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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barla and Lazarre.

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Speaker 2: Hello, everybody nailed it, joined us always buying our bar

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Speaker 2: gap kit gap match. Here is Evan Lazar and Alex

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Speaker 2: bars We went forty minutes without even mentioning Drake May's name.

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Speaker 2: I think that guys talked abou him very briefly. That

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Speaker 2: that's what we do here. We talked about the third

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Speaker 1: Back, and the nose tackles, and you and the maybe

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Speaker 2: And and us trying to, you know, put our our

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Speaker 2: coaches hats on and talk about Marte Hafhu's role and

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Speaker 2: you can save your quarterback, Tom. That's what we get.

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Speaker 2: Elsewhere where's our awards? Where is our awards? That's a

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Speaker 2: good question. I feel like we deserve we deserve an

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Speaker 2: award for for not leading with quarterbacks on this show.

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Speaker 2: And we're probably not gonna lead quarterbacks again. Like we'll

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Speaker 2: get to the court, we'll get to the quarter don't

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Speaker 2: get me wrong, but we're probably gonna talk about defensive

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Speaker 2: tackles honestly. Off the top of the show, So Evan Lasar,

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Speaker 2: Alex Bartha with you for the next couple of hours.

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Speaker 2: The phone lines are open. We'll get to you guys

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Speaker 2: in a bit. We're gonna probably run through some book

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Speaker 2: New England Patriots. So we just watched this seventh training

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Speaker 2: camp practice for your New England Patriots out at jil Stadium,

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Speaker 2: a very very hot day seven here at in Foxborough.

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Speaker 2: This was not that anybody cares, but this was the

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Speaker 2: hottest day of the camp by far supposed to. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: this was this was true training camp weather where it

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Speaker 2: was hot as as heck out there and shells in

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Speaker 2: helmets today. But honestly, I feel like especially for the

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Speaker 2: passing game, Like it's not that all that different. Like

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Speaker 2: we're not in Ota mode where there's no pads whatsoever,

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Speaker 2: and we're in shorts and the T shirts. Like you're

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Speaker 2: in shells, so you know, not quite as big as

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Speaker 2: your normal shoulder pads, but shoulder pads of some sort.

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Speaker 2: You just aren't in the full body armor. So it's

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Speaker 2: not all that different. I would say then the fully

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Speaker 2: lot of pass game today. We'll talk about that, but

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Speaker 2: off the top, I do want to get to some

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Speaker 2: news items. Where do you want to start? So Judan

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Speaker 2: or Gotsha, I think Judon is probably more pertinent ye

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Speaker 2: to today. So Judon was out there a Patriots practice today.

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Speaker 2: He did participate. He was a participant in practice. Although

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Speaker 2: I didn't see him out there a ton, like you know,

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Speaker 2: he wasn't not participating, but I wouldn't say that it

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Speaker 2: he was back out there Drodmeyo before practice mentioned that

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Speaker 2: It didn't necessarily and this is purely speculative on my

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Speaker 2: part reading between the lines, It didn't necessarily feel contractual

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Speaker 2: more felt like, how do we amicably move forward?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And he said they had a great conversation, told

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Speaker 2: us before practice that he expected Judon to practice in

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Speaker 2: Judon did it in fact practice. So long story short,

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Speaker 2: still looking for his Where did the Patriots go from here?

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Speaker 2: After Monday's dust up with Matt, Jared, Drod Mayo, Elliott Wolf,

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Speaker 2: But then yesterday he's on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: There's a report that they had offered him a contract

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Speaker 1: There's clearly issues here, there's clearly deep issues here.

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Speaker 1: But he gets back out there today based off what

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Speaker 1: So I look, you're gonna have to get something done,

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Speaker 1: I think what's been and by the way, I thought

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Speaker 2: I think that's what's best for both parties now more

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Speaker 2: Maybe you do revisit a trade at the deadline if

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Speaker 2: if they're I think the deadlines a right around Halloween, right,

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Speaker 2: it's like November. It's actually I think it's on election

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Speaker 2: the process of how we got here. Think we're over

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of feel the same way about this

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Speaker 2: So I don't know, I don't mind it. Like I

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Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't have done it, but I also don't

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Speaker 2: So I feel two ways about this, and in like

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Speaker 2: my glass half full, take on it is exactly what

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Speaker 2: the cap And this didn't necessarily factor in the Godschaw

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Speaker 2: going the Gotshaw extension is not going to take the

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Speaker 2: So we're talking about something that's marginal. So let's just

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Speaker 2: call it north of seventy million dollars in cap space

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Speaker 2: next year. And that's a luxury of having a rookie

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Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, but at the same time, they've gotten

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Speaker 2: Are there penning free agents? Yeah they are. It's like

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Speaker 2: Jonathan Jones and yeah, is that it Judon judeon right? Yeah? Yeah.

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Speaker 2: is that it will not be Their cap is not

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Speaker 2: of the scouting cliches and we say the ball jumps

434
00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,880
Speaker 2: out of his hand explodes, Yeah, this guy. The ball

435
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:18,919
Speaker 2: explodes out of his hand like a freaking cannon. Absolutely,

436
00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,400
Speaker 2: and there's no doubt about it. Now. We talked about

437
00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,720
Speaker 2: this a little bit on Patriots Unfiltered after the draft,

438
00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,240
Speaker 2: and maybe we kicked it around here too. This is

439
00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:32,960
Speaker 2: exactly what I was concerned about going in was and

440
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:36,240
Speaker 2: it's not a shot at volin. But when you watch

441
00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:40,680
Speaker 2: these two guys in practice, there isn't a big difference

442
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,600
Speaker 2: from a physical tools perspective in the two guys. And

443
00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,840
Speaker 2: we knew that coming in because his nickname is literally

444
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,000
Speaker 2: Bazuoka Joe, so we knew he was gonna look impressive

445
00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,520
Speaker 2: in the red non contact jersey when he has a

446
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:57,160
Speaker 2: huge arm, He's six five, two hundred and thirty five

447
00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:02,000
Speaker 2: pounds out there doing backflips and pads. He's an impressive athlete,

448
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,640
Speaker 2: There's no doubt about that. And I sort of expected

449
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 2: this to happen, but at the same time, I don't

450
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:13,320
Speaker 2: think that all of the all the worries about Drake May,

451
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,399
Speaker 2: I don't think are necessarily where I'm at with it

452
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,720
Speaker 2: with him. I think the biggest thing is just to

453
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:22,119
Speaker 2: kind of spell it out. This offense that they're running

454
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,720
Speaker 2: with Alex Van Pelt reminds me and and really the

455
00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:26,919
Speaker 2: bones of their passing game have pretty much lined up

456
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 2: exactly to Mike McCarthy's offense, and that's obviously where Van

457
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,639
Speaker 2: Pelt learned it from in gam Bay. They are a

458
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:38,480
Speaker 2: West Coast offense. They are a timing based passing game.

459
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,680
Speaker 2: Now they have the under center stuff to play action stuff,

460
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:44,680
Speaker 2: the boots and all that kind of stuff, but I'm

461
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 2: talking about when it's third and six. You know, when

462
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,440
Speaker 2: they're in the gun, they're in they're passing the football

463
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 2: for real. They are a timing and rhythm based pass game.

464
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 2: It's West Coast. It's you know, five step drop, three

465
00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:00,840
Speaker 2: step drop, get the ball out. And that is something

466
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,879
Speaker 2: that we knew coming in with his footwork and with

467
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,639
Speaker 2: his rhythm and his drops, that Drake May was going

468
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,680
Speaker 2: to need to work on and the things that I

469
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:10,240
Speaker 2: saw from him earlier in the week, and it was

470
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 2: it was better today, and I want to get to

471
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 2: that the things that I was seeing from him earlier

472
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 2: in the week were a quarterback that was still trying

473
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,440
Speaker 2: to time up everything and that wasn't necessarily seeing the

474
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 2: field quickly enough or seeing it well enough. Because of

475
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 2: the fact that this offense is very much a rhythm

476
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:34,200
Speaker 2: based offense. I think that that's why it's looked at

477
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,920
Speaker 2: times that Joe Milton has been ahead of him. It's

478
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:42,639
Speaker 2: also looked very clear to me that Jacoby Brissett is well.

479
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,920
Speaker 1: Jacoby Brissett's also so I think a lot of this

480
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 1: has to do and look does it. Drake May struggled

481
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 1: the last two days. He was better today and I

482
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 1: don't want to take away from that, but I think

483
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,400
Speaker 1: some of this also has to do with compared to expectations.

484
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:59,959
Speaker 1: Joe Milton has been better than expected, Jacoby Brissett has

485
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 1: been better than expected. Drake May has not done as

486
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 1: well as expected. But the difference is, especially when it

487
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 1: comes to May and Milton. Joe Milton's bar was not

488
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,160
Speaker 1: nearly in the same place as Drake May's bond.

489
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 2: It's a good point, and I also think when it.

490
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 1: Comes to Brisset, you hear about the gap and people

491
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 1: talk about the gap between May and Bursett and it

492
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,239
Speaker 1: being bigger than we expected, and it is bigger than

493
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,159
Speaker 1: we expect, but that's not just because of Drake May.

494
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 1: I would argue that's more because of Jacoby Burssett in

495
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 1: him exceeding exceeding expectations than it is where Drake May

496
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,119
Speaker 1: is at. So it's just kind of this perfect storm

497
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 1: of Joe Milton hasn't been better than Drake May. I

498
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 1: don't think when you factor in the reps he's getting

499
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 1: who he's going with, et cetera, etc. All that, But

500
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 1: Joe Milton compared to his expectations does look more impressive

501
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,239
Speaker 1: than Drake May compared to his. If you flip them,

502
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,360
Speaker 1: we'd be panicking about Joe Milton right now and we'd

503
00:24:58,400 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 1: be saying Drake May is holding his own.

504
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,239
Speaker 2: So, oh yeah, it's a different they at a different bar, right.

505
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,239
Speaker 1: There's there's context there when you say Joe Milton has

506
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: been better than Drake May. There is a context in

507
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 1: which that's true. I just don't think it's the context

508
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 1: that's relevant from a football standpoint.

509
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would also say that there to me, just

510
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 2: charting some of the plays that they ran for both guys.

511
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 2: I do see a little bit of a difference in

512
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 2: the plays that they're.

513
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 1: Asking when I'm talking about like the kind of reps.

514
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, they haven't put Joe Milton under

515
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 2: center nearly as much as they've done with Drake. Drake

516
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 2: may to me, is running the full gamut of the

517
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,120
Speaker 2: Alex Van Pelt offense, and they're going to see instead

518
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 2: of instead of adding if they decide to start Drake Mayo,

519
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 2: or at what point they do decide to start Drake

520
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,400
Speaker 2: may this year, there, I believe are going to They're

521
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 2: going to subtract from this point. So they threw it

522
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 2: all at him and to see what sticks. And then

523
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 2: let's say, come week one against the Bengals, for whatever reason,

524
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 2: whether he outplays, perset is not available, whatever, they have

525
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,640
Speaker 2: to play him in Week one against the Bengals, You're

526
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 2: probably going to get a stripped down version of what

527
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 2: their whole the birth of their offense actually is. Right,

528
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,919
Speaker 2: and then they would only call they'd have a script

529
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:19,959
Speaker 2: where they would only call plays, you know, the fifteen

530
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 2: to twenty plays that he feels comfortable running at this point,

531
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,440
Speaker 2: instead of giving him the full gamut. Whereas with with

532
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 2: Joe Milton, I've seen a lot more of the type

533
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 2: of stuff he was more doing a Tennessee like spread rpo,

534
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 2: you know that kind of thing.

535
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 1: You think we see the wide splits in a preseason game.

536
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 2: No, but you brought up the preseason. I think that's important.

537
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 2: I'm sure Drake May will play it in the preseason,

538
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 2: but I should. But my guess is that in order

539
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 2: to have Joe Milton succeed in the preseason, this is

540
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 2: how they're gonna call it. Right, They're gonna call it

541
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 2: with a little bit more gun, a little bit more rpo,

542
00:26:55,240 --> 00:27:00,239
Speaker 2: a little bit more Tennessee style college style, whereas they

543
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 2: really want Drake May operating their full game into their

544
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 2: pro style system. So it's a little bit different. It's

545
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 2: not apples to apples in terms of what they're being

546
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 2: asked to do, who they're playing with, all those kinds

547
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 2: of things. But it is fair to say that Drake

548
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 2: has I want to I want to say disappointing, like underwhelming, disappointing,

549
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 2: like those are the kind of the words I'm thinking,

550
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,400
Speaker 2: because it's not been terrible, and I do think it's

551
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 2: important to say that he's been better today or he

552
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 2: will well. Just to that point.

553
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 1: I think some of it is how you phrase again,

554
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 1: like how you phrase it, because I've heard behind schedule

555
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 1: used a lot. Yeah, if we're talking about and I

556
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 1: know you want this, yes, but if we're talking about

557
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 1: week one and him starting week one, yes, Drake May

558
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: is behind schedule. If the plan is for him to

559
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 1: be the starter week one, he's behind schedule. But the

560
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: reality is it's probably not the plan, and you can

561
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: argue it shouldn't be. If the plan is for him

562
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 1: to take over at some point during the season, he's

563
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 1: Bowery should be like, it's a learning process, right, and

564
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: so it I feel like a lot of people are

565
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 1: disappointed because they heard you and others like you gassing

566
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 1: up week one. It's on the table. He should be

567
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 1: the guy. I don't want to waste time with Jakobe Brissette.

568
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 2: You're not alone in this.

569
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,679
Speaker 1: I'm using you as an example. I know Jim Murray's

570
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 1: been big on this too.

571
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 2: I'll take responsibility for this, but I will so when

572
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 2: you hear that, I got a little over zealous when

573
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 2: you yeah, so you saying the whole thing about oh well,

574
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 2: with Joe Milton, they're they're just gonna see the shiny toy.

575
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 2: It's gonna be proper for trick. Mate, You're not innocent

576
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 2: in all this when you wasn't wrong about them seeing

577
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 2: the shiny toy with Joe Milton.

578
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 1: By the way, Okay, but you fed the fire because

579
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:37,160
Speaker 1: I was right when you set the expectation for week one. Then, yeah,

580
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: you look at the performance he's had the last few

581
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: days and you say he's not gonna be ready. He's

582
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: probably not gonna be ready for week one. He's playing

583
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: catch up at this point in order to be ready

584
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: for week one. When you look at it and say,

585
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: all right, can he get in there by the end

586
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: of October? Yeah, that's still very much on the table.

587
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: That timeline hasn't necessarily been knocked loose or anything.

588
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

589
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,959
Speaker 1: So I think that's where some of the panic comes from.

590
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 1: Two people just working on an unrealistic timeline.

591
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 2: So can I push back a little bit on the

592
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 2: panic word? Yeah, not I ate you specifically, but just

593
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 2: if it's like this in two weeks, I won't be panicked,

594
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 2: but I will definitely have my foot on the brake

595
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 2: pedal right and say, all right, we gotta be realistic

596
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 2: about this. He's not close. He's gonna have to sit.

597
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 2: So you're still not rolling out week one, No, because

598
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:28,479
Speaker 2: I still feel like a lot can change because days

599
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 2: are it's not develops, not ear velue.

600
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: You want the mac Jones giants practice. That's what you're

601
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: holding out hope for, is the mac Jones giants.

602
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 2: I guess holding out. You can say I'm holding out

603
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 2: hope for it, but the reality is that could like

604
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 2: that's very much in play, and it's just one day today,

605
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 2: but we already saw him make some incremental improvements today.

606
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 2: You know today he he checks into a into a blitzer,

607
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 2: you know cover zero beater, gets them into a perimeter screen,

608
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 2: gets tapped up by Jacoby Jacoby Marrish, Jacoby Brissett afterwards

609
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 2: with yeah, he hits the you know, they get a

610
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 2: under center and he hits the the corner route to

611
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 2: Mitchell Wilcox off play action, which is a it's a

612
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 2: flood concept, you know, vertical clear out, corner route fills

613
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 2: in underneath it. I could pull up cutups off my

614
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 2: laptop of him doing it at North Carolina. I probably

615
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 2: have twenty of them, right, Like, that was a throw

616
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 2: that he loved to throw at North Carolina, especially going

617
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 2: into the field like like off the on the far hash,

618
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 2: because he has all this space to just kind of

619
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 2: layer the ball into a very good throw for him

620
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 2: that he loves throwing. In sevens, he hits you know,

621
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 2: Michael Petaway coming across the field on a nice throat.

622
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 2: Did I say pet Away again?

623
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: Ye?

624
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 2: Petway coming across the field. I'm not a big sevens guy.

625
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 2: I don't really care too much about what he does

626
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 2: in sevens, but it helps my argument absolutely.

627
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: But we do.

628
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 2: You're seeing these little incremental improvements. Now. If he comes

629
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 2: out tomorrow and it's just this he saw this rookie

630
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 2: roller coaster and he bombs tomorrow, then I'll go back

631
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 2: to saying, all right, let's put our foot on the

632
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 2: on the brake pedal. But even though we're not I

633
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 2: think it's fair to say we're not early anymore. But

634
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 2: we're still not done in terms of training camp, and

635
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 2: it's all building up in my mind to the preseason

636
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 2: game and into the joint practice with the Philadelphia Eagles.

637
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 2: Two those games in the joint practice, which we'll see

638
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 2: plenty of Drake may in those are gonna determine whether

639
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 2: or not he's truly ready to start early. It's not

640
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 2: gonna be these practices that we're watching right now when

641
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 2: they're laying base stuff and they're laying foundation and all

642
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. The last thing I'll say about it,

643
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 2: and he almost did it today and I almost jumped

644
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 2: out of my seat. And then he pulled it down

645
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 2: and ran with it, and I was it was killing me.

646
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 2: It's like, let it go. He was rolling to his right.

647
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 2: Ye had Juju Smith Schuster downfield with in single coverage,

648
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 2: no safety. The safety was on the other side of

649
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 2: the field, and he's rolling to his right. In his head,

650
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 2: I knew he was thinking of launching it off platform

651
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 2: right like true tar heels style, you know, just one

652
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 2: of those Josh Allen Patrick Mahomes off platform throws that

653
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 2: we know are in his bag. And he tucked it

654
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 2: and ran with it. And I don't know if that

655
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 2: was because it's a drill and that wasn't the progression

656
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 2: and YadA YadA, YadA, or what the reason was behind it.

657
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 2: But when they get into the preseason games, I'm allowing

658
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 2: for the fact that it might look like he's a

659
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 2: rookie and he's not ready, but I'm also allowing for

660
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 2: the fact that some of that playground football stuff, some

661
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 2: of that just being an athlete and going out there

662
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 2: and slinging it, that might come into play a little

663
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 2: bit more when we get into the actual games than

664
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,719
Speaker 2: what they're doing here in practice. So to go back

665
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 2: to the West Coast offense thing, they're running a timing

666
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 2: based West Coast offense where they're asking Drake May to

667
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 2: execute these plays in structure like they want this to

668
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 2: get how it's drawn up in the playbook. Here's your

669
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 2: five or seven step drop, here's your progression, read one, two,

670
00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 2: three and out right like that's what they're looking at

671
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 2: right now from Drake May. Where I feel like as

672
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 2: a quarterback, that was gonna be a work in progress

673
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 2: for him. Footwork, timing, rhythm, anticipation, like those types of

674
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 2: things were not gonna come to him overnight. That was

675
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 2: gonna be a repetition in a build up. So in

676
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 2: two weeks, if we get to the point where Drake

677
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 2: May is still looking like he looked earlier this week,

678
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 2: I will say I will come on this show and

679
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 2: I look at you and obvious say I was wrong.

680
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 2: I was too over zealous. I got too excited. Right

681
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 2: right now, I'm still holding out hope. I still feel

682
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 2: like that this could still like that light could just

683
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 2: kind of switch on for him and we could be

684
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 2: looking at a different player in a couple of weeks.

685
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 2: But you're right, the stuff that I was saying before,

686
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 2: I'm looking wrong right now about him being able to

687
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 2: start Week one. But I also think that Jacoby Brissett

688
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 2: deserves some credit for that. Absolutely, what have you seen

689
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 2: from Jacoby Brissett? Might as well put that out there.

690
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's nothing flashy. I don't think he's

691
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: gonna come out and win MVP. I don't think he's

692
00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: gonna come out and throw for five thousand yards. But

693
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: and maybe this is just having watched this offense the

694
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: last two years and where the bar is. He gets

695
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: him in out of the huddle, he gets him up

696
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 1: and down the field, and let's I mean, there's a

697
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: bunch of different conversation here, right. We can talk about

698
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,320
Speaker 1: the offensive line, the top offensive line, and they changed

699
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: it today, but before today, they had a consistent group. Yeah,

700
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: per set ahead time, he was making the right reads.

701
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 1: He was delivering the football like it was functional, and

702
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 1: again shouldn't be that high of a bar. It is

703
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: a high bar, but it is a functional.

704
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 2: Professional operation.

705
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: And there were a couple of throws there he made

706
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: that You're like, oh, okay, I didn't realize.

707
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 2: He had that, especially that was the first day in pads. Yeah,

708
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 2: he threw the one to Baker and Thornton within like,

709
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,919
Speaker 2: I don't know, a sequence of like five or six reps.

710
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, he dropped them in the bucket of Thornton and

711
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 1: then he made a throw to Baker. Like, he can

712
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: do some of that off platform, off schedule stuff too.

713
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 1: Let's not act like he's a statue in the pocket, right, So.

714
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 2: He's not a runner, but he's definitely someone that can

715
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 2: move around.

716
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: He's not gonna run, he's not gonna scramble, but he

717
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: can throw on the run and he can throw off

718
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 1: platform when he needs to.

719
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 2: And he's done some of that.

720
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,280
Speaker 1: Again, I'm not saying he's out here looking like Patrick Mahomes,

721
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: but he's that word expectations again from what I was expecting.

722
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 2: He's it's one level above that. He's Look, the guy's.

723
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: One of the thirty two best quarterbacks in the NFL.

