WEBVTT - Steve Guttenberg

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<v Speaker 1>Hello. It's Craig Ferguson. I'm going on tour with the

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<v Speaker 1>stand up comedy Tour this fall of twenty twenty four

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<v Speaker 1>with a brand new hour and a half material and

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<v Speaker 1>the tour is called Pants on Fire because I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>very truthful man. We start in September and go all

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<v Speaker 1>the way through mid December. Get your tickets now at

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<v Speaker 1>the Creek Ferguson Show Slash Tour and if you feel

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<v Speaker 1>like saying hello after the show, vipple I you just

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<v Speaker 1>are available. Oh la la. My name is Craig Ferguson.

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<v Speaker 1>The name of this podcast is Joy. I talk to

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<v Speaker 1>interest in people about what brings them happiness. I'm very

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<v Speaker 1>pleased that my guest today is one of the best

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<v Speaker 1>guys in show business. He's one of the best people

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<v Speaker 1>I've met in the years I've been an old show

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<v Speaker 1>business or selling my wares around Hollywood. He is just

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<v Speaker 1>a delightful human being. If you don't know him, you're

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<v Speaker 1>about to find that out. He's Steve Guttenberg. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>think your hearing has gone down a little bit? Probably

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<v Speaker 1>you know about the same age. I think you're.

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<v Speaker 2>You and I are about the same age.

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<v Speaker 3>Sixty five I'm sixty two. Oh you're sixteen.

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<v Speaker 1>You're young, but yeah, you know, you know what funny

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<v Speaker 1>three years in your twenties, you're like, we're kind of

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<v Speaker 1>the same age as when you're in the sixties. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a lot younger than you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what's it like to walk with that? Olympics must

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<v Speaker 3>be nice.

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<v Speaker 2>But you're doing good for sixty five.

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<v Speaker 3>You're pretty good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like you like you you reached it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh really, it just happened.

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<v Speaker 3>I just moved wrong where.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I get that. I just want to we were.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course I have talent, I have courtison, I have

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<v Speaker 1>really oh yeah, don't oh no, no, no the cream

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<v Speaker 1>oh oh yeah, yeah, zone cream. Because getting old is itchy.

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<v Speaker 1>It's itchy especially I'll be happy know whatever that is.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want you.

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<v Speaker 3>So you got some cool artwork on your arms?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>I got some where'd you get it? All around the country?

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<v Speaker 2>Around the best piece of you? You don't have any ink?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't have anything. Well, you know, I don't have

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<v Speaker 3>anything never. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also Jews.

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<v Speaker 2>Guys tend not to know, don't.

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<v Speaker 3>Well.

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<v Speaker 4>The Jews believe that if you get a tattoo, you

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<v Speaker 4>do something. You can't be buried in a Jewish cemetery. Oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 4>it's just a I don't know if it's a it's

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<v Speaker 4>a hard rule.

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<v Speaker 1>I just I feel like a lot of things in

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<v Speaker 1>Judaism this kind of room for you know, let me

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<v Speaker 1>have a bacon.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me have bacon.

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<v Speaker 1>And my people.

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<v Speaker 2>If you don't have a tattoo, you can't get into

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<v Speaker 2>the afterlife?

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<v Speaker 3>Is that true?

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<v Speaker 1>I just made it off.

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<v Speaker 3>It's good. It sounds really good.

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<v Speaker 1>We could put it in like one of those outlinder.

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<v Speaker 4>I have a nephew has a he's a half Jewish,

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<v Speaker 4>half Catholic. So he has a Jewish star and.

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<v Speaker 3>A very very guilty parent.

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<v Speaker 1>Angle across and uh and a Jewish star and a

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<v Speaker 1>star David. Yeah, Like is it mixed together.

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<v Speaker 4>Or just I think it is mixed together. I think

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<v Speaker 4>he had a friend of his in college.

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<v Speaker 1>Like malgamate it. Bro. You gotta be careful though, because

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<v Speaker 1>you can go you can go Satanic without no one.

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<v Speaker 1>Like if you get your logos wrong, suddenly I'm the

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<v Speaker 1>dark Lord you require Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you you heard anything about the ink being bad

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<v Speaker 4>for your bloodstream?

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard that recently. Yeah, it's true. I hope it's

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<v Speaker 1>not true, but I heard that it can. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it gives you Alzheimer's and stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you seem so, you still seem great.

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<v Speaker 1>I heard.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. But you know what, here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's the thing. You don't know what's in front of you, right,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't know what's in front You gotta let in

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<v Speaker 1>the day.

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<v Speaker 2>You got to live in the day.

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<v Speaker 3>I think. But I actually do know what's in front

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<v Speaker 3>of me. You do.

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<v Speaker 4>I do live that way, but always live that way. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I think that what's in front of me is good

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<v Speaker 4>and it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Going to be great. That's a great attitude. And you

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<v Speaker 3>know there are there are glitches.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, I mean, because I wanted to talk to you

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<v Speaker 2>about your book.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a like a huge best seller about about

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<v Speaker 1>your dad.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I didn't bring it. I should bring it

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<v Speaker 3>with me.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, we'll buy one. I should right here,

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<v Speaker 1>People will buy them. We can also, because we have technology,

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<v Speaker 1>we can probably put up a picture of Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we could do that. But that's about I mean, that's

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<v Speaker 1>more than a glitch. So that's like when your dad

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<v Speaker 1>had kidney failure, right right, right? Did he die of

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<v Speaker 1>kidney failure kidney disease, So what is that just like

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<v Speaker 1>renal disease that.

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<v Speaker 4>They yeah, exactly where there's so many cysts inside the

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<v Speaker 4>kidney that they start to not function, and that's kidney failure.

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<v Speaker 4>Because you can live with kidney disease, right, But then

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<v Speaker 4>when you when they when it comes so weak, then

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<v Speaker 4>you go on dialysis, which which is a marvelous, wonderful

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<v Speaker 4>life sustaining system.

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<v Speaker 1>What is dialysis because that's the thing I'm surprised to hear.

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<v Speaker 2>But when you were caring for your dad, which.

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<v Speaker 1>Was as a spectacularly I have to say, as an

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<v Speaker 1>you know, looking at you as an actor, for an

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<v Speaker 1>actor to do something that selfless, kind of like Becker's belief,

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<v Speaker 1>it's uh.

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<v Speaker 3>Well I think I'm a half actor, half human.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah right, okay, it was like mixed up like your

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<v Speaker 2>nephew is half.

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<v Speaker 1>Jewish, chef Catholic?

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<v Speaker 3>Right, actor, Like I'm going, how do I look at

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<v Speaker 3>but let me do your dials?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>So you learned to be a dialysis technician with.

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<v Speaker 3>My sister Susan.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we went to a medical facility and we actually

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<v Speaker 4>learned to become dialysis technicians and were certified and I

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<v Speaker 4>actually my sister was certified and I was her assistant.

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<v Speaker 4>But we both learned how to canulate, which is putting

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<v Speaker 4>a needle into a fistula, which is a very very

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<v Speaker 4>large vein which is created from an art and a vein.

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<v Speaker 4>They mail them together, so it's a very large target.

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<v Speaker 4>So then you insert and the blood comes out. All

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<v Speaker 4>your blood blood, all your blood goes through a machine

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<v Speaker 4>chilled to thirty four degrees is cleaned. That's what your

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<v Speaker 4>kidneys do. Then it's returned from another needle and another

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<v Speaker 4>two you're just lying there. Yeah, you line there for

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<v Speaker 4>about three hours and you get your blood cleaned. It's

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<v Speaker 4>a marvelous system.

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<v Speaker 1>Amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>How often did you have to do that for you?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, some people do it three days a week, depends

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<v Speaker 4>on how your kidneys are working. Sometimes four days a

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<v Speaker 4>week because you have fluid on your body. The great

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<v Speaker 4>thing about kidneys is it gets rid of all the

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<v Speaker 4>fluid in your body and excess fluid. But when your

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<v Speaker 4>kidneys don't work, you build up this fluid and that

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<v Speaker 4>has to be released and the dialysis machine does that.

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<v Speaker 4>But if it doesn't do enough in three days, you

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<v Speaker 4>have to do it four days, and if it's not

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<v Speaker 4>enough in four days, you have to do it five days.

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<v Speaker 2>How did that?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, if you're doing this this fairly, Tan's medical

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<v Speaker 1>procedure on your father who was very ill. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean you guys, you're going really well?

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>You were close?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, very close?

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<v Speaker 2>And that's so what did it?

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<v Speaker 1>What was it like for you when you get into

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<v Speaker 1>that situation, because you know, I think with my father,

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<v Speaker 1>my father, you know, he passed fairly quickly. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>a long thing like that. Long ago two thousand and six,

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<v Speaker 1>my dad died. Sorry, yeah, sorry for you. It's hard.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't go away.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>People are like, you know when people talk about grief,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's so weird. It's like it's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like a scar. I think grief it's like really raw

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<v Speaker 1>and then it kind of healed a bit. It doesn't go.

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<v Speaker 4>Away, no, And it depends on the type of person

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<v Speaker 4>you are. There are some people that don't want to

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<v Speaker 4>admit their pain. Yeah, so they just say, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>it's okay, I'm fine, and right they go on. Then

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<v Speaker 4>there are people who feel something and say it really

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<v Speaker 4>bothers me and I miss them a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, how bad? I still miss my dad Every Sunday.

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<v Speaker 1>I think about phone and my mom. She's been dead

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<v Speaker 1>since two thousand and eight. Yeah, I still think about

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<v Speaker 1>it still, of course you do, Yeah, because I thought

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<v Speaker 1>her every Sunday. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. When we were older.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh really yeah, when I was older, I got closer

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<v Speaker 1>with him. Whenever I was young, I was a little crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Even I grew up in Scotland, I did. And did

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<v Speaker 1>your parents still live there? They moved here?

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, there, they lived and died there.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, it's I grew up at You're from Brooklyn,

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<v Speaker 1>right right, but old school Brooklyn, not Helpster Brooklyn right now.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's kind of like where I grew up.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of like old school Brooklyn, but with a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more rain and had no good food. No good food, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>like Brooklyn that's good food. Ransomish yeah, yeah, but Glasgow

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<v Speaker 1>in the nineteen seventies. That. So you're you're very close

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<v Speaker 1>with your dad, right, he's your best friend? I was,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he gets Kenny disease.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So you were driving on my guest today as before that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, my sister and I and my mom and my

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<v Speaker 4>wife was driving him and then it it got so

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<v Speaker 4>bad that we had to do it three four, five

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<v Speaker 4>times a week. And that's when we went to school

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<v Speaker 4>and learned to do it at home. Because my dad

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<v Speaker 4>was an US Army ranger and he was an airborne

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<v Speaker 4>ranger and the Veterans Administration is great to all soldiers

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<v Speaker 4>and they gave us all the equipment, so we were

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<v Speaker 4>able to dialize him at home, which is pretty great.

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<v Speaker 2>That's fantastic. So how long were you doing that for?

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<v Speaker 3>Though?

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<v Speaker 4>About over a year a little over year, and it

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<v Speaker 4>was much easier on him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So did he cope with it well? Because I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know why I'd be with my kids looking after me.

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<v Speaker 4>He did it every day, and he didn't like, like

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<v Speaker 4>anybody their dignity when somebody has to do things that

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<v Speaker 4>you usually do yourself. And it's tough for a kid too,

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<v Speaker 4>to shower your dad or mom when they used to

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<v Speaker 4>shower themselves, of course, and they used to when you

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<v Speaker 4>were a little boy. They taught you how to shower,

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<v Speaker 4>how to shave, and then I was shaving my dad.

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<v Speaker 3>Was it tough? It was?

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<v Speaker 2>It tough on you too? I guess it's gonna be right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>really was?

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<v Speaker 4>You're not you don't want to show it to your

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<v Speaker 4>dad or your mind by the time, because you wanted

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<v Speaker 4>to go it's gonna be great, Dad, You're gonna be okay.

