WEBVTT - Ben Affleck Gets REAL About Hollywood, Matt Damon and Michael Jordan 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.360 Welcome back all the smoke twenty twenty six. 0:00:02.400 --> 0:00:04.480 We get to start with a banger man New Year. 0:00:04.600 --> 0:00:09.960 Shout out Netflix Devils for this partnership and obviously giving 0:00:10.039 --> 0:00:11.880 us the opportunity to sit down with our next guest, 0:00:12.680 --> 0:00:14.320 someone I'm a huge fan of, been a fan for 0:00:14.320 --> 0:00:17.680 a long time yep, and has something called How's a 0:00:17.720 --> 0:00:20.040 company called Artist Equity which we're going to get into, 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:22.160 which I think is absolutely amazing. But without further ado, 0:00:22.160 --> 0:00:23.959 welcome to the show. Ben a Flack. 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:27.400 Legend, legend app You've been good to be here. Thank 0:00:27.400 --> 0:00:29.200 you very much to be here. 0:00:29.240 --> 0:00:33.960 Man a new movie release coming soon the Rip January sixteenth, 0:00:34.320 --> 0:00:36.760 got a chance to watch it last night. This is 0:00:36.800 --> 0:00:40.360 the first partnership between Netflix and Artists Equity of production company. 0:00:40.400 --> 0:00:44.600 You and Matt Launchton twenty twenty two. Your company is 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:47.680 pretty revolutionary when it comes to the streaming age, but 0:00:47.760 --> 0:00:51.120 also the structure in which people who work for your rewarded. 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:52.440 Can you break that down? 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:54.520 Yeah? Sure, this is the first time. 0:00:54.560 --> 0:00:56.360 Look like, you know, we had these strikes a couple 0:00:56.400 --> 0:00:58.520 of years ago and this business we were talking just 0:00:58.520 --> 0:01:01.279 before we started, you know, like things are changing a lot, right, 0:01:01.360 --> 0:01:03.200 and so there's a lot of uncertainty and a lot 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:05.800 of fear. And one of the things is like, hey, 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:08.480 you know, costs got to come down and blah blah blah, 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:11.440 and and yet you know, you have this whole streaming 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:14.160 universe that's obviously really expanding, has a lot of value. 0:01:14.280 --> 0:01:16.960 In the old days, you understood what the value was 0:01:17.000 --> 0:01:18.880 of stuff you did because you know, you see the 0:01:18.880 --> 0:01:20.680 box office and and that kind of thing, and there 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:24.280 was a value associated with it. And so during the strikes, 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:26.440 one of the things that we were trying to work 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:29.959 with the guilds and trying to volunteer was like to 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:32.800 create a like a streaming residual structure because in the 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:34.960 old days, like if you're on a TV show on 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:37.720 network or in a movie, you know, you knew how 0:01:37.720 --> 0:01:40.080 successful it was as an actor, you get paid a 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:43.640 residual right according to how how successful it was. And 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:46.800 when this model came along, it really changed things. And 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:48.960 so what we're trying to do with this is implement 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:54.480 the first performance based compensation structure where you know, we've 0:01:54.520 --> 0:01:57.160 worked with Netflix and very grateful and appreciate it. They've 0:01:57.160 --> 0:01:59.560 been really open engaging in this, and I think they 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:03.560 wanted to work so that they can kind of like 0:02:03.680 --> 0:02:06.640 implement this sense of fairness where like, so if you're 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:09.959 an actor in this, this movie or where you worked on, 0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:12.200 I've got twelve hundred people in the crew, all of 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:15.480 them are part of this bonus structure, and we kind 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:18.120 of set up these kind of these levels where like 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:21.919 if in the ninety days, the same number of people 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:23.720 watch it as watched you know, and they give us 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:25.840 movies that performed at a certain level in the past, 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:28.880 X movie, Y movie Z, Like their their biggest movie 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:30.800 I think is you know, K. 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:33.120 Pop Demon Hunters. So if it does that, you know, 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:38.040 it's a lottery hit. But there's additional compensation along the way. 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:40.680 And the way that the reason why we wanted to 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:43.640 do this is both because we're aware of like the 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:47.280 business is shifting. We want to protect and solidify this. 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:50.040 This is like a really strong and important I think 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:53.720 business for this community. And also, you know, I really 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:55.880 believe that you know, when you're working on a movie, 0:02:55.919 --> 0:02:57.519 like I said, you got twelve hundred people on the crew, 0:02:57.560 --> 0:03:00.280 You've got all your cast, you've got you know, your 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:02.880 producers and writers and everybody, and if you align them 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:06.880 where everybody's goal is to do something that people like 0:03:07.600 --> 0:03:10.720 instead of you know, and also you know how much 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:12.400 over time am I going to get and you know 0:03:12.440 --> 0:03:16.160 what's you know looking at the clock. My belief is 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:19.520 that you'll motivate people around creating the best product. Like 0:03:19.560 --> 0:03:20.880 that's the sort of team analogy. 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:22.520 And also it makes everyone feel like they really have 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:23.440 skin in the game. 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:26.000 Right Yeah, And it recognizes the fact that I really 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:28.079 believe and this is something that Match hears too. And 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:31.200 with Air we try to do the same thing that like, look, 0:03:31.440 --> 0:03:34.840 everybody working on this. It really is a community effort. 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:35.080 You know. 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:37.920 It sounds sort of like bullshit or like, you know, 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:40.119 people say shit like that, I think sometimes, but it's 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:43.400 I really believe this. Like if people understand, oh, hey, 0:03:43.760 --> 0:03:45.320 you know, we need to work hard to get this 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:47.120 extra shot or go a little bit further out there 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:49.120 and get this because we want to make it good. 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:51.880 Because at the end of the day, you're gonna be 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:54.400 proud if people see you and you're the whether you're 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:58.640 a driver or work construction, or you're electrician or camera 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:01.040 department or an actor, go like that, well. 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:03.760 That moved me or that touched me. That's meaningful. 0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:06.880 And I'm trying to focus people around that goal. It 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:08.720 also makes it easier when you're trying to do it. 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:11.320 You're not feeling like you have people working at odds 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:13.000 against each other, where some people like, we really don't 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:14.760 give a shit, you know, if you're gonna get your 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:16.480 extra shot or not because I got my kids and 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:17.239 I gotta go a dentist. 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:21.160 The full well you mentioned air and that structure paid 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:26.080 dividends for that crew, right, paid its been he did 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:26.560 really really well. 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:29.520 Yeah, bonus people very well. And uh, you know, we 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:32.200 we were able to be successful in doing that, and 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:33.919 this is the first time that we've but that was 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:36.200 one that was like after the fact, we were like, Okay, 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:38.360 if we come in under, if we can accomplish these 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:41.320 goals X, Y and Z will will bonus people, which 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:44.440 we did. What I'm trying to do is create a mechanism, 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:46.720 like a model, so that the next one come along. 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:47.760 Go okay, we'll do this too. 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:50.680 Where it's already pre legislating, just had to go through 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:54.240 everybody's like a function of your salary, how much extra 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:56.080 you're going to get at level one, two, three, four, 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:59.240 et cetera. And so that it can be a repeatable 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:01.920 thing that other people can do and that you kind 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:04.560 of you know, and also historically there's been like the 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:07.520 actors that get compensated and the crew has been kind 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:10.479 of treated differently, like oh, it doesn't matter after the fact. 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:12.920 You guys just get what you get and women. But 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:15.760 that's I'm trying to, you know, kind of unite that 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:18.000 and you know. 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:20.280 We'll see what happens. People gotta people gotta watch. It's 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:21.640 gotta be successful. 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:22.440 Regardless what you do. 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:24.760 When you treat people, when you appreciate people, they work 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:25.600 hard for you. 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:27.000 You know what I'm saying. I think people love the 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:28.120 fact that you're doing that. 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:31.960 That is absolutely that's the most important lesson. I realize 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:34.400 that like you show people that you value what they're 0:05:34.440 --> 0:05:37.200 doing and that what they're bringing to the process. 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:37.760 Is meaningful to you. 