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Speaker 1: Welcome back all the smoke twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 2: We get to start with a banger man New Year.

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Speaker 3: Shout out Netflix Devils for this partnership and obviously giving

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Speaker 3: us the opportunity to sit down with our next guest,

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Speaker 3: someone I'm a huge fan of, been a fan for

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Speaker 3: a long time yep, and has something called How's a

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Speaker 3: company called Artist Equity which we're going to get into,

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Speaker 3: which I think is absolutely amazing. But without further ado,

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Speaker 3: welcome to the show. Ben a Flack.

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Speaker 2: Legend, legend app You've been good to be here. Thank

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Speaker 2: you very much to be here.

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Speaker 3: Man a new movie release coming soon the Rip January sixteenth,

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Speaker 3: got a chance to watch it last night. This is

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Speaker 3: the first partnership between Netflix and Artists Equity of production company.

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Speaker 3: You and Matt Launchton twenty twenty two. Your company is

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Speaker 3: pretty revolutionary when it comes to the streaming age, but

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Speaker 3: also the structure in which people who work for your rewarded.

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Speaker 3: Can you break that down?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Sure, this is the first time.

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Speaker 4: Look like, you know, we had these strikes a couple

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Speaker 4: of years ago and this business we were talking just

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Speaker 4: before we started, you know, like things are changing a lot, right,

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Speaker 4: and so there's a lot of uncertainty and a lot

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Speaker 4: of fear. And one of the things is like, hey,

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Speaker 4: you know, costs got to come down and blah blah blah,

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Speaker 4: and and yet you know, you have this whole streaming

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Speaker 4: universe that's obviously really expanding, has a lot of value.

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Speaker 4: In the old days, you understood what the value was

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Speaker 4: of stuff you did because you know, you see the

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Speaker 4: box office and and that kind of thing, and there

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Speaker 4: was a value associated with it. And so during the strikes,

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Speaker 4: one of the things that we were trying to work

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Speaker 4: with the guilds and trying to volunteer was like to

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Speaker 4: create a like a streaming residual structure because in the

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Speaker 4: old days, like if you're on a TV show on

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Speaker 4: network or in a movie, you know, you knew how

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Speaker 4: successful it was as an actor, you get paid a

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Speaker 4: residual right according to how how successful it was. And

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Speaker 4: when this model came along, it really changed things. And

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Speaker 4: so what we're trying to do with this is implement

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Speaker 4: the first performance based compensation structure where you know, we've

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Speaker 4: worked with Netflix and very grateful and appreciate it. They've

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Speaker 4: been really open engaging in this, and I think they

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Speaker 4: wanted to work so that they can kind of like

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Speaker 4: implement this sense of fairness where like, so if you're

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Speaker 4: an actor in this, this movie or where you worked on,

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Speaker 4: I've got twelve hundred people in the crew, all of

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Speaker 4: them are part of this bonus structure, and we kind

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Speaker 4: of set up these kind of these levels where like

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Speaker 4: if in the ninety days, the same number of people

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Speaker 4: watch it as watched you know, and they give us

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Speaker 4: movies that performed at a certain level in the past,

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Speaker 4: X movie, Y movie Z, Like their their biggest movie

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Speaker 2: Pop Demon Hunters. So if it does that, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's a lottery hit. But there's additional compensation along the way.

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Speaker 4: And the way that the reason why we wanted to

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Speaker 4: do this is both because we're aware of like the

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Speaker 4: business is shifting. We want to protect and solidify this.

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Speaker 4: This is like a really strong and important I think

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Speaker 4: business for this community. And also, you know, I really

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Speaker 4: believe that you know, when you're working on a movie,

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Speaker 4: like I said, you got twelve hundred people on the crew,

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Speaker 4: You've got all your cast, you've got you know, your

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Speaker 4: producers and writers and everybody, and if you align them

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Speaker 4: where everybody's goal is to do something that people like

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Speaker 4: instead of you know, and also you know how much

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Speaker 4: over time am I going to get and you know

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Speaker 4: what's you know looking at the clock. My belief is

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Speaker 4: that you'll motivate people around creating the best product. Like

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Speaker 4: that's the sort of team analogy.

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Speaker 1: And also it makes everyone feel like they really have

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Speaker 4: Right Yeah, And it recognizes the fact that I really

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Speaker 4: believe and this is something that Match hears too. And

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Speaker 4: with Air we try to do the same thing that like, look,

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Speaker 4: everybody working on this. It really is a community effort.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: It sounds sort of like bullshit or like, you know,

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Speaker 4: people say shit like that, I think sometimes, but it's

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Speaker 4: I really believe this. Like if people understand, oh, hey,

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Speaker 4: and get this because we want to make it good.

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Speaker 4: Because at the end of the day, you're gonna be

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Speaker 4: proud if people see you and you're the whether you're

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Speaker 2: That moved me or that touched me. That's meaningful.

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Speaker 4: And I'm trying to focus people around that goal. It

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Speaker 4: also makes it easier when you're trying to do it.

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Speaker 4: You're not feeling like you have people working at odds

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Speaker 4: give a shit, you know, if you're gonna get your

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Speaker 4: I gotta go a dentist.

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Speaker 3: The full well you mentioned air and that structure paid

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Speaker 3: dividends for that crew, right, paid its been he did

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Speaker 3: really really well.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, bonus people very well. And uh, you know, we

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Speaker 4: this is the first time that we've but that was

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Speaker 4: we did. What I'm trying to do is create a mechanism,

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Speaker 4: like a model, so that the next one come along.

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Speaker 2: Go okay, we'll do this too.

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Speaker 4: Where it's already pre legislating, just had to go through

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Speaker 4: everybody's like a function of your salary, how much extra

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Speaker 4: you're going to get at level one, two, three, four,

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Speaker 4: of you know, and also historically there's been like the

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Speaker 4: actors that get compensated and the crew has been kind

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Speaker 4: of treated differently, like oh, it doesn't matter after the fact.

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Speaker 4: You guys just get what you get and women. But

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Speaker 4: that's I'm trying to, you know, kind of unite that

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Speaker 2: We'll see what happens. People gotta people gotta watch. It's

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Speaker 5: Regardless what you do.

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Speaker 6: When you treat people, when you appreciate people, they work

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Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. I think people love the

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Speaker 5: fact that you're doing that.

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Speaker 4: That is absolutely that's the most important lesson. I realize

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Speaker 4: that like you show people that you value what they're

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Speaker 2: Is meaningful to you.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't mean that you know everything's great, or sometimes

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Speaker 4: it means going like this isn't good enough, right, we

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Speaker 2: But when it is right and when.

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Speaker 4: It does make a difference, and you let people know,

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Speaker 4: like people will die for you, like people will go

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Speaker 4: the whole way for you, and that it's like selfishly

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Speaker 4: for me as director as an actor, I'm like this

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Speaker 3: Works as someone who broke in during a box office

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Speaker 3: era movie theater era transitioning into mainly streaming. Now, what

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Speaker 3: are your thoughts on just the two and the difference.

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Speaker 4: Obviously, you know, I feel like sometimes I feel like

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Speaker 4: tendency to be like, you know, to want to freeze

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Speaker 4: how come everybody and I, you know, is all this

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Speaker 2: And you had a couple and then you went to

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Speaker 4: on that, there's only so many people and when you

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Speaker 2: You know, there's just more competition.

