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Speaker 1: My fellow Americans.

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Speaker 2: Mahallo.

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Speaker 3: It's April twenty eleven White House Correspondence Dinner in DC,

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Speaker 3: a giant annual party for politicians and the press Corps.

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Speaker 3: President Barack Obama on stage, roasting himself, his colleagues, the press,

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Speaker 3: and the odd celebrity.

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Speaker 1: As some of you heard, the State of Hawaii released

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Speaker 1: my official long form birth certificate. Anyway, Donald Trump, let's

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Speaker 1: here tonight.

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Speaker 3: For months leading up to this, Donald Trump was going

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Speaker 3: on talk shows falsely claiming that Obama wasn't born in

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Speaker 3: the US, which, if that was true, would have made

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Speaker 3: him a wrongfully elected president. People believed it. The rumor

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Speaker 3: grew enough so that Obama had to weigh in.

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Speaker 4: But no one has had. No one is prouder to

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Speaker 4: put this birth certificate matter to rest than the Donald. Obviously,

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Speaker 4: we all know about your credentials and breadth of experience.

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Speaker 4: Well seriously, just recently, in an episode of Celebrity Apprentice

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Speaker 4: at the Steakhouse, the men's cooking team did not impress

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Speaker 4: the judges from Omaha Stakes, and you, mister Trump, recognized

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Speaker 4: that the real problem was a lack of leadership, and

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Speaker 4: so ultimately you didn't blame little John or meet Loaf,

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Speaker 4: You fired Gary Busick, And these are the kind of

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Speaker 4: decisions that would keep me up at night.

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Speaker 3: Omarrosa Newman, she was actually also on the Apprentice, was

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Speaker 3: also at the Correspondent Center that night. Later in a

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Speaker 3: PBS documentary, she said, it.

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Speaker 5: Just up, going and going, and he just kept hammering him,

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Speaker 5: and I thought, Oh, Barack Obama starting something. I don't

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Speaker 5: know if he'll be able to finish.

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump went on to beat Hillary Clinton for the

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Speaker 3: job of president. He literally took over Obama's home and job.

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Speaker 5: Every critic, every detractor, will have to bow down to

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Speaker 5: President Trump. It's everyone who's ever doubted Donald whoever disagreed,

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Speaker 5: whoever challenged him. It is the ultimate revenge to become

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Speaker 5: the most powerful man in the universe.

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Speaker 3: Now fast forward a few more years. It's twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 3: Joe Biden's the president, and one afternoon on the White

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Speaker 3: House lawn, he signs an executive order saying that by

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Speaker 3: twenty thirty, half of all new cars sold would be electric.

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Speaker 3: It was a piece of Biden's big plan to prioritize

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Speaker 3: the climate. He wanted to make e that's electric vehicles.

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Speaker 3: By the way, a lot cheaper. This was new Biden

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Speaker 3: all in on EV's and the big automakers too. We

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Speaker 3: are the United States of America.

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Speaker 6: There's not a single solitary thing, nothing beyond our capacity

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Speaker 3: I want to.

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Speaker 6: Thank the CEOs of the automobile companies, and I also

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Speaker 6: want to thank all the auto.

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Speaker 3: Workers at the White House that day. Are members of Congress,

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Speaker 3: the UAW United Auto Workers, and a bunch of big

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Speaker 3: wigs from the Big Three that's General Motors, Ford and

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Speaker 3: Stillantis better known as Chrysler. Right before putting pen to paper,

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Speaker 3: Biden invites his colleagues to come up and stand by

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Speaker 3: his side. Come on, let's let the CEO's go to

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Speaker 3: Let's let the CEOs through too.

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Speaker 7: This is an executive or strengthy in America's leadership and

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Speaker 7: clean cars and trucks.

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Speaker 2: And again, let me start up.

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Speaker 6: I think in the CEOs as well as the UAW

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Speaker 8: Thank you, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 3: There is one guy who's done more to make evs

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Speaker 3: happen than anybody in the Big Three who was missing

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Speaker 3: from the White House that day, noticeably so. But he

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Speaker 3: was watching. So on one hand, we've got Barack Obama

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Speaker 3: Joe Biden hyping up electric cars, separate events ten years apart.

