WEBVTT - Ingrid Goes West 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:04.600 On the Bechdelcast, the questions asked if movies have women 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:07.960 in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, 0:00:08.039 --> 0:00:13.120 or do they have individualism? It's the patriarchy zefphnvest start 0:00:13.200 --> 0:00:16.000 changing it with the Bechdel Cast. 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:23.640 Podcasting It's a way of life. Hashtag living, hashtag blessed. 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:25.840 Hashtag podcast life. 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:28.560 Oh this is me posting a screenshot of our zoom 0:00:28.600 --> 0:00:33.760 call right now. Podcast co hosts were like siblings hashtag 0:00:34.000 --> 0:00:35.080 podcast life. 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:39.240 Wow beautiful hashtag sisters. 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:41.599 We are hashtag sisters. Oh my god. 0:00:42.200 --> 0:00:46.559 Anyway, hello and welcome hi to the Bechdel Cast. My 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:47.720 name is Caitlin Daronte. 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:50.000 We're definitely not going to kill each other. No, my 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:54.040 name's Jamie Loftus, and this is our podcast where we 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:56.960 take a look at your favorite movies using an intersectional 0:00:56.960 --> 0:01:00.240 feminist lens, using the Bechdel Test as a jumping off 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:01.200 point for discussion. 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:07.600 But Caitlin, my sister. Hashtag sisters, podcast sister. What is 0:01:07.640 --> 0:01:12.160 the hashtag Bechdel Test? Oh my gosh, hashtag cinema hashtag discourse. 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:18.120 The hashtag Bechdel Test is a hashtag media metric created 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:22.360 by at Ilison Bechdel. Actually I don't know if that's 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:24.640 her handle or not off the top of my head, 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:28.959 but anyway, it is a media metric that requires our 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:33.640 version that two characters of a marginalized gender have names, 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:37.360 they speak to each other, and their conversation is about 0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:42.160 something other than a man. And ideally, for our sake, 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:47.039 we like it when it's a narratively substantial conversation and 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:49.360 not like throwaway dialogue. 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:52.440 And today we are covering a movie that we got 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:54.240 a lot of requests for when it first came out, 0:01:54.720 --> 0:01:58.760 and we said no, But now we're saying yes. And 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:05.480 here's why I am starting a podcast hashtag Brave whoa 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:11.200 hashtag another podcast, another hashtag podcast. It started releasing on 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:15.000 May seventh, and it's a weekly show where I profile 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:18.440 a character of the day on the Internet. So think 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:21.880 for the first couple of episodes, we're talking about Antoine Donson, 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:25.600 we're talking about the dress, We're talking about the Boston 0:02:25.760 --> 0:02:29.640 slide cop who slip slapped, flip flopped down the damn slide. 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:33.799 So it is a half reported, half interview show where 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:35.359 each week we take a look at not just the 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:39.639 character and what happened and why they were so notorious, 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:43.760 but also getting into internet history, why did the algorithm 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:46.720 serve you this person at this time, and a little 0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:49.560 bit of like a look or an attempt at a 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:53.800 look into why did this person suddenly enter your life 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:56.480 to try to upset you on social media even if 0:02:56.520 --> 0:03:01.000 they didn't usually completely unintentionally. So yeah, it's a little 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:04.320 internet history show. I'm really really excited about it. It's 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:07.680 also produced by Sophie Lichterman. We've been cooking on it 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:11.040 for a while and it started to come out. I'm 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:14.640 really excited. Yay me too, Thank you. The trailer has 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:19.440 dropped in our feet already. But if you haven't subscribed, 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:25.120 hashtag subscribe, hashtag like and subscribe, I'll say it. Hashtag 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:31.160 like and subscribe and follow me on Instagram for weekly 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:36.440 updates about the new episodes. And so we wanted to 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:39.200 put together an episode that would sort of jive with 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:42.960 the idea of the show about being extremely online. And 0:03:43.760 --> 0:03:46.720 there are not as many movies about this as I 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:50.720 thought there were, I'll be honest. So this was certainly 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:53.000 the movie we've gotten the most requests for that is 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:56.040 about the Internet. There's a few others. A lot of 0:03:56.080 --> 0:03:59.040 them are like do you remember that documentary that came 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:02.560 out on Netflix in it might have been twenty twenty 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:06.640 scary that was called like the Social Dilemma. I remember that. 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:09.480 As I didn't watch all of it. I started it 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:12.440 and then I was like, I don't feel good about this. 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:16.159 It was so corny. I feel like there's like always 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:19.520 sort of this overly simplistic message with movies like this 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:24.200 where they're like phone bad and person who use phone 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:27.359 bad as well, and you're like, so, anyways, there's like 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:30.480 some documentaries about it. There's a movie I haven't seen 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:32.960 called Not Okay that came out a couple of years 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:36.120 that also touches on this theme, but we had not 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:39.039 seen it and we got a request for it. So 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:42.320 we are covering today a movie that it was really 0:04:42.600 --> 0:04:46.279 interesting to revisit for me, Ingrid Goes West, which came 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:52.520 out in twenty seventeen. Aubrey Plaza and Elizabeth Olsen both 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:57.719 firing on all cylinders. Yes, Caitlyn, what's your history with 0:04:58.000 --> 0:04:59.560 Ingrid Goes West twenty seventeen. 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:03.240 I didn't see it in theaters, but I saw it 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:10.400 within a year of it coming out, and I will 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:13.839 say that and this is just a kind of personal 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:18.479 taste sort of thing. But I tend to really struggle 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:24.880 with movies where every single character is unlikable and just 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:28.080 like you're cringing at them the whole time. And I 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:30.760 know that that's the point of this movie, and we'll 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:33.320 talk a lot more about it, and I think there 0:05:33.360 --> 0:05:37.520 is some interesting commentary on social media and its effects 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:41.279 from this movie. But it's such a stressful movie for 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:42.280 me to watch. 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:47.440 It's so like it's like a thriller, Like, yeah, truly, 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:49.880 I think it is. Like when the movie ended, I 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:53.080 felt like I didn't realize how tight my chest had gotten. 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:55.680 Uh huh, Which, even though I don't love everything about 0:05:55.680 --> 0:05:57.600 this movie, I was like, well, I guess it was 0:05:57.640 --> 0:06:00.680 effective in making my body hurt, like WHI is wild. 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:05.200 Yeah, to the point where I watch every movie at 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:08.560 least twice to prep for every episode we do. And 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:10.320 after my first watch of this, I was like, I 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:13.880 don't think I can watch this again. I'm too stressed out. 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:18.680 But I did anyway, So you're welcome, listeners. Brave hashtag 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:22.680 brave hashtag's so brave. But yeah, it's a very stressful 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:27.120 movie for me, So I didn't revisit it after seeing 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:29.600 it that first time, back in either twenty seventeen or 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:31.720 twenty eighteen, even though I think it has like good 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:35.280 performances and you know, it's a good script and things 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:40.440 like that. But yeah, too stressful. But prepping for this 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:44.600 episode was interesting and I'm excited to talk about it too. 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:47.560 What is your relationship with the movie. 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:51.240 I saw this when it came out ish, same deal 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:53.920 within a year. I don't think I saw it in theaters, 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:57.839 but I am an Aubrey Plaza fan. She was like 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:02.479 working a lot during this time. But I wanted to 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:04.039 see it because I was like, oh, I've never seen 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:07.040 a movie about this before, and I feel like it 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:10.320 is kind of doing a talented mister Ripley thing but 0:07:10.560 --> 0:07:13.080 for the internet, you know. I was like, Okay, this 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:15.840 is a cool concept. But I really didn't like it 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:18.800 the first time I saw it, and as I was watching, 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:23.760 I was trying to remember exactly why. And I do 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:27.160 think there's still things I don't like about this movie, 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:29.720 and there are still things that feel very like, yeah, 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:34.760 two men wrote this movie, for sure, But I liked it. 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:36.320 But when I say I liked, I mean it's like 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:38.920 hard to enjoy this movie because it is trying to 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:42.240 give you a panic attack in the same way that 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:45.040 I feel like Uncut Gems is trying to give you 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:48.360 a panic attack. Yes, yes, which you know means that 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:50.000 they're doing what they're supposed to be doing, and you know, 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:52.080 the whole time, I was like, I remember what happens 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:56.200 with Ingrid, but I'm so scared for literally everyone on 0:07:56.280 --> 0:07:57.520 screen at all times. 0:07:57.720 --> 0:07:58.000 Right. 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:01.400 But I liked it more this time, and I feel 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:06.080 like this movie is aging in an interesting way. I 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:09.680 feel like at the time, outside of the criticism that 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:12.240 I think is still valid of like la la la, 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:16.560 women are so petty. On the revisit, I like the 0:08:16.560 --> 0:08:21.240 script more. Everyone in this movie is petty to some degree, 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:23.560 and I think I hyper focused on that at the 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:28.760 time and it makes me feel like old. But I 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:30.840 think that at the time I saw this, I was like, 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:35.520 this is so cynical about the Internet, and I think 0:08:35.559 --> 0:08:42.280 I just had more faith in the Internet when I 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:45.600 saw this movie for the first time than I do now, 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:47.720 Like I think that that was a big thing. I 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:50.480 was like, yeah, of course everyone is lying on social media. 