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Speaker 4: I mean, YouTube by itself, like people don't realize just

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Speaker 4: got to take accountability, right, Like I like to go

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Speaker 4: to sit here and be like, well, why isn't it

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Speaker 4: you know, because maybe it's because you know, I'm fifty

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Speaker 2: Like pause and like the bits and to resume the

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Speaker 4: So I can't be hypocritical. But there's a lot of

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Speaker 4: I think that will continue. I also, it's not like

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Speaker 4: And that kind of sucked. Now you've a couple hundred hours,

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Speaker 2: And you know, just look better.

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Speaker 1: Shout out Netflix. We did exactly what you said.

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Speaker 3: We started the movie, the kids started fucking acting up,

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Speaker 1: You can't do it at the theaters.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's unless you your stuff be seen.

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Speaker 3: You know, why aren't you on social media? I mean

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Speaker 3: I see your energy, your passion. I think it would

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Speaker 4: You know, Like I give you a lot of answers.

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Speaker 4: I just know I get in trouble, you know what

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Speaker 4: I mean?

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Speaker 2: And I.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I mean I got in enough trouble in

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Speaker 4: my life to know, and I do. I like to

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Speaker 2: Have opinions and then.

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Speaker 4: I think, like, you know, I learned early on as

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Speaker 4: I've been around and been through a couple of cycles

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Speaker 4: and that there is a level that's kind of appropriate,

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Speaker 4: But honestly that's kind of bullshit too. The truth is

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Speaker 4: get something up there, and you're putting this whole other

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Speaker 5: Of the good job. Bro. It took.

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Speaker 6: It takes a couple of years off your life. You

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Speaker 2: And once I did that, it took a few years

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Speaker 4: And I also learned that I Do'm not mad at anybody,

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I think I would.

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Speaker 6: It was It's old saying that since I ain't working

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Speaker 2: You know, it's fun.

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Speaker 4: To be mad and play these like antagonistic you know,

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Speaker 2: But then when you're like, oh are you betraying Megaunuck?

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Speaker 4: Like that's an intense thing when you have something you

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Speaker 4: The truth is that, like a couple of things, I

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Speaker 4: Hope you do, you know exactly, And we were straight

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Speaker 2: Who's in this with me.

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Speaker 4: Because it's an uphill climb and you're looking at all

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Speaker 4: And then when we actually got successful kind of happened

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Speaker 4: Because this is scary, this is crazy, you know, and

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Speaker 4: And then, you know, for a while, we like we

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Speaker 3: into a mold and what has been told supposed to be.

444
00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,840
Speaker 2: And we you know you're gonna hit and missed.

445
00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:19,280
Speaker 4: But I feel like if you're comfortable, you know what

446
00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:21,040
Speaker 4: I mean, and you feel and you're like, okay, yeah,

447
00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:22,320
Speaker 4: I take that shot again.

448
00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:24,560
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, You're in the right spot.

449
00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,320
Speaker 4: You know, you can't sort of hold yourself I think,

450
00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:29,840
Speaker 4: to that perfection thing and you make yourself crazy. But

451
00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:33,399
Speaker 4: the fact is, like I really I really enjoy my

452
00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,879
Speaker 4: life mostly because of like who I get to spend

453
00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:37,119
Speaker 4: it with.

454
00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:37,720
Speaker 2: Most of the time.

455
00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,240
Speaker 5: You know, you missed one hundred of the shots you

456
00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:40,720
Speaker 5: don't take.

457
00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:45,040
Speaker 6: Speaking of shots, the great greatest shot maker of all time,

458
00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:47,320
Speaker 6: Michael Jordan, you got a relationship with the Goat.

459
00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:48,760
Speaker 5: Can you talk about that how that came about?

460
00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:51,919
Speaker 7: Man, I mean talking about one of the great and

461
00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:54,880
Speaker 7: you're a Boston guy too, I am a boss. Yeah, absolutely,

462
00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,400
Speaker 7: But I mean even Larry Bird was like that dead

463
00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:01,520
Speaker 7: with Michael Jordan out there, that was God went away

464
00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:02,399
Speaker 7: real quick.

465
00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:05,639
Speaker 2: Even in Boston. Like Larry Bird's the greatest, maybe second,

466
00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:09,040
Speaker 2: but Jordan's.

467
00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:12,040
Speaker 4: You know, I knew him a little bit, just in

468
00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:14,200
Speaker 4: the sense of you know, when you're you know, you

469
00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:16,359
Speaker 4: run across somebody at events and of course you know

470
00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:20,119
Speaker 4: it's like it's like me God, you know, trying to

471
00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,200
Speaker 4: like suck up to the guy and everything, and then

472
00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,960
Speaker 4: you know, just just in so much admiration of him.

473
00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,439
Speaker 4: And when we got hold of this story, you know,

474
00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:31,720
Speaker 4: knew him well enough basically just calm up and go, hey,

475
00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,359
Speaker 4: look like I got a hold of this script. I

476
00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,040
Speaker 4: like to make the movie, but I have too much

477
00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:39,280
Speaker 4: respect for you and what you mean, Like, I'm not

478
00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:42,880
Speaker 4: gonna do anything that you're not down with. So if

479
00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:44,320
Speaker 4: you want to give me a couple of hours, sit

480
00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:46,399
Speaker 4: down and tell me like what's real, what's not, and

481
00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,840
Speaker 4: what you care about, you know, And he was like,

482
00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:51,840
Speaker 4: all right, cool, come out to my golf course, so

483
00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:54,800
Speaker 4: blew out there sick, you know what I mean.

484
00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,920
Speaker 2: Damn, it's good to be Michael Jordan. It turns out,

485
00:19:59,040 --> 00:19:59,720
Speaker 2: Oh it's great.

486
00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:01,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, nobody's there of him and his boys. It's just

487
00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:06,520
Speaker 4: like that thing, you know. And I went waited for my.

488
00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:07,720
Speaker 2: Man to finish, you know what I mean.

489
00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:09,199
Speaker 4: They're like, Michael, be like soon, and I was like,

490
00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:13,840
Speaker 4: I'm not going. And when he got done, he was like,

491
00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:15,880
Speaker 4: so what is this you know? And I said, look,

492
00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,080
Speaker 4: it's the story of your Nike deal basically, and you

493
00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:21,439
Speaker 4: know what happened around then, and here's I had sent

494
00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:23,479
Speaker 4: him a script and I kind of talked him through

495
00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:23,960
Speaker 4: it a little bit.

496
00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:27,520
Speaker 2: And it's interesting, of all the people I talked to for.

497
00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:31,120
Speaker 4: That movie talking about humility, like, he was the only

498
00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:32,960
Speaker 4: one who was like, look, I can talk about what

499
00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,200
Speaker 4: I was I can't do Mike's voice is so deep,

500
00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:37,160
Speaker 4: I can't do it. But it was like it's gives

501
00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,399
Speaker 4: a little extra intimidation, you like, hey, look what's up.

502
00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:40,080
Speaker 2: Okay?

503
00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:42,919
Speaker 4: He was like, I can only tell you what I

504
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:44,960
Speaker 4: was there for and what I know to be true.

