234 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 2: distributing information relating to explosives, and conspiring to provide material 235 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 2: support to terrorists. The pair are alleged to be the 236 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 2: ringleaders of the Terragram Collective, that association of pseudonymous posters 237 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 2: on telegram that produced Neo Nazi acceleration propaganda and now, 238 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 2: according to the Department of Justice, the Terogram Collective can 239 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 2: also be called a transnational terrorist group According to the 240 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 2: allegations in the indictment, Krajik was an active member of 241 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 2: the group's chat for a year. 242 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 3: Leading up to the shooting. And I guess I should 243 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 3: back up a little bit and explain a little more. 244 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 2: About what's going on in these chats, as much as 245 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 2: I would really rather not. There are plenty of Nazi 246 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 2: chat rooms. There is no shortage of places online where 247 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 2: a racial slur enthusiast can log on and share ideas 248 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 2: with other guys who hate black people and Jewish people, 249 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 2: and gay people, and immigrants and women and whatever. Pick 250 00:15:56,640 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 2: your flavor. It's out there in abundance. This is something 251 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 2: much darker. These are accelerationists, people who believe their goals 252 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 2: can only be achieved by driving society over the brink 253 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 2: and into total collapse. 254 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 3: They believe that. 255 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 2: Acts of mass murder, terrorism, and destruction are the necessary 256 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 2: course of action to create the chaos required to allow 257 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 2: a new world to be born, a world built by 258 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 2: and four white men alone. 259 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 3: And they aren't just talking about it. 260 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 2: The Terogram Collective has produced a series of what would 261 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 2: you call them manuals, manifestos, zines, terrorism handbooks. They've put 262 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 2: out four written publications in one short documentary, all directed 263 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 2: at providing both inspiration and explicit instruction on how their 264 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 2: followers can commit acts of unspeakable violence. In their online spaces, 265 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 2: past acts are celebrated. One of the core elements of 266 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 2: the group's ship language is this pantheon of saints. It's 267 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 2: not the saints you're thinking of. This is a gruesome hagiography. 268 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 2: They've canonized mass shooters. They celebrate the Saint Day of 269 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 2: each shooter on the day of their atrocity. Robert Bowers, Unders, 270 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:25,640 Speaker 2: Bravic Dylan Rue, Brenton, Terran, Patrick Crusius, Anton London Patterson, 271 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:30,360 Speaker 2: murderers from infamous to obscure murderers from all over the world. 272 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:37,880 Speaker 2: The criteria for sainthood are fivefold, race, motive, intent, score, 273 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 2: and worldview. The prospective saint must, of course, be white. 274 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 2: There is occasionally some debate in the Nazi community about 275 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 2: whether they should offer their begrudging respect for non white 276 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:54,360 Speaker 2: mass murderers, who nevertheless kill large numbers of people they 277 00:17:54,359 --> 00:18:00,239 Speaker 2: deem worthy targets, but the answer is generally no. They 278 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 2: would celebrate something like the Pulse night club shooting, which 279 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 2: killed nearly fifty people, most of whom were both Latino 280 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 2: and members of the queer community. That perpetrator cannot be 281 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 2: celebrated as a saint because he fails the first test. 282 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 2: He isn't white. Intent, motive, and worldview all feel like 283 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 2: they kind of describe the same thing. So I'm not 284 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:25,360 Speaker 2: sure why there are five criteria when they probably could 285 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 2: have condensed it down to three. But the attack must 286 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 2: be deliberate, that's intent, committed in the spirit of our struggle, 287 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 2: that's motive, and be motivated by a white nationalist ideology. 288 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 2: Though they are willing to make some exceptions. There's a 289 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 2: little wiggle room here for attacks that are right wing 290 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 2: but not explicitly neo Nazi. And score means exactly what 291 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 2: you probably think it means. They're keeping score, they're counting bodies. 292 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 2: Sometimes if you log into the worst kind of place 293 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 2: during an active attack or in the immediate aftermath of one, 294 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 2: you'll see eager speculation that someone could be getting a 295 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 2: new high score, like it's some kind of video game. 296 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 2: And there are no exceptions to this requirement. You cannot 297 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 2: become a Terogram saint with a score of zero. Someone 298 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 2: has to die. These ideas didn't originate with Matthew Allison 299 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 2: and Dallas Humber. Both of them have been members of 300 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 2: this online community for years since at least twenty nineteen. 301 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 2: In twenty twenty two, after the arrest of one of 302 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 2: the community's most prolific posters, they became the group's leaders. 303 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 2: A user who posted as Slovak bro Pavel Benedick, was 304 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 2: arrested in Slovakia in early twenty twenty two and eventually 305 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 2: sentenced to six years in prison for his support of 306 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 2: terrorism and Slovak Brough isn't the only Terogram author to 307 00:19:55,720 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 2: land himself in prison. Brandon Russell, the Adam Woffin founder, 308 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,959 Speaker 2: currently awaiting trial on charges of conspiracy to blow up 309 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 2: the power grid in Baltimore, was in close communication with 310 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 2: members of the group before and after his arrest. He 311 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 2: appears to have participated in the creation of at least 312 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 2: some of the group's work. Two men in Canada were 313 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 2: arrested last fall, with the Royal Canadian Mounted Police press 314 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 2: release alleging that they too had participated in the creation 315 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 2: of Tarogram manifestos. Their cases are ongoing and subject to 316 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 2: a publication ban in Canada, so the extent of their 317 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 2: involvement and the possibility that revelations in those cases had 318 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 2: some bearing on the investigation here in the US is 319 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:41,400 Speaker 2: unknown right now. As the leaders of the Tarogram collective, 320 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 2: Dallas Humber and Matthew Allison, are alleged to have directly 321 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,719 Speaker 2: contributed to acts of terrorism. 