724
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: I feel like he gets talked about as a washout. Yeah,

725
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: he's a starting caliber quarterback. Now, he's not necessarily at

726
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: the caliber where he's not a franchise quarterback. He's not

727
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: a guy where he's your starter, you're locking him in

728
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 1: and set it and forget it. Right, But again, he

729
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 1: is a I would say he's a top twenty starting

730
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 1: quarterback in the NFL.

731
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 2: It might be like nineteen twenty, yeah, but maybe I

732
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 2: mean like in Cleveland in twenty two. And I know

733
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 2: everybody points that that is not anti perset, but just

734
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 2: on the other side points to his record in Cleveland.

735
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:54,879
Speaker 2: So he started eleven games, I think there are four

736
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 2: and seven. The record in Cleveland counts. It's Cleveland. Okay, well,

737
00:35:58,280 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 2: you know they're good last year.

738
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: But besides the point, right, yeah, the one year they

739
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 1: don't have any quarterbacks, they're good.

740
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 2: That's just classic Browns. Statistically speaking, he was decent with

741
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 2: the Browns two years ago in this offense. And the

742
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 2: one thing with Brissett that is definitely there. In that

743
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 2: season with Cleveland in twenty two, he was tenth in

744
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 2: the league in big time throw rate. Like this guy

745
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 2: can make some of those franchise quarterback throws. Now, is

746
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 2: it consistent on a Mahomes level or is it the

747
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 2: other elements of his game? Are they consistent? Not necessarily,

748
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 2: and that's probably why the record reflects that he's not,

749
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 2: you know, this franchise guy. But he was up there

750
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 2: in the league that year in the amount of impressive

751
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 2: you know, with PFF calls him big time throws, you

752
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 2: want to call them franchise quarterback throws, wow throws, whatever,

753
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 2: those types of throws that were like he made the

754
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 2: other day with you know, the dropping in the bucket

755
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 2: and Taekwon's a great throw. You know, the laser to

756
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 2: Javon Baker and against cover two in the whole good throw. Like,

757
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 2: those are throws that we would I would log and

758
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 2: PFF would log as Betts, those are big time throws. Now,

759
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 2: he's had struggles with consistency and you know, playing four

760
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 2: full quarters and like all that kind of stuff. But

761
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 2: you know, just as an example, remember when the Browns

762
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,760
Speaker 2: and the Bills had to play that game in Detroit

763
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 2: because if there's like some storm or something like that,

764
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 2: regardless they played the game of Detroit. Go watch that

765
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 2: film for Jacoby Brissett in twenty twenty two Brown's Bills.

766
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 2: He's light in the world on fire in the first

767
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 2: half of that game. Like, he looks like a legitimate

768
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 2: quarterback in that game. And I'm not ruling that out

769
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 2: this year, that he's gonna have moments that he could

770
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 2: have moments like that. Will it result in wins and losses?

771
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 2: I don't know, But I think he could have moments

772
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 2: of those types of things and that could be enough

773
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 2: to keep Drake May on the bench. And whether you

774
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 2: want to call that a good thing or a bad

775
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 2: thing is up to you. Like, in some ways, it's

776
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 2: buying the Patriots time to allow Drake mel May to develop.

777
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 2: Behind the scenes, you wish that Drake May would would

778
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 2: take it right right, but we're not gonna be able

779
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 2: to see that once camp ends and we're closed out

780
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 2: of practice. So that's that's where we're at with the quarterbacks.

781
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 2: I am still there's no way I'm coming off the

782
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 2: Drake May train after seven practices in two I'm not

783
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 2: expecting to come off the train. And I'm not either.

784
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 2: I'm not either.

785
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 1: Like I still like the pick. I still think he's

786
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 1: the right guy. I still think he has a chance

787
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: to be a true difference making quarterback in this league.

788
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 1: I just don't think he's gonna be that week one

789
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 1: of the twenty twenty four season. And that's perfectly okay.

790
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: The worst thing you can do, the worst thing that

791
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: could happen is he's not that guy for week one

792
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: of the twenty twenty four season. Yet you put him

793
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: out there and try to make him be that anyway

794
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: before he's ready, because that's how you ruin a guy's

795
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:46,760
Speaker 1: confidence and you create bad habits.

796
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 2: Okay, So let me ask you this though. Yeah, let's

797
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 2: say they decide that they feel like organizationally, and they

798
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 2: probably won't feel this way because Elliott comes from the

799
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 2: Green Bay Packers and that whole school thought of you know,

800
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 2: Aaron Rogers and Jordan Love and like these guys that

801
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 2: have sat right, So I don't think that this is

802
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 2: how they're gonna view it. But just for the sake

803
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 2: of the argument or the discussion, let's say they feel

804
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 2: like it's better for him to learn on the job.

805
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 2: That's the issues that he has are only gonna be

806
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 2: fixed with game reps, right, and only be fixed with playing.

807
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 2: So it's better for him to learn on the job.

808
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 2: But we're gonna have to pare down the playbook and

809
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,919
Speaker 2: not necessarily that they're only gonna have him throwing five

810
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 2: yard passes. I'm just saying, we're gonna have to manage

811
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 2: this right what he's doing, and a lot of that

812
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 2: could be a lot of play action right like that

813
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 2: always helps for quarterbacks and bootlegs. They are getting him

814
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 2: outside the pocket, which will help you know you now

815
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 2: you're only reading one side on the field instead of

816
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 2: these full field progressions, like all these little things that

817
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 2: they could do to pare down the playbook to the

818
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 2: point where they're not asking him to carry the world

819
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,879
Speaker 2: on his shoulders. Would you be against that line of thought?

820
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: Yes, And maybe some of this is just the way

821
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: you put it, maybe some, But you're talking about learning

822
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: on the job, right, So that implies he's not ready.

823
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 1: That implies there's a chance that even doing this is

824
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: not going to be enough. I've said this since the beginning.

825
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: This is my biggest take on Drake May and when

826
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: he should start. You cannot, under any circumstance short of

827
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,879
Speaker 1: major injury, pull him once.

828
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 2: He is your starter. He is your starter.

829
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 1: You cannot get to week three and realize, oh crap,

830
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: he's not ready and go back to Jacoby Brissett that

831
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: is the most destabilizing thing you can do for the organization.

832
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 1: So if you're doing that because you feel he will be,

833
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: not can be, will be competitive in that setting, you

834
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: could sell me on it. If you're doing that because well,

835
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 1: this is the only way we're going to get him

836
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: on the field, then no, because that means he's not

837
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,879
Speaker 1: ready to be on the field and you can't put

838
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,320
Speaker 1: him out there and then realize we've made a terrible mistake.

839
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 1: He's not ready because you can't bench him. So that

840
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: would scare me a little bit. Yes, Okay, that's fair enough.

841
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 2: I just feel like, to me, all the things that

842
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 2: I've seen him have some trouble with in these practices,

843
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 2: or all the things that we talked about pre draft

844
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 2: or some of his yet none of this is a surprise,

845
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 2: by the way, right, That's what I'm getting at is

846
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 2: that that's why I'm not panicking, Not because A you

847
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 2: shouldn't panic after seven freaking practices, people like it's calm down.

848
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 2: But B the other reason why I'm not panicking is

849
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 2: because we knew that operating in structure, rhythm, footwork, timing, anticipation,

850
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,320
Speaker 2: all these types of boxes were all the things that

851
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 2: he needed to work on from the college game. Like

852
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 2: if you thought that he was gonna come in and

853
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 2: he was gonna, you know, be this efficient quarterback right

854
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,280
Speaker 2: off the jump, then that's not the guy that they drafted.

855
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 2: Like we knew that. We knew that. So I wonder

856
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 2: if there is a school of thought that says that

857
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 2: the only way that he's gonna learn or only way

858
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 2: that they're going to train him up in those areas

859
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 2: is playing. And at that point, then you have to

860
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 2: figure out a way to get him on the field

861
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 2: on Sundays not shatter his confidence completely, which would mean

862
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 2: probably going in with a pair of down playbook. But

863
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 2: at that point, just don't just wait, But how is

864
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 2: he going to get the reps? Because you're if you're

865
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,919
Speaker 2: getting Jacolia Bussette ready to play the game, right, he's

866
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 2: gonna have to get the reps in practice. You might

867
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 2: be able to get some reps for Drake may in

868
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 2: practice mental reps. They've they've hyped up that VR thing

869
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 2: like you're gonna be in the VR headset. I would

870
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 2: also I would be giving him more reps with the

871
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 2: starters now for that exact reason. Yeah, I would. I

872
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 2: think we all would love to see that.

873
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: And and Mayo said today is gonna happen. He didn't

874
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: say win, but he did say it's gonna happen.

875
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, we would all love to see that. All right,

876
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 2: let's let's take some of these phone calls and then

877
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 2: we'll do our three up, three down. And we got

878
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 2: some emails as well. So Aiden is in brighton what's up? Aiden? Hey? Yeah,

879
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 2: you're on What's up?

880
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: Hey?

881
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 3: I love the show, guys, thanks the much. Just shout

882
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 3: out nerds everywhere. But really quick, I wanted to ask

883
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 3: about one of the best players on defense.

884
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 4: Kyle Dolger.

885
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 3: I feel like around the league he's aired nationally the

886
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 3: most cred warrant and I personally want him to move

887
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 3: the middle linebacker. I think for three reasons. One, I

888
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 3: think get your best player closer to the ball and

889
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 3: make more plays. Two, he has this kind of like

890
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 3: more of him and Ryan Sheet and you're kind of

891
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 3: vibe that you want that I really like, And I

892
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 3: think that it would even out the spacey room a

893
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 3: lot better in terms of their skill sets matching up

894
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 3: on the field, having Jalen Hawkins and more of a

895
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 3: free safety role. So I just want to get your

896
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 3: opinion on whether or not you could do it and

897
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 3: how do you think that would fit with the defense?

898
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 3: Thank Gus Love Show.

899
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 2: Thanks Aden, thanks for the call. That's an interesting theory.

900
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 2: I could see it in certain situations, like if you

901
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 2: wanted to put him at the second level of the

902
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 2: defense on a third and long or you know, a

903
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 2: two minute or something like that, where he's like basically

904
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,280
Speaker 2: just playing coverage linebacker at that point. And you mentioned

905
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 2: Fred Warners and all around demon but like maybe that

906
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 2: that sort of element to Fred Warner's game on third

907
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:54,839
Speaker 2: and eight, he could play there and make it work

908
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 2: as an every down linebacker. I think the biggest thing

909
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 2: is that they would have to change how they play

910
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 2: up front to have a two hundred and fifteen and

911
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 2: twenty pound guy playing at the second level. And this

912
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 2: is what we've always talked about with getting faster and

913
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. If you're gonna be like

914
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 2: a spacating two gapping whatever you want to call it,

915
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 2: odd front defense. That the reason why they have bigger backers,

916
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 2: like to Vi Bentley, those players is because they have

917
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 2: to play in a phone booth and take on guards,

918
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 2: and take on lead blockers and take on guys in

919
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 2: the trash in the trenches, and you're you're gonna get

920
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 2: run over like a bowling pin if you're too small

921
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 2: playing in that spot. So that that's a big reason

922
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 2: why they they still deploy like a Bentley uh or

923
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 2: even at Tavia when he's at the second level, is

924
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:47,280
Speaker 2: because their system asked them to take on mostly guards often,

925
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 2: and you have to have some size obviously to do that.

926
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 2: I also just would say, you know, to his point,

927
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 2: almost the they're like box safety if you want to

928
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 2: call it that, or their hybrid safety role has so

929
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 2: much linebacker overlap that they're they're playing a ton of

930
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 2: linebacker style reps playing in those spots that there. It's

931
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 2: almost like it's it's almost we're almost arguing about nothing.

932
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 2: Right Like here we're saying he needs to play linebacker.

933
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 1: He's playing like a linebacker, whether he's in those positional

934
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: meetings or not.

935
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 2: That's how they're using him, right exactly, exactly, All right,

936
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 2: Patty is an agua? What's up? Patty?

937
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:34,800
Speaker 4: What's hear me?

938
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: Ye?

939
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 2: How's it going?

940
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 5: But so I just had a quick question for you.

941
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 5: But first, Evan got to get your props on I

942
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 5: am the Tiger and Alex the I watched, I watched

943
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:55,280
Speaker 5: the the show he did the other day with the crossover,

944
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 5: the Killer Crossover from three different three different shows. It

945
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 5: was awesome along with you and I just wanted to

946
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 5: know if, now, now this is a crazy hypothetical, Cayden

947
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 5: Wallace is your left tackle for the year and plays at.

948
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 4: A Pro Bowl level.

949
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 5: It doesn't make the Pro Bowl, but just plays at

950
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 5: at a pretty high level. Do you go into next

951
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 5: year's draft look in the draft, maybe you're you know,

952
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 5: like a replacement for Judah off the edge of cornerback.

953
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 5: Do you focus more on defense like trade down. Where

954
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 5: do you go from there? Or do you still think

955
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 5: that left tackle is that big of a priority even

956
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 5: if you have a guy in house that's playing at

957
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 5: a great level. And I'll take it off here, guys.

958
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 2: Thanks Patty. That's a great question, Patty, great question for

959
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 2: this show. So it's a great point. If Cayden Wallace,

960
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 2: who I want to call it themotion because we don't know,

961
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 2: but he was with the second team offense today after

962
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:53,399
Speaker 2: being with the first team offense earlier in the week.

963
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 2: But I do like what I've seen out of Kiden Wallace,

964
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 2: on the whole YEA and think he's he's on track

965
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 2: right now to be a Day one starter for the

966
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 2: Patriots at left tackle or right tackle, depending on where

967
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:09,399
Speaker 2: they settle, but probably left. So if Cayden Wallace ends

968
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 2: up being I don't even necessarily think he needs to

969
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 2: be probable level. Let's just say he starter level at tackle.

970
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 2: And as a rookie, do you feel like we can

971
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:22,839
Speaker 2: move off of Will Campbell, Kelvin Banks or and move

972
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 2: on to a different position.

973
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: Let's not forget they have another tackle spot. That's a

974
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: question too, and chokes a cor four is on a

975
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: one year contract, and what's happening on the right side.

976
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 1: So yeah, I would argue, and there's it's a hypothetical,

977
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 1: and there's hypotheticals on hypotheticals here, there's layers. If Cayden

978
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,879
Speaker 1: Wallace is good at left tackle, I'd argue, he's probably

979
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,879
Speaker 1: gonna be great at right tackle. And then I would

980
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: consider drafting Calvin Banks or Will Campbell and moving Caden

981
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: Wallace to the right side, back at his natural position,

982
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: And maybe he takes a jump on the right side,

983
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: and now you're set set, Now you're golden up front.

984
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: There is also though an argument to be made that, okay,

985
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: you have a solid love tackle Judea on leaves. James

986
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 1: Pierce Junior is the top edge rusher in this class

987
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: from Tennessee.

988
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 2: Quite a few good in defensive front guys.

989
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: There, James Pierce Juniors unless he well, okay, So there's

990
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: a couple of ways you go here. James Pierce Junior.

991
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 1: Is you were talking edge traditional you know you said

992
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 1: judn replacement. Yeah, James Pierce Junior is the guy in

993
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: his class out of Tennessee.

994
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 2: Do you go there?

995
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: You could also go, okay, maybe you know has a

996
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,760
Speaker 1: good year. Maybe Keon White does. What's happening with Christian Barmore.

997
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 1: There's a guy named Dion Walker from Kentucky. Now, Evan,

998
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,320
Speaker 1: you know how I feel about Jordan Davis. I'm not

999
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: going to put anybody in the Jordan Davis category because

1000
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 1: I think he is a freaking unicorn. Yeah, but Dion

1001
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: Walker is one of those guys that you look at

1002
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: you say, how the hell are you moving that way

1003
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 1: at three hundred and thirty pounds. Guy's a freak true

1004
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: pass rush factor as a defensive tackle. If Barbour's medical

1005
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 1: condition is or maybe you just want two of those guys,

1006
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: because it would be it's not a fun Dean Walker.

1007
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: You could also go the route of Christian Gonzales hasn't

1008
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 1: had a great camp. What if that whole thing ended

1009
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: up being fools gold Well, now we're talking about Will

1010
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 1: Johnson so or.

1011
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 2: Even just having a no fly zone with both of

1012
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 2: them out, or you could go that route, so like

1013
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 2: he definitely or can I throw a third another route

1014
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 2: out you real quick? I know we were talking defense,

1015
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 2: but like you could also go to the Luther Burden route. Well,

1016
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:29,879
Speaker 2: so I'm gonna be really well.

1017
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: I hope we get to do sort of a college

1018
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: football draft previewers thing at some point. Luthor Burden Tech

1019
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: McMillan is going to be a really interesting debate between

1020
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: Patriots fans this year because Luthor Burden is probably a

1021
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: slightly better player. It's so tough because Tech McMillan is

1022
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 1: so young and I'm I don't want to say anything

1023
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,320
Speaker 1: definitive about him yet, but assuming he continues on the

1024
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: path we think he's gonna go on, you get into

1025
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 1: this debate of building a football team. Tech McMillan's probably

1026
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: the better option because he gives you something you don't

1027
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: have you already. He's the puer x right, Luthor Burden,

1028
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: and some of that is Javon Baker. Again, there's so

1029
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 1: much we don't know. Luther Burden is gonna be very

1030
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 1: redundant with a guy like Pop Douglas, who's probably your

1031
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: best receiver. But do you just say, Efitt, We'll figure

1032
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: out a way to make it work. Like, let's get

1033
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: all the talent in here. So there's a ton of

1034
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 1: I think we just mentioned everybody. I mean, I guess

1035
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 1: the one guy we didn't talk about is Travis Hunter,

1036
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: but you can put him in the corner conversation with

1037
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: Will Johnson. I don't think he's gonna be a receiver

1038
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 1: at the NFL level, at least not regularly. Like it

1039
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 1: definitely frees up more ways to go. But to go

1040
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: back to the original question, there will be a case

1041
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 1: to be made and we have to see how all

1042
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: this other stuff plays out. But just in a bubble, Yeah,

1043
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 1: Kean Wallace is pretty good at left tackle, Well what

1044
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: if he's great at right? And you add Will Campbell

1045
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: and now you're talking about potentially building towards one of

1046
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 1: the better tackle tackle combos in the NFL. In a

1047
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 1: league where there are not enough tackles to go around.

1048
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I will always be in the school thought of

1049
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 2: reinforcing the offensive line. You know that I will raft

1050
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 2: as many offensive linemen as they need to until they

1051
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:03,359
Speaker 2: have five guys that can play.

1052
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 5: Now.

1053
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 2: I also would say that if this is let's say

1054
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 2: it's a good year. Yeah, necessarily wins and losses, Like,

1055
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 2: we're not getting all caught up in that yet, but

1056
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,839
Speaker 2: let's just say it's a step forward. It's a progress here.

1057
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 2: It's that foundational year that Jarrod Mayo is talking about.

1058
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:19,959
Speaker 2: That probably means that Alex Van Pelta, you feel pretty

1059
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 2: good about that system, that coach reinforcing the offensive line

1060
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 2: even further and drafting another tackle to build off of

1061
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 2: this system. You know, in Cleveland they had Jedrick Wills

1062
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 2: and Jack Conklin for years. I had both tackle spots,

1063
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 2: and I had two of the best tackles and one

1064
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 2: of the best offensive lines in football, and that was

1065
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 2: the bedrock of their offense.

1066
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: The other thing, I mean, if we want to play

1067
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 1: this out, maybe kan Wallace is good at left tackle

1068
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: and you're happy there. Again, Chuck's on a one year deal.

1069
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 1: If Kane Wallace is good. Like you said, things go well, well,

1070
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 1: maybe they're not going to have that top ten pick.

1071
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:56,439
Speaker 1: Maybe they're at like eleven, twelve, somewhere in that range.

1072
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 1: Now we start talking about Emery Jones, who's the right

1073
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 1: tackle at EL. We've talked a lot about Will Campbell

1074
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: and Kelvin Banks because they are the two best left

1075
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 1: tackles in this class and there's a significant.

1076
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 2: Drop off after that.

1077
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 1: But there are other two other first round tackles, Emery

1078
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: Jones from LSU and Tyler Booker from Alabama. But those

1079
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:15,359
Speaker 1: guys play on the right side. This show's pretty set

1080
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: in how we feel about moving tackles back and forth. Yeah,

1081
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:19,720
Speaker 1: but maybe look at and say, all right, Caden Wallace

1082
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:22,280
Speaker 1: is our left tackle. Let's see if we can upgrade

1083
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: chokes the corps for and.

1084
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 2: Had a guy like Emery Jones. Yeah, it's an exciting

1085
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 2: proposition to just the Candon Wallace thing in general. And

1086
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 2: I know I mentioned that he was with the Twoes

1087
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 2: today and maybe that that I had him on my

1088
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 2: ups and I kind of took him off because I'm

1089
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 2: not sure maybe they are seeing something that I am

1090
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 2: not right. I am not a coach, and I don't

1091
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 2: have the luxury of watching the practice film back. So

1092
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 2: maybe a couple of times I've caught him at the

1093
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 2: corner of the eye that I thought he's looked good.

1094
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 2: They actually have watched the film back and it hasn't

1095
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:54,879
Speaker 2: been as good. I'm allowing for that. So we'll see

1096
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 2: what it is tomorrow when they are back in pads,

1097
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 2: and see what it looks like in a couple of

1098
00:52:58,440 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 2: weeks and all that kind of stuff as well.

1099
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 1: So again to sum it up, yes, we're both tackles.

1100
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:04,399
Speaker 2: I think.

1101
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: Still we both saying tackle, but to something we just said.

1102
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: There's like eight or nine players on the roster that

1103
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: are gonna dictate their biggest draft need, and depending on

1104
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: what happens, about half of the first round is in play.

1105
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: Here's what I can't tell you definitively, Evan, let me

1106
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 1: just get there. There's one thing I can tell you

1107
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 1: definitively about what the Patriots plan should be in the

1108
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 1: first round as we sit here right now. Carson Beck

1109
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: not a part of the plan. Shular Sanders not a

1110
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: part of the plan. Anybody else We can have the conversation.

