WEBVTT - Patriots Catch-22 2/19: NFL Scouting Combine Preview 0:00:04.640 --> 0:00:07.960 This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan 0:00:08.039 --> 0:00:13.080 Lazar and Alex bar Blazar from Lazarre. Hello, everybody nailed it, 0:00:13.119 --> 0:00:15.680 joined us always by our bark. 0:00:18.840 --> 0:00:21.880 Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars. But if they 0:00:21.880 --> 0:00:24.720 want a rookie kicker to meet, Ben sALS, here's the guy. 0:00:24.920 --> 0:00:29.400 Ben Salt. There's your kicker. I am definitely in a 0:00:29.480 --> 0:00:32.000 much different spot in my research than you, clearly, so 0:00:32.120 --> 0:00:34.560 I'm still in the top one hundred and hang on 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:36.680 real quick because I have his number six of seven 0:00:36.720 --> 0:00:40.880 from fifty plus last year, twenty one of twenty four total. Okay, 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:45.080 there's your kicker minute, Ben sALS. I feel like we 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:49.600 allow for the kicker minute, like the last ten minutes 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:52.879 of the show. When somebody asks about kickers, I'm like, 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:54.840 all right, this is your time to show give him. 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:56.040 I give my ticket this point. 0:00:56.080 --> 0:01:00.840 Better call Salts, better better calls sauls Uh. The Patriots 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:02.960 do need a kicker. You keep reminding me of that 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:06.560 every time I do any off season preview write ups 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:07.000 or anything. 0:01:07.760 --> 0:01:10.080 Agent. They do have Parker Romo, but Joways lies a 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:10.479 free agent. 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:12.039 We don't trust Parker Romo. 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:14.600 Well, he just doesn't have a lot of experience, at 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:16.520 least somebody to bring in for like they had last year. 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:17.640 Somebody bring in for competition. 0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:22.319 All right, all right, sure, well, kickers, I believe specialists 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:25.120 are Wednesday night next week at the combine. Yeah, that 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:28.679 first group on the on field workouts, and then Thursdays 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:33.200 when the position players start, the non specialist start. 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:36.080 So no, the defensive line and linebackers are with the 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:38.480 kickers on Wednesday. I think, No, we're on Thursday. 0:01:38.600 --> 0:01:40.440 No, I don't think so. I think you're specialist are 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:42.800 on Wednesday night. Yeah, all right, I think something different 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:48.560 this week this year. Anyways, semantics, the Combines next week 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:54.440 my favorite week of the NFL calendar. And you are going, sir, 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:59.080 is your first combine? Right, Yes, you'll you'll see what 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:03.160 I'm talking about. The biggest reason why I love the Combine. 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:07.760 It's just enough football that you get to do the 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:10.720 football thing. Yeah, but you also just get to have 0:02:10.760 --> 0:02:12.440 a blast in Indie for the week, which is an 0:02:12.520 --> 0:02:18.000 underrated city, especially for an event like this. So overall 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:20.480 my favorite week of the year. You have just enough 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:23.600 football you can scratch that itch, but you also have 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:26.720 you know, the eating's good. You go to Saint Elmo's, 0:02:26.760 --> 0:02:30.440 you go to Prime forty seven. The after hours is 0:02:30.480 --> 0:02:33.440 good too at you know the bars, so that it's 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:35.640 my favorite week of the year. I'm glad you're coming 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:38.400 because you finally get to experience why I hype it 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:41.000 up so much every single time, so hopefully it lives 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:43.480 up to it. But today we're gonna talk a little 0:02:43.520 --> 0:02:48.080 bit of combine stuff, little preview episode here, some of 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:51.960 the big storylines from a Patriots perspective, obviously going into 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:55.840 the combine next week. We also have some free agency news, 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:57.720 you know, tag news things like that that we can 0:02:57.760 --> 0:03:00.280 discuss here at the top of the show. And then 0:03:00.280 --> 0:03:02.919 we'll take your calls in your emails. So I'll give 0:03:02.960 --> 0:03:05.000 out the phone number here in a little bit because 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:08.320 I think we'll probably roll here for a few minutes 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:11.080 on the combine, but call us at eight five to 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:15.480 five Pass five hundred email address TBX hotline, and then 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:20.399 the emails podcast at Patriots dot com and hey Patriots fans, 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:23.520 you want to see Toyota's best offers, including those not 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:26.400 seen on TV. Go to buy Toyota dot Com is 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:29.720 Toyota's official website for deals from the official vehicle The 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:32.919 New England Patriots, Toyota, Let's go places and easy to drink, 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:36.040 easy to enjoy. Bud Light, the official beer sponsor of 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:38.760 the New England Patriots. All right, Alex, where do you 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:41.760 want to start combine franchise tags? 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:45.760 I guess let's starts franchise tag stup because we can 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:46.480 do that pretty quickly. 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:51.000 Okay, so franchise tags latest. The franchise tag window is 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:54.640 now officially open. I believe it's like March fourth or 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:57.960 March second, where it closes, like right before the start 0:03:57.960 --> 0:04:01.040 of the league year. The big news is that it 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:03.520 does sound like t Higgins is expected to get the 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:07.040 franchise tag from the Cincinnati Bengals, and it seems like 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:10.280 this is a placeholder for them to be signing him 0:04:10.360 --> 0:04:13.280 to a long term contract. Is where this seems to 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:17.960 be headed. And I think ultimately, even if it's him 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:21.960 playing the other another year or a holdout or something 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:24.400 like that on the tag, or him signing a long 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:27.679 term extension in Cincinnati, it doesn't sound like he's getting 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:30.479 out of Cincinnati this year, and he's certainly not going 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:32.840 to be an unrestricted free agent, so it takes him 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:36.839 off the board for the Patriots. Which is a bummer. Obviously, 0:04:36.839 --> 0:04:40.760 there's a lot of different domino effects here, where not 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:42.160 only are they not going to be able to make 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:44.840 a run at T. Higgins, but also now the other 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:49.080 receivers on the board, Cooper Cup in the trade, Chris Godwin, 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:53.160 Stefan Diggs, Amari Cooper, like now those guys become the 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:55.640 top of the board in the free agent market. So 0:04:56.480 --> 0:04:58.640 where do you stand with this T Higgins thing? I 0:04:58.920 --> 0:05:00.760 guess I'm a little bit bumped out by it. But 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:03.760 at the same time, I also thought, even though they 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:06.040 could throw a bunch of money at him, the odds 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:09.400 of them actually landing to Higgins on the open market 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:13.200 I still thought were lower percentage wise, you know, a 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:17.960 ten to fifteen percent. So I'm not overly moved by it, 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:18.960 I guess because of that. 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:22.760 I just never expected him to become available, like however 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:24.719 it happened. I never was really expecting them to have 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:26.720 a chance to do that. Now, you know, it's all 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:29.160 well and good to sit here in mid February and 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:30.760 say we want to sign it. If you're the Bengals 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:33.120 and say we want to Scigniicans to an extension. Once 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:35.400 you actually start putting numbers on paper, maybe it gets 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:39.120 a little more difficult. And if you're the Patriots, I 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:41.360 think you still check in you see how those negotiations 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:43.320 are going right, and maybe he can still be had 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:45.160 via trade, but it's via trade. It's different. Now you're 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:48.360 getting up assets, it's not just money. But to me, 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:51.680 like that those names you mentioned, I think Chris Godwin 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:53.360 we talked about that. I think we talked about this 0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:56.640 last week, Like Chris Godwin can give you some of 0:05:56.680 --> 0:06:00.000 that coverage dictating type stuff. If he's healthy, he obviously 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:02.119 kind of has an extensive injury history at that point. 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:06.640 After him, these are guys with significant injuries or are 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:11.120 up there in years or both. And I just don't 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:15.039 know that that receiver, that kind of apex receiver that 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:18.240 they've been chasing for the last few years, is going 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:20.600 to be available to them on the veteran market this offseason. 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:22.880 I also don't know if that guy's in the draft. 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:26.000 Maybe you believe that's Tech McMillan, And if you do, 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:28.479 then I think there is now a stronger case for 0:06:28.560 --> 0:06:30.479 him to be the pick at four. But if it's 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:33.640 not Tech McMillan, Travis Hunter, we both think is not 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:35.320 going to be there at force. Even if you think 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:38.400 he's that guy as a receiver, it might be irrelevant. Yeah, 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:42.000 unless they go to the trade market, getting that guy 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:44.400 may not be an option. So now you go in 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:47.680 one of two ways. Do you really aggressively hammer the 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:49.719 trade market and let teams know you might be willing 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:52.800 to get a little dumb in order to land. You 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:55.240 bring us back to DK Metcalf. Here we go again 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:57.200 with him in terms of the money and what you're 0:06:57.240 --> 0:07:01.240 willing to give up or look, and I know this 0:07:01.279 --> 0:07:03.240 probably isn't what people want to hear, but it's an 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:08.279 option to build. They have the assets to be better 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:11.880 next year, but in order to be like really contending, 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:15.360 like finish you know, ten eleven, twelve wins, battling for 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:18.480 the division, winning playoff games. This roster's two years away. 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:22.160 It's gonna take two offseasons, not just this one. You 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:24.440 can kind of look at it and say, it's a 0:07:24.440 --> 0:07:27.520 two year process. We don't want to overextend for wide 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:29.280 receiver that's not gonna be worth it. We're giving up 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:32.040 whether it's Chris Godwin, Teed McMillan, whoever. If you don't 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:35.560 truly believe that guy's the answer, and you say, we 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:37.760 have needed to tackle, we have needs on the edge, 0:07:37.800 --> 0:07:39.800 we needs in the secondary, might need a tight end, 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:41.880 might need a running back guard, on and on and on. 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:44.440 We're just gonna hammer those And that doesn't mean you 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:46.640 do nothing at wide receiver. Maybe you ad a guy 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:48.480 like a Christian Kirk who could end up being a 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:51.120 cap casual to you is a nice complimentary piece, but 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:53.560 is a complimentary piece. Maybe you get one of these 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:55.600 guys on Day two of the draft who is a 0:07:55.640 --> 0:08:00.000 complimentary piece, but you get that if you focus horror 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:02.600 on the other options, you spend your premium assets there. 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:05.160 And look, I know nobody wants to kick the can 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:08.160 down the road to wide receiver for another year, but ideally, 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:11.080 if you're not putting premium assets into that position. You 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:12.960 got in your left tackle, you got in a pass 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:15.720 rusher maybe two. You added some depth in the secondary, 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:17.800 maybe you found a playmaker at tight end, like you 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:19.640 have all these other ways you can go, and now 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:22.880 next year it's wide receiver, wide receiver, wide receiver, because 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:25.040 you took care of just about everything else you needed 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:26.840 to take care of. Again, I know that might not 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:28.880 be a popular take, and I'm not saying that's the 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:31.000 way they're gonna go. But if T Higgins is off 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:33.880 the board, you look at who's left, and if they 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:36.680 can't swing a big trade, I think that has to 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:37.720 be an option on the table. 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:41.480 Yeah, well, I guess I'm a little bit old school 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:44.280 when it comes to a roster building, especially with the 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:47.200 wide receiver position. I always view wide receiver as the 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:50.560 finishing piece. I think that that's the last piece that 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:54.000 you drop into the puzzle. And once you have the 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:58.640 foundation of offensive line, quarterback play, now you can go 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:01.440 ahead and take the wide receiver. You know, make that 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:04.680 Aj Brown trade, make that Stefan Diggs trade. 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:06.000 Or just if you're picking in the top ten r 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:09.840 you know, next year and we're your way. So who knows. Yeah, 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:13.559 next year projects to be a better year for receivers 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:16.360 in the draft. You never know who's gonna be available 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:19.280 on the veteran market, Like next year there should be. 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:22.720 It's too early to do that, you know, where would 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:25.480 Tech McMillan rank the next year's class because we don't 0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:27.320 know who's gonna come out and blah blah blah blah blah. 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:29.760 But like I'm gonna guess Tech McMillan would not be 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:31.960 just looking at the list early. I don't think Tech 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:34.079 McMillan's wide receiver won in next year's class. He might 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:35.160 not even be wide receiver too. 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:37.400 So here's the thing, though, when it comes to receivers, 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:40.840 and this has been an old We've hammered this on 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:43.600 this show and our past shows and all, yeah, plenty, 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:46.520 the bottom line with the receiver position in this league, 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:51.679 T Higgins caliber and above receivers do not hit unrestricted 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:52.080 free agents. 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:54.360 I think Calvin Ridley's probably as good as you're gonna get. 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:58.520 So now that go, and Calvin Ridley's older, and you 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:01.080 know that that was a big part of it with him. So, 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:04.920 like you look at a lot of these different avenues 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:08.760 to add receivers, really you can cross unrestricted free agency off. 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:11.680 If you're looking for that true number one guy. That's 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:14.160 not happening. It's never going to happen. Even if T. 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:17.760 Higgins moves into trade. Now on the franchise tag, teams 0:10:17.760 --> 0:10:20.560 are going to maintain team control on an asset of 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:23.800 that magnitude. They are not going to allow T. Higgins 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:26.600 to walk in free agency for nothing. And I know 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:30.040 there's compics and all that, but theoretically nothing, it's just 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:32.760 not gonna happen. So you either have to trade for 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:34.760 it or you have to draft it. And if you're 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:37.800 trading for it, you're really giving up draft capital in 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:39.800 the trade to get the players, So you're kind of 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:41.800 drafting it, right, Like in a way. 