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:52.400 It was true then, it was true. Now It's not 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:54.360 like I didn't know that, but I just felt like 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:58.760 I still felt some kind of optimism about the Internet 0:08:58.840 --> 0:09:01.440 that I no longer feel. So I think that the 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:05.160 story just in general kind of worked better for me 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:09.680 this time. Yeah, but yeah, it's a tricky little movie. 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:13.680 I uh sure is. I really enjoyed writing for this, 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:17.000 especially like, yeah, because I've been spending the last couple 0:09:17.080 --> 0:09:19.719 of months thinking about, you know, like what makes an 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:23.520 Internet character of the day, how do these conversations online go. 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:28.000 I was going back to like letterbox reviews at the time, 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:31.960 and I was not alone in thinking that this movie 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:37.960 was like maybe dismissive towards millennials in general, of like, oh, 0:09:38.160 --> 0:09:40.880 a lot of the reviews I was seeing from people 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:43.280 I know people I didn't know were like, we get it, 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:47.320 phone bad, too much Instagram blah blah blah. But it 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:50.360 felt easier to brush off then. And maybe that's just 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:55.080 because social media has gotten so much worse since twenty seventeen, 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:59.040 and this movie has obviously a very uncharitable opinion of 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:02.960 social media. I feel like people I know who didn't 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:05.240 like this or like rolled their eyes at it at 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:10.199 the time might like it better now. I think, I 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:13.160 don't know, Yeah, yeah, I would be curious because I 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:15.080 don't think that. I mean, it wasn't a popular enough 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:18.440 movie that I don't think anyone has really revisited it. 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:21.920 But it's weirdly like one of the only movies of 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:24.800 this genre at least that I've seen. 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:31.280 Same. Yeah, it's quite unlike most things. Yeah, I said 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:33.520 brilliantly hashtag brilliant. 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:38.559 Hashtag genius. I also think I didn't know who Whyatt 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:41.000 Russell was the last time I saw this movie. I 0:10:41.040 --> 0:10:42.720 think the main thing this movie did for me at 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:45.680 the time is made me a fan of Oh Jackson Junior. 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:48.480 Yes, I think this was also the first thing I 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:50.240 saw him. And I can't remember if I saw when 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:52.040 did Straight Out of Compton come out? 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:54.160 That came out in twenty fifteen. 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:57.480 Okay, so maybe I had already seen him in that. 0:10:57.880 --> 0:10:59.559 I had seen him in that, But that movie is 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:02.000 just like what isn't very good? Yeah, I love f 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:04.440 Gary Gray, but I've liked them. I don't think anyone 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:08.400 thought that movie was very good. In any case, this movie, 0:11:08.480 --> 0:11:11.439 I just wanted to shout out and oops, all nepotism 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:15.000 cast with You've got Osha Jackson Junior. 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:18.720 Yeah, an ice cube, you've. 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:23.520 Got Elizabeth Olsen the older younger ooh, younger sister, I 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:25.040 think of the Olsen twins. 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:26.600 I don't know. 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:30.840 Yes, she's younger, younger, she's born in nineteen eighty nine. Wow, 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:34.440 she is younger than I thought. And then Wyatt Russell, 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:38.440 who's double NEPO Kurt Russell and Goldie Hans. 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:40.959 Oh, I did not realize that. 0:11:41.720 --> 0:11:47.560 Yeah, so this is majority NEPO cast. No judgment. I'm 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:50.360 just saying it's funny. And I don't think I knew 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:52.720 that at the time. I knew who Osha Jackson Junior was. 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:56.199 I don't really care about Marvel movies, so this might 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:58.320 have been the first movie I saw Elizabeth Olsen in 0:11:58.400 --> 0:11:58.760 as well. 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:04.240 Well. Other her Marvel connection is the actor who plays 0:12:04.280 --> 0:12:08.360 Harley Chung. Her name is Tom Clement type it is 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:11.080 maybe how you U say it. She plays Mantis in 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:14.040 We'll see in the Other. 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:19.199 Yeah, boy does she I did not connect that at all. Wow. 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:21.480 So we've got a lot of Marvel, We've got a 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:24.680 lot of NEPO. We've also got Billy Magnuson, who I 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:28.280 think is neither but I like him. But boy, is 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:31.600 his character a piece of shit? I was like, horrible, 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:36.359 sort of rooting for Ingrid to finish him off. But yeah, anyways, 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:38.480 the movie. The movie. 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:40.720 Well, let's take a quick break and we'll come back 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:41.679 to recap. 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:53.920 And we're back, all right. 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:58.240 So here's the recap. I will place a content warning 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:03.920 at the top here for suicide. We meet Ingrid Sorburne 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:09.120 played by Abby Plaza. She is crying and scrolling through 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:14.079 Instagram photos of a wedding of someone named Charlotte. Then 0:13:14.120 --> 0:13:17.000 we get the reveal that Ingrid is at the wedding, 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:21.880 crashing it, and she walks up to the bride, Charlotte, 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:25.319 and Pepper sprays her and says like, thanks for inviting me, 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:28.960 you fucking kunt, which does pass the Bechdel test. 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:34.199 I thought that too, yay, okay. 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:38.480 So then we see Ingrid in a psychiatric hospital and 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:43.320 she's still attempting to contact Charlotte via a letter I think, 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:47.600 in which we learn that Ingrid's mom has recently passed away. 0:13:48.240 --> 0:13:51.760 Then Ingrid is released from the hospital and we see 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:58.840 her continue to obsessively scroll through Instagram. Then she sees 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:03.240 a magazine article about someone named Taylor Sloan played by 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:08.160 Elizabeth Olsen. Taylor is an influencer with over two hundred 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:12.200 and fifty thousand followers on Instagram. She lives in LA 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:16.880 She's very attractive, she has cute stuff, and she posts 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:22.440 photos of her life on Instagram, of her clothes, her meals, 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:27.640 her husband, her dog. You know, typical influencer stuff. 0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:32.320 I remember vaguely, and listeners, let us know if you 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:36.480 agree that it felt a little dated even in twenty seventeen. 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:39.720 I feel like it's like sort of like early early Instagram, 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:43.520 where it's like heavy on the filters, a lot of food, 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:46.520 a lot of hashtags, and like even by twenty seventeen 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:48.560 that wasn't really happening, but it did feel like going 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:52.000 in like a little social media spaceship into the past, 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:56.640 because people don't really do that now. They're like conspiracy 0:14:56.680 --> 0:15:00.840 theorists or podcasters or both or both. 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:03.800 I can't super speak to it because I've never been 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:06.840 very active on Instagram and I only started using it 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:10.320 around the time this movie came out. What if this 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:13.160 movie inspired me to start on Instagram. 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:16.280 I think I started using it like in Earnest in 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:20.440 like twenty fifteen. Okay, but even that was like a 0:15:20.480 --> 0:15:25.600 little bit after. I feel like this peak kind of influencer, 0:15:25.960 --> 0:15:26.760 but it's interesting. 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:29.920 Yeah, it is interesting. Yeah, I was not, and I'm 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:34.280 still not a big user of the platform, and mostly 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:39.360 I just use it to get news and look at 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:44.360 cat videos. So those are my influencers. 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:46.200 I mean same. 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:51.440 Okay. So Ingrid is reading about Taylor Sloan and scrolling 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:56.120 through her Instagram and she is mesmerized by what she sees, 0:15:56.240 --> 0:16:02.440 you know, this glamorous southern California life. And Ingrid comments 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:06.080 on a post of Taylor's which is a photo of 0:16:06.720 --> 0:16:08.000 avocado toast. 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:13.560 Hashtag millennials, that's how our generation ruined the economy. I 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:15.200 loved that storyline. 0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:19.840 That's why we aren't paying back our student loans because 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:23.000 we're spending all of our money on avocado toast. 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:28.000 Yeah damn, We're so messy anyways. 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:30.560 Right, So then Ingrid is out getting groceries and she 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:36.000 overhears one of Charlotte's friends talking about Ingrid saying that 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:40.400 she and Charlotte weren't even friends. That Ingrid basically instagram 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:46.600 stocked Charlotte and we're like, hmm, that's interesting. And Ingrid 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:51.200 is crying about this, But then she sees that Taylor 0:16:51.320 --> 0:16:55.680 has responded to her comment, recommending that she try out 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:59.440 a particular restaurant the next time she's in LA, and 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:04.840 Ingrid is thrilled, and this seems to prompt Ingrid to 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:10.119 move to LA, especially after she receives somewhere around a 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:15.040 like sixty thousand dollars inheritance or like life insurance payout 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:18.359 or something of that nature after her mom passed away. 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:23.240 So she arrives in LA and rents an apartment from 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:28.480 Dan Pinto played by oh Jackson Jr. He is an 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:35.440 aspiring screenwriter who is obsessed with Batman. Hilarious Yeah, I mean, great. 0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:39.720 Character and also oh my god, like again just another 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:46.680 anxiety inducing person. Yes, like aspiring screenwriter slash landlord as 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:49.800 such a stressful m description. 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:54.280 The thing though about all of these characters is they 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:58.200 are not even really caricatures of a lot of LA people. 0:17:58.560 --> 0:18:02.040 Like everyone in this I'm like, yeah, I've encountered someone 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:04.160 pretty much exactly like that here in La. 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:04.760 Yeah. 