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Speaker 3: What do they have to do with each other? I

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Speaker 3: think kind of a lot. I'm Max Chafkin, a reporter

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Speaker 3: with Bloomberg BusinessWeek. This is Citizen Elon. This is a

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Speaker 3: show about Elon Musk, someone I've spent almost twenty years

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Speaker 3: reporting on. For the longest time, Elon's been a champion

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Speaker 3: for elect your cars, a champion for outer space, and

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Speaker 3: as of this summer, a champion for Donald Trump. The

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Speaker 3: Elon I've always known has been largely a political. Now.

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Speaker 3: In the weeks leading up to the twenty twenty four election,

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Speaker 3: Elon's funneled more than one hundred million dollars into getting

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump elected. What I'd really like to understand is

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Speaker 3: what happened. Why is Elon suddenly so committed to Trump winning?

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Speaker 3: And if it works, if he successfully gets Trump elected,

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Speaker 3: what's in that for him? The first time I interviewed

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Speaker 3: Elon Musk was in two thousand and six. Tesla was

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Speaker 3: in the world. You talk to CEOs normally and they're scripted.

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Speaker 3: They talk in soundbites, and Elon is the opposite. He'll

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Speaker 3: say whatever he wants, whatever's on his mind.

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Speaker 2: It is a fixer oppera of a planet. But eventually

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Speaker 8: How would you do that?

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Speaker 2: You'd warm it up? The Fast Way has dropped them

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Speaker 2: nuclear weapons over the polls. I actually have to say

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Speaker 2: we have to keep the essays only questions.

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Speaker 3: Everyone was a slave everyone, well not everyone was a slave.

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Speaker 6: No, everyone was a slave.

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Speaker 2: We are all decided from slaves, all of us. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: just a question of when.

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Speaker 3: Of course, Elon could also be cold cruel. Looking back

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Speaker 3: on it now, I think maybe I was letting him

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Speaker 3: his bad behavior. In terms of politics, Elon's always been

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Speaker 3: kind of a chameleon. When George W. Bush was president,

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Speaker 3: Elon didn't have much to say about climate change. He

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Speaker 3: a green capitalist, ecologically conscious. He wanted a blanket America

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Speaker 3: with solar panels. His take on Trump running matched most

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Speaker 2: You know, hopefully Trump doesn't forget the domination of you know,

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Speaker 2: the Republican Party. That's because I think that's, yeah, that

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Speaker 3: And again, after twenty sixteen, Musk more or less got

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Speaker 3: on board with Trump, meetings with Steve Bannon, was on

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Speaker 3: advisory councils to the president. It was business as usual.

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Speaker 3: But then COVID came. It's something changed, especially after Biden

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Speaker 9: You have to remember that, Like, you know, Elon Musk

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Speaker 9: is a guy who can't get enough of the dopamine

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Speaker 9: feedback of people and crowds and adulation.

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Speaker 3: Dana Hall is another reporter here at Bloomberg. She also

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Speaker 3: covers Elon Musk.

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Speaker 9: And during the pandemic, we were all locked down in

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Speaker 9: our houses, and he was incredibly angry that Tesla's factory

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Speaker 3: On an Ernie's call talking to investors, Elon called stay

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Speaker 3: at home orders in Alameda County, where Tesla's factories were based.

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Speaker 3: Fascist quote, this is not democratic, this is not freedom.

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Speaker 3: Give people back their goddamn freedom. And then you.

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Speaker 9: Started seeing more tweets that were kind of questioning, you know,

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Speaker 3: Danna said, by this point it was just a hop,

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Speaker 3: then there was something else that happened during COVID, something huge.

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Speaker 9: But at some point Elon Musk became the richest person

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Speaker 9: in the world. And I think that once you're the

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Speaker 9: richest person in the world, you are emboldened to do

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Speaker 3: Let's go back to that summit. August twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 3: A month after that, Elon's at a tech conference. He's

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Speaker 3: that he felt. He's still thinking.

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Speaker 7: About it, you know, like Biden held this EB summit,

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Speaker 7: didn't invite Teslam, and if I had jammed forward christ

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Speaker 6: The White House.

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Speaker 10: So you're pissed.

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Speaker 2: So this has sound maybe a little biased.

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Speaker 3: Eight months go by and Elon sits down for another

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Speaker 3: Silicon Valley. And remember that White House snub. Elon is

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Speaker 3: still pissed off about it.

