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Speaker 1: UFOs two, ghosts and government cover ups. History is riddled

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Speaker 1: which cells in your body are deprived of oxygen the

425
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Speaker 1: most or the fastest. Okay, So so that affects length.

426
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 1: And also people can take weeks to die or days

427
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: to die, yes, or it can come on very quickly. Sure.

428
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,919
Speaker 1: Now let's talk about your brain. Uh, your brain needs

429
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 1: a tremendous amount of oxygen to function properly. It keeps

430
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: very little in reserve. It's not there are no oxygen

431
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: tanks up there. It just needs a constant flow of blood,

432
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 1: and any cut off of oxygen will result in cell

433
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 1: death really fast, within three to seven minutes under Now

434
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: that's under normal circumstances. And it makes me think about someone,

435
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: let's say, m m A. I'm kind of a fan

436
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: of mm A. And when you see someone get choked out,

437
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: you it's it's hard to really understand that if you

438
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 1: deprive that person of oxygen for a little while longer,

439
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: it could be really bad, really really bad, and it's

440
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: very dangerous. I don't well, yeah, it's it's true that

441
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 1: depends up upon the length of the asphyxiation or the

442
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: length of the oxygen deprivation, and it also depends, oddly

443
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: enough on the external and internal temperature. We found when

444
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Speaker 1: we were looking at people who came back from the dead,

445
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: we found that inducing hypothermia may increase somebody's chances of survival.

446
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: The heart is also important. When blood is cut off

447
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: from the heart, a heart attack can take you down

448
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 1: pretty quickly. That's why strokes can so often hit, and

449
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: the time between a stroke and the time of death

450
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: can be so closely together. When you die, we can

451
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 1: break it into two phases. Right before you die, there's

452
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: what's called the agonal phase. The dying persons often disoriented,

453
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: will seem like she or he can't get comfortable, uh,

454
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 1: and also may seem like this person can't catch your breath,

455
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: which leads us to the next phase. Yeah, the death rattle.

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Speaker 1: If you have ever heard this, you know exactly what

457
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 1: it sounds like. If you have not, I hope you

458
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: don't ever have to hear it. This is when lots

459
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: of fluid builds up on the lungs and congestion causes

460
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 1: this sound. And it's called the death rattle because I

461
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe there's just not a better name for it.

462
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: It's it's a horrible sound. And you've heard it, Yeah, yeah,

463
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,360
Speaker 1: I have. I have heard it. So as the cells

464
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: in the person who's dying, the body as they lose

465
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: their connections right this person, you may even see them

466
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: convulse a bit, like they're having some kind of seizure

467
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: or muscle spasm. And that's another thing that I really

468
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: don't want to see, right it does. It does occur,

469
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: which is part of the reason that I treat reports

470
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: of famous last words with such skepticism, because as beautiful

471
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: as as it is to think that someone makes a flowery,

472
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: grandiose speech, oh witty one line and then just dies,

473
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: that's usually not how it happens. So let's talk about

474
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: the body after death. After the heart stops speeding, the

475
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: body begins to turn cold. This is known as the

476
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Speaker 1: death chill or algor mortis. So for each hour, the

477
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: body temperature falls about point eight degrees eight three degrees

478
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: celsius or one and a half degreased fahrenheit, until it

479
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: reaches room temperature or if they're outside the temperature of

480
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: the environment. At the same time, the blood starts to

481
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: pool and settle, and this is where we encounter the

482
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: stiffening of the body, known as rigor mortis. Yeah, and

483
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: that what is that two or six? I know it's

484
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: a while, it's like two six, two to six hours. Yeah,

485
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: And you know, if you're familiar with C S I

486
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: or any of those shows, you're familiar with that. Um,

487
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: it's a real thing. It's really weird. Now, why the

488
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: while the body as a whole, maybe there's still some

489
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: things inside the body or that are a part of

490
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 1: a body that can still be alive. Skin cells, for example,

491
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 1: can be harvested up to twenty four hours after death.

492
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: But there are some other things that are still alive

493
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: that lead to this putrification of the body as it

494
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: begins to break down, decon as it decomposes. That's that's

495
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: things like bacteria. A lot of the your intestines, you know,

496
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: are made up of so much bacteria. Ben right, it's

497
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: primarily bacteria. I think we mentioned this in an earlier episode, right,

498
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: I think it might have been the death and that

499
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: couple other ones too. It's a fascinating idea, right right,

500
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 1: that we are outnumbered in our own bodies by other

501
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: living things were much more like our own city, or

502
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: if maybe your own world, if you want, that walks

503
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: around and mistakes itself for an individual. And it's not

504
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: just in your intestines. It's all over and inside you. Yes,

505
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: so so, for instance, when when you die, the bacteria

506
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: inside you can survive, they start breaking down their host.

507
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: Here's a grizzly fact for you. The pancreas is so

508
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: full of so many different types of bacteria that it

509
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: pretty much digests itself after someone passes away. It's like

510
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: a fruit inside your body for the bacteria, and these

511
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: organisms work their way to other organs. Your body becomes discolored,

512
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: turning green and purple, then finally black. And if you

513
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: can't see this, you will smell it. M Yeah, that's

514
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: because the bacteria create this awful gas. Uh. It's really bad.