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:40.560 It doesn't mean that you know everything's great, or sometimes 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:42.560 it means going like this isn't good enough, right, we 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:43.240 got to do better. 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:45.159 But when it is right and when. 0:05:45.040 --> 0:05:46.800 It does make a difference, and you let people know, 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:49.719 like people will die for you, like people will go 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:52.680 the whole way for you, and that it's like selfishly 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:55.560 for me as director as an actor, I'm like this 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:57.480 this way of doing things. 0:05:57.240 --> 0:06:00.799 Works as someone who broke in during a box office 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:04.719 era movie theater era transitioning into mainly streaming. Now, what 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:07.080 are your thoughts on just the two and the difference. 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:10.000 Obviously, you know, I feel like sometimes I feel like 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:11.680 it makes me feel old, you know, because there's that 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:14.440 tendency to be like, you know, to want to freeze 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:16.840 the culture right where it was when you know, when 0:06:16.880 --> 0:06:19.040 you were like, you know, had that moment of like, oh, 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:21.680 how come everybody and I, you know, is all this 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:24.520 streaming thing and they're not going to the movies. Like yeah, 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:26.479 I get it because when I was a kid, you know, 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:28.880 you had three networks and then like oh here comes 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:30.000 like uhf. 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:31.520 And you had a couple and then you went to 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:33.120 the movies. There wasn't a shit else to do. 0:06:33.400 --> 0:06:36.359 There wasn't YouTube, there wasn't TikTok, there wasn't even cable 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:39.159 and then satellite TV. So the more options there are, 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:43.039 you know, everybody's competing for the same dollars effectively, which 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:46.640 is people's attention, balls, eyeballs, and and so if you 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:48.920 do you know, if you just look at the math 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:50.960 on that, there's only so many people and when you 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:51.920 break it up like this. 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:54.160 You know, there's just more competition. 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:56.800 I mean, YouTube by itself, like people don't realize just 0:06:57.400 --> 0:07:00.600 you know, took a huge cut out of the entertainment 0:07:00.600 --> 0:07:03.560 business because that's where the majority of people now are 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:07.839 watching and getting entertainment from. So you know, I feel like, look, 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:10.440 as long as people it's also kind of like you 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:13.120 got to take accountability, right, Like I like to go 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:15.120 to the movies, I like to go to the movie theaters. 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:17.720 I myself don't go as often as I did when 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:19.880 I was eighteen years old, So be hypocritical of me 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:22.000 to sit here and be like, well, why isn't it 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:23.440 the way it was when I was a kid. Well, 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:25.960 you know, because maybe it's because you know, I'm fifty 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:26.640 and I want to. 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:29.640 Like pause and like the bits and to resume the 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:30.120 next day. 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:32.880 So I can't be hypocritical. But there's a lot of 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:34.560 people that like going to the movies in theaters. 0:07:34.600 --> 0:07:35.120 I do too. 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:38.000 I think that will continue. I also, it's not like 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:40.200 when I was young. You know, my dad had like 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:43.080 eleven inch black and white TV, you know what I mean, 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:45.720 And that kind of sucked. Now you've a couple hundred hours, 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:46.880 you get a sixty inch. 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:48.400 And you know, just look better. 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:50.560 Shout out Netflix. We did exactly what you said. 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:52.720 We started the movie, the kids started fucking acting up, 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:54.320 so when we had to get them down in bed 0:07:54.360 --> 0:07:55.720 and put them in bed and then got to finish 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:56.080 the movie. 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:57.320 You can't do it at the theaters. 0:07:57.400 --> 0:07:59.880 Yeah, and it's unless you your stuff be seen. 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:02.080 You know, why aren't you on social media? I mean 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:05.040 I see your energy, your passion. I think it would 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:07.520 be something you would be really good in, but you 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:08.640 choose not to. 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:13.000 You know, Like I give you a lot of answers. 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:17.160 I just know I get in trouble, you know what 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:17.480 I mean? 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:18.280 And I. 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:21.640 Yeah, man, I mean I got in enough trouble in 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:24.080 my life to know, and I do. I like to 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:24.920 talk and I. 0:08:24.880 --> 0:08:26.520 Have opinions and then. 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:29.680 I think, like, you know, I learned early on as 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:32.520 I've been around and been through a couple of cycles 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:36.440 of up and down. That's also like sometimes people don't 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:38.800 want to hear all that much from you know, from actors, 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:41.680 and that there is a level that's kind of appropriate, 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:43.880 But honestly that's kind of bullshit too. The truth is 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:46.760 like I don't want to find out, you know, I 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:50.320 don't want to deal with the backlash of something all 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:52.360 the time. And what I see from people that do it, 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:55.440 even people that do it well, it's it's a huge 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:56.800 amount of work lies and all of a sudden, I 0:08:56.840 --> 0:08:58.880 just see people sweating. I gotta post something, I gotta 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:01.600 get something up there, and you're putting this whole other 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:02.960 job right on top. 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:05.760 Of the good job. Bro. It took. 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:07.720 It takes a couple of years off your life. You 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:09.920 look at your your I can career in two different arcs. 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:12.040 I'm gonna read the quote that you said a few 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:14.480 years back. One of the best things that happened to 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:17.559 me was to become really successful young and to feel 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:19.680 like a lot of people liked me and I was 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:22.400 funny and cool and everybody laughed that they're not even 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:25.679 so funny jokes. And then to become unpopular and uncool. 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:28.199 To see what happened to relationships that I really believe 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:31.920 were real relationships. Who's calling you? Who isn't? And just 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:33.720 to see the world change in that way. Can you 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:34.560 expand on that. 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:38.200 Yeah, I mean, it's definitely I think the real Like 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:41.680 I guess what I've come to believe is that real 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:44.920 wisdom comes from humility, you know. And I've come to 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:48.440 really the people that I respect and look up to, 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:51.880 they know that what they're good at, you know, and 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:55.920 they don't hold themselves low. But there's also a humility 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:58.800 involved too, Like if you're sure you're right about everything 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:01.160 and smarter than everybody, you know, first of all. 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:03.000 You're gonna be wrong sometimes, so you are wrong. 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:05.440 And and what happened with me was it was a 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:08.040 really great lesson I did. I came in and I 0:10:08.160 --> 0:10:10.680 was young, and I got successful. You had that like 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:13.880 classic thing that you see, and then I had three 0:10:14.800 --> 0:10:18.000 four movies that just wiped out. And at the same time, 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:20.960 there was this whole explosion in the tabloid world and 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:23.880 I was all over that, and it felt to people 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:26.439 like I was like trying to put myself out there 0:10:26.480 --> 0:10:29.480 in ways, you know, which retrospect I kind of get 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:30.800 like you resent it. 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:33.080 After certain points we were like, I'm stop hearing about 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:34.040 this one for fuck you. 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:36.440 You know, I don't want to hear about your bullshit. 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:37.920 I don't want to see you in your nice car. 0:10:38.160 --> 0:10:40.720 Don't tell me how problem fuck you know. 0:10:41.040 --> 0:10:43.800 I work at Target and it's like is hard, you know, 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:47.920 and there's no getting around that, and there's this appetite 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:50.960 to like, tell us more seemore, and you can it's 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:52.560 like that social media and you can want to feed 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:55.040 that ye with and you don't realize at. 