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Speaker 1: you know, just striking, but a lot fighting fighting against

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Speaker 1: the scion of two very wealthy families who got wealthy

431
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Speaker 1: through a mix of slavery and exploiting the Earth's resources

432
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Speaker 1: in the most poisonous way possible. Right, this guy, he

433
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,919
Speaker 1: grows up his family's worth probably hundreds of millions of dollars,

434
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Speaker 1: at least tens of millions of dollars, and he grows

435
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Speaker 1: up with that amount of money. In a twenty seventeen

436
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:49,399
Speaker 1: Bloomberg profile, he described his family wealth this way. Rush

437
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,119
Speaker 1: earned his money the old fashioned way. He says, I

438
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,119
Speaker 1: was born into it and then grew it. I don't know,

439
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 1: that's not really the old faction I guess it is

440
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Speaker 1: it is.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, man in reality, unfortunately, that is the

442
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 2: most I guess that's not right.

443
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Speaker 3: The way to be rich is by rich.

444
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Speaker 1: I got it the old fashioned way. My grand parrots yeah,

445
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 1: and he notes that like his grandpa made his fortune

446
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,120
Speaker 1: in oil and gas in Indonesia, which I'm sure makes

447
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 1: it sketchier because like boy howdy, there's not a great

448
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 1: history of extractive industries in Indonesia, So I don't know

449
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Speaker 1: when Stockton was born. Actually that maybe out by the

450
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Speaker 1: time you hear this. It's interesting, I kind of when

451
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Speaker 1: I was started looking into him, I was surprised to

452
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Speaker 1: see that despite how high profile his clientele is and

453
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Speaker 1: the fact that like he'd been in a number of

454
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Speaker 1: prominent news articles prior to this. When I started working

455
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Speaker 1: on this, at least Stockton had no Wikipedia page. There

456
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Speaker 1: was no like single Stockton Rush entry on Wikipedia. Oh wild,

457
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Speaker 1: and I wasn't able to find an exact reference to

458
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Speaker 1: his birth date. One article that I read notes that

459
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Speaker 1: he was eighteen when he got his pilot's license in

460
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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty, which would mean he was born in sixty

461
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Speaker 1: two thereabouts. Be beat motherfuckers, Hey, Robert here from the future.

462
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 1: Since we recorded this, a number of official obituaries have

463
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Speaker 1: come out for Old Stockton, and we now have an

464
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Speaker 1: actual birth date for him. The New York Times gives

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Speaker 1: it as March thirty first, nineteen sixty two, in the

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Speaker 1: place as San Francisco. I'm leaving in the conversation we

467
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Speaker 1: had around it before we knew that, because it gives

468
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Speaker 1: good context as to how actually, like relatively unknown this

469
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Speaker 1: guy was prior to the disaster, which I find interesting

470
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Speaker 1: considering how connected he is to so many like rich

471
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Speaker 1: and super famous people that like very little about this

472
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 1: dude before he became very suddenly famous. One of the

473
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Speaker 1: things that I use sometimes for research is an AI

474
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Speaker 1: powered search engine called find Phi n D, which is

475
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Speaker 1: basically like it's nice because you can kind of ask

476
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Speaker 1: it direct questions and it'll scrape the internet trying to

477
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Speaker 1: answer it. And so I asked it when was he?

478
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Speaker 1: After I couldn't find a birth date. I was like,

479
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 1: for shits and giggles, hey, when was this guy born?

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Speaker 1: And Find was also like, there doesn't appear to be

481
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Speaker 1: a clear exact birth date for it. There's not a thing. Yeah,

482
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Speaker 1: there also doesn't appear to be a clear exact answer

483
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Speaker 1: as to where he was born. Some articles suggest he

484
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,679
Speaker 1: was born in the UK, other say California. Given how

485
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Speaker 1: Rich's family is, that it's possible, like it's not weird

486
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Speaker 1: for like Rich people don't care.

487
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Speaker 2: He was probably born born on the private plane, you know, Yeah,

488
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Speaker 2: exactly between those two points.

489
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Speaker 1: He's a child of the sky.

490
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Speaker 2: He was born and super positioned in Schroer's box somewhere.

491
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Speaker 3: I mean it's.

492
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Speaker 2: Also I was, you know, not not to go down

493
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Speaker 2: the AI route, which is not remotely what we're talking

494
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Speaker 2: about today, but.

495
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Speaker 3: It is like this this guy will be given that.

496
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there was so little apparently like like reliable stuff

497
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Speaker 2: written about him. It does feel like this is he's

498
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Speaker 2: going to be one of those examples of like almost

499
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:56,360
Speaker 2: every word generated about him will have AI in it already.

500
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Speaker 2: He's just like he's like corrupt data for the data

501
00:26:58,600 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 2: set already.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Like most of my sources for this, I

503
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: tried to stick to stuff that was written three, four

504
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: or five years ago before all this happened, just because like,

505
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: well that it wasn't tainted by what happened later you

506
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: get more information about how the media was kind of

507
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: covering him and stuff. But I think you are right

508
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: about this because, like he wasn't really a major figure

509
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: until he got all those people guilt.

510
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 2: The bulk of shit, the bulk of shit written about

511
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 2: him is gonna be lies.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really Yeah. I think you're actually exactly correct

513
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 1: about that, Andrew. And you know who else loves to lie,

514
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Speaker 1: the sponsors of this podcast. You cannot trust a fucking

515
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 1: word that they say, So please give them your credit

516
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Speaker 1: card information. How is that, Sophie? Is that a good

517
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Speaker 1: Is that a good ad plug?

518
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Speaker 4: I think the Regan coin ad people would like it

519
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Speaker 4: very much.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, buy a Reagan coin.

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Speaker 3: Fucking moral that's so wild.

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Speaker 1: I love the Reagan the coin, and I love our listeners.

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Speaker 3: Here's a.

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Speaker 1: Ah good times. So we're back. Andrews got his Reagan coins. Yeah, yeah,

525
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 1: this is this.

526
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Speaker 3: Is real money.

527
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Speaker 2: This is company script on my private plot of lands.

528
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. As soon as his Reagan coin arrived, David Zaslov

529
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: sent him a letter saying like, now you're now you're

530
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Speaker 1: one of us, You're one of the secret masters of

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Speaker 1: the world. I want to go to Bohemian grove, Andrew te.

532
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Speaker 3: I mean again, what's it not to take a diversion.

533
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 2: But Zaslav really feels like like all the billionaires got

534
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 2: together just before this writer strike and had like a

535
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 2: dinner for schmucks kind of thing to ye, like who's

536
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 2: the most repellent.

