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Speaker 2: New England Patriots. So we just watched this seventh training
Speaker 2: camp practice for your New England Patriots out at jil Stadium,
Speaker 2: a very very hot day seven here at in Foxborough.
Speaker 2: This was not that anybody cares, but this was the
Speaker 2: hottest day of the camp by far supposed to. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this was this was true training camp weather where it
Speaker 2: was hot as as heck out there and shells in
Speaker 2: helmets today. But honestly, I feel like especially for the
Speaker 2: passing game, Like it's not that all that different. Like
Speaker 2: we're not in Ota mode where there's no pads whatsoever,
Speaker 2: and we're in shorts and the T shirts. Like you're
Speaker 2: in shells, so you know, not quite as big as
Speaker 2: your normal shoulder pads, but shoulder pads of some sort.
Speaker 2: You just aren't in the full body armor. So it's
Speaker 2: not all that different. I would say then the fully
Speaker 2: padded practices in the past game. Obviously the run game
Speaker 2: is a little bit different, but we still saw a
Speaker 2: lot of pass game today. We'll talk about that, but
Speaker 2: off the top, I do want to get to some
Speaker 2: news items. Where do you want to start? So Judan
Speaker 2: or Gotsha, I think Judon is probably more pertinent ye
Speaker 2: to today. So Judon was out there a Patriots practice today.
Speaker 2: He did participate. He was a participant in practice. Although
Speaker 2: I didn't see him out there a ton, like you know,
Speaker 2: he was out there and it wasn't that he wasn't
Speaker 2: he wasn't not participating, but I wouldn't say that it
Speaker 2: was one hundred percent either, right, But he was a
Speaker 2: full participant just in terms of all the drills, and
Speaker 2: he was back out there Drodmeyo before practice mentioned that
Speaker 2: they had some sort of meeting the two of them.
Speaker 2: It didn't necessarily and this is purely speculative on my
Speaker 2: part reading between the lines, It didn't necessarily feel contractual
Speaker 2: that they were talking about, like, it didn't feel like
Speaker 2: they were in a negotiation room with each other. It
Speaker 2: more felt like, how do we amicably move forward?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And he said they had a great conversation, told
Speaker 2: us before practice that he expected Judon to practice in
Speaker 2: Judon did it in fact practice. So long story short,
Speaker 2: long waited, you know, opening here, gotscha gets paid, Judon
Speaker 2: still looking for his Where did the Patriots go from here?
Speaker 2: After Monday's dust up with Matt, Jared, Drod Mayo, Elliott Wolf,
Speaker 2: matc Grow and Jude, I'm leaving practice and then coming
Speaker 2: back today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a million dollar question, or probably more like
Speaker 1: a fourteen fifteen, sixteen million dollar question, like I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know, you walk away from what happened on Monday,
Speaker 1: and then I think it was the right move to
Speaker 1: not have him out there Tuesday, let the temperature come down.
Speaker 2: But then yesterday he's on Twitter.
Speaker 1: There's a report that they had offered him a contract
Speaker 1: which apparently wasn't true.
Speaker 2: And yeah, it's just like.
Speaker 1: There's clearly issues here, there's clearly deep issues here.
Speaker 2: Where do you go?
Speaker 1: But he gets back out there today based off what
Speaker 1: Jarrod Mayo said, I mean, the vibe kind of got
Speaker 1: from that, and I think he left it open a
Speaker 1: little of do interpretation that was probably on purpose, But
Speaker 1: the vibe I got from that was kind of just
Speaker 1: we're gonna forget about it. Right it happened. We're just
Speaker 1: not gonna mention it. We're gonna move on and that's
Speaker 1: in the past. And that's probably the only way to
Speaker 1: do it if you're gonna keep him here, because you
Speaker 1: and a player just openly subordinate a practice to then
Speaker 1: turn around and reward that guy. Set's quite the president.
Speaker 1: So I look, you're gonna have to get something done,
Speaker 1: like he's clearly not gonna play under his current contract.
Speaker 1: I think what's been and by the way, I thought
Speaker 1: this was best for both sides before Monday, figure out
Speaker 1: some sort of band aid to get through the rest
Speaker 1: of this year, and then at the end of the
Speaker 1: season you go your separate ways.
Speaker 2: I think that's what's best for both parties now more
Speaker 2: than ever, Yeah, I'm with you. I've been saying for
Speaker 2: a while now that my solution to this problem for
Speaker 2: the Patriots is going the route of tacking on an
Speaker 2: incentive package onto his current contract that would be likely
Speaker 2: to be earned for him, you know things technically this
Speaker 2: kind of confusing minuitia, but technically they would be not
Speaker 2: likely to be earned just because of how little he
Speaker 2: played last year. But in the grand scheme of things,
Speaker 2: it's like, if you play more games than you did
Speaker 2: last year, well, odds are he's gonna do that. If
Speaker 2: you had more sacks than you did last year, odds
Speaker 2: are he's gonna do that. You know, maybe there's a
Speaker 2: bigger kicker for like double digit sacks Pro Bowl, you know,
Speaker 2: something like that, and you go that direction and that
Speaker 2: way there it gets him on board for the short term.
Speaker 2: Maybe you do revisit a trade at the deadline if
Speaker 2: you're out of it, which some expect them to be
Speaker 2: if they're I think the deadlines a right around Halloween, right,
Speaker 2: it's like November. It's actually I think it's on election
Speaker 2: Day this year. It's like early November, and you know,
Speaker 2: maybe seven eight weeks into the season. If you're two
Speaker 2: and six at that point and it's really a complete reset,
Speaker 2: rebuild year. Then maybe you look to trade him to
Speaker 2: a contender at that point, you know, the Niners call
Speaker 2: or Cincinnati calls or whatever, and you're able to deal
Speaker 2: him at that point. That way, there he gets to contender,
Speaker 2: maybe they work out an extension with him once he
Speaker 2: gets to his new landing spot, and he's probably more
Speaker 2: likely to earn all those incentives because he's going to
Speaker 2: go play real football down the stretch. So everybody in
Speaker 2: that case is somewhat happy. I understand from his perspective
Speaker 2: that he probably wants more long term security than that,
Speaker 2: But the reality is is that it sets him up
Speaker 2: to hit the open market next year. If he has
Speaker 2: a good year this year, he might get that, you
Speaker 2: know Zadarius Smith contract, like a two year, twenty five
Speaker 2: million dollar deal. Maybe more like he could even go
Speaker 2: and do the Jadeveon Clowney pass rush for a higher
Speaker 2: thing where he's just signing one year deals with contenders
Speaker 2: every year. Yeah. Yeah. So the good news is in
Speaker 2: the short term, very very short term, is that it
Speaker 2: seems like him and Mayo have come to an agreement
Speaker 2: to that. Matthew Junon is not going to be hopefully
Speaker 2: not going to be into distraction like he was the
Speaker 2: other day, and we've gotten to that point. Related to that, obviously,
Speaker 2: is the news yesterday, which we all when Drew Rosenhaus
Speaker 2: was here the other day, you could smell something was coming, right,
Speaker 2: it seemed pretty obvious and we all kind of saw
Speaker 2: this coming. But Devon Godshaw signs a two year extension
Speaker 2: with the Patriots. He seems happy. Spoke after practice today,
Speaker 2: you know, like he said, not as happy as I
Speaker 2: could have been, because no one everyone always wants more money.
Speaker 2: We want more money in our jobs. He wants more
Speaker 2: money in his but he seems taken care of for
Speaker 2: the short term as well. What we're not even about
Speaker 2: the process of how we got here. Think we're over
Speaker 2: that now, but just what is your impression of paying
Speaker 2: Devon Godsha. And we should mention that this deal is
Speaker 2: the money that is going to get push to the
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five is expected to be light right, Like
Speaker 2: it's not going to be a significant amount on their
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five cap in terms of guaranteed money, but
Speaker 2: you are committed to Devon Gotsha for this year, and
Speaker 2: if there's a decent amount of guaranteed money next year
Speaker 2: a chunk, I should say, then you probably have him
Speaker 2: on your roster in twenty five as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of feel the same way about this
Speaker 1: as I did about the Remonders Evens contract, where I
Speaker 1: don't know if I would have done it. I just
Speaker 1: they talk about being more aggressive, little bit older guy,
Speaker 1: or a scheme specific or situation specific.
Speaker 2: Player, not that Remondre is.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, it's just like
Speaker 1: those are the reasons why I maybe would have and
Speaker 1: you can get good defensive tackles, Like I maybe would
Speaker 1: have moved on, But it's not enough money for me
Speaker 1: to get worked up about it. Like I don't think
Speaker 1: they handcuffed themselves really at all with this contract. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if he's a good player, it's gonna look brilliant if
Speaker 1: he continues to be a good player for them. If not,
Speaker 1: it's not a ton of money, the terms not a lot.
Speaker 1: You can still they absolutely have the flexibility to go
Speaker 1: in another direction if they need to go in another direction.
Speaker 2: So I don't know, I don't mind it. Like I
Speaker 2: don't hate the move.
Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't have done it, but I also don't
Speaker 1: think there's really any significant downside there.
Speaker 2: So I feel two ways about this, and in like
Speaker 2: my class half full, my glass half empty, take on it,
Speaker 2: my glass half full, take on it is exactly what
Speaker 2: you just said, which is right now according to over
Speaker 2: the cap And this didn't necessarily factor in the Godschaw
Speaker 2: extension yet when I looked at it. But it's not
Speaker 2: going the Gotshaw extension is not going to take the
Speaker 2: from seventy eight million dollars in cap space next offseason
Speaker 2: to forty Like it's not that big of a deal, right,
Speaker 2: So we're talking about something that's marginal. So let's just
Speaker 2: call it north of seventy million dollars in cap space
Speaker 2: next year. And that's a luxury of having a rookie
Speaker 2: quarterback on a rookie contract. But it's also the reality
Speaker 2: of the fact that you don't have a ton of
Speaker 2: top end talent that are high priced.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, but at the same time, they've gotten
Speaker 1: all these extensions done, Like who.
Speaker 2: Are there penning free agents? Yeah they are. It's like
Speaker 2: Jonathan Jones and yeah, is that it Judon judeon right? Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 2: So the point is on the glass half full side,
Speaker 2: is that it will not be Their cap is not
Speaker 2: going to be a problem next year for them adding
Speaker 2: significant talent to this roster. Now, I can't sit here
Speaker 2: on the on the show and promise that the cash
Speaker 2: isn't going to be the problem, right, but the cap
Speaker 2: is not going to be the problem. So if you're
Speaker 2: one of those these people that are like worried that
Speaker 2: they paid Devon Godshaw and now they're not going to
Speaker 2: go out in trade for Brandon Nyuk in the off season,
Speaker 2: are signed to Higgins in the off season, those two
Speaker 2: things are not necessarily directly correlated unless you're a cash
Speaker 2: person you're worried about Robert Kraft literally cutting a check
Speaker 2: for Brandon Nyuk. If you're in that school thought, then
Speaker 2: they've spent some money this year. They're top ten right now,
Speaker 2: and cash spent for this team this year. They're going
Speaker 2: to be a little bit higher now at Devon Godshaw's deal,
Speaker 2: and probably a little bit higher with Matthew Judon's deal
Speaker 2: if it does get done. So there are some concerns
Speaker 2: about it from that respect. From a player perspective, like
Speaker 2: an on the field scheme perspective, I actually don't hate
Speaker 2: keeping him around. They were the number three run defense
Speaker 2: in the league by DVA last year. One of the
Speaker 2: best in the league at stopping the run. He plays
Speaker 2: a very important role we know that is a two
Speaker 2: gapping nose tackle. I guess Jeremiah Farms was probably the
Speaker 2: closest thing that they had to him on the roster.
Speaker 2: But I think there's a drop off there between Jeremiah
Speaker 2: Farms and Devon Godshaw. So what I'm getting at with
Speaker 2: that is that I look at it almost like it's
Speaker 2: a boat. Like it's a canoe where we're riding this
Speaker 2: different the boat of the Mystery Box. Yeah, we're riding
Speaker 2: this this canoe up the Charles River. And the Patriots
Speaker 2: canoe has holes in it. It's taken on water. Right
Speaker 2: quarterback until proven otherwise, receiver until proven otherwise, left tackle
Speaker 2: till proven otherwise. We have this boat with all these holes.
Speaker 2: If they started to tear down this roster and they
Speaker 2: take the Devon Godshot piece out, and they take the
Speaker 2: Kyle Duggar piece out, and they take the mic On
Speaker 2: Winnu piece out, and they take the Remondra Stevenson piece out,
Speaker 2: now all of a sudden, your canoe is not just
Speaker 2: taking on water. Now you're underwater, and I think what
Speaker 2: they're what they've done is that they've reinforced what's left
Speaker 2: of the canoe. And yeah, and now what they have
Speaker 2: to do is they have to go out and plug
Speaker 2: the holes that are already pre existing. And and to
Speaker 2: that end, they haven't gotten there yet. They're not where.
Speaker 2: We haven't checked that box yet. But a lot of
Speaker 2: these people that are lamenting extending or resigning players that
Speaker 2: were part of afore win football team last year, well
Speaker 2: you have to also look at it from the perspective
Speaker 2: of if you take all those players out of this roster,
Speaker 2: then you have even more holes and even further play.
Speaker 2: You're even further away from being competitive at that point.
Speaker 2: So that's how I look at Devon Godshaw too. You know,
Speaker 2: Devone Godshaw is a good early down run, stuffing nose
Speaker 2: tackle in your defense. If you pull him that django
Speaker 2: piece out, now that the tower starts to get a
Speaker 2: little lobbily, right, right. So that's a big part of
Speaker 2: it too. Uh So I don't hate I think of
Speaker 2: the remondre comp is good too, Like I don't love
Speaker 2: playing a situation paying a situational player in today's NFL
Speaker 2: when the situation is run stopping. I don't love it,
Speaker 2: but at the same time I can understand where they're
Speaker 2: coming from that they didn't want to create another hole
Speaker 2: in the boat.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: So that that's where we're out with that last bit
Speaker 2: of news here right before we got on the air. Actually,
Speaker 2: Mike Purcell, who is a I think it's Percell, Percell
Speaker 2: person Percell, for sure, it's Percell. We'll get the Purcell.
Speaker 2: So Mike Purcell, for it was with the Denver Broncos
Speaker 2: last year, had a cup of coffee with the Patriots
Speaker 2: in the twenty seventeen season on their practice squad. But
Speaker 2: this is a guy with some NFL production and is
Speaker 2: an NFL player, you know, played a decent amount of snaps.
Speaker 2: I think it was four hundred and something snaps last
Speaker 2: year for the Denver Broncos. So when I look at
Speaker 2: this deal with him, he's a bigger guy, you know.
Speaker 1: Not.
Speaker 2: This isn't a This isn't a Daniel Qualley, right, this
Speaker 2: is a three pound listed at three eight. Yeah, into
Speaker 2: your defensive lineman. I look at their base front, their
Speaker 2: base defensive line on first down, and when you pull
Speaker 2: the Christian Barmore piece out of that which is just
Speaker 2: we haven't talked about that actually on the show.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's not much you know, we're gonna address
Speaker 1: football side of but like it sucks, you hope the
Speaker 1: dude on his twenty fifth birthday, man, hope he's yeah.
Speaker 2: I hope he's doing all right. Uh And from a
Speaker 2: football side of it, like you said, it sucks when
Speaker 2: you pull him out though. Just again, no one's Christian Barmore.
Speaker 2: No one's saying is Mike Purcell is Christian Barmore? Okay,
Speaker 2: But when I did this yesterday when they re signed Godshaw,
Speaker 2: I tweeted out what I thought was probably going to
Speaker 2: be their starting base nickel, their three three five based
Speaker 2: nickel team, and that weak side three four end spot.
Speaker 2: You have Dietrich Wise and you have Davon Godshaw. You
Speaker 2: know those two guys are probably gonna be on the
Speaker 2: field on first down. The third spot? Is it Keon White?
Speaker 2: Is it armand Watts? Is it Jeremiah Farms? Is it
Speaker 2: Daniel Aqualae? Like that's that spot is right now because
Speaker 2: Barmore was supposed to be there, and now that Barbour
Speaker 2: is not there at least for the foreseeable future, there's
Speaker 2: a pretty massive void to fill there. A guy like Purcell,
Speaker 2: to me, is someone that can come in and stop
Speaker 2: to run a little bit on first down, so that
Speaker 2: maybe you can go to like still a pretty big
Speaker 2: front in that odd front right where you still have
Speaker 2: a three hundred and twenty pound guy similar to maybe
Speaker 2: more so to like a Lawrence guy than a than
Speaker 2: a Christian Barmore. And that that to me is what
Speaker 2: that spells, is that, Okay, you know with Keon White,
Speaker 2: splashier player, but two hundred and eighty five, two hundred
Speaker 2: and eighty pounds on first down, teams are going to
Speaker 2: target him in the run game. They're gonna run right
Speaker 2: at them, right that that's gonna be problematic for us.
Speaker 2: We don't really think that a quality or armand Watts
Speaker 2: are early down players. You think of those guys more
Speaker 2: as interior pass rushers in obvious passing situations. So a
Speaker 2: guy like Purcell, I think, can come in and be
Speaker 2: sort of that base three four end which they are
Speaker 2: missing now obviously without Barmark.
Speaker 1: And look, he can play on the nose too if
Speaker 1: you need him, and gives them some depth with Jeremi
Speaker 1: Jeremiah Farms.
Speaker 2: Really there are only no other nose tackles.
Speaker 1: I said, like Daniel Aquali's here, but he's more of
Speaker 1: an attacking up field, aggressive defensive tackle.
Speaker 2: I put Tristan Hill in that category. Two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm honestly not as familiar Tristan Neil, but like
Speaker 1: three hundred ten pounds, he's not a nose now and
Speaker 1: he looks like like.