515
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: And in addition to smelling up the room or wherever

516
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: it is that you happen to die, the gas is

517
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: going to cause your body to bloat, your eyes will

518
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: bulge out of their sockets, tongue will swell and protrude.

519
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: There's some of the grizzly facts here we could mention,

520
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: but will continue to something a little different. Let's move

521
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: to a week after death. A week after death, the

522
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: skin has blistered and touching it can cause it to

523
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: fall off. A month after death, hair nails, teeth generally

524
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: fall out. The hair and nails. By the way, Josh

525
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: Clark just did an episode I think of Don't Be

526
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: Dumb where he mentions this and no, I think the

527
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: whole episode is based on it. The hair and nails

528
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: are rumored to grow after death, and you've seen that

529
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: movies all over the place and writing, Uh, that is

530
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: actually not true. There's no magical growth properties to these cells. Uh,

531
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Speaker 1: it merely looks like this because your skin is drying

532
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:56,959
Speaker 1: out after death. And I mean you know, as as

533
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: your skin starts to dry and pulls away from your

534
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: hair and from those cells, it looks as though it's

535
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 1: growing or has grown, at least the internal organs and

536
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: tissue liquefy, and that in turn swells the body until

537
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: it bursts out and then eventually, eventually, depending upon the

538
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: conditions of the environment in which this body is found,

539
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: all that remains is a skeleton. And then if we

540
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: move for months to years to centuries, only the bones.

541
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: And then if we move past that, unless you win

542
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: the lottery of fossilization rights, just nothing and depends again

543
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: on the conditions, because there have been there have been

544
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: many ancient I guess vestiges a remnants of humans found,

545
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: but more often when we say that we're talking about

546
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: you know, the very ancient ancient Homo sapiens. We're talking

547
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: about discoveries of pieces of skeletons. Yeah, I mean, it

548
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: also depends on the temperature of what zone or where

549
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: you are, humidity, aridness. But that's so that's what happens

550
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,320
Speaker 1: to the body, and this brings us to the more enigmatic,

551
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 1: I would say, the more crucial question. That's the body,

552
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,720
Speaker 1: what happens to the mind, what happens to the consciousness,

553
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: what happens to you? And we're gonna talk about that

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Speaker 1: about the body. We have talked about the nature of

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Speaker 1: death and how tricky it is to define it. And

589
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: now let's make it even more complicated. Let's talk about

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Speaker 1: the mind. Yes, the mind, Ben the mind, What is

591
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Speaker 1: this thing the mind right, right? Is it? Uh? Is

592
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: it consciousness? We can barely define consciousness, much less quantify it.

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Speaker 1: There have been all these reports of people dying matt

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Speaker 1: at least being clinically dead, only to return minutes or

595
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: hours later. And these are the things that we call

596
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: near death experiences or indeed ease kind of like oh,

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00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 1: do you remember that movie Flatliners? Oh? Yes, I do.

598
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: They used to scare the heck out of me. Man

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00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: A bunch of their in medical school and they're trying

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00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: to are they in middle school? I know. They're just

601
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: a bunch of doctors trying to figure out what the

602
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: afterlife is. So they bring people to the brink, let

603
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: them die, and then try and bring them back right. Yeah,

604
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 1: they like freeze them, induce uh, induce some kind of

605
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: clinical death, and then they shock them back right with

606
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: the paddles. Terrifying. But it turns out near death experiences

607
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: at whatever they are, uh spoiler alert, No one's quite

608
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: sure yet, but they're real, yeah, and and they're part

609
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: of our lives. Now. That's something that I think a lot.

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Speaker 1: I mean, hopefully most of you have heard of an

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00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: n D. I think you probably have. There that means

612
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: there are phrases like my whole life flash before my eyes,

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Speaker 1: or go into the light, or I went towards the light,

614
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: but I came back Caroline. Yes, it's a little different situation,

615
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: but you know, right, so yeah, yeah, that's that's a

616
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: great thing. And that's a great thing to point out

617
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: because they are part of our culture on and there

618
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: have been decades of research in this. But Matt, what

619
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: are these things? Are they hallucinations, spiritual experiences? Are they

620
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: a proof of life after death? Or are they just

621
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:42,720
Speaker 1: chemical changes in the brain and sensory organs right before

622
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: you die? Wow, way to be a buzz kill, Ben,

623
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Speaker 1: I know, I'm sorry. So this guy, Dr Raymond Moody

624
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: coined the term near death experience in his nineteen book

625
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 1: Life After Life, and many credit Moodies work with bringing

626
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: this this whole concept, this idea of a near death

627
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 1: experience to the publics That tension, right, But that's not

628
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: the first time this has happened. It's just he is

629
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: most likely to wane to coin the phrase. But the

630
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Speaker 1: phrase is important because it it creates the thing. Right,

631
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Speaker 1: It's no longer a concept, it's a thing. Right, It's

632
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: no longer a bunch of isolated experiences, but reports to this. Uh.