1111
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: There's guys I prefer to others, but at this point,

1112
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,720
Speaker 1: you can write those two off anybody else where.

1113
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:39,959
Speaker 2: We're in business. I'm gonna like, Luther Burden, you're gonna

1114
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 2: love so give me, like give me some like a

1115
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 2: comp like I know that those are tough, but like

1116
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 2: give me because the way you described to me, yeah,

1117
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 2: Luther Burden, the way that I think. The guy that

1118
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 2: immediately comes to mind is Jayleen Waddle. He's a little smaller. Yeah,

1119
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 2: he's listed at five eleven two o eight. I don't

1120
00:53:59,200 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 2: know about that.

1121
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 1: He's going to be another one of these guys that

1122
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: it's gonna be. We'll see at the combine. Yeah, I

1123
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: mean like he's ideally if he shows out. I think

1124
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: he's kind of in the mold of this year. Xavier Worthy, Like.

1125
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 2: He's explosive, but he's a little bit soccer it's weird

1126
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 2: like meteor, you know, like not he's not gonna like Yeah,

1127
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:20,839
Speaker 2: Davire Worthy has a pretty gangly frame.

1128
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not that small. Luther Burn's weird to me. Missouri.

1129
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,800
Speaker 1: I'm interested to see you watch Missouri's offense, yeah, because

1130
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 1: you wouldn't have watched them a ton this year.

1131
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 2: Jay Von Foster was the one man watching the line play,

1132
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 2: which is I'm not looking right.

1133
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:39,279
Speaker 1: So, like he's listed at five eleven to two o eight.

1134
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 1: I take the under on that by a ton. He

1135
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: plays much bigger than he is, but some of it

1136
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 1: is Missouri uses him not exclusively, but he plays a

1137
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 1: lot as a boundary as an X guy.

1138
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's probably not going to be that at

1139
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,439
Speaker 2: the NFL. So you're to me, you're saying a little

1140
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 2: bit bigger xaviy're Worthy, that is probably gonna move more

1141
00:54:57,640 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 2: inside of the NFL. Like I feel like you're describing

1142
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 2: Jalen No, not I I how much did Jalen Wattle

1143
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 2: play at the X at Alabama? A decent amount, I guess.

1144
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: Let me put it this way, he's like somewhere between

1145
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 1: Jalen Wattle and DeVante Smith. Actually that's a good Okay,

1146
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 1: those Alabama receivers were like, I wouldn't put.

1147
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 2: Him square my favorite receiver, right, No, Like you're gonna.

1148
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 1: Like him like he's he's explosive, he's shifty, he's a

1149
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: good route runner, he's good with the ball in his hands,

1150
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: like he checks all those boxes. He's just whether it's

1151
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,479
Speaker 1: Xavier Worthy, whether it's Zay Flowers, whether it's Jalen Wada

1152
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 1: whether it's DeVante Smith. His college usage doesn't come near

1153
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 1: those guys. His college usage is very unique, which I

1154
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 1: think there's gonna be a lot of debate on him

1155
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 1: because he's going to be a case of what you

1156
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 1: see in terms of what you see present versus how.

1157
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 2: You see the potential.

1158
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 1: And if Tech McMillan breaks out, if Tech McMillan has

1159
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 1: the breakout year, that's gonna be a definitive guy six '

1160
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: five but strong receiver.

1161
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 2: True x So Tech McMillan. I know you hate I

1162
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 2: know you don't.

1163
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 1: Ceiling ceiling ceiling, Yeah, as we like to say, does Bryant,

1164
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 1: does Bryant, You're gonna hear a lot of I know

1165
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 1: you don't want to do it. You're gonna hear a

1166
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 1: lot of people talk about Mike Evans because he's good

1167
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 1: with the ball in his hands too.

1168
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 2: But I think the world of Des Bryant. Yeah, Mike

1169
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 2: Evans is Mike. Like Mike Evans a Hall of Famer.

1170
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,240
Speaker 1: So you well, you said ceiling ceiling, ceiling, ceiling ceiling, Yeah.

1171
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 2: Right, but but he is not dominating like Mike Evans was.

1172
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 1: The l it's but it's tough because he it Arizona's

1173
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 1: not built like that. He made Johnny Manziel look like,

1174
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 1: don't know he did.

1175
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:35,439
Speaker 2: He made Johnny Manzel like the first Mike Evans should

1176
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 2: have won the Heisman.

1177
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 1: Yes, he should know you're Upoe, but but the point is, like,

1178
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:43,359
Speaker 1: people are gonna see a big, physical receiver who has

1179
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 1: if if he and again he's so young, he's I

1180
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 1: think he's a true junior. Yeah, he's so young, so

1181
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 1: it's tough to say. But like you're gonna see a

1182
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 1: guy at six five who moves like he's six to

1183
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 1: one in a good way, but can play like he's

1184
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 1: six Those are the flashes that are on tape, and

1185
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 1: we are such a long way away, especially from a

1186
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 1: guy that's now we're.

1187
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 2: In the middle of training camp and we're talking draft.

1188
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 2: Let's let's the point.

1189
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 1: If he has the season people think he's gonna have,

1190
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 1: it's gonna be up there. There's gonna be a lot

1191
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 1: of people saying he's like, the path is gonna be

1192
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 1: clearer with him to NFL success than it will be

1193
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 1: to Luther Burden. I think Luther Burton ultimately has a

1194
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 1: higher ceiling. As I taught, throw Mike Evans out there,

1195
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 1: like I that's what people are gonna say. I think

1196
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 1: Luther Burton has a higher ceiling, but you're gonna see

1197
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 1: people saying tech McMillan. Is they plug and play day

1198
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 1: one wide receiver, one easy answer, whereas with Luther Burden

1199
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a little bit more work to get

1200
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 1: in there.

1201
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough. Has your work from home space turned

1202
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 2: into in everything space? Alex?

1203
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 1: Uh?

1204
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 2: It did fire back of camp, but it did find

1205
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 2: furniture that fits your life, your budget in your living

1206
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 2: space thanks to Bob's Discount Furniture Shop, tons of on trend,

1207
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 2: small space friendly styles likes, do it all dining sets,

1208
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 2: smart storage and small footprint sectionals that can take you

1209
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 2: all the way from midday meeting to happy hour and

1210
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 2: no time. So stop into your local store and multitask

1211
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 2: stylishly with Bob's Discount Furniture, the official furniture store of

1212
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 2: the New England Patriots. I was multitasking in my work

1213
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 2: from home space yesterday, uh doing some stuff, yeah, Patriots stuff,

1214
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 2: and watching Team USA basketball at the same time. It

1215
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 2: was fantastic and the Red Sox were on right afterwards.

1216
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 2: It was a great day, good day off. Let's do

1217
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 2: three up, three down for training camp. Through seven days

1218
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 2: of training camp, I should say, and I want to

1219
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 2: start with ups. We'll start with the positive or positive show.

1220
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 2: All right, my number one up for training camp? You

1221
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 2: ready for this? I did? I did it kind of.

1222
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 2: I kind of did a you and like went like

1223
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 2: a little outside the box with this. Okay, my number

1224
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 2: one up for training camp, Scott freaking Peters. Do an applause,

1225
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 2: do a standing o forum, Thank you, strike systems, oh technique,

1226
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 2: all of it, all of it. Taylor Coles, We're one

1227
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 2: week into training camp in this offensive line already looks

1228
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 2: better than it has the last two years, simply because

1229
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 2: they have an offensive line coach that seems like he

1230
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 2: knows how to do the damn thing right. And I

1231
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 2: am thrilled about that. The strike system thing, I got

1232
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 2: a little you know, like that's not here nor there.

1233
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 2: Maybe a little overrated, but I have seen more competent

1234
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 2: offensive line play and those two padded practices at the

1235
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 2: beginning of the week than I saw at combined probably

1236
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 2: in the last two training camps for the Patriots. There

1237
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 2: was actual time in the pocket for Jacobe Brissett to

1238
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 2: like survey the field and make throws down the field.

1239
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 2: When's the last time we've seen that at a in

1240
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 2: a regular basis. It's been a minute. They actually, on

1241
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 2: the day one of pads, they broke off not one,

1242
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 2: not two, but three successful outside zone runs on day

1243
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:00,080
Speaker 2: one of pads in a new system where they they

1244
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 2: haven't really been blocking outside zone and all this stuff

1245
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 2: that I talked about that I was concerned that they

1246
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 2: weren't in a fit. They They've looked pretty good blocking

1247
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 2: outside zone so far. I think he knows what he's doing.

1248
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 2: I think he's doing a solid job. And just to

1249
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 2: give some credit to the players as well, I think

1250
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 2: all those guys have marginally improved since the start of

1251
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 2: camp and you can see it, like cityso looks like

1252
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 2: a much better pass protector in year two than he

1253
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 2: did in year one. And a lot of things that

1254
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 2: he talked about. I know that we're joking about the

1255
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 2: strike system, but he's actually talking a lot about independent

1256
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 2: hands and you know, not throw when you don't When

1257
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 2: you don't throw both hands at the same time, what

1258
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 2: happens when you throw like a two hand punch. It

1259
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 2: can work if you hit, but if you don't hit,

1260
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 2: you end up getting off balance and you're now lunging

1261
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 2: forward and that's when guys, you know, can you know,

1262
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 2: swat and go around you and stuff like that. So

1263
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 2: what Scott Peters preaches is a lot of independent hand

1264
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 2: usage right where it's just the left or just the

1265
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 2: right and you sit back in your chair and you

1266
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 2: kind of absorb at that point. City so has looked

1267
01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:00,959
Speaker 2: a lot better. Caden Wallace I think is making really

1268
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 2: positive strides, good progress. Leyden Robinson has looked decent for

1269
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 2: a rookie early on in training camp. They seem to

1270
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 2: have solidified this interior three of so andrews on Weni,

1271
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 2: which I love. I think that has a chance to

1272
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 2: be not just a good interior three, but like kind

1273
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 2: of a high level interior three. If City continues to

1274
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 2: make progress, you have a plus center, you have a

1275
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 2: plus guard, and then hopefully you have a starting caliber

1276
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:29,439
Speaker 2: left guard in City. So I'm loving what I'm seeing

1277
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 2: so far from the line. Thank you. So like not

1278
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 2: watching a practice where it's an absolute train wreck up

1279
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 2: front is so refreshing. You know, for me, this is

1280
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 2: like pants off, Like this is just amazing. So really

1281
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 2: quickly to end this rant, there's a chance and I'm

1282
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 2: it's early, or it's not early, it's mid it's middle

1283
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 2: of training camp. There's a chance that those Cleveland guys

1284
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 2: just kind of know how to coach the line right.

1285
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 2: The system works for the line in terms of the

1286
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 2: schematics and the big picture concept. Scott Peters knows how

1287
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 2: to coach the technique. He's been in this offense. He

1288
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 2: knows what needs to be done to be successful. I

1289
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 2: think there's just a chance that they just are good

1290
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 2: at coaching up linemens.

1291
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 1: So we used to talk about this when people would ask,

1292
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 1: you know, what's going on with the Patriots and wide receivers,

1293
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:19,439
Speaker 1: and we'd say, they're just not a wide receiver team,

1294
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 1: whether it's talent evaluation, identification development. And we contrast that

1295
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 1: with they are a corner team. They can find corners,

1296
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 1: they can go get an undrafted guy in tournament was

1297
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 1: starting caliber player right. Yeah, And there are teams that

1298
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 1: are different that just franchises that generally identify different positions differently.

1299
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 1: I would say Cleveland has for at least the last

1300
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:43,240
Speaker 1: what five six years, been an offensive line team, and

1301
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 1: they would just any guy they added seemed to work out.

1302
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 1: They fantastic track record there, and you now have a

1303
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 1: piece of that here in Scott Peters and some of

1304
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 1: the other guys that are involved, and you hope that

1305
01:02:57,240 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 1: some of that rubs off. And I think maybe that's

1306
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 1: what you're seeing that. Whatever it was, that system in Cleveland,

1307
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 1: identification development, whatever, it's probably a combination of both. It

1308
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 1: worked and maybe now you're seeing that system in play here.

1309
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 2: So just really quickly to put a player on it. Yeah.

1310
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say, give me, like your most

1311
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 1: impressive offensive line's good lights out? Yeah, fantastic. I have

1312
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:24,120
Speaker 1: him at seven to one and one and one on

1313
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 1: one drills right now.

1314
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 2: You would have at six o one yesterday. Didn't do

1315
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 2: anyone on there.

1316
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 1: So I missed the key on White Repka and I

1317
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 1: trust I trust Badard. He saw it with his own eyes.

1318
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 2: He told me.

1319
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, I didn't know if I

1320
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:40,440
Speaker 1: missed him doing like non padded offensive line one.

1321
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, I I trust him. I I must

1322
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:45,720
Speaker 2: have missed it. I'm I don't know why. I you know,

1323
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 2: sometimes you don't see it happens. It's a lot going on. Yeah. So,

1324
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 2: and they were split into two groups while this was

1325
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 2: going on, so officially I'm going with seven to one

1326
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 2: and one. He's won his first six I think he

1327
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:02,080
Speaker 2: won his first and then he tie had him down

1328
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 2: for a tie. Yeah, just a stalemate. You know, I

1329
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 2: kind of give tie, you know, when okay, you got

1330
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 2: I should go to the offense though. Yeah, but like

1331
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 2: if you get walked back a little bit into the

1332
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 2: quarterback and then anchor, like, I still kind of tend

1333
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:17,200
Speaker 2: to give that as a tie, and then I and

1334
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:18,920
Speaker 2: then I guess Kean White did beat him and I

1335
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 2: didn't see it. So seven to one and one, and

1336
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 2: in those wins, he's just like a man amongst boys,

1337
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 2: Like guys just can't get around him. Uh, he's just

1338
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:32,919
Speaker 2: been stellar. So I would say Mike Onwen who would

1339
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 2: be the best so far? But the most promising is

1340
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 2: is definitely the rookies like, yeah, Kaden Wallace and Layden

1341
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:43,280
Speaker 2: Robinson looking like they belonged this early in camp. Go

1342
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 2: get him, Scottie, good job.

1343
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 1: So I figured you to have the offensive line, so

1344
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 1: I kind of tried to work mine around yours. Maybe

1345
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 1: this is an overlap. Yeah, Covers Sett Yeah, we got

1346
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:55,600
Speaker 1: alread talked about it, so we spent a lot of time.

1347
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 2: But Cover set's been good. Yeah, it's been really good.

1348
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 2: It's fair enough. I'm not surprised about what we're seeing

1349
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 2: from Jacoby Brissett. Like I said, I think a lot

1350
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 2: of people looked at the record in Cleveland in twenty

1351
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:08,800
Speaker 2: twenty two, and whether you're into QB wins or you're

1352
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:11,480
Speaker 2: not into QB wins, they have some merit of if

1353
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 2: this guy's good or not right, And I think a

1354
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 2: lot of people looked at the QB wins for Jacoby Brissett,

1355
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 2: not just in Cleveland, but also just throughout his career

1356
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:21,960
Speaker 2: as a starter. He's made forty eight starts. His record's

1357
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:25,360
Speaker 2: not great, and a lot of people just he sticks right,

1358
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:29,000
Speaker 2: he's awful. But if you actually look at the stats,

1359
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 2: look at the film, Like if you take his eleven

1360
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 2: starts in Cleveland and stretch him out to seventeen games,

1361
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 2: he would have thrown for like four thousand yards in

1362
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 2: like twenty five touchdowns in Cleveland in twenty twenty two.

1363
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 1: So okay, hey guy, so we're doing that because then

1364
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 1: I tried to do this with Kendrick Born a year ago.

1365
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:46,800
Speaker 2: I got yelled at by you. That's probably fair, all right.

1366
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:49,600
Speaker 1: I'm just I don't mind you doing it, but now

1367
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 1: it supports my argum. Now it sports your argument, now mine, Okay,

1368
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:52,400
Speaker 1: I understand.

1369
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:57,600
Speaker 2: But he's not He's not terrible. Your guy Felger likes

1370
01:05:57,640 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 2: to say that he's terrible.

1371
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 1: Hooper Sett Yes, eg like all geeked up on Jacoby

1372
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 1: ver Set right now.

1373
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 2: No he no, he is. No, I was just not

1374
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:06,479
Speaker 2: with them. No, I was just not with them. Fop

1375
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 2: like that. I will not allow for this. I will

1376
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:10,960
Speaker 2: for this. He's all. He's because his whole thing is

1377
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:13,080
Speaker 2: he wants them to win as many games. Yeriars. Possibly

1378
01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:14,920
Speaker 2: he was the one that wanted them to get justin

1379
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 2: Fields or Russell Wilson. I heard him.

1380
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 1: Well, so now his thing is his thing that like,

1381
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 1: all right, if Jakob sec can win you games, great,

1382
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 1: I get all right.

1383
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:26,280
Speaker 2: He didn't think kover Set could win them games. He thought,

1384
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 2: he told He said as as early as like earlier

1385
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 2: this week when I was driving home and I was

1386
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 2: listening to them, and I do listen, so I'm not

1387
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:35,720
Speaker 2: trying to like pick on them. But he said earlier

1388
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:38,880
Speaker 2: this week that you know, his top tier was you know,

1389
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:41,440
Speaker 2: the Kirk Cousins and stuff like he he said that

1390
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 2: he wanted to be the Atlanta Falcons, he would have

1391
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:47,960
Speaker 2: signed Kirk Cousins and drafted it Drake May still, Yeah,

1392
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:50,040
Speaker 2: and then sat Drake May for a couple of years

1393
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:50,880
Speaker 2: behind Kirk Well.

1394
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:53,120
Speaker 1: So he I think what he likes now is again

1395
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 1: it was just on with them. Yeah, this all like

1396
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 1: not the pressures off Drake May. I don't want to

1397
01:06:58,480 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 1: put words his mouth. I'm trying to remember exactly what

1398
01:06:59,880 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 1: he's but basically like, Jacoby Brissette is going to give

1399
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 1: you a football season. Yes, and maybe they don't make

1400
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:08,320
Speaker 1: the playoffs, but he likes the idea of Jacoby Brissett

1401
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 1: holds down the fort as long as he needs to

1402
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:14,720
Speaker 1: hold down the fort because he's not as he's not

1403
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:17,160
Speaker 1: as into Drake May. He just doesn't like rookie quarterbacks.

1404
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:18,400
Speaker 1: It's not something he believes him.

1405
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, he fully believed.

1406
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 1: He's a Packers fan. Shocker if he needs to sit

1407
01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:25,000
Speaker 1: a year or two years, seventeen years later, right, he's

1408
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 1: all in on that model. So I think the idea

1409
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 1: that Jacoby Brissette can give you something for a year

1410
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:34,200
Speaker 1: and the team can still be competitive. Maybe they don't

1411
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:36,000
Speaker 1: make the playoffs, but the team can still be competitive.

1412
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:38,480
Speaker 1: He's in right, He's in on that, so he's he's

1413
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:39,880
Speaker 1: come around on Jacoby Pressette.

1414
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:41,520
Speaker 2: Well, I actually think the way you laid it out

1415
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:44,000
Speaker 2: is exactly how I feel right now about Jacoby Brissett.

1416
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:45,800
Speaker 2: Do I do not think that if they have to

1417
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 2: play Jacoby Brissett that they are going to be a

1418
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:51,280
Speaker 2: bore to watch on offense?

1419
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 1: Right?

1420
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 2: Do I think that they are going to win a

1421
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 2: bunch of games? Probably not, But they aren't going to

1422
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 2: be like they weren't last year. It's not going to

1423
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:00,200
Speaker 2: be You're not going to come away from it and

1424
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 2: be like, what the hell did I just watch?

1425
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 1: Like? They're not going to reinvent ways to struggle offensively,

1426
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:06,600
Speaker 1: They're not gonna do that time.

1427
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 2: It's gonna look representative.

1428
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:11,919
Speaker 1: It's gonna look they're not gonna set They're not coming

1429
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:15,160
Speaker 1: for the seven Patriots records, but you're gonna be able

1430
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:16,920
Speaker 1: to watch it. And I think sneaky big thing about

1431
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 1: Jacoby Brissett. Actually didn't put either of these guys in

1432
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:21,280
Speaker 1: my ups because I just I was trying to put

1433
01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:26,800
Speaker 1: it together. But representative he's given jayvon Baker, Jalen Polk

1434
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:28,400
Speaker 1: and I'll even throw to Mario Douglas in here, but

1435
01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:31,439
Speaker 1: really the rookies because Douglas has been limited, those guys

1436
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:33,400
Speaker 1: have had a chance to really develop and really make

1437
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:36,840
Speaker 1: plays while Drake May goes through his growing pains and

1438
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:40,120
Speaker 1: they're not. I think this has been part of the

1439
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:43,760
Speaker 1: issue with the wide receiver development. Here post Brady, you're

1440
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 1: getting representative quarterback play, and it's allowing those guys to

1441
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:49,200
Speaker 1: do what they need to do without being maybe handcuffed

1442
01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 1: by developmental plight the quarterback position. And the two biggest

1443
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:56,040
Speaker 1: winners I would say of Jacoby Brissett's kind of surprise

1444
01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 1: start to camp are Baker and Polk because they were

1445
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:00,200
Speaker 1: able to rep with the root ones and they're able

1446
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:01,120
Speaker 1: to get quality reps.

1447
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:04,360
Speaker 2: So speaking of them, yeah, all right, you had them.

1448
01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:06,760
Speaker 1: Good. My next two or on defense, so I had

1449
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 1: one on defense too, all right, it's probably the same guy.

1450
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:13,799
Speaker 1: I don't think it is actually right. I had Jayvon

1451
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:15,000
Speaker 1: Baker and Jalen Polk together.