505
00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:46,840
Speaker 4: I'm not going to talk about what happened when I

506
00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,520
Speaker 4: wasn't in the room, which everybody else was like, this

507
00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:49,800
Speaker 4: is what.

508
00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:50,560
Speaker 2: Happened, this is what happened.

509
00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:51,919
Speaker 4: He was only one that was like, I know what

510
00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:53,639
Speaker 4: I know, and I don't know what I wasn't there for.

511
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,840
Speaker 4: Here's what matters to me. And he talked about his folks,

512
00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:02,640
Speaker 4: and he talked about you know, Chris Tucker's character obviously,

513
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:07,800
Speaker 4: and he talked about like what was critical in terms

514
00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,879
Speaker 4: of like, and I don't want to give away anything

515
00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:15,800
Speaker 4: because it was the private conversation, right, but I was like, okay, cool,

516
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:17,880
Speaker 4: are you like so these this is the ship that

517
00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,520
Speaker 4: I'm not you know, I'm gonna take that as gospel

518
00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:22,040
Speaker 4: and then go do it. I was like, but Mike,

519
00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:23,560
Speaker 4: I don't want to. I'm not gonna put you in

520
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:27,760
Speaker 4: the movie because you're such a like an icon. As

521
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:29,919
Speaker 4: soon as I show somebody and try to be like

522
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:31,520
Speaker 4: that's Michael Jordan, You're just gonna be like, no it

523
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,560
Speaker 4: isn't you know. It just can't show a sioutte You're like, no,

524
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,280
Speaker 4: it's not him. And so he was like, I don't

525
00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:38,480
Speaker 4: know if you liked that or not, you know what

526
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,760
Speaker 4: I mean. But he was like, all right, okay, cool, Yeah, no,

527
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:43,960
Speaker 4: Biolta Davis gotta play my mom.

528
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,240
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, okay, cool, I guess we better

529
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:47,080
Speaker 2: write her a good part.

530
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:49,520
Speaker 1: What was the process of trying to get her, because

531
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:50,560
Speaker 1: I'm sure it wasn't very easy.

532
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:50,840
Speaker 2: No.

533
00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,520
Speaker 4: I mean, if iol is somebody that I really look up,

534
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 4: I think she's like the very best, you know, and

535
00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:59,280
Speaker 4: that that absolute top of the best.

536
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:02,280
Speaker 2: Actors in the world. And she knew I.

537
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 4: Felt that way because I had a little part with

538
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 4: her in Suicide Squad and I was like, hey, you know,

539
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:07,520
Speaker 4: I think you're a genius and I'd love to do.

540
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:09,720
Speaker 2: Something with you. And she was kind of like, yeah, you.

541
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 4: Know, and I'll come back to and and so you know,

542
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 4: I was just like I knew that I could use

543
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 4: the fact that Michael wanted her.

544
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:21,639
Speaker 2: It was going to be in a hell of a

545
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,080
Speaker 2: lot more than that I wanted her.

546
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 4: And I was like, hey, ll look, we wrote this,

547
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 4: you know, for you and everything, and uh, and Mike

548
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,159
Speaker 4: did say that the only way we can do it

549
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:30,960
Speaker 4: is if you play.

550
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,639
Speaker 2: And so she was. She came and did and did it.

551
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:36,440
Speaker 2: She was amazing.

552
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,920
Speaker 4: And her husband, Julius Uh was great to He.

553
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 2: Played Mike's dad. They play husband and wife.

554
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,119
Speaker 4: And he was like because he because I asked Michael, like,

555
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,360
Speaker 4: what's the like, I'm trying to find an actor play

556
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 4: your father, like, and I know, you know, his father

557
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,639
Speaker 4: passed away and a lot has been said about how

558
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,119
Speaker 4: close they weren't all that stuff, and I was like,

559
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 4: how do.

560
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:56,399
Speaker 2: I who do I look for?

561
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 4: And he was like, my dad had the best personality

562
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,960
Speaker 4: of anybody in the world. And like when he told

563
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,399
Speaker 4: me that, I remember being like, he moved me, you know,

564
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 4: and so and then when she was I was like,

565
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,240
Speaker 4: this is just a dude who's so proud of his son.

566
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 4: And that's what I loved about, like what he did

567
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 4: with that because she was a little more cynical, she

568
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 4: kind of knew and saw maybe kind of through.

569
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,439
Speaker 2: Some of the bullshit, and I love the idea.

570
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 4: But he was just so fucking proud of his son

571
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,439
Speaker 4: and just love everybody dracking his son.

572
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 2: And making videos and shit and just happy. And it

573
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,440
Speaker 2: was beautiful and cutting that against.

574
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 4: Like the the clips of like, you know, his father's

575
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 4: you know, being killed.

576
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 2: Ultimately, I made it really really powerful, like.

577
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,400
Speaker 4: You watched this guy who's you're not gonna live through

578
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,639
Speaker 4: the story to see his Son become this you know

579
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 4: who he became. And but but those two were really

580
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 4: the anchor in the heart of the movie, and that

581
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 4: that was definitely what Mike he He was not like

582
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 4: sweating the corporate details of the fucking and like, you.

583
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 2: Know, he didn't. He was like look and he said

584
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,479
Speaker 2: what he said. But he what mattered to him was

585
00:23:59,520 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 2: like the.

586
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:04,120
Speaker 4: Certain key people you know, and and that we got

587
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 4: you know, Marlon and Chris to play them was cool.

588
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 2: And Chris, of course like knows.

589
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,439
Speaker 4: Everybody, you know what I mean, Chris guys who was like,

590
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,159
Speaker 4: you can be you know, you can't bring up a name.

591
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 2: He's cool. Jesus.

592
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,679
Speaker 3: Now he's friends with the two major mics excuse me,

593
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 3: Jordan and Magic and Michael Michael Jackson Jackson, Michael Jordan.

594
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 2: And he's like, yeah, I'm at Ali, you know, like

595
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 2: Mama Ali, Like who the fuck? Don't you know he's amazing.

596
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,360
Speaker 2: He's because you just like him and cool and oh yeah,

597
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 2: I'm cool.

598
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 4: Mandela, I was like, what, it's the craziest thing in

599
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 4: the world.

600
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,400
Speaker 2: But he's Christal, brilliant movie and I love him.

601
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,640
Speaker 5: How was it playing Phil?

602
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 2: You know, it was a little bit like did you

603
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:53,880
Speaker 2: talk to him. I didn't want to talk to him first.

604
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 4: I didn't want to get him to do anything with

605
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,640
Speaker 4: Nike because you know, I was aware that like people

606
00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,440
Speaker 4: are gonna be like, oh, this is like a Nike

607
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,400
Speaker 4: propagame or whatever, and.

608
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 2: I didn't want to. We didn't get any shoes or

609
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 2: gear from them.

610
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 4: We didn't get shipped from you know, or we got

611
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 4: like the some of the stuff off eBay that was

612
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,439
Speaker 4: like the old waffle the shoe and stuff.

613
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 2: And so they hadn't seen the movie at all and

614
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:15,439
Speaker 2: really know about it and kind of.

615
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:19,119
Speaker 4: Heard about it after we were done, and then they

616
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 4: asked to screen it.

617
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,360
Speaker 2: And that's when I was like, oh shit.

618
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 4: I was having a lot of fun, you know, playing

619
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 4: Phil and kind of fucking with him, and so we

620
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 4: went up and they were like, yeah, come up and show.

