WEBVTT - The Upcoming DC Far Right Rally 0:00:05.320 --> 0:00:12.000 What's a problem. It could happen here the show where 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:15.840 I'm a problem. I'm on vacation legally. You're not on 0:00:16.000 --> 0:00:22.599 vacation allegedly legally, But okay in Shelah, I'm drunk, Garrison, 0:00:22.840 --> 0:00:27.520 you're in charge. Now figure it out? Great, Hi, what 0:00:27.680 --> 0:00:32.680 it could happen here? Today? We are talking with somebody 0:00:32.720 --> 0:00:34.720 if you've listened to the past two episodes, you should 0:00:34.720 --> 0:00:39.200 actually know, uh, THEO, who is a journalist and researcher, 0:00:39.720 --> 0:00:43.920 and we are going to be discussing plans for an 0:00:44.080 --> 0:00:48.879 upcoming rally in Washington, d C. That's has a lot 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:53.560 of that seems good. Yeah, this is us. Never happened 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:58.440 when what happened last time? What happened last time? I 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:01.760 did this? I don't. I historically only pay attention to 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:06.679 things that happened after May and before December. So I'm 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:10.039 unaware of anything bad ever happening at DC. Well, something 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:14.120 bad stuff happened there last time. It got it got 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:18.800 a little spicy, Um, okay, spicy, But it's not like 0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:21.679 they tried to overthrow the government murder elected leaders, right, 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:25.880 that is what they are actually having too much fun. Yeah, 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:28.240 they're just boys. They were just proud of their boys, 0:01:28.480 --> 0:01:32.360 a little carried away building, all of the building, that 0:01:32.440 --> 0:01:37.520 big hanging contraption whatever it's called gallows gallows. Yeah, anyway, 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:42.000 we're talking THEO. Do you want to want to introduce yourself? Yeah, Hey, guys, 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:48.720 I'm THEO idealist and a researcher. I'm based out of Virginia. 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:53.400 Allegedly i end up covering a lot of events in 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:59.040 DC because of that, and that's my plans for this weekend. Yeah, 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:01.080 do you want to it? Do you want to give 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:04.640 us like an overview of what rallies and d C 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:07.480 have been like the past, let's say, like the past year. 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:14.640 Oh boy do I yeah, let's just just for background. Yeah, so, 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:19.280 like pretty much immediately post election, as the whole kind 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:23.480 of stop the steel thing got kicked into gear. Um, 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:27.919 November fourteen, there was a rally in d C. UM, 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:30.440 and then there was one December twelve, and then there 0:02:30.480 --> 0:02:33.520 is finally one as most people are probably aware, on 0:02:33.639 --> 0:02:38.560 January six. January six, you know, obviously got the bulk 0:02:38.560 --> 0:02:42.080 of the media coverage. UM. But November fourteenth and especially 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:50.040 December twelve were very violent situations in general. UM Proud Boys. 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:57.880 General Chudd's a bunch of oath keepers, bunch of people's 0:02:57.960 --> 0:03:03.120 confused mems and pat ups showed up. Um would kind 0:03:03.120 --> 0:03:11.840 of wander Yeah, yeah, pretty pretty fucked up. I know 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:13.880 some people who were there when they did, and it's 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:20.080 I don't know, it's sad, like it's really bleak. I 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:25.480 was there with the people that you know, yeah, oh good, yeah, 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:29.120 so you I mean that, It's just it's so fucking um. 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:32.560 I don't know the extent of the disinformation, right, it's 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:34.720 hard when you're talking about this to like express a 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:37.240 lot of sympathy for some of these people. And I'm 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:39.400 not sympathetic towards their aims. I'm not trying to do 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:41.480 the New York Times like let's talk to the Trump 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:45.080 voter down the street, but like a lot of them 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:48.080 are just like they're fucking dumb people who bought into 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:52.080 some bullshit and it destroyed them and their relationships with 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:54.760 their families in some cases cost them their lives, and 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:58.880 like you don't have to sympathize with them to be like, yeah, 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:02.240 that's bleak as ship know. Yeah, And I think you 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:05.640 see that with the d c rallies really more so 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:10.040 than like uh Portlands Proud Boy event, for example, that 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:13.080 is not at all a gathering of like the masses. 