WEBVTT - You Have to Occupy 0:00:01.920 --> 0:00:06.200 Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George 0:00:06.280 --> 0:00:10.320 Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty. 0:00:10.240 --> 0:00:17.720 Arm Strong and Getty and I'm strong and Getty. 0:00:24.800 --> 0:00:27.800 With trade through that critical waterway, the Strait of Hormuz 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:31.840 still blocked. President Trump tonight announcing a new plan to 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:35.760 help guide cargo ships linked to countries not involved in 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:38.920 the war to safety, Posting on social media, the President 0:00:39.000 --> 0:00:41.480 writing quote, for the good of Iran them, at least 0:00:41.520 --> 0:00:44.400 in the United States, we have told these countries that 0:00:44.479 --> 0:00:47.480 we will guide their ships safely out of these restricted 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:51.120 waterways so they can freely and ably get on with 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:51.839 their business. 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:55.520 Yes, it's a new operation called Operation Freedom, though wasn't 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:58.920 specifically said how we're going to guide the vessels through, 0:00:58.960 --> 0:01:02.480 and it doesn't include to US sailing warships next to 0:01:02.560 --> 0:01:04.520 him or something like that. If that's what you were picturing, 0:01:04.560 --> 0:01:06.720 it's what I was picturing. We're specifically not going to 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:09.600 do that. So then it was news reports that a 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:13.360 couple of US flagged boats, big ships that had been 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:16.120 there since the start of the war got out for 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:18.399 the first time. Well, that sounded like good news, but 0:01:18.520 --> 0:01:23.240 then just a couple hours ago a South Korean flagged 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:26.640 ship was fired upon, the latest news being that it 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:29.520 was fired upon in its engine room on the port side, 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:33.640 which would be the side facing Iran on an outbound transit. 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:38.039 So somebody in Iran fired on this South Korean flagged ship, 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:43.600 probably to say, how serious are you Trump about this 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:45.840 whole guiding ships out of the strait. 0:01:46.680 --> 0:01:49.000 I don't know why you're nitpicking. This trade is open. 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:50.960 The announcement's been made well. 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:54.080 IRGC announced like two hours ago that it is the 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:55.160 strait is closed. 0:01:55.720 --> 0:01:58.440 Oh boy, what is the situation? What's it likely to 0:01:58.480 --> 0:02:01.600 turn into? Let's discuss with mill Terry analyst Mike Lyons, 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:04.400 who joins us now. Greetings, Mike, how are you hey? 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:05.840 Good money guys, thanks for having me back. 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:10.840 Is it safe to say confusion rains today? 0:02:10.919 --> 0:02:13.520 Yeah? No, I think it does. It's hard to say 0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:16.080 what specifically this naval mission would look like. I mean, 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:18.880 we've done it before. Back during the Iran Iraq War 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:23.080 in the eighties, the United States used naval assets to 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:26.680 escort tankers Kowiti WORL tankers in particular through the straits 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:29.519 there to make sure that they weren't attacked by Iran. 0:02:29.880 --> 0:02:32.440 Back then and it's you know, the results were mixed. 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:34.080 That you know, kept some of the lanes open, but 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:37.440 it did led to some direct clashes. There were minefields 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:39.520 and the like, and again I'm not sure we're that 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:41.760 concerned about that. I think we'll respond right to them. 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:44.840 But the point that was just made about that ship 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:47.360 that was hit on that side, the real threat is 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:51.400 coming from these coastal batteries that are almost indefensible from 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:53.440 you you know, they've they've got the standoff, they've got 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:56.359 this capability to hit the ships without us having any 0:02:56.360 --> 0:02:58.400 way to protect those real ships. So we have to 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:00.919 see what happens. If they're going to take cruisers and 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:04.400 destroyers and put them alongside those ships and actually escort 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:06.200 them through. That's that's a big mission and that's going 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:08.040 to take a lot of military assets to do that. 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:10.799 Yeah, well we were talking about it earlier. Is really the. 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:14.359 Unless you're gonna do it, you just described like have 0:03:14.440 --> 0:03:16.200 a whole bunch of big warships go through there and 0:03:16.400 --> 0:03:18.559 and you know, fight fight the people. 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:20.600 On the on the on the beach. 0:03:22.200 --> 0:03:24.880 The only way to do it is to to threaten 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:27.880 such retaliation that they don't want to fire on the 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:30.079 ships like it's a bigger picture. It's the people that 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:33.320 would make the decision say do not do this, And 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:35.160 apparently they don't have that deterns yet. 