621
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 2: Fill the movie.

622
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 4: It's like okay, And all of a sudden, I was like,

623
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 4: oh man, did I go too far with fucking round?

624
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 2: Like they can sue us and shit.

625
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,679
Speaker 4: And they asked us to come up there, and we

626
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:45,639
Speaker 4: showed the movie in Portland, but not at Nike. I

627
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 4: think they like rented up this whole movie theater down

628
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 4: the street and we showed it, and Phil showed up

629
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 4: and his kids, his wife and then like the general

630
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 4: counsel for Nike, and so I introduced it and I

631
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 4: remember being like, look, this is about the spirit of

632
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:03,120
Speaker 4: the company.

633
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 2: And Phil, remember.

634
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,160
Speaker 4: Everybody likes to fuck with the boss, so you gotta

635
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,919
Speaker 4: have a sense of humor about that. And to his credit,

636
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 4: he really did, you know. He was like, yeah, you know,

637
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 4: you could take exception with.

638
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 2: This moment and that moment. Everybody has their thing. But

639
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 2: it was actually really moving.

640
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 4: When the movie was over, I walked in there and

641
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 4: I saw like I was like, I shouldn't have done

642
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 4: that thing where I stole the candy.

643
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 1: At the end the movie.

644
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 2: I was like, what am I fuck? An idiot? I

645
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 2: don't even think about this. I walked out there and

646
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 2: everyone was.

647
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 4: Quiet and and nobody would say anything until Phil said something,

648
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 4: and so it was kind of waiting. I said, so,

649
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 4: all right, you know, what'd you think? And Phil was like, well,

650
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 4: I have some notes. I was like, gosh shit, all right,

651
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 4: all right, well it's locked, but you know we can

652
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 4: if you have some caveats, I can talk about them

653
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 4: in the press or whatever.

654
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 2: And and he said, first thing he said to me.

655
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 4: He was like, we were friends, and I thought for

656
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 4: a minute it looked like the d was about to cry.

657
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 2: He's like he because the truth is like that group

658
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 2: kind of scattered after that, and.

659
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,719
Speaker 4: Because of the success of the Jordan thing, Son Hen

660
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 4: went to Adidas and and and Bateman's character also left,

661
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 4: and you know, success brings success, but also sometimes people

662
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 4: arguing about whose credit and he gets credit everything, And

663
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 4: we didn't include that any of this stuff at the

664
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 4: end of the movie, but I got the sense, and

665
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 4: he didn't say that that there was like, yeah, there

666
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 4: have been acrimony, there had been competition, and when he

667
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 4: saw it because what we did go to great lengths

668
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,160
Speaker 4: to copy exactly with like the office and the look

669
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 4: and all that stuff, and he was like, you know, Phels,

670
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 4: he's older now, and he was like and he seemed

671
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 4: like he was almost about to cry.

672
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 2: He was like, we were friends.

673
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 4: We were just friends trying to do something like he

674
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 4: got lost in the nostalgia of like ye, he took

675
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,439
Speaker 4: him there, took him there, and uh, you know, and

676
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 4: then all everybody else was like, oh, yeah, great movie.

677
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 2: So he had to break the ice. Yeah he did.

678
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 6: Interesting, if you were doing a bio pick up Michael

679
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 6: Jordan's you think anybody clo would you think we play?

680
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 5: Is there anybody that you can come to mind?

681
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:06,439
Speaker 4: It's so difficult, man, because you know, part of it is,

682
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 4: I mean there's great actors like look, you know, like

683
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 4: I mean it's funny, but like I think Michael B.

684
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 4: Jordan's one of the one of the great actors. I

685
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 4: love him. I think he's just like this like of

686
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 4: this new generation. Like I just think he's spectacular. I

687
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 4: think he's amazing in centners. A guy is just unbelievable.

688
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 4: You know, he's been a friend of mine for a while,

689
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,880
Speaker 4: and so you know, he's a he's a first name

690
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 4: that comes to mind just because he's actually too yoked, right,

691
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 4: he has that like magnetism and charisma.

692
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 2: You know. And I didn't you know, I didn't know.

693
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 4: I wasn't around Jordans, So I don't know how much

694
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 4: of it was, how much of the intimidation level or

695
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 4: the toughness or whatever, like, because when I was a

696
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 4: fan watching them, so I just saw what the other

697
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 4: fans saw. And back in those days, you know, there

698
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 4: was more of a filter that was getting put on.

699
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 2: You guys, know, a lot better.

700
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 4: Than me, obviously, but that's the sense I get. So

701
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 4: Jordan remains kind.

702
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 2: Of a mysterious figure to me too. Probably he seems

703
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 2: to not be interested chasing ship.

704
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 5: If it was one sports movie you could make, what

705
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 5: would it be? You know?

706
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 4: That's that's a tough one. I mean, I feel like

707
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 4: there's some I read a script.

708
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 2: About the four Red Sox that was pretty good.

709
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 4: I feel like that story has been told a bunch,

710
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 4: but for me growing up in Boston, when we yeah,

711
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 4: it gets lost in New York over and over again,

712
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 4: you know, and three was that's.

713
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 2: Right, Yankees, that's true and right now nobody could talk

714
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 2: to you.

715
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 4: That's that's probably the most like moving story to me,

716
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 4: because you know, that was like still when it just

717
00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 4: felt like we could never ever win.

718
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 2: This team was never gonna win anything.

719
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 4: You know, it didn't matter like you know, seventy six

720
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 4: it did, you know, eighty six they had lost and lost,

721
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 4: and and then in three was such a such a

722
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 4: humiliation and then to win that, you know, and how

723
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 4: many years the curse. I mean, that's probably the greatest

724
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 4: sports story. But you know, I don't know, sometimes you

725
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 4: feel like you touch with something like that.

726
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 2: And fuck with it.

727
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 4: Like, boy, there's there's a you know, you have to

728
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 4: like capture it, you know, and that's daunting goodwill hunting.

729
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,959
Speaker 3: You became you and Matt became the youngest to get

730
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,239
Speaker 3: an oscar to age twenty five. You guys wrote that

731
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 3: two kids from Boston take us back to that time

732
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 3: and what that meant.

733
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 2: You know, It's like.

734
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 4: I hadn't, you know, like no idea that it was

735
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 4: so close to a time where we were just trying

736
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 4: to get a movie made to be in it so

737
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 4: that we could skip like just you know, getting.

738
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 2: Blocked by the casting director.

739
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 4: And we thought, okay, if we can get a real

740
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 4: like a VHS list back, you know, a VHS tape

741
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 4: that has some performances on it that we're proud of,

742
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 4: like maybe we can jumpstart our acting careers. And you know,

743
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 4: the year before those Oscars, I was like in you know,

744
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 4: in Boston, in an apartment, you know, in a three bedroom,

745
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 4: watching the Oscars on TV, and you know, like I

746
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 4: always had.

747
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 2: And to to go and be there. The next year

748
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 2: was really like you know, it's this sounds funny.

749
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 4: This sounds like it's like you know, you're getting like

750
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 4: you're driving on the road and all of a sudden

751
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 4: the car hit some ice or whatever start spinning.

752
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 2: You know. It was sort of like that, like you're

753
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 2: moving in slow motion and.