537
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 3: Of us, Who's going to take the heat from everyone else?

538
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 3: And he won? Slash lost. I was gonna doesn't realize

539
00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 3: he lost.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna make like Nerdier reference about it, but

541
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: but I don't know. We'll keep it. Nobody wants to

542
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: hear my warhammer forty thousand jokes. So stocked and Rush

543
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: probably born in nineteen sixty two. It's yeah, he hard

544
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: to say exactly. Was probably very likely born in California.

545
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: Certainly grew up in the Bay Area. As a we lad.

546
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Speaker 1: He was obsessed with space travel, and he wanted nothing

547
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 1: more than to be an astronaut. His parents assumed he'd

548
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: grow out of that, as most kids do, but since

549
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: they were super wealthy oligarchs, they were able to humor

550
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: him by introducing him to a real astronaut, Pete Conrad,

551
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: the commander of Apollo twelve and the First Man's Skylabih

552
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: just like, well, he wants to be an astronaut, let's

553
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: go find a nag go find an astronaut dotting it

554
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: really bring him in bias an Apollo twelve man, like

555
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: he's a Gi Joe.

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Speaker 2: It really. We're also at the point where it's like

557
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 2: that now that like some individuals, these billionaires start to

558
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 2: have resources of countries. Yeah, like nothing is off the table,

559
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 2: especially if you want to do it on the cheap

560
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 2: for incredibly you know, shitty and unethically.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting. I'm thinking about when I was a kid,

562
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Speaker 1: I wanted to be a paleontologist for a while, like

563
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: every kid who grew up in the era of Jurassic Park. Yeah,

564
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: And we went to like I think it was the

565
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Speaker 1: Saint Louis Natural History Museum one day and there was

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Speaker 1: like they had an exhibit where there was like an

567
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Speaker 1: actual paleontologist and a bunch of like things that they

568
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Speaker 1: had brought out of a dig site and were actively

569
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Speaker 1: like cleaning off. And I got to like like shake

570
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Speaker 1: that guy's hand and he like walked us around. It

571
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: was like part of a thing like a bunch of

572
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Speaker 1: other like families and stuff where they're It was like

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Speaker 1: one of the best single moments of my childhood. And

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00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: for Stockton, the equivalent of that is like, bring the

575
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Speaker 1: skylamb man over to the house, have him talk to

576
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: the boy, right, I mean, he's.

577
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Speaker 3: They're at the level of wealth.

578
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 2: Like if he'd liked dinosaurs, they would simply have had

579
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 2: to get him eight din yessor.

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Speaker 1: They would have sponsored a dig and had him just

581
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Speaker 1: like go, you know. Yeah. Anyway, So Stockton claims that

582
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: Pete told him, you know, if you want to be

583
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: a spaceman one day, you should get your pilot's license asap,

584
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: which is, to be fair, probably pretty good astronaut advice.

585
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, not an astronaut, but that does seem

586
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Speaker 1: like step one in that Bloomberg article, which is, as

587
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Speaker 1: far as I can tell, I think the first detailed

588
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: article about Stockton Rush's life and ambitions. Stockton claims to

589
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: have started work as a professional pilot when he was nineteen. Quote.

590
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: Rush has been investing in startup companies most of his

591
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: adult life, while also working at aviation. He was a

592
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: commercial jet transport pilot at nineteen and later a flight

593
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: test engineer for McDonald Douglas. Now that's not the most

594
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Speaker 1: detailed version of his early life that I found. In

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Speaker 1: a Smithsonian magazine profile from twenty nineteen, he gives a

596
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Speaker 1: little more detail and some of its contradictory because in

597
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Speaker 1: that he says that at age eighteen, he became one

598
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Speaker 1: of the youngest commercial pilots in the world. From what

599
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: I could done, what I think happened is he got

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Speaker 1: his license at eighteen. He started working a year or

601
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Speaker 1: two later. But like once he started to get more famous,

602
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: he started lying and saying that like, oh no, I

603
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Speaker 1: was the youngest commercial pilot ever. You know, just a

604
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: little bit of that fluff cycle, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It's also there's also like you when your parents are

606
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 3: rich enough, you know what? You know what?

607
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Speaker 2: By what definition are you saying commercial pilot like someone

608
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Speaker 2: who is compensated to move cargo from one place to another.

609
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 2: Like that's also daddy giving you you you're allowances, say,

610
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Speaker 2: take my luggage to wear out.

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Speaker 1: That's interesting, Andrew, because the first article about him just

612
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Speaker 1: says he was a commercial dreatshit transport pilot. You want

613
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Speaker 1: to guess where he was working when he started his

614
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: pilot career, You want to guess who his employer was.

615
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: So yeah, remember his parents, both sides of his his

616
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Speaker 1: mom and his dad's family are both huge oil and

617
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: gas families helping to run major oil and gas companies.

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Speaker 1: And Stockton's first flying job is taking chartered planes into

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Speaker 1: and out of Saudi Arabia. He's working for the Saudis

620
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Speaker 1: he as a teenage boy.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, Yeah that is I mean, that's but

622
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Speaker 2: that's also the billionaire version of I drove my friend's kids,

623
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Speaker 2: my parents' friends kids around.

624
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, a babysitter essentially a babysitter.

625
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: When I was a kid, Like my mom would help me,

626
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Speaker 1: like talk to you know, when I first started mowing lawn.

627
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: She'd be like, well, let's go over to the neighbors

628
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: and see if they need like their lawn mode and stuff.

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Speaker 1: And for his equivalent is like, well, the king of

630
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Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia needs like a pilot to take I don't know,

631
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Speaker 1: probably torture supplies or whatever to fucking re odd.

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Speaker 3: Like this is this is this is a very very

633
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Speaker 3: dumb tangent.

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Speaker 2: But for some reason, the algorithm on Instagram has decided

635
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Speaker 2: I want to see Saudi fast food reviews.

636
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Speaker 1: Oh shit, I bet they got I bet they're good

637
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: fast food in Saudi Arabia.

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Speaker 2: It looks wonderful, it looks it's I mean, it's It's

639
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 2: so funny the way culture works. It's like they're all

640
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 2: like speaking Arabic in the exact same like TikTok cadence

641
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 2: as like English language TikTokers. I don't I don't speak,

642
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 2: you know, I don't. I don't know what they're saying.

643
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 2: But I'm like, okay, this is amazing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm able to pick up a lot more than

645
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Speaker 1: I otherwise would because you're like using the same patterns

646
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Speaker 1: as talkers all the way in the world.