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:56.439 A certain point it's too much. 0:10:56.679 --> 0:10:59.960 And what happened to me was also frankly, the movie 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:04.160 just didn't work because I did movies for money a 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:07.680 few times, you know, and I had learned that lesson too, 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:11.960 and it was like, it was a really great instruction 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:14.160 for me, because Yeah, all the people that I thought, like, 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:16.640 all these people are my friends or all these people 0:11:16.679 --> 0:11:19.320 I'm so funny because every time I say some dumb shit, 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:21.320 like people are laughing, and I started saying the same 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:24.080 jokes and nobody were laughing and people weren't calling me back, 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:27.600 and I was like, Wow, none of these people liked. 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:29.080 Me, None of these people were my friend. 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:31.400 None of these people give if I can't do something 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:34.360 for people, they're ducking me. And you know, it's only 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:37.080 I was thirty two or something like that. I was like, 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:41.360 that's it for me, and I went back and had 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:43.600 to kind of start over, and it was humbling in 0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:46.400 a really healthy way in the sense that I was like, Okay, 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:48.360 I'm gonna try to be a director, and I'm gonna 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:51.600 try to because that's I think, you know, gonna rely 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:53.760 that's about more like about what kind of movie do 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:55.520 I make, not whether or not I happened to be 0:11:55.640 --> 0:11:58.600 cool me, you know, because that I'm obviously not gonna 0:11:58.640 --> 0:11:59.880 be cool all time to everybody. 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:02.959 And once I did that, it took a few years 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:06.760 to get back. And during that time, I stopped needing 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:08.880 that kind of attention or acrobation. 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:12.240 And I also learned that I Do'm not mad at anybody, 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:14.840 like just you're not all my friends. 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:19.079 You know, you'd many friends. You don't need that many friends. 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:19.920 Uh. 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:22.360 The's people who like it's fine. They're there because they think, oh, 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:24.680 maybe this dude can help me in And by the way, 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:26.760 so am I. I'm not really friends with you. I'm 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:28.079 just mad that all of a sudden you won't call 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:28.520 me back. 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:34.120 So you know, less is more everybody, But you just 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:35.080 really asked the question. 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:38.960 It's safe to say that directing really like rejuvenated your 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:39.400 second quarest. 0:12:39.400 --> 0:12:41.000 Absolutely, I think I would. 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:44.520 In fact, the first movie that I directed, part of 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:46.160 my pitch was like, don't worry, I'm. 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:46.640 Not gonna be in it. 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:47.520 You know what I mean. 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:48.640 Like that was where my. 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:51.640 Acting career was like maybe you can direct, but nobody 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:52.520 wants to see you in a. 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:56.880 Fucking and I had to like eat that shit. 0:12:56.800 --> 0:12:58.800 You know what I mean, and go oh wow, like 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:04.240 in realizing can happen that fast and once you're but 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:06.160 also like you kind of get over yourself, you get 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:07.400 over your ego, you. 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:08.839 Get over your what's my price? 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:11.440 I'm like, it's for free, and I'm whatever less scale 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:13.560 salary is, I'll give it back. And I just want 0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:15.360 a chance to work. I want to do this, and 0:13:15.400 --> 0:13:18.720 I appreciated that, like I actually like doing this. It's 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:21.480 a privilege. You're lucky to be able to do this job. 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:23.760 And I need to get out there and prove it. 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:26.680 I need to do something really good, you know, not okay, 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:29.439 not good enough, not like and I need to try 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:32.240 to do something great. And I don't know that I'm 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:34.560 any more talented than anybody else as a director, but 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:36.800 I just thought, well, one thing I control is I 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:39.560 will Nobody's gonna work me, and I will work as 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:40.640 hard as I need to. 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:42.920 And that's the first movie I did. You know. 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:46.960 It got didn't do very well at the box office, 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:49.960 but like the reviews were like, oh, well, you know, 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:52.280 everybody gets lucky sometimes, you know what I mean? Like 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:54.840 I got kind of grudging reviews, and I was able 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:57.560 to put myself in the second movie that I directed, The. 0:13:57.559 --> 0:14:01.120 Town, And really, if that hadn't worked like I would, 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:02.600 that would have been the end of my acting career 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:02.960 for sure. 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:05.320 It was It's old saying that since I ain't working 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:08.280 with them, I'll work. I kind of live on that one. 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:11.960 Since you are great at both, is the one you 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:13.439 like more? Acting or directing? 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:14.920 I do? 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:19.280 I have to say I like directing more because it 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:20.240 gives you. 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:22.520 More of a sense of you know. 0:14:22.520 --> 0:14:24.240 One of the frustrating things for me as an actor 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:29.120 some of these lessons early on was like you realize 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:31.920 I didn't have control over really what was gonna happen, 0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:34.360 but it was gonna be my face out there. I 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:36.720 have no problem if it's like you want to do 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:38.960 it and it's you take the credit or take the 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:40.920 hit for it, but when your face on the poster, 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:43.080 but you got to do it way, you know, And 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:45.560 maybe that's like playing team sports. You know, you got 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:47.160 this coach who wants to run a system, and then 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:49.440 if you don't get the points your contract is going 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:51.680 to take it. Yeah, it was similar in that way, 0:14:52.880 --> 0:14:55.760 but I like the broader sense of authorship from directing, 0:14:55.800 --> 0:15:00.560 and I Yeah, then I started to like acting a 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:03.240 lot more because I wasn't doing it. 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:05.720 I was doing it when something came along that I felt. 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:08.640 Like doing, and I wasn't worrying about playing likable characters 0:15:08.720 --> 0:15:11.040 or trying to build some strategy about like I want 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:13.560 to be in action movies and all this, just like 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:15.920 I'm just gonna take parts that I like and that 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:19.760 move me. And then it got interesting for me again 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:22.400 in a way that it hadn't been. So you know, 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:25.280 now it's like I really do. I do love doing it, 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:27.000 and I had a lot of fun, like some on 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:27.360 the rep. 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:28.320 You know, it's fun. 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:31.240 To be mad and play these like antagonistic you know, 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:32.000 like old friends. 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:35.480 But then when you're like, oh are you betraying Megaunuck? 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:36.560 Can I trust you? 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:39.240 Like that's an intense thing when you have something you 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:41.880 know in a long time and you feel like this 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:45.280 person fucked me over, like and that was that was 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:46.320 powerful and fun thing. 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:46.640 Yeah. 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:50.400 Interesting, Speaking of Matt duos, great duos don't normally last 0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:54.480 this long. Thirty plus years partnerships. You look at Tom 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:57.440 Brady and Belichick, Shaq and Kobe, Jordan Pippin, Mad and 0:15:57.520 --> 0:16:01.280 Stack were still moving though a movie jay Z and 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:04.120 Dame Dash what is you and Matt's secret? And then 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:05.560 we talked a little bit off camera about this, but 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:06.600 what is your guy? The secret? 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:07.760 Just with being able to. 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:13.840 That's very high praise, very like. 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:14.880 Stick sneaking on that list. I'll just take it, you know, 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:16.960 you know, But. 