WEBVTT - Patriots Catch-22 8/1: Takeaways from First Seven Camp Practices, Three Up/down for Camp so Far 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:10.440 This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan 0:00:10.520 --> 0:00:14.280 Lazar and Alex Barla and Lazarre. 0:00:14.360 --> 0:00:17.480 Hello, everybody nailed it, joined us always buying our bar 0:00:17.680 --> 0:00:23.080 gap kit gap match. Here is Evan Lazar and Alex 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:26.680 bars We went forty minutes without even mentioning Drake May's name. 0:00:26.680 --> 0:00:28.800 I think that guys talked abou him very briefly. That 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:31.320 that's what we do here. We talked about the third 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:32.760 running the third running. 0:00:32.479 --> 0:00:35.720 Back, and the nose tackles, and you and the maybe 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:37.320 linebacker safety. 0:00:37.320 --> 0:00:40.440 And and us trying to, you know, put our our 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:43.720 coaches hats on and talk about Marte Hafhu's role and 0:00:44.080 --> 0:00:46.879 you can save your quarterback, Tom. That's what we get. 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:52.000 Elsewhere where's our awards? Where is our awards? That's a 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:55.560 good question. I feel like we deserve we deserve an 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:58.560 award for for not leading with quarterbacks on this show. 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:01.080 And we're probably not gonna lead quarterbacks again. Like we'll 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:02.880 get to the court, we'll get to the quarter don't 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:05.800 get me wrong, but we're probably gonna talk about defensive 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:08.440 tackles honestly. Off the top of the show, So Evan Lasar, 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:10.520 Alex Bartha with you for the next couple of hours. 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:12.640 The phone lines are open. We'll get to you guys 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:16.039 in a bit. We're gonna probably run through some book 0:01:16.080 --> 0:01:17.760 keeping notes, as I like to say, and then I 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:20.160 also give some early takes and before we pick up 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:23.080 the phone, So just stay patient with us there. But 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:25.280 before we do that, let's pay some of the bills 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:27.160 and say, hey, Patriots fans. If you want to see 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:30.200 Toyota's best offers, including those not seen on TV, go 0:01:30.319 --> 0:01:33.200 to buy Toyota dot com, Toyota's official website for deals 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:36.479 for the official vehicle of the New England Patriots, Toyota, 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:39.240 Let's Go Places and bud Light, Easy to Drink, Easy 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:42.240 to Enjoy. Bud Light the official beer sponsor of the 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:45.399 New England Patriots. So we just watched this seventh training 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:49.240 camp practice for your New England Patriots out at jil Stadium, 0:01:49.280 --> 0:01:53.600 a very very hot day seven here at in Foxborough. 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:55.800 This was not that anybody cares, but this was the 0:01:55.880 --> 0:01:58.760 hottest day of the camp by far supposed to. Yeah, 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:02.000 this was this was true training camp weather where it 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:06.120 was hot as as heck out there and shells in 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:10.639 helmets today. But honestly, I feel like especially for the 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:12.799 passing game, Like it's not that all that different. Like 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:16.560 we're not in Ota mode where there's no pads whatsoever, 0:02:16.639 --> 0:02:18.200 and we're in shorts and the T shirts. Like you're 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:21.480 in shells, so you know, not quite as big as 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:24.560 your normal shoulder pads, but shoulder pads of some sort. 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:28.480 You just aren't in the full body armor. So it's 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:32.919 not all that different. I would say then the fully 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:35.919 padded practices in the past game. Obviously the run game 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:38.359 is a little bit different, but we still saw a 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:40.359 lot of pass game today. We'll talk about that, but 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:41.840 off the top, I do want to get to some 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:44.640 news items. Where do you want to start? So Judan 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:47.000 or Gotsha, I think Judon is probably more pertinent ye 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:51.000 to today. So Judon was out there a Patriots practice today. 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:54.880 He did participate. He was a participant in practice. Although 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:59.040 I didn't see him out there a ton, like you know, 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:00.920 he was out there and it wasn't that he wasn't 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:05.720 he wasn't not participating, but I wouldn't say that it 0:03:05.919 --> 0:03:08.880 was one hundred percent either, right, But he was a 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:11.840 full participant just in terms of all the drills, and 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:15.760 he was back out there Drodmeyo before practice mentioned that 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:18.840 they had some sort of meeting the two of them. 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:23.760 It didn't necessarily and this is purely speculative on my 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:29.320 part reading between the lines, It didn't necessarily feel contractual 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:31.120 that they were talking about, like, it didn't feel like 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:33.440 they were in a negotiation room with each other. It 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:37.200 more felt like, how do we amicably move forward? 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:37.480 Right? 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:43.000 Yeah, And he said they had a great conversation, told 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:45.760 us before practice that he expected Judon to practice in 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:50.760 Judon did it in fact practice. So long story short, 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:56.520 long waited, you know, opening here, gotscha gets paid, Judon 0:03:56.600 --> 0:03:59.680 still looking for his Where did the Patriots go from here? 0:04:00.000 --> 0:04:04.560 After Monday's dust up with Matt, Jared, Drod Mayo, Elliott Wolf, 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:07.400 matc Grow and Jude, I'm leaving practice and then coming 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:07.880 back today. 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:11.200 Yeah, that's a million dollar question, or probably more like 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:14.840 a fourteen fifteen, sixteen million dollar question, like I don't know, 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:17.880 you know, you walk away from what happened on Monday, 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:19.200 and then I think it was the right move to 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:21.320 not have him out there Tuesday, let the temperature come down. 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:23.440 But then yesterday he's on Twitter. 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:26.080 There's a report that they had offered him a contract 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:27.280 which apparently wasn't true. 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:28.640 And yeah, it's just like. 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:32.720 There's clearly issues here, there's clearly deep issues here. 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:33.200 Where do you go? 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:35.440 But he gets back out there today based off what 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:37.520 Jarrod Mayo said, I mean, the vibe kind of got 0:04:37.560 --> 0:04:39.160 from that, and I think he left it open a 0:04:39.200 --> 0:04:41.760 little of do interpretation that was probably on purpose, But 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:44.240 the vibe I got from that was kind of just 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:48.120 we're gonna forget about it. Right it happened. We're just 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:50.640 not gonna mention it. We're gonna move on and that's 0:04:50.680 --> 0:04:53.680 in the past. And that's probably the only way to 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:56.240 do it if you're gonna keep him here, because you 0:04:56.360 --> 0:05:00.680 and a player just openly subordinate a practice to then 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:04.400 turn around and reward that guy. Set's quite the president. 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:07.520 So I look, you're gonna have to get something done, 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:09.839 like he's clearly not gonna play under his current contract. 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:12.360 I think what's been and by the way, I thought 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:16.280 this was best for both sides before Monday, figure out 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:19.120 some sort of band aid to get through the rest 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:21.000 of this year, and then at the end of the 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:22.200 season you go your separate ways. 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:25.240 I think that's what's best for both parties now more 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:28.720 than ever, Yeah, I'm with you. I've been saying for 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:31.920 a while now that my solution to this problem for 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:35.240 the Patriots is going the route of tacking on an 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:38.400 incentive package onto his current contract that would be likely 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:43.200 to be earned for him, you know things technically this 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:45.880 kind of confusing minuitia, but technically they would be not 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:48.240 likely to be earned just because of how little he 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:51.200 played last year. But in the grand scheme of things, 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:54.080 it's like, if you play more games than you did 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:57.680 last year, well, odds are he's gonna do that. If 0:05:57.720 --> 0:05:59.839 you had more sacks than you did last year, odds 0:05:59.839 --> 0:06:02.320 are he's gonna do that. You know, maybe there's a 0:06:02.360 --> 0:06:05.560 bigger kicker for like double digit sacks Pro Bowl, you know, 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:08.760 something like that, and you go that direction and that 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:11.440 way there it gets him on board for the short term. 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:15.560 Maybe you do revisit a trade at the deadline if 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:18.520 you're out of it, which some expect them to be 0:06:19.120 --> 0:06:22.400 if they're I think the deadlines a right around Halloween, right, 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:26.000 it's like November. It's actually I think it's on election 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:29.680 Day this year. It's like early November, and you know, 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:32.200 maybe seven eight weeks into the season. If you're two 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:36.799 and six at that point and it's really a complete reset, 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:39.920 rebuild year. Then maybe you look to trade him to 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:42.400 a contender at that point, you know, the Niners call 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:46.240 or Cincinnati calls or whatever, and you're able to deal 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:49.800 him at that point. That way, there he gets to contender, 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:52.160 maybe they work out an extension with him once he 0:06:52.200 --> 0:06:54.680 gets to his new landing spot, and he's probably more 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:57.480 likely to earn all those incentives because he's going to 0:06:57.560 --> 0:07:01.920 go play real football down the stretch. So everybody in 0:07:02.040 --> 0:07:04.920 that case is somewhat happy. I understand from his perspective 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:08.160 that he probably wants more long term security than that, 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:11.200 But the reality is is that it sets him up 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:12.880 to hit the open market next year. If he has 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:15.480 a good year this year, he might get that, you 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:19.400 know Zadarius Smith contract, like a two year, twenty five 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:22.680 million dollar deal. Maybe more like he could even go 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:25.400 and do the Jadeveon Clowney pass rush for a higher 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:28.240 thing where he's just signing one year deals with contenders 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:31.320 every year. Yeah. Yeah. So the good news is in 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:34.120 the short term, very very short term, is that it 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:38.240 seems like him and Mayo have come to an agreement 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:41.320 to that. Matthew Junon is not going to be hopefully 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:43.440 not going to be into distraction like he was the 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:49.000 other day, and we've gotten to that point. Related to that, obviously, 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:52.680 is the news yesterday, which we all when Drew Rosenhaus 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:54.960 was here the other day, you could smell something was coming, right, 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:58.200 it seemed pretty obvious and we all kind of saw 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:01.160 this coming. But Devon Godshaw signs a two year extension 0:08:01.240 --> 0:08:04.760 with the Patriots. He seems happy. Spoke after practice today, 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:07.560 you know, like he said, not as happy as I 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:10.240 could have been, because no one everyone always wants more money. 0:08:10.280 --> 0:08:12.080 We want more money in our jobs. He wants more 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:15.040 money in his but he seems taken care of for 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:19.000 the short term as well. What we're not even about 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:20.640 the process of how we got here. Think we're over 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:23.920 that now, but just what is your impression of paying 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:28.240 Devon Godsha. And we should mention that this deal is 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:31.360 the money that is going to get push to the 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:33.679 twenty twenty five is expected to be light right, Like 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:36.480 it's not going to be a significant amount on their 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:38.880 twenty twenty five cap in terms of guaranteed money, but 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:42.240 you are committed to Devon Gotsha for this year, and 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:44.800 if there's a decent amount of guaranteed money next year 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:47.560 a chunk, I should say, then you probably have him 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:49.199 on your roster in twenty five as well. 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:52.040 Yeah, I kind of feel the same way about this 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:55.959 as I did about the Remonders Evens contract, where I 0:08:55.960 --> 0:08:57.360 don't know if I would have done it. I just 0:08:57.440 --> 0:08:59.800 they talk about being more aggressive, little bit older guy, 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:03.319 or a scheme specific or situation specific. 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:04.120 Player, not that Remondre is. 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:05.040 But at the end of the day, it's just like 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:07.920 those are the reasons why I maybe would have and 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:10.920 you can get good defensive tackles, Like I maybe would 0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:14.439 have moved on, But it's not enough money for me 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:16.520 to get worked up about it. Like I don't think 0:09:16.600 --> 0:09:20.480 they handcuffed themselves really at all with this contract. Yeah, 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:22.720 if he's a good player, it's gonna look brilliant if 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:24.640 he continues to be a good player for them. If not, 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:27.800 it's not a ton of money, the terms not a lot. 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:30.439 You can still they absolutely have the flexibility to go 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:32.439 in another direction if they need to go in another direction. 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:34.880 So I don't know, I don't mind it. Like I 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:35.600 don't hate the move. 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:37.600 I probably wouldn't have done it, but I also don't 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:40.520 think there's really any significant downside there. 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:43.400 So I feel two ways about this, and in like 0:09:43.679 --> 0:09:46.199 my class half full, my glass half empty, take on it, 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:48.760 my glass half full, take on it is exactly what 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:51.800 you just said, which is right now according to over 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:55.640 the cap And this didn't necessarily factor in the Godschaw 0:09:55.840 --> 0:09:58.079 extension yet when I looked at it. But it's not 0:09:58.200 --> 0:09:59.920 going the Gotshaw extension is not going to take the 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:02.640 from seventy eight million dollars in cap space next offseason 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:04.760 to forty Like it's not that big of a deal, right, 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:08.559 So we're talking about something that's marginal. So let's just 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:11.760 call it north of seventy million dollars in cap space 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:14.960 next year. And that's a luxury of having a rookie 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:18.240 quarterback on a rookie contract. But it's also the reality 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:19.640 of the fact that you don't have a ton of 0:10:20.000 --> 0:10:21.520 top end talent that are high priced. 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:23.320 It's like, yeah, but at the same time, they've gotten 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:25.200 all these extensions done, Like who. 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:27.280 Are there penning free agents? Yeah they are. It's like 0:10:27.480 --> 0:10:32.680 Jonathan Jones and yeah, is that it Judon judeon right? Yeah? Yeah. 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:36.000 So the point is on the glass half full side, 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:41.280 is that it will not be Their cap is not 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:43.760 going to be a problem next year for them adding 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:47.160 significant talent to this roster. Now, I can't sit here 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:49.600 on the on the show and promise that the cash 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:52.400 isn't going to be the problem, right, but the cap 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:54.319 is not going to be the problem. So if you're 0:10:54.360 --> 0:10:56.880 one of those these people that are like worried that 0:10:56.960 --> 0:10:59.480 they paid Devon Godshaw and now they're not going to 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:03.079 go out in trade for Brandon Nyuk in the off season, 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:06.000 are signed to Higgins in the off season, those two 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:10.040 things are not necessarily directly correlated unless you're a cash 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:13.680 person you're worried about Robert Kraft literally cutting a check 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:17.120 for Brandon Nyuk. If you're in that school thought, then 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:21.520 they've spent some money this year. They're top ten right now, 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:24.240 and cash spent for this team this year. They're going 0:11:24.280 --> 0:11:26.400 to be a little bit higher now at Devon Godshaw's deal, 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:29.000 and probably a little bit higher with Matthew Judon's deal 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:31.960 if it does get done. So there are some concerns 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:35.760 about it from that respect. From a player perspective, like 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:39.360 an on the field scheme perspective, I actually don't hate 0:11:39.440 --> 0:11:42.480 keeping him around. They were the number three run defense 0:11:42.520 --> 0:11:44.199 in the league by DVA last year. One of the 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:46.559 best in the league at stopping the run. He plays 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:48.480 a very important role we know that is a two 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:52.000 gapping nose tackle. I guess Jeremiah Farms was probably the 0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:54.560 closest thing that they had to him on the roster. 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:57.880 But I think there's a drop off there between Jeremiah 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:00.360 Farms and Devon Godshaw. So what I'm getting at with 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:03.600 that is that I look at it almost like it's 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:06.520 a boat. Like it's a canoe where we're riding this 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:09.240 different the boat of the Mystery Box. Yeah, we're riding 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:13.040 this this canoe up the Charles River. And the Patriots 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:16.719 canoe has holes in it. It's taken on water. Right 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:21.960 quarterback until proven otherwise, receiver until proven otherwise, left tackle 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:25.000 till proven otherwise. We have this boat with all these holes. 