Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty.
Speaker 2: Arm Strong and Getty and I'm strong and Getty.
Speaker 3: With trade through that critical waterway, the Strait of Hormuz
Speaker 3: still blocked. President Trump tonight announcing a new plan to
Speaker 3: help guide cargo ships linked to countries not involved in
Speaker 3: the war to safety, Posting on social media, the President
Speaker 3: writing quote, for the good of Iran them, at least
Speaker 3: in the United States, we have told these countries that
Speaker 3: we will guide their ships safely out of these restricted
Speaker 3: waterways so they can freely and ably get on with
Speaker 3: their business.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's a new operation called Operation Freedom, though wasn't
Speaker 1: specifically said how we're going to guide the vessels through,
Speaker 1: and it doesn't include to US sailing warships next to
Speaker 1: him or something like that. If that's what you were picturing,
Speaker 1: it's what I was picturing. We're specifically not going to
Speaker 1: do that. So then it was news reports that a
Speaker 1: couple of US flagged boats, big ships that had been
Speaker 1: there since the start of the war got out for
Speaker 1: the first time. Well, that sounded like good news, but
Speaker 1: then just a couple hours ago a South Korean flagged
Speaker 1: ship was fired upon, the latest news being that it
Speaker 1: was fired upon in its engine room on the port side,
Speaker 1: which would be the side facing Iran on an outbound transit.
Speaker 1: So somebody in Iran fired on this South Korean flagged ship,
Speaker 1: probably to say, how serious are you Trump about this
Speaker 1: whole guiding ships out of the strait.
Speaker 2: I don't know why you're nitpicking. This trade is open.
Speaker 2: The announcement's been made well.
Speaker 1: IRGC announced like two hours ago that it is the
Speaker 1: strait is closed.
Speaker 2: Oh boy, what is the situation? What's it likely to
Speaker 2: turn into? Let's discuss with mill Terry analyst Mike Lyons,
Speaker 2: who joins us now. Greetings, Mike, how are you hey?
Speaker 4: Good money guys, thanks for having me back.
Speaker 2: Is it safe to say confusion rains today?
Speaker 4: Yeah? No, I think it does. It's hard to say
Speaker 4: what specifically this naval mission would look like. I mean,
Speaker 4: we've done it before. Back during the Iran Iraq War
Speaker 4: in the eighties, the United States used naval assets to
Speaker 4: escort tankers Kowiti WORL tankers in particular through the straits
Speaker 4: there to make sure that they weren't attacked by Iran.
Speaker 4: Back then and it's you know, the results were mixed.
Speaker 4: That you know, kept some of the lanes open, but
Speaker 4: it did led to some direct clashes. There were minefields
Speaker 4: and the like, and again I'm not sure we're that
Speaker 4: concerned about that. I think we'll respond right to them.
Speaker 4: But the point that was just made about that ship
Speaker 4: that was hit on that side, the real threat is
Speaker 4: coming from these coastal batteries that are almost indefensible from
Speaker 4: you you know, they've they've got the standoff, they've got
Speaker 4: this capability to hit the ships without us having any
Speaker 4: way to protect those real ships. So we have to
Speaker 4: see what happens. If they're going to take cruisers and
Speaker 4: destroyers and put them alongside those ships and actually escort
Speaker 4: them through. That's that's a big mission and that's going
Speaker 4: to take a lot of military assets to do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well we were talking about it earlier. Is really the.
Speaker 1: Unless you're gonna do it, you just described like have
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of big warships go through there and
Speaker 1: and you know, fight fight the people.
Speaker 2: On the on the on the beach.
Speaker 1: The only way to do it is to to threaten
Speaker 1: such retaliation that they don't want to fire on the
Speaker 1: ships like it's a bigger picture. It's the people that
Speaker 1: would make the decision say do not do this, And
Speaker 1: apparently they don't have that deterns yet.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: No, I mean that's the escalussion management, you know, I
Speaker 4: talked about in my Wall Street Journal article. I think
Speaker 4: that that that needs to be proven again that they'll
Speaker 4: do that. It'll take an incredible bombardment along that coastline
Speaker 4: of naval assets in order to destroy anything that's there.
Speaker 4: But if the IRGC still wants to do that, that
Speaker 4: one off asymmetrical threat still can do a lot of damage.
Speaker 4: And I think that's what we've got to be concerned about.
Speaker 4: And it doesn't still show at the terms sheet even
Speaker 4: the lack of this US being afraid of escalating it
Speaker 4: to higher levels not deterning them enough.
Speaker 2: We know, you take in a wide variety of inputs, news, etc. Michae,
Speaker 2: what's your perception of how much a squeeze on the
Speaker 2: world economy this whole thing is. Is it merely uncomfortable
Speaker 2: or is it uncomfortable leading toward like severe discomfort and
Speaker 2: counter reaction.
Speaker 4: Now I think it's uncomfortable, but I think it's part
Speaker 4: of this administration's overall plan to somewhat inoculate the United
Speaker 4: States from the problems of the rest of the world.
