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Speaker 1: This this One Bill's Live presented by Calllida Health. All right,

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Speaker 1: how's everybody doing on this Tuesday? Chris Brown, Steve Tasker.

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Speaker 1: One Bill's Live is your show of choice. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: making it your choice this afternoon and joining us. As

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Speaker 1: we press into the off season. We will still take

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Speaker 1: a look back at the season that was today with

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Speaker 1: our topic of discussion, which we'll get to in just

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Speaker 1: a little bit. And we are we are in snow season.

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Speaker 1: Got four inches last night supposed to get you got

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Speaker 1: four inches? Oh yeah, I don't think I got that.

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Speaker 1: It was coming. I guess the Lake Effect was coming

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Speaker 1: out of the northwest. I guess, uh, everybody up along

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Speaker 1: Lake Ontario got crushed. Oh your schools closed up there

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Speaker 1: to see I got like Madonna and those they're all

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Speaker 1: closed to winds.

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Speaker 2: Oh it was windy, they got high wind. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I'm like my dog, Vern was like panicking.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, my dog doesn't like when the windows are rattling.

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Speaker 2: But you know, other than that, and I thought then

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Speaker 2: that you could feel a house like, you know, creaking.

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Speaker 2: It was big, so but other than that, I didn't

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Speaker 2: think even got it because I got it was blowing

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Speaker 2: drifts and stuff.

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Speaker 1: I got four inches of snow. So there I am

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Speaker 1: this morning again before heading out to work, you know,

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Speaker 1: getting the shoveling, and we're supposed to get more tonight.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna get yeah, like forty eight. I'll say

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Speaker 2: this people, I tell you, I always make fun of

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Speaker 2: Buffalo when i'm when I talk to people from other places,

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Speaker 2: because you know, keeps keep the riff raff out right

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Speaker 2: if they think it's yeah, So I tell people, when

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Speaker 2: you know the weather, you know, weathermen have the whatever

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Speaker 2: reputation you think. Weathermen have their right half the time,

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Speaker 2: and people that pretty good when they predict snow and Buffalo,

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Speaker 2: they are always right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they've heard an interesting statistic I want to say.

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Speaker 1: I heard that from Patrick Hammer this morning, one of

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Speaker 1: the local mediorologists here said, all of our snowfall to

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Speaker 1: this point has been lake effect snow. No like storm

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Speaker 1: systems have blown through and dropped snow on us. You

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Speaker 1: know what I mean, like weather systems coming through and

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Speaker 1: dropping snow on It's been all lake effects, which is

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Speaker 1: going to be reduced now because with that cold snap

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Speaker 1: we had last week, part of part of the lake

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Speaker 1: I think is still frozen. I don't think it's part

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Speaker 2: Has no idea what any of that means.

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Speaker 1: Well, when well think of it like putting a lid

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Speaker 1: on the lake, you can't have lake effects. No, can't

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Speaker 1: be picked up into the atmosphere.

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Speaker 2: I did know that. Yeah, and this lake's not freezing.

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Speaker 2: Part of it is part of it is not all

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Speaker 2: of it. Where is the is it the east, Well,

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Speaker 2: it's usually the edges, Yeah, it is the edges. Or

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Speaker 2: does the does it freeze and then blow towards the

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Speaker 2: buffalo because it.

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Speaker 1: You know, as long as part of it's frozen, there's

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Speaker 1: less moisture that can be picked up in I get.

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Speaker 1: I get that. Well, it hasn't had cares where the

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Speaker 1: ice it has been closed. Yeah, we had that cold

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Speaker 1: snaps weak or so ago. So yeah, helping that helps,

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Speaker 2: But I don't know what the difference between a singer

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Speaker 2: FINGERU weather of snow lake finger whatever, what system? Weather system?

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Speaker 1: Just talking about it, like you know, when rain blows

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Speaker 2: It, it's just like lake effect. It blows up, picks

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Speaker 2: up the lake water and drops it on us.

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Speaker 1: That's what it is. There's a like a low pressure

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Speaker 1: coming through low pressure. To him, here comes rain.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know what you're talking the same thing

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Speaker 2: in the winter. That's way too.

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Speaker 1: We haven't had any of those, is all right? Fine,

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Speaker 1: it's been all lake effect. Let me.

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Speaker 2: I'll just say this. I do not care. It's snow

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Speaker 2: at just the same weather.

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Speaker 1: Well, that is true.

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Speaker 2: Whether it's a it's a make effect. It all shovels

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Speaker 2: and plows the same proleavage.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's right, I could.

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Speaker 2: I will agree to tell me when it's coming, tell

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Speaker 2: me how much, and let me get get ready for it.

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Speaker 1: And as and Steve has been a victim of this,

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Speaker 1: but I was a victim today. I get to work

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Speaker 1: I'm just like, and look, can you get through a

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Speaker 1: it was the right, if we were still in season,

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Speaker 1: i'd probably have to go back and get it. With

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Speaker 1: the season over, I can probably get away with it.

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Speaker 2: See, if not me, I I am I like a

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Speaker 2: twelve minute drive.

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Speaker 1: I'm home, I'm.

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Speaker 2: Almost a half.

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Speaker 1: I'm not spending an extra hour in the car after

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Speaker 1: just getting to work. I am going just to go

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Speaker 1: back and get my phone. That is not happening.

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Speaker 2: You're right, though, I mean all of us feel that way.

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Speaker 2: It is the worst. It's just like you're not. You

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Speaker 2: don't feel normal at all, which is kind of sad.

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Speaker 1: It is sad but true.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, absolutely, very much factual. You just can't in

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Speaker 2: this day and age, you kind of can't function without one.

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Speaker 1: So you know, I'll go home later this afternoon and

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Speaker 1: rifle through my thirty emails and fifty ten texts and

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Speaker 1: see what the heck happened, and.

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Speaker 2: I text you just because I know you can't answer it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, sure, I'll appreciate that after this, so.

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Speaker 2: I could add one to your little total on your

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Speaker 2: little icon. That is great.

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Speaker 1: I look forward to that.

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Speaker 2: That makes me feel good that I can do that now.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that is the power you now have over me,

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Speaker 1: because I don't know any.

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Speaker 2: Phone text you knowing you can't read it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, believe it or not. We do have some bills,

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Speaker 1: news and notes to pass along to you, and we'll

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Speaker 1: do that now because you know there was some stuff

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Speaker 1: going on both postseason wise and contraction contract wise. So

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Speaker 1: James Cook and Connor McGovern are going to the Pro Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Both were I believe both were first alternates. They'll be

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Speaker 1: replacing Baltimore's Dereck Henry Kansas City's Creed Humphrey. Humphrey obviously

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Speaker 1: can't participate because he'll be preparing for the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: For Cook, it's his second Pro Bowl and for McGovern

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Speaker 1: I believe it's his first.

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Speaker 2: So how about McGovern because remember, and this is typical

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Speaker 2: of this season, where the expectations were, they were where

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Speaker 2: they were before the Bills vastly out exceeded them. Think

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Speaker 2: don't know, Mitch was pretty good. Connor mcgovernor, I don't

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Speaker 2: know how he's gonna do. Is you know, is he

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Speaker 2: going to be any good? That was just one of

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Speaker 2: about nine thousand question marks the Bills had in that

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Speaker 2: last off season, and by and large, all those questions

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Speaker 2: were answered with an emphatic yes. The line was the

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Speaker 2: right move. The offensive line was.

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Speaker 1: Maybe the most consistent part of this team all season. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they were and got better as the season went on.

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Speaker 2: They were good, man, they were really good, and Connor

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Speaker 2: McGovern's a big part of it. Congratulations to him on

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Speaker 2: moving positions and going to the Pro Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. There were also some roster moves, which this is typical.

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Speaker 1: When the season is over, teams, I believe have one

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Speaker 1: week to sign their practice squad members to reserve futures

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Speaker 1: I think within a week of your season ending, they

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Speaker 1: Bills signed seven members of their practice squad. Back They

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Speaker 1: are cornerback to Corey Kouch, who was an undrafted rookie

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Speaker 1: this year. Offensive lineman Mike Edwards, also an undrafted rookie,

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Speaker 1: Frank Gore junior same, Richard Garage who's been here for

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Speaker 1: then one other bit of housekeeping, the Bills re signed

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Speaker 1: offensive tackle Ryan Vandermark, who was slated to become an

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Speaker 1: exclusive rights free agent. For all intents and purposes, it

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Speaker 1: Sometimes that stretches into the off season a little bit,

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Speaker 1: but clearly Van Dermark wanted to get it done before

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Speaker 1: he left after exit interviews, physicals, and locker clean out,

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Speaker 1: he was going to become an exclusive rights free agent

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Speaker 1: On the show yesterday, he was defending teammate and fellow

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Speaker 1: tight endal And Kincaid because a lot of questions came

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Speaker 1: Kincaid has been battling a torn pcl in one of

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Speaker 1: he was on the team's injury report each and every week,

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Speaker 1: it slowed him down. He was not the same player

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Speaker 1: and it compromised his play for the rest of the year.

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Speaker 1: But just kind of gutted it out and played, finishing

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Speaker 2: He was not the same player, and I think it

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Speaker 2: was obvious. But you know, that's the way ball players

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Speaker 2: here for. That's what you know. You invest all this

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Speaker 2: a half five months to make it happen. And if

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Speaker 2: you're not healthy, you don't care. Yeah, you got plenty

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Speaker 2: of time to heal up in March. Yeah, and that's

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Speaker 2: kind of the mantra.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of Dalton Kincaid, it looks like the Baltimore Ravens

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Speaker 1: universe is returning the favor to Bill's Mafia and Kincaid

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Speaker 1: after Mark Andrews fourth quarter drop on the two point

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Speaker 1: conversion in the divisional playoff against the Bills. As we know,

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Speaker 1: Bill's Mafia started to go fundme page to back his

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Speaker 1: juvenile diabetes charity in the AFC title game. We know

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Speaker 1: what happened with Kincaid, So Ravens fans apparently wanted to

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Speaker 1: return the favor. They started to go fundme to back

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Speaker 1: the autism foundation that Kincaid advocates for. So good on

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Speaker 1: the Ravens fans. The people are Ravens flock. See. But

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Speaker 1: that's you got to credit Bill's mafia again because their

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Speaker 1: Topic of discussion for you today as we kind of

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Speaker 6: Sure, I want to talk some revisionist history. Now, the

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Speaker 2: And I'll say this too, now, you you'd be just

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Speaker 2: the division was a dumpster fire outside of Buffalo.

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Speaker 1: I think we thought New England was going to have

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Speaker 1: a tough go of.

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Speaker 2: It, right, we knew they but actually they were probably

439
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Speaker 2: as surprising too as well as Drake may played. Now,

440
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Speaker 2: the didn't win games, but they found their guy, yeah,

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Speaker 2: which I think I was a little surprised at. And

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Speaker 2: the Jets and the Dolphins, Yeah that was.

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Speaker 1: The Bills pretty much ended the Dolphins season in Week

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Speaker 1: two by not by any fault of their own. I

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Speaker 1: mean Tua ran headlong into Demorrow Hamlin and concussed himself

446
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Speaker 1: and went on injured reserve and missed the next four games,

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Speaker 1: and then he missed some more time later in the season.

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Speaker 1: So I mean that kind of sunk their season because

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Speaker 1: that team might be more well. I would say a

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Speaker 1: lot of teams are clearly quarterback dependent, with a huge

451
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Speaker 1: drop off if you go to your back up. But

452
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Speaker 1: the Dolphins are largely an offensive team and little else.

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Speaker 1: And look, Anthony Weaver, their defensive coordinator, did a great

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Speaker 1: job in the second half of the season with a

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Speaker 1: short handed crew. I mean, they were top ten across

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Speaker 1: the board by the end of the season because of

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Speaker 1: what Anthony Weaver did, which is why he's getting head

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Speaker 1: coaching interviews, most most recently in New Orleans. Right, But

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Speaker 1: if I if you want me to handicap next year,

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Speaker 1: as long as the Patriots have a good draft class,

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Speaker 1: that's the next team you got to look out for.