754
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 4: Think, oh my god, am I gonna get in a

755
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 4: You know, it was like that. It didn't really feel real,

756
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 4: and it was so unexpected and and it was so

757
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 4: kind of overnight in a way.

758
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 2: Those Oscars were because of because of Titanic.

759
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 4: It was like this huge hit movie and that was

760
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 4: the Titanic year, and they won all these Oscars. You know,

761
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 4: we were drafted that and so a lot of people

762
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 4: watched that show too. We're more famous for having been

763
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 4: the kids no one heard of than won the Oscar.

764
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 4: Then people had seen the movie, and you know, it

765
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 4: was definitely one of those kind of launching you into

766
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 4: a whole other space that you weren't familiar with.

767
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 2: It took a long time to get acclimated to that,

768
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 2: but you know, obviously it was. It was great. It

769
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 2: was we were just too young to totally appreciate.

770
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 3: You know, is this urban legend to see what studios

771
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 3: actually read the script? Did you put a sex scene

772
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 3: between Will and Chucky and only one actually caught it?

773
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, we did it actually a scene where he where

774
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 4: the say this now where the therapist gave Will a

775
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 4: blowjob in the put it like one sad like and

776
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 4: then he starts blowing him and we thought like listen

777
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 4: and yeah, only one one or two actually get back

778
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 4: the note. It was like, and maybe maybe cut that

779
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 4: part because we were frustrated after a while of like,

780
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 4: you know, you you do stuff and then you get

781
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 4: these notes where it was like, do you give you

782
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 4: notes to do something that was kind of already in

783
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 4: the script?

784
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like, yeah it was.

785
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,719
Speaker 4: I realized later on that that's actually kind of a

786
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 4: common thing. It's sort of like you you kind of

787
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 4: want more of something after you've read it, and so

788
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 4: you'll ask, but like in a note like I've done

789
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 4: it myself and realized, oh, I kind of have to

790
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,479
Speaker 4: check myself now, like no, I see that was actually

791
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 4: in there and I'm just repeating it back to you.

792
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 4: At the time, we didn't, you know, we didn't get that. Yeah,

793
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 4: I'm also really young and stupid. I thought were fucking

794
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 4: punks and like did shit like that?

795
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: Rest in peace. Rob Reiner and Robin Williams as instrumental Yeah.

796
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 4: Rob, Rob Reiner was here a couple of months ago.

797
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 4: Right in this room, this is our writer's room, and

798
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 4: we have folks come by who have like one of

799
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 4: the things we do with the with the writers is

800
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 4: like we have like you know, asked like some of

801
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 4: these really experienced, kind of legendary folks come in and

802
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 4: kind of talk about their life and career and stuff.

803
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 4: And Rob did that, and you know, he was an

804
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 4: incredibly graceful, sweet guy, and he was His company was

805
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 4: the ones that initially not only bought the script for

806
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 4: Good One Hunting, but that also we had a whole

807
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 4: like kind of Beverly Hills cop like Banana and the tailpipe,

808
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 4: the secret agents that were like following Will around in

809
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 4: the first draft.

810
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,280
Speaker 2: And he was the voice there.

811
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 4: Along with the women their named does Glotzer mothers who said, like,

812
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 4: just cut that ship out.

813
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,280
Speaker 2: You don't need all that stuff in there. You're trying

814
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 2: to make it.

815
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 4: Like a fun commercial movie, you know, but you don't.

816
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,919
Speaker 4: You don't need to try to be a bever Hills cop,

817
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 4: you know, be your your movie.

818
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 2: And we we were what's this guy talking about?

819
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 4: And then we did it, and so we were very

820
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 4: grateful to him, and yeah, it's a sweetheart Robin.

821
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 2: Of course, it was like one of the greats. Well,

822
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 2: it's just sad.

823
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 6: How have you refrained from pimp slapping paparazzi members?

824
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 2: Lucky? You know, like you, I have lost my temper

825
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 2: a few times. Yeah, it's hard.

826
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 4: I mean you it's it's and again I know everyone's like, oh,

827
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 4: fuck you, you can play.

828
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:05,760
Speaker 2: It's not a complaint. I understand.

829
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 4: Yes, I'm aware that there's a lot of that. This

830
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 4: comes with it, and YadA YadA. I'm past that. But

831
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 4: the truth is, like with me, the times that have

832
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 4: been very difficult. I got I was like, okay, you

833
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 4: want to take a picture of me, Like one thing,

834
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 4: if I'm coming out of a a vent or a

835
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 4: club or what I find. But like when I've got

836
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:23,959
Speaker 4: like my kids, especially when they were younger, I'm trying

837
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 4: to go get you know, and there's four or five

838
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 4: guys to try and take your picture, and people are like,

839
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 4: why do you always look so mad? I'm like, because

840
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 4: every time somebody takes a picture of me, it's around

841
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 4: me and I got my kids with me, and I'm like,

842
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 4: hey man, you want to fuck off.

843
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 2: I'm with my kids right now. I don't need you

844
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 2: yelling at me and like, have a little decency.

845
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 4: You can fuck with me and come find me and

846
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 4: say shit like driving down the street.

847
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,959
Speaker 2: Whatever. Fine, if that's how you want to make a living.

848
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 4: But when I'm like, these kids were you know, it's

849
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 4: about ten and and shit, come on, you know, And

850
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 4: I always felt like that was a little bit beyond

851
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 4: the fucking pale. And you know they don't ever show

852
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 4: that like side. So yeah, it takes.

853
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 2: It does take discipline, and I haven't I haven't had enough.

854
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 2: I mean I've gotten mad, you know.

855
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 4: And so people are like, oh, you always look angry

856
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 4: or unhappy once you smile, I'm like, wow, I'm mostly

857
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 4: pretty happy guy. The only time someone's taking your picture,

858
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 4: when someone's fucking with your children, you're likely to have

859
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 4: an unfriendly face on.

860
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:21,720
Speaker 6: You know, we're good at flipping it on those people

861
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 6: and roasting their real entire lives. So if you ever

862
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 6: need any help or I want to learn how to

863
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 6: do this, we're great.

864
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 2: Are you good?

865
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 6: You have so many people that coming o me to

866
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 6: just dispute hate, and we and we don't. We don't

867
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 6: condone it. We just tell them about their real life

868
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 6: and it hurts to the soul to the core when

869
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 6: they have to get off the phone and go look

870
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 6: at the mirror and realize, damn yeah, bro, that's in

871
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 6: real life.

872
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 1: And most of the time though, I just wanted your attention.

873
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 1: That's what you ain't got to say nothing.

874
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 4: The worst for me is they're like, come fuck with

875
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 4: you and your kids and then go there and thanks

876
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 4: thanks man, thank you.

877
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 2: That's the thing where I want.

878
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 3: To what do you say to the people that say

879
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 3: Hollywood is dead it's too expensive to make movies out here.

880
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 2: I mean, sadly, there's some truth to that.

881
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 4: Like going back to what kind of talked about initially

882
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 4: with like trying to find ways where you know, because

883
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 4: like where I started in this business was like a

884
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,720
Speaker 4: free before Good Hunting was you know, in a bunch

885
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 4: of very low budget like two and five thousand dollars

886
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 4: movie or you know, a million dollar movie, which to

887
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 4: me that seemed like a lot of money. You got

888
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 4: to go get a million dollars from somebody, And I

889
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 4: thought that, like, you know, it shouldn't be that the

890
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 4: barrier to entry is so high that you know, I

891
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 4: think there should be, and there are, but it needs

892
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 4: to improve, like kind of tears where you can come

893
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 4: in and do something that's you know, not trying.

