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Speaker 1: Desuso with us, of course, one of our favorite guests,

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Speaker 1: and he did a Beyond Belief television show with me

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Speaker 1: several months ago. Two did a great job. Has investigated

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Speaker 1: and collected experiences on paranormal topics for at least two

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Speaker 1: decades now. He was an FBI special agent who maintained

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Speaker 1: a top secret security clearance for more than twenty five years.

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Speaker 1: He worked in counter terrorism and violent crime cases. He's

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Speaker 1: also during that time collected what he calls the real

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Speaker 1: life X Files. Welcome back to Coast to coast, John

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Speaker 1: to SUSA, John, welcome back, my friend. Hello George, thank

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Speaker 1: you very much. It's great to be on here with

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Speaker 1: you again. And I am so happy that on this up,

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Speaker 1: on this solemn occasion with the Las Vegas mass shooting,

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Speaker 1: that you were able to have Dr John Lotts on

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Speaker 1: that was That was amazingly appropriate and just very helpful.

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Speaker 1: I think that everyone he he knows his stuff, John,

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Speaker 1: and of course you do too. And let me ask

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Speaker 1: you all while I've got you on this topic. You

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Speaker 1: worked in counter terrorism, and of course while this was

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Speaker 1: unfolding last night, there were many many people were thinking,

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, is this terrorism? Is this isis? And

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, most people felt somewhat relieved when

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Speaker 1: we found out that now this was this was just

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Speaker 1: an American, It was a local. But have you ever

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Speaker 1: of heard of a situation where somebody does not have

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Speaker 1: a police record like this and just snaps and does

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Speaker 1: what he did? You know, it's very rare, George, to

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Speaker 1: have a situation like that where someone just has a

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Speaker 1: very clean record, But it has happened before because what

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Speaker 1: is going to be present at some point is radicalization

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Speaker 1: of the individual. No matter how clean record they have,

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Speaker 1: no matter how they have nothing except maybe a parking

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Speaker 1: ticket in their past, they are going to have some

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Speaker 1: sort of radicalization. And that could be from Isis, that

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Speaker 1: could be from another source. But there was something that

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Speaker 1: affected the mind of this person and brought them into

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Speaker 1: a propaganda program that changed their thinking into something. It

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Speaker 1: is something horrible, frankly, and that's what it's going to

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Speaker 1: be present no matter what. And I had had some

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Speaker 1: law enforcement of sources who apparently say that the and

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Speaker 1: this will come out in the days to come, but

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Speaker 1: that the police that we're able to break into the

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Speaker 1: room where the shooter was. They found, uh, they found

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Speaker 1: all kinds of propaganda from whatever is what is called

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Speaker 1: Antifa or the relations antifa, and that's not that's not

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Speaker 1: verified at this point, but I think it will come out.

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Speaker 1: And of course that doesn't mean that Antifa radicalized him.

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Speaker 1: It could still be Isis because ISIS is claiming, as

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Speaker 1: we all know, and that he's one of the soldiers.

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Speaker 1: But I'm not sure. I mean, this guy was a

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Speaker 1: multi millionaire. Um, it just doesn't make sense that this

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Speaker 1: one is a strange case. It really, it really is.

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Speaker 1: But what we know, what we know for sure was

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Speaker 1: that this was a really sick, sick act and that

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Speaker 1: the victims require our support, prayers, and we have to

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Speaker 1: support them at all times in what they are going

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Speaker 1: is a responsibility on the part of law enforcement and

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Speaker 1: part of the bodies that are investigating this, that they

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Speaker 1: at some point they have to make some of this

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Speaker 1: public because people see things, see investigations that don't show

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Speaker 1: what's happening with the with the ultimate investigative conclusion that

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Speaker 1: people come to, and it causes them to distrust the

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Speaker 1: final conclusion. And so, for one thing, I know for

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Speaker 1: a fact that begins to at the place where he was,

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Speaker 1: there's CCTV. However every inch of that place, absolutely so,

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Speaker 1: to get up to where he was. They had they

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Speaker 1: have to expose, they have to show some of that

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Speaker 1: corroborate that this individual was the person who did it

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Speaker 1: I mean, did he have somebody else help carry all that?