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:16.640 That's that's a specific group of pieces of ship. Yeah yeah, 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:20.320 And like you'd have absolutely like units of proud Boys 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:24.200 or oath keepers. We had three percenters some local Virginia militias, 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:26.560 and they'd kind of be wandering around. But during the 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:31.640 day itself, you'd normally see like speakers. Alex Jones was there. Um, 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:36.960 got to meet him. That was fun. Um, that's always 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:42.359 a meeting Alex. He's a great guy. It was really fun. 0:04:43.839 --> 0:04:48.240 He's his neck. It's hard to exaggerate how how he 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:52.200 is just as read in person. He's so red. And 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:55.159 as a guy who's good at strangling, it seems like 0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:59.880 he would be hard to strangle. Oh nearly impossible. Like 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:03.080 it's so big. It's such like it's like a fucking 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:07.520 train car. Like it's ridiculous how big that man's neck is. Look, 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:10.280 most people aren't hard to strangle. Alex Jones would be. 0:05:10.400 --> 0:05:14.479 That's not praising him, that's just being honest. So during 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:17.120 the day there would be speakers, you know, Alex Jones, 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:20.400 and you kind of see people split up into whatever 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:23.720 they're specific brand of fucker. He is there's like groups 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:28.040 of nerdy looking gropers. Um, there were some trad cats 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:33.280 wearing robes. Those guys were fun, but yeah, a lot 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:36.760 of it's you know, confused, like boomers on Facebook, and 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:40.520 kind of to Robert's point, like I normally didn't go, 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:43.960 you know, wearing press credentials because I value knives being 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:46.599 outside of me and not inside of Yeah, it's it's 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:49.960 good to not get stabbed. Most people appreciate that. Yeah, yeah, 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:53.200 it's one of my favorite things. And so I'd get 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:55.240 to like talking to these people, especially the older ones, 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:57.120 because I take the Metro into the city and they 0:05:57.120 --> 0:06:02.279 are they're just confused, old people who have gotten in 0:06:02.360 --> 0:06:05.240 over their heads. But yeah, then like the sun would 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:09.480 set and that's when the Proud Boys would really start 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:16.280 getting into ship. November they stabbed. I don't know if 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:19.080 I'm remembering this correctly, so feel free to fact check me, 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:23.360 but I believe it was two people on uh they 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:29.640 cracked a girl's skull. And then on December twelve they 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:34.640 stabbed one other person and Jeremy Bertino got blayed on 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:37.800 the street. He shared he shared in and the d 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:41.280 A elected not to prosecute because that was the clearest 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:46.480 case of self defense I have ever seen in my life. Um. Yeah, so, like, 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:49.240 like the dude literally tried to flee three times, he 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:51.440 drew his knife after by the third time he was 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:53.960 blinded by having a shirt puld and assaulted by a 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:56.760 group he had no other choice. Yeah. Yeah, he did 0:06:56.920 --> 0:07:00.440 exactly what you're supposed to do in that situation and 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:02.560 repeatedly tried to flee and what he did and he 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:05.960 stabbed Ah motherfucker, And you can't, I I can't. He 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:10.360 did nothing wrong in my in my opinion, the d's opinion. Yeah, 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:12.400 we're all probably better off for it. But yeah, there's 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:16.360 this