Speaker 4: I think the rest of the world is going to
Speaker 4: be much more uncomfortable. I think the Chinese are considerably
Speaker 4: worried about their energy security with this conflict, especially what
Speaker 4: what happened in Venezuela when we took over that operation
Speaker 4: or have more control over it. But that Trump says
Speaker 4: the US is energy independent and we are. The challenge though,
Speaker 4: is that the US soil market is still in Petro
Speaker 4: dollars are tied to US dollars. The whole economy runs
Speaker 4: on that, which is why we have to benchmark everything
Speaker 4: off the price of Brent crude oil. And that creates
Speaker 4: the challenge for Trump economically, because if we had to
Speaker 4: turn inside, we could do what we can to lower
Speaker 4: gas prices like the Biden administration did when they were
Speaker 4: trying to win an election.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: So there's things that the United States can do to
Speaker 4: help inoculate itself. It's the rest of the world I
Speaker 4: think that's got the challenge.
Speaker 1: So this is asking for a guess. I suppose, as
Speaker 1: opposed to analysis, are we going to get back into
Speaker 1: the kind of kinetic action that we saw at the
Speaker 1: beginning of this war.
Speaker 4: Do you think I wouldn't be surprised. I think Trump
Speaker 4: is trying to do everything he can not to do that.
Speaker 4: He gave the sixty day notice to Congress that he's
Speaker 4: ended combat operations, but all that's really done is we
Speaker 4: start the clock again. If you look at the War
Speaker 4: Powers Act, he has this capability to go to war
Speaker 4: sixty days at a time, and by ninety days the
Speaker 4: Congress can force him out of it. Well, he's told
Speaker 4: Congress that he's done with that first part of the conflict,
Speaker 4: so he could start the clock again. I do believe
Speaker 4: that it's not the last time you're going to see
Speaker 4: US firing missiles. I do believe they're going to see
Speaker 4: a lot more kinetic action in the future.
Speaker 2: Shore on that topic, there's been a great deal made
Speaker 2: about the amount of ordinance we've spent in this conflict,
Speaker 2: some of it sincere, some of it I think just
Speaker 2: this sort of partisanship we're used to scale of whatever
Speaker 2: you want, one to five, one to ten. How concerned
Speaker 2: are you about how much we've.
Speaker 4: Spent probably five and a half. I mean, the thing
Speaker 4: is Ukraine for the last three years it took us
Speaker 4: a couple of years to revamp our artillery rounds, as
Speaker 4: we've used a lot of the deep DPICM, the rounds
Speaker 4: from the eighties and nineties that we're sitting in shelves
Speaker 4: and we've sent them to Ukraine, so that manufacturing capability
Speaker 4: has now increased. But the missiles that we've used here,
Speaker 4: the missiles coming from the ships and coming from the sidewinders,
Speaker 4: all those things are expensive, the ticular of for minerals
Speaker 4: to make. And so when this is over in the
Speaker 4: next few months, and it's already the planning has already started,
Speaker 4: there's got to be a much bigger increase in the
Speaker 4: military industrial complex. And I think that's why this trillion
Speaker 4: and a half dollars budget he's trying to put forth
Speaker 4: next year is going to do a lot towards rebuilding
Speaker 4: a lot of those stocks. I mean, I still don't
Speaker 4: believe that Chinese will because of this. We'll look at
Speaker 4: this as a weakness on our side and decide to
Speaker 4: invate Taiwan, and I don't think that will force us there,
Speaker 4: but I do believe we're going to have to have
Speaker 4: a reset in the next two years once things go
Speaker 4: and we're going to have to really rebuild a lot
Speaker 4: of our ammunition stocks.
Speaker 1: Here's a question I think a lot of us layman have,
Speaker 1: and you can answer because you're a guy who you know,
Speaker 1: are the military fighting on the ground. I don't think
Speaker 1: most of us can understand why we can't get to
Speaker 1: where we want to get accomplish our objectives with just
Speaker 1: air power.
Speaker 2: It seems like.
Speaker 1: We'ret to be able to bomb out, bomb regime change,
Speaker 1: or bomb opening straits or whatever. And apparently, and apparently
Speaker 1: a lot of a president's also, I was reading at
Speaker 1: the other day presidents fall in love with air power,
Speaker 1: the fact that we have so much of it, and
Speaker 1: think they can accomplish our goals, but we can't.
Speaker 2: And why is that?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 4: There's a book written back in during the Korean War,
Speaker 4: a guy named Fahrenbach in this kind of war, and
Speaker 4: he basically said, you can fly over land, you can
Speaker 4: pound it, you can bomb it into oblivion, but until
Speaker 4: you're willing to do what the Roman legions did was
Speaker 4: put you your men on the ground, you can't hold it,
Speaker 4: you can't take it. And I think I don't think
Speaker 4: we're trying to hold her take around here, but you
Speaker 4: still really can't have any kind of impact until you
Speaker 4: do something on the ground in order to move that forward.