0:12:25.640 --> 0:12:29.320 If they started to tear down this roster and they 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:32.880 take the Devon Godshot piece out, and they take the 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:35.040 Kyle Duggar piece out, and they take the mic On 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:37.880 Winnu piece out, and they take the Remondra Stevenson piece out, 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:39.880 now all of a sudden, your canoe is not just 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:42.839 taking on water. Now you're underwater, and I think what 0:12:42.920 --> 0:12:48.240 they're what they've done is that they've reinforced what's left 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:51.480 of the canoe. And yeah, and now what they have 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:54.400 to do is they have to go out and plug 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:57.400 the holes that are already pre existing. And and to 0:12:57.520 --> 0:13:01.120 that end, they haven't gotten there yet. They're not where. 0:13:01.240 --> 0:13:03.839 We haven't checked that box yet. But a lot of 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:09.199 these people that are lamenting extending or resigning players that 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:11.839 were part of afore win football team last year, well 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:13.920 you have to also look at it from the perspective 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:16.960 of if you take all those players out of this roster, 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:19.720 then you have even more holes and even further play. 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:22.360 You're even further away from being competitive at that point. 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:25.679 So that's how I look at Devon Godshaw too. You know, 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:28.800 Devone Godshaw is a good early down run, stuffing nose 0:13:28.840 --> 0:13:31.640 tackle in your defense. If you pull him that django 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:33.880 piece out, now that the tower starts to get a 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:37.679 little lobbily, right, right. So that's a big part of 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:40.599 it too. Uh So I don't hate I think of 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:43.400 the remondre comp is good too, Like I don't love 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:47.559 playing a situation paying a situational player in today's NFL 0:13:47.600 --> 0:13:50.559 when the situation is run stopping. I don't love it, 0:13:51.080 --> 0:13:53.400 but at the same time I can understand where they're 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:56.560 coming from that they didn't want to create another hole 0:13:56.600 --> 0:13:57.000 in the boat. 0:13:57.440 --> 0:13:57.560 Right. 0:13:57.960 --> 0:14:00.559 So that that's where we're out with that last bit 0:14:00.640 --> 0:14:03.319 of news here right before we got on the air. Actually, 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:07.280 Mike Purcell, who is a I think it's Percell, Percell 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:10.160 person Percell, for sure, it's Percell. We'll get the Purcell. 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:14.200 So Mike Purcell, for it was with the Denver Broncos 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:16.360 last year, had a cup of coffee with the Patriots 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:19.240 in the twenty seventeen season on their practice squad. But 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:21.880 this is a guy with some NFL production and is 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:24.760 an NFL player, you know, played a decent amount of snaps. 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:27.120 I think it was four hundred and something snaps last 0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:29.880 year for the Denver Broncos. So when I look at 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:32.560 this deal with him, he's a bigger guy, you know. 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:32.760 Not. 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:36.520 This isn't a This isn't a Daniel Qualley, right, this 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:40.880 is a three pound listed at three eight. Yeah, into 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:44.880 your defensive lineman. I look at their base front, their 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:47.960 base defensive line on first down, and when you pull 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:50.000 the Christian Barmore piece out of that which is just 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:52.480 we haven't talked about that actually on the show. 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:55.160 I mean, there's not much you know, we're gonna address 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:56.680 football side of but like it sucks, you hope the 0:14:56.720 --> 0:15:00.800 dude on his twenty fifth birthday, man, hope he's yeah. 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:03.520 I hope he's doing all right. Uh And from a 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:06.320 football side of it, like you said, it sucks when 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:10.080 you pull him out though. Just again, no one's Christian Barmore. 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:13.160 No one's saying is Mike Purcell is Christian Barmore? Okay, 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:16.600 But when I did this yesterday when they re signed Godshaw, 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:19.160 I tweeted out what I thought was probably going to 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:21.960 be their starting base nickel, their three three five based 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:27.000 nickel team, and that weak side three four end spot. 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:30.960 You have Dietrich Wise and you have Davon Godshaw. You 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:32.480 know those two guys are probably gonna be on the 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:36.440 field on first down. The third spot? Is it Keon White? 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:42.480 Is it armand Watts? Is it Jeremiah Farms? Is it 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:46.720 Daniel Aqualae? Like that's that spot is right now because 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:49.480 Barmore was supposed to be there, and now that Barbour 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:52.560 is not there at least for the foreseeable future, there's 0:15:52.600 --> 0:15:56.880 a pretty massive void to fill there. A guy like Purcell, 0:15:57.000 --> 0:16:00.960 to me, is someone that can come in and stop 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:03.040 to run a little bit on first down, so that 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:05.640 maybe you can go to like still a pretty big 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:09.720 front in that odd front right where you still have 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:12.320 a three hundred and twenty pound guy similar to maybe 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:14.560 more so to like a Lawrence guy than a than 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:18.520 a Christian Barmore. And that that to me is what 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:20.960 that spells, is that, Okay, you know with Keon White, 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:25.320 splashier player, but two hundred and eighty five, two hundred 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:27.840 and eighty pounds on first down, teams are going to 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:29.800 target him in the run game. They're gonna run right 0:16:29.840 --> 0:16:32.240 at them, right that that's gonna be problematic for us. 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:36.320 We don't really think that a quality or armand Watts 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:38.760 are early down players. You think of those guys more 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:42.800 as interior pass rushers in obvious passing situations. So a 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:45.600 guy like Purcell, I think, can come in and be 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:49.120 sort of that base three four end which they are 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:51.200 missing now obviously without Barmark. 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:52.960 And look, he can play on the nose too if 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:55.680 you need him, and gives them some depth with Jeremi 0:16:55.920 --> 0:16:56.640 Jeremiah Farms. 0:16:56.680 --> 0:16:58.400 Really there are only no other nose tackles. 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:01.280 I said, like Daniel Aquali's here, but he's more of 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:05.160 an attacking up field, aggressive defensive tackle. 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:07.160 I put Tristan Hill in that category. Two. 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:09.159 Yeah, I'm honestly not as familiar Tristan Neil, but like 0:17:09.200 --> 0:17:11.480 three hundred ten pounds, he's not a nose now and 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:12.919 he looks like like. 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:13.600 A leaner guy. 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:15.840 Yeah, he doesn't look there would be some upside that 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:17.480 he's an interesting players, a second round pick. 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:21.040 Yeah, we definitely talked about Tristan Hill in that draft 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:25.200 that he was. Yeah, you know, we kicked around. 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:27.000 But if you're talking about you know, I wass go 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:29.480 back to Danny Shelton. Do you have just a big 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:30.960 body you can put in the middle and get in 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:33.760 the way, And I mean that's Devon Godshaw, But if 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:36.359 you know you want depth there, it's physical position or 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:37.879 like you said, you want to put another guy on 0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:40.760 the edge, it's it was really Jeremiah Farms. It's the 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:43.520 only other guy they've had in that mold. And at 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:46.119 the very least, Percelle gives you another option. You know, 0:17:46.200 --> 0:17:48.520 whether he makes the team or not, he's certainly somebody 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:50.560 that think would be a practice squad candidate. Yeah, if 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:52.280 they end up sticking with Farms on the roster, but 0:17:52.359 --> 0:17:53.840 gives them another big body in the middle. 0:17:53.960 --> 0:17:58.199 Yep, absolutely, all right, last bit of uh, I think 0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:00.560 we covered all of it. Oh, David Andrews back at 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:05.240 practice today. That's good to see his wife. Actually, just 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:08.760 I don't know which social media platform they all blent together. 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:11.760 I think it was Instagram. She posted a quick update 0:18:11.800 --> 0:18:13.760 about their son and said that he's out of the 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:15.920 hospital and it seems like he he just had a 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:17.800 virus and he's going to be okay. So that's great 0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:21.040 news to hear. But that that's a way of telling 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:23.040 you that this was a personal reason that he missed 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:25.440 the last couple of practices. Yeah, and not of he 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:25.800 said that. 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:27.840 He said that during his availability to his son was 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:29.359 in the hospital. Yeah, so I think he said he 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:30.440 was expecting him home today. 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:34.400 Yeah. So yeah, so this wasn't anything physical with David Andrews. 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:38.080 So he was back out there again today. And then 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:41.359 you mentioned we well, in the in the open, we 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:45.440 had this great Marte Mopho segment where we had this 0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:49.639 this super hybrid role planned for Marte mop Who that 0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:52.240 was going to make him a star and then he 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:56.119 has some sort of injury that has not and has 0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:59.439 not practiced in a couple of days now and has 0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:02.439 been out there taking mental reps but has not actually 0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:06.920 participated in practice since when I want to say, we're 0:19:07.000 --> 0:19:08.920 going on three or four practices now that he hasn't 0:19:08.960 --> 0:19:12.800 been practicing, and for him, we're gonna do three up, 0:19:12.800 --> 0:19:15.360 three down as well from our our first seven days 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:20.119 of camp. But that one is it's tough as a 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:22.359 second year player trying to make a roster, trying to 0:19:22.359 --> 0:19:23.920 carve out a role, to not be out there. And 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:26.879 if you feel for him, because he looks he looks 0:19:27.119 --> 0:19:29.399 like it visually right, you know when you watch him 0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:31.639 out there at practice, how frustrated he is that he 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:33.840 can't be out there. So that's a little bit of 0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:36.840 a bookkeeping. I do want to talk about the quarterbacks 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:38.600 before we get into the emails and the calls, and 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:41.240 again see your calls up there. We're gonna get you 0:19:41.280 --> 0:19:43.560 guys in the second eight five to five. Pass five 0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:46.440 hundred is the phone number in web radio at Patriots 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:48.960 dot Com is the email address. But I want to 0:19:48.960 --> 0:19:52.440 talk a little bit about the quarterbacks, and I'm just 0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:55.119 gonna come out and say it. Benvolan of the Boston 0:19:55.200 --> 0:19:58.760 Globe has caused quite a stir. I would say it's 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:02.840 fair to put it because he wrote in his analysis 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:06.120 that he feels as though Joe Milton has been better 0:20:06.720 --> 0:20:09.200 than Drake May in training camp. And he said that 0:20:09.280 --> 0:20:12.080 you wouldn't know which one was the third overall pick 0:20:12.119 --> 0:20:16.680 and which one was the sixth round pick. Now, there 0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:20.960 is definitely some element truth that Joe Milton has been 0:20:21.040 --> 0:20:23.720 better than expected. I think he has. I think that's 0:20:23.760 --> 0:20:26.080 how I would put it. He's been better than I expected, 0:20:26.800 --> 0:20:33.600 and he, no doubt is a terrific quarterback from a 0:20:33.640 --> 0:20:38.560 physical tools perspective. That arm is as advertised and maybe 0:20:38.680 --> 0:20:39.439 then some yeah. 0:20:39.320 --> 0:20:41.199 Do you understand now? I was kind of geeked up 0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:41.600 about him. 0:20:42.800 --> 0:20:46.160 It's the and granted I'm not I'm not an elder 0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:48.720 statesman yet, so it's only it's my seventh training camp. 0:20:48.760 --> 0:20:51.560 I'm I'm not you know someone that's seen thirty of 0:20:51.600 --> 0:20:54.399 these or something like that. But that's the livest arm 0:20:54.440 --> 0:20:56.880 I've ever seen. And it's not just the deep ball, 0:20:57.040 --> 0:20:59.040 it's like it's the way he can drive the ball. 0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:00.520 He had a throw today where I mean it was 0:21:00.560 --> 0:21:02.480 like a fifteen yard throw, but he had this tiny 0:21:02.560 --> 0:21:05.360 window to put it in and just I mean got 0:21:05.400 --> 0:21:05.680 it there. 0:21:05.840 --> 0:21:09.879 Yeah, it the ball When when we say he's one 0:21:09.880 --> 0:21:11.840 of the scouting cliches and we say the ball jumps 0:21:11.840 --> 0:21:14.880 out of his hand explodes, Yeah, this guy. The ball 0:21:15.000 --> 0:21:18.919 explodes out of his hand like a freaking cannon. Absolutely, 0:21:19.600 --> 0:21:22.400 and there's no doubt about it. Now. We talked about 0:21:22.440 --> 0:21:24.720 this a little bit on Patriots Unfiltered after the draft, 0:21:24.760 --> 0:21:27.240 and maybe we kicked it around here too. This is 0:21:27.320 --> 0:21:32.960 exactly what I was concerned about going in was and 0:21:33.080 --> 0:21:36.240 it's not a shot at volin. But when you watch 0:21:36.359 --> 0:21:40.680 these two guys in practice, there isn't a big difference 0:21:40.720 --> 0:21:43.600 from a physical tools perspective in the two guys. And 0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:46.840 we knew that coming in because his nickname is literally 0:21:46.960 --> 0:21:50.000 Bazuoka Joe, so we knew he was gonna look impressive 0:21:50.320 --> 0:21:53.520 in the red non contact jersey when he has a 0:21:53.720 --> 0:21:57.160 huge arm, He's six five, two hundred and thirty five 0:21:57.240 --> 0:22:02.000 pounds out there doing backflips and pads. He's an impressive athlete, 0:22:02.080 --> 0:22:05.640 There's no doubt about that. And I sort of expected 0:22:05.680 --> 0:22:08.560 this to happen, but at the same time, I don't 0:22:08.600 --> 0:22:13.320 think that all of the all the worries about Drake May, 0:22:13.400 --> 0:22:15.399 I don't think are necessarily where I'm at with it 0:22:15.600 --> 0:22:18.720 with him. I think the biggest thing is just to 0:22:19.080 --> 0:22:22.119 kind of spell it out. This offense that they're running 0:22:22.160 --> 0:22:24.720 with Alex Van Pelt reminds me and and really the 0:22:24.760 --> 0:22:26.919 bones of their passing game have pretty much lined up 0:22:26.960 --> 0:22:30.800 exactly to Mike McCarthy's offense, and that's obviously where Van 0:22:30.840 --> 0:22:33.639 Pelt learned it from in gam Bay. They are a 0:22:33.720 --> 0:22:38.480 West Coast offense. They are a timing based passing game. 0:22:39.520 --> 0:22:42.680 Now they have the under center stuff to play action stuff, 0:22:42.760 --> 0:22:44.680 the boots and all that kind of stuff, but I'm 0:22:44.760 --> 0:22:47.800 talking about when it's third and six. You know, when 0:22:48.240 --> 0:22:50.440 they're in the gun, they're in they're passing the football 0:22:50.520 --> 0:22:53.760 for real. They are a timing and rhythm based pass game. 0:22:54.080 --> 0:22:56.480 It's West Coast. It's you know, five step drop, three 0:22:56.520 --> 0:23:00.840 step drop, get the ball out. And that is something 0:23:00.960 --> 0:23:03.879 that we knew coming in with his footwork and with 0:23:04.000 --> 0:23:06.639 his rhythm and his drops, that Drake May was going 0:23:06.680 --> 0:23:08.680 to need to work on and the things that I 0:23:08.760 --> 0:23:10.240 saw from him earlier in the week, and it was 0:23:10.400 --> 0:23:12.240 it was better today, and I want to get to 0:23:12.320 --> 0:23:15.480 that the things that I was seeing from him earlier 0:23:15.520 --> 0:23:18.960 in the week were a quarterback that was still trying 0:23:19.000 --> 0:23:22.440 to time up everything and that wasn't necessarily seeing the 0:23:22.520 --> 0:23:25.840 field quickly enough or seeing it well enough. Because of 0:23:26.080 --> 0:23:29.200 the fact that this offense is very much a rhythm 0:23:29.280 --> 0:23:34.200 based offense. I think that that's why it's looked at 0:23:34.320 --> 0:23:37.920 times that Joe Milton has been ahead of him. It's 0:23:37.960 --> 0:23:42.639 also looked very clear to me that Jacoby Brissett is well. 0:23:42.720 --> 0:23:44.920 Jacoby Brissett's also so I think a lot of this 0:23:45.080 --> 0:23:47.840 has to do and look does it. Drake May struggled 0:23:47.840 --> 0:23:49.359 the last two days. He was better today and I 0:23:49.400 --> 0:23:51.480 don't want to take away from that, but I think 0:23:51.560 --> 0:23:54.400 some of this also has to do with compared to expectations. 0:23:54.920 --> 0:23:59.959 Joe Milton has been better than expected, Jacoby Brissett has 0:24:00.200 --> 0:24:03.800 been better than expected. Drake May has not done as 0:24:03.800 --> 0:24:07.359 well as expected. But the difference is, especially when it 0:24:07.400 --> 0:24:12.119 comes to May and Milton. Joe Milton's bar was not 0:24:12.320 --> 0:24:14.160 nearly in the same place as Drake May's bond. 0:24:14.240 --> 0:24:15.960 It's a good point, and I also think when it. 0:24:15.960 --> 0:24:19.080 Comes to Brisset, you hear about the gap and people 0:24:19.119 --> 0:24:21.639 talk about the gap between May and Bursett and it 0:24:21.760 --> 0:24:24.239 being bigger than we expected, and it is bigger than 0:24:24.280 --> 0:24:27.159 we expect, but that's not just because of Drake May. 0:24:27.440 --> 0:24:30.200 I would argue that's more because of Jacoby Burssett in 0:24:30.320 --> 0:24:33.840 him exceeding exceeding expectations than it is where Drake May 0:24:33.960 --> 0:24:36.119 is at. So it's just kind of this perfect storm 0:24:36.359 --> 0:24:40.639 of Joe Milton hasn't been better than Drake May. I 0:24:40.680 --> 0:24:43.840 don't think when you factor in the reps he's getting 0:24:43.840 --> 0:24:47.920 who he's going with, et cetera, etc. All that, But 0:24:48.160 --> 0:24:52.280 Joe Milton compared to his expectations does look more impressive 0:24:52.640 --> 0:24:55.239 than Drake May compared to his. If you flip them, 0:24:55.960 --> 0:24:58.360 we'd be panicking about Joe Milton right now and we'd 0:24:58.400 --> 0:24:59.800 be saying Drake May is holding his own. 0:24:59.800 --> 0:25:03.239 So, oh yeah, it's a different they at a different bar, right. 0:25:03.320 --> 0:25:06.239 There's there's context there when you say Joe Milton has 0:25:06.280 --> 0:25:10.080 been better than Drake May. There is a context in 0:25:10.160 --> 0:25:12.240 which that's true. I just don't think it's the context 0:25:12.320 --> 0:25:14.120 that's relevant from a football standpoint. 0:25:14.160 --> 0:25:19.359 Yeah, I would also say that there to me, just 0:25:19.520 --> 0:25:21.760 charting some of the plays that they ran for both guys. 0:25:22.200 --> 0:25:24.480 I do see a little bit of a difference in 0:25:24.600 --> 0:25:25.920 the plays that they're. 0:25:25.760 --> 0:25:28.200 Asking when I'm talking about like the kind of reps. 0:25:28.280 --> 0:25:32.240 Yeah, yeah, you know, they haven't put Joe Milton under 0:25:32.320 --> 0:25:36.000 center nearly as much as they've done with Drake. Drake 0:25:36.080 --> 0:25:39.440 may to me, is running the full gamut of the 0:25:39.480 --> 0:25:43.120 Alex Van Pelt offense, and they're going to see instead 0:25:43.119 --> 0:25:49.320 of instead of adding if they decide to start Drake Mayo, 0:25:49.520 --> 0:25:51.800 or at what point they do decide to start Drake 0:25:51.880 --> 0:25:54.400 may this year, there, I believe are going to They're 0:25:54.440 --> 0:25:57.359 going to subtract from this point. So they threw it 0:25:57.440 --> 0:26:00.359 all at him and to see what sticks. And then 0:26:00.440 --> 0:26:03.600 let's say, come week one against the Bengals, for whatever reason, 0:26:03.640 --> 0:26:07.000 whether he outplays, perset is not available, whatever, they have 0:26:07.119 --> 0:26:09.640 to play him in Week one against the Bengals, You're 0:26:09.680 --> 0:26:11.680 probably going to get a stripped down version of what 0:26:12.359 --> 0:26:15.520 their whole the birth of their offense actually is. Right, 0:26:15.640 --> 0:26:17.919 and then they would only call they'd have a script 0:26:17.920 --> 0:26:19.959 where they would only call plays, you know, the fifteen 0:26:20.000 --> 0:26:22.760 to twenty plays that he feels comfortable running at this point, 0:26:23.040 --> 0:26:26.440 instead of giving him the full gamut. Whereas with with 0:26:26.560 --> 0:26:29.520 Joe Milton, I've seen a lot more of the type 0:26:29.520 --> 0:26:32.840 of stuff he was more doing a Tennessee like spread rpo, 0:26:33.400 --> 0:26:34.119 you know that kind of thing. 