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Speaker 1: I think that's the next That's that team is gonna

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Speaker 1: be the next one to contend with Buffalo legitimately in.

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Speaker 2: This New England. Yes, yeah, I agree. I agree, because

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Speaker 2: they're gonna they're gonna be smart. They won't be a

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Speaker 2: great head coach and they got and yeah, they're gonna

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Speaker 2: be reflect their head coach. They're gonna be tough and

468
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Speaker 2: extremely smart, and their situational football will be second to none.

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Speaker 2: And they're gonna be tough to beat. They're gonna be

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Speaker 2: exactly like the Bills were when they when McDermott got

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Speaker 2: here with and Tyrod was the quarterback. There's tough to beat.

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Speaker 2: And that's and that'll be That'll be the way they are.

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, New England is the is the team

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Speaker 2: that is going to take another step forward. I think

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Speaker 2: he started at ver well because they have a lot

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Speaker 2: of holes they do. They need a draft well, which

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Speaker 2: they have not done. But they also I think will

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Speaker 2: be Like I said, it'll depend on who Vabel hires,

479
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Speaker 2: and he's starting to fill his staff out and the

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Speaker 2: pretty good.

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Speaker 1: I think they're over one hundred million under the cap too,

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Speaker 1: so they have money.

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Speaker 2: Right, and that that money is crucial to how they play.

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Speaker 2: They could get better in a big hurry.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to Gary in Angola. What's up, Gary?

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Speaker 8: Hey, how are you guys doing?

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Speaker 2: Doing good?

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Speaker 8: Listening to Tasker on the radio, going to work all

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Speaker 8: the time. I really thought the Bills were too predictable

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Speaker 8: during the game with the toast push.

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Speaker 9: M hm.

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Speaker 8: What was the one about midfield when Josh hung the

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Speaker 8: wall over the line and they called it no good?

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Speaker 2: No, that one he got, No, the one he he

495
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Speaker 2: leaped over the top, he got got that one he

496
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Speaker 2: did fumble it and got it back. And then the

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Speaker 2: other one was the one they just tried to just

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Speaker 2: they turned him bore straight ahead and they got him

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Speaker 2: going sideways and they couldn't get a him forward momentum. So, uh,

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Speaker 2: that's the one they missed. But you're right, everybody in

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Speaker 2: the entire country, all fifty seven million people watching that

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Speaker 2: game knew where that they were just going to run that,

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Speaker 2: and that's.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, after it didn't work twice, you can make an

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Speaker 1: argument to go to something else. I kind of get

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Speaker 1: the feeling that they thought, well, we're so successful with this,

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Speaker 1: the odds are in our favor now, having not gotten

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Speaker 1: two of them, we'll definitely get the next couple if

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Speaker 1: it comes to that. The Chiefs clearly had a plan

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Speaker 1: for it somewhat illegal, with Chris Jones lining up and

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Speaker 1: the neutral zone and crashing down on McGovern so he

512
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Speaker 1: can't help the left guard David Edwards push, so we

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Speaker 1: can call it bending the rules or what have you,

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Speaker 1: But the refs never called it, even though the Bills

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Speaker 1: pointed it out to them. So for whatever that's worth, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's go to Tom in Buffalo next. What's up Tom?

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Speaker 9: Hello?

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Speaker 1: How you doing?

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Speaker 2: Go ahead? Tom?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, guys, thanks for taking my call. I've got a

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Speaker 10: couple of things. You guys do a great job. By

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Speaker 10: the way, but with three thirty three left in the game,

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Speaker 10: three time outs in a two minute warning, James Cook

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Speaker 10: is on the sidelines. Could you explain that to me?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll tell you what I think that the Bills.

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Speaker 2: I've talked about this, I've talked about this with some people, Tom,

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Speaker 2: and you're right, I'll say this. I think the only

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Speaker 2: way to look at this for me and and justify

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Speaker 2: it is that they were kind of in third down mode.

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Speaker 2: Three thirty three left really in what in two minutes

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Speaker 2: in two minute mode, so it's kind of like third

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Speaker 2: down every down kind of thing. And because of that,

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Speaker 2: I think they were going to a play a section

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Speaker 2: on their play sheet. And let's face it, Josh has

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Speaker 2: said it all throughout the season. They feel Ty Johnson's

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Speaker 2: the best third down back in football, and that's the

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Speaker 2: kind of mode they were in, so they put him

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Speaker 2: in and did their thing. I'm with you though that

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Speaker 2: that's a little bit of a head scratch of the

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Speaker 2: way James as good as James Cook is, but even

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Speaker 2: Josh has said it, he's the Ty Johnson's best third

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Speaker 2: down back in football. And I think that's the mode

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Speaker 2: they were in at that moment. They and they felt good.

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Speaker 2: They like their guys, they're gonna give him a chance.

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Speaker 2: So I think that's where I got and in that

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Speaker 2: when when they when the James Cook issue was brought up.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and I will say this also, Ty Johnson the

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Speaker 1: reason he is the team's third down back, and it's

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Speaker 1: not James Cook is because he's a better pass protector.

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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, a couple of series prior

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Speaker 1: to the series, at the end of the game, Cook

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Speaker 1: kind of got a little run over in pass protection

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Speaker 1: and Josh had to escape because he was pressured. That's

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Speaker 1: the main reason why Ty Johnson is on the field

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Speaker 1: when you're in all out pass mode in a two

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Speaker 1: minute drill at the end of the game, he's the

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Speaker 1: better pass protector. Now, all that being said, I agree

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Speaker 1: with Steve and I agree with you. It's your season's

559
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: on the line. Your number one back is having an

560
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: outstanding game. He's probably one of your best physical mismatches.

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Speaker 1: From a skill standpoint, this is where you try to

562
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Speaker 1: be creative and get him on the field. Your best

563
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Speaker 1: players have to be on the field at the end

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Speaker 1: of the game when you're trying to go win the thing.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of a it's kind of silly, not silly,

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Speaker 2: but it's interesting too that the thing that got him

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Speaker 2: on that four down play was pass protection. But it

568
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 2: wasn't the back. It was the offensive line that got

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Speaker 2: slid the wrong way. They messed up the protection, They

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Speaker 2: messed up the protection and they shouldn't have and because

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Speaker 2: of the sound, because of the whatever you want to

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Speaker 2: say it, that was what got him. And if Josh,

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Speaker 2: if you know, if they just slid the right way

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Speaker 2: and picked that up, Josh had a khalil out to

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Speaker 2: the side, and even so, if he had a chance

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Speaker 2: to stop and throw that ball where we wanted to

577
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 2: get Dalton Kincaid, he throws a rope and hits Kincaid

578
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Speaker 2: in stride in the same spot where Kinkaid was standing

579
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Speaker 2: wide open with that, you know, the wobbler that he threw.

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Speaker 2: They had got the play was gonna work, but the

581
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 2: pressure got to him and that was the crusher. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's the thing. Yeah, they had the play, it was

583
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Speaker 2: there to be made. They messed up the protection. Josh

584
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Speaker 2: had to get rid of it without being able to

585
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Speaker 2: step into it, and he couldn't get the ball to

586
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Speaker 2: Shakir and you know, and Kinkaid couldn't pull it in.

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Speaker 2: I mean, all that stuff goes wrong on that play,

588
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 2: and kudos to the Chiefs for doing that in a

589
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 2: moment wherever it was all on the line. But you're right,

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Speaker 2: I thought the third down, if that's the only way

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Speaker 2: I could justify James Cook not being on the field

592
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Speaker 2: was that they were in third down moad. But with

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Speaker 2: three point thirty one to go, that seems like lots

594
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 2: of time, lots of it. They ran a nine play

595
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 2: drive for the touchdown, had ten runs in it, It

596
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 2: took four It took four minutes off the clock. Earlier

597
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Speaker 2: in the game, the one where Cook got in on

598
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Speaker 2: the one yard reach, that was a nine play drive

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Speaker 2: with most of them were runs, so they had plenty

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Speaker 2: of time. So yeah, that's right. But it was fourth

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Speaker 2: down and five and it was like a third down play.

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Speaker 2: I you would think, yeah, they're gonna put their third

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Speaker 2: down personnel on. That's why TDD Johnson's on the field

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Speaker 2: in that play. Well, yes he's on for the whole series,

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Speaker 2: but he was on for the whole series.

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Speaker 1: Break time for us more of your phone calls when

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Speaker 1: we get back here on a Tuesday edition to One

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Speaker 1: Bills Live, presented by Collide Health's Buffalo Bill's Radio. Well,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to One Bill's Live Here on a Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: Chris Brown, Steve Task here with you and question for

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Speaker 1: you today is what part of the bill surprised you

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Speaker 1: the most this season? Going to go right back to

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Speaker 1: the phones at eight O three oh five fifty and

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Speaker 1: to Dave in Florida, what do you got for his day?

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Speaker 1: You're all one Bill's List.

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Speaker 11: How you doing? Guys?

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Speaker 12: Listen, just want to say thank you again for a

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Speaker 12: great show. I enjoyed you guys. Thanks, and just a

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Speaker 12: great show and perspective on things between you guys and

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Speaker 12: South just amazing. So guys, as far as my surprise,

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Speaker 12: it was McDermott and the team, the actual staff. What

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Speaker 12: they did with this team this year was amazing. These

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Speaker 12: guys played well other minds all season long, you know,

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Speaker 12: and I gotta be asked, we're looking at what's happened here?

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Speaker 12: And I had a couple of days I think about it,

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Speaker 12: but you know a couple of people were popping off

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Speaker 12: about but Dermott again, I just want to call up

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Speaker 12: and pull their heads off because it was just the

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Speaker 12: guy did an amazing job. He should have been coach

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Speaker 12: of the year in my mind. But you know, they

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Speaker 12: missed on the two players that probably didn't need to

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Speaker 12: get over the top. They needed a dominant guy to

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Speaker 12: you know, compliment Oliver and and they needed a legit,

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Speaker 12: you know, number one white out out there that could

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Speaker 12: burn and draw the attention away the other guys that

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Speaker 12: can make them all better. You know, they won when

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Speaker 12: he got hurt. He hasn't been the same sense and

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Speaker 12: Diggs gave us two years out of four, so I mean,

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Speaker 12: look at he's got to take another swing at it

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Speaker 12: hopefully gets it done. We still got Josh Shelkey, and

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Speaker 12: I think they're gonna do it. I I I'm saying,

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Speaker 12: as everybody else, broke my heart to see Josh walking

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Speaker 12: off the field like he was, and it's the press

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Speaker 12: conference is about broke my heart. That kid's giving it

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Speaker 12: at all he's got, but he needs somebody to step

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Speaker 12: in once in a while, making a plaflum for god,

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Speaker 12: you know. And that's really what it comes down to.

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Speaker 12: It's just one more play here and there by somebody

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Speaker 12: else other than Josh, and they're gonna get it done.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's true. I mean in a game, and

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Speaker 2: it's it's painful to watch a game like we saw

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Speaker 2: the Chiefs Bills games, particularly when you come out on

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Speaker 2: the wrong end of it because there, you know, it

654
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Speaker 2: could have been anybody, you know, one more punched out

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Speaker 2: on a run, one more fumble, caused one more tipped

656
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Speaker 2: pass and as we saw, you know, one more caught ball,

657
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Speaker 2: one more job of protecting Josh once more. You know,

658
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Speaker 2: it could have been anybody else. And Josh Wall watch

659
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Speaker 2: the film and he'll he'll know to what what he

660
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 2: was asked to do on the plane and say, I

661
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 2: should have done this a little better than Every player

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Speaker 2: is like that. But you're right, it always seems like

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Speaker 2: you Josh is good enough, beyond good enough.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: His playoff numbers per game in his playoff career are

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Speaker 2: number one in a ton of categories. He's got a

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Speaker 2: he's got a seven yards per game, offensive yards per game, touchdown,

668
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Speaker 2: touchdown to interception ratio per game. All that stuff is

669
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Speaker 2: off the charts good. And you know, so it comes

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Speaker 2: out to just consu somebody else kind of reached that

671
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Speaker 2: level as well, and you know so, and in a

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Speaker 2: game like this, there was multiple opportunities for anybody to

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Speaker 2: do that. Now, Mac Collins did right, Curtis Samuel did

674
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Speaker 2: maybe a couple of plays, James Cook showed up. The

675
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 2: offensive line ran played extremely well on the second half.