Speaker 4: So the airpower can bomb them back to civilism, you know,
Speaker 4: back to their civilization and can really set them back.
Speaker 4: And I think that's what Trump is looking for now,
Speaker 4: that that visual sign he keeps talking about that their
Speaker 4: nuclear program is twenty years set back and.
Speaker 2: All of the like that.
Speaker 4: But for all practical purposes to change things, you have
Speaker 4: to occupy it. If you want to hold it, you
Speaker 4: got to occupy it. And that's that's where the army
Speaker 4: comes in. And again, we're not going there anytime soon,
Speaker 4: so this is going to continue to be in air war,
Speaker 4: I think for the very near future and long future.
Speaker 2: One more angle on this, Mike, if we might. The
Speaker 2: Wall Street Journal has a piece about how our adversaries
Speaker 2: are watching what's going on and learning about our capabilities
Speaker 2: and limitations militarily speaking, and they point out one of
Speaker 2: the big takeaways is that they see the power of small,
Speaker 2: low cost munitions even in the midst of all this technology.
Speaker 2: What do you think of that and what else would
Speaker 2: you add? What are our advertisers taking or I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: adversaries taking from this. So the two issues.
Speaker 4: The first one is right, the economics don't work on
Speaker 4: air defense as well. You know, we have a two
Speaker 4: million dollar missile. We're firing at one hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 4: missile to try to take it out of the sky,
Speaker 4: so that economics don't work. Now, we'll do whatever we
Speaker 4: have to to defend and protect. So it shows you
Speaker 4: that we have to go on the offense. We can't
Speaker 4: be in the air defense system. We have to go
Speaker 4: on the offense to make sure that our enemies don't
Speaker 4: have the capability. But number two, there's a huge undercurrent
Speaker 4: right now to develop the same kind of low cost
Speaker 4: munitions and technology within our country, within entrepreneurs and the like,
Speaker 4: and I think you're going to see more of that
Speaker 4: in the next few years. You know, the United States
Speaker 4: is just always going to out muscle anybody. We can
Speaker 4: still do that based on our economy and what we're
Speaker 4: willing to spend. And so again, our our enemies are
Speaker 4: looking at us and are trying to figure out a
Speaker 4: way to defeat us. But we'll We've been able to
Speaker 4: stay one step ahead of them in most cases, and
Speaker 4: I think I think we'll continue to do that.
Speaker 2: Military analyst, my clients, really interesting stuff, Mike, Heck, it
Speaker 2: could be completely different tomorrow. We appreciate the time. Thanks
Speaker 2: very much, great guys, thanks for me. Yeah. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: think maybe what warfare looks like in five years is
Speaker 2: just anybody's guests, no kidding, uh.
Speaker 1: I think maybe the biggest misunderstanding that regular people have
Speaker 1: about war is what you can accomplish by bombing with planes.
Speaker 1: And apparently, like I said, presidents fall for that too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we can just bomb our way toward whatever objective we have.
Speaker 1: And according to Mike Lions and Reality, based on having
Speaker 1: observed many wars now and my adult life, now, you
Speaker 1: got to have people on the ground to accomplish what
Speaker 1: you want to accomplish, which brings us to the Joe
Speaker 1: Getty would it be an axiom or a what would
Speaker 1: it be?
Speaker 2: Joe Getty principle? There you go Creed motto, mm Creed.
Speaker 2: I like Creed. The Joe Getty Creed is in an
Speaker 2: era of low cost munitions and drones. You can't remove
Speaker 2: your opponent's ability to use those weapons weapons, so you
Speaker 2: must review Jesus if I could spit it out, I mean,
Speaker 2: as axioms go, this one's pretty incoherence. So fine, let
Speaker 2: me have a second. Do we have enough tape? Michael?
Speaker 2: Can I have second?
Speaker 1: Take? As razors go, this is a difficult one to follow,
Speaker 1: just as if somebody is carving this in granite.
Speaker 2: They're getting pissed off. They're wasting a lot of good
Speaker 2: chisel time. And let me rewind it real quick.
Speaker 6: I'm off, so I asked, all right, in an era
Speaker 6: of low cost munitions and drones, you can't remove your
Speaker 6: opponent's ability to attack, so you must remove their will
Speaker 6: to attack.
Speaker 2: The oh yeah, counter to the Getty axiom is, hey,
Speaker 2: are you gonna do that without exacting such pain? Did
Speaker 2: you have to send in ground troops and and and
Speaker 2: and complete warfare? Especially if you're dealing with a religious
Speaker 2: death god.
Speaker 1: That's what I was going to throw in that your
Speaker 1: your your acxiom creed motto. Razor works if you're not
Speaker 1: dealing with nihilists who are perfectly okay with dying, and
Speaker 1: they're they're people dying and on all their people dying, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: or starving.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a good thing. If I die and
Speaker 2: you die, we're all in a better place. This is
Speaker 2: this is perfect, This is good so let's go ahead
Speaker 2: and die super Wow, the hell's avoided. Do get that
Speaker 2: carved in the granite. Put that up a pedestal. People
Speaker 2: can check that out at their leader. I'd appreciate an obelisk. Ooh,
Speaker 2: gotta love a good obelisk. What was that the other thing?