kind of established Uh, there was this established sort 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:20.600 of cycle of show up a bunch of weird Republican 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:25.480 politicians that you've never heard of before, give speeches. Uh, 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:29.400 you go and kind of wander around, and then the 0:07:29.440 --> 0:07:32.360 Proud Boys come out and they funk around. Uh, and 0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:37.080 sometimes other groups too, like January the night before January six, 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:42.840 there were people from NSC one who were hanging out, 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:46.920 trying to cause trouble, getting in altercations all their normal 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:50.280 ship and so yeah, there's this kind of like general 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:55.120 mix of groups. January six shifted the paradigm on that 0:07:55.280 --> 0:07:57.120 a lot. And I think that's the big thing for 0:07:57.160 --> 0:08:02.720 this weekend is we don't really know it's gonna look like, Yeah, 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:05.280 can you talk about kind of what has kind of 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:08.880 the event promotion looked like from the right, Like what 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:11.280 have they what messages have they been putting out to 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:15.440 promote this event with? So, yeah, a lot of like 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:20.640 the bigger groups have been fairly explicitly saying like don't 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:25.480 go officially. Unofficially is a bit of a different story 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:29.600 and fairness, it's worth noting that prior to UM the 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:33.720 United Rally and Charlottesville, the Proud Boys were saying don't go, 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:36.680 and an awful lot of their most violent members were 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:40.120 at Unite the Right in Charlottesville. You know, it's some 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:43.440 some of this is a plausible deniability game. Yeah, So 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:46.520 like the official Proud Boys telegram channel was like, oh, 0:08:46.800 --> 0:08:48.800 this is I mean in different words, but we're pretty 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:51.400 much like this is a honeypot, this is a trap, 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:55.240 this is an op don't go. UM. But also like 0:08:55.280 --> 0:09:01.400 we've seen activity that really suggests otherwise. Yeah, Um, whether 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:04.440 it's like smaller, more local groups saying that they want 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:10.440 to go, or uh, streamers and journalists using the word 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:15.520 lightly to who have pretty close relationships with these groups, 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:19.520 hiring extra stringers for the weekend or looking like they're 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:23.840 preparing to report on something big. Yeah, the kind of 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:28.040 the I know, we've talked a little bit um online 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:31.840 with some of our colleagues, and there's definitely a mixed 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:35.880 a mixed a mixed opinion on how big the event 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:38.000 is going to be and who's all going to be 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:39.880 there and what kind of their goal is, which makes 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:43.080 kind of everything all the more tense because you know, 0:09:43.120 --> 0:09:45.320 it's almost easier to when we know what it's going 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:47.640 to be, like we like we have a good grasp 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:51.040 what's gonna happen, and this we're not really sure. Um 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:53.720 do you do you know, has there been any kind 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:56.360 of response from like local DC officials, like like law 0:09:56.440 --> 0:10:00.760 enforcement or anything about what they're gonna do at this gathering? 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:04.000 So I did see Capital Police is planning to put 0:10:04.040 --> 0:10:08.600 the fence back up. Um, probably a good idea, yeah, yeah, 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:11.400 which like will cover the capital. But there's also a 0:10:11.440 --> 0:10:13.559 problem with the fence going up, which is the back 0:10:13.600 --> 0:10:17.840 of the fence goes right up to the end of 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:22.320 the Black Lives Matter plaza in d c which has 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:25.439 been used as kind of a rallying point for UH 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:31.000 anti fascist activists. And when that fence is up, it's 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:37.040 just it's a funnel. The so it goes like this 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:40.120 is an of visual medium. There's