1452
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:18,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair rookie receivers. They're both rookie receivers. Again,

1453
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:21,240
Speaker 2: that's how I do it have been exactly in the

1454
01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:22,880
Speaker 2: last couple of days and the reason why I'm like

1455
01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:26,960
Speaker 2: kind of trepid like dancing around is because I don't

1456
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:29,120
Speaker 2: think Javon Baker has made as many plays the last

1457
01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:30,960
Speaker 2: couple of days. He got off to a slower.

1458
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:32,439
Speaker 1: Start too, and I think some of that was the

1459
01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:33,360
Speaker 1: injury he had in the spring.

1460
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:36,280
Speaker 2: But all this stuff that we're seeing from those two

1461
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:39,760
Speaker 2: guys are exactly as advertised as what I thought they

1462
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:42,000
Speaker 2: would beat in the draft. Javon Baker is going to

1463
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:44,439
Speaker 2: be your splash play guy. It's not going to be consistent,

1464
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:48,280
Speaker 2: but you know, whether it's Dave Davis, yeah, that was

1465
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 2: my comp there's a little bit more above the rim

1466
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 2: than Gabe Davis. I think that I didn't notice as

1467
01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:57,680
Speaker 2: much as absolutely. Yeah, Gabe Davis's I still feel like

1468
01:09:57,880 --> 01:09:59,559
Speaker 2: is just kind of run under it speed guy.

1469
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:02,040
Speaker 1: But I think when you look at what you're projecting

1470
01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:05,240
Speaker 1: for production, yeah, Javon Baker is like a three catch,

1471
01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 1: eighty yards win touchdown guy. And there'll be like four

1472
01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:10,160
Speaker 1: or five games where he maybe goes like a buck

1473
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:13,320
Speaker 1: fifty and like four or five games where he gets blanked.

1474
01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:17,920
Speaker 2: Yes, right, couldn't agree more. And that's exactly how they practice, right,

1475
01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:20,479
Speaker 2: Javon Baker is gonna have like the play that he

1476
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:23,000
Speaker 2: made earlier this week, he's gonna have a catch like

1477
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:25,160
Speaker 2: that that's gonna make your jaw drop and you're gonna say,

1478
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:27,880
Speaker 2: holy crap, this guy's so talented. But the guy that's

1479
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:30,519
Speaker 2: really gonna be the engine of the offense is gonna

1480
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:34,840
Speaker 2: be Jalen Polk, and he Jalen Polk to me has

1481
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:37,800
Speaker 2: me really excited because the one thing that I wanted

1482
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:40,760
Speaker 2: to see out of Jalen Polk was was he one

1483
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:44,240
Speaker 2: of these craftsmen that the forty time just isn't gonna matter,

1484
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 2: Like we can just throw the forty time out because

1485
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:49,280
Speaker 2: he's a he's smooth, he's fluid, he's great at the

1486
01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:52,519
Speaker 2: top of the row, he's got great hands, physical, and

1487
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:55,120
Speaker 2: I'm getting those types of vibes from him so far.

1488
01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:58,000
Speaker 2: It goes against a lot of my beliefs at the

1489
01:10:58,040 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 2: wide receiver position, because you know, I'm a separate guy,

1490
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:04,160
Speaker 2: like everything to me is separation. But I look at

1491
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:07,800
Speaker 2: Jalen Polk as a guy that truly could catch a

1492
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:12,320
Speaker 2: high volume of targets in this offense and could play

1493
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:15,560
Speaker 2: on all situations because he's got the size to be

1494
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:17,679
Speaker 2: able to block and throw his weight around a little

1495
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:20,200
Speaker 2: bit too in the run game, So I don't think

1496
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:21,719
Speaker 2: he necessarily needs to come off the field.

1497
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:24,840
Speaker 1: I think it's important because I've seen people say, why

1498
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:26,599
Speaker 1: are you saying Jalen Polk has had this great camp

1499
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:28,400
Speaker 1: when he hasn't had any big plays and he had

1500
01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:29,840
Speaker 1: the one early on that's it.

1501
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:32,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he had the one in seven's the other right, So.

1502
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 1: Well, elevens is what really counts. But and I think

1503
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:37,920
Speaker 1: I texted you about this. You gotta look at them

1504
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:40,800
Speaker 1: in this dynamic. Jalon Baker is your big play threat. Yep,

1505
01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:43,560
Speaker 1: He's not going to be a consistent player, but he

1506
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:46,200
Speaker 1: is the guy you're going over the top. Jalen Polk

1507
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:48,960
Speaker 1: is the exact opposite. Jalen Polk is chain mover. Yeah,

1508
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:51,599
Speaker 1: Jalen Polk is here to go eight to twelve yards

1509
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:53,880
Speaker 1: in the line of scrimmage, find an opening in the defense,

1510
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:56,080
Speaker 1: sit down, catch the football, move the James. Yeah, and

1511
01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:59,240
Speaker 1: that mus it's not gonna be flashy and he might not,

1512
01:11:59,439 --> 01:12:02,160
Speaker 1: you know, remember because again the comp before the draft

1513
01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:03,559
Speaker 1: with Jakobe Myers looks.

1514
01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 2: It's the same role.

1515
01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:08,320
Speaker 1: He is a spinning edge of Jacob Myers went what

1516
01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:11,160
Speaker 1: three years before his first NFL touchdown something like that. Like,

1517
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:13,719
Speaker 1: I would not be surprised if Jalen Polk is similar.

1518
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:16,600
Speaker 1: But he's gonna be the guy third and gotta have it.

1519
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:20,559
Speaker 1: He is going to find a spot. Just pass the six,

1520
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 1: get open, catch the ball, fall down like that. In there,

1521
01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:27,200
Speaker 1: it's it's an important role. Now it's diminished. And part

1522
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:30,080
Speaker 1: of the reason the offense ind pop with Jacoby Myers

1523
01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:34,479
Speaker 1: here is that role gets a lot sexier when you

1524
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:36,920
Speaker 1: have somebody out there opposite who's a threat to make

1525
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:39,720
Speaker 1: the big play. And Jacoby Myers never really played with

1526
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:42,920
Speaker 1: that guy. He is now in Vegas with DeVante Adams.

1527
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:46,760
Speaker 1: But you hope either Baker's that guy, or you add

1528
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:49,400
Speaker 1: that guy next year or whatever, we'll get to one

1529
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:51,519
Speaker 1: other guy that maybe gives them a stop gap there.

1530
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:54,640
Speaker 1: But I'm not gonna go that far yet. But like,

1531
01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:58,439
Speaker 1: when you look at Polk in that context, he's had

1532
01:12:58,479 --> 01:13:02,040
Speaker 1: a great camp. If you're affecting him to be, you know,

1533
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:06,080
Speaker 1: seven eight touchdown guy, a fifteen yards per reception guy, like,

1534
01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:09,000
Speaker 1: he's not gonna be that, but that's not who he

1535
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:10,479
Speaker 1: is that somebody was drafted to be.

1536
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:14,200
Speaker 2: So my question with Jalen Polk, my one question because

1537
01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:19,639
Speaker 2: I've been impressed. He runs great routes. He gets open enough.

1538
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:21,600
Speaker 2: You know, he's not a big time separator, but he

1539
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:24,800
Speaker 2: gets open enough right, and he's got good The hands

1540
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:30,160
Speaker 2: are as advertised, really good hands and just really incredibly

1541
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:33,160
Speaker 2: fluid and smooth at the top of the route. Here

1542
01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:35,760
Speaker 2: in a route on Marcella's dial today on the goal line,

1543
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:39,560
Speaker 2: and it's just it's so silky, yeah, you know, and

1544
01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:43,160
Speaker 2: there's no wasted movement, and he has nice burst off

1545
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:46,240
Speaker 2: the line and into the route. Really just Jacoby Myers

1546
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:48,640
Speaker 2: like through and through. It looks so much. Now my

1547
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:53,240
Speaker 2: question with him, yeah, is okay, So his average target

1548
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:55,320
Speaker 2: depth stay with the nerds with me for a second.

1549
01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:58,360
Speaker 1: I'll give you a dot that is a tangible number.

1550
01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:00,600
Speaker 1: His average target depth is gonna be about nine or

1551
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:04,200
Speaker 1: ten yards something like that. So can he turn nine

1552
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:07,960
Speaker 1: and ten yard a dots into thirteen fourteen yards per

1553
01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 1: catch or is he gonna be nine and ten a

1554
01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:13,040
Speaker 1: dots and ten yards per catch? Because that's gonna be

1555
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:16,080
Speaker 1: the difference between him being seventy for seven hundred and

1556
01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:18,280
Speaker 1: seventy for one thousand. So what I think is gonna

1557
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:20,680
Speaker 1: help him, And so this year I think he's more

1558
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:25,360
Speaker 1: that ten you know, nine a dot ten yards per catch. Guy. Yeah,

1559
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:29,639
Speaker 1: but ideally, and again we're putting on our ideal hats here. Yes,

1560
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:33,080
Speaker 1: if Drake May pans out, yeah, teams are gonna have

1561
01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:35,400
Speaker 1: to pay play a ton of zone against Drake May

1562
01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:38,280
Speaker 1: because you can't have defenders turning their eyes away from

1563
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:41,080
Speaker 1: him when he's a threat to run. Sure, when Polk

1564
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:44,920
Speaker 1: sees zone, he's able to find space where he can

1565
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:47,479
Speaker 1: catch the ball nine yards downfield but has room to

1566
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:50,040
Speaker 1: run and set himself up with room to run. If

1567
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:52,080
Speaker 1: Drake May can get to the level where teams are

1568
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:54,360
Speaker 1: forced into zone against the Patriots, or at least like

1569
01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:57,720
Speaker 1: defenders keeping their eyes on the quarterback, yeah, it's going

1570
01:14:57,800 --> 01:14:59,599
Speaker 1: to unlock another level for Jalen Polk.

1571
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:01,920
Speaker 2: He's he's been if that makes sense. I don't know

1572
01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:03,640
Speaker 2: if I explained that right. Yeah, he's been good, and

1573
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:07,040
Speaker 2: I think that there's a lot of reasons to be excited.

1574
01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:10,280
Speaker 2: And I just for the record, I did not think

1575
01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:13,160
Speaker 2: that Nikhil Harry and Taekwon Thornton looked like this in

1576
01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:16,360
Speaker 2: their rookie camps. I think they both had flashes like

1577
01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 2: maybe if you wanted to put them more in the

1578
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:22,000
Speaker 2: Baker school. I think they both had flashes as rookies,

1579
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:25,160
Speaker 2: you know, before their injuries. Obviously, I'll say that too,

1580
01:15:25,240 --> 01:15:26,519
Speaker 2: And that's where we need to be careful here.

1581
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:29,840
Speaker 1: I I always said, I think because players don't just

1582
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:32,599
Speaker 1: like suck, players don't forget how to play football. There's

1583
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:37,360
Speaker 1: usually a reason behind why players careers get derailed. Harry

1584
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:40,200
Speaker 1: and Thornton both got hurt in their first camp and

1585
01:15:40,280 --> 01:15:43,320
Speaker 1: they lost development time, and especially in the system the

1586
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:46,360
Speaker 1: Patriots were using at the time, there was just significant

1587
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:48,479
Speaker 1: catch up that they didn't have time to do. So

1588
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:54,200
Speaker 1: so Polk stays healthy, but I think he's well.

1589
01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:55,880
Speaker 2: Harry was a big guy. I don't know what that was.

1590
01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:57,840
Speaker 2: Just he hurt himself and they put him back in.

1591
01:15:58,120 --> 01:16:01,040
Speaker 2: That was a whole other thing. Thorn Like was always

1592
01:16:01,080 --> 01:16:01,800
Speaker 2: a threat to get hurt.

1593
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:05,320
Speaker 1: Polk's built more to maintain at the NFL level.

1594
01:16:05,439 --> 01:16:08,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, all right, who else he got? What was

1595
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:09,240
Speaker 2: your second?

1596
01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:09,320
Speaker 4: Oh?

1597
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:12,000
Speaker 2: No, your second was the Rokie receivers. Yes, Marx Jones.

1598
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:17,280
Speaker 1: I think Marcus, just so there's two guys I think

1599
01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:20,880
Speaker 1: you could argue have been the best most consistent defensive players.

1600
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:21,000
Speaker 2: In this camp.

1601
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:24,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, Marcus Jones is one of them. He has been

1602
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:28,840
Speaker 1: just excellent coverage. He's constantly on the receiver. He's done

1603
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:30,519
Speaker 1: it from different spots. He's done it from the slot,

1604
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:32,360
Speaker 1: he's done it from the boundary. He's done playing safety

1605
01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:34,720
Speaker 1: a little bit. He's had some really He's had a

1606
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:37,519
Speaker 1: pass break up, like a physical pass breakup against Jalen

1607
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:39,639
Speaker 1: Polk who's much bigger than him. He had a physical

1608
01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:41,960
Speaker 1: pass break up against Jujus Smith Schuster today, who is

1609
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:43,920
Speaker 1: bigger than him. We can talk about where Juju's at,

1610
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:47,080
Speaker 1: but he is strong, like upper body. Juju is strong,

1611
01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:51,240
Speaker 1: and Jones punched the ball out big development. If he's

1612
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:53,840
Speaker 1: still going to give you that inside outside versatility.

1613
01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:55,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's starting Nickel right now. And I don't think

1614
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:58,200
Speaker 2: it's close. You know, I think, what is he there?

1615
01:16:58,240 --> 01:16:59,920
Speaker 1: Starting nick Or is he a guy that they're gonna

1616
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:01,600
Speaker 1: up on the boundary. No, I think it's starting to

1617
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:03,880
Speaker 1: like you can wrap on the boundary if you need

1618
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:06,560
Speaker 1: him to. Yeah, I think he probably could. But I

1619
01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:11,599
Speaker 1: Gonzo John Jones, Marcus Jones is your top three right now.

1620
01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:15,920
Speaker 1: And it to me, it's gonna be hard for somebody

1621
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:18,160
Speaker 1: to make a push like an alxaucetin in ourn isable. Well,

1622
01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:21,439
Speaker 1: I'm just saying if there's injury or whatever, and yeah,

1623
01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:24,759
Speaker 1: he gives you that at least where where John Jones

1624
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:27,240
Speaker 1: and Marcus Jones physically actually line up.

1625
01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:30,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, might morph week to week, game to game, drive

1626
01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:35,200
Speaker 2: to drive, whatever, but those three guys are pretty entrenched,

1627
01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:38,000
Speaker 2: I would say right now. Uh, and where they're gonna

1628
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:40,280
Speaker 2: play in terms of playing time like that, those are

1629
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:42,519
Speaker 2: gonna be the top three guys. The other thing, and

1630
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:44,240
Speaker 2: we haven't seen a ton of it, and we haven't

1631
01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:47,320
Speaker 2: seen it truly live live yet. He is going to

1632
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:49,719
Speaker 2: be a monster on kickoff returns.

1633
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:52,880
Speaker 1: And I still wonder if they're gonna put him back

1634
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:57,519
Speaker 1: there on kickoff return, why wouldn't they injury if he's

1635
01:17:57,600 --> 01:17:59,840
Speaker 1: playing this, Well, it's a corner they have other kick

1636
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:00,320
Speaker 1: turn off.

1637
01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:02,519
Speaker 2: Oh that's a bummer though, because this is.

1638
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:05,000
Speaker 1: Maybe he becomes a guy where it's like he's not

1639
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:07,120
Speaker 1: go return every kickoff. But when you get to a

1640
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:08,920
Speaker 1: big point in gate it, I mean, he's got to

1641
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:10,840
Speaker 1: be the primary punt returner. And that's the other thing.

1642
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:12,599
Speaker 1: He's going to be the primary punt returner. And it's

1643
01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:16,120
Speaker 1: just they I feel like a big difference between the

1644
01:18:16,160 --> 01:18:18,400
Speaker 1: old just and there's no inside information here, it's just

1645
01:18:18,439 --> 01:18:21,000
Speaker 1: hearing the way people talk. Yeah, I feel like the

1646
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:24,000
Speaker 1: current coaching staff maybe thinks he was overworked in the

1647
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 1: past between offense.

1648
01:18:26,040 --> 01:18:30,160
Speaker 2: Multiple positions, Well, it's multiple positions on defense. Yeah, kick returns,

1649
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:31,559
Speaker 2: punt returns, and offense.

1650
01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:34,840
Speaker 1: And if they just let's let's have him be great

1651
01:18:35,439 --> 01:18:38,439
Speaker 1: at three things rather than have him be just above

1652
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:40,920
Speaker 1: average at five things. I wonder if there's kind of

1653
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:44,080
Speaker 1: and we'll see what happens with guys like Jalen Rager

1654
01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:46,120
Speaker 1: and guys like Jahem Bell and things like that. But

1655
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:49,000
Speaker 1: I do wonder if there's an element of we have

1656
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:51,880
Speaker 1: other guys that can return kicks. It doesn't need to

1657
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:52,559
Speaker 1: be on his plate.

1658
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:54,280
Speaker 2: Let's not put it on his plate. So I think

1659
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:58,800
Speaker 2: it's fair to say that what you said about it's

1660
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:01,479
Speaker 2: the fourth quarter, you're a touchdown and you need a

1661
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:05,479
Speaker 2: field flipping return. You know, maybe you have Marcus Jones

1662
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:07,800
Speaker 2: back there for that, but maybe he's not back there

1663
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:10,760
Speaker 2: every single time. But I also feel like we might

1664
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:13,759
Speaker 2: get into the season and it might be touchback city anyways.

1665
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:16,400
Speaker 1: That too, I think teams are gonna be petrified, So

1666
01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:19,799
Speaker 1: I didn't realize seeing it in person. I didn't realize

1667
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 1: how far in front of the returner the setup lines

1668
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:26,639
Speaker 1: are because that part's different than the old XFL. There's

1669
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:28,840
Speaker 1: so much room to set things up, like, that's what

1670
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:30,560
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I think teams are gonna be scared of this.

1671
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:34,160
Speaker 2: That's why I feel like Marcus Jones would just be dynamite.

1672
01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:35,920
Speaker 2: I also want there's so much space.

1673
01:19:36,360 --> 01:19:40,120
Speaker 1: I also wonder, because Girodmeo kind of let it slip

1674
01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:42,000
Speaker 1: the other day that the league is still tinkering with

1675
01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:47,320
Speaker 1: and finalizing the rules, the touchback being at the thirty

1676
01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:48,320
Speaker 1: is not going to be enough.

1677
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:49,840
Speaker 2: It might have to go up to the thirty five,

1678
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:51,160
Speaker 2: forty forty.

1679
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:53,800
Speaker 1: I wonder if the league steps in because they want

1680
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:56,200
Speaker 1: this to be a play. They want a kickoff, they

1681
01:19:56,240 --> 01:19:57,120
Speaker 1: want an exciting plays.

1682
01:19:57,160 --> 01:19:59,840
Speaker 2: They're calling it the Dynamic kickoff, and look it is

1683
01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:03,080
Speaker 2: it's a league wide initiative to hype up this thing. Okay,

1684
01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:03,919
Speaker 2: this is important.

1685
01:20:04,360 --> 01:20:06,360
Speaker 1: Well let me say this is we're on a sort

1686
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:09,920
Speaker 1: of league airwaves here, Like, yeah, when it's played out,

1687
01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:11,760
Speaker 1: it is a very exciting play.

1688
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:18,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just don't think the where disincentive is there?

1689
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:21,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hear what you're saying, right, Like, I think

1690
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:22,920
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot of teams that kind of

1691
01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:25,959
Speaker 1: start working on this thing and think there's so much opportunity.

1692
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:28,200
Speaker 1: They're gonna see how the potent, how potentially exciting is

1693
01:20:28,240 --> 01:20:30,680
Speaker 1: for the return team and say this isn't worth it.

1694
01:20:31,160 --> 01:20:33,280
Speaker 1: We'll we'll give up the extra five yards and start

1695
01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:35,160
Speaker 1: at the thirty. And I wonder if the team sees

1696
01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:37,040
Speaker 1: that in the preseason, because I think they're doing this

1697
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:38,680
Speaker 1: by the seat of their pants. They won't change it

1698
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:40,920
Speaker 1: during the regular season. I wonder if they see it

1699
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:44,840
Speaker 1: during the preseason and say, nope, touchbacks now the forty. Yeah,

1700
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:47,720
Speaker 1: figure that out. And if not this year, I think

1701
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:49,680
Speaker 1: next year for sure. If teams are using this as

1702
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:52,400
Speaker 1: for or just kicking touchbacks, I think next year we

1703
01:20:52,439 --> 01:20:55,439
Speaker 1: see the touchback line moving to the thirty five or

1704
01:20:55,479 --> 01:20:58,960
Speaker 1: the forty and really incentivizing teams to kick this off

1705
01:20:59,000 --> 01:20:59,759
Speaker 1: and have a play.

1706
01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:02,560
Speaker 2: Offensive line of the recouiver receivers and Marcus Jones, you

1707
01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:03,120
Speaker 2: have one more?

1708
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:07,640
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, ke On White, Yeah, so go ahead, yeah, no,

1709
01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:10,120
Speaker 1: just he's been excellent on the edge, like he was

1710
01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:11,960
Speaker 1: hyped up in the springs. Rod Meo said he's been

1711
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:14,840
Speaker 1: improved and talk about the year two jump and especially

1712
01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:17,120
Speaker 1: against the run. I mean, he's been a monster. He's

1713
01:21:17,160 --> 01:21:20,040
Speaker 1: been a problem, and he's been getting into the backfield regularly.

1714
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:21,720
Speaker 1: And this is a guy they really need to take

1715
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:25,320
Speaker 1: that next jump, and he's early indications are he's doing

1716
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:28,320
Speaker 1: it like he he of all the young players, all

1717
01:21:28,360 --> 01:21:30,600
Speaker 1: the players on rookie contracts called the last you know,

1718
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:33,080
Speaker 1: twenty two to twenty three, it would be twenty. There's

1719
01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:35,240
Speaker 1: nobody left from twenty one. There's a couple, but caught

1720
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:37,559
Speaker 1: like the twenty one twenty twenty three draft classes. Right.