633
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Speaker 1: This is something Josh points out in his article. Reports

634
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 1: of this date as far back as Plato's Republic. WHOA,

635
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Speaker 1: that that's pretty old. Three and sixty b C. There's

636
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,760
Speaker 1: the story of a soldier who was killed in battle,

637
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: had a near death experience, describes his soul leaving his

638
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:41,720
Speaker 1: body and being judged along with others in heaven. WHOA,

639
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: And then he just came back. I guess, like, presumably

640
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 1: who did he get kicked out? I don't know. I

641
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,479
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm gonna have to go back and read

642
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: Plato's Republic. Well some it's interesting to say that because

643
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:59,399
Speaker 1: sometimes people say that they have this conversation where they

644
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: are told that they need to come back to do something.

645
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,720
Speaker 1: It's not your time, it's not your time. In fact,

646
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: most near death experiences share a share a surprising number

647
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: of common traits, but not all of them are created equal,

648
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: you know, and some don't follow a pattern at all.

649
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: There have been people who died and say it was

650
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: just dark, I felt a jump, and I woke up here,

651
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: you know ingrating memorial or whatever. But there. But I

652
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: would say, I mean a lot of them do share

653
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,399
Speaker 1: some common things, right, sure, let's talk about a few. Well,

654
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: one of them is the light that we mentioned. Going

655
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: towards the light. Sometimes it's this very intense, not painful,

656
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: sometimes painful, but not always painful, that will fill up

657
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: the room. And uh and oh. In some cases, subjects

658
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: see a light that they feel represents either their idea

659
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 1: of heaven or what they believe to be heaven, or

660
00:40:56,440 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: maybe even God. And that's that's interesting because you kind

661
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: of have to wonder if there's a ror shack aspect

662
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,760
Speaker 1: to this, you know, like a ruor shack ink blot,

663
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 1: wherein people are seeing a little bit more about there

664
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: themselves than they are seeing what's on the page. Oh yeah,

665
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: and if you're seeing that light, I'm I'm just assuming

666
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: that what I would associate with would be probably the

667
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: sun or warmth, you know, and something that is calming

668
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: and inviting. Almost I would I would probably I've never

669
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: to my knowledge, had in your death experience, but I

670
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: would imagine if if it happened to me, uh, and

671
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: I had already had a day that crazy, it would

672
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: be anything goes. I wouldn't. I would be completely fine

673
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 1: with the idea of being another worldly of some otherworldly encounter.

674
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: Another thing that people report, and this is fascinating, is

675
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: the out of body experience or o b E. This

676
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: is when someone dies, they feel that they have left

677
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 1: their body. That you will hear stories about looking down

678
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: and seeing the surgeons completing the operation. You'll hear anecdotes

679
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: of people watching their own bodies get shocked and then

680
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: being pulled back in. Uh. And sometimes they feel that

681
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: their spirit, their incorporeal consciousness is lifted out of the

682
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:26,439
Speaker 1: room into the sky, maybe even into space, toward that

683
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: intense lights. Now, I just want to point out that

684
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: and o b E may sound exciting. Um, it is

685
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: good to know that you don't have to have a

686
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 1: near death experience to experience and out of body experience. However,

687
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: we don't recommend most of them, at least on air. Okay,

688
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: I see where you're going. Uh. And let's also let's

689
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: also give a note to the government sponsored experiences or

690
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 1: experiments rather with outer body stuff, tremendously controversial checkout projects

691
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 1: Stargate and you know Swan s w A n N.

692
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: I just want to say you almost said government sponsored

693
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: experience and that phrase. Oh man, so many things are

694
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: being conjured with that. Oh my gosh, not all of

695
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: them pleasant. So you could also you could also, if

696
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: you have an indy um, enter into another realm. And

697
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 1: this is strange because I was reading about this even

698
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,760
Speaker 1: as a kid. You know, people would say they may.

699
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: Most people who say they go to some other place

700
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: go to a place where they feel like a safe, warm,

701
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: glowing light bathing them, essentially heaven, some some version of

702
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: an afterlife paradise. But a minority of people have described

703
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 1: their passage. They say they do go somewhere, but they

704
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 1: go somewhere terrible, horrible, beyond human comprehension. They go to

705
00:43:55,960 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 1: whatever is on the other side of that drop in

706
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 1: uh event horizon. They go to hell, something very much like.

707
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: That's their report. It makes me think about whether or

708
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: not what type of pain receptors are involved with that.

709
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,760
Speaker 1: You know, if you're if you're still able to feel

710
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: whatever has caused you to enter this state, if you

711
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: can feel it intensely, then I can imagine that you

712
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 1: probably end up in hell. That's interesting. Yeah, And then

713
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 1: again it's how much of this is based on someone's perception,

714
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 1: Because we will say that there is at this point

715
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: no universally scientifically accepted proof that these people are actually

716
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: going somewhere. But so what we're telling you are the

717
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: reports of people have survived, and they also sometimes don't

718
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 1: go there alone. No, Sometimes when you have an out

719
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: of body experience, there are other things, other beings with you.