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<v Speaker 4>And that actually helps you get through it by talking

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<v Speaker 4>so positively. Dad, you look you're doing great. My dad said, look,

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<v Speaker 4>look how skinny my legs are. And I go, Dad,

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<v Speaker 4>you look great. You're gonna gain some weight back. Everything's

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<v Speaker 4>gonna be okay. And I think for the caregiver too.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, there are fifty three over fifty three million

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<v Speaker 4>caregivers in this country. Some people estimated to one hundred

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<v Speaker 4>million caregivers.

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<v Speaker 1>What is country?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean everybody knows somebody taking care of somebody.

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<v Speaker 3>I know somebody what you.

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<v Speaker 4>Mean, like magically taking care of somebody who can't take

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<v Speaker 4>care of themselves. They need to be looked after, eight

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<v Speaker 4>hours a day, ten hours a day, Yeah, helping them

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<v Speaker 4>go to the bathroom, helping them shower, helping them get

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<v Speaker 4>into bed. Everybody. At one point Rossland Carter opened up

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<v Speaker 4>the Caregivers Institute in Georgia and she said, at one point,

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<v Speaker 4>you're either going to be a caregiver or you're gonna

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<v Speaker 4>need a caregiver. That's just how it is and it's tough.

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<v Speaker 4>It's really tough.

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<v Speaker 2>Where did you end up Whether did you get depressed?

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<v Speaker 3>I think I did get depressed.

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<v Speaker 1>It's fun because I think of you as one of

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<v Speaker 1>the most positive individuals I've ever met in this business.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you really are appreciated. You're You're kind of.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you're like a You're like a big shiny flashlight

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<v Speaker 1>in a world of vampires.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to be you're like that.

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<v Speaker 1>You are like that, and I wonder how did it

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<v Speaker 1>manifest itself for someone like you, because you're not big guy.

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<v Speaker 4>I have to fight it and maybe have a you know,

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<v Speaker 4>a weep by myself and tell someone close to me

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<v Speaker 4>how I feel.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, that sounds appropriate though. That doesn't sound

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<v Speaker 1>like depression. That sounds like that sounds like you're feeling

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Yeah, sadness and depression or so.

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<v Speaker 4>I wouldn't say no, you're right, I don't think I

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<v Speaker 4>was depressed. I think that it was hard to see

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<v Speaker 4>someone you love any anytime. Yeah, see someone you love

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<v Speaker 4>in pain. Yeah, my mom right now has terrible pain

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<v Speaker 4>in her shoulders and it's it's it's hard, and they're

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<v Speaker 4>trying to find a solution to it, and it's hard.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't know what it is.

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<v Speaker 3>No, well they know it's arthritis. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>My mother had that terribly.

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<v Speaker 3>And they tried the shots. Did your mom take shots?

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<v Speaker 2>Took shots?

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<v Speaker 1>They give her gold injections at one point. Really yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they were all sorts of experimentation.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. She was like, sucks, it really sucks.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it really does. You knows a thing about my mom?

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<v Speaker 1>Like my mom was. She came and visit me when

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<v Speaker 1>I was doing the Late Show. She was on the

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<v Speaker 1>she was on the show, and she was the week.

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<v Speaker 1>The week she was on the show, Riza from Wu

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<v Speaker 1>Tang client was on the show and I said to Risa, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>we we went to this bit for the show. You

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<v Speaker 1>can take my mom around La and take her to

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<v Speaker 1>cool places and shore around event.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, and he took her around town and showed filmed it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we filmed it. We put it on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>But they kind of stayed in touch and they got

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<v Speaker 1>one really well. And when Wu Tang were playing in Scotland,

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<v Speaker 1>my mom wanted to take the ladies from a thright,

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<v Speaker 1>that's care to see. I was like, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if they really enjoy it. Well, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>they go. I don't think they did, but.

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<v Speaker 2>I wish they did.

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<v Speaker 1>I think in my mind I'm going to say, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>they did yours. No, my mom didn't go. I think

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<v Speaker 1>she got sick again. Do you know what that thing?

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<v Speaker 1>I remember this with my dad. I wonder if this

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<v Speaker 1>happened to be your dad. When he was sick, I

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<v Speaker 1>would make plans for us to do things, and then

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<v Speaker 1>he'd like he'd liked the idea of thing, but when

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<v Speaker 1>the day came to like go on a trip or

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<v Speaker 1>a road trip or something that you'd be like, I

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<v Speaker 1>can't ryan do it.

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<v Speaker 4>I've seen that my dad and my mom, and it

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<v Speaker 4>really is disappointing.

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<v Speaker 2>But the idea of it seems to be in.

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<v Speaker 4>The last minute. A lot of times they'll say, but

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<v Speaker 4>the other day I wanted My sister and my brother

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<v Speaker 4>in law were going out to dinner. My mom lives there.

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<v Speaker 4>My mom and dad were living with them in Arizona

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<v Speaker 4>and wish I love Arizona, by the way, Yes, And

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<v Speaker 4>they were going out to dinner. I said, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 4>take Mom out to dinner and they said, Mom will

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<v Speaker 4>never go. She won't go. So I said to Mom, Mom,

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<v Speaker 4>let's go out to dinner tonight. She's like, no, I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know. Go mom, come on, we'll go out to dinner.

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<v Speaker 4>We'll have a great Italian meal. There's this place called

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<v Speaker 4>Fabio on Fire, really hot hoping place, great Italian food, Italian. No,

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<v Speaker 4>it's not Fabio, the famous Fabio, who's a wonderful guy. Actually,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I never met Fabi.

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<v Speaker 3>They never met me. He's a great gush know.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to say, the only thing I really know

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<v Speaker 1>about him is that when he got hit in the

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<v Speaker 1>face by a goose on the roller coaster.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, what happened? Oh he was a roller coaster

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<v Speaker 3>and a goose flew by and hit him in the face.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, and he was like bleeding, oh no, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I don't know if this is true, but

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<v Speaker 1>in my mind it's true that he tried to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of put some activism together for people that had been

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<v Speaker 1>hit by birds on roller coasters. But there were he

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<v Speaker 1>was only one.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah one, Oh my god, what are the chances?

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<v Speaker 1>Pretty What do you think the goose felt like as well?

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<v Speaker 1>It was like, oh my god, is that Fabio?

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<v Speaker 3>That's pretty cool?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I hit Fabrio?

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<v Speaker 3>You touched his face.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Well I met him in a restaurant and he the Source. No,

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't meet him there. I met this place called

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<v Speaker 4>oh Cos, this great restaurant, tin restaurant. He was there

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<v Speaker 4>with his wife and a girlfriend or his wife and

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<v Speaker 4>he we were talking and my mom was there. She

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<v Speaker 4>met him and he takes he took care of his mom.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>In Italy he was a good good son. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>good son. Was he doing? I should have him on

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<v Speaker 3>the writing or something. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>When I first came to Hollywood in the mid nineties,

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<v Speaker 1>he used to eat at the Source restaurant on.

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<v Speaker 3>Sunset Yeah, the health food place.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, every day, and I used to go there. I

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<v Speaker 1>used to go there because I thought you have to

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<v Speaker 1>go a health food restaurant Hollywood Detox after growling up Scotland.

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<v Speaker 2>And I used to see him every day. But I

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<v Speaker 2>really yeah, like h I mean, what am I going

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<v Speaker 2>to say?

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<v Speaker 4>But you know what I find about famous people. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>everybody likes to say hi.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw that Instagram post you did the other day

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<v Speaker 1>when the guy said to you, hey, I like your

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<v Speaker 1>posts and you said yeah good yeah, and you're like

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<v Speaker 1>you were happy about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>We like to get everybody, and we're social animals, right,

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<v Speaker 4>Whether you're a carpenter, you're an actor, you're a doctor.

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<v Speaker 4>People like to say, hi, ay, doctor Puller, I saw

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<v Speaker 4>your I was a patient here as ten years ago.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, good to see you again. You know hey,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, hey, Craig. I love your show. You're really great.

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<v Speaker 4>I love your podcast. You're gonna turn around and go

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<v Speaker 4>thanks a lot. That's so great. Can I have a picture, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>of course.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. But it's like that fine. It's when people come

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<v Speaker 1>over this in Scotland. People will come over to you

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<v Speaker 1>and go, I don't know who you are.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I know that one. I know that way.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, then why are you talking to me? Everyone?

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<v Speaker 3>You don't know? I tell them you don't know. This

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<v Speaker 3>is kind of a funny thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a weird one. Well, I don't know who you are,

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<v Speaker 1>and why are you talking to my kids?

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<v Speaker 3>Don't know who you are?

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<v Speaker 4>But I think that's I go, okay, do they know

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<v Speaker 4>who the Secretary of State is?

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<v Speaker 3>No? Okay, that's all right. But I I do.

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<v Speaker 4>Think that everybody wants to say something clever and somewhat complimentary.

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<v Speaker 4>I think everyone wants to be complimentary. Sure, and I

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<v Speaker 4>think also as being a well known person. If you're

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<v Speaker 4>out in public, you know, if you have a little

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<v Speaker 4>bit of a responsibility.

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<v Speaker 3>You're on I think so.

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<v Speaker 1>My understanding about you, even when it was like burning

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<v Speaker 1>super hot for you at the very beginning, like the

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<v Speaker 1>police Academy and Cocoon and stuff like that, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Were always pretty on the level.

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<v Speaker 1>Though you weren't like you weren't a crazy drinkier drugger

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<v Speaker 1>or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I dabbled in all the fun, but I

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<v Speaker 4>was writing. Actually, there's a little part in my book

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<v Speaker 4>which is about the beginning of my career where my

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<v Speaker 4>mom and dad really gave me all the tools I

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<v Speaker 4>needed to learn. And it was at their kitchen table

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<v Speaker 4>they taught me to whether I was going to talk

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<v Speaker 4>to the President of the United States or talk to

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<v Speaker 4>the super in my building, that there's a way to

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<v Speaker 4>deal with people that makes life more palatable.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what you want.

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<v Speaker 4>The idea of life is to be happy. The idea

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<v Speaker 4>of life is to try to make somebody else happy

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<v Speaker 4>if you can, if you can, if you can, And

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<v Speaker 4>I've always felt that I wanted that I want to

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<v Speaker 4>get along. My dad actually wrote this in the book too,

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<v Speaker 4>my dad always said, come unarmed.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>My dad was a cop, and whenever he would walk

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<v Speaker 4>into a store that there might be trouble, he would

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<v Speaker 4>always walk in with his left side and try to

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<v Speaker 4>lean to the right, so they never saw his firearm

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<v Speaker 4>because he wanted to come in with the illusion that

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<v Speaker 4>he was unarmed, because people are more comfortable that way.

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<v Speaker 1>But the important one there is the illusion that he's

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<v Speaker 1>on arm.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, the illusion that you're an armed because if you're

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<v Speaker 4>a strong individual, you're going to be you're armed to

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<v Speaker 4>an extent. But you and I are unarmed right now,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, And that's the way we should be all

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<v Speaker 4>the time, even tough guys.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure you meet tough guys.

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<v Speaker 4>And when you meet a tough guy and you're nice

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<v Speaker 4>to him, he's nice to you, and you're both on I.

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<v Speaker 2>Make I make a point of being nice to of course,

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<v Speaker 2>but a little.

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<v Speaker 3>Kids, well, sure you want to make them know.

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<v Speaker 4>You want them to know that in the game, there's

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<v Speaker 4>nothing here to to go.

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<v Speaker 1>What about you know? You said one of the things

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<v Speaker 1>I teach my own kids. This went to anyone who

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<v Speaker 1>wants to know and about show business, I tell and

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<v Speaker 1>I quote you, and I name you and that this

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<v Speaker 1>is the greatest lesson for anyone in show business. And

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<v Speaker 1>you told it to me. It's the Who's Steve Guttenberg.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's take it through it again stages? So it's the

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<v Speaker 1>five stages are who is Steve Guttenberg?

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<v Speaker 4>Get me Steve Gutenberg. I want a Steve Gutenberg type.

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<v Speaker 4>I want a young Steve Guttenberg, And who is Steve Gutenberg?

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<v Speaker 1>I think that is such a chilling, accurate portrayal of

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<v Speaker 1>this business.

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<v Speaker 2>Paul Newman told me that one really was he in

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<v Speaker 2>joe business?

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, no, he was. He sold salad dressing.