322 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 3: All over the world. 323 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 2: Their publications provided detailed instructions on how to make bombs, 324 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 2: how to make napalm at home with materials you can 325 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 2: buy at the hardware store, the most efficient way to 326 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 2: destroy an electrical substation with rifle fire, and how to 327 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 2: identify the most valuable targets in your area, targets that 328 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 2: could be infrastructure or human. They maintained a document called 329 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 2: the List, a list of high value assassination targets. For 330 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 2: each name on the list, there was a little graphic 331 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 2: like a trading card. The target's name, home address, and 332 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 2: photograph were always featured, along with the reasons why they 333 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 2: were considered an enemy of the cause. Those reasons, as 334 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 2: you might expect, tended to be related to the target's identity. 335 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 2: They're Jewish, they're gay, they're an immigrant, or some other 336 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 2: kind of undesirable in their eyes. The names on the 337 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 2: list include senators, judges, a former federal prosecutor, state and 338 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 2: local government officials, and non profit employees. In their chats, 339 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,360 Speaker 2: they posted the list often, and would sometimes post individual 340 00:21:56,440 --> 00:22:00,919 Speaker 2: members of the list alongside encouragement to take action. In 341 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 2: one exchange described in the indictment, a member of the 342 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 2: group chat asked if there were any members of the 343 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 2: list located in his area. The administrator of the group 344 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 2: responded with a trading card image for a target in 345 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 2: a city in the poster's area. The user replied, we 346 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 2: already have this one, and asked the channel administrator to 347 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,159 Speaker 2: tag him if any new names were added to the 348 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 2: list in his area. A user the government alleges is Dallas. 349 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:30,199 Speaker 2: Humber replied, we'll do. A week later, she tagged that 350 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 2: same user with a new name in the same city. 351 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 2: He replied, very good, I'll check in with my guys now. 352 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,239 Speaker 2: And it wasn't just members of the list who were 353 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 2: in danger. Humber and Allison would routinely remind members of 354 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 2: the group of the kinds of targets they should be 355 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:50,679 Speaker 2: seeking out. In June of twenty twenty three, Humber posted 356 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 2: numerous exhortations to followers that they should be targeting Gay 357 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 2: Pride Month events, writing in one post. 358 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 1: Mass shootings, arson bombings, vehicle tax The list goes on, 359 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: and the opportunities provided to you this month will be plentiful. 360 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: Don't let them go to waste. What's more impactful boycotting 361 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 1: target or getting dozens of targets in your sights and 362 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 1: taking them out permanently. Actions speak louder than words. Direct 363 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: lethal action speaks louder than any boycott. This Pride month, 364 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: give us what we truly need, a new saint to 365 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: be proud of and a glorious new attack to celebrate. 366 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 1: You've got the means an opportunity. All you need is 367 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,880 Speaker 1: the will. Don't breathe a word of what you're planning 368 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: to anyone, and make it count. 369 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 2: Make it count. That's a frequent refrain. Make it Count 370 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 2: as the title of one of the group's terrorism manuals. 371 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,919 Speaker 2: It's also the final line of the broadess Lava Shooters Manifesto. 372 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 2: The line itself comes from seed the collected essays of 373 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 2: James Mason. If the Turner Diaries is their Bible, siege 374 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 2: is perhaps a missile or a brevery. Maybe the analogy 375 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,919 Speaker 2: doesn't hold. I don't know, but Mason is the godfather 376 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 2: of modern fascist terrorism read Siege was such a constant 377 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 2: directive in so many Nazi chats for so long that 378 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 2: it's more of a meme than an actual instruction. At 379 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 2: this point. Mason wrote the Siege newsletter throughout the early 380 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 2: to mid eighties. The essays were collected and published in 381 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 2: book form in the early nineties, but the text languished 382 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,919 Speaker 2: in relative obscurity until it was rediscovered by users of 383 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 2: the Nazi forum Iron March in the early twenty tens. 384 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 2: It's no coincidence that Adam Wafflin was born on the 385 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,400 Speaker 2: pages of that forum, in the bubbling ideological soup where 386 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 2: young men were exchanging their favorite passages of Siege. It's 387 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:56,159 Speaker 2: a messy sprawling six hundred or so pages, depending on 388 00:24:56,200 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 2: the addition you've bootlegged from some terrorism chat room. It's 389 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:04,640 Speaker 2: mostly useless ramblings. There's a lot of repetitive content. It 390 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 2: wasn't written to be a book, to be fair. The 391 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,479 Speaker 2: line make it count comes from the end of the 392 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 2: August nineteen eighty two newsletter, in a missive titled Biting 393 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 2: the Bullet. Like much of the avice in Siege, this 394 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 2: essay is about taking action, about choosing the time, the target, 395 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,439 Speaker 2: and the circumstances of your attack on the system, because 396 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 2: you may only get one chance to strike. The essay concludes, 397 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 2: quote in revolution, the price of failure generally is death. 398 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 2: So whatever you do, and whatever course you choose, don't 399 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:46,360 Speaker 2: sell yourself cheap. Make it count. Make it count. The 400 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 2: Collective's Terrorism Guide by the same name and The Hard 401 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 2: Reset both contain diagrams of electrical transformers and instructions for 402 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 2: damaging them, released around the same time, both in June 403 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:03,120 Speaker 2: of twenty twenty two. Make It Counts a light fourteen pages. 