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:10.240 So so there's that anyway. So Ingrid is now living 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:13.600 in LA and she starts going to the shops and 0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:17.919 restaurants and salons that Taylor posts about on social media. 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:21.840 She reads the same books as Taylor, she buys the 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:24.360 same stuff. All of that I like that. 0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:28.119 Taylor is so us in the sense that she lies 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:29.760 about reading books. 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:31.440 Yeah. 0:18:31.480 --> 0:18:33.800 I was like, Oh, we're supposed to be mad about 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:35.240 that she's busy. 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:38.520 Yeah, we find out that she's never She claims that 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:41.600 The Deer Park is her favorite book, and then we 0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:43.840 find out she's never read it, and we're like. 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:46.840 Wow, oh well, oh well, we. 0:18:46.760 --> 0:18:50.760 Don't read books either, Taylor. It's okay. So then one 0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:55.159 day Ingrid bumps into Taylor at a store, and Ingrid 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:57.679 is trying to act cool but also like trying to 0:18:57.720 --> 0:19:01.440 get Taylor to notice her, and Taylor definitely does notice her, 0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:05.120 but it's because Ingrid is not acting cool. She's being 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:10.560 very awkward. She almost like absent mindedly shoplifts, you know, 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:11.560 stuff like that. 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:16.600 She's doing Aubrey Plaza. This is what Aubrey Plaza characters 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:20.560 do at this time, and I'm still kind of yeah. 0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:25.560 So then Ingrid stalks Taylor to her house and stays 0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:29.159 there all day, and then when Taylor leaves to go 0:19:29.240 --> 0:19:33.679 out that night, Ingrid kidnaps her dog so that she 0:19:33.760 --> 0:19:37.160 can return the dog to Taylor and seem like a hero, 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:42.320 which works. Taylor and her husband, Ezra played by Wyatt 0:19:42.400 --> 0:19:45.879 Russell are so grateful and they're like, oh my gosh, 0:19:46.000 --> 0:19:49.800 let us make you dinner. So Ingrid stays for dinner. 0:19:50.240 --> 0:19:53.320 They're having a nice time, and Ingrid does whatever she 0:19:53.400 --> 0:19:57.400 can to endear herself to them. She buys a piece 0:19:57.480 --> 0:20:02.280 of Ezra's art, which is ugly. 0:20:03.119 --> 0:20:04.720 She it's bad. 0:20:05.320 --> 0:20:05.960 It's not good. 0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:08.199 If we can't say that men's art is bad on 0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:12.280 this show, why do we even start it? Yeah, this 0:20:12.400 --> 0:20:15.800 is where she goes full mister Ripley mode, because even 0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:20.760 though she's socially awkward, she's really great at intuiting. Although 0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:22.439 at some point I will say, I mean, it's just 0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:26.040 it's not a feminist criticism of the movie. But at 0:20:26.080 --> 0:20:28.320 some point during the middle of this movie, I'm like, 0:20:29.720 --> 0:20:32.840 would she continue to get away with this? Like, if 0:20:32.880 --> 0:20:35.199 I'm Elizabeth Olsen, once I see that she has a 0:20:35.240 --> 0:20:37.880 gun with her, I'm like, I'm gonna get out of here. 0:20:38.320 --> 0:20:40.800 I'm gonna leave, you would think yeah. 0:20:40.840 --> 0:20:44.760 But anyways, she's ripleying. She's working on another level. 0:20:44.680 --> 0:20:49.040 Because she also offers to haul their trailer to the 0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:51.879 house they have in Joshua Tree because they need someone 0:20:52.080 --> 0:20:55.679 with a truck. Only Ingrid doesn't have a truck, but 0:20:55.800 --> 0:21:01.359 her landlord Dan Pinto does so she asks to borrow 0:21:01.400 --> 0:21:04.000 it and he is reluctant, but he also has a 0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:08.119 crush on her and agrees to lend Ingrid the truck 0:21:08.200 --> 0:21:12.040 if she plays Catwoman in an upcoming table read for 0:21:12.160 --> 0:21:15.360 his unauthorized Batman screenplay. 0:21:15.760 --> 0:21:22.320 They are so stressful, as like, she does him dirty 0:21:22.359 --> 0:21:26.040 time and time again. She's the worst, But it is 0:21:26.160 --> 0:21:29.120 also so mean to ask someone to do a Batman 0:21:29.200 --> 0:21:30.639 table read with you. 0:21:31.720 --> 0:21:35.600 True, although I was kind of taking inventory of all 0:21:35.640 --> 0:21:38.199 of the characters, and then I was trying to think, like, 0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:41.840 of these people, if I had to be friends with 0:21:41.880 --> 0:21:44.119 one of them, Oh, who would it be? And it 0:21:44.160 --> 0:21:47.040 would be him and we would just talk about Batman. 0:21:47.240 --> 0:21:48.840 I guess it would be him. 0:21:48.880 --> 0:21:51.680 Yeah, you would see him like once every three months 0:21:52.680 --> 0:21:54.760 and be kind of exhausted at the end of the hang, 0:21:54.960 --> 0:21:58.240 but be like he's a nice guy. Whatever. Yeah, I 0:21:58.320 --> 0:22:00.959 wish it wasn't a landlord, but times are tough. I 0:22:01.000 --> 0:22:03.600 guess it's like, yeah. 0:22:03.040 --> 0:22:07.600 Well, he's not selling his illegal Batman scripts that he's writing, 0:22:07.880 --> 0:22:09.680 so he's got to make money somehow. 0:22:10.000 --> 0:22:16.040 It's true. God, landlords with dreams. 0:22:14.520 --> 0:22:19.639 Gross anyway, So Ingrid gets the truck and takes Taylor 0:22:19.760 --> 0:22:22.920 and her trailer, which I think should be the name 0:22:23.000 --> 0:22:25.399 of a hashtag podcast. 0:22:24.920 --> 0:22:29.719 Maybe a Taylor's Swift the podcast. 0:22:31.840 --> 0:22:35.440 She takes them to Joshua Tree, except that she pretends 0:22:35.440 --> 0:22:40.440 it's her truck slash that she's borrowing it from her 0:22:40.520 --> 0:22:44.320 boyfriend Dan. She makes up a story about how Dan 0:22:44.440 --> 0:22:45.560 is actually her boyfriend. 0:22:46.240 --> 0:22:48.320 I do like this is just like something I think 0:22:48.400 --> 0:22:51.080 is fun in movies where for no reason at all, 0:22:51.160 --> 0:22:53.840 a character is almost always referred to as their full name, 0:22:54.440 --> 0:22:58.040 And like Dan Pinto, just like it just trips off 0:22:58.080 --> 0:23:01.040 the tongue, and people just love to say. They don't 0:23:01.080 --> 0:23:03.439 want to just say Dan, They want to say Dan Pinto. 0:23:04.200 --> 0:23:07.600 Dan is not enough syllables. You need the whole thing, 0:23:07.720 --> 0:23:08.959 Dan Pinto's true. 0:23:09.040 --> 0:23:12.320 You need to keep the momentum going exactly. He doesn't 0:23:12.359 --> 0:23:14.000 seem bothered by it, so. 0:23:14.440 --> 0:23:18.480 Whatever, Yeah, okay. So on the way to Joshua Tree, 0:23:18.960 --> 0:23:21.960 Taylor is like, oh my god, Ingrid, you're so funny. 0:23:22.000 --> 0:23:25.320 I love you. You're my favorite person. Let's take pictures together. 0:23:26.080 --> 0:23:31.560 And obviously Ingrid is loving this, and Ingrid bails on 0:23:32.119 --> 0:23:36.920 Dan Pinto's Batman script. Table read in favor of spending 0:23:36.920 --> 0:23:41.600 more time with Taylor. They do cocaine, they go out dancing, 0:23:41.920 --> 0:23:47.600 they're bonding, and on the way to the Joshua Tree house, 0:23:48.560 --> 0:23:53.760 Ingrid fucks up Dan's truck because they're so distracted by singing. 0:23:53.960 --> 0:23:57.919 Casey and JoJo's all my life to each other, and 0:23:58.000 --> 0:24:01.359 so the truck is all fucked up, and Taylor's like, 0:24:01.400 --> 0:24:05.520 don't even worry about it. Everything's gonna be fine. And 0:24:05.560 --> 0:24:09.679 then Taylor tells Ingrid a secret that she plans to 0:24:09.680 --> 0:24:12.680 buy the house next door in Joshua Tree and open 0:24:12.800 --> 0:24:17.639 up a boutique hotel where everything inside is for sale, 0:24:18.680 --> 0:24:23.240 which sounds I hate it, but yeah, well no, it 0:24:23.400 --> 0:24:24.480 sounds horrible. 0:24:24.640 --> 0:24:28.119 Horrible, I mean horrible. Yeah, that's like something that changed 0:24:28.160 --> 0:24:30.879 between my first view the first time I saw this 0:24:30.920 --> 0:24:33.359 movie and now you're like, oh, everyone in this movie 0:24:34.160 --> 0:24:38.640 is horrible. Yes, because maybe I felt like the writing 0:24:38.800 --> 0:24:43.119 was on the side of her, her husband, but on 0:24:43.160 --> 0:24:45.280 a rewatch, I actually think this movie is on the 0:24:45.359 --> 0:24:49.080 side of nobody. It's a pretty cynical. Yeah, like everyone 0:24:49.200 --> 0:24:55.119 sucks Her idea for an influencer hotel is horrible. Truly, 0:24:55.160 --> 0:24:58.280 it's gross, but I'm sure it would have worked. I 0:24:58.320 --> 0:25:01.199 mean for sure. I mean like that feels very like 0:25:02.040 --> 0:25:05.679 Joshua Tree gentrification vibes, you know, for sure. 0:25:05.960 --> 0:25:09.600 Yeah, and Ingrid is like, oh my god, it's the 0:25:09.640 --> 0:25:14.719 best idea of ever Taylor. And Taylor doesn't want her 0:25:14.760 --> 0:25:18.880 husband Ezra to know about this because of financial reasons, 0:25:19.480 --> 0:25:22.200 so now they have this little secret. The next day, 0:25:22.320 --> 0:25:26.000 they return to La and Ingrid drops off Dan's truck. 0:25:26.240 --> 0:25:29.160 He's furious at her for bailing on the table read 0:25:29.240 --> 0:25:32.080 and leaving this huge scratch on the truck. 0:25:32.640 --> 0:25:35.000 This is the point where you're just like, does she 0:25:35.160 --> 0:25:38.280 really get out of this scrap in real life? But 0:25:38.400 --> 0:25:43.479 I guess I never underestimate a horny straight guy, Like 0:25:43.680 --> 0:25:44.800 maybe I don't know. 0:25:44.840 --> 0:25:47.879 Right, it causes like he says, eight thousand dollars of 0:25:47.920 --> 0:25:52.000 damage to his truck, and he forgives her because she's like, 0:25:52.119 --> 0:25:54.840 let's go on a date and he's like, Okay, I 0:25:54.920 --> 0:25:56.320 like you and I want to have sex with you. 0:25:57.359 --> 0:25:58.960 So dude's rock. 0:25:59.520 --> 0:26:02.080 But he's like yelling at her in this scene, but 0:26:02.160 --> 0:26:05.359 she doesn't even freaking care because she has just gotten 0:26:05.400 --> 0:26:10.000 a notification that Taylor tagged her in a photo on Instagram. 0:26:10.440 --> 0:26:14.639 So Ingrid is on cloud nine and she keeps hanging 0:26:14.680 --> 0:26:18.360 out with Taylor. She's spending a lot of her money 0:26:18.480 --> 0:26:24.399 on clothes and home decorps to impress Taylor. Then Ingrid 0:26:24.560 --> 0:26:29.760 meets Taylor's brother, Nicki played by Billy Magnuson, who comes 0:26:29.800 --> 0:26:33.159 to La for a visit, and Ingrid is jealous that 0:26:33.200 --> 0:26:37.080 he's commanding a lot of Taylor's attention, especially when Taylor 0:26:37.160 --> 0:26:40.200 bails on plans that she and Ingrid have to hang 0:26:40.240 --> 0:26:44.320 out in order to go to a party with Nicki 0:26:44.560 --> 0:26:50.240 and this fashion influencer Harley Chung played by Palm clement Tyfe. 0:26:50.800 --> 0:26:54.679 Ingrid tries to go to this event but then like 0:26:54.760 --> 0:26:57.920 can't get into the VIP area and they're like, ooh, 0:26:58.040 --> 0:27:00.520 sorry about that, but hey, why don't you come to 0:27:01.160 --> 0:27:05.600 a pool party this weekend that Harley is throwing and 0:27:05.640 --> 0:27:10.959 bring your boyfriend Dan because they were joking behind Ingrid's 0:27:11.000 --> 0:27:13.320 back that her boyfriend is imaginary. 0:27:13.680 --> 0:27:17.639 Oh god, one of the many scenes that oh, like 0:27:17.720 --> 0:27:20.280 just made my chest tighten. I can't write like that 0:27:20.400 --> 0:27:22.520 to like find a moment like that where it's like 0:27:23.359 --> 0:27:26.320 Taylor is caught in a lie being like, oh, I 0:27:26.359 --> 0:27:30.280 didn't say your boyfriend doesn't exist, and like, Ingrid knows 0:27:30.320 --> 0:27:32.560 people are talking shit around her back, but she's just like, 0:27:33.440 --> 0:27:36.440 I gotta make it through this interaction. And you're like, oh, 0:27:36.920 --> 0:27:39.239 it's just so painful. 0:27:39.000 --> 0:27:43.680 It is, and they're not even wrong because Dan isn't 0:27:43.920 --> 0:27:44.719 her boyfriend. 0:27:45.800 --> 0:27:49.280 No, it is wild how easy it is for Ingrid 0:27:49.320 --> 0:27:52.800 to be like, you're my boyfriend. He's like totally okay, yeah, 0:27:52.960 --> 0:27:54.480 yeah right. 0:27:54.520 --> 0:27:57.000 So now Ingrid has to make amends with Dan Pinto, 0:27:57.200 --> 0:28:00.359 who is still pissed for the truck fiasco and the 0:28:00.400 --> 0:28:05.280 table read thing. But she buys him some Batman gifts 0:28:05.280 --> 0:28:08.040 and some weed, and she takes him out to dinner 0:28:08.560 --> 0:28:10.800 and it's like kind of a date and then they 0:28:10.800 --> 0:28:13.160 start making out and then they go to his place 0:28:13.200 --> 0:28:16.800 and have sex and they're doing like batman catwoman role 0:28:16.840 --> 0:28:22.040 play and he's like whoo. And she invites him to 0:28:22.040 --> 0:28:25.320 this pool party and he agrees to go. So at 0:28:25.440 --> 0:28:31.560 the pool party, Ingrid is being very unchill because she 0:28:31.720 --> 0:28:36.840 keeps feeling like Dan is embarrassing her. Dan is bonding 0:28:37.000 --> 0:28:42.040 with Nicki, who Ingrid still hates, and most importantly, it's 0:28:42.080 --> 0:28:45.880 obvious that Taylor is less enthusiastic about her friendship with 0:28:46.160 --> 0:28:50.640 Ingrid because Taylor has clearly moved on to Harley as 0:28:50.680 --> 0:28:54.600 her new like bff of the moment, and Ingrid is 0:28:54.720 --> 0:28:59.880 very jealous. So she betrays Taylor and tells Ezra about 0:29:00.080 --> 0:29:05.320 that secret they had the you know, boutique hotel idea yeah, 0:29:05.360 --> 0:29:10.240 and Ezra is like, oh, so typical because his wife 0:29:10.440 --> 0:29:17.120 has become so phony recently, not like me. He's an artist. 0:29:17.560 --> 0:29:21.160 Yeah, there's somebody interesting, like yeah, how he talks like 0:29:21.920 --> 0:29:26.880 his wife like that Taylor bullied him into being I'm like, 0:29:27.160 --> 0:29:30.959 you have agency here as raw yeah okay, yes, and 0:29:31.000 --> 0:29:33.280 he sort of resents her for being supportive. 