0:26:34.640 --> 0:26:36.680 You think we see the wide splits in a preseason game. 0:26:36.800 --> 0:26:40.040 No, but you brought up the preseason. I think that's important. 0:26:40.840 --> 0:26:43.240 I'm sure Drake May will play it in the preseason, 0:26:43.840 --> 0:26:46.200 but I should. But my guess is that in order 0:26:46.280 --> 0:26:49.720 to have Joe Milton succeed in the preseason, this is 0:26:49.760 --> 0:26:51.920 how they're gonna call it. Right, They're gonna call it 0:26:52.119 --> 0:26:54.840 with a little bit more gun, a little bit more rpo, 0:26:55.240 --> 0:27:00.239 a little bit more Tennessee style college style, whereas they 0:27:00.359 --> 0:27:02.800 really want Drake May operating their full game into their 0:27:02.880 --> 0:27:06.000 pro style system. So it's a little bit different. It's 0:27:06.040 --> 0:27:08.120 not apples to apples in terms of what they're being 0:27:08.160 --> 0:27:10.240 asked to do, who they're playing with, all those kinds 0:27:10.240 --> 0:27:13.560 of things. But it is fair to say that Drake 0:27:13.680 --> 0:27:17.680 has I want to I want to say disappointing, like underwhelming, disappointing, 0:27:17.720 --> 0:27:18.920 like those are the kind of the words I'm thinking, 0:27:18.920 --> 0:27:21.400 because it's not been terrible, and I do think it's 0:27:21.400 --> 0:27:23.359 important to say that he's been better today or he 0:27:23.400 --> 0:27:24.840 will well. Just to that point. 0:27:24.960 --> 0:27:27.040 I think some of it is how you phrase again, 0:27:27.480 --> 0:27:30.119 like how you phrase it, because I've heard behind schedule 0:27:30.200 --> 0:27:32.639 used a lot. Yeah, if we're talking about and I 0:27:32.720 --> 0:27:35.639 know you want this, yes, but if we're talking about 0:27:36.080 --> 0:27:39.399 week one and him starting week one, yes, Drake May 0:27:39.480 --> 0:27:41.280 is behind schedule. If the plan is for him to 0:27:41.320 --> 0:27:44.399 be the starter week one, he's behind schedule. But the 0:27:44.520 --> 0:27:47.560 reality is it's probably not the plan, and you can 0:27:47.680 --> 0:27:49.760 argue it shouldn't be. If the plan is for him 0:27:49.800 --> 0:27:53.200 to take over at some point during the season, he's 0:27:53.240 --> 0:27:55.879 Bowery should be like, it's a learning process, right, and 0:27:56.680 --> 0:27:58.560 so it I feel like a lot of people are 0:27:58.600 --> 0:28:03.159 disappointed because they heard you and others like you gassing 0:28:03.320 --> 0:28:06.359 up week one. It's on the table. He should be 0:28:06.440 --> 0:28:08.920 the guy. I don't want to waste time with Jakobe Brissette. 0:28:08.920 --> 0:28:09.600 You're not alone in this. 0:28:09.680 --> 0:28:11.679 I'm using you as an example. I know Jim Murray's 0:28:11.680 --> 0:28:12.480 been big on this too. 0:28:12.680 --> 0:28:15.720 I'll take responsibility for this, but I will so when 0:28:15.760 --> 0:28:18.159 you hear that, I got a little over zealous when 0:28:18.200 --> 0:28:20.280 you yeah, so you saying the whole thing about oh well, 0:28:20.320 --> 0:28:22.880 with Joe Milton, they're they're just gonna see the shiny toy. 0:28:22.880 --> 0:28:25.280 It's gonna be proper for trick. Mate, You're not innocent 0:28:25.359 --> 0:28:29.440 in all this when you wasn't wrong about them seeing 0:28:29.520 --> 0:28:30.640 the shiny toy with Joe Milton. 0:28:30.720 --> 0:28:32.639 By the way, Okay, but you fed the fire because 0:28:32.640 --> 0:28:37.160 I was right when you set the expectation for week one. Then, yeah, 0:28:37.240 --> 0:28:39.160 you look at the performance he's had the last few 0:28:39.240 --> 0:28:41.640 days and you say he's not gonna be ready. He's 0:28:41.680 --> 0:28:43.720 probably not gonna be ready for week one. He's playing 0:28:43.760 --> 0:28:45.800 catch up at this point in order to be ready 0:28:45.840 --> 0:28:47.960 for week one. When you look at it and say, 0:28:48.000 --> 0:28:49.520 all right, can he get in there by the end 0:28:49.560 --> 0:28:52.960 of October? Yeah, that's still very much on the table. 0:28:53.040 --> 0:28:56.400 That timeline hasn't necessarily been knocked loose or anything. 0:28:56.560 --> 0:28:56.760 Yeah. 0:28:56.880 --> 0:28:58.959 So I think that's where some of the panic comes from. 0:28:59.000 --> 0:29:01.800 Two people just working on an unrealistic timeline. 0:29:02.000 --> 0:29:03.320 So can I push back a little bit on the 0:29:03.360 --> 0:29:06.480 panic word? Yeah, not I ate you specifically, but just 0:29:07.600 --> 0:29:10.720 if it's like this in two weeks, I won't be panicked, 0:29:11.280 --> 0:29:14.200 but I will definitely have my foot on the brake 0:29:14.280 --> 0:29:17.360 pedal right and say, all right, we gotta be realistic 0:29:17.400 --> 0:29:20.000 about this. He's not close. He's gonna have to sit. 0:29:21.160 --> 0:29:23.480 So you're still not rolling out week one, No, because 0:29:24.200 --> 0:29:28.479 I still feel like a lot can change because days 0:29:28.560 --> 0:29:30.520 are it's not develops, not ear velue. 0:29:30.640 --> 0:29:33.080 You want the mac Jones giants practice. That's what you're 0:29:33.080 --> 0:29:34.760 holding out hope for, is the mac Jones giants. 0:29:35.240 --> 0:29:36.920 I guess holding out. You can say I'm holding out 0:29:36.960 --> 0:29:39.080 hope for it, but the reality is that could like 0:29:39.200 --> 0:29:42.720 that's very much in play, and it's just one day today, 0:29:43.240 --> 0:29:46.280 but we already saw him make some incremental improvements today. 0:29:46.560 --> 0:29:49.920 You know today he he checks into a into a blitzer, 0:29:50.000 --> 0:29:53.280 you know cover zero beater, gets them into a perimeter screen, 0:29:53.480 --> 0:29:56.840 gets tapped up by Jacoby Jacoby Marrish, Jacoby Brissett afterwards 0:29:57.320 --> 0:29:59.920 with yeah, he hits the you know, they get a 0:30:00.120 --> 0:30:02.280 under center and he hits the the corner route to 0:30:02.320 --> 0:30:06.240 Mitchell Wilcox off play action, which is a it's a 0:30:06.280 --> 0:30:09.640 flood concept, you know, vertical clear out, corner route fills 0:30:09.680 --> 0:30:12.320 in underneath it. I could pull up cutups off my 0:30:12.400 --> 0:30:14.880 laptop of him doing it at North Carolina. I probably 0:30:14.920 --> 0:30:17.080 have twenty of them, right, Like, that was a throw 0:30:17.160 --> 0:30:20.640 that he loved to throw at North Carolina, especially going 0:30:20.720 --> 0:30:24.040 into the field like like off the on the far hash, 0:30:24.560 --> 0:30:26.360 because he has all this space to just kind of 0:30:26.400 --> 0:30:29.120 layer the ball into a very good throw for him 0:30:29.160 --> 0:30:32.240 that he loves throwing. In sevens, he hits you know, 0:30:32.920 --> 0:30:35.160 Michael Petaway coming across the field on a nice throat. 0:30:36.080 --> 0:30:37.080 Did I say pet Away again? 0:30:37.160 --> 0:30:37.240 Ye? 0:30:37.440 --> 0:30:40.520 Petway coming across the field. I'm not a big sevens guy. 0:30:40.640 --> 0:30:43.080 I don't really care too much about what he does 0:30:43.160 --> 0:30:46.520 in sevens, but it helps my argument absolutely. 0:30:46.560 --> 0:30:47.200 But we do. 0:30:47.880 --> 0:30:51.120 You're seeing these little incremental improvements. Now. If he comes 0:30:51.160 --> 0:30:53.640 out tomorrow and it's just this he saw this rookie 0:30:53.800 --> 0:30:56.800 roller coaster and he bombs tomorrow, then I'll go back 0:30:56.880 --> 0:30:58.760 to saying, all right, let's put our foot on the 0:30:59.240 --> 0:31:03.160 on the brake pedal. But even though we're not I 0:31:03.200 --> 0:31:06.080 think it's fair to say we're not early anymore. But 0:31:06.240 --> 0:31:10.120 we're still not done in terms of training camp, and 0:31:10.600 --> 0:31:13.160 it's all building up in my mind to the preseason 0:31:13.280 --> 0:31:16.560 game and into the joint practice with the Philadelphia Eagles. 0:31:17.600 --> 0:31:20.440 Two those games in the joint practice, which we'll see 0:31:20.440 --> 0:31:23.160 plenty of Drake may in those are gonna determine whether 0:31:23.280 --> 0:31:26.520 or not he's truly ready to start early. It's not 0:31:26.600 --> 0:31:29.720 gonna be these practices that we're watching right now when 0:31:29.720 --> 0:31:32.160 they're laying base stuff and they're laying foundation and all 0:31:32.200 --> 0:31:34.960 that kind of stuff. The last thing I'll say about it, 0:31:35.440 --> 0:31:38.680 and he almost did it today and I almost jumped 0:31:38.680 --> 0:31:40.680 out of my seat. And then he pulled it down 0:31:40.920 --> 0:31:43.920 and ran with it, and I was it was killing me. 0:31:44.280 --> 0:31:47.600 It's like, let it go. He was rolling to his right. 0:31:48.200 --> 0:31:52.440 Ye had Juju Smith Schuster downfield with in single coverage, 0:31:52.480 --> 0:31:54.080 no safety. The safety was on the other side of 0:31:54.080 --> 0:31:56.960 the field, and he's rolling to his right. In his head, 0:31:57.160 --> 0:31:59.960 I knew he was thinking of launching it off platform 0:32:00.320 --> 0:32:05.080 right like true tar heels style, you know, just one 0:32:05.120 --> 0:32:08.560 of those Josh Allen Patrick Mahomes off platform throws that 0:32:08.640 --> 0:32:11.040 we know are in his bag. And he tucked it 0:32:11.120 --> 0:32:13.200 and ran with it. And I don't know if that 0:32:13.480 --> 0:32:16.200 was because it's a drill and that wasn't the progression 0:32:16.240 --> 0:32:19.840 and YadA YadA, YadA, or what the reason was behind it. 0:32:20.280 --> 0:32:24.200 But when they get into the preseason games, I'm allowing 0:32:24.280 --> 0:32:25.920 for the fact that it might look like he's a 0:32:25.960 --> 0:32:28.880 rookie and he's not ready, but I'm also allowing for 0:32:28.960 --> 0:32:31.600 the fact that some of that playground football stuff, some 0:32:31.760 --> 0:32:34.080 of that just being an athlete and going out there 0:32:34.120 --> 0:32:37.040 and slinging it, that might come into play a little 0:32:37.080 --> 0:32:39.600 bit more when we get into the actual games than 0:32:39.640 --> 0:32:41.719 what they're doing here in practice. So to go back 0:32:41.760 --> 0:32:44.560 to the West Coast offense thing, they're running a timing 0:32:44.640 --> 0:32:47.760 based West Coast offense where they're asking Drake May to 0:32:47.960 --> 0:32:50.600 execute these plays in structure like they want this to 0:32:50.680 --> 0:32:53.800 get how it's drawn up in the playbook. Here's your 0:32:54.160 --> 0:32:57.880 five or seven step drop, here's your progression, read one, two, 0:32:57.960 --> 0:32:59.920 three and out right like that's what they're looking at 0:33:00.200 --> 0:33:03.040 right now from Drake May. Where I feel like as 0:33:03.080 --> 0:33:05.120 a quarterback, that was gonna be a work in progress 0:33:05.240 --> 0:33:09.040 for him. Footwork, timing, rhythm, anticipation, like those types of 0:33:09.080 --> 0:33:11.920 things were not gonna come to him overnight. That was 0:33:12.000 --> 0:33:14.280 gonna be a repetition in a build up. So in 0:33:14.360 --> 0:33:16.120 two weeks, if we get to the point where Drake 0:33:16.200 --> 0:33:19.360 May is still looking like he looked earlier this week, 0:33:19.760 --> 0:33:22.000 I will say I will come on this show and 0:33:22.080 --> 0:33:24.040 I look at you and obvious say I was wrong. 0:33:24.520 --> 0:33:27.200 I was too over zealous. I got too excited. Right 0:33:27.640 --> 0:33:30.640 right now, I'm still holding out hope. I still feel 0:33:30.680 --> 0:33:32.960 like that this could still like that light could just 0:33:33.080 --> 0:33:35.120 kind of switch on for him and we could be 0:33:35.160 --> 0:33:36.960 looking at a different player in a couple of weeks. 0:33:37.000 --> 0:33:41.440 But you're right, the stuff that I was saying before, 0:33:42.680 --> 0:33:45.240 I'm looking wrong right now about him being able to 0:33:45.240 --> 0:33:48.320 start Week one. But I also think that Jacoby Brissett 0:33:48.320 --> 0:33:51.440 deserves some credit for that. Absolutely, what have you seen 0:33:51.440 --> 0:33:53.360 from Jacoby Brissett? Might as well put that out there. 0:33:53.480 --> 0:33:56.120 Yeah, I mean it's nothing flashy. I don't think he's 0:33:56.160 --> 0:33:57.720 gonna come out and win MVP. I don't think he's 0:33:57.720 --> 0:33:59.640 gonna come out and throw for five thousand yards. But 0:34:00.160 --> 0:34:02.480 and maybe this is just having watched this offense the 0:34:02.600 --> 0:34:06.320 last two years and where the bar is. He gets 0:34:06.400 --> 0:34:08.040 him in out of the huddle, he gets him up 0:34:08.040 --> 0:34:10.239 and down the field, and let's I mean, there's a 0:34:10.280 --> 0:34:12.160 bunch of different conversation here, right. We can talk about 0:34:12.160 --> 0:34:15.320 the offensive line, the top offensive line, and they changed 0:34:15.360 --> 0:34:18.600 it today, but before today, they had a consistent group. Yeah, 0:34:19.000 --> 0:34:21.640 per set ahead time, he was making the right reads. 0:34:21.680 --> 0:34:24.400 He was delivering the football like it was functional, and 0:34:24.520 --> 0:34:27.840 again shouldn't be that high of a bar. It is 0:34:27.880 --> 0:34:31.440 a high bar, but it is a functional. 0:34:31.040 --> 0:34:31.920 Professional operation. 0:34:32.000 --> 0:34:33.719 And there were a couple of throws there he made 0:34:33.760 --> 0:34:36.520 that You're like, oh, okay, I didn't realize. 0:34:36.320 --> 0:34:41.080 He had that, especially that was the first day in pads. Yeah, 0:34:41.160 --> 0:34:43.239 he threw the one to Baker and Thornton within like, 0:34:43.680 --> 0:34:45.919 I don't know, a sequence of like five or six reps. 0:34:46.000 --> 0:34:47.759 Yeah, he dropped them in the bucket of Thornton and 0:34:47.800 --> 0:34:49.319 then he made a throw to Baker. Like, he can 0:34:49.400 --> 0:34:51.680 do some of that off platform, off schedule stuff too. 0:34:51.800 --> 0:34:54.360 Let's not act like he's a statue in the pocket, right, So. 0:34:54.680 --> 0:34:56.920 He's not a runner, but he's definitely someone that can 0:34:56.960 --> 0:34:57.319 move around. 0:34:57.360 --> 0:34:59.160 He's not gonna run, he's not gonna scramble, but he 0:34:59.239 --> 0:35:02.600 can throw on the run and he can throw off 0:35:02.680 --> 0:35:03.880 platform when he needs to. 0:35:04.320 --> 0:35:05.200 And he's done some of that. 0:35:05.360 --> 0:35:08.280 Again, I'm not saying he's out here looking like Patrick Mahomes, 0:35:08.719 --> 0:35:12.880 but he's that word expectations again from what I was expecting. 0:35:14.000 --> 0:35:18.239 He's it's one level above that. He's Look, the guy's. 0:35:17.960 --> 0:35:20.000 One of the thirty two best quarterbacks in the NFL. 0:35:20.200 --> 0:35:22.680 I feel like he gets talked about as a washout. Yeah, 0:35:22.800 --> 0:35:26.040 he's a starting caliber quarterback. Now, he's not necessarily at 0:35:26.040 --> 0:35:28.920 the caliber where he's not a franchise quarterback. He's not 0:35:28.960 --> 0:35:31.960 a guy where he's your starter, you're locking him in 0:35:31.960 --> 0:35:35.400 and set it and forget it. Right, But again, he 0:35:35.560 --> 0:35:38.320 is a I would say he's a top twenty starting 0:35:38.400 --> 0:35:39.320 quarterback in the NFL. 0:35:39.400 --> 0:35:42.960 It might be like nineteen twenty, yeah, but maybe I 0:35:43.040 --> 0:35:45.880 mean like in Cleveland in twenty two. And I know 0:35:45.960 --> 0:35:49.600 everybody points that that is not anti perset, but just 0:35:50.160 --> 0:35:53.000 on the other side points to his record in Cleveland. 0:35:53.200 --> 0:35:54.879 So he started eleven games, I think there are four 0:35:54.920 --> 0:35:58.120 and seven. The record in Cleveland counts. It's Cleveland. Okay, well, 0:35:58.280 --> 0:35:59.239 you know they're good last year. 0:35:59.640 --> 0:36:02.319 But besides the point, right, yeah, the one year they 0:36:02.320 --> 0:36:03.799 don't have any quarterbacks, they're good. 0:36:03.840 --> 0:36:07.520 That's just classic Browns. Statistically speaking, he was decent with 0:36:07.600 --> 0:36:10.239 the Browns two years ago in this offense. And the 0:36:10.320 --> 0:36:13.880 one thing with Brissett that is definitely there. In that 0:36:14.040 --> 0:36:17.920 season with Cleveland in twenty two, he was tenth in 0:36:17.960 --> 0:36:19.839 the league in big time throw rate. Like this guy 0:36:19.920 --> 0:36:22.840 can make some of those franchise quarterback throws. Now, is 0:36:22.920 --> 0:36:25.719 it consistent on a Mahomes level or is it the 0:36:25.840 --> 0:36:28.840 other elements of his game? Are they consistent? Not necessarily, 0:36:28.920 --> 0:36:31.440 and that's probably why the record reflects that he's not, 0:36:32.000 --> 0:36:36.160 you know, this franchise guy. But he was up there 0:36:36.360 --> 0:36:39.560 in the league that year in the amount of impressive 0:36:39.680 --> 0:36:41.600 you know, with PFF calls him big time throws, you 0:36:41.600 --> 0:36:44.440 want to call them franchise quarterback throws, wow throws, whatever, 0:36:44.920 --> 0:36:47.239 those types of throws that were like he made the 0:36:47.280 --> 0:36:49.040 other day with you know, the dropping in the bucket 0:36:49.080 --> 0:36:52.080 and Taekwon's a great throw. You know, the laser to 0:36:52.520 --> 0:36:55.719 Javon Baker and against cover two in the whole good throw. Like, 0:36:55.840 --> 0:36:58.200 those are throws that we would I would log and 0:36:58.239 --> 0:37:02.560 PFF would log as Betts, those are big time throws. Now, 0:37:03.760 --> 0:37:07.440 he's had struggles with consistency and you know, playing four 0:37:07.520 --> 0:37:09.880 full quarters and like all that kind of stuff. But 0:37:10.200 --> 0:37:13.880 you know, just as an example, remember when the Browns 0:37:13.920 --> 0:37:15.760 and the Bills had to play that game in Detroit 0:37:15.880 --> 0:37:18.080 because if there's like some storm or something like that, 0:37:18.840 --> 0:37:22.800 regardless they played the game of Detroit. Go watch that 0:37:23.000 --> 0:37:27.880 film for Jacoby Brissett in twenty twenty two Brown's Bills. 0:37:28.840 --> 0:37:32.000 He's light in the world on fire in the first 0:37:32.040 --> 0:37:34.200 half of that game. Like, he looks like a legitimate 0:37:34.320 --> 0:37:37.600 quarterback in that game. And I'm not ruling that out 0:37:37.680 --> 0:37:40.120 this year, that he's gonna have moments that he could 0:37:40.200 --> 0:37:43.200 have moments like that. Will it result in wins and losses? 0:37:43.239 --> 0:37:45.440 I don't know, But I think he could have moments 0:37:45.920 --> 0:37:48.640 of those types of things and that could be enough 0:37:48.760 --> 0:37:51.800 to keep Drake May on the bench. And whether you 0:37:51.880 --> 0:37:53.239 want to call that a good thing or a bad 0:37:53.280 --> 0:37:55.239 thing is up to you. Like, in some ways, it's 0:37:55.280 --> 0:37:58.640 buying the Patriots time to allow Drake mel May to develop. 0:37:58.680 --> 0:38:01.600 Behind the scenes, you wish that Drake May would would 0:38:02.040 --> 0:38:04.520 take it right right, but we're not gonna be able 0:38:04.560 --> 0:38:06.680 to see that once camp ends and we're closed out 0:38:06.719 --> 0:38:09.920 of practice. So that's that's where we're at with the quarterbacks. 0:38:10.400 --> 0:38:13.640 I am still there's no way I'm coming off the 0:38:13.719 --> 0:38:17.400 Drake May train after seven practices in two I'm not 0:38:17.480 --> 0:38:19.960 expecting to come off the train. And I'm not either. 0:38:20.120 --> 0:38:20.680 I'm not either. 0:38:20.719 --> 0:38:22.319 Like I still like the pick. I still think he's 0:38:22.320 --> 0:38:23.799 the right guy. I still think he has a chance 0:38:23.880 --> 0:38:26.560 to be a true difference making quarterback in this league. 0:38:27.680 --> 0:38:29.799 I just don't think he's gonna be that week one 0:38:29.840 --> 0:38:32.360 of the twenty twenty four season. And that's perfectly okay. 0:38:33.080 --> 0:38:35.560 The worst thing you can do, the worst thing that 0:38:35.640 --> 0:38:38.160 could happen is he's not that guy for week one 0:38:38.200 --> 0:38:40.600 of the twenty twenty four season. Yet you put him 0:38:40.640 --> 0:38:42.440 out there and try to make him be that anyway 0:38:42.560 --> 0:38:45.200 before he's ready, because that's how you ruin a guy's 0:38:45.239 --> 0:38:46.760 confidence and you create bad habits. 0:38:46.760 --> 0:38:49.000 Okay, So let me ask you this though. Yeah, let's 0:38:49.040 --> 0:38:53.279 say they decide that they feel like organizationally, and they 0:38:53.280 --> 0:38:55.880 probably won't feel this way because Elliott comes from the 0:38:55.920 --> 0:38:59.560 Green Bay Packers and that whole school thought of you know, 0:38:59.719 --> 0:39:02.120 Aaron Rogers and Jordan Love and like these guys that 0:39:02.200 --> 0:39:04.120 have sat right, So I don't think that this is 0:39:04.160 --> 0:39:06.200 how they're gonna view it. But just for the sake 0:39:06.239 --> 0:39:10.200 of the argument or the discussion, let's say they feel 0:39:10.320 --> 0:39:12.319 like it's better for him to learn on the job. 0:39:12.840 --> 0:39:15.120 That's the issues that he has are only gonna be 0:39:15.200 --> 0:39:17.880 fixed with game reps, right, and only be fixed with playing. 0:39:18.239 --> 0:39:19.719 So it's better for him to learn on the job. 0:39:19.880 --> 0:39:22.560 But we're gonna have to pare down the playbook and 0:39:22.640 --> 0:39:24.919 not necessarily that they're only gonna have him throwing five 0:39:25.000 --> 0:39:27.960 yard passes. I'm just saying, we're gonna have to manage 0:39:28.440 --> 0:39:30.239 this right what he's doing, and a lot of that 0:39:30.360 --> 0:39:32.600 could be a lot of play action right like that 0:39:32.760 --> 0:39:35.640 always helps for quarterbacks and bootlegs. They are getting him 0:39:35.680 --> 0:39:37.640 outside the pocket, which will help you know you now 0:39:37.680 --> 0:39:39.640 you're only reading one side on the field instead of 0:39:39.640 --> 0:39:42.120 these full field progressions, like all these little things that 0:39:42.200 --> 0:39:45.560 they could do to pare down the playbook to the 0:39:45.640 --> 0:39:48.000 point where they're not asking him to carry the world 0:39:48.040 --> 0:39:51.879 on his shoulders. Would you be against that line of thought? 0:39:53.239 --> 0:39:55.200 Yes, And maybe some of this is just the way 0:39:55.239 --> 0:39:58.960 you put it, maybe some, But you're talking about learning 0:39:59.000 --> 0:40:01.560 on the job, right, So that implies he's not ready. 0:40:01.680 --> 0:40:04.360 That implies there's a chance that even doing this is 0:40:04.440 --> 0:40:06.640 not going to be enough. I've said this since the beginning. 0:40:06.680 --> 0:40:09.239 This is my biggest take on Drake May and when 0:40:09.239 --> 0:40:13.560 he should start. You cannot, under any circumstance short of 0:40:13.719 --> 0:40:16.879 major injury, pull him once. 0:40:16.920 --> 0:40:18.520 He is your starter. He is your starter. 0:40:19.000 --> 0:40:21.800 You cannot get to week three and realize, oh crap, 0:40:21.880 --> 0:40:24.560 he's not ready and go back to Jacoby Brissett that 0:40:24.719 --> 0:40:28.680 is the most destabilizing thing you can do for the organization. 0:40:29.200 --> 0:40:34.840 So if you're doing that because you feel he will be, 0:40:35.080 --> 0:40:39.279 not can be, will be competitive in that setting, you 0:40:39.360 --> 0:40:43.160 could sell me on it. If you're doing that because well, 0:40:43.239 --> 0:40:44.839 this is the only way we're going to get him 0:40:44.880 --> 0:40:48.080 on the field, then no, because that means he's not 0:40:48.160 --> 0:40:50.879 ready to be on the field and you can't put 0:40:50.960 --> 0:40:54.320 him out there and then realize we've made a terrible mistake. 0:40:54.560 --> 0:40:58.320 He's not ready because you can't bench him. So that 0:40:58.880 --> 0:41:02.080 would scare me a little bit. Yes, Okay, that's fair enough. 0:41:02.160 --> 0:41:04.960 I just feel like, to me, all the things that 0:41:05.160 --> 0:41:07.880 I've seen him have some trouble with in these practices, 0:41:08.320 --> 0:41:10.239 or all the things that we talked about pre draft 0:41:10.360 --> 0:41:12.360 or some of his yet none of this is a surprise, 0:41:12.440 --> 0:41:14.120 by the way, right, That's what I'm getting at is 0:41:14.160 --> 0:41:17.160 that that's why I'm not panicking, Not because A you 0:41:17.200 --> 0:41:21.000 shouldn't panic after seven freaking practices, people like it's calm down. 0:41:21.320 --> 0:41:23.480 But B the other reason why I'm not panicking is 0:41:23.560 --> 0:41:28.960 because we knew that operating in structure, rhythm, footwork, timing, anticipation, 0:41:29.080 --> 0:41:31.320 all these types of boxes were all the things that 0:41:31.480 --> 0:41:34.080 he needed to work on from the college game. Like 0:41:34.160 --> 0:41:35.800 if you thought that he was gonna come in and 0:41:35.920 --> 0:41:38.719 he was gonna, you know, be this efficient quarterback right 0:41:38.760 --> 0:41:41.280 off the jump, then that's not the guy that they drafted. 