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Speaker 3: The fast food looks great.

648
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 2: Burger King in Riod looks quite good.

649
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: I will say, the best fucking Popeyes I've ever eaten

650
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: at was in the the airport and Aman Jordan. Yeah,

651
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: fucking incredible Popeyes. I think they've changed their standards.

652
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 2: But KFC and Beijing, when I went a kid was

653
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 2: they apparently still used lard to fry everything, and it

654
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 2: was hell.

655
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, so good.

656
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: I'll bet I'll bet. Yeah, not at all surprised here.

657
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 1: The KFC in Beijing slaps so yeah. He while he's

658
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 1: while he's working for the Saudi Royal family as a pilot,

659
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: he's studying aerospace engineering at Princeton And yeah, it's a

660
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: it's interesting you know that's that's that's a fun career.

661
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: So he uh, he's he's called like his description of

662
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: this is that it was the coolest summer job. Interesting

663
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: way to phrase that.

664
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 4: Uh.

665
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: So he goes to school. He's doing aerospace engineering for

666
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: his thesis. He builds his own plane from a kit, which,

667
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 1: like that is like impressive. That sounds difficult. I don't know.

668
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 1: It feels weird as a thesis because you are just

669
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 1: kind of like following a kit. But why no, I'm

670
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: not an engineer, you know.

671
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 2: That's that's like putting in a little like ticking a

672
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 2: lego set to your to your thesis.

673
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know that it would have been possible

674
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: for him to not get his thesis, given the amount

675
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: of money his parents probably gave to that school. But whatever,

676
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: you know, I've never built a plane, so what do

677
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: I know. I've also never built a death sub, so

678
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: I guess I have that on him. So anyway, guys,

679
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: that Smithsonian article continues. The astronaut dream was dashed when

680
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: Rush learned that his eyesight wasn't good enough for him

681
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 1: to become a military pilot in the nineteen eighty Still,

682
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 1: the astronaut fast track so he kind of has the

683
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: background of that kid from Little Miss Sunshine. Yeah, that's

684
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 1: the that's the continuation of that dude's life. Instead, he

685
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 1: moved to Seattle to work for McDonald douglas as a

686
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,879
Speaker 1: flight test engineer for F fifteen fighter jets, then went

687
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: on to business school. Building on inherited money, he invested

688
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: in a string of esoteric tech companies, wireless remote control devices,

689
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: sonar systems. Still, he dreamed of going to space, perhaps

690
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: as a passenger on one of the private rockets being

691
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: developed in the early two thousands by the likes of

692
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 1: Richard Branson. In fact, Rush traveled to the Mohave Desert

693
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 1: in two thousand and four to watch the launch of

694
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: Spaceship Ie, the first commercial craft sent into space. When

695
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: Branson stood on its wing and declared that a new

696
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: era space tourism had arrived, Rush says he abruptly lost interest.

697
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: I had this epiphany that this was not at all

698
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: what I wanted to do. I didn't want to go

699
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 1: up in space as a tourist. I wanted to be

700
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: Captain Kirk on the Enterprise. I wanted to explore.

701
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

702
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: So there's a lot in that paragraph Jesus. First of

703
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: all the articles I found, and again, no one's really

704
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 1: done a super deep dive on this guy. They all

705
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: kind of take his red from what he said, like

706
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: he did he did one, he did one, but they

707
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: all kind of take his red that like he built

708
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: on his family wealth through smart investments and made a

709
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: bunch more money. We don't actually know that, Like his

710
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: family might just have been super rich. He may have

711
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: been terrible at investing. We have no evidence actually that

712
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: he was good at it that I've seen.

713
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 2: Well, or with that amount of money, like he can

714
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 2: he can even have made money and still like index

715
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 2: funt yeah.

716
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: Oh but yeah, even like with.

717
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 2: His little like you know, investing shit, know, given the

718
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 2: way the market is, the real question is like did

719
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 2: he do better than yeah, like an index fund or

720
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 2: like yeah, yeah, so who actually knew what the fuck

721
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 2: they were doing. It's the same way like you know,

722
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 2: Donald Trump has kind of made money at some point,

723
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 2: but it's like, yeah, yeah, but did he do did

724
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 2: he make enough money given how much he started with?

725
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: Exactly? Yeah. It's I think that's like a fair way

726
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: to look at it. It's also really interesting to me,

727
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: super interesting to me. I think kind of is the

728
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: key to understanding this dude that he loved the idea

729
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: of spaceship one until he realized it was just someone

730
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: else's spaceship for tourists, right yeah, because it's Branson's ship.

731
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: If he gets on it, all he's going to be

732
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: is a tourist. And he didn't want to be a

733
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: paying customer, like visiting space is a casual, rich visitor.

734
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 1: Now he describes as like, well, I wanted to explore.

735
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: I wanted to be Captain Kirk. I don't think that's

736
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: actually accurate either. I think he wanted to be Richard

737
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: Branson selling tickets to rich, old white dudes who would

738
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: worship him as a badass billionaire adventurer. Right yeah, like

739
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:07,240
Speaker 1: that's that's what this guy actually wanted. Now, the startup

740
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: costs for this guy's rich. His family's rich. But like

741
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: there's rich, and then there's being able to start your

742
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: own space company rich. And this guy is not that rich.

743
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,720
Speaker 1: You know, his family doesn't have that kind of money.

744
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, if he was looking, if he was actually that

745
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 2: good an investor, he would have that kind of life.

746
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, why didn't you Why didn't you get you

747
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 1: make yourself a billionaire. First, pull yourself up by your

748
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: boots stocked.

749
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 3: Very very stupid people have accomplished that.

750
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's it's not a high bar, you know,

751
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,479
Speaker 1: like Elon Musk has a rocket company and that dude, yeah,

752
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: what a mess.

753
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 2: Like the most patently stupid person. It's amazing.

754
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,240
Speaker 1: But you know, Musk is evidence that, like the market's

755
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,760
Speaker 1: starting to get crowded by kind of the the early

756
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: to mid aught. So Stockton decides he's got to go

757
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: somewhere else, somewhere where there's less billionaires getting involved, which

758
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 1: at this point is the ocean right now. Stockton has

759
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: always liked the ocean. He'd been a dedicated scuba diver

760
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,280
Speaker 1: most of his life. You know, he's rich, his family's

761
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: going to all these exotic places on a regular basis

762
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,919
Speaker 1: for vacations. So he's done a bunch of diving all

763
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,919
Speaker 1: over the world. And he specifically he gets into because

764
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: he moves up to Seattle as an adult and he

765
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 1: does a lot of cold water diving off the coast

766
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: of Seattle. Now, as he notes, the diving off of

767
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: the Puget Sound is gorgeous, but it's like cold water

768
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: diving is like a whole different beast from like regular

769
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 1: open water or regular diving, right, like where you're in

770
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, like fucking I learned to dive in Okinawa,

771
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: where the water is kind of a perfect comfortable temperature. Right,

772
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: it's one of the best places in the world for diving.