0:29:33.680 --> 0:29:37.760 I don't know, yeah right, but he's also like pretentious 0:29:38.080 --> 0:29:42.920 and yeah he's shitty in his own way. They're the worst, yes, 0:29:43.000 --> 0:29:43.960 but in different ways. 0:29:45.000 --> 0:29:45.280 Okay. 0:29:45.280 --> 0:29:49.120 So then Ingrid can't find her phone because Nikki had 0:29:49.200 --> 0:29:52.200 swiped it, and he finds all of these photos that 0:29:52.360 --> 0:29:57.080 Ingrid took of stuff in Taylor's bathroom and photos of 0:29:57.320 --> 0:30:02.480 Taylor sleeping and no of all of Taylor's favorite things, 0:30:02.800 --> 0:30:07.000 and Nicki is like, what the fuck, you creep, and 0:30:07.560 --> 0:30:09.560 he claims to be looking out for his sister, but 0:30:09.600 --> 0:30:12.080 then he's like, I won't tell Taylor if you give 0:30:12.120 --> 0:30:15.120 me five thousand dollars a month, so he's trying to 0:30:15.160 --> 0:30:21.760 extort her, and she then pays some guy to punch 0:30:21.760 --> 0:30:25.720 her in the face so that it's more believable when 0:30:25.880 --> 0:30:31.000 Ingrid tells Dan that Nicky assaulted her, so that Dan 0:30:31.280 --> 0:30:34.920 will help her scare Nikki off because she knows that 0:30:35.040 --> 0:30:38.800 Dan has a gun, so they kidnap Nicki and drive 0:30:38.880 --> 0:30:42.160 him out to the desert. Nicki fights back, but then 0:30:42.440 --> 0:30:45.240 Ingrid hits him over the head with a crowbar or 0:30:45.240 --> 0:30:46.880 something and leaves him there. 0:30:46.920 --> 0:30:50.720 It's very like hijinksy. This movie sort of deviates into 0:30:50.800 --> 0:30:52.719 hijinks occasionally. 0:30:52.320 --> 0:30:53.720 For a moment here and there. 0:30:53.800 --> 0:30:56.160 Yeah, do we know why Dan Pinto has a gun? 0:30:56.400 --> 0:30:58.640 It's not a real gun. It is a paintball gun. 0:30:58.840 --> 0:30:59.600 Right right right? 0:30:59.640 --> 0:30:59.720 Right? 0:30:59.760 --> 0:31:02.560 Okay, yeah, because I was like, he is a dorc 0:31:02.960 --> 0:31:06.080 why is he? M? M okay it's painpal gun. Yes, yes. 0:31:07.200 --> 0:31:11.280 So Dan ends up in the hospital after this altercation 0:31:11.400 --> 0:31:15.440 with Nicki, and Taylor calls Ingrid and she's like, hey, 0:31:15.480 --> 0:31:18.320 do you know where my brother is? And she's like, 0:31:18.560 --> 0:31:21.360 definitely not, but I'm sure he's fine. 0:31:22.000 --> 0:31:24.000 Let's get avocado toast. 0:31:23.880 --> 0:31:30.000 Girly, and then Ingrid finds out that Taylor has taken 0:31:30.080 --> 0:31:33.920 another trip to Joshua Tree, so Ingrid drives there to 0:31:34.120 --> 0:31:36.680 stalk her. Yeah, but then finds out that Taylor is 0:31:36.720 --> 0:31:39.440 not actually there and that she doesn't want to see 0:31:39.560 --> 0:31:43.160 or talk to Ingrid anymore because she found out what 0:31:43.560 --> 0:31:45.800 Ingrid did to Nicki her brother. 0:31:45.920 --> 0:31:51.520 And I think kind of like massively underreacts. Yeah, not 0:31:51.640 --> 0:31:55.160 that I would advise involving the police, but it just 0:31:55.200 --> 0:31:57.560 didn't make sense to me. It seems like Taylor would 0:31:57.560 --> 0:32:00.480 have no issue calling the police, you know what I mean, right. 0:32:00.880 --> 0:32:05.320 I was surprised at how generous she was in that situation, 0:32:05.360 --> 0:32:07.760 because I'm like, if I were Taylor, I would be like, 0:32:07.920 --> 0:32:12.240 I don't feel safe for sure. That's scary. 0:32:12.520 --> 0:32:15.720 There's some comment that I think Ezra makes to the 0:32:15.720 --> 0:32:19.520 effect of, if Nicky didn't try to extort you, you'd 0:32:19.520 --> 0:32:21.920 be in jail right now. So I think that because 0:32:22.680 --> 0:32:26.640 Nicky did something illegal, that's why they don't go to 0:32:26.760 --> 0:32:31.760 the police. But I don't know the logic of these choices. 0:32:32.040 --> 0:32:32.760 It's confusing. 0:32:33.000 --> 0:32:37.200 In any case, Ingrid makes this situation even worse by 0:32:37.240 --> 0:32:41.760 calling Taylor many times and leaving a bunch of voicemails 0:32:42.920 --> 0:32:46.440 then Ingrid puts a down payment on a house in 0:32:46.560 --> 0:32:49.800 Joshua Tree, the house next to the one that Taylor 0:32:50.080 --> 0:32:53.920 owns aka the house that Taylor wanted to buy to 0:32:54.000 --> 0:32:57.920 turn into the boutique hotel. But this is the last 0:32:57.920 --> 0:33:03.200 of Ingrid's money, so now she broke. She's living in Squalor. 0:33:04.080 --> 0:33:08.120 She sees then that Taylor's having a Halloween party next door, 0:33:08.600 --> 0:33:11.320 so she puts on like a white sheet to pretend 0:33:11.320 --> 0:33:16.320 to be a ghost and crashes the party, and Taylor 0:33:16.360 --> 0:33:18.680 and Ezra and Nikki are all like, what the fuck 0:33:18.720 --> 0:33:23.719 are you doing here? Leave us alone? So then Ingrid 0:33:24.200 --> 0:33:26.960 goes back to her house and records a video of 0:33:27.000 --> 0:33:31.000 herself saying that everything she's posted in the past few 0:33:31.040 --> 0:33:33.920 months has been a lie. She has not been living 0:33:33.960 --> 0:33:38.360 this glamorous la life. She's a loser. She knows that 0:33:38.440 --> 0:33:40.640 something is wrong with her, but she doesn't know how 0:33:40.680 --> 0:33:43.720 to fix it or how to change. She feels lonely, 0:33:44.360 --> 0:33:48.720 she feels despair, and she posts this video to her 0:33:48.760 --> 0:33:52.560 followers on Instagram, which she's accumulated I think like a 0:33:52.600 --> 0:33:56.440 few thousand, I'm guessing because of her proximity to Taylor 0:33:56.560 --> 0:33:59.840 and like being tagged in photos of Taylors and things 0:33:59.880 --> 0:34:03.680 like that. This video is effectively a suicide note. She 0:34:03.760 --> 0:34:08.680 posts it and then she attempts suicide. She wakes up 0:34:08.960 --> 0:34:13.719 in the hospital having survived because Dan had seen the 0:34:13.800 --> 0:34:18.200 video and called nine to one one, and so she survives, 0:34:18.320 --> 0:34:22.080 and she learns that the video she posted went viral, 0:34:22.239 --> 0:34:25.719 and now she has tons of followers and people who 0:34:26.680 --> 0:34:29.600 care about her and who have sent her gifts and 0:34:29.640 --> 0:34:33.319 all of this stuff. She's even a hashtag. And so 0:34:33.400 --> 0:34:35.799 the movie ends on this note, or at least my 0:34:36.040 --> 0:34:41.080 interpretation of it, is that she has learned nothing and 0:34:41.160 --> 0:34:46.080 she'll continue to seek validation from social media and other 0:34:46.200 --> 0:34:48.640 kind of like superficial sources. 0:34:49.719 --> 0:34:50.200 The end. 0:34:51.239 --> 0:34:53.759 So that's the movie on. 0:34:53.760 --> 0:34:56.640 That awesome note. Let's take a quick break and we'll 0:34:56.640 --> 0:35:11.080 be right back, and we're back. Okay, Yeah, this movie 0:35:11.400 --> 0:35:16.040 is really challenging. Okay, So I want to talk about 0:35:16.080 --> 0:35:18.000 some of the criticism of this movie that came out 0:35:18.040 --> 0:35:19.680 at the time, because I think a lot of it 0:35:19.760 --> 0:35:22.280 is valid, and I also kind of want to revisit 0:35:22.320 --> 0:35:24.319 it a little bit because I think that this movie 0:35:24.480 --> 0:35:30.479 does not do great on the subject of mental health. 0:35:30.800 --> 0:35:31.160 Agree. 0:35:31.280 --> 0:35:34.640 I think that that is like one of its major flaws, 0:35:35.400 --> 0:35:37.080 but the way that it fumbles it. I think I 0:35:37.080 --> 0:35:40.480 feel differently than I did when I first saw it, 0:35:40.520 --> 0:35:47.080 because it feels like Ingrid is a destructive She's struggling 0:35:47.080 --> 0:35:50.400 with mental illness and grief the entire movie, and we 0:35:50.480 --> 0:35:54.520 know this about her, and she is unable to get 0:35:55.120 --> 0:35:59.279 the help that she needs, and it feels like she 0:35:59.480 --> 0:36:02.000 is stuck in this. I think I originally was like 0:36:02.640 --> 0:36:04.239 my first viewing at this, I was like, Oh, we're 0:36:04.239 --> 0:36:06.880 supposed to hate Ingrid, but I didn't really feel that 0:36:06.920 --> 0:36:09.440 way this time. I felt like it. And maybe I'm 0:36:09.480 --> 0:36:12.560 giving the movie too much credit, but it was It's like, 0:36:13.040 --> 0:36:18.680 because social media was and is such an under explored 0:36:19.400 --> 0:36:23.600 addictive process, It's like every time like she has the 0:36:23.680 --> 0:36:26.799 drug in her hand at all times, and no one 0:36:27.320 --> 0:36:31.760 really acknowledges it as an addiction and as a drug 0:36:31.800 --> 0:36:37.120 that can exacerbate and make the mental illnesses that she's 0:36:37.120 --> 0:36:40.640 struggling with even harder to deal with. And so I 0:36:40.680 --> 0:36:44.440 don't know, it's tricky because she does so many unforgivable things. 0:36:44.880 --> 0:36:49.000 But I did find myself like empathizing with her because 0:36:49.040 --> 0:36:52.640 I've struggled with mental illness and like OCD specifically, and 0:36:52.719 --> 0:36:57.520 social media is designed to make that worse and designed 0:36:57.520 --> 0:37:01.080 to encourage that and attach social currency and the concept 0:37:01.120 --> 0:37:05.040 of acceptance to that. So, like I, while I cannot 0:37:05.080 --> 0:37:10.680 relate with kidnapping Billy Magnuson and like, you know, completely 0:37:10.719 --> 0:37:15.319 uprooting my life, I did feel like it was interesting 0:37:16.040 --> 0:37:20.040 to see a character who is struggling with obsessive thoughts 0:37:20.120 --> 0:37:25.440 and compulsive behaviors and how social media is absolutely designed 0:37:25.520 --> 0:37:28.720 to make that worse. The way it's handled from moment 0:37:28.760 --> 0:37:31.760 to moment, I feel like is all over the place 0:37:31.840 --> 0:37:32.160 for me. 0:37:33.680 --> 0:37:37.840 Right, because, like the movie's agenda is very clearly to 0:37:38.920 --> 0:37:43.960 examine what social media can do to people's mental health, 0:37:44.239 --> 0:37:49.680 how it can encourage an impulse for people to compare 0:37:49.719 --> 0:37:54.080 themselves to others, how it can breed loneliness. And then 0:37:54.120 --> 0:37:57.560 on the kind of influencer side of things, it shows 0:37:57.640 --> 0:38:01.839 how their job is to hawk stuff, whether that's like 0:38:02.600 --> 0:38:08.239 food at a restaurant, apparel, accessories, makeup whatever, or just 0:38:08.320 --> 0:38:14.160 like a general like image or lifestyle almost and how 0:38:14.920 --> 0:38:20.080 doing that basically encourages that impulse to compare yourself to 0:38:20.160 --> 0:38:25.160 others and feel insecure and feel lonely, and how it's 0:38:25.239 --> 0:38:28.520 just like this cyclical mess, and the movie acknowledges that 0:38:28.920 --> 0:38:31.759 and explores it. But like you were saying, as far 0:38:31.800 --> 0:38:39.240 as how it handles it, and especially handles mental health. 0:38:39.239 --> 0:38:41.799 As well as like suicidality, I've felt. 0:38:41.480 --> 0:38:43.680 Like I'm not thrilled with it. 0:38:43.920 --> 0:38:44.360 Yeah. 0:38:44.400 --> 0:38:46.800 On one hand, I do think the movie could be 0:38:47.400 --> 0:38:52.600 a lot more judgmental of people who are like influenced 0:38:52.960 --> 0:38:57.719 by influencers, especially for a movie that was written and 0:38:57.800 --> 0:39:02.440 directed by men, because men often have a habit of 0:39:02.480 --> 0:39:08.160 observing women and kind of misinterpreting what is going on. 0:39:08.280 --> 0:39:10.160 So I feel like it would have been very easy for, 0:39:11.200 --> 0:39:15.719 you know, most male filmmakers to observe women who are 0:39:15.880 --> 0:39:21.319 on both sides of the like influencer social media phenomenon 0:39:21.440 --> 0:39:24.319 and cast a lot of judgment on them, the way 0:39:24.360 --> 0:39:29.040 that men constantly cast judgment on women for things like 0:39:29.680 --> 0:39:36.840 feeling pressure to adhere to societal expectations that men largely reinforce. Right, 0:39:37.040 --> 0:39:40.799 the movie doesn't quite do that, but it does not 0:39:41.200 --> 0:39:46.200 seem to have very much empathy for the mental health 0:39:46.239 --> 0:39:49.799 issues that Ingrid is dealing with. 0:39:50.280 --> 0:39:52.480 Yeah, I feel the same way. I feel like, in 0:39:52.560 --> 0:39:56.160 the effort to get their message across about social media. 0:39:56.800 --> 0:40:01.799 The way that mental health is treated is undercooked in 0:40:02.000 --> 0:40:07.040 service of that point, which sucks because I think it's 0:40:07.600 --> 0:40:11.520 a really hard needle to thread and one that I 0:40:11.520 --> 0:40:14.040 would rather I mean this honestly, this movie just maybe 0:40:14.120 --> 0:40:18.040 want to see movies about social media addiction, not by men, 0:40:18.520 --> 0:40:20.440 and not to say that men can't be addicted to 0:40:20.480 --> 0:40:23.880 social media. They absolutely can and are. But this was 0:40:23.880 --> 0:40:29.680 like talking about a very particular gendered form of plucking 0:40:29.760 --> 0:40:33.480 the show again, sixteenth minute on cool Zone Media. I 0:40:33.520 --> 0:40:36.479 was just talking with friend of the cast, Bridget Todd 0:40:36.520 --> 0:40:39.360 this morning, yes, of course, who hosts There Are No 0:40:39.400 --> 0:40:41.640 Girls on the Internet and talks about these topics a lot, 0:40:42.239 --> 0:40:44.360 and you know, she was speaking to the point that 0:40:44.400 --> 0:40:47.319 I think is done more thoughtfully in this movie, which 0:40:47.360 --> 0:40:50.760 is that social media is designed to make women feel 0:40:50.760 --> 0:40:56.240 like shit, and the content that the algorithm favors tends 0:40:56.280 --> 0:41:00.479 to be very aspirational to make women feel like shit 0:41:01.120 --> 0:41:04.760 about their body, about their class, about their lifestyle, about 0:41:04.800 --> 0:41:09.479 any number of things. And I do like that. Again, 0:41:09.520 --> 0:41:12.720 the easy choice here would have been to make Taylor 0:41:12.760 --> 0:41:18.200 the influencer be a super villain who is lying in 0:41:18.239 --> 0:41:23.680 a less complicated way than she's actually lying. But it doesn't, 0:41:23.719 --> 0:41:26.880 and I do appreciate that, you know, like Taylor is 0:41:26.920 --> 0:41:29.759 in sort of this trap of maybe not of her 0:41:29.760 --> 0:41:32.120 own making, but sort of of her own making, where 0:41:32.760 --> 0:41:38.680 it's become her job to perform feeling great, and she 0:41:38.880 --> 0:41:42.560 doesn't like she has any number of problems like normal 0:41:42.560 --> 0:41:46.839 people would, but can't say that. I am interested in, 0:41:47.040 --> 0:41:52.920 like the monetizing yourself and your personality, and I think 0:41:52.960 --> 0:41:55.560 that that is just like always a more slippery slope 0:41:56.200 --> 0:42:00.920 if you're marginalized in any way, especially like before there 0:42:00.920 --> 0:42:03.160 were any conversations around it, like so easy to get 0:42:03.160 --> 0:42:06.959 trapped in like a rigid self, and if you act 0:42:07.000 --> 0:42:11.960 outside of this self, you're acting off brand, and that's bad. 0:42:12.080 --> 0:42:15.520 And like, I think this movie does do some stuff 0:42:15.560 --> 0:42:20.040 to acknowledge that, you know, the influencers are also in 0:42:20.239 --> 0:42:24.800 a different kind of mental prison, right, And it doesn't 0:42:24.840 --> 0:42:29.960 mean that the actions of influencers are universally forgivable, because 0:42:30.440 --> 0:42:34.560 you know, Taylor is still not great, right, But I 0:42:34.680 --> 0:42:36.520 like that she is not great in a way that 0:42:36.600 --> 0:42:39.600 still feels very human. And I just feel like her 0:42:39.640 --> 0:42:44.320 character was generally better thought through than Ingrid's at times, 0:42:44.360 --> 0:42:47.879 which is frustrating because I think Ingrid is We're given 0:42:47.920 --> 0:42:51.000 the ingredients to have a lot of interesting discussions in 0:42:51.040 --> 0:42:55.760 this movie around grief, around mental health, and around how 0:42:56.520 --> 0:42:58.920 you are with a tiny computer all the time that 0:42:59.000 --> 0:43:02.600 says it's helping you with these exact things, and almost 0:43:02.680 --> 0:43:07.719 always isn't like, but it's an interesting movie to go 0:43:07.840 --> 0:43:10.160 back to because you're like, they didn't quite get it. 0:43:10.960 --> 0:43:14.120 But I think it's aging better than I expected. 