720
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: These sometimes have been called beings of light. Sometimes there

721
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 1: are rever presentations of spiritual entities like an angel or

722
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: again in rare cases, a demon um. But a lot

723
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: of people will think that they're seeing dead loved ones,

724
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 1: people who have already made it to wherever it is

725
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: that they believe they are. And there are also reports

726
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: of of course we've mentioned the tunnel, that people feel

727
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: they're in a tunnel with that intense light at the end.

728
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:25,720
Speaker 1: They also have reported communication. This is something that happens

729
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: often where the subjects or the people have returned from

730
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 1: this near death experience. Uh say that they heard a

731
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: voice telling them it's not their time to go back

732
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: as some also say that they were given a choice

733
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 1: to go into the light wherever it may lead, or

734
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 1: return to their earthly body. And then the last one

735
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 1: that we're we're going to talk about here is the

736
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: idea that you see your entire life right, you get

737
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: a replay or at least major point in your life

738
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: where you're maybe it's just your brain firing off all

739
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: these different memories really rapidly. Um. Some people call this

740
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: the panoramic view of life. Others will see a fast

741
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: forward film of the entire thing. Um. You know this

742
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 1: can be. There are a lot of different ways that

743
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: this has manifested. Some people say that it happened extremely fast.

744
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 1: Some people say it happened really slowly, and they were

745
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: there for almost another lifetime, and they might feel that

746
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: they're being judged during this time. Yes, so I think

747
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: it's interesting that you point out the difference here mat

748
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: between and out of body experience and a near death experience,

749
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: because some people, uh, some people claim to experience these

750
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:49,720
Speaker 1: out of body circumstances when there's no death or dying

751
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: or even physical threat. To have time for like a

752
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: quick anecdote. Yeah, okay, so I'm not gonna I'm not

753
00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: gonna go too much into personal history. But you know

754
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 1: of this because you and I have talked about it

755
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: off air. Uh. Members of my family on one side

756
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 1: of my family where I'm from historically have and this

757
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 1: is not Nashville A's and gentlemen is a much more

758
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: rural area. But members of my family have claimed for

759
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 1: decades in the past to have things where they'll have

760
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: dreams that later come to pass, or they'll say that

761
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:30,800
Speaker 1: they have had out of body experiences or can induce them.

762
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 1: And you know, these are members of my family, so

763
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to violate their privacy or anything. But listeners,

764
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:45,720
Speaker 1: I believe it is quite possible that you know someone

765
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,280
Speaker 1: who feels that they have experienced this, or that you

766
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: yourself may have experienced something like this inexplicable thing, right,

767
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: And that gets us to some interesting statistics. How many

768
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: people have had something like a near death experience or

769
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: an out of body experience. Well, according to a nineteen

770
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: eighty two poll by Gallop and William Proctor, they found

771
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: that fifteen percent of all Americans who had been in

772
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:17,720
Speaker 1: a near death situation where they almost died or died

773
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: and then came back had experienced an n D. So

774
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 1: not that many people, as a matter of fact, of

775
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: a minority, definitely a minority, but fifteen percent, I don't know, yeah, Well,

776
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 1: of that fifteen percent, nine percent said their experience had

777
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: this out of body thing going on, and eleven percent

778
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 1: again of that fifteen percent UH said they entered another

779
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: realm or dimension. An eight percent said they met spiritual beings.

780
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: Now in comparison to all of the people who had

781
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 1: been in these near death situations, it's a very small number,

782
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: and it's getting smaller. But good news on this. Of

783
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: the people pulled of that fifteen percent, only one percent

784
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:05,320
Speaker 1: ordered a negative experience. But we gotta remember these reports

785
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:09,439
Speaker 1: are you know two that's that's upwards of twenty years ago.

786
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,839
Speaker 1: And there are other researchers who that you know, when

787
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: they when they are studying this kind of thing, they're

788
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: usually looking at a much smaller scale UM. And also

789
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 1: the statistics on indies are going to vary pretty widely, right,

790
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: So much of pulling and pulling isn't art. So much

791
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: of pulling depends on how the question is framed and

792
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:36,760
Speaker 1: where where you're sampling, where you're sampling, who you're asking,

793
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: even the time of day or the environment they're in. UH.

794
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 1: For instance, those people who are being pulled in a

795
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: busy day at the mall are a lot less likely

796
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: to think in depth about their answer. UH. The but

797
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: the point being that these statistics still are not conclusive.

798
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: One thing that is very interesting that the Gallop poll

799
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: found there was that religious beliefs or lack of religious

800
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: beliefs don't appear to affect the likelihood of having a

801
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:15,760
Speaker 1: near death experience. So somebody who is very much considers

802
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 1: themselves very religious to whatever particular religion it might be,

803
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: and someone who considers themselves completely an atheists may all

804
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: have a similar experience. It doesn't necessarily impact their thing.

805
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 1: It's not just um, one particular denomination of Christians or

806
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: one particular Eastern religion having these experiences. It's across the board,

807
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 1: and people aren't sure exactly what the common dominator is

808
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:53,879
Speaker 1: other than almost other than dying, other than dying, other

809
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: than dying. Wow, it's it's one of those things, man, Man,

810
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 1: this whole topic. You know, we talked about it a

811
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 1: little bit earlier. But my existential dread of death brought

812
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,280
Speaker 1: on to me by my grandfather. It's not his fault.