0:41:41.360 --> 0:41:44.840 Like we knew that. We knew that. So I wonder 0:41:44.960 --> 0:41:47.800 if there is a school of thought that says that 0:41:47.880 --> 0:41:50.480 the only way that he's gonna learn or only way 0:41:50.520 --> 0:41:52.200 that they're going to train him up in those areas 0:41:52.320 --> 0:41:54.880 is playing. And at that point, then you have to 0:41:54.920 --> 0:41:56.480 figure out a way to get him on the field 0:41:56.520 --> 0:41:59.359 on Sundays not shatter his confidence completely, which would mean 0:42:00.520 --> 0:42:02.800 probably going in with a pair of down playbook. But 0:42:03.280 --> 0:42:07.360 at that point, just don't just wait, But how is 0:42:07.400 --> 0:42:10.160 he going to get the reps? Because you're if you're 0:42:10.160 --> 0:42:12.919 getting Jacolia Bussette ready to play the game, right, he's 0:42:12.920 --> 0:42:15.080 gonna have to get the reps in practice. You might 0:42:15.160 --> 0:42:16.800 be able to get some reps for Drake may in 0:42:16.880 --> 0:42:20.600 practice mental reps. They've they've hyped up that VR thing 0:42:20.880 --> 0:42:23.600 like you're gonna be in the VR headset. I would 0:42:23.640 --> 0:42:25.440 also I would be giving him more reps with the 0:42:25.480 --> 0:42:27.840 starters now for that exact reason. Yeah, I would. I 0:42:27.920 --> 0:42:29.080 think we all would love to see that. 0:42:29.160 --> 0:42:31.080 And and Mayo said today is gonna happen. He didn't 0:42:31.080 --> 0:42:32.520 say win, but he did say it's gonna happen. 0:42:32.600 --> 0:42:34.560 Yeah, we would all love to see that. All right, 0:42:34.640 --> 0:42:36.200 let's let's take some of these phone calls and then 0:42:36.239 --> 0:42:38.120 we'll do our three up, three down. And we got 0:42:38.160 --> 0:42:46.520 some emails as well. So Aiden is in brighton what's up? Aiden? Hey? Yeah, 0:42:46.600 --> 0:42:47.279 you're on What's up? 0:42:48.600 --> 0:42:48.759 Hey? 0:42:49.120 --> 0:42:50.799 I love the show, guys, thanks the much. Just shout 0:42:50.800 --> 0:42:54.600 out nerds everywhere. But really quick, I wanted to ask 0:42:54.680 --> 0:42:56.640 about one of the best players on defense. 0:42:57.400 --> 0:42:58.080 Kyle Dolger. 0:42:58.239 --> 0:43:01.040 I feel like around the league he's aired nationally the 0:43:01.120 --> 0:43:04.960 most cred warrant and I personally want him to move 0:43:05.000 --> 0:43:07.680 the middle linebacker. I think for three reasons. One, I 0:43:07.760 --> 0:43:09.520 think get your best player closer to the ball and 0:43:09.719 --> 0:43:12.400 make more plays. Two, he has this kind of like 0:43:13.360 --> 0:43:15.239 more of him and Ryan Sheet and you're kind of 0:43:15.320 --> 0:43:16.880 vibe that you want that I really like, And I 0:43:16.920 --> 0:43:18.680 think that it would even out the spacey room a 0:43:18.719 --> 0:43:20.799 lot better in terms of their skill sets matching up 0:43:20.840 --> 0:43:22.560 on the field, having Jalen Hawkins and more of a 0:43:22.600 --> 0:43:24.600 free safety role. So I just want to get your 0:43:24.640 --> 0:43:26.080 opinion on whether or not you could do it and 0:43:26.200 --> 0:43:27.680 how do you think that would fit with the defense? 0:43:28.480 --> 0:43:29.359 Thank Gus Love Show. 0:43:29.520 --> 0:43:31.600 Thanks Aden, thanks for the call. That's an interesting theory. 0:43:32.760 --> 0:43:35.279 I could see it in certain situations, like if you 0:43:35.360 --> 0:43:36.880 wanted to put him at the second level of the 0:43:36.960 --> 0:43:40.520 defense on a third and long or you know, a 0:43:40.680 --> 0:43:43.200 two minute or something like that, where he's like basically 0:43:43.280 --> 0:43:46.280 just playing coverage linebacker at that point. And you mentioned 0:43:46.360 --> 0:43:49.239 Fred Warners and all around demon but like maybe that 0:43:49.480 --> 0:43:52.640 that sort of element to Fred Warner's game on third 0:43:52.680 --> 0:43:54.839 and eight, he could play there and make it work 0:43:55.239 --> 0:43:58.480 as an every down linebacker. I think the biggest thing 0:43:58.560 --> 0:44:00.200 is that they would have to change how they play 0:44:00.280 --> 0:44:02.880 up front to have a two hundred and fifteen and 0:44:02.960 --> 0:44:05.400 twenty pound guy playing at the second level. And this 0:44:05.520 --> 0:44:07.520 is what we've always talked about with getting faster and 0:44:07.600 --> 0:44:10.160 all that kind of stuff. If you're gonna be like 0:44:10.320 --> 0:44:13.400 a spacating two gapping whatever you want to call it, 0:44:14.000 --> 0:44:17.520 odd front defense. That the reason why they have bigger backers, 0:44:17.560 --> 0:44:20.200 like to Vi Bentley, those players is because they have 0:44:20.320 --> 0:44:23.400 to play in a phone booth and take on guards, 0:44:23.600 --> 0:44:26.279 and take on lead blockers and take on guys in 0:44:26.680 --> 0:44:31.040 the trash in the trenches, and you're you're gonna get 0:44:31.160 --> 0:44:33.600 run over like a bowling pin if you're too small 0:44:33.760 --> 0:44:36.200 playing in that spot. So that that's a big reason 0:44:36.239 --> 0:44:39.520 why they they still deploy like a Bentley uh or 0:44:39.600 --> 0:44:42.080 even at Tavia when he's at the second level, is 0:44:42.160 --> 0:44:47.280 because their system asked them to take on mostly guards often, 0:44:47.680 --> 0:44:50.080 and you have to have some size obviously to do that. 0:44:50.800 --> 0:44:53.400 I also just would say, you know, to his point, 0:44:53.520 --> 0:44:59.759 almost the they're like box safety if you want to 0:44:59.800 --> 0:45:03.040 call it that, or their hybrid safety role has so 0:45:03.200 --> 0:45:06.680 much linebacker overlap that they're they're playing a ton of 0:45:06.920 --> 0:45:12.200 linebacker style reps playing in those spots that there. It's 0:45:12.239 --> 0:45:19.319 almost like it's it's almost we're almost arguing about nothing. 0:45:19.520 --> 0:45:22.160 Right Like here we're saying he needs to play linebacker. 0:45:22.200 --> 0:45:24.840 He's playing like a linebacker, whether he's in those positional 0:45:24.920 --> 0:45:25.520 meetings or not. 0:45:25.800 --> 0:45:29.160 That's how they're using him, right exactly, exactly, All right, 0:45:29.719 --> 0:45:31.480 Patty is an agua? What's up? Patty? 0:45:33.800 --> 0:45:34.800 What's hear me? 0:45:35.400 --> 0:45:35.520 Ye? 0:45:35.719 --> 0:45:36.200 How's it going? 0:45:39.080 --> 0:45:42.560 But so I just had a quick question for you. 0:45:43.520 --> 0:45:45.560 But first, Evan got to get your props on I 0:45:45.640 --> 0:45:50.840 am the Tiger and Alex the I watched, I watched 0:45:50.920 --> 0:45:55.280 the the show he did the other day with the crossover, 0:45:55.360 --> 0:45:58.360 the Killer Crossover from three different three different shows. It 0:45:58.440 --> 0:46:02.200 was awesome along with you and I just wanted to 0:46:02.280 --> 0:46:08.160 know if, now, now this is a crazy hypothetical, Cayden 0:46:08.239 --> 0:46:12.520 Wallace is your left tackle for the year and plays at. 0:46:12.680 --> 0:46:13.640 A Pro Bowl level. 0:46:13.719 --> 0:46:15.520 It doesn't make the Pro Bowl, but just plays at 0:46:15.560 --> 0:46:18.520 at a pretty high level. Do you go into next 0:46:18.600 --> 0:46:22.560 year's draft look in the draft, maybe you're you know, 0:46:23.200 --> 0:46:26.680 like a replacement for Judah off the edge of cornerback. 0:46:26.760 --> 0:46:30.719 Do you focus more on defense like trade down. Where 0:46:30.719 --> 0:46:32.359 do you go from there? Or do you still think 0:46:32.440 --> 0:46:34.839 that left tackle is that big of a priority even 0:46:34.880 --> 0:46:37.120 if you have a guy in house that's playing at 0:46:37.120 --> 0:46:39.080 a great level. And I'll take it off here, guys. 0:46:38.960 --> 0:46:41.560 Thanks Patty. That's a great question, Patty, great question for 0:46:41.640 --> 0:46:46.080 this show. So it's a great point. If Cayden Wallace, 0:46:46.239 --> 0:46:49.200 who I want to call it themotion because we don't know, 0:46:49.360 --> 0:46:51.520 but he was with the second team offense today after 0:46:51.560 --> 0:46:53.399 being with the first team offense earlier in the week. 0:46:53.920 --> 0:46:57.200 But I do like what I've seen out of Kiden Wallace, 0:46:57.400 --> 0:47:00.520 on the whole YEA and think he's he's on track 0:47:01.000 --> 0:47:02.719 right now to be a Day one starter for the 0:47:02.760 --> 0:47:05.520 Patriots at left tackle or right tackle, depending on where 0:47:05.560 --> 0:47:09.399 they settle, but probably left. So if Cayden Wallace ends 0:47:09.480 --> 0:47:13.000 up being I don't even necessarily think he needs to 0:47:13.040 --> 0:47:15.960 be probable level. Let's just say he starter level at tackle. 0:47:16.000 --> 0:47:18.960 And as a rookie, do you feel like we can 0:47:19.080 --> 0:47:22.839 move off of Will Campbell, Kelvin Banks or and move 0:47:22.920 --> 0:47:23.920 on to a different position. 0:47:24.560 --> 0:47:27.040 Let's not forget they have another tackle spot. That's a 0:47:27.120 --> 0:47:28.640 question too, and chokes a cor four is on a 0:47:28.680 --> 0:47:30.680 one year contract, and what's happening on the right side. 0:47:30.719 --> 0:47:33.759 So yeah, I would argue, and there's it's a hypothetical, 0:47:33.800 --> 0:47:38.840 and there's hypotheticals on hypotheticals here, there's layers. If Cayden 0:47:38.880 --> 0:47:41.879 Wallace is good at left tackle, I'd argue, he's probably 0:47:41.920 --> 0:47:44.879 gonna be great at right tackle. And then I would 0:47:44.960 --> 0:47:51.560 consider drafting Calvin Banks or Will Campbell and moving Caden 0:47:51.600 --> 0:47:54.000 Wallace to the right side, back at his natural position, 0:47:54.120 --> 0:47:55.960 And maybe he takes a jump on the right side, 0:47:56.239 --> 0:47:58.440 and now you're set set, Now you're golden up front. 0:47:59.320 --> 0:48:02.640 There is also though an argument to be made that, okay, 0:48:03.320 --> 0:48:06.960 you have a solid love tackle Judea on leaves. James 0:48:07.000 --> 0:48:09.920 Pierce Junior is the top edge rusher in this class 0:48:09.920 --> 0:48:10.440 from Tennessee. 0:48:10.640 --> 0:48:14.440 Quite a few good in defensive front guys. 0:48:14.440 --> 0:48:18.160 There, James Pierce Juniors unless he well, okay, So there's 0:48:18.160 --> 0:48:20.120 a couple of ways you go here. James Pierce Junior. 0:48:20.320 --> 0:48:23.799 Is you were talking edge traditional you know you said 0:48:23.880 --> 0:48:26.560 judn replacement. Yeah, James Pierce Junior is the guy in 0:48:26.600 --> 0:48:27.560 his class out of Tennessee. 0:48:28.000 --> 0:48:28.600 Do you go there? 0:48:29.400 --> 0:48:32.640 You could also go, okay, maybe you know has a 0:48:32.680 --> 0:48:35.760 good year. Maybe Keon White does. What's happening with Christian Barmore. 0:48:36.200 --> 0:48:39.279 There's a guy named Dion Walker from Kentucky. Now, Evan, 0:48:39.320 --> 0:48:41.320 you know how I feel about Jordan Davis. I'm not 0:48:41.400 --> 0:48:43.719 going to put anybody in the Jordan Davis category because 0:48:43.719 --> 0:48:46.320 I think he is a freaking unicorn. Yeah, but Dion 0:48:46.480 --> 0:48:48.600 Walker is one of those guys that you look at 0:48:48.800 --> 0:48:52.000 you say, how the hell are you moving that way 0:48:52.360 --> 0:48:55.279 at three hundred and thirty pounds. Guy's a freak true 0:48:55.480 --> 0:48:59.440 pass rush factor as a defensive tackle. If Barbour's medical 0:48:59.440 --> 0:49:02.000 condition is or maybe you just want two of those guys, 0:49:02.040 --> 0:49:04.200 because it would be it's not a fun Dean Walker. 0:49:04.560 --> 0:49:08.000 You could also go the route of Christian Gonzales hasn't 0:49:08.000 --> 0:49:10.399 had a great camp. What if that whole thing ended 0:49:10.480 --> 0:49:13.000 up being fools gold Well, now we're talking about Will 0:49:13.080 --> 0:49:14.840 Johnson so or. 0:49:14.880 --> 0:49:17.719 Even just having a no fly zone with both of 0:49:17.800 --> 0:49:20.400 them out, or you could go that route, so like 0:49:21.080 --> 0:49:23.799 he definitely or can I throw a third another route 0:49:23.840 --> 0:49:25.560 out you real quick? I know we were talking defense, 0:49:25.640 --> 0:49:28.160 but like you could also go to the Luther Burden route. Well, 0:49:28.440 --> 0:49:29.879 so I'm gonna be really well. 0:49:30.200 --> 0:49:32.000 I hope we get to do sort of a college 0:49:32.040 --> 0:49:35.719 football draft previewers thing at some point. Luthor Burden Tech 0:49:35.800 --> 0:49:38.560 McMillan is going to be a really interesting debate between 0:49:38.640 --> 0:49:42.120 Patriots fans this year because Luthor Burden is probably a 0:49:42.200 --> 0:49:45.120 slightly better player. It's so tough because Tech McMillan is 0:49:45.200 --> 0:49:47.480 so young and I'm I don't want to say anything 0:49:47.520 --> 0:49:50.320 definitive about him yet, but assuming he continues on the 0:49:50.360 --> 0:49:52.600 path we think he's gonna go on, you get into 0:49:52.680 --> 0:49:57.840 this debate of building a football team. Tech McMillan's probably 0:49:57.960 --> 0:50:00.600 the better option because he gives you something you don't 0:50:00.640 --> 0:50:05.120 have you already. He's the puer x right, Luthor Burden, 0:50:05.320 --> 0:50:07.040 and some of that is Javon Baker. Again, there's so 0:50:07.080 --> 0:50:09.359 much we don't know. Luther Burden is gonna be very 0:50:09.400 --> 0:50:11.719 redundant with a guy like Pop Douglas, who's probably your 0:50:11.760 --> 0:50:15.000 best receiver. But do you just say, Efitt, We'll figure 0:50:15.000 --> 0:50:16.480 out a way to make it work. Like, let's get 0:50:16.480 --> 0:50:18.719 all the talent in here. So there's a ton of 0:50:18.840 --> 0:50:21.279 I think we just mentioned everybody. I mean, I guess 0:50:21.320 --> 0:50:23.480 the one guy we didn't talk about is Travis Hunter, 0:50:23.560 --> 0:50:25.239 but you can put him in the corner conversation with 0:50:25.320 --> 0:50:27.560 Will Johnson. I don't think he's gonna be a receiver 0:50:27.600 --> 0:50:30.080 at the NFL level, at least not regularly. Like it 0:50:30.200 --> 0:50:32.440 definitely frees up more ways to go. But to go 0:50:32.560 --> 0:50:35.520 back to the original question, there will be a case 0:50:35.560 --> 0:50:36.839 to be made and we have to see how all 0:50:36.840 --> 0:50:39.120 this other stuff plays out. But just in a bubble, Yeah, 0:50:39.200 --> 0:50:41.719 Kean Wallace is pretty good at left tackle, Well what 0:50:41.840 --> 0:50:45.200 if he's great at right? And you add Will Campbell 0:50:45.280 --> 0:50:47.920 and now you're talking about potentially building towards one of 0:50:48.000 --> 0:50:51.279 the better tackle tackle combos in the NFL. In a 0:50:51.360 --> 0:50:53.520 league where there are not enough tackles to go around. 0:50:53.719 --> 0:50:57.200 Yeah, I will always be in the school thought of 0:50:57.280 --> 0:51:00.239 reinforcing the offensive line. You know that I will raft 0:51:00.280 --> 0:51:02.239 as many offensive linemen as they need to until they 0:51:02.280 --> 0:51:03.359 have five guys that can play. 0:51:04.000 --> 0:51:04.160 Now. 0:51:05.400 --> 0:51:07.960 I also would say that if this is let's say 0:51:08.000 --> 0:51:10.560 it's a good year. Yeah, necessarily wins and losses, Like, 0:51:10.560 --> 0:51:12.000 we're not getting all caught up in that yet, but 0:51:12.080 --> 0:51:14.839 let's just say it's a step forward. It's a progress here. 0:51:14.880 --> 0:51:17.200 It's that foundational year that Jarrod Mayo is talking about. 0:51:17.640 --> 0:51:19.959 That probably means that Alex Van Pelta, you feel pretty 0:51:19.960 --> 0:51:24.000 good about that system, that coach reinforcing the offensive line 0:51:24.000 --> 0:51:27.440 even further and drafting another tackle to build off of 0:51:27.520 --> 0:51:30.080 this system. You know, in Cleveland they had Jedrick Wills 0:51:30.160 --> 0:51:33.160 and Jack Conklin for years. I had both tackle spots, 0:51:33.239 --> 0:51:35.040 and I had two of the best tackles and one 0:51:35.040 --> 0:51:37.480 of the best offensive lines in football, and that was 0:51:37.600 --> 0:51:39.080 the bedrock of their offense. 0:51:39.360 --> 0:51:41.600 The other thing, I mean, if we want to play 0:51:41.640 --> 0:51:44.880 this out, maybe kan Wallace is good at left tackle 0:51:44.960 --> 0:51:47.600 and you're happy there. Again, Chuck's on a one year deal. 0:51:48.160 --> 0:51:51.920 If Kane Wallace is good. Like you said, things go well, well, 0:51:51.960 --> 0:51:53.719 maybe they're not going to have that top ten pick. 0:51:54.239 --> 0:51:56.439 Maybe they're at like eleven, twelve, somewhere in that range. 0:51:56.880 --> 0:51:59.319 Now we start talking about Emery Jones, who's the right 0:51:59.440 --> 0:52:01.880 tackle at EL. We've talked a lot about Will Campbell 0:52:01.920 --> 0:52:03.520 and Kelvin Banks because they are the two best left 0:52:03.520 --> 0:52:05.640 tackles in this class and there's a significant. 0:52:05.160 --> 0:52:06.000 Drop off after that. 0:52:06.480 --> 0:52:08.920 But there are other two other first round tackles, Emery 0:52:08.960 --> 0:52:12.080 Jones from LSU and Tyler Booker from Alabama. But those 0:52:12.120 --> 0:52:15.359 guys play on the right side. This show's pretty set 0:52:15.480 --> 0:52:17.960 in how we feel about moving tackles back and forth. Yeah, 0:52:18.000 --> 0:52:19.720 but maybe look at and say, all right, Caden Wallace 0:52:19.800 --> 0:52:22.280 is our left tackle. Let's see if we can upgrade 0:52:22.320 --> 0:52:23.120 chokes the corps for and. 0:52:23.120 --> 0:52:25.440 Had a guy like Emery Jones. Yeah, it's an exciting 0:52:25.480 --> 0:52:29.239 proposition to just the Candon Wallace thing in general. And 0:52:29.400 --> 0:52:31.680 I know I mentioned that he was with the Twoes 0:52:31.719 --> 0:52:34.120 today and maybe that that I had him on my 0:52:34.280 --> 0:52:36.719 ups and I kind of took him off because I'm 0:52:36.760 --> 0:52:39.400 not sure maybe they are seeing something that I am 0:52:39.480 --> 0:52:41.719 not right. I am not a coach, and I don't 0:52:41.719 --> 0:52:44.040 have the luxury of watching the practice film back. So 0:52:44.160 --> 0:52:46.840 maybe a couple of times I've caught him at the 0:52:46.880 --> 0:52:48.600 corner of the eye that I thought he's looked good. 0:52:48.640 --> 0:52:51.160 They actually have watched the film back and it hasn't 0:52:51.200 --> 0:52:54.879 been as good. I'm allowing for that. So we'll see 0:52:54.880 --> 0:52:57.120 what it is tomorrow when they are back in pads, 0:52:57.160 --> 0:52:58.400 and see what it looks like in a couple of 0:52:58.440 --> 0:52:59.920 weeks and all that kind of stuff as well. 0:53:00.239 --> 0:53:04.120 So again to sum it up, yes, we're both tackles. 0:53:04.160 --> 0:53:04.399 I think. 0:53:04.440 --> 0:53:07.000 Still we both saying tackle, but to something we just said. 0:53:07.560 --> 0:53:09.600 There's like eight or nine players on the roster that 0:53:09.640 --> 0:53:12.080 are gonna dictate their biggest draft need, and depending on 0:53:12.160 --> 0:53:14.719 what happens, about half of the first round is in play. 0:53:14.760 --> 0:53:17.080 Here's what I can't tell you definitively, Evan, let me 0:53:17.160 --> 0:53:19.320 just get there. There's one thing I can tell you 0:53:19.400 --> 0:53:21.920 definitively about what the Patriots plan should be in the 0:53:21.960 --> 0:53:25.520 first round as we sit here right now. Carson Beck 0:53:26.520 --> 0:53:28.960 not a part of the plan. Shular Sanders not a 0:53:29.000 --> 0:53:32.040 part of the plan. Anybody else We can have the conversation. 0:53:32.120 --> 0:53:34.239 There's guys I prefer to others, but at this point, 0:53:34.320 --> 0:53:36.720 you can write those two off anybody else where. 0:53:36.680 --> 0:53:39.959 We're in business. I'm gonna like, Luther Burden, you're gonna 0:53:40.600 --> 0:53:43.000 love so give me, like give me some like a 0:53:43.080 --> 0:53:44.800 comp like I know that those are tough, but like 0:53:44.920 --> 0:53:48.799 give me because the way you described to me, yeah, 0:53:49.000 --> 0:53:52.200 Luther Burden, the way that I think. The guy that 0:53:52.400 --> 0:53:57.200 immediately comes to mind is Jayleen Waddle. He's a little smaller. Yeah, 0:53:57.239 --> 0:53:59.160 he's listed at five eleven two o eight. I don't 0:53:59.200 --> 0:53:59.600 know about that. 0:53:59.760 --> 0:54:01.200 He's going to be another one of these guys that 0:54:01.239 --> 0:54:03.600 it's gonna be. We'll see at the combine. Yeah, I 0:54:04.080 --> 0:54:07.920 mean like he's ideally if he shows out. I think 0:54:08.000 --> 0:54:11.200 he's kind of in the mold of this year. Xavier Worthy, Like. 0:54:11.320 --> 0:54:16.239 He's explosive, but he's a little bit soccer it's weird 0:54:16.840 --> 0:54:19.200 like meteor, you know, like not he's not gonna like Yeah, 0:54:19.280 --> 0:54:20.839 Davire Worthy has a pretty gangly frame. 0:54:20.960 --> 0:54:24.560 Yeah, he's not that small. Luther Burn's weird to me. Missouri. 0:54:24.640 --> 0:54:27.800 I'm interested to see you watch Missouri's offense, yeah, because 0:54:28.239 --> 0:54:29.880 you wouldn't have watched them a ton this year. 0:54:30.000 --> 0:54:34.279 Jay Von Foster was the one man watching the line play, 0:54:34.320 --> 0:54:35.680 which is I'm not looking right. 0:54:35.920 --> 0:54:39.279 So, like he's listed at five eleven to two o eight. 0:54:39.360 --> 0:54:40.960 I take the under on that by a ton. He 0:54:41.040 --> 0:54:42.680 plays much bigger than he is, but some of it 0:54:42.880 --> 0:54:47.759 is Missouri uses him not exclusively, but he plays a 0:54:47.800 --> 0:54:49.160 lot as a boundary as an X guy. 0:54:49.400 --> 0:54:51.840 Yeah, and he's probably not going to be that at 0:54:51.880 --> 0:54:54.439 the NFL. So you're to me, you're saying a little 0:54:54.440 --> 0:54:57.560 bit bigger xaviy're Worthy, that is probably gonna move more 0:54:57.640 --> 0:54:59.640 inside of the NFL. Like I feel like you're describing 0:54:59.680 --> 0:55:04.239 Jalen No, not I I how much did Jalen Wattle 0:55:04.280 --> 0:55:06.560 play at the X at Alabama? A decent amount, I guess. 0:55:06.680 --> 0:55:09.080 Let me put it this way, he's like somewhere between 0:55:09.320 --> 0:55:12.960 Jalen Wattle and DeVante Smith. Actually that's a good Okay, 0:55:13.000 --> 0:55:15.520 those Alabama receivers were like, I wouldn't put. 0:55:15.440 --> 0:55:18.520 Him square my favorite receiver, right, No, Like you're gonna. 0:55:18.320 --> 0:55:22.120 Like him like he's he's explosive, he's shifty, he's a 0:55:22.160 --> 0:55:24.080 good route runner, he's good with the ball in his hands, 0:55:24.120 --> 0:55:27.560 like he checks all those boxes. He's just whether it's 0:55:27.600 --> 0:55:30.479 Xavier Worthy, whether it's Zay Flowers, whether it's Jalen Wada 0:55:30.520 --> 0:55:33.640 whether it's DeVante Smith. His college usage doesn't come near 0:55:33.719 --> 0:55:36.960 those guys. His college usage is very unique, which I 0:55:37.120 --> 0:55:39.799 think there's gonna be a lot of debate on him 0:55:40.239 --> 0:55:44.360 because he's going to be a case of what you 0:55:44.560 --> 0:55:47.719 see in terms of what you see present versus how. 0:55:47.680 --> 0:55:48.480 You see the potential. 0:55:48.800 --> 0:55:51.400 And if Tech McMillan breaks out, if Tech McMillan has 0:55:51.440 --> 0:55:54.759 the breakout year, that's gonna be a definitive guy six ' 0:55:54.840 --> 0:55:56.520 five but strong receiver. 0:55:56.719 --> 0:55:59.800 True x So Tech McMillan. I know you hate I 0:56:00.120 --> 0:56:00.520 know you don't. 0:56:00.600 --> 0:56:03.840 Ceiling ceiling ceiling, Yeah, as we like to say, does Bryant, 0:56:04.560 --> 0:56:06.279 does Bryant, You're gonna hear a lot of I know 0:56:06.320 --> 0:56:07.360 you don't want to do it. You're gonna hear a 0:56:07.400 --> 0:56:09.960 lot of people talk about Mike Evans because he's good 0:56:10.000 --> 0:56:10.920 with the ball in his hands too. 0:56:12.920 --> 0:56:15.200 But I think the world of Des Bryant. Yeah, Mike 0:56:15.239 --> 0:56:17.239 Evans is Mike. Like Mike Evans a Hall of Famer. 0:56:17.400 --> 0:56:20.240 So you well, you said ceiling ceiling, ceiling, ceiling ceiling, Yeah. 0:56:20.200 --> 0:56:22.759 Right, but but he is not dominating like Mike Evans was. 0:56:22.840 --> 0:56:27.719 The l it's but it's tough because he it Arizona's 0:56:27.800 --> 0:56:32.040 not built like that. He made Johnny Manziel look like, 0:56:32.520 --> 0:56:33.080 don't know he did. 0:56:33.120 --> 0:56:35.439 He made Johnny Manzel like the first Mike Evans should 0:56:35.440 --> 0:56:36.040 have won the Heisman. 0:56:36.239 --> 0:56:38.480 Yes, he should know you're Upoe, but but the point is, like, 0:56:38.960 --> 0:56:43.359 people are gonna see a big, physical receiver who has 0:56:43.600 --> 0:56:46.000 if if he and again he's so young, he's I 0:56:46.160 --> 0:56:49.360 think he's a true junior. Yeah, he's so young, so 0:56:49.480 --> 0:56:52.239 it's tough to say. But like you're gonna see a 0:56:52.320 --> 0:56:57.840 guy at six five who moves like he's six to 0:56:57.960 --> 0:57:01.440 one in a good way, but can play like he's 0:57:01.440 --> 0:57:03.600 six Those are the flashes that are on tape, and 0:57:03.640 --> 0:57:05.840 we are such a long way away, especially from a 0:57:05.880 --> 0:57:06.640 guy that's now we're. 0:57:06.520 --> 0:57:08.239 In the middle of training camp and we're talking draft. 0:57:08.680 --> 0:57:10.200 Let's let's the point. 0:57:11.760 --> 0:57:14.400 If he has the season people think he's gonna have, 0:57:14.800 --> 0:57:16.920 it's gonna be up there. There's gonna be a lot 0:57:16.960 --> 0:57:21.800 of people saying he's like, the path is gonna be 0:57:21.880 --> 0:57:24.280 clearer with him to NFL success than it will be 0:57:24.360 --> 0:57:26.640 to Luther Burden. I think Luther Burton ultimately has a 0:57:26.680 --> 0:57:29.080 higher ceiling. As I taught, throw Mike Evans out there, 0:57:29.160 --> 0:57:31.000 like I that's what people are gonna say. I think 0:57:31.080 --> 0:57:33.240 Luther Burton has a higher ceiling, but you're gonna see 0:57:33.320 --> 0:57:36.280 people saying tech McMillan. Is they plug and play day 0:57:36.360 --> 0:57:39.280 one wide receiver, one easy answer, whereas with Luther Burden 0:57:39.720 --> 0:57:41.240 there's gonna be a little bit more work to get 0:57:41.280 --> 0:57:41.520 in there. 