Speaker 2: A leaner guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he doesn't look there would be some upside that
Speaker 1: he's an interesting players, a second round pick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we definitely talked about Tristan Hill in that draft
Speaker 2: that he was. Yeah, you know, we kicked around.
Speaker 1: But if you're talking about you know, I wass go
Speaker 1: back to Danny Shelton. Do you have just a big
Speaker 1: body you can put in the middle and get in
Speaker 1: the way, And I mean that's Devon Godshaw, But if
Speaker 1: you know you want depth there, it's physical position or
Speaker 1: like you said, you want to put another guy on
Speaker 1: the edge, it's it was really Jeremiah Farms. It's the
Speaker 1: only other guy they've had in that mold. And at
Speaker 1: the very least, Percelle gives you another option. You know,
Speaker 1: whether he makes the team or not, he's certainly somebody
Speaker 1: that think would be a practice squad candidate. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: they end up sticking with Farms on the roster, but
Speaker 1: gives them another big body in the middle.
Speaker 2: Yep, absolutely, all right, last bit of uh, I think
Speaker 2: we covered all of it. Oh, David Andrews back at
Speaker 2: practice today. That's good to see his wife. Actually, just
Speaker 2: I don't know which social media platform they all blent together.
Speaker 2: I think it was Instagram. She posted a quick update
Speaker 2: about their son and said that he's out of the
Speaker 2: hospital and it seems like he he just had a
Speaker 2: virus and he's going to be okay. So that's great
Speaker 2: news to hear. But that that's a way of telling
Speaker 2: you that this was a personal reason that he missed
Speaker 2: the last couple of practices. Yeah, and not of he
Speaker 2: said that.
Speaker 1: He said that during his availability to his son was
Speaker 1: in the hospital. Yeah, so I think he said he
Speaker 1: was expecting him home today.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So yeah, so this wasn't anything physical with David Andrews.
Speaker 2: So he was back out there again today. And then
Speaker 2: you mentioned we well, in the in the open, we
Speaker 2: had this great Marte Mopho segment where we had this
Speaker 2: this super hybrid role planned for Marte mop Who that
Speaker 2: was going to make him a star and then he
Speaker 2: has some sort of injury that has not and has
Speaker 2: not practiced in a couple of days now and has
Speaker 2: been out there taking mental reps but has not actually
Speaker 2: participated in practice since when I want to say, we're
Speaker 2: going on three or four practices now that he hasn't
Speaker 2: been practicing, and for him, we're gonna do three up,
Speaker 2: three down as well from our our first seven days
Speaker 2: of camp. But that one is it's tough as a
Speaker 2: second year player trying to make a roster, trying to
Speaker 2: carve out a role, to not be out there. And
Speaker 2: if you feel for him, because he looks he looks
Speaker 2: like it visually right, you know when you watch him
Speaker 2: out there at practice, how frustrated he is that he
Speaker 2: can't be out there. So that's a little bit of
Speaker 2: a bookkeeping. I do want to talk about the quarterbacks
Speaker 2: before we get into the emails and the calls, and
Speaker 2: again see your calls up there. We're gonna get you
Speaker 2: guys in the second eight five to five. Pass five
Speaker 2: hundred is the phone number in web radio at Patriots
Speaker 2: dot Com is the email address. But I want to
Speaker 2: talk a little bit about the quarterbacks, and I'm just
Speaker 2: gonna come out and say it. Benvolan of the Boston
Speaker 2: Globe has caused quite a stir. I would say it's
Speaker 2: fair to put it because he wrote in his analysis
Speaker 2: that he feels as though Joe Milton has been better
Speaker 2: than Drake May in training camp. And he said that
Speaker 2: you wouldn't know which one was the third overall pick
Speaker 2: and which one was the sixth round pick. Now, there
Speaker 2: is definitely some element truth that Joe Milton has been
Speaker 2: better than expected. I think he has. I think that's
Speaker 2: how I would put it. He's been better than I expected,
Speaker 2: and he, no doubt is a terrific quarterback from a
Speaker 2: physical tools perspective. That arm is as advertised and maybe
Speaker 2: then some yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you understand now? I was kind of geeked up
Speaker 1: about him.
Speaker 2: It's the and granted I'm not I'm not an elder
Speaker 2: statesman yet, so it's only it's my seventh training camp.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm not you know someone that's seen thirty of
Speaker 2: these or something like that. But that's the livest arm
Speaker 2: I've ever seen. And it's not just the deep ball,
Speaker 2: it's like it's the way he can drive the ball.
Speaker 1: He had a throw today where I mean it was
Speaker 1: like a fifteen yard throw, but he had this tiny
Speaker 1: window to put it in and just I mean got
Speaker 1: it there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it the ball When when we say he's one
Speaker 2: of the scouting cliches and we say the ball jumps
Speaker 2: out of his hand explodes, Yeah, this guy. The ball
Speaker 2: explodes out of his hand like a freaking cannon. Absolutely,
Speaker 2: and there's no doubt about it. Now. We talked about
Speaker 2: this a little bit on Patriots Unfiltered after the draft,
Speaker 2: and maybe we kicked it around here too. This is
Speaker 2: exactly what I was concerned about going in was and
Speaker 2: it's not a shot at volin. But when you watch
Speaker 2: these two guys in practice, there isn't a big difference
Speaker 2: from a physical tools perspective in the two guys. And
Speaker 2: we knew that coming in because his nickname is literally
Speaker 2: Bazuoka Joe, so we knew he was gonna look impressive
Speaker 2: in the red non contact jersey when he has a
Speaker 2: huge arm, He's six five, two hundred and thirty five
Speaker 2: pounds out there doing backflips and pads. He's an impressive athlete,
Speaker 2: There's no doubt about that. And I sort of expected
Speaker 2: this to happen, but at the same time, I don't
Speaker 2: think that all of the all the worries about Drake May,
Speaker 2: I don't think are necessarily where I'm at with it
Speaker 2: with him. I think the biggest thing is just to
Speaker 2: kind of spell it out. This offense that they're running
Speaker 2: with Alex Van Pelt reminds me and and really the
Speaker 2: bones of their passing game have pretty much lined up
Speaker 2: exactly to Mike McCarthy's offense, and that's obviously where Van
Speaker 2: Pelt learned it from in gam Bay. They are a
Speaker 2: West Coast offense. They are a timing based passing game.
Speaker 2: Now they have the under center stuff to play action stuff,
Speaker 2: the boots and all that kind of stuff, but I'm
Speaker 2: talking about when it's third and six. You know, when
Speaker 2: they're in the gun, they're in they're passing the football
Speaker 2: for real. They are a timing and rhythm based pass game.
Speaker 2: It's West Coast. It's you know, five step drop, three
Speaker 2: step drop, get the ball out. And that is something
Speaker 2: that we knew coming in with his footwork and with
Speaker 2: his rhythm and his drops, that Drake May was going
Speaker 2: to need to work on and the things that I
Speaker 2: saw from him earlier in the week, and it was
Speaker 2: it was better today, and I want to get to
Speaker 2: that the things that I was seeing from him earlier
Speaker 2: in the week were a quarterback that was still trying
Speaker 2: to time up everything and that wasn't necessarily seeing the
Speaker 2: field quickly enough or seeing it well enough. Because of
Speaker 2: the fact that this offense is very much a rhythm
Speaker 2: based offense. I think that that's why it's looked at
Speaker 2: times that Joe Milton has been ahead of him. It's
Speaker 2: also looked very clear to me that Jacoby Brissett is well.
Speaker 1: Jacoby Brissett's also so I think a lot of this
Speaker 1: has to do and look does it. Drake May struggled
Speaker 1: the last two days. He was better today and I
Speaker 1: don't want to take away from that, but I think
Speaker 1: some of this also has to do with compared to expectations.
Speaker 1: Joe Milton has been better than expected, Jacoby Brissett has
Speaker 1: been better than expected. Drake May has not done as
Speaker 1: well as expected. But the difference is, especially when it
Speaker 1: comes to May and Milton. Joe Milton's bar was not
Speaker 1: nearly in the same place as Drake May's bond.
Speaker 2: It's a good point, and I also think when it.
Speaker 1: Comes to Brisset, you hear about the gap and people
Speaker 1: talk about the gap between May and Bursett and it
Speaker 1: being bigger than we expected, and it is bigger than
Speaker 1: we expect, but that's not just because of Drake May.
Speaker 1: I would argue that's more because of Jacoby Burssett in
Speaker 1: him exceeding exceeding expectations than it is where Drake May
Speaker 1: is at. So it's just kind of this perfect storm
Speaker 1: of Joe Milton hasn't been better than Drake May. I
Speaker 1: don't think when you factor in the reps he's getting
Speaker 1: who he's going with, et cetera, etc. All that, But
Speaker 1: Joe Milton compared to his expectations does look more impressive
Speaker 1: than Drake May compared to his. If you flip them,
Speaker 1: we'd be panicking about Joe Milton right now and we'd
Speaker 1: be saying Drake May is holding his own.
Speaker 2: So, oh yeah, it's a different they at a different bar, right.
Speaker 1: There's there's context there when you say Joe Milton has
Speaker 1: been better than Drake May. There is a context in
Speaker 1: which that's true. I just don't think it's the context
Speaker 1: that's relevant from a football standpoint.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would also say that there to me, just
Speaker 2: charting some of the plays that they ran for both guys.
Speaker 2: I do see a little bit of a difference in
Speaker 2: the plays that they're.
Speaker 1: Asking when I'm talking about like the kind of reps.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, they haven't put Joe Milton under
Speaker 2: center nearly as much as they've done with Drake. Drake
Speaker 2: may to me, is running the full gamut of the
Speaker 2: Alex Van Pelt offense, and they're going to see instead
Speaker 2: of instead of adding if they decide to start Drake Mayo,
Speaker 2: or at what point they do decide to start Drake
Speaker 2: may this year, there, I believe are going to They're
Speaker 2: going to subtract from this point. So they threw it
Speaker 2: all at him and to see what sticks. And then
Speaker 2: let's say, come week one against the Bengals, for whatever reason,
Speaker 2: whether he outplays, perset is not available, whatever, they have
Speaker 2: to play him in Week one against the Bengals, You're
Speaker 2: probably going to get a stripped down version of what
Speaker 2: their whole the birth of their offense actually is. Right,
Speaker 2: and then they would only call they'd have a script
Speaker 2: where they would only call plays, you know, the fifteen
Speaker 2: to twenty plays that he feels comfortable running at this point,
Speaker 2: instead of giving him the full gamut. Whereas with with
Speaker 2: Joe Milton, I've seen a lot more of the type
Speaker 2: of stuff he was more doing a Tennessee like spread rpo,
Speaker 2: you know that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: You think we see the wide splits in a preseason game.
Speaker 2: No, but you brought up the preseason. I think that's important.
Speaker 2: I'm sure Drake May will play it in the preseason,
Speaker 2: but I should. But my guess is that in order
Speaker 2: to have Joe Milton succeed in the preseason, this is
Speaker 2: how they're gonna call it. Right, They're gonna call it
Speaker 2: with a little bit more gun, a little bit more rpo,
Speaker 2: a little bit more Tennessee style college style, whereas they
Speaker 2: really want Drake May operating their full game into their
Speaker 2: pro style system. So it's a little bit different. It's
Speaker 2: not apples to apples in terms of what they're being
Speaker 2: asked to do, who they're playing with, all those kinds
Speaker 2: of things. But it is fair to say that Drake
Speaker 2: has I want to I want to say disappointing, like underwhelming, disappointing,
Speaker 2: like those are the kind of the words I'm thinking,
Speaker 2: because it's not been terrible, and I do think it's
Speaker 2: important to say that he's been better today or he
Speaker 2: will well. Just to that point.
Speaker 1: I think some of it is how you phrase again,
Speaker 1: like how you phrase it, because I've heard behind schedule
Speaker 1: used a lot. Yeah, if we're talking about and I
Speaker 1: know you want this, yes, but if we're talking about
Speaker 1: week one and him starting week one, yes, Drake May
Speaker 1: is behind schedule. If the plan is for him to
Speaker 1: be the starter week one, he's behind schedule. But the
Speaker 1: reality is it's probably not the plan, and you can
Speaker 1: argue it shouldn't be. If the plan is for him
Speaker 1: to take over at some point during the season, he's
Speaker 1: Bowery should be like, it's a learning process, right, and
Speaker 1: so it I feel like a lot of people are
Speaker 1: disappointed because they heard you and others like you gassing
Speaker 1: up week one. It's on the table. He should be
Speaker 1: the guy. I don't want to waste time with Jakobe Brissette.
Speaker 2: You're not alone in this.
Speaker 1: I'm using you as an example. I know Jim Murray's
Speaker 1: been big on this too.
Speaker 2: I'll take responsibility for this, but I will so when
Speaker 2: you hear that, I got a little over zealous when
Speaker 2: you yeah, so you saying the whole thing about oh well,
Speaker 2: with Joe Milton, they're they're just gonna see the shiny toy.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be proper for trick. Mate, You're not innocent
Speaker 2: in all this when you wasn't wrong about them seeing
Speaker 2: the shiny toy with Joe Milton.
Speaker 1: By the way, Okay, but you fed the fire because
Speaker 1: I was right when you set the expectation for week one. Then, yeah,
Speaker 1: you look at the performance he's had the last few
Speaker 1: days and you say he's not gonna be ready. He's
Speaker 1: probably not gonna be ready for week one. He's playing
Speaker 1: catch up at this point in order to be ready
Speaker 1: for week one. When you look at it and say,
Speaker 1: all right, can he get in there by the end
Speaker 1: of October? Yeah, that's still very much on the table.
Speaker 1: That timeline hasn't necessarily been knocked loose or anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I think that's where some of the panic comes from.
Speaker 1: Two people just working on an unrealistic timeline.
Speaker 2: So can I push back a little bit on the
Speaker 2: panic word? Yeah, not I ate you specifically, but just
Speaker 2: if it's like this in two weeks, I won't be panicked,
Speaker 2: but I will definitely have my foot on the brake
Speaker 2: pedal right and say, all right, we gotta be realistic
Speaker 2: about this. He's not close. He's gonna have to sit.
Speaker 2: So you're still not rolling out week one, No, because
Speaker 2: I still feel like a lot can change because days
Speaker 2: are it's not develops, not ear velue.
Speaker 1: You want the mac Jones giants practice. That's what you're
Speaker 1: holding out hope for, is the mac Jones giants.
Speaker 2: I guess holding out. You can say I'm holding out
Speaker 2: hope for it, but the reality is that could like
Speaker 2: that's very much in play, and it's just one day today,
Speaker 2: but we already saw him make some incremental improvements today.
Speaker 2: You know today he he checks into a into a blitzer,
Speaker 2: you know cover zero beater, gets them into a perimeter screen,
Speaker 2: gets tapped up by Jacoby Jacoby Marrish, Jacoby Brissett afterwards
Speaker 2: with yeah, he hits the you know, they get a
Speaker 2: under center and he hits the the corner route to
Speaker 2: Mitchell Wilcox off play action, which is a it's a
Speaker 2: flood concept, you know, vertical clear out, corner route fills
Speaker 2: in underneath it. I could pull up cutups off my
Speaker 2: laptop of him doing it at North Carolina. I probably
Speaker 2: have twenty of them, right, Like, that was a throw
Speaker 2: that he loved to throw at North Carolina, especially going
Speaker 2: into the field like like off the on the far hash,
Speaker 2: because he has all this space to just kind of
Speaker 2: layer the ball into a very good throw for him
Speaker 2: that he loves throwing. In sevens, he hits you know,
Speaker 2: Michael Petaway coming across the field on a nice throat.
Speaker 2: Did I say pet Away again?
Speaker 1: Ye?
Speaker 2: Petway coming across the field. I'm not a big sevens guy.
Speaker 2: I don't really care too much about what he does
Speaker 2: in sevens, but it helps my argument absolutely.
Speaker 1: But we do.
Speaker 2: You're seeing these little incremental improvements. Now. If he comes
Speaker 2: out tomorrow and it's just this he saw this rookie
Speaker 2: roller coaster and he bombs tomorrow, then I'll go back
Speaker 2: to saying, all right, let's put our foot on the
Speaker 2: on the brake pedal. But even though we're not I
Speaker 2: think it's fair to say we're not early anymore. But
Speaker 2: we're still not done in terms of training camp, and
Speaker 2: it's all building up in my mind to the preseason
Speaker 2: game and into the joint practice with the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 2: Two those games in the joint practice, which we'll see
Speaker 2: plenty of Drake may in those are gonna determine whether
Speaker 2: or not he's truly ready to start early. It's not
Speaker 2: gonna be these practices that we're watching right now when
Speaker 2: they're laying base stuff and they're laying foundation and all
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. The last thing I'll say about it,
Speaker 2: and he almost did it today and I almost jumped
Speaker 2: out of my seat. And then he pulled it down
Speaker 2: and ran with it, and I was it was killing me.
Speaker 2: It's like, let it go. He was rolling to his right.
Speaker 2: Ye had Juju Smith Schuster downfield with in single coverage,
Speaker 2: no safety. The safety was on the other side of
Speaker 2: the field, and he's rolling to his right. In his head,
Speaker 2: I knew he was thinking of launching it off platform
Speaker 2: right like true tar heels style, you know, just one
Speaker 2: of those Josh Allen Patrick Mahomes off platform throws that
Speaker 2: we know are in his bag. And he tucked it
Speaker 2: and ran with it. And I don't know if that
Speaker 2: was because it's a drill and that wasn't the progression
Speaker 2: and YadA YadA, YadA, or what the reason was behind it.