813
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: He just just was a great thinker and he thought

814
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,720
Speaker 1: about it way too much. And I don't know, somehow

815
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:15,399
Speaker 1: or another he's got me to think about it way

816
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:20,320
Speaker 1: too much, and this kind of stuff, thinking that all humans,

817
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 1: all life maybe experiences this kind of thing when it dies.

818
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. I wonder do you think that do

819
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 1: you think the higher order animals? Do you think that

820
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,240
Speaker 1: mammals experienced something? I mean, we know so little about

821
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: animal intelligence other than the fact that we woefully underestimated

822
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,359
Speaker 1: it for most of human history. I guess it just

823
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: depends on what is scientifically happening to trigger whatever is occurring,

824
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:51,720
Speaker 1: and what exactly is experiencing this. Now I'm excited about

825
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:55,839
Speaker 1: this idea that because what is the near death experience

826
00:51:56,000 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 1: of an African elephant or chimpanzee, or or a cetacean

827
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: like a dolphin. You know, what do they do? They

828
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: swim toward a light for instance? Do they here that

829
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: falls of loved ones? What about even cattle? Yeah, that's

830
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 1: a that is true, because you cattle do have intelligence. Well,

831
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: either way, whatever we find should be applied to any

832
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: animal with the with the I guess the brain structure

833
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: a similar brain structures. Because at this point scientists cannot

834
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: ultimately explain why some people have near death experiences and

835
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 1: why some people don't. And that's partially because these things

836
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: are complex, they're emotionally charged, and there's a lot of it.

837
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: We can't really test, like there's there's not an effective,

838
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: double blind, peer reviewed methodology for whether someone actually met God. Yeah,

839
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:56,240
Speaker 1: these are all subjective reports of people who experienced something

840
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 1: on their own. Yet we can attempt little bit of um,

841
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 1: let's call it scientific speculation. How about that? All right, So,

842
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: our brains process sensory information. We know that much. We

843
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 1: know that what you and Noel and I and everybody

844
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 1: else listening to this encounters as reality is just the

845
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 1: sum of sensory information we received, filtered by our brains.

846
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 1: And really it's only the stuff our brains say, Hey,

847
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 1: that's what that is? Look at that? Yeah, what's that smell?

848
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: What's that smell? Is that a horse selling? Our brain? Sell? Like, yeah,

849
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: our brain? And then sometimes our brains we'll get something

850
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: and not send entire conscious mind like I forget about it, Yeah,

851
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 1: forget about Yeah, I'm just gonna pretend that's there. Yeah, yeah,

852
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: you should get a sandwich, me and stomach. We're talking Lord,

853
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 1: so sequel to inside out, going on as it is?

854
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 1: But okay, So that so we have these these huge

855
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 1: nets cast through all of our different sensory organs, and

856
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: then we also have a very complex system of nerves

857
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: and muscles that do something most of us take for granted.

858
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: If you're not driving, listeners, if you're in a place

859
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: where it's safe for you to do this, like you

860
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: to close your eyes, close your eyes and they close

861
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 1: and and listen to this. So take your right or

862
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: left hand, your choice, and hold it out in front

863
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 1: of you. Now move it to wherever you want to

864
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 1: move it slowly, make take your index finger and touch

865
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: it to your nose. Not that hard, hunt, Isn't that weird?

866
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 1: We know where our We know where our body is

867
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 1: in space without observing it through other things. Our brain

868
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:54,800
Speaker 1: knows what our hand is doing when it's not looking

869
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: at it. It's the superpower we take for granted. That's

870
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 1: how we know where we are in space. That really

871
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,359
Speaker 1: is something I take for granted. That's something everybody takes

872
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: for grant because we're used to it. Can I kinda

873
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 1: take you something that I do? So one of my

874
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 1: favorite things is to get on my drum kit when

875
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 1: all of the lights are out and there's not a

876
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 1: single source anywhere and it's in the pitch black and

877
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 1: tests to see if I can play a song all

878
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: the way through in the complete darkness. Just by understanding

879
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 1: where the things are in muscle memory. That is one

880
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 1: of my hands down favorite things to do. So I

881
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,919
Speaker 1: just want to say thank you human bodies for being

882
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: able to do that. Can you do that? Can you

883
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:34,919
Speaker 1: play the songs in the dark? Oh yeah, dude, that's

884
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 1: that is so interesting. That's amazing. I would love to

885
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 1: I would love to see slash here that I guess

886
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: here it. Yeah, yeah, you wouldn't see it unless you

887
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 1: had night vision. Will work on it. So, but that's

888
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 1: that's another sense, right, So imagine that as you're dying,

889
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 1: all of your senses are malfunctioning. Right. Uh. You know,

890
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 1: people will say that hallucino hallucinogens can induce some similar

891
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 1: experiences to in your death experience. So instead of the

892
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:06,240
Speaker 1: real stuff that's happening, what you're hearing, what you're feeling,