1721
01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:40,760
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody's taken as big of a jump

1722
01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:43,639
Speaker 1: as Keon White. I don't think anybody's close to taking

1723
01:21:43,680 --> 01:21:45,799
Speaker 1: as big of a jump as ke On White looks.

1724
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:48,559
Speaker 2: Like he's taking. So I think he's made some plays

1725
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:53,080
Speaker 2: against the run. Yeah, I I don't necessarily see the

1726
01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:56,040
Speaker 2: breakout camp that some of the other guys down here

1727
01:21:56,080 --> 01:22:01,040
Speaker 2: have seen. And I'm not saying that they're or you're wrong. Yeah,

1728
01:22:01,160 --> 01:22:04,000
Speaker 2: I just haven't necessarily seen it that way one hundred percent.

1729
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:07,479
Speaker 2: But the biggest reason why to me that I haven't

1730
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:10,559
Speaker 2: is because I still don't necessarily see like the twitched

1731
01:22:10,640 --> 01:22:14,040
Speaker 2: up one on one pass rusher, if he's schemed into

1732
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:16,559
Speaker 2: the pass rush, like if they're running stunts and picks

1733
01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:18,200
Speaker 2: and stuff like that for him and he just has

1734
01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:20,840
Speaker 2: a straight line to the quarterback and he can just

1735
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:24,120
Speaker 2: kind of, you know, be a linear athlete in that respect,

1736
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:27,160
Speaker 2: or if he wants to just use straight power. I

1737
01:22:27,240 --> 01:22:30,040
Speaker 2: think those things are there. He's still to me a

1738
01:22:31,240 --> 01:22:34,479
Speaker 2: a developing player in terms of his pass rush. Now,

1739
01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:38,599
Speaker 2: maybe Covington and Joe Kim and you know, the new

1740
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:41,240
Speaker 2: defensive line coach on plagging on, maybe maybe they get

1741
01:22:41,479 --> 01:22:46,080
Speaker 2: him there. That's eventually. I'm hopeful because he's definitely a

1742
01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:48,479
Speaker 2: wrecking ball, Like there's no doubt about that. Like he's

1743
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:51,439
Speaker 2: a wrecking ball against the run, and he's a splash player,

1744
01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:55,400
Speaker 2: uh in that respect. But I I when you watch

1745
01:22:55,479 --> 01:22:57,479
Speaker 2: them and do one on ones and stuff like that too,

1746
01:22:57,960 --> 01:22:59,560
Speaker 2: he still just looks a little bit stiff to me.

1747
01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:02,479
Speaker 1: So I don't think he's ever gonna be that twitched

1748
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:06,920
Speaker 1: up quick pass rush. Yeah, he's gonna be, and we

1749
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:10,000
Speaker 1: saw it last year. Like he's athletic, Yeah, he's a

1750
01:23:10,160 --> 01:23:13,280
Speaker 1: bull rusher. I think his best way to win, he's

1751
01:23:13,479 --> 01:23:15,760
Speaker 1: he needs a counter. He needs a counter, but I

1752
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:18,840
Speaker 1: think his best way to win his initial punch is

1753
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:21,800
Speaker 1: so strong, yea, get the lineman off balance, and then

1754
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:24,640
Speaker 1: when that guy's off balance, he can run around him.

1755
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:28,160
Speaker 1: Like he does need a counter to that. But we

1756
01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:30,599
Speaker 1: talked about this last year. That initial punch from him

1757
01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:33,280
Speaker 1: is yeah, I mean it can knock a guy out

1758
01:23:33,320 --> 01:23:36,920
Speaker 1: for not knockout, but like you can essentially render and right,

1759
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:39,200
Speaker 1: you can stun alignment for a play. And this is

1760
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:41,200
Speaker 1: I remember him doing against the Eagles last year, where

1761
01:23:41,240 --> 01:23:44,080
Speaker 1: he would hit that punch, the lineman would get off balance,

1762
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:46,320
Speaker 1: he'd get in the backfield. Jalen Hurts ran out and

1763
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:48,439
Speaker 1: this happened like three or four times, and Keon White's

1764
01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:50,080
Speaker 1: running steph for a step with him as he runs

1765
01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:51,320
Speaker 1: out and never let him get the edge.

1766
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:54,519
Speaker 2: Like he's definitely an athletic line in a very good

1767
01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:59,479
Speaker 2: linear right. He's powerful and he's athletic. He's just not quick,

1768
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:03,360
Speaker 2: He's not he's not overly bendy and so normally like

1769
01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:06,080
Speaker 2: guys that can really rack up sacks and pressures like

1770
01:24:06,160 --> 01:24:09,240
Speaker 2: a Judean j when you know he's rolling, those guys

1771
01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:11,840
Speaker 2: obviously have great first steps, but they're also very bendy.

1772
01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:14,800
Speaker 1: So I'm trying to think here, who's like the who's

1773
01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:17,559
Speaker 1: a pass rusher that wins, like mainly just by being

1774
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:20,000
Speaker 1: stronger and more physically dominant on the.

1775
01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:22,559
Speaker 2: I would say this guy in the middle. The closest

1776
01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:24,640
Speaker 2: thing I would say is probably like Rashaun Gary in

1777
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:27,360
Speaker 2: Green Bay. Yeah, but doesn't he play on the interior. No,

1778
01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:33,000
Speaker 2: he's pure Oh don't I'm thinking of continue. Yeah, He's

1779
01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:36,760
Speaker 2: probably the closest thing that I can think of that's

1780
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:40,000
Speaker 2: not you know, a super veteran player, a retired player,

1781
01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:41,560
Speaker 2: or anything like well, no, give me, give me a

1782
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:44,559
Speaker 2: retied play, give me some Okay. So I would say

1783
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:47,120
Speaker 2: that Rashaan Gary is the first one that comes to mind. Yeah,

1784
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:49,439
Speaker 2: I mentioned him earlier in the show, just with the

1785
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:52,120
Speaker 2: Judan stuff. Like I think Zadarius Smith is a guy

1786
01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:56,280
Speaker 2: that wins with it, like a pure power type of guy.

1787
01:24:56,880 --> 01:25:02,040
Speaker 2: Those guys always worry me because typically they can disrupt

1788
01:25:02,280 --> 01:25:05,439
Speaker 2: and they can knock a lineman off their rails, and

1789
01:25:05,479 --> 01:25:08,160
Speaker 2: they're good against the run because they're sturdy. But in

1790
01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:13,120
Speaker 2: terms of if we're talking about Keon White replacing Matthew Judonne,

1791
01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:15,639
Speaker 2: they need that player to be a finisher.

1792
01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:17,680
Speaker 1: So right, if he's gonna replace jud On, you need

1793
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:21,759
Speaker 1: more than that. But if he's gonna be your secondary, Yeah, I'm.

1794
01:25:21,640 --> 01:25:26,280
Speaker 2: Not low on No, I just personally, I think for

1795
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:29,400
Speaker 2: him to go from what he was last year, or

1796
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:31,920
Speaker 2: really just to go from like there's a difference between

1797
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:34,600
Speaker 2: being disruptive and being productive. This is ago one in

1798
01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:39,800
Speaker 2: the chat Justin Tuck possibly like we were a little young.

1799
01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:42,439
Speaker 2: For Justin Tuck, he was just me. He was just

1800
01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:43,160
Speaker 2: mean and physical.

1801
01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:46,200
Speaker 1: He just threw guys aside. There wasn't it wasn't really

1802
01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:48,840
Speaker 1: dressed up. There wasn't a ton of like, oh look

1803
01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:50,400
Speaker 1: at the footwork, Oh look at the hands.

1804
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:51,240
Speaker 2: It was just wow.

1805
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:53,439
Speaker 1: He just kind of tossed that guy. Yeah, and I

1806
01:25:53,479 --> 01:25:55,160
Speaker 1: think that's what you hope Keon White becomes.

1807
01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:56,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with.

1808
01:25:56,280 --> 01:25:58,439
Speaker 1: All that, but he I mean, that's for him to

1809
01:25:58,520 --> 01:26:00,880
Speaker 1: hit that like elite love like for what he is

1810
01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:04,799
Speaker 1: right now, he's still projecting to be a good, useful

1811
01:26:05,160 --> 01:26:09,800
Speaker 1: you know what's the word I'm looking for. No, but

1812
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:12,280
Speaker 1: like disruptive player.

1813
01:26:12,439 --> 01:26:16,080
Speaker 2: Yes, I think there's a very good chance that he

1814
01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:18,080
Speaker 2: ends up being a guy that has a lot of

1815
01:26:18,160 --> 01:26:22,360
Speaker 2: hurries and a lot of like pressure, but I don't

1816
01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:25,280
Speaker 2: know about the sacks element of it yet. And the

1817
01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:28,559
Speaker 2: sack element comes comes through finishers, right, like a rip

1818
01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:31,599
Speaker 2: move or you know, some sort of finisher that allows

1819
01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:34,479
Speaker 2: you to actually get to the quarterback and make contact

1820
01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:38,360
Speaker 2: with the quarterback. He's getting there, they need to give

1821
01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:40,760
Speaker 2: him a counter. Like he could be a long arm

1822
01:26:40,840 --> 01:26:43,560
Speaker 2: bul rush type of guy and probably just do that

1823
01:26:43,880 --> 01:26:46,920
Speaker 2: all the time and be disruptive. But if he had

1824
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:49,120
Speaker 2: some sort of a counter. Now, the counter that I

1825
01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:52,599
Speaker 2: think he'll probably get to is probably like an inside counter,

1826
01:26:52,720 --> 01:26:56,280
Speaker 2: like whether it's like a crossover or an arm over

1827
01:26:56,360 --> 01:26:59,000
Speaker 2: swim move type of inside the move. Who had that move?

1828
01:26:59,439 --> 01:27:02,840
Speaker 2: I think this was von Miller thing where like he

1829
01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:04,800
Speaker 2: faked the bull rush.

1830
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:07,240
Speaker 1: He's kind of got his arms out and the line

1831
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:09,960
Speaker 1: and like he anticipated it and then just he stopped

1832
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:11,360
Speaker 1: right before he hit him and the line was all

1833
01:27:11,439 --> 01:27:12,599
Speaker 1: off balance and then he just kind.

1834
01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:13,320
Speaker 2: Of b who was that?

1835
01:27:13,720 --> 01:27:13,760
Speaker 3: So?

1836
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:17,479
Speaker 2: So von Miller patten in the ghost rush, which is

1837
01:27:17,640 --> 01:27:20,439
Speaker 2: like you go speed to power and then instead of

1838
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:24,040
Speaker 2: actually making contact. Yeah, so the lineman embraces instead of

1839
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:26,559
Speaker 2: actually making contact, you just dip underneath.

1840
01:27:26,680 --> 01:27:29,040
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, That's what I'm thinking of because Josh Josh

1841
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:30,840
Speaker 1: Ucha was working on that at one point. Well, so

1842
01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:32,920
Speaker 1: that's called a ghost rush. Yeah, and Von Miller is

1843
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:35,799
Speaker 1: usually the guy that people give credit to for popular

1844
01:27:36,320 --> 01:27:38,559
Speaker 1: popular rising. I thought it was von Miller. I mean,

1845
01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:40,400
Speaker 1: he obviously has much more in his bay, his bag.

1846
01:27:40,479 --> 01:27:43,760
Speaker 1: He can rush any which way. But yeah, okay, let's

1847
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:46,559
Speaker 1: do down. Yeah, we're we're all up with it, all

1848
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:48,800
Speaker 1: done with ups right, Yeah, okay.

1849
01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:49,400
Speaker 2: Number one.

1850
01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:51,320
Speaker 1: You know what, actually I have an honorable mention up

1851
01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:52,960
Speaker 1: because I'm too afraid to put him on my list.

1852
01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:55,080
Speaker 2: But he's had a good camp. Oh I know, I think,

1853
01:27:55,120 --> 01:27:58,000
Speaker 2: I know. Yeah, Taekwon Thorne. Yeah, you know.

1854
01:27:58,080 --> 01:27:59,720
Speaker 1: I can't do it to my and I don't want

1855
01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:01,840
Speaker 1: to do it, but I also don't want to be unfair.

1856
01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:04,519
Speaker 1: The guy's been good, and let's give him credit. Yeah,

1857
01:28:04,720 --> 01:28:06,519
Speaker 1: he's been good, and he's been good when the pads

1858
01:28:06,560 --> 01:28:08,519
Speaker 1: are on. And the reason I'm hesitant to do it

1859
01:28:08,640 --> 01:28:10,720
Speaker 1: is because he'll come out tomorrow and land weird and

1860
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:11,400
Speaker 1: hurt himself.

1861
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:14,240
Speaker 2: But like I'm more hesitant to do it, Like that's

1862
01:28:14,320 --> 01:28:15,760
Speaker 2: definitely in play, and.

1863
01:28:16,160 --> 01:28:18,920
Speaker 1: I okay, right, let's put this qualifyer on it. Neither

1864
01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:21,880
Speaker 1: one of us are projecting anything forward. He could still

1865
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:23,160
Speaker 1: very well not make the team.

1866
01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:25,599
Speaker 2: Objectively, he's had a good game through seven days.

1867
01:28:27,000 --> 01:28:29,799
Speaker 1: He's and this is with Kendrick Born and Pop Douglas

1868
01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:33,679
Speaker 1: essentially not practicing. Yes, Taekwon Thornton's been their best veteran

1869
01:28:33,720 --> 01:28:34,240
Speaker 1: wide receiver.

1870
01:28:34,840 --> 01:28:37,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think that's a todd take. Like I

1871
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:40,000
Speaker 2: said in this, Well, there's a lot of qualifiers on that,

1872
01:28:40,200 --> 01:28:42,200
Speaker 2: but the biggest qualifier to me is just like, can

1873
01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:44,040
Speaker 2: you actually do it in an NFL regularly?

1874
01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:44,240
Speaker 1: Right?

1875
01:28:44,360 --> 01:28:45,920
Speaker 2: So that's it's one thing to do it out here.

1876
01:28:46,040 --> 01:28:48,519
Speaker 1: I'm so far Again, it was just on filgrim has it,

1877
01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:50,960
Speaker 1: don't go draft him in fantasy, to which Felger said,

1878
01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:52,559
Speaker 1: I didn't have to worry about him doing that. Yeah,

1879
01:28:52,720 --> 01:28:57,880
Speaker 1: but he Objectively, he's he's beaten Christian Zalezen one on

1880
01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:01,679
Speaker 1: ones and team, he's getting a open, he's catching the ball.

1881
01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:03,840
Speaker 1: Drops haven't really been an issue for him. I don't

1882
01:29:03,960 --> 01:29:07,560
Speaker 1: remember him having any drops. He's making contested catches like

1883
01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:10,519
Speaker 1: he's doing all the things we've kind of wanted him.

1884
01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:13,080
Speaker 1: How you're doing, Taekwon? No, but but I'm saying now

1885
01:29:13,240 --> 01:29:17,320
Speaker 1: you're doing tables have turned but I'm not because the

1886
01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:19,439
Speaker 1: difference is I'm putting all of this in the past tense.

1887
01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:21,000
Speaker 1: You're going to talk me into this again, I am

1888
01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:23,960
Speaker 1: putting all of this in the past tense. And here's

1889
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:30,439
Speaker 1: the difference. Two years of game action significantly outweigh seven

1890
01:29:30,479 --> 01:29:33,240
Speaker 1: training camp practices, no doubt, and I still know the guy.

1891
01:29:33,320 --> 01:29:35,880
Speaker 1: He's been in games and that's why he's on here

1892
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:38,920
Speaker 1: because he hasn't looked like that in these practices. He's

1893
01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:40,559
Speaker 1: got to do it in a preseason game and he's

1894
01:29:40,600 --> 01:29:43,839
Speaker 1: got to get to the season healthy because he's started

1895
01:29:43,880 --> 01:29:45,080
Speaker 1: his first two years on IR.

1896
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:48,200
Speaker 2: But he's actually says he does he have to do

1897
01:29:48,280 --> 01:29:51,040
Speaker 2: it in the preseason, like, yes, does he have to play? Yes,

1898
01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:54,439
Speaker 2: Almas wouldn't play him. No, he has to play because

1899
01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:59,000
Speaker 2: he's playing plenty of because you need to prove this

1900
01:29:59,160 --> 01:30:01,760
Speaker 2: isn't fools gold. So I think the two things I

1901
01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:04,519
Speaker 2: need to see this I hereet, I think the two

1902
01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:07,000
Speaker 2: things I'll give you. Taekwon. Yeah, let's give two Taekwon

1903
01:30:07,160 --> 01:30:09,800
Speaker 2: Number one I said back in the spring, and you

1904
01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:12,680
Speaker 2: made fun of me for doing taekwan again, there's a

1905
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:17,439
Speaker 2: very very distinct role for him in this offense. That

1906
01:30:19,400 --> 01:30:23,080
Speaker 2: is needed and that's that speed X. So they're gonna

1907
01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:25,760
Speaker 2: run a ton of two man route concepts and if

1908
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:28,080
Speaker 2: you don't have somebody that can take the top off

1909
01:30:28,120 --> 01:30:30,720
Speaker 2: the defense and make the safety stay deep, then the

1910
01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:34,840
Speaker 2: whole thing goes to crap. Like you need somebody that

1911
01:30:34,920 --> 01:30:37,479
Speaker 2: can run down the field. It's that simple. It might

1912
01:30:37,640 --> 01:30:40,439
Speaker 2: come to the point where it's just win sprints seventy

1913
01:30:40,520 --> 01:30:42,920
Speaker 2: five percent of the time. But if you get one

1914
01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:45,360
Speaker 2: on one coverage deep and you're on that deep over

1915
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:48,800
Speaker 2: that deep post route or a clear out on a vertical, like,

1916
01:30:48,920 --> 01:30:51,360
Speaker 2: you have to be able to win one on one yeah,

1917
01:30:51,439 --> 01:30:53,880
Speaker 2: and you have to be or take the safety with you.

1918
01:30:54,640 --> 01:30:58,400
Speaker 2: And there's nobody else on this team right now that

1919
01:30:59,479 --> 01:31:01,839
Speaker 2: does that like well at Taekwon.

1920
01:31:01,960 --> 01:31:04,120
Speaker 1: So here's the thing, as I say all this, I

1921
01:31:04,200 --> 01:31:05,920
Speaker 1: still don't know if I would do a roster projection

1922
01:31:06,040 --> 01:31:08,200
Speaker 1: day that I have Taekwon on the team. Yeah, because

1923
01:31:08,720 --> 01:31:11,240
Speaker 1: Javon Baker's also looked really good and he's gonna do

1924
01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:12,720
Speaker 1: that differently, but he could do that.

1925
01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:15,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. So the second thing I'd give Taekwon is that

1926
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:18,320
Speaker 2: I do feel like the seven or eight pounds of

1927
01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:21,479
Speaker 2: muscle that he's put on. I tangibly do see some

1928
01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:24,360
Speaker 2: of it. Like I feel like he's more physical. And

1929
01:31:24,680 --> 01:31:27,360
Speaker 2: I don't mean that he's like bodying people and stuff

1930
01:31:27,439 --> 01:31:30,120
Speaker 2: like that. I just mean he's like more sturdy, Like

1931
01:31:30,240 --> 01:31:32,920
Speaker 2: he doesn't look like so frail out there, and like

1932
01:31:33,040 --> 01:31:36,080
Speaker 2: people are just you know, pushing him around and bodying

1933
01:31:36,200 --> 01:31:41,559
Speaker 2: him everywhere. It feels like he's more, he's denser. Yeah,

1934
01:31:41,680 --> 01:31:42,240
Speaker 2: I just look.

1935
01:31:42,360 --> 01:31:45,360
Speaker 1: I need to see more because again, the two years

1936
01:31:45,479 --> 01:31:48,920
Speaker 1: out weigh seven practices. Yeah, but I do think you

1937
01:31:48,920 --> 01:31:50,600
Speaker 1: should give credit where credits due. He's been one of

1938
01:31:50,640 --> 01:31:51,639
Speaker 1: their better players this summer.

1939
01:31:51,680 --> 01:31:56,599
Speaker 2: Fair enough, let's get to the downs. Speaking of receivers. Yeah,

1940
01:31:57,200 --> 01:31:59,600
Speaker 2: the number one down I think for everybody. If you

1941
01:31:59,680 --> 01:32:02,120
Speaker 2: ask to any every beat writer that's been here every

1942
01:32:02,160 --> 01:32:04,240
Speaker 2: single day like you and I is Juju Smith Schuster.

1943
01:32:04,360 --> 01:32:07,280
Speaker 2: It's rough Man. It's rough to watch rough And if

1944
01:32:07,640 --> 01:32:10,759
Speaker 2: he wasn't one of these guys that made a boatload

1945
01:32:10,800 --> 01:32:12,599
Speaker 2: of money in his NFL career and as a made

1946
01:32:12,640 --> 01:32:16,599
Speaker 2: man with a ring, I would genuinely feel bad watching him.

1947
01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:19,840
Speaker 2: It looks painful sometimes watching him through these go through

1948
01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:21,760
Speaker 2: these practices. There's an argument to be made.

1949
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:21,840
Speaker 1: Door.

1950
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:24,120
Speaker 2: I saw my roster. Yeah, I do. There's an argument

1951
01:32:24,160 --> 01:32:25,120
Speaker 2: to be made that he's been there.

1952
01:32:25,200 --> 01:32:26,880
Speaker 1: I just said, like Tae Kwon's been their best and

1953
01:32:27,080 --> 01:32:29,840
Speaker 1: that comes with some qualifiers, but their best veteran receiver

1954
01:32:30,760 --> 01:32:31,840
Speaker 1: has Juju been their worst?

1955
01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:32,559
Speaker 2: Now?

1956
01:32:33,560 --> 01:32:36,960
Speaker 1: Look Jaquai Jackson, right, Kawan Baker. These guys aren't getting

1957
01:32:37,000 --> 01:32:40,400
Speaker 1: a ton of reps David Wallace, but there have been.