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:36.160 Yeah. 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:38.040 No, I mean that's the escalussion management, you know, I 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:39.920 talked about in my Wall Street Journal article. I think 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:43.280 that that that needs to be proven again that they'll 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:48.160 do that. It'll take an incredible bombardment along that coastline 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:52.120 of naval assets in order to destroy anything that's there. 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:54.680 But if the IRGC still wants to do that, that 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:57.520 one off asymmetrical threat still can do a lot of damage. 0:03:57.520 --> 0:03:59.120 And I think that's what we've got to be concerned about. 0:03:59.280 --> 0:04:01.640 And it doesn't still show at the terms sheet even 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:04.480 the lack of this US being afraid of escalating it 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:06.760 to higher levels not deterning them enough. 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:11.360 We know, you take in a wide variety of inputs, news, etc. Michae, 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:15.520 what's your perception of how much a squeeze on the 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:20.640 world economy this whole thing is. Is it merely uncomfortable 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:25.360 or is it uncomfortable leading toward like severe discomfort and 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:26.479 counter reaction. 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:29.960 Now I think it's uncomfortable, but I think it's part 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:33.479 of this administration's overall plan to somewhat inoculate the United 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:35.560 States from the problems of the rest of the world. 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:36.880 I think the rest of the world is going to 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:40.040 be much more uncomfortable. I think the Chinese are considerably 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:43.120 worried about their energy security with this conflict, especially what 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:46.160 what happened in Venezuela when we took over that operation 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:49.840 or have more control over it. But that Trump says 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:54.440 the US is energy independent and we are. The challenge though, 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:57.200 is that the US soil market is still in Petro 0:04:57.279 --> 0:04:59.720 dollars are tied to US dollars. The whole economy runs 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:02.679 on that, which is why we have to benchmark everything 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:05.679 off the price of Brent crude oil. And that creates 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:09.000 the challenge for Trump economically, because if we had to 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:11.640 turn inside, we could do what we can to lower 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:13.960 gas prices like the Biden administration did when they were 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:14.880 trying to win an election. 0:05:15.000 --> 0:05:15.120 Right. 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:17.240 So there's things that the United States can do to 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:19.359 help inoculate itself. It's the rest of the world I 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:20.560 think that's got the challenge. 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:23.600 So this is asking for a guess. I suppose, as 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:26.640 opposed to analysis, are we going to get back into 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:28.680 the kind of kinetic action that we saw at the 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:29.440 beginning of this war. 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:33.040 Do you think I wouldn't be surprised. I think Trump 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:35.640 is trying to do everything he can not to do that. 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:39.520 He gave the sixty day notice to Congress that he's 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:42.200 ended combat operations, but all that's really done is we 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:43.640 start the clock again. If you look at the War 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:46.400 Powers Act, he has this capability to go to war 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:50.520 sixty days at a time, and by ninety days the 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:52.640 Congress can force him out of it. Well, he's told 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:55.360 Congress that he's done with that first part of the conflict, 0:05:55.960 --> 0:05:58.720 so he could start the clock again. I do believe 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:00.920 that it's not the last time you're going to see 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:04.360 US firing missiles. I do believe they're going to see 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:05.839 a lot more kinetic action in the future. 0:06:05.839 --> 0:06:08.520 Shore on that topic, there's been a great deal made 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:12.479 about the amount of ordinance we've spent in this conflict, 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:14.560 some of it sincere, some of it I think just 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:17.840 this sort of partisanship we're used to scale of whatever 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:20.040 you want, one to five, one to ten. How concerned 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:21.560 are you about how much we've. 