0:57:41.600 --> 0:57:44.320 Okay, fair enough. Has your work from home space turned 0:57:44.320 --> 0:57:46.800 into in everything space? Alex? 0:57:47.520 --> 0:57:47.640 Uh? 0:57:48.000 --> 0:57:50.560 It did fire back of camp, but it did find 0:57:50.600 --> 0:57:53.360 furniture that fits your life, your budget in your living 0:57:53.440 --> 0:57:57.520 space thanks to Bob's Discount Furniture Shop, tons of on trend, 0:57:57.600 --> 0:58:01.320 small space friendly styles likes, do it all dining sets, 0:58:01.640 --> 0:58:04.800 smart storage and small footprint sectionals that can take you 0:58:04.880 --> 0:58:07.360 all the way from midday meeting to happy hour and 0:58:07.480 --> 0:58:10.560 no time. So stop into your local store and multitask 0:58:10.720 --> 0:58:14.760 stylishly with Bob's Discount Furniture, the official furniture store of 0:58:14.800 --> 0:58:17.040 the New England Patriots. I was multitasking in my work 0:58:17.080 --> 0:58:21.440 from home space yesterday, uh doing some stuff, yeah, Patriots stuff, 0:58:21.600 --> 0:58:24.080 and watching Team USA basketball at the same time. It 0:58:24.200 --> 0:58:26.640 was fantastic and the Red Sox were on right afterwards. 0:58:26.920 --> 0:58:30.000 It was a great day, good day off. Let's do 0:58:30.040 --> 0:58:32.680 three up, three down for training camp. Through seven days 0:58:33.280 --> 0:58:36.000 of training camp, I should say, and I want to 0:58:36.000 --> 0:58:38.840 start with ups. We'll start with the positive or positive show. 0:58:39.200 --> 0:58:42.960 All right, my number one up for training camp? You 0:58:43.040 --> 0:58:45.120 ready for this? I did? I did it kind of. 0:58:45.160 --> 0:58:47.320 I kind of did a you and like went like 0:58:47.360 --> 0:58:50.000 a little outside the box with this. Okay, my number 0:58:50.080 --> 0:58:54.440 one up for training camp, Scott freaking Peters. Do an applause, 0:58:54.880 --> 0:58:59.920 do a standing o forum, Thank you, strike systems, oh technique, 0:59:01.040 --> 0:59:04.400 all of it, all of it. Taylor Coles, We're one 0:59:04.480 --> 0:59:07.200 week into training camp in this offensive line already looks 0:59:07.200 --> 0:59:09.720 better than it has the last two years, simply because 0:59:09.760 --> 0:59:12.680 they have an offensive line coach that seems like he 0:59:12.760 --> 0:59:14.800 knows how to do the damn thing right. And I 0:59:14.960 --> 0:59:17.800 am thrilled about that. The strike system thing, I got 0:59:17.880 --> 0:59:20.440 a little you know, like that's not here nor there. 0:59:20.480 --> 0:59:24.760 Maybe a little overrated, but I have seen more competent 0:59:24.880 --> 0:59:28.240 offensive line play and those two padded practices at the 0:59:28.280 --> 0:59:31.960 beginning of the week than I saw at combined probably 0:59:32.000 --> 0:59:34.200 in the last two training camps for the Patriots. There 0:59:34.360 --> 0:59:37.920 was actual time in the pocket for Jacobe Brissett to 0:59:38.000 --> 0:59:40.560 like survey the field and make throws down the field. 0:59:41.000 --> 0:59:44.080 When's the last time we've seen that at a in 0:59:44.160 --> 0:59:47.840 a regular basis. It's been a minute. They actually, on 0:59:47.920 --> 0:59:51.120 the day one of pads, they broke off not one, 0:59:51.560 --> 0:59:57.600 not two, but three successful outside zone runs on day 0:59:57.640 --> 1:00:00.080 one of pads in a new system where they they 1:00:00.120 --> 1:00:02.280 haven't really been blocking outside zone and all this stuff 1:00:02.280 --> 1:00:04.040 that I talked about that I was concerned that they 1:00:04.040 --> 1:00:07.000 weren't in a fit. They They've looked pretty good blocking 1:00:07.080 --> 1:00:10.400 outside zone so far. I think he knows what he's doing. 1:00:10.640 --> 1:00:12.960 I think he's doing a solid job. And just to 1:00:13.000 --> 1:00:15.400 give some credit to the players as well, I think 1:00:15.600 --> 1:00:19.320 all those guys have marginally improved since the start of 1:00:19.400 --> 1:00:22.600 camp and you can see it, like cityso looks like 1:00:22.640 --> 1:00:24.600 a much better pass protector in year two than he 1:00:24.640 --> 1:00:26.680 did in year one. And a lot of things that 1:00:26.760 --> 1:00:29.360 he talked about. I know that we're joking about the 1:00:29.400 --> 1:00:32.320 strike system, but he's actually talking a lot about independent 1:00:32.360 --> 1:00:34.840 hands and you know, not throw when you don't When 1:00:34.880 --> 1:00:36.640 you don't throw both hands at the same time, what 1:00:36.720 --> 1:00:38.680 happens when you throw like a two hand punch. It 1:00:38.760 --> 1:00:40.880 can work if you hit, but if you don't hit, 1:00:40.960 --> 1:00:43.200 you end up getting off balance and you're now lunging 1:00:43.280 --> 1:00:46.000 forward and that's when guys, you know, can you know, 1:00:46.120 --> 1:00:48.200 swat and go around you and stuff like that. So 1:00:48.440 --> 1:00:50.920 what Scott Peters preaches is a lot of independent hand 1:00:51.000 --> 1:00:53.160 usage right where it's just the left or just the 1:00:53.280 --> 1:00:54.880 right and you sit back in your chair and you 1:00:54.960 --> 1:00:57.480 kind of absorb at that point. City so has looked 1:00:57.520 --> 1:01:00.959 a lot better. Caden Wallace I think is making really 1:01:01.040 --> 1:01:04.800 positive strides, good progress. Leyden Robinson has looked decent for 1:01:04.840 --> 1:01:08.000 a rookie early on in training camp. They seem to 1:01:08.080 --> 1:01:12.320 have solidified this interior three of so andrews on Weni, 1:01:12.360 --> 1:01:14.200 which I love. I think that has a chance to 1:01:14.280 --> 1:01:17.200 be not just a good interior three, but like kind 1:01:17.240 --> 1:01:20.480 of a high level interior three. If City continues to 1:01:20.640 --> 1:01:23.800 make progress, you have a plus center, you have a 1:01:23.840 --> 1:01:26.400 plus guard, and then hopefully you have a starting caliber 1:01:26.520 --> 1:01:29.439 left guard in City. So I'm loving what I'm seeing 1:01:29.480 --> 1:01:31.880 so far from the line. Thank you. So like not 1:01:32.320 --> 1:01:34.720 watching a practice where it's an absolute train wreck up 1:01:34.760 --> 1:01:38.080 front is so refreshing. You know, for me, this is 1:01:38.200 --> 1:01:41.880 like pants off, Like this is just amazing. So really 1:01:41.960 --> 1:01:45.480 quickly to end this rant, there's a chance and I'm 1:01:45.760 --> 1:01:48.800 it's early, or it's not early, it's mid it's middle 1:01:48.840 --> 1:01:53.600 of training camp. There's a chance that those Cleveland guys 1:01:54.160 --> 1:01:56.200 just kind of know how to coach the line right. 1:01:56.320 --> 1:01:58.120 The system works for the line in terms of the 1:01:58.160 --> 1:02:01.800 schematics and the big picture concept. Scott Peters knows how 1:02:01.840 --> 1:02:04.880 to coach the technique. He's been in this offense. He 1:02:05.000 --> 1:02:08.280 knows what needs to be done to be successful. I 1:02:08.360 --> 1:02:11.000 think there's just a chance that they just are good 1:02:11.600 --> 1:02:12.760 at coaching up linemens. 1:02:12.840 --> 1:02:15.040 So we used to talk about this when people would ask, 1:02:15.160 --> 1:02:17.160 you know, what's going on with the Patriots and wide receivers, 1:02:17.240 --> 1:02:19.439 and we'd say, they're just not a wide receiver team, 1:02:19.440 --> 1:02:24.240 whether it's talent evaluation, identification development. And we contrast that 1:02:24.320 --> 1:02:27.000 with they are a corner team. They can find corners, 1:02:27.280 --> 1:02:29.320 they can go get an undrafted guy in tournament was 1:02:29.360 --> 1:02:31.760 starting caliber player right. Yeah, And there are teams that 1:02:31.840 --> 1:02:36.000 are different that just franchises that generally identify different positions differently. 1:02:36.520 --> 1:02:39.800 I would say Cleveland has for at least the last 1:02:39.840 --> 1:02:43.240 what five six years, been an offensive line team, and 1:02:43.360 --> 1:02:47.400 they would just any guy they added seemed to work out. 1:02:47.720 --> 1:02:51.000 They fantastic track record there, and you now have a 1:02:51.080 --> 1:02:53.480 piece of that here in Scott Peters and some of 1:02:53.520 --> 1:02:57.000 the other guys that are involved, and you hope that 1:02:57.240 --> 1:02:58.880 some of that rubs off. And I think maybe that's 1:02:58.880 --> 1:03:02.360 what you're seeing that. Whatever it was, that system in Cleveland, 1:03:02.440 --> 1:03:06.920 identification development, whatever, it's probably a combination of both. It 1:03:07.040 --> 1:03:09.600 worked and maybe now you're seeing that system in play here. 1:03:09.800 --> 1:03:13.680 So just really quickly to put a player on it. Yeah. 1:03:13.800 --> 1:03:15.320 Yeah, I was gonna say, give me, like your most 1:03:15.360 --> 1:03:20.800 impressive offensive line's good lights out? Yeah, fantastic. I have 1:03:20.960 --> 1:03:24.120 him at seven to one and one and one on 1:03:24.280 --> 1:03:25.120 one drills right now. 1:03:25.320 --> 1:03:27.160 You would have at six o one yesterday. Didn't do 1:03:27.200 --> 1:03:27.720 anyone on there. 1:03:27.840 --> 1:03:31.120 So I missed the key on White Repka and I 1:03:31.200 --> 1:03:35.520 trust I trust Badard. He saw it with his own eyes. 1:03:35.680 --> 1:03:36.160 He told me. 1:03:37.200 --> 1:03:38.280 I was just gonna say, I didn't know if I 1:03:38.360 --> 1:03:40.440 missed him doing like non padded offensive line one. 1:03:40.560 --> 1:03:43.520 Yeah, no, no, I I trust him. I I must 1:03:43.560 --> 1:03:45.720 have missed it. I'm I don't know why. I you know, 1:03:45.760 --> 1:03:48.160 sometimes you don't see it happens. It's a lot going on. Yeah. So, 1:03:49.280 --> 1:03:51.760 and they were split into two groups while this was 1:03:51.840 --> 1:03:55.400 going on, so officially I'm going with seven to one 1:03:55.440 --> 1:03:59.160 and one. He's won his first six I think he 1:03:59.200 --> 1:04:02.080 won his first and then he tie had him down 1:04:02.120 --> 1:04:04.440 for a tie. Yeah, just a stalemate. You know, I 1:04:04.560 --> 1:04:07.200 kind of give tie, you know, when okay, you got 1:04:07.480 --> 1:04:10.320 I should go to the offense though. Yeah, but like 1:04:10.400 --> 1:04:12.200 if you get walked back a little bit into the 1:04:12.280 --> 1:04:14.560 quarterback and then anchor, like, I still kind of tend 1:04:14.600 --> 1:04:17.200 to give that as a tie, and then I and 1:04:17.240 --> 1:04:18.920 then I guess Kean White did beat him and I 1:04:18.960 --> 1:04:22.480 didn't see it. So seven to one and one, and 1:04:22.960 --> 1:04:26.800 in those wins, he's just like a man amongst boys, 1:04:26.960 --> 1:04:29.320 Like guys just can't get around him. Uh, he's just 1:04:29.400 --> 1:04:32.919 been stellar. So I would say Mike Onwen who would 1:04:32.960 --> 1:04:36.080 be the best so far? But the most promising is 1:04:36.280 --> 1:04:39.120 is definitely the rookies like, yeah, Kaden Wallace and Layden 1:04:39.200 --> 1:04:43.280 Robinson looking like they belonged this early in camp. Go 1:04:43.400 --> 1:04:44.840 get him, Scottie, good job. 1:04:45.400 --> 1:04:47.000 So I figured you to have the offensive line, so 1:04:47.040 --> 1:04:49.120 I kind of tried to work mine around yours. Maybe 1:04:49.160 --> 1:04:53.880 this is an overlap. Yeah, Covers Sett Yeah, we got 1:04:53.920 --> 1:04:55.600 alread talked about it, so we spent a lot of time. 1:04:55.640 --> 1:04:57.640 But Cover set's been good. Yeah, it's been really good. 1:04:57.760 --> 1:05:00.400 It's fair enough. I'm not surprised about what we're seeing 1:05:00.440 --> 1:05:03.640 from Jacoby Brissett. Like I said, I think a lot 1:05:03.680 --> 1:05:05.560 of people looked at the record in Cleveland in twenty 1:05:05.640 --> 1:05:08.800 twenty two, and whether you're into QB wins or you're 1:05:08.800 --> 1:05:11.480 not into QB wins, they have some merit of if 1:05:11.520 --> 1:05:13.360 this guy's good or not right, And I think a 1:05:13.440 --> 1:05:17.520 lot of people looked at the QB wins for Jacoby Brissett, 1:05:17.640 --> 1:05:19.560 not just in Cleveland, but also just throughout his career 1:05:19.640 --> 1:05:21.960 as a starter. He's made forty eight starts. His record's 1:05:22.000 --> 1:05:25.360 not great, and a lot of people just he sticks right, 1:05:25.400 --> 1:05:29.000 he's awful. But if you actually look at the stats, 1:05:29.040 --> 1:05:31.240 look at the film, Like if you take his eleven 1:05:31.320 --> 1:05:34.360 starts in Cleveland and stretch him out to seventeen games, 1:05:34.680 --> 1:05:37.080 he would have thrown for like four thousand yards in 1:05:37.160 --> 1:05:39.720 like twenty five touchdowns in Cleveland in twenty twenty two. 1:05:40.160 --> 1:05:42.360 So okay, hey guy, so we're doing that because then 1:05:42.360 --> 1:05:43.880 I tried to do this with Kendrick Born a year ago. 1:05:43.920 --> 1:05:46.800 I got yelled at by you. That's probably fair, all right. 1:05:46.880 --> 1:05:49.600 I'm just I don't mind you doing it, but now 1:05:49.640 --> 1:05:51.880 it supports my argum. Now it sports your argument, now mine, Okay, 1:05:51.880 --> 1:05:52.400 I understand. 1:05:52.920 --> 1:05:57.600 But he's not He's not terrible. Your guy Felger likes 1:05:57.640 --> 1:05:58.600 to say that he's terrible. 1:05:58.840 --> 1:06:01.640 Hooper Sett Yes, eg like all geeked up on Jacoby 1:06:01.720 --> 1:06:02.240 ver Set right now. 1:06:02.320 --> 1:06:04.160 No he no, he is. No, I was just not 1:06:04.320 --> 1:06:06.479 with them. No, I was just not with them. Fop 1:06:06.600 --> 1:06:08.240 like that. I will not allow for this. I will 1:06:08.800 --> 1:06:10.960 for this. He's all. He's because his whole thing is 1:06:11.000 --> 1:06:13.080 he wants them to win as many games. Yeriars. Possibly 1:06:13.120 --> 1:06:14.920 he was the one that wanted them to get justin 1:06:15.040 --> 1:06:16.880 Fields or Russell Wilson. I heard him. 1:06:17.080 --> 1:06:19.360 Well, so now his thing is his thing that like, 1:06:20.480 --> 1:06:22.720 all right, if Jakob sec can win you games, great, 1:06:22.920 --> 1:06:23.400 I get all right. 1:06:23.960 --> 1:06:26.280 He didn't think kover Set could win them games. He thought, 1:06:26.480 --> 1:06:30.520 he told He said as as early as like earlier 1:06:30.560 --> 1:06:31.840 this week when I was driving home and I was 1:06:31.880 --> 1:06:33.320 listening to them, and I do listen, so I'm not 1:06:33.400 --> 1:06:35.720 trying to like pick on them. But he said earlier 1:06:35.800 --> 1:06:38.880 this week that you know, his top tier was you know, 1:06:38.920 --> 1:06:41.440 the Kirk Cousins and stuff like he he said that 1:06:41.520 --> 1:06:43.680 he wanted to be the Atlanta Falcons, he would have 1:06:44.040 --> 1:06:47.960 signed Kirk Cousins and drafted it Drake May still, Yeah, 1:06:48.080 --> 1:06:50.040 and then sat Drake May for a couple of years 1:06:50.080 --> 1:06:50.880 behind Kirk Well. 1:06:50.840 --> 1:06:53.120 So he I think what he likes now is again 1:06:53.160 --> 1:06:56.480 it was just on with them. Yeah, this all like 1:06:56.800 --> 1:06:58.480 not the pressures off Drake May. I don't want to 1:06:58.480 --> 1:06:59.840 put words his mouth. I'm trying to remember exactly what 1:06:59.880 --> 1:07:02.520 he's but basically like, Jacoby Brissette is going to give 1:07:02.520 --> 1:07:04.680 you a football season. Yes, and maybe they don't make 1:07:04.720 --> 1:07:08.320 the playoffs, but he likes the idea of Jacoby Brissett 1:07:08.680 --> 1:07:11.400 holds down the fort as long as he needs to 1:07:11.440 --> 1:07:14.720 hold down the fort because he's not as he's not 1:07:14.800 --> 1:07:17.160 as into Drake May. He just doesn't like rookie quarterbacks. 1:07:17.200 --> 1:07:18.400 It's not something he believes him. 1:07:18.440 --> 1:07:20.080 Yeah, he fully believed. 1:07:20.080 --> 1:07:22.480 He's a Packers fan. Shocker if he needs to sit 1:07:22.560 --> 1:07:25.000 a year or two years, seventeen years later, right, he's 1:07:25.040 --> 1:07:27.360 all in on that model. So I think the idea 1:07:27.400 --> 1:07:30.800 that Jacoby Brissette can give you something for a year 1:07:31.920 --> 1:07:34.200 and the team can still be competitive. Maybe they don't 1:07:34.200 --> 1:07:36.000 make the playoffs, but the team can still be competitive. 1:07:36.120 --> 1:07:38.480 He's in right, He's in on that, so he's he's 1:07:38.520 --> 1:07:39.880 come around on Jacoby Pressette. 1:07:39.880 --> 1:07:41.520 Well, I actually think the way you laid it out 1:07:41.600 --> 1:07:44.000 is exactly how I feel right now about Jacoby Brissett. 1:07:44.240 --> 1:07:45.800 Do I do not think that if they have to 1:07:45.800 --> 1:07:49.760 play Jacoby Brissett that they are going to be a 1:07:49.960 --> 1:07:51.280 bore to watch on offense? 1:07:51.400 --> 1:07:51.520 Right? 1:07:51.680 --> 1:07:52.800 Do I think that they are going to win a 1:07:52.840 --> 1:07:55.600 bunch of games? Probably not, But they aren't going to 1:07:55.680 --> 1:07:58.240 be like they weren't last year. It's not going to 1:07:58.280 --> 1:08:00.200 be You're not going to come away from it and 1:08:00.680 --> 1:08:02.520 be like, what the hell did I just watch? 1:08:02.680 --> 1:08:05.600 Like? They're not going to reinvent ways to struggle offensively, 1:08:05.680 --> 1:08:06.600 They're not gonna do that time. 1:08:07.960 --> 1:08:09.040 It's gonna look representative. 1:08:09.200 --> 1:08:11.919 It's gonna look they're not gonna set They're not coming 1:08:11.960 --> 1:08:15.160 for the seven Patriots records, but you're gonna be able 1:08:15.160 --> 1:08:16.920 to watch it. And I think sneaky big thing about 1:08:16.960 --> 1:08:19.320 Jacoby Brissett. Actually didn't put either of these guys in 1:08:19.360 --> 1:08:21.280 my ups because I just I was trying to put 1:08:21.320 --> 1:08:26.800 it together. But representative he's given jayvon Baker, Jalen Polk 1:08:26.840 --> 1:08:28.400 and I'll even throw to Mario Douglas in here, but 1:08:28.479 --> 1:08:31.439 really the rookies because Douglas has been limited, those guys 1:08:31.439 --> 1:08:33.400 have had a chance to really develop and really make 1:08:33.479 --> 1:08:36.840 plays while Drake May goes through his growing pains and 1:08:37.080 --> 1:08:40.120 they're not. I think this has been part of the 1:08:40.200 --> 1:08:43.760 issue with the wide receiver development. Here post Brady, you're 1:08:43.800 --> 1:08:46.400 getting representative quarterback play, and it's allowing those guys to 1:08:46.479 --> 1:08:49.200 do what they need to do without being maybe handcuffed 1:08:49.280 --> 1:08:53.439 by developmental plight the quarterback position. And the two biggest 1:08:53.479 --> 1:08:56.040 winners I would say of Jacoby Brissett's kind of surprise 1:08:56.080 --> 1:08:58.400 start to camp are Baker and Polk because they were 1:08:58.400 --> 1:09:00.200 able to rep with the root ones and they're able 1:09:00.240 --> 1:09:01.120 to get quality reps. 1:09:01.560 --> 1:09:04.360 So speaking of them, yeah, all right, you had them. 1:09:04.439 --> 1:09:06.760 Good. My next two or on defense, so I had 1:09:06.840 --> 1:09:09.439 one on defense too, all right, it's probably the same guy. 1:09:10.200 --> 1:09:13.799 I don't think it is actually right. I had Jayvon 1:09:13.880 --> 1:09:15.000 Baker and Jalen Polk together. 1:09:15.080 --> 1:09:18.080 Yeah, that's fair rookie receivers. They're both rookie receivers. Again, 1:09:18.120 --> 1:09:21.240 that's how I do it have been exactly in the 1:09:21.320 --> 1:09:22.880 last couple of days and the reason why I'm like 1:09:23.360 --> 1:09:26.960 kind of trepid like dancing around is because I don't 1:09:26.960 --> 1:09:29.120 think Javon Baker has made as many plays the last 1:09:29.160 --> 1:09:30.960 couple of days. He got off to a slower. 1:09:30.760 --> 1:09:32.439 Start too, and I think some of that was the 1:09:32.479 --> 1:09:33.360 injury he had in the spring. 1:09:33.840 --> 1:09:36.280 But all this stuff that we're seeing from those two 1:09:36.320 --> 1:09:39.760 guys are exactly as advertised as what I thought they 1:09:39.800 --> 1:09:42.000 would beat in the draft. Javon Baker is going to 1:09:42.000 --> 1:09:44.439 be your splash play guy. It's not going to be consistent, 1:09:45.120 --> 1:09:48.280 but you know, whether it's Dave Davis, yeah, that was 1:09:48.360 --> 1:09:51.439 my comp there's a little bit more above the rim 1:09:51.600 --> 1:09:54.160 than Gabe Davis. I think that I didn't notice as 1:09:54.240 --> 1:09:57.680 much as absolutely. Yeah, Gabe Davis's I still feel like 1:09:57.880 --> 1:09:59.559 is just kind of run under it speed guy. 1:09:59.640 --> 1:10:02.040 But I think when you look at what you're projecting 1:10:02.120 --> 1:10:05.240 for production, yeah, Javon Baker is like a three catch, 1:10:05.360 --> 1:10:08.360 eighty yards win touchdown guy. And there'll be like four 1:10:08.439 --> 1:10:10.160 or five games where he maybe goes like a buck 1:10:10.240 --> 1:10:13.320 fifty and like four or five games where he gets blanked. 1:10:13.439 --> 1:10:17.920 Yes, right, couldn't agree more. And that's exactly how they practice, right, 1:10:18.040 --> 1:10:20.479 Javon Baker is gonna have like the play that he 1:10:20.560 --> 1:10:23.000 made earlier this week, he's gonna have a catch like 1:10:23.080 --> 1:10:25.160 that that's gonna make your jaw drop and you're gonna say, 1:10:25.200 --> 1:10:27.880 holy crap, this guy's so talented. But the guy that's 1:10:27.960 --> 1:10:30.519 really gonna be the engine of the offense is gonna 1:10:30.520 --> 1:10:34.840 be Jalen Polk, and he Jalen Polk to me has 1:10:34.960 --> 1:10:37.800 me really excited because the one thing that I wanted 1:10:37.840 --> 1:10:40.760 to see out of Jalen Polk was was he one 1:10:40.840 --> 1:10:44.240 of these craftsmen that the forty time just isn't gonna matter, 1:10:44.439 --> 1:10:46.880 Like we can just throw the forty time out because 1:10:46.880 --> 1:10:49.280 he's a he's smooth, he's fluid, he's great at the 1:10:49.320 --> 1:10:52.519 top of the row, he's got great hands, physical, and 1:10:52.920 --> 1:10:55.120 I'm getting those types of vibes from him so far. 1:10:55.439 --> 1:10:58.000 It goes against a lot of my beliefs at the 1:10:58.040 --> 1:11:00.559 wide receiver position, because you know, I'm a separate guy, 1:11:00.880 --> 1:11:04.160 like everything to me is separation. But I look at 1:11:04.600 --> 1:11:07.800 Jalen Polk as a guy that truly could catch a 1:11:07.960 --> 1:11:12.320 high volume of targets in this offense and could play 1:11:12.400 --> 1:11:15.560 on all situations because he's got the size to be 1:11:15.640 --> 1:11:17.679 able to block and throw his weight around a little 1:11:17.680 --> 1:11:20.200 bit too in the run game, So I don't think 1:11:20.240 --> 1:11:21.719 he necessarily needs to come off the field. 1:11:21.960 --> 1:11:24.840 I think it's important because I've seen people say, why 1:11:24.840 --> 1:11:26.599 are you saying Jalen Polk has had this great camp 1:11:26.640 --> 1:11:28.400 when he hasn't had any big plays and he had 1:11:28.439 --> 1:11:29.840 the one early on that's it. 1:11:30.040 --> 1:11:32.760 Yeah, and he had the one in seven's the other right, So. 1:11:33.200 --> 1:11:34.960 Well, elevens is what really counts. But and I think 1:11:34.960 --> 1:11:37.920 I texted you about this. You gotta look at them 1:11:37.920 --> 1:11:40.800 in this dynamic. Jalon Baker is your big play threat. Yep, 1:11:40.920 --> 1:11:43.560 He's not going to be a consistent player, but he 1:11:43.760 --> 1:11:46.200 is the guy you're going over the top. Jalen Polk 1:11:46.360 --> 1:11:48.960 is the exact opposite. Jalen Polk is chain mover. Yeah, 1:11:49.040 --> 1:11:51.599 Jalen Polk is here to go eight to twelve yards 1:11:51.640 --> 1:11:53.880 in the line of scrimmage, find an opening in the defense, 1:11:53.920 --> 1:11:56.080 sit down, catch the football, move the James. Yeah, and 1:11:56.240 --> 1:11:59.240 that mus it's not gonna be flashy and he might not, 1:11:59.439 --> 1:12:02.160 you know, remember because again the comp before the draft 1:12:02.240 --> 1:12:03.559 with Jakobe Myers looks. 1:12:03.439 --> 1:12:05.160 It's the same role. 1:12:05.320 --> 1:12:08.320 He is a spinning edge of Jacob Myers went what 1:12:08.479 --> 1:12:11.160 three years before his first NFL touchdown something like that. Like, 1:12:11.640 --> 1:12:13.719 I would not be surprised if Jalen Polk is similar. 1:12:13.840 --> 1:12:16.600 But he's gonna be the guy third and gotta have it. 1:12:17.520 --> 1:12:20.559 He is going to find a spot. Just pass the six, 1:12:21.040 --> 1:12:24.000 get open, catch the ball, fall down like that. In there, 1:12:24.120 --> 1:12:27.200 it's it's an important role. Now it's diminished. And part 1:12:27.240 --> 1:12:30.080 of the reason the offense ind pop with Jacoby Myers 1:12:30.120 --> 1:12:34.479 here is that role gets a lot sexier when you 1:12:34.640 --> 1:12:36.920 have somebody out there opposite who's a threat to make 1:12:36.960 --> 1:12:39.720 the big play. And Jacoby Myers never really played with 1:12:39.800 --> 1:12:42.920 that guy. He is now in Vegas with DeVante Adams. 1:12:43.280 --> 1:12:46.760 But you hope either Baker's that guy, or you add 1:12:46.840 --> 1:12:49.400 that guy next year or whatever, we'll get to one 1:12:49.439 --> 1:12:51.519 other guy that maybe gives them a stop gap there. 1:12:52.560 --> 1:12:54.640 But I'm not gonna go that far yet. But like, 1:12:55.160 --> 1:12:58.439 when you look at Polk in that context, he's had 1:12:58.479 --> 1:13:02.040 a great camp. If you're affecting him to be, you know, 1:13:02.600 --> 1:13:06.080 seven eight touchdown guy, a fifteen yards per reception guy, like, 1:13:06.160 --> 1:13:09.000 he's not gonna be that, but that's not who he 1:13:09.160 --> 1:13:10.479 is that somebody was drafted to be. 1:13:10.720 --> 1:13:14.200 So my question with Jalen Polk, my one question because 1:13:14.200 --> 1:13:19.639 I've been impressed. He runs great routes. He gets open enough. 