0:43:14.719 --> 0:43:17.280 Right, I mean again, the thing that it's always gonna 0:43:17.280 --> 0:43:22.480 boil down to for me is that the Ingrid character, 0:43:23.360 --> 0:43:32.040 it's not necessarily unsympathetic or unempathetic toward her, especially when 0:43:32.080 --> 0:43:39.040 you learn the directors and the writers' intentions with the character. 0:43:39.360 --> 0:43:42.759 So I will share a quote from what I think 0:43:42.840 --> 0:43:44.799 might be a press release. I don't really know what 0:43:44.840 --> 0:43:49.600 this was, but it's possibly a press release from Mongrel Media, 0:43:49.760 --> 0:43:55.319 which is the film distribution company that I believe distributed 0:43:55.640 --> 0:44:00.560 Ingrid Goes West. And in this document is a an 0:44:00.560 --> 0:44:04.760 interview with Matt Spicer, who directed and co wrote the movie, 0:44:05.200 --> 0:44:09.000 and he was asked how did this project originate and 0:44:09.120 --> 0:44:13.319 he says, quote, my co writer, David Branson Smith and 0:44:13.440 --> 0:44:16.320 I have been friends for many years and we're looking 0:44:16.320 --> 0:44:18.680 for something to work on together. We were having lunch 0:44:18.680 --> 0:44:21.799 and talking about our mutual obsession with Instagram and how 0:44:21.840 --> 0:44:24.360 it brings out the worst in us, making us feel 0:44:24.360 --> 0:44:28.320 bad about ourselves while also being wildly entertaining and addictive. 0:44:28.920 --> 0:44:30.719 He asked me if I thought there was a movie there, 0:44:30.800 --> 0:44:34.000 which I did. The obvious choice was to make single 0:44:34.000 --> 0:44:37.920 white female for the social media generation, with Taylor as 0:44:37.960 --> 0:44:41.920 the helpless victim in Ingrid as the obsessive, cold blooded stalker. 0:44:42.480 --> 0:44:44.879 But the more we talked about it, I actually found 0:44:44.920 --> 0:44:49.399 myself relating more to the Ingrid character. The quote goes 0:44:49.400 --> 0:44:52.040 on and there's a bunch of other questions, and he 0:44:52.120 --> 0:44:55.920 talks quite a bit about developing each character and the 0:44:55.960 --> 0:45:00.440 thought that went into it. And so they are approaching Ingrid, 0:45:00.960 --> 0:45:05.920 the writers and director, with a sense of empathy, like 0:45:06.000 --> 0:45:09.840 they do kind of understand what it is to be 0:45:09.960 --> 0:45:13.440 addicted to social media and how that does affect your 0:45:13.480 --> 0:45:18.000 mental health. And so they're not necessarily not approaching the 0:45:18.080 --> 0:45:24.239 character with any intentional malice or anything like that. But 0:45:24.400 --> 0:45:30.680 the fact remains that Ingrid, though it is unidentified, is 0:45:31.239 --> 0:45:36.960 dealing with a mental health crisis, and I mean not identified, 0:45:36.960 --> 0:45:39.200 like by specific name she's never. 0:45:39.080 --> 0:45:42.839 Right, which which I'm not mad about, right, but yeah, 0:45:42.880 --> 0:45:46.600 something that Foster's compulsive behaviors. 0:45:46.560 --> 0:45:51.240 Right, And on top of that, she's dealing with grief 0:45:51.480 --> 0:45:57.359 over the loss of her mother, and the movie, I 0:45:57.400 --> 0:46:03.080 think is pretty much constantly assuming that you will or 0:46:03.239 --> 0:46:07.080 encouraging that the audience will be cringing at her behavior 0:46:07.200 --> 0:46:10.440 and laughing at her. And so for that to be 0:46:10.640 --> 0:46:14.680 the case, and people might disagree with me, but I 0:46:14.719 --> 0:46:17.719 feel like the movie is like constantly like, oh God, no, Ingrid, 0:46:17.760 --> 0:46:20.520 don't do that, not again. Oh you're so cringey. Oh, 0:46:20.680 --> 0:46:23.799 or she's doing something that you're laughing at or that's 0:46:23.800 --> 0:46:26.359 supposed to be funny. And for that to be true 0:46:26.400 --> 0:46:29.239 of a character who is again dealing with a mental 0:46:29.280 --> 0:46:33.560 health crisis. That's the thing that rubs me the wrong 0:46:33.800 --> 0:46:35.399 way about this movie. 0:46:36.200 --> 0:46:38.520 That makes sense to me, And that was like, so 0:46:38.760 --> 0:46:40.520 what I didn't like about it the first time, And 0:46:40.560 --> 0:46:44.479 I think that that makes a lot of sense. And yeah, 0:46:44.480 --> 0:46:47.799 I'm unclear on exactly what they want us to feel 0:46:47.800 --> 0:46:50.120 about her at certain points because I feel like, and 0:46:50.160 --> 0:46:54.200 maybe this is just grounded in Aubrey Plaza's performance, but 0:46:54.400 --> 0:46:57.359 like I want to be on her side, like I 0:46:57.400 --> 0:47:01.719 want her to be okay, and it's like scary and 0:47:02.320 --> 0:47:06.600 sad and frustrating to watch her not get the help 0:47:06.680 --> 0:47:09.720 that she needs. Yeah again, it just yeah, I felt 0:47:09.840 --> 0:47:14.319 undercooked and under explored because we see that she has 0:47:14.400 --> 0:47:19.160 spent some time in inpatient treatment, but that doesn't seem 0:47:19.200 --> 0:47:23.239 to have been especially helpful for her, which can be 0:47:23.400 --> 0:47:27.000 very true, but like again, it's just like that's there 0:47:27.239 --> 0:47:31.680 and she goes to I mean, yeah, if you're having 0:47:31.760 --> 0:47:35.520 a mental health crisis, definitely don't move to Los Angeles. 0:47:35.600 --> 0:47:39.319 It's like the worst possible place you could be. Take 0:47:39.360 --> 0:47:43.400 it from me, But it's hard because I feel like 0:47:43.440 --> 0:47:45.960 I can't exactly put it into words. I think that 0:47:45.960 --> 0:47:50.759 that read is so there of like it's funny that 0:47:50.800 --> 0:47:53.520 this is happening, but I also felt like going back 0:47:53.560 --> 0:47:58.960 in this time, I just felt terribly for her. Yeah, 0:47:59.000 --> 0:48:01.880 and part of why it's such an anxiety inducing movie. 0:48:02.280 --> 0:48:04.080 And maybe it's just like where I am now versus 0:48:04.120 --> 0:48:07.240 where I was then, but like watching her be around 0:48:07.320 --> 0:48:12.040 people who don't necessarily have bad intentions towards her, but 0:48:12.320 --> 0:48:15.480 they just are not equipped to be able to give 0:48:15.520 --> 0:48:19.279 her what she needs. And yeah, I think the mental 0:48:19.320 --> 0:48:21.759 health point that really didn't sit well with me. Again, 0:48:21.800 --> 0:48:27.400 I understand from the message cautionary message about social media 0:48:27.440 --> 0:48:32.279 point why the character makes a suicide attempt, but I 0:48:32.360 --> 0:48:36.120 really don't. That's just a personal preference thing. Maybe I 0:48:36.160 --> 0:48:38.520 just don't like that. I especially don't like when that's 0:48:38.560 --> 0:48:43.759 put on screen. That was what gave me pause. I 0:48:43.800 --> 0:48:46.600 feel like you can end the movie the same way, 0:48:46.840 --> 0:48:52.840 maybe not, you know, with that same really stomach churning impact. 0:48:53.680 --> 0:48:55.719 But I feel like you could end the movie with 0:48:55.760 --> 0:48:59.960 the same like feeling without having done that. But that's 0:49:00.360 --> 0:49:02.480 kind of a personal preference. But I just don't like 0:49:02.600 --> 0:49:05.799 when attempts are put on screen. I feel like it's 0:49:05.960 --> 0:49:09.680 usually unnecessary, especially because it's an Oprey Plaza movie. A 0:49:09.719 --> 0:49:12.120 lot of young people are gonna see it, and I 0:49:12.239 --> 0:49:14.319 just don't like it. I wanted to go back to 0:49:14.520 --> 0:49:18.280 original criticism of this movie, yeah, because I just wanted 0:49:18.320 --> 0:49:19.640 your take. I really I don't know what to make 0:49:19.680 --> 0:49:24.160 of it now, especially because we were already doing movie 0:49:24.160 --> 0:49:26.600 criticism in twenty seventeen when this movie came out. But 0:49:26.600 --> 0:49:28.400 I feel like it was very different. 0:49:28.800 --> 0:49:31.320 We were hashtag babies back. 0:49:31.080 --> 0:49:36.400 Then, tag podcasting toddlers, but it was an interesting, like, 0:49:36.440 --> 0:49:39.200 look at what the criticism of this time was like. 0:49:39.280 --> 0:49:42.080 So this is from a Miss magazine piece from when 0:49:42.080 --> 0:49:45.080 the movie came out in twenty seventeen. While the film 0:49:45.080 --> 0:49:48.120 has been heralded as a timely warning against social media, 0:49:48.160 --> 0:49:50.480 this so called warning is only possible because of the 0:49:50.480 --> 0:49:55.280 filmmaker's representation of Ingrid as unstable, obsessive, and quote unquote 0:49:55.360 --> 0:49:58.920 hysterical depictions, which have historically all been used to devalue 0:49:58.960 --> 0:50:02.080 and control women. Taking a cue from Single White Female, 0:50:02.120 --> 0:50:04.560 the film relies on the trope that women's friendships are 0:50:04.560 --> 0:50:08.080 toxic and unstable, Taking another from films like Swim Fan 0:50:08.120 --> 0:50:10.920 and Black Swan, it predicates its entire plot on the 0:50:10.920 --> 0:50:14.880 tired notion that women are jealous, irrational, and obsessive by nature. 0:50:15.280 --> 0:50:18.520 The film's investment in these depictions paints mental illness into 0:50:18.560 --> 0:50:22.600 an inherently female danger. Indeed, it seems that Ingrid is 0:50:22.640 --> 0:50:25.560 a stark and visual warning about the mentally ill woman 0:50:25.640 --> 0:50:29.600 we should make sure to never become. As Sarah Kahn 0:50:29.640 --> 0:50:32.800 writes in a piece that no longer exists on the Internet, 0:50:33.640 --> 0:50:36.760 the film's unresolved ending is particularly harmful. In that quote, 0:50:36.800 --> 0:50:39.880 it only reinforces the incorrect and ignorant narrative that people 0:50:40.040 --> 0:50:43.680 only talk openly about mental illness to seek attention unquote. 0:50:44.840 --> 0:50:46.880 I think this is interesting. I don't totally agree with 0:50:46.960 --> 0:50:50.440 it now, honestly, but I do I think agree with 0:50:50.480 --> 0:50:52.640 that last part a little bit. Again. I think that, 0:50:52.800 --> 0:50:56.839 like from the year twenty twenty four, I cannot comfortably 0:50:56.920 --> 0:51:01.000 say that everyone on the internet discussed mental health is 0:51:01.040 --> 0:51:04.880 doing so in great faith. I feel like that is 0:51:04.960 --> 0:51:10.520 not necessarily true. However, the majority are, I think, and 0:51:11.000 --> 0:51:15.280 I feel like if this movie wants to make this point, 0:51:15.680 --> 0:51:18.879 we should maybe see other examples of how people are 0:51:19.239 --> 0:51:20.280 good faith engaging. 0:51:20.880 --> 0:51:21.280 Yeah. 0:51:21.400 --> 0:51:24.120 See, But now saying that, I'm like, do you feel 0:51:24.120 --> 0:51:27.600 that Ingrid made this attempt for attention? I sort of 0:51:27.680 --> 0:51:32.279 didn't read it that way. I didn't well, I don't know. 0:51:32.360 --> 0:51:35.719 I mean, like, maybe that's me being naive and like 0:51:35.800 --> 0:51:38.799 I don't see the game of like seven thousand d 0:51:38.920 --> 0:51:41.120 chests she was playing. But I guess I read that 0:51:41.200 --> 0:51:44.680 attempt as sincere, so that kind of negates that point 0:51:45.400 --> 0:51:47.120 for me. I don't know. I do think that it 0:51:47.120 --> 0:51:50.839 would have been helpful to clarify whatever they were trying 0:51:50.880 --> 0:51:55.200 to say around mental health to have another character navigating, 0:51:55.719 --> 0:51:58.680 if not the same issue, because you know, everyone has 0:51:58.719 --> 0:52:02.319 their own mental health journey to go on, right, but 0:52:02.440 --> 0:52:07.720 navigating those same issues in a different way from Ingrid. 0:52:08.880 --> 0:52:13.719 Right, I do think it was not like an attention 0:52:14.120 --> 0:52:15.960 seeking attempt. 0:52:16.080 --> 0:52:17.200 I didn't think so either. 0:52:17.360 --> 0:52:23.279 Yeah, I do think that she was legitimately attempting suicide. 0:52:23.800 --> 0:52:27.960 And what she says during that video seems I mean, 0:52:28.000 --> 0:52:32.840 it's devastating because she's acknowledging how her life has been 0:52:33.000 --> 0:52:36.880 a lie and how she feels so lonely and she 0:52:36.960 --> 0:52:40.360 feels like a loser and pathetic and all of these things. 0:52:40.360 --> 0:52:44.360 She misses her mom and like, see now, I'm like, 0:52:44.960 --> 0:52:49.560 but now this movie review doesn't believe women. I'm confused. 0:52:50.080 --> 0:52:53.239 I'm confused. Yeah, I didn't read that. I mean, and 0:52:53.280 --> 0:52:56.640 listeners like, obviously open season on if you did read 0:52:56.680 --> 0:53:00.440 it that way. But yeah, it felt like if that 0:53:00.600 --> 0:53:03.239 was the intended read of the movie, then yeah, Ingrid 0:53:03.400 --> 0:53:07.400 is being shown as essentially a super villain. But I 0:53:07.440 --> 0:53:09.399 guess I just didn't. Yeah, I didn't read it that way. 0:53:10.360 --> 0:53:15.440 My read is that she was intending to die by suicide, 0:53:16.239 --> 0:53:22.400 that her words in the suicide note video were earnest, 0:53:23.160 --> 0:53:28.240 but The point is that she will fall back into 0:53:28.280 --> 0:53:33.839 the same cycle because once she survives this attempt and 0:53:33.960 --> 0:53:38.839 learns that she has a following now that people are 0:53:38.880 --> 0:53:42.680 reaching out to her, and chances are she'll never meet 0:53:42.719 --> 0:53:46.400 any of these people and not actually form any lasting 0:53:46.480 --> 0:53:50.400 or meaningful connections with any of them. But she's addicted 0:53:50.440 --> 0:53:55.640 to this internet validation, and it seems as though, because 0:53:55.640 --> 0:53:58.680 of like the grin on her face when she's seeing 0:53:58.760 --> 0:54:02.920 all of these expressions of love and support from people 0:54:03.120 --> 0:54:08.480 commenting on her Instagram, that she again will have learned 0:54:08.800 --> 0:54:13.480 nothing and will fall back into the same cycle what 0:54:13.719 --> 0:54:18.920 I wish would have happened. Maybe I'm talking through this 0:54:18.960 --> 0:54:23.320 in real time, but like we see her being hospitalized 0:54:23.520 --> 0:54:27.520 in the beginning of the movie, but it's in like montage, right, 0:54:28.000 --> 0:54:32.600 and we don't get a whole lot of sense of 0:54:33.040 --> 0:54:36.520 what is going on, and like is the system failing her? 0:54:36.560 --> 0:54:39.719 Like is the healthcare system the thing that's right? 0:54:39.760 --> 0:54:42.279 And it kind of seems I guess again, that was 0:54:42.360 --> 0:54:45.040 like the conclusion that I jumped to, but we're not 0:54:45.120 --> 0:54:47.080 given that explicit reason. 0:54:46.960 --> 0:54:50.800 Right, because she makes a comment of I know something 0:54:50.840 --> 0:54:52.920 is wrong with me, but I don't know how to 0:54:52.920 --> 0:54:58.879 fix it, I don't know how to change, and I'm curious, 0:54:58.920 --> 0:55:01.840 like what was the care like that she did receive 0:55:02.719 --> 0:55:03.520 in this hospital? 