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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Insiders. Tom Pellisero, Mike Grifolo, Judy Batissa,

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Speaker 1: and Ian Rappaport clockwork clockwise on your dial if you're

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Speaker 1: catching this right now on the podcast, it is a

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Speaker 1: two parts. You can always flip over to see part

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Speaker 1: one or just listen to part two. Totally different content,

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Speaker 1: Double the pleasure, double the fun. Let's talk about the

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Speaker 1: game that I was at yesterday in Indianapolis, one that,

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Speaker 1: as I spoke with a number of people about before

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Speaker 1: the game, it felt like the biggest Colts home game

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Speaker 1: in five years. They haven't made the playoffs since twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty when Philip Rivers was the quarterback, which feels like

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Speaker 1: eons ago. The Colts, of course, had come out a

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Speaker 1: very hot start. Then over the past several weeks there

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Speaker 1: have been a couple of bumps in the road. A

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Speaker 1: Texans team coming in that started zero to three, climbing

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Speaker 1: up beat the Texans, you kind of push them back

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Speaker 1: to be three games back, lose. All of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: the Texans are a game back and the Jaguars can

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Speaker 1: be tied for first place, which is exactly up taking place.

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Speaker 1: I did not Judy come away from that game thinking

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Speaker 1: This is a Colts team in crisis now. As we

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Speaker 1: talked about in the first part of the show, losing

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Speaker 1: Sauce Gardner for however long it ends up being, It

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Speaker 1: could be a couple of weeks, it could be more

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Speaker 1: like four weeks. We'll find out. That is clearly a

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Speaker 1: blow to the defense. Not the guy that you want

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Speaker 1: to lose on the very first series of the game.

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Speaker 1: And not just because he clearly was supposed to be

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Speaker 1: the sidekick with Cam Binham doing the Rkle dance and

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Speaker 1: so then Cam was just awkwardly doing that dance himself,

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Speaker 1: but also because Daniel Jones and Ian reported it last week,

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Speaker 1: dealing with a fracture in his fibula. This is an injury.

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Speaker 1: It should be healing while he's playing. That's a big

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Speaker 1: reason why he's able to be out on the field.

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Speaker 1: In other words, he should get better. You still have

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor, you still got weapons all over the field.

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Speaker 1: But that race where a one point we were talking

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Speaker 1: about the Colt's going to be the one seed. All

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, it kind of feels like they need

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Speaker 1: to make a run starting this week in Jacksonville.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is why I'm concerned about the Colts. They

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Speaker 2: have the toughest remaining schedule in that division. They have

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Speaker 2: the Jaguars twice. Now, the Jaguars, as we know, you're

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Speaker 2: not really sure what you're getting with them up and down,

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Speaker 2: not really sure what you're getting from Trevor. But then

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Speaker 2: they also have Seattle, San Francisco, Houston. So those are

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Speaker 2: all teams that are going to be making pushes for

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Speaker 2: the playoffs, right, all teams that are going to be

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Speaker 2: playing at a very high level. That's a tough It's

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Speaker 2: tough again without Sauces, it's going to be tough, and

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Speaker 2: Houston is coming together.

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Speaker 3: The defense.

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Speaker 2: The Houston defense is so good that they have a

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Speaker 2: chance in every game, even though CJ. Stroud is still

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Speaker 2: not twenty twenty three c J Strowd, But the defense

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Speaker 2: is so good that they're winning games anyway and they're

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Speaker 2: going to push it. So don't I wouldn't say the

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Speaker 2: Colts are in crisis, but I'm certainly concerned about the Colts. Again,

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Speaker 2: that looked like a division that they were going to

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Speaker 2: it after the midpoint of the season, and now I

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Speaker 2: feel like they've got the toughest way into the playoffs,

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Speaker 2: because I think in that division, you're you're going to

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Speaker 4: Probably, Yeah, I mean, I am concerned about the Colts.

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Speaker 4: And I only say that because it was so good,

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Speaker 4: Like all these seasons have sort of like like they

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Speaker 4: an extension, and Shane Stekin could be coach of the

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Speaker 4: Year and oh my god, they just traded for Sauce Gardner.

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Speaker 3: Can you believe that?

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Speaker 4: And he's so good and look at the job and

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Speaker 4: Rumo's doing and it was all coming together. But these

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Speaker 4: are also humans, and so you start to lose a

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Speaker 4: bunch in a row. You lose one of your best players,

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Speaker 4: you got to have it without sauce and your quarterbacks

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Speaker 3: It is just it's a lot for any team to handle.

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Speaker 4: And I think, you know, up to this point, Shane

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Speaker 4: Steichen has done a very good job. But we're gonna

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Speaker 4: learn a lot about them, and you know, I think

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Speaker 4: and there's plenty of teams, Mike that seem ready to

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Speaker 3: I love the Texans are they started oh and three,

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Speaker 3: super impression there. They're just they've got so many guys

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Speaker 3: they're just playing so well for them and really making

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Speaker 3: people love points, but not it's good defense, Like teams

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Speaker 3: I love watching the Texans, and you know this is

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Speaker 3: going to be the old defense wins championships. Maybe with

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Speaker 3: we talk about who the complete teams aren't. It may

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Speaker 3: So the Texans, to me are fun right now. Demiko

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Speaker 1: Very first snap of or very first series of that

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Speaker 1: been all kinds of players safety things, but like you

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Speaker 1: that guy. He's that tone. Early on, it was just

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Speaker 1: Matt Burke, their defensive coordinator, is probably the name we're

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Speaker 1: several weeks here has done a remarkable job. He took

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Speaker 1: over the play calling for Demiico Ryans after that early

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Speaker 1: the offense. Nick Kaylee had a backup quarterback in Davis

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Speaker 1: You can see the Texans finding their identity as this

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Speaker 1: what those teams do. They don't always start hot, but

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Speaker 1: they're always getting better. And you're watching the Texans as

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Speaker 1: Jaguars Judy play better football. You mentioned it earlier, Trevor Lawrence,

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Speaker 1: But that's what you're supposed to do. You're supposed to

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Speaker 1: dominate inferior opponents. And that's exactly what Jacksonville did to

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Speaker 2: Be talking about it if they had played down to

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Speaker 2: which is what they should be doing. I wish Trevor

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Speaker 2: a good looking team. And in that division where it's

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Speaker 2: Like again, this is another case none of these teams

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Speaker 3: I like their chances.

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Speaker 2: I probably feel better about the Jaguars right now than

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they've done sort of what the Broncos have done

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Speaker 3: and that's why their record is what their record is.

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Speaker 3: Can I talk Titans real quick? Because I find the

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Speaker 3: and potentially gonna have the first overall pick. This reminds

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Speaker 3: And being the Jared huh, it's gonna be the same.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be the same because if there's a Jared

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Speaker 1: which ye begin to the pre draft process.

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Speaker 3: Fernando Mendoz are being talked about as the top quarterback

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Speaker 3: right now by a lot of people. The argument the.

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Speaker 1: Kid, yeah, right, but it's not like a slam dunk.

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Speaker 1: You don't have a Caleb Williams, who we knew two

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Speaker 3: It's a quarterback league com and there's something with that

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Speaker 3: like last year they win, all the teams are going

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Speaker 3: Now you've got multiple teams with multiple first round picks

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