1:13:20.000 --> 1:13:21.600 You know, he's not a big time separator, but he 1:13:21.680 --> 1:13:24.800 gets open enough right, and he's got good The hands 1:13:24.840 --> 1:13:30.160 are as advertised, really good hands and just really incredibly 1:13:30.680 --> 1:13:33.160 fluid and smooth at the top of the route. Here 1:13:33.200 --> 1:13:35.760 in a route on Marcella's dial today on the goal line, 1:13:36.080 --> 1:13:39.560 and it's just it's so silky, yeah, you know, and 1:13:39.640 --> 1:13:43.160 there's no wasted movement, and he has nice burst off 1:13:43.200 --> 1:13:46.240 the line and into the route. Really just Jacoby Myers 1:13:46.400 --> 1:13:48.640 like through and through. It looks so much. Now my 1:13:48.760 --> 1:13:53.240 question with him, yeah, is okay, So his average target 1:13:53.320 --> 1:13:55.320 depth stay with the nerds with me for a second. 1:13:55.720 --> 1:13:58.360 I'll give you a dot that is a tangible number. 1:13:58.479 --> 1:14:00.600 His average target depth is gonna be about nine or 1:14:00.640 --> 1:14:04.200 ten yards something like that. So can he turn nine 1:14:04.240 --> 1:14:07.960 and ten yard a dots into thirteen fourteen yards per 1:14:08.040 --> 1:14:10.479 catch or is he gonna be nine and ten a 1:14:10.600 --> 1:14:13.040 dots and ten yards per catch? Because that's gonna be 1:14:13.040 --> 1:14:16.080 the difference between him being seventy for seven hundred and 1:14:16.240 --> 1:14:18.280 seventy for one thousand. So what I think is gonna 1:14:18.320 --> 1:14:20.680 help him, And so this year I think he's more 1:14:20.720 --> 1:14:25.360 that ten you know, nine a dot ten yards per catch. Guy. Yeah, 1:14:25.640 --> 1:14:29.639 but ideally, and again we're putting on our ideal hats here. Yes, 1:14:30.240 --> 1:14:33.080 if Drake May pans out, yeah, teams are gonna have 1:14:33.160 --> 1:14:35.400 to pay play a ton of zone against Drake May 1:14:35.560 --> 1:14:38.280 because you can't have defenders turning their eyes away from 1:14:38.320 --> 1:14:41.080 him when he's a threat to run. Sure, when Polk 1:14:41.160 --> 1:14:44.920 sees zone, he's able to find space where he can 1:14:45.040 --> 1:14:47.479 catch the ball nine yards downfield but has room to 1:14:47.600 --> 1:14:50.040 run and set himself up with room to run. If 1:14:50.160 --> 1:14:52.080 Drake May can get to the level where teams are 1:14:52.080 --> 1:14:54.360 forced into zone against the Patriots, or at least like 1:14:54.520 --> 1:14:57.720 defenders keeping their eyes on the quarterback, yeah, it's going 1:14:57.800 --> 1:14:59.599 to unlock another level for Jalen Polk. 1:15:00.120 --> 1:15:01.920 He's he's been if that makes sense. I don't know 1:15:01.920 --> 1:15:03.640 if I explained that right. Yeah, he's been good, and 1:15:03.720 --> 1:15:07.040 I think that there's a lot of reasons to be excited. 1:15:07.120 --> 1:15:10.280 And I just for the record, I did not think 1:15:10.479 --> 1:15:13.160 that Nikhil Harry and Taekwon Thornton looked like this in 1:15:13.200 --> 1:15:16.360 their rookie camps. I think they both had flashes like 1:15:16.479 --> 1:15:18.040 maybe if you wanted to put them more in the 1:15:18.080 --> 1:15:22.000 Baker school. I think they both had flashes as rookies, 1:15:22.680 --> 1:15:25.160 you know, before their injuries. Obviously, I'll say that too, 1:15:25.240 --> 1:15:26.519 And that's where we need to be careful here. 1:15:26.600 --> 1:15:29.840 I I always said, I think because players don't just 1:15:30.000 --> 1:15:32.599 like suck, players don't forget how to play football. There's 1:15:32.640 --> 1:15:37.360 usually a reason behind why players careers get derailed. Harry 1:15:37.760 --> 1:15:40.200 and Thornton both got hurt in their first camp and 1:15:40.280 --> 1:15:43.320 they lost development time, and especially in the system the 1:15:43.360 --> 1:15:46.360 Patriots were using at the time, there was just significant 1:15:46.400 --> 1:15:48.479 catch up that they didn't have time to do. So 1:15:49.680 --> 1:15:54.200 so Polk stays healthy, but I think he's well. 1:15:54.240 --> 1:15:55.880 Harry was a big guy. I don't know what that was. 1:15:55.960 --> 1:15:57.840 Just he hurt himself and they put him back in. 1:15:58.120 --> 1:16:01.040 That was a whole other thing. Thorn Like was always 1:16:01.080 --> 1:16:01.800 a threat to get hurt. 1:16:02.080 --> 1:16:05.320 Polk's built more to maintain at the NFL level. 1:16:05.439 --> 1:16:08.840 Yeah, absolutely, all right, who else he got? What was 1:16:08.840 --> 1:16:09.240 your second? 1:16:09.240 --> 1:16:09.320 Oh? 1:16:09.360 --> 1:16:12.000 No, your second was the Rokie receivers. Yes, Marx Jones. 1:16:13.200 --> 1:16:17.280 I think Marcus, just so there's two guys I think 1:16:17.320 --> 1:16:20.880 you could argue have been the best most consistent defensive players. 1:16:20.560 --> 1:16:21.000 In this camp. 1:16:21.280 --> 1:16:24.000 Yeah, Marcus Jones is one of them. He has been 1:16:24.720 --> 1:16:28.840 just excellent coverage. He's constantly on the receiver. He's done 1:16:28.880 --> 1:16:30.519 it from different spots. He's done it from the slot, 1:16:30.560 --> 1:16:32.360 he's done it from the boundary. He's done playing safety 1:16:32.360 --> 1:16:34.720 a little bit. He's had some really He's had a 1:16:34.840 --> 1:16:37.519 pass break up, like a physical pass breakup against Jalen 1:16:37.560 --> 1:16:39.639 Polk who's much bigger than him. He had a physical 1:16:39.640 --> 1:16:41.960 pass break up against Jujus Smith Schuster today, who is 1:16:42.000 --> 1:16:43.920 bigger than him. We can talk about where Juju's at, 1:16:44.000 --> 1:16:47.080 but he is strong, like upper body. Juju is strong, 1:16:47.160 --> 1:16:51.240 and Jones punched the ball out big development. If he's 1:16:51.280 --> 1:16:53.840 still going to give you that inside outside versatility. 1:16:53.439 --> 1:16:55.880 Yeah, it's starting Nickel right now. And I don't think 1:16:55.920 --> 1:16:58.200 it's close. You know, I think, what is he there? 1:16:58.240 --> 1:16:59.920 Starting nick Or is he a guy that they're gonna 1:17:00.080 --> 1:17:01.600 up on the boundary. No, I think it's starting to 1:17:02.320 --> 1:17:03.880 like you can wrap on the boundary if you need 1:17:03.960 --> 1:17:06.560 him to. Yeah, I think he probably could. But I 1:17:07.720 --> 1:17:11.599 Gonzo John Jones, Marcus Jones is your top three right now. 1:17:12.160 --> 1:17:15.920 And it to me, it's gonna be hard for somebody 1:17:16.000 --> 1:17:18.160 to make a push like an alxaucetin in ourn isable. Well, 1:17:18.160 --> 1:17:21.439 I'm just saying if there's injury or whatever, and yeah, 1:17:21.800 --> 1:17:24.759 he gives you that at least where where John Jones 1:17:24.800 --> 1:17:27.240 and Marcus Jones physically actually line up. 1:17:27.320 --> 1:17:30.880 Yeah, might morph week to week, game to game, drive 1:17:30.960 --> 1:17:35.200 to drive, whatever, but those three guys are pretty entrenched, 1:17:35.240 --> 1:17:38.000 I would say right now. Uh, and where they're gonna 1:17:38.000 --> 1:17:40.280 play in terms of playing time like that, those are 1:17:40.320 --> 1:17:42.519 gonna be the top three guys. The other thing, and 1:17:42.600 --> 1:17:44.240 we haven't seen a ton of it, and we haven't 1:17:44.240 --> 1:17:47.320 seen it truly live live yet. He is going to 1:17:47.400 --> 1:17:49.719 be a monster on kickoff returns. 1:17:49.960 --> 1:17:52.880 And I still wonder if they're gonna put him back 1:17:52.880 --> 1:17:57.519 there on kickoff return, why wouldn't they injury if he's 1:17:57.600 --> 1:17:59.840 playing this, Well, it's a corner they have other kick 1:18:00.040 --> 1:18:00.320 turn off. 1:18:00.400 --> 1:18:02.519 Oh that's a bummer though, because this is. 1:18:02.680 --> 1:18:05.000 Maybe he becomes a guy where it's like he's not 1:18:05.040 --> 1:18:07.120 go return every kickoff. But when you get to a 1:18:07.200 --> 1:18:08.920 big point in gate it, I mean, he's got to 1:18:08.920 --> 1:18:10.840 be the primary punt returner. And that's the other thing. 1:18:10.880 --> 1:18:12.599 He's going to be the primary punt returner. And it's 1:18:12.720 --> 1:18:16.120 just they I feel like a big difference between the 1:18:16.160 --> 1:18:18.400 old just and there's no inside information here, it's just 1:18:18.439 --> 1:18:21.000 hearing the way people talk. Yeah, I feel like the 1:18:21.080 --> 1:18:24.000 current coaching staff maybe thinks he was overworked in the 1:18:24.080 --> 1:18:26.280 past between offense. 1:18:26.040 --> 1:18:30.160 Multiple positions, Well, it's multiple positions on defense. Yeah, kick returns, 1:18:30.240 --> 1:18:31.559 punt returns, and offense. 1:18:31.640 --> 1:18:34.840 And if they just let's let's have him be great 1:18:35.439 --> 1:18:38.439 at three things rather than have him be just above 1:18:38.439 --> 1:18:40.920 average at five things. I wonder if there's kind of 1:18:41.000 --> 1:18:44.080 and we'll see what happens with guys like Jalen Rager 1:18:44.120 --> 1:18:46.120 and guys like Jahem Bell and things like that. But 1:18:46.720 --> 1:18:49.000 I do wonder if there's an element of we have 1:18:49.120 --> 1:18:51.880 other guys that can return kicks. It doesn't need to 1:18:51.920 --> 1:18:52.559 be on his plate. 1:18:52.920 --> 1:18:54.280 Let's not put it on his plate. So I think 1:18:54.320 --> 1:18:58.800 it's fair to say that what you said about it's 1:18:58.840 --> 1:19:01.479 the fourth quarter, you're a touchdown and you need a 1:19:01.600 --> 1:19:05.479 field flipping return. You know, maybe you have Marcus Jones 1:19:05.520 --> 1:19:07.800 back there for that, but maybe he's not back there 1:19:07.800 --> 1:19:10.760 every single time. But I also feel like we might 1:19:10.800 --> 1:19:13.759 get into the season and it might be touchback city anyways. 1:19:14.000 --> 1:19:16.400 That too, I think teams are gonna be petrified, So 1:19:16.520 --> 1:19:19.799 I didn't realize seeing it in person. I didn't realize 1:19:19.960 --> 1:19:23.000 how far in front of the returner the setup lines 1:19:23.000 --> 1:19:26.639 are because that part's different than the old XFL. There's 1:19:26.800 --> 1:19:28.840 so much room to set things up, like, that's what 1:19:28.920 --> 1:19:30.560 I'm saying. I think teams are gonna be scared of this. 1:19:30.880 --> 1:19:34.160 That's why I feel like Marcus Jones would just be dynamite. 1:19:34.200 --> 1:19:35.920 I also want there's so much space. 1:19:36.360 --> 1:19:40.120 I also wonder, because Girodmeo kind of let it slip 1:19:40.160 --> 1:19:42.000 the other day that the league is still tinkering with 1:19:42.120 --> 1:19:47.320 and finalizing the rules, the touchback being at the thirty 1:19:47.439 --> 1:19:48.320 is not going to be enough. 1:19:48.560 --> 1:19:49.840 It might have to go up to the thirty five, 1:19:50.320 --> 1:19:51.160 forty forty. 1:19:51.560 --> 1:19:53.800 I wonder if the league steps in because they want 1:19:53.880 --> 1:19:56.200 this to be a play. They want a kickoff, they 1:19:56.240 --> 1:19:57.120 want an exciting plays. 1:19:57.160 --> 1:19:59.840 They're calling it the Dynamic kickoff, and look it is 1:20:00.120 --> 1:20:03.080 it's a league wide initiative to hype up this thing. Okay, 1:20:03.240 --> 1:20:03.919 this is important. 1:20:04.360 --> 1:20:06.360 Well let me say this is we're on a sort 1:20:06.400 --> 1:20:09.920 of league airwaves here, Like, yeah, when it's played out, 1:20:10.360 --> 1:20:11.760 it is a very exciting play. 1:20:12.000 --> 1:20:18.160 Yeah, I just don't think the where disincentive is there? 1:20:18.520 --> 1:20:21.040 Yeah, I hear what you're saying, right, Like, I think 1:20:21.120 --> 1:20:22.920 there's gonna be a lot of teams that kind of 1:20:22.960 --> 1:20:25.959 start working on this thing and think there's so much opportunity. 1:20:26.000 --> 1:20:28.200 They're gonna see how the potent, how potentially exciting is 1:20:28.240 --> 1:20:30.680 for the return team and say this isn't worth it. 1:20:31.160 --> 1:20:33.280 We'll we'll give up the extra five yards and start 1:20:33.320 --> 1:20:35.160 at the thirty. And I wonder if the team sees 1:20:35.200 --> 1:20:37.040 that in the preseason, because I think they're doing this 1:20:37.120 --> 1:20:38.680 by the seat of their pants. They won't change it 1:20:38.760 --> 1:20:40.920 during the regular season. I wonder if they see it 1:20:41.000 --> 1:20:44.840 during the preseason and say, nope, touchbacks now the forty. Yeah, 1:20:44.880 --> 1:20:47.720 figure that out. And if not this year, I think 1:20:47.800 --> 1:20:49.680 next year for sure. If teams are using this as 1:20:49.800 --> 1:20:52.400 for or just kicking touchbacks, I think next year we 1:20:52.439 --> 1:20:55.439 see the touchback line moving to the thirty five or 1:20:55.479 --> 1:20:58.960 the forty and really incentivizing teams to kick this off 1:20:59.000 --> 1:20:59.759 and have a play. 1:21:00.120 --> 1:21:02.560 Offensive line of the recouiver receivers and Marcus Jones, you 1:21:02.600 --> 1:21:03.120 have one more? 1:21:03.800 --> 1:21:07.640 Uh yeah, ke On White, Yeah, so go ahead, yeah, no, 1:21:07.840 --> 1:21:10.120 just he's been excellent on the edge, like he was 1:21:10.160 --> 1:21:11.960 hyped up in the springs. Rod Meo said he's been 1:21:12.000 --> 1:21:14.840 improved and talk about the year two jump and especially 1:21:14.840 --> 1:21:17.120 against the run. I mean, he's been a monster. He's 1:21:17.160 --> 1:21:20.040 been a problem, and he's been getting into the backfield regularly. 1:21:20.160 --> 1:21:21.720 And this is a guy they really need to take 1:21:21.760 --> 1:21:25.320 that next jump, and he's early indications are he's doing 1:21:25.360 --> 1:21:28.320 it like he he of all the young players, all 1:21:28.360 --> 1:21:30.600 the players on rookie contracts called the last you know, 1:21:30.760 --> 1:21:33.080 twenty two to twenty three, it would be twenty. There's 1:21:33.080 --> 1:21:35.240 nobody left from twenty one. There's a couple, but caught 1:21:35.280 --> 1:21:37.559 like the twenty one twenty twenty three draft classes. Right. 1:21:38.600 --> 1:21:40.760 I don't think anybody's taken as big of a jump 1:21:41.200 --> 1:21:43.639 as Keon White. I don't think anybody's close to taking 1:21:43.680 --> 1:21:45.799 as big of a jump as ke On White looks. 1:21:45.640 --> 1:21:48.559 Like he's taking. So I think he's made some plays 1:21:48.560 --> 1:21:53.080 against the run. Yeah, I I don't necessarily see the 1:21:53.160 --> 1:21:56.040 breakout camp that some of the other guys down here 1:21:56.080 --> 1:22:01.040 have seen. And I'm not saying that they're or you're wrong. Yeah, 1:22:01.160 --> 1:22:04.000 I just haven't necessarily seen it that way one hundred percent. 1:22:04.920 --> 1:22:07.479 But the biggest reason why to me that I haven't 1:22:07.600 --> 1:22:10.559 is because I still don't necessarily see like the twitched 1:22:10.640 --> 1:22:14.040 up one on one pass rusher, if he's schemed into 1:22:14.080 --> 1:22:16.559 the pass rush, like if they're running stunts and picks 1:22:16.600 --> 1:22:18.200 and stuff like that for him and he just has 1:22:18.640 --> 1:22:20.840 a straight line to the quarterback and he can just 1:22:20.960 --> 1:22:24.120 kind of, you know, be a linear athlete in that respect, 1:22:24.360 --> 1:22:27.160 or if he wants to just use straight power. I 1:22:27.240 --> 1:22:30.040 think those things are there. He's still to me a 1:22:31.240 --> 1:22:34.479 a developing player in terms of his pass rush. Now, 1:22:34.560 --> 1:22:38.599 maybe Covington and Joe Kim and you know, the new 1:22:38.640 --> 1:22:41.240 defensive line coach on plagging on, maybe maybe they get 1:22:41.479 --> 1:22:46.080 him there. That's eventually. I'm hopeful because he's definitely a 1:22:46.120 --> 1:22:48.479 wrecking ball, Like there's no doubt about that. Like he's 1:22:49.000 --> 1:22:51.439 a wrecking ball against the run, and he's a splash player, 1:22:51.840 --> 1:22:55.400 uh in that respect. But I I when you watch 1:22:55.479 --> 1:22:57.479 them and do one on ones and stuff like that too, 1:22:57.960 --> 1:22:59.560 he still just looks a little bit stiff to me. 1:22:59.720 --> 1:23:02.479 So I don't think he's ever gonna be that twitched 1:23:02.560 --> 1:23:06.920 up quick pass rush. Yeah, he's gonna be, and we 1:23:07.040 --> 1:23:10.000 saw it last year. Like he's athletic, Yeah, he's a 1:23:10.160 --> 1:23:13.280 bull rusher. I think his best way to win, he's 1:23:13.479 --> 1:23:15.760 he needs a counter. He needs a counter, but I 1:23:15.800 --> 1:23:18.840 think his best way to win his initial punch is 1:23:18.920 --> 1:23:21.800 so strong, yea, get the lineman off balance, and then 1:23:21.840 --> 1:23:24.640 when that guy's off balance, he can run around him. 1:23:24.880 --> 1:23:28.160 Like he does need a counter to that. But we 1:23:28.280 --> 1:23:30.599 talked about this last year. That initial punch from him 1:23:31.280 --> 1:23:33.280 is yeah, I mean it can knock a guy out 1:23:33.320 --> 1:23:36.920 for not knockout, but like you can essentially render and right, 1:23:37.000 --> 1:23:39.200 you can stun alignment for a play. And this is 1:23:39.280 --> 1:23:41.200 I remember him doing against the Eagles last year, where 1:23:41.240 --> 1:23:44.080 he would hit that punch, the lineman would get off balance, 1:23:44.080 --> 1:23:46.320 he'd get in the backfield. Jalen Hurts ran out and 1:23:46.400 --> 1:23:48.439 this happened like three or four times, and Keon White's 1:23:48.479 --> 1:23:50.080 running steph for a step with him as he runs 1:23:50.080 --> 1:23:51.320 out and never let him get the edge. 1:23:51.400 --> 1:23:54.519 Like he's definitely an athletic line in a very good 1:23:54.600 --> 1:23:59.479 linear right. He's powerful and he's athletic. He's just not quick, 1:24:00.040 --> 1:24:03.360 He's not he's not overly bendy and so normally like 1:24:03.479 --> 1:24:06.080 guys that can really rack up sacks and pressures like 1:24:06.160 --> 1:24:09.240 a Judean j when you know he's rolling, those guys 1:24:09.520 --> 1:24:11.840 obviously have great first steps, but they're also very bendy. 1:24:12.040 --> 1:24:14.800 So I'm trying to think here, who's like the who's 1:24:14.800 --> 1:24:17.559 a pass rusher that wins, like mainly just by being 1:24:17.880 --> 1:24:20.000 stronger and more physically dominant on the. 1:24:20.280 --> 1:24:22.559 I would say this guy in the middle. The closest 1:24:22.600 --> 1:24:24.640 thing I would say is probably like Rashaun Gary in 1:24:24.760 --> 1:24:27.360 Green Bay. Yeah, but doesn't he play on the interior. No, 1:24:27.720 --> 1:24:33.000 he's pure Oh don't I'm thinking of continue. Yeah, He's 1:24:33.080 --> 1:24:36.760 probably the closest thing that I can think of that's 1:24:36.800 --> 1:24:40.000 not you know, a super veteran player, a retired player, 1:24:40.080 --> 1:24:41.560 or anything like well, no, give me, give me a 1:24:41.600 --> 1:24:44.559 retied play, give me some Okay. So I would say 1:24:44.600 --> 1:24:47.120 that Rashaan Gary is the first one that comes to mind. Yeah, 1:24:47.760 --> 1:24:49.439 I mentioned him earlier in the show, just with the 1:24:49.760 --> 1:24:52.120 Judan stuff. Like I think Zadarius Smith is a guy 1:24:52.160 --> 1:24:56.280 that wins with it, like a pure power type of guy. 1:24:56.880 --> 1:25:02.040 Those guys always worry me because typically they can disrupt 1:25:02.280 --> 1:25:05.439 and they can knock a lineman off their rails, and 1:25:05.479 --> 1:25:08.160 they're good against the run because they're sturdy. But in 1:25:08.320 --> 1:25:13.120 terms of if we're talking about Keon White replacing Matthew Judonne, 1:25:13.800 --> 1:25:15.639 they need that player to be a finisher. 1:25:15.760 --> 1:25:17.680 So right, if he's gonna replace jud On, you need 1:25:17.720 --> 1:25:21.759 more than that. But if he's gonna be your secondary, Yeah, I'm. 1:25:21.640 --> 1:25:26.280 Not low on No, I just personally, I think for 1:25:26.400 --> 1:25:29.400 him to go from what he was last year, or 1:25:29.680 --> 1:25:31.920 really just to go from like there's a difference between 1:25:32.000 --> 1:25:34.600 being disruptive and being productive. This is ago one in 1:25:34.640 --> 1:25:39.800 the chat Justin Tuck possibly like we were a little young. 1:25:39.880 --> 1:25:42.439 For Justin Tuck, he was just me. He was just 1:25:42.560 --> 1:25:43.160 mean and physical. 1:25:43.240 --> 1:25:46.200 He just threw guys aside. There wasn't it wasn't really 1:25:46.320 --> 1:25:48.840 dressed up. There wasn't a ton of like, oh look 1:25:48.880 --> 1:25:50.400 at the footwork, Oh look at the hands. 1:25:50.400 --> 1:25:51.240 It was just wow. 1:25:51.360 --> 1:25:53.439 He just kind of tossed that guy. Yeah, and I 1:25:53.479 --> 1:25:55.160 think that's what you hope Keon White becomes. 1:25:55.280 --> 1:25:56.200 Yeah, I agree with. 1:25:56.280 --> 1:25:58.439 All that, but he I mean, that's for him to 1:25:58.520 --> 1:26:00.880 hit that like elite love like for what he is 1:26:01.000 --> 1:26:04.799 right now, he's still projecting to be a good, useful 1:26:05.160 --> 1:26:09.800 you know what's the word I'm looking for. No, but 1:26:10.000 --> 1:26:12.280 like disruptive player. 1:26:12.439 --> 1:26:16.080 Yes, I think there's a very good chance that he 1:26:16.680 --> 1:26:18.080 ends up being a guy that has a lot of 1:26:18.160 --> 1:26:22.360 hurries and a lot of like pressure, but I don't 1:26:22.400 --> 1:26:25.280 know about the sacks element of it yet. And the 1:26:25.360 --> 1:26:28.559 sack element comes comes through finishers, right, like a rip 1:26:28.680 --> 1:26:31.599 move or you know, some sort of finisher that allows 1:26:31.640 --> 1:26:34.479 you to actually get to the quarterback and make contact 1:26:34.520 --> 1:26:38.360 with the quarterback. He's getting there, they need to give 1:26:38.439 --> 1:26:40.760 him a counter. Like he could be a long arm 1:26:40.840 --> 1:26:43.560 bul rush type of guy and probably just do that 1:26:43.880 --> 1:26:46.920 all the time and be disruptive. But if he had 1:26:47.000 --> 1:26:49.120 some sort of a counter. Now, the counter that I 1:26:49.200 --> 1:26:52.599 think he'll probably get to is probably like an inside counter, 1:26:52.720 --> 1:26:56.280 like whether it's like a crossover or an arm over 1:26:56.360 --> 1:26:59.000 swim move type of inside the move. Who had that move? 1:26:59.439 --> 1:27:02.840 I think this was von Miller thing where like he 1:27:03.439 --> 1:27:04.800 faked the bull rush. 1:27:05.040 --> 1:27:07.240 He's kind of got his arms out and the line 1:27:07.280 --> 1:27:09.960 and like he anticipated it and then just he stopped 1:27:10.000 --> 1:27:11.360 right before he hit him and the line was all 1:27:11.439 --> 1:27:12.599 off balance and then he just kind. 1:27:12.520 --> 1:27:13.320 Of b who was that? 1:27:13.720 --> 1:27:13.760 So? 1:27:14.200 --> 1:27:17.479 So von Miller patten in the ghost rush, which is 1:27:17.640 --> 1:27:20.439 like you go speed to power and then instead of 1:27:20.880 --> 1:27:24.040 actually making contact. Yeah, so the lineman embraces instead of 1:27:24.080 --> 1:27:26.559 actually making contact, you just dip underneath. 1:27:26.680 --> 1:27:29.040 Right, Okay, That's what I'm thinking of because Josh Josh 1:27:29.120 --> 1:27:30.840 Ucha was working on that at one point. Well, so 1:27:30.920 --> 1:27:32.920 that's called a ghost rush. Yeah, and Von Miller is 1:27:33.000 --> 1:27:35.799 usually the guy that people give credit to for popular 1:27:36.320 --> 1:27:38.559 popular rising. I thought it was von Miller. I mean, 1:27:38.600 --> 1:27:40.400 he obviously has much more in his bay, his bag. 1:27:40.479 --> 1:27:43.760 He can rush any which way. But yeah, okay, let's 1:27:43.800 --> 1:27:46.559 do down. Yeah, we're we're all up with it, all 1:27:46.640 --> 1:27:48.800 done with ups right, Yeah, okay. 1:27:49.040 --> 1:27:49.400 Number one. 1:27:49.760 --> 1:27:51.320 You know what, actually I have an honorable mention up 1:27:51.360 --> 1:27:52.960 because I'm too afraid to put him on my list. 1:27:53.040 --> 1:27:55.080 But he's had a good camp. Oh I know, I think, 1:27:55.120 --> 1:27:58.000 I know. Yeah, Taekwon Thorne. Yeah, you know. 1:27:58.080 --> 1:27:59.720 I can't do it to my and I don't want 1:27:59.760 --> 1:28:01.840 to do it, but I also don't want to be unfair. 1:28:01.920 --> 1:28:04.519 The guy's been good, and let's give him credit. Yeah, 1:28:04.720 --> 1:28:06.519 he's been good, and he's been good when the pads 1:28:06.560 --> 1:28:08.519 are on. And the reason I'm hesitant to do it 1:28:08.640 --> 1:28:10.720 is because he'll come out tomorrow and land weird and 1:28:10.800 --> 1:28:11.400 hurt himself. 1:28:11.640 --> 1:28:14.240 But like I'm more hesitant to do it, Like that's 1:28:14.320 --> 1:28:15.760 definitely in play, and. 1:28:16.160 --> 1:28:18.920 I okay, right, let's put this qualifyer on it. Neither 1:28:18.960 --> 1:28:21.880 one of us are projecting anything forward. He could still 1:28:22.080 --> 1:28:23.160 very well not make the team. 1:28:23.200 --> 1:28:25.599 Objectively, he's had a good game through seven days. 1:28:27.000 --> 1:28:29.799 He's and this is with Kendrick Born and Pop Douglas 1:28:29.920 --> 1:28:33.679 essentially not practicing. Yes, Taekwon Thornton's been their best veteran 1:28:33.720 --> 1:28:34.240 wide receiver. 1:28:34.840 --> 1:28:37.720 Yeah, I don't think that's a todd take. Like I 1:28:37.840 --> 1:28:40.000 said in this, Well, there's a lot of qualifiers on that, 1:28:40.200 --> 1:28:42.200 but the biggest qualifier to me is just like, can 1:28:42.280 --> 1:28:44.040 you actually do it in an NFL regularly? 1:28:44.120 --> 1:28:44.240 Right? 