a street uh and 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:42.400 that's where Black Lives Matter plause is and there's only 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:47.080 two exits, and both those exits lead to hotels that 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:51.319 Proud Boys and Chud's love to stay in. So what happens, 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:54.440 almost without fail is people go and hang out in 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:57.800 the plaza. You know, Chud's come down the streets. Police 0:10:57.840 --> 0:10:59.760 form a line and it's pretty much a pre made 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:06.520 all right. So that's like not good. It's good for 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:08.800 the capital, but it's not good for the people that 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:12.160 will be on the ground, Yeah, because they're also as 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:14.880 is most of these events. Um, there has been some 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:19.559 organizing locally and even you know UH anti fashions from 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:22.959 around kind of the country trying to like put out 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:25.080 advice and feelers and like what to do for the 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:28.679 specific gathering. UM, And I know there's been there's been 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:31.760 a decent amount of you know, there's there's always like 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:35.760 debate and conflict of around how much to show up, 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:40.040 where to show up. You know how proact people should be. Um, 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:42.880 but because this is the first big rally since j six, 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:45.640 I feel like there's a lot of people. I feel 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:48.440 it's much more important, and like the people that like, 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:50.240 you know, there's there's there's like there's like a heightened 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:54.040 sense around the specific thing. Um. Do you know, like 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:56.320 how many people are kind of roughly planning to show 0:11:56.440 --> 0:12:00.480 up on like the anti fashion side. It's really hard 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:05.000 to tell, um d C anti fascist actions. I've seen, 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:11.200 you know, a couple dozen people in block towards close 0:12:11.240 --> 0:12:14.400 to a hundred. I would um, from what I've heard, 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:18.880 the kind of main counter demo that's happening is uh 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:23.600 definitely less radical and it's kind of trying to establish 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:28.400 sort of a community space thing. Uh So I would say, 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:34.880 I don't know, expect around fifty like people who are 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:40.160 there to throw hands, yeah, and a lot more people 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:44.120 who are just kind of there. I mean, it's it's this, Uh, 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:47.240 it's this thing we saw. I was in d C 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:51.720 for Unite the Rite to you know, the second rally, 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:54.080 and it it didn't turn into much of a thing. 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:57.560 You know. I think because of the preparation, the expectation, 0:12:57.760 --> 0:13:00.839 and I guess I'm interesting and if you think I'm 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:04.080 wrong on this, but my current expectation is that maybe 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:07.520 that might be the most likely outcome because because of 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:11.600 the degree of and the unexpected event already occurred and 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:17.320 was awful, I'm not expecting anyone will be given free leash. 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:20.760 You know. Yeah, I could definitely see that sort of 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:23.720 Unite the Right to scenario playing out, especially because it 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:27.960 is very similar, like there was this massive shocking event 0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:34.640 that kind of yeah, yeah, and so then people will 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:37.600 I think the only big difference is like in the 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:42.520 aftermath of Unite the Right, you kind of saw at 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:45.920 times of misguided media focus, but still a media focus 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:52.000 on anti fascist activists as playing a unique role when 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:54.360 you didn't have that for January six, And I think 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:58.520 that's that's really one of my bigger worries is less 0:13:58.520 --> 0:14:04.400 so kind of clashes between chud's and uh anti fascists, 