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Speaker 2: They missed that last one play where they couldn't pick

677
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Speaker 2: it up and couldn't get the protection set all of that.

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Speaker 2: You know, you just need one more play. And we're

679
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Speaker 2: looking at a team in Kansas City that is historic.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's no other way to put it. They're historic.

681
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Speaker 2: And you can say what you want about the you know,

682
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,839
Speaker 2: the Bills are caught in that a little bit. And

683
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Speaker 2: the Bills are I mean right there. So it's hard

684
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Speaker 2: not to be really happy with what the Bills did

685
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Speaker 2: this season, with the exceeded expectations, with the players that emerged,

686
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Speaker 2: with the everybody, each man, all the whole thing, the

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Speaker 2: offense line. But you know, it's it's a sad end

688
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Speaker 2: when you run up against a team that is an

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Speaker 2: all time team. But that's where we're at.

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Speaker 1: And Steve and I had this discussion this morning off air,

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Speaker 1: and if you get you gotta find a way to

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Speaker 1: get an elite pass rusher on this roster next year,

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Speaker 1: and to your point, like a number one guy that

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Speaker 1: can win at receiver that's probably even a little bit

695
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Speaker 1: better than you know, an Amari Cooper. So you're at

696
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Speaker 1: a point now where you you have depth on this roster,

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Speaker 1: you have capable depth players. You got to get a

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Speaker 1: couple of elite guys to push your roster past. The

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Speaker 1: caliber of Kansas.

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Speaker 2: City's their culture and their roster right now, and there's

701
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Speaker 2: gonna be some changes because of contracts. We don't know

702
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Speaker 2: that that what that's gonna look like quite yet, and

703
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Speaker 2: we'll see when free agency gets here. But you know

704
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Speaker 2: that Brandon Bean is gonna bring in some guys and

705
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Speaker 2: they're gonna be good. You know, they're gonna win a

706
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Speaker 2: ton of games next year. They're gonna win a ton

707
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Speaker 2: of games next year as well. But when you get

708
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Speaker 2: into these games with the Chiefs, you got to have

709
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Speaker 2: some you gotta have some alphas, you gotta have some

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Speaker 2: difference makers. And right now the Bills are kind of

711
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Speaker 2: trying to do it as a as a unit, you know,

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Speaker 2: all with all of that, and every so often you

713
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Speaker 2: need somebody to step up and be supertative, and they

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Speaker 2: have not done that consistently enough.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to Mark in Jersey City next. What's up Mark?

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Speaker 13: A good afternoon, gentlemen. Yeah, A couple of a couple

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Speaker 13: of quick things. First, the thing I want to the

718
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Speaker 13: ability to protect and take the ball away. It's usually

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Speaker 13: one of those works, but for them to do on

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Speaker 13: either side of the ball was pretty pretty unprecedented and

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Speaker 13: just one thing i'd like to see from a player's

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Speaker 13: adjustment standpoint, in one thing from a coaches I'd like

723
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Speaker 13: Josh to escape up into the middle of the pocket.

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Speaker 13: He kind of like got caught and like I think

725
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Speaker 13: Cosel always says he bailed sometimes and always to the right.

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Speaker 13: I'd like to see him trying to escape up the

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Speaker 13: middle more or just kind of slide up. It avails

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Speaker 13: more of the feel to him. And Kansas City is

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Speaker 13: one of one I mean, and not just from a player,

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Speaker 13: but the staff. Yep, where did McDermott cut his teeth

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Speaker 13: in Philly Underreid and Spagnolo? And it's kind of like,

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Speaker 13: I think he needs to find a way to zig

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Speaker 13: while they're zagging. I don't know what that adjustment is

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Speaker 13: that I think he needs to realize that and to

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Speaker 13: tweak that. Thanks for taking my call, guys, Yep, sure thing.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, the ball. The ball security and turnover margin

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Speaker 1: number was insane this year. I think they finished the

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Speaker 1: season because they got to fumble off of the Chiefs.

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Speaker 1: They didn't turn the ball over themselves, so I think

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Speaker 1: they finished plus twenty eight on the season, counting the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: That's that's like generational, that's turnover margin. Because you look

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Speaker 1: at some of the best defenses in the history of

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Speaker 1: this league, and they have some ridiculus numbers, like I

744
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Speaker 1: think the two thousand Ravens were like a plus thirty eight.

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Speaker 1: I think the eighty five Bears were a plus forty.

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Speaker 1: But that's because those teams were getting sacks and stripping fumbles.

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Speaker 1: The Bills had the most fumble recoveries I think in

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Speaker 1: the league this year, and you could probably count on

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Speaker 1: one hand how many of those happened in the pocket

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Speaker 1: on strip sacks right there weren't a lot. Most of

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Speaker 1: them were in the open field punching the.

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Speaker 2: Ball out and getting the fumbles that way, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And that's that's their ability to do that, which was

754
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Speaker 2: real is the engine that allowed them to get to

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Speaker 2: the AFC Championship game. They had to get past Baltimore

756
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Speaker 2: to do that, and they had to punch the ball

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Speaker 2: out three times and pick one off that punch it

758
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Speaker 2: out twice and pick one off in that game to

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Speaker 2: do it, and then went by two. They were plus

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Speaker 2: three in the turnover marchin one by two. That's how

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Speaker 2: good Baltimore is. So this this coaching staff, this culture,

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Speaker 2: all this stuff. I mean, they they It allowed them

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Speaker 2: to beat the two one seeds and the one seed

764
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Speaker 2: in both conferences in the regular season, get to the

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Speaker 2: NFC Championship game through the Baltimore Ravens and the Denver Broncos.

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Speaker 2: They just put it together and they man, they are

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Speaker 2: right there, and man, oh man, is it frustrating to

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Speaker 2: watch them play the same Chiefs team again and lose

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Speaker 2: by that much again in a different ways.

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Speaker 1: The Bills and Eagles tied for the league league in

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Speaker 1: takeaways via the fumble nineteen each counting playoffs. They tied

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Speaker 1: for the league lead here and obviously Philadelphia can pass

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Speaker 1: them because they play one more game, obviously in the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl here, and I'd be all for them getting

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Speaker 1: three fumbles off the Chiefs.

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Speaker 11: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Uh, let's go to steven in Florida next. What do

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Speaker 1: you got for a Steven.

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Speaker 14: Pay Good afternoon, guys. Okay, there's a few things I

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Speaker 14: want to cover here real quickly. You know why the

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Speaker 14: Bills lost to the Chiefs. You know Patrick Mahone, If

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Speaker 14: you look at what he said in the post game

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Speaker 14: news conference, he made a statement and this goes both ways.

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Speaker 14: He said, you can't point to one man. Everybody was involved,

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Speaker 14: and he was talking about their victory, but that equally

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00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 14: applies with the Bills lost. There's plenty of blame and

787
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Speaker 14: praise to go around on both sides. So you know,

788
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Speaker 14: and the show I watched aespn's first down, Shannon Sharp

789
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 14: was saying, it's fifteen. You know, he's the reason they won. No,

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Speaker 14: it wasn't. But here's what I want to get at.

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Speaker 14: The Bills in this game were out coached and outplayed.

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Speaker 14: I'm talking about overall from start to finish. You look

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Speaker 14: at the start the Bills first series three and out

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Speaker 14: the Chiefs first series. They moved it will no third

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Speaker 14: downs and they scored a touchdown and that set the

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Speaker 14: tone for this game. Yeah, the Bills came back, they

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00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 14: got a head by one point, but then they had

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Speaker 14: to play catch up again, made it twenty nine to

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Speaker 14: twenty nine, and ultimately they lost. But you look at

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Speaker 14: this game, I mean this, what happened was basically that

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Speaker 14: the Chiefs did what the Bills failed to do. This

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00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 14: is my main key for this game. They put sufficient

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Speaker 14: pressure on the consistently on the opposing team's quarterback. That's

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Speaker 14: what the Bills did not do. And this points to

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Speaker 14: a failure on the part of the Bills offensive night

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Speaker 14: who was great all season, I mean Josh Allen, he

807
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 14: looked uncharacter uncharacteristically sloppy and paniced those two dropped snaps,

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Speaker 14: and then the last series with when he basically it

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Speaker 14: wasn't a hail Mary, he lobbed the ball because they

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Speaker 14: you know, rushed him with the with the list and

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Speaker 14: then you know, and then you know, of course, yeah

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Speaker 14: uh uh Kinka didn't catch the ball. But again there

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Speaker 14: was a failure to protect him. And you know, the

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Speaker 14: thing is I saw somebody online They had a still

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Speaker 14: shot of both the Homes and Alan and their last

816
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Speaker 14: play and and and you know from scrimmage, I mean

817
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 14: moving the ball. She Mahomes looked totally calm, focused and confident,

818
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 14: whereas Allen looked panicked and desperate. And so what I

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Speaker 14: say is that Andy Reid and Steve smagnolah, they were

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Speaker 14: able to rattle Josh Allen's cage and they had his number.

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Speaker 14: That was obviously I'm talking about overall.

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Speaker 1: All Right, Steven, we're up against the break, so I

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Speaker 1: got to jump here. I get what you're saying. That's

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Speaker 1: a lot to read into a photo.

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Speaker 2: Right, No question, the Chiefs are obviously well coached, very

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Speaker 2: well coached, the.

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Speaker 1: Nest staff in the league. And I don't think there's

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Speaker 1: any debate about that.

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Speaker 2: If and you hear this every single time that you

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Speaker 2: lose a game, and a head and a coaching staff

831
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Speaker 2: will tell you, yeah, if they beat us, yeah, they

832
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:48,839
Speaker 2: must have out coached us.

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Speaker 1: But they were execution shortcomings too.

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Speaker 11: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Throughout the game, you got there's a it's a machine

836
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 2: with a million cylinders. You got to hit on. You

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00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 2: got to hit on more of your million cylinders than

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00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 2: they do. In the Chiefs hit on too many of

839
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Speaker 2: them to match up a lot of times, and that's

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Speaker 2: why they lost really one game in the regular season.

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00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 2: It was on a road against a really good team.

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00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's that's how good they are. That's what

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00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:13,760
Speaker 2: you're up against.

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Speaker 1: That's why you got to play pretty much a perfect

845
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: air tight game. And I think that every Bills player

846
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: will admit that they did not do that. Got to

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Speaker 1: take a break here, more of your phone calls when

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Speaker 1: we come back. We also got dan Orlopski coming up

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Speaker 1: an hour number two here on a Tuesday edition of

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Speaker 1: One Bill's Live for as anybody to out of health,

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Speaker 1: It's Buffalo Bills Radio. Welcome back to One Bills Live.

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Speaker 1: What part of the Bills surprised you the most this season?

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Speaker 1: That's our topic of discussion today. Eight O three oh

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Speaker 1: five fifty To Rich in Rochester, we go, what's up?

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Speaker 4: Rich?

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Speaker 11: Yes, I'm I think the job that both of you

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Speaker 11: guys do is terrific. And I also think that the

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00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 11: Bills have a terrific management and coaching staff right now.

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00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 11: But the thing I don't understand is when a coaching

860
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 11: staff is that good in the league, other teams will

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00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 11: attack their coaching staff, just like they've gone after our

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00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 11: offensive coordinator and defensive coordinator and the pirate them. And

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Speaker 11: I don't understand why they haven't done that With Kansas City.

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Speaker 11: They have a defensive coordinator that's been there eight years,

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Speaker 11: and I think the offensive coordinator has been their six years.

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Speaker 11: So I was wondering what you guys thought about that

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00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 11: and how we're gonna maybe also draft. I think the

868
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 11: defensive line needs help. So I'll hang out and let

869
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 11: you guys do.

