1 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:09,639 Speaker 1: It's time for the big a q a A to 2 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:10,879 Speaker 1: b a q a. 3 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 2: What you say the big a que it with me, Dad, 4 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 2: big aque with tiffin A to b. 5 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 3: A q a. 6 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 4: Hey man, how you doing? My micro's shaking? 7 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 5: That wasn't me. 8 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:23,279 Speaker 4: That's quick. 9 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 2: So this is b a q a where you have questions. 10 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 2: We have answers, but not necessarily for you. These are 11 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 2: non educational little light salt on your on your steak 12 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 2: answers that we're really talking to each other. AKA, so 13 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 2: your grandmother, not us, because you're gonna take it with 14 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 2: the smallest grain of salt, and then you're going to 15 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 2: reach out to the people that you pay with the 16 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 2: additional information that you need because this is for entertainment only. 17 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: So let's entertain. 18 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 2: So we did money last week. Let's talk careers and 19 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 2: business this week. Manage you want to kick it off? 20 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 2: You want me to kick off for you? 21 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 4: What's I'm curious. I'm going to do the shopify Etsy 22 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 4: one first. Let's do that one first. 23 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 1: Okay, So you want me to read it? 24 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 4: Yeah? Please, I'm kaind. 25 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 2: So we've got an email from Daja Dasa says, good 26 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 2: morning out weall as well. Recently you shouted out the 27 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 2: Shopify platform. I'm considering building an online business of crafted 28 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 2: products I've made. This is really important and I'd like 29 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 2: to know the pros and cons of Shopify in comparison 30 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 2: to a platform like Etsy. Could you share why you 31 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 2: like the Shopify platform over Etsy. I love the show 32 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,639 Speaker 2: and thank you for giving me major black girl magic 33 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 2: for the past few years. And I'm an og listener. 34 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 2: We love that from twenty eighteen, not a magical week, Yes, 35 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 2: a Asia. 36 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 4: Okay, I mean twenty fifteen listeners. Can we get a 37 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 4: shout out if you've been with an I love people 38 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 4: with chips, prove you've been listening since twenty fifteen. 39 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 5: I love that. 40 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 4: So Shopify versus so. I can't not plug Briann and 41 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 4: Bisson podcast and the store dot com, which is where 42 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 4: you can get Brown Ambition merch And it was a 43 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 4: little dusty and rusty. Some of the stuff was sold 44 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 4: out for a while, but I just revamped it. So 45 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 4: there's a brand new b A swag. 46 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 5: Let me look, Lenna, go look you said at the store. 47 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 4: Yes, very cute stuff. Let me look to Brown ambitionstore 48 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 4: dot com. 49 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 1: You never know. 50 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 4: I'm like you do things. I was I was fiddling 51 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 4: so much. I just want to be sure everything you'll 52 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 4: still looks good. Yeah, we got a new toe bag. 53 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 1: It's very cute, looks so cute. 54 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,679 Speaker 2: This picture of us is everything was at toaballa black 55 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 2: girl that took our picture, but. 56 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 4: She's not Tonana Belle anymore. 57 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:37,119 Speaker 1: She got must start. 58 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 4: She keeps it though. What a cute, what a great name. 59 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 4: We got stickers, we got the relaxed T shirt. They 60 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 4: have not. This is the thing about Shopify and print Full. 61 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 4: So for those who don't know, if you I have 62 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 4: a we have a Shopify store, which is how we 63 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 4: which is where you go to purchase the products for 64 00:02:56,160 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 4: Brown Ambition, but the products are actually made by print full, 65 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 4: which is another site. They're connected, so it's pretty seamless 66 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 4: for me to kind of update each once. Like any 67 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 4: platform online, it's a little bit tricky to start out 68 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 4: to figure out how do you price things, what sizes 69 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 4: do you want, what profit do you want? Because they 70 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 4: will suggest a price, but if you you know you 71 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 4: want to make the profit margin lower or higher whatever, 72 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 4: you can adjust it. And then how do you get 73 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 4: your stores to the actual website and all that. It's 74 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 4: not all that difficult at all, I would say, but 75 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 4: I was just laughing because when I was updating our site, 76 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 4: I was like, please tell me they have updated home 77 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 4: Girl with the raggedy hair, because there's like not very 78 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 4: many women of color. When you when you select your preview, 79 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 4: you know they have like the I don't know, they'll 80 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 4: they'll put your your design on like a stock image 81 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 4: of a person. And Homegirl still has not gotten I 82 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 4: mean she just needs a little bit of like moose, 83 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 4: like a little like hit her with a spray bottle. 