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:43.520 Now, maybe you're giving up less than it would take 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:46.360 to get that caliber of player. Like I've said in 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:49.120 this world, push back on that. Right, if you can trade, 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:52.200 go back to the brand Nayuk trade last year, apply 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:54.520 it to DK Metcalf because I think they're comparable. So 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:57.440 that would be thirty eight one or four. I don't 0:10:57.480 --> 0:10:59.199 know if the Seahawks want Kendrick Bourne because I was 0:10:59.200 --> 0:11:01.280 in anik Staire. So we'll throw in a future fourth, right, Yeah, 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:04.200 thirty eight and one O four. Thirty eight's the premium 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:06.520 masset there. Are you drafting a receiver better than DK 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:10.040 Metcalf at thirty eight? No, you should think about that. 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:12.360 No, but it's not But it's not apples to apples. 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:14.080 It's not apples tabbles. You have to pay him, and 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:16.800 he's older and all that. I get it, but like 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:21.280 I want to like not anti using draft capital that way. 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:23.439 I just think it has to be sure worth it. 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:28.640 So my point being is that really the best way 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:33.319 to attack this receiver thing is to draft and develop 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:37.320 your own receivers like that, that's what the best teams do, right, 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:41.320 And to your point, that might not be a move 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:44.920 that the Patriots can really make this offseason, Like, I 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:48.520 don't think that the best use of the fourth overall pick. 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:51.000 And this is something that's going that's starting to bug 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:54.719 me about this whole discourse with the draft. I think 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:58.079 it's important to say with all these conversations, and I'm 0:11:58.120 --> 0:11:59.480 not the only one that said this, So if you 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:01.120 don't want to take my word for it, you know 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:04.559 I've heard Daniel Jeremiah, Dan Brugler, mel Kiper, like all 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:07.079 the big big j draft people say this as well. 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:10.520 This is not one of those classes where there's a 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:13.760 huge drop off from pick like four to pick twelve 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:18.000 ish right twelve early teens around there. Okay, So every 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:21.720 single player from that from let's call it Mason Graham 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:24.800 and Will Campbell yeh, to like Mikel Williams and those 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:27.920 guys that are probably gonna go early teens, I would say, 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:32.160 are sort of in one big cluster together. So when 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:34.400 we get to the combine and we get to this 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:37.040 part of the of the calendar, this is where all 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:39.600 those tie breakers are gonna be determined. Right where they're 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:45.960 gonna be measurables issues, medical issues, character red flags. Right like, 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:48.280 all those types of things start to come out now, 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:51.360 which is what helps you settle a lot of these debates. 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:53.480 You know, is will Campbell have the length to be 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:56.559 a tackle? Is Ted McMillan gonna go. I don't know 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:58.560 if he's gonna run, But if he runs and he 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:00.439 puts down a four to four when you thought he 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:02.240 was like a mid four to fives guy, well now 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:03.760 you have to go back and watch the tape and 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:06.959 reevaluate his play speed. So like, all of these things 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:09.360 are what's going to separate a lot of these guys 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:12.680 right now. So the point I'm getting at is that 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:16.320 as of right now, I don't think the best use 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:19.640 of the fourth overall pick is Ted McMillan this year, 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:22.400 because I think you need too much in the trenches 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:25.760 to go that direction. I think that's Bill Wallash. This 0:13:25.800 --> 0:13:29.040 is his old philosophy. The wide receiver is the last 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:32.040 piece that you add to the roster, and I subscribe 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:35.640 to that. So maybe wide receiver is better off next year. 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:39.160 Maybe this year it's Darius Slayton, just to get like 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:41.960 a veteran in the room that's got some production in 0:13:42.000 --> 0:13:44.520 the league. And it's another Day two draft pick, and 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:47.640 you take another dart throw at somebody on Day two. 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:50.679 I just published my tiers for the wide receiver position 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:53.840 yesterday or the day before, and I really do like 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:56.640 that Day two tier. Like, I think there's a decent 0:13:56.679 --> 0:14:01.000 amount of talent there, like the Iowa State kids, Jalen Royals, 0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:05.120 alec A Omanner from Stanford, Like, I think there's a 0:14:05.200 --> 0:14:09.079 decent amount of talent in that group that there could 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:12.480 be a Lad McConkey, there could be a Terry McLaurin. 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:15.560 There could be a Deebo Samuel, like, there could be 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:18.320 that guy in this class out of that group. Now 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:21.320 you have to evaluate, You have to properly scout it. 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:22.560 You have to pick the right guy. 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:24.320 They have to develop the player on top of that. 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:28.080 All that's all fair. But if I'm the Patriots in 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:32.000 this particular draft, in this particular offseason, I'm not closing 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:36.240 doors on making some home run trade for DK Metcalf 0:14:36.360 --> 0:14:39.280 or whatever. The case may be, but I would look 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:42.840 at it that way. For this year, I would stress 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:45.160 the trenches like we all want them to do for 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:48.720 the most part, and I would add receivers. I'm not 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:51.840 saying don't add receivers, and I'd add receivers with upside. 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:56.280 But I would expect to maybe have that finishing piece 0:14:56.760 --> 0:15:00.760 that Stefan Diggs, that Aj Brown that are chasing the 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:04.680 draft level prospect next year or maybe down the road 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:09.080 in general. So t Higgins off the board. It sounds 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:12.920 like Chris Godwin that his deadline for his deal to 0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:16.080 void got pushed right before the start of the league year, 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:18.640 So that usually is an indication that the team is 0:15:18.800 --> 0:15:22.240 ongoing contract negotiations with the player. So he could be 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:26.200 nearing an extension with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers to remain 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:28.640 in Tampa Bay. So there's a chance that you could 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:31.400 be taking him off the free agency board as well. 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:33.040 So take another layer. 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:36.000 And now it's really tough to look at one of 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:37.360 those guys that's going to come in and be the 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:39.000 guy you wanted to be. Like, you know how I 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:42.040 feel about Stefan Diggs. I think for years he's been 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:44.040 one of the more underrated receivers in the league. But 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:45.720 he's now on the wrong side of thirty and he's 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:48.600 coming off torn Aco, so that's you know, you're asking 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:49.240 for a lot there. 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:50.520 He is Dallas bound. 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:54.080 We talked about that'd be interesting. We talked about Cooper Cup. 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:56.760 We talked about Deebo Samuel last week. I think Cooper 0:15:56.840 --> 0:16:01.600 Cup he hasn't really been that engine of an offense 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:03.160 for you know, three years now. 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:06.080 Ye, I mean really took over that role almost as 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:06.560 a rookie. 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:09.280 Yeah, but he's also been banged up, and you know, 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:12.200 he doesn't quite look like the same player Deebo Samuel, 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:14.280 the same thing. He's dealt with injuries, he doesn't quite 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:16.840 look like the same guy. And then you're getting into like, 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:21.400 you know, DeAndre Hopkins, where's he at at this point? 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:23.960 He's in his thirties. I think like Deontay Johnson's a 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:26.720 free agent. Who would he played for four teams last year. 0:16:27.120 --> 0:16:29.160 Mike Williams like, these are the kind of players start 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:34.000 to talk about, and it's that those aren't answers. Yeah, 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:35.920 those you know it best. You're trying to get the 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:37.920 last drop out of a guy before he hangs it up. 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:40.600 And we've seen them do that time and time again. 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:42.720 I don't want it. It's not quite Eric Decker. I 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:44.760 don't want to go that far, but it's like Eric. 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:47.640 Decker, Like no, Joey Galloway pulled. 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:51.040 Joey Galloway for like a week. I don't think it 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:54.120 could be quite that bad. Johnson, Dumarius Thomas, Chad Johnson 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:55.640 might be up there to where it's like they probably 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:58.640 should have kept a Marus Thomas in twenty nineteen. But it, yeah, 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:01.360 like those guys feel more like that kind of signing 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:05.920 than somebody's gonna come in here and really change the offense. Yeah, 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:09.560 Diggs could if he's healthy, but thirty off of torn 0:17:09.600 --> 0:17:11.360 acl is risky. 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:13.560 Yeah, I don't think they're in a position to land 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:16.520 a guy like Diggs. I think he's gonna be contender chasing, 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:19.800 ring chasing. I also think he's gonna want to play 0:17:19.800 --> 0:17:22.199 with his brother in Dallas, and that might be a 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:25.520 really good fit for him. There. So the last one 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:28.639 I guess as of right now, a couple more. Actually 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:31.399 there's two more. I wanted to get to Tray Smith 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:35.320 in Kansas City. Now the report today is that probably 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:38.440 no tag. Yesterday it was maybe transition tag, which is 0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:40.800 the same tag that the Patriots used on Kyle Duggar 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:43.520 last year. So it's right a first refusal for the 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:47.720 player in a contract negotiation, so he is going to 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:51.880 hit unrestricted free agency. It sounds like now maybe there 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:55.880 could be a rebuttal type you know, transition tag there 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:59.080 for Kansas City, but you probably could bid for a 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:02.080 guy like Trace Smith. That's probably going to be an 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:05.240 option for the Patriots. My take on Tray Smith. I 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:08.760 don't hate the idea of going after guy like Tray Smith. 0:18:08.920 --> 0:18:11.160 I don't love the idea of paying forty million dollars 0:18:11.240 --> 0:18:13.240 combined to your two guards, right because on when who 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:14.879 just got paid? And then you're gonna have a lot 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:17.320 of money invested in Trey Smith as well. Probably not 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:20.399 the best way to use your resources. But this I 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:23.520 feel really strongly about. I am not convinced that Patriots 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:25.760 have a starting left guard on their roster. I think 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:28.120 other people disagree with me on this, and that's okay, 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:30.679 But I have not seen enough from Laden Robinson in 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:32.960 his rookie season to pencil him in as a starter. 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:35.280 We all know the Cold Strange thing has been an 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:37.480 up and down roller coaster. I don't know if he's 0:18:37.480 --> 0:18:39.480 gonna play center. I don't know if he's gonna play guard. 0:18:39.640 --> 0:18:41.600 I don't know if he's gonna be available right, Like, 0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:44.800 all these things are are problems. And maybe now that 0:18:44.840 --> 0:18:47.159 they get back to the downhill vertical run scheme a 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:50.879 little bit, Citysow becomes a factor and is back in 0:18:50.920 --> 0:18:54.520 the picture here again under Josh McDaniels. But all three 0:18:54.560 --> 0:18:57.720 of those guys, to me, are still more or less 0:18:57.840 --> 0:19:01.560 unknown commodities. Like I don't feel good about going into 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:04.119 next season counting on any of those three. So I 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:06.399 don't think the Patriots are said at left guard. I 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:07.600 think it's far from it to me. 0:19:07.760 --> 0:19:09.960 Look, I'm with you on that. I just I know 0:19:10.000 --> 0:19:12.280 they have a lot of cap space. I get that. Yeah, 0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:15.880 but it is a finite amount, yep. And if it's 0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:18.080 Tray Smith as like your second or third best for 0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:20.640 agents signing, I can totally get behind that. I agree 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:22.800 with you they need a starting left guard. I don't 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:24.760 know that they need like a top five left guard 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:26.359 in football or I don't know where you'd put Tray 0:19:26.359 --> 0:19:31.560 Smith in that ranking, But like i'd I don't know. 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:33.960 I'm kind of thinking it's during real time like, if 0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:35.640 you're gonna have a rookie left tackle, I guess maybe 0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:38.439 I could see that investment. But like, I'll take and 0:19:38.520 --> 0:19:41.960 they can have both. They can have both. I'd rather 0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:45.000 have like a Josh Sweat than Trey Smith. I might 0:19:45.040 --> 0:19:49.760 even rather have Javon Holland than Trace Smith. I'm not 0:19:49.840 --> 0:19:52.600 anti Tray Smith, and there's a way to make it work. 0:19:52.920 --> 0:19:55.440 But if the big splash coming out of this offseason 0:19:55.520 --> 0:19:58.200 is Trey Smith, I don't think that's enough. If they 0:19:58.200 --> 0:20:00.560 do like a twenty twenty one type thing and they 0:20:00.600 --> 0:20:02.960 go get a Matthew Judan and he ends up being 0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:07.359 Hunter Henry, awesome, like that would be incredible if he's 0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:10.080 the big name. I don't think he did enough because 0:20:10.080 --> 0:20:12.760 there's other players out there, more premium positions that you 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:15.520 need that if you're passing on those guys sign of guard, 0:20:15.520 --> 0:20:18.000 like you can find another starting caliber guard will be 0:20:18.040 --> 0:20:20.240 as good as Tray Smith. No, will he be good 0:20:20.320 --> 0:20:25.360 enough for what you need? Yeah? Probably, So it's I'm 0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:26.879 kind of in between on Trey Smith. I need to 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:28.640 see the rest of the picture to see how there's 0:20:28.680 --> 0:20:30.119 a way he works. But I need to see the 0:20:30.160 --> 0:20:31.680 rest of the picture. I also don't. 0:20:31.840 --> 0:20:34.240 And look, maybe it's it's not a big deal to 0:20:34.320 --> 0:20:39.280 him whatsoever. I'm also not completely losing sight of the 0:20:39.320 --> 0:20:42.280 fact that he's a right guard, So he played right 0:20:42.359 --> 0:20:45.520 guard in Kansas City, Joe Toney obviously played left guard 0:20:45.600 --> 0:20:47.920 in Kansas City or has played left guard in Kansas City. 0:20:49.359 --> 0:20:51.040 I don't know if it's as big of a deal 0:20:51.080 --> 0:20:53.800 as flipping at tackle. I think flipping at tackle tackle 0:20:53.840 --> 0:20:55.760 is problem as big. It might be a little bit 0:20:55.800 --> 0:20:58.600 of a bigger deal. But at the same time, we've 0:20:58.600 --> 0:21:02.359 done this before. We've seen this before, we flipped guys around. 0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:04.640 So now you're gonna pay a guy twenty million dollars 0:21:04.920 --> 0:21:06.439 to potentially pay him out a position. 0:21:06.480 --> 0:21:08.920 Didn't Did he play left guard like early in his career? 0:21:08.920 --> 0:21:09.760 Am I imagining that. 0:21:10.200 --> 0:21:12.560 He's only played right guard in Kansas City? To my knowledge, 0:21:12.560 --> 0:21:14.520 I went back and clicked through a PFF, and I'm 0:21:14.520 --> 0:21:16.400 pretty sure he's only played right guard. Maybe he played 0:21:16.440 --> 0:21:18.920 left guard in college. You know those guards, It's it's 0:21:18.920 --> 0:21:19.480 different than. 0:21:19.440 --> 0:21:21.960 That's even further back. Yeah, guards is easier because you're 0:21:21.960 --> 0:21:26.080 still it's about which way you're moving. Guards are moving. Well. 0:21:26.240 --> 0:21:29.960 It's also just like I think you know guards tend 0:21:29.960 --> 0:21:32.399 to cross train a lot more than tackles, I would say, 0:21:32.480 --> 0:21:35.199 especially in college, and they flip around and stuff like that. 0:21:35.280 --> 0:21:36.919 So I'm not saying it's a deal breaker that he 0:21:37.000 --> 0:21:39.800 that he played predominantly right guard in Kansas City, but 0:21:39.840 --> 0:21:42.000 it's a it's a factor. I think if you're gonna 0:21:42.000 --> 0:21:43.800 pay a guy that kind of money, yeah, and then 0:21:43.840 --> 0:21:46.280 now we're gonna we're gonna flip sides, just like they've 0:21:46.280 --> 0:21:47.040 done with other people. 