0:55:03.800 --> 0:55:07.080 Right, right, because it's like it's totally conceivable to get 0:55:07.640 --> 0:55:11.600 bad mental health treatment, absolute surely, but it's yeah, I 0:55:11.640 --> 0:55:16.200 agree like that it's important I think to yeah, demonstrate 0:55:16.320 --> 0:55:20.400 like why it didn't quite work. Otherwise I feel like 0:55:20.440 --> 0:55:22.239 it is a viable read for it to be like, 0:55:22.680 --> 0:55:25.080 you know, in patient treatment doesn't work, which is obviously 0:55:25.120 --> 0:55:28.279 not true. Right Yeah. Again, it's just like, because it's 0:55:28.280 --> 0:55:31.279 like this satirey feel, it sometimes feels like there's too 0:55:31.400 --> 0:55:36.360 broad of a brush with certain issues. But anyways, I 0:55:36.400 --> 0:55:38.720 just wanted to share that because I thought it was interesting. 0:55:38.800 --> 0:55:41.000 I'm like, I feel like I would have really wholeheartedly 0:55:41.040 --> 0:55:45.680 agreed with that criticism at the time, and you know, 0:55:46.360 --> 0:55:50.799 time keeps moving, and it's just interesting because I feel like, yeah, 0:55:50.920 --> 0:55:52.960 I was able to have a little bit more of 0:55:52.960 --> 0:55:56.879 a generous read of this movie than I did six 0:55:56.960 --> 0:55:59.319 or seven years ago. I do want to say that 0:55:59.400 --> 0:56:03.279 Elizabeth said joined Instagram right after this movie came out. 0:56:03.960 --> 0:56:07.000 There is a funny, kind of iconic her kind of 0:56:07.040 --> 0:56:09.640 fucked up but kind of iconic. This is from the Cut. 0:56:09.640 --> 0:56:13.560 In twenty seventeen, Elizabeth Olsen recently joined Instagram for the 0:56:13.600 --> 0:56:16.120 first time. She learned the ropes while playing an Instagram 0:56:16.120 --> 0:56:19.440 influencer in her upcoming film Ingrid Goes West, But in 0:56:19.480 --> 0:56:21.680 an interview with The La Times, she reveals that her 0:56:21.680 --> 0:56:24.600 newfound social media savvy isn't simply because she needed to 0:56:24.600 --> 0:56:27.279 share photos of her breakfast with the world. She's just 0:56:27.360 --> 0:56:29.440 in it for the cash, so she said, it's so 0:56:29.480 --> 0:56:32.239 funny that people, this is Elizabeth Olsen speaking, It's so 0:56:32.280 --> 0:56:34.360 funny that people like to pretend that there may be 0:56:34.520 --> 0:56:37.200 or maybe not getting paid to post something financially, it's 0:56:37.239 --> 0:56:39.640 a brilliant opportunity. Like I'd really love to be a 0:56:39.640 --> 0:56:42.439 brand ambassador. I'd love to do a campaign. I think 0:56:42.480 --> 0:56:45.279 sometimes working with brands or different cosmetic companies that can 0:56:45.280 --> 0:56:47.200 help people recognize your face and then they go see 0:56:47.239 --> 0:56:50.919 your movie. I was only hurting my opportunities by not participating, which, 0:56:51.000 --> 0:56:53.160 honestly I think that that is Like, even if you 0:56:53.160 --> 0:56:55.080 don't agree with it, I appreciate that she's just being 0:56:55.120 --> 0:56:57.440 honest about it because I feel like that's the fault 0:56:57.600 --> 0:57:01.120 that the movie is trying to criticize, is that influencers 0:57:01.120 --> 0:57:04.040 and this happened. I mean, it's worse now, even though 0:57:04.080 --> 0:57:07.640 there are disclosure laws in place that there didn't used 0:57:07.680 --> 0:57:10.959 to be about and saying when you're doing spawn versus 0:57:11.000 --> 0:57:14.600 when you're not. There are some influencers that like their 0:57:14.640 --> 0:57:17.440 whole account is spawn. You're like, how do we even 0:57:17.560 --> 0:57:20.520 get interested in you in the first place? Like you're 0:57:20.600 --> 0:57:22.200 just selling shit. It's weird. 0:57:22.800 --> 0:57:28.040 Yeah, I've never quite understood that, but I do find 0:57:28.080 --> 0:57:34.120 it interesting that the way Taylor describes herself and her job, 0:57:34.160 --> 0:57:37.520 because ingrid very blazonly, is like, what do you guys 0:57:37.520 --> 0:57:40.200 do for money? You know, on the first night that 0:57:40.320 --> 0:57:43.080 she meets them. But people should be more transparent, I 0:57:43.080 --> 0:57:46.240 think about their income and how they get it. But anyway, yeah, 0:57:46.400 --> 0:57:49.040 she's like, what do you do for money? And Taylor's like, oh, 0:57:49.040 --> 0:57:52.400 I'm a photographer right right, And then we find out 0:57:52.520 --> 0:57:55.720 that she's like, well, you know, it's not as glamorous, 0:57:55.840 --> 0:58:00.320 is it seems? Sometimes brands pay me to like post 0:58:00.560 --> 0:58:03.840 photos on the thing. And so she's basically like she's 0:58:03.920 --> 0:58:10.280 describing being an influencer in very creative ways because we 0:58:10.360 --> 0:58:13.720 don't ever see her with a camera any other camera 0:58:13.800 --> 0:58:18.360 besides her iPhone camera, she's not doing the type of 0:58:18.400 --> 0:58:19.520 photography that. 0:58:20.160 --> 0:58:23.080 Yeah, it feels very like prior. I think that those 0:58:23.080 --> 0:58:25.680 disclosure laws they might have existed by the time this 0:58:25.720 --> 0:58:27.840 movie came out, but maybe not when it was written. 0:58:28.320 --> 0:58:31.320 I forget exactly when, but yeah, like it almost feels 0:58:31.320 --> 0:58:32.880 like I honestly used to feel this way when I 0:58:32.880 --> 0:58:35.479 would tell people that I hosted a podcast for a living, 0:58:35.520 --> 0:58:39.000 I actually would not say that, and I was actively like, oh, 0:58:39.080 --> 0:58:41.720 this is a career that is still like not quite 0:58:41.760 --> 0:58:44.640 a thing, and I'm kind of embarrassed to say I 0:58:44.680 --> 0:58:47.280 have a job that I'm not sure is considered to 0:58:47.320 --> 0:58:48.600 be real or you. 0:58:48.560 --> 0:58:49.920 Know, huh. 0:58:49.960 --> 0:58:53.080 And it feels like that's kind of what Taylor's doing 0:58:53.080 --> 0:58:55.560 with an influencer, Like she's trying to make it sound 0:58:55.840 --> 0:59:01.040 like a respected job where influencer clearly at the time 0:59:01.120 --> 0:59:03.360 this was written or filmed or I don't know what 0:59:03.400 --> 0:59:08.320 the production timeline was, wasn't considered a job, whereas now, 0:59:08.400 --> 0:59:12.640 like most influencers are pretty straightforward about what it is 0:59:12.680 --> 0:59:16.640 they're doing because it's considered a legitimate job. I mean 0:59:16.760 --> 0:59:20.439 the same as podcasting, Like it's considered a legitimate job now, 0:59:20.600 --> 0:59:22.640 and so people are just like, yeah, this is my job, 0:59:22.920 --> 0:59:27.160 but she's like, oh well, it's not what it seems like. 0:59:27.240 --> 0:59:30.080 And also like, clearly at this time she didn't have 0:59:30.120 --> 0:59:33.800 to disclose anything, which is scary, and that like whether 0:59:33.920 --> 0:59:38.640 the influencers doing this were especially cognizant of this or not, 0:59:38.760 --> 0:59:40.280 because I do think that there's like a lot of 0:59:40.360 --> 0:59:44.520 naivete around social media usage at this time. They're like, yeah, 0:59:44.520 --> 0:59:47.680 selling you a fake, it's advertising, it's lying, it's lying, 0:59:47.720 --> 0:59:48.640 it's making stuff up. 0:59:49.200 --> 0:59:51.800 And we see her lying about other stuff such as 0:59:51.920 --> 0:59:55.680 like she never read the books she's claiming to have read. 0:59:55.920 --> 1:00:00.120 She loved that, claims that her husband is a very 1:00:00.000 --> 1:00:02.600 the popular artist, and we find out that the only 1:00:02.640 --> 1:00:06.520 sale he's ever made is that one two ingrid And 1:00:07.240 --> 1:00:11.760 basically we just see every character lying or manipulating or 1:00:12.160 --> 1:00:15.760 thinking that the Jewel Schumacher Batman movies are good. 1:00:17.320 --> 1:00:22.040 Okay, what the greatest sin of all? I loved Joel Schumacher. 1:00:22.040 --> 1:00:24.720 I was very surprised to hear a Jewel Like, you 1:00:24.800 --> 1:00:28.200 just don't expect to hear his full name spoken in 1:00:28.240 --> 1:00:28.720 a movie. 1:00:28.760 --> 1:00:29.240 You don't. 1:00:29.600 --> 1:00:31.680 But yeah, I mean I thought this movie did a 1:00:31.720 --> 1:00:35.400 better job than I remembered both clearly pointing to the 1:00:35.400 --> 1:00:38.160 fact that the kind of influencing that Taylor is doing 1:00:38.680 --> 1:00:43.960 is lying. But there is like a gradient of like 1:00:44.640 --> 1:00:49.480 it doesn't make her the world's worst person, but it doesn't. 1:00:49.600 --> 1:00:52.760 I feel like there was at least some fairness with 1:00:53.960 --> 1:00:58.080 how that was shown, Like she wasn't completely demonized, but 1:00:58.200 --> 1:01:00.880 she wasn't made out to be like, oh, I'm just 1:01:00.920 --> 1:01:02.520 a girl, I don't know what I'm doing, Like she 1:01:02.600 --> 1:01:04.720 does know what she's doing, yeah, and she seems a 1:01:04.760 --> 1:01:07.480 little ashamed of it, but not enough to not do 1:01:07.640 --> 1:01:08.680 it right. 1:01:09.080 --> 1:01:12.360 There is more nuance to I would say pretty much 1:01:12.360 --> 1:01:18.000 every character we get to know to some extent, there's 1:01:18.040 --> 1:01:22.280 more nuance to them than, again, I would have expected 1:01:23.280 --> 1:01:27.920 from filmmakers who are men writing about women. I'm not 1:01:28.040 --> 1:01:29.080 saying they did. 1:01:28.920 --> 1:01:31.120 An amazing job, but they did something. 1:01:31.440 --> 1:01:34.240 There's something, and there's more nuance there because again, I 1:01:34.240 --> 1:01:37.919 think it would have been very easy and the kind 1:01:37.920 --> 1:01:44.200 of default for men to write female characters and female 1:01:44.200 --> 1:01:49.520 influencers and people who are susceptible to influencers in a 1:01:49.560 --> 1:01:53.880 way more judgy way. But I am curious as to 1:01:55.040 --> 1:02:00.280 why these men, and again I'm talking about director Matt 1:02:00.280 --> 1:02:04.120 Spicer and his co writer on the script, David Branson Smith, 1:02:04.880 --> 1:02:09.840 why they chose women as the main characters when they 1:02:09.920 --> 1:02:14.000 could better speak to the experience of men being affected 1:02:14.000 --> 1:02:18.440 by social media because they are men affected by social media, 1:02:18.600 --> 1:02:20.960 as they say in that interview. 1:02:20.680 --> 1:02:23.400 Which is interesting because we like we do get a 1:02:23.440 --> 1:02:25.720 feel for that. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, like, 1:02:25.760 --> 1:02:28.160 I don't want to be like people could only write 1:02:28.200 --> 1:02:30.600 their own experience. Yeah, but I would just be curious 1:02:30.680 --> 1:02:32.880 to know, and I would also at a note and 1:02:32.920 --> 1:02:35.320 I wasn't able to really find anything on this to 1:02:35.480 --> 1:02:38.760 like to what extent they spoke to women about their 1:02:38.800 --> 1:02:42.720 experiences on social media in building out these characters, because 1:02:42.720 --> 1:02:46.120 that feels like it would be a very important component 1:02:46.200 --> 1:02:49.040 of building out this relationship. Because I don't really agree 1:02:49.520 --> 1:02:52.800 with the Miss magazine criticism that sort of indicates that, 1:02:52.960 --> 1:02:58.400 like Taylor in Ingrid's Dynamic, is indicative that these writers 1:02:58.400 --> 1:03:02.320 think that all women's French are dysfunctional and toxic. Like, 1:03:02.440 --> 1:03:06.360 I think that that's kind of an overstatement. I feel 1:03:06.360 --> 1:03:09.920 like we understand why this friendship isn't working. It's because 1:03:10.640 --> 1:03:16.960 they're both lying and one to a wild degree. Yeah, 1:03:17.000 --> 1:03:20.560 and that you know one is in mental health crisis 1:03:20.640 --> 1:03:23.840 and the other is not equipped to handle that, and 1:03:24.040 --> 1:03:26.480 Taylor is like a people pleaser to the extent that 1:03:26.560 --> 1:03:31.280 it's dishonest, and like, I feel like you're given maybe 1:03:31.320 --> 1:03:34.080 my brain is broken. It didn't feel especially gendered, because 1:03:34.600 --> 1:03:37.920 you do get a taste of like how social media 1:03:38.080 --> 1:03:41.040 affects men, but not as I don't know, Like, I 1:03:41.080 --> 1:03:45.160 think that the shared quality across the cast is that 1:03:45.320 --> 1:03:48.640 everyone is in fake it till you make it mode, 1:03:49.520 --> 1:03:52.600 which is I think just how LA characters are very 1:03:52.640 --> 1:03:59.160 frequently written. But like Dan Pinto is a fake screenwriter, 1:03:59.800 --> 1:04:04.520 and Taylor is a fake photographer, and Wyatt Russell is 1:04:04.560 --> 1:04:08.600 a fake artist, and you know, Billy Magdison is a 1:04:09.280 --> 1:04:11.040 fake I don't even know. 1:04:11.600 --> 1:04:15.880 He's like a real con artist, and he's very racist. 1:04:16.200 --> 1:04:17.160 We should point. 1:04:16.880 --> 1:04:20.520 Out, yes, there is a horrific racist joke in this 1:04:20.680 --> 1:04:24.160 that clearly turns you on this character. I don't think 1:04:24.200 --> 1:04:27.920 it was necessary at all to turn us on this character. 1:04:28.080 --> 1:04:31.160 And it also makes it clear that Taylor is okay 1:04:31.360 --> 1:04:34.280 with this totally in a room full of white people, 1:04:34.320 --> 1:04:38.160 She's very okay with laughing at an extremely racist joke. 1:04:38.920 --> 1:04:40.720 And I think that the only person in the room 1:04:40.720 --> 1:04:42.920 who really says something is her. 1:04:42.800 --> 1:04:44.520 Husband, her husband Ezra. 1:04:44.800 --> 1:04:47.920 Yes, so a single point for him there, But he 1:04:48.000 --> 1:04:50.280 also like I don't know what did you make of him, 1:04:50.320 --> 1:04:54.760 because I think he definitely sucks. He's a pretentious asshole, yes, right, 1:04:55.160 --> 1:05:01.080 And he seems very resentful towards Taylor for the way 1:05:01.160 --> 1:05:03.880 that she's making money. 1:05:04.240 --> 1:05:09.280 For sure, And it's not clear if he is like 1:05:09.480 --> 1:05:14.120 intimidated by her success the way a lot of men 1:05:14.520 --> 1:05:17.720 in relationships with women who are like making more money 1:05:17.760 --> 1:05:21.240 than them is very threatening to those men. It's not 1:05:21.400 --> 1:05:23.680 clear if he's feeling that or if he's just like 1:05:24.800 --> 1:05:29.160 on his high horse about you know, self promotion and 1:05:29.280 --> 1:05:32.760 being super online, because those things are clear, but we 1:05:32.800 --> 1:05:35.880 don't know if there's like an underlying like misogyny thing 1:05:35.960 --> 1:05:37.240 happening or. 1:05:37.160 --> 1:05:39.480 I guess it kind of seems to me like there 1:05:39.480 --> 1:05:43.000 definitely was like, yeah, he's like the kind of person 1:05:43.040 --> 1:05:45.720 that sucks. Even when he's saying the right thing, you 1:05:45.800 --> 1:05:47.440 just feel like he's saying the right thing for the 1:05:47.480 --> 1:05:49.200 wrong reason, which I guess a lot of people in 1:05:49.280 --> 1:05:52.440 this movie are true, and that is a very common 1:05:53.120 --> 1:05:56.120 internet behavior, right, But like, yeah, he's acting like he's 1:05:56.160 --> 1:05:58.840 too good, like he's trying to have everything both ways 1:05:58.880 --> 1:06:01.800 and resenting no matter what the situation is. He resents 1:06:01.840 --> 1:06:04.400 Taylor as a result, And I don't even like Taylor, 1:06:04.520 --> 1:06:07.800 but I feel like he is an asshole because he's like, oh, 1:06:07.920 --> 1:06:11.840 self promotion is so gross, blah blah blah, But why 1:06:11.840 --> 1:06:14.680 aren't I making money as an artist? Like he just 1:06:14.720 --> 1:06:19.240 wants everything to be handed to him because he is 1:06:19.360 --> 1:06:21.840 a man, and look at my art, and everyone's a 1:06:22.040 --> 1:06:26.320 poser and a faker except for me. And meanwhile, you 1:06:26.360 --> 1:06:29.120 know his wife is paying all the bills because she 1:06:29.440 --> 1:06:33.800 is working, but he doesn't consider what she does. I mean, 1:06:33.880 --> 1:06:36.240 this is maybe me getting defense, but like he doesn't 1:06:36.280 --> 1:06:38.920 consider what she does real even though what she's doing 1:06:39.520 --> 1:06:44.560 is funding his lifestyle. So right, he can shut up 1:06:45.040 --> 1:06:47.560 or like not be in this relationship if you're not 1:06:47.640 --> 1:06:50.640 comfortable with that, But you can't just like be angry 1:06:51.280 --> 1:06:53.840 and passively benefit from it all the time. 1:06:54.360 --> 1:06:59.720 True. Also, and I'm not criticizing all like upcycled art 1:06:59.760 --> 1:07:02.160 because because I think some of it is very very cool, but. 1:07:02.160 --> 1:07:06.400 His art is it's right up there with Magic Mike. 1:07:06.880 --> 1:07:13.240 It's bad, Magic BIG's awful. Furniture, Yeah, all that Ezra 1:07:13.440 --> 1:07:18.840 is doing is taking existing paintings that he bought from 1:07:19.120 --> 1:07:22.880 thrift stores and then painting text on them that says 1:07:22.880 --> 1:07:27.160 like hashtag blessed or hashtag squad goals or any of those. 