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:18.760 The truth is that, like a couple of things, I 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:21.120 think when we started out, and I think we just 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:24.240 got lucky, like we you know, we were always going 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:26.320 up for the same parts, right like, and so it 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:28.640 could have been that thing of like in competitive and 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:30.720 having a lot of issues that we always were honest 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:32.760 about it, like, look, I want to get the part. 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:34.800 Okay, we're both going up for it. I won't to 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:36.680 get it, but if I don't, I. 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:39.440 Hope you do, you know exactly, And we were straight 0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:42.120 about that and kind of and really did kind of 0:16:42.120 --> 0:16:44.120 have each other's back and feel like at least I 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:44.920 got somebody. 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:45.600 Who's in this with me. 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:48.600 Because it's an uphill climb and you're looking at all 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:50.440 these people out in front of you, and the idea 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:54.160 anyone ever giving you a break is so ridiculous and remote. 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:58.800 And then when we actually got successful kind of happened 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:01.800 to us more or less the same time. And having 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:05.119 somebody around that not only could like tell you the 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:05.720 truth and. 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:06.760 Be like what the fuck? You know, yeah, I'm like 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:07.919 an idiot, why are you doing this? 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:12.960 Is powerful and maybe even more powerful having somebody who 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:14.520 you can kind of turn. 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:16.639 To and close the door and just go like, are 0:17:16.680 --> 0:17:17.159 you scared? 0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:19.320 Because this is scary, this is crazy, you know, and 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:22.919 be honest with you know, like I think that a 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:25.480 lot of people just don't get that because this is 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:27.960 a rare thing to like have somebody that you grow 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:30.119 up with I go through that same thing together. 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:31.679 So I think that was helpful. 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:34.479 And then, you know, for a while, we like we 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:37.760 started we tried to like, let's define our identity separately, 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:39.600 and we don't want to be working together because we're 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:41.600 going to get typecast. And then a certain point, I 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:43.840 don't know, five or eight years so whatever years ago, 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:44.760 we're like fuck that. 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:46.840 Like, listen, here we are. 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:49.200 We're still in the ring, you know, and as long 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:51.760 as we're able to do this, let's let's actually spend 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:54.800 our time working together and what people we like, instead 0:17:54.840 --> 0:17:57.480 of trying to sweat the whole like optics and the 0:17:57.520 --> 0:17:59.320 strategy and this whole thing of like what are people 0:17:59.359 --> 0:18:00.600 going to think of me? And all that was like 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:04.480 fuck it, And that's been probably the most rewarding aspect, Michael. 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:04.639 I think. 0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:06.439 I mean, from the outside looking in, it looks like 0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:08.040 with five to eight years, looks like you guys are 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:09.679 doing it your way now instead of trying to fit 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:12.720 into a mold and what has been told supposed to be. 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:15.840 And we you know you're gonna hit and missed. 0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:19.280 But I feel like if you're comfortable, you know what 0:18:19.359 --> 0:18:21.040 I mean, and you feel and you're like, okay, yeah, 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:22.320 I take that shot again. 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:24.560 You know what I mean, You're in the right spot. 0:18:24.680 --> 0:18:27.320 You know, you can't sort of hold yourself I think, 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:29.840 to that perfection thing and you make yourself crazy. But 0:18:30.440 --> 0:18:33.399 the fact is, like I really I really enjoy my 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:36.879 life mostly because of like who I get to spend 0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:37.119 it with. 0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:37.720 Most of the time. 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:40.240 You know, you missed one hundred of the shots you 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:40.720 don't take. 0:18:41.280 --> 0:18:45.040 Speaking of shots, the great greatest shot maker of all time, 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:47.320 Michael Jordan, you got a relationship with the Goat. 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:48.760 Can you talk about that how that came about? 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:51.919 Man, I mean talking about one of the great and 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:54.880 you're a Boston guy too, I am a boss. Yeah, absolutely, 0:18:55.240 --> 0:18:57.400 But I mean even Larry Bird was like that dead 0:18:57.440 --> 0:19:01.520 with Michael Jordan out there, that was God went away 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:02.399 real quick. 0:19:02.280 --> 0:19:05.639 Even in Boston. Like Larry Bird's the greatest, maybe second, 0:19:07.359 --> 0:19:09.040 but Jordan's. 0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:12.040 You know, I knew him a little bit, just in 0:19:12.080 --> 0:19:14.200 the sense of you know, when you're you know, you 0:19:14.320 --> 0:19:16.359 run across somebody at events and of course you know 0:19:16.440 --> 0:19:20.119 it's like it's like me God, you know, trying to 0:19:20.200 --> 0:19:22.200 like suck up to the guy and everything, and then 0:19:22.640 --> 0:19:25.960 you know, just just in so much admiration of him. 0:19:26.000 --> 0:19:29.439 And when we got hold of this story, you know, 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:31.720 knew him well enough basically just calm up and go, hey, 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:34.359 look like I got a hold of this script. I 0:19:34.520 --> 0:19:37.040 like to make the movie, but I have too much 0:19:37.080 --> 0:19:39.280 respect for you and what you mean, Like, I'm not 0:19:39.320 --> 0:19:42.880 gonna do anything that you're not down with. So if 0:19:42.920 --> 0:19:44.320 you want to give me a couple of hours, sit 0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:46.399 down and tell me like what's real, what's not, and 0:19:46.400 --> 0:19:49.840 what you care about, you know, And he was like, 0:19:49.840 --> 0:19:51.840 all right, cool, come out to my golf course, so 0:19:52.760 --> 0:19:54.800 blew out there sick, you know what I mean. 0:19:55.080 --> 0:19:57.920 Damn, it's good to be Michael Jordan. It turns out, 0:19:59.040 --> 0:19:59.720 Oh it's great. 0:19:59.760 --> 0:20:01.840 Yeah, nobody's there of him and his boys. It's just 0:20:01.920 --> 0:20:06.520 like that thing, you know. And I went waited for my. 0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:07.720 Man to finish, you know what I mean. 0:20:07.760 --> 0:20:09.199 They're like, Michael, be like soon, and I was like, 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:13.840 I'm not going. And when he got done, he was like, 0:20:13.880 --> 0:20:15.880 so what is this you know? And I said, look, 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:19.080 it's the story of your Nike deal basically, and you 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:21.439 know what happened around then, and here's I had sent 0:20:21.520 --> 0:20:23.479 him a script and I kind of talked him through 0:20:23.520 --> 0:20:23.960 it a little bit. 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:27.520 And it's interesting, of all the people I talked to for. 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:31.120 That movie talking about humility, like, he was the only 0:20:31.160 --> 0:20:32.960 one who was like, look, I can talk about what 0:20:33.000 --> 0:20:35.200 I was I can't do Mike's voice is so deep, 0:20:35.240 --> 0:20:37.160 I can't do it. But it was like it's gives 0:20:37.200 --> 0:20:39.399 a little extra intimidation, you like, hey, look what's up. 0:20:39.640 --> 0:20:40.080 Okay? 0:20:41.400 --> 0:20:42.919 He was like, I can only tell you what I 0:20:42.960 --> 0:20:44.960 was there for and what I know to be true. 0:20:44.960 --> 0:20:46.840 I'm not going to talk about what happened when I 0:20:46.880 --> 0:20:49.520 wasn't in the room, which everybody else was like, this 0:20:49.560 --> 0:20:49.800 is what. 0:20:49.760 --> 0:20:50.560 Happened, this is what happened. 0:20:50.600 --> 0:20:51.919 He was only one that was like, I know what 0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:53.639 I know, and I don't know what I wasn't there for. 0:20:53.920 --> 0:20:57.840 Here's what matters to me. And he talked about his folks, 0:20:58.320 --> 0:21:02.640 and he talked about you know, Chris Tucker's character obviously, 0:21:03.200 --> 0:21:07.800 and he talked about like what was critical in terms 0:21:07.880 --> 0:21:10.879 of like, and I don't want to give away anything 0:21:11.040 --> 0:21:15.800 because it was the private conversation, right, but I was like, okay, cool, 0:21:15.840 --> 0:21:17.880 are you like so these this is the ship that 0:21:18.440 --> 0:21:20.520 I'm not you know, I'm gonna take that as gospel 0:21:20.760 --> 0:21:22.040 and then go do it. I was like, but Mike, 0:21:22.119 --> 0:21:23.560 I don't want to. I'm not gonna put you in 0:21:23.600 --> 0:21:27.760 the movie because you're such a like an icon. As 0:21:27.760 --> 0:21:29.919 soon as I show somebody and try to be like 0:21:29.920 --> 0:21:31.520 that's Michael Jordan, You're just gonna be like, no it 0:21:31.560 --> 0:21:34.560 isn't you know. It just can't show a sioutte You're like, no, 0:21:34.600 --> 0:21:37.280 it's not him. And so he was like, I don't 0:21:37.280 --> 0:21:38.480 know if you liked that or not, you know what 0:21:38.520 --> 0:21:41.760 I mean. But he was like, all right, okay, cool, Yeah, no, 0:21:42.040 --> 0:21:43.960 Biolta Davis gotta play my mom. 0:21:44.119 --> 0:21:46.240 I was like, oh, okay, cool, I guess we better 0:21:46.240 --> 0:21:47.080 write her a good part. 0:21:48.000 --> 0:21:49.520 What was the process of trying to get her, because 0:21:49.520 --> 0:21:50.560 I'm sure it wasn't very easy. 0:21:50.680 --> 0:21:50.840 No. 0:21:51.040 --> 0:21:53.520 I mean, if iol is somebody that I really look up, 0:21:53.560 --> 0:21:56.000 I think she's like the very best, you know, and 0:21:56.119 --> 0:21:59.280 that that absolute top of the best. 0:21:59.040 --> 0:22:02.280 Actors in the world. And she knew I. 0:22:02.160 --> 0:22:03.760 Felt that way because I had a little part with 0:22:03.800 --> 0:22:05.840 her in Suicide Squad and I was like, hey, you know, 0:22:05.920 --> 0:22:07.520 I think you're a genius and I'd love to do. 0:22:07.520 --> 0:22:09.720 Something with you. And she was kind of like, yeah, you. 0:22:09.680 --> 0:22:16.320 Know, and I'll come back to and and so you know, 0:22:16.359 --> 0:22:18.480 I was just like I knew that I could use 0:22:19.200 --> 0:22:20.560 the fact that Michael wanted her. 0:22:20.760 --> 0:22:21.639 It was going to be in a hell of a 0:22:21.640 --> 0:22:23.080 lot more than that I wanted her. 0:22:23.280 --> 0:22:25.520 And I was like, hey, ll look, we wrote this, 0:22:25.680 --> 0:22:28.480 you know, for you and everything, and uh, and Mike 0:22:28.560 --> 0:22:30.159 did say that the only way we can do it 0:22:30.200 --> 0:22:30.960 is if you play. 0:22:33.000 --> 0:22:35.639 And so she was. She came and did and did it. 0:22:35.680 --> 0:22:36.440 She was amazing. 