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:26.000 Spent probably five and a half. I mean, the thing 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:29.159 is Ukraine for the last three years it took us 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:32.560 a couple of years to revamp our artillery rounds, as 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:35.919 we've used a lot of the deep DPICM, the rounds 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:38.120 from the eighties and nineties that we're sitting in shelves 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:41.760 and we've sent them to Ukraine, so that manufacturing capability 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:46.520 has now increased. But the missiles that we've used here, 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:50.200 the missiles coming from the ships and coming from the sidewinders, 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:52.480 all those things are expensive, the ticular of for minerals 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:55.280 to make. And so when this is over in the 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:57.360 next few months, and it's already the planning has already started, 0:06:57.400 --> 0:06:59.880 there's got to be a much bigger increase in the 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:02.599 military industrial complex. And I think that's why this trillion 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:04.360 and a half dollars budget he's trying to put forth 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:07.600 next year is going to do a lot towards rebuilding 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:10.080 a lot of those stocks. I mean, I still don't 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:13.440 believe that Chinese will because of this. We'll look at 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:15.080 this as a weakness on our side and decide to 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:17.880 invate Taiwan, and I don't think that will force us there, 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:19.600 but I do believe we're going to have to have 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:21.440 a reset in the next two years once things go 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:23.200 and we're going to have to really rebuild a lot 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:24.920 of our ammunition stocks. 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:27.480 Here's a question I think a lot of us layman have, 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:29.600 and you can answer because you're a guy who you know, 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:34.120 are the military fighting on the ground. I don't think 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:37.320 most of us can understand why we can't get to 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:40.160 where we want to get accomplish our objectives with just 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:40.960 air power. 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:41.720 It seems like. 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:45.040 We'ret to be able to bomb out, bomb regime change, 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:49.080 or bomb opening straits or whatever. And apparently, and apparently 0:07:49.120 --> 0:07:51.400 a lot of a president's also, I was reading at 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:53.760 the other day presidents fall in love with air power, 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:55.200 the fact that we have so much of it, and 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:57.920 think they can accomplish our goals, but we can't. 0:07:58.000 --> 0:07:58.840 And why is that? 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:00.240 You know? 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:02.560 There's a book written back in during the Korean War, 0:08:02.840 --> 0:08:05.200 a guy named Fahrenbach in this kind of war, and 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:07.280 he basically said, you can fly over land, you can 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:09.880 pound it, you can bomb it into oblivion, but until 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:12.040 you're willing to do what the Roman legions did was 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:15.760 put you your men on the ground, you can't hold it, 0:08:15.800 --> 0:08:17.320 you can't take it. And I think I don't think 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:19.920 we're trying to hold her take around here, but you 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:22.800 still really can't have any kind of impact until you 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:25.320 do something on the ground in order to move that forward. 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:28.400 So the airpower can bomb them back to civilism, you know, 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:30.880 back to their civilization and can really set them back. 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:33.160 And I think that's what Trump is looking for now, 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:36.400 that that visual sign he keeps talking about that their 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:38.880 nuclear program is twenty years set back and. 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:39.520 All of the like that. 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:43.040 But for all practical purposes to change things, you have 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:44.280 to occupy it. If you want to hold it, you 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:45.880 got to occupy it. And that's that's where the army 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:48.360 comes in. And again, we're not going there anytime soon, 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:50.200 so this is going to continue to be in air war, 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:53.600 I think for the very near future and long future. 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:57.520 One more angle on this, Mike, if we might. The 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:00.600 Wall Street Journal has a piece about how our adversaries 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:04.760 are watching what's going on and learning about our capabilities 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:08.520 and limitations militarily speaking, and they point out one of 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:12.040 the big takeaways is that they see the power of small, 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:16.000 low cost munitions even in the midst of all this technology. 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:17.360 What do you think of that and what else would 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:19.839 you add? What are our advertisers taking or I'm sorry, 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:23.480 adversaries taking from this. So the two issues. 