1:07:27.000 --> 1:07:31.400 Which was a thing like I remember that shit, and 1:07:31.480 --> 1:07:33.480 like they were right to make fun of it. It 1:07:33.560 --> 1:07:36.880 was ridiculous. Yeah, but yeah, he's a poser. He's a 1:07:36.920 --> 1:07:40.120 faker for sure, like the worst kind of poser, where 1:07:40.320 --> 1:07:42.960 his whole personality is predicated on the fact that he's 1:07:43.000 --> 1:07:46.760 definitely not a poster, which is like the worst, the 1:07:46.800 --> 1:07:47.920 worst kind of person. 1:07:48.240 --> 1:07:51.560 The movie is recognizing the irony of him being like, 1:07:51.800 --> 1:07:55.400 I'm a real artist. My art speaks for itself. I 1:07:55.920 --> 1:07:59.280 do art. And then you see his art and it's 1:07:59.360 --> 1:08:02.480 something that someone else made and then he just painted 1:08:02.520 --> 1:08:06.720 some letters on it. It's like, Okay, are you good 1:08:06.800 --> 1:08:08.520 at art? Question mark. 1:08:09.000 --> 1:08:11.440 I do think that, like, at very least, like his character, 1:08:11.640 --> 1:08:14.360 because I did not remember. It's a very very racist 1:08:14.480 --> 1:08:17.640 joke about virtually any Asian person because it is that 1:08:18.120 --> 1:08:21.920 vague and cruel, and I still don't think it was 1:08:22.000 --> 1:08:25.960 necessary because it does happen. I'm glad that his character 1:08:26.560 --> 1:08:29.759 calls it out, said something Yeah, yeah, and I understand. 1:08:29.800 --> 1:08:31.800 I mean, like, I think he's an interesting character to 1:08:31.840 --> 1:08:34.519 have there. It's like I recognize the type of person 1:08:35.120 --> 1:08:38.559 and it sort of contributes to like showing what And 1:08:38.600 --> 1:08:41.640 this is like kind of a mealy mouthed point that 1:08:41.640 --> 1:08:43.240 we've seen made in a lot of things with like 1:08:44.000 --> 1:08:48.720 social media is not real. But that's the point this 1:08:48.760 --> 1:08:50.800 movie is trying to make to some extent, And their 1:08:50.840 --> 1:08:55.000 marriage dynamic I think is like pretty interesting and unique, 1:08:55.040 --> 1:08:58.840 and like, even though I don't love Taylor as a 1:08:58.920 --> 1:09:05.000 character and her weird Joshua Tree gentrification hotel sounds awful, 1:09:05.880 --> 1:09:11.439 her husband is also sexist, so there's that. Her brother, 1:09:11.560 --> 1:09:15.600 I feel like, is character that didn't really work for me. 1:09:16.680 --> 1:09:20.599 He felt too cartoonish, I don't know. And also they 1:09:20.600 --> 1:09:24.799 were like, well he was struggling with or not dealing 1:09:24.880 --> 1:09:29.920 with his addiction problems, which is referenced several times, but 1:09:30.160 --> 1:09:35.040 really only seems to be there to add another way 1:09:35.160 --> 1:09:38.360 in which Taylor is being dishonest about her life or 1:09:38.400 --> 1:09:41.280 in denial about her life. But it's just like he 1:09:41.360 --> 1:09:44.040 sort of became like a plot device at some point 1:09:44.080 --> 1:09:47.439 where he's like he blackmails Ingrid and he gets kidd 1:09:47.560 --> 1:09:49.640 like all the high jinxy stuff is sort of with 1:09:49.800 --> 1:09:53.840 his character, and he's just my least favorite character. I 1:09:54.400 --> 1:09:57.519 don't like him. That's my feminist criticism. I don't like him. 1:09:58.720 --> 1:10:02.280 Wow hashtag genius once again, Yeah, thank you. He is 1:10:02.520 --> 1:10:07.879 quite cartoony, but I also feel like people like him exist, 1:10:08.080 --> 1:10:12.240 so for sure, I DeKay, but I just don't like him. 1:10:12.840 --> 1:10:15.400 I think the last thing I have to say about 1:10:15.439 --> 1:10:18.120 this movie, and it kind of goes back to the 1:10:18.240 --> 1:10:22.040 article you were referencing earlier about all of these examples 1:10:22.040 --> 1:10:25.560 of movies that center female friendship. But it's like a 1:10:25.600 --> 1:10:30.640 toxic stockery, obsessive kind of thing. And it's not that 1:10:30.880 --> 1:10:35.640 I think that all friendships between or among women in 1:10:35.960 --> 1:10:38.720 movies are portrayed that way, because obviously there are many 1:10:38.720 --> 1:10:42.559 examples that aren't. But the article does cite several movies 1:10:43.320 --> 1:10:49.120 that do show that dynamic, such as Swim Fan. I 1:10:49.160 --> 1:10:52.479 saw that movie, but I can't remember much about it. 1:10:52.600 --> 1:10:57.200 I have not seen it Swim Fan, and then Single 1:10:57.200 --> 1:11:01.000 White Female, which we covered many many years ago the show. 1:11:01.880 --> 1:11:06.600 But this movie wouldn't feel like, Wow, yet another installment 1:11:06.880 --> 1:11:12.559 in this type of friendship dynamic between women. If there 1:11:12.600 --> 1:11:17.679 were just more movies about friendship among women, because yeah, 1:11:17.720 --> 1:11:24.760 the director was citing other movies that inspired him. One 1:11:24.760 --> 1:11:27.440 of them was Single White Female. But he also references 1:11:28.040 --> 1:11:32.479 The Talented Mister Ripley and The King of Comedy, which, Jamie, 1:11:32.520 --> 1:11:33.360 have you seen that movie? 1:11:33.439 --> 1:11:34.240 I have not seen it. 1:11:34.280 --> 1:11:36.720 Now I've seen it a couple times. It's another very 1:11:36.840 --> 1:11:41.560 very stressful movie. Robert de Niro plays an aspiring comedian 1:11:41.560 --> 1:11:45.599 who's trying to get on like a late night talk show, 1:11:46.200 --> 1:11:49.360 like a Jimmy Carson kind of thing. Jimmy Carson, is 1:11:49.400 --> 1:11:50.960 that just Johnny Johnny Carson. 1:11:51.000 --> 1:11:53.519 I was like that, Well, we're so young, We're so young. 1:11:53.880 --> 1:11:56.759 Oh is this the movie that, like Todd Phillips Joker 1:11:56.840 --> 1:11:58.040 is kind of ripping off right? 1:11:58.400 --> 1:11:58.639 Yes? 1:11:58.720 --> 1:12:01.880 Okay, yeah, So he's a sessed with this talk show 1:12:01.960 --> 1:12:05.040 host and he's trying to get like a set to 1:12:05.080 --> 1:12:09.080 do stand up on a late night show and things 1:12:09.120 --> 1:12:12.400 go horribly wrong. So there's like a few movies referenced, 1:12:12.800 --> 1:12:16.240 like King of Comedy and Talented Mister Ripley that the 1:12:16.280 --> 1:12:20.479 filmmakers of Ingrid Goes West were pulling from that, you know, 1:12:20.560 --> 1:12:24.240 feature men. But because every other fucking movie in the 1:12:24.280 --> 1:12:27.600 world is about men. It doesn't feel like, oh, every 1:12:27.640 --> 1:12:31.320 movie that comes out is about men being obsessed and 1:12:31.400 --> 1:12:33.120 scary and violent. 1:12:33.400 --> 1:12:36.040 Right, I agree with you. I mean, maybe it's being older. 1:12:36.120 --> 1:12:39.120 Maybe it's just the way that the Internet has continued 1:12:39.160 --> 1:12:41.559 to evolve where I feel like I did have the 1:12:41.600 --> 1:12:45.519 information I needed. Would I have liked to see Taylor 1:12:45.600 --> 1:12:49.840 have an actual friend, sure, sure, like and see what 1:12:49.920 --> 1:12:52.599 does a functional friendship work like for her? But again, 1:12:52.800 --> 1:12:56.920 like across gender, it doesn't seem like really anyone in 1:12:56.960 --> 1:13:00.960 this movie is capable, except maybe Dan Pinto. I will say, like, 1:13:01.240 --> 1:13:04.960 you know, weird guy, and I don't really understand why 1:13:04.960 --> 1:13:08.559 he's putting up with the consequences of being with Ingrid 1:13:08.560 --> 1:13:11.519 to the extent that he is, but I do appreciate that, 1:13:11.640 --> 1:13:15.840 like he wants to know her, sure, and that is 1:13:16.120 --> 1:13:17.800 nice to see. And I feel like that's another way 1:13:17.800 --> 1:13:21.519 in which this movie does show that it is not 1:13:21.680 --> 1:13:27.320 openly contemptuous of Ingrid. And I understand why she is 1:13:27.439 --> 1:13:30.080 definitely starting by manipulating him so she doesn't get evicted, 1:13:30.200 --> 1:13:32.960 but I get why she ends up wanting to be 1:13:33.080 --> 1:13:35.280 with him more, even though it's like this complicated, like 1:13:35.560 --> 1:13:37.519 he is a means to an end to her as 1:13:37.560 --> 1:13:40.640 far as access to a car, access to housing, and 1:13:40.760 --> 1:13:45.320 access to enabling this lie. But also she needs someone 1:13:45.360 --> 1:13:49.439 to talk to about grief desperately, and he can relate 1:13:49.439 --> 1:13:51.280 with her about that. And I thought that that scene 1:13:51.320 --> 1:13:52.800 was I kind of wish that there was a little 1:13:52.800 --> 1:13:55.960 more done with that relationship to develop it, because normally 1:13:56.000 --> 1:13:58.519 I'm like, I don't need the boyfriend's side plot. I 1:13:58.520 --> 1:14:02.479 think it is kind of interesting here, but yeah, it 1:14:02.560 --> 1:14:04.559 kind of tapers off, and then the way at the end, 1:14:04.640 --> 1:14:06.720 I feel bad for Dan Pinto. I'm like, get out 1:14:06.760 --> 1:14:09.280 of there. Dant like, no, we need to get Ingrid 1:14:09.360 --> 1:14:14.439 into good stable care so that she can recover, and 1:14:14.520 --> 1:14:17.600 we need Dan Pinto to like, I don't know, like 1:14:17.840 --> 1:14:20.320 give up the ghosts and move on. Well. 1:14:20.400 --> 1:14:23.360 Yeah, the thing is every character in this movie is 1:14:23.439 --> 1:14:27.720 characterized as someone who is like not very capable of 1:14:27.960 --> 1:14:31.720 healthy human relationships, because Dan Pinto's thing is he's a 1:14:31.760 --> 1:14:35.439 pushover who like lets people walk all over him, and 1:14:35.520 --> 1:14:38.960 he's manipulated by Ingrid constantly. 1:14:39.200 --> 1:14:41.760 And there's plenty of Dan Pinto's in the world, I know. 1:14:42.560 --> 1:14:47.360 And then that scene where Ingrid and Dan Pinto are 1:14:47.400 --> 1:14:53.519 talking about losing their parents. I almost read that as 1:14:54.560 --> 1:15:00.479 she seized an opportunity to yeah, because she's again constantly 1:15:00.520 --> 1:15:04.960 trying to endear people to her. Yeah, and he's opening 1:15:05.040 --> 1:15:07.519 up and talking about this grief and you know, he 1:15:07.680 --> 1:15:10.559 was orphaned as a child and that's why he's so 1:15:10.640 --> 1:15:13.400 attached to Batman and you know, really laying it all 1:15:13.439 --> 1:15:16.400 out there, and rather than being like she says a 1:15:16.520 --> 1:15:21.040 couple things about losing her mom to him, but to me, 1:15:21.360 --> 1:15:24.960 it was she sees this as an opportunity to basically 1:15:25.000 --> 1:15:28.280 further manipulate him into dating her so that she can 1:15:28.320 --> 1:15:32.799 continue using him, because like, she doesn't really continue the conversation, 1:15:32.880 --> 1:15:36.160 she just kind of surprise kisses him. Really she does, 1:15:36.840 --> 1:15:40.400 and then they have Batman catwoman sex. 1:15:41.520 --> 1:15:44.840 So yes, I agree with you. Maybe i'm five D 1:15:45.040 --> 1:15:48.640 chessing because I'm like, but I also feel like it 1:15:48.680 --> 1:15:52.719 doesn't seem like she is at a stage in her 1:15:53.080 --> 1:15:57.080 grieving where she It made me sad to see this 1:15:57.200 --> 1:16:01.400 opportunity for her to genuinely connect with some one, but 1:16:01.520 --> 1:16:05.280 she's so fixated on this other thing that is not 1:16:05.520 --> 1:16:10.799 real that she's just fumbling it because she's not able 1:16:10.920 --> 1:16:14.400 to you know, and not that she has to connect 1:16:14.600 --> 1:16:18.960 with this specific person, but like it's frustrating and frustrating 1:16:18.960 --> 1:16:22.280 in a way that didn't feel uncharitable to her. But 1:16:22.680 --> 1:16:24.920 I've been in those I think everyone's been in those 1:16:24.960 --> 1:16:28.320 positions where you're so fixated on this other thing that 1:16:28.400 --> 1:16:31.040 you think is going to make you happy that something 1:16:31.479 --> 1:16:35.879 or someone who could actually provide a genuine connection passes 1:16:35.920 --> 1:16:37.720 you by because you just like are not in a 1:16:37.920 --> 1:16:41.200 place where you can see it. And especially because she's 1:16:41.200 --> 1:16:43.760 an act of mental health crisis. I feel awful for 1:16:43.880 --> 1:16:48.120 Dan Pinto, who seems to genuinely want a relationship with her, 1:16:48.240 --> 1:16:50.960 even though that seems like it's connected to a lot 1:16:50.960 --> 1:16:55.960 of his issues. Yeah, but that she has this opportunity 1:16:56.040 --> 1:16:58.120 right in front of her to genuinely connect with someone 1:16:58.560 --> 1:17:00.720 and can't see it for what it is, and that 1:17:00.880 --> 1:17:03.040 is really sad to me. I feel bad for her. 1:17:03.840 --> 1:17:08.160 This movie kind of fumbles other mental illnesses in the 1:17:08.360 --> 1:17:11.840 pursuit of doing this, but like very clearly demonstrates that 1:17:11.840 --> 1:17:16.840 social media is an addiction, and that it is an 1:17:16.840 --> 1:17:21.920 addiction that people don't understand, that is exacerbated by any 1:17:21.960 --> 1:17:24.400 other number of factors, and which for her seems like 1:17:24.560 --> 1:17:31.200 some sort of obsessive tendency and grief and depression, and 1:17:31.479 --> 1:17:34.080 like I probably talked about this on the show before, 1:17:34.160 --> 1:17:36.800 but when I was probably around this time, it was 1:17:36.840 --> 1:17:40.080 maybe a little sooner, like twenty sixteen, but I had 1:17:40.240 --> 1:17:43.880 and have OCD and it was getting so bad with 1:17:44.080 --> 1:17:49.880 specific relation to social media that I was luckily able 1:17:49.960 --> 1:17:54.320 to find a therapist who is willing to really scale 1:17:54.400 --> 1:17:58.000 his prices so that I could go into exposure therapy 1:17:58.320 --> 1:18:01.439 for social media, which the time I didn't really talk 1:18:01.439 --> 1:18:04.240 about because it is no one's business, and also I 1:18:04.320 --> 1:18:07.200 was embarrassed by it because it didn't sound like a 1:18:07.240 --> 1:18:11.160 thing that existed. But literally what the sessions were were 1:18:11.439 --> 1:18:14.720 I would go on Twitter with my therapist and we 1:18:14.760 --> 1:18:17.760 would scroll through and we would go through, like, well, 1:18:17.800 --> 1:18:19.320 what does this bring up for you? What does this 1:18:19.360 --> 1:18:21.400 bring up for you? And I was in such a 1:18:21.439 --> 1:18:27.360 bad place OCD wise that everything was an active threat 1:18:28.080 --> 1:18:33.599 and I was so spun into anxiety by looking at 1:18:33.600 --> 1:18:36.080 these things and also could not, for the life of 1:18:36.080 --> 1:18:39.439 me stop and it took I mean, we did this 1:18:40.120 --> 1:18:42.960 for a couple of months until I couldn't afford it anymore. 