0:22:36.640 --> 0:22:40.920 And her husband, Julius Uh was great to He. 0:22:40.960 --> 0:22:42.840 Played Mike's dad. They play husband and wife. 0:22:42.840 --> 0:22:45.119 And he was like because he because I asked Michael, like, 0:22:45.800 --> 0:22:48.360 what's the like, I'm trying to find an actor play 0:22:48.400 --> 0:22:50.600 your father, like, and I know, you know, his father 0:22:50.640 --> 0:22:52.639 passed away and a lot has been said about how 0:22:52.640 --> 0:22:55.119 close they weren't all that stuff, and I was like, 0:22:55.160 --> 0:22:55.480 how do. 0:22:55.480 --> 0:22:56.399 I who do I look for? 0:22:56.480 --> 0:22:59.280 And he was like, my dad had the best personality 0:22:59.320 --> 0:23:01.960 of anybody in the world. And like when he told 0:23:02.000 --> 0:23:04.399 me that, I remember being like, he moved me, you know, 0:23:04.800 --> 0:23:07.560 and so and then when she was I was like, 0:23:08.119 --> 0:23:10.240 this is just a dude who's so proud of his son. 0:23:10.680 --> 0:23:13.040 And that's what I loved about, like what he did 0:23:13.080 --> 0:23:15.760 with that because she was a little more cynical, she 0:23:15.880 --> 0:23:18.480 kind of knew and saw maybe kind of through. 0:23:18.240 --> 0:23:20.439 Some of the bullshit, and I love the idea. 0:23:20.480 --> 0:23:23.560 But he was just so fucking proud of his son 0:23:23.640 --> 0:23:25.439 and just love everybody dracking his son. 0:23:25.359 --> 0:23:28.320 And making videos and shit and just happy. And it 0:23:28.440 --> 0:23:30.440 was beautiful and cutting that against. 0:23:30.080 --> 0:23:33.800 Like the the clips of like, you know, his father's 0:23:33.840 --> 0:23:35.520 you know, being killed. 0:23:35.640 --> 0:23:38.840 Ultimately, I made it really really powerful, like. 0:23:38.760 --> 0:23:41.400 You watched this guy who's you're not gonna live through 0:23:41.400 --> 0:23:43.639 the story to see his Son become this you know 0:23:43.680 --> 0:23:47.040 who he became. And but but those two were really 0:23:47.119 --> 0:23:48.960 the anchor in the heart of the movie, and that 0:23:48.960 --> 0:23:52.080 that was definitely what Mike he He was not like 0:23:52.160 --> 0:23:55.320 sweating the corporate details of the fucking and like, you. 0:23:55.280 --> 0:23:57.280 Know, he didn't. He was like look and he said 0:23:57.280 --> 0:23:59.479 what he said. But he what mattered to him was 0:23:59.520 --> 0:23:59.840 like the. 0:24:00.080 --> 0:24:04.120 Certain key people you know, and and that we got 0:24:04.160 --> 0:24:06.480 you know, Marlon and Chris to play them was cool. 0:24:06.520 --> 0:24:09.080 And Chris, of course like knows. 0:24:08.880 --> 0:24:11.439 Everybody, you know what I mean, Chris guys who was like, 0:24:11.640 --> 0:24:14.159 you can be you know, you can't bring up a name. 0:24:15.160 --> 0:24:16.800 He's cool. Jesus. 0:24:18.720 --> 0:24:21.679 Now he's friends with the two major mics excuse me, 0:24:21.880 --> 0:24:27.000 Jordan and Magic and Michael Michael Jackson Jackson, Michael Jordan. 0:24:27.040 --> 0:24:28.760 And he's like, yeah, I'm at Ali, you know, like 0:24:28.800 --> 0:24:32.560 Mama Ali, Like who the fuck? Don't you know he's amazing. 0:24:32.680 --> 0:24:35.360 He's because you just like him and cool and oh yeah, 0:24:35.400 --> 0:24:35.800 I'm cool. 0:24:35.840 --> 0:24:40.560 Mandela, I was like, what, it's the craziest thing in 0:24:40.600 --> 0:24:41.000 the world. 0:24:43.080 --> 0:24:45.400 But he's Christal, brilliant movie and I love him. 0:24:45.800 --> 0:24:47.640 How was it playing Phil? 0:24:49.119 --> 0:24:52.000 You know, it was a little bit like did you 0:24:52.040 --> 0:24:53.880 talk to him. I didn't want to talk to him first. 0:24:53.880 --> 0:24:55.240 I didn't want to get him to do anything with 0:24:55.320 --> 0:24:57.640 Nike because you know, I was aware that like people 0:24:57.680 --> 0:24:59.440 are gonna be like, oh, this is like a Nike 0:24:59.560 --> 0:25:01.400 propagame or whatever, and. 0:25:01.720 --> 0:25:04.000 I didn't want to. We didn't get any shoes or 0:25:04.000 --> 0:25:04.760 gear from them. 0:25:04.800 --> 0:25:07.240 We didn't get shipped from you know, or we got 0:25:07.280 --> 0:25:09.440 like the some of the stuff off eBay that was 0:25:09.480 --> 0:25:11.439 like the old waffle the shoe and stuff. 0:25:11.840 --> 0:25:14.240 And so they hadn't seen the movie at all and 0:25:14.400 --> 0:25:15.439 really know about it and kind of. 0:25:15.440 --> 0:25:19.119 Heard about it after we were done, and then they 0:25:19.160 --> 0:25:20.040 asked to screen it. 0:25:20.680 --> 0:25:22.360 And that's when I was like, oh shit. 0:25:22.440 --> 0:25:25.080 I was having a lot of fun, you know, playing 0:25:25.160 --> 0:25:27.639 Phil and kind of fucking with him, and so we 0:25:27.680 --> 0:25:29.760 went up and they were like, yeah, come up and show. 0:25:29.640 --> 0:25:30.320 Fill the movie. 0:25:30.840 --> 0:25:32.840 It's like okay, And all of a sudden, I was like, 0:25:32.880 --> 0:25:35.520 oh man, did I go too far with fucking round? 0:25:35.920 --> 0:25:37.680 Like they can sue us and shit. 0:25:38.119 --> 0:25:40.679 And they asked us to come up there, and we 0:25:40.760 --> 0:25:45.639 showed the movie in Portland, but not at Nike. I 0:25:45.680 --> 0:25:48.200 think they like rented up this whole movie theater down 0:25:48.200 --> 0:25:51.040 the street and we showed it, and Phil showed up 0:25:51.080 --> 0:25:54.040 and his kids, his wife and then like the general 0:25:54.200 --> 0:25:58.760 counsel for Nike, and so I introduced it and I 0:25:58.760 --> 0:26:02.040 remember being like, look, this is about the spirit of 0:26:02.080 --> 0:26:03.120 the company. 0:26:03.280 --> 0:26:04.600 And Phil, remember. 0:26:04.280 --> 0:26:07.160 Everybody likes to fuck with the boss, so you gotta 0:26:07.240 --> 0:26:10.919 have a sense of humor about that. And to his credit, 0:26:10.960 --> 0:26:13.280 he really did, you know. He was like, yeah, you know, 0:26:13.920 --> 0:26:15.240 you could take exception with. 0:26:15.200 --> 0:26:16.960 This moment and that moment. Everybody has their thing. But 0:26:17.359 --> 0:26:18.600 it was actually really moving. 0:26:18.880 --> 0:26:21.280 When the movie was over, I walked in there and 0:26:21.320 --> 0:26:23.320 I saw like I was like, I shouldn't have done 0:26:23.320 --> 0:26:25.320 that thing where I stole the candy. 0:26:24.920 --> 0:26:25.960 At the end the movie. 0:26:26.000 --> 0:26:27.840 I was like, what am I fuck? An idiot? I 0:26:27.840 --> 0:26:30.040 don't even think about this. I walked out there and 0:26:30.080 --> 0:26:30.640 everyone was. 0:26:30.640 --> 0:26:36.720 Quiet and and nobody would say anything until Phil said something, 0:26:36.880 --> 0:26:38.359 and so it was kind of waiting. I said, so, 0:26:38.600 --> 0:26:41.520 all right, you know, what'd you think? And Phil was like, well, 0:26:41.560 --> 0:26:43.760 I have some notes. I was like, gosh shit, all right, 0:26:44.440 --> 0:26:46.840 all right, well it's locked, but you know we can 0:26:47.160 --> 0:26:49.119 if you have some caveats, I can talk about them 0:26:49.160 --> 0:26:50.040 in the press or whatever. 0:26:50.080 --> 0:26:53.320 And and he said, first thing he said to me. 0:26:53.359 --> 0:26:58.560 He was like, we were friends, and I thought for 0:26:58.600 --> 0:27:00.320 a minute it looked like the d was about to cry. 0:27:00.440 --> 0:27:03.200 He's like he because the truth is like that group 0:27:03.280 --> 0:27:05.200 kind of scattered after that, and. 0:27:05.080 --> 0:27:07.719 Because of the success of the Jordan thing, Son Hen 0:27:07.720 --> 0:27:11.440 went to Adidas and and and Bateman's character also left, 0:27:11.600 --> 0:27:16.639 and you know, success brings success, but also sometimes people 0:27:16.840 --> 0:27:19.159 arguing about whose credit and he gets credit everything, And 0:27:19.520 --> 0:27:21.280 we didn't include that any of this stuff at the 0:27:21.359 --> 0:27:24.080 end of the movie, but I got the sense, and 0:27:24.119 --> 0:27:26.160 he didn't say that that there was like, yeah, there 0:27:26.200 --> 0:27:28.639 have been acrimony, there had been competition, and when he 0:27:28.720 --> 0:27:30.920 saw it because what we did go to great lengths 0:27:30.960 --> 0:27:33.160 to copy exactly with like the office and the look 0:27:33.280 --> 0:27:36.080 and all that stuff, and he was like, you know, Phels, 0:27:36.240 --> 0:27:37.960 he's older now, and he was like and he seemed 0:27:37.960 --> 0:27:39.080 like he was almost about to cry. 0:27:39.080 --> 0:27:40.280 He was like, we were friends. 0:27:40.760 --> 0:27:43.800 We were just friends trying to do something like he 0:27:43.840 --> 0:27:47.440 got lost in the nostalgia of like ye, he took 0:27:47.520 --> 0:27:50.439 him there, took him there, and uh, you know, and 0:27:50.480 --> 0:27:52.400 then all everybody else was like, oh, yeah, great movie. 0:27:53.240 --> 0:27:54.639 So he had to break the ice. Yeah he did. 0:27:54.960 --> 0:27:57.280 Interesting, if you were doing a bio pick up Michael 0:27:57.359 --> 0:28:00.200 Jordan's you think anybody clo would you think we play? 0:28:00.440 --> 0:28:01.800 Is there anybody that you can come to mind? 0:28:02.200 --> 0:28:06.439 It's so difficult, man, because you know, part of it is, 0:28:08.040 --> 0:28:11.159 I mean there's great actors like look, you know, like 0:28:11.960 --> 0:28:14.000 I mean it's funny, but like I think Michael B. 0:28:14.080 --> 0:28:16.000 Jordan's one of the one of the great actors. I 0:28:16.040 --> 0:28:19.119 love him. I think he's just like this like of 0:28:19.160 --> 0:28:22.040 this new generation. Like I just think he's spectacular. I 0:28:22.040 --> 0:28:25.840 think he's amazing in centners. A guy is just unbelievable. 0:28:25.920 --> 0:28:28.720 You know, he's been a friend of mine for a while, 0:28:28.760 --> 0:28:31.880 and so you know, he's a he's a first name 0:28:31.920 --> 0:28:36.639 that comes to mind just because he's actually too yoked, right, 0:28:39.360 --> 0:28:43.240 he has that like magnetism and charisma. 0:28:42.520 --> 0:28:45.320 You know. And I didn't you know, I didn't know. 0:28:45.360 --> 0:28:47.440 I wasn't around Jordans, So I don't know how much 0:28:47.480 --> 0:28:50.120 of it was, how much of the intimidation level or 0:28:50.120 --> 0:28:52.920 the toughness or whatever, like, because when I was a 0:28:52.920 --> 0:28:55.200 fan watching them, so I just saw what the other 0:28:55.280 --> 0:28:57.400 fans saw. And back in those days, you know, there 0:28:57.480 --> 0:28:59.800 was more of a filter that was getting put on. 0:29:00.400 --> 0:29:01.960 You guys, know, a lot better. 0:29:01.800 --> 0:29:04.120 Than me, obviously, but that's the sense I get. So 0:29:04.800 --> 0:29:05.960 Jordan remains kind. 0:29:05.800 --> 0:29:12.320 Of a mysterious figure to me too. Probably he seems 0:29:12.320 --> 0:29:14.920 to not be interested chasing ship. 0:29:17.840 --> 0:29:20.400 If it was one sports movie you could make, what 0:29:20.440 --> 0:29:23.480 would it be? You know? 0:29:25.640 --> 0:29:27.600 That's that's a tough one. I mean, I feel like 0:29:28.320 --> 0:29:31.440 there's some I read a script. 0:29:31.120 --> 0:29:33.400 About the four Red Sox that was pretty good. 0:29:34.000 --> 0:29:35.920 I feel like that story has been told a bunch, 0:29:35.960 --> 0:29:38.080 but for me growing up in Boston, when we yeah, 0:29:38.640 --> 0:29:41.160 it gets lost in New York over and over again, 0:29:41.360 --> 0:29:43.600 you know, and three was that's. 0:29:43.400 --> 0:29:50.880 Right, Yankees, that's true and right now nobody could talk 0:29:50.920 --> 0:29:51.000 to you. 0:29:52.840 --> 0:29:55.320 That's that's probably the most like moving story to me, 0:29:55.400 --> 0:29:58.080 because you know, that was like still when it just 0:29:58.080 --> 0:29:59.960 felt like we could never ever win. 0:30:00.120 --> 0:30:02.440 This team was never gonna win anything. 0:30:02.800 --> 0:30:06.720 You know, it didn't matter like you know, seventy six 0:30:06.840 --> 0:30:09.520 it did, you know, eighty six they had lost and lost, 0:30:09.560 --> 0:30:12.840 and and then in three was such a such a 0:30:12.920 --> 0:30:15.880 humiliation and then to win that, you know, and how 0:30:15.920 --> 0:30:17.760 many years the curse. I mean, that's probably the greatest 0:30:18.000 --> 0:30:22.760 sports story. But you know, I don't know, sometimes you 0:30:22.800 --> 0:30:24.600 feel like you touch with something like that. 0:30:24.640 --> 0:30:25.200 And fuck with it. 0:30:25.280 --> 0:30:28.400 Like, boy, there's there's a you know, you have to 0:30:28.480 --> 0:30:31.920 like capture it, you know, and that's daunting goodwill hunting. 