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<v Speaker 4>My god, I mean but he said that I'm a

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<v Speaker 4>salad dressing guy man a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's funny though, because he said. The embarrassing thing

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<v Speaker 1>is more money was made in that company. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's for charity, but more money's made in that company

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<v Speaker 1>than he made as an actor. Yeah, that's incredible.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I think that I was on Hollywood Boulevard last night.

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<v Speaker 4>I went to see the musical. Yeah, I wasn't working.

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<v Speaker 4>I saw the musical Missus Doubtfire.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, how was it?

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<v Speaker 4>Which is fantastic, It's really great, but I was looking

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<v Speaker 4>at all the stars on Hollywood Boulevard and all the

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<v Speaker 4>ones that I recognized and the ones I did not recognize,

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<v Speaker 4>And I thought, at each one of those stars, there

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<v Speaker 4>was a ceremony, sure, with maybe hundreds or a thousand

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<v Speaker 4>people screaming this person's name. And now either they're gone

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<v Speaker 4>or something to that effect. So you get a perspective again.

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<v Speaker 1>Doing my what was that gaz appontment? I I am

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<v Speaker 1>osi mundayas gaze of point in my works, he mighty

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<v Speaker 1>in despair? You know, No, it's it's I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>a Byron poem. It's about finding the tomb of Osiman

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<v Speaker 1>die So I think it's based on Rameses the Second,

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<v Speaker 1>Who is the pharaoh in Egypt that lived to be

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<v Speaker 1>ninety two years?

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<v Speaker 3>Sure?

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<v Speaker 1>Right, and like and when the average person was eleventy

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<v Speaker 1>about twenty five, someone lives to ninety two, they really

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<v Speaker 1>do think he's a god. Yeah, and it's like and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was about coming across as two thousand years later.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that you know, you may not know who I am.

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<v Speaker 4>Now you'll know who I am, but I'm gone.

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Goods, who's Ossiman?

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<v Speaker 3>Dad's the game?

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<v Speaker 1>I know?

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<v Speaker 2>And that is the game.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that's the weirdest thing is that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you you see people get I've been killing you this,

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<v Speaker 1>and I wonder, you know, when I was a younger man,

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<v Speaker 1>I believed in the it's still pretty young, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>well a very select group of people. I am still young.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah you're a young guy.

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<v Speaker 1>But when I was a kid, yeah, in this business,

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<v Speaker 1>I believed in the in the legend of show business.

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<v Speaker 1>And I believed in it right up until I did

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<v Speaker 1>Late Night. And then in the ten years I did

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<v Speaker 1>Late Night, I met everybody, sure, everybody sure, And the

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<v Speaker 1>men's to douchebag ratio was about the same as a

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<v Speaker 1>restaurant or a bar or anybody else. Some people were great,

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<v Speaker 1>So people were wressholes And what do you.

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<v Speaker 3>Think that what would you say that percentage is too

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<v Speaker 3>I think.

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<v Speaker 1>It was about seventy five twenty five mensed to douchebag

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<v Speaker 1>right most of the time. Yeah, maybe even a little

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<v Speaker 1>better that most people I think are pretty nice. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because like you say, you want to get along. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want any trouble trying to get along. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want I don't want to. And in fight the older again,

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<v Speaker 1>the more. I'm like, I'm not looking for an argument, right.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why I wonder about like the kids.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, I was trying to get to this when you

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<v Speaker 1>were like when you were you know, kicking off with

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<v Speaker 1>the early part of your career.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about the ly Diner and you know that.

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<v Speaker 1>And that period there's no cell phones, there's no social media,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no like. So if you behave like an idiot,

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<v Speaker 1>or you make a full of yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not public, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>And I feel for the young people right now, young

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<v Speaker 1>performers in particular. It's like, you make a mistake, it's

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<v Speaker 1>there forever, you know, it's yeah, digitously there forever. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I would so. And when I thought the same

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<v Speaker 1>thing about writing, You've written what three books? You ever

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<v Speaker 1>write Anthon in a book and then look at it

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<v Speaker 1>later and go, shit, I don't believe that anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, absolutely, I've done that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, of course. It same in life. Yeah, that you

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<v Speaker 4>change your perspective. Yeah, you know, as when you're at

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<v Speaker 4>a certain age you say this is black, that is black,

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<v Speaker 4>that's the color blue. It's blue, and it's never gonna change.

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<v Speaker 4>It's blue, and then later on you say it actually

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<v Speaker 4>wasn't blue yellow.

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<v Speaker 3>That was yellow.

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<v Speaker 1>It's funny that the no one when to shut up,

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<v Speaker 1>I think is a skill which is underestimated.

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<v Speaker 3>Man.

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<v Speaker 4>You know there's a guy like well, there was a

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<v Speaker 4>mafiosa boss in a back in. You should say, fish

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<v Speaker 4>with closed mouths don't get caught.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's fish with closed that's pretty scary though.

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<v Speaker 3>This just yea, you don't get caught.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't get caught.

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<v Speaker 3>Nothing bad happ nothing bad happen. Yeah, no, no open.

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<v Speaker 1>But you gotta eat.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you gotta be careful.

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<v Speaker 4>You gotta be careful about And I find it in

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<v Speaker 4>life too that I am trying my best. I'm not

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<v Speaker 4>always successful to keep my mouth shut.

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<v Speaker 2>You know I noticed that, you don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, like, I'm sitting here doing a podcast right

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<v Speaker 1>where I talk to people for an hour. My own

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<v Speaker 1>realize I only talk to people I want to talk to.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not a late night show. It's money. Rule is like, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>you know it doesn't It doesn't really even have to

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<v Speaker 1>be about joy. I mean, we call it joy, and

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<v Speaker 1>we'll try and focus it on joy, but it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>really even have to be without. All I has to

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<v Speaker 1>be about is conversation with somebody I want to talk to.

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<v Speaker 1>But even as I say that, I think, should I

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<v Speaker 1>really be doing a podcast because everybody is doing it?

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe I should be quiet?

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<v Speaker 3>Huh.

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<v Speaker 2>And so that's what I'm starting to think right now.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe maybe you actually have a distinctive, intelligent, funny, three

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<v Speaker 4>dimensional way about you, and you're different than a lot

0:26:36.960 --> 0:26:39.840
<v Speaker 4>of guys. The other one side of it, you're trained,

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<v Speaker 4>you you know how to perform, you know how to

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<v Speaker 4>be entertaining. But you're also a very decent human being.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh it depends on who you talk to and when

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<v Speaker 2>they knew me.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't talk to anybody. Yeah, that's that's probably a thing.

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<v Speaker 4>That's probably the one guy gave me like a face

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<v Speaker 4>when I walked in and I said me here, see, Craig.

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<v Speaker 1>Went, oh, like that guy.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I actually didn't know what that meant.

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<v Speaker 3>Now I know what I mean that you said. But

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<v Speaker 3>you're you.

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<v Speaker 1>You do have a very good way about you. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you have a good way about you and your very

0:27:12.359 --> 0:27:14.639
<v Speaker 1>clever way about you because you do this thing. You

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<v Speaker 1>started me talking about me. You got me talking about

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<v Speaker 1>me again.

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<v Speaker 3>Or tell me about I'm interested?

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Well, I'm interested in you.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not like trying to do anything, but I'm interested.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm interested in you. I'm interested in this in

0:27:28.960 --> 0:27:32.080
<v Speaker 1>this period of your life. I mean, look, I'm interested

0:27:32.119 --> 0:27:33.720
<v Speaker 1>in all of it, but I'm interested in the recent

0:27:33.760 --> 0:27:36.520
<v Speaker 1>thing that spurget ray. Look, I've written books. I know

0:27:36.560 --> 0:27:38.560
<v Speaker 1>it's difficult, right, books, It requires a lot of your

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<v Speaker 1>time and usually is emotionally takes a toll. And you

0:27:42.320 --> 0:27:44.720
<v Speaker 1>wrote a book about something that was doing that anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you write the book during that period? Was it

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<v Speaker 1>or was that Catharsis afterwards? That a kind of journal

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<v Speaker 1>at the time.

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<v Speaker 4>Actually, I was doing it sitting next to my dad

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<v Speaker 4>and I would show him pages.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, because a friend of mine, a guy named Jake's

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<v Speaker 4>Einfeld was Body by Jake. Yeah, you reme ever Body

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<v Speaker 4>by Jake?

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<v Speaker 3>Meet Jake?

0:28:05.880 --> 0:28:07.840
<v Speaker 2>I think I might have you never.

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<v Speaker 3>Want to have him on his show? He's like, he's

0:28:09.800 --> 0:28:10.920
<v Speaker 3>super good guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but he lived down at the Palis.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:28:13.800 --> 0:28:15.399
<v Speaker 2>I used to see him in the Starbucks down there.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>He's a good guy if you ever want to and

0:28:17.560 --> 0:28:20.800
<v Speaker 4>he's a terrific talker. He's a great personality. Does he

0:28:20.840 --> 0:28:23.520
<v Speaker 4>still do all that Yeah, he's really engaged.

0:28:23.800 --> 0:28:25.399
<v Speaker 2>See I'm not in that world, so I wouldn't know.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, he invested in broadway shows.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>He just invested in water for elephants okay.

0:28:32.240 --> 0:28:36.119
<v Speaker 4>And he also he does all his exercise equipment and

0:28:36.200 --> 0:28:39.480
<v Speaker 4>he has a sports drink out like a billionaire. He's

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<v Speaker 4>very very well off and a great guy. Comes from

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<v Speaker 4>actually south through a long island when I moved to

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<v Speaker 4>Massapeaker when I was a kid.

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<v Speaker 3>He comes from Baldwin, a couple of towns away.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know what's it's really funny I remember of

0:28:51.480 --> 0:28:54.479
<v Speaker 1>it body by the Body by Jake is that I

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<v Speaker 1>read something that an interview or something he did maybe

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<v Speaker 1>in the nineties, right, and he said, on Sunday a

0:29:00.880 --> 0:29:03.120
<v Speaker 1>bag of M and m's because you got to have

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<v Speaker 1>a day off. And I just I remember that. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if he still does it, but Betty does.

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<v Speaker 1>He said on Sunday, I gotta have a bag every morning.

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<v Speaker 4>He's up at three forty five in his gym. He's

0:29:12.480 --> 0:29:15.440
<v Speaker 4>at the gym at three forty five. Yeah, he's you know,

0:29:15.480 --> 0:29:16.520
<v Speaker 4>but he's a workout guy.

0:29:16.640 --> 0:29:17.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>So anyway, I saw him in the supermarket and he

0:29:19.120 --> 0:29:20.720
<v Speaker 4>said to me, I haven't seen you in a while.

0:29:20.720 --> 0:29:21.200
<v Speaker 3>Where you've been.

0:29:21.200 --> 0:29:23.400
<v Speaker 4>I told him was looking after my dad, and I

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<v Speaker 4>told him a mat He said, I think that's a book.

0:29:25.760 --> 0:29:27.480
<v Speaker 4>He said, I'm gonna call my agent and you're gonna

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<v Speaker 4>talk to my agent, my book agent.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's a book. And that's how it happened.

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<v Speaker 1>So you actually you'd sold the book, and then that's

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<v Speaker 1>good because then you write it.

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<v Speaker 4>I wrote about forty to fifty pages, sent it to

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<v Speaker 4>my agent, Jan Miller, great lady. She sent it around,

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<v Speaker 4>she got a deal, and then I started writing sitting

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<v Speaker 4>next to my dad. Oh man, so he knew it

0:29:46.000 --> 0:29:48.120
<v Speaker 4>was going to happen. Yeah, I didn't know the end

0:29:48.160 --> 0:29:50.000
<v Speaker 4>of the book was my dad was going to pass.

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<v Speaker 4>But man, you see how excited I get. It was

0:29:54.440 --> 0:29:57.680
<v Speaker 4>such a good time being with my dad a lot,

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<v Speaker 4>even though he was sick, which you know, I have

0:30:00.280 --> 0:30:02.680
<v Speaker 4>to I can go to that side and get sad.