Speaker 2: We got another thing coming up this hour. There's worth mentioned.
Speaker 2: Oh it's so good. So it is? I don't remember
Speaker 2: meet Oh oh wait, what what was it? I was
Speaker 2: excited about it? I said, let's do it. There.
Speaker 1: Have you listened to that show with the old guys
Speaker 1: who can remember what they're going to talk about?
Speaker 2: Oh? One guy so mush mouthed. He announces grand sayings
Speaker 2: and you can't even understand them. Okay, whatever it was,
Speaker 2: it was on the way, So there, that's funny.
Speaker 7: As they come to the last sixteenth of a mile,
Speaker 7: it's a non permanent front boat sunning the new clothes on.
Speaker 7: Renegated it, Tempo close it too.
Speaker 2: Here's doll it, Tempo doll it.
Speaker 7: That sirita all mag history and the Kentucky Derby. The
Speaker 7: first female trainer to win the Kentucky Derby, freakingoy four
Speaker 7: year old Cherry Devote Conditioning tempo with a trip.
Speaker 2: That just run down the stretch to win the Derby.
Speaker 1: I freaking hate identity, politics, identity everything. Let her be
Speaker 1: just fantastic for being what she did, not having to
Speaker 1: put a thing on it.
Speaker 2: I just I don't. I don't know. Well, a new
Speaker 2: day is dawned for little girls who dream of training
Speaker 2: a Kentucky Derby horse. You know what, do I know?
Speaker 2: I'm a white male. I'm in the opposite of that.
Speaker 1: But I would think, do you have to say I'm
Speaker 1: the first black, or the first woman or the first one?
Speaker 1: Can I just be the person that won the Kentucky Derby?
Speaker 2: Yeah? A lot of those happy about that, who achieved
Speaker 2: those things would prefer that. Honestly, Hey, can you make
Speaker 2: me not a symbol? Can you mean somebody who just
Speaker 2: you know, went to the top of my profession?
Speaker 1: Yeah? But so I had heard. I didn't watch the KD,
Speaker 1: but i'd heard the horse came from last place. Then
Speaker 1: I saw the ending of it on the video and
Speaker 1: they're looking for above and they show where their horses.
Speaker 2: And even though I knew the result, I.
Speaker 1: Thought, that's not possible. Not with the amount of time
Speaker 1: that's left. That horse can't make it from there to there,
Speaker 1: that's not and it did. That was really quite amazing.
Speaker 2: I was at a Kentucky Derby party and I have
Speaker 2: no idea what happened. And I didn't see it happen.
Speaker 1: He went to a confary derby party but didn't watch
Speaker 1: the Kentucky Derby. Yeah, I was passed out, no kidding.
Speaker 2: We were in a fight. There was supposed to be
Speaker 2: a pool, and the person in charge of the pool
Speaker 2: realized that a terrible logistical problem had been made and
Speaker 2: asked me to solve it. And I was frantically trying
Speaker 2: to solve it in a way that would not cause
Speaker 2: a riot and was ultimately unable to and said, give
Speaker 2: everybody their money back. Oh man, So I was trying
Speaker 2: to deal with that, and you missed the first female
Speaker 2: trainer to ever win the Kentucky Derby. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: worst comes from last place. How much time I got, Michael,
Speaker 2: I want to tell this tale's kind of interesting. About
Speaker 2: a minute. Okay, this is enough time. It's a short story.
Speaker 1: So some scumbag got executed in Texas over the weekend
Speaker 1: and he.
Speaker 2: Deserved it, double murdered. Horrible story.
Speaker 1: Anyway, his new wife screamed I love you through the
Speaker 1: window as he died of lethal injection.
Speaker 2: You're probably thinking to yourself.
Speaker 1: His new wife, British law graduate Tiana something or other,
Speaker 1: had married this death throw inmate just weeks before he died.
Speaker 1: The new wife struck up the relationship by writing to
Speaker 1: him in prison as part of her law studies, was inconsolable.
Speaker 1: As he was finally executed, she wrote to him a
Speaker 1: while back, fell in love with him, married him, and
Speaker 1: then screamed, I love you at the glasses he was
Speaker 1: put to death. Not how do you not commit that person?
Speaker 1: Aren't they by definition too crazy to be on the street?
Speaker 2: Crazy? Delusional? I certainly wouldn't let them practice law on
Speaker 2: my behalf cuckoo.
Speaker 1: Is Tucker Carlson delusional or is it an act? Or
Speaker 1: what's going on with him?
Speaker 2: Man? Did he have an interesting interview with The New
Speaker 2: York Times over the weekend? Armstrong and Getty instead?