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:25.800 The first one is right, the economics don't work on 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:27.920 air defense as well. You know, we have a two 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:30.280 million dollar missile. We're firing at one hundred thousand dollars 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:31.839 missile to try to take it out of the sky, 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:34.400 so that economics don't work. Now, we'll do whatever we 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:37.439 have to to defend and protect. So it shows you 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:39.160 that we have to go on the offense. We can't 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:41.280 be in the air defense system. We have to go 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:43.000 on the offense to make sure that our enemies don't 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:46.839 have the capability. But number two, there's a huge undercurrent 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:49.440 right now to develop the same kind of low cost 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:53.520 munitions and technology within our country, within entrepreneurs and the like, 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:54.920 and I think you're going to see more of that 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:57.040 in the next few years. You know, the United States 0:09:57.120 --> 0:09:59.040 is just always going to out muscle anybody. We can 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:01.680 still do that based on our economy and what we're 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:06.240 willing to spend. And so again, our our enemies are 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:07.760 looking at us and are trying to figure out a 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:12.040 way to defeat us. But we'll We've been able to 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:13.880 stay one step ahead of them in most cases, and 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:15.719 I think I think we'll continue to do that. 0:10:17.440 --> 0:10:20.760 Military analyst, my clients, really interesting stuff, Mike, Heck, it 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:23.600 could be completely different tomorrow. We appreciate the time. Thanks 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:28.280 very much, great guys, thanks for me. Yeah. Yeah, I 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:31.160 think maybe what warfare looks like in five years is 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:34.600 just anybody's guests, no kidding, uh. 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:40.240 I think maybe the biggest misunderstanding that regular people have 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:43.640 about war is what you can accomplish by bombing with planes. 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:50.960 And apparently, like I said, presidents fall for that too. Yeah, 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:54.240 we can just bomb our way toward whatever objective we have. 0:10:54.360 --> 0:10:57.959 And according to Mike Lions and Reality, based on having 0:10:58.080 --> 0:11:01.439 observed many wars now and my adult life, now, you 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:03.400 got to have people on the ground to accomplish what 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:07.440 you want to accomplish, which brings us to the Joe 0:11:07.480 --> 0:11:12.160 Getty would it be an axiom or a what would 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:12.480 it be? 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:17.640 Joe Getty principle? There you go Creed motto, mm Creed. 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:20.880 I like Creed. The Joe Getty Creed is in an 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:24.720 era of low cost munitions and drones. You can't remove 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:29.480 your opponent's ability to use those weapons weapons, so you 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:32.920 must review Jesus if I could spit it out, I mean, 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:37.839 as axioms go, this one's pretty incoherence. So fine, let 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:39.559 me have a second. Do we have enough tape? Michael? 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:40.600 Can I have second? 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:44.600 Take? As razors go, this is a difficult one to follow, 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:48.720 just as if somebody is carving this in granite. 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:51.640 They're getting pissed off. They're wasting a lot of good 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:53.960 chisel time. And let me rewind it real quick. 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:59.600 I'm off, so I asked, all right, in an era 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:03.880 of low cost munitions and drones, you can't remove your 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:08.600 opponent's ability to attack, so you must remove their will 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:09.280 to attack. 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:16.920 The oh yeah, counter to the Getty axiom is, hey, 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:20.720 are you gonna do that without exacting such pain? Did 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:25.480 you have to send in ground troops and and and 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:30.079 and complete warfare? Especially if you're dealing with a religious 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:30.640 death god. 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:32.520 That's what I was going to throw in that your 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:36.320 your your acxiom creed motto. Razor works if you're not 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:40.679 dealing with nihilists who are perfectly okay with dying, and 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:44.400 they're they're people dying and on all their people dying, right, yeah, 0:12:44.920 --> 0:12:45.439 or starving. 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:48.720 Yeah, that was a good thing. If I die and 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:50.840 you die, we're all in a better place. This is 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:52.920 this is perfect, This is good so let's go ahead 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:57.400 and die super Wow, the hell's avoided. Do get that 0:12:57.440 --> 0:13:01.520 carved in the granite. Put that up a pedestal. People 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:05.880 can check that out at their leader. I'd appreciate an obelisk. Ooh, 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:09.920 gotta love a good obelisk. What was that the other thing? 