0:21:47.080 --> 0:21:49.879 You know me, I'm very anti lineman flipping sides, Like 0:21:49.920 --> 0:21:54.439 I think you play your position, but if it's doing it, 0:21:54.600 --> 0:21:58.119 guard is not easy. Doing it tackles a completely different 0:21:58.200 --> 0:22:01.679 beast like it's not it's a little apples to oranges. 0:22:01.720 --> 0:22:03.919 I will say this. I've seen some people Sayking Tradesmiths 0:22:03.960 --> 0:22:06.239 play tackle. I'm out on that one. Oh go get 0:22:06.280 --> 0:22:08.000 a real tackle, I'm out on that one. If you 0:22:08.000 --> 0:22:10.040 want to move to the left guard, I'll have that conversation. 0:22:10.280 --> 0:22:12.000 I'm not playing him at right tackle. I'm certainly not 0:22:12.000 --> 0:22:13.840 playing him a lot. That's the toughest move you could 0:22:13.880 --> 0:22:15.560 make is right guard to left tackle. 0:22:15.800 --> 0:22:19.359 So last one here you mentioned him, Javon Holland, who 0:22:19.720 --> 0:22:22.280 it sounds Cameron Wolf last night on NFL Network. I 0:22:22.280 --> 0:22:25.760 believe it is reported that they it's trending towards no 0:22:25.880 --> 0:22:29.199 tag for Jamon Holland in Miami, So he's gonna be 0:22:29.200 --> 0:22:32.920 a free agent. Now it goes back to a little 0:22:32.920 --> 0:22:34.400 bit of what you were saying about, like the twenty 0:22:34.440 --> 0:22:36.800 twenty one offseason, right, if you're gonna spend him, you 0:22:36.840 --> 0:22:40.199 gotta spend the money somewhere. And if you're kind of 0:22:40.320 --> 0:22:42.760 not gonna spend it at receiver and there's not any 0:22:42.840 --> 0:22:44.879 real receivers to spend it on, and so on and 0:22:44.880 --> 0:22:47.520 so forth, then just getting the best players on the 0:22:47.560 --> 0:22:50.159 market might be the way to go. Javon Holland is 0:22:50.200 --> 0:22:52.800 absolutely gonna be a top five player available on the 0:22:52.800 --> 0:22:55.879 free agent market, maybe even higher on some list. So 0:22:56.080 --> 0:22:56.840 he's one of the best. 0:22:56.720 --> 0:22:58.480 Players of a who's ahead of them. If we're taking 0:22:58.480 --> 0:22:59.879 t Higgins off, probably you. 0:22:59.880 --> 0:23:02.000 Know it's gonna be him, It's gonna be Sweat, it's 0:23:02.000 --> 0:23:04.560 gonna be Trey Smith. You know, those are gonna be 0:23:04.560 --> 0:23:05.680 the top three, I would. 0:23:05.520 --> 0:23:07.680 Think, and it'll take him out of Tray Smith. 0:23:07.800 --> 0:23:11.960 So he's a really really good center fielder, awesome free safety. 0:23:12.600 --> 0:23:15.800 Now you just paid Kyle Dugger, you just pay Jabriel Peppers. 0:23:15.800 --> 0:23:17.800 We don't know what's gonna go happen with Jabriel Peppers 0:23:17.800 --> 0:23:20.879 off the field, right all that illegal drama and stuff 0:23:20.920 --> 0:23:22.840 like that with him, So we'll see what happens with 0:23:22.920 --> 0:23:25.960 all of that. It absolutely fits better in the back 0:23:26.040 --> 0:23:30.080 end to have Dugger with Javon Holland you have a 0:23:30.160 --> 0:23:32.520 true free safety, you have a strong safety or with 0:23:32.560 --> 0:23:34.919 whatever you want to call it these days, hybrid or whatever, 0:23:35.440 --> 0:23:39.760 and it fits the puzzle fits much better with those 0:23:39.760 --> 0:23:40.320 two guys. 0:23:40.680 --> 0:23:42.320 And we know they're not a player afraid to play 0:23:42.320 --> 0:23:44.960 three safety like you can absolutely have all three of 0:23:45.000 --> 0:23:47.200 them on the field at the same time. We've talked 0:23:47.240 --> 0:23:51.200 about them using some small or quicker linebackers. Now most 0:23:51.200 --> 0:23:53.399 of those guys are still two twenty five. Kyle Dugger 0:23:53.440 --> 0:23:56.560 and Jabrill Peppers are both around two fifteen. But these 0:23:56.720 --> 0:23:59.600 good football players, like, can you do some stuff where 0:23:59.760 --> 0:24:03.120 they're essentially it's not gonna be full time, but swapping 0:24:03.160 --> 0:24:05.480 into maybe those those smaller linebacker roles. 0:24:05.520 --> 0:24:08.080 I just wonder if one of those guys dugg Er Peppers. 0:24:08.119 --> 0:24:10.760 And obviously it's complicated with Peppers, so I don't know 0:24:10.800 --> 0:24:13.160 if this is how much you'd really get. I don't 0:24:13.200 --> 0:24:16.000 even know if it would be an option, but I'm 0:24:16.000 --> 0:24:19.840 not ruling out trading either one of those players and 0:24:20.359 --> 0:24:23.280 signing a guy like Javon Holland, keeping one of those 0:24:23.320 --> 0:24:27.320 guys and then having a much more uh, you know, 0:24:27.440 --> 0:24:29.240 like I was saying, you know, the puzzle fits a 0:24:29.280 --> 0:24:32.160 lot better in the back end together with those guys 0:24:32.160 --> 0:24:36.119 playing off of each other. In Tennessee, the Titans had 0:24:36.200 --> 0:24:39.400 Kevin Bayard for years with Rabel And say that again, 0:24:40.400 --> 0:24:41.400 Kevin Byared. 0:24:41.320 --> 0:24:46.240 Byered you buy Ard the a Why do you harp 0:24:46.280 --> 0:24:49.000 on that because it was difference? Does it make I 0:24:49.000 --> 0:24:49.840 have never heard of Pear. 0:24:50.240 --> 0:24:54.000 I'm rolling here, you said his name, continued, Kevin Byard, 0:24:54.119 --> 0:25:01.280 whatever you want to get that on this guy, you know, 0:25:01.320 --> 0:25:04.760 for a long time in Tennessee, was Pro Bowl, all 0:25:04.800 --> 0:25:08.119 Pro caliber safety, playing that that perch up top, you know, 0:25:08.160 --> 0:25:10.280 playing over the top of the of the defense. 0:25:10.320 --> 0:25:11.160 And I just. 0:25:11.119 --> 0:25:14.920 Wonder if Frabele would look at Javon Holland and see 0:25:15.080 --> 0:25:17.600 a pretty similar player, because I do and see a 0:25:17.600 --> 0:25:20.240 pretty similar skill set. I love the idea of going 0:25:20.280 --> 0:25:22.600 after Javon Holland. Now, yeah, it has to make sense, 0:25:22.640 --> 0:25:24.480 Like you have to make that safety room work, and 0:25:24.680 --> 0:25:26.080 you don't want to have you know, just like we 0:25:26.080 --> 0:25:28.600 were talking about with guards, you're gonna have what thirty 0:25:28.640 --> 0:25:31.480 forty million dollars invested in three safeties. That's a that's 0:25:31.520 --> 0:25:33.439 a lot of money in terms of the roster building. 0:25:33.960 --> 0:25:36.480 But they have so much money, and they. 0:25:36.400 --> 0:25:39.280 Have so much These are some of the things you 0:25:39.280 --> 0:25:42.199 can do when you have not just a quarterback, but 0:25:42.200 --> 0:25:44.520 they have their star corner on a rookie contract as well. 0:25:44.520 --> 0:25:47.399 Those are big money positions. So and they really, what 0:25:47.440 --> 0:25:50.359 do they have invested in linebacker? Bentley's deal isn't significant? No, 0:25:50.520 --> 0:25:53.240 so you can't it's significant. He's a good player, but 0:25:53.240 --> 0:25:55.560 like it's not a lot of money. So if you're saying, 0:25:55.560 --> 0:25:57.920 all right, well, you know, we're not. We have these 0:25:57.920 --> 0:25:59.960 three safeties, so we're not. You know, maybe that's a 0:26:00.000 --> 0:26:02.160 guy that we're keeping in place of a linebacker. Borrow 0:26:02.240 --> 0:26:04.600 some money from the linebacker room. Who borrow some money 0:26:04.640 --> 0:26:06.760 from the cornerback room. Because we have a top five 0:26:06.800 --> 0:26:09.280 corner in the league in Christian Zalez making rookie money. 0:26:09.640 --> 0:26:11.880 Borrow some money from that quarterback room. Things like that. 0:26:13.320 --> 0:26:15.600 You know, ideally in two to three years two to 0:26:15.600 --> 0:26:17.919 three to four years, we start parsing the well, you know, 0:26:17.920 --> 0:26:19.480 it's a lot of money spent at this position or 0:26:19.480 --> 0:26:21.040 a lot of money spent at that position, because they've 0:26:21.040 --> 0:26:23.760 a lot of good players right now. Like you said, 0:26:23.800 --> 0:26:26.960 off the top there, just get the good football player 0:26:27.400 --> 0:26:28.959 and then you go from there. And I will say too, 0:26:29.000 --> 0:26:30.960 to your point about the trades. I know Duggar, you know, 0:26:31.040 --> 0:26:33.159 with his legal situation, is tough to trade. The well, 0:26:33.200 --> 0:26:35.360 Kyle Dougga's coming off that ankle injury that clearly limited 0:26:35.440 --> 0:26:37.680 him last year, so he might be tough to move 0:26:37.680 --> 0:26:38.080 as well. 0:26:38.200 --> 0:26:42.320 Yeah, I look at free agency maybe a slightly different 0:26:42.359 --> 0:26:46.440 than the draft in terms of best player available, because 0:26:46.960 --> 0:26:51.359 in free agency, there's not the pool isn't as large 0:26:51.359 --> 0:26:53.240 in terms of the top end town, the pool. 0:26:53.040 --> 0:26:55.080 Isn't as large, and it's not like you get to 0:26:55.080 --> 0:26:57.600 pick your free agent and then thirty free agents go 0:26:57.640 --> 0:26:58.320 before you get to go. 0:26:58.480 --> 0:27:02.360 There, right right, So in free agency, I think when 0:27:02.400 --> 0:27:05.879 you go into free agency with needs in mind, like 0:27:05.960 --> 0:27:08.760 we need a left tackle, we need a wide receiver, 0:27:08.920 --> 0:27:13.080 we need this player, you end up with mediocre players 0:27:13.080 --> 0:27:15.520 in those spots. A lot of the time you and 0:27:15.560 --> 0:27:17.679 I'm not trying to throw shade at these guys, but 0:27:18.040 --> 0:27:20.280 like in twenty twenty one, you know, you end up 0:27:20.320 --> 0:27:23.240 with the Nelson Agalors and you end up with a 0:27:23.280 --> 0:27:25.439 guy in Johnny Smith who wasn't really a fit, but 0:27:25.600 --> 0:27:27.119 like it was the best tight end on the market, 0:27:27.160 --> 0:27:30.080 so we're gonna sign him. Anyways, you you needed a 0:27:30.160 --> 0:27:31.879 corner of defensive back, so you end up with a 0:27:31.880 --> 0:27:34.280 guy like Jalen Mills, who's a solid player, but he's 0:27:34.320 --> 0:27:38.040 not a game changer. He's not a real difference making player. 0:27:38.440 --> 0:27:41.760 So when you go into a free agency, if Javon 0:27:41.840 --> 0:27:44.400 Holland is the best free agent on the market and 0:27:44.440 --> 0:27:46.800 you're the team sitting there with the most cap space 0:27:47.040 --> 0:27:51.239 and he's a damn good football player, sign Jevon Holland, right, 0:27:51.880 --> 0:27:54.240 And then you figure out all these logjams and things 0:27:54.280 --> 0:27:56.639 like that as you go. You know, if Tray Smith 0:27:56.720 --> 0:27:58.840 is the best free agent on your board and you 0:27:58.880 --> 0:28:01.359 have one hundred and thirty million dollars in cap space 0:28:01.359 --> 0:28:04.360 and can now bid everybody, then sign Trey Smith. And yeah, 0:28:04.400 --> 0:28:06.880 it's a lot of money invested in guards, Like, there's 0:28:06.880 --> 0:28:07.639 no doubt about that. 0:28:07.840 --> 0:28:10.000 You're not paying tackles and if you get your tackle 0:28:10.000 --> 0:28:11.800 in the draft, you're not gonna be paying tackles for 0:28:12.280 --> 0:28:13.760 a few years now. 0:28:13.760 --> 0:28:17.200 You know. And you have a really sturdy, very really 0:28:17.280 --> 0:28:19.399 good depth to the pocket. For Drake May, yeah, he 0:28:19.400 --> 0:28:21.840 has a pocket to step up into. He's got a 0:28:21.880 --> 0:28:24.879 nice clean shelf all the time. You can run the football, 0:28:25.000 --> 0:28:27.040 you know, up the middle, up the gut, you know, 0:28:27.200 --> 0:28:29.800 just like Josh McDaniels wants to do. Like you can 0:28:30.040 --> 0:28:32.119 really look at that and say, all right, we have 0:28:32.400 --> 0:28:34.720 we have something to build off of, just like Kansas City, 0:28:34.920 --> 0:28:36.919 you know, with those three guys in the middle. So 0:28:37.560 --> 0:28:39.520 I look at the free agency a little bit different. 0:28:40.120 --> 0:28:43.040 Similarly bit different in terms of that within the draft 0:28:43.120 --> 0:28:45.600 because of the talent pool, what what is available to 0:28:45.720 --> 0:28:48.720 you is very different in free agency than it is 0:28:48.760 --> 0:28:51.160 in the draft. You can't force it in free agency, 0:28:51.400 --> 0:28:54.680 you just can't. So that's free agency. I want to 0:28:54.760 --> 0:28:58.080 hit on a few of these top storylines with the combine, 0:28:58.120 --> 0:29:00.680 and then the emails are just rolling in, so we'll 0:29:00.720 --> 0:29:03.480 get to all these emails here in a few minutes. 0:29:03.560 --> 0:29:08.680 But I think the three biggest storylines, sorry, the four 0:29:08.720 --> 0:29:13.920 biggest storylines going in for the Patriots. I figured but 0:29:14.120 --> 0:29:15.480 these are the four that actually matter. 0:29:15.800 --> 0:29:18.640 Okay, one of them is about some guys you really like, 0:29:18.760 --> 0:29:21.040 so I don't think you're gonna have. 0:29:21.000 --> 0:29:22.480 It number one to me. 0:29:22.800 --> 0:29:23.040 Yep. 0:29:23.960 --> 0:29:28.320 And this is not Patriot directly related, but it's Patriot adjacent. 0:29:28.800 --> 0:29:32.480 This is the time of year where the quarterbacks really 0:29:32.520 --> 0:29:35.160 start to solidify themselves, right. You start to get into 0:29:35.200 --> 0:29:38.040 those meeting rooms, you start to get into throwing sessions. 0:29:38.440 --> 0:29:41.760 But most importantly, at an event like the Combine, this 0:29:41.840 --> 0:29:44.440 is probably the first time that these teams have truly 0:29:44.840 --> 0:29:49.320 interacted with cam Ward and interacted with Shador Sanders face 0:29:49.360 --> 0:29:52.280 to face in their top decision makers, their general managers, 0:29:52.440 --> 0:29:55.640 they're head coaches, their offensive coordinators, putting them up on 0:29:55.680 --> 0:29:58.760 the whiteboard, talking to these guys about football, talking about 0:29:59.040 --> 0:30:01.840 life with these guys. That's a big deal in this 0:30:01.960 --> 0:30:04.000 draft for the Patriots, even though they don't need a quarterback, 0:30:04.040 --> 0:30:06.720 we all know the scenario. If they can get two 0:30:06.760 --> 0:30:09.320 of these quarterbacks to get to go in the first 0:30:09.520 --> 0:30:12.160 three picks of this draft, it changes everything for the 0:30:12.320 --> 0:30:15.480 entire draft for the Patriots. If Abdul Carter or Travis 0:30:15.560 --> 0:30:17.480 Hunter is sitting there at the fourth overall pick and 0:30:17.520 --> 0:30:20.040 they need the quarterbacks to go, So I just quickly 0:30:20.080 --> 0:30:21.320 on the quarterback or. 0:30:21.240 --> 0:30:23.280 Just within that even if one goes and it's not 0:30:23.320 --> 0:30:26.840 the ideal scenario, but somebody's showing enough that the Raiders 0:30:26.920 --> 0:30:28.680 or the Saints fall in love and are willing to 0:30:29.080 --> 0:30:31.520 give up the typical quarterback package to move up and 0:30:31.520 --> 0:30:31.880 get them. 0:30:32.000 --> 0:30:35.560 Yeah, fair enough. Looking quickly at these quarterbacks, I haven't 0:30:35.560 --> 0:30:38.960 done deep dives into these quarterbacks, but I have done, 0:30:39.600 --> 0:30:41.960 you know enough that I feel watched Xavierstrepo. 0:30:42.040 --> 0:30:43.760 You've watched Travis Hunters. 0:30:44.200 --> 0:30:46.520 So I've seen enough of them at this point to 0:30:46.880 --> 0:30:50.440 have a take. And I look at cam Ward, I 0:30:50.840 --> 0:30:52.520 kind of I think I might have test you this. 0:30:52.720 --> 0:30:55.640 I see a little Justin Fields and cam Ward there's 0:30:55.680 --> 0:30:57.720 an issue with holding the ball. There's an issue I 0:30:57.760 --> 0:31:01.280 think in terms of decision making and prosing speed that 0:31:01.440 --> 0:31:05.080 exists there. But there's all sorts of multiple talent, right, 0:31:05.120 --> 0:31:07.440 There's a lot of physical talent, there's a lot of 0:31:07.560 --> 0:31:10.400 arm talent. I think the one difference between Ward and 0:31:10.560 --> 0:31:12.960 Justin Fields and the reason why I brought up Justin Fields. 0:31:13.080 --> 0:31:15.880 Both could run a little bit. Both have the same 0:31:15.960 --> 0:31:17.600 kind of build. I would say, like cam Ward is 0:31:17.600 --> 0:31:19.920 not like a six foot five prospect, right, you know, 0:31:20.040 --> 0:31:22.680 he's gonna be probably more built like a like a 0:31:22.720 --> 0:31:26.800 big running back instead of a typical quarterback build. But 0:31:26.920 --> 0:31:28.640 the one thing I would say is a little bit 0:31:28.640 --> 0:31:31.040 different with cam Ward than Justin Fields. I think his 0:31:31.200 --> 0:31:33.480 arm is more flexible, Like, I think he has more 0:31:34.440 --> 0:31:36.080 he has more pitches to throw, and he can throw 0:31:36.120 --> 0:31:39.800 from different arm angles. Like Justin Field, Justin feels always 0:31:39.840 --> 0:31:42.280 really robotic to me, you know, like it was a 0:31:42.640 --> 0:31:44.880 robotic release. He had to have his feet set and 0:31:44.920 --> 0:31:47.520 have a platform, whereas I think cam Ward's got a 0:31:47.560 --> 0:31:51.560 little bit more of that off platform ability. But you 0:31:51.600 --> 0:31:54.120 could talk yourself into it with cam Ward easily. I 0:31:54.160 --> 0:31:57.400 mean the physical tools are definitely there. I just think 0:31:57.400 --> 0:31:59.720 that there's a little bit of rawness overall to his 0:31:59.760 --> 0:32:04.360 pro into the quarterback nuance in the detail. With Shador Sanders, 0:32:04.800 --> 0:32:06.560 I feel like it's kind of the opposite. I think 0:32:06.600 --> 0:32:09.280 Shador is an okay athlete. I think he has a 0:32:09.360 --> 0:32:12.440 decent arm. I don't think he's wows you with physical 0:32:12.480 --> 0:32:15.200 traits Like I don't think you watch the door and say, wow, 0:32:15.280 --> 0:32:18.560 that is a you know, a Drake may type prospect 0:32:18.680 --> 0:32:20.719 or someone like that that's just got a ton of 0:32:20.720 --> 0:32:23.720 physical talent. But what I do see with Shador is 0:32:23.760 --> 0:32:27.120 like a natural feel for the pocket, a natural feel 0:32:27.160 --> 0:32:30.880 for decision making processing, but just a natural feel for 0:32:31.040 --> 0:32:34.320 quarterback play, which I think makes sense. His father is 0:32:34.320 --> 0:32:36.520 a head coach. Yeah, you know he's gonna he has 0:32:36.600 --> 0:32:39.680 grown up in this life. He's grown up around really 0:32:39.720 --> 0:32:42.360 good quarterbacks. You know, he's worked with Tom Brady, like, 0:32:42.400 --> 0:32:45.720 he's done all that kind of quarterback guru stuff from 0:32:45.920 --> 0:32:48.880 you know, Manning, passing camps and all that good stuff. 0:32:48.920 --> 0:32:51.200 Probably since like the sixth grade, he's been doing all 0:32:51.200 --> 0:32:55.320 this kind of stuff. So he's a natural quarterback, but 0:32:55.440 --> 0:32:58.240 maybe not the athlete that cam Ward is, whereas cam 0:32:58.320 --> 0:33:01.320 Ward's the ball of clay. Both these guys I think 0:33:01.360 --> 0:33:03.720 you can talk yourself into in the top ten. I 0:33:03.720 --> 0:33:06.560 don't think it's as blasphemous as maybe I thought, like 0:33:06.600 --> 0:33:11.160 a month or six weeks ago that agreed, I think 0:33:11.240 --> 0:33:12.720 these guys are better than that. If I had to 0:33:12.720 --> 0:33:15.040 go with cops, like I said, cam Ward reminds me 0:33:15.040 --> 0:33:16.960 a little bit of Justin Fields with maybe a little 0:33:17.000 --> 0:33:19.440 bit more freedom in his arm, And then I would 0:33:19.440 --> 0:33:21.800 say with Shador, I don't know if you how you 0:33:21.800 --> 0:33:23.520 feel about this, But I kind of see a little 0:33:23.520 --> 0:33:25.280 bit of Bonnixt in this game, Like. 0:33:26.000 --> 0:33:26.520 I don't think so. 0:33:26.760 --> 0:33:28.880 I see a good athlete, but not a great athlete. 0:33:28.920 --> 0:33:31.680 I see a good arm, not a great arm. And 0:33:31.840 --> 0:33:34.480 I see some moxie and some toughness. H So I 0:33:34.520 --> 0:33:37.320 see a little bit of bon Nix in there with him. 0:33:37.840 --> 0:33:42.680 But overall, like I Bonix went what twelve or whatever 0:33:42.720 --> 0:33:45.240 it was last year, and you know, justin Fields, I 0:33:45.280 --> 0:33:47.680 think it was ten or eleven wait to Chicago. 0:33:48.080 --> 0:33:50.880 You compare Sanders to bon Nicks, but you also compared 0:33:51.800 --> 0:33:53.920 bo Nicks to quinn Ewers. 0:33:54.880 --> 0:33:56.920 I don't think I've ever compared both you did last year. 0:33:56.960 --> 0:33:59.880 You did last year. I remember this very what is 0:34:00.040 --> 0:34:03.080 You're like, what does it matter? Because quin you weres 0:34:03.080 --> 0:34:04.520 Anders are nothing like. 0:34:04.840 --> 0:34:06.440 I don't think I ever compared both you did. 0:34:06.520 --> 0:34:10.279 I remember it, Okay, I don't know. I think is 0:34:10.280 --> 0:34:12.520 a better athlete and you're giving him credit for I 0:34:12.520 --> 0:34:16.200 thinks is a pretty good athlete. He had a I mean, 0:34:16.200 --> 0:34:19.000 that offensive line in Colorado was atrocious, yep, and he 0:34:19.040 --> 0:34:20.920 had to compensate for that a lot, and I think 0:34:20.920 --> 0:34:23.000 he did a good job of it. But it definitely 0:34:23.040 --> 0:34:26.439 impacted him at times. I'm trying to again, I can't 0:34:26.440 --> 0:34:28.960 get behind Nicks. I'm trying to think of a better comp. 0:34:29.239 --> 0:34:31.439 I'm going back to like quarterback classes in my mind 0:34:31.480 --> 0:34:32.160 right now. 0:34:32.360 --> 0:34:34.680 I feel like my my comp with Nick's other than 0:34:34.719 --> 0:34:36.920 like the skill set part of it is more just 0:34:37.040 --> 0:34:39.360 like how I viewed the ceiling and the floor of 0:34:39.600 --> 0:34:40.960 Shador Sanders. 0:34:40.560 --> 0:34:43.000 Like I think can elevate a little bit. I don't. 0:34:43.200 --> 0:34:45.640 I don't know if he's a true elevator, but I 0:34:45.680 --> 0:34:47.840 think if you put him with Sean Payton and behind 0:34:47.840 --> 0:34:49.960 a great offensive line, and now that you know what 0:34:50.200 --> 0:34:52.840 Denver basically said bo Nix up with, I think that 0:34:52.880 --> 0:34:54.920 there's a really good chance that Shador has a pretty 0:34:54.920 --> 0:34:55.840 good start to his career. 0:34:55.840 --> 0:34:57.759 I think he can do more in terms of like 0:34:57.800 --> 0:35:00.640 throwing receivers open, and I think he can access some 0:35:00.680 --> 0:35:03.360 more parts of the field than bo Nicks can, especially 0:35:03.360 --> 0:35:06.520 when you're talking about between the numbers. I still can't 0:35:06.520 --> 0:35:07.960 really come up with a comp. I'm like trying to 0:35:08.000 --> 0:35:10.840 go back through the years in my brain, but I 0:35:11.320 --> 0:35:11.680 don't know. 0:35:12.160 --> 0:35:15.200 It doesn't matter. Yeah, the comp isn't important. The important 0:35:15.200 --> 0:35:17.640 part is is that this is the time of year 0:35:17.680 --> 0:35:20.520 where it really kind of starts for these quarterbacks in 0:35:20.640 --> 0:35:25.000 terms of all of the interview process, the vetting process, 0:35:25.560 --> 0:35:27.759 and all that kind of stuff that makes a lot 0:35:27.800 --> 0:35:30.759 of these decisions at this time of year. Like if 0:35:30.800 --> 0:35:36.640 you were in honest, true serum form with Elliott Wolf 0:35:37.360 --> 0:35:40.080 and Girodemeo this time last year, they truly did not 0:35:40.160 --> 0:35:42.640 know which quarterback they were gonna take necessarily, I don't 0:35:42.640 --> 0:35:45.359 think at three overall, once you get through the pro 0:35:45.440 --> 0:35:48.320 days and stuff like that, it really starts to solidify itself. 