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<v Speaker 4>But my my enthusiasm is I got to sit next

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<v Speaker 4>to my dad a lot and write and show my

0:30:11.000 --> 0:30:13.640
<v Speaker 4>dad what I was writing. He would read from the

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<v Speaker 4>computer and meanwhile take care of my dad.

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<v Speaker 1>What was it like when you were a little kid,

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<v Speaker 1>What forged that relationship. You and your sister. Right, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just two kids, is that right?

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<v Speaker 3>We have a third, a second sister. It's Judy and Jersey.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, that's a sitcom, Judy and Jersey. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a sycom.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me call my sakemb.

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<v Speaker 3>God, that is a sitcom. If you met my sister.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, how you sting?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god? You's Judy. Yeah, it's me. It's me.

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<v Speaker 1>It's me.

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<v Speaker 3>It's me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a Jersey.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm a.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm We're going down to the shore. We'll going

0:30:48.680 --> 0:30:51.720
<v Speaker 4>to the shore. She's a great lady, my sister, Judy.

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<v Speaker 4>So we grew up Brooklyn, Flushing, Queen's then massive people,

0:30:57.320 --> 0:30:59.760
<v Speaker 4>Long Island. My dad wanted to get us out of

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<v Speaker 4>the pit, which he thought was Flushing, and we moved

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<v Speaker 4>to Massapequa, a little house in a great neighbor, Long Island,

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<v Speaker 4>midway between you've been to the Hamptons. Midway between New

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<v Speaker 4>York City and the Hampton's about forty five miles near Smithtown,

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<v Speaker 4>not far, probably about fifteen miles in smith Town.

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<v Speaker 2>Smith Town's first place I went to.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh okay, that's yeah, that's mid Island, a little north yea,

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<v Speaker 4>A great town, right, nice people though, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>So you go what easier when you move up to Massapeako.

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<v Speaker 4>We went to massapicer at a seven years old and

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<v Speaker 4>the first thing we did with my dad it was

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<v Speaker 4>one hundred degrees or something. My dad painted the house.

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<v Speaker 4>In the inside of the house. We stayed at a

0:31:37.360 --> 0:31:40.719
<v Speaker 4>friend's house who Ellen and Jerry Kaufman. They're friends from

0:31:40.760 --> 0:31:43.280
<v Speaker 4>Brooklyn when they were kids, and they had air conditioning,

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<v Speaker 4>one air conditioner.

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<v Speaker 3>We stayed there and then my father got done.

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<v Speaker 4>We moved into the house and then my father pulled

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<v Speaker 4>out this machine that was in the garage and it

0:31:53.680 --> 0:31:55.400
<v Speaker 4>was a Toro lawnmower.

0:31:55.560 --> 0:31:55.760
<v Speaker 1>Nice.

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<v Speaker 4>And I remember I was seven years old and I'm

0:31:58.560 --> 0:32:00.840
<v Speaker 4>looking at this machine. My dad looking at the machine,

0:32:00.840 --> 0:32:02.480
<v Speaker 4>and we both said what do we do with it?

0:32:03.000 --> 0:32:05.640
<v Speaker 4>And my dad said, I think this cuts the grass?

0:32:06.040 --> 0:32:09.360
<v Speaker 4>And uh, you know, we never cut grass. So my

0:32:09.440 --> 0:32:11.920
<v Speaker 4>dad said, okay, I gotta get any ask the neighbor.

0:32:12.160 --> 0:32:14.640
<v Speaker 4>The neighbor told him, you know, you get gasoline, you

0:32:14.680 --> 0:32:18.000
<v Speaker 4>put it in, you pull the ripcord like a mini bike.

0:32:18.280 --> 0:32:20.520
<v Speaker 4>You started up and you mow and then you empty

0:32:20.600 --> 0:32:23.360
<v Speaker 4>the bank. So we the first day we were there.

0:32:23.960 --> 0:32:28.440
<v Speaker 4>My dad and I cut the lawn and my sneakers

0:32:28.480 --> 0:32:29.880
<v Speaker 4>and his sneakers got green.

0:32:30.720 --> 0:32:31.400
<v Speaker 3>They got green.

0:32:31.520 --> 0:32:33.720
<v Speaker 1>Yes, that would happen, because you know, you're walking.

0:32:33.480 --> 0:32:36.280
<v Speaker 4>On there and it's a little little wet, and the

0:32:36.320 --> 0:32:41.080
<v Speaker 4>grass looked like like like velvet, like like emerald green velvet.

0:32:41.120 --> 0:32:44.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm a dad, I understand the story of lawn man.

0:32:44.200 --> 0:32:46.680
<v Speaker 4>So we did it, and we and my dad said,

0:32:46.960 --> 0:32:50.160
<v Speaker 4>we are suburbanites. And I wrote this in the book.

0:32:50.680 --> 0:32:52.960
<v Speaker 4>It was such a joy for me. I went, what's

0:32:52.960 --> 0:32:57.440
<v Speaker 4>a suburbanite? He goes, we live in suburbia. What is suburbia.

0:32:57.520 --> 0:33:02.680
<v Speaker 4>Suburbia is where all everybody has they're individual houses. That's suburbia.

0:33:02.880 --> 0:33:06.080
<v Speaker 4>We all have a little bit of land, our land.

0:33:06.880 --> 0:33:08.880
<v Speaker 4>And I never forget. He said, take your shoes off,

0:33:09.240 --> 0:33:11.320
<v Speaker 4>take your take your socks off. I took my shoes

0:33:11.320 --> 0:33:13.560
<v Speaker 4>and socks off. He said, walk around the grass. And

0:33:13.520 --> 0:33:16.560
<v Speaker 4>I'm walking around the grass. He goes, this is your land.

0:33:16.880 --> 0:33:20.160
<v Speaker 4>You own this land. When you live in an apartment,

0:33:20.200 --> 0:33:22.960
<v Speaker 4>you don't own any land, right, you own this land.

0:33:22.960 --> 0:33:24.880
<v Speaker 3>This is your land, your suburbanite.

0:33:25.280 --> 0:33:27.360
<v Speaker 2>That's kind of great. Are you still a suburbanite?

0:33:27.400 --> 0:33:30.920
<v Speaker 4>You think no, I don't consider myself a suburbanite, even

0:33:30.960 --> 0:33:34.120
<v Speaker 4>though I live in Pacific Palisades. I don't really consider

0:33:34.160 --> 0:33:36.640
<v Speaker 4>that suburbia. Kind of find that La is sort of

0:33:37.120 --> 0:33:38.520
<v Speaker 4>one big city in a way.

0:33:38.680 --> 0:33:42.160
<v Speaker 1>It's I think La could almost be one big suburbia

0:33:42.280 --> 0:33:45.400
<v Speaker 1>as well. It's kind of like that. I mean, where

0:33:45.400 --> 0:33:46.280
<v Speaker 1>we are right now.

0:33:46.120 --> 0:33:48.880
<v Speaker 3>It's kind of this is city right well right would

0:33:48.880 --> 0:33:50.040
<v Speaker 3>you say, yeah, Hollywood?

0:33:50.080 --> 0:33:51.800
<v Speaker 4>But I think if you go out to Valencia or

0:33:51.840 --> 0:33:57.000
<v Speaker 4>something like that, that's more suburbia is really from to me,

0:33:57.680 --> 0:34:02.080
<v Speaker 4>an actual city with sky scrapers, big buildings.

0:34:01.640 --> 0:34:04.680
<v Speaker 1>Like a downtown, and then yeah.

0:34:04.280 --> 0:34:07.760
<v Speaker 4>That's suburbia. This is La is kind of a sprawl,

0:34:07.960 --> 0:34:10.399
<v Speaker 4>you know. Yeah, it's an odd town.

0:34:10.520 --> 0:34:10.640
<v Speaker 3>La.

0:34:10.719 --> 0:34:14.000
<v Speaker 1>I remember coming here and thinking we're trying to find

0:34:14.040 --> 0:34:16.160
<v Speaker 1>where it was, right, Like, where's the.

0:34:16.320 --> 0:34:18.520
<v Speaker 3>Where's the bed, there's where's the center.

0:34:18.360 --> 0:34:20.080
<v Speaker 1>Where's where's downtown, where's the thing.

0:34:20.480 --> 0:34:21.520
<v Speaker 3>It's a hard city that way.

0:34:21.520 --> 0:34:24.560
<v Speaker 4>It's a sprawl, yeah, and I think that's the disadvantage

0:34:24.600 --> 0:34:25.000
<v Speaker 4>to La.

0:34:25.280 --> 0:34:26.359
<v Speaker 3>La has been great to us.

0:34:26.560 --> 0:34:28.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's been great to me. I don't live here anymore.

0:34:28.920 --> 0:34:29.799
<v Speaker 1>I live on the East Coast.

0:34:29.960 --> 0:34:30.560
<v Speaker 3>Where do you live?

0:34:30.680 --> 0:34:31.760
<v Speaker 2>I live in New York City.

0:34:32.320 --> 0:34:35.440
<v Speaker 1>You do learn in New York City, and I've got

0:34:35.480 --> 0:34:37.279
<v Speaker 1>a little place out in New York City as well,

0:34:37.280 --> 0:34:40.160
<v Speaker 1>but I'm in I'm on the East coast. Oh.

0:34:40.239 --> 0:34:41.399
<v Speaker 3>Where in the city do you live?

0:34:41.520 --> 0:34:43.400
<v Speaker 2>Manhattan Upper East Side?

0:34:43.480 --> 0:34:44.960
<v Speaker 3>Oh you do so.

0:34:45.080 --> 0:34:47.680
<v Speaker 4>I lived on Columbus in sixty seventh for twenty years.

0:34:47.719 --> 0:34:48.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's great.

0:34:49.440 --> 0:34:51.279
<v Speaker 3>You live in the sixtiese. You don't want to say

0:34:51.440 --> 0:34:53.360
<v Speaker 3>a little north of that? But okay, great?

0:34:53.400 --> 0:34:57.440
<v Speaker 4>And how far from like Lexington Park, Fifth Avenue and all.

0:34:57.600 --> 0:34:59.279
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, right around there, right around there.

0:34:59.680 --> 0:35:01.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's fantastic.

0:35:01.239 --> 0:35:03.600
<v Speaker 3>And your kids are the round there too. Well.

0:35:04.719 --> 0:35:07.600
<v Speaker 1>My oldest boy now lives out in Jersey.

0:35:07.719 --> 0:35:09.200
<v Speaker 3>Oh he does. We're in Jersey.

0:35:09.320 --> 0:35:11.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, I can say.

0:35:11.080 --> 0:35:13.200
<v Speaker 3>Okay, my sister lives in Scotch Plains.

0:35:13.239 --> 0:35:16.040
<v Speaker 1>Really yeah, well they kind of like because for young

0:35:16.040 --> 0:35:18.720
<v Speaker 1>people affording places to live and work.

0:35:18.760 --> 0:35:20.959
<v Speaker 3>In my nattan is not great. He's got a house.

0:35:21.120 --> 0:35:23.000
<v Speaker 1>He's got a little house with his buddies and they

0:35:23.040 --> 0:35:25.600
<v Speaker 1>all live together, and they work together, and they do

0:35:25.680 --> 0:35:25.960
<v Speaker 1>a thing.

0:35:26.040 --> 0:35:27.759
<v Speaker 3>It SATs about forty five minutes of the shit.

0:35:27.760 --> 0:35:30.040
<v Speaker 1>It's nothing. I mean, it's like over the George Washington Bridge.

0:35:30.080 --> 0:35:32.279
<v Speaker 1>I have this like thing with my wife though every

0:35:32.280 --> 0:35:34.920
<v Speaker 1>time she goes over the torch the bridge, I try

0:35:34.960 --> 0:35:38.680
<v Speaker 1>and take a photograph over because my wife's Yankee.

0:35:39.080 --> 0:35:40.640
<v Speaker 2>She doesn't like going to Jersey.

0:35:40.960 --> 0:35:43.799
<v Speaker 4>She doesn't know I understand. It makes it's a weird thing.

0:35:44.280 --> 0:35:45.120
<v Speaker 4>It is a weird thing.

0:35:45.280 --> 0:35:48.080
<v Speaker 3>I know. I just started to love Jersey.