893
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:10,800
Speaker 1: what you're seeing is faulty information, maybe because of drugs,

894
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 1: maybe because there's some sort of traumatic experience causing your

895
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: brain to shut down. So what you're actually getting from

896
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 1: that great filter is your brain trying to interpret and

897
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 1: curate all this information. So some some scientists have said

898
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: that this neural noise for lack of a better term,

899
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: and overload of information creates that image of a bright

900
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 1: light that grows larger, and that because your your spatial

901
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 1: sense right is malfunctioning, that your brain might interpret this

902
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 1: as you moving because it's it's losing control. It's it's wow,

903
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 1: that's fascinating to think about. It's you know, it's it's

904
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,919
Speaker 1: not a conclusive proof, but it's a pretty good argument. Yeah,

905
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 1: it's a good argument, and I can visualize it really well.

906
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: We also know that there's this peaceful, calm sensation people

907
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 1: report during a near death experience, and that could be

908
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 1: a coping mechanism with what's going on. It could be

909
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 1: endorphins that are produced during the brain when there's some

910
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: kind of trauma. A lot of people will experience this,

911
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 1: this sense of strange detachment and almost this emotionless response

912
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 1: when you're going through some kind of traumatic event like this,

913
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 1: whether or not it's related to a near death experience.

914
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 1: And this is pretty much this is the same effect

915
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 1: that's going on in your body. Your your brain is

916
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:44,479
Speaker 1: trying to cope really hard with what's going on, and

917
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 1: it's almost like it doesn't it. So you can't say

918
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 1: that your brain doesn't understand, but it is getting signal

919
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: noise or you know their wires are being crossed. Sure,

920
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 1: so okay, well then how would we how would we

921
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: explain in this perspective, how will we explain those visits

922
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 1: to heaven or meeting with uh God? Well, that's that

923
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: could be a lot of things that are kind of

924
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 1: working together. You're we're talking about that faulty sensory and

925
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 1: put your oxygen deprivation, your your brain and your body

926
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 1: aren't getting that life the blood and the the chemical

927
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 1: that makes us function. And then you've got the endorphins

928
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 1: and the chemical concoction that's being released. Uh, and you

929
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 1: know it might create this surreal euphoria that's happening this

930
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: it feels realistic to you maybe, but it's just happening

931
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 1: in your mind. And then later we know how tricky

932
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 1: memory is. When the subject of the survivor recalls this encounter,

933
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 1: it goes through the filter of that person's conscious mind.

934
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 1: So these bizarre things that didn't make sense are retroactively

935
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 1: or kind of redcond Yeah, in in this argument again

936
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 1: into something understandable. You put your filter on that has

937
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 1: all of your or your past experiences, your beliefs, all

938
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 1: the structures that make up who you are, throw that

939
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 1: filter on that thing that you went through, and there

940
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 1: you go. And while we're talking about filters, this is

941
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 1: something that interests me to Uh, it's strange. How if

942
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 1: you look at the common stories of alien abductions in

943
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 1: the modern age and the common stories of fairy abductions

944
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 1: kind of things. It's strange how the tropes match one

945
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: on one and so closely. Anyhow, episode for another Day.

946
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 1: You mentioned like four episodes for another Day. But the

947
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:35,920
Speaker 1: next question is, how do we explain those out of

948
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 1: body experiences that occur using things like memories. Somebody is dead,

949
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 1: there's no brain activity, there's no blood flow. How did

950
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 1: they come back and remember something? Again anecdotal spoiler alert.

951
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 1: Project Stargate was closed because they figured that it was

952
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: all a bunch of malarkey. But if if it is true,

953
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: if some how people do have this ability to perceive

954
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 1: these things while they're not, while they're not in their body,

955
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 1: while their body is dead, while the part of the

956
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 1: brain that makes memory is closed for business, and then

957
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 1: they come back and say, I remember this person saying

958
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 1: this in the room with me. That's like driving a

959
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 1: car down a road that doesn't exist. And still getting

960
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 1: to your destination. This thing, uh, this thing could happen

961
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 1: just with retroactively explaining stuff. There's also a pretty compelling argument,

962
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 1: not not conclusive, but compelling argument that maybe people are

963
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 1: still receiving sensory information in a way that scientists have

964
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 1: yet to pin down or to track. I can imagine

965
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 1: some quantum stuff going on there that we just have

966
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 1: yet to study. Yes, and that is where we get

967
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 1: to the big end of this episode. What is consciousness

968
01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 1: is the question we still haven't answered, right, Yeah, well

969
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 1: we haven't on this show answered what is consciousness yet?

970
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 1: I don't think uh, I don't think anybody out there

971
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 1: has yet. Well, people have answered it to their satisfaction,

972
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 1: which maybe that's where it belongs. I mean, is consciousness

973
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 1: a thing hardwired into the surface of the matter making

974
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 1: up your brain like a tattoo along your neural net

975
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 1: your synapsis, or is the substance of the brain, just

976
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 1: like a radio receiver is at the end point for

977
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:30,440
Speaker 1: something like a radio wave, Is that what you are?