1:18:43.120 --> 1:18:46.400 We did it, and it really did help, and it 1:18:46.439 --> 1:18:49.160 did I mean, I don't think anyone has a healthy 1:18:49.200 --> 1:18:52.600 relationship to social media, but it certainly did turn a 1:18:52.640 --> 1:18:56.120 corner for me, and then maybe some backsliding during the 1:18:56.160 --> 1:19:00.559 pandemic who among us. I mean, I'm like, maybe I 1:19:00.560 --> 1:19:02.880 should talk about this on the other show, but like 1:19:02.920 --> 1:19:05.120 I had such a bad relationship with social media that 1:19:05.160 --> 1:19:08.559 it was like actively, you know, not to the extent 1:19:08.600 --> 1:19:12.200 that Ingrid. Ingrid is in a pretty extreme circumstance, but like, 1:19:12.840 --> 1:19:15.559 I'm glad to know that both Aubrey Plaza and the 1:19:15.600 --> 1:19:19.160 writer directors like empathize with her because I think everyone 1:19:19.200 --> 1:19:21.760 has had some experience like this, and then mine like 1:19:22.160 --> 1:19:23.920 going back, I'm like, maybe I didn't like it the 1:19:23.920 --> 1:19:26.080 first time I saw it because I didn't like the 1:19:26.120 --> 1:19:28.800 parts of myself that I saw in her, because it's 1:19:28.840 --> 1:19:32.280 really uncomfortable, and also just to see it in a 1:19:32.360 --> 1:19:35.040 time where you know, now, I still don't think that 1:19:35.080 --> 1:19:38.479 there's really a lot of practical treatment. And I feel like, 1:19:38.520 --> 1:19:39.840 you know, if you're having a hard time with your 1:19:39.920 --> 1:19:42.639 relationship with social media, most people will be like shut up, 1:19:42.720 --> 1:19:46.720 touch grass and like very unhelpful. Ugh, And I just 1:19:46.760 --> 1:19:49.040 I can't get over like people are saying touch grass 1:19:49.040 --> 1:19:52.920 to you on the internet, like, shut up, You're just 1:19:52.960 --> 1:19:56.240 as bad and maybe worse. But I guess that's my 1:19:56.320 --> 1:19:58.000 last thing I have to say about this movie. It 1:19:58.040 --> 1:20:00.280 was interesting to revisit it because I think I is 1:20:00.960 --> 1:20:04.840 ashamed and uncomfortable of the parts of me that I 1:20:04.880 --> 1:20:08.600 saw in Ingrid, and also didn't like how hopeless the 1:20:08.760 --> 1:20:12.080 end was, because I saw myself in this character and 1:20:12.120 --> 1:20:17.080 to see her so clearly about to be sucked into 1:20:17.160 --> 1:20:22.439 the same cycle again is devastating. I will say, for 1:20:22.479 --> 1:20:25.320 anyone who's struggling with this or has in the past, 1:20:25.560 --> 1:20:28.400 there are ways to improve it, a lot of it. 1:20:28.479 --> 1:20:30.599 I mean again, like if I hadn't met I literally 1:20:30.640 --> 1:20:34.280 met this therapist in the hospital. It was like shortly 1:20:34.320 --> 1:20:36.360 before the podcast started. This would have been in June 1:20:36.400 --> 1:20:39.600 twenty sixteen, when all this was happening. But like, you know, 1:20:39.600 --> 1:20:42.760 if I hadn't met a psychiatrist in the hospital, where 1:20:42.760 --> 1:20:46.240 I also could not afford in or outpatient treatment, this 1:20:46.400 --> 1:20:50.760 hospital psychologist let me just sleep in the er overnight 1:20:50.840 --> 1:20:55.560 because I was so worked up, and he really generously 1:20:55.640 --> 1:20:59.280 offered to give me care that I would not have 1:20:59.360 --> 1:21:04.280 had access to otherwise. And it did genuinely change, you know, 1:21:04.439 --> 1:21:06.559 not completely fix. I don't know that it's something that 1:21:06.600 --> 1:21:11.320 can completely be fixed, but improved my relationships. So there 1:21:11.439 --> 1:21:15.760 are ways. Unfortunately they're almost always, especially if you live 1:21:15.960 --> 1:21:19.680 in the US, there's significant barriers, but there's Yeah, there 1:21:19.720 --> 1:21:24.719 are ways. So if you're struggling, babe, you could be okay. 1:21:24.840 --> 1:21:27.559 You co'd be okay, Jamie, thank you for sharing that. 1:21:28.400 --> 1:21:29.240 I love to share. 1:21:31.520 --> 1:21:38.719 It's healthy to share and demonstrates the broken healthcare system 1:21:39.040 --> 1:21:45.479 in this country, because care that is helpful and life 1:21:45.479 --> 1:21:51.120 saving shouldn't be unaffordable. Jamie, is there anything else you 1:21:51.800 --> 1:21:54.000 want to talk about with this movie? 1:21:54.680 --> 1:21:57.559 I don't really think so. I feel bad, but that's 1:21:57.600 --> 1:22:00.360 what this movie wants me to do. So it's good. 1:22:01.080 --> 1:22:04.320 Right, It's effective in what it's set out to do. Yes, 1:22:04.760 --> 1:22:08.639 it does pass the Bechdel test quite a bit. 1:22:08.840 --> 1:22:14.920 Yes, many times over. Yeah, it's women having complicated feelings 1:22:14.960 --> 1:22:18.679 about how they perceive each other. Yeah, which I am 1:22:19.080 --> 1:22:23.080 always especially when there's even an iota of thought put 1:22:23.080 --> 1:22:26.960 into it. I'm always interested in movies about how women 1:22:27.040 --> 1:22:30.200 view other women or how they're conditioned or whatever, because 1:22:30.200 --> 1:22:32.240 it's like, it's very valid, and I think this movie 1:22:32.479 --> 1:22:36.519 gets across that misogyny is so prominent among men. Wow, 1:22:36.600 --> 1:22:41.200 amazing observation, Jamie hashtag genius, thank you. But just seeing 1:22:41.240 --> 1:22:47.679 how people of marginalized genders have internalized and project at others. 1:22:47.720 --> 1:22:50.280 It's very common and I feel like it is hard 1:22:51.000 --> 1:22:55.040 to write clearly, and this movie is touch and go 1:22:55.120 --> 1:22:56.720 on it. But I think that that is like a 1:22:56.760 --> 1:23:00.559 worthwhile thing to continue exploring for sure. 1:23:00.760 --> 1:23:03.680 Yeah, as far as our nipple scale goes zero to 1:23:03.720 --> 1:23:08.400 five nipples rating the movie based on examining it through 1:23:08.640 --> 1:23:12.080 an intersectional feminist lens. I think this movie is attempting 1:23:12.240 --> 1:23:18.640 to comment on interesting things, things that are pretty complicated 1:23:18.960 --> 1:23:23.960 and that I feel like society and medical science still 1:23:24.000 --> 1:23:28.880 doesn't know that much about. And because the filmmakers did 1:23:28.920 --> 1:23:34.559 not approach this with the intention of wanting to cast 1:23:34.600 --> 1:23:39.560 a lot of judgment on a tendency to be influenced 1:23:39.640 --> 1:23:45.559 by influencers, they, as they describe it, were empathetic toward 1:23:46.040 --> 1:23:48.840 the ingrid character and they related to her and they 1:23:48.840 --> 1:23:52.080 were like, we also feel bad when we look at Instagram. 1:23:52.200 --> 1:23:55.880 And again, there is more nuance to a lot of 1:23:56.000 --> 1:24:00.599 the characters than I guess I've been conditioned to expect 1:24:00.640 --> 1:24:07.240 because so many movies made by men are pretty relentless, 1:24:07.320 --> 1:24:11.599 especially when it comes to characters who are women, and 1:24:12.200 --> 1:24:17.040 casting a lot of judgment on them for things, again, 1:24:17.120 --> 1:24:21.920 like things that men tend to reinforce. I'm always reminded of, 1:24:21.960 --> 1:24:27.280 like the example of when men will be like, oh, 1:24:27.320 --> 1:24:30.160 why are you taking so long to get ready? Like 1:24:30.200 --> 1:24:34.559 they'll like be rate their girlfriend or whatever for taking 1:24:34.560 --> 1:24:36.519 so long to get ready, and it's like, I don't know, 1:24:36.560 --> 1:24:40.479 maybe it's because if a woman doesn't put on makeup 1:24:40.640 --> 1:24:43.720 and style their hair meticulously and shave off all of 1:24:43.760 --> 1:24:46.720 their body hair and wear certain clothes and all of 1:24:46.760 --> 1:24:49.400 this stuff, you'll think that she's disgusting. 1:24:49.720 --> 1:24:50.680 Go figure. 1:24:51.360 --> 1:24:55.800 Yeah, So I appreciate that the movie isn't casting that 1:24:56.000 --> 1:24:58.760 level of judgment on this, but the way that it's 1:24:58.880 --> 1:25:04.560 representing mental health and someone who's experiencing a mental health crisis, 1:25:05.160 --> 1:25:09.600 I wish it had been handled better, slash differently. And 1:25:09.640 --> 1:25:14.200 I would have liked to see this premise written and 1:25:14.240 --> 1:25:17.320 directed by women because I think it would have been 1:25:17.360 --> 1:25:18.880 handled a lot differently. 1:25:19.000 --> 1:25:19.439 Agree. 1:25:19.920 --> 1:25:23.000 Yeah, So with that in mind, I don't know, this 1:25:23.080 --> 1:25:24.880 is one of those movies that, like does the nipple 1:25:24.920 --> 1:25:29.760 scale even a plot like it's challenging it's complicated. 1:25:29.880 --> 1:25:32.920 I mean, it's hard to do the nipple scale with satire. 1:25:33.160 --> 1:25:36.920 Yes, so maybe I'll just do a split down the 1:25:36.960 --> 1:25:39.719 middle because I don't know what else to do. And also, 1:25:40.560 --> 1:25:43.840 even though this is the most important metric of all time, 1:25:44.120 --> 1:25:47.760 it also doesn't matter. So two and a half nipples, 1:25:47.840 --> 1:25:53.519 and I'll give one to roth Coo the Dog, I'll 1:25:53.520 --> 1:26:00.840 give one to Dan Pinto's Batman Forever Soundtrack CD, and 1:26:01.280 --> 1:26:08.000 I'll give my half nipple to the lamp that cost 1:26:08.240 --> 1:26:11.120 twelve hundred dollars. 1:26:11.320 --> 1:26:15.360 I'm gonna go three. I'll go three on this one. Yeah, 1:26:15.400 --> 1:26:19.360 this movie is imperfect, but better than I remembered. And 1:26:19.560 --> 1:26:22.400 I feel maybe I'm giving it more credit because I 1:26:22.400 --> 1:26:24.960 feel like I went on a personal journey and like 1:26:25.080 --> 1:26:28.360 was in conversation with past Jamie by watching this movie. 1:26:28.400 --> 1:26:30.720 But I like what it's trying to do. I don't 1:26:30.760 --> 1:26:33.160 think that it's doing it successfully, but I think it's 1:26:33.240 --> 1:26:35.840 doing it better than I've seen so far, which speaks 1:26:35.840 --> 1:26:39.320 to your point is that there is a need for 1:26:39.400 --> 1:26:44.920 a good movie about social media that is driven by 1:26:45.640 --> 1:26:49.160 really anyone but white guys, and I think it works 1:26:49.240 --> 1:26:51.479 in the thriller format. I mean there's so many different 1:26:51.479 --> 1:26:53.360 ways to talk about it. But I think that there 1:26:53.439 --> 1:26:57.959 is like an even better social media satire out there TVD. 1:26:58.640 --> 1:27:00.479 But for what we have, I think that this movie 1:27:00.520 --> 1:27:02.800 it's just way better than I remembered it, and it 1:27:02.840 --> 1:27:05.960 made me think in ways I wasn't expecting to. I 1:27:06.000 --> 1:27:08.080 do think that, Yeah, mainly for me, the way that 1:27:08.120 --> 1:27:14.280 mental health is treated differently from sequence to sequence is challenging, 1:27:14.360 --> 1:27:18.720 and I really don't like on screen suicide attempts im 1:27:18.760 --> 1:27:22.320 docking it. For that, I think that that's what I 1:27:22.360 --> 1:27:23.040 have to say. 1:27:23.439 --> 1:27:27.719 Woohoo, Jamie, tell us more about where we can listen 1:27:27.760 --> 1:27:29.559 to and find Well, wait, I didn't get to give 1:27:29.560 --> 1:27:29.880 my nip. 1:27:30.000 --> 1:27:33.719 Sorry, sorry, Okay, I'm giving one to Aubrey, I'm giving 1:27:33.760 --> 1:27:36.880 one to Elizabeth, and I'm giving one to Osha. Keep 1:27:36.920 --> 1:27:41.360 it simple, nice now tell us yes. So sixteenth Minute. 1:27:41.400 --> 1:27:44.520 The first episode of sixteenth Minute came out on Tuesday, 1:27:44.600 --> 1:27:48.559 May seventh. It is about Antoine Dodson of the bed 1:27:48.600 --> 1:27:49.960 Intruder song Fame. 1:27:50.120 --> 1:27:52.160 Wait was that the Hyder kids hide your wife? 1:27:52.400 --> 1:27:55.639 Mm hmmmm, I remember? And that is sort of how 1:27:55.640 --> 1:28:00.880 every episode of sixteenth Minute works, where it's sort of like, oh, right, 1:28:01.160 --> 1:28:04.640 that person and then we talk about it. And I 1:28:04.640 --> 1:28:08.040 spoke with Antoine Dodson for this episode as well as 1:28:08.080 --> 1:28:12.880 other people, and some episodes are, you know, more intense 1:28:12.960 --> 1:28:15.400 than others. It sort of depends from story to story. 1:28:15.600 --> 1:28:18.040 Some of it's very silly and some of it is 1:28:18.040 --> 1:28:21.360 a little more in depth. So I think you'll enjoy it. 1:28:21.400 --> 1:28:24.919 If you like this show and you don't hate my Guts, 1:28:25.400 --> 1:28:27.280 I think that you will enjoy the show. And yes, 1:28:27.320 --> 1:28:30.479 it's also produced by Sophie Lichtmann and I'm very proud 1:28:30.520 --> 1:28:33.360 and excited about it. So please check it out if 1:28:33.439 --> 1:28:36.840 you want to learn more about how the Internet is 1:28:36.880 --> 1:28:40.600 poisoning the worlds yay. 1:28:41.439 --> 1:28:45.479 And then you can follow us on the normal places. Also, 1:28:46.640 --> 1:28:51.920 you can follow me on Instagram what Kaylen Dorante Jamie 1:28:51.960 --> 1:28:53.600 where can people follow you? 1:28:53.600 --> 1:28:57.160 You can follow me at Jamie christ Superstar on Instagram 1:28:57.160 --> 1:29:02.400 where I'm constantly not I also okay, last point, last point. 1:29:02.560 --> 1:29:04.479 I feel like this also came out at a time 1:29:04.560 --> 1:29:08.479 where it's like being dishonest about exactly what was going 1:29:08.520 --> 1:29:11.439 on in your life in social media was like bad 1:29:11.479 --> 1:29:13.040 and you're like, what do you want me to do? 1:29:13.479 --> 1:29:17.040 Post to thousands of people that like Taylor is supposed 1:29:17.040 --> 1:29:19.840 to post to thousands of people that she's having difficulty 1:29:19.840 --> 1:29:24.480 in her marriage, like, what is the expectation? Anyways, No, anyways, 1:29:24.560 --> 1:29:28.320 you can see me misrepresenting my mental health state probably 1:29:28.760 --> 1:29:31.560 on my Instagram at jamiechrist Superstar. 1:29:31.920 --> 1:29:35.680 And you can see me not really posting anything on 1:29:35.680 --> 1:29:41.720 my grid, but know that I am watching cat videos 1:29:41.800 --> 1:29:46.400 and crying because of all of the stuff I'm learning 1:29:46.479 --> 1:29:50.839 about the genocides happening across the world. 1:29:51.479 --> 1:29:51.840 Got it? 1:29:52.720 --> 1:29:57.720 Follow us on social media at Bechdelcast, and we've got 1:29:57.720 --> 1:30:02.400 a Patreon aka Matreon that is at patreon dot com 1:30:02.400 --> 1:30:06.080 slash Bechdel Cast. You get two bonus episodes every month 1:30:06.320 --> 1:30:10.120 on a fun little theme that we cook up. This 1:30:10.240 --> 1:30:15.439 month is my birthday month, and so we are doing 1:30:16.120 --> 1:30:20.880 some of my favorite Pixar movies. 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