0:35:48.320 --> 0:35:51.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, I love Jersey. I'll tell you about

0:35:51.480 --> 0:35:53.680
<v Speaker 1>Long Island though. When I went to Long Island for

0:35:53.719 --> 0:35:55.520
<v Speaker 1>the first time, I came to America, I was thirteen

0:35:55.600 --> 0:35:58.239
<v Speaker 1>years old. I came over with my dad. Me and

0:35:58.239 --> 0:36:00.160
<v Speaker 1>my dad came over because they were cheap flight. It's

0:36:00.160 --> 0:36:03.799
<v Speaker 1>from Scotland and my uncle James lived in Smithtown, Long Island.

0:36:04.280 --> 0:36:06.839
<v Speaker 1>Uncle James and my aunts is. So we go there.

0:36:06.920 --> 0:36:08.440
<v Speaker 2>We get these cheap flight I never had it.

0:36:08.480 --> 0:36:11.080
<v Speaker 1>This is before a really cheap flights flew to Kennedy.

0:36:11.120 --> 0:36:14.480
<v Speaker 1>We flewent at Kennedy from Preswick and Scotland direct flight

0:36:14.800 --> 0:36:19.000
<v Speaker 1>on a DC ten Laker airway yeah lak yeah. And

0:36:19.040 --> 0:36:22.000
<v Speaker 1>we went to Smithtown and the first night, maybe the

0:36:22.040 --> 0:36:24.600
<v Speaker 1>second night we were there, we go to a bowling alley.

0:36:24.640 --> 0:36:29.160
<v Speaker 1>I'd never been a and I go there and they said,

0:36:29.280 --> 0:36:32.560
<v Speaker 1>do you want to root beer? And I thought I'd

0:36:32.600 --> 0:36:33.520
<v Speaker 1>never heard of beer.

0:36:34.080 --> 0:36:35.160
<v Speaker 3>Thought, it's a beer.

0:36:35.239 --> 0:36:35.880
<v Speaker 2>It's a beer.

0:36:36.400 --> 0:36:39.839
<v Speaker 1>So do you want a root beer? And I went, yes, yes,

0:36:39.920 --> 0:36:42.120
<v Speaker 1>I want a root beer and they gave me. I

0:36:42.160 --> 0:36:45.080
<v Speaker 1>remember to this day a root beer over crushed ice

0:36:45.640 --> 0:36:48.080
<v Speaker 1>in a bowling alley and Long Island and I drank

0:36:48.120 --> 0:36:51.600
<v Speaker 1>it and I went, whatever this is and whoever these

0:36:51.640 --> 0:36:55.560
<v Speaker 1>people are, I need to be part of this and that.

0:36:55.640 --> 0:36:58.680
<v Speaker 1>I still will drink root beer over crushed especially in

0:36:58.719 --> 0:36:59.080
<v Speaker 1>the summer.

0:36:59.120 --> 0:36:59.960
<v Speaker 3>I love. It's the best.

0:37:00.040 --> 0:37:03.120
<v Speaker 1>It's the greatest. And I occasionally will go to a

0:37:03.160 --> 0:37:03.800
<v Speaker 1>bowling alley.

0:37:04.120 --> 0:37:06.280
<v Speaker 3>Oh I'm a ball. I got my own ball.

0:37:06.680 --> 0:37:09.319
<v Speaker 1>Shut up, you actually bowl like a bit? I mean

0:37:09.400 --> 0:37:11.440
<v Speaker 1>you never really left Long Island, then, did you.

0:37:11.600 --> 0:37:13.480
<v Speaker 3>I don't talk about it a lot, no, but you know,

0:37:13.560 --> 0:37:14.120
<v Speaker 3>but I have.

0:37:14.320 --> 0:37:16.800
<v Speaker 2>Because you know, fish with closed nuts.

0:37:16.640 --> 0:37:17.759
<v Speaker 3>Don't get a car.

0:37:18.080 --> 0:37:20.520
<v Speaker 4>But I actually have a bowling ball with my dad's

0:37:20.600 --> 0:37:24.239
<v Speaker 4>name on it, really and it has an Army insignia

0:37:24.320 --> 0:37:26.880
<v Speaker 4>on it. Yeah, and my wife got for me and

0:37:26.920 --> 0:37:30.120
<v Speaker 4>it's in the car right now. So I want to

0:37:30.160 --> 0:37:31.960
<v Speaker 4>go bowling if you want to go to bowling.

0:37:32.080 --> 0:37:34.960
<v Speaker 1>I suck at bawling, all right, yeah, but that's good.

0:37:35.000 --> 0:37:38.359
<v Speaker 1>That's good for you because then you win. Well, it's

0:37:38.360 --> 0:37:40.279
<v Speaker 1>not about can we can we put the bumpers up

0:37:40.320 --> 0:37:40.560
<v Speaker 1>for me?

0:37:40.680 --> 0:37:43.520
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, of course, if you want, I'll lay on the

0:37:43.680 --> 0:37:46.319
<v Speaker 4>on the alley.

0:37:44.560 --> 0:37:48.040
<v Speaker 2>And I love that.

0:37:48.239 --> 0:37:49.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I love that.

0:37:49.200 --> 0:37:50.839
<v Speaker 1>So that was a bonden thing with your dad when

0:37:50.840 --> 0:37:52.360
<v Speaker 1>you were when you became a suburban night when you

0:37:52.360 --> 0:37:52.640
<v Speaker 1>were a kid.

0:37:52.680 --> 0:37:54.200
<v Speaker 3>Then you went we went bowling.

0:37:54.400 --> 0:37:57.879
<v Speaker 4>We went bowling, and we played tennis and my dad

0:37:57.880 --> 0:38:01.640
<v Speaker 4>took me to met games and and uh but wait

0:38:01.680 --> 0:38:03.719
<v Speaker 4>wait when you were in Smithtown, did you go to

0:38:03.719 --> 0:38:05.960
<v Speaker 4>the the the water? Did you go to Long Island

0:38:05.960 --> 0:38:06.839
<v Speaker 4>Sound and cupar Water?

0:38:06.920 --> 0:38:10.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Yeah, I went to Long Island Sound and the U.

0:38:11.600 --> 0:38:14.600
<v Speaker 1>I went to see my first ever concert. Oh wait

0:38:14.800 --> 0:38:15.560
<v Speaker 1>in Smithtown.

0:38:15.760 --> 0:38:17.359
<v Speaker 3>Wait? Oh in like in one of the parks.

0:38:17.440 --> 0:38:19.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was no, it was like it was first

0:38:19.320 --> 0:38:20.160
<v Speaker 2>of a rock concert.

0:38:20.719 --> 0:38:21.800
<v Speaker 1>I think it was. I don't know what it was

0:38:21.800 --> 0:38:25.080
<v Speaker 1>called Smithtown Arena or something. It was Blue Oyster Cult.

0:38:25.160 --> 0:38:25.719
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

0:38:25.920 --> 0:38:28.080
<v Speaker 1>Cool, yeah, very cool. That was the first concert.

0:38:28.160 --> 0:38:30.239
<v Speaker 3>Oh that's very out takeing. Wow, blue icel color.

0:38:30.360 --> 0:38:34.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah wow. Yeah. And I that's when I first smelled

0:38:34.480 --> 0:38:36.239
<v Speaker 1>what the kids are now calling the marijuan.

0:38:36.800 --> 0:38:38.719
<v Speaker 3>Oh wow, were they smoking marijuana? There?

0:38:38.960 --> 0:38:39.839
<v Speaker 2>Some people were.

0:38:40.160 --> 0:38:40.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:38:40.680 --> 0:38:42.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you know this, but marijuana has

0:38:42.680 --> 0:38:45.880
<v Speaker 1>been around for like over twenty five years.

0:38:46.080 --> 0:38:49.319
<v Speaker 3>I mean, yeah, someone told me that, but I never

0:38:49.400 --> 0:38:51.919
<v Speaker 3>did You never smoke it? I did, I never cared

0:38:51.960 --> 0:38:53.200
<v Speaker 3>for Did you like it? I liked it.

0:38:53.280 --> 0:38:53.759
<v Speaker 2>I liked it.

0:38:53.800 --> 0:38:54.840
<v Speaker 3>I don't smoke it anymore.

0:38:54.840 --> 0:38:58.000
<v Speaker 2>But I like sense of you being someone who medicates

0:38:58.000 --> 0:38:58.239
<v Speaker 2>it all.

0:38:58.440 --> 0:39:00.440
<v Speaker 3>No, no, I actually I don't even drink.

0:39:01.000 --> 0:39:01.959
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you never drank.

0:39:02.040 --> 0:39:04.960
<v Speaker 4>I did you have an occasional glass of wine? Yeah,

0:39:05.040 --> 0:39:07.799
<v Speaker 4>it's just not sort of my thing is like ginger ale.

0:39:07.840 --> 0:39:07.960
<v Speaker 1>Now.

0:39:07.960 --> 0:39:08.440
<v Speaker 3>I don't know why.

0:39:08.560 --> 0:39:11.600
<v Speaker 4>I just like tody good for the for the stomach

0:39:11.680 --> 0:39:14.160
<v Speaker 4>or whatever. But you know what I got to tell you.

0:39:14.200 --> 0:39:17.080
<v Speaker 4>I think when I stopped smoking weed, and I didn't

0:39:17.120 --> 0:39:21.959
<v Speaker 4>and I just it wasn't a sober program. I just stopped. Yeah,

0:39:22.040 --> 0:39:26.040
<v Speaker 4>I start seeing that when you're very clear. It's kind

0:39:26.040 --> 0:39:28.360
<v Speaker 4>of like when you were thirteen years old and someone

0:39:28.360 --> 0:39:31.520
<v Speaker 4>would say, Hey, we're going to an amusement park Saturday night,

0:39:31.480 --> 0:39:33.000
<v Speaker 4>and it's Tuesday and Wednesday.

0:39:33.000 --> 0:39:33.200
<v Speaker 3>You go.

0:39:33.520 --> 0:39:36.080
<v Speaker 4>Saturday night, we're going to amusement park. And Thursday afternoon

0:39:36.080 --> 0:39:38.680
<v Speaker 4>you're going. It's only a few days, so Saturday and

0:39:38.719 --> 0:39:41.040
<v Speaker 4>then you know, a Friday, you go like, one more day,

0:39:41.080 --> 0:39:43.960
<v Speaker 4>we're going. There's an excitement, there's a thrill, there's a

0:39:44.040 --> 0:39:49.399
<v Speaker 4>normal not normal, there's a natural enthusiasm that comes out

0:39:49.440 --> 0:39:52.720
<v Speaker 4>of you when you don't have anything else in your body.

0:39:52.920 --> 0:39:56.359
<v Speaker 1>I agree. And what was interesting is I think there's

0:39:56.360 --> 0:40:01.080
<v Speaker 1>a lie paramit about drugs and alcohol particular, that they

0:40:01.120 --> 0:40:05.880
<v Speaker 1>have some kind of creative advantage. Like and then you

0:40:05.880 --> 0:40:08.560
<v Speaker 1>know the people they always talk about drunk poets or

0:40:08.600 --> 0:40:12.600
<v Speaker 1>drunk artists, and you go, well, you know, Mgdigliani was

0:40:12.640 --> 0:40:15.279
<v Speaker 1>a great painter. He was an alcoholic and he died young,

0:40:16.040 --> 0:40:19.440
<v Speaker 1>but he was a great painter. Picasso also a great painter,

0:40:19.520 --> 0:40:21.560
<v Speaker 1>painted for a long time, not an alcoholic at all,

0:40:22.080 --> 0:40:24.600
<v Speaker 1>lived to be in his nineties, painted a lot. Now.

0:40:24.680 --> 0:40:27.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if Mugdiglianny would have painted any better

0:40:27.520 --> 0:40:29.960
<v Speaker 1>if he had not been drinking. But my theory is

0:40:30.000 --> 0:40:34.560
<v Speaker 1>people who are great artists and are great drunks are

0:40:34.560 --> 0:40:36.680
<v Speaker 1>great artists despite.

0:40:36.120 --> 0:40:38.840
<v Speaker 2>The drugs alcohol, not because of the drugs.