0:35:48.400 --> 0:35:50.480 So that's the quarterback take. 0:35:50.800 --> 0:35:53.399 I want to add on to that, But real quick, 0:35:53.440 --> 0:35:56.480 how about as a comp that's not a do on 0:35:56.800 --> 0:35:58.360 say Baker Mayfield because they both kind of have that 0:35:58.440 --> 0:36:03.200 moxy they can bols. What are we talking about? You 0:36:03.239 --> 0:36:04.040 did you need? 0:36:04.120 --> 0:36:06.399 You need to go watch bo Nix last year with Denver? 0:36:06.600 --> 0:36:07.799 I really don't. Yeah, you do. 0:36:08.120 --> 0:36:09.160 It was better than you think. 0:36:09.239 --> 0:36:11.120 The the other thing about the uh. 0:36:11.440 --> 0:36:14.040 You just said Baker, that's literally bo Nicks. 0:36:13.840 --> 0:36:16.600 No, Baker, Baker. Baker is more of a live arm. 0:36:17.080 --> 0:36:20.360 I think he's better in the intermediate, he's better in 0:36:20.360 --> 0:36:24.720 the pocket. Maybe if we're doing floor ceiling or middle ceiling. 0:36:24.840 --> 0:36:28.040 Okay, I think if you're comparing him to Baker and 0:36:28.480 --> 0:36:30.960 bo Nicks and I'm comparing him to Bonnicks, I think 0:36:30.960 --> 0:36:31.719 we're in the same ball. 0:36:31.840 --> 0:36:34.880 I think, yeah, we just feel very differently about Bonex. Yeah. 0:36:36.160 --> 0:36:38.680 I know. The other thing with the quarterbacks too, is like, 0:36:38.680 --> 0:36:41.600 does anybody else enter this conversation? And I know that 0:36:41.640 --> 0:36:44.960 sounds ridiculous in this quarterback class where you know, comparing 0:36:44.960 --> 0:36:48.640 the top prospects to Justin Fields and Bonnicks. But if 0:36:49.040 --> 0:36:52.319 somebody else does move up, you know, now maybe a 0:36:52.320 --> 0:36:54.879 third teams trading up for that pick, or somebody moves 0:36:54.960 --> 0:36:56.680 up in the late first round, and that pushes a 0:36:56.719 --> 0:36:59.719 prospect down a thirty eight something like that. So the 0:36:59.719 --> 0:37:03.480 guy I'm looking at, for whatever reason, Jackson Dart, got 0:37:03.520 --> 0:37:05.319 a ton of hype after the Senior Bowl. 0:37:05.600 --> 0:37:07.000 Good agent, It's J. J. 0:37:07.120 --> 0:37:09.080 McCarthy all over again. I have no clue what is 0:37:09.160 --> 0:37:12.560 going on there, but you know what, sure, I'll say this, 0:37:12.880 --> 0:37:15.279 I think an NFL teams should totally give up a 0:37:15.320 --> 0:37:17.239 ton to trade up to four to take Jackson Dart 0:37:17.280 --> 0:37:20.000 right like I would love that, Please do go ahead. 0:37:20.239 --> 0:37:22.359 It's not gonna happen, But like does Jackson Dart build 0:37:22.360 --> 0:37:26.000 on any of that momentum. Will Howard off winning the 0:37:26.080 --> 0:37:29.919 National Championship and really turning things around off that Oregon game. 0:37:30.280 --> 0:37:33.400 He's got the frame, he's got the arm, he's a 0:37:33.400 --> 0:37:36.240 little bit older, he has that experience. He's somebody. Maybe 0:37:36.440 --> 0:37:38.160 if he tests well at the combine, I could see 0:37:38.160 --> 0:37:40.480 teams buying in on. And then the real wild carters 0:37:40.560 --> 0:37:43.279 Jalen Milroe, who obviously did not have the season a 0:37:43.280 --> 0:37:45.120 lot of people wanted him to have coming off of 0:37:45.160 --> 0:37:47.400 what was a very very good twenty twenty three season. 0:37:47.719 --> 0:37:53.520 But the athleticism, the arm, strength, the the what's the 0:37:53.560 --> 0:37:59.760 word courage, I guess in the pocket, like toughness, toughness 0:37:59.800 --> 0:38:01.920 in the pocket. That's a good one, you know. It's 0:38:01.960 --> 0:38:04.520 you talk about a Paul of Clay, big time ball 0:38:04.560 --> 0:38:04.919 of Clay. 0:38:05.320 --> 0:38:06.440 That was an interesting one to me. 0:38:06.840 --> 0:38:08.640 Those are the three if there's gonna be a those 0:38:08.680 --> 0:38:11.239 are the competitors with QB three. To me, it's Will Howard, 0:38:11.600 --> 0:38:15.120 it's Jackson Dart, and it's Jaln Milroe. Will Howard and 0:38:15.280 --> 0:38:17.840 Jaln Milroe or kind of a flavor thing. I'm literally 0:38:17.880 --> 0:38:20.560 only including Jackson Dart. It's the same thing we did 0:38:20.600 --> 0:38:22.319 with Will Levis a couple of years ago too, where 0:38:22.360 --> 0:38:24.520 like he's not even as good as he's not. He's 0:38:24.560 --> 0:38:26.360 a worse. Will Levis is my cop. But it's like 0:38:26.960 --> 0:38:29.359 I refuse to talk about Will Levis going as high 0:38:29.360 --> 0:38:30.920 as people said he was going to until it got 0:38:30.920 --> 0:38:32.800 to the point where, well, I have to acknowledge it 0:38:32.800 --> 0:38:34.640 because so many people are talking about it. So fine, 0:38:34.640 --> 0:38:37.200 I'll talk about it, but it probably shouldn't happen. But 0:38:37.280 --> 0:38:39.640 I'll put him in the conversation because, like you say, 0:38:39.719 --> 0:38:41.480 he's a great agent, so apparently we have to put 0:38:41.560 --> 0:38:44.000 him in the conversation. I'm so glad we're not doing 0:38:44.040 --> 0:38:46.280 quarterbacks with the Patriots this year. I'm so glad. 0:38:46.400 --> 0:38:49.880 I have no idea what anybody saw in Jackson Dart 0:38:49.920 --> 0:38:52.120 that week in Mobile, that all of a sudden he 0:38:52.239 --> 0:38:55.320 became the darling of the quarterbacks that were in Mobile. 0:38:56.040 --> 0:39:00.759 Jalen Milroe is intriguing ish because I hate to do 0:39:00.800 --> 0:39:02.799 this to them, but like it's a copycat league. People 0:39:02.840 --> 0:39:05.560 are gonna see Jalen Hurts and they're gonna think Jalen Milroe. 0:39:05.719 --> 0:39:08.879 They just are. It's lazy and it's bad. But that's 0:39:08.920 --> 0:39:11.279 just the bottom line, that's how the league works. They're 0:39:11.320 --> 0:39:15.160 gonna look at him dual threat quarterback, somebody that most 0:39:15.160 --> 0:39:17.640 people consider raw as a passer. But we can develop 0:39:17.719 --> 0:39:19.279 them and we can get them there, and if he's 0:39:19.320 --> 0:39:22.120 supported and all that stuff, well he'll be Jalen Hurts 0:39:22.200 --> 0:39:24.680 or something like that, and you know, water down Jalen Hurts. 0:39:25.280 --> 0:39:28.520 Will Howard's intriguing to me for one reason, and that's 0:39:28.680 --> 0:39:32.960 that if you're one of these OC or head coach 0:39:33.320 --> 0:39:39.600 play callers that is really convinced that your system is 0:39:39.680 --> 0:39:42.520 just the beas knees right, like your system is just 0:39:42.680 --> 0:39:47.879 going to prop up any quarterback. Kyle Shanahan is an 0:39:47.920 --> 0:39:50.760 obvious one, although I don't really see why. 0:39:50.880 --> 0:39:53.680 But whatever the case, No, what do you mean, you know, 0:39:53.760 --> 0:39:55.520 if they don't want to pay Rock Party. 0:39:55.280 --> 0:39:57.319 It sounds like they're gonna pay Rock Party. 0:39:57.080 --> 0:40:00.080 If they don't want to you Will Howard on day two. 0:40:00.120 --> 0:40:02.600 If they go to brock Purty with the Daniel Jones 0:40:02.640 --> 0:40:04.520 contract and it's like really kind of just a two 0:40:04.600 --> 0:40:08.239 year deal, then maybe obviously Chip Kelly is in Vegas. Now, 0:40:08.800 --> 0:40:10.320 say he need a quarterback. 0:40:09.960 --> 0:40:11.880 Vegas for Will Howard makes a lot of sense. 0:40:11.680 --> 0:40:14.759 If you're looking for that brock Purty type of quarterback 0:40:14.960 --> 0:40:16.600 where all you're asking him to do is hit the 0:40:16.600 --> 0:40:19.160 buttons on the controllers in a perfect situation with the 0:40:19.160 --> 0:40:21.960 perfect line and perfect skilled players and all that kind 0:40:22.040 --> 0:40:25.040 of stuff. Will Howard just did it at Ohio State, right, 0:40:25.239 --> 0:40:26.960 And he can do that. And I think he's different 0:40:26.960 --> 0:40:31.400 from JJ McCarthy because JJ McCarthy was like high ceiling, 0:40:31.400 --> 0:40:33.759 low floor, right, whereas I think Will Howard is just 0:40:33.840 --> 0:40:34.520 game manager. 0:40:34.600 --> 0:40:37.120 Well, there's already different. Will Howard's a lot more experienced, 0:40:37.480 --> 0:40:41.160 he's bigger. Yeah, JJ McCarthy was more athletic. Howard is 0:40:41.840 --> 0:40:44.399 more athletic than people think, especially if you go watch 0:40:44.440 --> 0:40:46.640 the Kansas State tape. He did more with his legs 0:40:46.640 --> 0:40:48.440 at Kings Sikes in need to last year, except the 0:40:48.480 --> 0:40:50.239 one time he really didn't need to when he did 0:40:50.239 --> 0:40:52.640 against Oregon. But I don't know why I keep going 0:40:52.680 --> 0:40:55.080 back to that, but like he's yeah, he's that guy. 0:40:55.200 --> 0:40:58.279 He is as plug and play a quarterback as there 0:40:58.320 --> 0:41:00.600 is in this draft except Jackson darterpar all. 0:41:00.680 --> 0:41:02.520 Right, So that's the quarterbacks. They spend way too much 0:41:02.560 --> 0:41:03.560 time on quarterbacks for team. 0:41:03.920 --> 0:41:06.839 It's no, but it's definitely it's how it sets up 0:41:06.840 --> 0:41:07.520 the board for the paper. 0:41:07.640 --> 0:41:12.279 It's definitely irrelevant, and not only just last thing. It's 0:41:12.280 --> 0:41:14.920 not only irrelevant at four. It could be relevant at 0:41:14.920 --> 0:41:17.359 thirty eight because you brought up Will Levis, who goes 0:41:17.400 --> 0:41:19.600 early second round, and is I think he's the first 0:41:19.640 --> 0:41:22.279 pick of Day two Titans trade up for that he 0:41:22.360 --> 0:41:25.359 might have, They might have. It sounds right, So it's 0:41:25.360 --> 0:41:27.960 a factor twenty three. It's a factor in the in 0:41:28.040 --> 0:41:30.440 the draft of how these quarterbacks fall and what that 0:41:30.480 --> 0:41:33.719 means for the Patriots. The second biggest storyline for the 0:41:33.719 --> 0:41:37.840 Patriots at the combine, I personally think it's the second biggest. 0:41:38.280 --> 0:41:41.400 Maybe Travis Hunter and what he says about his position 0:41:41.560 --> 0:41:44.520 they did both privately and publicly is the biggest, is 0:41:44.520 --> 0:41:47.520 the second biggest story line. But to me personally, Will 0:41:47.520 --> 0:41:50.280 Campbell's arm length and measurements is the second biggest. 0:41:50.320 --> 0:41:54.480 April second, Sunday or March second, sorry Sunday, mark your calendars. 0:41:54.520 --> 0:41:58.560 That to me is the second biggest story line. I've 0:41:58.560 --> 0:42:01.160 gone back and forth enough about on Twitter with people. 0:42:02.800 --> 0:42:06.319 I think everybody understands my stance on Will Campbell. The 0:42:06.400 --> 0:42:09.600 one thing I'll continue to just say about Will Campbell 0:42:10.040 --> 0:42:12.440 stop calling it a major reach if they take him 0:42:12.440 --> 0:42:14.680 at four. We got to stop with that. It's not 0:42:15.040 --> 0:42:18.000 He's a consensus top player in the draft. He's been 0:42:18.080 --> 0:42:21.520 a top tackle prospect in the draft since last year, 0:42:22.040 --> 0:42:24.239 when a lot of people thought he would have been, 0:42:24.760 --> 0:42:28.080 you know, right in between Joe Walton and Olufushanu if 0:42:28.080 --> 0:42:29.000 he was able to come. 0:42:28.840 --> 0:42:31.960 Out last year, which is I still think where he is, yeah, 0:42:32.000 --> 0:42:32.879 as a player. 0:42:32.920 --> 0:42:35.400 And now he is this year. He's sixth on the 0:42:35.400 --> 0:42:39.120 consensus board. He's sixth on Dan Brugler's Top one hundred, 0:42:39.320 --> 0:42:42.480 He's eighth and DJ's top fifty. He is a top 0:42:43.040 --> 0:42:46.719 top prospect in this draft. If he comes in next 0:42:46.800 --> 0:42:49.760 week and he's got thirty two and one eighths inch arms, 0:42:49.920 --> 0:42:51.360 that we have to put it to bed, and I 0:42:51.400 --> 0:42:53.160 will let it go. I will put it to bed 0:42:53.239 --> 0:42:55.640 at that point. I don't think that's going to be 0:42:55.640 --> 0:42:56.000 the case. 0:42:56.120 --> 0:42:57.680 I don't think so either. It's just a hunch. 0:42:58.040 --> 0:42:59.719 I don't have any great information, a hunch. 0:43:00.200 --> 0:43:03.400 It's more a hunt for me because Daniel Jeremiah tweeted 0:43:03.440 --> 0:43:07.200 I think in late January that Campbell was working out 0:43:07.320 --> 0:43:09.879 as a tackle and he could he can go buy 0:43:09.880 --> 0:43:12.200 a tape measure he can measure his arms right. If 0:43:12.239 --> 0:43:14.520 he thinks he's gonna be going through the process as 0:43:14.560 --> 0:43:17.279 a guard, training is a tackle is a massive waste 0:43:17.320 --> 0:43:20.879 of time and a very important taking his life. So 0:43:20.920 --> 0:43:24.000 if he's still training as a tackle, my guess is 0:43:24.080 --> 0:43:25.640 he has an idea that he's going to measure in 0:43:25.680 --> 0:43:26.240 as a tackle. 0:43:26.719 --> 0:43:28.480 I think he's going to come in right over thirty 0:43:28.480 --> 0:43:30.640 three inches. And this is just a hunch. I don't 0:43:30.640 --> 0:43:32.960 have any inside information. I just think he's going to 0:43:33.000 --> 0:43:34.080 come in right over thirty three. 0:43:34.200 --> 0:43:35.680 Have you seen the people who did the thing where 0:43:35.719 --> 0:43:38.520 it's like the computer generated it's him, and all right, 0:43:38.560 --> 0:43:40.440 we know he's this tall and he'll do this, and 0:43:41.000 --> 0:43:45.719 it's gonna as talking fever about this the other day. 0:43:45.880 --> 0:43:47.760 He's gonna come in at thirty two and seven eighths 0:43:47.800 --> 0:43:51.200 because that's for the content, that's where it's the best. 0:43:51.200 --> 0:43:54.440 Because he comes in thirty three or higher, he's a tackle. Yeah, 0:43:54.480 --> 0:43:57.160 thirty two and a half or less, he's a guard. Yeah, 0:43:57.400 --> 0:43:59.279 thirty two and seven eighths is where we have the 0:43:59.280 --> 0:44:03.360 conversation because now it becomes is he okay, he's below 0:44:03.400 --> 0:44:08.480 the benchmark, but by literally like this much, right, is 0:44:08.480 --> 0:44:10.560 he talented enough to reset the benchmark the way ra 0:44:10.560 --> 0:44:13.040 Shaan Slater did three years ago. Thirty two and seven 0:44:13.080 --> 0:44:15.920 eighths is where the conversation is anything else. There's no 0:44:16.000 --> 0:44:18.800 conversation one way or the other. I'll make this pledge 0:44:18.840 --> 0:44:20.480 to all the people that hate Will Campbell out there 0:44:20.520 --> 0:44:23.319 right now. If he comes in over thirty three, you 0:44:23.400 --> 0:44:25.640 shut up about the guard stuff. If he comes in 0:44:25.680 --> 0:44:27.799 thirty two and a half or less, all shut up 0:44:27.800 --> 0:44:30.360 about the tackle stuff. Thirty two and seven eighths is 0:44:30.400 --> 0:44:31.200 where we have a debate. 0:44:32.480 --> 0:44:36.120 I look at Will Campbell's film and I just I've 0:44:36.160 --> 0:44:39.480 watched multiple times. Yeah, I try to see both sides 0:44:39.520 --> 0:44:42.360 of it. I just don't think that length is his 0:44:42.360 --> 0:44:45.200 biggest issue. I'm not saying that he doesn't have to 0:44:45.200 --> 0:44:47.040 make up for it a little bit in other ways, 0:44:47.080 --> 0:44:47.680 because he does. 0:44:47.760 --> 0:44:49.520 There's no such thing as a perfect process. But I 0:44:49.600 --> 0:44:50.359 don't I see. 0:44:50.440 --> 0:44:53.040 His biggest issue to me right now is that he 0:44:53.120 --> 0:44:57.239 overshoots or oversets his landmark to the outside, and that 0:44:57.360 --> 0:45:00.000 opens up those inside counters, right, so he gets spun off, 0:45:00.400 --> 0:45:02.480 or he gets beat to the inside, across his face 0:45:02.760 --> 0:45:05.319 and things of that nature. That to me is more 0:45:05.360 --> 0:45:09.040 about like footwork than it is about length. And with 0:45:09.239 --> 0:45:11.880 tackle play and offensive line play, everything starts from the 0:45:11.880 --> 0:45:15.160 ground up. It's a lot like quarterback. It's everything starts 0:45:15.160 --> 0:45:18.080 with your feet. It's feet, and then it's do you 0:45:18.120 --> 0:45:21.319 have a natural plan and feel for the position and 0:45:21.360 --> 0:45:23.920 play strength? Those are the three biggest boxes you need 0:45:23.920 --> 0:45:26.319 to check. He checks all three of those boxes. He's 0:45:26.360 --> 0:45:28.360 a great athlete for the position. He moves well for 0:45:28.440 --> 0:45:32.839 the position. He's a very very seasoned and battle tested. 0:45:32.520 --> 0:45:36.759 Tackle in the by the way, he's. 0:45:36.040 --> 0:45:39.160 Strong as heck. It's probably his best strength is his 0:45:39.200 --> 0:45:41.520 core strength and his upper body twitch and his power 0:45:41.800 --> 0:45:44.920 in his h in his body. He's a very strong dude. 0:45:45.040 --> 0:45:47.359 So when you check all three of those boxes, like 0:45:47.400 --> 0:45:50.719 those are the foundational elements to me to play tackle. 0:45:50.440 --> 0:45:51.040 In the league. 0:45:51.239 --> 0:45:53.480 Now we can talk about, all right, how is he 0:45:53.560 --> 0:45:56.160 going to hand fight? How is he going to set 0:45:56.400 --> 0:45:59.239 to counter the fact that he doesn't have the great length? 0:45:59.280 --> 0:46:01.719 That's all coach, which I agree is all coachable. 0:46:01.800 --> 0:46:03.800 So as Lexie's functional length, we'll. 0:46:03.680 --> 0:46:06.280 Get to Will Campbell, you know, we'll see his arm length. 0:46:06.600 --> 0:46:08.200 Maybe we put it to bed one way or and 0:46:08.239 --> 0:46:08.879 now there, let me. 0:46:08.800 --> 0:46:11.480 Ask you this. I'm putting it to bed because a 0:46:11.480 --> 0:46:13.040 lot of people want them to trade down, and we 0:46:13.120 --> 0:46:15.000 talked earlier about how they don't have a clear starting 0:46:15.080 --> 0:46:19.480 left guard. Yeah, let's say they sign Alaric Jackson in 0:46:19.520 --> 0:46:22.680 free agency, right, and you know they moved down in 0:46:22.680 --> 0:46:24.160 the draft. Let's say they moved down to like ten 0:46:24.200 --> 0:46:27.680 eleven twelve somewhere in there. Would you take him as 0:46:27.680 --> 0:46:29.240 a guard at ten eleven twelve. 0:46:29.520 --> 0:46:32.200 Oh, at ten eleven twelve, probably. 0:46:32.040 --> 0:46:34.760 Not a four. I'm not at four if they depending 0:46:34.760 --> 0:46:37.239 on what happens in free agency, there might be because 0:46:37.239 --> 0:46:38.520 I think he's a hell of a guard too, if 0:46:38.520 --> 0:46:41.640 he's playing guard. Yeah, Like, if you move down, there's 0:46:41.680 --> 0:46:43.720 a chance he's, you know, one of the better players 0:46:43.719 --> 0:46:45.080 of bill. I don't know that i'd take him over 0:46:45.080 --> 0:46:47.319 like a Tyler Warren, But if you move down that far, 0:46:47.400 --> 0:46:49.080 you get what's fair for it. I'm not writing him 0:46:49.080 --> 0:46:52.319 off in Tigerly, it just becomes a lot, lot lot 0:46:52.440 --> 0:46:53.480 less realistic. 0:46:53.840 --> 0:46:56.080 I just look at two things that I hear a 0:46:56.120 --> 0:46:59.319 lot with Will Campbell. One is that he'd be a 0:46:59.320 --> 0:47:01.719 massive reach out for I need this not sure that 0:47:01.760 --> 0:47:03.399 needs to stop, but that's not true. And the other 0:47:03.800 --> 0:47:07.240 is the word value, and that the value isn't good enough, 0:47:07.360 --> 0:47:08.839 which I'm not really sure what that means. 0:47:08.880 --> 0:47:11.719 I it's it's something. Well, it's like, what does that mean? 0:47:12.160 --> 0:47:15.040 It's also the thing people Well, I think it's just 0:47:15.120 --> 0:47:18.440 something people use as a placeholder. I feel like it's 0:47:18.480 --> 0:47:21.040 a This is a and I'm not like coming at anybody. 0:47:21.120 --> 0:47:22.920 I mean this honestly, and it's something I've dealt with. 0:47:23.239 --> 0:47:26.640 This is a difficult draft to talk about because of 0:47:26.680 --> 0:47:29.080 the lack of talent. Yeah, and a lot of things 0:47:29.080 --> 0:47:32.319 that we usually fall back on maybe aren't available. So 0:47:32.360 --> 0:47:35.040 when I hear people say I wouldn't take Will Campbell 0:47:35.080 --> 0:47:37.360 at four, the value is taking him at you know, 0:47:37.400 --> 0:47:39.600 seven eight nine. I wouldn't take Tech McMillan at four, 0:47:39.680 --> 0:47:41.800 but I take him at seven eight nine. Right, Guys 0:47:41.880 --> 0:47:45.160 like that, you know, uh, Mason Graham, same thing. Wouldn't 0:47:45.160 --> 0:47:46.319 take him at four, but I feel a lot better 0:47:46.360 --> 0:47:48.719 take him at seven eight nine because you feel like 0:47:48.760 --> 0:47:52.279 in a normal draft, that's where he go. Okay, well, 0:47:52.320 --> 0:47:53.839 you got to tell me then, when you move back 0:47:53.840 --> 0:47:56.279 from four to seven, or you moved back from four 0:47:56.280 --> 0:48:00.160 to nine, who's going in the picks in between? It's 0:48:00.160 --> 0:48:05.680 pushing him down because if you like and don't get 0:48:05.719 --> 0:48:06.919 to magically move back. 0:48:06.960 --> 0:48:09.720 And the other thing with the trade down thing that 0:48:09.719 --> 0:48:12.919 that's starting to bug me is why is the team 0:48:12.960 --> 0:48:14.880 at at nine or the team at seven or the 0:48:14.920 --> 0:48:17.279 team at ten or whatever, like you have to have 0:48:17.320 --> 0:48:18.520 a reason to trade to nine. 0:48:18.600 --> 0:48:20.359 Six And I shouldn't have been using seven. I pulled 0:48:20.360 --> 0:48:22.800 that out of my ass. It's six and nine. 0:48:21.880 --> 0:48:26.080 It's okay, But you're convincing me. Then they're trading up 0:48:26.080 --> 0:48:28.719 for the quarterback, right, which I. 0:48:28.719 --> 0:48:30.960 Just don't see happening. It's not a guarantee, but just 0:48:31.080 --> 0:48:32.520 for the sake of the conversation, right. 0:48:32.520 --> 0:48:34.439 Correct, But like that's what we're doing. We're just making 0:48:34.520 --> 0:48:37.520 up conversation. And like six and nine to me, like 0:48:37.560 --> 0:48:42.360 every we would all unless Abdol Carter, Travis Hunter is 0:48:42.360 --> 0:48:45.120 sitting there at four, Yeah, I would confidently say that 0:48:45.160 --> 0:48:47.439 we would all take the trade down. We would all 0:48:47.440 --> 0:48:50.120 do it. We would all trade down in this draft. 0:48:50.320 --> 0:48:53.360 It's the way to go for them. It adds draft capital. 0:48:53.560 --> 0:48:55.880 It's not a great top of the draft. You're not 0:48:56.040 --> 0:48:59.240 talking about getting a Joe Alter or Marvin Harrison junior 0:48:59.200 --> 0:49:02.279 or a Molik neighbor level talent at that spot, it's 0:49:02.320 --> 0:49:05.160 the move. But who is trading up and why? And 0:49:05.239 --> 0:49:07.399 what are you getting for it? Like is it worth 0:49:07.400 --> 0:49:07.760 the trade? 