84 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 5: But I see the exactly one. 85 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 4: I'm going to update this print like it's a bad. 86 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 5: It's a bad. 87 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 2: So what would you say your experience is like using Shopify? 88 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 2: So you said it's you you, so you get to 89 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 2: kind of like build your own being. But it's so 90 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 2: it's it's customizable. But you say it takes a little 91 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 2: while to get used to. That's what you're saying, So Shopify. 92 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 4: Okay. So this woman she creates crafty things, like she 93 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 4: makes something, so I think Shopify is probably not the 94 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 4: best bet for her. I think mad Yeah, Etsy is 95 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 4: made for crafters, it's made for homemade and the other 96 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 4: thing is Shopify. I think is best if you already 97 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 4: have an audience like you, like we'll send people to 98 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 4: the site. And like Etsy, they have at least from 99 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 4: what I remember for my friend who used to sell 100 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 4: an Etsy like, they have supports and they have like 101 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 4: a platform where they will they will help you show 102 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 4: up when people are searching for certain products, like they 103 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 4: have their own audience already kind of baked in. No 104 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 4: one goes to shopify. I don't think to look for 105 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 4: mittens or scarf or whatever. It's just a different kind 106 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 4: of vibe. 107 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 5: Have you brought up Etsy before? 108 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 4: Mm hm, yeah for sure. My bye Christmas ornaments our 109 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 4: stockings are from Etsy. I got a cute little like 110 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 4: a knitted rainbow for the boys room from Etsy. Yeah, 111 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 4: I'm an Etsy Etsy girl me. 112 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 2: I was gonna say that I because she said crafted. 113 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 2: I said, oh my little Spidey Scienzers was like girl 114 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 2: at s AT. Because Mandy's point, I literally go to 115 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 2: Etsy and I will type in like, you know, gold 116 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 2: mirror or like whatever it is I'm looking for, because 117 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 2: I'm looking for crafty, cute, unique items handmade by people 118 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 2: like I had this macro made planhanger that I loved 119 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 2: so much, and someone sent me one of my most 120 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 2: precious gifts. And when Drell passed away, someone sent me 121 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 2: the most beautiful memorial times. Oh my gosh, and it 122 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 2: you put them like, well, I have them in the 123 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 2: front of my house and like the wind the wind blows, 124 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:10,599 Speaker 2: it just sounds angelic. And at first I've learned that 125 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 2: I send them, I usually like a wait a couple 126 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 2: months because it can be pretty emotional when you receive 127 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 2: them because you put them up on the first time 128 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:18,919 Speaker 2: you hear them, you just want to like, you know, 129 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 2: burst into a puddle. But then it becomes this beautiful 130 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 2: remind of your love on whenever the wind blows, you know, 131 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 2: because it literally. 132 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 5: Sounds like angelic. 133 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 2: And so it has been a gift because the gift 134 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 2: has made me feel so connected when I hear them 135 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 2: that I send it and people call me crying nine 136 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:36,679 Speaker 2: times out of ten and saying. 137 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 5: Thank you so so much. This was the best gut ever. 138 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 2: And I found the woman on Etsy Ola Wind or 139 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 2: only Wind or something like that. 140 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 5: She makes these beautiful. I want to say, like the 141 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 5: story is like. 142 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:51,280 Speaker 2: She lost the like a child and she wanted to 143 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 2: continue to stay connected. But I just say, like Etsy 144 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 2: has this kind of built in connected story and so Shopify. 145 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 2: I think of Etsy as more of an upfront store 146 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 2: and Shopify as your back end. So if you already 147 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 2: had like a platform like ground Ambition, podcaststore, dot com, Etsy, 148 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 2: I mean, Shopify is kind of like the bank behind it, but. 149 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: Etsy is more like this is the store where you 150 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: see the store window. 