1958
01:32:41,439 --> 01:32:41,799
Speaker 2: JAQUAIH.

1959
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:43,639
Speaker 1: Jackson had a diving catch the second day camp.

1960
01:32:43,720 --> 01:32:46,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, Dakuai Jackson's had at least a couple of catches.

1961
01:32:46,520 --> 01:32:49,599
Speaker 1: Kawan Baker at a touchdown today, like he gets open occasionally.

1962
01:32:49,680 --> 01:32:51,599
Speaker 1: Even David Wallace had one where it was a deep

1963
01:32:51,640 --> 01:32:53,560
Speaker 1: ball from Joe Milton that he caught up to like

1964
01:32:53,760 --> 01:32:56,160
Speaker 1: it's a little overthrown and he got his wheels going

1965
01:32:56,200 --> 01:32:56,840
Speaker 1: he got up to it.

1966
01:32:57,760 --> 01:32:59,519
Speaker 2: I don't Now, those guys don't rep at times.

1967
01:32:59,600 --> 01:33:02,120
Speaker 1: So I'm not sitting here saying like they've definitively beiten

1968
01:33:02,200 --> 01:33:03,679
Speaker 1: better than Juju Smith Schuster.

1969
01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:07,000
Speaker 2: But I feel like Juju he had he did catch

1970
01:33:07,040 --> 01:33:07,599
Speaker 2: the slant from.

1971
01:33:07,520 --> 01:33:09,320
Speaker 1: Joe Milt yesterday, so shouldn't say he's that that was

1972
01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:11,920
Speaker 1: That was the one time where I was like, okay,

1973
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:14,040
Speaker 1: but it was different now as in an NFL route,

1974
01:33:14,160 --> 01:33:15,800
Speaker 1: there's not a ton of times you look at those

1975
01:33:15,800 --> 01:33:17,880
Speaker 1: other guys and say, wow, it's that bad. Maybe that's

1976
01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:22,040
Speaker 1: verse expectations, but yeah, it's drops. It's lack of separation.

1977
01:33:22,200 --> 01:33:25,920
Speaker 1: Like every time I noticed Juju, it's him. It's something

1978
01:33:25,960 --> 01:33:26,439
Speaker 1: going wrong.

1979
01:33:26,600 --> 01:33:28,559
Speaker 2: He doesn't have it left, he doesn't have it anymore,

1980
01:33:29,040 --> 01:33:31,960
Speaker 2: Like it's just gone. And that's what happens unfortunately. Like

1981
01:33:32,040 --> 01:33:35,000
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to pile on, but that's just unfortunately

1982
01:33:35,080 --> 01:33:37,840
Speaker 2: what happens with guys is that they just it just

1983
01:33:38,120 --> 01:33:40,880
Speaker 2: goes and it just doesn't come back right. And that's

1984
01:33:40,880 --> 01:33:44,240
Speaker 2: where they're at with Juju. Now, we had this conversation

1985
01:33:44,400 --> 01:33:46,320
Speaker 2: before the show started off the air. Now it's just

1986
01:33:46,360 --> 01:33:49,960
Speaker 2: about how you how do you? What's your exit strategy here?

1987
01:33:50,360 --> 01:33:53,720
Speaker 2: He's probably not gonna have any trade value, He's he

1988
01:33:53,760 --> 01:33:58,479
Speaker 2: shouldn't make the team, So what's the exit strategy? I

1989
01:33:58,520 --> 01:33:59,800
Speaker 2: think he got to eat the money.

1990
01:34:00,040 --> 01:34:02,720
Speaker 1: You gotta eat the money, and that nine dollars nine

1991
01:34:02,760 --> 01:34:06,720
Speaker 1: million dollars is best spent by opening up opportunities for

1992
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:08,759
Speaker 1: Jalen Polk and Javon Baker and Pop Douglas.

1993
01:34:08,880 --> 01:34:11,840
Speaker 2: Now, I don't know do they keep him in just

1994
01:34:11,960 --> 01:34:14,280
Speaker 2: not play them. I just feel like when we had

1995
01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:17,360
Speaker 2: this conversation earlier, Yeah, off the air, I just feel

1996
01:34:17,400 --> 01:34:22,920
Speaker 2: like he's He's a household name and a name that

1997
01:34:23,040 --> 01:34:25,240
Speaker 2: I'm sure a lot of the younger receivers in that

1998
01:34:25,360 --> 01:34:29,000
Speaker 2: room respect a Ton because of his career and his accolades.

1999
01:34:29,760 --> 01:34:32,800
Speaker 2: It's hard to keep that kind of guy around and

2000
01:34:34,280 --> 01:34:36,400
Speaker 2: A have him be a good Samaritan about it, but

2001
01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:39,320
Speaker 2: b just like have it be the dynamic in the

2002
01:34:39,400 --> 01:34:43,120
Speaker 2: room being normal. It's not all that different to me

2003
01:34:43,280 --> 01:34:45,720
Speaker 2: than Cam Newton and Mac Jones Cam Newton's or Mac

2004
01:34:45,760 --> 01:34:49,559
Speaker 2: Jones's rookie year. Like, it's just it's gonna be an

2005
01:34:49,640 --> 01:34:52,160
Speaker 2: elephant in the room for the entire season that this

2006
01:34:52,320 --> 01:34:54,760
Speaker 2: guy that's making the most money, by the way, in

2007
01:34:54,880 --> 01:34:57,800
Speaker 2: the room, that has a Super Bowl ring, that made

2008
01:34:57,880 --> 01:35:00,000
Speaker 2: Pro Bowls, like all this kind of all these acts

2009
01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:03,160
Speaker 2: leads is the odd man now that's never playing. Like

2010
01:35:03,320 --> 01:35:06,360
Speaker 2: it just doesn't feel right to me to keep him

2011
01:35:06,360 --> 01:35:09,880
Speaker 2: around for those reasons. And Yeah, that that's one that

2012
01:35:10,400 --> 01:35:12,120
Speaker 2: you gotta go to mister Craft and you gotta tell

2013
01:35:12,200 --> 01:35:13,920
Speaker 2: him that we gotta cut our losses. That's why I

2014
01:35:13,960 --> 01:35:15,000
Speaker 2: think the books closed there.

2015
01:35:15,080 --> 01:35:17,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I just say, I you know, he's mentioned

2016
01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:19,840
Speaker 1: he said yesterday he kind of tweaked his knee running

2017
01:35:19,880 --> 01:35:22,040
Speaker 1: off to the side, like he said, he tripped on

2018
01:35:22,040 --> 01:35:25,240
Speaker 1: a rock. Yeah you can, Okay, yes, exactly, he tripped

2019
01:35:25,280 --> 01:35:27,000
Speaker 1: on a rock, which I still don't really. I just

2020
01:35:27,040 --> 01:35:29,679
Speaker 1: think like physically, I just sometimes you have those injuries

2021
01:35:29,720 --> 01:35:31,040
Speaker 1: and they they stay and that's it.

2022
01:35:31,280 --> 01:35:34,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sorry. Thing, but just the way he said

2023
01:35:34,800 --> 01:35:37,360
Speaker 2: that was was pretty funny yesterday. All right, so do

2024
01:35:37,439 --> 01:35:39,800
Speaker 2: we both have juju? Yeah? All right, who's in your

2025
01:35:39,800 --> 01:35:40,920
Speaker 2: next one? Uh?

2026
01:35:41,120 --> 01:35:45,400
Speaker 1: My next one is Atonio Maffi. Yeah, So he's trying

2027
01:35:45,439 --> 01:35:48,000
Speaker 1: to make move to center. Yeah, and it's just been

2028
01:35:48,400 --> 01:35:50,799
Speaker 1: a lot of erratic snaps, a lot of ratic snaps

2029
01:35:50,840 --> 01:35:53,320
Speaker 1: and false starts, which I don't know if they're entirely

2030
01:35:53,360 --> 01:35:54,840
Speaker 1: on him, but that's usually at least a little on

2031
01:35:54,880 --> 01:35:58,120
Speaker 1: the center. Yeah, newhile Nick Leverett kind of struggled the

2032
01:35:58,160 --> 01:36:00,400
Speaker 1: first day or two at center. He's been solid since

2033
01:36:00,400 --> 01:36:02,960
Speaker 1: and he's gotten a ton of opportunities with David Andrews

2034
01:36:03,040 --> 01:36:05,880
Speaker 1: missing practice. So I think that was a sneaky battle

2035
01:36:05,920 --> 01:36:08,360
Speaker 1: that maybe we didn't realize was a battle. Now, Jake

2036
01:36:08,400 --> 01:36:11,439
Speaker 1: Andrew's also on pup, so does he come back and does.

2037
01:36:11,320 --> 01:36:13,720
Speaker 2: He mix in there? But like I feel pretty good

2038
01:36:13,720 --> 01:36:15,920
Speaker 2: about nick LeVert is the backup center right now. Yeah,

2039
01:36:16,040 --> 01:36:18,200
Speaker 2: I feel pretty good about nick Levertt as like the

2040
01:36:18,320 --> 01:36:20,400
Speaker 2: backup in tiers. Yeah, and he'll play some guard too,

2041
01:36:20,479 --> 01:36:23,240
Speaker 2: But like Leydon Rominson's going to make the roster. But

2042
01:36:23,600 --> 01:36:27,200
Speaker 2: if you had to put a guy in on game day,

2043
01:36:27,280 --> 01:36:29,400
Speaker 2: somebody goes gets hurt and you have to put somebody

2044
01:36:29,439 --> 01:36:32,000
Speaker 2: in immediately, whether it's at guard or center, I think

2045
01:36:32,080 --> 01:36:34,680
Speaker 2: nick Leverett could hold his own at either spot. Yeah. No,

2046
01:36:34,840 --> 01:36:36,439
Speaker 2: I mean like he was a good find. He was

2047
01:36:36,479 --> 01:36:38,720
Speaker 2: a good signing. I MAFI right now.

2048
01:36:38,880 --> 01:36:41,280
Speaker 1: Just he's I think they moved him to center because

2049
01:36:41,439 --> 01:36:43,600
Speaker 1: I wonder if they wondered about his ability guard and

2050
01:36:43,640 --> 01:36:45,920
Speaker 1: he's not a center, like that's been pretty clear.

2051
01:36:46,040 --> 01:36:48,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, he doesn't really necessarily, Like the further you go out,

2052
01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:51,360
Speaker 2: the more athletic you need to be. Yeah, typically, and

2053
01:36:51,840 --> 01:36:54,040
Speaker 2: his lack of foot speed and stuff like that at

2054
01:36:54,080 --> 01:36:56,320
Speaker 2: guard was getting exposed. So I can understand why they

2055
01:36:56,479 --> 01:36:59,000
Speaker 2: probably thought if he's gonna make the team, it's gonna

2056
01:36:59,000 --> 01:37:02,680
Speaker 2: be at center. He a lot of those snaps that

2057
01:37:02,760 --> 01:37:05,679
Speaker 2: he's been having. We talked earlier about the West Coast

2058
01:37:05,760 --> 01:37:08,559
Speaker 2: offense and timing and rhythm and how important those things are.

2059
01:37:08,920 --> 01:37:12,120
Speaker 2: When Drake may is like picking, like taking snaps off

2060
01:37:12,160 --> 01:37:14,439
Speaker 2: his shoelaces and stuff like that, a lot of that

2061
01:37:14,560 --> 01:37:16,479
Speaker 2: stuff gets ruined. I know people are gonna it was

2062
01:37:16,479 --> 01:37:19,200
Speaker 2: already making excuses for Drake Man. I'm just saying like that,

2063
01:37:19,479 --> 01:37:20,240
Speaker 2: that's the context.

2064
01:37:20,280 --> 01:37:21,720
Speaker 1: No, that's been part of it, and that's part of

2065
01:37:21,720 --> 01:37:24,200
Speaker 1: the context. Drake made struggles, Like the unit around him

2066
01:37:24,200 --> 01:37:26,439
Speaker 1: hasn't been great. The snaps have been have been rough

2067
01:37:26,640 --> 01:37:31,600
Speaker 1: at times. Okay, so you have Mafi Marte MoPo is

2068
01:37:32,120 --> 01:37:34,479
Speaker 1: on my downs. Can't make the club from the tub,

2069
01:37:34,560 --> 01:37:35,800
Speaker 1: can't make the club from the tub.

2070
01:37:36,520 --> 01:37:39,360
Speaker 2: I'm bummed. We we did a show last week, right

2071
01:37:39,400 --> 01:37:41,639
Speaker 2: this was last week that we talked about Marte Mopou

2072
01:37:41,720 --> 01:37:44,559
Speaker 2: in a potential role for him. I gotta got myself

2073
01:37:44,640 --> 01:37:46,920
Speaker 2: a little bit excited about what that could be. We

2074
01:37:47,040 --> 01:37:50,400
Speaker 2: mentioned earlier in the show Jonathan Jones, Marcus Jones, Christian Gonzales.

2075
01:37:50,439 --> 01:37:52,559
Speaker 2: That seems to be your top three corners right now.

2076
01:37:54,080 --> 01:37:58,439
Speaker 2: John Jones and especially Marcus Jones undersized guys, smaller guys.

2077
01:37:59,040 --> 01:38:01,280
Speaker 2: It would be great to be able to get into

2078
01:38:01,439 --> 01:38:05,160
Speaker 2: like a three nickel safety defense or a three safety

2079
01:38:05,280 --> 01:38:08,599
Speaker 2: dime or something like that where you could put somebody

2080
01:38:08,640 --> 01:38:11,160
Speaker 2: in the slot that's got some size to him, that

2081
01:38:11,600 --> 01:38:13,880
Speaker 2: is on the roster right now. The guy that could

2082
01:38:13,920 --> 01:38:17,439
Speaker 2: do that is Martemopu unless you put Jalen Hawkins in

2083
01:38:17,520 --> 01:38:19,439
Speaker 2: and move Peppers and Dugger around and things like that.

2084
01:38:20,000 --> 01:38:21,720
Speaker 2: That was his projected role, and I thought that that

2085
01:38:22,360 --> 01:38:24,400
Speaker 2: was a legitimate role that he could have on this

2086
01:38:24,560 --> 01:38:27,040
Speaker 2: team that could make an impact and he could actually

2087
01:38:27,640 --> 01:38:32,240
Speaker 2: be a useful player. He came in hurt Yep, he's

2088
01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:37,240
Speaker 2: hurt again. At some point, you have to be available

2089
01:38:37,560 --> 01:38:41,120
Speaker 2: to make a football team. It's getting dicey. And the

2090
01:38:41,200 --> 01:38:43,320
Speaker 2: one thing that I would say for him that he

2091
01:38:43,439 --> 01:38:46,840
Speaker 2: hasn't the feather in his cap right now is that

2092
01:38:46,960 --> 01:38:49,439
Speaker 2: most of the time, teams don't move on from top

2093
01:38:49,520 --> 01:38:51,880
Speaker 2: one hundred picks in year two like they usually give

2094
01:38:51,920 --> 01:38:54,519
Speaker 2: them two solid years to make a run at it

2095
01:38:54,680 --> 01:38:57,000
Speaker 2: to carve out a role on the team. So he

2096
01:38:57,120 --> 01:39:00,720
Speaker 2: might just make it as or maybe an ir guy

2097
01:39:01,200 --> 01:39:03,559
Speaker 2: and you know he's stashed for a year and gets

2098
01:39:03,640 --> 01:39:06,000
Speaker 2: healthy and all that kind of stuff. But you said

2099
01:39:06,000 --> 01:39:07,639
Speaker 2: it best you can't make the club from the dub.

2100
01:39:07,760 --> 01:39:09,760
Speaker 2: It's that simple, all right. Who else we got?

2101
01:39:10,280 --> 01:39:12,200
Speaker 1: This one kind of surprised me. Yeah, but I think

2102
01:39:12,240 --> 01:39:15,040
Speaker 1: it's time to start having this conversation. Oh Alex Austin.

2103
01:39:15,439 --> 01:39:18,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had that great spring and we got all

2104
01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:21,960
Speaker 2: excited and had a decent back end of the season

2105
01:39:22,040 --> 01:39:22,400
Speaker 2: last year.

2106
01:39:22,520 --> 01:39:24,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and like I'm not riding him off as like,

2107
01:39:25,400 --> 01:39:27,400
Speaker 1: like I'd still probably have him on a roster projection

2108
01:39:27,439 --> 01:39:30,639
Speaker 1: if I made it today, But yeah, he just didn't quite.

2109
01:39:31,880 --> 01:39:35,040
Speaker 1: He's not like he was really dominant this spring. Yeah,

2110
01:39:35,120 --> 01:39:37,960
Speaker 1: And he's been fine. He's had his moments. He's also

2111
01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:39,720
Speaker 1: gotten beat a few times. He's kind of mixed, and

2112
01:39:39,800 --> 01:39:42,519
Speaker 1: he looks like a backup rotational corner. We thought maybe

2113
01:39:42,560 --> 01:39:45,720
Speaker 1: they found another guy. Yeah, and you haven't seen that

2114
01:39:45,960 --> 01:39:46,920
Speaker 1: from him this summer, So.

2115
01:39:47,439 --> 01:39:47,800
Speaker 2: I don't know.

2116
01:39:47,920 --> 01:39:50,040
Speaker 1: Maybe it's a little harsh putting him on the downs.

2117
01:39:50,080 --> 01:39:52,080
Speaker 1: It was more just something I wanted to bring up

2118
01:39:52,240 --> 01:39:54,080
Speaker 1: and this seemed like a good time to do it. Like,

2119
01:39:54,200 --> 01:39:57,280
Speaker 1: he's not we got a little too ahead of ourselves

2120
01:39:57,320 --> 01:39:57,920
Speaker 1: with him this spring.

2121
01:39:58,160 --> 01:40:01,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's more than fair. I think both Marco Wilson

2122
01:40:01,320 --> 01:40:03,439
Speaker 2: and Isaiah Bolden have flashed a little bit more for me.

2123
01:40:03,600 --> 01:40:06,599
Speaker 2: Marcel's dial got some more time today too. Yeah, they're

2124
01:40:06,680 --> 01:40:09,920
Speaker 2: they're clearly kind of putting him un noticed. Maybe things

2125
01:40:10,479 --> 01:40:14,639
Speaker 2: again like yeah, and it just Yarrow back out there,

2126
01:40:15,120 --> 01:40:18,360
Speaker 2: Stefan Gilmore. Yeah, so I'm I'm I'm very much back

2127
01:40:18,439 --> 01:40:20,200
Speaker 2: on that. Yeah. You know, if they get to the

2128
01:40:20,280 --> 01:40:22,240
Speaker 2: end of the summer and it's not much better for

2129
01:40:23,479 --> 01:40:25,880
Speaker 2: Austin and they don't really feel great about you know,

2130
01:40:25,920 --> 01:40:30,280
Speaker 2: the rookies and the young guys, Bolden dial those players. Yeah,

2131
01:40:30,680 --> 01:40:32,719
Speaker 2: that's when that's when Elliott Wolf picks up the phone

2132
01:40:32,760 --> 01:40:33,920
Speaker 2: and calls an old friend.

2133
01:40:34,120 --> 01:40:36,320
Speaker 1: I feel like, can I give you one more player

2134
01:40:36,360 --> 01:40:37,880
Speaker 1: that's been good? And I kind of have a weird

2135
01:40:37,920 --> 01:40:41,680
Speaker 1: take about this. Yeah, I feel like as an and

2136
01:40:41,840 --> 01:40:43,920
Speaker 1: I don't know how much. They probably don't read our

2137
01:40:43,920 --> 01:40:45,120
Speaker 1: stuff a ton or at all.

2138
01:40:45,120 --> 01:40:48,000
Speaker 2: But like they read mine, they're used to.

2139
01:40:48,800 --> 01:40:52,000
Speaker 1: There used to be like around here, there's certain players

2140
01:40:52,040 --> 01:40:53,840
Speaker 1: that have a good camp that we just don't talk

2141
01:40:53,880 --> 01:40:56,200
Speaker 1: about them having a good camp because that's the expectation.

2142
01:40:56,600 --> 01:40:58,439
Speaker 1: They used to be like, like, we would never come

2143
01:40:58,479 --> 01:41:00,280
Speaker 1: in here back in the day and say you was

2144
01:41:00,320 --> 01:41:02,880
Speaker 1: having a really good camp. Julian Edelman who's on the

2145
01:41:02,960 --> 01:41:05,200
Speaker 1: ups Rob gron Count right, like, we would never do that,

2146
01:41:05,479 --> 01:41:08,000
Speaker 1: And I don't know, so those are the kind of

2147
01:41:08,040 --> 01:41:10,760
Speaker 1: guys you talk about us like core pieces. Where how

2148
01:41:10,800 --> 01:41:12,680
Speaker 1: many of those guys are here right now? I'm just

2149
01:41:12,720 --> 01:41:15,720
Speaker 1: thinking about it today. Juwan Bentley's been like really good

2150
01:41:15,880 --> 01:41:19,200
Speaker 1: in camp. He's been everywhere against the run, the defense.

2151
01:41:19,240 --> 01:41:22,200
Speaker 1: They had their first miscommunication today, but besides that, everything's

2152
01:41:22,200 --> 01:41:24,479
Speaker 1: been locked in and that's you know, him in the

2153
01:41:24,520 --> 01:41:28,080
Speaker 1: middle of it, and I'm thinking like, yeah, Juwan Bentley's

2154
01:41:28,160 --> 01:41:30,040
Speaker 1: kind of hit that level I think where he's a

2155
01:41:30,120 --> 01:41:34,080
Speaker 1: guy now that he's having a good camp really not

2156
01:41:34,200 --> 01:41:35,880
Speaker 1: worth bringing up. And I don't mean that as any

2157
01:41:35,920 --> 01:41:37,640
Speaker 1: disrespect to Juwan Bentley, and that's kind of why I

2158
01:41:37,720 --> 01:41:40,800
Speaker 1: wanted to bring this up. But it's like, you know,

2159
01:41:40,840 --> 01:41:42,400
Speaker 1: if I were to sit here and say, you know,

2160
01:41:42,479 --> 01:41:44,680
Speaker 1: he's having a good camp Juwan Bentley, you'd kind of

2161
01:41:44,720 --> 01:41:46,320
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, he's a good player.