0:49:07.800 --> 0:49:09.520 That's that's the other thing. You don't just move down 0:49:09.560 --> 0:49:12.759 if it's all right, you know Saints called move down 0:49:12.800 --> 0:49:15.880 to nine, you know will give you nine and a 0:49:15.920 --> 0:49:19.360 third round pick. No, that's not worth it, and you 0:49:19.360 --> 0:49:22.359 don't want to set that precedent, even if somebody might say, well, 0:49:22.400 --> 0:49:23.960 if that's all you can get in this draft, it's 0:49:24.000 --> 0:49:27.680 better than nothing. But now next year, when you're on 0:49:27.719 --> 0:49:30.840 the phone with teams, like you've set and this is 0:49:30.840 --> 0:49:33.040 gonna happen to other teams too, like you've set the value. 0:49:33.480 --> 0:49:36.960 It's it's economics at that point. Now six to nine 0:49:37.480 --> 0:49:39.920 is worth a third round pick, which it's not. And 0:49:39.960 --> 0:49:41.680 you don't want to set the precedent that it is 0:49:41.920 --> 0:49:44.000 because you might be trading down in the future and 0:49:44.040 --> 0:49:45.920 you don't want to have to set that. You're just 0:49:46.080 --> 0:49:48.560 you're you're it just to me. 0:49:48.920 --> 0:49:51.879 It's just comes back to you have to look at 0:49:51.880 --> 0:49:55.319 it and say, who is trading up and why are 0:49:55.360 --> 0:49:58.680 they trading up? And then to your point, who is 0:49:58.760 --> 0:50:01.920 going right from at nine? To make sure that you're 0:50:01.920 --> 0:50:05.239 getting Will Campbell at nine now or Ted McMillan at nine. 0:50:05.480 --> 0:50:08.279 For these mythical players that are going in between that. 0:50:08.640 --> 0:50:11.440 You know, if there's nobody who feel comfortable being drafting 0:50:11.480 --> 0:50:14.400 at four and five or six guys you feel comfortable 0:50:14.480 --> 0:50:17.839 drafting at nine, guess what those five guys are going 0:50:17.880 --> 0:50:20.759 between four and nine, right, Like, that's who's gonna fill 0:50:20.840 --> 0:50:23.800 Somebody's gonna fill that gap. So that part's really important 0:50:23.840 --> 0:50:28.240 to keep in mind that you're, uh, it's six sixth 0:50:28.320 --> 0:50:30.640 right on Danie jeremiahs board, Will Campbell sixth. 0:50:30.680 --> 0:50:33.279 He's eighth on on DJ's and he's sixth on Dane Brew. 0:50:33.440 --> 0:50:36.160 Fine, that's fine. And I don't know if he has 0:50:36.200 --> 0:50:39.040 the quarterbacks above them, but like I don't believe you 0:50:39.080 --> 0:50:40.880 can almost just erase those guys that he does, or 0:50:40.880 --> 0:50:44.279 if he is genty above him, you can erase genty right. Well, 0:50:44.280 --> 0:50:46.240 that goes to my other point of best player available, 0:50:46.239 --> 0:50:48.360 and this is bugging me. Just take the best player available. 0:50:48.400 --> 0:50:50.560 And you know how I feel about this, yea, what 0:50:51.120 --> 0:50:55.840 best player available is a myth? Just saying I want 0:50:55.880 --> 0:50:58.080 the team to draft the best player available as a myth, 0:50:58.320 --> 0:51:00.759 because what does that mean if we were going to 0:51:00.840 --> 0:51:04.279 say evan best player. Okay, so we're ranking them out 0:51:04.280 --> 0:51:06.840 of one hundred, right, how good are they at their position? 0:51:06.880 --> 0:51:10.919 Out of one hundred? Ashton Genty a better running back 0:51:11.000 --> 0:51:14.480 than Mason Graham is a tackle? Defense tackle? All right? 0:51:14.560 --> 0:51:17.600 So according to best player available logic, we're taking Ashton Genty. 0:51:17.640 --> 0:51:20.480 Is Ashton Genty a better running back then? I mean 0:51:20.480 --> 0:51:22.600 who else is? I'll throw Will Campbell in there is 0:51:22.640 --> 0:51:24.440 Ashton gent a better running back than Will Campbell is 0:51:24.440 --> 0:51:30.200 a tackle? Yes? Yeah? So is Go back to last year, 0:51:31.120 --> 0:51:33.200 if we're just talking about who was the best at 0:51:33.200 --> 0:51:36.200 their position, Tory Taylor was the best player on the 0:51:36.239 --> 0:51:40.320 board by pick like five or six something like that. 0:51:40.360 --> 0:51:42.400 I don't remember exactly. A lot of teams passed on 0:51:42.400 --> 0:51:43.799 Tory Taylor. A lot of teams didn't take the best 0:51:43.800 --> 0:51:46.080 player available. Now people are yelling at me, it's a punter, 0:51:46.200 --> 0:51:49.640 it's a running big. Well, now we're putting qualifiers on it. 0:51:49.920 --> 0:51:52.520 Now we're talking about positional value. So it's not best 0:51:52.560 --> 0:51:55.879 player available, it's and even within that, even if it's 0:51:55.880 --> 0:51:58.000 a guy to premium position. And this isn't something the 0:51:58.000 --> 0:52:01.160 Patriots are necessarily dealing with. This year. Beyond quarterback or 0:52:01.160 --> 0:52:04.400 maybe corner. You need a guy that's gonna play. You 0:52:04.680 --> 0:52:06.520 need a guy that's gonna have a path to succeed. 0:52:06.800 --> 0:52:09.480 So best player available really means best player available for 0:52:09.480 --> 0:52:12.279 the football team. That's not purely drafting for need either, 0:52:12.360 --> 0:52:14.600 because you can go in the in the too far 0:52:14.640 --> 0:52:16.520 in the other direction and that's how you end up with, 0:52:16.640 --> 0:52:19.040 you know, taking guards and you know too high and 0:52:19.120 --> 0:52:21.279 running backs to hie and things like that. You want 0:52:21.320 --> 0:52:22.840 a guy that is gonna give you the bang for 0:52:22.880 --> 0:52:26.479 the buck, and that's where value comes in. But there's 0:52:26.520 --> 0:52:28.840 a happy medium there just saying you're gonna draft the 0:52:28.880 --> 0:52:32.279 best player. You're gonna be drafting punters and running backs 0:52:32.320 --> 0:52:35.320 because usually five or six picks in the most talented 0:52:35.320 --> 0:52:37.960 player on the board punter, running back, kicker, maybe a 0:52:37.960 --> 0:52:41.640 guard because those positions are devalued, so you have to 0:52:41.680 --> 0:52:42.680 find that balance. 0:52:42.800 --> 0:52:44.560 So I think this is like a new segment that 0:52:44.600 --> 0:52:46.560 we might have and I understand that it's it's a 0:52:46.560 --> 0:52:50.279 little bit maybe pretentious on our end, but like the 0:52:50.320 --> 0:52:52.719 things that are just bugging us about the draft discourse, 0:52:52.800 --> 0:52:54.840 because I feel like this draft is already getting it. 0:52:54.960 --> 0:52:55.879 I've ever a. 0:52:55.880 --> 0:52:58.879 Long time said best player available as a myth. I've 0:52:58.880 --> 0:53:00.200 said that for two or three years. 0:53:00.160 --> 0:53:02.440 A month and that's not new. And I'm already annoyed 0:53:02.440 --> 0:53:05.000 by several things. The trade down one is annoying me 0:53:05.560 --> 0:53:07.640 because this is one of those drafts when I and 0:53:07.800 --> 0:53:11.279 when I was in Mobile, everybody everybody wants to trade down. 0:53:11.719 --> 0:53:15.400 Nobody wants to pick in this draft. Everybody wants to. 0:53:15.280 --> 0:53:18.080 Trade downing you keep everybody. 0:53:18.320 --> 0:53:21.719 If everybody wants to trade down, then who is trading up? 0:53:22.280 --> 0:53:24.440 Like I know, to go back to go, I will 0:53:24.440 --> 0:53:27.480 say it's crazy. Everyone wants to trade down. No one 0:53:27.520 --> 0:53:28.800 wants to pick high in this draft. 0:53:28.840 --> 0:53:30.719 I'll entertain the trade up trade down thing a little 0:53:30.719 --> 0:53:33.399 bit more because at the end of the day, when 0:53:33.400 --> 0:53:36.239 push comes to shove, we know teams will get dumb 0:53:36.280 --> 0:53:39.440 about quarterbacks. We know We've seen it time and time. 0:53:39.880 --> 0:53:42.240 Teams might get dumb about the quarterbacks in this draft 0:53:42.280 --> 0:53:44.560 because it's at that point it's just like the town 0:53:44.600 --> 0:53:49.120 stinks anyways. So like, if we're Tennessee and we really 0:53:49.760 --> 0:53:52.400 have a strong grade on cam Ward. 0:53:52.400 --> 0:53:54.359 We feel good about it. We don't think he might 0:53:54.360 --> 0:53:55.600 not be an MVP. 0:53:55.440 --> 0:53:57.880 Caliber quarterback, but we feel like he can be a 0:53:57.880 --> 0:54:00.799 starting quarterback in this league and we still have like 0:54:00.840 --> 0:54:03.400 a comparable ish grade on him as we do on 0:54:03.440 --> 0:54:07.000 Abdul Carter, Then like, why wouldn't we take the quarterback? Right? 0:54:07.040 --> 0:54:08.759 And that's how I feel about all the options for 0:54:08.800 --> 0:54:11.440 the Patriots at four to like your best player available point. 0:54:12.440 --> 0:54:15.800 If all these players are clustered together, If Will Campbell 0:54:16.000 --> 0:54:20.600 and Mason Graham and Ted McMillan and Tyler Warren or 0:54:20.640 --> 0:54:24.640 whoever are all in one big cluster on your draft board, 0:54:24.960 --> 0:54:26.960 position is a factors. 0:54:27.000 --> 0:54:28.880 It does start to factor. It's the tie breaker. 0:54:29.560 --> 0:54:33.759 It's a tiebreaker, right, because otherwise it just you have 0:54:33.800 --> 0:54:36.759 to pick somebody. So to get to who you're gonna pick, 0:54:37.000 --> 0:54:39.239 you're gonna start to go to some of the things 0:54:39.239 --> 0:54:42.040 that maybe don't matter quite as much as the overall 0:54:42.080 --> 0:54:44.760 talent of the player, but are factors in the decision. 0:54:44.960 --> 0:54:49.080 Positional value, how we interviewed, how he measured, how is 0:54:49.160 --> 0:54:52.200 athletic testing, Like all these different things are gonna start 0:54:52.239 --> 0:54:55.799 to be the tiebreakers because all this talent is kind 0:54:55.800 --> 0:54:58.480 of condensed. And in this draft, I feel like that 0:54:58.880 --> 0:55:02.160 is so true more than any other draft I've ever covered. 0:55:02.360 --> 0:55:04.920 That From like four to twelve. It's all kind of 0:55:04.920 --> 0:55:07.520 the same player. So now it's do you need to tackle? 0:55:07.680 --> 0:55:09.600 Do you need a running back? Do you need a 0:55:10.320 --> 0:55:12.680 pass rusher? Do you do you need a corner? 0:55:12.719 --> 0:55:15.359 Will Johnson and we can debate, We can debate what 0:55:15.400 --> 0:55:17.799 the biggest need is at that point, like that's fair 0:55:17.800 --> 0:55:19.760 to do. And I think we both think it's tackling 0:55:20.120 --> 0:55:26.200 of those edge rusher. I might have that conversation, but yeah, yeah, 0:55:26.239 --> 0:55:29.360 to me, it's at that point. Position does factor and 0:55:29.400 --> 0:55:32.560 as well. But I'm not ruling out the trade down entirely. 0:55:32.640 --> 0:55:32.960 I'm not. 0:55:33.200 --> 0:55:36.319 I'm just telling you that I get that everyone wants 0:55:36.320 --> 0:55:37.160 out of this draft. 0:55:37.360 --> 0:55:39.879 I get that, and it suddenly and then suddenly you're 0:55:39.880 --> 0:55:42.880 a GM and you know the owner is really breathing 0:55:42.920 --> 0:55:44.879 on you. Who's our quarterback going to be this year? 0:55:45.160 --> 0:55:47.120 And maybe get some intel. You know, you're the Saints 0:55:47.160 --> 0:55:51.080 at nine, that were the Jets at seven or eight, whatever. 0:55:51.160 --> 0:55:53.520 You know, the Jets are hot after one of these 0:55:53.600 --> 0:55:56.440 quarterbacks announce all right, you know, gotta we gotta make 0:55:56.480 --> 0:55:59.440 ownership happy. We gotta save our jobs. We need this quarterback. 0:55:59.480 --> 0:56:03.000 We got to move like that can all. I will 0:56:03.040 --> 0:56:06.560 never rule out teams being stupid about quarterbacks. I will 0:56:06.600 --> 0:56:09.399 never rule that out because I've seen it happen too 0:56:09.440 --> 0:56:12.560 many times. I was told last year ad nause them. 0:56:12.600 --> 0:56:15.399 It was yelled into my face that Michael Pennix there 0:56:15.440 --> 0:56:17.360 was no shot he was gonna go in the first round. 0:56:17.600 --> 0:56:19.759 He was QB four. He went in the top ten. 0:56:19.800 --> 0:56:21.200 And I'm not saying that was a dumb pick. I 0:56:21.360 --> 0:56:24.000 liked that pick. The JJ McCarthy one was dumb. And 0:56:24.040 --> 0:56:25.960 that's the one where I was rung where I was like, 0:56:26.000 --> 0:56:27.920 I think teams will get it right, and they didn't. 0:56:28.040 --> 0:56:31.880 They picked them too high. So I quarterbacks will always 0:56:31.880 --> 0:56:34.640 fly up the board. Will they fly up enough that 0:56:34.719 --> 0:56:37.719 it benefits the Patriots in either pushing down Carter or 0:56:37.840 --> 0:56:40.200 Hunter or at least they can get a significant trade 0:56:40.200 --> 0:56:42.600 down out of it that I don't know. That is 0:56:42.640 --> 0:56:46.200 where maybe it's a step too far. But the quarterbacks 0:56:46.200 --> 0:56:48.080 are gonna go higher than people think. They're gonna be 0:56:48.160 --> 0:56:50.560 valued more than people think. A couple of the Tier 0:56:50.640 --> 0:56:53.000 two quarterbacks that we just talked about are gonna get 0:56:53.000 --> 0:56:55.319 talked about as top ten, top fifteen picks. They might 0:56:55.600 --> 0:56:58.360 even end up being that, because that's what generally happens 0:56:58.360 --> 0:57:00.680 with this league in quarterbacks, So saying that any of 0:57:00.680 --> 0:57:03.000 that is correct from the team's point of view, but 0:57:03.040 --> 0:57:04.880 I've seen it happen too many times. I'm not rolling 0:57:04.880 --> 0:57:05.160 it out. 0:57:05.280 --> 0:57:08.480 Okay, next point on here for me in terms of 0:57:08.520 --> 0:57:10.880 the combine. Now that we've gotten all that off our 0:57:10.960 --> 0:57:15.360 chests and I can die, I digress on those points. 0:57:16.440 --> 0:57:20.080 Josh Simmons, So medical rechecks, Yes, that's big time this 0:57:20.200 --> 0:57:22.840 time of year. My guess is that teams that are 0:57:22.840 --> 0:57:25.040 interested in Josh Simmons will also have him in for 0:57:25.120 --> 0:57:28.800 thirty visits to get their own medical staff on location 0:57:29.440 --> 0:57:32.320 to go through the knee as well. But his torn 0:57:32.320 --> 0:57:34.800 bertel attendant and his knee, I don't remember if it's 0:57:34.840 --> 0:57:37.960 left or right. I think it's right. Is the cold 0:57:38.000 --> 0:57:38.720 Strange injury? 0:57:38.920 --> 0:57:39.120 Yep? 0:57:39.200 --> 0:57:43.840 So Cole Strange missed an entire calendar year of football. 0:57:44.040 --> 0:57:46.240 It is worth noting. Didn't he say he had a setback? 0:57:46.840 --> 0:57:49.000 I don't. I don't remember hearing that, but you could 0:57:49.040 --> 0:57:51.680 be right. But so Josh Simmons a left tackle for 0:57:51.720 --> 0:57:55.560 Ohio State. There's there's two big things to go to 0:57:55.600 --> 0:57:58.400 discuss with Josh Simmons. Because the other thing that you 0:57:58.400 --> 0:58:00.000 hear a lot of and I'm not like as I'm 0:58:00.080 --> 0:58:02.040 bothered by this is like the Will Campbell stuff. But 0:58:02.280 --> 0:58:04.480 the other here thing you hear a lot of what 0:58:04.600 --> 0:58:07.360 Josh Simmons is. Well, just take Josh Simmons, right, Just 0:58:07.400 --> 0:58:10.520 take Josh Simmons. Uh, you know, with your second pick 0:58:10.800 --> 0:58:13.000 and that way there you don't have to quote unquote 0:58:13.040 --> 0:58:14.960 reach on a tackle at four. 0:58:15.000 --> 0:58:17.040 Overall, I don't know why I thought cold Strange said 0:58:17.040 --> 0:58:17.720 that I can't find it. 0:58:17.800 --> 0:58:19.120 Oh you mean Josh Simmons. 0:58:19.200 --> 0:58:19.880 No, close Strange. 0:58:19.960 --> 0:58:21.520 You think Strange had a set back. 0:58:21.600 --> 0:58:23.400 No, I thought I remember when he came back. I 0:58:23.400 --> 0:58:25.440 thought I remembered him saying when he was like talking 0:58:25.440 --> 0:58:27.840 about rehab that he was like, oh, like that he 0:58:27.880 --> 0:58:29.800 had a setback on so normally, so. 0:58:29.720 --> 0:58:33.280 That injury has become worse than like the torn ACL 0:58:33.320 --> 0:58:35.880 Like ACLS, they have kind of streamlined the surgery and 0:58:35.920 --> 0:58:38.400 the rehab and they have a good feel for that injury. 0:58:38.760 --> 0:58:42.720 This injury torn Betel attendant is a deadly injury like 0:58:42.760 --> 0:58:47.400 it is not. Again, well, let's say you're being metaphorical there. Yeah, 0:58:47.440 --> 0:58:49.600 of course deadly injuries. 0:58:49.800 --> 0:58:53.640 Okay, that has a literal meaning devastating injury. 0:58:53.760 --> 0:58:56.800 Yes, Uh, to have and so cold strange missed an 0:58:56.880 --> 0:59:00.800 entire calendar year of football. Josh Simmons was injured in 0:59:00.920 --> 0:59:03.880 November of last year, which means that at best we're 0:59:04.120 --> 0:59:07.520 projecting him to come back in November of this coming 0:59:07.560 --> 0:59:11.160 up season to make his NFL debut as a rookie. 0:59:11.240 --> 0:59:13.440 Right So, in. 0:59:13.040 --> 0:59:15.840 All intents and purposes, if you're drafting a guy like 0:59:15.920 --> 0:59:18.640 Josh Simmons as of right now, and there'll be a 0:59:18.680 --> 0:59:22.160 report next week from somebody that he's way ahead of schedule, 0:59:22.360 --> 0:59:24.920 because he always is, what happens, you know, the agent 0:59:24.960 --> 0:59:27.160 puts it out there. I think his agents Drew Rosenhouse, 0:59:27.320 --> 0:59:29.360 he'll put it out there that he's way ahead of 0:59:29.400 --> 0:59:33.160 schedule and make it known that he's going to be 0:59:33.280 --> 0:59:36.840 healthy and ready to go. That being said, if Josh 0:59:36.920 --> 0:59:41.280 Simmons misses a calendar year of football, you are you're 0:59:41.360 --> 0:59:45.680 really not getting him until his second year of service. 0:59:45.760 --> 0:59:47.960 And even then is he going to be the same 0:59:48.000 --> 0:59:50.280 player after the injury. It's a very difficult injury to 0:59:50.280 --> 0:59:52.280 come back from. So on one hand, just from a 0:59:52.280 --> 0:59:54.360 Patriots point of view, I don't know that this team 0:59:54.400 --> 0:59:57.120 can afford to have its first round pick not play 0:59:57.960 --> 0:59:59.440 like they need to be better in the first Roundick 0:59:59.520 --> 1:00:00.480 is going to be a part to that and he's 1:00:00.520 --> 1:00:02.240 not going to play. And then on top of that, 1:00:02.760 --> 1:00:04.760 are you getting the same player? Is their risk of 1:00:04.800 --> 1:00:07.200 re injury? All of that. You know, I've compared it, 1:00:07.240 --> 1:00:10.200 and this is a little bit extreme. I've kind of 1:00:10.200 --> 1:00:12.560 compared it to Dominique Easley. Now. At the time, the 1:00:12.560 --> 1:00:14.280 Patriots were in a position to take a player like 1:00:14.280 --> 1:00:16.520 that because their roster was incredibly deep and they were 1:00:16.520 --> 1:00:18.520 picking at the end of the first round, and how 1:00:18.520 --> 1:00:20.160 do you get a guy who was the top fifteen 1:00:20.240 --> 1:00:22.919 talent at the end of the first round? Medical red flag? 1:00:22.960 --> 1:00:25.120 Malcolm Mitchell was the same thing, was much more talented 1:00:25.120 --> 1:00:27.280 than his draft slot, but had a history of injury. 1:00:27.560 --> 1:00:29.920 You take a significant risk when you take players like that. 1:00:29.960 --> 1:00:31.800 And here people talk about you know, with the talent, 1:00:32.240 --> 1:00:34.200 you know there's not a risk because the talent blah 1:00:34.200 --> 1:00:37.240 blah blah. He's very talented. I get that. The medical 1:00:37.280 --> 1:00:41.200 thing is separate. Well, if he was healthy, but he's not, yeah, 1:00:41.240 --> 1:00:43.160 and you need to evaluate him that way. I had 1:00:43.160 --> 1:00:45.040 a couple other players too for the medical check. 1:00:45.120 --> 1:00:47.040 So the other thing that's big with Josh Simmons and 1:00:47.040 --> 1:00:49.720 I just wanted to point out I think this has 1:00:49.800 --> 1:00:52.800 to be part of the conversation. Josh Simmons played five 1:00:52.840 --> 1:00:55.600 games last year for Ohio State. He played junk, He 1:00:55.640 --> 1:01:00.760 played nobody. He played a terrible you know, typical big 1:01:00.800 --> 1:01:04.760 time college program opening schedule right where he's playing, you know, 1:01:05.160 --> 1:01:08.920 really just not at like high level competition. So he 1:01:09.480 --> 1:01:15.280 absolutely dominated bad competition. Okay, his best competition I think 1:01:15.280 --> 1:01:19.120 he played Iowa in Michigan State, which were too not 1:01:19.280 --> 1:01:19.920 very good football. 1:01:20.000 --> 1:01:21.280 He get hurt against somebody good. 1:01:21.360 --> 1:01:24.240 He got hurt against Oregon. Yeah, in the first half 1:01:24.240 --> 1:01:27.920 against Oregon. He played like twenty snaps against Oregon. So 1:01:28.560 --> 1:01:30.680 if you want to draft a player in the first 1:01:30.800 --> 1:01:33.600 round based off of twenty snaps against Oregon, then be 1:01:33.720 --> 1:01:35.400 my guest. But my point that I'm getting to with 1:01:35.480 --> 1:01:38.840 Josh Simmons, his tape took a really big leap from 1:01:38.880 --> 1:01:41.800 twenty twenty three to twenty twenty four. The problem is 1:01:41.800 --> 1:01:43.680 is that once Ohio State got to the meat of 1:01:43.680 --> 1:01:46.640 the schedule, he was hurt. So we have no idea 1:01:46.680 --> 1:01:50.800 what he would have looked like against Michigan against the 1:01:50.840 --> 1:01:53.240 teams they played in the College Football Playoff. Like we 1:01:53.360 --> 1:01:56.040 just don't know if this tape that was dominant for 1:01:56.120 --> 1:01:59.000 stretches at the beginning part of the season, would it 1:01:59.080 --> 1:02:02.480 have held up against better competition. We'll never know. So 1:02:02.560 --> 1:02:05.960 not only are you taking an injury risk on the player, 1:02:06.360 --> 1:02:09.720 but you're also projecting that this is all was all real, 1:02:10.040 --> 1:02:13.040 that that was all real and all substantive in terms 1:02:13.040 --> 1:02:15.960 of his tape last year. That's a pick to me 1:02:16.000 --> 1:02:19.160 with Josh Simmons, as intriguing as the traits are and 1:02:19.280 --> 1:02:23.560 is intriguing as the prospect profile is with him. If 1:02:23.560 --> 1:02:29.080 you're Kansas City, if you're a San Francisco, if you're 1:02:29.560 --> 1:02:32.240 one of these teams that can take on a little 1:02:32.240 --> 1:02:35.000 bit of risk because you have the talent in other 1:02:35.080 --> 1:02:37.920 areas to take on that risk, this would be a 1:02:38.040 --> 1:02:42.680 classic dynasty era Belichick pick. Right, we're gonna take Josh Simmons. 1:02:42.880 --> 1:02:45.520 He might not play as a rookie, but in year two, 1:02:45.880 --> 1:02:48.720 we're gonna have a franchise left tackle, and guess what 1:02:49.200 --> 1:02:51.200 we have Matt Lighte like on the last year of 1:02:51.240 --> 1:02:54.919 his contract to play next season. It's exactly what Bill 1:02:54.960 --> 1:02:57.000 would have done if they were picking thirty second in 1:02:57.080 --> 1:02:59.080 a draft. He would have taken a chance on a 1:02:59.120 --> 1:03:01.520 guy like this. You know, obviously I hope it works 1:03:01.520 --> 1:03:04.280 out better for Josh Simmons, but like it's not all 1:03:04.320 --> 1:03:07.440 that different than like Dominique Easley, right, yea that yeah? 1:03:07.440 --> 1:03:07.920 Oh did you? 1:03:08.120 --> 1:03:08.320 Yeah? 1:03:08.360 --> 1:03:08.720 What hose? 1:03:08.960 --> 1:03:10.640 Listen And I've been saying it for like three weeks. 