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:12.439 We got another thing coming up this hour. There's worth mentioned. 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:15.640 Oh it's so good. So it is? I don't remember 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:20.880 meet Oh oh wait, what what was it? I was 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:24.320 excited about it? I said, let's do it. There. 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:26.120 Have you listened to that show with the old guys 0:13:26.120 --> 0:13:27.800 who can remember what they're going to talk about? 0:13:29.200 --> 0:13:32.960 Oh? One guy so mush mouthed. He announces grand sayings 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:37.280 and you can't even understand them. Okay, whatever it was, 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:45.840 it was on the way, So there, that's funny. 0:13:46.360 --> 0:13:48.640 As they come to the last sixteenth of a mile, 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:52.000 it's a non permanent front boat sunning the new clothes on. 0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:55.240 Renegated it, Tempo close it too. 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:58.839 Here's doll it, Tempo doll it. 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:05.440 That sirita all mag history and the Kentucky Derby. The 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:11.120 first female trainer to win the Kentucky Derby, freakingoy four 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:15.719 year old Cherry Devote Conditioning tempo with a trip. 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:17.800 That just run down the stretch to win the Derby. 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:22.800 I freaking hate identity, politics, identity everything. Let her be 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:27.760 just fantastic for being what she did, not having to 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:28.920 put a thing on it. 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:30.880 I just I don't. I don't know. Well, a new 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:33.760 day is dawned for little girls who dream of training 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:37.880 a Kentucky Derby horse. You know what, do I know? 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:39.360 I'm a white male. I'm in the opposite of that. 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:40.680 But I would think, do you have to say I'm 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:42.600 the first black, or the first woman or the first one? 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:45.920 Can I just be the person that won the Kentucky Derby? 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:49.600 Yeah? A lot of those happy about that, who achieved 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:52.760 those things would prefer that. Honestly, Hey, can you make 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:55.000 me not a symbol? Can you mean somebody who just 0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:57.400 you know, went to the top of my profession? 0:14:57.560 --> 0:15:01.920 Yeah? But so I had heard. I didn't watch the KD, 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:05.000 but i'd heard the horse came from last place. Then 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:08.440 I saw the ending of it on the video and 0:15:08.480 --> 0:15:10.680 they're looking for above and they show where their horses. 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:12.000 And even though I knew the result, I. 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:14.640 Thought, that's not possible. Not with the amount of time 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:16.920 that's left. That horse can't make it from there to there, 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:19.480 that's not and it did. That was really quite amazing. 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:22.240 I was at a Kentucky Derby party and I have 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:24.640 no idea what happened. And I didn't see it happen. 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:29.600 He went to a confary derby party but didn't watch 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:33.880 the Kentucky Derby. Yeah, I was passed out, no kidding. 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:35.960 We were in a fight. There was supposed to be 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:39.680 a pool, and the person in charge of the pool 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:45.240 realized that a terrible logistical problem had been made and 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:50.480 asked me to solve it. And I was frantically trying 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:52.960 to solve it in a way that would not cause 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:57.040 a riot and was ultimately unable to and said, give 0:15:57.080 --> 0:16:01.280 everybody their money back. Oh man, So I was trying 0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:04.840 to deal with that, and you missed the first female 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:07.320 trainer to ever win the Kentucky Derby. Oh my god, 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:10.200 worst comes from last place. How much time I got, Michael, 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:11.880 I want to tell this tale's kind of interesting. About 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:14.440 a minute. Okay, this is enough time. It's a short story. 0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:17.960 So some scumbag got executed in Texas over the weekend 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:18.480 and he. 0:16:18.400 --> 0:16:20.520 Deserved it, double murdered. Horrible story. 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:24.480 Anyway, his new wife screamed I love you through the 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:27.360 window as he died of lethal injection. 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:29.600 You're probably thinking to yourself. 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:34.920 His new wife, British law graduate Tiana something or other, 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:39.920 had married this death throw inmate just weeks before he died. 