Speaker 2: But when they get into the preseason games, I'm allowing
Speaker 2: for the fact that it might look like he's a
Speaker 2: rookie and he's not ready, but I'm also allowing for
Speaker 2: the fact that some of that playground football stuff, some
Speaker 2: of that just being an athlete and going out there
Speaker 2: and slinging it, that might come into play a little
Speaker 2: bit more when we get into the actual games than
Speaker 2: what they're doing here in practice. So to go back
Speaker 2: to the West Coast offense thing, they're running a timing
Speaker 2: based West Coast offense where they're asking Drake May to
Speaker 2: execute these plays in structure like they want this to
Speaker 2: get how it's drawn up in the playbook. Here's your
Speaker 2: five or seven step drop, here's your progression, read one, two,
Speaker 2: three and out right like that's what they're looking at
Speaker 2: right now from Drake May. Where I feel like as
Speaker 2: a quarterback, that was gonna be a work in progress
Speaker 2: for him. Footwork, timing, rhythm, anticipation, like those types of
Speaker 2: things were not gonna come to him overnight. That was
Speaker 2: gonna be a repetition in a build up. So in
Speaker 2: two weeks, if we get to the point where Drake
Speaker 2: May is still looking like he looked earlier this week,
Speaker 2: I will say I will come on this show and
Speaker 2: I look at you and obvious say I was wrong.
Speaker 2: I was too over zealous. I got too excited. Right
Speaker 2: right now, I'm still holding out hope. I still feel
Speaker 2: like that this could still like that light could just
Speaker 2: kind of switch on for him and we could be
Speaker 2: looking at a different player in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: But you're right, the stuff that I was saying before,
Speaker 2: I'm looking wrong right now about him being able to
Speaker 2: start Week one. But I also think that Jacoby Brissett
Speaker 2: deserves some credit for that. Absolutely, what have you seen
Speaker 2: from Jacoby Brissett? Might as well put that out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's nothing flashy. I don't think he's
Speaker 1: gonna come out and win MVP. I don't think he's
Speaker 1: gonna come out and throw for five thousand yards. But
Speaker 1: and maybe this is just having watched this offense the
Speaker 1: last two years and where the bar is. He gets
Speaker 1: him in out of the huddle, he gets him up
Speaker 1: and down the field, and let's I mean, there's a
Speaker 1: bunch of different conversation here, right. We can talk about
Speaker 1: the offensive line, the top offensive line, and they changed
Speaker 1: it today, but before today, they had a consistent group. Yeah,
Speaker 1: per set ahead time, he was making the right reads.
Speaker 1: He was delivering the football like it was functional, and
Speaker 1: again shouldn't be that high of a bar. It is
Speaker 1: a high bar, but it is a functional.
Speaker 2: Professional operation.
Speaker 1: And there were a couple of throws there he made
Speaker 1: that You're like, oh, okay, I didn't realize.
Speaker 2: He had that, especially that was the first day in pads. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he threw the one to Baker and Thornton within like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, a sequence of like five or six reps.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he dropped them in the bucket of Thornton and
Speaker 1: then he made a throw to Baker. Like, he can
Speaker 1: do some of that off platform, off schedule stuff too.
Speaker 1: Let's not act like he's a statue in the pocket, right, So.
Speaker 2: He's not a runner, but he's definitely someone that can
Speaker 2: move around.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna run, he's not gonna scramble, but he
Speaker 1: can throw on the run and he can throw off
Speaker 1: platform when he needs to.
Speaker 2: And he's done some of that.
Speaker 1: Again, I'm not saying he's out here looking like Patrick Mahomes,
Speaker 1: but he's that word expectations again from what I was expecting.
Speaker 2: He's it's one level above that. He's Look, the guy's.
Speaker 1: One of the thirty two best quarterbacks in the NFL.
Speaker 1: I feel like he gets talked about as a washout. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a starting caliber quarterback. Now, he's not necessarily at
Speaker 1: the caliber where he's not a franchise quarterback. He's not
Speaker 1: a guy where he's your starter, you're locking him in
Speaker 1: and set it and forget it. Right, But again, he
Speaker 1: is a I would say he's a top twenty starting
Speaker 1: quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 2: It might be like nineteen twenty, yeah, but maybe I
Speaker 2: mean like in Cleveland in twenty two. And I know
Speaker 2: everybody points that that is not anti perset, but just
Speaker 2: on the other side points to his record in Cleveland.
Speaker 2: So he started eleven games, I think there are four
Speaker 2: and seven. The record in Cleveland counts. It's Cleveland. Okay, well,
Speaker 2: you know they're good last year.
Speaker 1: But besides the point, right, yeah, the one year they
Speaker 1: don't have any quarterbacks, they're good.
Speaker 2: That's just classic Browns. Statistically speaking, he was decent with
Speaker 2: the Browns two years ago in this offense. And the
Speaker 2: one thing with Brissett that is definitely there. In that
Speaker 2: season with Cleveland in twenty two, he was tenth in
Speaker 2: the league in big time throw rate. Like this guy
Speaker 2: can make some of those franchise quarterback throws. Now, is
Speaker 2: it consistent on a Mahomes level or is it the
Speaker 2: other elements of his game? Are they consistent? Not necessarily,
Speaker 2: and that's probably why the record reflects that he's not,
Speaker 2: you know, this franchise guy. But he was up there
Speaker 2: in the league that year in the amount of impressive
Speaker 2: you know, with PFF calls him big time throws, you
Speaker 2: want to call them franchise quarterback throws, wow throws, whatever,
Speaker 2: those types of throws that were like he made the
Speaker 2: other day with you know, the dropping in the bucket
Speaker 2: and Taekwon's a great throw. You know, the laser to
Speaker 2: Javon Baker and against cover two in the whole good throw. Like,
Speaker 2: those are throws that we would I would log and
Speaker 2: PFF would log as Betts, those are big time throws. Now,
Speaker 2: he's had struggles with consistency and you know, playing four
Speaker 2: full quarters and like all that kind of stuff. But
Speaker 2: you know, just as an example, remember when the Browns
Speaker 2: and the Bills had to play that game in Detroit
Speaker 2: because if there's like some storm or something like that,
Speaker 2: regardless they played the game of Detroit. Go watch that
Speaker 2: film for Jacoby Brissett in twenty twenty two Brown's Bills.
Speaker 2: He's light in the world on fire in the first
Speaker 2: half of that game. Like, he looks like a legitimate
Speaker 2: quarterback in that game. And I'm not ruling that out
Speaker 2: this year, that he's gonna have moments that he could
Speaker 2: have moments like that. Will it result in wins and losses?
Speaker 2: I don't know, But I think he could have moments
Speaker 2: of those types of things and that could be enough
Speaker 2: to keep Drake May on the bench. And whether you
Speaker 2: want to call that a good thing or a bad
Speaker 2: thing is up to you. Like, in some ways, it's
Speaker 2: buying the Patriots time to allow Drake mel May to develop.
Speaker 2: Behind the scenes, you wish that Drake May would would
Speaker 2: take it right right, but we're not gonna be able
Speaker 2: to see that once camp ends and we're closed out
Speaker 2: of practice. So that's that's where we're at with the quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: I am still there's no way I'm coming off the
Speaker 2: Drake May train after seven practices in two I'm not
Speaker 2: expecting to come off the train. And I'm not either.
Speaker 2: I'm not either.
Speaker 1: Like I still like the pick. I still think he's
Speaker 1: the right guy. I still think he has a chance
Speaker 1: to be a true difference making quarterback in this league.
Speaker 1: I just don't think he's gonna be that week one
Speaker 1: of the twenty twenty four season. And that's perfectly okay.
Speaker 1: The worst thing you can do, the worst thing that
Speaker 1: could happen is he's not that guy for week one
Speaker 1: of the twenty twenty four season. Yet you put him
Speaker 1: out there and try to make him be that anyway
Speaker 1: before he's ready, because that's how you ruin a guy's
Speaker 1: confidence and you create bad habits.
Speaker 2: Okay, So let me ask you this though. Yeah, let's
Speaker 2: say they decide that they feel like organizationally, and they
Speaker 2: probably won't feel this way because Elliott comes from the
Speaker 2: Green Bay Packers and that whole school thought of you know,
Speaker 2: Aaron Rogers and Jordan Love and like these guys that
Speaker 2: have sat right, So I don't think that this is
Speaker 2: how they're gonna view it. But just for the sake
Speaker 2: of the argument or the discussion, let's say they feel
Speaker 2: like it's better for him to learn on the job.
Speaker 2: That's the issues that he has are only gonna be
Speaker 2: fixed with game reps, right, and only be fixed with playing.
Speaker 2: So it's better for him to learn on the job.
Speaker 2: But we're gonna have to pare down the playbook and
Speaker 2: not necessarily that they're only gonna have him throwing five
Speaker 2: yard passes. I'm just saying, we're gonna have to manage
Speaker 2: this right what he's doing, and a lot of that
Speaker 2: could be a lot of play action right like that
Speaker 2: always helps for quarterbacks and bootlegs. They are getting him
Speaker 2: outside the pocket, which will help you know you now
Speaker 2: you're only reading one side on the field instead of
Speaker 2: these full field progressions, like all these little things that
Speaker 2: they could do to pare down the playbook to the
Speaker 2: point where they're not asking him to carry the world
Speaker 2: on his shoulders. Would you be against that line of thought?
Speaker 1: Yes, And maybe some of this is just the way
Speaker 1: you put it, maybe some, But you're talking about learning
Speaker 1: on the job, right, So that implies he's not ready.
Speaker 1: That implies there's a chance that even doing this is
Speaker 1: not going to be enough. I've said this since the beginning.
Speaker 1: This is my biggest take on Drake May and when
Speaker 1: he should start. You cannot, under any circumstance short of
Speaker 1: major injury, pull him once.
Speaker 2: He is your starter. He is your starter.
Speaker 1: You cannot get to week three and realize, oh crap,
Speaker 1: he's not ready and go back to Jacoby Brissett that
Speaker 1: is the most destabilizing thing you can do for the organization.
Speaker 1: So if you're doing that because you feel he will be,
Speaker 1: not can be, will be competitive in that setting, you
Speaker 1: could sell me on it. If you're doing that because well,
Speaker 1: this is the only way we're going to get him
Speaker 1: on the field, then no, because that means he's not
Speaker 1: ready to be on the field and you can't put
Speaker 1: him out there and then realize we've made a terrible mistake.
Speaker 1: He's not ready because you can't bench him. So that
Speaker 1: would scare me a little bit. Yes, Okay, that's fair enough.
Speaker 2: I just feel like, to me, all the things that
Speaker 2: I've seen him have some trouble with in these practices,
Speaker 2: or all the things that we talked about pre draft
Speaker 2: or some of his yet none of this is a surprise,
Speaker 2: by the way, right, That's what I'm getting at is
Speaker 2: that that's why I'm not panicking, Not because A you
Speaker 2: shouldn't panic after seven freaking practices, people like it's calm down.
Speaker 2: But B the other reason why I'm not panicking is
Speaker 2: because we knew that operating in structure, rhythm, footwork, timing, anticipation,
Speaker 2: all these types of boxes were all the things that
Speaker 2: he needed to work on from the college game. Like
Speaker 2: if you thought that he was gonna come in and
Speaker 2: he was gonna, you know, be this efficient quarterback right
Speaker 2: off the jump, then that's not the guy that they drafted.
Speaker 2: Like we knew that. We knew that. So I wonder
Speaker 2: if there is a school of thought that says that
Speaker 2: the only way that he's gonna learn or only way
Speaker 2: that they're going to train him up in those areas
Speaker 2: is playing. And at that point, then you have to
Speaker 2: figure out a way to get him on the field
Speaker 2: on Sundays not shatter his confidence completely, which would mean
Speaker 2: probably going in with a pair of down playbook. But
Speaker 2: at that point, just don't just wait, But how is
Speaker 2: he going to get the reps? Because you're if you're
Speaker 2: getting Jacolia Bussette ready to play the game, right, he's
Speaker 2: gonna have to get the reps in practice. You might
Speaker 2: be able to get some reps for Drake may in
Speaker 2: practice mental reps. They've they've hyped up that VR thing
Speaker 2: like you're gonna be in the VR headset. I would
Speaker 2: also I would be giving him more reps with the
Speaker 2: starters now for that exact reason. Yeah, I would. I
Speaker 2: think we all would love to see that.
Speaker 1: And and Mayo said today is gonna happen. He didn't
Speaker 1: say win, but he did say it's gonna happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we would all love to see that. All right,
Speaker 2: let's let's take some of these phone calls and then
Speaker 2: we'll do our three up, three down. And we got
Speaker 2: some emails as well. So Aiden is in brighton what's up? Aiden? Hey? Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're on What's up?
Speaker 1: Hey?
Speaker 3: I love the show, guys, thanks the much. Just shout
Speaker 3: out nerds everywhere. But really quick, I wanted to ask
Speaker 3: about one of the best players on defense.
Speaker 4: Kyle Dolger.
Speaker 3: I feel like around the league he's aired nationally the
Speaker 3: most cred warrant and I personally want him to move
Speaker 3: the middle linebacker. I think for three reasons. One, I
Speaker 3: think get your best player closer to the ball and
Speaker 3: make more plays. Two, he has this kind of like
Speaker 3: more of him and Ryan Sheet and you're kind of
Speaker 3: vibe that you want that I really like, And I
Speaker 3: think that it would even out the spacey room a
Speaker 3: lot better in terms of their skill sets matching up
Speaker 3: on the field, having Jalen Hawkins and more of a
Speaker 3: free safety role. So I just want to get your
Speaker 3: opinion on whether or not you could do it and
Speaker 3: how do you think that would fit with the defense?
Speaker 3: Thank Gus Love Show.
Speaker 2: Thanks Aden, thanks for the call. That's an interesting theory.
Speaker 2: I could see it in certain situations, like if you
Speaker 2: wanted to put him at the second level of the
Speaker 2: defense on a third and long or you know, a
Speaker 2: two minute or something like that, where he's like basically
Speaker 2: just playing coverage linebacker at that point. And you mentioned
Speaker 2: Fred Warners and all around demon but like maybe that
Speaker 2: that sort of element to Fred Warner's game on third
Speaker 2: and eight, he could play there and make it work
Speaker 2: as an every down linebacker. I think the biggest thing
Speaker 2: is that they would have to change how they play
Speaker 2: up front to have a two hundred and fifteen and
Speaker 2: twenty pound guy playing at the second level. And this
Speaker 2: is what we've always talked about with getting faster and
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. If you're gonna be like
Speaker 2: a spacating two gapping whatever you want to call it,
Speaker 2: odd front defense. That the reason why they have bigger backers,
Speaker 2: like to Vi Bentley, those players is because they have
Speaker 2: to play in a phone booth and take on guards,
Speaker 2: and take on lead blockers and take on guys in
Speaker 2: the trash in the trenches, and you're you're gonna get
Speaker 2: run over like a bowling pin if you're too small
Speaker 2: playing in that spot. So that that's a big reason
Speaker 2: why they they still deploy like a Bentley uh or
Speaker 2: even at Tavia when he's at the second level, is
Speaker 2: because their system asked them to take on mostly guards often,
Speaker 2: and you have to have some size obviously to do that.
Speaker 2: I also just would say, you know, to his point,
Speaker 2: almost the they're like box safety if you want to
Speaker 2: call it that, or their hybrid safety role has so
Speaker 2: much linebacker overlap that they're they're playing a ton of
Speaker 2: linebacker style reps playing in those spots that there. It's
Speaker 2: almost like it's it's almost we're almost arguing about nothing.
Speaker 2: Right Like here we're saying he needs to play linebacker.
Speaker 1: He's playing like a linebacker, whether he's in those positional
Speaker 1: meetings or not.
Speaker 2: That's how they're using him, right exactly, exactly, All right,
Speaker 2: Patty is an agua? What's up? Patty?
Speaker 4: What's hear me?
Speaker 1: Ye?
Speaker 2: How's it going?
Speaker 5: But so I just had a quick question for you.
Speaker 5: But first, Evan got to get your props on I
Speaker 5: am the Tiger and Alex the I watched, I watched
Speaker 5: the the show he did the other day with the crossover,
Speaker 5: the Killer Crossover from three different three different shows. It
Speaker 5: was awesome along with you and I just wanted to
Speaker 5: know if, now, now this is a crazy hypothetical, Cayden
Speaker 5: Wallace is your left tackle for the year and plays at.
Speaker 4: A Pro Bowl level.
Speaker 5: It doesn't make the Pro Bowl, but just plays at
Speaker 5: at a pretty high level. Do you go into next
Speaker 5: year's draft look in the draft, maybe you're you know,
Speaker 5: like a replacement for Judah off the edge of cornerback.
Speaker 5: Do you focus more on defense like trade down. Where
Speaker 5: do you go from there? Or do you still think
Speaker 5: that left tackle is that big of a priority even
Speaker 5: if you have a guy in house that's playing at
Speaker 5: a great level. And I'll take it off here, guys.
Speaker 2: Thanks Patty. That's a great question, Patty, great question for
Speaker 2: this show. So it's a great point. If Cayden Wallace,
Speaker 2: who I want to call it themotion because we don't know,
Speaker 2: but he was with the second team offense today after
Speaker 2: being with the first team offense earlier in the week.
Speaker 2: But I do like what I've seen out of Kiden Wallace,
Speaker 2: on the whole YEA and think he's he's on track
Speaker 2: right now to be a Day one starter for the
Speaker 2: Patriots at left tackle or right tackle, depending on where
Speaker 2: they settle, but probably left. So if Cayden Wallace ends
Speaker 2: up being I don't even necessarily think he needs to
Speaker 2: be probable level. Let's just say he starter level at tackle.
Speaker 2: And as a rookie, do you feel like we can
Speaker 2: move off of Will Campbell, Kelvin Banks or and move
Speaker 2: on to a different position.