Speaker 8: You know, there were a lot of cowardly people, as
Speaker 8: there always are, and trump Engender's cowardice and the people
Speaker 8: around him through intimidation, and there is a kind of
Speaker 8: quality that he has that's spell binding, and I think
Speaker 8: it probably literally is a spell, and the effect is
Speaker 8: to weaken people around him and make them more compliant
Speaker 8: and more confused. And I've experienced this myself. You spend
Speaker 8: a day with Trump and sort of like you're in
Speaker 8: this kind of dreamland.
Speaker 2: It's like smoking hash or something.
Speaker 8: It's interesting, very interesting, and there may be a supernatural
Speaker 8: component to it. I'm not a theologian, but it's real.
Speaker 8: And anyone who's been around and can tell you it's real.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's Tucker Carlson needed an interview The New York
Speaker 1: Times over the weekend in which he said a bunch
Speaker 1: of amazing things.
Speaker 2: We brought you some of them last week. But he.
Speaker 1: Well, let me read what Mark Levin tweeted out with
Speaker 1: a clip. That clip there, Mark Levin, who's got a
Speaker 1: TV show on Fox and does a radio show. A
Speaker 1: lot of you know that, folks, Spelly armis. I tried
Speaker 1: to knock Jack's phone out of his hand with my
Speaker 1: own spell. It didn't work, Folks, Carlson is in my opinion, Folks,
Speaker 1: Carlson is.
Speaker 2: That's why Mark Levin talks. Folks.
Speaker 1: Carlson is in my opinion, mentally ill. That's the explanation,
Speaker 1: not complicated. I didn't think that before I thought he
Speaker 1: was just a grifter. That clip there where he sounds
Speaker 1: completely sincere. I think he has a supernatural power to
Speaker 1: put spells on people. I mean, that's a crazy thing
Speaker 1: to say, supernaturally late on set psychosis for Tucker, it's
Speaker 1: fairly rare.
Speaker 2: I think. I still go his gift is seeming sincere.
Speaker 2: I think he's appealing to people who believe that sort
Speaker 2: of thing, kind of a magical uh thinking conspiracy theory crowd.
Speaker 2: I sit ready to be corrected.
Speaker 1: That he at various times what he means by spell
Speaker 1: and supernatural, because after supernaturally he said, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm not a theologian. Okay, now you're talking about something
Speaker 1: in the world of god and stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you throw at theologian.
Speaker 1: It's not just like which magic stuff and that comes
Speaker 1: in in this clip.
Speaker 8: You cannot mock other people's gods and put yourself in
Speaker 8: their place.
Speaker 2: Period. That is a deal killer for me. That's worse
Speaker 2: than the war with Iran in my opinion.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I ask because you know you've been talking on
Speaker 5: your show about whether Trump is the Antichrist.
Speaker 2: I have not said that on your show.
Speaker 9: The day after Easter, you noted he did not put
Speaker 9: his hand on the Bible during his swearing ceremony as president.
Speaker 9: You said, and I'm quoting, maybe he didn't put his
Speaker 9: hand on the Bible because he affirmatively rejects what's inside
Speaker 9: that book. And then on a recent I show you
Speaker 9: went further, saying, here's a leader who's mocking the gods
Speaker 9: of his ancestors, mocking the God of gods and exalting
Speaker 9: himself above them?
Speaker 5: Could this be the Antichrist?
Speaker 2: I actually did not say, could this be the Antichrist?
Speaker 8: Here's a leader who's mocking the gods of his ancestors,
Speaker 8: mocking the God of gods and exalting himself above them.
Speaker 8: Could this be the Antichrist? Well, who knows. I don't
Speaker 8: know where that comes from, but I know that those
Speaker 8: words never left my lips because I'm not sure I
Speaker 8: fully understand what the Antichrist is. If there's just one
Speaker 8: I actually tried to understand it, I may have said
Speaker 8: some are asking that I'm not weighing on that because
Speaker 8: I don't understand this.
Speaker 1: So because you're listening to this in audio and not
Speaker 1: watching the video, you couldn't tell there that they went
Speaker 1: to a clip of Tucker's show, in which he clearly
Speaker 1: obviously said could Trump be the Antichrist? Then he says,
Speaker 1: I don't know where you got that. I never said that.
Speaker 1: So that's where we are, ladies and gentlemen, that's where
Speaker 1: we are. Turn on the gas lights, everybody, you know
Speaker 1: on my ongoing thing about you don't need to tell
Speaker 1: the truth because your crowd will not hear the pushback
Speaker 1: doesn't make any difference anymore. Trump may have invented it
Speaker 1: or figured out the media landscape. I don't know what
Speaker 1: That's what Gavin Newsom's doing. That's what lots of people
Speaker 1: are doing. AOC does it all the time. People have
Speaker 1: figured out nobody's gonna hear the pushback, so I can
Speaker 1: say anything. The people love Tucker aren't gonna watch a
Speaker 1: New York Times interview with Tucker Carlson on New York
Speaker 1: Times website guaranteed.