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Speaker 1: You know, how many trips did he take? Fifteen with

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Speaker 1: strange thing. John And I'm not a police officer, but uh,

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Speaker 1: he either had a do not disturb on the outside

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Speaker 1: cleaned it because you would think the cleaning people would

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Speaker 1: see something unusual. Absolutely, And at the same time, though

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Speaker 1: cleaning people still notice every and so do the cameras.

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Speaker 1: So whatever went on in the time going up to that,

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Speaker 1: so you know when if there, if they are going to,

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Speaker 1: uh make to make the claim that this individual bidness

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Speaker 1: on at all without any help, then it should show

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Speaker 1: some of the evidence that is the case. It's not

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Speaker 1: too much to ask, I mean, make claims, any claims

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Speaker 1: that are made should have some evidence shown. And the

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Speaker 1: people trust the coming well, and aren't there aren't there

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Speaker 1: cameras John in Vegas on the floors as well, so

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Speaker 1: they can see who's walking down the hallway towards their

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Speaker 1: rooms exactly exactly, George. And they have to review and

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Speaker 1: they have to go through all of these at the time,

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Speaker 1: right around the time of the act. Uh, not just

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Speaker 1: of the man himself who did the deed, but of

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Speaker 1: anyone that was in the areas going in and out

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Speaker 1: and who may have looked suspicious or appeared suspicious at

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Speaker 1: the time exactly. I mean, did five guys go in

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Speaker 1: his room with him? Who knows absolutely well? I I

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Speaker 1: hope so, I hope they don't have incredible evidence. Uh,

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Speaker 1: have been injured and their families and for the rest

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Speaker 1: of the American public. Exactly. It's important to it's important

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Speaker 1: to build trust when you have these when you have

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Speaker 1: so much law enforcement working towards a single for the

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Speaker 1: want to have that trust. You can't just you can't

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Speaker 1: just do the old Hey, yeah, we we got we

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Speaker 1: got been laden. We had him in this plane. And

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Speaker 1: but there's no d n A test. We're not gonna

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Speaker 1: show DNA test. We're not gonna show any proof that

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Speaker 1: he was the guy. We're not going to show you

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Speaker 1: the body. We're not can't do any of that. But

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Speaker 1: it is true, it doesn't it doesn't work well. And

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Speaker 1: let me ask you as a former FBI agent, and

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Speaker 1: we're going to get into how you got involved in

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Speaker 1: the re elect files and the paranormal but do you

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Speaker 1: trust things that you hear from government? You know, I

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Speaker 1: feel like Ronald Reagan on that topic. I think that

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Speaker 1: you should trust but verify. Uh. It's important to listen.

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Speaker 1: It's important to see uh, the conclusions that are reached

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Speaker 1: putting forward. But at the same time, people have a

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Speaker 1: actually going on, of what is actually going on, what's

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Speaker 1: really happened, And that is so important, especially at the

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Speaker 1: time when we've had so many investigations that of mass shooting,

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Speaker 1: of mass shooting to where people have a questions and

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Speaker 1: I would say rightfully so in some case where people

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Speaker 1: have questioned the final conclusion that has been reached some

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Speaker 1: finding of loan shooter, lone wolf shooters, where there is

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Speaker 1: no no assistance, no outside involvement of anyone, and uh,

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Speaker 1: we're you know, and we're told to believe that a

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Speaker 1: single individual did this monumental deed that caused so much

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Speaker 1: death across a huge spectrum and had absolutely no help.

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Speaker 1: It's trying to make that claim. Uh, they have to.

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Speaker 1: They have to show something to bolster that claimant and

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Speaker 1: to show an underpinning of what exact really happens. That's

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