151 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 2: So if you have crafted products and like, you know, 152 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 2: Etsy's probably going to be your best bet. Although they 153 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 2: do say Shopify will allow you more customization, Like when 154 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 2: I go on Etsy, there's no like every store looks 155 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 2: kind of like the same, you know, so you can 156 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 2: customize more with Shopify, you know. And then definitely Etsy 157 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 2: there's higher competition because but I'll say this that, like 158 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 2: higher competition is not always a bad thing. Like if 159 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 2: you notice, like whenever you drive down one of these routes, 160 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 2: some things you see that there'll be like five different 161 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 2: car dealerships on the same strip. Because they also know 162 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 2: that competition brings more customers that like, I don't know 163 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 2: if I'm going to drive all the way an hour 164 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 2: away for to look because I just went car shopping 165 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 2: with my baby. We got a car, and I was like, 166 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 2: I don't want to go all the way, this hour 167 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 2: away for this one place that's by itself, when we 168 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 2: can go on Roek twenty two where there's like five 169 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 2: or six. 170 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 5: Car dealerships, so we could just hit him boom boom boom. 171 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 2: So Etsy, what I love is that, although there might 172 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 2: be more competition, I'm already there anyway in the shopping 173 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 2: kind of mood where I'm like, oh, there's like five 174 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 2: candle makers on here, and yes, and may be not 175 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 2: as many on Shopify, but I'm not going to Shopify 176 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 2: to look for candle makers. So all in all, I think, 177 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 2: to Mandy's point, I think Etsy is going to be 178 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 2: a better place for. 179 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 4: You, and I totally forgot that I until just now. 180 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 4: My engagement ring is from Etsy and my wedding band. 181 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, they had beautiful rings. 182 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 4: Pink sapphire moment. Yeah, I'm on Etsy right now, which 183 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:45,839 Speaker 4: means I'm very distracted and. 184 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I'm not gonna lie. 185 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 5: Etsy is a vibe, honey. 186 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:50,559 Speaker 4: It's so cute. 187 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: Everything makes you say I want to buy that. Yeah, 188 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: it's just so girl. 189 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 5: Look at us. 190 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 1: We are fangirl like. Etsy is the way to go de. 191 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 4: Ja Okay, it feels like it hasn't been overrun like 192 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 4: Amazon like a lot of the you know, it still 193 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 4: feels like you're helping a small business owner or like 194 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 4: supporting a small business, kind of like when you go 195 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 4: to a fair, a street fair or something, which is 196 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 4: probably I'm sure there's corporations that pass for little mom 197 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 4: and pop shops on Etsy, but yeah, I. 198 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:21,839 Speaker 2: Have heard the Etsy girl say that, like that's what's 199 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 2: happening more and more, but there's still some of the 200 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 2: integrity Leftso let us know how it goes to Asia, 201 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 2: you know, and also too, girls, share us your shop girls, 202 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 2: because even though me and Maye is supposed to be saving, 203 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:36,559 Speaker 2: we'll like, let's go see look at I love girl. 204 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is where I don't need to be right now. 205 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 1: So we take a break and answer a second question. 206 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 3: Sounds good, be right back, be a Sam, and we 207 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 3: are back y'all for our second career slash business question. 208 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 5: Maybe want to read it girl? 209 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 4: Yes, all right? So let's came from a listener from Instagram. 210 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 4: They say call me forty where all right? Forty Ware says, Hey, cousins, 211 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 4: I'm calling y'all my cousins because we're similar in ages. 212 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 4: I approach forty. Okay, so boom. I just recently had 213 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 4: a PIP meeting with my supervisor and hr rep angry face. 214 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 4: Although the generic we want to see you thrive here 215 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 4: statement was made, it's giving count your days because I'm 216 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 4: building a case. I acknowledged the PIP and didn't give 217 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 4: a rebuttal, I want to be careful to navigate, so 218 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 4: I don't navigate as the angry black woman because the 219 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 4: stigma is so easily attached when we advocate in spaces 220 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 4: where our voices have been minimized. I'm at a crossroads 221 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 4: because i love the company and what we stand for, 222 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 4: and I've honestly been exploring and other departments for the 223 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 4: past eight months. But because it appears they have more 224 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 4: community and culture in those departments, I was hired in 225 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,679 Speaker 4: June twenty twenty three. Unfortunately, my fear now is that 226 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,839 Speaker 4: with the scarlet letter, I may be viewed as inadequate 227 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 4: or underqualified. I'm following all the steps, but it seems 228 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 4: like I'm fighting a battle I can't win. I ran 229 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 4: out of characters. But your cousin needs your guidance. 230 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 2: Okay, cousin, Well, I'm gonna let you answer, but I 231 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 2: have some questions, right, So Mandy, what is a pip exactly? 