Speaker 2: But those of us who would and think Tucker has
Speaker 2: either lost his mind ers now a grifter, are at
Speaker 2: least temporarily set back, thinking, well, WHOA he just outright
Speaker 2: denied having said it in spite of the tape. Could
Speaker 2: it be AI? Is it a creation? I am confused.
Speaker 2: I don't know, and this is the great aim of propaganda.
Speaker 2: I don't know what to believe. I'm not confused.
Speaker 1: I think he just he can just deny it, like
Speaker 1: I said, crowds not watching this, so you can just
Speaker 1: roll with it. But that's a heck of a thing.
Speaker 1: That seems like the next level to me. It's for
Speaker 1: me to for you to show me a play audio
Speaker 1: of me saying something, and I'd just say, flat out
Speaker 1: say I never said that.
Speaker 2: What what? Tucker? You know, I'd love to spend enough
Speaker 2: time to like chart this out or talk to somebody
Speaker 2: who's already figured it out, because I'm sure they exist.
Speaker 2: I used to when Tucker was on Fox News. I'd
Speaker 2: watch his show and his opening segment was so good.
Speaker 2: He's such a good writer, so good. I watched it
Speaker 2: every single night, and every show is a masterclass on
Speaker 2: how to argue unfairly. But there's got to be like
Speaker 2: a classical fallacy or a description of what he said
Speaker 2: in his first the first clip about that Trump can
Speaker 2: cast a spell, an actual spell. It might be supernatural.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm not a theologian, And so he
Speaker 2: trots out a premise that Trump can cast spells in
Speaker 2: the way of uh, the supernatural, whether it's you know,
Speaker 2: Harry Potter or Satan or whatever, and then to deflect
Speaker 2: any possible objections, says, I don't know, I'm not a theologian,
Speaker 2: which introduces into the discussion the notion that one must
Speaker 2: be a theologian to enter an opinion as to whether
Speaker 2: Trump can cast spells. So that is that is some
Speaker 2: real rhetorical stricta silet tap task.
Speaker 1: Well, and then you get into this, I mean, this
Speaker 1: is like Candice Owen's sort of thing here. He didn't
Speaker 1: put his hand on the Bible. Why is that?
Speaker 2: Is it? Because he rejects everything in there? Oh, come on,
Speaker 2: give me a break. Oh, there's an enormous, spectacularly lucrative
Speaker 2: market for what he's doing. I think that's your explt
Speaker 2: What I was going to say to you.
Speaker 1: That's funny, it flitted out of my head. If you're
Speaker 1: a Jim Rome fan, the sports radio host Jim Rome
Speaker 1: used to always say scoreboard because like all you're complaining
Speaker 1: about this and that and your arguments. Scoreboard, who had
Speaker 1: the most points at the end of the game.
Speaker 2: Who won?
Speaker 1: Scoreboard for Tucker Carlson, is his bank account scoreboard. I mean,
Speaker 1: he might be worth one hundred million dollars. He probably is.
Speaker 1: He's making more money now than he made it Fox
Speaker 1: and he's making twenty million dollars a year a Fox.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And and Candas is making shortstop money. Wow.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I you sleep at night because you
Speaker 2: have no conscience, or you've become completely cynical.
Speaker 1: I think with Tucker he's become completely cynical, and I
Speaker 1: could see how you'd get there. I think he's went
Speaker 1: around politics. He was so close to it his whole
Speaker 1: life and worked for CNNMSNBC, ABC and it worked for everybody.
Speaker 1: At various points, was around all these politicians. I think
Speaker 1: he finally got to the oh, this whole thing is fake.
Speaker 1: Everybody's just saying what they need to say to make money,
Speaker 1: the politicians, the media, people, everybody.
Speaker 2: Okay, now I'm gonna do it. And I think, like
Speaker 2: a woman, a woman or a well that was good, Michael.
Speaker 2: I really enjoy that. I'm like a woman or a
Speaker 2: man scorned, I think, and I don't think I'm being naive.
Speaker 2: I think he actually cared pretty deeply about certain principles
Speaker 2: for a long time too. That's why I always watched
Speaker 2: him and read him and then realized that the pros
Speaker 2: that are in charge of government couldn't give an ass
Speaker 2: about those principles, and they only pretend to agree with
Speaker 2: them to either drag you along or shut you up.
Speaker 2: But no, they're they're completely wildly cynical. You combine combine
Speaker 2: that with a notion that is a moral but understandable
Speaker 2: that look, these people are going to give their money
Speaker 2: in loyalty to somebody. I could let can't this have
Speaker 2: the whole pie? Or I can join in and make
Speaker 2: that money too. This is the next level.
Speaker 1: Though, when they play you a tape from your show,
Speaker 1: it's easily findable.
Speaker 2: You can go to his website right now and watch him.
Speaker 1: Called Trump the Antichrist and for him to say I
Speaker 1: never said that.
Speaker 2: I mean that is we're in a new spot now.
Speaker 2: I don't like this spot. You got any other spots
Speaker 2: I could sew? Holy crap. That's why I'm always saying
Speaker 2: I'll be in the woods if you need me. I
Speaker 2: believe these waters to be unnavigable.