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:07.000 which is still I mean, you know, that's always a 0:14:07.120 --> 0:14:09.400 thing that may happen, but also like you have to 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:12.960 think these chuds that are coming when they look at 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:16.360 DC police, they see someone, they see the people who 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:23.840 killed Ashley Babbitt. When the DC police look at these chudd's, 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:29.800 they're the people who beat someone beat one of their 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:34.280 co workers to death. And you know, like there's Capital police, 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:38.560 not same as DC Metro police, but like in the 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:43.840 minds of both these groups, that doesn't really matter. And 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:48.400 I worry about the tension there. I like, I don't 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:50.600 care if they make each other. You know, if the 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:53.480 Proud Boys and cops mace each other, then that's a 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:58.280 great day for me. But if it escalates further, and 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:03.600 you know, we're seeing that more and more the past, 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:08.920 was it past two kind of major right wing rallies 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:13.360 in the Pacific Northwest have had shots fired. Yep, yep. Yeah. 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:19.480 Every every recent PMW protest has involved gunfire. Yeah, and 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:25.920 like the one the August one had, I guess, I 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:30.880 guess you could call it a legitimate change, Yeah, yeah, 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:34.640 a casual gunfight. I mean, the the start of it 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:38.360 was not legitimate. The right winger who fired was not legitimate. Um, 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:41.320 But the two people on the left who responded, we're 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:44.320 doing so in self defense. Now, what happened a couple 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:47.320 of weeks later, from the video that's come out, was 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:50.280 not self defense. It was a guy shooting at somebody 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:53.280 pursuing them from like fifty feet back. You know, it 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:55.560 was not legally what you would call self defense for 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:59.600 certain Yeah, and that kind of the precedent that that's set, 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:03.680 which I think it's happened a few enough times that 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:06.960 we can't really say that it's it's the norm or 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:11.480 anything like that, but it's still it's an escalation. It's 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:16.160 something absolutely is did Like if that, if that had 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:21.200 happened in when Unite the Right happened like that would 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:25.680 have been unprecedented. It's very frightening, you know, and it 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:28.120 it should be. It doesn't matter what you think about 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:34.200 the morality of shooting tiny you know or whatever. Exchanges 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:39.520 of fire becoming more common is a threat to everybody, 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:43.200 and it is something that should concern everybody. Yeah, I mean, 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:45.400 it reminds me a lot of And this was kind 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:48.960 of the impetus of the first season of it could 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:52.800 happen here, but like the early days of something like 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:55.960 the Syrians of Award, where it went from protests to 0:16:57.400 --> 0:17:01.520 exchanges of gunfire too. You know what it is. Now, 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:18.920 do you think DC specific gun laws um will make 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:21.720 gunfire in DC a little bit less likely? Do you think? 