404 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 2: It's more propaganda than manual. The page titled Blackout is 405 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 2: dominated by a large graphic of a rifle with a 406 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 2: scope and big neon text that reads, in all caps, 407 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 2: locate substation, range find shoot transformers, flee undetected, which I 408 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 2: guess are technically instructions. They're just not very good ones. 409 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 2: The Hard Reset, on the other hand, is a nearly 410 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:37,439 Speaker 2: three hundred page compilation of essays, graphics, manuals, and just 411 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 2: a nightmarish collection of fonts and colors that would make 412 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 2: a graphic designer weep around. Halfway through, there's a section 413 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:50,360 Speaker 2: containing incredibly detailed instructions, complete with diagrams for sabotaging all 414 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 2: manner of infrastructure, how to derail a train, how to 415 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 2: damage a cell phone tower, things to consider when bombing 416 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 2: a truck depot, ways you might contaminate a municipal water 417 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 2: treatment planned, and of course four pages of advice on 418 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:09,679 Speaker 2: sabotaging the power grid. Alongside mass shootings, attacks on the 419 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 2: power grid are the group's favorite fixation. We talked a 420 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,120 Speaker 2: little bit about the concept in another episode a few 421 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 2: weeks ago, Lights Out about the Nazi paramilitary marines who 422 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 2: hope to knock out power in the Pacific Northwest. They 423 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 2: thought it would provide cover for a planned series of assassinations. 424 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 2: Those guys never got a chance to read the Terragram 425 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 2: collective manuals on the subject, they were arrested before they 426 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,679 Speaker 2: were written. But as I said in an episode, this 427 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 2: idea has been popular in right wing circles for decades. 428 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 2: Take out the power, chaos ensues, something something step three, 429 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 2: then race war. The middle part never really gets fleshed out, 430 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 2: but they all seem very convinced that something happens right 431 00:27:55,720 --> 00:28:00,200 Speaker 2: after it gets dark that causes a race war. I'm 432 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 2: not really sold on that logic, but they are bound 433 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 2: and determined to put holes in a substation. Nevertheless, the 434 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 2: indictment lists numerous occasions on which Dallas Humber encourages her 435 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 2: followers to take the advice provided in the manuals and 436 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 2: attack the grid. In December of twenty twenty two, after 437 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 2: these still unsolved attacks on electrical infrastructure in Jones County, 438 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 2: North Carolina on November eleventh, and Moore County on December third, 439 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 2: Humber posted encouragement for anyone planning a similar grid attack, 440 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 2: advising them not to let second thoughts or fear of failure, 441 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,479 Speaker 2: or fear of getting caught demotivate them. Do not let 442 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 2: this big mistake happen to you, she wrote in all caps, 443 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,719 Speaker 2: reminding them to have a plan, carry it out, and 444 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 2: keep their mouths shut. A few days later, she wrote. 445 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: Maybe that person could be you lining up your sights 446 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 1: on these metal behemoths from the tree line, squeezing the 447 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: trigger and retreating from the area with a shitting grin 448 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: on your face, knowing the chaos you've just unleashed. 449 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 2: And after a third still unsolved attack was carried out 450 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 2: just a month later in Randolph County, North Carolina, Humber posted. 451 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 1: Again everyone please take a moment to congratulate yourselves. It 452 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 1: seems as though this avenue of attack, an incredibly effective 453 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: one at that has really caught on. I like to 454 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: think that all our hard work in detailing its effectiveness 455 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 1: and showing our community how easy it is not only 456 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: to do but to get away with, has helped encourage 457 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 1: this death to the grid, death to the system. 458 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 2: So the Terrogram Collective isn't exactly taking credit for the 459 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 2: grid attacks in North Carolina, but they aren't not taking 460 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 2: credit for it either. She does credit herself and the 461 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 2: group with popularizing the idea. She speculates that perhaps the 462 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 2: attacker or attackers had read her work, read her words, 463 00:29:55,320 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 2: and listened to her voice and decided to act, But 464 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 2: there's no claim made that she knows who did it, 465 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 2: and maybe she doesn't. We don't actually know whether these 466 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 2: attacks were committed by someone inspired by the Terrogram Collective 467 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 2: at all, even if they were ideologically motivated. She didn't 468 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 2: invent the idea, and a similar attack out in Washington 469 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 2: State during the same time period was actually committed by 470 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 2: a pair of would be thieves who thought they could 471 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 2: get cash out of ATMs during a power outage, So 472 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 2: maybe it wasn't a terrorist at all, but if it was, 473 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 2: it is entirely possible that an attacker inspired by her 474 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 2: work was operating based off of a one directional relationship, 475 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 2: that this person consumed the content and acted on it 476 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 2: without ever actually having a conversation with the author. We 477 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 2: didn't learn until much later, though, that this wasn't the 478 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 2: case with the shooting in Broadislava, and we do know 479 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 2: that at least one would be grid attacker was definitely 480 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 2: in that chat and definitely in communit vacation with the 481 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 2: Tarogram collective. Andrew Takestov was arrested in July of twenty 482 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 2: twenty four at the Newark Airport. He was on his 483 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 2: way to Ukraine to join the Russian Volunteer Corps, a 484 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 2: neo Nazi paramilitary group of Russian citizens inside Ukraine who 485 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 2: opposed the Putin government Takeistov had been a member of 486 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 2: the Tarogram collective chat since at least January of twenty 487 