Speaker 1: Let's not forget they have another tackle spot. That's a
Speaker 1: question too, and chokes a cor four is on a
Speaker 1: one year contract, and what's happening on the right side.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I would argue, and there's it's a hypothetical,
Speaker 1: and there's hypotheticals on hypotheticals here, there's layers. If Cayden
Speaker 1: Wallace is good at left tackle, I'd argue, he's probably
Speaker 1: gonna be great at right tackle. And then I would
Speaker 1: consider drafting Calvin Banks or Will Campbell and moving Caden
Speaker 1: Wallace to the right side, back at his natural position,
Speaker 1: And maybe he takes a jump on the right side,
Speaker 1: and now you're set set, Now you're golden up front.
Speaker 1: There is also though an argument to be made that, okay,
Speaker 1: you have a solid love tackle Judea on leaves. James
Speaker 1: Pierce Junior is the top edge rusher in this class
Speaker 1: from Tennessee.
Speaker 2: Quite a few good in defensive front guys.
Speaker 1: There, James Pierce Juniors unless he well, okay, So there's
Speaker 1: a couple of ways you go here. James Pierce Junior.
Speaker 1: Is you were talking edge traditional you know you said
Speaker 1: judn replacement. Yeah, James Pierce Junior is the guy in
Speaker 1: his class out of Tennessee.
Speaker 2: Do you go there?
Speaker 1: You could also go, okay, maybe you know has a
Speaker 1: good year. Maybe Keon White does. What's happening with Christian Barmore.
Speaker 1: There's a guy named Dion Walker from Kentucky. Now, Evan,
Speaker 1: you know how I feel about Jordan Davis. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to put anybody in the Jordan Davis category because
Speaker 1: I think he is a freaking unicorn. Yeah, but Dion
Speaker 1: Walker is one of those guys that you look at
Speaker 1: you say, how the hell are you moving that way
Speaker 1: at three hundred and thirty pounds. Guy's a freak true
Speaker 1: pass rush factor as a defensive tackle. If Barbour's medical
Speaker 1: condition is or maybe you just want two of those guys,
Speaker 1: because it would be it's not a fun Dean Walker.
Speaker 1: You could also go the route of Christian Gonzales hasn't
Speaker 1: had a great camp. What if that whole thing ended
Speaker 1: up being fools gold Well, now we're talking about Will
Speaker 1: Johnson so or.
Speaker 2: Even just having a no fly zone with both of
Speaker 2: them out, or you could go that route, so like
Speaker 2: he definitely or can I throw a third another route
Speaker 2: out you real quick? I know we were talking defense,
Speaker 2: but like you could also go to the Luther Burden route. Well,
Speaker 2: so I'm gonna be really well.
Speaker 1: I hope we get to do sort of a college
Speaker 1: football draft previewers thing at some point. Luthor Burden Tech
Speaker 1: McMillan is going to be a really interesting debate between
Speaker 1: Patriots fans this year because Luthor Burden is probably a
Speaker 1: slightly better player. It's so tough because Tech McMillan is
Speaker 1: so young and I'm I don't want to say anything
Speaker 1: definitive about him yet, but assuming he continues on the
Speaker 1: path we think he's gonna go on, you get into
Speaker 1: this debate of building a football team. Tech McMillan's probably
Speaker 1: the better option because he gives you something you don't
Speaker 1: have you already. He's the puer x right, Luthor Burden,
Speaker 1: and some of that is Javon Baker. Again, there's so
Speaker 1: much we don't know. Luther Burden is gonna be very
Speaker 1: redundant with a guy like Pop Douglas, who's probably your
Speaker 1: best receiver. But do you just say, Efitt, We'll figure
Speaker 1: out a way to make it work. Like, let's get
Speaker 1: all the talent in here. So there's a ton of
Speaker 1: I think we just mentioned everybody. I mean, I guess
Speaker 1: the one guy we didn't talk about is Travis Hunter,
Speaker 1: but you can put him in the corner conversation with
Speaker 1: Will Johnson. I don't think he's gonna be a receiver
Speaker 1: at the NFL level, at least not regularly. Like it
Speaker 1: definitely frees up more ways to go. But to go
Speaker 1: back to the original question, there will be a case
Speaker 1: to be made and we have to see how all
Speaker 1: this other stuff plays out. But just in a bubble, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Kean Wallace is pretty good at left tackle, Well what
Speaker 1: if he's great at right? And you add Will Campbell
Speaker 1: and now you're talking about potentially building towards one of
Speaker 1: the better tackle tackle combos in the NFL. In a
Speaker 1: league where there are not enough tackles to go around.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I will always be in the school thought of
Speaker 2: reinforcing the offensive line. You know that I will raft
Speaker 2: as many offensive linemen as they need to until they
Speaker 2: have five guys that can play.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 2: I also would say that if this is let's say
Speaker 2: it's a good year. Yeah, necessarily wins and losses, Like,
Speaker 2: we're not getting all caught up in that yet, but
Speaker 2: let's just say it's a step forward. It's a progress here.
Speaker 2: It's that foundational year that Jarrod Mayo is talking about.
Speaker 2: That probably means that Alex Van Pelta, you feel pretty
Speaker 2: good about that system, that coach reinforcing the offensive line
Speaker 2: even further and drafting another tackle to build off of
Speaker 2: this system. You know, in Cleveland they had Jedrick Wills
Speaker 2: and Jack Conklin for years. I had both tackle spots,
Speaker 2: and I had two of the best tackles and one
Speaker 2: of the best offensive lines in football, and that was
Speaker 2: the bedrock of their offense.
Speaker 1: The other thing, I mean, if we want to play
Speaker 1: this out, maybe kan Wallace is good at left tackle
Speaker 1: and you're happy there. Again, Chuck's on a one year deal.
Speaker 1: If Kane Wallace is good. Like you said, things go well, well,
Speaker 1: maybe they're not going to have that top ten pick.
Speaker 1: Maybe they're at like eleven, twelve, somewhere in that range.
Speaker 1: Now we start talking about Emery Jones, who's the right
Speaker 1: tackle at EL. We've talked a lot about Will Campbell
Speaker 1: and Kelvin Banks because they are the two best left
Speaker 1: tackles in this class and there's a significant.
Speaker 2: Drop off after that.
Speaker 1: But there are other two other first round tackles, Emery
Speaker 1: Jones from LSU and Tyler Booker from Alabama. But those
Speaker 1: guys play on the right side. This show's pretty set
Speaker 1: in how we feel about moving tackles back and forth. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but maybe look at and say, all right, Caden Wallace
Speaker 1: is our left tackle. Let's see if we can upgrade
Speaker 1: chokes the corps for and.
Speaker 2: Had a guy like Emery Jones. Yeah, it's an exciting
Speaker 2: proposition to just the Candon Wallace thing in general. And
Speaker 2: I know I mentioned that he was with the Twoes
Speaker 2: today and maybe that that I had him on my
Speaker 2: ups and I kind of took him off because I'm
Speaker 2: not sure maybe they are seeing something that I am
Speaker 2: not right. I am not a coach, and I don't
Speaker 2: have the luxury of watching the practice film back. So
Speaker 2: maybe a couple of times I've caught him at the
Speaker 2: corner of the eye that I thought he's looked good.
Speaker 2: They actually have watched the film back and it hasn't
Speaker 2: been as good. I'm allowing for that. So we'll see
Speaker 2: what it is tomorrow when they are back in pads,
Speaker 2: and see what it looks like in a couple of
Speaker 2: weeks and all that kind of stuff as well.
Speaker 1: So again to sum it up, yes, we're both tackles.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: Still we both saying tackle, but to something we just said.
Speaker 1: There's like eight or nine players on the roster that
Speaker 1: are gonna dictate their biggest draft need, and depending on
Speaker 1: what happens, about half of the first round is in play.
Speaker 1: Here's what I can't tell you definitively, Evan, let me
Speaker 1: just get there. There's one thing I can tell you
Speaker 1: definitively about what the Patriots plan should be in the
Speaker 1: first round as we sit here right now. Carson Beck
Speaker 1: not a part of the plan. Shular Sanders not a
Speaker 1: part of the plan. Anybody else We can have the conversation.
Speaker 1: There's guys I prefer to others, but at this point,
Speaker 1: you can write those two off anybody else where.
Speaker 2: We're in business. I'm gonna like, Luther Burden, you're gonna
Speaker 2: love so give me, like give me some like a
Speaker 2: comp like I know that those are tough, but like
Speaker 2: give me because the way you described to me, yeah,
Speaker 2: Luther Burden, the way that I think. The guy that
Speaker 2: immediately comes to mind is Jayleen Waddle. He's a little smaller. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's listed at five eleven two o eight. I don't
Speaker 2: know about that.
Speaker 1: He's going to be another one of these guys that
Speaker 1: it's gonna be. We'll see at the combine. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean like he's ideally if he shows out. I think
Speaker 1: he's kind of in the mold of this year. Xavier Worthy, Like.
Speaker 2: He's explosive, but he's a little bit soccer it's weird
Speaker 2: like meteor, you know, like not he's not gonna like Yeah,
Speaker 2: Davire Worthy has a pretty gangly frame.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not that small. Luther Burn's weird to me. Missouri.
Speaker 1: I'm interested to see you watch Missouri's offense, yeah, because
Speaker 1: you wouldn't have watched them a ton this year.
Speaker 2: Jay Von Foster was the one man watching the line play,
Speaker 2: which is I'm not looking right.
Speaker 1: So, like he's listed at five eleven to two o eight.
Speaker 1: I take the under on that by a ton. He
Speaker 1: plays much bigger than he is, but some of it
Speaker 1: is Missouri uses him not exclusively, but he plays a
Speaker 1: lot as a boundary as an X guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's probably not going to be that at
Speaker 2: the NFL. So you're to me, you're saying a little
Speaker 2: bit bigger xaviy're Worthy, that is probably gonna move more
Speaker 2: inside of the NFL. Like I feel like you're describing
Speaker 2: Jalen No, not I I how much did Jalen Wattle
Speaker 2: play at the X at Alabama? A decent amount, I guess.
Speaker 1: Let me put it this way, he's like somewhere between
Speaker 1: Jalen Wattle and DeVante Smith. Actually that's a good Okay,
Speaker 1: those Alabama receivers were like, I wouldn't put.
Speaker 2: Him square my favorite receiver, right, No, Like you're gonna.
Speaker 1: Like him like he's he's explosive, he's shifty, he's a
Speaker 1: good route runner, he's good with the ball in his hands,
Speaker 1: like he checks all those boxes. He's just whether it's
Speaker 1: Xavier Worthy, whether it's Zay Flowers, whether it's Jalen Wada
Speaker 1: whether it's DeVante Smith. His college usage doesn't come near
Speaker 1: those guys. His college usage is very unique, which I
Speaker 1: think there's gonna be a lot of debate on him
Speaker 1: because he's going to be a case of what you
Speaker 1: see in terms of what you see present versus how.
Speaker 2: You see the potential.
Speaker 1: And if Tech McMillan breaks out, if Tech McMillan has
Speaker 1: the breakout year, that's gonna be a definitive guy six '
Speaker 1: five but strong receiver.
Speaker 2: True x So Tech McMillan. I know you hate I
Speaker 2: know you don't.
Speaker 1: Ceiling ceiling ceiling, Yeah, as we like to say, does Bryant,
Speaker 1: does Bryant, You're gonna hear a lot of I know
Speaker 1: you don't want to do it. You're gonna hear a
Speaker 1: lot of people talk about Mike Evans because he's good
Speaker 1: with the ball in his hands too.
Speaker 2: But I think the world of Des Bryant. Yeah, Mike
Speaker 2: Evans is Mike. Like Mike Evans a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1: So you well, you said ceiling ceiling, ceiling, ceiling ceiling, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Right, but but he is not dominating like Mike Evans was.
Speaker 1: The l it's but it's tough because he it Arizona's
Speaker 1: not built like that. He made Johnny Manziel look like,
Speaker 1: don't know he did.
Speaker 2: He made Johnny Manzel like the first Mike Evans should
Speaker 2: have won the Heisman.
Speaker 1: Yes, he should know you're Upoe, but but the point is, like,
Speaker 1: people are gonna see a big, physical receiver who has
Speaker 1: if if he and again he's so young, he's I
Speaker 1: think he's a true junior. Yeah, he's so young, so
Speaker 1: it's tough to say. But like you're gonna see a
Speaker 1: guy at six five who moves like he's six to
Speaker 1: one in a good way, but can play like he's
Speaker 1: six Those are the flashes that are on tape, and
Speaker 1: we are such a long way away, especially from a
Speaker 1: guy that's now we're.
Speaker 2: In the middle of training camp and we're talking draft.
Speaker 2: Let's let's the point.
Speaker 1: If he has the season people think he's gonna have,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be up there. There's gonna be a lot
Speaker 1: of people saying he's like, the path is gonna be
Speaker 1: clearer with him to NFL success than it will be
Speaker 1: to Luther Burden. I think Luther Burton ultimately has a
Speaker 1: higher ceiling. As I taught, throw Mike Evans out there,
Speaker 1: like I that's what people are gonna say. I think
Speaker 1: Luther Burton has a higher ceiling, but you're gonna see
Speaker 1: people saying tech McMillan. Is they plug and play day
Speaker 1: one wide receiver, one easy answer, whereas with Luther Burden
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a little bit more work to get
Speaker 1: in there.
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Speaker 2: the New England Patriots. I was multitasking in my work
Speaker 2: from home space yesterday, uh doing some stuff, yeah, Patriots stuff,
Speaker 2: and watching Team USA basketball at the same time. It
Speaker 2: was fantastic and the Red Sox were on right afterwards.
Speaker 2: It was a great day, good day off. Let's do
Speaker 2: three up, three down for training camp. Through seven days
Speaker 2: of training camp, I should say, and I want to
Speaker 2: start with ups. We'll start with the positive or positive show.
Speaker 2: All right, my number one up for training camp? You
Speaker 2: ready for this? I did? I did it kind of.
Speaker 2: I kind of did a you and like went like
Speaker 2: a little outside the box with this. Okay, my number
Speaker 2: one up for training camp, Scott freaking Peters. Do an applause,
Speaker 2: do a standing o forum, Thank you, strike systems, oh technique,
Speaker 2: all of it, all of it. Taylor Coles, We're one
Speaker 2: week into training camp in this offensive line already looks
Speaker 2: better than it has the last two years, simply because
Speaker 2: they have an offensive line coach that seems like he
Speaker 2: knows how to do the damn thing right. And I
Speaker 2: am thrilled about that. The strike system thing, I got
Speaker 2: a little you know, like that's not here nor there.
Speaker 2: Maybe a little overrated, but I have seen more competent
Speaker 2: offensive line play and those two padded practices at the
Speaker 2: beginning of the week than I saw at combined probably
Speaker 2: in the last two training camps for the Patriots. There
Speaker 2: was actual time in the pocket for Jacobe Brissett to
Speaker 2: like survey the field and make throws down the field.
Speaker 2: When's the last time we've seen that at a in
Speaker 2: a regular basis. It's been a minute. They actually, on
Speaker 2: the day one of pads, they broke off not one,
Speaker 2: not two, but three successful outside zone runs on day
Speaker 2: one of pads in a new system where they they
Speaker 2: haven't really been blocking outside zone and all this stuff
Speaker 2: that I talked about that I was concerned that they
Speaker 2: weren't in a fit. They They've looked pretty good blocking
Speaker 2: outside zone so far. I think he knows what he's doing.
Speaker 2: I think he's doing a solid job. And just to
Speaker 2: give some credit to the players as well, I think
Speaker 2: all those guys have marginally improved since the start of
Speaker 2: camp and you can see it, like cityso looks like
Speaker 2: a much better pass protector in year two than he
Speaker 2: did in year one. And a lot of things that
Speaker 2: he talked about. I know that we're joking about the
Speaker 2: strike system, but he's actually talking a lot about independent
Speaker 2: hands and you know, not throw when you don't When
Speaker 2: you don't throw both hands at the same time, what
Speaker 2: happens when you throw like a two hand punch. It
Speaker 2: can work if you hit, but if you don't hit,
Speaker 2: you end up getting off balance and you're now lunging
Speaker 2: forward and that's when guys, you know, can you know,
Speaker 2: swat and go around you and stuff like that. So
Speaker 2: what Scott Peters preaches is a lot of independent hand
Speaker 2: usage right where it's just the left or just the
Speaker 2: right and you sit back in your chair and you
Speaker 2: kind of absorb at that point. City so has looked
Speaker 2: a lot better. Caden Wallace I think is making really
Speaker 2: positive strides, good progress. Leyden Robinson has looked decent for
Speaker 2: a rookie early on in training camp. They seem to
Speaker 2: have solidified this interior three of so andrews on Weni,
Speaker 2: which I love. I think that has a chance to
Speaker 2: be not just a good interior three, but like kind
Speaker 2: of a high level interior three. If City continues to
Speaker 2: make progress, you have a plus center, you have a
Speaker 2: plus guard, and then hopefully you have a starting caliber
Speaker 2: left guard in City. So I'm loving what I'm seeing
Speaker 2: so far from the line. Thank you. So like not
Speaker 2: watching a practice where it's an absolute train wreck up
Speaker 2: front is so refreshing. You know, for me, this is
Speaker 2: like pants off, Like this is just amazing. So really
Speaker 2: quickly to end this rant, there's a chance and I'm
Speaker 2: it's early, or it's not early, it's mid it's middle
Speaker 2: of training camp. There's a chance that those Cleveland guys
Speaker 2: just kind of know how to coach the line right.
Speaker 2: The system works for the line in terms of the
Speaker 2: schematics and the big picture concept. Scott Peters knows how
Speaker 2: to coach the technique. He's been in this offense. He
Speaker 2: knows what needs to be done to be successful. I
Speaker 2: think there's just a chance that they just are good
Speaker 2: at coaching up linemens.