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:24.280 I do? Like still, like the police always have that 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:27.359 capacity if they feel Um, you know if if they 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:30.560 choose to, but more specific on like the right between people, 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:32.240 I don't know, it's like no boogs are going to 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:35.440 show up or whatever. Um, what kind of talk do 0:17:35.480 --> 0:17:40.400 you see around firearms? So yeah, kind of just from experience, 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:44.479 I think my worry with DC's gun laws is only 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:48.560 one side will be armed every time that Chud's come 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:52.160 to d C. I mean, they are obviously carry I mean, 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:55.800 every single one of them is print is printing. You 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:59.720 can tell that they have firearms on them. They don't 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:02.720 really try to hide it, and none of them have 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:06.840 ever I mean, I guess apart from Tario getting arrested 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:11.160 for illegal magazines, like, none of them have really faced 0:18:11.160 --> 0:18:17.000 any consequences for that. And the general fear among people 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:20.880 on the left is well, even if I do come 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:24.280 and I carry for self defense, if I get arrested 0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:30.480 for something unrelated, that will enhance whatever charges I get. Yeah. No, 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:35.200 it's sketchy and it's Um, I don't I'm not convinced 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:38.560 in the situation d C is in specifically that shoving 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:41.840 up with a fucking firearm is the right call. You know, 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:44.040 I'm not in this business to lecture people, but I'm 0:18:44.080 --> 0:18:47.360 not convinced that's going to help. In the Pacific Northwest, 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:50.119 we've seen situations where people with weapons as on the 0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:54.679 twenty two, defended themselves and others. And we've seen situations 0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:56.679 in which people on the web with weapons on the 0:18:56.760 --> 0:18:59.520 left escalated things. So it's not a it's never a 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:02.560 zero game, you know, it's not. It's not a simple issue. 0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:07.159 Right again, is a neutral tool, you know. Yeah, And 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:09.280 I don't want to, like, I don't want it to 0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:12.439 come off like I'm encouraging, you know, every person in 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:15.760 block to show up with a long gun like that, 0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:20.960 because that would be a fucking disaster most likely. But 0:19:21.080 --> 0:19:25.600 also like I I don't like the idea of, you know, 0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:28.439 looking at a line of Proud Boys or something and 0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:30.840 knowing every single one of these people has a gun, 0:19:31.680 --> 0:19:37.159 and I do not. That's an imbalance of force that 0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:41.080 I don't like when thing, if things do escalate, No, 0:19:41.280 --> 0:19:46.280 that that's completely reasonable in my opinion. But yeah, I mean, 0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:50.600 I think the big thing is just there's so many unknowns. Uh, 0:19:51.720 --> 0:19:55.720 you know, we've never really there's not much of a 0:19:55.800 --> 0:20:00.520 historical precedent for group tries to overthrow the government shows 0:20:00.600 --> 0:20:05.959 back up in d C months later or elements of 0:20:06.000 --> 0:20:10.800 the same kind of ideology. Yeah, we just don't know. 0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:13.359 I mean, even like I think that Unite the Right 0:20:13.400 --> 0:20:20.440 to example is similar, but also like markedly different enough 0:20:21.359 --> 0:20:25.000 that I don't know if it's an all encompassing tool 0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:28.680 for like this is what it's gonna look like. Yeah, 0:20:28.800 --> 0:20:32.359 is there any like specific players that you know is 0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:34.320 going to show up or or have like said that 0:20:34.359 --> 0:20:38.200 they're going to show up. So one that I kind 0:20:38.240 --> 0:20:42.560 of worry about is um, Oh, I'm gonna get fucking 0:20:42.600 --> 0:20:45.960 tweets for this, God damnit. Um. So there's a group 0:20:45.960 --> 0:20:49.800 in Virginia that you may have heard of BLM seven 0:20:49.800 --> 0:20:55.720 five seven. Yeah, I know you're talking about. Yeah, they 0:20:56.080 --> 0:20:59.919 are based out of the Virginia Beach area, and they 0:21:00.000 --> 0:21:03.160 are the biggest pain in the ass ever um they 0:21:03.200 --> 0:21:07.240 work with. They claim to be a Black Lives Matter organization. 