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:44.960 The new wife struck up the relationship by writing to 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:48.640 him in prison as part of her law studies, was inconsolable. 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:52.240 As he was finally executed, she wrote to him a 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:55.800 while back, fell in love with him, married him, and 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:57.840 then screamed, I love you at the glasses he was 0:16:57.880 --> 0:17:02.600 put to death. Not how do you not commit that person? 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:06.000 Aren't they by definition too crazy to be on the street? 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:09.560 Crazy? Delusional? I certainly wouldn't let them practice law on 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:11.040 my behalf cuckoo. 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:14.919 Is Tucker Carlson delusional or is it an act? Or 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:16.919 what's going on with him? 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:18.600 Man? Did he have an interesting interview with The New 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:23.920 York Times over the weekend? Armstrong and Getty instead? 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:25.679 You know, there were a lot of cowardly people, as 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:28.320 there always are, and trump Engender's cowardice and the people 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:30.800 around him through intimidation, and there is a kind of 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:33.479 quality that he has that's spell binding, and I think 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:37.439 it probably literally is a spell, and the effect is 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:41.199 to weaken people around him and make them more compliant 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:44.080 and more confused. And I've experienced this myself. You spend 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:46.520 a day with Trump and sort of like you're in 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:47.560 this kind of dreamland. 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:48.840 It's like smoking hash or something. 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:51.760 It's interesting, very interesting, and there may be a supernatural 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:54.080 component to it. I'm not a theologian, but it's real. 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:55.720 And anyone who's been around and can tell you it's real. 0:17:56.960 --> 0:18:00.480 Wow, that's Tucker Carlson needed an interview The New York 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:02.640 Times over the weekend in which he said a bunch 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:03.560 of amazing things. 0:18:03.560 --> 0:18:06.119 We brought you some of them last week. But he. 0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:10.600 Well, let me read what Mark Levin tweeted out with 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:14.280 a clip. That clip there, Mark Levin, who's got a 0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:16.000 TV show on Fox and does a radio show. A 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:19.640 lot of you know that, folks, Spelly armis. I tried 0:18:19.640 --> 0:18:21.560 to knock Jack's phone out of his hand with my 0:18:21.640 --> 0:18:25.879 own spell. It didn't work, Folks, Carlson is in my opinion, Folks, 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:26.600 Carlson is. 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:28.679 That's why Mark Levin talks. Folks. 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:32.119 Carlson is in my opinion, mentally ill. That's the explanation, 0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:35.960 not complicated. I didn't think that before I thought he 0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:39.200 was just a grifter. That clip there where he sounds 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:43.199 completely sincere. I think he has a supernatural power to 0:18:43.200 --> 0:18:45.960 put spells on people. I mean, that's a crazy thing 0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:55.000 to say, supernaturally late on set psychosis for Tucker, it's 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:56.000 fairly rare. 0:18:56.119 --> 0:18:59.800 I think. I still go his gift is seeming sincere. 0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:02.520 I think he's appealing to people who believe that sort 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:08.240 of thing, kind of a magical uh thinking conspiracy theory crowd. 0:19:08.359 --> 0:19:10.640 I sit ready to be corrected. 0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:14.080 That he at various times what he means by spell 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:17.159 and supernatural, because after supernaturally he said, I don't know. 0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:20.159 I'm not a theologian. Okay, now you're talking about something 0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:21.800 in the world of god and stuff. 0:19:21.880 --> 0:19:23.160 Yeah, you throw at theologian. 0:19:23.240 --> 0:19:27.400 It's not just like which magic stuff and that comes 0:19:27.480 --> 0:19:28.480 in in this clip. 0:19:30.600 --> 0:19:35.080 You cannot mock other people's gods and put yourself in 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:35.600 their place. 0:19:36.040 --> 0:19:38.280 Period. That is a deal killer for me. That's worse 0:19:38.320 --> 0:19:39.960 than the war with Iran in my opinion. 0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:42.679 Yeah, I ask because you know you've been talking on 0:19:42.720 --> 0:19:44.760 your show about whether Trump is the Antichrist. 0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:47.200 I have not said that on your show. 0:19:47.240 --> 0:19:49.840 The day after Easter, you noted he did not put 0:19:49.840 --> 0:19:52.760 his hand on the Bible during his swearing ceremony as president. 0:19:53.160 --> 0:19:55.359 You said, and I'm quoting, maybe he didn't put his 0:19:55.400 --> 0:19:57.920 hand on the Bible because he affirmatively rejects what's inside 0:19:57.960 --> 0:20:00.320 that book. And then on a recent I show you 0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:02.800 went further, saying, here's a leader who's mocking the gods 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:05.440 of his ancestors, mocking the God of gods and exalting 0:20:05.520 --> 0:20:06.400