1:28:44.360 --> 1:28:45.920 So that's it's one thing to do it out here. 1:28:46.040 --> 1:28:48.519 I'm so far Again, it was just on filgrim has it, 1:28:48.680 --> 1:28:50.960 don't go draft him in fantasy, to which Felger said, 1:28:50.960 --> 1:28:52.559 I didn't have to worry about him doing that. Yeah, 1:28:52.720 --> 1:28:57.880 but he Objectively, he's he's beaten Christian Zalezen one on 1:28:58.000 --> 1:29:01.679 ones and team, he's getting a open, he's catching the ball. 1:29:01.840 --> 1:29:03.840 Drops haven't really been an issue for him. I don't 1:29:03.960 --> 1:29:07.560 remember him having any drops. He's making contested catches like 1:29:08.400 --> 1:29:10.519 he's doing all the things we've kind of wanted him. 1:29:10.560 --> 1:29:13.080 How you're doing, Taekwon? No, but but I'm saying now 1:29:13.240 --> 1:29:17.320 you're doing tables have turned but I'm not because the 1:29:17.400 --> 1:29:19.439 difference is I'm putting all of this in the past tense. 1:29:19.520 --> 1:29:21.000 You're going to talk me into this again, I am 1:29:21.040 --> 1:29:23.960 putting all of this in the past tense. And here's 1:29:24.000 --> 1:29:30.439 the difference. Two years of game action significantly outweigh seven 1:29:30.479 --> 1:29:33.240 training camp practices, no doubt, and I still know the guy. 1:29:33.320 --> 1:29:35.880 He's been in games and that's why he's on here 1:29:35.960 --> 1:29:38.920 because he hasn't looked like that in these practices. He's 1:29:38.960 --> 1:29:40.559 got to do it in a preseason game and he's 1:29:40.600 --> 1:29:43.839 got to get to the season healthy because he's started 1:29:43.880 --> 1:29:45.080 his first two years on IR. 1:29:45.520 --> 1:29:48.200 But he's actually says he does he have to do 1:29:48.280 --> 1:29:51.040 it in the preseason, like, yes, does he have to play? Yes, 1:29:51.960 --> 1:29:54.439 Almas wouldn't play him. No, he has to play because 1:29:54.880 --> 1:29:59.000 he's playing plenty of because you need to prove this 1:29:59.160 --> 1:30:01.760 isn't fools gold. So I think the two things I 1:30:01.920 --> 1:30:04.519 need to see this I hereet, I think the two 1:30:04.560 --> 1:30:07.000 things I'll give you. Taekwon. Yeah, let's give two Taekwon 1:30:07.160 --> 1:30:09.800 Number one I said back in the spring, and you 1:30:09.920 --> 1:30:12.680 made fun of me for doing taekwan again, there's a 1:30:12.960 --> 1:30:17.439 very very distinct role for him in this offense. That 1:30:19.400 --> 1:30:23.080 is needed and that's that speed X. So they're gonna 1:30:23.120 --> 1:30:25.760 run a ton of two man route concepts and if 1:30:25.800 --> 1:30:28.080 you don't have somebody that can take the top off 1:30:28.120 --> 1:30:30.720 the defense and make the safety stay deep, then the 1:30:30.840 --> 1:30:34.840 whole thing goes to crap. Like you need somebody that 1:30:34.920 --> 1:30:37.479 can run down the field. It's that simple. It might 1:30:37.640 --> 1:30:40.439 come to the point where it's just win sprints seventy 1:30:40.520 --> 1:30:42.920 five percent of the time. But if you get one 1:30:42.960 --> 1:30:45.360 on one coverage deep and you're on that deep over 1:30:45.600 --> 1:30:48.800 that deep post route or a clear out on a vertical, like, 1:30:48.920 --> 1:30:51.360 you have to be able to win one on one yeah, 1:30:51.439 --> 1:30:53.880 and you have to be or take the safety with you. 1:30:54.640 --> 1:30:58.400 And there's nobody else on this team right now that 1:30:59.479 --> 1:31:01.839 does that like well at Taekwon. 1:31:01.960 --> 1:31:04.120 So here's the thing, as I say all this, I 1:31:04.200 --> 1:31:05.920 still don't know if I would do a roster projection 1:31:06.040 --> 1:31:08.200 day that I have Taekwon on the team. Yeah, because 1:31:08.720 --> 1:31:11.240 Javon Baker's also looked really good and he's gonna do 1:31:11.320 --> 1:31:12.720 that differently, but he could do that. 1:31:13.000 --> 1:31:15.600 Yeah. So the second thing I'd give Taekwon is that 1:31:15.720 --> 1:31:18.320 I do feel like the seven or eight pounds of 1:31:18.400 --> 1:31:21.479 muscle that he's put on. I tangibly do see some 1:31:21.640 --> 1:31:24.360 of it. Like I feel like he's more physical. And 1:31:24.680 --> 1:31:27.360 I don't mean that he's like bodying people and stuff 1:31:27.439 --> 1:31:30.120 like that. I just mean he's like more sturdy, Like 1:31:30.240 --> 1:31:32.920 he doesn't look like so frail out there, and like 1:31:33.040 --> 1:31:36.080 people are just you know, pushing him around and bodying 1:31:36.200 --> 1:31:41.559 him everywhere. It feels like he's more, he's denser. Yeah, 1:31:41.680 --> 1:31:42.240 I just look. 1:31:42.360 --> 1:31:45.360 I need to see more because again, the two years 1:31:45.479 --> 1:31:48.920 out weigh seven practices. Yeah, but I do think you 1:31:48.920 --> 1:31:50.600 should give credit where credits due. He's been one of 1:31:50.640 --> 1:31:51.639 their better players this summer. 1:31:51.680 --> 1:31:56.599 Fair enough, let's get to the downs. Speaking of receivers. Yeah, 1:31:57.200 --> 1:31:59.600 the number one down I think for everybody. If you 1:31:59.680 --> 1:32:02.120 ask to any every beat writer that's been here every 1:32:02.160 --> 1:32:04.240 single day like you and I is Juju Smith Schuster. 1:32:04.360 --> 1:32:07.280 It's rough Man. It's rough to watch rough And if 1:32:07.640 --> 1:32:10.759 he wasn't one of these guys that made a boatload 1:32:10.800 --> 1:32:12.599 of money in his NFL career and as a made 1:32:12.640 --> 1:32:16.599 man with a ring, I would genuinely feel bad watching him. 1:32:16.880 --> 1:32:19.840 It looks painful sometimes watching him through these go through 1:32:19.880 --> 1:32:21.760 these practices. There's an argument to be made. 1:32:21.760 --> 1:32:21.840 Door. 1:32:21.840 --> 1:32:24.120 I saw my roster. Yeah, I do. There's an argument 1:32:24.160 --> 1:32:25.120 to be made that he's been there. 1:32:25.200 --> 1:32:26.880 I just said, like Tae Kwon's been their best and 1:32:27.080 --> 1:32:29.840 that comes with some qualifiers, but their best veteran receiver 1:32:30.760 --> 1:32:31.840 has Juju been their worst? 1:32:32.400 --> 1:32:32.559 Now? 1:32:33.560 --> 1:32:36.960 Look Jaquai Jackson, right, Kawan Baker. These guys aren't getting 1:32:37.000 --> 1:32:40.400 a ton of reps David Wallace, but there have been. 1:32:41.439 --> 1:32:41.799 JAQUAIH. 1:32:41.840 --> 1:32:43.639 Jackson had a diving catch the second day camp. 1:32:43.720 --> 1:32:46.400 Yeah, Dakuai Jackson's had at least a couple of catches. 1:32:46.520 --> 1:32:49.599 Kawan Baker at a touchdown today, like he gets open occasionally. 1:32:49.680 --> 1:32:51.599 Even David Wallace had one where it was a deep 1:32:51.640 --> 1:32:53.560 ball from Joe Milton that he caught up to like 1:32:53.760 --> 1:32:56.160 it's a little overthrown and he got his wheels going 1:32:56.200 --> 1:32:56.840 he got up to it. 1:32:57.760 --> 1:32:59.519 I don't Now, those guys don't rep at times. 1:32:59.600 --> 1:33:02.120 So I'm not sitting here saying like they've definitively beiten 1:33:02.200 --> 1:33:03.679 better than Juju Smith Schuster. 1:33:04.080 --> 1:33:07.000 But I feel like Juju he had he did catch 1:33:07.040 --> 1:33:07.599 the slant from. 1:33:07.520 --> 1:33:09.320 Joe Milt yesterday, so shouldn't say he's that that was 1:33:09.600 --> 1:33:11.920 That was the one time where I was like, okay, 1:33:12.080 --> 1:33:14.040 but it was different now as in an NFL route, 1:33:14.160 --> 1:33:15.800 there's not a ton of times you look at those 1:33:15.800 --> 1:33:17.880 other guys and say, wow, it's that bad. Maybe that's 1:33:17.960 --> 1:33:22.040 verse expectations, but yeah, it's drops. It's lack of separation. 1:33:22.200 --> 1:33:25.920 Like every time I noticed Juju, it's him. It's something 1:33:25.960 --> 1:33:26.439 going wrong. 1:33:26.600 --> 1:33:28.559 He doesn't have it left, he doesn't have it anymore, 1:33:29.040 --> 1:33:31.960 Like it's just gone. And that's what happens unfortunately. Like 1:33:32.040 --> 1:33:35.000 I'm not trying to pile on, but that's just unfortunately 1:33:35.080 --> 1:33:37.840 what happens with guys is that they just it just 1:33:38.120 --> 1:33:40.880 goes and it just doesn't come back right. And that's 1:33:40.880 --> 1:33:44.240 where they're at with Juju. Now, we had this conversation 1:33:44.400 --> 1:33:46.320 before the show started off the air. Now it's just 1:33:46.360 --> 1:33:49.960 about how you how do you? What's your exit strategy here? 1:33:50.360 --> 1:33:53.720 He's probably not gonna have any trade value, He's he 1:33:53.760 --> 1:33:58.479 shouldn't make the team, So what's the exit strategy? I 1:33:58.520 --> 1:33:59.800 think he got to eat the money. 1:34:00.040 --> 1:34:02.720 You gotta eat the money, and that nine dollars nine 1:34:02.760 --> 1:34:06.720 million dollars is best spent by opening up opportunities for 1:34:06.800 --> 1:34:08.759 Jalen Polk and Javon Baker and Pop Douglas. 1:34:08.880 --> 1:34:11.840 Now, I don't know do they keep him in just 1:34:11.960 --> 1:34:14.280 not play them. I just feel like when we had 1:34:14.320 --> 1:34:17.360 this conversation earlier, Yeah, off the air, I just feel 1:34:17.400 --> 1:34:22.920 like he's He's a household name and a name that 1:34:23.040 --> 1:34:25.240 I'm sure a lot of the younger receivers in that 1:34:25.360 --> 1:34:29.000 room respect a Ton because of his career and his accolades. 1:34:29.760 --> 1:34:32.800 It's hard to keep that kind of guy around and 1:34:34.280 --> 1:34:36.400 A have him be a good Samaritan about it, but 1:34:36.560 --> 1:34:39.320 b just like have it be the dynamic in the 1:34:39.400 --> 1:34:43.120 room being normal. It's not all that different to me 1:34:43.280 --> 1:34:45.720 than Cam Newton and Mac Jones Cam Newton's or Mac 1:34:45.760 --> 1:34:49.559 Jones's rookie year. Like, it's just it's gonna be an 1:34:49.640 --> 1:34:52.160 elephant in the room for the entire season that this 1:34:52.320 --> 1:34:54.760 guy that's making the most money, by the way, in 1:34:54.880 --> 1:34:57.800 the room, that has a Super Bowl ring, that made 1:34:57.880 --> 1:35:00.000 Pro Bowls, like all this kind of all these acts 1:35:00.080 --> 1:35:03.160 leads is the odd man now that's never playing. Like 1:35:03.320 --> 1:35:06.360 it just doesn't feel right to me to keep him 1:35:06.360 --> 1:35:09.880 around for those reasons. And Yeah, that that's one that 1:35:10.400 --> 1:35:12.120 you gotta go to mister Craft and you gotta tell 1:35:12.200 --> 1:35:13.920 him that we gotta cut our losses. That's why I 1:35:13.960 --> 1:35:15.000 think the books closed there. 1:35:15.080 --> 1:35:17.400 Yeah, and I just say, I you know, he's mentioned 1:35:17.520 --> 1:35:19.840 he said yesterday he kind of tweaked his knee running 1:35:19.880 --> 1:35:22.040 off to the side, like he said, he tripped on 1:35:22.040 --> 1:35:25.240 a rock. Yeah you can, Okay, yes, exactly, he tripped 1:35:25.280 --> 1:35:27.000 on a rock, which I still don't really. I just 1:35:27.040 --> 1:35:29.679 think like physically, I just sometimes you have those injuries 1:35:29.720 --> 1:35:31.040 and they they stay and that's it. 1:35:31.280 --> 1:35:34.760 Yeah, I'm sorry. Thing, but just the way he said 1:35:34.800 --> 1:35:37.360 that was was pretty funny yesterday. All right, so do 1:35:37.439 --> 1:35:39.800 we both have juju? Yeah? All right, who's in your 1:35:39.800 --> 1:35:40.920 next one? Uh? 1:35:41.120 --> 1:35:45.400 My next one is Atonio Maffi. Yeah, So he's trying 1:35:45.439 --> 1:35:48.000 to make move to center. Yeah, and it's just been 1:35:48.400 --> 1:35:50.799 a lot of erratic snaps, a lot of ratic snaps 1:35:50.840 --> 1:35:53.320 and false starts, which I don't know if they're entirely 1:35:53.360 --> 1:35:54.840 on him, but that's usually at least a little on 1:35:54.880 --> 1:35:58.120 the center. Yeah, newhile Nick Leverett kind of struggled the 1:35:58.160 --> 1:36:00.400 first day or two at center. He's been solid since 1:36:00.400 --> 1:36:02.960 and he's gotten a ton of opportunities with David Andrews 1:36:03.040 --> 1:36:05.880 missing practice. So I think that was a sneaky battle 1:36:05.920 --> 1:36:08.360 that maybe we didn't realize was a battle. Now, Jake 1:36:08.400 --> 1:36:11.439 Andrew's also on pup, so does he come back and does. 1:36:11.320 --> 1:36:13.720 He mix in there? But like I feel pretty good 1:36:13.720 --> 1:36:15.920 about nick LeVert is the backup center right now. Yeah, 1:36:16.040 --> 1:36:18.200 I feel pretty good about nick Levertt as like the 1:36:18.320 --> 1:36:20.400 backup in tiers. Yeah, and he'll play some guard too, 1:36:20.479 --> 1:36:23.240 But like Leydon Rominson's going to make the roster. But 1:36:23.600 --> 1:36:27.200 if you had to put a guy in on game day, 1:36:27.280 --> 1:36:29.400 somebody goes gets hurt and you have to put somebody 1:36:29.439 --> 1:36:32.000 in immediately, whether it's at guard or center, I think 1:36:32.080 --> 1:36:34.680 nick Leverett could hold his own at either spot. Yeah. No, 1:36:34.840 --> 1:36:36.439 I mean like he was a good find. He was 1:36:36.479 --> 1:36:38.720 a good signing. I MAFI right now. 1:36:38.880 --> 1:36:41.280 Just he's I think they moved him to center because 1:36:41.439 --> 1:36:43.600 I wonder if they wondered about his ability guard and 1:36:43.640 --> 1:36:45.920 he's not a center, like that's been pretty clear. 1:36:46.040 --> 1:36:48.680 Yeah, he doesn't really necessarily, Like the further you go out, 1:36:48.840 --> 1:36:51.360 the more athletic you need to be. Yeah, typically, and 1:36:51.840 --> 1:36:54.040 his lack of foot speed and stuff like that at 1:36:54.080 --> 1:36:56.320 guard was getting exposed. So I can understand why they 1:36:56.479 --> 1:36:59.000 probably thought if he's gonna make the team, it's gonna 1:36:59.000 --> 1:37:02.680 be at center. He a lot of those snaps that 1:37:02.760 --> 1:37:05.679 he's been having. We talked earlier about the West Coast 1:37:05.760 --> 1:37:08.559 offense and timing and rhythm and how important those things are. 1:37:08.920 --> 1:37:12.120 When Drake may is like picking, like taking snaps off 1:37:12.160 --> 1:37:14.439 his shoelaces and stuff like that, a lot of that 1:37:14.560 --> 1:37:16.479 stuff gets ruined. I know people are gonna it was 1:37:16.479 --> 1:37:19.200 already making excuses for Drake Man. I'm just saying like that, 1:37:19.479 --> 1:37:20.240 that's the context. 1:37:20.280 --> 1:37:21.720 No, that's been part of it, and that's part of 1:37:21.720 --> 1:37:24.200 the context. Drake made struggles, Like the unit around him 1:37:24.200 --> 1:37:26.439 hasn't been great. The snaps have been have been rough 1:37:26.640 --> 1:37:31.600 at times. Okay, so you have Mafi Marte MoPo is 1:37:32.120 --> 1:37:34.479 on my downs. Can't make the club from the tub, 1:37:34.560 --> 1:37:35.800 can't make the club from the tub. 1:37:36.520 --> 1:37:39.360 I'm bummed. We we did a show last week, right 1:37:39.400 --> 1:37:41.639 this was last week that we talked about Marte Mopou 1:37:41.720 --> 1:37:44.559 in a potential role for him. I gotta got myself 1:37:44.640 --> 1:37:46.920 a little bit excited about what that could be. We 1:37:47.040 --> 1:37:50.400 mentioned earlier in the show Jonathan Jones, Marcus Jones, Christian Gonzales. 1:37:50.439 --> 1:37:52.559 That seems to be your top three corners right now. 1:37:54.080 --> 1:37:58.439 John Jones and especially Marcus Jones undersized guys, smaller guys. 1:37:59.040 --> 1:38:01.280 It would be great to be able to get into 1:38:01.439 --> 1:38:05.160 like a three nickel safety defense or a three safety 1:38:05.280 --> 1:38:08.599 dime or something like that where you could put somebody 1:38:08.640 --> 1:38:11.160 in the slot that's got some size to him, that 1:38:11.600 --> 1:38:13.880 is on the roster right now. The guy that could 1:38:13.920 --> 1:38:17.439 do that is Martemopu unless you put Jalen Hawkins in 1:38:17.520 --> 1:38:19.439 and move Peppers and Dugger around and things like that. 1:38:20.000 --> 1:38:21.720 That was his projected role, and I thought that that 1:38:22.360 --> 1:38:24.400 was a legitimate role that he could have on this 1:38:24.560 --> 1:38:27.040 team that could make an impact and he could actually 1:38:27.640 --> 1:38:32.240 be a useful player. He came in hurt Yep, he's 1:38:32.320 --> 1:38:37.240 hurt again. At some point, you have to be available 1:38:37.560 --> 1:38:41.120 to make a football team. It's getting dicey. And the 1:38:41.200 --> 1:38:43.320 one thing that I would say for him that he 1:38:43.439 --> 1:38:46.840 hasn't the feather in his cap right now is that 1:38:46.960 --> 1:38:49.439 most of the time, teams don't move on from top 1:38:49.520 --> 1:38:51.880 one hundred picks in year two like they usually give 1:38:51.920 --> 1:38:54.519 them two solid years to make a run at it 1:38:54.680 --> 1:38:57.000 to carve out a role on the team. So he 1:38:57.120 --> 1:39:00.720 might just make it as or maybe an ir guy 1:39:01.200 --> 1:39:03.559 and you know he's stashed for a year and gets 1:39:03.640 --> 1:39:06.000 healthy and all that kind of stuff. But you said 1:39:06.000 --> 1:39:07.639 it best you can't make the club from the dub. 1:39:07.760 --> 1:39:09.760 It's that simple, all right. Who else we got? 1:39:10.280 --> 1:39:12.200 This one kind of surprised me. Yeah, but I think 1:39:12.240 --> 1:39:15.040 it's time to start having this conversation. Oh Alex Austin. 1:39:15.439 --> 1:39:18.760 Yeah, he had that great spring and we got all 1:39:18.800 --> 1:39:21.960 excited and had a decent back end of the season 1:39:22.040 --> 1:39:22.400 last year. 1:39:22.520 --> 1:39:24.840 Yeah. Yeah, and like I'm not riding him off as like, 1:39:25.400 --> 1:39:27.400 like I'd still probably have him on a roster projection 1:39:27.439 --> 1:39:30.639 if I made it today, But yeah, he just didn't quite. 1:39:31.880 --> 1:39:35.040 He's not like he was really dominant this spring. Yeah, 1:39:35.120 --> 1:39:37.960 And he's been fine. He's had his moments. He's also 1:39:38.000 --> 1:39:39.720 gotten beat a few times. He's kind of mixed, and 1:39:39.800 --> 1:39:42.519 he looks like a backup rotational corner. We thought maybe 1:39:42.560 --> 1:39:45.720 they found another guy. Yeah, and you haven't seen that 1:39:45.960 --> 1:39:46.920 from him this summer, So. 1:39:47.439 --> 1:39:47.800 I don't know. 1:39:47.920 --> 1:39:50.040 Maybe it's a little harsh putting him on the downs. 1:39:50.080 --> 1:39:52.080 It was more just something I wanted to bring up 1:39:52.240 --> 1:39:54.080 and this seemed like a good time to do it. Like, 1:39:54.200 --> 1:39:57.280 he's not we got a little too ahead of ourselves 1:39:57.320 --> 1:39:57.920 with him this spring. 1:39:58.160 --> 1:40:01.320 Yeah, that's more than fair. I think both Marco Wilson 1:40:01.320 --> 1:40:03.439 and Isaiah Bolden have flashed a little bit more for me. 1:40:03.600 --> 1:40:06.599 Marcel's dial got some more time today too. Yeah, they're 1:40:06.680 --> 1:40:09.920 they're clearly kind of putting him un noticed. Maybe things 1:40:10.479 --> 1:40:14.639 again like yeah, and it just Yarrow back out there, 1:40:15.120 --> 1:40:18.360 Stefan Gilmore. Yeah, so I'm I'm I'm very much back 1:40:18.439 --> 1:40:20.200 on that. Yeah. You know, if they get to the 1:40:20.280 --> 1:40:22.240 end of the summer and it's not much better for 1:40:23.479 --> 1:40:25.880 Austin and they don't really feel great about you know, 1:40:25.920 --> 1:40:30.280 the rookies and the young guys, Bolden dial those players. Yeah, 1:40:30.680 --> 1:40:32.719 that's when that's when Elliott Wolf picks up the phone 1:40:32.760 --> 1:40:33.920 and calls an old friend. 1:40:34.120 --> 1:40:36.320 I feel like, can I give you one more player 1:40:36.360 --> 1:40:37.880 that's been good? And I kind of have a weird 1:40:37.920 --> 1:40:41.680 take about this. Yeah, I feel like as an and 1:40:41.840 --> 1:40:43.920 I don't know how much. They probably don't read our 1:40:43.920 --> 1:40:45.120 stuff a ton or at all. 1:40:45.120 --> 1:40:48.000 But like they read mine, they're used to. 1:40:48.800 --> 1:40:52.000 There used to be like around here, there's certain players 1:40:52.040 --> 1:40:53.840 that have a good camp that we just don't talk 1:40:53.880 --> 1:40:56.200 about them having a good camp because that's the expectation. 1:40:56.600 --> 1:40:58.439 They used to be like, like, we would never come 1:40:58.479 --> 1:41:00.280 in here back in the day and say you was 1:41:00.320 --> 1:41:02.880 having a really good camp. Julian Edelman who's on the 1:41:02.960 --> 1:41:05.200 ups Rob gron Count right, like, we would never do that, 1:41:05.479 --> 1:41:08.000 And I don't know, so those are the kind of 1:41:08.040 --> 1:41:10.760 guys you talk about us like core pieces. Where how 1:41:10.800 --> 1:41:12.680 many of those guys are here right now? I'm just 1:41:12.720 --> 1:41:15.720 thinking about it today. Juwan Bentley's been like really good 1:41:15.880 --> 1:41:19.200 in camp. He's been everywhere against the run, the defense. 1:41:19.240 --> 1:41:22.200 They had their first miscommunication today, but besides that, everything's 1:41:22.200 --> 1:41:24.479 been locked in and that's you know, him in the 1:41:24.520 --> 1:41:28.080 middle of it, and I'm thinking like, yeah, Juwan Bentley's 1:41:28.160 --> 1:41:30.040 kind of hit that level I think where he's a 1:41:30.120 --> 1:41:34.080 guy now that he's having a good camp really not 1:41:34.200 --> 1:41:35.880 worth bringing up. And I don't mean that as any 1:41:35.920 --> 1:41:37.640 disrespect to Juwan Bentley, and that's kind of why I 1:41:37.720 --> 1:41:40.800 wanted to bring this up. But it's like, you know, 1:41:40.840 --> 1:41:42.400 if I were to sit here and say, you know, 1:41:42.479 --> 1:41:44.680 he's having a good camp Juwan Bentley, you'd kind of 1:41:44.720 --> 1:41:46.320 be like, yeah, he's a good player. 1:41:46.880 --> 1:41:49.479 What's your point, right? So I said exactly. 1:41:49.720 --> 1:41:51.559 So it's it's I don't know how many of those 1:41:51.600 --> 1:41:53.439 guys do as you try to build back up, because 1:41:53.439 --> 1:41:54.559 there used to be a lot of those guys here, 1:41:54.640 --> 1:41:57.320 right We would never sit here and say Stefan Gilmore 1:41:57.360 --> 1:41:59.439 is having a great training camp. We might bring up 1:41:59.479 --> 1:42:02.360 good individual plays he made, but we would never be like, yeah, 1:42:02.439 --> 1:42:04.920 Gilmour trending to get like, no, he's good. Yeah, I mean, 1:42:05.080 --> 1:42:07.479 how many of those guys do they have here right now? 1:42:07.600 --> 1:42:10.920 Bentley definitely feels like one of them. Thought Christian Zalez 1:42:10.960 --> 1:42:14.240 would be. He hasn't been being very harsh on Christian 1:42:14.360 --> 1:42:17.400 Zalez felgrin mascot in my head they ask me about him. Oh, 1:42:17.560 --> 1:42:19.960 Remandre has had a really good camp. But again, I'm 1:42:20.000 --> 1:42:22.439 not gonna sit here and say Ramondre and Hunter Henry, 1:42:22.600 --> 1:42:24.240 like I would throw those guys in there. Maybe you 1:42:24.280 --> 1:42:26.720 can think of a few more. But some of them 1:42:26.800 --> 1:42:28.200 like Judon would be that guy. 1:42:28.280 --> 1:42:30.000 But he yeah, I would say probably like the Safeties 1:42:30.040 --> 1:42:31.400 like Duggar and Pepper's that's true. 1:42:31.439 --> 1:42:33.760 Yeah, they're kind of anointed. Yeah, at this point in 1:42:33.840 --> 1:42:35.720 my mind, all right, last down for me. 1:42:35.840 --> 1:42:38.679 I'm just sticking to the theme because frankly, I don't 1:42:39.040 --> 1:42:42.760 think that this has been a outside of juju. I 1:42:42.800 --> 1:42:45.439 guess like we didn't really have great expectations for anyway. Like, 1:42:45.439 --> 1:42:46.920 I don't feel like anybody that I had all these 1:42:47.000 --> 1:42:51.040 high expectations for has been a true down. Like I 1:42:51.280 --> 1:42:53.560 understand some people probably are like put Drake may on 1:42:53.640 --> 1:42:56.400 the downs, but like he's a rookie quarterback and like 1:42:56.479 --> 1:42:58.880 his first couple practices, right, I'm just not ready to 1:42:58.960 --> 1:43:01.560 go there yet, So I'll stick to the theme of 1:43:01.600 --> 1:43:06.240 the like Jaqeem Bell just not being healthy as a 1:43:06.320 --> 1:43:09.360 seventh round pick, Like that's tough, Like you get you know, 1:43:09.439 --> 1:43:11.679 it's another one of those guys that if you're gonna 1:43:11.720 --> 1:43:13.840 have any chance to make the team, you're gonna have 1:43:13.920 --> 1:43:15.560 to play, and you're gonna have to play well, and 1:43:15.600 --> 1:43:17.639 you're gonna have to flash and all that kind of stuff. 1:43:17.920 --> 1:43:20.800 And you can't be hurt as a seventh round pick 1:43:20.960 --> 1:43:23.640 and make an NFL roster. That's not easy to do. 1:43:24.280 --> 1:43:26.200 And on the flip side, you know, Mitchell Wilcox has 1:43:26.240 --> 1:43:29.559 been involved a little bit. I think Michael Petway makes 1:43:29.600 --> 1:43:32.479 plays like I don't know, it's a tight end three, right, 1:43:32.520 --> 1:43:36.320 We're not talking about him jumping Hunter Henry on the 1:43:36.360 --> 1:43:39.639 depth chart or anything like that, but could they get 1:43:40.600 --> 1:43:44.040 Willcox Petway Like those guys maybe they only carry two 1:43:44.120 --> 1:43:47.040 tight ends and they just lean on the practice squad 1:43:47.160 --> 1:43:49.360 for some of these guys too, is probably what Bill 1:43:49.400 --> 1:43:52.280 would do. Honestly, you keep Henry Hooper right and then 1:43:52.439 --> 1:43:55.519 just dash whoever you can stash as game day, you know, 1:43:55.640 --> 1:43:59.439 the Matt Sokle of the world. I just you can't 1:43:59.439 --> 1:44:01.320 make the club the tub is though, is really the 1:44:01.400 --> 1:44:03.400 short way of saying all this with both him. 1:44:03.600 --> 1:44:05.680 Yeah, I didn't necessarily want to put like the injured guy. 1:44:05.720 --> 1:44:06.320 I'm with you on that. 1:44:06.439 --> 1:44:08.120 I didn't really want to put the injured guys on 1:44:08.200 --> 1:44:10.280 there just because they're you know, they're dealing. You can't 1:44:10.280 --> 1:44:12.320 make the club from the tub. But also, I mean 1:44:12.360 --> 1:44:14.599 it's football. Guys get hurt, you deal with stuff. But yeah, 1:44:14.720 --> 1:44:18.559 Mafi Belle, Jay Canrews I'd put on there. Like again, 1:44:18.560 --> 1:44:20.800 we're talking about Nick Leverett's kind of emerging and does 1:44:20.840 --> 1:44:21.760 he take that job. 1:44:23.479 --> 1:44:25.519 I'm trying. There's one other guy, who am I thinking of? 1:44:25.640 --> 1:44:29.280 Who's on pup or hurt or whatever? Oh well, Taki talkies, 1:44:29.320 --> 1:44:30.360 I'm been on pup. 1:44:31.120 --> 1:44:35.040 Yeah, well that that should have been Mapu's chance to shine. Yeah, 1:44:35.280 --> 1:44:38.120 you know who's made the most of that, Brandon Schooler. 