870
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 2: There's two things in there. One Spagnolo was a head

871
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 2: coach for a minute. Yeah, Saint Louis, I want to say,

872
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 2: I think, and it didn't.

873
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:52,399
Speaker 1: Work out very well. He's also advanced in age, and

874
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: this league has a propensity to hire young, up and

875
00:45:55,719 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 1: coming coaches rather than older veteran coaches. There are excepts,

876
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: but not many. And Matt Nagy already left once to

877
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,879
Speaker 1: become a head coach in Chicago and that didn't work

878
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: out too well either, and he's back with the chiefs Andy.

879
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 2: Reid calls the place. That's why Eric Bienemy never got

880
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 2: a head coaching job out of Kansas City. There's some

881
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 2: other reasons there too, but that's just the way it is.

882
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 2: Andy Reid is the offensive coordinator for that team, or

883
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 2: at least that's the way it's perceived by organizations outside

884
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 2: of Kansas City. And Spagnolo has and and Spagnola has

885
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:32,439
Speaker 2: done interviews for a head coaching job. You can look

886
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 2: at the Bills coaching staff and say, oh, they're not

887
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,959
Speaker 2: getting pirated, probably because Joe Brady's a little young.

888
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 1: He still did. He's still got but three interview requests

889
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: from three different teams.

890
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 2: And he has done interviews. And Bob Babbitt is his

891
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 2: first year's a coordinator and the Bill's defense. You know,

892
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 2: they thrived on turnovers, not really, you know, one of

893
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 2: those stifling defenses where it's like, wow, this guy's unbelievable.

894
00:46:55,320 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 2: So he may get some head coaching opportunity in the future,

895
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 2: but not after one year is as a coordinator of

896
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 2: this defense. And you're right, and they maybe if they

897
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:07,919
Speaker 2: get great players and this defense starts to go off,

898
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 2: he can bet it'll happen.

899
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: But I would agree they need defensive line help, they

900
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 1: need a premier edge rusher, and they're gonna need some

901
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: new young defensive tackles because Daikwon Jones is thirty four

902
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: years old and Austin Johnson is a free agent. Jordan

903
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 1: Phillips is a free agent. So that's kind of where

904
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: it is. You got to refortify your defensive front and

905
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 1: ideally you have an elite pass rusher added to this

906
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,280
Speaker 1: mix for this roster next year. To Clayton and Boston,

907
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 1: what's up Clayton.

908
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 4: Aus guys, thanks for a great season. I love your program.

909
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 4: Thanks Kristin, Kristen, Steve and I thought the Bills, considering

910
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 4: the salary cap we're up against head one hell of

911
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 4: a year. They overcame a lot one play that bothers

912
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 4: me in the game against Kansas City, is can you

913
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:13,439
Speaker 4: explain to me why in that possible Bishop interception when

914
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 4: Cole heads two hands on the ball and Worthy only

915
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 4: had one, how they could possibly get possession the Worthy

916
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 4: as a complete pass and it wasn't an interception. I

917
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 4: just don't understand, well.

918
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 2: When you when two guys have it, the tie goes

919
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 2: to the offensive player and then once they roll over

920
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 2: and stuff. Of course Worthy does put two hands on it,

921
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 2: and it's hard to see it, and it happens fast,

922
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 2: and you're right, the ball should have it should have

923
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 2: been incomplete, but it wasn't. And that's the way it

924
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 2: goes the official. You know, you can imagine how fast

925
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 2: it happens and they come down. It didn't look like

926
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 2: I didn't know the ball touched the ground until you know,

927
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 2: I saw it on replay. So yeah, you're right. I

928
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 2: think it's a bad call. I think, in my opinion,

929
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 2: I think he doesn't have two hands on it. The

930
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 2: ball hits the ground and that's all there is to it.

931
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 2: He only has one hand on it. He doesn't have control,

932
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 2: hadn't gotten two feet on all that stuff, and the

933
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 2: ball hits the ground and I don't know how they

934
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 2: don't overturn that on review, but they didn't, so you're right.

935
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Bills now have two plays like this in

936
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: their history, the other one being fourth and eighteen against

937
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: the Vikings.

938
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:28,879
Speaker 2: Which it wouldn't have caught it. Yeah.

939
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 5: Whatever.

940
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,720
Speaker 1: Well, where a receiver takes advantage of a defensive players

941
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: securing the ball to catch the ball and rip it

942
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: away himself happened twice now, so take it for what

943
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: it's worth. We are at the top of the hour here,

944
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:44,959
Speaker 1: so we have to take a break. When we come back,

945
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 1: our number two will begin with our good friend ESPN

946
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:52,280
Speaker 1: NFL analyst Dan Orlovsky, who will rehash the AFC title

947
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: game with us and maybe take a little peek at

948
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl matchup for his thoughts there, dan Orlovski,

949
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 1: coming your way next here One Bill's lif This One

950
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 1: Bill's Live presented by Kalida Health. All Right, welcome back

951
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 1: to our number two of One Bill's Live. Here on

952
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: a Tuesday. Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you, and we

953
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: welcome in at this time ESPN's Dan Orlowski, NFL analyst

954
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:52,720
Speaker 1: and Dan's appearances are sponsored by Caesar's Sportsbook and official

955
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 1: sportsbook partner of the Buffalo Bills. So Dan uh, you know,

956
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,720
Speaker 1: we got to rehash Bill's Chiefs here, and I really

957
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 1: feel like we always get to hear the cliche it's

958
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: a game of inches. This and that short yardage was

959
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 1: a big part of swinging this game in Kansas City's favor.

960
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: And even though you have Bills players who during the game,

961
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 1: we're trying to get the officials to back Chris Jones

962
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: out of the neutral zone claiming he was lining up

963
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 1: there consistently, you don't often see that called when when

964
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: the refs know a short yardage play is coming. All

965
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 1: that aside, you see the Bills fail on a couple

966
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 1: of attempts. Your thoughts on pivoting to something else when

967
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 1: facing those situations again.

968
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 15: Yeah, it's see always to catch twenty two of Are

969
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 15: we trying to get too cute?

970
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 3: Are we overthinking it?

971
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 15: You know versus the We believe in the play, We

972
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 15: believe in the player. It has worked more often than

973
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 15: not in these situations. Don't get away from who we are.

974
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 15: And you know, when you lose a game, you're always

975
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,479
Speaker 15: going to do the Monday morning quarterback revisit what could

976
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 15: have done or been different, what we could have done differently.

977
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 15: I had not heard about the you know, the bill

978
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 15: as players having conversations with the officials about Chris and

979
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 15: something that I'll go back and peek at because I did.

980
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 3: Not see that.

981
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 15: You know, it's there are moments Chris too, I do

982
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 15: think where you do tip your hat to the other

983
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 15: team in a couple of moments as well. They didn't

984
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 15: you know, they get paid and they did make some plays,

985
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 15: and I think that that has to be a part

986
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 15: of that story as well. So you're definitely how many

987
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 15: different plays do you have in that situation that you know,

988
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 15: you know they got into a couple of them and

989
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 15: use them, you know. So it's always when you lose,

990
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 15: you're always looking back and saying, could we have done

991
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 15: something different in that play to kind of have it

992
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 15: had worked out more in our favor and we can.

993
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 2: We talk about the game and chew it up, and

994
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 2: now you have the entire offseason to think about it.

995
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 2: And when you go into a game like that, and

996
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 2: you get to a game of AFC Championship conferenceampionship game

997
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 2: and for me even a Super Bowl, you go in

998
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 2: and you think wow, what you know, there's always the

999
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 2: reaction to the fan. There's always the fans that say

1000
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 2: fire everybody, clean house, change this, do that, get rid

1001
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 2: of this player. You know that the reaction there is,

1002
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 2: you know some it's sometimes over the top. But now

1003
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,840
Speaker 2: you're getting to the point now where it's four straight

1004
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:24,800
Speaker 2: years you're getting beat by those guys. Now, the Bills

1005
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 2: I think are the one team where everybody kind of thinks, yeah,

1006
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 2: they got the best shot at it. That's the team

1007
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 2: who can beat Kansas City. They've proven in the regular

1008
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 2: season and they've had these games that are just razor

1009
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 2: thin time and time again in the playoffs, but the

1010
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 2: Bills are always on the short end. What's your general

1011
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 2: assessment of how much are you like abandoning ship or

1012
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 2: just turning the steering wheel two degrees? You know what

1013
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a difference, right, there's a little there's

1014
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 2: just a little adjustment, and then there's you know, then

1015
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 2: there's you know, switching out the motor or what do

1016
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 2: you do?

1017
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:00,879
Speaker 15: Yeah, So I think one a lot of the talk

1018
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 15: and I've heard a little bit of it, but not.

1019
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 3: A high amount of it.

1020
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:09,879
Speaker 15: The whole like start over fire people, I respectfully think

1021
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 15: that's outrageous. I think that Sean mcderbott had a fantastic season.

1022
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 15: I obviously believe both coordinators had really good seasons, Joe

1023
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 15: Brady probably a little bit greater because the offense was

1024
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 15: so good. I also think they went over they went

1025
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 15: through an organizational change, the way that they go about

1026
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 15: playing the game and the way that they philosophically, you know,

1027
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 15: adjusted that the way everyone went about it, specifically on

1028
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:42,800
Speaker 15: the offense, and it was unbelievably successful until it wasn't

1029
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 15: you know, Steve, I've said, and you know, far greater

1030
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 15: than me, But like, I don't think you change anything.

1031
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 15: I think the hardest part is picking yourself back up

1032
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 15: and doing it again and brainwashing yourself to think this

1033
00:54:58,840 --> 00:54:59,760
Speaker 15: time will be different.

1034
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 3: I think there's a reality in that, and again, you

1035
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 3: lived it.

1036
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 15: I don't know if there's a perfect formula. I don't

1037
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:08,879
Speaker 15: know if there's a magic formula. I don't I don't

1038
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 15: really believe that you're I was sitting there the other

1039
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 15: day or yesterday with Rex Ryan and I just kept saying,

1040
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,840
Speaker 15: and I know it sounds I kept saying, it's shocking

1041
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 15: to me that at a game that is played with

1042
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 15: an oblong ball. It hasn't once bounced their way in

1043
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 15: those moments. It just hasn't once bounced their way. And

1044
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 15: I think that's the biggest hurdle for them, is believing

1045
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 15: that at some point will yeah.

1046
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,800
Speaker 1: And at the same time, if you compare this game

1047
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 1: to the Week eleven game, I don't think where it

1048
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: was played was as big a factor as how the

1049
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 1: Bills went into that game, because the Bills were the

1050
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 1: ones playing in front. The Bills were the ones controlling

1051
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 1: the clock, The Bills were the ones that had time

1052
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 1: of possession edge. The Bills were running the football well enough,

1053
00:55:58,560 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 1: you know, and at the end of the day, the

1054
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: thirty something passes or forty some passes thirty runs in

1055
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 1: the win back in Week eleven, which by the way,

1056
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 1: is the only win in against Patrick Mahomes in his

1057
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 1: last twenty three starts, which is insanity. But anyway, my

1058
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:18,320
Speaker 1: point is I felt like the Bills from the jump

1059
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 1: on Sunday, we're chasing the game and against the Chiefs,

1060
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 1: they're too efficient, they're too buttoned up, they're too detail

1061
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:31,399
Speaker 1: oriented to chase the game and also try to beat

1062
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 1: the Chiefs. I felt like the Bills were trying to

1063
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:35,839
Speaker 1: do two things at once, and you can't do that.

1064
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: All your efforts have to be towards beating the Chiefs,

1065
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 1: not chasing a game to beat the Chiefs.

1066
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 15: If that makes sense, Yeah, you gotta make the other team,

1067
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 15: the other quarterback try to play from a place of discomfort,

1068
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 15: not like he's going to be unfamiliar with it and

1069
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 15: not like he's going to be I guess I don't

1070
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 15: believe he's going to be uncomfortable in that situation. But

1071
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:01,359
Speaker 15: you can't let them constantly be in the dictate mode.

1072
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:03,839
Speaker 15: And they were still for the most part, Kansas City

1073
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 15: was capable of dictating how that game was going to go.