232 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 4: Oh, I love talking about pips. I actually I think 233 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 4: we want semiviral. One time we talked about we had 234 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 4: a clip about pips from the show. But a performance 235 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 4: improvement plan is basically your company's gentle way of saying, like, 236 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 4: you won't have to get up out of here, and 237 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 4: it's called performance improvement. The intention behind it, like if 238 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:36,439 Speaker 4: you want to put on your rose colored glasses, is 239 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 4: an opportunity for you to get feedback from your employer 240 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 4: on what you can do to improve, and a like 241 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 4: an actual measurable plan for you to start to improve 242 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 4: so that you can stay at the company and continue 243 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 4: to thrive and do great things. As a manager, I 244 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 4: have issued pips, and I as a career coach now 245 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 4: I have worked with women who have been put on pips. 246 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 4: And the thing is like this whole expression of we're 247 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 4: building a case here, it honestly is a bit of that. 248 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 4: It's like, let's start a paper trail that we have 249 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 4: tried to improve this employee. We have tried to, you know, 250 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 4: invest time and resources into that, but generally the breakdown 251 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 4: happens long before the pitp happens like the breakdown wherever 252 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 4: it is either your manager is not you know, like 253 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 4: you're underperforming for a while, and it could be that 254 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 4: there's like no communication from your manager, you're not properly trained. 255 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 4: It could be it could be that you're just having 256 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 4: like some like even just an issue with your manager 257 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 4: on like a personal level and you're just not working 258 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 4: well together. And then a PIP can be used as 259 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 4: a tool to, yeah, build a case to get you 260 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 4: excuse me, and get you out. And so that's what 261 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 4: a PIP is. And yeah, it's that scary meeting you 262 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 4: have hr REP on the phone and your manager and 263 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 4: it's a document. They ask you to sign it to 264 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 4: acknowledge that you've received it. And it's like thirty sixty 265 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:02,439 Speaker 4: days typically with check in points, sometimes in ninety days 266 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 4: with check in points. And I usually say, when it 267 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 4: comes to a PIP, if you haven't already started looking elsewhere, 268 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 4: you need to start. Because she called it a scarlet letter, 269 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 4: but it's it's a bit of a stain on your reputation. 270 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 4: I mean, you're not supposed to talk about someone who's 271 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 4: on a PIP, like your manager is not supposed to 272 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 4: go out and tell other team leaders, hey, watch out 273 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 4: for so and so she's on a PIP. But it 274 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 4: can still kind of happen, for sure, and depending on 275 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 4: the size of your company, it could be more likely 276 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 4: that that word has gotten around. And I would certainly 277 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 4: think that like a manager in a different department, if 278 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 4: they heard about you being on a pip where you are, 279 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 4: might think, Okay, what's that about you? I want to 280 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,439 Speaker 4: inherit a problem question. 281 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 2: Have you ever seen because you work with women on 282 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 2: a pip, have you ever seen a pip turn around? 283 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean, I'm yes, you can turn around a PIP. 284 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 4: I also think that like a PIP does not say. 285 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:06,119 Speaker 4: A pit basically says if we don't see market improvements, 286 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 4: then we are going to be terminating your employment. So 287 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 4: as long as you hit the goals that are you know, 288 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:13,959 Speaker 4: laid out before you, then yeah, you can turn around 289 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 4: a pit. Like but at the same time, like if 290 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 4: you're already having issues, if there's not like real support, 291 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 4: if there's not like a real effort to get you 292 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 4: on task, and sometimes sometimes genuinely you need a pit 293 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 4: because like the person is just not delivering, like and 294 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 4: from the employer's perspective, like you're not doing your job well. 295 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 5: We at the end of the. 296 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 4: Day, we've tried to help you. You're turning up late, 297 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 4: you're not turning in your work on time. We're having 298 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 4: all these issues. Let's just get this done. It's a 299 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 4: way to test you and say like, are you really 300 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 4: It's like a it's a wake up call, like are 301 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 4: you gonna like get it together and show up what 302 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 4: we need you because if not, we need to move on. 303 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 4: And I think it's fair. I think it's a fair 304 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 4: thing for employers to use. But it doesn't change the 305 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 4: fact that the message to the employee that I would 306 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 4: say is like it's time that this is not maybe 307 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 4: the best fit for you. Let's either start looking elsewhere 308 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 4: at the company or like outside the company. But yeah, 309 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 4: you can for sure save it and turn it around. 