Speaker 1: So we used to talk about this when people would ask,
Speaker 1: you know, what's going on with the Patriots and wide receivers,
Speaker 1: and we'd say, they're just not a wide receiver team,
Speaker 1: whether it's talent evaluation, identification development. And we contrast that
Speaker 1: with they are a corner team. They can find corners,
Speaker 1: they can go get an undrafted guy in tournament was
Speaker 1: starting caliber player right. Yeah, And there are teams that
Speaker 1: are different that just franchises that generally identify different positions differently.
Speaker 1: I would say Cleveland has for at least the last
Speaker 1: what five six years, been an offensive line team, and
Speaker 1: they would just any guy they added seemed to work out.
Speaker 1: They fantastic track record there, and you now have a
Speaker 1: piece of that here in Scott Peters and some of
Speaker 1: the other guys that are involved, and you hope that
Speaker 1: some of that rubs off. And I think maybe that's
Speaker 1: what you're seeing that. Whatever it was, that system in Cleveland,
Speaker 1: identification development, whatever, it's probably a combination of both. It
Speaker 1: worked and maybe now you're seeing that system in play here.
Speaker 2: So just really quickly to put a player on it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say, give me, like your most
Speaker 1: impressive offensive line's good lights out? Yeah, fantastic. I have
Speaker 1: him at seven to one and one and one on
Speaker 1: one drills right now.
Speaker 2: You would have at six o one yesterday. Didn't do
Speaker 2: anyone on there.
Speaker 1: So I missed the key on White Repka and I
Speaker 1: trust I trust Badard. He saw it with his own eyes.
Speaker 2: He told me.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, I didn't know if I
Speaker 1: missed him doing like non padded offensive line one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, I I trust him. I I must
Speaker 2: have missed it. I'm I don't know why. I you know,
Speaker 2: sometimes you don't see it happens. It's a lot going on. Yeah. So,
Speaker 2: and they were split into two groups while this was
Speaker 2: going on, so officially I'm going with seven to one
Speaker 2: and one. He's won his first six I think he
Speaker 2: won his first and then he tie had him down
Speaker 2: for a tie. Yeah, just a stalemate. You know, I
Speaker 2: kind of give tie, you know, when okay, you got
Speaker 2: I should go to the offense though. Yeah, but like
Speaker 2: if you get walked back a little bit into the
Speaker 2: quarterback and then anchor, like, I still kind of tend
Speaker 2: to give that as a tie, and then I and
Speaker 2: then I guess Kean White did beat him and I
Speaker 2: didn't see it. So seven to one and one, and
Speaker 2: in those wins, he's just like a man amongst boys,
Speaker 2: Like guys just can't get around him. Uh, he's just
Speaker 2: been stellar. So I would say Mike Onwen who would
Speaker 2: be the best so far? But the most promising is
Speaker 2: is definitely the rookies like, yeah, Kaden Wallace and Layden
Speaker 2: Robinson looking like they belonged this early in camp. Go
Speaker 2: get him, Scottie, good job.
Speaker 1: So I figured you to have the offensive line, so
Speaker 1: I kind of tried to work mine around yours. Maybe
Speaker 1: this is an overlap. Yeah, Covers Sett Yeah, we got
Speaker 1: alread talked about it, so we spent a lot of time.
Speaker 2: But Cover set's been good. Yeah, it's been really good.
Speaker 2: It's fair enough. I'm not surprised about what we're seeing
Speaker 2: from Jacoby Brissett. Like I said, I think a lot
Speaker 2: of people looked at the record in Cleveland in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty two, and whether you're into QB wins or you're
Speaker 2: not into QB wins, they have some merit of if
Speaker 2: this guy's good or not right, And I think a
Speaker 2: lot of people looked at the QB wins for Jacoby Brissett,
Speaker 2: not just in Cleveland, but also just throughout his career
Speaker 2: as a starter. He's made forty eight starts. His record's
Speaker 2: not great, and a lot of people just he sticks right,
Speaker 2: he's awful. But if you actually look at the stats,
Speaker 2: look at the film, Like if you take his eleven
Speaker 2: starts in Cleveland and stretch him out to seventeen games,
Speaker 2: he would have thrown for like four thousand yards in
Speaker 2: like twenty five touchdowns in Cleveland in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: So okay, hey guy, so we're doing that because then
Speaker 1: I tried to do this with Kendrick Born a year ago.
Speaker 2: I got yelled at by you. That's probably fair, all right.
Speaker 1: I'm just I don't mind you doing it, but now
Speaker 1: it supports my argum. Now it sports your argument, now mine, Okay,
Speaker 1: I understand.
Speaker 2: But he's not He's not terrible. Your guy Felger likes
Speaker 2: to say that he's terrible.
Speaker 1: Hooper Sett Yes, eg like all geeked up on Jacoby
Speaker 1: ver Set right now.
Speaker 2: No he no, he is. No, I was just not
Speaker 2: with them. No, I was just not with them. Fop
Speaker 2: like that. I will not allow for this. I will
Speaker 2: for this. He's all. He's because his whole thing is
Speaker 2: he wants them to win as many games. Yeriars. Possibly
Speaker 2: he was the one that wanted them to get justin
Speaker 2: Fields or Russell Wilson. I heard him.
Speaker 1: Well, so now his thing is his thing that like,
Speaker 1: all right, if Jakob sec can win you games, great,
Speaker 1: I get all right.
Speaker 2: He didn't think kover Set could win them games. He thought,
Speaker 2: he told He said as as early as like earlier
Speaker 2: this week when I was driving home and I was
Speaker 2: listening to them, and I do listen, so I'm not
Speaker 2: trying to like pick on them. But he said earlier
Speaker 2: this week that you know, his top tier was you know,
Speaker 2: the Kirk Cousins and stuff like he he said that
Speaker 2: he wanted to be the Atlanta Falcons, he would have
Speaker 2: signed Kirk Cousins and drafted it Drake May still, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then sat Drake May for a couple of years
Speaker 2: behind Kirk Well.
Speaker 1: So he I think what he likes now is again
Speaker 1: it was just on with them. Yeah, this all like
Speaker 1: not the pressures off Drake May. I don't want to
Speaker 1: put words his mouth. I'm trying to remember exactly what
Speaker 1: he's but basically like, Jacoby Brissette is going to give
Speaker 1: you a football season. Yes, and maybe they don't make
Speaker 1: the playoffs, but he likes the idea of Jacoby Brissett
Speaker 1: holds down the fort as long as he needs to
Speaker 1: hold down the fort because he's not as he's not
Speaker 1: as into Drake May. He just doesn't like rookie quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: It's not something he believes him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he fully believed.
Speaker 1: He's a Packers fan. Shocker if he needs to sit
Speaker 1: a year or two years, seventeen years later, right, he's
Speaker 1: all in on that model. So I think the idea
Speaker 1: that Jacoby Brissette can give you something for a year
Speaker 1: and the team can still be competitive. Maybe they don't
Speaker 1: make the playoffs, but the team can still be competitive.
Speaker 1: He's in right, He's in on that, so he's he's
Speaker 1: come around on Jacoby Pressette.
Speaker 2: Well, I actually think the way you laid it out
Speaker 2: is exactly how I feel right now about Jacoby Brissett.
Speaker 2: Do I do not think that if they have to
Speaker 2: play Jacoby Brissett that they are going to be a
Speaker 2: bore to watch on offense?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Do I think that they are going to win a
Speaker 2: bunch of games? Probably not, But they aren't going to
Speaker 2: be like they weren't last year. It's not going to
Speaker 2: be You're not going to come away from it and
Speaker 2: be like, what the hell did I just watch?
Speaker 1: Like? They're not going to reinvent ways to struggle offensively,
Speaker 1: They're not gonna do that time.
Speaker 2: It's gonna look representative.
Speaker 1: It's gonna look they're not gonna set They're not coming
Speaker 1: for the seven Patriots records, but you're gonna be able
Speaker 1: to watch it. And I think sneaky big thing about
Speaker 1: Jacoby Brissett. Actually didn't put either of these guys in
Speaker 1: my ups because I just I was trying to put
Speaker 1: it together. But representative he's given jayvon Baker, Jalen Polk
Speaker 1: and I'll even throw to Mario Douglas in here, but
Speaker 1: really the rookies because Douglas has been limited, those guys
Speaker 1: have had a chance to really develop and really make
Speaker 1: plays while Drake May goes through his growing pains and
Speaker 1: they're not. I think this has been part of the
Speaker 1: issue with the wide receiver development. Here post Brady, you're
Speaker 1: getting representative quarterback play, and it's allowing those guys to
Speaker 1: do what they need to do without being maybe handcuffed
Speaker 1: by developmental plight the quarterback position. And the two biggest
Speaker 1: winners I would say of Jacoby Brissett's kind of surprise
Speaker 1: start to camp are Baker and Polk because they were
Speaker 1: able to rep with the root ones and they're able
Speaker 1: to get quality reps.
Speaker 2: So speaking of them, yeah, all right, you had them.
Speaker 1: Good. My next two or on defense, so I had
Speaker 1: one on defense too, all right, it's probably the same guy.
Speaker 1: I don't think it is actually right. I had Jayvon
Speaker 1: Baker and Jalen Polk together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair rookie receivers. They're both rookie receivers. Again,
Speaker 2: that's how I do it have been exactly in the
Speaker 2: last couple of days and the reason why I'm like
Speaker 2: kind of trepid like dancing around is because I don't
Speaker 2: think Javon Baker has made as many plays the last
Speaker 2: couple of days. He got off to a slower.
Speaker 1: Start too, and I think some of that was the
Speaker 1: injury he had in the spring.
Speaker 2: But all this stuff that we're seeing from those two
Speaker 2: guys are exactly as advertised as what I thought they
Speaker 2: would beat in the draft. Javon Baker is going to
Speaker 2: be your splash play guy. It's not going to be consistent,
Speaker 2: but you know, whether it's Dave Davis, yeah, that was
Speaker 2: my comp there's a little bit more above the rim
Speaker 2: than Gabe Davis. I think that I didn't notice as
Speaker 2: much as absolutely. Yeah, Gabe Davis's I still feel like
Speaker 2: is just kind of run under it speed guy.
Speaker 1: But I think when you look at what you're projecting
Speaker 1: for production, yeah, Javon Baker is like a three catch,
Speaker 1: eighty yards win touchdown guy. And there'll be like four
Speaker 1: or five games where he maybe goes like a buck
Speaker 1: fifty and like four or five games where he gets blanked.
Speaker 2: Yes, right, couldn't agree more. And that's exactly how they practice, right,
Speaker 2: Javon Baker is gonna have like the play that he
Speaker 2: made earlier this week, he's gonna have a catch like
Speaker 2: that that's gonna make your jaw drop and you're gonna say,
Speaker 2: holy crap, this guy's so talented. But the guy that's
Speaker 2: really gonna be the engine of the offense is gonna
Speaker 2: be Jalen Polk, and he Jalen Polk to me has
Speaker 2: me really excited because the one thing that I wanted
Speaker 2: to see out of Jalen Polk was was he one
Speaker 2: of these craftsmen that the forty time just isn't gonna matter,
Speaker 2: Like we can just throw the forty time out because
Speaker 2: he's a he's smooth, he's fluid, he's great at the
Speaker 2: top of the row, he's got great hands, physical, and
Speaker 2: I'm getting those types of vibes from him so far.
Speaker 2: It goes against a lot of my beliefs at the
Speaker 2: wide receiver position, because you know, I'm a separate guy,
Speaker 2: like everything to me is separation. But I look at
Speaker 2: Jalen Polk as a guy that truly could catch a
Speaker 2: high volume of targets in this offense and could play
Speaker 2: on all situations because he's got the size to be
Speaker 2: able to block and throw his weight around a little
Speaker 2: bit too in the run game, So I don't think
Speaker 2: he necessarily needs to come off the field.
Speaker 1: I think it's important because I've seen people say, why
Speaker 1: are you saying Jalen Polk has had this great camp
Speaker 1: when he hasn't had any big plays and he had
Speaker 1: the one early on that's it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he had the one in seven's the other right, So.
Speaker 1: Well, elevens is what really counts. But and I think
Speaker 1: I texted you about this. You gotta look at them
Speaker 1: in this dynamic. Jalon Baker is your big play threat. Yep,
Speaker 1: He's not going to be a consistent player, but he
Speaker 1: is the guy you're going over the top. Jalen Polk
Speaker 1: is the exact opposite. Jalen Polk is chain mover. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Jalen Polk is here to go eight to twelve yards
Speaker 1: in the line of scrimmage, find an opening in the defense,
Speaker 1: sit down, catch the football, move the James. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: that mus it's not gonna be flashy and he might not,
Speaker 1: you know, remember because again the comp before the draft
Speaker 1: with Jakobe Myers looks.
Speaker 2: It's the same role.
Speaker 1: He is a spinning edge of Jacob Myers went what
Speaker 1: three years before his first NFL touchdown something like that. Like,
Speaker 1: I would not be surprised if Jalen Polk is similar.
Speaker 1: But he's gonna be the guy third and gotta have it.
Speaker 1: He is going to find a spot. Just pass the six,
Speaker 1: get open, catch the ball, fall down like that. In there,
Speaker 1: it's it's an important role. Now it's diminished. And part
Speaker 1: of the reason the offense ind pop with Jacoby Myers
Speaker 1: here is that role gets a lot sexier when you
Speaker 1: have somebody out there opposite who's a threat to make
Speaker 1: the big play. And Jacoby Myers never really played with
Speaker 1: that guy. He is now in Vegas with DeVante Adams.
Speaker 1: But you hope either Baker's that guy, or you add
Speaker 1: that guy next year or whatever, we'll get to one
Speaker 1: other guy that maybe gives them a stop gap there.
Speaker 1: But I'm not gonna go that far yet. But like,
Speaker 1: when you look at Polk in that context, he's had
Speaker 1: a great camp. If you're affecting him to be, you know,
Speaker 1: seven eight touchdown guy, a fifteen yards per reception guy, like,
Speaker 1: he's not gonna be that, but that's not who he
Speaker 1: is that somebody was drafted to be.
Speaker 2: So my question with Jalen Polk, my one question because
Speaker 2: I've been impressed. He runs great routes. He gets open enough.
Speaker 2: You know, he's not a big time separator, but he
Speaker 2: gets open enough right, and he's got good The hands
Speaker 2: are as advertised, really good hands and just really incredibly
Speaker 2: fluid and smooth at the top of the route. Here
Speaker 2: in a route on Marcella's dial today on the goal line,
Speaker 2: and it's just it's so silky, yeah, you know, and
Speaker 2: there's no wasted movement, and he has nice burst off
Speaker 2: the line and into the route. Really just Jacoby Myers
Speaker 2: like through and through. It looks so much. Now my
Speaker 2: question with him, yeah, is okay, So his average target
Speaker 2: depth stay with the nerds with me for a second.
Speaker 1: I'll give you a dot that is a tangible number.
Speaker 1: His average target depth is gonna be about nine or
Speaker 1: ten yards something like that. So can he turn nine
Speaker 1: and ten yard a dots into thirteen fourteen yards per
Speaker 1: catch or is he gonna be nine and ten a
Speaker 1: dots and ten yards per catch? Because that's gonna be
Speaker 1: the difference between him being seventy for seven hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy for one thousand. So what I think is gonna
Speaker 1: help him, And so this year I think he's more
Speaker 1: that ten you know, nine a dot ten yards per catch. Guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but ideally, and again we're putting on our ideal hats here. Yes,
Speaker 1: if Drake May pans out, yeah, teams are gonna have
Speaker 1: to pay play a ton of zone against Drake May
Speaker 1: because you can't have defenders turning their eyes away from
Speaker 1: him when he's a threat to run. Sure, when Polk
Speaker 1: sees zone, he's able to find space where he can
Speaker 1: catch the ball nine yards downfield but has room to
Speaker 1: run and set himself up with room to run. If
Speaker 1: Drake May can get to the level where teams are
Speaker 1: forced into zone against the Patriots, or at least like
Speaker 1: defenders keeping their eyes on the quarterback, yeah, it's going
Speaker 1: to unlock another level for Jalen Polk.
Speaker 2: He's he's been if that makes sense. I don't know
Speaker 2: if I explained that right. Yeah, he's been good, and
Speaker 2: I think that there's a lot of reasons to be excited.
Speaker 2: And I just for the record, I did not think
Speaker 2: that Nikhil Harry and Taekwon Thornton looked like this in
Speaker 2: their rookie camps. I think they both had flashes like
Speaker 2: maybe if you wanted to put them more in the
Speaker 2: Baker school. I think they both had flashes as rookies,
Speaker 2: you know, before their injuries. Obviously, I'll say that too,
Speaker 2: And that's where we need to be careful here.
Speaker 1: I I always said, I think because players don't just
Speaker 1: like suck, players don't forget how to play football. There's
Speaker 1: usually a reason behind why players careers get derailed. Harry
Speaker 1: and Thornton both got hurt in their first camp and
Speaker 1: they lost development time, and especially in the system the
Speaker 1: Patriots were using at the time, there was just significant
Speaker 1: catch up that they didn't have time to do. So
Speaker 1: so Polk stays healthy, but I think he's well.
Speaker 2: Harry was a big guy. I don't know what that was.
Speaker 2: Just he hurt himself and they put him back in.
Speaker 2: That was a whole other thing. Thorn Like was always
Speaker 2: a threat to get hurt.
Speaker 1: Polk's built more to maintain at the NFL level.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, all right, who else he got? What was
Speaker 2: your second?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: No, your second was the Rokie receivers. Yes, Marx Jones.
Speaker 1: I think Marcus, just so there's two guys I think
Speaker 1: you could argue have been the best most consistent defensive players.