894
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 2: To be a very big commercial movie.

895
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 4: You're trying to take some risks, trying to do some

896
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 4: interesting stuff that still can use professional people. I would

897
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 4: love for the for for that to be possible, but

898
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 4: you know, and part of it's you got people that

899
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 4: want to work and you know, and that are are

900
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 4: really willing, especially like here in town. But then you

901
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 4: know it can cost more in California. The big thing

902
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 4: is that other states or even other countries give these

903
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 4: tax breaks, so then it's like you can't compete with them,

904
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 4: you know, so all of a sudden and yeah, and

905
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 4: then they'll be okay, New Mexico, mass Veus, Louisiana, Georgia.

906
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 4: But then they also disappear as kind of whack a

907
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 4: mole and everybody's or London, like the UK gives up.

908
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 4: That's why all the superhero movies are all made in London.

909
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 4: And you know that's I'm sure it's a lot of

910
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 4: money in the rebates that they're given away, and I

911
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 4: can't speak to whether or not it's economically viable. I

912
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 4: assume they're doing it for a reason, but it's so

913
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 4: much money that.

914
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,280
Speaker 2: You just can't compete with it.

915
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 4: It's one thing like to say, you know, if you're

916
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 4: talking about five percent of the budget, it's thirty forty

917
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 4: percent of the budget.

918
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,479
Speaker 2: You know, you have no real no choice.

919
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 4: And as a consequence, if something's more expensive, people get

920
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 4: risk averse. And when the risk averse that they'll tend

921
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 4: to just do the same shit like and now, so

922
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 4: you get the safe kind of homogenized stuff. And so

923
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,399
Speaker 4: it's a vicious psycho mess.

924
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 6: So it's just an educated guess from your experience. If

925
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 6: you're shooting a movie the minimum not I ain't saying

926
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 6: like the highest growth, but to do a movie that

927
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,760
Speaker 6: you definitely want to hit the theater that you definitely

928
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 6: want to be seen, or will be the budget for

929
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 6: that like just a number.

930
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 4: Well, if you're gonna make a movie, forget even about

931
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 4: like some you know, you forget about you know, Dwayne

932
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 4: Johnson or some huge star like salary. Just to shoot

933
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 4: a movie that's you know, you know where there's a

934
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 4: certain amount of like you know, you got your forty

935
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 4: fifty days of shooting and certain production and it really varies.

936
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 4: But like people will tell you now, like it's very

937
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 4: very difficult to make a movie for less than twenty

938
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 4: five million dollars, right, yeah, and twenty five and it

939
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 4: can go up very quickly as soon as you're you know,

940
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 4: you've got a big stunt unit or big action stuff

941
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 4: or visual effects. And here's the thing with theatrical, which

942
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 4: is why it's it's very hard. Like you spend about

943
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 4: the same amount that you spend on the movie to

944
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 4: advertise the movie. So if you spend twenty five million

945
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,240
Speaker 4: to make the movie, you twenty five million to advertise

946
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 4: the movie.

947
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 2: So now you got fifty million dollars.

948
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 4: Into the movie, and from the movie theaters you get

949
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,320
Speaker 4: back roughly fifty percent. So if a movie makes a

950
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 4: hundred million dollars, you know, you get back fifty million dollars.

951
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 4: So if you get back fifty million dollars, that's you.

952
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 4: You twenty five million dollar movie got a gross one

953
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 4: hundred million, just in simple math. And there is a tale,

954
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 4: and there are secondary revenue streams. But that's one of

955
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,320
Speaker 4: the things that has made it really hard to get theatrical.

956
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 4: That and the fact that people now go, ah, this

957
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 4: movie looks good, but I'll see it when it comes

958
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 4: down streaming, you know, And so those two factors are

959
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 4: really what's caused, you know why you see mostly the

960
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 4: movies that come out in theaters or you know, Avengers

961
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 4: and or you know Avatar or whatever it is, you know,

962
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,240
Speaker 4: and a movie, even a movie with that Ryan Coopler,

963
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 4: who's a huge commercial director and Michael Jordan is a

964
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 4: huge movie star, that's considered kind of a risk because

965
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 4: it's not like a sequel, right, you know, and even

966
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 4: that comes out and blows up and now you know,

967
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 4: out of them make Centers two, three, four, five, and six.

968
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 4: But to do something original that's really you know, when

969
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 4: those guys had to go out and really kind of

970
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 4: use all their credibility and cachet to convince people to

971
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 4: do that movie.

972
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 5: Well, similar to some of the like you did on

973
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 5: Center see kind of like you're like an artist equity

974
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 5: type of thing. With how he's structured to feel.

975
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 4: And how Ryan's are really you know, it seems like

976
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 4: a very very smart guy and he's been he he

977
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 4: did a really smart thing with that deal, which is

978
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 4: that he kind of related to this idea of kind

979
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,479
Speaker 4: of ownership like some of the Heir and the Jordan

980
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 4: dew earlier, like you're gonna get the movie and you're

981
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 4: gonna release the movie, but like you know, they're gonna

982
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,720
Speaker 4: be participants in it, and they got what's called a reversion,

983
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 4: so that Ryan and I assume you know, the other

984
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 4: principal creators the movie reverts back.

985
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 2: To his ownership.

986
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 4: Because there's a lot of value in a movie, the

987
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 4: movies that are really successful, Uh, they have a lot

988
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 4: of value in what's called like the tails. Like that's

989
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 4: why you know people will still they'll still license the

990
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 4: movie for ten twenty million dollars to Netflix or Prime

991
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 4: or Max. You know that's been out a long time ago,

992
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 4: because people will still watch it if it's like a big,

993
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 4: big hit. So now Ryan will be able to not

994
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 4: just you know, get a piece of it now, but

995
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 4: in ten years when they're going to license Sinners again,

996
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 4: that's I'll go back to him. And he bet on himself,

997
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 4: right and really now cruised the value of that. Yeah,

998
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 4: very very sharp, very innovative. It was very controversial. So

999
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 4: a lot of people were on the studio side were

1000
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 4: mad at War Brothers because it was like, oh, you're

1001
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 4: you're giving away this value. But that's an example of

1002
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 4: like using that leverage. It's like Okay, you Feilure. This

1003
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 4: guy is so good and he's got this cast and

1004
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 4: this script so good.

1005
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 2: He's like, this is what I want change change the business.

1006
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 3: Essentially a lot of people in Hollywood and really just

1007
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 3: overall or a little bit afraid of AI.

1008
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: What are your thought what's your thoughts with AI?

1009
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 2: I think there's like two ways to think about it.

1010
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 4: Like I can understand why people are afraid just in

1011
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 4: role of AI, right, Like there's this whole thing of

1012
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 4: behalf of It's like it's gonna be super intelligent and

1013
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 4: it's gonna be skying at in a terminator and take

1014
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 4: over the world like like, which is a little bit like, well,

1015
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 4: let's then maybe just not put AI in charge of

1016
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 4: shit to start with, you know what I mean?