1074
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 15: I mean, if you just looked at them offensively, you know,

1075
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,800
Speaker 15: the overwhelming theme early on was RPOs.

1076
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,720
Speaker 16: They were just trying to make sure that they weren't

1077
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 16: in backed up or third and long or third and

1078
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 16: obvious situation. So let's let's let's be efficient, And they were,

1079
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 16: and you have to give them credit for that, and

1080
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 16: I think that allowed them to like settle into the game.

1081
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 16: Both teams believe we get the game to the fourth quarter,

1082
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 16: we're gonna be okay.

1083
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 15: And we believe in our guys. We believe in our

1084
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 15: quarterback to make one or two plays.

1085
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 2: You know.

1086
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 15: The thing I would say, Chris is I think that

1087
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 15: you know, when you when you look back and again

1088
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 15: you're trying to find, you know, different plays throughout the game.

1089
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 15: Oh my gosh, that you know I've said, I think

1090
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 15: the first down in the in the final drive for

1091
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 15: Josh would probably be a play that he's gonna sit

1092
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 15: there and be like, I threw that check down one

1093
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 15: hundred times this year and then just for some reason didn't.

1094
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:01,959
Speaker 16: In that moment that drive.

1095
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 15: Yeah, the first and ten when he throws the ball

1096
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 15: kind of over the middle field and Romo said it

1097
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 15: looks like he had thrown it away and there's a

1098
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 15: miscommunication between him and Khalil.

1099
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 3: I do believe there's the swing route out there.

1100
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 15: That's I watched them throw it last week against Baltimore,

1101
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 15: you know, and so and it's listen, I'm not it's hard,

1102
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 15: but I've seen them do that, and I think control

1103
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 15: wise things that you can look back as a player,

1104
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 15: that's probably one that Josh is gonna sit there and

1105
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 15: be like, man, I wish I would have just thrown

1106
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 15: that out there. And then the fourth down there's been

1107
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 15: a lot of ridiculous conversation about it, a lot of

1108
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 15: it that I disagree with because people think that, you know,

1109
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 15: it's played on this computer. I do think being on

1110
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 15: the road hurt them in that moment. I believe if

1111
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 15: they're at home and they're able to use cadence a

1112
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 15: little bit more that they probably get a little bit

1113
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 15: of an indicator off of that. And being on the

1114
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 15: road and having go silent count I do think gave

1115
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 15: it once again advantage Kansas City.

1116
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and when you get into those moments and you know,

1117
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 2: you do have to deal with the crowd, noise and

1118
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 2: all the things that go into playing in that stadium.

1119
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 2: You know, it's just we look at this game and

1120
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 2: I've We've said it a bunch on the show, and

1121
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 2: I'll bring it up to you. Both teams scored four touchdowns,

1122
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 2: both teams scored one field goal, and yet because of

1123
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 2: the two point conversions on a turnover on downs, they

1124
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 2: fumbled at once. The Bill's got two turnovers on downs.

1125
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 2: All that stuff is, you know, you can't play these games. Yeah,

1126
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 2: you can't play these games any more razor thin then

1127
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 2: they have been played all four of these playoff game,

1128
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 2: not the first one, they were I think the Chiefs

1129
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 2: won by thirteen or fourteen, so but the rest of

1130
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 2: these games have been razor thin, and the ones that

1131
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 2: are regular seasons seem to fall the Bill's way, and

1132
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 2: the ones in the playoffs that really mean something, the

1133
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 2: ones we always talk about are the you know, the

1134
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 2: playoff games. How do you? And that's really the question

1135
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 2: is there's fifteen plays in this game that if they

1136
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 2: go the other way, the result could be different. And

1137
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 2: certainly you can focus on the ones that are late

1138
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 2: in the game, but is there it? Did you get

1139
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 2: an inkling early in this game, particularly when the Bills

1140
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 2: come out and go three and out and the Chiefs

1141
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 2: go rumble ninety yards? I thought, wow, there it is

1142
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 2: and this is going to be when the Chiefs finally flex.

1143
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 2: Did you have any inklings early that this might be

1144
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 2: a different kind of game?

1145
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 15: Well, I do think that Josh came out a little hot,

1146
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 15: you know, he came out a little juiced up, and

1147
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 15: his adrenaline it was was on fire.

1148
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 1: For sure.

1149
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 3: I wasn't you.

1150
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 15: Know when they went right down the fields, because I

1151
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 15: feel like everyone has done that at this playoffs. To them,

1152
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 15: I was like, they'll settle in. They're very good at

1153
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 15: their adjustments. They're they're too well coached of a football team,

1154
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 15: you know, Steve, Honestly, I thought they got the ball back.

1155
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 15: Once Phillips makes that sacked. I thought this will be it.

1156
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 15: I truly believed, you know, And again you're not supposed

1157
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 15: to have favorites and buy no bigger fan in Patrick

1158
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 15: Mahomes and me. But also I feel the same way

1159
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 15: about Josh, and I truly believe like Buffalo's gonna go

1160
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 15: down and score, and they're gonna do it perfectly. They're

1161
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 15: gonna milk the clock, Josh is gonna make a player two,

1162
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 15: they'll be super efficient, and at some point they'll make

1163
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 15: a completion in man coverage. And it just didn't happen.

1164
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 15: And it was that three or four place stretch that

1165
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 15: didn't happen for them. But I didn't have an England

1166
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 15: early on that I knew the game was gonna come

1167
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 15: down to the fourth court. I think everyone knew that

1168
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 15: some quarterback was going to make a play or not

1169
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 15: make a play, and that was gonna swing the game.

1170
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, So as you know, as we kind of look

1171
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 1: ahead for us like next season and all of that stuff,

1172
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 1: it's hard not to look at different ways of skin

1173
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 1: in this cat here because you've tried four times and

1174
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 1: it hasn't happened. And look, I've got all the respect

1175
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 1: in the world for Buffalo's coaching staff. I think they're

1176
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 1: very good. To your point, as you said earlier, they're

1177
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 1: also going against a one of one coaching staff, Andy

1178
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 1: Steve Spagnolo, you know Dave Talb even on special teams,

1179
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 1: I mean, elite of the elite. So you try to

1180
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 1: say to yourself, well, what's another way to try to

1181
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 1: overcome that when you're going against arguably the best staff

1182
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 1: in football? And it's hard not to look at what

1183
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 1: Philadelphia has done to completely stack their roster with elite talent,

1184
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 1: and that's something that you've got to do year over year.

1185
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 1: It's not something you can do necessarily in one off season.

1186
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 1: But I think the Bills roster is good enough where

1187
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 1: if you can just add one or two elite talent players,

1188
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:40,440
Speaker 1: maybe just one on either side of the ball, that

1189
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 1: might be enough to eliminate that razor thin margin where

1190
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:46,919
Speaker 1: you're just that much behind them. What do you think

1191
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 1: about that going the talent route to try to finally

1192
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 1: get over this hump.

1193
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 15: Yeah, So I think there's three things that you could

1194
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 15: probably realistically say. I think I do agree that there's

1195
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:04,480
Speaker 15: one piece of elite perimeter talent on the outside. And

1196
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:07,480
Speaker 15: maybe when I say elite perimeter talent, it doesn't mean

1197
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:11,040
Speaker 15: that it's the number one receiver, but another really person

1198
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 15: that can consistently impact the game. You know, what's the

1199
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 15: plan with Amari and Keon's growth and all that, But

1200
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:21,920
Speaker 15: if you can get another perimeter guy to truly impact

1201
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 15: the game in the skill group, I do think that's

1202
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:30,480
Speaker 15: you want to consistently push the envelope on that. And

1203
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:33,800
Speaker 15: I do think it's fair to say that defensively, the

1204
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:37,400
Speaker 15: high end talent on the back end did show itself.

1205
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 3: Benford's injury was huge.

1206
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:42,640
Speaker 15: And so there is a reality that you can sit

1207
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 15: there and go they got to get a difference maker

1208
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 15: in their back end. You know, Razul's really good. I

1209
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 15: think the safeties were encouraging, but you got to get

1210
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 15: a difference maker back there in the back end. I

1211
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:56,479
Speaker 15: really believe that you got to go get a Justin

1212
01:03:56,560 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 15: Reed or a Trent McGuffey or a Kyle Hamilton, some

1213
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 15: body like that in your back on your back seven

1214
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:04,920
Speaker 15: and I do think one of the things that I

1215
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 15: was surprised about as the game went on, and really

1216
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 15: at the end of the game, like schematically, in those

1217
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 15: moments late versus that quarterback and that coaching staff, you

1218
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:21,280
Speaker 15: gotta empty yr bag of tricks, and Buffalo really didn't.

1219
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 15: I remember years ago when they played Kansas City, and

1220
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 15: I think it was down there where they would throw

1221
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 15: some really unique coverages at Patrick and some on one

1222
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 15: side of the field would play zone.

1223
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 3: One side of field will play man.

1224
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 15: I'd be like, oh my gosh, how do you pay

1225
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:38,280
Speaker 15: attention to that late in this game? I guess the

1226
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:40,760
Speaker 15: one gripe that I would have with that stuff is

1227
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:43,640
Speaker 15: they just lined up and played man. Hey, you know

1228
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:46,360
Speaker 15: it's third and nine and they're just playing press man,

1229
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:49,919
Speaker 15: single high safety, no disguise, no double, no nothing. That's

1230
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 15: too easy for that quarterback and that coaching staff.

1231
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:55,080
Speaker 1: And I think the reason why is because of the

1232
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 1: things that you mentioned. Benford's out of the game. What

1233
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 1: does bet what Elam does is man coverage and then

1234
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:05,160
Speaker 1: no rap in the game. You've got a rookie with

1235
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 1: four starts under his belt playing in the AFC title game,

1236
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 1: and I think we can all agree that DeMar Hamlin

1237
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 1: is a little bit on the short end when it

1238
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 1: comes to pure speed. So all of those deficiencies. I

1239
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:18,800
Speaker 1: kind of felt like they spent most of that game

1240
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:21,959
Speaker 1: trying to cover that up, which is why so much

1241
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 1: was opened in the short to intermediate area for the

1242
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 1: Chiefs passing game.

1243
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1244
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 15: Absolutely, And this is, you know when easy for me

1245
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:33,919
Speaker 15: to say, hard to do, but also so is trying

1246
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 15: to beat that guy in that team, you know, and

1247
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:39,440
Speaker 15: so you're if when you look at you know, again,

1248
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 15: there's different philosophies and schemes, but Spags rolled out like

1249
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 15: three or four different versions of double teams on third

1250
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:49,920
Speaker 15: down obviously the fourth down corner blitz with the backside

1251
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:50,959
Speaker 15: backer to end the game.

1252
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:52,920
Speaker 3: You know that that stuff when you.

1253
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:56,080
Speaker 15: Surprised the other I do think it's worth Hey, we

1254
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:58,520
Speaker 15: got to have this stuff in our bag. If we're

1255
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 15: gonna see that quarterback are probably a Joe Burrow Lamar

1256
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 15: Jackson is these guys are so ridiculously good that if

1257
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:10,480
Speaker 15: you let him know it before the snap, you're so behind.

1258
01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 15: And I do think that again, trying to push the

1259
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 15: envelope of no stone unturned, can they create a package

1260
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:21,360
Speaker 15: that in those moments, maybe they deploy late in the

1261
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:24,959
Speaker 15: season or late in the playoffs that are so game

1262
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:28,560
Speaker 15: plan specific for those guys and those quarterbacks that give

1263
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:30,800
Speaker 15: them a little bit of an even playing field and

1264
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 15: or advantage.

1265
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 1: Are we at this point?

1266
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 2: We're in an era now where you've got guys coming

1267
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:39,800
Speaker 2: in and particularly college And look at the kid in Washington,

1268
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:44,320
Speaker 2: Jayden Daniels, who just walk in and they've been playing

1269
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 2: seven on seven their entire life and nothing really scares him. Mean,

1270
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:51,560
Speaker 2: he's the right kind of personality. He's not this big,

1271
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 2: strong guy who has to stand in the pocket and

1272
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 2: get clotheslined like the guys back in the nineteen seventies.