1:03:10.640 --> 1:03:12.640 What the hell so texted that to you? 1:03:12.800 --> 1:03:16.840 So it's like Dominic Easley, right, So all of these 1:03:16.840 --> 1:03:19.600 things add up to him going to a team like that. 1:03:20.520 --> 1:03:22.800 It for the Patriots, I just don't think it's a 1:03:22.880 --> 1:03:25.040 very safe pick for them. I don't think it makes 1:03:25.080 --> 1:03:28.360 a whole lot of sense. But his medical recheck will happen, 1:03:28.600 --> 1:03:30.640 We'll see what the knee looks like. We'll hear from 1:03:30.640 --> 1:03:33.320 me and Rappaport that he's six months ahead of schedule, 1:03:33.480 --> 1:03:35.760 and we'll talk more and more about Josh Simmons as 1:03:35.760 --> 1:03:37.040 we go. Who is your other. 1:03:37.440 --> 1:03:38.880 I was I'm just gonna say, on Simmons, if he 1:03:38.920 --> 1:03:40.800 gets to thirty eight, I'd entertain it a little more, 1:03:40.920 --> 1:03:42.480 especially if they don't take a tackle at the top. 1:03:42.480 --> 1:03:44.120 But he's not getting past the Chiefs at thirty one. 1:03:44.160 --> 1:03:47.360 There's no way. There's no way. The other injury guys, 1:03:48.040 --> 1:03:51.160 his teammates Seth mc McLaughlin, who was the center there 1:03:51.160 --> 1:03:53.840 at Ohio State, was a starter at Alabama. We'll started 1:03:53.840 --> 1:03:55.480 at Ohio State. He got hurt a little later in 1:03:55.520 --> 1:03:59.400 the year Tours Achilles, so that's another very significant injury. 1:03:59.640 --> 1:04:02.520 But unlike Simmons, this is a guy that just projected 1:04:02.600 --> 1:04:06.400 to go fourth, fifth, maybe even sixth rounds somewhere middle 1:04:06.440 --> 1:04:09.600 of day three. So at that point, yeah, you can 1:04:09.600 --> 1:04:11.760 take on the hit of a guy not playing. And 1:04:12.120 --> 1:04:14.200 you know the other part of that comparison we made 1:04:14.200 --> 1:04:16.320 with Josh Simmons, Like you said, you know we have 1:04:16.360 --> 1:04:18.800 Matt Light to take over. You still have David Andrews 1:04:18.840 --> 1:04:21.480 for a year, So Seth McLoughlin can learn behind the scenes. 1:04:21.520 --> 1:04:24.920 You take him in the fifth round. Benjamin Morrison, corner 1:04:24.920 --> 1:04:26.920 from Notre Dame. He dealt with an injury at the 1:04:26.960 --> 1:04:30.480 end of the year. Bryson Nesbit, his stock was a 1:04:30.480 --> 1:04:32.280 little because of injury. And then the really interesting one. 1:04:32.280 --> 1:04:34.560 I've actually gotten some questions about this guy the past 1:04:34.560 --> 1:04:36.200 couple of days because I think people are starting to 1:04:36.560 --> 1:04:39.880 look more beyond the first round. Chavon Revel from East 1:04:39.920 --> 1:04:43.240 Carolina was a transfer. He's everything, you know how I 1:04:43.440 --> 1:04:46.880 like long man corner, great athlete, all of that, but 1:04:46.920 --> 1:04:48.960 I think he only played like three games before he 1:04:49.000 --> 1:04:52.640 tours ACL and he's Carolina, so he really is an unknown. 1:04:52.760 --> 1:04:55.400 There's a ton of untapped potential there. He is somebody 1:04:55.400 --> 1:04:58.440 because he tours ACL so early in the season. I 1:04:58.440 --> 1:04:59.840 don't know that he's making it on the field like 1:05:00.160 --> 1:05:01.720 one of camp. But he's gonna be able to play 1:05:01.760 --> 1:05:05.040 as a rookie. He would be if his medicals check out. 1:05:05.560 --> 1:05:08.520 The Patriots want to get aggressive at corner. If he 1:05:08.560 --> 1:05:10.680 does fall to thirty eight, and maybe he doesn't if 1:05:10.680 --> 1:05:13.040 the medicals don't check out, if the medicals do check out, 1:05:13.240 --> 1:05:14.720 but like, if he's somehow on the board of thirty 1:05:14.760 --> 1:05:16.720 eight and the health is good, would be a very 1:05:16.760 --> 1:05:17.640 interesting player for me. 1:05:17.800 --> 1:05:20.480 Yeah. The only other guy that I just because I 1:05:20.520 --> 1:05:24.760 watched him recently, actually yesterday. I don't think his injuries major, 1:05:24.800 --> 1:05:27.000 but Cameron Williams from Texas, the right tackle he had 1:05:27.000 --> 1:05:29.960 that knee injury in the College Football playoffs. Yeah, but 1:05:30.000 --> 1:05:33.480 it seemed like that was maybe more severe than what 1:05:33.520 --> 1:05:35.480 they initially thought, and he kind of cut it through 1:05:35.520 --> 1:05:37.880 it for the sake of the College Football playoff and 1:05:38.000 --> 1:05:41.240 played terribly. But that's not his fault for playing back. 1:05:41.480 --> 1:05:44.520 Sawyer is very good on a. 1:05:43.720 --> 1:05:48.400 He did a lot better against against Jack Sawyer or 1:05:48.440 --> 1:05:51.080 not Jack Sawyer. It was the Georgia tape, so they 1:05:51.080 --> 1:05:53.360 played Georgia in the regular season. Yeah, and he was 1:05:53.400 --> 1:05:55.560 a lot better in that tape than he was later 1:05:55.680 --> 1:05:58.320 in the College Football playoff. Still not like in love 1:05:58.360 --> 1:06:02.600 with him, But that's a thing too. I meant to 1:06:02.640 --> 1:06:07.800 bring up. With the tackles, It's hard in this class 1:06:07.800 --> 1:06:10.240 to me to find a Day two tackle that I love. 1:06:10.760 --> 1:06:13.360 I don't really, I'm not crazy about any of them. 1:06:13.640 --> 1:06:15.880 I think Josh Connery is the best out of that 1:06:15.960 --> 1:06:17.880 next way, but I think he's gonna go late first 1:06:18.160 --> 1:06:24.560 same but has all the issues that big hulking tackles 1:06:24.560 --> 1:06:25.840 like that have with his foot speed. 1:06:26.760 --> 1:06:29.000 You think he has a franchise starter upside. 1:06:28.880 --> 1:06:31.440 I do. I think he can start in the league. 1:06:31.720 --> 1:06:35.120 I left tackle just because guys that big that have 1:06:35.520 --> 1:06:38.200 his movement, but it's weird. His movement like translates the 1:06:38.280 --> 1:06:41.320 run games, but he's not as graceful in pass protection. 1:06:41.400 --> 1:06:43.520 He's a lot more lumbering when he's in his past set. 1:06:43.760 --> 1:06:47.000 When he's run blocking, he's like really athletic for his size. 1:06:47.440 --> 1:06:49.920 In pass protection not so much. And then you get 1:06:49.960 --> 1:06:53.000 to like that Donovan Jackson from Ohio State is a 1:06:53.040 --> 1:06:55.520 guard guard, not a tackle. He looks like a guard 1:06:55.600 --> 1:06:58.360 playing tackle through and through on his film all over 1:06:58.400 --> 1:07:02.360 the place. You know, guard guard, Wilett Milam, guard Center 1:07:02.560 --> 1:07:06.520 Center potentially. You know, so this year, last year you 1:07:06.640 --> 1:07:11.720 had that Kingsley, Siu, Mattia, Patrick, Paul Roger, Rose and 1:07:11.800 --> 1:07:14.520 Garden like you had a nice little day too tier 1:07:14.600 --> 1:07:17.080 in there. Obviously, the Patriots ended up taking Kid and 1:07:17.120 --> 1:07:20.920 Wallace with the last of that tier. This year, I 1:07:20.920 --> 1:07:23.560 don't think that that depth is as strong as tackle 1:07:23.600 --> 1:07:26.120 as it was last year, probably because you don't have 1:07:26.360 --> 1:07:29.200 the Alts and the Fashanus and the J. C. Latham's 1:07:29.240 --> 1:07:31.720 and the those guys pushing them down. 1:07:31.760 --> 1:07:35.440 I will say this though, the run on tackles is 1:07:35.440 --> 1:07:38.600 the theory I have. The run on tackles last year 1:07:38.680 --> 1:07:41.280 was not an anomaly because there's such a shortage at 1:07:41.280 --> 1:07:43.440 the position. I think this is gonna become a norm. 1:07:44.040 --> 1:07:47.080 Once the tackles start going, they're gonna go. And so 1:07:47.120 --> 1:07:51.120 some of those guys you just mentioned, like maybe we 1:07:51.240 --> 1:07:53.919 don't love, but they're gonna go higher than we think. 1:07:54.480 --> 1:07:58.000 I think this is until we get balanced back out 1:07:58.400 --> 1:08:00.880 in this tackle shortage ends, which when that's gonna be. 1:08:01.520 --> 1:08:03.560 I think this is going to become a thing where 1:08:03.560 --> 1:08:06.520 we're gonna start seeing tackles go much earlier than we expect, 1:08:06.800 --> 1:08:08.800 and we're gonna see these runs on that position on 1:08:08.880 --> 1:08:11.040 Day two. Hopefully the Patriots don't miss it this year. 1:08:11.080 --> 1:08:13.640 They missed it last year, but I don't think that 1:08:13.720 --> 1:08:15.520 was an anomaly. I think that that's going to kind 1:08:15.560 --> 1:08:16.480 of become the norm. 1:08:17.280 --> 1:08:20.479 Next storyline here for me. Yeah, I mentioned it briefly before, 1:08:21.120 --> 1:08:25.080 but all eyes are gonna be on Travis Hunter's podium 1:08:25.120 --> 1:08:27.759 when he goes up there and he answers questions about 1:08:27.760 --> 1:08:30.400 what position he wants to play, what position he's going 1:08:30.479 --> 1:08:33.960 to play. Teams obviously privately are gonna have conversations with 1:08:34.040 --> 1:08:37.200 him about their plan and their vision for how they 1:08:37.200 --> 1:08:39.840 would use him in the NFL. It's a big week 1:08:39.880 --> 1:08:42.920 for Travis Hunter to present himself in this way and 1:08:43.000 --> 1:08:45.800 kind of make his pitch to play both publicly and 1:08:45.840 --> 1:08:48.960 more importantly privately of how he wants to be used 1:08:49.000 --> 1:08:51.760 at the next level. I released my tears, like I 1:08:51.800 --> 1:08:54.639 mentioned earlier, with the wide receivers. I still think Travis 1:08:54.680 --> 1:08:56.680 Hunter is the best receiver in the class. I've been 1:08:56.720 --> 1:09:00.679 pretty consistent with that. I would play him at wide receiver. 1:09:01.760 --> 1:09:03.960 Maybe that's a little bit of Patriots biased because that's 1:09:03.960 --> 1:09:04.479 the bigger needs. 1:09:04.560 --> 1:09:05.879 I think it happens on the team. 1:09:06.240 --> 1:09:08.519 I would play my wide receiver period. 1:09:09.120 --> 1:09:11.240 What if you're like in, he's not a fall as far, 1:09:11.280 --> 1:09:14.520 but like if you're the Eagles who were loaded wide receiver. 1:09:14.360 --> 1:09:17.640 In corners, like I guess, Like, yeah, I guess at 1:09:17.640 --> 1:09:19.000 the end of the day, you want to be really 1:09:19.000 --> 1:09:19.720 specific about it. 1:09:19.760 --> 1:09:21.719 How many team's gonna have a shot at him five 1:09:21.800 --> 1:09:22.839 if we're being generous? 1:09:22.880 --> 1:09:26.360 If so, what at all? It's And I've had the 1:09:26.400 --> 1:09:28.760 same take on him the whole time. What it comes 1:09:28.760 --> 1:09:31.120 down to with Travis Hunter is where is what is? 1:09:31.400 --> 1:09:34.040 How is he going to be more impactful for your 1:09:34.040 --> 1:09:37.120 football team? And I just personally feel like he'd be 1:09:37.160 --> 1:09:40.200 more impactful playing wide receiver. I think that that's a given. 1:09:40.360 --> 1:09:43.000 Like you know, and everybody keeps on throwing at me 1:09:43.160 --> 1:09:45.280 because I'm you know, big Will Campbell guy. You know 1:09:45.320 --> 1:09:48.759 what Dante Scarnecki has said about scoring touchdowns or sacking 1:09:48.760 --> 1:09:52.040 the quarterback Where is covering receivers in that equation? Right? 1:09:53.000 --> 1:09:54.320 This is a guy that scores. 1:09:54.040 --> 1:09:57.080 Touchdowns on offense, had sixteen of them last year, and 1:09:57.520 --> 1:10:00.400 with Colorado, this is a guy that mixed big plays 1:10:00.400 --> 1:10:02.320 on offense with the ball in his hands at the 1:10:02.320 --> 1:10:06.280 catch point. He is a very very good receiver. Is 1:10:06.320 --> 1:10:10.040 he a better corner on film? Yeah? Probably? But like again, 1:10:10.120 --> 1:10:12.080 where is he gonna make the biggest impact on the 1:10:12.120 --> 1:10:15.479 football team. It's gonna be a wide receiver. I'm interested, 1:10:16.520 --> 1:10:18.920 really interested to hear what he says about it. He's 1:10:19.200 --> 1:10:21.400 listed as a defensive back. I don't want to look 1:10:21.439 --> 1:10:22.040 too much into that. 1:10:22.320 --> 1:10:23.560 I think that's just logistics. 1:10:23.640 --> 1:10:26.400 Yeah, and we'll see what happens. You know what he says. 1:10:26.720 --> 1:10:28.439 But the Travis Hunter of it all is a big 1:10:28.439 --> 1:10:29.200 time storyline. 1:10:29.240 --> 1:10:31.559 I'm gonna throw one more kind of substoryline in that. 1:10:31.960 --> 1:10:33.920 And you wrote about this guy too. He's not the 1:10:33.960 --> 1:10:36.760 only one that I think the position question is relevant. Yeah, 1:10:36.800 --> 1:10:37.760 Savian Williams. 1:10:37.960 --> 1:10:40.639 I like Savon Williams a lot, but I too, I'm 1:10:40.760 --> 1:10:43.240 terrified that's so not your guy. Well, you also like 1:10:43.240 --> 1:10:45.320 Trey Harris. What is going on with you? I'm terrified 1:10:45.360 --> 1:10:46.639 of Savian Williams would. 1:10:46.520 --> 1:10:48.960 Be, but you should like him and be terrified of him. 1:10:50.520 --> 1:10:52.599 I the thing with save On Williams, and I put 1:10:52.680 --> 1:10:54.800 him in that like role specific tier because I think 1:10:54.800 --> 1:10:56.840 that's what it is. You have to have a creative 1:10:56.920 --> 1:10:59.120 plan and usage. It's a lot. We talk about this 1:10:59.160 --> 1:11:01.240 all the time with like like John new Smith and 1:11:01.320 --> 1:11:02.000 things like that. 1:11:02.160 --> 1:11:03.679 Now Johnny Wilson. 1:11:03.800 --> 1:11:06.000 The difference between him and like a John new Smith 1:11:06.040 --> 1:11:10.320 with Josh McDaniels is Josh McDaniels had Cordeal Patterson and 1:11:10.400 --> 1:11:13.760 made Corderill Patterson a viable player for the Patriots in 1:11:13.840 --> 1:11:16.920 what eighteen was that seventeen eighteen? He won a Super 1:11:16.960 --> 1:11:19.040 Bowl right somewhere around there, No, when we were covering 1:11:19.080 --> 1:11:20.599 the team, So I want to say it was eighteen 1:11:20.600 --> 1:11:22.240 because he had the kickerturn in Chicago. 1:11:22.680 --> 1:11:23.920 Yeah, eighteen eighteen. 1:11:24.520 --> 1:11:28.240 So they were a step ahead on Cordeal Patterson running back, 1:11:28.560 --> 1:11:31.519 like they I they should take credit for that. They 1:11:31.560 --> 1:11:33.880 did it first. They put him at running back first. 1:11:34.320 --> 1:11:36.720 So if you see a guy like saving I'm not 1:11:36.800 --> 1:11:39.200 taking Savion Williams and expecting him to be any sort 1:11:39.200 --> 1:11:40.800 of savior. I'm not take I don't even know if 1:11:40.800 --> 1:11:42.920 i'd take him in the top one hundred. But if 1:11:42.920 --> 1:11:45.920 he if he's there at like one oh four for 1:11:46.000 --> 1:11:46.880 them in the fourth. 1:11:46.680 --> 1:11:48.320 Round, brainer, no brainer. 1:11:48.360 --> 1:11:50.599 I think he's a big time playmaker, and I think 1:11:50.600 --> 1:11:53.559 he's a little bit more fluid than Cordele Patterson. Maybe 1:11:53.600 --> 1:11:55.840 not as explosive in a straight line, but like, I 1:11:55.840 --> 1:11:57.760 feel like his route running, he's got a little bit 1:11:57.800 --> 1:12:00.000 more like sink and wiggle to his game. 1:12:00.200 --> 1:12:01.560 I'll be interested to see if he does any of 1:12:01.560 --> 1:12:04.120 the running back on field drills. Yeah, that would be 1:12:04.160 --> 1:12:05.760 interesting and I think that would tell us a lot. 1:12:05.800 --> 1:12:07.800 I figure he's gonna go He's listed as a receiver, right, 1:12:08.080 --> 1:12:10.400 I believe, so he's going to go through that and 1:12:11.800 --> 1:12:13.640 I expect him to the receiver drills and that'll be 1:12:13.640 --> 1:12:15.559 interesting too, because like his route running is a big question. 1:12:15.680 --> 1:12:18.439 But yeah, his hands, his hands are terrible. That I 1:12:18.479 --> 1:12:19.360 think is the biggest question. 1:12:19.400 --> 1:12:22.400 Does he do any of the there's a chance the 1:12:22.400 --> 1:12:26.160 gauntlet is ugly if he goes through the So you 1:12:26.160 --> 1:12:28.960 know he's gone to the gauntlet too, don't they do they? 1:12:29.040 --> 1:12:31.280 I don't remember. I think so he's a body catcher. 1:12:31.400 --> 1:12:33.600 He's got bad drops on film, like he's got some 1:12:33.680 --> 1:12:36.280 bad drops on film that like almost lead to interceptions, 1:12:36.360 --> 1:12:38.200 you know, like they just like bounce off his hands 1:12:38.240 --> 1:12:40.719 and pop up in the air and guys are around 1:12:40.760 --> 1:12:44.599 the ball. So you are you need to scheme touches 1:12:44.640 --> 1:12:46.920 for this guy, right, you need to get this player 1:12:47.000 --> 1:12:49.639 into space. But if they let him, you know, they 1:12:49.720 --> 1:12:52.800 use him like Patterson with the Patriots at the end 1:12:52.880 --> 1:12:54.880 there with Patterson, I think there's a chance that he's 1:12:54.920 --> 1:12:57.519 a viable player for you, like an offensive weapon. It's 1:12:57.520 --> 1:12:59.559 just gonna have to be creative. So that's a good one. 1:12:59.600 --> 1:13:02.000 Good shout up With Savan Williams. You're surprised I like him. 1:13:02.080 --> 1:13:05.040 I like, that's not your like fun, he's fun. He's fun. 1:13:05.040 --> 1:13:07.439 To be clear with Trey Harris, because you a couple 1:13:07.479 --> 1:13:10.160 of people brought this up to me. I like Trey Harris, 1:13:10.520 --> 1:13:13.320 but I'm not that's not my kind of guy. And 1:13:13.439 --> 1:13:15.479 like I'm if I had to bang the table for 1:13:15.560 --> 1:13:18.240 anybody in that tier, wouldn't be Trey Harris. But I 1:13:18.280 --> 1:13:19.880 watched his film and I was like, Okay, I can 1:13:19.880 --> 1:13:22.600 see it, Like I can see the ability there. A 1:13:22.640 --> 1:13:24.479 lot of his his yards and a lot of his 1:13:24.520 --> 1:13:28.479 big time production came against garbage defenses. But regardless, you know, 1:13:28.520 --> 1:13:30.479 you can see the movement and all that kind of stuff. 1:13:30.640 --> 1:13:32.519 I told you, I think my favorite guy from from 1:13:32.560 --> 1:13:34.559 that tier, other than the one other guy I want 1:13:34.560 --> 1:13:36.360 to bring up in a second, is probably Jalen noele 1:13:36.760 --> 1:13:39.000 Uh from you. I think that, you know, he's probably 1:13:39.000 --> 1:13:42.400 the best receiver in my mind in that group. But 1:13:43.400 --> 1:13:46.400 so Travis Hunter, we did the last one. You're gonna love. 1:13:46.640 --> 1:13:48.600 You're gonna love this one, and then you can. 1:13:48.240 --> 1:13:51.040 Be Tes Johnson's forty, I think he can break I. 1:13:51.040 --> 1:13:53.280 Think I think he's gonna break the record. So I 1:13:53.560 --> 1:13:55.360 shouldn't say I think he's gonna break it. I think 1:13:55.360 --> 1:13:56.880 he has a chance to break it. I think it's 1:13:56.880 --> 1:13:57.439 worth watching. 1:13:57.560 --> 1:14:01.719 I have I had your two guys, Tes Johnson, Isaiah 1:14:01.760 --> 1:14:04.200 Bond Yeah, on my list of players to watch. And 1:14:04.240 --> 1:14:06.400 I'll tell you why. What's the question I ask you 1:14:06.439 --> 1:14:08.840 every time you bring them up? Fast and what? 1:14:09.120 --> 1:14:11.240 So let's see the teds Johnson's not just fast. 1:14:11.280 --> 1:14:13.840 Let's see the gauntlet. I don't care so much about 1:14:13.840 --> 1:14:15.639 the ford. I mean the forty will be interesting if Tes. 1:14:15.600 --> 1:14:16.960 Johnes Tess Johnson's quick. 1:14:17.200 --> 1:14:20.080 Well, so I'm saying, let's see the Gauntlet. Let's see 1:14:20.120 --> 1:14:22.280 the three cone. Yeah, if he does, let's see the shuttle. 1:14:22.320 --> 1:14:23.920 People aren't doing three cones anymore. 1:14:23.960 --> 1:14:26.240 Let's see the shuttle then, yeah, the gauntlet will be 1:14:26.240 --> 1:14:29.479 telling like that. Let's see him and Bond. Let's see 1:14:29.479 --> 1:14:31.439 how they do in those in those. And with Tesz 1:14:31.520 --> 1:14:34.000 Johnson to especially, I know he measured it at the 1:14:34.040 --> 1:14:37.200 Senior Bowl. Did he put any more weight on? Did 1:14:37.240 --> 1:14:38.800 he hear the noise and put any more weight on? 1:14:39.000 --> 1:14:39.760 Between then and now? 1:14:40.120 --> 1:14:42.400 The problem with Tedes Johnson in terms of waight, and 1:14:42.439 --> 1:14:44.760 I haven't thought on Isaiah Bond too. The problem with 1:14:44.760 --> 1:14:46.400 Tesz Johnson is that I don't know if his frame 1:14:46.439 --> 1:14:49.559 can support any more weight, Like he's only five nine. Yeah, 1:14:49.560 --> 1:14:52.200 well that's so like you just here's who he is, 1:14:52.240 --> 1:14:54.400 Like he's too too out, well, at worst, he's tanked. 1:14:54.560 --> 1:14:58.519 At best, does he stay healthy? I don't know, right, Like, well, if. 1:14:58.400 --> 1:15:00.639 You're gonna use top forty pi kind of guy, which 1:15:00.680 --> 1:15:02.479 is probably where they would need to take him, you 1:15:02.600 --> 1:15:03.880 kind of need him to stay healthy. 1:15:04.040 --> 1:15:08.160 He I think he's faster on film than Isaiah Bond 1:15:08.280 --> 1:15:11.800 is Isaiah Bond's got that like gliding vertical speed right 1:15:11.840 --> 1:15:14.160 where like when he runs a fade, it just builds 1:15:14.160 --> 1:15:15.840 builds builds, and all of a sudden, he's buy you. 1:15:16.280 --> 1:15:21.760 Tedes Johnson is like blistering fast like he is quick, fast, agile, 1:15:21.840 --> 1:15:24.479 all of it. He pops off the film. In terms 1:15:24.479 --> 1:15:26.680 of his game speed, it's different than everybody else on 1:15:26.720 --> 1:15:29.040 the tape. So I think Ted Johnson has a real 1:15:29.160 --> 1:15:32.679 chance to break the record that Xavier Worthy just put down, 1:15:32.800 --> 1:15:34.360 which is what four to two to one, all right, 1:15:35.040 --> 1:15:36.640 So I think he has a real chance to break it. 1:15:37.000 --> 1:15:38.920 If he doesn't run in the four twos, I'd be shocked. 1:15:39.320 --> 1:15:42.240 He's gonna run the four two so he's gonna put 1:15:42.280 --> 1:15:45.200 down a really good time. I'm excited to watch him run. 1:15:45.439 --> 1:15:47.960 I love Tedes Johnson. I know he's gonna get hurt. 1:15:48.080 --> 1:15:50.280 I know it's not gonna last in the league. I 1:15:50.320 --> 1:15:52.760 know he'd get drafted by the Patriots. They get a 1:15:52.800 --> 1:15:55.000 month into the season, he'd have like three hundred and 1:15:55.000 --> 1:15:57.599 fifty yards and three touchdowns, like three games into his 1:15:57.600 --> 1:16:00.320 Patriots career, and then blow out his leg and like, 1:16:00.400 --> 1:16:02.960 you know, it'll be Malcolm Mitchell all over again or something. 1:16:03.200 --> 1:16:06.839 I understand. But if it all, if you can somehow 1:16:06.880 --> 1:16:10.200 stay healthy. That guy is a difference making receiver. 1:16:10.560 --> 1:16:11.960 That is a gift. 1:16:12.160 --> 1:16:14.559 That's a big if, but he is a big time 1:16:14.600 --> 1:16:17.360 playmaker if he stays healthy. Okay, what else you got? 1:16:18.400 --> 1:16:22.760 I think we pretty much hit on everything. Just we 1:16:22.800 --> 1:16:26.760 talked about the tie breakers. That pass rush group from 1:16:26.920 --> 1:16:29.799 like twenty to fifty. Yeah, is so crowded. 1:16:30.000 --> 1:16:31.760 Yep, so just kind of so as well take one 1:16:31.800 --> 1:16:32.320 at four. 1:16:32.240 --> 1:16:34.479 Right right, sorting some of those guys out. Well, if it's. 1:16:34.320 --> 1:16:38.479 Carter besides Carter, Carter, Carter was the exception, the last 1:16:38.479 --> 1:16:40.080 one that I had here. It's gonna surprise you a 1:16:40.120 --> 1:16:45.519 little bit. I am mildly intrigued by this running back class. 