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 2: twenty four, and in January of twenty twenty four he 488 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 2: made a new friend online. It isn't stated outright in 489 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 2: his charging documents or in the cases against Humber and Allison, 490 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 2: but it sounds like he made this friend in the 491 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,719 Speaker 2: Tterogram chat, and this friend turned out to be an 492 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 2: undercover FBI agent around this same time. In January of 493 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, Takeistov asks in the Terogram chat for 494 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 2: recommendations for quote documentaries about our guys made by our guys, 495 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 2: and he asks if anyone has more content like White Terror, 496 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 2: which is the twenty four minute documentary the Collective put 497 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 2: out in October of twenty twenty two. The video is 498 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 2: a compilation of descriptions of over one hundred white supremacist 499 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 2: attacks carried out between nineteen sixty eight and twenty twenty two. 500 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 2: It is, in their words, their litany of the Saints. 501 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 2: Humber narrates the video herself. She is the voice of Terogram, 502 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 2: but she's not very skilled voice actor, and that's not 503 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 2: just my opinion. The website Militant Wire, a publication that 504 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,960 Speaker 2: writes about political violence all over the world, wrote of 505 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 2: her narration. 506 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 5: It is both striking and seemingly incongruous to the material 507 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 5: the way a young, average female voice, devoid of ghoulish 508 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 5: stylization or of discernible malice and hatred, not only celebrates 509 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 5: acts of terrorism while parroting well established neo Nazi tropes 510 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 5: and slogans, but perhaps most of all, the unburden and 511 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 5: rather natural way that this young woman uses the most 512 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 5: cutting of racial slurs and homophobic pejoratives. It is one 513 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 5: thing to see edgy young men describe mass murder Dylan 514 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 5: Rufe as Saint Rufe on a message board, for example, 515 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 5: and quite another to hear a young woman say it 516 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 5: aloud and without traceable irony. 517 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 2: She sounds bored as she lists shootings, bombings, arsons and stabbings, 518 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 2: just droning out this list of the dead. The video 519 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 2: was published just days after the shooting in broad us Lava, 520 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 2: but it had already been finalized before the attack, so 521 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 2: he's not in it. The list of their murderer's heroes 522 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 2: ends with the Buffalo Supermarket shooter from May of twenty 523 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 2: twenty two, but the video concludes with Humber's deadpan reading 524 00:33:55,760 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 2: of an ominous message. The list is always growing, and 525 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 2: you could join it. 526 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 4: And to the saints of tomorrow watching this today, know 527 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 4: that when you succeed, you will be celebrated with reverence, 528 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 4: and your sacrifice will not be in vain. Hail the saints, 529 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 4: and hail are glorious. And bloody legacy of white hair. 530 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 2: When Takestav asked if they had any more content like 531 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:30,240 Speaker 2: that video, Humber replied with a file an audio recording 532 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:35,799 Speaker 2: of her reading the Jacksonville Dollar General Shooters Manifesto. The manifesto, 533 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 2: entitled A White Boy Summer to Remember, had just been 534 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 2: released that month by the Jacksonville Sheriff's Department. Humber quickly 535 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 2: recorded the audiobook version for the Teogram Collective, as she 536 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,800 Speaker 2: had with many manifestos before it. Her audio recording of 537 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,359 Speaker 2: the Broados Lava Shooters Manifesto was released to the chat 538 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 2: within a week of that attack, just as she'd promised 539 00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 2: Kraigik it would be before he died a few months later. 540 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 2: In April of twenty twenty four, Takistov posted again thanking 541 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,840 Speaker 2: Humber for links to videos providing instructions on attacking energy facilities. 542 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 2: One video in particular had instructions for using my lar 543 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,880 Speaker 2: balloons to damage power lines. Their conductive metal surface can 544 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 2: start a fire when it comes into contact with electrical infrastructure. 545 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 2: Takistanv was so pleased with this advice, it seems that 546 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,840 Speaker 2: he thought he might like to try it. Later that summer, 547 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 2: he met up with his new friend from the chat room, 548 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 2: though one he didn't know as an undercover FBI agent. Together, 549 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:40,280 Speaker 2: they drove around New Jersey looking at substations. Takistov proudly 550 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 2: shared the instructions for how to carry out the attack, 551 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 2: directing his friend to use my lar balloons to short 552 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:49,359 Speaker 2: circuit the transformer. He followed up by sending his friend 553 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 2: a copy of the hard Reset, telling him quote, it's 554 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,920 Speaker 2: really the only thing you need. It has ideology, it 555 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,880 Speaker 2: has how two guides, it has ideas for funny things. 556 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,439 Speaker 3: It goes into how you should plan it. 557 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,719 Speaker 2: It really goes into the thought process. Takustov told the 558 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 2: agent his new friend that his plan was to fly 559 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,319 Speaker 2: to Ukraine and volunteer with the Russian Volunteer Corps. He'd 560 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 2: chosen that group in particular because, according to the indictment quote, 561 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 2: the group was openly national socialist and more importantly, specialized 562 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:25,839 Speaker 2: in assassinations, attacks on power grids and other infrastructure sabotage. 