1273
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:56,360
Speaker 1: You know.

1274
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 2: So you've got these guys who physically don't look like

1275
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 2: the core of old but they've got it upstairs. And

1276
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 2: now the response to this kind of seven on seven

1277
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 2: league is a team like Baltimore, who says, listen, if

1278
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 2: you're getting if you're gonna have two hundred and thirty

1279
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 2: pound linebackers, we're gonna have a two hundred and fifty

1280
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:14,439
Speaker 2: pound running back.

1281
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:15,439
Speaker 1: YEP.

1282
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 2: Is that the trend we're kind of sitting in the

1283
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:21,040
Speaker 2: middle of. Certainly, personnel dictates it for most of these teams,

1284
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 2: but for Baltimore and maybe some other teams, it's a

1285
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 2: philosophical choice they made. And certainly Buffalo, as you mentioned,

1286
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 2: they went that way this year and ran the ball

1287
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 2: a ton because they had a good offensive line. You know,

1288
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 2: is that the trend we're seeing now where you're gonna

1289
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:38,760
Speaker 2: have to make that choice. And if you've got that guy,

1290
01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:41,000
Speaker 2: you know you can play seven on seven And if

1291
01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:44,240
Speaker 2: you don't get big and get physical.

1292
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 15: Well I think you're gonna I mean, the trend is both,

1293
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Speaker 15: you know.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the trend is a.

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Speaker 15: Little bit in the era almost that you played in

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Speaker 15: Steve right that it was like you pounded the football

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Speaker 15: a lot. But it's also the morph So it's the

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Speaker 15: morphing of that with a little bit of the spread,

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Speaker 15: you know, passing game that you're seeing and a lot

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Speaker 15: of teams deploy. If you don't have both, it's unrealistic

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Speaker 15: to think that you're a legit Super Bowl contender.

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Speaker 3: You could be a good football team.

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Speaker 15: Fourteen teams make the playoffs this year. Eleven of those

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Speaker 15: are the top eleven excuse me, eleven out of the

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01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 15: four teams in the playoffs, we're top fourteen rushing running

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Speaker 15: football teams in the league.

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Speaker 3: Part of that as quarterback run as well.

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Speaker 15: But you know, I do think, you know, over the

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Speaker 15: past two or three years that has become a trend

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Speaker 15: is you've got to be able to run the football

1311
01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 15: as in comparison to six years ago, you could throw

1312
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:32,519
Speaker 15: it and win it.

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Speaker 1: Right, last one, just your early thoughts on Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: fifty nine and who you I mean that if there's

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Speaker 1: a team that has the talent to beat the Chiefs,

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Speaker 1: it's certainly the Eagles. But just your thoughts on it.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, well, it's idiotic to doubt Mahomes. I think that's

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01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:54,200
Speaker 15: that's been proven. But it's not my job to just

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Speaker 15: pick because of you know, and so I've got to

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Speaker 15: try to analyze. And I do think Buffalo had success

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01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:02,400
Speaker 15: running the football in certain runs, and I think Philadelphia

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Speaker 15: can do that. I think Philadelphia can spread them out

1323
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Speaker 15: a little bit offensively and allow some one on one

1324
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 15: completions to be had, because if you can get them

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01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:12,680
Speaker 15: into that world, there is opportunity for you.

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Speaker 3: Their offensive line can protect it good enough.

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Speaker 15: Jalen Hurts has been a lot better versus the Blitz

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01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:21,040
Speaker 15: this year in comparison to last year. And then I

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Speaker 15: think Philadelphia defensively, it is going to be you know,

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Speaker 15: I said this going into the game last week. They

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01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 15: are the number one defense in the NFL when it

1332
01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:31,960
Speaker 15: comes to effort and running to the football and punching

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01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:34,800
Speaker 15: at it. And that was huge last week. It'll be

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Speaker 15: huge again this week. They're going to make the most

1335
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 15: efficient offensive football who was Kansas City? Efficiently drive the

1336
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Speaker 15: football down the field and be great in those situational moments.

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Speaker 15: And if Kent City can, they're obviously more than capable

1338
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:52,400
Speaker 15: of winning it. And if they can't, that's when Philadelphia

1339
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Speaker 15: has the advantage.

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Speaker 2: Good stuff, Dan, thanks for joining us all season. Appreciate

1341
01:09:57,280 --> 01:09:57,679
Speaker 2: you man.

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Speaker 3: You guys are the best man.

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Speaker 15: I've had a lot of fun with it and cheer

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Speaker 15: up hopefully brighter days.

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Speaker 2: Thanks.

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Speaker 1: All right, all right, that's Dan Orlowski joining us. Says

1347
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:13,000
Speaker 1: he did all season long. Appreciate his insight and input

1348
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:17,120
Speaker 1: on the season and the Bills at large. We are

1349
01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:18,800
Speaker 1: going to get back to the phones here because we

1350
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:21,160
Speaker 1: have a few minutes to get to some people that

1351
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:23,759
Speaker 1: have been waiting patiently. As our topic of discussion today

1352
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:25,400
Speaker 1: is what part of the Bills surprised you the most?

1353
01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:28,679
Speaker 1: This season. We go out to Las Vegas to talk

1354
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:30,400
Speaker 1: to Patrick next. What's up Patrick?

1355
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 17: Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call. Boy. Dan covered

1356
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 17: a lot of what I wanted to say in my call.

1357
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:44,000
Speaker 17: A question for Steve though the fourth down that we

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Speaker 17: did convert where Josh extended the ball over the line.

1359
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Speaker 17: I mean, I don't think we're giving it worked fine,

1360
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:55,280
Speaker 17: but I don't think we're paying enough attention to how

1361
01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:58,680
Speaker 17: reckless and dangerous of a play call that was.

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Speaker 18: Steve.

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01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:03,360
Speaker 17: You're on the put yourself on the Kansas City sideline

1364
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:08,559
Speaker 17: and you see a team go away from something that

1365
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:12,639
Speaker 17: has worked so well, and that is what they come

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01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:16,800
Speaker 17: up with. You got to be saying to yourself, we've

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01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:18,840
Speaker 17: got them right where we want them. If this is

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01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:23,320
Speaker 17: their sick to our z, we're in a great spot.

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Speaker 8: Am I am?

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Speaker 15: Am?

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Speaker 2: I reading Josh going over the top instead of pushing forward. Oh,

1372
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Speaker 2: I don't I think what they I think that's in

1373
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:39,360
Speaker 2: that instance probably not that big a deal because you know,

1374
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:43,080
Speaker 2: it's it's pretty It was pretty easy conversion if Josh

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01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:45,000
Speaker 2: doesn't drop it. And I don't think that gave the

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01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:48,680
Speaker 2: Chiefs anything extra. They had a good plan and uh,

1377
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:50,960
Speaker 2: they probably felt pretty good about their chances no matter what.

1378
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:53,200
Speaker 2: But I think they would probably be bum because they

1379
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:55,760
Speaker 2: they gave up the first down when he went over

1380
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:56,160
Speaker 2: the top.

1381
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Speaker 1: For all we know, that's a Josh ad lib on

1382
01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:00,439
Speaker 1: a supposed to be run the same way exactly.

1383
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:02,240
Speaker 2: That could be Josh is saying I'm gonna do it

1384
01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:05,320
Speaker 2: different this time. So yeah, I don't. I don't think

1385
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Speaker 2: none of that is. I get what you're saying. And

1386
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Speaker 2: there are instances where I think, yeah, I would think

1387
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Speaker 2: that exact thing, but I don't think this is one

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Speaker 2: of them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go to Mike in a car next. What's up, Mike?

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Speaker 18: What's up?

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Speaker 4: Gentlemen?

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Speaker 1: How are you good?

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Speaker 19: Got a couple of things I wanted to see. Get

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Speaker 19: your opinion on Dalton. I mean, you may have covered this,

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01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:27,240
Speaker 19: and I apologize if you did. But Dalton Kinkaid on

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01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:30,599
Speaker 19: that third down before that famous fourth down play where

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01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:34,000
Speaker 19: they claim Allen didn't get it. But if you look

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01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:37,679
Speaker 19: at Kinkaid when he sprawls out, his elbows don't touch

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Speaker 19: the ground, his knees aren't on the ground, and that

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01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:43,280
Speaker 19: ball is directly across from the first down line and those.

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Speaker 7: Of the ball.

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01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:47,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a terrible spot. Yeah, we talked about this yesterday, Mike,

1403
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:51,120
Speaker 1: and I agree. His knees were not down, and the

1404
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:53,640
Speaker 1: guy who's ten yards away spots it short of the

1405
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:56,080
Speaker 1: line to gain and you could see Dalton kinkaid. He's

1406
01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:57,800
Speaker 1: checking for rain. He's got his palms in the air,

1407
01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:01,000
Speaker 1: like what. I'm sitting here with my chest on the

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Speaker 1: first down marker. I mean, it's not even like one

1409
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:05,840
Speaker 1: of those guys that's down and then they stick the

1410
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Speaker 1: ball out with their hands. He's on the first down marker.

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01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:11,400
Speaker 1: I yeah. They got it on third and they got

1412
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Speaker 1: it on fourth. That's that's the sad thing.

1413
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:15,040
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's sad.

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Speaker 19: It's the third down one bothers me more than the fourth.

1415
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Speaker 19: And I'll tell you why. Why wasn't that challenge from

1416
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Speaker 19: the so called referee we hired that was supposed to

1417
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:26,839
Speaker 19: make all our challenges better this year? Numerous times where

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01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:29,680
Speaker 19: McDermot could have threw that flag there, they got right.

1419
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:31,920
Speaker 1: The reason why was they got right back up on

1420
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:34,280
Speaker 1: the ball, Mike to run fourth down quickly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they went fast, helping that the Chiefs couldn't substitute

1422
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:40,720
Speaker 2: people because they got caught in a third down defense

1423
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:43,760
Speaker 2: and they wanted to keep the third down defense on

1424
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:46,679
Speaker 2: the field instead of the fourth downs some smaller, lighter guys.

1425
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:49,800
Speaker 2: And I'm kind of with you. I I would have

1426
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:53,000
Speaker 2: loved to have seen them challenge that spot, but I

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01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:55,599
Speaker 2: think you're working with a supremely confident group with Josh

1428
01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:57,160
Speaker 2: on the field. They're just gonna get the fourth Now

1429
01:13:57,280 --> 01:14:00,360
Speaker 2: are you gonna get the third? First down? Now, I'm

1430
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 2: I'm with you. I thought that was the first down

1431
01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:04,360
Speaker 2: when Kincaid's lengthened it.

1432
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:08,560
Speaker 1: Out, his knees did not test. It's just, yeah, that's

1433
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:09,880
Speaker 1: the only hosed on both of them.

1434
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:12,400
Speaker 2: That's one of the frustrating plays about the game late

1435
01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:13,720
Speaker 2: that didn't go the Bill's way.

1436
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:15,760
Speaker 1: That and that's why you got to be up on

1437
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 1: this team on the scoreboard so that if you do

1438
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:22,360
Speaker 1: get hosed on a bad call by an official, it

1439
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:25,799
Speaker 1: doesn't cost you a football game because those two plays

1440
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 1: cost them possession of the ball, and the Chiefs go

1441
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:31,439
Speaker 1: down and kick a field goal and that's the game. Yeah,

1442
01:14:31,479 --> 01:14:34,160
Speaker 1: there it is. So you know, you look at the

1443
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:37,400
Speaker 1: week eleven game, you kick a field goal, you're up nine,

1444
01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:42,280
Speaker 1: and now now you're in a much better place because.

1445
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:44,639
Speaker 2: Well they have the ball up nine. When Josh went

1446
01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:46,599
Speaker 2: in fourth and two and he ran into twenty six yards,

1447
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:49,080
Speaker 2: that's put him up by nine. Yeah, yeah, and that.

1448
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:52,760
Speaker 2: But yeah, you've got to be up two scores two

1449
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:54,240
Speaker 2: minutes to go or they're going to score.