0:40:38.960 --> 0:40:39.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:40:39.200 --> 0:40:42.040
<v Speaker 1>Alcohol. I think that that that that talent and that

0:40:42.160 --> 0:40:46.760
<v Speaker 1>vision in that genius cuts through the mud of that stuff.

0:40:46.800 --> 0:40:49.000
<v Speaker 1>Because I felt that do I remember talking to someone

0:40:49.040 --> 0:40:51.440
<v Speaker 1>when I first got sober, and and he said to me,

0:40:51.520 --> 0:40:54.600
<v Speaker 1>let's call him my sponsor. And I said, when I

0:40:54.640 --> 0:40:56.879
<v Speaker 1>go to when I go. I went to a party

0:40:56.960 --> 0:40:58.319
<v Speaker 1>last night, and when I walked to I didn't know

0:40:58.320 --> 0:41:00.880
<v Speaker 1>anyone there. I felt kind of shy, awkward. It's weird,

0:41:01.160 --> 0:41:04.399
<v Speaker 1>he went, that's a normal human response to walking into

0:41:04.400 --> 0:41:06.319
<v Speaker 1>a room where you don't know a bunch of people.

0:41:06.800 --> 0:41:07.800
<v Speaker 2>You feel shy and awkward.

0:41:07.800 --> 0:41:08.799
<v Speaker 3>That's what it feels like.

0:41:09.239 --> 0:41:13.400
<v Speaker 1>So welcome to yet another emotion that you might not

0:41:13.480 --> 0:41:14.279
<v Speaker 1>have experienced.

0:41:14.920 --> 0:41:18.640
<v Speaker 3>And it's and it's it's actually okay, okay, you are

0:41:18.680 --> 0:41:18.960
<v Speaker 3>going to go.

0:41:19.680 --> 0:41:20.959
<v Speaker 1>I feel shy, okay, and then all.

0:41:20.840 --> 0:41:22.520
<v Speaker 3>Of a sudden someone comes over and says, hello.

0:41:22.480 --> 0:41:23.279
<v Speaker 2>Someone will talk to you.

0:41:23.520 --> 0:41:27.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, although now you know I was young and cute.

0:41:27.200 --> 0:41:29.640
<v Speaker 1>Then now if I if I stand there, somebody more

0:41:29.680 --> 0:41:31.279
<v Speaker 1>and go, I don't know who you are.

0:41:32.560 --> 0:41:33.839
<v Speaker 3>I don't know who I don't know.

0:41:33.760 --> 0:41:36.959
<v Speaker 1>Who you are, but my friends think you're rubbish.

0:41:37.239 --> 0:41:37.799
<v Speaker 3>No, I know.

0:41:45.320 --> 0:41:52.400
<v Speaker 1>What gets you through the really because you are relentlessly positive.

0:41:52.960 --> 0:41:54.759
<v Speaker 1>And I'm trying to figure out where that comes from.

0:41:55.160 --> 0:41:59.560
<v Speaker 1>Like it's your it's your childhood, I would say, But

0:41:59.640 --> 0:42:02.880
<v Speaker 1>you ended up going you had a Juilliard or something, right.

0:42:02.840 --> 0:42:04.840
<v Speaker 3>First summer, Yeah, with John Housman.

0:42:04.880 --> 0:42:07.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right, so that's pretty fancy actor.

0:42:07.760 --> 0:42:11.440
<v Speaker 1>So I can't see how you go from like frankle

0:42:11.480 --> 0:42:15.920
<v Speaker 1>face kid of an.

0:42:14.320 --> 0:42:17.560
<v Speaker 2>Army ranger going to be an actor. How does that happen?

0:42:17.640 --> 0:42:17.839
<v Speaker 3>Dude?

0:42:17.840 --> 0:42:20.480
<v Speaker 4>Well, when we had a family friend who was an actor,

0:42:21.360 --> 0:42:24.799
<v Speaker 4>and he was my parents' friend from Brooklyn, right, And

0:42:24.920 --> 0:42:27.000
<v Speaker 4>they grew up with him, and his name was Michael Bell.

0:42:27.160 --> 0:42:29.720
<v Speaker 4>Super talented guy, went to the high school performing arts,

0:42:30.080 --> 0:42:34.160
<v Speaker 4>went out to California, started becoming actor. But he was

0:42:34.480 --> 0:42:37.400
<v Speaker 4>brilliant with his voice, so he became one of the

0:42:37.400 --> 0:42:41.160
<v Speaker 4>top ten voiceover guys in the world. Paul Freezer did

0:42:41.200 --> 0:42:43.840
<v Speaker 4>Disney and he was that he was in that league

0:42:44.280 --> 0:42:45.600
<v Speaker 4>and he did and.

0:42:45.440 --> 0:42:48.399
<v Speaker 1>He so that they had been demystified as a thing.

0:42:48.480 --> 0:42:50.839
<v Speaker 1>To your parents, yeah, they knew it was a legitimate

0:42:50.880 --> 0:42:52.120
<v Speaker 1>business and right right.

0:42:52.440 --> 0:42:54.399
<v Speaker 4>And he would come and visit us all the time.

0:42:54.480 --> 0:42:56.680
<v Speaker 4>He was successful. Somebody said to me, what do you

0:42:56.680 --> 0:42:58.160
<v Speaker 4>want to do? I said, what does Michael Bell do?

0:42:58.840 --> 0:43:01.520
<v Speaker 4>Because he's got a cat lacke, and he's got great girlfriends,

0:43:01.560 --> 0:43:02.239
<v Speaker 4>and he's got money.

0:43:02.280 --> 0:43:03.960
<v Speaker 3>I want to see. And they said he was an actor.

0:43:03.960 --> 0:43:04.760
<v Speaker 3>I want to be an actor.

0:43:04.880 --> 0:43:05.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:43:05.400 --> 0:43:08.520
<v Speaker 4>So I started doing children's theater when I was twelve,

0:43:08.840 --> 0:43:11.960
<v Speaker 4>then going to the city and taking classes, taking classes

0:43:11.960 --> 0:43:16.080
<v Speaker 4>on Long Island. And when I was seventeen, my parents

0:43:16.160 --> 0:43:18.799
<v Speaker 4>and I talk about this in the book. My parents

0:43:18.840 --> 0:43:22.200
<v Speaker 4>gave me three hundred dollars and they let me go

0:43:22.280 --> 0:43:24.919
<v Speaker 4>out to California and I had two weeks to become

0:43:24.920 --> 0:43:28.359
<v Speaker 4>a movie star. Well how much how much time does

0:43:28.400 --> 0:43:28.600
<v Speaker 4>it take?

0:43:28.680 --> 0:43:28.879
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

0:43:28.880 --> 0:43:31.600
<v Speaker 4>Probably, you know, two weeks. Two weeks, so ten days.

0:43:32.120 --> 0:43:34.800
<v Speaker 4>So I went out there and I got a commercial.

0:43:35.560 --> 0:43:37.560
<v Speaker 4>I got a Kentucky Fried Chicken commercial. They let me

0:43:37.560 --> 0:43:39.719
<v Speaker 4>stay a little longer. I got a little movie with

0:43:39.760 --> 0:43:40.719
<v Speaker 4>Phil Silvers.

0:43:41.239 --> 0:43:44.560
<v Speaker 3>No, yeah, with Bill Cool. Yeah. Did you ever meet

0:43:44.560 --> 0:43:44.839
<v Speaker 3>the guy?

0:43:45.000 --> 0:43:45.080
<v Speaker 1>No?

0:43:45.360 --> 0:43:48.480
<v Speaker 3>I never did Cool. God, Oh my god, really.

0:43:48.280 --> 0:43:50.240
<v Speaker 1>Cool talking about your legends.

0:43:49.960 --> 0:43:55.160
<v Speaker 4>Comedy Yeah, wow, so exciting. And he also it was

0:43:55.200 --> 0:43:58.719
<v Speaker 4>he told a very funny story. He said that he

0:43:58.760 --> 0:44:02.560
<v Speaker 4>said he was very famous for having a large yeah

0:44:02.640 --> 0:44:05.120
<v Speaker 4>you know, yeah yeah, And and Milton Burrell also had

0:44:05.520 --> 0:44:09.440
<v Speaker 4>I believe that's true, and Forrest Tucker, the great actor,

0:44:10.000 --> 0:44:11.640
<v Speaker 4>and then the story goes.

0:44:12.840 --> 0:44:15.719
<v Speaker 1>Liam Neeson also, oh really, I don't know if it's true.

0:44:15.760 --> 0:44:17.080
<v Speaker 1>I just tear to the scuttle lot.

0:44:17.160 --> 0:44:19.799
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, but he's a he's a he's a

0:44:19.920 --> 0:44:21.000
<v Speaker 3>he's a confident guy.

0:44:21.120 --> 0:44:24.160
<v Speaker 1>Confident guy, great guy. I don't I don't know the gentleman.

0:44:24.320 --> 0:44:26.960
<v Speaker 3>But let me tell you something about that. Liam Neeson. Yeah,

0:44:27.239 --> 0:44:30.440
<v Speaker 3>nice guy, nice guy, one of the and funny.

0:44:30.560 --> 0:44:31.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, very funny.

0:44:31.760 --> 0:44:32.160
<v Speaker 1>Really.

0:44:32.480 --> 0:44:34.520
<v Speaker 2>You see him in the Ted movie where he's, oh.

0:44:34.360 --> 0:44:38.320
<v Speaker 4>My god was great and he does great imitations.

0:44:38.480 --> 0:44:40.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah does he? He does.

0:44:40.719 --> 0:44:43.960
<v Speaker 4>He does great imitations and he's really funny.

0:44:44.120 --> 0:44:47.759
<v Speaker 1>And uh and so apparently anyway, you're apparently he's in

0:44:47.800 --> 0:44:49.800
<v Speaker 1>the Phil Silver's Milton Barrel.

0:44:49.880 --> 0:44:50.760
<v Speaker 3>He's really funny.

0:44:50.960 --> 0:44:52.600
<v Speaker 4>They say, well, so he's a he's a you know,

0:44:52.840 --> 0:44:55.799
<v Speaker 4>but I'm sure you're a big guy too, you're you know, Hey,

0:44:55.840 --> 0:44:57.879
<v Speaker 4>you don't want to say anything, but anyway, the story

0:44:57.920 --> 0:45:01.240
<v Speaker 4>goes to Milton Burrell and and for Stucker. We're having

0:45:01.280 --> 0:45:04.919
<v Speaker 4>a contest, and Fartucker said, the only way to see

0:45:04.960 --> 0:45:06.400
<v Speaker 4>what is so let's lay him on the table.

0:45:06.719 --> 0:45:08.960
<v Speaker 3>So Partstucker laid his on the.

0:45:08.920 --> 0:45:11.480
<v Speaker 4>Table, and Milton Burle laid his on the table, and

0:45:11.520 --> 0:45:14.920
<v Speaker 4>Milton weren't won, right, And Milton said to Phil Simmers,

0:45:15.000 --> 0:45:16.319
<v Speaker 4>goes good I'm glad you won.

0:45:16.480 --> 0:45:18.200
<v Speaker 3>How'd you do it? He goes, I only took out

0:45:18.320 --> 0:45:18.839
<v Speaker 3>enough to win.

0:45:22.120 --> 0:45:25.880
<v Speaker 4>But Phil Simmers really really great guy and wonderful, wonderful

0:45:25.880 --> 0:45:27.120
<v Speaker 4>actor and funny as hell.

0:45:27.600 --> 0:45:30.440
<v Speaker 1>So so your parents are impressed now because now you're

0:45:30.440 --> 0:45:31.359
<v Speaker 1>working with a big stock.

0:45:31.440 --> 0:45:33.720
<v Speaker 4>Then I did a big TV movie which called Something

0:45:33.760 --> 0:45:37.960
<v Speaker 4>for Joey about John Cappelletti, a football legend, and after

0:45:38.000 --> 0:45:40.799
<v Speaker 4>a year I quit. I just did not like la

0:45:41.040 --> 0:45:43.000
<v Speaker 4>I didn't like the culture out here.

0:45:43.200 --> 0:45:45.200
<v Speaker 3>It's tough, it is. It's a brutal town.