563 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,040 Speaker 2: So he hoped to go over there, get some training, 564 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 2: do a little fighting, and then return home with new 565 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:37,399 Speaker 2: skills he could use here. He instructed his new friend 566 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 2: not to be idle in his absence that while Takistov 567 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,359 Speaker 2: was gone, he expected his new friend to carry out 568 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 2: at least one attack, perhaps the attack on the substation 569 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 2: they'd been discussing. He also recommended getting a rifle and 570 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:55,800 Speaker 2: a cheap burner phone. The burner phone wasn't for communication, though, 571 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 2: it was to be used to determine if a cell 572 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,400 Speaker 2: tower had been sufficiently dead imaged by rifle rounds that 573 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,799 Speaker 2: it no longer transmitted a signal. So you take the 574 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,360 Speaker 2: phone out, you start shooting at the tower, and if 575 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 2: the phone still has bars, keep shooting. In July, just 576 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,680 Speaker 2: a few days before he would board the plane to Ukraine, 577 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,320 Speaker 2: Takistav met up with his new friend one last time. 578 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,319 Speaker 2: This time they drove out to a warehouse full of 579 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:26,080 Speaker 2: trucking equipment. Takistov explained to the undercover agent how he 580 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,400 Speaker 2: should access the facility to damage equipment with a Molotov cocktail. 581 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:35,840 Speaker 2: He also suggested some strategies for derailing trains. He essentially 582 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:40,239 Speaker 2: talked through almost all of the infrastructure related attacks suggested 583 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,239 Speaker 2: by the Terogram collective publication that he'd already shared with 584 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 2: the agent, and then he tried to get on a plane. 585 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,279 Speaker 2: Takistov did not make his flight. On July tenth, he 586 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 2: was arrested at the airport. 587 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:55,440 Speaker 3: He's not due back. 588 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,799 Speaker 2: In court until October, but he is the attacker too 589 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,880 Speaker 2: listed in the indict against Dallas Humber and Matthew Allison. 590 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 2: That indictment lists three individuals that the government is confident 591 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:10,000 Speaker 2: they can prove were incited to action directly by the 592 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:16,120 Speaker 2: Terogram Collective. Attacker IE is the broadest lava shooter. Attacker 593 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,840 Speaker 2: three is the teenager who stabbed five men outside of 594 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,480 Speaker 2: a mosque in Turkey last month. He was taken into 595 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,240 Speaker 2: custody alive, and as far as reporting I can find, 596 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:29,440 Speaker 2: all of his victims are expected to survive. The teenager, 597 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,880 Speaker 2: identified by Turkish press only by his first name and 598 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 2: last initial, Arda K, was acknowledged by the Terogram Collective 599 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:39,760 Speaker 2: but not canonized as a saint. 600 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:41,440 Speaker 3: He failed. 601 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,560 Speaker 2: Although his intent, ideology, and worldview are consistent with the 602 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,920 Speaker 2: kind of murderer they're looking for, the teenager failed to 603 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,839 Speaker 2: take any lives, and more importantly. 604 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:54,759 Speaker 3: He isn't white. 605 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:59,279 Speaker 2: After the attack, Dallas Humber wrote in the chat he 606 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,359 Speaker 2: included the terror books and other saint manifestos in his file. 607 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 2: Dump gives shout outs to the other saints in his 608 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 2: manifesto and references several hard Reset passages. He was one 609 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:14,600 Speaker 2: hundred percent our guy. But he's not white, so I 610 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,800 Speaker 2: can't give him an honorary title. We can still celebrate 611 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:22,960 Speaker 2: his attack, though he did it for Terogram. She followed 612 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,120 Speaker 2: up later on writing we can hail him anyway. We 613 00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,239 Speaker 2: just can't add him to the pantheon. But yeah, it's 614 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 2: a great development regardless. Inspiring more attacks is the goal, 615 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:37,800 Speaker 2: and anyone claiming to be an accelerationist should support them. 616 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,680 Speaker 2: It isn't specified in the court documents whether our Decae 617 00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,799 Speaker 2: had ever directly participated in the Tarogram collective chats, but 618 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:48,160 Speaker 2: he certainly read their work. He wasn't just inspired by 619 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:52,600 Speaker 2: some shared ideology. He cites them directly in this manifesto. 620 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:59,360 Speaker 2: His manifesto, however, is written in Turkish, which you'd expect 621 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:04,319 Speaker 2: because there's something a little strange about the manifesto Uraikrazech 622 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:10,560 Speaker 2: left behind. It's in English. That's not entirely extraordinary. He 623 00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,840 Speaker 2: spoke English, though he'd never spent any time in an 624 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,720 Speaker 2: English speaking country. He probably would have learned it in school. 625 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,760 Speaker 2: He watched American television shows and movies. He had access 626 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,760 Speaker 2: to American music. He participated in online spaces where English 627 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:30,600 Speaker 2: is the primary language. But the manifesto is in perfect English. 628 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,920 Speaker 2: And I don't mean perfect English like from a textbook, 629 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:39,960 Speaker 2: something you could achieve through study. It's native English. It 630 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:44,600 Speaker 2: has idioms and terms of phrase and even mistakes that 631 00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:48,919 Speaker 2: only a native English speaker would really use. And that's 632 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,960 Speaker 2: not my opinion. According to an analysis by forensic linguist 633 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:58,040 Speaker 2: Julia Kupper published by the Accelerationism Research Consortium, the manifesto 634 00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,600 Speaker 2: was almost certainly written by a native English speaker who 635 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,960 Speaker 2: grew up in the United States, probably someone with a 636 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,720 Speaker 2: good education, and someone a bit older than Crazick, someone 637 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:13,919 Speaker 2: maybe in their forties. The obvious answer then is, well, 638 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:19,640 Speaker 2: he plagiarized it, right. It's copy paste, and that's surprisingly common. 639 00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,959 Speaker 2: A lot of manifestos lift large portions of their text 640 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:29,680 Speaker 2: from other similar documents. But Copper checked he hadn't. This 641 00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:33,080 Speaker 2: isn't copy pasta, this isn't someone else's manifesto. This was 642 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:38,280 Speaker 2: an original work, but Crechick couldn't have written it. Copper 643 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:42,640 Speaker 2: conducted a forensic linguistic analysis on the manifesto. The handwritten 644 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:46,520 Speaker 2: suicide note several hundred tweets from his account and the 645 00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:50,360 Speaker 2: four chan posts made the night of the shooting. She 646 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,239 Speaker 2: concluded that a second author was involved in both the 647 00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:57,080 Speaker 2: manifesto and some of the tweets, but that the four 648 00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:01,600 Speaker 2: chan posts and the suicide note were written by him alone. 