Speaker 2: In this camp.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Marcus Jones is one of them. He has been
Speaker 1: just excellent coverage. He's constantly on the receiver. He's done
Speaker 1: it from different spots. He's done it from the slot,
Speaker 1: he's done it from the boundary. He's done playing safety
Speaker 1: a little bit. He's had some really He's had a
Speaker 1: pass break up, like a physical pass breakup against Jalen
Speaker 1: Polk who's much bigger than him. He had a physical
Speaker 1: pass break up against Jujus Smith Schuster today, who is
Speaker 1: bigger than him. We can talk about where Juju's at,
Speaker 1: but he is strong, like upper body. Juju is strong,
Speaker 1: and Jones punched the ball out big development. If he's
Speaker 1: still going to give you that inside outside versatility.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's starting Nickel right now. And I don't think
Speaker 2: it's close. You know, I think, what is he there?
Speaker 1: Starting nick Or is he a guy that they're gonna
Speaker 1: up on the boundary. No, I think it's starting to
Speaker 1: like you can wrap on the boundary if you need
Speaker 1: him to. Yeah, I think he probably could. But I
Speaker 1: Gonzo John Jones, Marcus Jones is your top three right now.
Speaker 1: And it to me, it's gonna be hard for somebody
Speaker 1: to make a push like an alxaucetin in ourn isable. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying if there's injury or whatever, and yeah,
Speaker 1: he gives you that at least where where John Jones
Speaker 1: and Marcus Jones physically actually line up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, might morph week to week, game to game, drive
Speaker 2: to drive, whatever, but those three guys are pretty entrenched,
Speaker 2: I would say right now. Uh, and where they're gonna
Speaker 2: play in terms of playing time like that, those are
Speaker 2: gonna be the top three guys. The other thing, and
Speaker 2: we haven't seen a ton of it, and we haven't
Speaker 2: seen it truly live live yet. He is going to
Speaker 2: be a monster on kickoff returns.
Speaker 1: And I still wonder if they're gonna put him back
Speaker 1: there on kickoff return, why wouldn't they injury if he's
Speaker 1: playing this, Well, it's a corner they have other kick
Speaker 1: turn off.
Speaker 2: Oh that's a bummer though, because this is.
Speaker 1: Maybe he becomes a guy where it's like he's not
Speaker 1: go return every kickoff. But when you get to a
Speaker 1: big point in gate it, I mean, he's got to
Speaker 1: be the primary punt returner. And that's the other thing.
Speaker 1: He's going to be the primary punt returner. And it's
Speaker 1: just they I feel like a big difference between the
Speaker 1: old just and there's no inside information here, it's just
Speaker 1: hearing the way people talk. Yeah, I feel like the
Speaker 1: current coaching staff maybe thinks he was overworked in the
Speaker 1: past between offense.
Speaker 2: Multiple positions, Well, it's multiple positions on defense. Yeah, kick returns,
Speaker 2: punt returns, and offense.
Speaker 1: And if they just let's let's have him be great
Speaker 1: at three things rather than have him be just above
Speaker 1: average at five things. I wonder if there's kind of
Speaker 1: and we'll see what happens with guys like Jalen Rager
Speaker 1: and guys like Jahem Bell and things like that. But
Speaker 1: I do wonder if there's an element of we have
Speaker 1: other guys that can return kicks. It doesn't need to
Speaker 1: be on his plate.
Speaker 2: Let's not put it on his plate. So I think
Speaker 2: it's fair to say that what you said about it's
Speaker 2: the fourth quarter, you're a touchdown and you need a
Speaker 2: field flipping return. You know, maybe you have Marcus Jones
Speaker 2: back there for that, but maybe he's not back there
Speaker 2: every single time. But I also feel like we might
Speaker 2: get into the season and it might be touchback city anyways.
Speaker 1: That too, I think teams are gonna be petrified, So
Speaker 1: I didn't realize seeing it in person. I didn't realize
Speaker 1: how far in front of the returner the setup lines
Speaker 1: are because that part's different than the old XFL. There's
Speaker 1: so much room to set things up, like, that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I think teams are gonna be scared of this.
Speaker 2: That's why I feel like Marcus Jones would just be dynamite.
Speaker 2: I also want there's so much space.
Speaker 1: I also wonder, because Girodmeo kind of let it slip
Speaker 1: the other day that the league is still tinkering with
Speaker 1: and finalizing the rules, the touchback being at the thirty
Speaker 1: is not going to be enough.
Speaker 2: It might have to go up to the thirty five,
Speaker 2: forty forty.
Speaker 1: I wonder if the league steps in because they want
Speaker 1: this to be a play. They want a kickoff, they
Speaker 1: want an exciting plays.
Speaker 2: They're calling it the Dynamic kickoff, and look it is
Speaker 2: it's a league wide initiative to hype up this thing. Okay,
Speaker 2: this is important.
Speaker 1: Well let me say this is we're on a sort
Speaker 1: of league airwaves here, Like, yeah, when it's played out,
Speaker 1: it is a very exciting play.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just don't think the where disincentive is there?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hear what you're saying, right, Like, I think
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot of teams that kind of
Speaker 1: start working on this thing and think there's so much opportunity.
Speaker 1: They're gonna see how the potent, how potentially exciting is
Speaker 1: for the return team and say this isn't worth it.
Speaker 1: We'll we'll give up the extra five yards and start
Speaker 1: at the thirty. And I wonder if the team sees
Speaker 1: that in the preseason, because I think they're doing this
Speaker 1: by the seat of their pants. They won't change it
Speaker 1: during the regular season. I wonder if they see it
Speaker 1: during the preseason and say, nope, touchbacks now the forty. Yeah,
Speaker 1: figure that out. And if not this year, I think
Speaker 1: next year for sure. If teams are using this as
Speaker 1: for or just kicking touchbacks, I think next year we
Speaker 1: see the touchback line moving to the thirty five or
Speaker 1: the forty and really incentivizing teams to kick this off
Speaker 1: and have a play.
Speaker 2: Offensive line of the recouiver receivers and Marcus Jones, you
Speaker 2: have one more?
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, ke On White, Yeah, so go ahead, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: just he's been excellent on the edge, like he was
Speaker 1: hyped up in the springs. Rod Meo said he's been
Speaker 1: improved and talk about the year two jump and especially
Speaker 1: against the run. I mean, he's been a monster. He's
Speaker 1: been a problem, and he's been getting into the backfield regularly.
Speaker 1: And this is a guy they really need to take
Speaker 1: that next jump, and he's early indications are he's doing
Speaker 1: it like he he of all the young players, all
Speaker 1: the players on rookie contracts called the last you know,
Speaker 1: twenty two to twenty three, it would be twenty. There's
Speaker 1: nobody left from twenty one. There's a couple, but caught
Speaker 1: like the twenty one twenty twenty three draft classes. Right.
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody's taken as big of a jump
Speaker 1: as Keon White. I don't think anybody's close to taking
Speaker 1: as big of a jump as ke On White looks.
Speaker 2: Like he's taking. So I think he's made some plays
Speaker 2: against the run. Yeah, I I don't necessarily see the
Speaker 2: breakout camp that some of the other guys down here
Speaker 2: have seen. And I'm not saying that they're or you're wrong. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I just haven't necessarily seen it that way one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: But the biggest reason why to me that I haven't
Speaker 2: is because I still don't necessarily see like the twitched
Speaker 2: up one on one pass rusher, if he's schemed into
Speaker 2: the pass rush, like if they're running stunts and picks
Speaker 2: and stuff like that for him and he just has
Speaker 2: a straight line to the quarterback and he can just
Speaker 2: kind of, you know, be a linear athlete in that respect,
Speaker 2: or if he wants to just use straight power. I
Speaker 2: think those things are there. He's still to me a
Speaker 2: a developing player in terms of his pass rush. Now,
Speaker 2: maybe Covington and Joe Kim and you know, the new
Speaker 2: defensive line coach on plagging on, maybe maybe they get
Speaker 2: him there. That's eventually. I'm hopeful because he's definitely a
Speaker 2: wrecking ball, Like there's no doubt about that. Like he's
Speaker 2: a wrecking ball against the run, and he's a splash player,
Speaker 2: uh in that respect. But I I when you watch
Speaker 2: them and do one on ones and stuff like that too,
Speaker 2: he still just looks a little bit stiff to me.
Speaker 1: So I don't think he's ever gonna be that twitched
Speaker 1: up quick pass rush. Yeah, he's gonna be, and we
Speaker 1: saw it last year. Like he's athletic, Yeah, he's a
Speaker 1: bull rusher. I think his best way to win, he's
Speaker 1: he needs a counter. He needs a counter, but I
Speaker 1: think his best way to win his initial punch is
Speaker 1: so strong, yea, get the lineman off balance, and then
Speaker 1: when that guy's off balance, he can run around him.
Speaker 1: Like he does need a counter to that. But we
Speaker 1: talked about this last year. That initial punch from him
Speaker 1: is yeah, I mean it can knock a guy out
Speaker 1: for not knockout, but like you can essentially render and right,
Speaker 1: you can stun alignment for a play. And this is
Speaker 1: I remember him doing against the Eagles last year, where
Speaker 1: he would hit that punch, the lineman would get off balance,
Speaker 1: he'd get in the backfield. Jalen Hurts ran out and
Speaker 1: this happened like three or four times, and Keon White's
Speaker 1: running steph for a step with him as he runs
Speaker 1: out and never let him get the edge.
Speaker 2: Like he's definitely an athletic line in a very good
Speaker 2: linear right. He's powerful and he's athletic. He's just not quick,
Speaker 2: He's not he's not overly bendy and so normally like
Speaker 2: guys that can really rack up sacks and pressures like
Speaker 2: a Judean j when you know he's rolling, those guys
Speaker 2: obviously have great first steps, but they're also very bendy.
Speaker 1: So I'm trying to think here, who's like the who's
Speaker 1: a pass rusher that wins, like mainly just by being
Speaker 1: stronger and more physically dominant on the.
Speaker 2: I would say this guy in the middle. The closest
Speaker 2: thing I would say is probably like Rashaun Gary in
Speaker 2: Green Bay. Yeah, but doesn't he play on the interior. No,
Speaker 2: he's pure Oh don't I'm thinking of continue. Yeah, He's
Speaker 2: probably the closest thing that I can think of that's
Speaker 2: not you know, a super veteran player, a retired player,
Speaker 2: or anything like well, no, give me, give me a
Speaker 2: retied play, give me some Okay. So I would say
Speaker 2: that Rashaan Gary is the first one that comes to mind. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mentioned him earlier in the show, just with the
Speaker 2: Judan stuff. Like I think Zadarius Smith is a guy
Speaker 2: that wins with it, like a pure power type of guy.
Speaker 2: Those guys always worry me because typically they can disrupt
Speaker 2: and they can knock a lineman off their rails, and
Speaker 2: they're good against the run because they're sturdy. But in
Speaker 2: terms of if we're talking about Keon White replacing Matthew Judonne,
Speaker 2: they need that player to be a finisher.
Speaker 1: So right, if he's gonna replace jud On, you need
Speaker 1: more than that. But if he's gonna be your secondary, Yeah, I'm.
Speaker 2: Not low on No, I just personally, I think for
Speaker 2: him to go from what he was last year, or
Speaker 2: really just to go from like there's a difference between
Speaker 2: being disruptive and being productive. This is ago one in
Speaker 2: the chat Justin Tuck possibly like we were a little young.
Speaker 2: For Justin Tuck, he was just me. He was just
Speaker 2: mean and physical.
Speaker 1: He just threw guys aside. There wasn't it wasn't really
Speaker 1: dressed up. There wasn't a ton of like, oh look
Speaker 1: at the footwork, Oh look at the hands.
Speaker 2: It was just wow.
Speaker 1: He just kind of tossed that guy. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: think that's what you hope Keon White becomes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with.
Speaker 1: All that, but he I mean, that's for him to
Speaker 1: hit that like elite love like for what he is
Speaker 1: right now, he's still projecting to be a good, useful
Speaker 1: you know what's the word I'm looking for. No, but
Speaker 1: like disruptive player.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think there's a very good chance that he
Speaker 2: ends up being a guy that has a lot of
Speaker 2: hurries and a lot of like pressure, but I don't
Speaker 2: know about the sacks element of it yet. And the
Speaker 2: sack element comes comes through finishers, right, like a rip
Speaker 2: move or you know, some sort of finisher that allows
Speaker 2: you to actually get to the quarterback and make contact
Speaker 2: with the quarterback. He's getting there, they need to give
Speaker 2: him a counter. Like he could be a long arm
Speaker 2: bul rush type of guy and probably just do that
Speaker 2: all the time and be disruptive. But if he had
Speaker 2: some sort of a counter. Now, the counter that I
Speaker 2: think he'll probably get to is probably like an inside counter,
Speaker 2: like whether it's like a crossover or an arm over
Speaker 2: swim move type of inside the move. Who had that move?
Speaker 2: I think this was von Miller thing where like he
Speaker 2: faked the bull rush.
Speaker 1: He's kind of got his arms out and the line
Speaker 1: and like he anticipated it and then just he stopped
Speaker 1: right before he hit him and the line was all
Speaker 1: off balance and then he just kind.
Speaker 2: Of b who was that?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 2: So von Miller patten in the ghost rush, which is
Speaker 2: like you go speed to power and then instead of
Speaker 2: actually making contact. Yeah, so the lineman embraces instead of
Speaker 2: actually making contact, you just dip underneath.
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, That's what I'm thinking of because Josh Josh
Speaker 1: Ucha was working on that at one point. Well, so
Speaker 1: that's called a ghost rush. Yeah, and Von Miller is
Speaker 1: usually the guy that people give credit to for popular
Speaker 1: popular rising. I thought it was von Miller. I mean,
Speaker 1: he obviously has much more in his bay, his bag.
Speaker 1: He can rush any which way. But yeah, okay, let's
Speaker 1: do down. Yeah, we're we're all up with it, all
Speaker 1: done with ups right, Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: Number one.
Speaker 1: You know what, actually I have an honorable mention up
Speaker 1: because I'm too afraid to put him on my list.
Speaker 2: But he's had a good camp. Oh I know, I think,
Speaker 2: I know. Yeah, Taekwon Thorne. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: I can't do it to my and I don't want
Speaker 1: to do it, but I also don't want to be unfair.
Speaker 1: The guy's been good, and let's give him credit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's been good, and he's been good when the pads
Speaker 1: are on. And the reason I'm hesitant to do it
Speaker 1: is because he'll come out tomorrow and land weird and
Speaker 1: hurt himself.
Speaker 2: But like I'm more hesitant to do it, Like that's
Speaker 2: definitely in play, and.
Speaker 1: I okay, right, let's put this qualifyer on it. Neither
Speaker 1: one of us are projecting anything forward. He could still
Speaker 1: very well not make the team.
Speaker 2: Objectively, he's had a good game through seven days.
Speaker 1: He's and this is with Kendrick Born and Pop Douglas
Speaker 1: essentially not practicing. Yes, Taekwon Thornton's been their best veteran
Speaker 1: wide receiver.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think that's a todd take. Like I
Speaker 2: said in this, Well, there's a lot of qualifiers on that,
Speaker 2: but the biggest qualifier to me is just like, can
Speaker 2: you actually do it in an NFL regularly?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: So that's it's one thing to do it out here.
Speaker 1: I'm so far Again, it was just on filgrim has it,
Speaker 1: don't go draft him in fantasy, to which Felger said,
Speaker 1: I didn't have to worry about him doing that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he Objectively, he's he's beaten Christian Zalezen one on
Speaker 1: ones and team, he's getting a open, he's catching the ball.
Speaker 1: Drops haven't really been an issue for him. I don't
Speaker 1: remember him having any drops. He's making contested catches like
Speaker 1: he's doing all the things we've kind of wanted him.
Speaker 1: How you're doing, Taekwon? No, but but I'm saying now
Speaker 1: you're doing tables have turned but I'm not because the
Speaker 1: difference is I'm putting all of this in the past tense.
Speaker 1: You're going to talk me into this again, I am
Speaker 1: putting all of this in the past tense. And here's
Speaker 1: the difference. Two years of game action significantly outweigh seven
Speaker 1: training camp practices, no doubt, and I still know the guy.
Speaker 1: He's been in games and that's why he's on here
Speaker 1: because he hasn't looked like that in these practices. He's
Speaker 1: got to do it in a preseason game and he's
Speaker 1: got to get to the season healthy because he's started
Speaker 1: his first two years on IR.
Speaker 2: But he's actually says he does he have to do
Speaker 2: it in the preseason, like, yes, does he have to play? Yes,
Speaker 2: Almas wouldn't play him. No, he has to play because
Speaker 2: he's playing plenty of because you need to prove this
Speaker 2: isn't fools gold. So I think the two things I
Speaker 2: need to see this I hereet, I think the two
Speaker 2: things I'll give you. Taekwon. Yeah, let's give two Taekwon
Speaker 2: Number one I said back in the spring, and you
Speaker 2: made fun of me for doing taekwan again, there's a
Speaker 2: very very distinct role for him in this offense. That
Speaker 2: is needed and that's that speed X. So they're gonna
Speaker 2: run a ton of two man route concepts and if
Speaker 2: you don't have somebody that can take the top off
Speaker 2: the defense and make the safety stay deep, then the
Speaker 2: whole thing goes to crap. Like you need somebody that
Speaker 2: can run down the field. It's that simple. It might
Speaker 2: come to the point where it's just win sprints seventy
Speaker 2: five percent of the time. But if you get one
Speaker 2: on one coverage deep and you're on that deep over
Speaker 2: that deep post route or a clear out on a vertical, like,
Speaker 2: you have to be able to win one on one yeah,
Speaker 2: and you have to be or take the safety with you.
Speaker 2: And there's nobody else on this team right now that
Speaker 2: does that like well at Taekwon.