1450
01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:54,479
Speaker 1: You know.

1451
01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:57,040
Speaker 2: That's the way the Chiefs are that. You know, there

1452
01:14:57,120 --> 01:15:00,360
Speaker 2: was a team in my past that did that as

1453
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:03,760
Speaker 2: well when I was a kid, Roger Staubach and the

1454
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:07,240
Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys and Tom Landry and Drew Pearson and that

1455
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:10,799
Speaker 2: whole crew. There was a big sentiment around the league

1456
01:15:11,320 --> 01:15:13,639
Speaker 2: where you had to be up on them two scores

1457
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:16,240
Speaker 2: inside the two minute because they they did what teams

1458
01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:20,479
Speaker 2: do now forty five fifty years ago. They'd spread it

1459
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:26,680
Speaker 2: out and they go and they scored. I mean, and

1460
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:30,920
Speaker 2: you know that's so it's not unprecedented, and that's what

1461
01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:32,360
Speaker 2: you got to do. That's where the Chiefs are sitting

1462
01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:34,439
Speaker 2: right now. You've got to be up on those jokers

1463
01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:36,960
Speaker 2: or they're going to come back. As we who knows

1464
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:37,759
Speaker 2: better than the Bills?

1465
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:40,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, break time for us here, more of your phone

1466
01:15:40,439 --> 01:15:42,880
Speaker 1: calls when we return on Tuesday edition of One Bill's Live,

1467
01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:59,719
Speaker 1: Stay with us all right back here. I want Bill's

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01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:01,680
Speaker 1: live sprout, Steve Cash are going to get right back

1469
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:03,679
Speaker 1: to the phone at EIGHTO three oh five fifty where

1470
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:07,799
Speaker 1: we were asking you today, what was the biggest surprise

1471
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:12,559
Speaker 1: about the twenty twenty four Buffalo bills for you? So

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01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:15,719
Speaker 1: we go to Milton in Buffalo next, what's up Milton

1473
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:17,760
Speaker 1: and what's going on?

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Speaker 5: What surprised me was that everybody eats works of protection,

1475
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:24,960
Speaker 5: you know, I mean, and Josh Allen was a great

1476
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 5: player through that. It worked to the prostruction throughout the

1477
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 5: whole year. I think the chemistry they were gaining chemistry actually,

1478
01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:33,600
Speaker 5: so I think they should have run it back with

1479
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:37,040
Speaker 5: the offense. But the problem was we had a good defense,

1480
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:39,439
Speaker 5: but we needed a great defense. Just like last year.

1481
01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:41,880
Speaker 5: At the end of the year, I thought that we

1482
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:44,880
Speaker 5: should have concentrated on defense, and we ran it back

1483
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:46,960
Speaker 5: and got the same results. So I think we need

1484
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:51,160
Speaker 5: to turn into an elite defense from the defensive ends

1485
01:16:51,160 --> 01:16:53,320
Speaker 5: to the safeties and where we just wanted people to

1486
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:56,280
Speaker 5: touch the points and complement the offense.

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Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I get it. And look, they tried

1488
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:04,559
Speaker 1: to address the safety position both in free agency and

1489
01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:08,679
Speaker 1: the draft. Mike Edwards was their free agent pickup who

1490
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:12,639
Speaker 1: actually started for the Chiefs down the stretch after their

1491
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:15,040
Speaker 1: starting safety Brian Cook went out with a season ending

1492
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:17,439
Speaker 1: leg injury and helped him on their Super Bowl run

1493
01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:21,240
Speaker 1: last year and played very well, and he was supposed

1494
01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:23,080
Speaker 1: to come in here. He was slated to be the starter,

1495
01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:25,920
Speaker 1: you know, kind of replace Micah Hyde in the free

1496
01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:28,800
Speaker 1: safety role. And then they draft Cole Bishop to learn

1497
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:32,960
Speaker 1: underneath him, and Taylor Rap presumably, and tomorrow Hamlin's your

1498
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:36,960
Speaker 1: fourth safety, and Mike Edwards has a bad hamstring injury

1499
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:40,320
Speaker 1: in camp, takes a long time to get healthy again,

1500
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:42,720
Speaker 1: and when he does, he doesn't go right back into

1501
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:45,280
Speaker 1: the starting lineup is expected. He doesn't like that, and

1502
01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:48,680
Speaker 1: before we know it, he's not here anymore. So now

1503
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:52,800
Speaker 1: you're down. You're down a guy that you thought was

1504
01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:57,320
Speaker 1: projected to be your starter. So you're down that. Then

1505
01:17:57,360 --> 01:18:00,519
Speaker 1: on top of that, you have injuries to a Hamlet

1506
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:03,160
Speaker 1: and Rap, and you know you have you have a

1507
01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:06,839
Speaker 1: game with Cole Bishop and cam Lewis as you're starting safeties.

1508
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:10,240
Speaker 1: At one point, Kareem Jackson is playing at age thirty five.

1509
01:18:11,439 --> 01:18:13,479
Speaker 1: It compromised the back end of the defense this year.

1510
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:15,400
Speaker 2: I thought, I know, he said, Mildney the same kind

1511
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:17,479
Speaker 2: of results last year because they ran it back. They

1512
01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:19,560
Speaker 2: kind of at one point they wish they could have

1513
01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:22,240
Speaker 2: run it back because they lost so many defensive players

1514
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:26,479
Speaker 2: up front and in the secondary obviously, so they they

1515
01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:29,320
Speaker 2: there was a bunch of question marks on this defense. Now,

1516
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:31,559
Speaker 2: certainly they got it together and they put together a night,

1517
01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:36,400
Speaker 2: like you said, a good season. You it takes a minute,

1518
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:45,360
Speaker 2: I think to come up with an elite defense. They're

1519
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:52,719
Speaker 2: gonna need a bolstered pass rush, big dudes down inside

1520
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:56,760
Speaker 2: playing well, and you know, obviously some corners on the

1521
01:18:56,880 --> 01:18:59,400
Speaker 2: edges more speed. Yeah, they got to get faster in

1522
01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:02,519
Speaker 2: the secondary. So there's a lot they need to get there,

1523
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:04,680
Speaker 2: at least physically. You would think that. Now, certainly you

1524
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:07,679
Speaker 2: can get guys who over overplay their their draft spot

1525
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:11,680
Speaker 2: like Milano and Bernard. Those two guys are money. You

1526
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:13,680
Speaker 2: might need a bunch of those guys who kind of

1527
01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:18,240
Speaker 2: exceed their expectations like those guys have. But nevertheless, you're right,

1528
01:19:18,240 --> 01:19:22,480
Speaker 2: I would agree with you. You need to give Babbage

1529
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:25,840
Speaker 2: some more physical tools out there on the field and

1530
01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:28,559
Speaker 2: see if they can do have a better result than

1531
01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:31,559
Speaker 2: they did this year. Their turnovers can't you can't sneeze out.

1532
01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:34,000
Speaker 2: That was the engine that drove the entire defense. Their

1533
01:19:34,040 --> 01:19:38,680
Speaker 2: ability to force turnovers consistently. It's one of the and

1534
01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:40,639
Speaker 2: I've said it over and over, it's it's the one

1535
01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:43,799
Speaker 2: stat that means a lot in a game, the turnover margin,

1536
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:46,559
Speaker 2: and it's the most unpredictable stat there is.

1537
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:48,599
Speaker 1: They made it predictable this year though.

1538
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:50,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's amazing.

1539
01:19:50,439 --> 01:19:52,879
Speaker 1: Two games they didn't get a takeaway. That is amazing.

1540
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:57,200
Speaker 2: That is amazing, and that's what drove this defense and

1541
01:19:57,640 --> 01:20:00,640
Speaker 2: helped carry this team to the ANFC Championship. I know

1542
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:03,880
Speaker 2: that the offense was awesome, but the defense's ability to

1543
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:06,920
Speaker 2: do that held its share the bargain up and that's

1544
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:08,200
Speaker 2: what really propelled them.

1545
01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:10,439
Speaker 1: And it was a big reason why this team was

1546
01:20:10,479 --> 01:20:12,720
Speaker 1: second in the league in scoring because they scored one

1547
01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:16,439
Speaker 1: hundred and forty points off takeaways. It's almost half their

1548
01:20:16,720 --> 01:20:19,360
Speaker 1: it's almost a third of their point total from this

1549
01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:21,080
Speaker 1: season they scored five hundred and twenty points.

1550
01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:24,080
Speaker 2: Also, it also allowed them to beat what many thought

1551
01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:27,560
Speaker 2: was a better football team in the Baltimore Ravens. That

1552
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:30,920
Speaker 2: was a hugely talented roster in the Ravens. They brought

1553
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:31,400
Speaker 2: in here and.

1554
01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:31,960
Speaker 1: You saw it.

1555
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:35,880
Speaker 2: The Bills played really well and one by two because

1556
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:37,479
Speaker 2: of three turnovers that they forced.

1557
01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:39,479
Speaker 1: Let's go to Rick in Northtown of one and next.

1558
01:20:39,479 --> 01:20:40,040
Speaker 1: What's up? Rick?

1559
01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:46,639
Speaker 9: Hey, I'm been a big fan for sixty years. I'd

1560
01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:50,000
Speaker 9: last championship I was up was in sixty four or

1561
01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:55,080
Speaker 9: over in the old Civic Stadium, and I was really disappointed.

1562
01:20:55,200 --> 01:20:58,720
Speaker 9: I thought this game, we had it, we had it

1563
01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:02,280
Speaker 9: for the taking. A couple of problems I had with it.

1564
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:07,639
Speaker 9: Number one is that pass that Ken City supposedly completed

1565
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:11,080
Speaker 9: down there, down at the right side, down of the

1566
01:21:11,439 --> 01:21:14,519
Speaker 9: I don't know fifteen yard line. That ball was on

1567
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:19,000
Speaker 9: the ground. They even showed that on newsbacks that ball was.

1568
01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:22,400
Speaker 9: That was an incomplete pass all the way around. And

1569
01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:26,280
Speaker 9: was that the reason that there was an official challenge

1570
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:29,280
Speaker 9: on that or right? Why didn't the Bills challenge.

1571
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:32,240
Speaker 2: The Bills did challenge it. The Bills did challenge it, Rick,

1572
01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:36,280
Speaker 2: and it got upheld. And you're guessing, yeah, that's what

1573
01:21:36,360 --> 01:21:36,639
Speaker 2: I said.

1574
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:39,720
Speaker 1: Now, the rule is there is a rule. I mean,

1575
01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:42,120
Speaker 1: it can still be a catch if the ball does

1576
01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:44,880
Speaker 1: make contact with the ground, so long as you have

1577
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:48,439
Speaker 1: it secured and it doesn't jostle or move around. So

1578
01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:52,000
Speaker 1: there are plays where the ball can touch the ground

1579
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:54,400
Speaker 1: and it can still be rule to catch. They obviously

1580
01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:57,479
Speaker 1: felt that that play fell into that category. I would disagree,

1581
01:21:57,560 --> 01:22:00,240
Speaker 1: but because he only had one hand on it at

1582
01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:03,240
Speaker 1: that point in time, so to me, that's not a reception.

1583
01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:07,400
Speaker 1: But they didn't. They felt it was secure against someone's body.

1584
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:09,840
Speaker 1: But it's because Cole Bishop had two hands on it

1585
01:22:09,880 --> 01:22:13,320
Speaker 1: and Worthy had one. And as Steve said earlier, the

1586
01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:15,720
Speaker 1: tie usually goes to the offensive player. That's just kind

1587
01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:17,639
Speaker 1: of the way they do it right, wrong, or indifferent.

1588
01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:22,040
Speaker 1: We go to Ron in Buffalo next. Let me bunch

1589
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:22,519
Speaker 1: them up here.

1590
01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:29,560
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, I like Matt collins Man. We got to

1591
01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:30,439
Speaker 9: sign him back.

1592
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:32,479
Speaker 11: It was good, good signing.

1593
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:36,880
Speaker 10: I just want to know why we're not doing like

1594
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:41,560
Speaker 10: jet sweeps or quarterbacks sweeps around in short yardage.