649 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:05,120 Speaker 2: According to Covers analysis, there are some telltale signs of 650 00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,920 Speaker 2: two writers at work. When Krajik posted a photo on 651 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,120 Speaker 2: fourtune that night to prove he was who he said 652 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,600 Speaker 2: he was, he showed a handwritten note with the date 653 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,960 Speaker 2: on it, and we know he wrote this himself, and 654 00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:22,719 Speaker 2: in European fashion, he wrote the date day, month year, 655 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:29,839 Speaker 2: not month day year, as Americans would do. The manifesto, 656 00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:34,200 Speaker 2: though uses an American date format. In his tweets, there 657 00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,040 Speaker 2: are style shifts that seem to indicate two people may 658 00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,800 Speaker 2: have had access to the account. Changes in tone and vocabulary, 659 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,960 Speaker 2: and the way that punctuation is used, shifting between the 660 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,640 Speaker 2: European style and the American style of where commas and 661 00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:51,719 Speaker 2: periods go on either side of a quotation or parentheses. 662 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,759 Speaker 2: The American English style of formatting began appearing in the 663 00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,279 Speaker 2: tweets in May of twenty twenty two, the month he 664 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,960 Speaker 2: claims he began working on the manifesto and the plan 665 00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:07,040 Speaker 2: in Earnest. Kupper's report was published in early twenty twenty three, 666 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,719 Speaker 2: just six months after the attack and more than a 667 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,480 Speaker 2: year before the extent of Crojick's involvement with the terrogram 668 00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:17,080 Speaker 2: chat administrators came to light after their arrests. It raises 669 00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:21,520 Speaker 2: some questions we may not get answers to. Perhaps the 670 00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,720 Speaker 2: criminal proceedings against Alison and Humber will result in Twitter 671 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,120 Speaker 2: producing some records that could show more than one person 672 00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:33,279 Speaker 2: logging into the account, but maybe not. There may be 673 00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:39,600 Speaker 2: no satisfying conclusion to this mystery. But if an older, educated, 674 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,960 Speaker 2: native English speaking American author wrote most of that manifesto, 675 00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,200 Speaker 2: it certainly confers some responsibility onto that author for the 676 00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:52,680 Speaker 2: attack that accompanied it. The co author of the manifesto 677 00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,440 Speaker 2: didn't pull the trigger, but they may as well have. 678 00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,680 Speaker 2: If Humber and Allison are being prosecuted for their contributions 679 00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,799 Speaker 2: to this attack, in particular, whether or not they had 680 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,520 Speaker 2: fore knowledge whether or not they participated in the crafting 681 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:10,120 Speaker 2: of this manifesto would be a significant factor in the prosecution. 682 00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,960 Speaker 2: But who are these people? Who is Matthew Allison, Who 683 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,120 Speaker 2: is Dallas Humber? How did they end up running a 684 00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,959 Speaker 2: transnational terrorist organization that goads young men into committing acts 685 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:27,760 Speaker 2: of terrorism? Matthew Allison wasn't revealed as a Terrogram collective 686 00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,520 Speaker 2: administrator until this indictment was unsealed. We didn't know his 687 00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:36,239 Speaker 2: name until he was arrested, but Dallas Humber was unmasked 688 00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:41,279 Speaker 2: a year and a half ago. Researchers at Left Coast 689 00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:45,080 Speaker 2: Right Watch and independent investigative journalism outlet covering politics and 690 00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:50,840 Speaker 2: extremism identified Humber in March of twenty twenty three. The 691 00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:54,120 Speaker 2: story was confirmed and re reported by Huffington Post soon after. 692 00:44:55,560 --> 00:45:02,040 Speaker 2: Dallas Humber was miss Gorehound the Voice of Terror. The 693 00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,759 Speaker 2: story is a truly bizarre one. I'll link it in 694 00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:06,960 Speaker 2: the show notes, and I highly recommend checking out this 695 00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,120 Speaker 2: story in particular and Left Coast Right Watch in general. 696 00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,000 Speaker 2: They were able to locate the earliest days of Humber's 697 00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:18,440 Speaker 2: journey to becoming the Voice of White Terror. When she 698 00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,000 Speaker 2: was just thirteen, she was active on sites like deviant 699 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,520 Speaker 2: Art and live journal, where she described herself as a 700 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:29,400 Speaker 2: hopeless fangirl for serial killers. Their digital archaeology shows that 701 00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,480 Speaker 2: Humber has been making fan art for murderers for over 702 00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:37,440 Speaker 2: twenty years. She was describing herself as a National Socialist 703 00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,640 Speaker 2: in her online journal as early as two thousand and four, 704 00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:43,360 Speaker 2: when she was just fourteen. By twenty fourteen, she was 705 00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,720 Speaker 2: using one of the monikers she carried through to the present, 706 00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:51,399 Speaker 2: little Miss Gorehound. Quoting from lcrw's twenty twenty three write 707 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:55,439 Speaker 2: up on Humber quote, her earliest interest in gurro art 708 00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,839 Speaker 2: had become a full blown gore fetish. In its purest form, 709 00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,560 Speaker 2: guro is meant to simultaneously evoke a sense of eroticism 710 00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:08,680 Speaker 2: and grotesqueness. It's meant to make the viewer uncomfortable. At 711 00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:12,240 Speaker 2: its worst, it can only be described as hen Tai snuff. 712 00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,560 Speaker 2: Nearly all of her art from this period features abused women. 713 00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,719 Speaker 2: LCRW has chosen not to share the images as they 714 00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:24,839 Speaker 2: depict scenes of torture, dismemberment, and explicit sexual violence. For 715 00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,160 Speaker 2: the most part, the only women that aren't being subjected 716 00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,840 Speaker 2: to violence and brutality are perpetuating it against other women. 