Speaker 1: So here's the thing, as I say all this, I
Speaker 1: still don't know if I would do a roster projection
Speaker 1: day that I have Taekwon on the team. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: Javon Baker's also looked really good and he's gonna do
Speaker 1: that differently, but he could do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So the second thing I'd give Taekwon is that
Speaker 2: I do feel like the seven or eight pounds of
Speaker 2: muscle that he's put on. I tangibly do see some
Speaker 2: of it. Like I feel like he's more physical. And
Speaker 2: I don't mean that he's like bodying people and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. I just mean he's like more sturdy, Like
Speaker 2: he doesn't look like so frail out there, and like
Speaker 2: people are just you know, pushing him around and bodying
Speaker 2: him everywhere. It feels like he's more, he's denser. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I just look.
Speaker 1: I need to see more because again, the two years
Speaker 1: out weigh seven practices. Yeah, but I do think you
Speaker 1: should give credit where credits due. He's been one of
Speaker 1: their better players this summer.
Speaker 2: Fair enough, let's get to the downs. Speaking of receivers. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the number one down I think for everybody. If you
Speaker 2: ask to any every beat writer that's been here every
Speaker 2: single day like you and I is Juju Smith Schuster.
Speaker 2: It's rough Man. It's rough to watch rough And if
Speaker 2: he wasn't one of these guys that made a boatload
Speaker 2: of money in his NFL career and as a made
Speaker 2: man with a ring, I would genuinely feel bad watching him.
Speaker 2: It looks painful sometimes watching him through these go through
Speaker 2: these practices. There's an argument to be made.
Speaker 1: Door.
Speaker 2: I saw my roster. Yeah, I do. There's an argument
Speaker 2: to be made that he's been there.
Speaker 1: I just said, like Tae Kwon's been their best and
Speaker 1: that comes with some qualifiers, but their best veteran receiver
Speaker 1: has Juju been their worst?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: Look Jaquai Jackson, right, Kawan Baker. These guys aren't getting
Speaker 1: a ton of reps David Wallace, but there have been.
Speaker 2: JAQUAIH.
Speaker 1: Jackson had a diving catch the second day camp.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Dakuai Jackson's had at least a couple of catches.
Speaker 1: Kawan Baker at a touchdown today, like he gets open occasionally.
Speaker 1: Even David Wallace had one where it was a deep
Speaker 1: ball from Joe Milton that he caught up to like
Speaker 1: it's a little overthrown and he got his wheels going
Speaker 1: he got up to it.
Speaker 2: I don't Now, those guys don't rep at times.
Speaker 1: So I'm not sitting here saying like they've definitively beiten
Speaker 1: better than Juju Smith Schuster.
Speaker 2: But I feel like Juju he had he did catch
Speaker 2: the slant from.
Speaker 1: Joe Milt yesterday, so shouldn't say he's that that was
Speaker 1: That was the one time where I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: but it was different now as in an NFL route,
Speaker 1: there's not a ton of times you look at those
Speaker 1: other guys and say, wow, it's that bad. Maybe that's
Speaker 1: verse expectations, but yeah, it's drops. It's lack of separation.
Speaker 1: Like every time I noticed Juju, it's him. It's something
Speaker 1: going wrong.
Speaker 2: He doesn't have it left, he doesn't have it anymore,
Speaker 2: Like it's just gone. And that's what happens unfortunately. Like
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to pile on, but that's just unfortunately
Speaker 2: what happens with guys is that they just it just
Speaker 2: goes and it just doesn't come back right. And that's
Speaker 2: where they're at with Juju. Now, we had this conversation
Speaker 2: before the show started off the air. Now it's just
Speaker 2: about how you how do you? What's your exit strategy here?
Speaker 2: He's probably not gonna have any trade value, He's he
Speaker 2: shouldn't make the team, So what's the exit strategy? I
Speaker 2: think he got to eat the money.
Speaker 1: You gotta eat the money, and that nine dollars nine
Speaker 1: million dollars is best spent by opening up opportunities for
Speaker 1: Jalen Polk and Javon Baker and Pop Douglas.
Speaker 2: Now, I don't know do they keep him in just
Speaker 2: not play them. I just feel like when we had
Speaker 2: this conversation earlier, Yeah, off the air, I just feel
Speaker 2: like he's He's a household name and a name that
Speaker 2: I'm sure a lot of the younger receivers in that
Speaker 2: room respect a Ton because of his career and his accolades.
Speaker 2: It's hard to keep that kind of guy around and
Speaker 2: A have him be a good Samaritan about it, but
Speaker 2: b just like have it be the dynamic in the
Speaker 2: room being normal. It's not all that different to me
Speaker 2: than Cam Newton and Mac Jones Cam Newton's or Mac
Speaker 2: Jones's rookie year. Like, it's just it's gonna be an
Speaker 2: elephant in the room for the entire season that this
Speaker 2: guy that's making the most money, by the way, in
Speaker 2: the room, that has a Super Bowl ring, that made
Speaker 2: Pro Bowls, like all this kind of all these acts
Speaker 2: leads is the odd man now that's never playing. Like
Speaker 2: it just doesn't feel right to me to keep him
Speaker 2: around for those reasons. And Yeah, that that's one that
Speaker 2: you gotta go to mister Craft and you gotta tell
Speaker 2: him that we gotta cut our losses. That's why I
Speaker 2: think the books closed there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I just say, I you know, he's mentioned
Speaker 1: he said yesterday he kind of tweaked his knee running
Speaker 1: off to the side, like he said, he tripped on
Speaker 1: a rock. Yeah you can, Okay, yes, exactly, he tripped
Speaker 1: on a rock, which I still don't really. I just
Speaker 1: think like physically, I just sometimes you have those injuries
Speaker 1: and they they stay and that's it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sorry. Thing, but just the way he said
Speaker 2: that was was pretty funny yesterday. All right, so do
Speaker 2: we both have juju? Yeah? All right, who's in your
Speaker 2: next one? Uh?
Speaker 1: My next one is Atonio Maffi. Yeah, So he's trying
Speaker 1: to make move to center. Yeah, and it's just been
Speaker 1: a lot of erratic snaps, a lot of ratic snaps
Speaker 1: and false starts, which I don't know if they're entirely
Speaker 1: on him, but that's usually at least a little on
Speaker 1: the center. Yeah, newhile Nick Leverett kind of struggled the
Speaker 1: first day or two at center. He's been solid since
Speaker 1: and he's gotten a ton of opportunities with David Andrews
Speaker 1: missing practice. So I think that was a sneaky battle
Speaker 1: that maybe we didn't realize was a battle. Now, Jake
Speaker 1: Andrew's also on pup, so does he come back and does.
Speaker 2: He mix in there? But like I feel pretty good
Speaker 2: about nick LeVert is the backup center right now. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I feel pretty good about nick Levertt as like the
Speaker 2: backup in tiers. Yeah, and he'll play some guard too,
Speaker 2: But like Leydon Rominson's going to make the roster. But
Speaker 2: if you had to put a guy in on game day,
Speaker 2: somebody goes gets hurt and you have to put somebody
Speaker 2: in immediately, whether it's at guard or center, I think
Speaker 2: nick Leverett could hold his own at either spot. Yeah. No,
Speaker 2: I mean like he was a good find. He was
Speaker 2: a good signing. I MAFI right now.
Speaker 1: Just he's I think they moved him to center because
Speaker 1: I wonder if they wondered about his ability guard and
Speaker 1: he's not a center, like that's been pretty clear.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he doesn't really necessarily, Like the further you go out,
Speaker 2: the more athletic you need to be. Yeah, typically, and
Speaker 2: his lack of foot speed and stuff like that at
Speaker 2: guard was getting exposed. So I can understand why they
Speaker 2: probably thought if he's gonna make the team, it's gonna
Speaker 2: be at center. He a lot of those snaps that
Speaker 2: he's been having. We talked earlier about the West Coast
Speaker 2: offense and timing and rhythm and how important those things are.
Speaker 2: When Drake may is like picking, like taking snaps off
Speaker 2: his shoelaces and stuff like that, a lot of that
Speaker 2: stuff gets ruined. I know people are gonna it was
Speaker 2: already making excuses for Drake Man. I'm just saying like that,
Speaker 2: that's the context.
Speaker 1: No, that's been part of it, and that's part of
Speaker 1: the context. Drake made struggles, Like the unit around him
Speaker 1: hasn't been great. The snaps have been have been rough
Speaker 1: at times. Okay, so you have Mafi Marte MoPo is
Speaker 1: on my downs. Can't make the club from the tub,
Speaker 1: can't make the club from the tub.
Speaker 2: I'm bummed. We we did a show last week, right
Speaker 2: this was last week that we talked about Marte Mopou
Speaker 2: in a potential role for him. I gotta got myself
Speaker 2: a little bit excited about what that could be. We
Speaker 2: mentioned earlier in the show Jonathan Jones, Marcus Jones, Christian Gonzales.
Speaker 2: That seems to be your top three corners right now.
Speaker 2: John Jones and especially Marcus Jones undersized guys, smaller guys.
Speaker 2: It would be great to be able to get into
Speaker 2: like a three nickel safety defense or a three safety
Speaker 2: dime or something like that where you could put somebody
Speaker 2: in the slot that's got some size to him, that
Speaker 2: is on the roster right now. The guy that could
Speaker 2: do that is Martemopu unless you put Jalen Hawkins in
Speaker 2: and move Peppers and Dugger around and things like that.
Speaker 2: That was his projected role, and I thought that that
Speaker 2: was a legitimate role that he could have on this
Speaker 2: team that could make an impact and he could actually
Speaker 2: be a useful player. He came in hurt Yep, he's
Speaker 2: hurt again. At some point, you have to be available
Speaker 2: to make a football team. It's getting dicey. And the
Speaker 2: one thing that I would say for him that he
Speaker 2: hasn't the feather in his cap right now is that
Speaker 2: most of the time, teams don't move on from top
Speaker 2: one hundred picks in year two like they usually give
Speaker 2: them two solid years to make a run at it
Speaker 2: to carve out a role on the team. So he
Speaker 2: might just make it as or maybe an ir guy
Speaker 2: and you know he's stashed for a year and gets
Speaker 2: healthy and all that kind of stuff. But you said
Speaker 2: it best you can't make the club from the dub.
Speaker 2: It's that simple, all right. Who else we got?
Speaker 1: This one kind of surprised me. Yeah, but I think
Speaker 1: it's time to start having this conversation. Oh Alex Austin.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had that great spring and we got all
Speaker 2: excited and had a decent back end of the season
Speaker 2: last year.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and like I'm not riding him off as like,
Speaker 1: like I'd still probably have him on a roster projection
Speaker 1: if I made it today, But yeah, he just didn't quite.
Speaker 1: He's not like he was really dominant this spring. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And he's been fine. He's had his moments. He's also
Speaker 1: gotten beat a few times. He's kind of mixed, and
Speaker 1: he looks like a backup rotational corner. We thought maybe
Speaker 1: they found another guy. Yeah, and you haven't seen that
Speaker 1: from him this summer, So.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's a little harsh putting him on the downs.
Speaker 1: It was more just something I wanted to bring up
Speaker 1: and this seemed like a good time to do it. Like,
Speaker 1: he's not we got a little too ahead of ourselves
Speaker 1: with him this spring.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's more than fair. I think both Marco Wilson
Speaker 2: and Isaiah Bolden have flashed a little bit more for me.
Speaker 2: Marcel's dial got some more time today too. Yeah, they're
Speaker 2: they're clearly kind of putting him un noticed. Maybe things
Speaker 2: again like yeah, and it just Yarrow back out there,
Speaker 2: Stefan Gilmore. Yeah, so I'm I'm I'm very much back
Speaker 2: on that. Yeah. You know, if they get to the
Speaker 2: end of the summer and it's not much better for
Speaker 2: Austin and they don't really feel great about you know,
Speaker 2: the rookies and the young guys, Bolden dial those players. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's when that's when Elliott Wolf picks up the phone
Speaker 2: and calls an old friend.
Speaker 1: I feel like, can I give you one more player
Speaker 1: that's been good? And I kind of have a weird
Speaker 1: take about this. Yeah, I feel like as an and
Speaker 1: I don't know how much. They probably don't read our
Speaker 1: stuff a ton or at all.
Speaker 2: But like they read mine, they're used to.
Speaker 1: There used to be like around here, there's certain players
Speaker 1: that have a good camp that we just don't talk
Speaker 1: about them having a good camp because that's the expectation.
Speaker 1: They used to be like, like, we would never come
Speaker 1: in here back in the day and say you was
Speaker 1: having a really good camp. Julian Edelman who's on the
Speaker 1: ups Rob gron Count right, like, we would never do that,
Speaker 1: And I don't know, so those are the kind of
Speaker 1: guys you talk about us like core pieces. Where how
Speaker 1: many of those guys are here right now? I'm just
Speaker 1: thinking about it today. Juwan Bentley's been like really good
Speaker 1: in camp. He's been everywhere against the run, the defense.
Speaker 1: They had their first miscommunication today, but besides that, everything's
Speaker 1: been locked in and that's you know, him in the
Speaker 1: middle of it, and I'm thinking like, yeah, Juwan Bentley's
Speaker 1: kind of hit that level I think where he's a
Speaker 1: guy now that he's having a good camp really not
Speaker 1: worth bringing up. And I don't mean that as any
Speaker 1: disrespect to Juwan Bentley, and that's kind of why I
Speaker 1: wanted to bring this up. But it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: if I were to sit here and say, you know,
Speaker 1: he's having a good camp Juwan Bentley, you'd kind of
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, he's a good player.
Speaker 2: What's your point, right? So I said exactly.
Speaker 1: So it's it's I don't know how many of those
Speaker 1: guys do as you try to build back up, because
Speaker 1: there used to be a lot of those guys here,
Speaker 1: right We would never sit here and say Stefan Gilmore
Speaker 1: is having a great training camp. We might bring up
Speaker 1: good individual plays he made, but we would never be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: Gilmour trending to get like, no, he's good. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: how many of those guys do they have here right now?
Speaker 1: Bentley definitely feels like one of them. Thought Christian Zalez
Speaker 1: would be. He hasn't been being very harsh on Christian
Speaker 1: Zalez felgrin mascot in my head they ask me about him. Oh,
Speaker 1: Remandre has had a really good camp. But again, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna sit here and say Ramondre and Hunter Henry,
Speaker 1: like I would throw those guys in there. Maybe you
Speaker 1: can think of a few more. But some of them
Speaker 1: like Judon would be that guy.
Speaker 2: But he yeah, I would say probably like the Safeties
Speaker 2: like Duggar and Pepper's that's true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're kind of anointed. Yeah, at this point in
Speaker 1: my mind, all right, last down for me.
Speaker 2: I'm just sticking to the theme because frankly, I don't
Speaker 2: think that this has been a outside of juju. I
Speaker 2: guess like we didn't really have great expectations for anyway. Like,
Speaker 2: I don't feel like anybody that I had all these
Speaker 2: high expectations for has been a true down. Like I
Speaker 2: understand some people probably are like put Drake may on
Speaker 2: the downs, but like he's a rookie quarterback and like
Speaker 2: his first couple practices, right, I'm just not ready to
Speaker 2: go there yet, So I'll stick to the theme of
Speaker 2: the like Jaqeem Bell just not being healthy as a
Speaker 2: seventh round pick, Like that's tough, Like you get you know,
Speaker 2: it's another one of those guys that if you're gonna
Speaker 2: have any chance to make the team, you're gonna have
Speaker 2: to play, and you're gonna have to play well, and
Speaker 2: you're gonna have to flash and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: And you can't be hurt as a seventh round pick
Speaker 2: and make an NFL roster. That's not easy to do.
Speaker 2: And on the flip side, you know, Mitchell Wilcox has
Speaker 2: been involved a little bit. I think Michael Petway makes
Speaker 2: plays like I don't know, it's a tight end three, right,
Speaker 2: We're not talking about him jumping Hunter Henry on the
Speaker 2: depth chart or anything like that, but could they get
Speaker 2: Willcox Petway Like those guys maybe they only carry two
Speaker 2: tight ends and they just lean on the practice squad
Speaker 2: for some of these guys too, is probably what Bill
Speaker 2: would do. Honestly, you keep Henry Hooper right and then
Speaker 2: just dash whoever you can stash as game day, you know,
Speaker 2: the Matt Sokle of the world. I just you can't
Speaker 2: make the club the tub is though, is really the
Speaker 2: short way of saying all this with both him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't necessarily want to put like the injured guy.
Speaker 2: I'm with you on that.
Speaker 1: I didn't really want to put the injured guys on
Speaker 1: there just because they're you know, they're dealing. You can't
Speaker 1: make the club from the tub. But also, I mean
Speaker 1: it's football. Guys get hurt, you deal with stuff. But yeah,
Speaker 1: Mafi Belle, Jay Canrews I'd put on there. Like again,
Speaker 1: we're talking about Nick Leverett's kind of emerging and does
Speaker 1: he take that job.
Speaker 2: I'm trying. There's one other guy, who am I thinking of?
Speaker 2: Who's on pup or hurt or whatever? Oh well, Taki talkies,
Speaker 2: I'm been on pup.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that that should have been Mapu's chance to shine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know who's made the most of that, Brandon Schooler.
Speaker 2: What do you mean? No, Brendon's School has played a.
Speaker 1: Ton of defense in this camp, and he hasn't been bad.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying he's gonna and.
Speaker 1: He shouldn't make the rosters like I'm not he he
Speaker 1: goldn't play some defense this year, not a lot.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's good.
Speaker 1: Gerd Mayo said it. They're getting him ready to play defense.
Speaker 2: They have to get him ready because I think Mayo
Speaker 2: looks at it and says, you know, well, first of all,
Speaker 2: they might go light at safety, right because they just
Speaker 2: paid both those guys. Well, we'll let me play a time.
Speaker 1: We'll see what happens with Hawkins. But on that back end,
Speaker 1: like he's a free safety.
Speaker 2: Okay, who is your last down?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: Smith, Schuster, Mafia Austin, Oh right, you had to so
Speaker 1: you both got three?