2162
01:41:46,880 --> 01:41:49,479
Speaker 2: What's your point, right? So I said exactly.

2163
01:41:49,720 --> 01:41:51,559
Speaker 1: So it's it's I don't know how many of those

2164
01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:53,439
Speaker 1: guys do as you try to build back up, because

2165
01:41:53,439 --> 01:41:54,559
Speaker 1: there used to be a lot of those guys here,

2166
01:41:54,640 --> 01:41:57,320
Speaker 1: right We would never sit here and say Stefan Gilmore

2167
01:41:57,360 --> 01:41:59,439
Speaker 1: is having a great training camp. We might bring up

2168
01:41:59,479 --> 01:42:02,360
Speaker 1: good individual plays he made, but we would never be like, yeah,

2169
01:42:02,439 --> 01:42:04,920
Speaker 1: Gilmour trending to get like, no, he's good. Yeah, I mean,

2170
01:42:05,080 --> 01:42:07,479
Speaker 1: how many of those guys do they have here right now?

2171
01:42:07,600 --> 01:42:10,920
Speaker 1: Bentley definitely feels like one of them. Thought Christian Zalez

2172
01:42:10,960 --> 01:42:14,240
Speaker 1: would be. He hasn't been being very harsh on Christian

2173
01:42:14,360 --> 01:42:17,400
Speaker 1: Zalez felgrin mascot in my head they ask me about him. Oh,

2174
01:42:17,560 --> 01:42:19,960
Speaker 1: Remandre has had a really good camp. But again, I'm

2175
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:22,439
Speaker 1: not gonna sit here and say Ramondre and Hunter Henry,

2176
01:42:22,600 --> 01:42:24,240
Speaker 1: like I would throw those guys in there. Maybe you

2177
01:42:24,280 --> 01:42:26,720
Speaker 1: can think of a few more. But some of them

2178
01:42:26,800 --> 01:42:28,200
Speaker 1: like Judon would be that guy.

2179
01:42:28,280 --> 01:42:30,000
Speaker 2: But he yeah, I would say probably like the Safeties

2180
01:42:30,040 --> 01:42:31,400
Speaker 2: like Duggar and Pepper's that's true.

2181
01:42:31,439 --> 01:42:33,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're kind of anointed. Yeah, at this point in

2182
01:42:33,840 --> 01:42:35,720
Speaker 1: my mind, all right, last down for me.

2183
01:42:35,840 --> 01:42:38,679
Speaker 2: I'm just sticking to the theme because frankly, I don't

2184
01:42:39,040 --> 01:42:42,760
Speaker 2: think that this has been a outside of juju. I

2185
01:42:42,800 --> 01:42:45,439
Speaker 2: guess like we didn't really have great expectations for anyway. Like,

2186
01:42:45,439 --> 01:42:46,920
Speaker 2: I don't feel like anybody that I had all these

2187
01:42:47,000 --> 01:42:51,040
Speaker 2: high expectations for has been a true down. Like I

2188
01:42:51,280 --> 01:42:53,560
Speaker 2: understand some people probably are like put Drake may on

2189
01:42:53,640 --> 01:42:56,400
Speaker 2: the downs, but like he's a rookie quarterback and like

2190
01:42:56,479 --> 01:42:58,880
Speaker 2: his first couple practices, right, I'm just not ready to

2191
01:42:58,960 --> 01:43:01,560
Speaker 2: go there yet, So I'll stick to the theme of

2192
01:43:01,600 --> 01:43:06,240
Speaker 2: the like Jaqeem Bell just not being healthy as a

2193
01:43:06,320 --> 01:43:09,360
Speaker 2: seventh round pick, Like that's tough, Like you get you know,

2194
01:43:09,439 --> 01:43:11,679
Speaker 2: it's another one of those guys that if you're gonna

2195
01:43:11,720 --> 01:43:13,840
Speaker 2: have any chance to make the team, you're gonna have

2196
01:43:13,920 --> 01:43:15,560
Speaker 2: to play, and you're gonna have to play well, and

2197
01:43:15,600 --> 01:43:17,639
Speaker 2: you're gonna have to flash and all that kind of stuff.

2198
01:43:17,920 --> 01:43:20,800
Speaker 2: And you can't be hurt as a seventh round pick

2199
01:43:20,960 --> 01:43:23,640
Speaker 2: and make an NFL roster. That's not easy to do.

2200
01:43:24,280 --> 01:43:26,200
Speaker 2: And on the flip side, you know, Mitchell Wilcox has

2201
01:43:26,240 --> 01:43:29,559
Speaker 2: been involved a little bit. I think Michael Petway makes

2202
01:43:29,600 --> 01:43:32,479
Speaker 2: plays like I don't know, it's a tight end three, right,

2203
01:43:32,520 --> 01:43:36,320
Speaker 2: We're not talking about him jumping Hunter Henry on the

2204
01:43:36,360 --> 01:43:39,639
Speaker 2: depth chart or anything like that, but could they get

2205
01:43:40,600 --> 01:43:44,040
Speaker 2: Willcox Petway Like those guys maybe they only carry two

2206
01:43:44,120 --> 01:43:47,040
Speaker 2: tight ends and they just lean on the practice squad

2207
01:43:47,160 --> 01:43:49,360
Speaker 2: for some of these guys too, is probably what Bill

2208
01:43:49,400 --> 01:43:52,280
Speaker 2: would do. Honestly, you keep Henry Hooper right and then

2209
01:43:52,439 --> 01:43:55,519
Speaker 2: just dash whoever you can stash as game day, you know,

2210
01:43:55,640 --> 01:43:59,439
Speaker 2: the Matt Sokle of the world. I just you can't

2211
01:43:59,439 --> 01:44:01,320
Speaker 2: make the club the tub is though, is really the

2212
01:44:01,400 --> 01:44:03,400
Speaker 2: short way of saying all this with both him.

2213
01:44:03,600 --> 01:44:05,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't necessarily want to put like the injured guy.

2214
01:44:05,720 --> 01:44:06,320
Speaker 2: I'm with you on that.

2215
01:44:06,439 --> 01:44:08,120
Speaker 1: I didn't really want to put the injured guys on

2216
01:44:08,200 --> 01:44:10,280
Speaker 1: there just because they're you know, they're dealing. You can't

2217
01:44:10,280 --> 01:44:12,320
Speaker 1: make the club from the tub. But also, I mean

2218
01:44:12,360 --> 01:44:14,599
Speaker 1: it's football. Guys get hurt, you deal with stuff. But yeah,

2219
01:44:14,720 --> 01:44:18,559
Speaker 1: Mafi Belle, Jay Canrews I'd put on there. Like again,

2220
01:44:18,560 --> 01:44:20,800
Speaker 1: we're talking about Nick Leverett's kind of emerging and does

2221
01:44:20,840 --> 01:44:21,760
Speaker 1: he take that job.

2222
01:44:23,479 --> 01:44:25,519
Speaker 2: I'm trying. There's one other guy, who am I thinking of?

2223
01:44:25,640 --> 01:44:29,280
Speaker 2: Who's on pup or hurt or whatever? Oh well, Taki talkies,

2224
01:44:29,320 --> 01:44:30,360
Speaker 2: I'm been on pup.

2225
01:44:31,120 --> 01:44:35,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that that should have been Mapu's chance to shine. Yeah,

2226
01:44:35,280 --> 01:44:38,120
Speaker 1: you know who's made the most of that, Brandon Schooler.

2227
01:44:39,960 --> 01:44:41,800
Speaker 2: What do you mean? No, Brendon's School has played a.

2228
01:44:41,840 --> 01:44:44,360
Speaker 1: Ton of defense in this camp, and he hasn't been bad.

2229
01:44:44,840 --> 01:44:46,800
Speaker 2: I'm not saying he's gonna and.

2230
01:44:46,840 --> 01:44:48,800
Speaker 1: He shouldn't make the rosters like I'm not he he

2231
01:44:49,000 --> 01:44:51,760
Speaker 1: goldn't play some defense this year, not a lot.

2232
01:44:52,040 --> 01:44:52,800
Speaker 2: I don't think that's good.

2233
01:44:52,840 --> 01:44:55,240
Speaker 1: Gerd Mayo said it. They're getting him ready to play defense.

2234
01:44:55,439 --> 01:44:57,679
Speaker 2: They have to get him ready because I think Mayo

2235
01:44:57,800 --> 01:45:00,880
Speaker 2: looks at it and says, you know, well, first of all,

2236
01:45:00,880 --> 01:45:03,120
Speaker 2: they might go light at safety, right because they just

2237
01:45:03,160 --> 01:45:05,080
Speaker 2: paid both those guys. Well, we'll let me play a time.

2238
01:45:05,120 --> 01:45:08,200
Speaker 1: We'll see what happens with Hawkins. But on that back end,

2239
01:45:08,400 --> 01:45:09,799
Speaker 1: like he's a free safety.

2240
01:45:10,000 --> 01:45:11,439
Speaker 2: Okay, who is your last down?

2241
01:45:12,520 --> 01:45:12,560
Speaker 3: No?

2242
01:45:12,880 --> 01:45:15,760
Speaker 1: Smith, Schuster, Mafia Austin, Oh right, you had to so

2243
01:45:15,840 --> 01:45:16,519
Speaker 1: you both got three?

2244
01:45:16,640 --> 01:45:19,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you know who is your third belt? Right?

2245
01:45:19,720 --> 01:45:19,840
Speaker 1: Right?

2246
01:45:19,960 --> 01:45:21,840
Speaker 2: Do you want to talk really quickly? We have we

2247
01:45:21,960 --> 01:45:24,120
Speaker 2: have one call. We have fifteen minutes left. So just

2248
01:45:24,479 --> 01:45:27,240
Speaker 2: you mentioned Christian Zalez, yeah, and Pilgrimazer in your head

2249
01:45:27,240 --> 01:45:29,800
Speaker 2: and now you're you're telling everybody he's actually a bust.

2250
01:45:30,439 --> 01:45:33,360
Speaker 2: So my two thoughts on Christian Zales. Yeah, I didn't

2251
01:45:33,360 --> 01:45:37,400
Speaker 2: realize as being that harsh. You're being harsh. One, I

2252
01:45:37,560 --> 01:45:42,320
Speaker 2: agree that he hasn't been like Straps on lock Down

2253
01:45:42,800 --> 01:45:46,240
Speaker 2: Stefan Gilmour in his prime. Yeah, he was probably had

2254
01:45:46,240 --> 01:45:48,680
Speaker 2: a better rookie camp than he had has had this

2255
01:45:48,840 --> 01:45:53,240
Speaker 2: camp so far. My my one, the one reason why

2256
01:45:53,280 --> 01:45:56,519
Speaker 2: I tell people not to panic is I do when

2257
01:45:56,560 --> 01:46:00,680
Speaker 2: I watch him, I feel like everything gets downloaded it

2258
01:46:00,760 --> 01:46:03,720
Speaker 2: into that in the computer in his head where like

2259
01:46:04,360 --> 01:46:07,560
Speaker 2: he's learning guys, he's like learning routes, he's learning what

2260
01:46:07,640 --> 01:46:11,080
Speaker 2: he can and can't do, like he's it's always feels

2261
01:46:11,160 --> 01:46:15,320
Speaker 2: like he's he's like in this this zone right where

2262
01:46:15,360 --> 01:46:17,840
Speaker 2: he's like thinking these things through, and a lot of

2263
01:46:17,920 --> 01:46:21,880
Speaker 2: times with corners, you know, in practice, it's it's a

2264
01:46:21,960 --> 01:46:24,880
Speaker 2: lot of trial and error of like, you know, can

2265
01:46:24,920 --> 01:46:26,640
Speaker 2: I do this? Like can I do that? You know

2266
01:46:26,720 --> 01:46:29,760
Speaker 2: that sort of thing. And I almost feel like he's

2267
01:46:29,840 --> 01:46:32,719
Speaker 2: so confident at this point that he belongs in the league,

2268
01:46:33,160 --> 01:46:35,639
Speaker 2: that he doesn't have anything to prove. Whereas his rookie

2269
01:46:35,680 --> 01:46:39,000
Speaker 2: season he he felt like he needed to solidify himself

2270
01:46:39,040 --> 01:46:42,000
Speaker 2: as an NFL player. Now he's an NFL player. And

2271
01:46:42,160 --> 01:46:44,040
Speaker 2: my guess is is that when he the light needs

2272
01:46:44,120 --> 01:46:46,280
Speaker 2: to turn on, you know, and he needs to hit

2273
01:46:46,360 --> 01:46:47,400
Speaker 2: that switch. I think I'll hit it.

2274
01:46:47,479 --> 01:46:49,800
Speaker 1: I also wonder if there's some of just he hasn't

2275
01:46:49,800 --> 01:46:51,920
Speaker 1: played competitive football in what ten months alone?

2276
01:46:51,960 --> 01:46:54,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I asked him about that, like it maybe

2277
01:46:54,520 --> 01:46:56,599
Speaker 2: a little some sea legs. Yeah, you know, like trying

2278
01:46:56,600 --> 01:46:58,240
Speaker 2: to get the speed of the game back and all

2279
01:46:58,280 --> 01:47:00,879
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. I'm not worried about Christian Gonzales

2280
01:47:00,880 --> 01:47:03,719
Speaker 2: at all. I just feel like he's one of those guys.

2281
01:47:03,760 --> 01:47:06,880
Speaker 2: And he's also like a mild tempered guy. That game

2282
01:47:07,000 --> 01:47:08,400
Speaker 2: day is going to be a little bit different than

2283
01:47:08,720 --> 01:47:10,439
Speaker 2: for him than the processes. All right, you want to

2284
01:47:10,479 --> 01:47:12,479
Speaker 2: take this call first? Or kickers? Yeah, let's do Oh

2285
01:47:12,520 --> 01:47:13,240
Speaker 2: we're doing kickers.

2286
01:47:13,400 --> 01:47:14,160
Speaker 1: We have to.

2287
01:47:14,560 --> 01:47:16,640
Speaker 2: They've done special teams, have they?

2288
01:47:17,040 --> 01:47:17,160
Speaker 5: Yes?

2289
01:47:17,280 --> 01:47:19,559
Speaker 2: I fall asleep at that time. All right, Tommy's in Omaha.

2290
01:47:19,640 --> 01:47:20,200
Speaker 2: What's up Tommy?

2291
01:47:22,760 --> 01:47:23,920
Speaker 4: Hey, guys, how are we all today?

2292
01:47:24,040 --> 01:47:24,760
Speaker 2: Hey? Good? How are you.

2293
01:47:27,000 --> 01:47:27,240
Speaker 4: Good?

2294
01:47:27,360 --> 01:47:27,519
Speaker 1: Hey?

2295
01:47:27,640 --> 01:47:29,800
Speaker 4: I had a question for you. This is the first

2296
01:47:30,000 --> 01:47:32,960
Speaker 4: camp in memory that I've paid attt IT to where

2297
01:47:33,040 --> 01:47:36,320
Speaker 4: it seems like the offensive line sounds competent and the

2298
01:47:36,439 --> 01:47:41,720
Speaker 4: receivers sound competent. I guess my overlying question is, and

2299
01:47:41,840 --> 01:47:44,040
Speaker 4: y'all are seeing this in person compared to me all

2300
01:47:44,080 --> 01:47:47,040
Speaker 4: the way over here in Omaha. What is the biggest

2301
01:47:47,160 --> 01:47:50,000
Speaker 4: difference when it comes to the receivers an offensive line

2302
01:47:50,040 --> 01:47:53,679
Speaker 4: this year? Is it the maybe the attention to detail

2303
01:47:53,760 --> 01:47:57,000
Speaker 4: by the coaching staff and having more specialized coaches actually

2304
01:47:57,080 --> 01:47:59,880
Speaker 4: working with them hands on, or is it the change

2305
01:48:00,120 --> 01:48:03,679
Speaker 4: the offensive system as far as the responsibilities have gotten

2306
01:48:03,760 --> 01:48:06,920
Speaker 4: simpler and not as much as asked as the receivers

2307
01:48:06,960 --> 01:48:08,000
Speaker 4: and the offensive line.

2308
01:48:08,600 --> 01:48:11,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a fair question, Tom, and thanks for the call.

2309
01:48:11,320 --> 01:48:15,760
Speaker 2: I the way I see it, just from an execution standpoint,

2310
01:48:16,040 --> 01:48:19,080
Speaker 2: it seems to me right now like the five guys

2311
01:48:19,560 --> 01:48:21,840
Speaker 2: are playing on a string like it doesn't feel like

2312
01:48:22,400 --> 01:48:24,559
Speaker 2: in other camps when we've watched their line the last

2313
01:48:24,600 --> 01:48:27,880
Speaker 2: couple of years, it feels like just a jumbled mess

2314
01:48:27,920 --> 01:48:33,439
Speaker 2: of blockers inside and the guys are not necessarily tied together.

2315
01:48:33,720 --> 01:48:35,960
Speaker 2: Right An offensive line is one of those positions where

2316
01:48:36,240 --> 01:48:40,479
Speaker 2: it's probably the only position really where it's a unit.

2317
01:48:40,840 --> 01:48:44,240
Speaker 2: It's not an individual, it's a five man unit that

2318
01:48:44,400 --> 01:48:46,040
Speaker 2: needs to be seeing it through the same set of

2319
01:48:46,120 --> 01:48:49,080
Speaker 2: eyes as Dante Scarnekia would say. And right now, I've

2320
01:48:49,200 --> 01:48:50,920
Speaker 2: liked what I've seen so far in the early going

2321
01:48:50,960 --> 01:48:53,400
Speaker 2: that they've been doing that now is that scheme is

2322
01:48:53,479 --> 01:48:55,639
Speaker 2: that coaching. It's kind of hard to say which one

2323
01:48:55,680 --> 01:48:58,400
Speaker 2: that is without being in the meetings and stuff like that.

2324
01:48:58,960 --> 01:49:02,120
Speaker 2: But whatever they're doing, it seems like they are more

2325
01:49:02,240 --> 01:49:04,519
Speaker 2: tied together than they have been the last couple of years.

2326
01:49:04,600 --> 01:49:07,160
Speaker 1: Speaking of Nebraska, by the way, you see their new quarterback. No,

2327
01:49:07,600 --> 01:49:09,800
Speaker 1: so they got this quarterback, Dylan Rayoli's the number one

2328
01:49:09,880 --> 01:49:14,360
Speaker 1: quarterback in the nation. He decommitted from Georgia to go

2329
01:49:14,439 --> 01:49:17,200
Speaker 1: to Nebraska. Yeah, there's a picture of him. I'm gonna

2330
01:49:17,200 --> 01:49:18,559
Speaker 1: just pull his picture up and show you on the air.

2331
01:49:19,240 --> 01:49:20,839
Speaker 2: So his whole thing.

2332
01:49:22,439 --> 01:49:26,040
Speaker 1: Is he's trying to be Patrick Mahomes. That's like I

2333
01:49:26,080 --> 01:49:27,840
Speaker 1: think I texted you this last night. I'm trying to

2334
01:49:27,840 --> 01:49:31,320
Speaker 1: be Kobe Bryant. No, but like he has the same

2335
01:49:31,400 --> 01:49:34,600
Speaker 1: daily routine, he has the same diet, he has the

2336
01:49:34,640 --> 01:49:35,840
Speaker 1: same quarterbacks coach.

2337
01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:37,280
Speaker 2: Does he sound like Kermit the Frog?

2338
01:49:37,840 --> 01:49:40,320
Speaker 1: He's probably trying to. He showed I texted you this

2339
01:49:40,360 --> 01:49:44,040
Speaker 1: picture last night. He showed up yesterday Evan at their facility.

2340
01:49:45,200 --> 01:49:50,360
Speaker 1: Same haircut, same facial hair, same sunglasses. That's not Patrick,

2341
01:49:50,479 --> 01:49:53,040
Speaker 1: that's not Patrick Mahomes. That's Dylan Rayle. And when you

2342
01:49:53,120 --> 01:49:56,360
Speaker 1: watched missus Mahomes. So I don't know if people can

2343
01:49:56,400 --> 01:49:58,599
Speaker 1: see this on camera when you watch him on the field,

2344
01:49:59,280 --> 01:50:01,920
Speaker 1: it's like the same interism. It's gonna be really because

2345
01:50:02,640 --> 01:50:05,120
Speaker 1: for you. I just brought it up because because he's

2346
01:50:05,160 --> 01:50:07,080
Speaker 1: from MoMA. I just brought up because I heard Nebraska

2347
01:50:07,080 --> 01:50:08,719
Speaker 1: and we have ten minutes to go. But it's also

2348
01:50:08,800 --> 01:50:10,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, we had some real stuff to talk

2349
01:50:10,400 --> 01:50:10,680
Speaker 1: about it.

2350
01:50:10,680 --> 01:50:11,360
Speaker 2: I know we did well.

2351
01:50:11,400 --> 01:50:13,839
Speaker 1: You got anoid with the kickers. It's gonna be interesting

2352
01:50:13,920 --> 01:50:16,840
Speaker 1: because we heard quarterback after quarterback trying to be brady.

2353
01:50:16,920 --> 01:50:19,760
Speaker 1: This is like, it made me feel old. Mahomes is

2354
01:50:19,760 --> 01:50:22,280
Speaker 1: a guy they're emulating. You're gonna really like Dylan Ray. Okay,

2355
01:50:22,320 --> 01:50:23,680
Speaker 1: so we have one email I want to get to.

2356
01:50:24,040 --> 01:50:25,400
Speaker 1: We have ten minutes, so I have a couple of

2357
01:50:25,439 --> 01:50:26,840
Speaker 1: minutes for the email and a couple of minutes for

2358
01:50:26,920 --> 01:50:27,400
Speaker 1: your kickers.

2359
01:50:27,479 --> 01:50:28,960
Speaker 2: All right, which one do you want to do first?