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Speaker 2: Last year, President Biden held an EV summit where Tela

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Speaker 2: was explicitly not allowed to come. Now, Tela's made two

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Speaker 2: thirds of all electric vehicles in the United States. Deliberately

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Speaker 2: excluding us from an EV summit at the White House,

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Speaker 2: that tells you all you need to know.

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Speaker 1: It's insane.

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Speaker 2: Insane.

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Speaker 3: Fast forward another eighteen months, a year and a half later,

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Speaker 3: Elon's on stage at a New York Times event. He's

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Speaker 3: talking to the financial columnist Andrew Ross Sorkin.

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Speaker 5: You've been very frustrated with the Biden administration, feeling like

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Speaker 5: they did not respect what you created.

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Speaker 3: Have you forgotten yet about that White House snub? No,

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Speaker 3: neither has Elon Well.

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Speaker 2: I mean, without any doing nothing to provoke the wide administration.

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Speaker 2: They held an electric vehicle summit at the White House

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Speaker 2: and specifically refused to let Tesla attend. We've done nothing

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Speaker 2: to provoke them. Then Biden went on to add insult injury.

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Speaker 3: Elon says, President Biden even singled out General Motors for

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Speaker 3: having quote led the EV revolution.

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Speaker 2: This was in the same quarter that Tesla made three

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Speaker 3: Tesla actually sold three hundred and eight thousand cars that quarter.

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Speaker 3: a fan of labor unions. That's putting it mildly. Joe Biden,

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Speaker 3: He's called himself the quote most pro union president in history.

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Speaker 5: Can you give us any insight into why Tesla wasn't

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Speaker 10: So it's not because Tesla is a non union shop. Well,

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Speaker 10: these are the three largest employers of the United Autoworkers.

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Speaker 10: So let draw your own conclusion.

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Speaker 3: Go ahead. Translation, Yes, which classic politics, right, But Elon

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Speaker 3: didn't take it that way. Biden doesn't have to include

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Speaker 3: But Elon's reaction was personal. He couldn't seem to move

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Speaker 3: than a grievous insult. On the one hand, it's surprising

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Speaker 3: to see a busy CEO fixate like this. Doesn't he

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Speaker 6: You know, if he didn't like what you were doing,

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Speaker 6: these sort of negative reactions to you personally.

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Speaker 3: This is Jim Cantrell. He was on the founding team

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Speaker 3: at SpaceX for a long time. He and Elon worked

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Speaker 6: He wouldn't come talk to you about it. He would

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Speaker 6: either call you an idiot, he would tell you you're wrong,

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Speaker 6: he would challenge you, he would yell at you, and

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Speaker 6: then later he'd just fire you.

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Speaker 3: Elon is indisputably really impressive. Jim agrees. But Jim also

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Speaker 3: could not take Elon's moodswings, and so he quit.

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Speaker 6: By the way, that's a controversial topic that he.

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Speaker 3: Last year, the writer Walter Isaacson published a sprawling biography

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Speaker 8: Elon Musk is a very powerful person, you know. He's

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Speaker 11: Welcome to Tucker Carlson said, a good news show. Don't

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Speaker 11: get those two often. It's April twenty fifth, twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 11: Elon Musk bought Twitter today. Unlike the leaders of Facebook, Google, Apple, Amazon,

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Speaker 11: Elon Musk believes in free speech This is the single

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Speaker 11: biggest political development since Donald Trump's election in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 11: It is certainly the most threatening challenge to the corrupt

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Speaker 3: Remember watching this and rolling my eyes, I thought, Elon

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Speaker 3: who's just spent forty four billion dollars to buy Twitter.

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Speaker 3: What does Elon do right after closing the Twitter deal?

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Speaker 3: He reinstates Donald Trump's account. If you can't join them,

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Speaker 3: beat them, that's next time. Citizen Elon is produced by

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Speaker 3: Lina Mesitzi's Rayhon Haarmanci is our senior editor, Blake Maple's

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Speaker 3: Bloomberg Podcasts. Big thanks to the Elon Ink crew, David Papadopolis,

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Speaker 3: breaking Elon news, and thanks to our Bloomberg colleagues David Fox,

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Speaker 3: Brad Stone, editor of BusinessWeek and Katie Boyce, executive editor

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Speaker 3: Citizen Elon comes out next week, and since we won't

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