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you know who is your third belt? Right?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Do you want to talk really quickly? We have we
Speaker 2: have one call. We have fifteen minutes left. So just
Speaker 2: you mentioned Christian Zalez, yeah, and Pilgrimazer in your head
Speaker 2: and now you're you're telling everybody he's actually a bust.
Speaker 2: So my two thoughts on Christian Zales. Yeah, I didn't
Speaker 2: realize as being that harsh. You're being harsh. One, I
Speaker 2: agree that he hasn't been like Straps on lock Down
Speaker 2: Stefan Gilmour in his prime. Yeah, he was probably had
Speaker 2: a better rookie camp than he had has had this
Speaker 2: camp so far. My my one, the one reason why
Speaker 2: I tell people not to panic is I do when
Speaker 2: I watch him, I feel like everything gets downloaded it
Speaker 2: into that in the computer in his head where like
Speaker 2: he's learning guys, he's like learning routes, he's learning what
Speaker 2: he can and can't do, like he's it's always feels
Speaker 2: like he's he's like in this this zone right where
Speaker 2: he's like thinking these things through, and a lot of
Speaker 2: times with corners, you know, in practice, it's it's a
Speaker 2: lot of trial and error of like, you know, can
Speaker 2: I do this? Like can I do that? You know
Speaker 2: that sort of thing. And I almost feel like he's
Speaker 2: so confident at this point that he belongs in the league,
Speaker 2: that he doesn't have anything to prove. Whereas his rookie
Speaker 2: season he he felt like he needed to solidify himself
Speaker 2: as an NFL player. Now he's an NFL player. And
Speaker 2: my guess is is that when he the light needs
Speaker 2: to turn on, you know, and he needs to hit
Speaker 2: that switch. I think I'll hit it.
Speaker 1: I also wonder if there's some of just he hasn't
Speaker 1: played competitive football in what ten months alone?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I asked him about that, like it maybe
Speaker 2: a little some sea legs. Yeah, you know, like trying
Speaker 2: to get the speed of the game back and all
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. I'm not worried about Christian Gonzales
Speaker 2: at all. I just feel like he's one of those guys.
Speaker 2: And he's also like a mild tempered guy. That game
Speaker 2: day is going to be a little bit different than
Speaker 2: for him than the processes. All right, you want to
Speaker 2: take this call first? Or kickers? Yeah, let's do Oh
Speaker 2: we're doing kickers.
Speaker 1: We have to.
Speaker 2: They've done special teams, have they?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 2: I fall asleep at that time. All right, Tommy's in Omaha.
Speaker 2: What's up Tommy?
Speaker 4: Hey, guys, how are we all today?
Speaker 2: Hey? Good? How are you.
Speaker 4: Good?
Speaker 1: Hey?
Speaker 4: I had a question for you. This is the first
Speaker 4: camp in memory that I've paid attt IT to where
Speaker 4: it seems like the offensive line sounds competent and the
Speaker 4: receivers sound competent. I guess my overlying question is, and
Speaker 4: y'all are seeing this in person compared to me all
Speaker 4: the way over here in Omaha. What is the biggest
Speaker 4: difference when it comes to the receivers an offensive line
Speaker 4: this year? Is it the maybe the attention to detail
Speaker 4: by the coaching staff and having more specialized coaches actually
Speaker 4: working with them hands on, or is it the change
Speaker 4: the offensive system as far as the responsibilities have gotten
Speaker 4: simpler and not as much as asked as the receivers
Speaker 4: and the offensive line.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a fair question, Tom, and thanks for the call.
Speaker 2: I the way I see it, just from an execution standpoint,
Speaker 2: it seems to me right now like the five guys
Speaker 2: are playing on a string like it doesn't feel like
Speaker 2: in other camps when we've watched their line the last
Speaker 2: couple of years, it feels like just a jumbled mess
Speaker 2: of blockers inside and the guys are not necessarily tied together.
Speaker 2: Right An offensive line is one of those positions where
Speaker 2: it's probably the only position really where it's a unit.
Speaker 2: It's not an individual, it's a five man unit that
Speaker 2: needs to be seeing it through the same set of
Speaker 2: eyes as Dante Scarnekia would say. And right now, I've
Speaker 2: liked what I've seen so far in the early going
Speaker 2: that they've been doing that now is that scheme is
Speaker 2: that coaching. It's kind of hard to say which one
Speaker 2: that is without being in the meetings and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: But whatever they're doing, it seems like they are more
Speaker 2: tied together than they have been the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: Speaking of Nebraska, by the way, you see their new quarterback. No,
Speaker 1: so they got this quarterback, Dylan Rayoli's the number one
Speaker 1: quarterback in the nation. He decommitted from Georgia to go
Speaker 1: to Nebraska. Yeah, there's a picture of him. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: just pull his picture up and show you on the air.
Speaker 2: So his whole thing.
Speaker 1: Is he's trying to be Patrick Mahomes. That's like I
Speaker 1: think I texted you this last night. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: be Kobe Bryant. No, but like he has the same
Speaker 1: daily routine, he has the same diet, he has the
Speaker 1: same quarterbacks coach.
Speaker 2: Does he sound like Kermit the Frog?
Speaker 1: He's probably trying to. He showed I texted you this
Speaker 1: picture last night. He showed up yesterday Evan at their facility.
Speaker 1: Same haircut, same facial hair, same sunglasses. That's not Patrick,
Speaker 1: that's not Patrick Mahomes. That's Dylan Rayle. And when you
Speaker 1: watched missus Mahomes. So I don't know if people can
Speaker 1: see this on camera when you watch him on the field,
Speaker 1: it's like the same interism. It's gonna be really because
Speaker 1: for you. I just brought it up because because he's
Speaker 1: from MoMA. I just brought up because I heard Nebraska
Speaker 1: and we have ten minutes to go. But it's also
Speaker 1: I don't know, we had some real stuff to talk
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 2: I know we did well.
Speaker 1: You got anoid with the kickers. It's gonna be interesting
Speaker 1: because we heard quarterback after quarterback trying to be brady.
Speaker 1: This is like, it made me feel old. Mahomes is
Speaker 1: a guy they're emulating. You're gonna really like Dylan Ray. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we have one email I want to get to.
Speaker 1: We have ten minutes, so I have a couple of
Speaker 1: minutes for the email and a couple of minutes for
Speaker 1: your kickers.
Speaker 2: All right, which one do you want to do first?
Speaker 2: Let's do the kickers. Let's let's get that out of
Speaker 2: the way. Go ahead, So tell me what you see.
Speaker 1: Chad Roylands twelve to thirteen. Joey slides eleven to thirteen.
Speaker 2: Chad Ryland, buy it in.
Speaker 1: He's doing something different with the ball because at least
Speaker 1: today in the last couple of days, the way it
Speaker 1: comes off his foot, it looks like it's gonna miss.
Speaker 2: And he's put like a curve on it, like a
Speaker 2: late curve on it. I don't know what that is.
Speaker 1: It's different, we'll see. I don't think either of them
Speaker 1: have separated though through through a week. I still think
Speaker 1: that thing's wide open.
Speaker 2: So we don't know, is what you're saying. We don't know.
Speaker 2: But they're actually kicking now. It's gonna be interesting. Slide
Speaker 2: puts some he puts some move on the ball. I'll
Speaker 2: say that it's gonna be interesting to see how they
Speaker 2: split those up in the preseason because remember like Ryland
Speaker 2: like didn't kick well, they only had like one field three.
Speaker 1: I guess hopefully they moved the ball a little bit better.
Speaker 1: You can kick some more females, all right.
Speaker 2: So we got an email here from Ben in the
Speaker 2: UK that asked, do you think that the a vp
Speaker 2: Ox Van Pelt scheme actually fitz Drake May's skill set
Speaker 2: and would he be better off of the more modern
Speaker 2: West Coast scheme. I think it's a really interesting question
Speaker 2: because I hand up fully thought that he was gonna
Speaker 2: be a great fit in the scheme. I was more
Speaker 2: thinking though about the early down shots right off of
Speaker 2: play action and stuff like that, and the moving pockets
Speaker 2: and the deep throws.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: The Browns I looked this up. We looked this up.
Speaker 2: I think last week that they were eighth in the
Speaker 2: league in a dot right among their quarterbacks. Like they were.
Speaker 2: They are a chuck it down the field type of team.
Speaker 2: And what better way to get the boast out of
Speaker 2: Drake May than to let him sling it down the field,
Speaker 2: which is what he does best. Now. Their passing game,
Speaker 2: like their traditional drop back pass game, no play action,
Speaker 2: is at its roots old school West Coast. It's really
Speaker 2: like Mike McCarthy Green Bay, West Coast, and those teams haven't.
Speaker 2: Necessarily there's two different West Coast branches. There's the Andy
Speaker 2: Reid branch right, which is over here, and that is
Speaker 2: what it's not my phrase. I'll give Lombardi credit. Michael
Speaker 2: Lombardi basically coined that as West Coast college right. So
Speaker 2: what that is it's essentially West Coast spread right. So
Speaker 2: they have spread elements, air raid elements within the framework
Speaker 2: of a West Coast offense. Then the other the other one.
Speaker 2: The other like the fork in the road right. The
Speaker 2: other is the Shanahan tree right. And they they have
Speaker 2: dressed up West the traditional West Coast with motion condensed forms.
Speaker 2: It's all about spacing right and creating space on the field.
Speaker 2: The Alex van Pelt offense and the Mike McCarthy offense
Speaker 2: in Dallas is lagging behind maybe a little bit. And
Speaker 2: this is one of the criticisms of the higher To
Speaker 2: begin with, they are still running the Bill Walsh West
Speaker 2: Coast offense for the most part, the old forty nine
Speaker 2: ers in the eighties West Coast offense. So he's not
Speaker 2: going to do the crazy motions that informations that Mike
Speaker 2: McDaniel and Shanahan and McVeigh do in La Floor. He's
Speaker 2: not going to do the air raid elements to spread
Speaker 2: RPO all that kind of stuff. My concern with Drake
Speaker 2: May is that to run the old school West Coast
Speaker 2: rhythm is so important. And remember we talked in the
Speaker 2: spring about left foot forward and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: All of that is there to design to create rhythm
Speaker 2: within the offense so that your steps sequence together and
Speaker 2: then line up with the routes in order to teach
Speaker 2: a quarterback that struggles with footwork to execute that kind
Speaker 2: of offense is giving me a little bit of concern
Speaker 2: with the fit. But my guess is is that if
Speaker 2: Alex van Pelt has the chops, is that the pivot
Speaker 2: is probably closer to the Red Tree because the Red
Speaker 2: Tree passing game is basically the same, but they spread
Speaker 2: the field more. It's Mahomes more in the gun. There's RPO,
Speaker 2: and then there's also playground. There's also second reaction, and
Speaker 2: all of the second reaction stuff that the Chiefs do
Speaker 2: with Patrick Mahomes is all scripted, Like that's not just
Speaker 2: like everybody just run around right, Like everybody has rules
Speaker 2: within the framework of the offense of like when Patrick
Speaker 2: Mahomes breaks the pocket, this is how we're going to
Speaker 2: get open for him down the field. There's nobody better
Speaker 2: at it than Kelsey. I think Kelsey's probably the best
Speaker 2: playground player receiver I've ever seen. Awesome at it. So
Speaker 2: what's the way that they go if they ask him
Speaker 2: to execute in a traditional West Coast and there's no
Speaker 2: read element to it and there's no Shanahan element to it,
Speaker 2: I think that there's gonna we're going to continue to
Speaker 2: see some of the things the issues that have popped up.
Speaker 2: So long winded answer to the question, is he a
Speaker 2: good fit in the system? Yes, if they cater it
Speaker 2: to him. If they are going to try to jam
Speaker 2: him into the McCarthy system, Uh, there could be some
Speaker 2: issues with that. And we're just that's case a quarterback.
Speaker 2: It's too early, Like it's too early to say that
Speaker 2: that's what they're going to do. But like a lot
Speaker 2: of the McCarthy stuff is really really based on timing
Speaker 2: and rhythm and getting the football out and that that
Speaker 2: is different, you know, than what they're asking him to
Speaker 2: do now. You know, I think Dak has gotten really
Speaker 2: good at it down there in Dallas over the last
Speaker 2: you know, year plus, So we'll see. But that's what
Speaker 2: I'm seeing with May right now, is that those elements
Speaker 2: of their drop back pass game are really asking him
Speaker 2: to play on time and when you're it's hard to
Speaker 2: do if you're that the type of quarterback.
Speaker 1: That he is. So I guess I'll just add to that.
Speaker 1: I think physically he's a fit. And this is something
Speaker 1: we talked about during the draft. The kind of throws
Speaker 1: you need to make, it's a lot over the middle
Speaker 1: between the numbers right to the deeper parts of the field.
Speaker 1: In that sense, he's a great fit because that's a
Speaker 1: lot of what he did at North Carolina. It's to
Speaker 1: your whole point everything you just said, it's the mental
Speaker 1: side of it where there needs to be maybe more
Speaker 1: of a marriage between what they want to do and
Speaker 1: what his skill set is.
Speaker 2: It's such a it's a perfect way of putting it,
Speaker 2: because like the areas of the field that they want
Speaker 2: to attack, or all areas that he that he loves
Speaker 2: to attack. But the problem is is that the way
Speaker 2: they get is the presentation of the play. It's the
Speaker 2: it's the drop, it's the timing of the route, it's
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff that right now is where
Speaker 2: he's having the most problem.
Speaker 1: Which again is not that unusual for any young quarterback.
Speaker 2: That was the whole thing with mac Jones.
Speaker 1: And I've seen people say, well, mac Jones was so
Speaker 1: good right away, and what does it mean that Drake
Speaker 1: May isn't when Mack wasn't good, Because that was the
Speaker 1: one thing mac Jones had figured it out before he
Speaker 1: got sped up beyond believe he knew what he was
Speaker 1: looking at coming in like few rookie quarterbacks do. The
Speaker 1: problem is he didn't have the physical traits to properly
Speaker 1: make make use of it.
Speaker 2: Benjamin buttoning this, it's gonna be in Revene. It's the
Speaker 2: exact opposite.
Speaker 1: But the difference is I would rather teach a guy
Speaker 1: with all the physical tools how to read a field
Speaker 1: than just hope a guy who can read the field
Speaker 1: magically develops these physical tools he's never had, because that's
Speaker 1: not gonna happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just hope that I've thought about this a
Speaker 2: little bit, as you can tell I. I you know,
Speaker 2: I love Shanahan. I love Shannan, but too much Shanahan, McVeigh, Lafloor, McDaniel.
Speaker 2: Those guys are brilliant offensive minds. And not that Andy
Speaker 2: Reid isn't right. But if I had to design an
Speaker 2: offense from the West Coast tree and add elements, I
Speaker 2: think it's probably easier to add the read elements than
Speaker 2: it is to the Shanahan elements, because the Shannan elements
Speaker 2: is all it's it's like it's complex, yeah, really complex. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So I think the read elements is more in there.
Speaker 2: You know, that's spread the field.
Speaker 1: Gun RPO probably in this specific case, it's probably closer
Speaker 1: to what he did at UNC.
Speaker 2: That's that's kind of what I'm getting at. Yeah, Phil Longo,
Speaker 2: Chip Lindsay were his two O c's at U n C.
Speaker 2: They're air raid guys. Chip Lindsay got mad at me
Speaker 2: when I called him an air raid guy, but no offense, Chip,
Speaker 2: you are an air raid guy.
Speaker 1: Well, Phil, Phil Longo's like one of the og did
Speaker 1: he He didn't coach for for Leech. He coached for
Speaker 1: one of one. I think the other guy. There's three,
Speaker 1: there's Hal Money and there's Mouse Davis. Yeah, we're the
Speaker 1: ones who taught Leech.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So in order to get to like the this
Speaker 2: is we're right now we're talking about base offenses. Yeah,
Speaker 2: in this time of training camp. Once like your two
Speaker 2: year three of Drake May, like once we start to
Speaker 2: get to like the advanced stage of his development, then
Speaker 2: I think we started talking about going branching into the
Speaker 2: red tree of things and adding UNC style spread air
Speaker 2: raid elements to the traditional West Coast and creating a
Speaker 2: West Coast college scheme here in New England, which is
Speaker 2: what would fit drink May perfectly. So they're getting there.
Speaker 2: It's early don't panic long ago did coach under Mike Leish,
Speaker 2: I had that wrong. He's at Wisconsin now, Yeah, so good,
Speaker 2: nice guy. I talked to him.
Speaker 1: Him and Wisconsin him in the Big Ten is gonna
Speaker 1: be interesting. Remember we did two years of Alabama by
Speaker 1: the offense? Yes, are we going to be unc a
Speaker 1: fly North Carolina by the offense?
Speaker 2: Well? In North Carolina's offense kind of like schematically kind
Speaker 2: of stunk. But like er rating it or like reading it,
Speaker 2: I think is probably would be more optimistic.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: I don't think you want to be North Carolina, but
Speaker 2: I think you definitely need to. You need to put
Speaker 2: some more college style elements, Like if you're gonna ask
Speaker 2: him to be pro style and you're gonna ask him
Speaker 2: to be this timing and rhythm quarterback, I do think
Speaker 2: early on, especially in his career, there's gonna be some
Speaker 2: issues with that because his timing and his anticipation just
Speaker 2: isn't there yet. Okay, here we go. I knew there
Speaker 2: was a connection. Can I remember what it was?
Speaker 1: Wongo never coached for Mike Leach, but like they were
Speaker 1: like friends and he got it from Leach, but he
Speaker 1: never worked for him.
Speaker 2: He learned it from Leach but like off the job. Yeah,
Speaker 2: all right, we gotta wrap. We'll be back next week.
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Speaker 2: we're gonna do the show at one o'clock next Wednesday
Speaker 2: to recap the days and we'll talk a little bit
Speaker 2: about the preseason game as well. I'm sure. Just a
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