978
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 1: Is that what the consciousness is? And if that is

979
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 1: the case, where is the transmission coming from? I'm pretty

980
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 1: sure it's Georgia State Radio. I mean, yeah, I got

981
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 1: maybe I got on a little bit of a soap,

982
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 1: but no, I love it. But I'm just sitting here listening.

983
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 1: I love We don't have the answer though, and eight

984
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 1: five is the point, which is a pretty good radio station,

985
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 1: and I really enjoy it. Then, uh, then that I'm

986
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 1: happy with that. But listeners, we would like to hear

987
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 1: from you whether you have had a near death experience

988
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 1: and out of body experience. Whether you think the current

989
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 1: scientific theories of this hold any water. Do they have sand?

990
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 1: If so, why? If not? Why not? And we're about

991
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 1: oh is that you know. I'm not gonna say anything

992
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 1: this time. I'm just gonna let you hear the sound

993
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 1: of the mic clicking on. Sitting here in silence. Okay,

994
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 1: well I know, oh you are here, I'm here, Okay,

995
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 1: I was just kidding. Oh good, all right, So, no,

996
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 1: what do you what do you think? Do you have

997
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 1: you ever had and you know, there's a very personal question,

998
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 1: have you ever had out of body experience or anything

999
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:48,520
Speaker 1: like that? No, I mean the closest thing I've had

1000
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:53,560
Speaker 1: are like brushes with things that one could interpret as

1001
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 1: being a sign of of the afterlife. For you know,

1002
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 1: what happens next, but I've usually been able to justify

1003
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 1: them in somewhere or another. But I can't help but like,

1004
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 1: remember the feeling of feeling like that was a thing,

1005
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 1: even though I was able to later kind of say,

1006
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 1: oh no, this is actually what happened. Um, So I'm

1007
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 1: sort of on the fence about a lot of that stuff.

1008
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say I don't believe that that stuff is possible,

1009
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 1: but I definitely I don't know enough to know. Would

1010
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 1: you mind? Oh, yeah, there's a there's a couple. There's

1011
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 1: one in particular where the girl used to date in college. Um,

1012
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 1: a good friend of ours passed away in a car accident,

1013
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 1: and she would just kind of come and meet me

1014
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 1: in between classes and we would hang out her car

1015
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 1: for a while or just kind of in the area.

1016
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:43,480
Speaker 1: But there was one time where it was cold, so

1017
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:46,880
Speaker 1: we were definitely stating in her car, and um, she

1018
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 1: was sitting in there waiting for me, and I got

1019
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 1: there and she looked really upset and freaked out, and

1020
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:53,880
Speaker 1: I was like, what's wrong, And she kind of looked

1021
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 1: at the windshield and the inside the windshield and she

1022
01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:57,760
Speaker 1: sort of blew on it. And the girl who had

1023
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 1: died her signature was there on the inside the windshield,

1024
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 1: and it was like this intense moment of like, oh

1025
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 1: my gosh, I'm experiencing this thing. This is real, like

1026
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:09,360
Speaker 1: all of this stuff is really happening. And then you know,

1027
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 1: you give it a little more thought and you realize,

1028
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 1: you know, she hadn't died that long ago, and they

1029
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 1: rode together a lot, and um, you know they were

1030
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:17,880
Speaker 1: like in their late teens early twenties. Is the kind

1031
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 1: of thing a girl would do is like write her

1032
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:21,440
Speaker 1: name on conversation on the inside of a wind on

1033
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 1: the on the inside of a window, and um, you know,

1034
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 1: it's ready to do on new fingers that can kind

1035
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 1: of stick around. And so that's now. I explained that,

1036
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:31,080
Speaker 1: but doesn't really change the fact that at the time

1037
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 1: I felt this like intense connection to something, which is,

1038
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 1: you know, it's weird. It's kind of sad to explain

1039
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 1: it away in a way, but I don't know that's

1040
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:43,480
Speaker 1: what that was well in in a way, explaining it

1041
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 1: in that manner is a coping mechanism, right, You're not

1042
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:50,480
Speaker 1: only even though it's kind of a hard thing to

1043
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 1: do sometimes it also, I don't know, it's one of

1044
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:56,320
Speaker 1: those things where you when you can bring that light

1045
01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 1: out in the darkness and say, well, maybe this is

1046
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:00,800
Speaker 1: what it is. I don't know, it actually makes me

1047
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 1: feel better. Yeah, no, I mean, it's definitely it was

1048
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 1: an interesting experience. I've had other moments like that, but

1049
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:10,960
Speaker 1: nothing that's pushed me over the edge. But yeah, I

1050
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 1: don't discount anything. I like to think that there's certainly

1051
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:17,800
Speaker 1: things beyond my understanding, but I will probably never understand,

1052
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:19,520
Speaker 1: so I choose not to be a jerk and say

1053
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 1: it's all focus. Oh yeah, I think absolutism is probably

1054
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 1: a foolish move, especially when we consider when we consider

1055
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:33,720
Speaker 1: how much of human history has been a It's like

1056
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 1: you remember that old story and we may mentioned on