1017
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 2: I would say that's probably a wise choice.

1018
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 4: I think in terms of like what it can do

1019
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 4: as a tool. I actually think that what I would

1020
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 4: like to see happen is that it be kind of

1021
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 4: owned and integrated into what filmmakers are doing. It's never

1022
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 4: gonna be, and I don't think anyone ever wants to

1023
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 4: see like this whole till, you know or with think

1024
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 4: that that's bullshit. Nobody wants to see or cares about

1025
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 4: something that you know is false. But and like not

1026
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 4: Rio and not a person like I just don't.

1027
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 2: Believe in that.

1028
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 4: I don't believe that's gonna work. I don't believe that's

1029
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 4: a real thing to worry about. I think there are

1030
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 4: some things about the technology that would make visual effects, uh,

1031
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 4: you know, less expensive, and like those things I think

1032
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 4: that we should adopt and not sort of let fear

1033
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 4: mean that the only people that are using that technology

1034
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,720
Speaker 4: are people who are like, you know, basically like ripping

1035
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 4: something off or outside Hollywood or you know, because that

1036
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 4: doesn't make sense to me.

1037
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 3: You don't have a blanket fear of it. You feel

1038
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 3: like there's parts that could be very beneficial.

1039
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 4: There's definitely parts that can be very beneficial. Yeah, And

1040
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 4: the idea of looking at it in terms of just

1041
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 4: like all good, all bad. That's like when you think

1042
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 4: about electricity, you know what I mean, Well, when it's in.

1043
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 2: A nuclear momb I think it's bad.

1044
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 4: When it's on a train, and I think, you know,

1045
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 4: it's really that broad a category. It's gonna be about

1046
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 4: like how is it used? And there needs to be

1047
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 4: rules and there needs to be and they're frantically. There

1048
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 4: already are a lot of rules that about like using

1049
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 4: image and likeness, and I think that it's not a

1050
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 4: thing to be so terrified of, but it is a

1051
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 4: thing to kind of step up and define. And I

1052
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,399
Speaker 4: think you can present an opportunity, like you have a choice,

1053
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 4: you make your movie. You want to let people you know,

1054
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 4: fool around with your movie and make well, ai you.

1055
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 2: Know, shorts of it. Like if that's what.

1056
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 4: You're good with, you go ahead and do that, and

1057
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 4: you see the benefit of that, and that could be

1058
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 4: one of the ways that you, you know, you profit

1059
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 4: from that. Talking about sinners, if those guys want to

1060
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 4: let people make their little sinners I fight the vampires

1061
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:11,399
Speaker 4: too videos, great like then, but that money should be.

1062
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 2: Going to Ryan and Michael and Warner.

1063
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 4: Brothers and the people that invested in creating that. That's

1064
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 4: that as I think the bigger issue is connecting the

1065
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 4: compensation appropriately to the people that are actually creating the value.

1066
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 4: Because the reason why people want to do that ship

1067
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 4: is because they like the original you know, ip that

1068
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 4: it's associated with that somebody went out and made and

1069
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 4: built and you know, to me that that makes sense.

1070
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 4: But I don't think it's ever even gonna be practical

1071
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 4: or anybody really gives a shit of Just an all Ai,

1072
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,280
Speaker 4: you know, sort of animated movie.

1073
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 6: One of the best high highest movies ever. That's the

1074
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 6: shooting scenes in that movie. I mean, just unbelievable. Man

1075
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 6: high five all the way to have a shooting another one.

1076
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 5: Keep me in mind. I would love to play one

1077
00:45:58,760 --> 00:45:59,240
Speaker 5: of those.

1078
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,919
Speaker 4: Like I give you a recognized guy in the mask,

1079
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:03,919
Speaker 4: and should they be like, well, the one guy that's six,

1080
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 4: he's gonna blend in.

1081
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 2: No, I've got a nun mask on, or no, you.

1082
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 5: Have to keep me in the car. So the window.

1083
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,800
Speaker 6: Joe Mizzoula, coach of the Celtics, says why he watches

1084
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 6: the town four times a week and he goes to

1085
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:21,720
Speaker 6: every time he goes.

1086
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 5: To Fenway Park.

1087
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 2: He's looking for exte I love that.

1088
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 4: I don't know, this guy's like, that's like your fantasy,

1089
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, your hometown tea all of

1090
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 4: a sudden ting about like you know, I like, I

1091
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 4: thought somebody was bullshiting me when they first sent me

1092
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 4: that thing.

1093
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 2: I was like, what uh, But I mean, what can

1094
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 2: I say?

1095
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 5: Making that movie?

1096
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 2: It was fun.

1097
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 4: I mean, that was a movie where I was like,

1098
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 4: that's where I was like, Okay, I need to be

1099
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 4: make or break for me. So that was one where

1100
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 4: I was like, you know, I put everything I had

1101
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 4: into that and I got I mean, on weekends, I'll

1102
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 4: get like he's migraine.

1103
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 2: I Mean, it was very intense, but you know, there's

1104
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 2: a lot of.

1105
00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:00,280
Speaker 4: Freedom to just going like, Okay, I know that everything

1106
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 4: I have is riding on this, so I'm gonna do

1107
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 4: what I want to do and what I think is good.

1108
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 4: And I wasn't too worried about any other outside pressures

1109
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 4: and I loved it. I had great support and and

1110
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 4: like there was great performers in the movie, and the

1111
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 4: crew is fabulous. And that's where I started being like,

1112
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 4: damn it, this is a really a united process and effort.

1113
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,240
Speaker 2: It can be it can really get better.

1114
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 4: And that's where I really started to realize as a

1115
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 4: director how much you benefit from you know, get people

1116
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 4: that are great at what they do and put them

1117
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 4: around you, and that is good.

1118
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 2: Don't need to be the smartest and the guy that

1119
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:37,879
Speaker 2: you know be able to go yeah, that's a great idea.

1120
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 4: Let's do that and show people that that's how you're

1121
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 4: going to do it, and if you come up and contribute,

1122
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 4: that's going to be integrated into it. And then people

1123
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 4: are like, oh shit, maybe I can have that, you

1124
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 4: know what I mean. It's very kind of locked into

1125
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 4: that that process there. But I loved making the movie

1126
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 4: was off.

1127
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 5: And I appreciate it.

1128
00:47:52,719 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, look like I could definitely can you can find

1129
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 6: something about problems.

1130
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 2: Kind of give it away because you got that smile.

1131
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 2: You're too warm, you know what I mean, Like.

1132
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: Before we get the quick hit. It's just a couple

1133
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: of questions.

1134
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:18,359
Speaker 3: Obviously, January sixteenth, the Rip is out on Netflix. May

1135
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 3: make sure you check that out. What makes the Rip

1136
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 3: different from your average action thriller?

1137
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 2: What I like about the Rip is a that's just

1138
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 2: the cast is so strong, you know what I mean,

1139
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 2: Like Tana and Steven youwn.

1140
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 4: We just got like these really really strong performers, and

1141
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 4: it's got a very tight it really knows what is

1142
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 4: kind of like an old school you know, you got

1143
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 4: these cops. They show up, they're trying to you know,

1144
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:44,399
Speaker 4: they think there's a little bit of money in the house,

1145
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 4: and there's.