773
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: The Puget sound as cold as hell. So if you're

774
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: going to dive there, you've got like special suits, you're

775
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: carrying extra tanks. It's like more of a pain in

776
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 1: the ass. And that's kind of how he describes it quote,

777
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,439
Speaker 1: I loved what I saw, but I thought there's got

778
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 1: to be a better way. And being in a sub

779
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: and being nice and cozy and having a hot chocolate

780
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 1: with you beats the heck out of freezing and going

781
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 1: through a two hour decompression hanging in deep water. Now

782
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: that's funny for a couple of reasons, Like I don't know,

783
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: Subs are fine, subs are cool, Like I think what

784
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: James Cameron has done with his submersibles is like neat,

785
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: But it is funny that this guy's like I wanted

786
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: to be an explorer, but also I want my hot cocoa. Yeah,

787
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, Like read about what astronauts go through.

788
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: It's not a comfortable process.

789
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's you know, that's exactly the diletant that

790
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 2: yeah winds up exactly.

791
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 3: His path is like more perfect than it probably should

792
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 3: have been, honestly.

793
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, he should have died a lot faster. Like

794
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 1: if he'd gone to space, he wouldn't hacked it as well,

795
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: because it's space is a whole mess. Like everybody's nasty

796
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 1: up in space. They don't talk about that enough, but

797
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: like the space stations smell terrible. If you read through

798
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 1: the old Apollo transcripts, they're like regularly poop will get

799
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: out and it'll just be like floating around the space ship.

800
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 1: They'll be arguing about whose shits fly around. It's very funny. God, Yeah,

801
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: you wouldn't want to You wouldn't want to be drinking

802
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: coco in that environment, I'll tell you that much. So

803
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: since he was a very rich kid, he had the

804
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: power to just kind of go out and spend money

805
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: to make this expensive whim happen. But alas Stockton was

806
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: stymied because there aren't a lot of private submarines. It's

807
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: actually pretty uncommon for like just a dude to own

808
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: a sub which is a shame because I did grow

809
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 1: up reading the Illuminatus trilogy. I would like to, you know,

810
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 1: it'd be cool to have a golden submarine that you

811
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 1: run a global conspiracy from, but it's apparently a real

812
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 1: pain in the ass to upkeep them.

813
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 2: I think we were, you know, if you ever needed

814
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 2: an illustration of why there's not a bunch of private subs, yeah, we.

815
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: Did all get a reminder in twenty nineteen when that

816
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: Smithsonian article came out, they said they are about one

817
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: hundred private submarines across the entire world. Chartering them is

818
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: extremely expensive. But Stockton kept digging until he found a

819
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,399
Speaker 1: company in London that had was like, we can sell

820
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: you the parts and a kit to build a mini

821
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: sub that was designed by a retired Navy sub commander.

822
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,399
Speaker 1: And like a kit, you love a kit, you love

823
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: putting together your own submarine.

824
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 2: But that is also like just this perfect example of

825
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 2: these like rich kid billionaires like building a kit and

826
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 2: presenting it as something you made.

827
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 1: It is It is interesting. It's both because like, yeah,

828
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: that is fat like that it like as you said,

829
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: but it also like I will say, if I'm going

830
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: to trust someone to like take me in a submarine.

831
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 4: It.

832
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: I would prefer it be someone who knows what it's

833
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: like to build a submarine from the ground up. Like

834
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: I will say that that is probably where you'd start.

835
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: So so far he's doing he's taking the right first step,

836
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah.

837
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 2: Well the problem is there's two lessons, two pretty divergent

838
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 2: lessons you could learn from that. One is like, wow,

839
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 2: look at the care look at the difficulty. Building a

840
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 2: submarine is no joke. And the other lesson that it

841
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 2: looks like Stockton Moore took to heart.

842
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 3: Is yeah, see it's easy.

843
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: I have mastered the submarine.

844
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, building, building and designing a submarine is easy.

845
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. And the sub he builds is a twelve foot

846
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 1: one man sub So he's like lying flat in this

847
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,359
Speaker 1: thing with like his face directly over a porthole, and

848
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: like that's the way this works. So when we say

849
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:34,240
Speaker 1: sub this is like almost more of like a diving suit,

850
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: like a legit diving suit. Probably is would be like

851
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: closer to what this is as opposed to like, you know,

852
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 1: the red October right, Yeah, Sam Neil isn't fitting in

853
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 1: this thing, you know. Quote while I was building the

854
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: sub I was thinking, this is stupid. I should have

855
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: just bought a robot and explored with that. But the

856
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 1: moment I went underwater, I was like, oh, you can't

857
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: describe this. When you go in a sub things sound different,

858
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: they look different. It's like you've gone to a different planet.

859
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: Rush was hooked. His entrepreneurial instincts were peaked. I had

860
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: come across this business anomaly. I couldn't explain if three

861
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: quarters of the planet is water, how come you can't

862
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:18,879
Speaker 1: access it? Now? Yeah, that's a fascinating thing to think.

863
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: Where like he's underwater, alone in a submarine, looking at

864
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: like the majesty of reef systems and underwater life that

865
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: very few people get to see, and his immediate thought

866
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: is like, why isn't this owned? Why haven't we enclosed

867
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 1: this and turned this into like corporate property.

868
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 2: Well and also though like clearly his like going further

869
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 2: train of thought was not just like, Wow, this is

870
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 2: amazing and beautiful.

871
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 3: Why doesn't everyone do this?

872
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 2: And instead of coming to the conclusion because it's very

873
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 2: difficult and dangerous, he came to the conclusion because everyone

874
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 2: else is stupid. I'm the only one that thought this

875
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 2: is amazing and people should see this.

876
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, everyone is stupid. And he's not saying people shoul

877
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: see this as much as he calls it a business anomaly,

878
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: He's like, why aren't Why don't more businesses own the sea?