1:16:46.000 --> 1:16:46.479 You should be. 1:16:47.320 --> 1:16:49.479 The strength of this draft on offense is that running 1:16:49.520 --> 1:16:51.840 back and tight end. I think both those positions are 1:16:51.880 --> 1:16:55.080 gonna put on absolute shows. Yes, and this combine I 1:16:55.120 --> 1:16:57.519 think they not only is it the strength in terms 1:16:57.560 --> 1:17:00.519 of just there's great talent and depth of those two positions. 1:17:00.720 --> 1:17:03.200 I think they're great athletes at those two positions as well. 1:17:03.240 --> 1:17:05.080 So I think this is gonna be a combined group 1:17:05.120 --> 1:17:09.280 in both categories. A couple of guys I'm looking out. 1:17:09.080 --> 1:17:11.559 For evan running backs to watch. Let's hear this. 1:17:12.680 --> 1:17:15.880 I love Omarin Hampton. He's gonna go high. He's probably 1:17:15.920 --> 1:17:18.320 gonna go first round. So he might be way out of. 1:17:18.240 --> 1:17:20.600 The page that I think that's coming from me. 1:17:20.760 --> 1:17:22.559 I think he might be RB two in this class. 1:17:23.840 --> 1:17:25.600 Shouldn't be. He might be. You're right, he shouldn't be, 1:17:25.640 --> 1:17:26.120 but he might be. 1:17:26.360 --> 1:17:27.439 He's very very good. 1:17:28.040 --> 1:17:30.719 Shout out to it, as Jeremiah right. With three running 1:17:30.720 --> 1:17:32.639 backs in the round. That's how you do a mock draft. 1:17:32.720 --> 1:17:35.000 I have to think that. Two things I keep. I 1:17:35.080 --> 1:17:36.960 say it all the time. With him, I'm biased because 1:17:36.960 --> 1:17:39.400 I saw him at run routes at Drake Mace pro Day. 1:17:39.680 --> 1:17:42.679 I loved what I saw, and I think Drake loves him. 1:17:42.760 --> 1:17:46.360 So there's gonna be that element of it. Maybe it's 1:17:46.400 --> 1:17:51.160 probably high, too high for running back. Who's the running 1:17:51.240 --> 1:17:53.400 back from Kansas. 1:17:52.960 --> 1:17:55.120 The Neil Devin. 1:17:54.479 --> 1:17:56.200 Neil is the other guy at the Senior Bowl. I 1:17:56.320 --> 1:17:59.280 was really impressed with really good burst to the edge. 1:17:59.320 --> 1:18:01.880 I think he's gonna put down maybe not like the 1:18:01.920 --> 1:18:04.520 greatest forty time, but like those ten yards. 1:18:04.240 --> 1:18:05.479 More good ten yards play. 1:18:05.600 --> 1:18:09.240 He gets agility. I think he's really smooth with the 1:18:09.240 --> 1:18:11.880 football as well. So those are the two running backs. 1:18:11.920 --> 1:18:14.320 I mean, there's obviously one hundred running backs, but on 1:18:14.400 --> 1:18:15.520 the top of my list. 1:18:15.479 --> 1:18:17.880 I'm still fascinated. I can't get over all e Gorton. 1:18:18.400 --> 1:18:23.120 Alli Gordon's twenty twenty three at Oklahoma State was so dominant. 1:18:23.479 --> 1:18:25.519 He was so good, and I know he took the 1:18:25.560 --> 1:18:28.680 step back last year, but just looking at it and 1:18:29.000 --> 1:18:32.360 the big picture of what Oklahoma State football was last year, 1:18:33.040 --> 1:18:35.559 he was never in a position to succeed last season, 1:18:36.000 --> 1:18:38.840 and I got it frustrated him and all of that. 1:18:39.960 --> 1:18:43.320 He is a rare build at that position. He's faster 1:18:43.439 --> 1:18:46.240 than people realize because he's so big. I don't think 1:18:46.280 --> 1:18:48.479 people like he doesn't look as fast on tape as 1:18:48.479 --> 1:18:52.680 he actually is. And is he James White. No, but 1:18:52.800 --> 1:18:54.320 he's functional as a pass catcher. 1:18:54.520 --> 1:18:54.720 Yeah. 1:18:54.880 --> 1:18:58.759 Like I just think he has so many great traits 1:18:59.200 --> 1:19:01.880 and we've seen him a bell cow back like he 1:19:01.880 --> 1:19:04.920 he was that Oklahoma State team in twenty twenty three. 1:19:05.520 --> 1:19:08.960 Right now, I'm seeing projections for him anywhere from you know, 1:19:09.760 --> 1:19:12.920 very late day two to I think PFF. Hasn't it 1:19:13.000 --> 1:19:15.799 like one fifty? Yeah, if you can get Ali Gordon 1:19:15.800 --> 1:19:18.880 at like one oh four, that would be an outstanding pick. 1:19:18.960 --> 1:19:20.639 But I think he's gonna have a really good combine 1:19:20.640 --> 1:19:21.519 and maybe blow that up. 1:19:21.680 --> 1:19:23.960 Yeah, I mean, look, all these running backs are worth 1:19:23.960 --> 1:19:24.439 talking about. 1:19:24.520 --> 1:19:26.479 Yeah, it's even get to we didn't even get to 1:19:26.520 --> 1:19:27.479 Scatabow and. 1:19:27.520 --> 1:19:29.439 Yeah, I mean it's a great class. Like just to 1:19:29.479 --> 1:19:31.640 read quickly here if I can pull it up. You know, 1:19:32.040 --> 1:19:34.920 Dan Brugler's top one hundred ad just at running back. 1:19:34.960 --> 1:19:38.000 I mean there's there's got what atching gent y. Caleb 1:19:38.040 --> 1:19:40.080 Johnson from Iowa was really good. 1:19:40.120 --> 1:19:40.519 He could be. 1:19:42.120 --> 1:19:46.719 Trayvon Henderson from Ohio State, Jordan James Jenkins from Ohio State, 1:19:46.960 --> 1:19:49.519 Dylan Samson, R. J. Harvey is his top one hundred. 1:19:50.160 --> 1:19:54.439 I mean it's not every year they have won two, three, four, five, six, 1:19:54.600 --> 1:19:56.280 seven eight in the top one pop. 1:19:56.280 --> 1:19:57.760 We're gonna tell you that's because a week it's a 1:19:57.760 --> 1:20:00.920 week class. That's not true. This running bad class holds 1:20:01.000 --> 1:20:04.240 up in other years. A lot of people have Henderson 1:20:04.240 --> 1:20:05.000 over Judkins. 1:20:05.439 --> 1:20:06.120 A lot of people do. 1:20:06.280 --> 1:20:08.920 I don't know about that. I think Henderson if you 1:20:08.960 --> 1:20:13.840 want a guy to be, you know, sturdy, reliable, four 1:20:13.920 --> 1:20:16.479 yards four yards four yards, Like, he doesn't lose yards, 1:20:16.640 --> 1:20:20.200 he doesn't go down easy, He's consistent, all that. Like, 1:20:20.280 --> 1:20:23.559 that's Henderson and there's value in that player. If you 1:20:23.600 --> 1:20:25.720 want a guy who's gonna like a home run hitter, 1:20:25.760 --> 1:20:28.720 a guy's gonna break big runs, guys more explosive, a 1:20:28.720 --> 1:20:32.439 little more dynamic, it's Judkins. So if we're ranking like 1:20:32.479 --> 1:20:35.040 the safer of the two, it's Henderson. But like, let's 1:20:35.040 --> 1:20:37.519 say the Patriots are on the board A sixty nine, 1:20:37.600 --> 1:20:39.200 they want to take a running back there between the 1:20:39.200 --> 1:20:42.919 two Ohio State guys, I'm taking Judkins. You're taking Judkins 1:20:42.920 --> 1:20:43.679 between the two of them. 1:20:43.760 --> 1:20:46.080 Yeah. I tend to agree with you based off of 1:20:46.120 --> 1:20:48.840 the playoff too. I thought that he looked like a 1:20:48.840 --> 1:20:49.400 game changer. 1:20:49.439 --> 1:20:51.640 There's a place for Henderson. Henderson's really good too. But 1:20:52.280 --> 1:20:55.200 you know, if you want to try to copycat league, right, Yeah, 1:20:55.200 --> 1:20:57.040 if you're trying to find the next Saquon Barkley, and 1:20:57.040 --> 1:20:59.680 I'm not saying Gwin, John Judkins is Saquon Barkley, you're 1:20:59.720 --> 1:21:02.599 trying to find that kind of back. Judkins is much 1:21:02.600 --> 1:21:03.920 closer than Henderson is to me. 1:21:04.280 --> 1:21:09.120 So running back tight end, Yeah, tight end again another 1:21:09.160 --> 1:21:12.320 position that's absolutely loaded in this draft. I think there's 1:21:12.360 --> 1:21:15.679 playmaking tight ends, there's blocking tight ends. There's like guys 1:21:15.680 --> 1:21:17.040 that can kind of do a little bit of both, 1:21:17.080 --> 1:21:19.799 like Tyler Warren, and there's also just straight up receiving 1:21:19.840 --> 1:21:22.280 tight ends, you know, like a Colston Loveland if you 1:21:22.320 --> 1:21:24.560 want to go first round. But then beyond that, I 1:21:24.560 --> 1:21:26.439 think there's a lot of guys that are also in 1:21:26.479 --> 1:21:30.160 that categories, those two categories, and it's become like is 1:21:30.200 --> 1:21:33.519 he the Gronk archetype or is he the Kelsey archetype? Right, 1:21:33.520 --> 1:21:35.439 Like those are like the two groups of tight ends. 1:21:35.640 --> 1:21:37.680 This class has them all the guy that I'm really ok. 1:21:37.800 --> 1:21:39.360 And then there's the Kittle type. 1:21:39.680 --> 1:21:43.280 Yeah, but yes, you're right, but people don't give Kittle 1:21:43.360 --> 1:21:43.800 enough love. 1:21:43.920 --> 1:21:46.920 No, but like that more like h back movie. Yeah. 1:21:46.960 --> 1:21:49.479 So the guy that in funny that you mentioned that, 1:21:49.479 --> 1:21:53.000 the guy that I'm really interested to see. I wasn't wow, 1:21:53.200 --> 1:21:54.880 like I wanted to be at the Senior Bowl. So 1:21:54.920 --> 1:21:58.400 I'm interested to see Harold Fannin's testing. The fact that 1:21:58.760 --> 1:22:00.360 I get it was at Bowling Green and I get 1:22:00.400 --> 1:22:02.920 they probably didn't play this like Murderer's Row of a schedule. 1:22:02.960 --> 1:22:04.439 He did you have a really good game? Who they 1:22:04.439 --> 1:22:06.439 played one Power five team? He was good. I think 1:22:06.439 --> 1:22:07.000 it was a and. 1:22:07.040 --> 1:22:10.679 M but fifteen hundred yards at tight end in college 1:22:10.680 --> 1:22:14.439 football is unheard of, Like, that's absolutely unheard of. I 1:22:14.479 --> 1:22:16.800 think he's gonna be a great athlete as well. You know, 1:22:17.320 --> 1:22:20.040 obviously Elijah Royo is coming off the Great Senior Bowl, 1:22:20.280 --> 1:22:21.960 but I think that he is kind of like a 1:22:21.960 --> 1:22:24.200 finesse tight end. Like I think that's gonna be a 1:22:24.280 --> 1:22:27.320 setting where he's gonna do really well. In Mason Taylor 1:22:27.439 --> 1:22:31.559 similar you know, just say Jason Taylor. I always get 1:22:31.640 --> 1:22:35.920 Jonathan Taylor and JA Jason, Jason Taylor's son also more 1:22:35.920 --> 1:22:38.439 of like a pass catching tight end, but he's really 1:22:38.479 --> 1:22:41.880 really athletic as well, you know, Gunner Hilm, like this, 1:22:41.880 --> 1:22:43.519 this is a really good class. It's a really good 1:22:43.520 --> 1:22:47.080 class at that position, and I think that they'll also impress. 1:22:47.439 --> 1:22:50.360 Yeah, I'm interested to see nesbit. Like I get, he 1:22:50.400 --> 1:22:52.320 had a rough year and that knocks him down some. 1:22:52.479 --> 1:22:54.760 I'm surprised he's been knocked down as far as he has, 1:22:55.320 --> 1:22:56.679 so I'll be interested to see if he can build 1:22:56.680 --> 1:22:57.400 that back up at all. 1:22:57.600 --> 1:22:59.960 All Right, So that's the combine. 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Not Jalen Noel, 1:24:31.520 --> 1:24:32.680 but Jayden Higgins. 1:24:32.840 --> 1:24:33.080 Yep. 1:24:33.880 --> 1:24:35.479 I will love him as a Day two pick, but 1:24:35.479 --> 1:24:37.000 if we're not able to get him, I wanted to 1:24:37.000 --> 1:24:40.760 get your guys opinions on possibly three possibly three Day 1:24:40.760 --> 1:24:43.640 three guys, have you watched them? If you have, what 1:24:43.720 --> 1:24:47.880 do you think about him? The first guy is Damuel Brown, 1:24:50.560 --> 1:24:54.160 the second guy is Kyron Lazy from LSU, and the 1:24:54.280 --> 1:24:57.320 last guy is Elijah Badger from Florida. And I'll take 1:24:57.320 --> 1:24:59.120 it off there, guys, as always, sorry about the joy. 1:24:59.360 --> 1:25:02.519 It's okay. You got any takes on those guys? Those 1:25:02.520 --> 1:25:03.200 are deep cuts. 1:25:03.920 --> 1:25:08.639 Yeah, So Kyen Lacey has some that was the LC receiver. Yeah, 1:25:08.680 --> 1:25:11.360 I don't remember the exact details, but he has some 1:25:11.680 --> 1:25:13.719 serious legal issues, Like he's not. 1:25:13.840 --> 1:25:16.440 There's some I mean, I don't know if what with 1:25:16.520 --> 1:25:22.640 Keishan Boudi was serious. But from a player perspective, he 1:25:22.720 --> 1:25:24.840 kind of reminds me of like the guy that was 1:25:24.840 --> 1:25:27.120 supposed to be the next guy at LSU that wasn't 1:25:27.160 --> 1:25:29.400 the next guy for whatever reason at LSU. Kind of 1:25:29.439 --> 1:25:30.200 a similar story. 1:25:30.360 --> 1:25:34.479 Yeah, he was there, there was He's accused of head 1:25:34.479 --> 1:25:38.639 on crash, fatal crash, hit and run, leaving the scene 1:25:38.640 --> 1:25:44.880 of a crime. Yeah that's yeah, So Kyraen Lacey, I 1:25:44.920 --> 1:25:46.960 probably I would be surprised at this point if he 1:25:47.000 --> 1:25:47.679 gets drafted. 1:25:47.880 --> 1:25:48.120 Yeah. 1:25:48.360 --> 1:25:49.479 Who are the other wide receivers? 1:25:49.479 --> 1:25:52.559 He said, I don't I didn't recognize the other ones. 1:25:52.560 --> 1:25:53.960 I'm not gonna lie, he said. 1:25:54.200 --> 1:25:56.120 I'm trying to pull up the list here because if 1:25:56.160 --> 1:26:00.360 I see it, I'll remember it. He said something thing 1:26:00.520 --> 1:26:01.920 he didn't give the school for one of them. I 1:26:01.960 --> 1:26:03.240 know we set somebody from Florida. 1:26:03.520 --> 1:26:04.439 This is great radio. 1:26:04.720 --> 1:26:07.800 I don't think it was chim DK, but you saw 1:26:07.800 --> 1:26:09.800 a DK at the Senior Bowl who I liked. He 1:26:09.880 --> 1:26:10.720 was a Day three guy. 1:26:10.920 --> 1:26:15.320 Yeah, some of those drops, but some of those senior 1:26:15.320 --> 1:26:16.320 Bowl guys. I know your guys. 1:26:16.320 --> 1:26:20.559 Call Elijah Badger. Yeah, we're gonna gover Florida receivers. I 1:26:20.640 --> 1:26:21.200 like DK. 1:26:21.400 --> 1:26:24.679 All right, let's take Sean and Ottawa. What's up Sean? 1:26:27.720 --> 1:26:28.040 Sean? 1:26:28.320 --> 1:26:33.840 You there? Okay? Sean callback and if if you have 1:26:33.960 --> 1:26:37.320 the time, he's probably afraid of USA Canada tomorrow. N 1:26:37.320 --> 1:26:40.200 I didn't want to talk to us Americans. Uh, let's 1:26:40.200 --> 1:26:43.719 get to these emails. A lot of emails, tons of emails. 1:26:43.720 --> 1:26:45.360 So we'll try to get through all these over the 1:26:45.439 --> 1:26:49.000 last half hour here of the show. Starting here. Well, 1:26:49.439 --> 1:26:52.360 I'll start with this email. All right. This email subject 1:26:52.400 --> 1:26:55.639 line is from Floyd in Michigan, who's a regular listener. 1:26:56.479 --> 1:27:00.000 Shout out Taylor Kyles says, Taylor Kyles was right. Taylor 1:27:00.080 --> 1:27:01.679 and I have been going back and forth a little 1:27:01.680 --> 1:27:05.439 bit on Twitter. We see this draft very differently. Love Taylor, 1:27:05.920 --> 1:27:08.360 I love him. We just see it very very differently. 1:27:08.800 --> 1:27:13.800 And and Floyd here says that he agrees with this 1:27:13.840 --> 1:27:16.960 point that Taylor made, and that was my issue is 1:27:17.000 --> 1:27:19.360 anytime I have seen Will Campbell bock to the Patriots, 1:27:19.360 --> 1:27:21.479 it is not because he's the best player available. It's 1:27:21.520 --> 1:27:24.200 not because he's the best scheme fit. It's because their 1:27:24.240 --> 1:27:27.840 offensive line was is so terrible, so it just they 1:27:27.880 --> 1:27:32.200 need an offensive lineman. He's the best offensive lineman scheme 1:27:32.200 --> 1:27:35.439 fit aside. I don't know exactly what that, but in 1:27:35.520 --> 1:27:38.240 terms of he's not the best player available, we kind 1:27:38.240 --> 1:27:41.320 of talked about this earlier in the show. I just 1:27:41.360 --> 1:27:44.320 want us to think about it and think about the gap, 1:27:44.560 --> 1:27:47.960 like how much is the gap really that exists? And 1:27:48.439 --> 1:27:51.360 if we're talking about players that are all clustered together, 1:27:51.400 --> 1:27:54.000 which is the way that I view it, Will Campbell, 1:27:54.200 --> 1:27:57.640 Mason Graham, I'll even throw Ted McMillan into that category. 1:27:57.920 --> 1:28:03.400 Potentially warrant I would throw into that category. You put 1:28:03.439 --> 1:28:06.080 all those guys, you know, Will Johnson into that tier. 1:28:07.080 --> 1:28:11.760 To me, the tiebreaker then becomes positional value. So you 1:28:11.880 --> 1:28:15.240 might think that Mason Graham is a slightly better prospect 1:28:15.560 --> 1:28:19.280 than Will Campbell, But I would say if you project 1:28:19.320 --> 1:28:21.679 Will Campbell to be a starting left tackle in the NFL, 1:28:22.240 --> 1:28:24.640 that is more valuable than a starting three technique is 1:28:24.680 --> 1:28:25.240 in the NFL. 1:28:25.680 --> 1:28:27.120 It's essentially all you know. 1:28:27.200 --> 1:28:31.559 It's also I should say a conversation two of Okay, well, 1:28:31.600 --> 1:28:36.440 what's going to be available through other avenues of talent acquisition. 1:28:37.320 --> 1:28:40.280 You can go and sign Milton Williams to play three technique. 1:28:40.479 --> 1:28:44.080 You can go and draft the kid from Toledo, Darius Alexander, 1:28:44.360 --> 1:28:46.960 to play three technique. On day two. You can go 1:28:47.000 --> 1:28:50.599 and draft you know, players like that on the second 1:28:50.680 --> 1:28:54.280 day of the drag on the edge. If you want 1:28:54.400 --> 1:28:56.920 to go that route. What you can't do is find 1:28:56.920 --> 1:28:59.519 a starting left tackle on Day two. I have not 1:28:59.560 --> 1:29:03.000 been I've watched fifteen tackles at this point between the 1:29:03.040 --> 1:29:05.920 Senior Bowl and like watching the film, I have not 1:29:06.120 --> 1:29:08.200 been convinced that any one of these guys in that 1:29:08.320 --> 1:29:10.400 Day two tier is going to be a true starting 1:29:10.479 --> 1:29:12.800 left tackle in the league. I think you're putting him 1:29:13.040 --> 1:29:15.680 right in that same category as a Caiden Wallace like 1:29:16.439 --> 1:29:21.720 has it. Maybe the Patriots can't afford has answer. They 1:29:21.720 --> 1:29:24.960 need an answer. So sure, you could go in free 1:29:24.960 --> 1:29:28.720 agency and sign Cam robinsoner Alaric Jackson and say we 1:29:28.760 --> 1:29:31.200 have our answer. That direction, that's a pat they want 1:29:31.240 --> 1:29:32.960 to go. They can go in that direction. But if 1:29:33.000 --> 1:29:35.439 we're strictly talking about the draft, the strength of the 1:29:35.520 --> 1:29:38.240 draft is the depth on the defensive line. So to me, 1:29:38.640 --> 1:29:42.080 if you're even ish between Mason Graham and Will Campbell, 1:29:42.320 --> 1:29:44.559 I'm taking the left tackle. It's that simple. 1:29:44.640 --> 1:29:46.520 Yeah, I'm with you, all right. 1:29:47.000 --> 1:29:49.439 Mike Green is another prospect that's come up a lot. 1:29:50.560 --> 1:29:52.920 So there's a couple of things I would say about 1:29:52.920 --> 1:29:56.720 with Mike Green. You know a lot of people. Is 1:29:56.760 --> 1:29:58.920 Mike Green actually edged two in this class? Obviously I'm 1:29:58.960 --> 1:30:02.040 dull Carter's edge one? Is Mike Green actually edged two 1:30:02.040 --> 1:30:04.400 in this class? The two things I had mentioned with 1:30:04.439 --> 1:30:07.720 Mike Green One, he is really a pass rush specialist, 1:30:07.760 --> 1:30:09.719 Like you are going to have to make him into 1:30:10.360 --> 1:30:13.799 a pure weak side pass rusher that is not expected 1:30:13.800 --> 1:30:16.920 to do really anything against the run. He's not a 1:30:17.040 --> 1:30:19.559 very good run defender in my mind, just because of 1:30:19.600 --> 1:30:22.320 his physical limitations. Like we talk about lack of arm 1:30:22.400 --> 1:30:25.080 length and stuff like that with Will Campbell, even though 1:30:25.080 --> 1:30:28.000 I would say that first step, explosiveness and bend are 1:30:28.000 --> 1:30:30.800 more important than arm length at edge. In order to 1:30:30.840 --> 1:30:32.960 like truly set the edge of a defense right, you 1:30:33.080 --> 1:30:35.000 have to be able to have some girth and some 1:30:35.439 --> 1:30:37.519 with to your body, and then obviously some length to 1:30:37.560 --> 1:30:38.400 your body as well. 1:30:38.479 --> 1:30:40.479 But that's a lot of the edge rushers in this class. 1:30:40.640 --> 1:30:41.760 Lot of speed guys. 1:30:41.520 --> 1:30:43.840 A lot of guys who are pass rushers and aren't 1:30:43.840 --> 1:30:44.879 going to do great against. 1:30:45.200 --> 1:30:47.439 So he's one of those guys. To me, if you're 1:30:47.520 --> 1:30:49.680 drafting somebody four overall, you need to make sure that 1:30:49.680 --> 1:30:52.240 player is a three down, all purpose player. I don't 1:30:52.240 --> 1:30:54.559 think you can draft a guy at four overall that's 1:30:54.600 --> 1:30:57.080 gonna end up turning into just a pass rusher. I 1:30:57.080 --> 1:30:59.439 don't think that that's good enough with that pick. There's 1:30:59.520 --> 1:31:01.439 also so I don't want to put it out there 1:31:01.439 --> 1:31:03.439 like an act, like it's too dramatic, but like he 1:31:03.520 --> 1:31:06.880 transferred from Virginia, there's some rumblings that maybe there was 1:31:06.920 --> 1:31:09.920 something that happened in that transfer, you know, in terms 1:31:09.960 --> 1:31:13.680 of him overstaying. He's welcome at Virginia. I don't know 1:31:13.720 --> 1:31:18.640 what the details are enough to have a judgment on that. 1:31:19.200 --> 1:31:21.080 I hate judging that part of the draft because I 1:31:21.080 --> 1:31:23.439 don't know these guys personally and I don't talk to 1:31:23.479 --> 1:31:26.559 them personally. But there are some things to vet there 1:31:27.080 --> 1:31:29.439 with his background in terms of that. Yeah, But most 1:31:29.439 --> 1:31:32.639 importantly to me, I'm just not dead convinced that Mike 1:31:32.680 --> 1:31:35.840 Green is a well rounded enough player to be taking 1:31:35.920 --> 1:31:37.240 him that high in the first round. 1:31:37.320 --> 1:31:40.240 Yeah, I agree with you, all right, does we can't 1:31:40.240 --> 1:31:41.559 go in the first round. It's not that high. 1:31:41.720 --> 1:31:46.400 Yeah. So this is from Aiden. He's asking for two 1:31:47.000 --> 1:31:51.040 trade candidates. Our opinions on two trade candidates, one being 1:31:51.080 --> 1:31:53.800 Michael Mayer from the Raiders, which is becoming a really 1:31:53.840 --> 1:31:56.760 popular take. They have Brock Bowers obviously as their number 1:31:56.760 --> 1:31:59.960 one tight end. Josh McDaniels drafted Michael Mayer, I believe 1:32:00.479 --> 1:32:02.160 in his year with the Raiders, I. 1:32:02.080 --> 1:32:05.320 Think sounds right mayor was. 1:32:05.240 --> 1:32:08.439 Yeah Sam laporta draft Yeah, so I'm pretty sure that's 1:32:08.479 --> 1:32:11.200 the case. If not, he played for Josh McDaniel. 1:32:10.840 --> 1:32:12.800 Or was he twenty three mc daniels was. 1:32:12.720 --> 1:32:18.000 There in Vegas. The other one is Trey Hendrickson at 1:32:18.040 --> 1:32:21.360 the Bengals, who are maybe paying t Higgins, maybe paying 1:32:21.400 --> 1:32:25.479 Jamar Chase, obviously already paying Joe Burrow. So someone there 1:32:25.920 --> 1:32:27.880 most likely is gonna have to be the Ottoman out. 1:32:27.920 --> 1:32:30.400 It could be Trey Hendrickson. I'm in on both of 1:32:30.439 --> 1:32:33.360 these players. Obviously very different price points, like in terms 1:32:33.400 --> 1:32:36.120 of what the compensation would be, but I think Michael 1:32:36.120 --> 1:32:38.000 Mayer would be a nice tight end too. I remember 1:32:38.000 --> 1:32:39.920 coming out. I actually I think Hunter Henry was my 1:32:40.040 --> 1:32:41.519 comp for Michael Mayor. 