310 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 4: It just becomes like I said, like you have that 311 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 4: additional spotlight on you. You're going to have to get 312 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 4: comfortable with a bit more micromanagement because your boss is 313 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 4: going to be checking in on you, and until they 314 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 4: build back that trust that you're going to be delivering, 315 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 4: it's not a fun place to be definitely. 316 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 2: But I've done this. I remember my last yeh employee 317 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 2: I want I would roll because you might be like 318 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 2: gird sane right, my last employee they had to let 319 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 2: go like this, There was some she started up amazing. 320 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 2: I mean like everyone was like, girl, whoef you got doing? 321 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 2: It is rocking. I was like, I know everybody on 322 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 2: the team. And then there was a dip and I 323 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 2: thought maybe it's me, you know, maybe it's maybe lean 324 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 2: And then it wasn't until someone on the team was like, 325 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 2: it's such such okay because the work ain't working. I 326 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 2: was like, oh, So in my head I didn't like respond. 327 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 2: I just said, oh, I'll check in, but in my 328 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 2: mind I thought, okay, it's not just me. And then 329 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 2: it came up again with another employee because typically what 330 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 2: happens is it what's more place of concern, like legitimately, 331 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 2: is she okay? Because this is someone who was literally 332 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 2: a rock star and now is missing basic things the 333 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 2: Mathea mathod and she was not new, you know, and 334 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 2: so I actually approached her and it was like, you know, 335 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 2: you are a freaking rock star. Something has shifted, And 336 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 2: I was honest. I was like, you don't got to 337 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 2: tell me your business, but if something is happening in 338 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 2: your personal life that's affecting your ability to show up, 339 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 2: because I know it's not the work, because you've done 340 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 2: this specific work with excellence, so it's not like, oh, 341 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 2: this is new, you don't know how to do it, 342 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 2: or you've been doing it to the point where I 343 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 2: get feedback about how great you are for the last 344 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 2: two years. So if I'm assuming there's some external reason 345 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 2: why you're not showing up, I even said, do you 346 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 2: need us to give you like a month sabbatical, We'll 347 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 2: pay you. Do you need breain you know, whatever it is, 348 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 2: because I said, like, because of the role that you're in, 349 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 2: it's really pivotal that you know I need you to 350 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 2: show up, and if you're not because something is happening, 351 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 2: I want to honor that and. 352 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: Give you space and grace to like take care of 353 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 1: whatever that is. 354 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 2: And she's like, no, everything's fine, And I said, okay, 355 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:12,120 Speaker 2: but here are the specific ways that you know you're 356 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:12,880 Speaker 2: not showing up. 357 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 5: And it continued and I was like, I honestly I 358 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 5: didn't know. 359 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 2: I was like, I didn't know what else to say, 360 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 2: and I said, so I gave her another three months. 361 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 2: I was like, she acknowledged, She's like I know, I 362 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 2: know I messed up here, and I know that I 363 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,199 Speaker 2: didn't do this, and I said, what do you need from? Like, 364 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 2: what is it that you're needing? Do you need support? 365 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 2: Do you needn't? I didn't know what else to do, 366 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 2: and I said, well, let's give it another three months 367 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 2: and check it again. And I mean, she damn. I mean, 368 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 2: and here's the thing. Maybe she just checked out. 369 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:38,640 Speaker 1: I didn't want to do the job anymore. 370 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 2: And I was just like, well, you know, this is 371 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 2: now six going on seven months of just honestly, it's 372 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 2: just declining even more. And as I mentioned, because she's like, 373 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 2: I totally understand. So maybe she just didn't want to 374 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 2: do the job, but I didn't want to quit, you 375 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:54,679 Speaker 2: know how like sometimes boyfriends, Yeah, yeah, of course they 376 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 2: like to get paid, yes, and then so maybe until 377 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 2: now and that's okay. But I so I'm really like, oh, 378 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 2: I've done a pit before, but I just didn't know 379 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 2: that's what it was called. And so she wasn't angry. 380 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:07,360 Speaker 2: She thanked me so much. It's been such a great 381 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 2: and wonderful place to work. Maybe she found another job. 382 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 2: I don't know, but it was the first time that 383 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:15,439 Speaker 2: I felt really good about the process, because I had 384 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 2: given somebody almost seven months to kind of make this 385 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 2: transition and it didn't. And she wasn't surprised. I wasn't surprised. 