717 00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:36,080 Speaker 2: The men, however, are portrayed as strong, powerful, and heroic, 718 00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,520 Speaker 2: and by twenty nineteen, Humber had found her new online 719 00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:45,960 Speaker 2: home terrogram her now nearly twenty year old hobby of 720 00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,720 Speaker 2: creating gore art was right at home in an online 721 00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:53,160 Speaker 2: community devoted to celebrating mass murder. And now she wasn't 722 00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:58,920 Speaker 2: just drawing pictures of killers, she was drawing pictures for them. 723 00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,560 Speaker 2: She posted photos on Telegram of her correspondence with convicted 724 00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:07,960 Speaker 2: mass murderer Dylan Rufe. Several outlets have reported on these letters, 725 00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,440 Speaker 2: and they do point out that they were unable to 726 00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:14,400 Speaker 2: confirm with prison officials how often Humber was corresponding with Rufe, 727 00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,600 Speaker 2: but the images she posted matched the handwriting and style 728 00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:22,040 Speaker 2: of known samples of Roof's letters. In one letter she posted, 729 00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:26,480 Speaker 2: Rufe requests a drawing from her. He asks for quote 730 00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:31,960 Speaker 2: a wizard with mean slash, unfriendly eyebrows or a dragon 731 00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,640 Speaker 2: or an unfriendly eyebrowed wizard writing a dragon. 732 00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:38,440 Speaker 3: End quote. 733 00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:40,320 Speaker 2: I hope that's the only time I ever have to 734 00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:45,360 Speaker 2: quote Dylan Roof. The little Miss Gorehound account posted a 735 00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,440 Speaker 2: photo of the finished drawing of the unfriendly looking wizard 736 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:55,960 Speaker 2: with the caption finished Dylan's Wizard hashtag Saint Mail. She 737 00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:59,320 Speaker 2: also claimed to have written cards to Brenton Tarrant, imprisoned 738 00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,960 Speaker 2: in New Zealand. The murders of fifty one worshippers at 739 00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:06,480 Speaker 2: mosques in christ Church and to Anders Bravic, imprisoned in 740 00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,680 Speaker 2: Norway for the murder of seventy seven people, most of 741 00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:15,000 Speaker 2: whom were children. It's unclear what, if anything, Humber does 742 00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,799 Speaker 2: for a day job these days, but lcrw is write 743 00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:21,239 Speaker 2: up uncovered that for many years she made a living 744 00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:27,840 Speaker 2: as a dildo saleswoman using the pseudonym techs Hunter. But 745 00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:35,239 Speaker 2: after that article was published, nothing happened, nothing changed. We 746 00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:39,120 Speaker 2: knew who she was, but nobody made a move to intervene, 747 00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:43,720 Speaker 2: and she carried on as she always had. Shannon Foley 748 00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,239 Speaker 2: Martinez told Huffington Post back in March of twenty twenty 749 00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:49,839 Speaker 2: three that quote, it is an absolute given that terrogram 750 00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:54,480 Speaker 2: will inspire more shootings if left unchecked, and she's in 751 00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,360 Speaker 2: the heartbreaking position of knowing exactly what she's talking about. 752 00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,719 Speaker 2: Shannon was radicalized by a boyfriend as a teenager, but 753 00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,880 Speaker 2: quickly left the movement and has since dedicated decades of 754 00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:05,879 Speaker 2: her life to the ugly work of trying to keep 755 00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,879 Speaker 2: other people's children from falling prey to the recruiters who 756 00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:16,279 Speaker 2: target vulnerable teens. But the government waited and waited. They 757 00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:20,120 Speaker 2: watched too. I'm sure we know they had undercover agents 758 00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:24,799 Speaker 2: in the group, But they waited over a year. They 759 00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:28,080 Speaker 2: waited until more attacks took place. They waited until an 760 00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:31,840 Speaker 2: eighty seven year old man was stabbed outside of his mosque. 761 00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,799 Speaker 2: They waited while more and more young men were fed 762 00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:40,080 Speaker 2: heaping servings of rotten propaganda. They waited until September of 763 00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,920 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, a few weeks after that stabbing in Turkey. 764 00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:47,719 Speaker 2: In a piece published in Wire a few days after 765 00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:52,640 Speaker 2: the indictment, investigative journalist Ali Winston offers an intriguing explanation 766 00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,759 Speaker 2: for the timing. While most of the charges in the 767 00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,360 Speaker 2: indictment could have been brought at any time, things like 768 00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:02,839 Speaker 2: soliciting the murder of a federal AffA, disseminating information about explosives, 769 00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:07,240 Speaker 2: threatening communications, and so on, they've been doing that for years. 770 00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,520 Speaker 2: The final charge of this fifteen count indictment is a 771 00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:17,400 Speaker 2: violation of Chapter eighteen, Section two three three nine A 772 00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:23,080 Speaker 2: conspiracy to provide material support to terrorists. And this is 773 00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,279 Speaker 2: the most serious charge on the indictment. This is the 774 00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:29,200 Speaker 2: one that could put them away forever. And this charge 775 00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,280 Speaker 2: was only made possible by a decision earlier this year 776 00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,719 Speaker 2: by the Government of the United Kingdom. In April of 777 00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,840 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, the UK formally added the Terragram Collective 778 00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:44,200 Speaker 2: to its list of proscribed terrorist entities. A Home Office 779 00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:45,640 Speaker 2: announcement in April. 780 00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:49,640 Speaker 6: Reads the Telegram Collective has been prescribed as a terrorist 781 00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:53,760 Speaker 6: organization today after Parliament approved a draft order laid on Monday, 782 00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:57,279 Speaker 6: the twenty second of April. This order makes belonging to 783 00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:00,800 Speaker 6: the Terogram Collective or inviting support for the group criminal offense, 784 00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,640 Speaker 6: with a potential prison sentence of fourteen years, which can 785 00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,400 Speaker 6: be handed down alongside or in place of a fine. 786 00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,880 Speaker 6: In addition, Section fifty eight makes it a criminal offense 787 00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,239 Speaker 6: for a person to collect or possess information which is 788 00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,960 Speaker 6: likely to be useful to a person committing or repairing 789 00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:19,520 Speaker 6: for acts of terrorism, including where individual views or accesses 790 00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:23,800 Speaker 6: documents or records containing information of that kind. The Teogram 791 00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,200 Speaker 6: Collective has now been added to the list of prescribed 792 00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:32,520 Speaker 6: organizations in the UK, alongside eighty other organizations. 793 00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:38,160 Speaker 2: And with that announcement, Terogram is now a foreign terrorist organization. 