0:21:08.240 --> 0:21:12.080 The local Black Lives Matter organizations have denounced them. They 0:21:12.119 --> 0:21:14.840 work with Boogloo boys. They were very tight with Mike 0:21:14.920 --> 0:21:18.440 Dunn before he uh snitched and dumped off the face 0:21:18.480 --> 0:21:24.680 of the earth. Yea um. And then yeah, they come 0:21:25.440 --> 0:21:27.800 and I don't like the idea of them coming to 0:21:27.880 --> 0:21:30.040 a town that is not familiar with them because like 0:21:30.040 --> 0:21:34.200 they come to Richmond, for example, and people are like, oh, 0:21:34.280 --> 0:21:38.480 there's been abun seven. We don't funk with them, but 0:21:38.680 --> 0:21:40.760 they come, you know, they come to a town or 0:21:40.800 --> 0:21:43.160 groups like this like uh n f a C there 0:21:43.160 --> 0:21:46.240 not not fucking around. Coalition tried to come to d C. 0:21:47.320 --> 0:21:51.760 And I these groups that are gonna be armed, are 0:21:51.800 --> 0:21:54.760 gonna want to escalate and are gonna kind of try 0:21:54.840 --> 0:22:00.760 to slide in to like a counter demo or stick 0:22:00.840 --> 0:22:03.959 around like the more left leaning parts of the crowd, 0:22:04.800 --> 0:22:08.560 and then could very quickly escalate things. So they're one 0:22:08.560 --> 0:22:15.640 that I'm worried about. Some local Virginia Militia movement players 0:22:16.280 --> 0:22:19.800 have been chatting about it. I haven't seen really that 0:22:19.880 --> 0:22:23.640 much in the way of like definitive statements that they're 0:22:23.680 --> 0:22:27.399 gonna go um and those guys don't really worry me. 0:22:27.920 --> 0:22:30.800 There a bunch of nerds who like to play dress 0:22:30.880 --> 0:22:35.120 up in the woods mostly, But yeah, it's again, it's 0:22:35.160 --> 0:22:38.000 just like these kind of unknowns. Yeah, so just like 0:22:38.080 --> 0:22:39.840 not knowing who's going to show up and what they're 0:22:39.840 --> 0:22:43.600 gonna do and where theyre be and yeah, yeah, like 0:22:44.680 --> 0:22:48.119 and this was a thing, definitely it reminds me a 0:22:48.119 --> 0:22:52.119 lot of the First Stop to Steel rally, where we 0:22:52.200 --> 0:22:56.720 had more concrete groups saying we're gonna be there. There's 0:22:56.760 --> 0:22:58.800 a lot more chatter about it on social media, but 0:22:58.840 --> 0:23:01.560 it was still kind of like I don't know, like 0:23:01.680 --> 0:23:05.560 what range of the sort of right wing ideological spectrum 0:23:05.600 --> 0:23:07.800 will be here, Like I know, you know Q and 0:23:07.840 --> 0:23:11.440 on your que and on uncle will be there. But like, 0:23:11.800 --> 0:23:17.239 for example, on November Uh, Jason Kessler was there, the 0:23:17.359 --> 0:23:21.320 organizer of Unite the Right. I literally bumped into Jason Kessler, 0:23:23.359 --> 0:23:25.719 like I was walking and my shoulder hit him and 0:23:25.760 --> 0:23:28.159 I looked up and I was like, oh, sorry, dude, 0:23:28.200 --> 0:23:31.000 and then I just kind of stopped and I was like, oh, ship, 0:23:32.080 --> 0:23:37.720 I recognize you. Yeah, you're that famous piece of ship. Yeah. 0:23:37.960 --> 0:23:39.800 But yeah, So like it's kind of that same thing 0:23:39.840 --> 0:23:44.960 where we don't we really just don't have that much 0:23:45.400 --> 0:23:49.159 intel and it seems like, you know, people with access 0:23:49.240 --> 0:23:53.080 to more streams of information than us, Like the FEDS 0:23:53.080 --> 0:23:57.320 have been saying for I guess a couple of months now, 0:23:57.440 --> 0:24:03.080 like we're monitoring this situation where like preparing to stop 0:24:03.400 --> 0:24:06.639 another January six, which take it with a grain of salt, 0:24:06.800 --> 0:24:11.520 it is the beds, but also like part of me, 0:24:11.800 --> 0:24:14.639 a lot of the worry I get from this is 0:24:14.760 --> 0:24:20.280 people that I know no more than I do reacting 0:24:20.320 --> 0:24:24.760 to it like chud streamers hiring stringers, FEDS saying like 0:24:24.840 --> 0:24:29.080 announcing months before that it's a situation that they're preparing for, 0:24:40.920 --> 0:24:42.560 a lot of people are very interested in what's going 0:24:42.640 --> 0:24:44.879 to happen, and I think people are definitely preparing for 0:24:44.920 --> 0:24:48.640 a lot of different different outcomes, and that makes any 0:24:48.680 --> 0:24:51.159 kind of resistance to it hard because you don't know 0:24:51.200 --> 0:24:53.840 if you're over if you're over preparing, under preparing. You 0:24:53.840 --> 0:24:56.119 don't know if you'll have what you'll do. Your preparations 0:24:56.160 --> 0:24:59.680 are too aggressive and not aggressive enough. Yeah, Yeah, and 0:24:59.720 --> 0:25:01.640 the way trying to like, you know, feel it out 0:25:01.720 --> 0:25:04.360 once you're there is more scary because once you're there 0:25:04.359 --> 0:25:08.239 in person, a lot of communications breakdown between other you know, 0:25:08.280 --> 0:25:10.280 other activists that that's what happened in like the last 0:25:10.280 --> 0:25:13.119 big rally in Portland is people try to know change 0:25:13.160 --> 0:25:15.320 up plans once they got to the spot, and it 0:25:15.440 --> 0:25:18.120 kind of made everything a lot a lot more challenging 0:25:18.119 --> 0:25:19.680 because it's hard to a lot of a lot of 0:25:19.720 --> 0:25:22.080 people in block don't have their phone on them. It's 0:25:22.080 --> 0:25:23.920 just it's hard to get ride. It's you know, any 0:25:24.000 --> 0:25:26.800 kind of any kind of impromptu organizing at the site, 0:25:27.000 --> 0:25:29.200 it's always gonna be way more challenged. They've been trying 0:25:29.240 --> 0:25:32.200 to figure this stuff out at home, and yeah, that's 0:25:32.200 --> 0:25:34.560 just kind of I don't know, it's it's I think 0:25:34.840 --> 0:25:38.479 I think the United Right to background is useful for 0:25:38.560 --> 0:25:42.040 like a big event after you know, a previous event 0:25:42.160 --> 0:25:44.479 that had a lot of coverage and had a lot 0:25:44.480 --> 0:25:47.320 of talk about it because it had, you know, a 0:25:47.359 --> 0:25:50.199 disastrous outcome. And then I think looking at you know, 0:25:50.760 --> 0:25:54.720 looking at November four in December, t um are also 0:25:55.000 --> 0:25:58.000 they are also kind of valuable indicators. Has there been 0:25:58.040 --> 0:26:00.879 any have you seen anything around the grappers, are like 0:26:00.880 --> 0:26:04.119 any of the Fuentes crew showing up to this or 0:26:04.160 --> 0:26:06.000 they are they trying to just are they Are they 0:26:06.000 --> 0:26:09.840 trying to like keep good optics? I guess I as 0:26:09.920 --> 0:26:12.520