Speaker 1: So this got him a lot of attention, and we
Speaker 1: might as well hear him lay it out on why
Speaker 1: he because we were at the convention, the Republican Convention,
Speaker 1: Tucker got the biggest crowd response of anybody but Trump.
Speaker 2: When he walked out, it was like you'd gone to
Speaker 2: see Robert Plant and Jimmy Page walked on the stage
Speaker 2: in terms of rapturousness.
Speaker 1: And he was great, and he had no notes and anything,
Speaker 1: and he just walked out there and he winned it
Speaker 1: and he was fantastic, and now he and Trump had broken,
Speaker 1: and he explains all that now.
Speaker 8: Eighty eighty truly believe that the baseline requirement, the ticket
Speaker 8: of admission to the conversation is admitting when you are wrong.
Speaker 8: And I spent ten years defending Trump on Fox News.
Speaker 8: I'd probably do it again because on the issues I
Speaker 8: agree with him. I never said a sing, I never
Speaker 8: defended a single thing I didn't believe. But at this point,
Speaker 8: the consequences of this decision are so bad for the.
Speaker 2: United States and for my my family.
Speaker 8: He's talking about that like you have to say, you
Speaker 8: just have to say it out loud, like I'm a
Speaker 8: small reason.
Speaker 2: I don't think. I don't think I moved a lot
Speaker 2: of votes, but I tried to.
Speaker 8: I told people, this guy will keep us out of
Speaker 8: the next Iraq specifically will keep us out of.
Speaker 2: A regime change war with Iran.
Speaker 8: And here we are in the middle of a regime
Speaker 8: changed war in Iran, where hundreds of Americans have been wounded,
Speaker 8: some number have been killed. They won't tell us. And
Speaker 8: that's just the opposite of what I said would happen.
Speaker 8: So I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: He's sorry that he helped play the role in getting
Speaker 1: Trump elected. Now I've heard him in interviews and then
Speaker 1: other people talk about this. It is about the war
Speaker 1: in Iraq. Something broke in his brain. That was the
Speaker 1: That was the straw that broke the camel's back where
Speaker 1: he decided, Okay, this is all a lie. He feels
Speaker 1: like because he he's supported the war with the Iraq.
Speaker 2: He tried to convince people. I think he was at CNN.
Speaker 2: Then it goes way back.
Speaker 1: He he tried to convince people, no, the war in
Speaker 1: Iraq is a good idea in here is why. And
Speaker 1: then when it turned out there were no weapons of
Speaker 1: mass destruction, all that, he feels like he personally was
Speaker 1: lied to. Maybe he was, and that's when everything broke
Speaker 1: for him. He said, Okay, okay, this is all this
Speaker 1: is all freaking game. You got okay, Well, now I'm
Speaker 1: going to do it.
Speaker 2: Another interesting tuckerism there the whole We don't no, they
Speaker 2: won't tell us. I think they have told us. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's so good at that, much like names and addresses.
Speaker 2: But I ran into some guys who are lapping this
Speaker 2: stuff up a week or two ago and that sort
Speaker 2: of thing. Something's been hidden, but you and me were
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Speaker 2: got a question for you before we take a break.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you believe Tucker thinks Trump might be the
Speaker 1: anti christ?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Boy, I'll answer while you think. I if you'd asked
Speaker 1: me last week, got it said no? After hearing that interview,
Speaker 1: I think maybe he actually believes it.
Speaker 2: He's a very religious guy, Tucker. I think he actually
Speaker 2: believes it, and that would also explain his bizarre and
Speaker 2: defensible defense of like Eastern Orthodox religion, including the Russian
Speaker 2: Orthodox Church. He thinks we're in the cataclysmic battle for
Speaker 2: good and evil with the whole Oak Crowd and Rainbow
Speaker 2: trans Coalition people. And yeah, they're brutes, but you got
Speaker 2: to be a brute to defend Christianity. He might believe that. Wow.
Speaker 1: Any thoughts on that text line four one five two
Speaker 1: nine kftc.
Speaker 2: JD has been subject to.
Speaker 8: This is well known, but I'll just confirm it, non
Speaker 8: stop treachery from people on the neo conservative side. Who
Speaker 8: are these people around Marco Rubio and they have been
Speaker 8: totally against JD.
Speaker 2: Vanswer from the very beginning, what do you mean specifically
Speaker 2: you know? I don't know, is the real answer. I
Speaker 2: don't know, accusing people of treacheries.
Speaker 8: I'm wondering, Well, I know there's been a lot of
Speaker 8: treachery for sure, and I know they've been they were so.
Speaker 2: Mad about JD getting that job, means they.
Speaker 5: Who's they within the White House?
Speaker 2: I don't you know. I don't know the answer to that.
Speaker 8: I've never worked there, So like, if you don't work there,
Speaker 8: you can say you know, you can say what you
Speaker 8: think you know, but it's hard to really know.