1057
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 1: the air about the elephant and the mice, and there's

1058
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Speaker 1: y yeah, there's there are larger things, and human understanding

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01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:49,000
Speaker 1: is so cartoonishly limited at this point that it seems

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Speaker 1: almost arrogant too completely discount anything. Uh, I don't. I

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Speaker 1: don't feel like it's necessarily sad if there is a

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Speaker 1: scientific explanation, because that shows that there is some sort

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Speaker 1: of progress, But there's so much stuff that we as

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Speaker 1: a species are still grossly incapable of measuring, let alone understanding, right,

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Speaker 1: Like we we get to the brain and and you know,

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Speaker 1: it's true that there's a lot of pseudoscience, and it's

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Speaker 1: true that there are a lot of Charlatan's and swindlers

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Speaker 1: and things like that. But it's also true that there

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Speaker 1: are brilliant people working every day to add just a

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Speaker 1: little more light to this cavernous universe. And uh, I

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Speaker 1: just want to I want to be along for the ride, man,

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Speaker 1: I want to see what happens. It's interesting stuff. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's interesting times for sure. It seems like every day

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Speaker 1: there's something new that either completely contradicts or you know,

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Speaker 1: it starts a whole new idea. Here's the thing, here's

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Speaker 1: a question, and Matt, what do you guys think? Do

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Speaker 1: you think maybe this this is a question that presupposes

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Speaker 1: a lot of stuff listeners, So I understand if it's

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Speaker 1: a loaded question. Are we maybe not supposed to know

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Speaker 1: what happens after we die? Or is there really just

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Speaker 1: no answer? Is it really just that's it? Is it

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Speaker 1: like remember that video game Captain Planet where you had

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Speaker 1: to play the whole thing through and you only got

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Speaker 1: one life. No, it was a really difficult video. You

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Speaker 1: ever heard of this off the video games? Yeah? How

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Speaker 1: have I not played that? Well, let me save you sometime, man.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, because I'm gonna sit down and then not

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Speaker 1: get up until I beat it. But shoot, Like, if

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Speaker 1: there is something, then why why is there no proof?

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Speaker 1: Why do people have no clue? Me included? It's because

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Speaker 1: the experience of what being alive is outside of being

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Speaker 1: alive as a human, So like you have to separate

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Speaker 1: the two. So being alive as a human is a

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Speaker 1: thing that happens, right, You become alive all of a

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Speaker 1: sudden out of nowhere. Then you be I'm not alive

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Speaker 1: at some point further down the line right now. What

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Speaker 1: I'm proposing, gentlemen, is that that whole experience that is

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Speaker 1: all an arcade game set in the Rick and Morty universe. Uh,

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Speaker 1: that's what it is. You just start doing it and

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Speaker 1: then you end up you're back, and it's like whaaaa

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Speaker 1: dog dub and you're like, oh man, that's what the

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Speaker 1: whole thing was. So if you were ever in a

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Speaker 1: traumatic accident and you hear in the distance blabba labba dog, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's like, oh okay, I'm alright, it's just Rick. Yeah, No,

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Speaker 1: I mean backing it up to something slightly serious. I

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Speaker 1: guess I'm sorry, No, no, no, this is great. Um.

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Speaker 1: It's like you said that, we're sort of blinked into existence,

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Speaker 1: you know, based on whatever circumstances. But then somewhere along

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Speaker 1: the line we developed this entitlement where we're like, we

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Speaker 1: deserve to know. I mean, you got me fired, but

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Speaker 1: well what do you ink? Listeners, thanks so much for listening,

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Speaker 1: and we hope you enjoyed this. Again, death is a

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Speaker 1: serious and universal thing. So while we might be joking

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Speaker 1: around a little bit, it is I think, as we

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Speaker 1: said earlier, a little bit of whistling through the graveyard maybe,

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Speaker 1: But we hope you found this uh interesting, We hope

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Speaker 1: you found it um worth worthwhile. And more importantly, we'd

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Speaker 1: like to hear from you. Yeah. We we want to

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Speaker 1: do a bit of a poll of our own. Have

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Speaker 1: you experienced any kind of near death experience? And if not,

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Speaker 1: that maybe an out of body experience? Uh? And do

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Speaker 1: you have a relative that has a great story. We

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Speaker 1: just want to know. We want to we want to

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Speaker 1: know if you even believe in this stuff or what

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Speaker 1: you believe happens when we die. We want to know

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Speaker 1: all of that stuff because we just been and I

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Speaker 1: are curious. And again, you guys always send us the

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Speaker 1: best ideas, so the next time we update this will

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Speaker 1: be like, oh, look at all these people said they

1130
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Speaker 1: knew way more than us, Ben right, Yes, it's true.

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Speaker 1: And if it is a personal story that you do

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Speaker 1: not want to have on the air, then please let

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Speaker 1: us know that as well. We'll write to everybody who

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Speaker 1: writes in and and just check and make sure that's

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Speaker 1: cool before we bring anything to the public. But we

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Speaker 1: are going to head out. Oh and Matt, people want

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Speaker 1: probably want to know the best way to contact us, right, Yes,

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