879
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 1: Is his first thought? Right, he is an exploiter, He's

880
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: not an explorer, right, that's his primary motivation, right, So

881
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: his immediate goal is to start a business to build small,

882
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: cheap submersible vehicles, which he thought could be lucrative for

883
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 1: a variety of reasons. And when you read about the guy,

884
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 1: you get the feeling more than anything. He sees this

885
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: as his opportunity to become a self made billionaire and

886
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,760
Speaker 1: put himself on an even footing with guys like Branson

887
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,959
Speaker 1: and Musk. But the private submarine world, you know, it's

888
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: never been huge. It's never been a big business to

889
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: be a submarine owner, and it had pretty much collapsed

890
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: by the early aughts. In his interview with the Smithsonian,

891
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: Stockton Rush claims that there were two reasons for this.

892
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 1: One of the big markets for private subs had been

893
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 1: carrying what are called saturation divers to work underneath. So

894
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: you've got oil rigs right in the ocean. They go

895
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: down very deep and they need repair work done on

896
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: them intense depths, and these are the kind of depths

897
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: where you don't just like throw on an oxygen tank

898
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: and go diving. Right. Number one, it's too deep. So

899
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: when you're diving, you can go down pretty quickly, but

900
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: going up you have to be extremely careful about how

901
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,280
Speaker 1: quickly you go up right otherwise you're gonna fucking die.

902
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: So when you're going to intense depths like this, and

903
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: you have to work, so you have to be able

904
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 1: to spend a decent amount of time down there to

905
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 1: do stuff. What they would do is they would put divers,

906
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 1: and these divers don't have oxygen tanks. They have like

907
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:34,760
Speaker 1: special formulations of different kind of like chemicals that allow

908
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: them to breathe in the specific like it's I don't know,

909
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: we're not going to go into like how diving works.

910
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 1: There's different stuff like nitrox. I'm not sure exactly what

911
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: these guys were on, but they're wearing special suits, they've

912
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: got special you know, mixtures in their tanks, and a

913
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 1: submarine takes them down and takes them back up so

914
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 1: that they can get on the sub and be in

915
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: decompression without kind of running through all that way. They

916
00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 1: don't have to carry as much as many tanks and stuff. Now,

917
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 1: this is was for a while kind of the only

918
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 1: way to do repair work on this stuff, but it

919
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: was extremely dangerous, Like this was one of the most

920
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: dangerous jobs in the world. These guys died all the time,

921
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: not because like the subs weren't safe, but because diving

922
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: at that depth isn't like people just die for like

923
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 1: no reason while diving. You know, like sometimes it's it's

924
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:21,959
Speaker 1: just like a you know, your heart stops or whatever.

925
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: You get the wrong, you know, mix a shit in

926
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 1: your blood. It's like it's very dangerous to dive, especially

927
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: this kind of shit. So once oil and gas companies,

928
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 1: once drones and stuff started being good enough, they moved

929
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: away from having divers do this as much as possible

930
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 1: and started having robots do it, which is like, I'm

931
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: not gonna give the oil and gas company a lot

932
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 1: of credit, but I'm sure it was both more cost

933
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: efficient and like, yeah, people, it's like a lot safer.

934
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: So the other reason he claims was that or the

935
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:56,399
Speaker 1: other like business for private submarines was tourist subs, which

936
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 1: could be skippered by anyone with a coastguard captain's license

937
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 1: and were regular by the Passenger Vessel Safety Act of

938
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three, which imposed rigorous new manufacturing and inspection

939
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 1: requirements and prohibited dives below one hundred and fifty feet.

940
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 1: The law was well meaning, Rush says, but he believes

941
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 1: it needlessly prioritized passenger safety over commercial innovation. So he's like,

942
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: it sucks that they stopped having divers fixed oil rigs

943
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: because they were all dive dying, and it sucks that

944
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: they stopped. They wouldn't they won't let us take people

945
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: below one hundred and fifty feet in subs because it

946
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: keeps killing them.

947
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 2: I mean, look, as far as money where your mouth is,

948
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 2: he is the most like, like, you know, true believer, libertarian,

949
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,879
Speaker 2: bullshit guy. He was a you gotta handed to him.

950
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 2: You have to hand it to him.

951
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta hat. He did put his money where

952
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: his mouth was. It is funny where you can there's

953
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: just all these quotes where he's like, they're pointlessly focusing

954
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 1: on safety over innovating. Maybe there's a reason for some

955
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: of those SA dear regulations stocked it it truly.

956
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, when all this was happening, the

957
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 2: one of my like more fucked up thoughts was like,

958
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,879
Speaker 2: you know, obviously it wasn't likely that these guys were

959
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 2: going to get rescued, but I was like the cost

960
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,320
Speaker 2: in the world where they are rescued, it will cost

961
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,280
Speaker 2: so many more lives in a lot of them.

962
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: Like well, and it's you know, honestly, like this this

963
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: will not be news to most people or a lot

964
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: of people probably, but like you know, if you pay

965
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 1: attention to like the world of people who do this

966
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 1: kind of stuff, and I have I have a buddy

967
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 1: who there's a book called blind Man's Bluff if you

968
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: want to read about kind of the shit that US

969
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: and Russian subs got up to in the late Cold

970
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 1: War era. It's a really good book. But like, basically,

971
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: we used to have these fights between our submarines where

972
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: they would try to force each other to surface, and

973
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: it was insanely it's like chicken with nuclear submarines. It

974
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 1: was insanely dangerous shit. But like talking to him and

975
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 1: talking to like other people who were in that industry,

976
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 1: anyone who has done this kind of like four there

977
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 1: have been four submarine rescues that have been successful in

978
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,879
Speaker 1: the history of submarines, and none of them were very

979
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 1: deep compared to where this thing was. There was never

980
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:15,760
Speaker 1: any chance of saving these people, I don't think. But anyway, whatever,

981
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: that's not that's not what we've got to talk about.

982
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 1: So we got to talk about. Yeah, one in a million.

983
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:27,800
Speaker 1: So Rush calls these these needless passenger safety prioritizations understandable

984
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: butt a logical, which is very, very funny. But what

985
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 1: we are what is interesting to me is that like

986
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: the sub market falls apart. The real reason is that,

987
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 1: number one, it's insanely dangerous the jobs that it was

988
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: being used for, and we found better uses than submarines,

989
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 1: better ways to fill those needs. And number two, once

990
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: we started replacing, like the subs that were being used

991
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 1: to transport divers and shit, the only real industry for

992
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: private subs was private trips for rich people to see

993
00:51:56,200 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 1: shit underwater. And the thing that people most wanted to

994
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: see was the Titanic. And we're going to talk about that,

995
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: but first, you know what's also Titanic The savings that

996
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:21,760
Speaker 1: you're gonna get if you purchase these products. And we're back,

997
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 1: so we're talking about tourist trips to see the Titanic.