0:45:45.280 --> 0:45:45.919
<v Speaker 1>It's tough.

0:45:46.080 --> 0:45:47.160
<v Speaker 3>It really is a brutal town.

0:45:47.280 --> 0:45:50.560
<v Speaker 4>And I went back to school in Albany State and

0:45:50.600 --> 0:45:53.399
<v Speaker 4>I got another call about six months into it from

0:45:53.440 --> 0:45:55.840
<v Speaker 4>my agent to say, do you want to do the

0:45:55.880 --> 0:45:57.080
<v Speaker 4>Boys from Brazil? A?

0:45:57.680 --> 0:46:00.399
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I forgot you were that yeah right.

0:46:00.480 --> 0:46:03.040
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and they're going to remake it. Actually, yeah, they're

0:46:03.040 --> 0:46:05.319
<v Speaker 4>gonna remake it. It's when I heard, so I went over.

0:46:05.640 --> 0:46:08.360
<v Speaker 4>I took the job and went to Portugal and worked

0:46:08.400 --> 0:46:08.799
<v Speaker 4>with uh.

0:46:10.680 --> 0:46:10.919
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:46:11.120 --> 0:46:13.920
<v Speaker 4>But but because it's science fiction, it was kind of

0:46:14.040 --> 0:46:17.239
<v Speaker 4>takes the little darkness off because it's it's fiction, you know,

0:46:17.480 --> 0:46:20.400
<v Speaker 4>you know, of course, yeah, it's just fiction. You know,

0:46:20.880 --> 0:46:26.120
<v Speaker 4>so they The story goes that this scientist Mengal took

0:46:26.160 --> 0:46:30.720
<v Speaker 4>all of Hitler's DNA when he passed and was injecting

0:46:30.800 --> 0:46:34.800
<v Speaker 4>it into pregnant women so that they would have little Hitlers,

0:46:35.400 --> 0:46:39.480
<v Speaker 4>and that actually the little Hitlers all were identical, maybe

0:46:39.680 --> 0:46:40.480
<v Speaker 4>five hundred of them.

0:46:41.480 --> 0:46:42.880
<v Speaker 3>A little mustache.

0:46:42.440 --> 0:46:45.960
<v Speaker 4>And you know he when they say do you want cheerios?

0:46:46.280 --> 0:46:48.319
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of when I think about it, it's kind

0:46:48.360 --> 0:46:48.840
<v Speaker 1>of a stupid.

0:46:49.719 --> 0:46:52.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's actually if you want to, you know, play.

0:46:52.320 --> 0:46:56.080
<v Speaker 4>But it was directed by this great director, Frank Franklin Schaffner,

0:46:56.480 --> 0:47:02.239
<v Speaker 4>who directed Patent the first Planet of the Apes. All Man,

0:47:02.280 --> 0:47:04.680
<v Speaker 4>you did live television. It was brilliant. You know, you

0:47:04.719 --> 0:47:07.640
<v Speaker 4>got Greg Pack, you got Larry Olivia, you got James Mason,

0:47:07.680 --> 0:47:08.200
<v Speaker 4>you got.

0:47:08.120 --> 0:47:09.240
<v Speaker 2>Ud I'm heavy.

0:47:09.280 --> 0:47:12.759
<v Speaker 1>It's a pretty cool group. So and I Remeben said.

0:47:12.760 --> 0:47:14.880
<v Speaker 1>The greatest thing about performance I ever heard, tell me.

0:47:15.880 --> 0:47:17.440
<v Speaker 1>I think about that when people say do you just

0:47:17.480 --> 0:47:19.520
<v Speaker 1>make up your stuff on stage? When you're doing it,

0:47:19.520 --> 0:47:21.239
<v Speaker 1>You're just like, oh, do you know what you're going

0:47:21.320 --> 0:47:23.680
<v Speaker 1>to say beforehand? I'm like, oh, yeah, I just I

0:47:23.800 --> 0:47:26.240
<v Speaker 1>just make it up. But Utta Hagen told the truth.

0:47:27.160 --> 0:47:31.399
<v Speaker 1>Utta Hagen said, that what a performer has to do

0:47:32.320 --> 0:47:37.279
<v Speaker 1>is create the illusion spontanet. Oh that's it, that's it,

0:47:37.480 --> 0:47:37.920
<v Speaker 1>that's it.

0:47:38.000 --> 0:47:42.160
<v Speaker 4>That's it really is, because that's what the audience wants.

0:47:42.280 --> 0:47:42.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:47:42.480 --> 0:47:44.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they want to think it's just happening right now.

0:47:44.200 --> 0:47:45.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah it's real, of course.

0:47:45.560 --> 0:47:45.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:47:46.160 --> 0:47:46.399
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:47:46.480 --> 0:47:49.960
<v Speaker 4>They don't want you know, like like a compliment. Nobody

0:47:49.960 --> 0:47:52.279
<v Speaker 4>wants you to think that you were thinking it at home.

0:47:52.880 --> 0:47:55.399
<v Speaker 4>You know, I want to say you got great hair. Yeah,

0:47:55.440 --> 0:47:59.400
<v Speaker 4>what are you going to say to Craig great hair? Yeah?

0:47:59.520 --> 0:48:02.439
<v Speaker 3>Yeah you do. By the way, so do you thank

0:48:02.440 --> 0:48:04.480
<v Speaker 3>you so much? Yeah, you know, and this is spontaneous.

0:48:05.040 --> 0:48:05.880
<v Speaker 1>I didn't rehearse it.

0:48:05.920 --> 0:48:06.759
<v Speaker 3>I didn't. I didn't think.

0:48:06.800 --> 0:48:10.560
<v Speaker 1>The good thing about I guess the the disease of podcasts,

0:48:10.560 --> 0:48:13.840
<v Speaker 1>this is the kind of like absolute kind of playthrough

0:48:13.880 --> 0:48:17.360
<v Speaker 1>of podcasts, is that a lot of conversations are indeed

0:48:17.480 --> 0:48:19.920
<v Speaker 1>sp spontaneous. Because back in the day when I was

0:48:19.920 --> 0:48:22.000
<v Speaker 1>doing Late Night, they really forced you to try and

0:48:22.160 --> 0:48:23.279
<v Speaker 1>not do spontaneous.

0:48:23.360 --> 0:48:26.760
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well you have you have your your your segment producer,

0:48:27.200 --> 0:48:29.680
<v Speaker 4>who has you got to have three for good stories?

0:48:29.760 --> 0:48:31.319
<v Speaker 1>Tell your story. This is what you're going to say.

0:48:31.360 --> 0:48:33.279
<v Speaker 1>He's going to ask you about this, you're going to

0:48:33.320 --> 0:48:35.520
<v Speaker 1>talk about that. I think they probably still do that

0:48:35.560 --> 0:48:35.799
<v Speaker 1>a bit.

0:48:35.920 --> 0:48:38.080
<v Speaker 4>Of course, Yeah, they do because they want to make sure,

0:48:38.160 --> 0:48:39.880
<v Speaker 4>you know, we got something to talk about. And it

0:48:39.920 --> 0:48:42.520
<v Speaker 4>doesn't just because it's not an hour. If I tell that,

0:48:42.640 --> 0:48:46.319
<v Speaker 4>if we had ten minutes, that might be the system. Hey, Steve,

0:48:46.360 --> 0:48:47.719
<v Speaker 4>we want to talk about this and this and this.

0:48:48.200 --> 0:48:50.239
<v Speaker 4>But let me tell you something that I think about podcasts,

0:48:50.280 --> 0:48:53.239
<v Speaker 4>that I think about show business. Okay, you got to

0:48:53.280 --> 0:48:55.719
<v Speaker 4>be great and then you'll rise to the top and

0:48:55.760 --> 0:48:58.239
<v Speaker 4>people will listen to you. There are I don't know,

0:48:58.320 --> 0:49:01.440
<v Speaker 4>one hundred thousand podcasts, a million podcast whatever there are.

0:49:02.080 --> 0:49:05.279
<v Speaker 4>But if you're good, that's true, you'll there's people will

0:49:05.600 --> 0:49:08.839
<v Speaker 4>there's millions of musicians, there's millions, there's millions of.

0:49:08.760 --> 0:49:10.759
<v Speaker 3>It's got to be good. Yeah, you gotta be so good.

0:49:10.800 --> 0:49:12.319
<v Speaker 2>That's the only thing that you need to do.

0:49:12.400 --> 0:49:14.439
<v Speaker 3>Is because Steve Morton had a great line. I heard,

0:49:14.800 --> 0:49:16.799
<v Speaker 3>you got to be so good that they can't ignore you.

0:49:17.800 --> 0:49:19.040
<v Speaker 1>He's pretty impressive guy.

0:49:19.200 --> 0:49:21.840
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, of course, Oh my god, you know him, No, No,

0:49:21.960 --> 0:49:22.680
<v Speaker 4>I don't know miner.

0:49:23.160 --> 0:49:27.319
<v Speaker 1>I met him once in the Westwood Marquis Hotel when

0:49:27.320 --> 0:49:29.680
<v Speaker 1>I was out here trying to get a job, because

0:49:29.719 --> 0:49:32.080
<v Speaker 1>before I even moved here, I was walking out and

0:49:32.160 --> 0:49:34.759
<v Speaker 1>Steve Martin was walking in. Was like he was the

0:49:34.800 --> 0:49:38.040
<v Speaker 1>first famous person I met in law. And he held

0:49:38.080 --> 0:49:40.919
<v Speaker 1>the door open for me, and I went, I don't

0:49:40.960 --> 0:49:42.040
<v Speaker 1>know how to do it. I don't know where the

0:49:42.040 --> 0:49:44.560
<v Speaker 1>protocol is, but I just and I gushed a little

0:49:44.600 --> 0:49:46.880
<v Speaker 1>bit of work and stuff like that, and he was

0:49:47.280 --> 0:49:50.440
<v Speaker 1>so nice. Yeah, he was like just that thing you

0:49:50.480 --> 0:49:53.200
<v Speaker 1>were saying, I guess, yeah, you know about like people

0:49:53.200 --> 0:49:55.400
<v Speaker 1>like that, but I really meant it, of course, Like

0:49:55.480 --> 0:49:57.120
<v Speaker 1>I was like, you know, Steve.

0:49:56.920 --> 0:49:59.359
<v Speaker 3>Martin, I mean yeah, wow, yeah, and he can tell

0:49:59.400 --> 0:50:00.239
<v Speaker 3>you really meant yeah.

0:50:00.239 --> 0:50:01.359
<v Speaker 2>I think he could tell us yeah.

0:50:01.440 --> 0:50:03.960
<v Speaker 4>And you know, everybody's got him, everyone's got you know,

0:50:04.239 --> 0:50:07.080
<v Speaker 4>a minute and two minutes to say something nice yeah

0:50:07.120 --> 0:50:08.359
<v Speaker 4>and say hey, thanks a lot.

0:50:08.520 --> 0:50:10.640
<v Speaker 1>And he said what are you doing out here? And

0:50:11.120 --> 0:50:14.799
<v Speaker 1>I said, I don't recognize where you're from. And it was,

0:50:14.920 --> 0:50:17.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, it was really encouraging. Actually.

0:50:17.480 --> 0:50:20.000
<v Speaker 3>I think he's known as a very very authentic person.

0:50:20.080 --> 0:50:23.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well it was certainly. I mean it's funny how

0:50:23.520 --> 0:50:26.719
<v Speaker 1>little things land. Yeah, like that thing you said about

0:50:26.760 --> 0:50:29.440
<v Speaker 1>who's Steve good? That is a thing in our family,

0:50:29.480 --> 0:50:32.719
<v Speaker 1>we say that to each other, you know. I mean

0:50:33.800 --> 0:50:37.000
<v Speaker 1>it's funny that the little lessons that come in. You know,

0:50:37.440 --> 0:50:40.239
<v Speaker 1>you're talking about your dad and the lawnmower. This is

0:50:40.400 --> 0:50:42.440
<v Speaker 1>the guy and his dad tacking around and then your

0:50:42.480 --> 0:50:45.840
<v Speaker 1>house first day. But you know he just woke fifty

0:50:45.920 --> 0:50:47.560
<v Speaker 1>years later, sixty years later.