2360
01:50:29,680 --> 01:50:31,360
Speaker 2: Let's do the kickers. Let's let's get that out of

2361
01:50:31,400 --> 01:50:34,000
Speaker 2: the way. Go ahead, So tell me what you see.

2362
01:50:34,080 --> 01:50:36,799
Speaker 1: Chad Roylands twelve to thirteen. Joey slides eleven to thirteen.

2363
01:50:37,360 --> 01:50:39,320
Speaker 2: Chad Ryland, buy it in.

2364
01:50:39,680 --> 01:50:42,760
Speaker 1: He's doing something different with the ball because at least

2365
01:50:42,760 --> 01:50:45,000
Speaker 1: today in the last couple of days, the way it

2366
01:50:45,080 --> 01:50:47,040
Speaker 1: comes off his foot, it looks like it's gonna miss.

2367
01:50:47,080 --> 01:50:48,519
Speaker 2: And he's put like a curve on it, like a

2368
01:50:48,600 --> 01:50:50,800
Speaker 2: late curve on it. I don't know what that is.

2369
01:50:50,880 --> 01:50:55,120
Speaker 1: It's different, we'll see. I don't think either of them

2370
01:50:55,160 --> 01:50:58,360
Speaker 1: have separated though through through a week. I still think

2371
01:50:58,400 --> 01:50:59,200
Speaker 1: that thing's wide open.

2372
01:50:59,280 --> 01:51:01,320
Speaker 2: So we don't know, is what you're saying. We don't know.

2373
01:51:01,400 --> 01:51:04,200
Speaker 2: But they're actually kicking now. It's gonna be interesting. Slide

2374
01:51:04,240 --> 01:51:06,880
Speaker 2: puts some he puts some move on the ball. I'll

2375
01:51:06,880 --> 01:51:08,960
Speaker 2: say that it's gonna be interesting to see how they

2376
01:51:09,040 --> 01:51:12,840
Speaker 2: split those up in the preseason because remember like Ryland

2377
01:51:12,880 --> 01:51:16,160
Speaker 2: like didn't kick well, they only had like one field three.

2378
01:51:16,400 --> 01:51:18,160
Speaker 1: I guess hopefully they moved the ball a little bit better.

2379
01:51:18,400 --> 01:51:19,920
Speaker 1: You can kick some more females, all right.

2380
01:51:19,960 --> 01:51:22,680
Speaker 2: So we got an email here from Ben in the

2381
01:51:22,840 --> 01:51:26,559
Speaker 2: UK that asked, do you think that the a vp

2382
01:51:26,880 --> 01:51:30,720
Speaker 2: Ox Van Pelt scheme actually fitz Drake May's skill set

2383
01:51:31,360 --> 01:51:33,559
Speaker 2: and would he be better off of the more modern

2384
01:51:33,680 --> 01:51:36,519
Speaker 2: West Coast scheme. I think it's a really interesting question

2385
01:51:36,600 --> 01:51:39,599
Speaker 2: because I hand up fully thought that he was gonna

2386
01:51:39,600 --> 01:51:42,360
Speaker 2: be a great fit in the scheme. I was more

2387
01:51:42,439 --> 01:51:45,120
Speaker 2: thinking though about the early down shots right off of

2388
01:51:45,160 --> 01:51:47,599
Speaker 2: play action and stuff like that, and the moving pockets

2389
01:51:47,640 --> 01:51:48,799
Speaker 2: and the deep throws.

2390
01:51:49,080 --> 01:51:49,200
Speaker 1: You know.

2391
01:51:49,439 --> 01:51:51,439
Speaker 2: The Browns I looked this up. We looked this up.

2392
01:51:51,439 --> 01:51:53,960
Speaker 2: I think last week that they were eighth in the

2393
01:51:54,040 --> 01:51:56,960
Speaker 2: league in a dot right among their quarterbacks. Like they were.

2394
01:51:57,200 --> 01:51:59,720
Speaker 2: They are a chuck it down the field type of team.

2395
01:51:59,800 --> 01:52:02,320
Speaker 2: And what better way to get the boast out of

2396
01:52:02,400 --> 01:52:04,280
Speaker 2: Drake May than to let him sling it down the field,

2397
01:52:04,280 --> 01:52:07,679
Speaker 2: which is what he does best. Now. Their passing game,

2398
01:52:08,880 --> 01:52:12,639
Speaker 2: like their traditional drop back pass game, no play action,

2399
01:52:13,560 --> 01:52:17,559
Speaker 2: is at its roots old school West Coast. It's really

2400
01:52:17,680 --> 01:52:23,960
Speaker 2: like Mike McCarthy Green Bay, West Coast, and those teams haven't.

2401
01:52:24,080 --> 01:52:28,400
Speaker 2: Necessarily there's two different West Coast branches. There's the Andy

2402
01:52:28,479 --> 01:52:32,400
Speaker 2: Reid branch right, which is over here, and that is

2403
01:52:32,479 --> 01:52:35,760
Speaker 2: what it's not my phrase. I'll give Lombardi credit. Michael

2404
01:52:35,760 --> 01:52:38,920
Speaker 2: Lombardi basically coined that as West Coast college right. So

2405
01:52:39,520 --> 01:52:42,560
Speaker 2: what that is it's essentially West Coast spread right. So

2406
01:52:42,600 --> 01:52:46,919
Speaker 2: they have spread elements, air raid elements within the framework

2407
01:52:46,960 --> 01:52:50,160
Speaker 2: of a West Coast offense. Then the other the other one.

2408
01:52:50,280 --> 01:52:52,560
Speaker 2: The other like the fork in the road right. The

2409
01:52:52,640 --> 01:52:56,240
Speaker 2: other is the Shanahan tree right. And they they have

2410
01:52:56,400 --> 01:53:00,480
Speaker 2: dressed up West the traditional West Coast with motion condensed forms.

2411
01:53:00,880 --> 01:53:03,800
Speaker 2: It's all about spacing right and creating space on the field.

2412
01:53:06,040 --> 01:53:09,200
Speaker 2: The Alex van Pelt offense and the Mike McCarthy offense

2413
01:53:09,240 --> 01:53:13,880
Speaker 2: in Dallas is lagging behind maybe a little bit. And

2414
01:53:13,960 --> 01:53:15,880
Speaker 2: this is one of the criticisms of the higher To

2415
01:53:15,960 --> 01:53:19,639
Speaker 2: begin with, they are still running the Bill Walsh West

2416
01:53:19,680 --> 01:53:23,040
Speaker 2: Coast offense for the most part, the old forty nine

2417
01:53:23,120 --> 01:53:27,800
Speaker 2: ers in the eighties West Coast offense. So he's not

2418
01:53:27,960 --> 01:53:31,120
Speaker 2: going to do the crazy motions that informations that Mike

2419
01:53:31,200 --> 01:53:35,240
Speaker 2: McDaniel and Shanahan and McVeigh do in La Floor. He's

2420
01:53:35,320 --> 01:53:38,679
Speaker 2: not going to do the air raid elements to spread

2421
01:53:38,960 --> 01:53:43,719
Speaker 2: RPO all that kind of stuff. My concern with Drake

2422
01:53:43,800 --> 01:53:46,439
Speaker 2: May is that to run the old school West Coast

2423
01:53:47,520 --> 01:53:50,120
Speaker 2: rhythm is so important. And remember we talked in the

2424
01:53:50,479 --> 01:53:52,799
Speaker 2: spring about left foot forward and all that kind of stuff.

2425
01:53:53,080 --> 01:53:55,759
Speaker 2: All of that is there to design to create rhythm

2426
01:53:56,000 --> 01:53:59,439
Speaker 2: within the offense so that your steps sequence together and

2427
01:53:59,479 --> 01:54:02,559
Speaker 2: then line up with the routes in order to teach

2428
01:54:02,560 --> 01:54:06,559
Speaker 2: a quarterback that struggles with footwork to execute that kind

2429
01:54:06,600 --> 01:54:08,519
Speaker 2: of offense is giving me a little bit of concern

2430
01:54:09,200 --> 01:54:13,639
Speaker 2: with the fit. But my guess is is that if

2431
01:54:13,920 --> 01:54:18,559
Speaker 2: Alex van Pelt has the chops, is that the pivot

2432
01:54:18,720 --> 01:54:21,479
Speaker 2: is probably closer to the Red Tree because the Red

2433
01:54:21,560 --> 01:54:25,759
Speaker 2: Tree passing game is basically the same, but they spread

2434
01:54:25,760 --> 01:54:28,960
Speaker 2: the field more. It's Mahomes more in the gun. There's RPO,

2435
01:54:29,640 --> 01:54:34,240
Speaker 2: and then there's also playground. There's also second reaction, and

2436
01:54:34,440 --> 01:54:36,760
Speaker 2: all of the second reaction stuff that the Chiefs do

2437
01:54:37,760 --> 01:54:41,080
Speaker 2: with Patrick Mahomes is all scripted, Like that's not just

2438
01:54:41,360 --> 01:54:45,040
Speaker 2: like everybody just run around right, Like everybody has rules

2439
01:54:45,400 --> 01:54:48,120
Speaker 2: within the framework of the offense of like when Patrick

2440
01:54:48,200 --> 01:54:51,080
Speaker 2: Mahomes breaks the pocket, this is how we're going to

2441
01:54:51,160 --> 01:54:54,080
Speaker 2: get open for him down the field. There's nobody better

2442
01:54:54,120 --> 01:54:56,360
Speaker 2: at it than Kelsey. I think Kelsey's probably the best

2443
01:54:56,480 --> 01:55:01,160
Speaker 2: playground player receiver I've ever seen. Awesome at it. So

2444
01:55:02,200 --> 01:55:04,120
Speaker 2: what's the way that they go if they ask him

2445
01:55:04,160 --> 01:55:06,800
Speaker 2: to execute in a traditional West Coast and there's no

2446
01:55:07,120 --> 01:55:09,840
Speaker 2: read element to it and there's no Shanahan element to it,

2447
01:55:10,240 --> 01:55:12,200
Speaker 2: I think that there's gonna we're going to continue to

2448
01:55:12,280 --> 01:55:14,840
Speaker 2: see some of the things the issues that have popped up.

2449
01:55:15,200 --> 01:55:18,080
Speaker 2: So long winded answer to the question, is he a

2450
01:55:18,160 --> 01:55:22,840
Speaker 2: good fit in the system? Yes, if they cater it

2451
01:55:23,000 --> 01:55:26,760
Speaker 2: to him. If they are going to try to jam

2452
01:55:26,880 --> 01:55:31,000
Speaker 2: him into the McCarthy system, Uh, there could be some

2453
01:55:31,120 --> 01:55:35,400
Speaker 2: issues with that. And we're just that's case a quarterback.

2454
01:55:35,440 --> 01:55:37,240
Speaker 2: It's too early, Like it's too early to say that

2455
01:55:37,320 --> 01:55:39,440
Speaker 2: that's what they're going to do. But like a lot

2456
01:55:39,520 --> 01:55:43,240
Speaker 2: of the McCarthy stuff is really really based on timing

2457
01:55:43,320 --> 01:55:47,320
Speaker 2: and rhythm and getting the football out and that that

2458
01:55:47,760 --> 01:55:50,160
Speaker 2: is different, you know, than what they're asking him to

2459
01:55:50,240 --> 01:55:52,960
Speaker 2: do now. You know, I think Dak has gotten really

2460
01:55:53,000 --> 01:55:55,800
Speaker 2: good at it down there in Dallas over the last

2461
01:55:55,880 --> 01:55:59,320
Speaker 2: you know, year plus, So we'll see. But that's what

2462
01:55:59,400 --> 01:56:02,400
Speaker 2: I'm seeing with May right now, is that those elements

2463
01:56:02,480 --> 01:56:05,800
Speaker 2: of their drop back pass game are really asking him

2464
01:56:05,840 --> 01:56:08,480
Speaker 2: to play on time and when you're it's hard to

2465
01:56:08,560 --> 01:56:11,280
Speaker 2: do if you're that the type of quarterback.

2466
01:56:10,960 --> 01:56:13,200
Speaker 1: That he is. So I guess I'll just add to that.

2467
01:56:13,480 --> 01:56:17,320
Speaker 1: I think physically he's a fit. And this is something

2468
01:56:17,360 --> 01:56:19,440
Speaker 1: we talked about during the draft. The kind of throws

2469
01:56:20,000 --> 01:56:22,320
Speaker 1: you need to make, it's a lot over the middle

2470
01:56:22,440 --> 01:56:24,720
Speaker 1: between the numbers right to the deeper parts of the field.

2471
01:56:25,280 --> 01:56:28,680
Speaker 1: In that sense, he's a great fit because that's a

2472
01:56:28,720 --> 01:56:31,960
Speaker 1: lot of what he did at North Carolina. It's to

2473
01:56:32,080 --> 01:56:34,000
Speaker 1: your whole point everything you just said, it's the mental

2474
01:56:34,120 --> 01:56:37,360
Speaker 1: side of it where there needs to be maybe more

2475
01:56:37,400 --> 01:56:39,120
Speaker 1: of a marriage between what they want to do and

2476
01:56:39,200 --> 01:56:40,240
Speaker 1: what his skill set is.

2477
01:56:40,240 --> 01:56:41,840
Speaker 2: It's such a it's a perfect way of putting it,

2478
01:56:41,920 --> 01:56:43,960
Speaker 2: because like the areas of the field that they want

2479
01:56:44,000 --> 01:56:46,080
Speaker 2: to attack, or all areas that he that he loves

2480
01:56:46,120 --> 01:56:48,960
Speaker 2: to attack. But the problem is is that the way

2481
01:56:49,040 --> 01:56:51,640
Speaker 2: they get is the presentation of the play. It's the

2482
01:56:51,960 --> 01:56:54,320
Speaker 2: it's the drop, it's the timing of the route, it's

2483
01:56:54,360 --> 01:56:57,240
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff that right now is where

2484
01:56:57,400 --> 01:56:58,800
Speaker 2: he's having the most problem.

2485
01:56:58,640 --> 01:57:01,520
Speaker 1: Which again is not that unusual for any young quarterback.

2486
01:57:01,640 --> 01:57:03,440
Speaker 2: That was the whole thing with mac Jones.

2487
01:57:03,560 --> 01:57:05,640
Speaker 1: And I've seen people say, well, mac Jones was so

2488
01:57:05,760 --> 01:57:07,640
Speaker 1: good right away, and what does it mean that Drake

2489
01:57:07,720 --> 01:57:10,560
Speaker 1: May isn't when Mack wasn't good, Because that was the

2490
01:57:10,640 --> 01:57:12,480
Speaker 1: one thing mac Jones had figured it out before he

2491
01:57:12,560 --> 01:57:16,320
Speaker 1: got sped up beyond believe he knew what he was

2492
01:57:16,360 --> 01:57:18,920
Speaker 1: looking at coming in like few rookie quarterbacks do. The

2493
01:57:19,080 --> 01:57:23,320
Speaker 1: problem is he didn't have the physical traits to properly

2494
01:57:23,520 --> 01:57:24,480
Speaker 1: make make use of it.

2495
01:57:24,600 --> 01:57:27,000
Speaker 2: Benjamin buttoning this, it's gonna be in Revene. It's the

2496
01:57:27,040 --> 01:57:27,720
Speaker 2: exact opposite.

2497
01:57:27,760 --> 01:57:30,680
Speaker 1: But the difference is I would rather teach a guy

2498
01:57:30,760 --> 01:57:32,720
Speaker 1: with all the physical tools how to read a field

2499
01:57:33,120 --> 01:57:35,000
Speaker 1: than just hope a guy who can read the field

2500
01:57:35,480 --> 01:57:38,080
Speaker 1: magically develops these physical tools he's never had, because that's

2501
01:57:38,120 --> 01:57:38,760
Speaker 1: not gonna happen.

2502
01:57:39,040 --> 01:57:42,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just hope that I've thought about this a

2503
01:57:42,280 --> 01:57:45,960
Speaker 2: little bit, as you can tell I. I you know,

2504
01:57:46,040 --> 01:57:52,480
Speaker 2: I love Shanahan. I love Shannan, but too much Shanahan, McVeigh, Lafloor, McDaniel.

2505
01:57:52,920 --> 01:57:56,520
Speaker 2: Those guys are brilliant offensive minds. And not that Andy

2506
01:57:56,600 --> 01:57:59,400
Speaker 2: Reid isn't right. But if I had to design an

2507
01:57:59,480 --> 01:58:04,200
Speaker 2: offense from the West Coast tree and add elements, I

2508
01:58:04,240 --> 01:58:07,080
Speaker 2: think it's probably easier to add the read elements than

2509
01:58:07,160 --> 01:58:09,800
Speaker 2: it is to the Shanahan elements, because the Shannan elements

2510
01:58:09,880 --> 01:58:14,840
Speaker 2: is all it's it's like it's complex, yeah, really complex. Yeah,

2511
01:58:15,240 --> 01:58:17,360
Speaker 2: So I think the read elements is more in there.

2512
01:58:17,560 --> 01:58:19,640
Speaker 2: You know, that's spread the field.

2513
01:58:19,800 --> 01:58:24,920
Speaker 1: Gun RPO probably in this specific case, it's probably closer

2514
01:58:24,960 --> 01:58:25,880
Speaker 1: to what he did at UNC.

2515
01:58:26,320 --> 01:58:29,400
Speaker 2: That's that's kind of what I'm getting at. Yeah, Phil Longo,

2516
01:58:29,480 --> 01:58:31,360
Speaker 2: Chip Lindsay were his two O c's at U n C.

2517
01:58:31,880 --> 01:58:34,240
Speaker 2: They're air raid guys. Chip Lindsay got mad at me

2518
01:58:34,280 --> 01:58:37,560
Speaker 2: when I called him an air raid guy, but no offense, Chip,

2519
01:58:37,640 --> 01:58:38,560
Speaker 2: you are an air raid guy.

2520
01:58:38,600 --> 01:58:42,720
Speaker 1: Well, Phil, Phil Longo's like one of the og did

2521
01:58:42,760 --> 01:58:46,280
Speaker 1: he He didn't coach for for Leech. He coached for

2522
01:58:46,360 --> 01:58:49,240
Speaker 1: one of one. I think the other guy. There's three,

2523
01:58:49,320 --> 01:58:52,280
Speaker 1: there's Hal Money and there's Mouse Davis. Yeah, we're the

2524
01:58:52,360 --> 01:58:53,320
Speaker 1: ones who taught Leech.

2525
01:58:53,640 --> 01:58:57,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. So in order to get to like the this

2526
01:58:57,760 --> 01:59:00,360
Speaker 2: is we're right now we're talking about base offenses. Yeah,

2527
01:59:00,760 --> 01:59:03,960
Speaker 2: in this time of training camp. Once like your two

2528
01:59:04,040 --> 01:59:05,840
Speaker 2: year three of Drake May, like once we start to

2529
01:59:05,880 --> 01:59:11,160
Speaker 2: get to like the advanced stage of his development, then

2530
01:59:11,200 --> 01:59:14,560
Speaker 2: I think we started talking about going branching into the

2531
01:59:14,640 --> 01:59:20,200
Speaker 2: red tree of things and adding UNC style spread air

2532
01:59:20,280 --> 01:59:23,440
Speaker 2: raid elements to the traditional West Coast and creating a

2533
01:59:23,520 --> 01:59:26,120
Speaker 2: West Coast college scheme here in New England, which is

2534
01:59:26,160 --> 01:59:30,200
Speaker 2: what would fit drink May perfectly. So they're getting there.

2535
01:59:30,560 --> 01:59:34,200
Speaker 2: It's early don't panic long ago did coach under Mike Leish,

2536
01:59:34,200 --> 01:59:37,360
Speaker 2: I had that wrong. He's at Wisconsin now, Yeah, so good,

2537
01:59:37,600 --> 01:59:38,560
Speaker 2: nice guy. I talked to him.

2538
01:59:38,840 --> 01:59:40,320
Speaker 1: Him and Wisconsin him in the Big Ten is gonna

2539
01:59:40,320 --> 01:59:44,520
Speaker 1: be interesting. Remember we did two years of Alabama by

2540
01:59:44,640 --> 01:59:48,840
Speaker 1: the offense? Yes, are we going to be unc a

2541
01:59:48,920 --> 01:59:50,640
Speaker 1: fly North Carolina by the offense?

2542
01:59:50,720 --> 01:59:53,840
Speaker 2: Well? In North Carolina's offense kind of like schematically kind

2543
01:59:53,880 --> 01:59:58,040
Speaker 2: of stunk. But like er rating it or like reading it,

2544
01:59:58,240 --> 02:00:01,440
Speaker 2: I think is probably would be more optimistic.

2545
02:00:01,800 --> 02:00:01,920
Speaker 1: Right.

2546
02:00:02,920 --> 02:00:04,760
Speaker 2: I don't think you want to be North Carolina, but

2547
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Speaker 2: I think you definitely need to. You need to put

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Speaker 2: some more college style elements, Like if you're gonna ask

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Speaker 2: him to be pro style and you're gonna ask him

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Speaker 2: to be this timing and rhythm quarterback, I do think

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Speaker 2: early on, especially in his career, there's gonna be some

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Speaker 2: issues with that because his timing and his anticipation just

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Speaker 2: isn't there yet. Okay, here we go. I knew there

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Speaker 2: was a connection. Can I remember what it was?

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Speaker 1: Wongo never coached for Mike Leach, but like they were

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Speaker 1: like friends and he got it from Leach, but he

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Speaker 1: never worked for him.

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Speaker 2: He learned it from Leach but like off the job. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: all right, we gotta wrap. We'll be back next week.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna do Wednesday. Next week is the preseason game.

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Speaker 2: Believe it or not, we're already at The preseason game

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Speaker 2: is next Thursday, so that's gonna be you know, Patriots

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Speaker 2: preview show, postgame show, that whole game day gamut. So

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Speaker 2: we're gonna do the show at one o'clock next Wednesday

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Speaker 2: to recap the days and we'll talk a little bit

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Speaker 2: about the preseason game as well. I'm sure. Just a

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