998
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: So spoiler alert for those of you who haven't seen

999
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: the movie, The Titanic went down on April fourteenth, nineteen twelve,

1000
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: with a shitload of people on it. Now, despite the

1001
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,240
Speaker 1: fact that this is the most famous nautical disaster in history,

1002
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: when it happened, and for like decades after it happened,

1003
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: very basic details of what had actually gone down were

1004
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: seriously in doubt, which is weird because eyewitnesses saw the

1005
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: ship break in half the way that it does in

1006
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: the James Cameron movie, right, But when that happened, like

1007
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: scientists at the time, an awful lot of the kind

1008
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,320
Speaker 1: of people who were building boats and were experts on

1009
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: this didn't think a ship could go down that way.

1010
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: I think the belief was that like it would basically

1011
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 1: get overwhelmed and like just kind of all sink at once.

1012
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 1: But they didn't think it could break that way. And

1013
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 1: because a lot of the eyewitnesses were like women, there

1014
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 1: was this like a lot of these people got like

1015
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 1: mocked and stuff by the like. Anyway, it was a

1016
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: whole It was a whole deal, which is to say that,

1017
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 1: like when people started going after the Titanic, there was

1018
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: a real reason to want to find it because, among

1019
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 1: other things, you might actually like give some closure to

1020
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 1: some of these people who had spent their lives being

1021
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: called crazy. I don't know whatever, there was a good

1022
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 1: scientific reason to want to find this thing, and the

1023
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:45,720
Speaker 1: shit the cruise ship's resting place remained a mystery until

1024
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 1: a very cool dude named Bob Ballard got a secret

1025
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 1: contract from the US Navy in nineteen eighty five. Ballard

1026
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 1: Ballard is an oceanographer, and like Stockton, he'd always loved

1027
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: the sea. Unlike Rush, he turned this love into a

1028
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 1: lligent appreciation for the science of oceanography. And he gets

1029
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 1: brought in. He's basically been pitching I think I can

1030
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,439
Speaker 1: find the Titanic, and the Department of Defense is like, well,

1031
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 1: we got these two US subs that went missing in

1032
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:13,720
Speaker 1: the nineteen sixties and we don't really know what happened,

1033
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,399
Speaker 1: but we'd like you to find them, and this Titanic thing,

1034
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 1: like will basically pretend that we're having you do that,

1035
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 1: and if you find our subs like that, you know

1036
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 1: this will work out for everybody. And I think he

1037
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 1: does find He finds those subs, and he also he

1038
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,359
Speaker 1: finds the Titanic. Because Bob Ballard is very good at

1039
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 1: what he does. You know this is he's also the

1040
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: guy who finds the fucking Bismarck. And because he's the

1041
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: guy who finds the big dead boat, he could have

1042
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:43,320
Speaker 1: claimed salvage rights to the wreck, which is like potitionally

1043
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 1: quite a bit of money and salvaging the Titanic. But

1044
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 1: because he's like a basically decent guy, Ballard was like,

1045
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: I don't want to mine the graveyard of several thousand

1046
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 1: people for profit. That seems that seems ghoulish. Yeah, he

1047
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 1: actually was like, I think that's grave robbing, so I

1048
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 1: don't really want to do that. But other people had

1049
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: no compunctions against renting deep sea vehicles and grabbing shit

1050
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 1: near the wreck to sell back on surface. And we're

1051
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 1: actually going to talk about those people because one of

1052
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 1: them winds up on Stockton. Russia's death sub kind of

1053
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 1: the biggest of them. But over the next year, some

1054
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 1: fifty five hundred artifacts from the titan Over the next

1055
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 1: eighteen years, some fifty five hundred artifacts from the Titanic

1056
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 1: are sold or put in the Titanic Museum. Bob later

1057
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: wrote it had turned into an ugly carnival and a

1058
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 1: front to the fate of the Titanic. And all those

1059
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:36,919
Speaker 1: who had lost their lives in her final hours. Now,

1060
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 1: this grave robbing is done by mere subs which are

1061
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,240
Speaker 1: leased by the from the Russian government during a period

1062
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 1: in which like this is kind of the late eighties

1063
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: early nineties, like right after the Soviet Union fall, so

1064
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 1: like the Russians, Yeah, they're kind of needing money, you know. Yeah.

1065
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: So my analogous.

1066
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 2: Biggest regret is when I did a semester in Beijing.

1067
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 2: One of the things that this is this will show

1068
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:05,359
Speaker 2: my age a little bit, but the Chinese, the Red

1069
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 2: Arvy was enough up for sale that apparently you could

1070
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 2: drive out to the desert and for one hundred dollars

1071
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 2: shoot a rocket propelled grenade into a car.

1072
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: Absolutely worth it. That's a good price. That's a solid price. Andrew,

1073
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 1: I didn't. I was too I take that deal every

1074
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 1: day of the week. It was very, very sketchy. So

1075
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 1: I didn't end up doing it, but I was like, yeah,

1076
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 1: now I wish.

1077
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 4: I had it.

1078
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is you know, you got to be careful

1079
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 1: anytime people are offering you rocket propelled grenade launchers.

1080
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

1081
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 1: But it is like you know, the and it's one

1082
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 1: of those things we're talking about how insane this Titanic,

1083
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 1: you know, tourism thing was. I actually chatted on fucking

1084
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,359
Speaker 1: Twitter with some guy who said he went to see

1085
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 1: the Titanic on one of these mere subs. This is

1086
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:54,800
Speaker 1: pretty safe. These are actual submarines, right, like with actual

1087
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 1: cruise and stuff, like, they're rated to be doing this.

1088
00:56:58,440 --> 00:56:59,760
Speaker 1: Nothing bad happens.

1089
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 3: Do this right.

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00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 1: We can talk about like the grave robbing and the

1091
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,840
Speaker 1: ethics of that, but like James Cameron phil films the

1092
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 1: opening scenes of Titanic, those like opening underwater scenes on

1093
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 1: one of these mere submarines, you know, and for a while,

1094
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 1: this is a pretty good way to get down there.

1095
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 1: The runaway success of Cameron's movie of the same name

1096
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:18,919
Speaker 1: ignites a new Titanic fever in the hearts of people

1097
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 1: around the globe. And suddenly there's this kind of burgeoning

1098
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 1: fan And there had always been since the Titanic went down,

1099
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 1: people have been obsessed with this, but obviously the movie

1100
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: takes that to another fucking level. There's all these people

1101
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 1: who kind of make the ship and its story the

1102
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 1: center of there. It becomes a fandom, you know.

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00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 2: Ye.