1146
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:46,760
Speaker 2: Way more than they thought.

1147
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 4: And it's kind of got that very simple proposition that

1148
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 4: let everybody kind of like approach this task and do

1149
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 4: it in a smart way.

1150
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:55,879
Speaker 2: It's just like what would you do and who can

1151
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 2: you trust?

1152
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 4: And that's really what it what it delivers on and

1153
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,359
Speaker 4: show the director have a very clean idea of that

1154
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 4: and you let.

1155
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:03,879
Speaker 2: The actors do their thing.

1156
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 4: There wasn't like rules about you had to be one

1157
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 4: way or another or oh this character can't do that.

1158
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 4: So you have this sense of anything can happen and

1159
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 4: you don't know who to trust, and it makes you

1160
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 4: want to keep watching.

1161
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,399
Speaker 2: And I'm really proud of the movie.

1162
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 3: Secret to a great action scene, what's the secret?

1163
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 1: You've had a lot of those.

1164
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,399
Speaker 4: Make it real like, it has to feel realistic once

1165
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 4: it starts feeling like I really saw that on the Boorne.

1166
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 2: It was the first time when he was.

1167
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 4: Like he's taking a pen and stabbing guy in the

1168
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 4: neck or something. All of a sudden, it was like, Ooh,

1169
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 4: that feels like what you would really do if somebody

1170
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 4: instead of like I'm gonna slide down the banister and

1171
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 4: shoot all of a sudden, that's a fantasy, instead of like,

1172
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,280
Speaker 4: you'll make it real like ground it with my advice

1173
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 4: quick hitters.

1174
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: First thing to come into mind. Let us know, if your.

1175
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 3: Hollywood career was a basketball career, what year would you

1176
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 3: say is your MVP season? And when years were you

1177
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 3: fighting for minutes?

1178
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 2: Fighting for minutes from oh two to oh seven MVP

1179
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 2: like ninety eight big rookie year, follow up.

1180
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 4: Year then scuffled as they say, and then uh yeah,

1181
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 4: this is where you get This is where this is

1182
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 4: a more forgiving business because you get to keep rolling

1183
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 4: as you get older. And for really me, I feel

1184
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 4: like I've actually feel like I'm my best personally artistically,

1185
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 4: Like how I feel like now this last ten years,

1186
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 4: I'm really happy.

1187
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 6: You know, most irresponsible purchase from a big check earlier

1188
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 6: on in your career bentally.

1189
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: This one.

1190
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 2: This dude's read up on me.

1191
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 4: Couple Yeah, early on, you know, not really realizing that,

1192
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 4: like you're not as rich as the paycheck, you know

1193
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 4: what I.

1194
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 2: Mean, half my money where taxes what?

1195
00:50:58,840 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 5: So?

1196
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:02,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely the mornages and the spine spurs.

1197
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 5: Is costing back there, boy, you had a couple of.

1198
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 3: Them, biggest body transformation you ever had to go through

1199
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 3: for a role.

1200
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 4: Couple one one for the town because the guy was

1201
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 4: supposed to have been like a pro athlete, and uh,

1202
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 4: I probably overdid it for a pro hockey player because

1203
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 4: then I had to meet some of these pro hockey players.

1204
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 2: I'm like, you don't even look that rep.

1205
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 4: But also they had I couldn't get the hockey body

1206
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 4: because they have big legs and the big ass because

1207
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:29,399
Speaker 4: they you know, that shit was never gonna happen. That's

1208
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 4: my real deficit. I hate squads on ship. I always did,

1209
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 4: like armed but the town. And then for Batman versus.

1210
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 2: Super I got it.

1211
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,839
Speaker 1: I you know, I felt, okay, I gotta be BigMan.

1212
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 2: That was good.

1213
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,240
Speaker 5: M J. Kobe Broun wrankled.

1214
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 2: M J Kobe Lebron, m J Bron Kobe.

1215
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,879
Speaker 3: Five dinner guests that are alive. You plus five at

1216
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:53,879
Speaker 3: a dinner table.

1217
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 4: Me plus five at the greatest dinner guests.

1218
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 2: My gosh, okay, whew.

1219
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:09,720
Speaker 4: I wasn't ready for this one, okay, Martin Luther, King, Buddha,

1220
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 4: Jimmy Hendrix by Marley and and.

1221
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:19,840
Speaker 2: Cindy Crawford nineteen eighty six.

1222
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 5: I got it. That's gonna that's gonna be a good time.

1223
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 5: That's gonna be a good time.

1224
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 4: I remember nineteen eighty six, I had a poster Cindy

1225
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 4: Crawford on my wall, and I was like.

1226
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 3: This, well, that was the next question with your childhood crush.

1227
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:31,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, dingo, definitely Cindy cro.

1228
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 6: Hollywood equivalent of a rookie mistake that I made, taking,

1229
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 6: you know, for like the first time somebody offered me

1230
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 6: a bunch of money for a movie, I really got

1231
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 6: into it.

1232
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,879
Speaker 4: You know, my mother had made whatever thirty thousand dollars

1233
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 4: a year as a public school teacher, and my dad,

1234
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,800
Speaker 4: you know, sometimes had a job, and so all of

1235
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:57,839
Speaker 4: a sudden, you know, people are gonna give you three

1236
00:52:57,960 --> 00:52:59,439
Speaker 4: thousand dollars, six thousands.

1237
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:02,839
Speaker 2: A million dollars offered six million dollars for Reindeer games.

1238
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't need to read this fucking script. Truly.

1239
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 4: That's the way I thought, was like it would be

1240
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 4: irresponsible and crazy, and like, who the fuck would I.

1241
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 2: Be to turn something down like that?

1242
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 4: And by the way, that they had a movie, you

1243
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 4: had a very good director in Charlie's darons In and everything.

1244
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 4: But the point being, I really didn't understand the cliche

1245
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 4: of like you have to you have to do good

1246
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 4: work and let the believe that the money will follow

1247
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 4: that as soon as you start getting you know, there's

1248
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 4: a reason that you pay any more than somebody else.

1249
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 4: It's because, like, you know, hey, come play with fourteen

1250
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 4: full scrubs, you know over here, and you know you're

1251
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 4: not gonna win anything over there. And that's kind of

1252
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 4: like it's even more extreme because you're like it or not.

1253
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 4: People will associate you with the quality of the movies

1254
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 4: that you do.

1255
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 6: If you can see one person on our show, who

1256
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 6: would it be? But you have to help us get

1257
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 6: your answer on the show. Tanna, Yeah, that's she's real.

1258
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 6: She's fucking spectactus.

1259
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, she doesn't know how to bullshit, you know what

1260
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:06,359
Speaker 4: I mean, tell you the truth. Talking to her is like, yeah,

1261
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 4: it was a lot of fun. She she was just

1262
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 4: she has not political and she's like Dan Taylor's one

1263
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:14,360
Speaker 4: of those people that like leaves every room where everybody

1264
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 4: in the room is much more impressed with her than

1265
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 4: she is.

1266
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 6: I love that you go to the same brunch spot

1267
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 6: in Atlanta, So she's super cool.

1268
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 3: Ben, Thank you for your time. Make sure you check

1269
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 3: out The Rip January sixteenth on Netflix.

1270
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 2: Thank you. I appreciate it, all right, appreciate

1271
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 5: Thought