386 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 2: The lines of communication were open, but to your point, 387 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 2: nothing had turned. If anything, it just got worse. And 388 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,679 Speaker 2: you know, I don't know, I'm hoping she's doing well somewhere, 389 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 2: but yeah, so. 390 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:35,120 Speaker 4: I could see your surprise. You got a pip like 391 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 4: there was something. There's a bigger issue. Yeah, congress communications, and. 392 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 5: I made that mistake before. 393 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: People were like, what the hell I. 394 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 2: Used to me not confrontational tivity, but that makes it 395 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 2: so much more. You know, it was a girl. You know, 396 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 2: I was the worst at communication. I should be like 397 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 2: everything's fine, everything's fine, until it was like, it's not fine. 398 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 2: So I was really proud of myself because this was 399 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 2: like the first time, I'm the first time that it 400 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 2: was like girl, it wasn't. 401 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 1: She was a shock. She basic was like it's it's over. 402 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 1: It's almost like, oh, you're right, you right, you buy you. 403 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 4: I ain't got to go home, but you do got 404 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:13,679 Speaker 4: to get on a bet of here. 405 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:14,399 Speaker 2: What we do. 406 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 5: Wish you well? 407 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 4: And you know, I think it's great that you're looking 408 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 4: at other roles at your company, you know, and I 409 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 4: think you can only move with your best foot forward. 410 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 4: So I would say, like, go ahead and start looking 411 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 4: at those other teams, and like be transparent, like this 412 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,360 Speaker 4: is not the right fit, so here's why, and show 413 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 4: them that you're willing to understand where you have fallen 414 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,640 Speaker 4: short and how you're sure that in this other other 415 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 4: team like you will be able to thrive. And hopefully 416 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 4: you have an ally and they'll give you a shot. 417 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 4: That could be the best case solution for both people. 418 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:50,239 Speaker 4: Company keeps an engaged employee, your boss gets to have 419 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:52,439 Speaker 4: someone else that they can work better with, you know, 420 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 4: but she will forty ware forty thanks, be a fam 421 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 4: don't forget. 422 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, we would like you even more 423 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: if they would leave, would. 424 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 4: You please do? And we're almost at two hundred, not 425 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 4: that numbers matter, but we're almost at twenty six hundred reviews. 426 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 1: Wait, two six hundred. 427 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 4: Two thousand, All right, fine, I might have rounded up 428 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 4: twenty five hundred and twenty nine, but that is a lot. 429 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 3: More. 430 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:33,159 Speaker 4: If you have commented on our Instagram post but have 431 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 4: not left us a review, then this is your opportunity 432 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 4: to pay it forward just a little bit, okay, like 433 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,239 Speaker 4: Bury twenty one ninety nine, who says, by far my 434 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 4: favorite cop podcast. I love being able to navigate my 435 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 4: twenties with great advice. I was able to switch jobs 436 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 4: and negotiate a salary twenty thousand dollars more than what 437 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,439 Speaker 4: I was making. Being able to do that as a 438 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 4: twenty three year old black girl was a huge boost 439 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,239 Speaker 4: to my confidence. I don't think I would have been 440 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 4: able to do that without the guidance I've received simply 441 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 4: by listening to this podcast. 442 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: Love that I want to start money. I'm just joking. 443 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 4: And then Anique Hugh says, one of the best finance 444 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 4: and career advice podcasts out there, also super funny and entertaining. 445 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:16,880 Speaker 4: I love these two ladies. 446 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 2: I know, don't even start made because I got to 447 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 2: tell I was like, I see your face and I'm 448 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 2: feeling so listen. 449 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 5: We'll see what the review is. 450 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 4: I get your reviews in how we'll tipically you can 451 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 4: always update them later. 452 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 2: Now, first of all, if our last viral clip shows anything, 453 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,120 Speaker 2: the girls is girly for you, Okay. 454 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, oh, anyway, thanks, be a fam We'll see 455 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 4: you Monday, Wednesday, Friday. 456 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,159 Speaker 2: Yea, some of y'all will see you at the light. 457 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 2: Oh well, this is actually gonna be after the live show. Yeah, 458 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 2: we were taping before, but by now we'll have that 459 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 2: in our live show. And I've been hugging up on you. 460 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:54,360 Speaker 2: So check out IG because we'll be posting yeah photos 461 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 2: and stuff like that. 462 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 4: So and you can tune into that episode at some 463 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 4: point in the future. I don't know why. Yes, the 464 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 4: next week or two. It'll be fine. You'll be fine 465 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 4: five years. 466 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 1: Bye bye,