0:30:32.600 --> 0:30:34.959 You became you and Matt became the youngest to get 0:30:35.000 --> 0:30:37.239 an oscar to age twenty five. You guys wrote that 0:30:37.240 --> 0:30:39.760 two kids from Boston take us back to that time 0:30:39.800 --> 0:30:40.920 and what that meant. 0:30:41.560 --> 0:30:42.480 You know, It's like. 0:30:44.240 --> 0:30:48.400 I hadn't, you know, like no idea that it was 0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:50.360 so close to a time where we were just trying 0:30:50.360 --> 0:30:53.040 to get a movie made to be in it so 0:30:53.120 --> 0:30:55.840 that we could skip like just you know, getting. 0:30:55.600 --> 0:30:57.040 Blocked by the casting director. 0:30:58.000 --> 0:30:59.840 And we thought, okay, if we can get a real 0:31:00.320 --> 0:31:03.360 like a VHS list back, you know, a VHS tape 0:31:03.640 --> 0:31:06.160 that has some performances on it that we're proud of, 0:31:06.200 --> 0:31:11.200 like maybe we can jumpstart our acting careers. And you know, 0:31:11.480 --> 0:31:14.960 the year before those Oscars, I was like in you know, 0:31:15.120 --> 0:31:18.080 in Boston, in an apartment, you know, in a three bedroom, 0:31:18.240 --> 0:31:23.080 watching the Oscars on TV, and you know, like I 0:31:23.160 --> 0:31:24.240 always had. 0:31:24.120 --> 0:31:27.040 And to to go and be there. The next year 0:31:27.240 --> 0:31:30.400 was really like you know, it's this sounds funny. 0:31:30.400 --> 0:31:31.960 This sounds like it's like you know, you're getting like 0:31:32.360 --> 0:31:34.400 you're driving on the road and all of a sudden 0:31:34.400 --> 0:31:36.640 the car hit some ice or whatever start spinning. 0:31:36.680 --> 0:31:38.160 You know. It was sort of like that, like you're 0:31:38.240 --> 0:31:39.240 moving in slow motion and. 0:31:39.280 --> 0:31:41.360 Think, oh my god, am I gonna get in a 0:31:41.440 --> 0:31:44.040 You know, it was like that. It didn't really feel real, 0:31:45.280 --> 0:31:48.240 and it was so unexpected and and it was so 0:31:48.440 --> 0:31:49.760 kind of overnight in a way. 0:31:49.840 --> 0:31:52.560 Those Oscars were because of because of Titanic. 0:31:52.640 --> 0:31:55.320 It was like this huge hit movie and that was 0:31:55.320 --> 0:31:58.920 the Titanic year, and they won all these Oscars. You know, 0:31:58.960 --> 0:32:01.400 we were drafted that and so a lot of people 0:32:01.480 --> 0:32:06.320 watched that show too. We're more famous for having been 0:32:06.400 --> 0:32:08.200 the kids no one heard of than won the Oscar. 0:32:08.320 --> 0:32:12.320 Then people had seen the movie, and you know, it 0:32:12.400 --> 0:32:15.560 was definitely one of those kind of launching you into 0:32:15.640 --> 0:32:18.640 a whole other space that you weren't familiar with. 0:32:18.760 --> 0:32:22.160 It took a long time to get acclimated to that, 0:32:23.120 --> 0:32:25.720 but you know, obviously it was. It was great. It 0:32:25.800 --> 0:32:28.720 was we were just too young to totally appreciate. 0:32:29.040 --> 0:32:32.560 You know, is this urban legend to see what studios 0:32:32.560 --> 0:32:34.440 actually read the script? Did you put a sex scene 0:32:34.480 --> 0:32:36.880 between Will and Chucky and only one actually caught it? 0:32:37.240 --> 0:32:39.880 Yeah, we did it actually a scene where he where 0:32:40.000 --> 0:32:44.520 the say this now where the therapist gave Will a 0:32:44.520 --> 0:32:48.200 blowjob in the put it like one sad like and 0:32:48.200 --> 0:32:50.600 then he starts blowing him and we thought like listen 0:32:50.600 --> 0:32:53.880 and yeah, only one one or two actually get back 0:32:53.920 --> 0:32:56.360 the note. It was like, and maybe maybe cut that 0:32:56.360 --> 0:32:59.600 part because we were frustrated after a while of like, 0:32:59.840 --> 0:33:02.000 you know, you you do stuff and then you get 0:33:02.000 --> 0:33:04.160 these notes where it was like, do you give you 0:33:04.200 --> 0:33:05.720 notes to do something that was kind of already in 0:33:05.760 --> 0:33:07.040 the script? 0:33:07.640 --> 0:33:09.160 Yeah, it was like, yeah it was. 0:33:09.640 --> 0:33:11.719 I realized later on that that's actually kind of a 0:33:11.840 --> 0:33:14.520 common thing. It's sort of like you you kind of 0:33:14.560 --> 0:33:16.440 want more of something after you've read it, and so 0:33:16.520 --> 0:33:18.600 you'll ask, but like in a note like I've done 0:33:18.600 --> 0:33:20.560 it myself and realized, oh, I kind of have to 0:33:20.600 --> 0:33:22.479 check myself now, like no, I see that was actually 0:33:22.480 --> 0:33:24.400 in there and I'm just repeating it back to you. 0:33:24.960 --> 0:33:27.560 At the time, we didn't, you know, we didn't get that. Yeah, 0:33:27.640 --> 0:33:30.040 I'm also really young and stupid. I thought were fucking 0:33:30.040 --> 0:33:31.400 punks and like did shit like that? 0:33:31.600 --> 0:33:36.000 Rest in peace. Rob Reiner and Robin Williams as instrumental Yeah. 0:33:36.080 --> 0:33:38.520 Rob, Rob Reiner was here a couple of months ago. 0:33:38.600 --> 0:33:40.520 Right in this room, this is our writer's room, and 0:33:40.560 --> 0:33:45.120 we have folks come by who have like one of 0:33:45.160 --> 0:33:46.840 the things we do with the with the writers is 0:33:46.840 --> 0:33:48.840 like we have like you know, asked like some of 0:33:48.880 --> 0:33:51.720 these really experienced, kind of legendary folks come in and 0:33:51.760 --> 0:33:53.920 kind of talk about their life and career and stuff. 0:33:55.120 --> 0:33:57.360 And Rob did that, and you know, he was an 0:33:57.360 --> 0:34:02.200 incredibly graceful, sweet guy, and he was His company was 0:34:02.240 --> 0:34:05.320 the ones that initially not only bought the script for 0:34:05.360 --> 0:34:07.880 Good One Hunting, but that also we had a whole 0:34:07.920 --> 0:34:10.759 like kind of Beverly Hills cop like Banana and the tailpipe, 0:34:11.120 --> 0:34:14.080 the secret agents that were like following Will around in 0:34:14.120 --> 0:34:14.920 the first draft. 0:34:15.280 --> 0:34:17.280 And he was the voice there. 0:34:17.320 --> 0:34:20.160 Along with the women their named does Glotzer mothers who said, like, 0:34:20.200 --> 0:34:21.080 just cut that ship out. 0:34:21.320 --> 0:34:23.280 You don't need all that stuff in there. You're trying 0:34:23.280 --> 0:34:23.920 to make it. 0:34:23.800 --> 0:34:27.600 Like a fun commercial movie, you know, but you don't. 0:34:27.640 --> 0:34:29.919 You don't need to try to be a bever Hills cop, 0:34:30.000 --> 0:34:31.360 you know, be your your movie. 0:34:31.800 --> 0:34:34.560 And we we were what's this guy talking about? 0:34:35.000 --> 0:34:36.520 And then we did it, and so we were very 0:34:36.560 --> 0:34:38.640 grateful to him, and yeah, it's a sweetheart Robin. 0:34:38.680 --> 0:34:42.960 Of course, it was like one of the greats. Well, 0:34:42.960 --> 0:34:45.520 it's just sad. 0:34:47.040 --> 0:34:51.799 How have you refrained from pimp slapping paparazzi members? 0:34:53.000 --> 0:34:55.120 Lucky? You know, like you, I have lost my temper 0:34:55.160 --> 0:34:59.440 a few times. Yeah, it's hard. 0:34:59.520 --> 0:35:02.640 I mean you it's it's and again I know everyone's like, oh, 0:35:02.680 --> 0:35:04.160 fuck you, you can play. 0:35:04.320 --> 0:35:05.760 It's not a complaint. I understand. 0:35:05.800 --> 0:35:07.920 Yes, I'm aware that there's a lot of that. This 0:35:08.000 --> 0:35:10.600 comes with it, and YadA YadA. I'm past that. But 0:35:10.640 --> 0:35:12.920 the truth is, like with me, the times that have 0:35:13.000 --> 0:35:15.279 been very difficult. I got I was like, okay, you 0:35:15.320 --> 0:35:16.759 want to take a picture of me, Like one thing, 0:35:16.760 --> 0:35:19.279 if I'm coming out of a a vent or a 0:35:19.280 --> 0:35:21.840 club or what I find. But like when I've got 0:35:21.920 --> 0:35:23.959 like my kids, especially when they were younger, I'm trying 0:35:23.960 --> 0:35:25.480 to go get you know, and there's four or five 0:35:25.480 --> 0:35:27.719 guys to try and take your picture, and people are like, 0:35:27.719 --> 0:35:29.320 why do you always look so mad? I'm like, because 0:35:29.320 --> 0:35:31.600 every time somebody takes a picture of me, it's around 0:35:31.640 --> 0:35:33.360 me and I got my kids with me, and I'm like, 0:35:33.400 --> 0:35:35.040 hey man, you want to fuck off. 0:35:35.080 --> 0:35:37.000 I'm with my kids right now. I don't need you 0:35:37.080 --> 0:35:39.239 yelling at me and like, have a little decency. 0:35:39.400 --> 0:35:41.400 You can fuck with me and come find me and 0:35:41.440 --> 0:35:43.160 say shit like driving down the street. 0:35:43.200 --> 0:35:45.959 Whatever. Fine, if that's how you want to make a living. 0:35:46.160 --> 0:35:47.920 But when I'm like, these kids were you know, it's 0:35:48.000 --> 0:35:51.040 about ten and and shit, come on, you know, And 0:35:51.080 --> 0:35:53.480 I always felt like that was a little bit beyond 0:35:53.600 --> 0:35:57.279 the fucking pale. And you know they don't ever show 0:35:57.320 --> 0:36:00.000 that like side. So yeah, it takes. 0:36:00.080 --> 0:36:02.839 It does take discipline, and I haven't I haven't had enough. 0:36:02.880 --> 0:36:04.640 I mean I've gotten mad, you know. 0:36:04.719 --> 0:36:07.120 And so people are like, oh, you always look angry 0:36:07.160 --> 0:36:09.920 or unhappy once you smile, I'm like, wow, I'm mostly 0:36:09.960 --> 0:36:12.480 pretty happy guy. The only time someone's taking your picture, 0:36:13.160 --> 0:36:15.640 when someone's fucking with your children, you're likely to have 0:36:15.680 --> 0:36:16.800 an unfriendly face on. 0:36:17.040 --> 0:36:21.720 You know, we're good at flipping it on those people 0:36:21.719 --> 0:36:24.719 and roasting their real entire lives. So if you ever 0:36:24.800 --> 0:36:26.799 need any help or I want to learn how to 0:36:26.840 --> 0:36:27.880 do this, we're great. 0:36:28.000 --> 0:36:29.840 Are you good? 0:36:30.040 --> 0:36:31.960 You have so many people that coming o me to 0:36:32.040 --> 0:36:34.960 just dispute hate, and we and we don't. We don't 0:36:35.000 --> 0:36:37.040 condone it. We just tell them about their real life 0:36:37.719 --> 0:36:40.920 and it hurts to the soul to the core when 0:36:40.920 --> 0:36:42.440 they have to get off the phone and go look 0:36:42.440 --> 0:36:45.200 at the mirror and realize, damn yeah, bro, that's in 0:36:45.320 --> 0:36:45.680 real life. 0:36:45.719 --> 0:36:47.840 And most of the time though, I just wanted your attention. 0:36:48.160 --> 0:36:50.359 That's what you ain't got to say nothing. 0:36:50.400 --> 0:36:53.360 The worst for me is they're like, come fuck with 0:36:53.400 --> 0:36:55.120 you and your kids and then go there and thanks 0:36:55.120 --> 0:36:56.960 thanks man, thank you. 0:36:57.560 --> 0:36:58.640 That's the thing where I want. 0:36:58.520 --> 0:37:01.600 To what do you say to the people that say 0:37:01.640 --> 0:37:05.040 Hollywood is dead it's too expensive to make movies out here. 0:37:05.520 --> 0:37:08.360 I mean, sadly, there's some truth to that. 0:37:08.480 --> 0:37:13.200 Like going back to what kind of talked about initially 0:37:13.239 --> 0:37:16.840 with like trying to find ways where you know, because 0:37:16.880 --> 0:37:19.200 like where I started in this business was like a 0:37:19.320 --> 0:37:22.720 free before Good Hunting was you know, in a bunch 0:37:22.760 --> 0:37:25.040 of very low budget like two and five thousand dollars 0:37:25.080 --> 0:37:27.680 movie or you know, a million dollar movie, which to 0:37:27.760 --> 0:37:29.520 me that seemed like a lot of money. You got 0:37:29.560 --> 0:37:34.120 to go get a million dollars from somebody, And I 0:37:34.200 --> 0:37:38.319 thought that, like, you know, it shouldn't be that the 0:37:38.360 --> 0:37:42.200 barrier to entry is so high that you know, I 0:37:42.239 --> 0:37:45.080 think there should be, and there are, but it needs 0:37:45.120 --> 0:37:47.759 to improve, like kind of tears where you can come 0:37:47.800 --> 0:37:50.640 in and do something that's you know, not trying. 0:37:50.320 --> 0:37:52.279 To be a very big commercial movie. 0:37:52.320 --> 0:37:53.719 You're trying to take some risks, trying to do some 0:37:53.760 --> 0:37:58.640 interesting stuff that still can use professional people. I would 0:37:58.680 --> 0:38:01.400 love for the for for that to be possible, but 0:38:01.520 --> 0:38:03.239 you know, and part of it's you got people that 0:38:03.320 --> 0:38:05.680 want to work and you know, and that are are 0:38:05.680 --> 0:38:07.960 really willing, especially like here in town. But then you 0:38:08.000 --> 0:38:10.239 know it can cost more in California. The big thing 0:38:10.320 --> 0:38:12.879 is that other states or even other countries give these 0:38:12.920 --> 0:38:15.759 tax breaks, so then it's like you can't compete with them, 0:38:15.840 --> 0:38:17.960 you know, so all of a sudden and yeah, and 0:38:17.960 --> 0:38:21.160 then they'll be okay, New Mexico, mass Veus, Louisiana, Georgia. 0:38:22.320 --> 0:38:24.400 But then they also disappear as kind of whack a 0:38:24.440 --> 0:38:27.120 mole and everybody's or London, like the UK gives up. 0:38:27.280 --> 0:38:29.840 That's why all the superhero movies are all made in London. 