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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George

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Speaker 1: nor with you our first guest. Dan Baldwin is with

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Speaker 1: us a pendulum dowser, using his skills to search for

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Speaker 1: missing persons, contact the spirit world, and most recently, exploring

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Speaker 1: the connection between you a full phenomenon and the spirit world. Now,

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Speaker 1: some of his books include Speaking with Spirits of the Southwest,

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Speaker 1: Conversations with Spirits of the Southwest, the Psychic Detective, and

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Speaker 1: he has a number of them, and also of course

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Speaker 1: the Pendulum Paranormal Pendulum three that he wrote with George Sewell. Dan,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. How are you. I am

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Speaker 1: doing fine, still swinging the old walk on the string.

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Speaker 1: You sure are, explained to people who don't know what

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Speaker 1: pendulum dowsing is, what it is, Okay, most people are

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Speaker 1: probably familiar with, you know, with the old farmer with

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Speaker 1: the y shaped witch instake looking for water out in

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Speaker 1: the in the past or someplace. And that's exactly what

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Speaker 1: I do. With the difference is I use a weight

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Speaker 1: on a string and basically you hold a string with

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Speaker 1: the weight at the base and you ask a question.

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Speaker 1: If it swings to the right, that's a yes. It

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Speaker 1: swings to the to the left, that's a no. And

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Speaker 1: the way it works basically is, you know, your conscious

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Speaker 1: mind focuses on the on the weight itself. It's a

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Speaker 1: little bit like hypnotism that frees up your subconscious to

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Speaker 1: talk to your higher self or to higher spirit. In

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Speaker 1: our case, we've talked to you know, spirits of the

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Speaker 1: deceased and even extraterrestrials. Are some people better dowsers than others? Dan? Oh, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and that's just a matter of some people are better

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Speaker 1: at the piano than other people. It's a skill that

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Speaker 1: anybody can develop, and some people will be better at

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Speaker 1: it than others. But there's there's nothing magical about it.

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Speaker 1: You can pick it up, you know, you pick it

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Speaker 1: up in a pick up the technique in an hour.

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Speaker 1: The practice actually takes a lot longer, obviously. I know.

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Speaker 1: In some cases you hold it lightly between your two fingers,

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Speaker 1: your index fingers and your other finger and you just

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Speaker 1: And you know, it's there's nothing magical about that. Your

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Speaker 1: your muscles in your finger actually move the move the

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Speaker 1: weight around. But they move it at the direction of

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Speaker 1: your subconscious mind as opposed to your critical mind, and

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Speaker 1: that makes all the difference in the world. Now, how

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Speaker 1: does it work with spirit communication? Yeah, I think I

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Speaker 1: think it's a it's a real advantage for people who

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Speaker 1: are interested in speaking with the with the deceased, because

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Speaker 1: you know, if you go out with the normal, normal

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Speaker 1: run of the psychic investigation, you hope to get some

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Speaker 1: kind of response, maybe an e VP or maybe a

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Speaker 1: knock on the door or something like that, and you

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Speaker 1: take that home with you and said, hey, we made contact.

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Speaker 1: That was great. With a pendulum, you can actually have

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Speaker 1: extended conversations with the with the with the deceased. You

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Speaker 1: can just care, you can ask question after question after question,

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Speaker 1: and as long as the spirit is willing to talk

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Speaker 1: to you, you can continue the conversation. That's something and

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Speaker 1: I think it works better than some other techniques simply

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Speaker 1: because you're dealing with a higher self, so in a sense,

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Speaker 1: you're dealing on a spirit to spirit level, and I

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Speaker 1: think the communication is a lot easier that way. Now,

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Speaker 1: what advantage is there dependent on dalzing as opposed to

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Speaker 1: going to some medium or something like that. Well, we worked,

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Speaker 1: worked with mediums. In fact, we had we had two

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Speaker 1: mediums working with us as volunteers on this book. I

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Speaker 1: actually like working with the medium because that gives you,

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Speaker 1: you know, another avenue to explore. Sure. So yeah, how

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Speaker 1: did you get started in dowsing? Dan? It's one of

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Speaker 1: those strange stories. You know. I'm not a clear audience.

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Speaker 1: I don't hear voices. But about twenty five years ago,

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Speaker 1: So after about three months of dodging the obvious, you know,

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Speaker 1: And you can actually shrink down the area of research.

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Speaker 1: Lindsay Higgins. Who's Lindsay Higgins. Okay, Lindsay Higgins. Uh, let

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Speaker 1: to reincarnate throughout the centuries in a long term process

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Speaker 1: And she's the typical abduct d. You know, she saw

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Speaker 1: So she worked with George. George and I were working

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Speaker 1: but you definitely got it. Yeah. Yeah, So how how

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Speaker 1: through you seeing the pendulum, Dan, can you get this

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Speaker 1: information about some of these past lives and incarnations and

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Speaker 1: everything else about her? Yeah? This is this is basically

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