1:44:39.960 --> 1:44:41.800 What do you mean? No, Brendon's School has played a. 1:44:41.840 --> 1:44:44.360 Ton of defense in this camp, and he hasn't been bad. 1:44:44.840 --> 1:44:46.800 I'm not saying he's gonna and. 1:44:46.840 --> 1:44:48.800 He shouldn't make the rosters like I'm not he he 1:44:49.000 --> 1:44:51.760 goldn't play some defense this year, not a lot. 1:44:52.040 --> 1:44:52.800 I don't think that's good. 1:44:52.840 --> 1:44:55.240 Gerd Mayo said it. They're getting him ready to play defense. 1:44:55.439 --> 1:44:57.679 They have to get him ready because I think Mayo 1:44:57.800 --> 1:45:00.880 looks at it and says, you know, well, first of all, 1:45:00.880 --> 1:45:03.120 they might go light at safety, right because they just 1:45:03.160 --> 1:45:05.080 paid both those guys. Well, we'll let me play a time. 1:45:05.120 --> 1:45:08.200 We'll see what happens with Hawkins. But on that back end, 1:45:08.400 --> 1:45:09.799 like he's a free safety. 1:45:10.000 --> 1:45:11.439 Okay, who is your last down? 1:45:12.520 --> 1:45:12.560 No? 1:45:12.880 --> 1:45:15.760 Smith, Schuster, Mafia Austin, Oh right, you had to so 1:45:15.840 --> 1:45:16.519 you both got three? 1:45:16.640 --> 1:45:19.640 Yeah, do you know who is your third belt? Right? 1:45:19.720 --> 1:45:19.840 Right? 1:45:19.960 --> 1:45:21.840 Do you want to talk really quickly? We have we 1:45:21.960 --> 1:45:24.120 have one call. We have fifteen minutes left. So just 1:45:24.479 --> 1:45:27.240 you mentioned Christian Zalez, yeah, and Pilgrimazer in your head 1:45:27.240 --> 1:45:29.800 and now you're you're telling everybody he's actually a bust. 1:45:30.439 --> 1:45:33.360 So my two thoughts on Christian Zales. Yeah, I didn't 1:45:33.360 --> 1:45:37.400 realize as being that harsh. You're being harsh. One, I 1:45:37.560 --> 1:45:42.320 agree that he hasn't been like Straps on lock Down 1:45:42.800 --> 1:45:46.240 Stefan Gilmour in his prime. Yeah, he was probably had 1:45:46.240 --> 1:45:48.680 a better rookie camp than he had has had this 1:45:48.840 --> 1:45:53.240 camp so far. My my one, the one reason why 1:45:53.280 --> 1:45:56.519 I tell people not to panic is I do when 1:45:56.560 --> 1:46:00.680 I watch him, I feel like everything gets downloaded it 1:46:00.760 --> 1:46:03.720 into that in the computer in his head where like 1:46:04.360 --> 1:46:07.560 he's learning guys, he's like learning routes, he's learning what 1:46:07.640 --> 1:46:11.080 he can and can't do, like he's it's always feels 1:46:11.160 --> 1:46:15.320 like he's he's like in this this zone right where 1:46:15.360 --> 1:46:17.840 he's like thinking these things through, and a lot of 1:46:17.920 --> 1:46:21.880 times with corners, you know, in practice, it's it's a 1:46:21.960 --> 1:46:24.880 lot of trial and error of like, you know, can 1:46:24.920 --> 1:46:26.640 I do this? Like can I do that? You know 1:46:26.720 --> 1:46:29.760 that sort of thing. And I almost feel like he's 1:46:29.840 --> 1:46:32.719 so confident at this point that he belongs in the league, 1:46:33.160 --> 1:46:35.639 that he doesn't have anything to prove. Whereas his rookie 1:46:35.680 --> 1:46:39.000 season he he felt like he needed to solidify himself 1:46:39.040 --> 1:46:42.000 as an NFL player. Now he's an NFL player. And 1:46:42.160 --> 1:46:44.040 my guess is is that when he the light needs 1:46:44.120 --> 1:46:46.280 to turn on, you know, and he needs to hit 1:46:46.360 --> 1:46:47.400 that switch. I think I'll hit it. 1:46:47.479 --> 1:46:49.800 I also wonder if there's some of just he hasn't 1:46:49.800 --> 1:46:51.920 played competitive football in what ten months alone? 1:46:51.960 --> 1:46:54.320 Yeah, And I asked him about that, like it maybe 1:46:54.520 --> 1:46:56.599 a little some sea legs. Yeah, you know, like trying 1:46:56.600 --> 1:46:58.240 to get the speed of the game back and all 1:46:58.280 --> 1:47:00.879 that kind of stuff. I'm not worried about Christian Gonzales 1:47:00.880 --> 1:47:03.719 at all. I just feel like he's one of those guys. 1:47:03.760 --> 1:47:06.880 And he's also like a mild tempered guy. That game 1:47:07.000 --> 1:47:08.400 day is going to be a little bit different than 1:47:08.720 --> 1:47:10.439 for him than the processes. All right, you want to 1:47:10.479 --> 1:47:12.479 take this call first? Or kickers? Yeah, let's do Oh 1:47:12.520 --> 1:47:13.240 we're doing kickers. 1:47:13.400 --> 1:47:14.160 We have to. 1:47:14.560 --> 1:47:16.640 They've done special teams, have they? 1:47:17.040 --> 1:47:17.160 Yes? 1:47:17.280 --> 1:47:19.559 I fall asleep at that time. All right, Tommy's in Omaha. 1:47:19.640 --> 1:47:20.200 What's up Tommy? 1:47:22.760 --> 1:47:23.920 Hey, guys, how are we all today? 1:47:24.040 --> 1:47:24.760 Hey? Good? How are you. 1:47:27.000 --> 1:47:27.240 Good? 1:47:27.360 --> 1:47:27.519 Hey? 1:47:27.640 --> 1:47:29.800 I had a question for you. This is the first 1:47:30.000 --> 1:47:32.960 camp in memory that I've paid attt IT to where 1:47:33.040 --> 1:47:36.320 it seems like the offensive line sounds competent and the 1:47:36.439 --> 1:47:41.720 receivers sound competent. I guess my overlying question is, and 1:47:41.840 --> 1:47:44.040 y'all are seeing this in person compared to me all 1:47:44.080 --> 1:47:47.040 the way over here in Omaha. What is the biggest 1:47:47.160 --> 1:47:50.000 difference when it comes to the receivers an offensive line 1:47:50.040 --> 1:47:53.679 this year? Is it the maybe the attention to detail 1:47:53.760 --> 1:47:57.000 by the coaching staff and having more specialized coaches actually 1:47:57.080 --> 1:47:59.880 working with them hands on, or is it the change 1:48:00.120 --> 1:48:03.679 the offensive system as far as the responsibilities have gotten 1:48:03.760 --> 1:48:06.920 simpler and not as much as asked as the receivers 1:48:06.960 --> 1:48:08.000 and the offensive line. 1:48:08.600 --> 1:48:11.040 Yeah, it's a fair question, Tom, and thanks for the call. 1:48:11.320 --> 1:48:15.760 I the way I see it, just from an execution standpoint, 1:48:16.040 --> 1:48:19.080 it seems to me right now like the five guys 1:48:19.560 --> 1:48:21.840 are playing on a string like it doesn't feel like 1:48:22.400 --> 1:48:24.559 in other camps when we've watched their line the last 1:48:24.600 --> 1:48:27.880 couple of years, it feels like just a jumbled mess 1:48:27.920 --> 1:48:33.439 of blockers inside and the guys are not necessarily tied together. 1:48:33.720 --> 1:48:35.960 Right An offensive line is one of those positions where 1:48:36.240 --> 1:48:40.479 it's probably the only position really where it's a unit. 1:48:40.840 --> 1:48:44.240 It's not an individual, it's a five man unit that 1:48:44.400 --> 1:48:46.040 needs to be seeing it through the same set of 1:48:46.120 --> 1:48:49.080 eyes as Dante Scarnekia would say. And right now, I've 1:48:49.200 --> 1:48:50.920 liked what I've seen so far in the early going 1:48:50.960 --> 1:48:53.400 that they've been doing that now is that scheme is 1:48:53.479 --> 1:48:55.639 that coaching. It's kind of hard to say which one 1:48:55.680 --> 1:48:58.400 that is without being in the meetings and stuff like that. 1:48:58.960 --> 1:49:02.120 But whatever they're doing, it seems like they are more 1:49:02.240 --> 1:49:04.519 tied together than they have been the last couple of years. 1:49:04.600 --> 1:49:07.160 Speaking of Nebraska, by the way, you see their new quarterback. No, 1:49:07.600 --> 1:49:09.800 so they got this quarterback, Dylan Rayoli's the number one 1:49:09.880 --> 1:49:14.360 quarterback in the nation. He decommitted from Georgia to go 1:49:14.439 --> 1:49:17.200 to Nebraska. Yeah, there's a picture of him. I'm gonna 1:49:17.200 --> 1:49:18.559 just pull his picture up and show you on the air. 1:49:19.240 --> 1:49:20.839 So his whole thing. 1:49:22.439 --> 1:49:26.040 Is he's trying to be Patrick Mahomes. That's like I 1:49:26.080 --> 1:49:27.840 think I texted you this last night. I'm trying to 1:49:27.840 --> 1:49:31.320 be Kobe Bryant. No, but like he has the same 1:49:31.400 --> 1:49:34.600 daily routine, he has the same diet, he has the 1:49:34.640 --> 1:49:35.840 same quarterbacks coach. 1:49:36.000 --> 1:49:37.280 Does he sound like Kermit the Frog? 1:49:37.840 --> 1:49:40.320 He's probably trying to. He showed I texted you this 1:49:40.360 --> 1:49:44.040 picture last night. He showed up yesterday Evan at their facility. 1:49:45.200 --> 1:49:50.360 Same haircut, same facial hair, same sunglasses. That's not Patrick, 1:49:50.479 --> 1:49:53.040 that's not Patrick Mahomes. That's Dylan Rayle. And when you 1:49:53.120 --> 1:49:56.360 watched missus Mahomes. So I don't know if people can 1:49:56.400 --> 1:49:58.599 see this on camera when you watch him on the field, 1:49:59.280 --> 1:50:01.920 it's like the same interism. It's gonna be really because 1:50:02.640 --> 1:50:05.120 for you. I just brought it up because because he's 1:50:05.160 --> 1:50:07.080 from MoMA. I just brought up because I heard Nebraska 1:50:07.080 --> 1:50:08.719 and we have ten minutes to go. But it's also 1:50:08.800 --> 1:50:10.400 I don't know, we had some real stuff to talk 1:50:10.400 --> 1:50:10.680 about it. 1:50:10.680 --> 1:50:11.360 I know we did well. 1:50:11.400 --> 1:50:13.839 You got anoid with the kickers. It's gonna be interesting 1:50:13.920 --> 1:50:16.840 because we heard quarterback after quarterback trying to be brady. 1:50:16.920 --> 1:50:19.760 This is like, it made me feel old. Mahomes is 1:50:19.760 --> 1:50:22.280 a guy they're emulating. You're gonna really like Dylan Ray. Okay, 1:50:22.320 --> 1:50:23.680 so we have one email I want to get to. 1:50:24.040 --> 1:50:25.400 We have ten minutes, so I have a couple of 1:50:25.439 --> 1:50:26.840 minutes for the email and a couple of minutes for 1:50:26.920 --> 1:50:27.400 your kickers. 1:50:27.479 --> 1:50:28.960 All right, which one do you want to do first? 1:50:29.680 --> 1:50:31.360 Let's do the kickers. Let's let's get that out of 1:50:31.400 --> 1:50:34.000 the way. Go ahead, So tell me what you see. 1:50:34.080 --> 1:50:36.799 Chad Roylands twelve to thirteen. Joey slides eleven to thirteen. 1:50:37.360 --> 1:50:39.320 Chad Ryland, buy it in. 1:50:39.680 --> 1:50:42.760 He's doing something different with the ball because at least 1:50:42.760 --> 1:50:45.000 today in the last couple of days, the way it 1:50:45.080 --> 1:50:47.040 comes off his foot, it looks like it's gonna miss. 1:50:47.080 --> 1:50:48.519 And he's put like a curve on it, like a 1:50:48.600 --> 1:50:50.800 late curve on it. I don't know what that is. 1:50:50.880 --> 1:50:55.120 It's different, we'll see. I don't think either of them 1:50:55.160 --> 1:50:58.360 have separated though through through a week. I still think 1:50:58.400 --> 1:50:59.200 that thing's wide open. 1:50:59.280 --> 1:51:01.320 So we don't know, is what you're saying. We don't know. 1:51:01.400 --> 1:51:04.200 But they're actually kicking now. It's gonna be interesting. Slide 1:51:04.240 --> 1:51:06.880 puts some he puts some move on the ball. I'll 1:51:06.880 --> 1:51:08.960 say that it's gonna be interesting to see how they 1:51:09.040 --> 1:51:12.840 split those up in the preseason because remember like Ryland 1:51:12.880 --> 1:51:16.160 like didn't kick well, they only had like one field three. 1:51:16.400 --> 1:51:18.160 I guess hopefully they moved the ball a little bit better. 1:51:18.400 --> 1:51:19.920 You can kick some more females, all right. 1:51:19.960 --> 1:51:22.680 So we got an email here from Ben in the 1:51:22.840 --> 1:51:26.559 UK that asked, do you think that the a vp 1:51:26.880 --> 1:51:30.720 Ox Van Pelt scheme actually fitz Drake May's skill set 1:51:31.360 --> 1:51:33.559 and would he be better off of the more modern 1:51:33.680 --> 1:51:36.519 West Coast scheme. I think it's a really interesting question 1:51:36.600 --> 1:51:39.599 because I hand up fully thought that he was gonna 1:51:39.600 --> 1:51:42.360 be a great fit in the scheme. I was more 1:51:42.439 --> 1:51:45.120 thinking though about the early down shots right off of 1:51:45.160 --> 1:51:47.599 play action and stuff like that, and the moving pockets 1:51:47.640 --> 1:51:48.799 and the deep throws. 1:51:49.080 --> 1:51:49.200 You know. 1:51:49.439 --> 1:51:51.439 The Browns I looked this up. We looked this up. 1:51:51.439 --> 1:51:53.960 I think last week that they were eighth in the 1:51:54.040 --> 1:51:56.960 league in a dot right among their quarterbacks. Like they were. 1:51:57.200 --> 1:51:59.720 They are a chuck it down the field type of team. 1:51:59.800 --> 1:52:02.320 And what better way to get the boast out of 1:52:02.400 --> 1:52:04.280 Drake May than to let him sling it down the field, 1:52:04.280 --> 1:52:07.679 which is what he does best. Now. Their passing game, 1:52:08.880 --> 1:52:12.639 like their traditional drop back pass game, no play action, 1:52:13.560 --> 1:52:17.559 is at its roots old school West Coast. It's really 1:52:17.680 --> 1:52:23.960 like Mike McCarthy Green Bay, West Coast, and those teams haven't. 1:52:24.080 --> 1:52:28.400 Necessarily there's two different West Coast branches. There's the Andy 1:52:28.479 --> 1:52:32.400 Reid branch right, which is over here, and that is 1:52:32.479 --> 1:52:35.760 what it's not my phrase. I'll give Lombardi credit. Michael 1:52:35.760 --> 1:52:38.920 Lombardi basically coined that as West Coast college right. So 1:52:39.520 --> 1:52:42.560 what that is it's essentially West Coast spread right. So 1:52:42.600 --> 1:52:46.919 they have spread elements, air raid elements within the framework 1:52:46.960 --> 1:52:50.160 of a West Coast offense. Then the other the other one. 1:52:50.280 --> 1:52:52.560 The other like the fork in the road right. The 1:52:52.640 --> 1:52:56.240 other is the Shanahan tree right. And they they have 1:52:56.400 --> 1:53:00.480 dressed up West the traditional West Coast with motion condensed forms. 1:53:00.880 --> 1:53:03.800 It's all about spacing right and creating space on the field. 1:53:06.040 --> 1:53:09.200 The Alex van Pelt offense and the Mike McCarthy offense 1:53:09.240 --> 1:53:13.880 in Dallas is lagging behind maybe a little bit. And 1:53:13.960 --> 1:53:15.880 this is one of the criticisms of the higher To 1:53:15.960 --> 1:53:19.639 begin with, they are still running the Bill Walsh West 1:53:19.680 --> 1:53:23.040 Coast offense for the most part, the old forty nine 1:53:23.120 --> 1:53:27.800 ers in the eighties West Coast offense. So he's not 1:53:27.960 --> 1:53:31.120 going to do the crazy motions that informations that Mike 1:53:31.200 --> 1:53:35.240 McDaniel and Shanahan and McVeigh do in La Floor. He's 1:53:35.320 --> 1:53:38.679 not going to do the air raid elements to spread 1:53:38.960 --> 1:53:43.719 RPO all that kind of stuff. My concern with Drake 1:53:43.800 --> 1:53:46.439 May is that to run the old school West Coast 1:53:47.520 --> 1:53:50.120 rhythm is so important. And remember we talked in the 1:53:50.479 --> 1:53:52.799 spring about left foot forward and all that kind of stuff. 1:53:53.080 --> 1:53:55.759 All of that is there to design to create rhythm 1:53:56.000 --> 1:53:59.439 within the offense so that your steps sequence together and 1:53:59.479 --> 1:54:02.559 then line up with the routes in order to teach 1:54:02.560 --> 1:54:06.559 a quarterback that struggles with footwork to execute that kind 1:54:06.600 --> 1:54:08.519 of offense is giving me a little bit of concern 1:54:09.200 --> 1:54:13.639 with the fit. But my guess is is that if 1:54:13.920 --> 1:54:18.559 Alex van Pelt has the chops, is that the pivot 1:54:18.720 --> 1:54:21.479 is probably closer to the Red Tree because the Red 1:54:21.560 --> 1:54:25.759 Tree passing game is basically the same, but they spread 1:54:25.760 --> 1:54:28.960 the field more. It's Mahomes more in the gun. There's RPO, 1:54:29.640 --> 1:54:34.240 and then there's also playground. There's also second reaction, and 1:54:34.440 --> 1:54:36.760 all of the second reaction stuff that the Chiefs do 1:54:37.760 --> 1:54:41.080 with Patrick Mahomes is all scripted, Like that's not just 1:54:41.360 --> 1:54:45.040 like everybody just run around right, Like everybody has rules 1:54:45.400 --> 1:54:48.120 within the framework of the offense of like when Patrick 1:54:48.200 --> 1:54:51.080 Mahomes breaks the pocket, this is how we're going to 1:54:51.160 --> 1:54:54.080 get open for him down the field. There's nobody better 1:54:54.120 --> 1:54:56.360 at it than Kelsey. I think Kelsey's probably the best 1:54:56.480 --> 1:55:01.160 playground player receiver I've ever seen. Awesome at it. So 1:55:02.200 --> 1:55:04.120 what's the way that they go if they ask him 1:55:04.160 --> 1:55:06.800 to execute in a traditional West Coast and there's no 1:55:07.120 --> 1:55:09.840 read element to it and there's no Shanahan element to it, 1:55:10.240 --> 1:55:12.200 I think that there's gonna we're going to continue to 1:55:12.280 --> 1:55:14.840 see some of the things the issues that have popped up. 1:55:15.200 --> 1:55:18.080 So long winded answer to the question, is he a 1:55:18.160 --> 1:55:22.840 good fit in the system? Yes, if they cater it 1:55:23.000 --> 1:55:26.760 to him. If they are going to try to jam 1:55:26.880 --> 1:55:31.000 him into the McCarthy system, Uh, there could be some 1:55:31.120 --> 1:55:35.400 issues with that. And we're just that's case a quarterback. 1:55:35.440 --> 1:55:37.240 It's too early, Like it's too early to say that 1:55:37.320 --> 1:55:39.440 that's what they're going to do. But like a lot 1:55:39.520 --> 1:55:43.240 of the McCarthy stuff is really really based on timing 1:55:43.320 --> 1:55:47.320 and rhythm and getting the football out and that that 1:55:47.760 --> 1:55:50.160 is different, you know, than what they're asking him to 1:55:50.240 --> 1:55:52.960 do now. You know, I think Dak has gotten really 1:55:53.000 --> 1:55:55.800 good at it down there in Dallas over the last 1:55:55.880 --> 1:55:59.320 you know, year plus, So we'll see. But that's what 1:55:59.400 --> 1:56:02.400 I'm seeing with May right now, is that those elements 1:56:02.480 --> 1:56:05.800 of their drop back pass game are really asking him 1:56:05.840 --> 1:56:08.480 to play on time and when you're it's hard to 1:56:08.560 --> 1:56:11.280 do if you're that the type of quarterback. 1:56:10.960 --> 1:56:13.200 That he is. So I guess I'll just add to that. 1:56:13.480 --> 1:56:17.320 I think physically he's a fit. And this is something 1:56:17.360 --> 1:56:19.440 we talked about during the draft. The kind of throws 1:56:20.000 --> 1:56:22.320 you need to make, it's a lot over the middle 1:56:22.440 --> 1:56:24.720 between the numbers right to the deeper parts of the field. 1:56:25.280 --> 1:56:28.680 In that sense, he's a great fit because that's a 1:56:28.720 --> 1:56:31.960 lot of what he did at North Carolina. It's to 1:56:32.080 --> 1:56:34.000 your whole point everything you just said, it's the mental 1:56:34.120 --> 1:56:37.360 side of it where there needs to be maybe more 1:56:37.400 --> 1:56:39.120 of a marriage between what they want to do and 1:56:39.200 --> 1:56:40.240 what his skill set is. 1:56:40.240 --> 1:56:41.840 It's such a it's a perfect way of putting it, 1:56:41.920 --> 1:56:43.960 because like the areas of the field that they want 1:56:44.000 --> 1:56:46.080 to attack, or all areas that he that he loves 1:56:46.120 --> 1:56:48.960 to attack. But the problem is is that the way 1:56:49.040 --> 1:56:51.640 they get is the presentation of the play. It's the 1:56:51.960 --> 1:56:54.320 it's the drop, it's the timing of the route, it's 1:56:54.360 --> 1:56:57.240 all that kind of stuff that right now is where 1:56:57.400 --> 1:56:58.800 he's having the most problem. 1:56:58.640 --> 1:57:01.520 Which again is not that unusual for any young quarterback. 1:57:01.640 --> 1:57:03.440 That was the whole thing with mac Jones. 1:57:03.560 --> 1:57:05.640 And I've seen people say, well, mac Jones was so 1:57:05.760 --> 1:57:07.640 good right away, and what does it mean that Drake 1:57:07.720 --> 1:57:10.560 May isn't when Mack wasn't good, Because that was the 1:57:10.640 --> 1:57:12.480 one thing mac Jones had figured it out before he 1:57:12.560 --> 1:57:16.320 got sped up beyond believe he knew what he was 1:57:16.360 --> 1:57:18.920 looking at coming in like few rookie quarterbacks do. The 1:57:19.080 --> 1:57:23.320 problem is he didn't have the physical traits to properly 1:57:23.520 --> 1:57:24.480 make make use of it. 1:57:24.600 --> 1:57:27.000 Benjamin buttoning this, it's gonna be in Revene. It's the 1:57:27.040 --> 1:57:27.720 exact opposite. 1:57:27.760 --> 1:57:30.680 But the difference is I would rather teach a guy 1:57:30.760 --> 1:57:32.720 with all the physical tools how to read a field 1:57:33.120 --> 1:57:35.000 than just hope a guy who can read the field 1:57:35.480 --> 1:57:38.080 magically develops these physical tools he's never had, because that's 1:57:38.120 --> 1:57:38.760 not gonna happen. 1:57:39.040 --> 1:57:42.240 Yeah, I just hope that I've thought about this a 1:57:42.280 --> 1:57:45.960 little bit, as you can tell I. I you know, 1:57:46.040 --> 1:57:52.480 I love Shanahan. I love Shannan, but too much Shanahan, McVeigh, Lafloor, McDaniel. 1:57:52.920 --> 1:57:56.520 Those guys are brilliant offensive minds. And not that Andy 1:57:56.600 --> 1:57:59.400 Reid isn't right. But if I had to design an 1:57:59.480 --> 1:58:04.200 offense from the West Coast tree and add elements, I 1:58:04.240 --> 1:58:07.080 think it's probably easier to add the read elements than 1:58:07.160 --> 1:58:09.800 it is to the Shanahan elements, because the Shannan elements 1:58:09.880 --> 1:58:14.840 is all it's it's like it's complex, yeah, really complex. Yeah, 1:58:15.240 --> 1:58:17.360 So I think the read elements is more in there. 1:58:17.560 --> 1:58:19.640 You know, that's spread the field. 1:58:19.800 --> 1:58:24.920 Gun RPO probably in this specific case, it's probably closer 1:58:24.960 --> 1:58:25.880 to what he did at UNC. 1:58:26.320 --> 1:58:29.400 That's that's kind of what I'm getting at. Yeah, Phil Longo, 1:58:29.480 --> 1:58:31.360 Chip Lindsay were his two O c's at U n C. 1:58:31.880 --> 1:58:34.240 They're air raid guys. Chip Lindsay got mad at me 1:58:34.280 --> 1:58:37.560 when I called him an air raid guy, but no offense, Chip, 1:58:37.640 --> 1:58:38.560 you are an air raid guy. 1:58:38.600 --> 1:58:42.720 Well, Phil, Phil Longo's like one of the og did 1:58:42.760 --> 1:58:46.280 he He didn't coach for for Leech. He coached for 1:58:46.360 --> 1:58:49.240 one of one. I think the other guy. There's three, 1:58:49.320 --> 1:58:52.280 there's Hal Money and there's Mouse Davis. Yeah, we're the 1:58:52.360 --> 1:58:53.320 ones who taught Leech. 1:58:53.640 --> 1:58:57.640 Yeah. So in order to get to like the this 1:58:57.760 --> 1:59:00.360 is we're right now we're talking about base offenses. Yeah, 1:59:00.760 --> 1:59:03.960 in this time of training camp. Once like your two 1:59:04.040 --> 1:59:05.840 year three of Drake May, like once we start to 1:59:05.880 --> 1:59:11.160 get to like the advanced stage of his development, then 1:59:11.200 --> 1:59:14.560 I think we started talking about going branching into the 1:59:14.640 --> 1:59:20.200 red tree of things and adding UNC style spread air 1:59:20.280 --> 1:59:23.440 raid elements to the traditional West Coast and creating a 1:59:23.520 --> 1:59:26.120 West Coast college scheme here in New England, which is 1:59:26.160 --> 1:59:30.200 what would fit drink May perfectly. So they're getting there. 1:59:30.560 --> 1:59:34.200 It's early don't panic long ago did coach under Mike Leish, 1:59:34.200 --> 1:59:37.360 I had that wrong. He's at Wisconsin now, Yeah, so good, 1:59:37.600 --> 1:59:38.560 nice guy. I talked to him. 1:59:38.840 --> 1:59:40.320 Him and Wisconsin him in the Big Ten is gonna 1:59:40.320 --> 1:59:44.520 be interesting. Remember we did two years of Alabama by 1:59:44.640 --> 1:59:48.840 the offense? Yes, are we going to be unc a 1:59:48.920 --> 1:59:50.640 fly North Carolina by the offense? 1:59:50.720 --> 1:59:53.840 Well? In North Carolina's offense kind of like schematically kind 1:59:53.880 --> 1:59:58.040 of stunk. But like er rating it or like reading it, 1:59:58.240 --> 2:00:01.440 I think is probably would be more optimistic. 2:00:01.800 --> 2:00:01.920 Right. 2:00:02.920 --> 2:00:04.760 I don't think you want to be North Carolina, but 2:00:05.000 --> 2:00:07.520 I think you definitely need to. You need to put 2:00:07.600 --> 2:00:09.680 some more college style elements, Like if you're gonna ask 2:00:09.760 --> 2:00:11.400 him to be pro style and you're gonna ask him 2:00:11.400 --> 2:00:13.960 to be this timing and rhythm quarterback, I do think 2:00:14.040 --> 2:00:17.320 early on, especially in his career, there's gonna be some 2:00:17.480 --> 2:00:19.880 issues with that because his timing and his anticipation just 2:00:20.000 --> 2:00:22.840 isn't there yet. Okay, here we go. I knew there 2:00:22.880 --> 2:00:24.160 was a connection. Can I remember what it was? 2:00:24.520 --> 2:00:26.960 Wongo never coached for Mike Leach, but like they were 2:00:27.040 --> 2:00:29.520 like friends and he got it from Leach, but he 2:00:29.600 --> 2:00:30.520 never worked for him. 2:00:30.520 --> 2:00:33.000 He learned it from Leach but like off the job. Yeah, 2:00:33.000 --> 2:00:35.640 all right, we gotta wrap. 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