0:38:31.040 --> 0:38:33.200 And you know that's I'm sure it's a lot of 0:38:33.280 --> 0:38:36.360 money in the rebates that they're given away, and I 0:38:36.400 --> 0:38:39.200 can't speak to whether or not it's economically viable. I 0:38:39.200 --> 0:38:42.279 assume they're doing it for a reason, but it's so 0:38:42.440 --> 0:38:43.880 much money that. 0:38:43.760 --> 0:38:45.280 You just can't compete with it. 0:38:45.280 --> 0:38:47.719 It's one thing like to say, you know, if you're 0:38:47.719 --> 0:38:51.160 talking about five percent of the budget, it's thirty forty 0:38:51.200 --> 0:38:52.759 percent of the budget. 0:38:52.360 --> 0:38:55.479 You know, you have no real no choice. 0:38:55.880 --> 0:38:59.440 And as a consequence, if something's more expensive, people get 0:38:59.520 --> 0:39:02.080 risk averse. And when the risk averse that they'll tend 0:39:02.080 --> 0:39:04.120 to just do the same shit like and now, so 0:39:04.239 --> 0:39:06.880 you get the safe kind of homogenized stuff. And so 0:39:07.000 --> 0:39:09.399 it's a vicious psycho mess. 0:39:09.800 --> 0:39:12.600 So it's just an educated guess from your experience. If 0:39:12.600 --> 0:39:15.359 you're shooting a movie the minimum not I ain't saying 0:39:15.360 --> 0:39:17.239 like the highest growth, but to do a movie that 0:39:17.320 --> 0:39:19.760 you definitely want to hit the theater that you definitely 0:39:19.760 --> 0:39:22.319 want to be seen, or will be the budget for 0:39:22.360 --> 0:39:23.360 that like just a number. 0:39:24.120 --> 0:39:26.840 Well, if you're gonna make a movie, forget even about 0:39:26.920 --> 0:39:29.800 like some you know, you forget about you know, Dwayne 0:39:29.840 --> 0:39:33.120 Johnson or some huge star like salary. Just to shoot 0:39:33.120 --> 0:39:37.680 a movie that's you know, you know where there's a 0:39:37.719 --> 0:39:40.680 certain amount of like you know, you got your forty 0:39:40.800 --> 0:39:44.120 fifty days of shooting and certain production and it really varies. 0:39:44.160 --> 0:39:47.239 But like people will tell you now, like it's very 0:39:47.320 --> 0:39:50.120 very difficult to make a movie for less than twenty 0:39:50.160 --> 0:39:53.279 five million dollars, right, yeah, and twenty five and it 0:39:53.360 --> 0:39:56.080 can go up very quickly as soon as you're you know, 0:39:56.080 --> 0:39:58.040 you've got a big stunt unit or big action stuff 0:39:58.080 --> 0:40:01.200 or visual effects. And here's the thing with theatrical, which 0:40:01.200 --> 0:40:04.600 is why it's it's very hard. Like you spend about 0:40:04.640 --> 0:40:06.239 the same amount that you spend on the movie to 0:40:06.280 --> 0:40:08.120 advertise the movie. So if you spend twenty five million 0:40:08.120 --> 0:40:10.240 to make the movie, you twenty five million to advertise 0:40:10.280 --> 0:40:10.640 the movie. 0:40:10.680 --> 0:40:12.640 So now you got fifty million dollars. 0:40:12.320 --> 0:40:15.200 Into the movie, and from the movie theaters you get 0:40:15.239 --> 0:40:18.320 back roughly fifty percent. So if a movie makes a 0:40:18.440 --> 0:40:21.840 hundred million dollars, you know, you get back fifty million dollars. 0:40:22.239 --> 0:40:24.920 So if you get back fifty million dollars, that's you. 0:40:24.920 --> 0:40:27.400 You twenty five million dollar movie got a gross one 0:40:27.440 --> 0:40:30.840 hundred million, just in simple math. And there is a tale, 0:40:30.840 --> 0:40:34.040 and there are secondary revenue streams. But that's one of 0:40:34.040 --> 0:40:37.320 the things that has made it really hard to get theatrical. 0:40:37.520 --> 0:40:40.080 That and the fact that people now go, ah, this 0:40:40.200 --> 0:40:41.960 movie looks good, but I'll see it when it comes 0:40:41.960 --> 0:40:44.960 down streaming, you know, And so those two factors are 0:40:45.000 --> 0:40:47.920 really what's caused, you know why you see mostly the 0:40:47.960 --> 0:40:50.680 movies that come out in theaters or you know, Avengers 0:40:50.719 --> 0:40:53.279 and or you know Avatar or whatever it is, you know, 0:40:53.320 --> 0:40:56.240 and a movie, even a movie with that Ryan Coopler, 0:40:56.520 --> 0:40:59.040 who's a huge commercial director and Michael Jordan is a 0:40:59.120 --> 0:41:02.640 huge movie star, that's considered kind of a risk because 0:41:02.840 --> 0:41:05.160 it's not like a sequel, right, you know, and even 0:41:05.200 --> 0:41:07.160 that comes out and blows up and now you know, 0:41:07.480 --> 0:41:09.759 out of them make Centers two, three, four, five, and six. 0:41:10.040 --> 0:41:12.759 But to do something original that's really you know, when 0:41:12.760 --> 0:41:15.239 those guys had to go out and really kind of 0:41:15.760 --> 0:41:18.960 use all their credibility and cachet to convince people to 0:41:19.280 --> 0:41:19.799 do that movie. 0:41:19.920 --> 0:41:22.319 Well, similar to some of the like you did on 0:41:22.440 --> 0:41:25.160 Center see kind of like you're like an artist equity 0:41:25.239 --> 0:41:27.560 type of thing. With how he's structured to feel. 0:41:27.440 --> 0:41:29.680 And how Ryan's are really you know, it seems like 0:41:29.719 --> 0:41:32.440 a very very smart guy and he's been he he 0:41:32.600 --> 0:41:34.400 did a really smart thing with that deal, which is 0:41:34.400 --> 0:41:38.160 that he kind of related to this idea of kind 0:41:38.200 --> 0:41:40.479 of ownership like some of the Heir and the Jordan 0:41:40.560 --> 0:41:43.640 dew earlier, like you're gonna get the movie and you're 0:41:43.640 --> 0:41:46.319 gonna release the movie, but like you know, they're gonna 0:41:46.320 --> 0:41:48.720 be participants in it, and they got what's called a reversion, 0:41:48.800 --> 0:41:50.839 so that Ryan and I assume you know, the other 0:41:50.920 --> 0:41:53.800 principal creators the movie reverts back. 0:41:53.640 --> 0:41:54.960 To his ownership. 0:41:55.120 --> 0:41:57.359 Because there's a lot of value in a movie, the 0:41:57.360 --> 0:42:00.319 movies that are really successful, Uh, they have a lot 0:42:00.320 --> 0:42:02.640 of value in what's called like the tails. Like that's 0:42:02.680 --> 0:42:04.759 why you know people will still they'll still license the 0:42:04.800 --> 0:42:08.040 movie for ten twenty million dollars to Netflix or Prime 0:42:08.200 --> 0:42:10.719 or Max. You know that's been out a long time ago, 0:42:10.719 --> 0:42:12.440 because people will still watch it if it's like a big, 0:42:12.480 --> 0:42:14.799 big hit. So now Ryan will be able to not 0:42:15.000 --> 0:42:16.480 just you know, get a piece of it now, but 0:42:16.520 --> 0:42:19.160 in ten years when they're going to license Sinners again, 0:42:19.280 --> 0:42:21.960 that's I'll go back to him. And he bet on himself, 0:42:22.080 --> 0:42:25.120 right and really now cruised the value of that. Yeah, 0:42:25.239 --> 0:42:28.160 very very sharp, very innovative. It was very controversial. So 0:42:28.160 --> 0:42:30.239 a lot of people were on the studio side were 0:42:30.280 --> 0:42:32.719 mad at War Brothers because it was like, oh, you're 0:42:32.880 --> 0:42:36.319 you're giving away this value. But that's an example of 0:42:36.480 --> 0:42:39.560 like using that leverage. It's like Okay, you Feilure. This 0:42:39.560 --> 0:42:41.799 guy is so good and he's got this cast and 0:42:41.840 --> 0:42:43.000 this script so good. 0:42:43.360 --> 0:42:46.120 He's like, this is what I want change change the business. 0:42:46.160 --> 0:42:49.080 Essentially a lot of people in Hollywood and really just 0:42:49.160 --> 0:42:52.040 overall or a little bit afraid of AI. 0:42:52.160 --> 0:42:53.680 What are your thought what's your thoughts with AI? 0:42:54.440 --> 0:42:56.600 I think there's like two ways to think about it. 0:42:56.680 --> 0:42:59.759 Like I can understand why people are afraid just in 0:43:00.160 --> 0:43:01.880 role of AI, right, Like there's this whole thing of 0:43:02.280 --> 0:43:05.160 behalf of It's like it's gonna be super intelligent and 0:43:05.200 --> 0:43:07.160 it's gonna be skying at in a terminator and take 0:43:07.160 --> 0:43:11.880 over the world like like, which is a little bit like, well, 0:43:11.960 --> 0:43:14.440 let's then maybe just not put AI in charge of 0:43:14.520 --> 0:43:16.040 shit to start with, you know what I mean? 0:43:16.080 --> 0:43:18.800 I would say that's probably a wise choice. 0:43:18.960 --> 0:43:21.440 I think in terms of like what it can do 0:43:21.480 --> 0:43:25.760 as a tool. I actually think that what I would 0:43:25.800 --> 0:43:27.360 like to see happen is that it be kind of 0:43:27.920 --> 0:43:33.000 owned and integrated into what filmmakers are doing. It's never 0:43:33.040 --> 0:43:34.839 gonna be, and I don't think anyone ever wants to 0:43:34.880 --> 0:43:37.239 see like this whole till, you know or with think 0:43:37.280 --> 0:43:39.359 that that's bullshit. Nobody wants to see or cares about 0:43:39.360 --> 0:43:42.600 something that you know is false. But and like not 0:43:42.719 --> 0:43:45.120 Rio and not a person like I just don't. 0:43:44.880 --> 0:43:45.279 Believe in that. 0:43:45.280 --> 0:43:46.920 I don't believe that's gonna work. I don't believe that's 0:43:46.960 --> 0:43:49.000 a real thing to worry about. I think there are 0:43:49.000 --> 0:43:53.120 some things about the technology that would make visual effects, uh, 0:43:54.200 --> 0:43:56.799 you know, less expensive, and like those things I think 0:43:56.840 --> 0:44:00.800 that we should adopt and not sort of let fear 0:44:01.000 --> 0:44:03.680 mean that the only people that are using that technology 0:44:04.280 --> 0:44:07.720 are people who are like, you know, basically like ripping 0:44:07.719 --> 0:44:10.560 something off or outside Hollywood or you know, because that 0:44:10.600 --> 0:44:11.440 doesn't make sense to me. 0:44:11.480 --> 0:44:13.080 You don't have a blanket fear of it. You feel 0:44:13.080 --> 0:44:14.759 like there's parts that could be very beneficial. 0:44:15.400 --> 0:44:17.560 There's definitely parts that can be very beneficial. Yeah, And 0:44:17.719 --> 0:44:19.319 the idea of looking at it in terms of just 0:44:19.360 --> 0:44:21.480 like all good, all bad. That's like when you think 0:44:21.480 --> 0:44:24.600 about electricity, you know what I mean, Well, when it's in. 0:44:24.560 --> 0:44:25.719 A nuclear momb I think it's bad. 0:44:25.760 --> 0:44:27.080 When it's on a train, and I think, you know, 0:44:27.600 --> 0:44:30.520 it's really that broad a category. It's gonna be about 0:44:30.520 --> 0:44:32.160 like how is it used? And there needs to be 0:44:32.280 --> 0:44:34.040 rules and there needs to be and they're frantically. There 0:44:34.040 --> 0:44:37.239 already are a lot of rules that about like using 0:44:37.280 --> 0:44:40.759 image and likeness, and I think that it's not a 0:44:40.800 --> 0:44:43.840 thing to be so terrified of, but it is a 0:44:43.840 --> 0:44:46.239 thing to kind of step up and define. And I 0:44:46.239 --> 0:44:48.399 think you can present an opportunity, like you have a choice, 0:44:48.440 --> 0:44:50.680 you make your movie. You want to let people you know, 0:44:50.719 --> 0:44:54.279 fool around with your movie and make well, ai you. 0:44:54.200 --> 0:44:57.040 Know, shorts of it. Like if that's what. 0:44:56.920 --> 0:44:58.799 You're good with, you go ahead and do that, and 0:44:58.960 --> 0:45:00.839 you see the benefit of that, and that could be 0:45:01.040 --> 0:45:03.080 one of the ways that you, you know, you profit 0:45:03.120 --> 0:45:04.719 from that. Talking about sinners, if those guys want to 0:45:04.800 --> 0:45:07.840 let people make their little sinners I fight the vampires 0:45:07.840 --> 0:45:11.399 too videos, great like then, but that money should be. 0:45:11.360 --> 0:45:14.000 Going to Ryan and Michael and Warner. 0:45:13.719 --> 0:45:16.320 Brothers and the people that invested in creating that. That's 0:45:16.520 --> 0:45:19.520 that as I think the bigger issue is connecting the 0:45:19.560 --> 0:45:22.759 compensation appropriately to the people that are actually creating the value. 0:45:22.800 --> 0:45:24.399 Because the reason why people want to do that ship 0:45:24.719 --> 0:45:28.279 is because they like the original you know, ip that 0:45:28.360 --> 0:45:31.000 it's associated with that somebody went out and made and 0:45:31.040 --> 0:45:33.520 built and you know, to me that that makes sense. 0:45:34.560 --> 0:45:38.200 But I don't think it's ever even gonna be practical 0:45:38.280 --> 0:45:41.680 or anybody really gives a shit of Just an all Ai, 0:45:41.960 --> 0:45:44.280 you know, sort of animated movie. 0:45:45.920 --> 0:45:48.360 One of the best high highest movies ever. That's the 0:45:48.360 --> 0:45:51.759 shooting scenes in that movie. I mean, just unbelievable. Man 0:45:52.520 --> 0:45:55.440 high five all the way to have a shooting another one. 0:45:55.520 --> 0:45:58.719 Keep me in mind. I would love to play one 0:45:58.760 --> 0:45:59.240 of those. 0:45:59.400 --> 0:46:01.919 Like I give you a recognized guy in the mask, 0:46:02.000 --> 0:46:03.919 and should they be like, well, the one guy that's six, 0:46:05.640 --> 0:46:07.040 he's gonna blend in. 0:46:07.440 --> 0:46:09.600 No, I've got a nun mask on, or no, you. 0:46:09.560 --> 0:46:13.680 Have to keep me in the car. So the window. 