1104
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 1: In two thousand and five, a company called Deep Ocean Expeditions,

1105
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 1: decides to offer very wealthy clientele trips down to the

1106
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 1: most famous grave in history, and over the next few

1107
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: years they take one hundred and ninety seven tourists there

1108
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 1: and back again. From that Bloomberg article quote, the last

1109
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 1: of those trips took place in twenty twelve, the one

1110
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 1: hundredth anniversary of the Titanic sinking. Russia assumed that mint

1111
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 1: the market was exhausted. Then he talked to Rob McCallum,

1112
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 1: the British born adventurer who led the trips. McCallum told

1113
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 1: Rush that the only reason the trips had stopped was

1114
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 1: that the Russians quit renting out the mears, which have

1115
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 1: since been mothballed. There was never an end in sight

1116
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 1: to our market, McCallum says, we just didn't have the machines.

1117
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 1: So now he's like, oh, well, there's a market, and like,

1118
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 1: nobody's serving this shit as a capitalist, you know nature

1119
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 1: capitalism abhors a vacuum. This is this is how I'm

1120
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: gonna make my fucking fortune. So he feels like he

1121
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 1: stumbled upon a great idea and the way he puts

1122
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 1: it in that interview with Bloomberg, which lists some of

1123
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 1: his earlier ideas for how to monetize submercivals, and a

1124
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 1: paragraph that is extremely fucking noteworthy. This keys you into

1125
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 1: kind of the most important stuff about what he was

1126
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 1: really planning to do here. Up to that point, Rush

1127
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 1: had been thinking about unexplored rex hydrothermal vents and bizarro

1128
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 1: sea creatures, not to mention the many ways a capable

1129
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 1: sub could be leased out to an oil and gas

1130
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 1: company to service under sea wells and oil plats, or

1131
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 1: do were research institution to do surveys of sea cucumbers,

1132
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 1: or to the CIA, NSA, d i A to do

1133
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 1: whatever it is that spooks do on the floor of

1134
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 1: the ocean. So that that's this guy's ethical basis. He's like, yeah,

1135
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 1: you know, raping the world for the oil and gas industry,

1136
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 1: discovering sea creatures, spying on people for the CIA, all

1137
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 1: equally valid. It's so funny, like he is. This man

1138
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 1: has the moral center of like a fucking donut. It's

1139
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 1: so funny. We did not lose a paragon of virtue here.

1140
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 1: I am truly grateful that Bloomberg profile exists because it

1141
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 1: makes very clear the fact that this guy never cared

1142
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 1: about exploration or expanding the frontiers of human knowledge. He

1143
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 1: was an adrenaline junkie who liked planes and subs and

1144
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 1: wanted to become a billionaire doing something that he thought

1145
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 1: was cool. He'd have been happy helping Exon frack the

1146
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 1: Marianna's trench if that had worked out for him, But

1147
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,080
Speaker 1: it just so happens that there was a bigger mar

1148
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 1: for the initially at least in catering to Titanic weirdos.

1149
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 1: So he started pouring money into building a new deep

1150
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 1: sea submersible, the Cyclops, and then the Cyclops too. You know,

1151
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:12,920
Speaker 1: he takes these guys down, he tests them out, he

1152
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 1: starts getting seed capital from fins and family. He's putting

1153
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 1: a shitload of his own money into this, to the

1154
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 1: tune of maybe tens of millions of dollars, and at

1155
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 1: first he can't really get any big investors involved. For

1156
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 1: pretty good reasons, Stockton cannot get to the Titanic, right,

1157
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 1: and a lot of people are like, well, he probably

1158
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 1: is never going to get to the Titanic. At present,

1159
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 1: I think there are four other vehicles on Earth capable

1160
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 1: of reaching that thing with people in them, and they're

1161
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 1: all owned by various governments. The Chinese Jhaolong submersible is

1162
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 1: capable of going down the furthest For a while. Famously,

1163
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 1: James Cameron had the deep Sea Challenger, which had proved

1164
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 1: that a rich maniac could have a submersible constructed for

1165
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 1: this kind of feet. But the Deep Sea Challenger, it's

1166
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:00,080
Speaker 1: not the sort of thing, and I don't think of

1167
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 1: these are that you can fit a bunch of customers in, right, ye,

1168
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 1: Like the deep the way it works, You've got like

1169
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 1: this kind of superstructure that's this sort of weird almost

1170
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 1: cylindrical shape right around it. But the actual thing that

1171
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 1: a dude is in and that like the cameras and

1172
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 1: stuff are, as far as I can tell, is like

1173
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 1: a sphere, because a sphere is the is good for pressure. Yeah.

1174
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 1: And it's also like by the time that that a

1175
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 1: Stockton's working on this, the Deep Sea Challenger is not

1176
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 1: operational anymore. There was like it took some damage just

1177
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 1: like because it's this is tough on a vehicle, and

1178
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 1: then there's like a car accident while it's being transported

1179
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 1: and they're like, well it's kind of been compromised, you know,

1180
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 1: we have to kind of retire it, which is what

1181
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:43,920
Speaker 1: responsible people do when their deep sea vessel has been damaged.

1182
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 1: Like you know, now, it's interesting. When he's talking to Bloomberg,

1183
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 1: Stockton presents both the Geolong and the Deep Sea Challenger

1184
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 1: as kind of like this is what he saw as

1185
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 1: the proof that his dream was achievable. Quote. People used

1186
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 1: to ask me, how do you think you can do

1187
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 1: this if nobody else can. I like to point out

1188
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 1: that the two deepest diving subs on the planet are

1189
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 1: the Chinese Joolong and James Cameron sub the DSV Deep

1190
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 1: Sea Challenger, which in twenty twelve carried the Titanic Director

1191
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 1: to Challenger Deep, the ocean's deepest point, and is now retired.

1192
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 1: They were both built by amateurs who had never built

1193
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 1: subs before. The sub is not the challenge. The challenge

1194
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 1: is the business model and logistics. Now, that is an

1195
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 1: insane thing to say, Andrew, and if.

1196
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 2: You have you have a hammer, if you're an idiot capitalist, who.

1197
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, fucking tech bro. No, the problem is monetizing it.

1198
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 1: Building a sub that can go down the depth of

1199
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 1: Mount Ever is to say, what do you want to get?

1200
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 1: James Carmeron sketched it on a napkin. He just knows

1201
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 1: how to make terminator movies.

1202
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 2: It really is also though like some that is some

1203
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 2: because because you know, his goal was not to do

1204
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 2: what they did. His goal was to do what they

1205
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 2: did with the cocoa that you were talking about.