0:50:47.680 --> 0:50:49.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're sitting here talking about it.

0:50:49.200 --> 0:50:52.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, maybe feel that's crazy. How you don't know how

0:50:53.000 --> 0:50:53.760
<v Speaker 1>it's going to land.

0:50:54.360 --> 0:50:55.320
<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, it's so funny.

0:50:55.320 --> 0:50:58.240
<v Speaker 4>I think there are certain experiences that you can still

0:50:58.280 --> 0:51:00.480
<v Speaker 4>smell the grass, feel the air.

0:51:01.239 --> 0:51:04.640
<v Speaker 3>I'm you know, I keep thinking about moving back east

0:51:05.400 --> 0:51:06.359
<v Speaker 3>and do it?

0:51:06.800 --> 0:51:07.120
<v Speaker 1>Do it?

0:51:07.239 --> 0:51:08.600
<v Speaker 3>I did it? Do it? Do it right?

0:51:08.760 --> 0:51:09.200
<v Speaker 2>Do it?

0:51:09.880 --> 0:51:12.080
<v Speaker 3>And you could still work, You could do everything?

0:51:12.320 --> 0:51:13.399
<v Speaker 2>Yes, do it?

0:51:13.680 --> 0:51:15.560
<v Speaker 3>Wow? What a different What a great life back there?

0:51:15.760 --> 0:51:16.520
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god?

0:51:16.600 --> 0:51:20.319
<v Speaker 3>And New York City, Oh the best? Come on, man,

0:51:20.440 --> 0:51:23.520
<v Speaker 3>and you knew yorr fucking city. Do you go out?

0:51:23.640 --> 0:51:26.799
<v Speaker 1>You go to plays and do stuff, see stuff and

0:51:26.800 --> 0:51:30.160
<v Speaker 1>I go and I go, let's go in there and

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<v Speaker 1>eat there?

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<v Speaker 3>What is it?

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<v Speaker 1>It's an Ethiopian Chinese fusion restaurant. Man, let's go Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I love New York and I really

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<v Speaker 2>missed it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, how long were you here? I was twenty three

0:51:47.880 --> 0:51:54.360
<v Speaker 1>years I was in Los Angeles, right, and I.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like, I mean, I loved it, but I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like it it changed.

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<v Speaker 3>He sure has.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I mean when I came here in

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<v Speaker 2>the midnight is it it was?

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<v Speaker 1>It was weirdly sleepy, if you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>like Fabio would be at that restaurant.

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<v Speaker 4>It was a second class city. It was, right, it was,

0:52:06.920 --> 0:52:08.879
<v Speaker 4>and it changed. It's the first class city now. Yeah,

0:52:08.960 --> 0:52:13.480
<v Speaker 4>and it has first class city problems and attitude and manners. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>and you know, and it's a great still a great city.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a Nemberlore city. But I do think when you

0:52:19.239 --> 0:52:22.799
<v Speaker 4>would think of La years ago, it would be the beach. Yah,

0:52:23.000 --> 0:52:24.440
<v Speaker 4>you would think about the beach. You don't think of

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<v Speaker 4>La as the beach anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>And I would go up there that you would meet

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<v Speaker 1>people and it kind of yeah. I mean, look, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just an old guy saying things were better in

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<v Speaker 1>the other But I don't know, because I go to

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<v Speaker 1>New York and I think New York's just as good

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<v Speaker 1>now as it was in.

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<v Speaker 2>The better than it was in the nineteen eighties.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, Yeah, it's it's got so many opportunities. But

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<v Speaker 4>you know, my nephew lives out here. He works for

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<v Speaker 4>Serious right, he's a producer for college sports. He loves

0:52:49.719 --> 0:52:52.279
<v Speaker 4>la people do. He would never go back to New.

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<v Speaker 1>York I know, I know I said that too, though, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, and so never that thing.

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<v Speaker 1>As you get older, do you think I want to

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<v Speaker 1>go back? Well, I remember talking to a friend of mine.

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<v Speaker 1>We were talking about getting old and he and I said,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to get old in the country where I

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<v Speaker 1>can relax and all that stuff.

0:53:10.200 --> 0:53:14.759
<v Speaker 2>And he was like, no, New York City. I went, what, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>New York City.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're old in New York City, you put on

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<v Speaker 1>a nice coat, walks through the park, not even knows

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<v Speaker 1>you're old. You don't even know you're old. You're just

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<v Speaker 1>going somewhere.

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<v Speaker 4>And and it's kind of easier to because you can

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<v Speaker 4>get in the cab, go to the supermarket, you get

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<v Speaker 4>stuff delivered.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a little easier and old.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's expensive.

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<v Speaker 1>I will say that.

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<v Speaker 3>It is an expensive city. Oh my, yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Mean sometimes you go to the store in New York.

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<v Speaker 4>I know, how can live here? It's getting expensive here too? Yeah,

0:53:42.520 --> 0:53:45.760
<v Speaker 4>you know, I mean life is. Listen, everything gets more pricey.

0:53:45.880 --> 0:53:46.480
<v Speaker 4>It just is.

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<v Speaker 1>I had a friend who who died some time ago,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was self made man, made a lot of money.

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<v Speaker 2>And he said.

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<v Speaker 1>Something that again is legend in our His name is

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<v Speaker 1>bellef and Bill said, if you have a problem that

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<v Speaker 1>can be solved with money, solve it, because so many

0:54:10.239 --> 0:54:11.239
<v Speaker 1>problems can be.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a great one.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, if you have the money to

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<v Speaker 1>solve a problem, heard that, solve it.

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<v Speaker 4>My uncle would say, just if I could throw money

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<v Speaker 4>at something, solve it, do it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's great. Well I wouldn't have any money left.

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<v Speaker 2>That doesn't matter.

0:54:23.480 --> 0:54:24.240
<v Speaker 1>You solve your problem.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and you and you'll get more money.

0:54:26.000 --> 0:54:26.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the pipes don't work, just call a plumber, throw

0:54:29.840 --> 0:54:31.120
<v Speaker 4>money out of and fix the pipes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah. It's it's kind of a I mean, maybe

0:54:35.760 --> 0:54:39.560
<v Speaker 1>it sounds a little simplistic, but these are it's weird

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<v Speaker 1>that I have in my life. I mean, we're both

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<v Speaker 1>in our sixties now. Crazy to think, yeah, but but

0:54:46.520 --> 0:54:48.880
<v Speaker 1>I think my life has become I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>I've become more cranky or just more simplistic. I'm like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to fight you if I don't agree

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<v Speaker 1>with you.

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<v Speaker 3>It's fine, smart way.

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<v Speaker 4>I think you just get a little smarter, you know,

0:55:01.800 --> 0:55:04.160
<v Speaker 4>you get you know, it's sort of like learning, right,

0:55:04.440 --> 0:55:06.759
<v Speaker 4>even when you were in your twenties, you learn you're

0:55:06.760 --> 0:55:09.480
<v Speaker 4>gonna go from point A to point B. You can

0:55:09.880 --> 0:55:13.240
<v Speaker 4>do ten different blocks and they'll take you twenty five minutes,

0:55:13.320 --> 0:55:17.120
<v Speaker 4>and then you learn maybe half a year later, Oh,

0:55:17.400 --> 0:55:19.640
<v Speaker 4>if I take these two blocks, I can get there

0:55:19.640 --> 0:55:22.040
<v Speaker 4>in ten minutes. I learned I don't need to do

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<v Speaker 4>that anymore. Same thing with an argument, or I learned

0:55:24.840 --> 0:55:28.040
<v Speaker 4>I can argue, argue, or I can just say okay,

0:55:28.920 --> 0:55:31.279
<v Speaker 4>and that's probably the same thing is gonna happen. Yeah,

0:55:31.320 --> 0:55:33.239
<v Speaker 4>the same outcome is probably gonna happen.

0:55:33.320 --> 0:55:34.879
<v Speaker 2>I had never changed. I don't think I ever changed

0:55:34.960 --> 0:55:36.240
<v Speaker 2>anybody's mind in an argument.

0:55:36.280 --> 0:55:38.240
<v Speaker 1>And if I ever did change some of these minded

0:55:38.280 --> 0:55:40.520
<v Speaker 1>in an argument, then they were really mad at me for

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<v Speaker 1>changing them.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Going it probably bad. Just let it go, unless I mean, look,

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<v Speaker 1>there comes a time when you got to say what

0:55:51.840 --> 0:55:55.200
<v Speaker 1>you got to say, but so many times it's not

0:55:55.360 --> 0:55:56.520
<v Speaker 1>that time, you.

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<v Speaker 4>Know that is you know, yeah, it's better that you

0:55:59.120 --> 0:56:02.319
<v Speaker 4>just don't say anything, or or.

0:56:02.640 --> 0:56:04.799
<v Speaker 2>As my wife's thing. Never miss an opportunity.

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<v Speaker 1>Shut the hell up.

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<v Speaker 3>That's really great.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she's a Yankee.

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<v Speaker 3>Where's she from.

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<v Speaker 1>She's from New Hampshire.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh what's that life? I've never been up there.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh it's beautiful, must be gorgeous, beautiful. Yeah, yeah, that's uh.

0:56:19.760 --> 0:56:24.120
<v Speaker 1>She's from just outside Hanover. Oh.

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<v Speaker 4>Friends of mine go to Hanover all the time. They

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<v Speaker 4>talk about it all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a beautiful place, big college town, Dartmouth College.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a cultural town too. They've got stuff going on, right, Yeah.

0:56:34.680 --> 0:56:35.840
<v Speaker 1>And they, you know, they have.

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<v Speaker 2>They got a science museum and stuff you'd like.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe you should move there, maybe go to Hanover.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know what I think. I think you should

0:56:42.560 --> 0:56:42.920
<v Speaker 2>move back.

0:56:42.960 --> 0:56:45.200
<v Speaker 1>He's don't move into the city, but move.

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<v Speaker 3>Near this, near the city, near this. Yeah. Well, your

0:56:49.000 --> 0:56:50.560
<v Speaker 3>second place is upstate New York.

0:56:50.640 --> 0:56:55.680
<v Speaker 1>No, it's further up, further up north of bost north North. No,

0:56:55.840 --> 0:56:57.640
<v Speaker 1>even further north than that. Maine.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh Maine. So was it six hour drive?

0:57:00.239 --> 0:57:01.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah about that, it's five and a half. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>drive sometimes it's forty five minutes in the plane?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, Oh are you fly somethimes?

0:57:06.560 --> 0:57:09.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't fly my own plane. That's a good idea, though.

0:57:09.239 --> 0:57:11.239
<v Speaker 1>You get a little airplane and fly around up there

0:57:11.680 --> 0:57:12.440
<v Speaker 1>busy airspace.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh okay, yeah, so you drive up there once in

0:57:15.440 --> 0:57:17.200
<v Speaker 4>a while, or you'll how do you take the train?

0:57:17.360 --> 0:57:19.360
<v Speaker 1>Take the train, you can drive, you can take the plane.

0:57:19.400 --> 0:57:22.320
<v Speaker 1>It's all all of these American facilities that are available.

0:57:23.600 --> 0:57:24.800
<v Speaker 3>I've been made a few times.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's beautiful. It's really beautiful, really beautiful. Yeah. I

0:57:28.120 --> 0:57:31.880
<v Speaker 1>love it. So that's enough about me and it's enough

0:57:31.920 --> 0:57:35.560
<v Speaker 1>about you. Apparently we're done. No, yeah, but I do

0:57:35.640 --> 0:57:37.400
<v Speaker 1>want to thank you for coming in. I want to

0:57:37.400 --> 0:57:38.800
<v Speaker 1>thank you for writing that book.

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<v Speaker 2>A time to think.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's uh, it's not easy to write any kind

0:57:46.480 --> 0:57:49.120
<v Speaker 1>of a book. I think when you're going through the thing,

0:57:49.160 --> 0:57:52.280
<v Speaker 1>you're going through and writing the book at the same time.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a pretty authentic approach to it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm impressed. Gosh, Darna, and you've got good hair.

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<v Speaker 1>Have good hair, alrighty, get out of here.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks man.