1595
01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:44,519
Speaker 11: I think we could make him you.

1596
01:22:44,479 --> 01:22:45,000
Speaker 7: Know what I mean.

1597
01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:51,080
Speaker 9: But I'll hang up and yeah, what you said.

1598
01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:53,400
Speaker 1: We kind of touched on this a little bit yesterday Ron,

1599
01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:55,879
Speaker 1: because someone had asked us, you know what about quarterback

1600
01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:57,760
Speaker 1: sweeps with Josh and a couple of alignment in front

1601
01:22:57,760 --> 01:22:59,960
Speaker 1: of him. That's a great idea. Brian Dable did that

1602
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:03,120
Speaker 1: with Josh a good deal like a just like a

1603
01:23:03,160 --> 01:23:06,000
Speaker 1: power the old school power sweep. I remember him doing

1604
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:08,760
Speaker 1: it three or four times on a key drive in

1605
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:12,439
Speaker 1: the Houston playoff game back in twenty nineteen. So that

1606
01:23:12,720 --> 01:23:16,240
Speaker 1: was a part of their offensive playbook from years ago.

1607
01:23:16,240 --> 01:23:17,599
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's still in there. I would

1608
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:19,759
Speaker 1: think there are pages in there somewhere where it exists.

1609
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:21,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, the offense is kind of evolved away from that. Plus,

1610
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:25,120
Speaker 2: they don't have a guy like Isaiah McKenzie or whatever

1611
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:27,439
Speaker 2: you could say, Curtis Samuel, But I don't think that

1612
01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:31,040
Speaker 2: they I don't think that's his forte although he could

1613
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:32,720
Speaker 2: do it. I don't think they have a guy that

1614
01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:37,280
Speaker 2: is perfectly built for it for the jet sweeps. And

1615
01:23:37,479 --> 01:23:40,639
Speaker 2: I think too, I mean, Josh is his seventh year

1616
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:45,280
Speaker 2: this year. It's about time for him to stop doing that.

1617
01:23:46,240 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 2: I think they're very aware that all it takes is

1618
01:23:50,479 --> 01:23:52,120
Speaker 2: one good shot to him and all of a sudden

1619
01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:54,640
Speaker 2: he's got a busted non throwing hand he's got to

1620
01:23:54,640 --> 01:23:56,599
Speaker 2: live with for the entire first half of the season,

1621
01:23:56,680 --> 01:24:00,080
Speaker 2: and then shoulder and her elbow or whatever like that.

1622
01:24:00,160 --> 01:24:04,240
Speaker 1: It's well, they saw it first hand with Cam Newton, right,

1623
01:24:04,439 --> 01:24:07,639
Speaker 1: Sean McDermot and Brandon Bean kind of saw Cam Newton

1624
01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:10,200
Speaker 1: take a lot of those hits. He wasn't as accomplished

1625
01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:12,840
Speaker 1: a passer as Josh is, right, so he ran it

1626
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:16,360
Speaker 1: probably even more than Josh did, and those hits they

1627
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:17,040
Speaker 1: add up.

1628
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:20,120
Speaker 2: And I think they've evolved away from having Josh be

1629
01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:22,960
Speaker 2: that big a percentage of the offense. There's a point

1630
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:24,400
Speaker 2: where he's like eighty percent of the.

1631
01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:26,320
Speaker 1: Offense when you get to the playoffs, though all bets

1632
01:24:26,360 --> 01:24:28,320
Speaker 1: are off, that's right. I mean, Mahomes is running more

1633
01:24:28,320 --> 01:24:29,519
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, so we saw that.

1634
01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:32,240
Speaker 2: So he's picking a spot in a passing game. Though

1635
01:24:32,840 --> 01:24:35,160
Speaker 2: he did have the one run on from six yards

1636
01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:39,040
Speaker 2: out or twelve yards out, yeah, which was I don't

1637
01:24:39,040 --> 01:24:40,559
Speaker 2: know if that I think it was a cold run.

1638
01:24:40,479 --> 01:24:43,439
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, it was a read option kind of, that's right.

1639
01:24:43,479 --> 01:24:50,160
Speaker 2: So I'm yeah, it's risky and I think that's I

1640
01:24:50,160 --> 01:24:53,160
Speaker 2: think they also feel really confident in the guys they've

1641
01:24:53,200 --> 01:25:00,000
Speaker 2: got out there to get it done without having Josh

1642
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:03,000
Speaker 2: be the guy that's you know, following offensive lineman and

1643
01:25:03,080 --> 01:25:07,479
Speaker 2: around the end. So I'm I think that's more about

1644
01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:10,000
Speaker 2: about it. Than you know, the reason they're not doing

1645
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:14,080
Speaker 2: it these days, and than they like they were different

1646
01:25:14,120 --> 01:25:17,760
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator, different players.

1647
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:18,160
Speaker 1: Yep.

1648
01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:21,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think that's that's all part and parcel

1649
01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:23,679
Speaker 2: of why the offense evolves away from what it used

1650
01:25:23,680 --> 01:25:23,880
Speaker 2: to be.

1651
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:26,519
Speaker 1: To Andy in north Tonawanda, what's.

1652
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:29,040
Speaker 14: Up, Andy, Yeah.

1653
01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:32,720
Speaker 18: I got a little question about the officiating. You know,

1654
01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:37,800
Speaker 18: they must have I would say sixty to eighty officials

1655
01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:43,080
Speaker 18: in their organization, and they missed to use maybe twelve

1656
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:46,400
Speaker 18: over the weekend. Now, you know, I was a basketball

1657
01:25:46,479 --> 01:25:49,639
Speaker 18: official for many years and we had a rating system,

1658
01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:53,280
Speaker 18: and I'm sure they have one, and the best referees

1659
01:25:53,400 --> 01:25:56,760
Speaker 18: got the tournament games. Now, I'm not too sure. I

1660
01:25:56,800 --> 01:26:00,400
Speaker 18: saw on Facebook before the game that this was one

1661
01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:05,479
Speaker 18: of the worst officiating crews that calls chinseik fouls. Now,

1662
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:09,680
Speaker 18: they called that swipe on the face mask of the

1663
01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:13,080
Speaker 18: one guy. I mean, he didn't grab the face mask

1664
01:26:13,880 --> 01:26:18,840
Speaker 18: and Steve you would know this probably too. Uh, the

1665
01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:22,040
Speaker 18: guy's got a toe on the line and that's when

1666
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:26,840
Speaker 18: they I think they got to Josh that time, and

1667
01:26:27,080 --> 01:26:31,920
Speaker 18: uh you know the play was called back another time

1668
01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:33,960
Speaker 18: another time.

1669
01:26:35,240 --> 01:26:38,679
Speaker 1: Well, instead of individual examples, Andy, what's your overarching point here,

1670
01:26:39,560 --> 01:26:39,920
Speaker 1: I just.

1671
01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:43,080
Speaker 18: Want to make one more play clear. On the first

1672
01:26:43,160 --> 01:26:46,479
Speaker 18: fumble of homes, I mean, they call the guy off

1673
01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:50,120
Speaker 18: sides and you know, and the play was on the

1674
01:26:50,200 --> 01:26:53,680
Speaker 18: other side of the field, and they just called so

1675
01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:58,600
Speaker 18: many stupid fouls and uh, you know, I don't know

1676
01:26:58,640 --> 01:26:59,879
Speaker 18: why they get the favorites.

1677
01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:03,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get what you're saying. Andy, we're up against

1678
01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:07,920
Speaker 1: the break here. First of all, Cleete Blakeman's crew in

1679
01:27:07,960 --> 01:27:10,960
Speaker 1: the regular season, yes, they were second most flags thrown,

1680
01:27:11,040 --> 01:27:14,200
Speaker 1: second most penalties assessed. But in the playoffs, the squads

1681
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:16,880
Speaker 1: are blended with the highest rated officials, and Blakeman last

1682
01:27:16,920 --> 01:27:22,160
Speaker 1: Sunday had only his back judge from his staff among

1683
01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:25,320
Speaker 1: the crew that officiated the game Sunday. All the other

1684
01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:29,519
Speaker 1: officials on the crew were from other crews that got

1685
01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:32,200
Speaker 1: the highest ratings from the regular season through the NFL.

1686
01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:35,080
Speaker 2: Officiations like seven positions on the field that they do

1687
01:27:35,800 --> 01:27:38,120
Speaker 2: and all those well.

1688
01:27:38,200 --> 01:27:40,680
Speaker 1: So as a blended crew, they officiated it the way

1689
01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:43,920
Speaker 1: they did. We obviously disagree with a handful of the calls.

1690
01:27:44,680 --> 01:27:47,200
Speaker 2: And the game was razor thin anyway, So that's that's

1691
01:27:47,200 --> 01:27:51,000
Speaker 2: the way it is. So, yeah, you're right, we sometimes

1692
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:53,800
Speaker 2: this same come the same conversation comes up for some

1693
01:27:53,840 --> 01:27:57,439
Speaker 2: people every year. This time it's the Bills, and it'll

1694
01:27:57,439 --> 01:27:59,640
Speaker 2: probably be There'll probably be some of it for some

1695
01:27:59,720 --> 01:28:00,679
Speaker 2: other teams as well.

1696
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:02,840
Speaker 1: Break time for us. We'll close it up next here

1697
01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:21,160
Speaker 1: on one Bill's Live Stay with us. He's got some

1698
01:28:21,240 --> 01:28:23,000
Speaker 1: final thoughts here on the tweet sheet in terms of

1699
01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:25,200
Speaker 1: what part of the Bill surprised you the most this season.

1700
01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:27,519
Speaker 1: Tweets sheet brought to you by Corgan Moving Systems, official

1701
01:28:27,560 --> 01:28:30,120
Speaker 1: equipment moving company of the Buffalo Bills, and George says

1702
01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:33,280
Speaker 1: the rushing touchdowns. I knew Josh would get his, but

1703
01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:36,680
Speaker 1: an amazing number of touchdowns on the season from the

1704
01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:38,800
Speaker 1: running back group. Go Bills. Yeah, they had thirty two

1705
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:43,600
Speaker 1: rushing touchdowns this season. It led the league. Jeremy says preseason,

1706
01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:45,680
Speaker 1: I didn't have high hopes for them, actually predicted them

1707
01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:47,800
Speaker 1: just over five hundred. I was surprised how well they

1708
01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:51,799
Speaker 1: played above my expectations with a decent big name roster turnover.

1709
01:28:52,240 --> 01:28:55,040
Speaker 1: And then Nelly says, Mac Collins surprises every week with

1710
01:28:55,080 --> 01:28:57,679
Speaker 1: his pregame arrivals and spirited play on the field. Lots

1711
01:28:57,720 --> 01:29:00,360
Speaker 1: of big splash plays were made involving him I don't

1712
01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:03,360
Speaker 1: know much about him, but please keep him in Buffalo.

1713
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:06,240
Speaker 1: We love all that he brings. And then Darryl said,

1714
01:29:06,240 --> 01:29:08,720
Speaker 1: I lean into the old line as a group, with

1715
01:29:08,840 --> 01:29:11,680
Speaker 1: Morse leaving and then shifting parts around, namely McGovern. There

1716
01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:14,400
Speaker 1: was some concerns, especially with how McGovern had a few hiccups,

1717
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:16,880
Speaker 1: but the group turned out to be the strength of

1718
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:17,360
Speaker 1: the team.

1719
01:29:17,880 --> 01:29:18,120
Speaker 11: Yeah.

1720
01:29:18,240 --> 01:29:18,479
Speaker 1: Then that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not going to say it, but I could

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Speaker 2: say I told you so about how many touchdowns they

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Speaker 2: were going to score. I thought they would be effective,

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Speaker 2: particularly with John quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Like you, you said they'd be the highest scoring team

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Speaker 1: in the league. Missed it by that much. They were second,

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Speaker 1: but you were right there and on it. So that's

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Speaker 1: it for a Tuesday edition of One Bill's Live. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for joining us. We'll see you tomorrow at one