1206
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:59,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, with the fucking and passengers multiple And it's also

1207
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 1: he's everything he says is wrong, So he's like they're

1208
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 1: all built by amateurs. So the Jhoolong, which is that

1209
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 1: Chinese submersible which can read it reach as far as

1210
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 1: seven thousand meters down, was developed by a desired a

1211
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 1: designer named zou Zin Jaques sorry zoo quinin q I

1212
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 1: n A N. And he is not I wouldn't. I

1213
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 1: don't think he's designed as submersible before. So I guess

1214
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:25,960
Speaker 1: that's what he means by like amateur. But he's the

1215
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:29,480
Speaker 1: professor at the School of Naval Architecture, Ocean and Civil

1216
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 1: Engineering of Shanghai Jiaotong University. That's not an amateur. He's

1217
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:37,440
Speaker 1: a professor of naval architecture. He seems like an expert,

1218
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 1: and like there's there's a whole team of experts who

1219
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 1: are like people who build things under this four underwater shit, right, yes,

1220
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 1: so you're not, yeah, just just in a like you know,

1221
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:55,919
Speaker 1: you can't walk down the street in La without hitting

1222
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 1: a professor of naval architecture, right, that's like, that's like

1223
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 1: running in a guy with a fucking podcast. It's so

1224
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 1: it's such a funny way to be like they're amateurs.

1225
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 1: It's also like a Chinese government ministry are the people

1226
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 1: like handling the like the actual construction, and like it's

1227
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 1: it's a serious project by serious people. That's why it works,

1228
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 1: right And likewise he's being like, well, James Cameron's just

1229
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:26,440
Speaker 1: this director and he got to make this thing. It's

1230
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 1: you know, an amateur. Well no, Cameron. Cameron says that

1231
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:32,320
Speaker 1: like he contributed, he was one of the designers. He

1232
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 1: helped do some of the engineering. I don't know exactly

1233
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 1: what that means, but he did not just design a

1234
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 1: ship and have it built. He is working with a company,

1235
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 1: an Australian R and D company called Acheron Project, and

1236
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:47,600
Speaker 1: the construction is headed primarily by the co designer, a

1237
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 1: guy named Ron Allam, who is a professional engineer. If

1238
01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 1: you want to know how serious an engineer, Ron Allam is.

1239
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 1: When they're working on this thing that Cameron takes down

1240
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 1: to the Challenger Deep. There's like this kind of foam

1241
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:02,280
Speaker 1: that they are using is part of like the pressure

1242
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 1: system that keeps it safe, and it's based on like

1243
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 1: the initial thing they tried is there was this kind

1244
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:10,360
Speaker 1: of like nautical foam for pressure pressure vessels that were

1245
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 1: meant to go down less depth, you know, I think

1246
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 1: just a couple of thousand meters as opposed to how

1247
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 1: far the Challenger Deep is. And they test out this

1248
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 1: foam that's already in use, and they find out that

1249
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 1: it can't handle the pressure, and so ron Allam invins

1250
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 1: an entirely new kind of foam for this thing, right

1251
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 1: new phone, Yeah, so yeah, Yeah. In two thousand and nine,

1252
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:37,360
Speaker 1: Stockton Rush founds ocean Gate Ink with the promise to

1253
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:42,680
Speaker 1: deliver Mann's submersible solutions to the private market. And that

1254
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:45,720
Speaker 1: is where we're going to end our story for today,

1255
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 1: because we have now gotten up to the point where

1256
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:51,920
Speaker 1: the death sub is about to be made. So yeah,

1257
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:54,640
Speaker 1: how we feel in today, Andrew, how we feel in

1258
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 1: about this whole tale?

1259
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 3: So fine?

1260
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 2: I mean I think it is it's just like exactly

1261
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:02,600
Speaker 2: the the only reason this guy is an outlier is

1262
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 2: because most of these like again like tech pro libertarian

1263
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:10,600
Speaker 2: weirdos like know on some level that what they're saying

1264
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:14,040
Speaker 2: is bullshit, and like yeah, do not often put their

1265
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 2: like again, go all in on their like half baked

1266
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 2: or wrong ideas the same way, Like like the real

1267
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 2: thing that you're supposed to do as a tech bro

1268
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 2: is use other people's money to like and use other

1269
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 2: people's money over and over and over again until you,

1270
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:33,120
Speaker 2: you know, hit the right lottery ticket and then say

1271
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:34,120
Speaker 2: it's your money.

1272
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 1: And take other people like Musk, you know, they just

1273
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 1: had a fucking rocket blow up, right, Musk wasn't on

1274
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 1: that thing, you know, like that he doesn't even there's

1275
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:45,520
Speaker 1: this like we're talking, there's this whole like thing going

1276
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:48,640
Speaker 1: on right now where like Muskin Zuckerberg are talking about

1277
01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 1: like fighting in a ring, and it's like, that's not

1278
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 1: gonna I don't think that's really gonna happen. It'd be

1279
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 1: funny if it did, but I don't think it's really

1280
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:58,800
Speaker 1: going to happen. Like that's the Those are the kind

1281
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 1: of things that the tech bros who are a little

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Speaker 1: bit less dumb than Stockton do where they'll talk about

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Speaker 1: like doing bold and crazy shit, But if there's actually

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Speaker 1: any risk in it, they don't because they they don't

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Speaker 1: want to die, you know. Yeah, we're getting hurt or embarrassed,

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Speaker 1: you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And on some level I think they like, yes,

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Speaker 2: they are over over over over confident, but again the

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Speaker 2: grift is to be overcught to like overconfident with someone

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Speaker 2: else's resources whatever. That yes, yes, and like him not

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Speaker 2: understanding that is the fundamental Like he's the dumb rich

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Speaker 2: boy that like these guys exploit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's like to a degree, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: maybe you could say that makes Stockton slightly more in

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Speaker 1: some ways more respectable because one thing you can't say

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Speaker 1: about him, like he did put his money where his

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Speaker 1: mouth was, you know that that is really undeniable. I

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Speaker 1: think that's because he was just even more unhinged than

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Speaker 1: a lot of the people, maybe because he grew up

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Speaker 1: even richer than them, Like he's not as rich as

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Speaker 1: like Bezos or Branson or Musk, now, but I think

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Speaker 1: he was as ex gunned. He had money. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: maybe he just like never had any kind of grounding

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Speaker 1: as a person. I don't know, though, I think it's.

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Speaker 2: Pretty pretty clear there's a level of money that completely

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Speaker 2: rots your brain.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this guy had it for sure. Yeah, no denying that.

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