Speaker 5: This is me looking skeptical.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well no, but it's me being honest, like I
Speaker 2: don't really know. Tucker is so good at that sort
Speaker 2: of thing.
Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson, we played the clip earlier where he said
Speaker 1: Trump might be the IETI Christ. Then he said, I've
Speaker 1: never said that. Then they played a clip of him
Speaker 1: saying it and he said that wasn't me. So I
Speaker 1: don't know what's going on.
Speaker 2: There. Well, I think I know what's going on there.
Speaker 1: We got a number of responses on the text line
Speaker 1: from people who just agree with our take on Tucker
Speaker 1: that he's either crazy or a grifter, But then plenty
Speaker 1: of these two. The deep state is big, broad, deep,
Speaker 1: and real. That's who Trump and the good people are
Speaker 1: fighting the deep state mainstream media entertainment programming like TV, movies,
Speaker 1: news and radio. Are you guys blind or are you
Speaker 1: part of it? A lot of that sort of thing.
Speaker 2: You got to connect dots. You just don't just throw
Speaker 2: aspersions at us.
Speaker 1: But you're on one side or the other, either on
Speaker 1: Tucker and Kandae's side or you're on the bad side
Speaker 1: and suggesting we're on the bad side.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're artificially putting up who's on the good side
Speaker 2: and who's on the bad side, dividing lines. But thanks anyway, Yeah,
Speaker 2: uh huh. Well, speaking of casting spells and that sort
Speaker 2: of thing, evidently Meghan d Stallion fans are pissed off
Speaker 2: at NBA star Clay Thompson for breaking up with her
Speaker 2: and have begun employing Etsy witches to cast curses on him.
Speaker 2: That's a thing. Who's he played for now? Michael. He
Speaker 2: went to the Mavericks.
Speaker 1: Is he's still there after he left Golden State, winning
Speaker 1: several championships.
Speaker 2: With the MAVs. Yeah yeah, at thirty six years old.
Speaker 2: The Hot Girl Summer rapper confirmed Saturday that she split
Speaker 2: from the Mavericks star after less than a year together,
Speaker 2: and her fans wasted no time going from heartbreak to
Speaker 2: x as they say, and they always entertaining New York
Speaker 2: post requesting the help of witches online.
Speaker 1: Like would you say to that tone? Quite the ladies man? Apparently,
Speaker 1: and she broke up with him for infidelity.
Speaker 2: Apparently.
Speaker 1: I know this is shocking out of an NBA player,
Speaker 1: but apparently he had other girlfriends at the same time
Speaker 1: he was dating her, which is unimaginable in the world
Speaker 1: of professional sports.
Speaker 2: You wouldn't think that, No, you wouldn't and I quote cheating,
Speaker 2: had me around your whole family playing house, got cold feet,
Speaker 2: she wrote, holding you down through all your horrible mood
Speaker 2: swings and treatment towards me during your basketball season. Now
Speaker 2: you don't know if you can be monogamous. Oof, Well,
Speaker 2: somebody treats your favorite star like that, what else do
Speaker 2: you do? Then? On source your revenge to Etsy witches. Yes.
Speaker 2: One fan rode alongside a video of a woman stabbing
Speaker 2: a voodoo doll courtside, currently talking to my friends on
Speaker 2: the other side, and the Etsy witches have been called
Speaker 2: Clay Thompson. You're done, Clay Thompson. Your Achilles tendon will
Speaker 2: begin to ache in three days. One person eerily warned,
Speaker 2: while another claimed quote just paid an Etsy witch, Clay
Speaker 2: Alexander Thompson, you will be dealt with. So there are
Speaker 2: layers to this.
Speaker 1: Yes, if you run into someone like this one, they
Speaker 1: believe in witches. Two, they believe that they can cast
Speaker 1: spells by buying some paraphernalia on Etsy.
Speaker 2: Well, you buy the spells on Etsy. Three.
Speaker 1: If they have this power, they use it whenever one
Speaker 1: of their favorite music artists breaks up with their boyfriend,
Speaker 1: which seems like pretty.
Speaker 2: Low bar for casting spells. Here's one person that's requested
Speaker 2: of the Etsy witch to give Clay Thompson deer legs
Speaker 2: by tomorrow morning. He'd be fat. Nobody could catch him. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but he'd constantly spin out on the court. He'd have
Speaker 2: no ability to change this. Like you ever seen a
Speaker 2: deer on the blacktop? Yeah, they's scrambling fall, Yeah, I
Speaker 2: could give him the legs of a beast, but it's
Speaker 2: gonna cost you fifty.
Speaker 1: And again, you have this power, and when you use
Speaker 1: it is when one of your favorite senior stars has
Speaker 1: a relationship problem, not for anything other good thing that
Speaker 1: you could do with your spells. But well, no, no,
Speaker 1: the fans hire the witches. The witches will do it
Speaker 1: for the money. They don't care who's with who. They're professionals, Jack,
Speaker 1: It's like an attorney. I mean, not like my client,
Speaker 1: but I took an oath.
Speaker 2: Gotcha.
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