794 00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,880 Speaker 2: And because people died and at least one of the incidents, 795 00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:43,839 Speaker 2: the government laid out in the indictment. As an act 796 00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:48,920 Speaker 2: the defendants insided they could go away for life. As 797 00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,839 Speaker 2: Ali Winston put it in that Wired article quote, In 798 00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:55,600 Speaker 2: other words, the US is treating Terogram in ways similar 799 00:51:55,640 --> 00:52:00,960 Speaker 2: to how it has treated Islamist terrorist organizations. Terrorism researcher 800 00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,239 Speaker 2: Seamus Hughes told Winston, quote, I would think of this 801 00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,960 Speaker 2: case more like an old school terrorism investigation, where you 802 00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:11,040 Speaker 2: have a leadership cell that pushed info to followers and 803 00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:16,239 Speaker 2: radicalized them into action. Cases involving this particular charge are 804 00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:21,120 Speaker 2: typically those involving groups like ISIS or al Qaida. I 805 00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:25,040 Speaker 2: don't think we've seen this used before against white nationalist 806 00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:30,160 Speaker 2: domestic terror organizations. Using this legal framework against a group 807 00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:33,160 Speaker 2: like the Terrogram collective may signal a shift in the 808 00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:37,640 Speaker 2: DOJ's strategy for targeting white nationalist terrorism in the United States. 809 00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:42,480 Speaker 2: It's a big swing, as Hughes said, quote, it shows 810 00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:44,640 Speaker 2: that either the FEDS are trying to make a point 811 00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:50,040 Speaker 2: or they were very concerned about these particular actors, and 812 00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:54,680 Speaker 2: maybe it's both right. It was long past time to 813 00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:59,560 Speaker 2: do something, anything, anything at all about the most significant 814 00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:03,240 Speaker 2: network of neo Nazi terrorist propaganda on the English speaking Internet. 815 00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:05,400 Speaker 3: People have already died. 816 00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,920 Speaker 2: There's every reason to believe the undercover agents they had 817 00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:12,719 Speaker 2: in the group knew that more people would die if 818 00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:17,720 Speaker 2: something didn't disrupt the organization. And maybe the Justice Department 819 00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:19,719 Speaker 2: is just feeling a little more willing to use the 820 00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:23,319 Speaker 2: tools they have to do something about right wing extremism 821 00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:27,600 Speaker 2: more generally, this is obviously a much more seismic shift 822 00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,080 Speaker 2: in policy. But we were just talking last week about 823 00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:33,120 Speaker 2: the false statements charges against a soldier who allegedly lied 824 00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:37,839 Speaker 2: about his extremist activities, and those charges were unusual and 825 00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:42,480 Speaker 2: perhaps indicative of a shift in policy and strategy. I 826 00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:45,319 Speaker 2: suppose it doesn't behoove me to make wilder speculations than 827 00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,719 Speaker 2: the experts are willing to make, So we'll stick with 828 00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:51,160 Speaker 2: what Seamus Hughes told Ally Winston. A case like this 829 00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:55,719 Speaker 2: had to get sign off at the highest levels. Somebody 830 00:53:55,880 --> 00:54:01,080 Speaker 2: in the DOJ wanted this network shut down. When the 831 00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:04,600 Speaker 2: pair were arrested earlier this month, authorities searched their homes. 832 00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:09,200 Speaker 2: Dallas Humber had three D printed guns, high capacity magazines, 833 00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:13,400 Speaker 2: a short barreled rifle, unregistered firearms, a lot of Nazi propaganda, 834 00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:18,279 Speaker 2: her own manifestos, and a notebook listing the white supremacist 835 00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:24,040 Speaker 2: attackers with whom she corresponds, including Dylan Roof. When Matthew 836 00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:27,880 Speaker 2: Allison was arrested, he was quote wearing a backpack containing 837 00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:32,600 Speaker 2: zip ties, duct tape, a gun, ammunition, a knife, lock 838 00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:38,480 Speaker 2: picking equipment, two phones, and a thumb drive. After his arrest, 839 00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,319 Speaker 2: Allison was advised of his rights, but waived them and 840 00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,319 Speaker 2: quickly confessed in a recorded interview to engaging in the 841 00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:48,200 Speaker 2: acts alleged in the indictment. The pair are currently held 842 00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:51,640 Speaker 2: without bond, with the government citing their own statements about 843 00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:54,160 Speaker 2: their willingness to die in a shootout rather than be arrested, 844 00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:58,439 Speaker 2: about Allison's go bag, which indicates a desire to flee 845 00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:01,560 Speaker 2: the country, the severe of the charges which could send 846 00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:04,080 Speaker 2: them to prison for the rest of their lives, and 847 00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:07,959 Speaker 2: their own prior statements expressing a willingness to murder or 848 00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:11,760 Speaker 2: to have murdered people they suspect. Our cooperating witnesses against 849 00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:17,440 Speaker 2: other Terogram members like Brendan Russell. These cooperating witnesses have 850 00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:19,799 Speaker 2: been given permission by the government to testify in a 851 00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:23,600 Speaker 2: closed court room without being named. In Brandon Russell's case 852 00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:27,719 Speaker 2: for Humber and Allison. There is not currently a date 853 00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:31,120 Speaker 2: set for their next appearance in court, and with Humber 854 00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:34,640 Speaker 2: and Allison in custody, the current version of the Tterogram. 855 00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:36,200 Speaker 3: Collective is dead. 856 00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,840 Speaker 2: But what does that mean? This is only one head 857 00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:44,960 Speaker 2: of a hydra. Just as new leaders emerged after Slovak 858 00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,920 Speaker 2: Borough was arrested in twenty twenty two, just as Brandon 859 00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:50,560 Speaker 2: Russell continued to communicate with Humber after his arrest in 860 00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:53,640 Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, a new poster will rise to take 861 00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:57,400 Speaker 2: their place. Hopefully this case signals a shift and the 862 00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,680 Speaker 2: government's approach to throwing of roadblocks in the paths of 863 00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:05,560 Speaker 2: aspiring Nazi terrorists. Because a dildo saleswoman from California and 864 00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:08,680 Speaker 2: a failed DJ from Idaho may spend the rest of 865 00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:12,160 Speaker 2: their lives behind bars, but it's only a matter of 866 00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:16,000 Speaker 2: time where for a new voice starts whispering white terror 867 00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:19,920 Speaker 2: into the ears and impressionable teenage boys who are desperate 868 00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,000 Speaker 2: to die in a way that will impress four Chan posters. 869 00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,400 Speaker 1: Weird Little Guys is the production of cool Zone Media. 870 00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:31,880 Speaker 5: For more from cool Zone. 871 00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:35,520 Speaker 1: Media, visit our website Coolzonemedia dot com or check us 872 00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:36,960 Speaker 1: out on the iHeartRadio app. 873 00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,160 Speaker 3: Or Wherever You get Here podcast