0:46:14.880 --> 0:46:17.800 Joe Mizzoula, coach of the Celtics, says why he watches 0:46:17.840 --> 0:46:20.680 the town four times a week and he goes to 0:46:20.920 --> 0:46:21.720 every time he goes. 0:46:21.600 --> 0:46:22.319 To Fenway Park. 0:46:22.400 --> 0:46:26.000 He's looking for exte I love that. 0:46:26.200 --> 0:46:29.120 I don't know, this guy's like, that's like your fantasy, 0:46:29.160 --> 0:46:30.840 you know what I mean, your hometown tea all of 0:46:30.880 --> 0:46:32.640 a sudden ting about like you know, I like, I 0:46:32.640 --> 0:46:34.440 thought somebody was bullshiting me when they first sent me 0:46:34.480 --> 0:46:34.719 that thing. 0:46:34.760 --> 0:46:37.520 I was like, what uh, But I mean, what can 0:46:37.560 --> 0:46:37.839 I say? 0:46:38.520 --> 0:46:39.200 Making that movie? 0:46:39.719 --> 0:46:40.200 It was fun. 0:46:40.239 --> 0:46:41.400 I mean, that was a movie where I was like, 0:46:42.160 --> 0:46:44.160 that's where I was like, Okay, I need to be 0:46:44.840 --> 0:46:46.560 make or break for me. So that was one where 0:46:46.560 --> 0:46:48.799 I was like, you know, I put everything I had 0:46:48.800 --> 0:46:51.200 into that and I got I mean, on weekends, I'll 0:46:51.280 --> 0:46:52.640 get like he's migraine. 0:46:52.719 --> 0:46:56.200 I Mean, it was very intense, but you know, there's 0:46:56.239 --> 0:46:56.680 a lot of. 0:46:56.600 --> 0:47:00.280 Freedom to just going like, Okay, I know that everything 0:47:00.320 --> 0:47:02.160 I have is riding on this, so I'm gonna do 0:47:02.200 --> 0:47:04.440 what I want to do and what I think is good. 0:47:05.000 --> 0:47:09.000 And I wasn't too worried about any other outside pressures 0:47:10.080 --> 0:47:12.719 and I loved it. I had great support and and 0:47:12.760 --> 0:47:15.360 like there was great performers in the movie, and the 0:47:15.440 --> 0:47:17.160 crew is fabulous. And that's where I started being like, 0:47:17.480 --> 0:47:19.920 damn it, this is a really a united process and effort. 0:47:19.960 --> 0:47:22.240 It can be it can really get better. 0:47:22.880 --> 0:47:25.640 And that's where I really started to realize as a 0:47:25.680 --> 0:47:28.680 director how much you benefit from you know, get people 0:47:28.719 --> 0:47:30.759 that are great at what they do and put them 0:47:30.760 --> 0:47:32.719 around you, and that is good. 0:47:32.800 --> 0:47:35.440 Don't need to be the smartest and the guy that 0:47:35.640 --> 0:47:37.879 you know be able to go yeah, that's a great idea. 0:47:37.960 --> 0:47:40.319 Let's do that and show people that that's how you're 0:47:40.360 --> 0:47:42.120 going to do it, and if you come up and contribute, 0:47:42.600 --> 0:47:44.239 that's going to be integrated into it. And then people 0:47:44.239 --> 0:47:45.520 are like, oh shit, maybe I can have that, you 0:47:45.560 --> 0:47:48.480 know what I mean. It's very kind of locked into 0:47:48.520 --> 0:47:51.680 that that process there. But I loved making the movie 0:47:51.800 --> 0:47:52.120 was off. 0:47:52.040 --> 0:47:52.680 And I appreciate it. 0:47:52.719 --> 0:48:01.680 Yeah, look like I could definitely can you can find 0:48:01.719 --> 0:48:02.920 something about problems. 0:48:04.239 --> 0:48:05.960 Kind of give it away because you got that smile. 0:48:06.040 --> 0:48:08.440 You're too warm, you know what I mean, Like. 0:48:13.000 --> 0:48:14.560 Before we get the quick hit. It's just a couple 0:48:14.560 --> 0:48:14.960 of questions. 0:48:15.040 --> 0:48:18.359 Obviously, January sixteenth, the Rip is out on Netflix. May 0:48:18.760 --> 0:48:21.600 make sure you check that out. What makes the Rip 0:48:21.760 --> 0:48:23.480 different from your average action thriller? 0:48:23.640 --> 0:48:25.440 What I like about the Rip is a that's just 0:48:25.520 --> 0:48:28.319 the cast is so strong, you know what I mean, 0:48:28.480 --> 0:48:30.640 Like Tana and Steven youwn. 0:48:31.239 --> 0:48:35.640 We just got like these really really strong performers, and 0:48:35.680 --> 0:48:38.000 it's got a very tight it really knows what is 0:48:38.080 --> 0:48:40.719 kind of like an old school you know, you got 0:48:40.719 --> 0:48:42.799 these cops. They show up, they're trying to you know, 0:48:42.800 --> 0:48:44.399 they think there's a little bit of money in the house, 0:48:44.680 --> 0:48:45.360 and there's. 0:48:45.280 --> 0:48:46.760 Way more than they thought. 0:48:47.160 --> 0:48:50.480 And it's kind of got that very simple proposition that 0:48:50.560 --> 0:48:53.040 let everybody kind of like approach this task and do 0:48:53.080 --> 0:48:53.640 it in a smart way. 0:48:53.680 --> 0:48:55.879 It's just like what would you do and who can 0:48:55.920 --> 0:48:56.360 you trust? 0:48:57.160 --> 0:48:59.359 And that's really what it what it delivers on and 0:49:00.040 --> 0:49:02.359 show the director have a very clean idea of that 0:49:02.440 --> 0:49:03.040 and you let. 0:49:02.880 --> 0:49:03.879 The actors do their thing. 0:49:03.960 --> 0:49:06.759 There wasn't like rules about you had to be one 0:49:06.800 --> 0:49:09.160 way or another or oh this character can't do that. 0:49:09.280 --> 0:49:12.239 So you have this sense of anything can happen and 0:49:12.239 --> 0:49:14.080 you don't know who to trust, and it makes you 0:49:14.120 --> 0:49:15.000 want to keep watching. 0:49:15.080 --> 0:49:17.399 And I'm really proud of the movie. 0:49:17.680 --> 0:49:20.840 Secret to a great action scene, what's the secret? 0:49:20.880 --> 0:49:22.200 You've had a lot of those. 0:49:23.120 --> 0:49:26.399 Make it real like, it has to feel realistic once 0:49:26.440 --> 0:49:29.160 it starts feeling like I really saw that on the Boorne. 0:49:29.520 --> 0:49:30.680 It was the first time when he was. 0:49:30.640 --> 0:49:33.160 Like he's taking a pen and stabbing guy in the 0:49:33.200 --> 0:49:35.080 neck or something. All of a sudden, it was like, Ooh, 0:49:35.160 --> 0:49:37.480 that feels like what you would really do if somebody 0:49:38.000 --> 0:49:40.880 instead of like I'm gonna slide down the banister and 0:49:40.840 --> 0:49:44.040 shoot all of a sudden, that's a fantasy, instead of like, 0:49:44.280 --> 0:49:47.280 you'll make it real like ground it with my advice 0:49:47.400 --> 0:49:48.000 quick hitters. 0:49:48.000 --> 0:49:50.080 First thing to come into mind. Let us know, if your. 0:49:49.920 --> 0:49:52.840 Hollywood career was a basketball career, what year would you 0:49:52.840 --> 0:49:55.560 say is your MVP season? And when years were you 0:49:55.640 --> 0:49:56.520 fighting for minutes? 0:49:57.520 --> 0:50:05.400 Fighting for minutes from oh two to oh seven MVP 0:50:05.640 --> 0:50:10.319 like ninety eight big rookie year, follow up. 0:50:10.280 --> 0:50:15.680 Year then scuffled as they say, and then uh yeah, 0:50:15.719 --> 0:50:17.759 this is where you get This is where this is 0:50:17.800 --> 0:50:20.520 a more forgiving business because you get to keep rolling 0:50:20.600 --> 0:50:23.120 as you get older. And for really me, I feel 0:50:23.120 --> 0:50:28.040 like I've actually feel like I'm my best personally artistically, 0:50:28.160 --> 0:50:30.960 Like how I feel like now this last ten years, 0:50:31.120 --> 0:50:31.920 I'm really happy. 0:50:31.920 --> 0:50:38.400 You know, most irresponsible purchase from a big check earlier 0:50:38.440 --> 0:50:42.400 on in your career bentally. 0:50:43.080 --> 0:50:43.640 This one. 0:50:43.800 --> 0:50:45.200 This dude's read up on me. 0:50:47.239 --> 0:50:50.560 Couple Yeah, early on, you know, not really realizing that, 0:50:50.680 --> 0:50:53.880 like you're not as rich as the paycheck, you know 0:50:53.920 --> 0:50:54.080 what I. 0:50:54.120 --> 0:50:57.319 Mean, half my money where taxes what? 0:50:58.840 --> 0:50:58.920 So? 0:50:59.080 --> 0:51:02.760 Yeah, I definitely the mornages and the spine spurs. 0:51:02.440 --> 0:51:05.279 Is costing back there, boy, you had a couple of. 0:51:05.200 --> 0:51:08.160 Them, biggest body transformation you ever had to go through 0:51:08.160 --> 0:51:08.640 for a role. 0:51:09.640 --> 0:51:11.920 Couple one one for the town because the guy was 0:51:11.920 --> 0:51:14.560 supposed to have been like a pro athlete, and uh, 0:51:14.719 --> 0:51:17.000 I probably overdid it for a pro hockey player because 0:51:17.000 --> 0:51:18.800 then I had to meet some of these pro hockey players. 0:51:18.800 --> 0:51:20.040 I'm like, you don't even look that rep. 0:51:20.440 --> 0:51:23.200 But also they had I couldn't get the hockey body 0:51:23.200 --> 0:51:25.319 because they have big legs and the big ass because 0:51:25.320 --> 0:51:29.399 they you know, that shit was never gonna happen. That's 0:51:29.480 --> 0:51:32.279 my real deficit. I hate squads on ship. I always did, 0:51:32.280 --> 0:51:36.040 like armed but the town. And then for Batman versus. 0:51:35.840 --> 0:51:36.719 Super I got it. 0:51:36.760 --> 0:51:39.839 I you know, I felt, okay, I gotta be BigMan. 0:51:40.000 --> 0:51:40.520 That was good. 0:51:41.160 --> 0:51:43.240 M J. Kobe Broun wrankled. 0:51:44.719 --> 0:51:49.560 M J Kobe Lebron, m J Bron Kobe. 0:51:50.200 --> 0:51:52.879 Five dinner guests that are alive. You plus five at 0:51:52.880 --> 0:51:53.879 a dinner table. 0:51:54.040 --> 0:51:58.600 Me plus five at the greatest dinner guests. 0:51:59.719 --> 0:52:04.560 My gosh, okay, whew. 0:52:04.600 --> 0:52:09.720 I wasn't ready for this one, okay, Martin Luther, King, Buddha, 0:52:10.480 --> 0:52:14.320 Jimmy Hendrix by Marley and and. 0:52:18.239 --> 0:52:19.840 Cindy Crawford nineteen eighty six. 0:52:19.760 --> 0:52:21.759 I got it. That's gonna that's gonna be a good time. 0:52:22.120 --> 0:52:23.160 That's gonna be a good time. 0:52:23.680 --> 0:52:25.799 I remember nineteen eighty six, I had a poster Cindy 0:52:25.840 --> 0:52:27.200 Crawford on my wall, and I was like. 0:52:27.160 --> 0:52:30.560 This, well, that was the next question with your childhood crush. 0:52:29.520 --> 0:52:31.959 Yeah, dingo, definitely Cindy cro. 0:52:33.440 --> 0:52:40.040 Hollywood equivalent of a rookie mistake that I made, taking, 0:52:40.760 --> 0:52:43.400 you know, for like the first time somebody offered me 0:52:43.440 --> 0:52:45.759 a bunch of money for a movie, I really got 0:52:45.760 --> 0:52:46.160 into it. 0:52:46.200 --> 0:52:48.879 You know, my mother had made whatever thirty thousand dollars 0:52:48.880 --> 0:52:51.880 a year as a public school teacher, and my dad, 0:52:52.000 --> 0:52:55.800 you know, sometimes had a job, and so all of 0:52:55.800 --> 0:52:57.839 a sudden, you know, people are gonna give you three 0:52:57.960 --> 0:52:59.439 thousand dollars, six thousands. 0:52:59.120 --> 0:53:02.839 A million dollars offered six million dollars for Reindeer games. 0:53:02.880 --> 0:53:05.600 I was like, I don't need to read this fucking script. Truly. 0:53:05.640 --> 0:53:06.960 That's the way I thought, was like it would be 0:53:06.960 --> 0:53:10.520 irresponsible and crazy, and like, who the fuck would I. 0:53:10.520 --> 0:53:12.239 Be to turn something down like that? 0:53:12.520 --> 0:53:14.000 And by the way, that they had a movie, you 0:53:14.000 --> 0:53:16.560 had a very good director in Charlie's darons In and everything. 0:53:16.560 --> 0:53:21.560 But the point being, I really didn't understand the cliche 0:53:21.640 --> 0:53:24.440 of like you have to you have to do good 0:53:24.480 --> 0:53:27.520 work and let the believe that the money will follow 0:53:27.520 --> 0:53:29.560 that as soon as you start getting you know, there's 0:53:29.600 --> 0:53:31.640 a reason that you pay any more than somebody else. 0:53:31.680 --> 0:53:34.560 It's because, like, you know, hey, come play with fourteen 0:53:34.600 --> 0:53:37.640 full scrubs, you know over here, and you know you're 0:53:37.640 --> 0:53:39.520 not gonna win anything over there. And that's kind of 0:53:39.560 --> 0:53:43.520 like it's even more extreme because you're like it or not. 0:53:44.120 --> 0:53:46.640 People will associate you with the quality of the movies 0:53:46.719 --> 0:53:47.120 that you do. 0:53:47.200 --> 0:53:49.000 If you can see one person on our show, who 0:53:49.000 --> 0:53:51.239 would it be? But you have to help us get 0:53:51.280 --> 0:53:57.000 your answer on the show. Tanna, Yeah, that's she's real. 0:53:57.040 --> 0:53:58.440 She's fucking spectactus. 0:53:58.480 --> 0:54:02.040 Yeah, she doesn't know how to bullshit, you know what 0:54:02.080 --> 0:54:06.359 I mean, tell you the truth. Talking to her is like, yeah, 0:54:06.360 --> 0:54:08.000 it was a lot of fun. She she was just 0:54:08.280 --> 0:54:11.120 she has not political and she's like Dan Taylor's one 0:54:11.120 --> 0:54:14.360 of those people that like leaves every room where everybody 0:54:14.400 --> 0:54:16.279 in the room is much more impressed with her than 0:54:16.280 --> 0:54:16.560 she is. 0:54:18.560 --> 0:54:20.239 I love that you go to the same brunch spot 0:54:20.239 --> 0:54:21.520 in Atlanta, So she's super cool. 0:54:21.840 --> 0:54:24.200 Ben, Thank you for your time. Make sure you check 0:54:24.200 --> 0:54:27.400 out The Rip January sixteenth on Netflix. 0:54:28.360 --> 0:54:34.200 Thank you. I appreciate it, all right, appreciate 0:54:40.640 --> 0:54:44.920 Thought