1:32:41.960 --> 1:32:45.000 Yeah, so I think that that was the player. Mayor's 1:32:45.000 --> 1:32:48.240 a good blocker. I I wouldn't be against Michael Mayor. 1:32:48.360 --> 1:32:52.800 I think the idea of four to six from like 1:32:52.880 --> 1:32:55.120 moving down two spots and getting Michael Mayer. I think 1:32:55.120 --> 1:32:57.880 you should get more back in that trade, especially in 1:32:57.920 --> 1:33:01.479 this draft when they were good tight ends. He would 1:33:01.520 --> 1:33:03.320 need something else on top of that, But as a whole, 1:33:03.320 --> 1:33:06.200 I wouldn't mind Mayor. Hendrickson obviously should be a target 1:33:06.240 --> 1:33:08.720 if he's available. They need that pass rusher. He's a 1:33:08.760 --> 1:33:10.840 great fit. In Mike Rabel's defense, I think he's a 1:33:10.880 --> 1:33:14.040 great personality fit for the culture Mike Vrabel wants to bring. 1:33:14.320 --> 1:33:16.720 That being said, I'm not ruling out the Bengals keeping 1:33:16.760 --> 1:33:17.280 all of them. 1:33:17.360 --> 1:33:17.559 Yeah. 1:33:17.640 --> 1:33:20.360 Joe Burrow has been very public about wanting to keep everybody. 1:33:21.400 --> 1:33:24.280 Talking to people in Cincinnati, it sounds like he's been 1:33:24.520 --> 1:33:28.120 as forceful behind the scenes and putting the pressure on ownership. 1:33:28.280 --> 1:33:30.160 And if people say, oh, you know, they only have 1:33:30.160 --> 1:33:32.840 so much money to spend, well, if Burrow's willing to 1:33:32.840 --> 1:33:34.600 take a pay cut or just move it even just 1:33:34.640 --> 1:33:38.439 move his money around. The cap can be manipulated, as 1:33:38.479 --> 1:33:40.280 we know. I'm not ruling out them keeping all of 1:33:40.280 --> 1:33:43.240 those guys, but if Hendrickson's available, Patriots should be on it. 1:33:43.360 --> 1:33:47.360 Only like a little bit with Hendrickson is he is 1:33:47.439 --> 1:33:49.439 thirty and he you know, he's going to be going 1:33:49.479 --> 1:33:53.320 into his thirty one age thirty one season. I just 1:33:53.400 --> 1:33:55.760 do think that that matters for the Patriots in terms 1:33:55.800 --> 1:33:59.200 of windows and stuff like that. You could get Trey 1:33:59.240 --> 1:34:01.800 Hendrickson for this year and he would obviously give you 1:34:01.880 --> 1:34:04.720 a big boost for this year. But like as Trey 1:34:04.760 --> 1:34:07.160 Hendrickson really going to be around for when the Patriots 1:34:07.200 --> 1:34:10.240 are truly good again, like not just like flashing the pan, 1:34:10.320 --> 1:34:13.040 good again, like twenty twenty one Patriots, you know, make 1:34:13.080 --> 1:34:14.880 a playoff run because you know, you get a week 1:34:14.960 --> 1:34:18.200 schedule and I have decent quarterback play again in the defense, 1:34:18.520 --> 1:34:22.519 like I'm talking about contending, Yeah, consistently. 1:34:22.120 --> 1:34:23.920 He might be. I mean some of these edge rushers 1:34:24.040 --> 1:34:26.720 are starting to play like longer now. This is kind 1:34:26.760 --> 1:34:28.479 of a trend that's started to happen. These guys are 1:34:28.920 --> 1:34:30.880 still effective players, they're in their mid thirties. If he's 1:34:30.920 --> 1:34:32.559 here for another three years. Yeah, he could be there 1:34:32.560 --> 1:34:34.960 at the start of their true contention window. 1:34:35.000 --> 1:34:36.880 He reminds me a little bit of Judon just in 1:34:36.960 --> 1:34:39.120 terms of play style and all that kind of stuff. 1:34:39.160 --> 1:34:42.880 So I'm not anti Trey Henderson. I just I just wondered, 1:34:42.960 --> 1:34:45.320 you know, at thirty one years old. All right, Next 1:34:45.439 --> 1:34:49.360 question here from Andrew who says he's a long time listener, 1:34:49.479 --> 1:34:52.439 second time emailer. You usually hear first time emailer, but 1:34:52.520 --> 1:34:56.719 second time email he is a pretty long winded email. 1:34:56.760 --> 1:34:59.559 But I saw just narrow it down. Basically, he's asking 1:34:59.760 --> 1:35:02.640 what this coaching staff, the new Patriots coaching staff, like, 1:35:02.680 --> 1:35:05.280 what position do we feel that they will be best 1:35:05.280 --> 1:35:08.599 at developing on the roster based off of their coaching staff. 1:35:08.800 --> 1:35:12.080 You know, he mentioned Jeff Stallin in Philly with the Eagles, 1:35:12.080 --> 1:35:14.280 their offensive line coach, who is kind of like a 1:35:14.360 --> 1:35:18.080 Dante Scarneki type figure there in Philadelphia and is able 1:35:18.120 --> 1:35:21.400 to develop linemen. I would still say front seven guys 1:35:21.439 --> 1:35:24.559 like I really trust Rabel and Terrell Williams, Like, if 1:35:24.560 --> 1:35:28.160 they got a toolsy front seven player wherever it is 1:35:28.200 --> 1:35:31.479 in the draft, I really feel strongly that those two 1:35:31.560 --> 1:35:34.679 guys would develop that player into a really good player. 1:35:35.280 --> 1:35:38.519 You know, whether it's Abdul Carter, it's somebody you know 1:35:38.840 --> 1:35:41.439 on Day two of the draft that has some really 1:35:41.680 --> 1:35:46.920 flashy tools. I wouldn't necessarily say I would draft. You know, 1:35:47.640 --> 1:35:50.280 good example I think is like mikel Williams from Georgia, right, 1:35:50.280 --> 1:35:54.560 who is just a raw toolsy Trayvon Walker ish prospect 1:35:54.600 --> 1:35:56.880 that's just a ball of clay. I wouldn't necessarily do 1:35:56.920 --> 1:35:58.320 at the top of the draft just because of where 1:35:58.360 --> 1:36:01.160 the Patriots are, but just in general, I would feel 1:36:01.200 --> 1:36:05.240 pretty comfortable with drafting traits on the defensive line because 1:36:05.280 --> 1:36:08.360 I'd have pretty good confidence in Rabel and Terrell Williams 1:36:08.360 --> 1:36:08.920 to develop that. 1:36:09.520 --> 1:36:12.000 Yeah, I think it's defensive front too, that's where most 1:36:12.040 --> 1:36:15.479 of the experiences, you know, linebackers, line and all of that. 1:36:15.520 --> 1:36:16.160 I'd agree with that. 1:36:16.520 --> 1:36:21.320 Yep. So this email is from Ron and he says congratulations, 1:36:21.439 --> 1:36:24.160 and he says that he is so happy that Alex 1:36:24.280 --> 1:36:27.280 is going to the Combine this year, and so I 1:36:27.320 --> 1:36:29.519 can just now is a good time to say this 1:36:29.800 --> 1:36:32.280 Because of that, We're gonna do a live show from 1:36:32.280 --> 1:36:37.440 the Combine next week on Radio Row in the Indianapolis 1:36:37.439 --> 1:36:40.840 Convention Center. So Alex and I it sounds like it 1:36:40.880 --> 1:36:43.599 will be Wednesday afternoon. I don't think it's public gets. 1:36:43.640 --> 1:36:46.680 I won't get into all the scheduling details, but I 1:36:46.720 --> 1:36:48.599 do think we're gonna hear from Mike Rabel and Elliot 1:36:48.600 --> 1:36:52.160 Wolf next year, next year, next week in Indianapolis. So 1:36:52.960 --> 1:36:55.000 we're gonna do it later on in the afternoon just 1:36:55.040 --> 1:36:56.920 to make sure we've already heard from everybody and we 1:36:56.920 --> 1:36:59.040 can kind of react to it and all that good stuff. 1:36:59.240 --> 1:37:02.000 But a live radio Row show from the Combine, we've 1:37:02.000 --> 1:37:03.680 made it. There we go. I feel like this is 1:37:03.760 --> 1:37:05.559 like something that we've wanted to do for. 1:37:05.520 --> 1:37:07.479 A very long time time in the making. 1:37:07.640 --> 1:37:13.519 Yeah. Absolutely. So the other question that that Ron here 1:37:13.600 --> 1:37:16.200 has just about some of the Day two guys. He 1:37:16.320 --> 1:37:18.760 mentions Ursery, who he talked a little bit about. 1:37:18.800 --> 1:37:20.360 I don't think he's a Day two guy at this point. 1:37:20.479 --> 1:37:24.200 And Landon Jackson, who had a nice end of the 1:37:24.200 --> 1:37:27.280 week at the Singer Bowl, a big, you know, defensive 1:37:27.400 --> 1:37:30.599 end outside linebacker type. And eighty five. 1:37:30.680 --> 1:37:33.400 Now there's there's your edge center, there's your run stopper 1:37:33.479 --> 1:37:35.479 on the edge. That's he's kind of the opposite of 1:37:35.520 --> 1:37:38.160 a lot of these guys we've talked about where he's 1:37:38.200 --> 1:37:40.599 not quite there yet as a pass rusher. I think 1:37:40.600 --> 1:37:43.679 he's a three down player, but his pass rush room 1:37:43.800 --> 1:37:46.400 game has room to grow. His run game is what 1:37:46.479 --> 1:37:47.880 makes him so impressive at this point. 1:37:48.080 --> 1:37:51.080 Yeah, I think he's a little bit too like Anthony 1:37:51.160 --> 1:37:53.360 Jennings in my mind, like you already had that player 1:37:53.439 --> 1:37:54.960 kind of yeah, see that. 1:37:55.120 --> 1:37:56.479 I mean, if they were going to stay in the 1:37:56.479 --> 1:37:59.200 old defense, I would say, is a replacement for Dietrich 1:37:59.240 --> 1:38:01.400 Wise if he's not back. Yeah, you know, you could 1:38:01.439 --> 1:38:03.400 have him put on ten pounds and play him hand down. 1:38:03.479 --> 1:38:05.920 But if they're going to be this, you know, quicker, 1:38:06.000 --> 1:38:08.400 smaller defense than he had, Jennings is in that role. 1:38:09.000 --> 1:38:12.080 So with er three, I mentioned you know already a 1:38:12.080 --> 1:38:15.639 little bit about Er three. I like Ersrie, I don't 1:38:15.680 --> 1:38:17.920 love Erstrie. I think the big thing with Ersrie to 1:38:18.000 --> 1:38:22.400 me is just that he's just gonna have those natural 1:38:22.439 --> 1:38:25.320 physical limitations of a six foot six, three hundred and 1:38:25.320 --> 1:38:28.679 fifty pound person, right, Like, he's just not a nimble mover. 1:38:29.240 --> 1:38:32.679 Uh he's maybe you could put him as nimble mover 1:38:32.800 --> 1:38:35.080 for his size, but we're not. Then we're putting that 1:38:35.200 --> 1:38:38.720 caveat on for his size, right. So he had some 1:38:38.720 --> 1:38:42.280 of those stiffness in his lowers and just like foot heaviness, 1:38:42.280 --> 1:38:45.680 you know, not exactly a light footed guy. But at 1:38:45.680 --> 1:38:49.439 the same time, you know, can't teach size, can't teach strength. 1:38:50.680 --> 1:38:53.679 Very good difference maker in the run game. I actually thought, 1:38:53.720 --> 1:38:56.080 you know, he had some like one or two ugly 1:38:56.120 --> 1:38:58.040 reps against Abdul Carter, But I thought he kind of 1:38:58.080 --> 1:39:01.559 competed in that game against Abdul Carter, which is probably 1:39:01.600 --> 1:39:04.200 his best tape. I would say to feature him as 1:39:04.200 --> 1:39:07.679 an NFL prospect. So I'm not anti Ursery. I just wonder, 1:39:07.720 --> 1:39:09.960 if you know, because of the lack of depth in 1:39:09.960 --> 1:39:11.920 this draft and all that stuff, like, does he end 1:39:12.040 --> 1:39:14.720 up going in like the twenties and now, yeah, we 1:39:14.720 --> 1:39:17.200 could talk about trade ups, but it gets complicated. 1:39:18.240 --> 1:39:19.679 Yeah, yeah, it gets a little tougher. 1:39:20.120 --> 1:39:24.240 All right. Two more guys. This is from Christian from Virginia. 1:39:24.880 --> 1:39:28.120 One of my guys in this draft, Luther Burden, and 1:39:28.439 --> 1:39:32.200 he asks, how heavily do you weigh his last season 1:39:32.280 --> 1:39:37.599 struggles on Luther Burden And you know, just the twenty 1:39:37.640 --> 1:39:40.240 three tape versus the twenty fourth tape. This is a 1:39:40.240 --> 1:39:44.920 fair question. Obviously, Yes, I would say that Luther Burden 1:39:46.120 --> 1:39:48.719 including Travis Hunter would be wide receiver three. Not including 1:39:48.760 --> 1:39:50.920 Travis Hunter would be wide receiver two. You still have 1:39:50.960 --> 1:39:54.000 him behind tap right, Yeah, just strictly based off the film. 1:39:54.040 --> 1:39:54.479 Sure. 1:39:54.680 --> 1:39:57.639 Again, like I said, we're else we were talking about 1:39:57.640 --> 1:40:01.439 the Mike Green. Like I said, with Mike Green, I'm 1:40:01.439 --> 1:40:04.960 not in the interviews. I'm not a scout, so I don't. 1:40:05.000 --> 1:40:08.360 I hate judging like the mental tough hangs off the field. 1:40:08.720 --> 1:40:10.880 I just want to separate this though, because it's Mike Green. 1:40:11.040 --> 1:40:13.280 It's like it's been and I don't know what happened, 1:40:13.280 --> 1:40:15.920 but yeah, it's been. I think like character concern has 1:40:15.920 --> 1:40:18.800 been brought up with Luther Burden. It's basically just that. 1:40:19.200 --> 1:40:21.479 So when it comes twenty three, twenty four, Brady Cook, 1:40:21.520 --> 1:40:25.479 who I liked, just fell off. I don't know what happened. 1:40:25.479 --> 1:40:27.280 He was hurt for part of the year. But even before, 1:40:27.320 --> 1:40:30.000 like Brady Cook, who was kind of supposed to be 1:40:30.040 --> 1:40:34.400 that like Bridge day two quarterback guy had an atrociousye. 1:40:34.400 --> 1:40:35.679 I mean he was really bad. 1:40:35.760 --> 1:40:35.960 Yeah. 1:40:35.960 --> 1:40:37.080 I don't want to pick on the guy, but he 1:40:37.160 --> 1:40:40.000 was not good. Naturally, that's gonna impact the wide receivers 1:40:40.439 --> 1:40:42.960 and in certain games when it was going well for 1:40:43.040 --> 1:40:45.400 Luther Burden. Anybody who watched that BC game saw it. 1:40:46.240 --> 1:40:48.439 He got a little emotional inside of mine. It wasn't 1:40:48.479 --> 1:40:52.200 full on Odell Beckham boxing the field gold net, but 1:40:52.600 --> 1:40:55.599 he was clearly frustrated. And that's where the and you 1:40:55.640 --> 1:40:57.639 saw it in the body language two where he would 1:40:57.720 --> 1:41:00.840 kind of it. He appeared to like check out at 1:41:00.840 --> 1:41:02.800 times in games when it was just clear that they 1:41:02.800 --> 1:41:05.640 didn't have it. That's the question with Burden. It's not 1:41:05.760 --> 1:41:09.480 an off field thing. It's just will he stay engaged 1:41:09.920 --> 1:41:12.120 if he's not getting the ball and if the team struggling. 1:41:12.800 --> 1:41:15.000 I really like Burden too, just to kind of expand 1:41:15.040 --> 1:41:18.240 on this, So whether you think he's the best receiver 1:41:18.320 --> 1:41:21.080 or not, Like I'm going with the consensus on this one. 1:41:21.360 --> 1:41:23.400 Teed McMillan's gonna be the first wide receiver off the board. 1:41:23.439 --> 1:41:26.360 He's gonna go somewhere in the top ten. Right. What 1:41:26.520 --> 1:41:32.040 happens next at wide receiver is an unknown and that's 1:41:32.080 --> 1:41:34.200 what's interesting to me. So to me, there's a clear 1:41:34.280 --> 1:41:37.400 cut next level. And with Travis Hunter again is his 1:41:37.400 --> 1:41:40.120 own thing. Yeah, there's a clear cut next level after 1:41:40.200 --> 1:41:45.639 Tet it's meta Buka it's Matthew Golden, and it's Luther Burden, 1:41:45.840 --> 1:41:48.080 and all three of those guys I think are I 1:41:48.120 --> 1:41:52.520 have them rated similarly. They're all very different players stylistically, 1:41:52.920 --> 1:41:56.679 especially a BUCA, but they're all similar impact kind of guys. 1:41:58.120 --> 1:42:02.080 Who goes next? Where do they go? Because the idea 1:42:02.120 --> 1:42:05.040 of the Patriots trading back up in the back end 1:42:05.080 --> 1:42:07.360 of the first round, which I think is a possibility 1:42:07.680 --> 1:42:11.800 for a receiver, is attractive, but who is there? I 1:42:11.840 --> 1:42:13.600 don't think all three of those guys make it to 1:42:13.640 --> 1:42:16.320 the twenties. I think one of them certainly does. Do 1:42:16.439 --> 1:42:21.799 two of them absolutely, we're just talking raw talent. Burden's 1:42:21.840 --> 1:42:26.080 the best of the three. Yeah, But because he's not 1:42:26.120 --> 1:42:29.080 as consistent, because there are those questions about him in 1:42:29.120 --> 1:42:32.519 between plays, does he get down in the twenties. I'm 1:42:32.520 --> 1:42:35.960 not super worried about the moodiness. I'm really not. I 1:42:35.960 --> 1:42:36.920 think that's overblown. 1:42:37.040 --> 1:42:38.599 It's also wide receiver for you. 1:42:38.720 --> 1:42:41.200 Right, find a good wide receiver that's okay, not getting 1:42:41.200 --> 1:42:44.680 the football. If Burden gets down into the twenties, if 1:42:44.680 --> 1:42:46.559 they're gonna do the trade backup for a receiver thing, 1:42:46.640 --> 1:42:48.760 let's say they take Campbell or whoever at the top right, 1:42:48.840 --> 1:42:51.040 not Ted. So they take Campbell, they take Carter, they 1:42:51.040 --> 1:42:54.519 take Michael Williams, even if it's Tyler Warren honestly, and 1:42:54.560 --> 1:42:56.639 then they move back up into the twenties. Twenty four 1:42:56.680 --> 1:42:58.360 to me is the sweet spot because the Vikings have 1:42:58.400 --> 1:43:01.360 no picks in this draft. I think they five total. Like, 1:43:01.400 --> 1:43:04.200 if Luther Burn's there at twenty four, I'm sprinting up 1:43:04.240 --> 1:43:05.559 to get him. You can make an argument for a 1:43:05.600 --> 1:43:08.200 Buka and Golden two. I think they all fit, but 1:43:08.640 --> 1:43:10.559 I don't know lu Luther Burn's gonna get in the twenties. 1:43:11.040 --> 1:43:13.760 If he does, I think that's the best option for 1:43:13.800 --> 1:43:15.200 the Patriots in a trade back up. 1:43:15.640 --> 1:43:18.240 So I look at Luther Burden and think it's gonna 1:43:18.240 --> 1:43:19.040 go one of two ways. 1:43:19.120 --> 1:43:19.200 Ye. 1:43:19.600 --> 1:43:21.880 He's either gonna fly off the board yep, and he's 1:43:21.880 --> 1:43:24.879 gonna be gone by fifteen, right or something. 1:43:24.720 --> 1:43:27.080 That's probably about his ceiling, like twelve to fifty right. 1:43:27.120 --> 1:43:30.519 Or he's gonna be on the board forever because teams 1:43:30.560 --> 1:43:31.280 have crossed him off. 1:43:31.280 --> 1:43:33.479 So Adie Mitchell, Sure, yeah. 1:43:33.360 --> 1:43:35.840 Adie Mitchell or something like that, you know, And all 1:43:35.840 --> 1:43:38.320 of a sudden, he were starting day two and now. 1:43:38.160 --> 1:43:40.200 And then the Chiefs trade up and get him. He's amazing. 1:43:40.280 --> 1:43:44.559 Yeah, so there's a world because of that that Luther 1:43:44.640 --> 1:43:47.840 Burden is available closer to where the Patriots are gonna 1:43:47.840 --> 1:43:51.080 pick at thirty eight. But if he is, then you 1:43:51.240 --> 1:43:54.479 have to weigh the question of, well can we manage 1:43:54.479 --> 1:43:57.320 a guy like this? You know everybody else is seeing 1:43:57.680 --> 1:43:59.840 some sort you know, he's taking a lot in about 1:43:59.840 --> 1:44:02.920 the character flags the reason though, in terms of the 1:44:02.960 --> 1:44:06.000 talent overall, though, like his season two years ago to 1:44:06.080 --> 1:44:08.960 me is good enough to prop him up as a 1:44:08.960 --> 1:44:11.599 top twenty player in the class in my mind, because 1:44:11.640 --> 1:44:14.280 it was such an early breakout year for him that 1:44:14.360 --> 1:44:16.800 if you look at the course of his story as 1:44:16.840 --> 1:44:20.200 that of this of the receiver position, usually when you 1:44:20.240 --> 1:44:22.400 break out as a true sophomore and you put on 1:44:22.520 --> 1:44:25.200 film that you're like a top first round pick, top talent, 1:44:25.240 --> 1:44:27.840 and a draft type of player. The next year, the 1:44:27.920 --> 1:44:29.800 junior season is kind of just buying time. 1:44:29.920 --> 1:44:31.640 Well, you know who my comp is for this and 1:44:31.680 --> 1:44:37.040 you hate it? Yeah it's Jordan Addison. Yeah, different players stylistically, 1:44:37.240 --> 1:44:40.040 and Jordan Addison transferred, But this is what happened with 1:44:40.080 --> 1:44:42.720 Jordan Aison. You're buying top bullet Pit. I think did 1:44:42.720 --> 1:44:44.639 he win the Bullet and a Coffee was a finalist? Yeah. 1:44:44.760 --> 1:44:48.360 In his sophomore year, transferred to USC and USC Wow, 1:44:49.200 --> 1:44:52.200 Lincoln RD, He's gonna even better. Didn't really work out 1:44:52.240 --> 1:44:54.360 there and suddenly people started saying, maybe he's not a 1:44:54.400 --> 1:44:56.200 first round pick. But it was no. If you go 1:44:56.320 --> 1:44:58.400 watch him at PIT, he is. It was just for 1:44:58.479 --> 1:45:00.880 whatever reason, didn't click. I think I know the reason 1:45:00.880 --> 1:45:02.639 with Luthor burn is because the rest of the offense 1:45:02.680 --> 1:45:05.519 didn't carry their share with the load. But it kind 1:45:05.560 --> 1:45:08.479 of reminds me of Jordan Addison, where you're gonna have 1:45:08.479 --> 1:45:10.880 to choose what do you believe in the two years 1:45:10.920 --> 1:45:13.200 ago tape or the last year tape. I'll believe in 1:45:13.200 --> 1:45:15.160 the two years ago tape. I'm perfectly fine doing that. 1:45:15.200 --> 1:45:15.840 With Luthor Burton. 1:45:15.920 --> 1:45:18.240 There's just a lot of freshman year is pretty good. 1:45:18.240 --> 1:45:20.640 There's just a lot of evidence of that of you know, 1:45:21.400 --> 1:45:23.919 the second year. You know, maybe it's a true freshman 1:45:23.960 --> 1:45:27.599 breakout or a true sophomore breakout. Drake may like Drake, 1:45:27.920 --> 1:45:30.320 you know, his big season was his true sophomore season. 1:45:30.560 --> 1:45:32.320 Then he took a little bit of a step back 1:45:32.760 --> 1:45:36.040 freshman or yeah, maybe it's retroan freshman and took a 1:45:36.040 --> 1:45:38.519 little bit behind hell for you a little step back. 1:45:39.280 --> 1:45:44.280 It's just young breakout player, three level separator, awesome with 1:45:44.320 --> 1:45:47.640 the football in his hands, explosive with the capital legue. Like, 1:45:47.720 --> 1:45:50.080 there's just a lot to love about the player. Yeah, 1:45:50.320 --> 1:45:52.479 if he checks out mentally, it will be a different thing. 1:45:52.520 --> 1:45:55.240 The other player that he mentioned. We'll get back to 1:45:55.280 --> 1:45:57.880 the phones here before you wrap it is Jack Sawyer. 1:45:59.720 --> 1:46:01.040 How to feel about Jack Sawyer? 1:46:01.200 --> 1:46:02.519 Know how I feel about Jack Sawer. 1:46:03.120 --> 1:46:06.280 I think Jack Sawyer is probably not a natural pass 1:46:06.360 --> 1:46:08.800 rusher in terms of like winning one on one. He's 1:46:08.840 --> 1:46:12.440 probably better like within the scheme, you know, stun simulated 1:46:12.479 --> 1:46:15.920 pressures like getting him free and things like that. Good 1:46:16.120 --> 1:46:20.080 solid enough run defender in terms of just base run defender. 1:46:20.439 --> 1:46:22.680 But as a pass rusher, I don't necessarily think he's 1:46:22.720 --> 1:46:26.040 gonna be like a difference making one on one edge rusher. 1:46:26.600 --> 1:46:28.800 But if you put him in a in stunts and 1:46:28.840 --> 1:46:31.240 twists and things like that up front, he can be 1:46:31.280 --> 1:46:34.400 effective on those and leader, you know, leader through. 1:46:34.240 --> 1:46:38.479 The brings the edge, high motor, physical player, tone setter, 1:46:39.000 --> 1:46:45.519 character guy, all of that. He can't lead your pass rush. 1:46:46.000 --> 1:46:48.360 But if you're let me put it to you this way. 1:46:48.439 --> 1:46:51.360 If they're two edge guys next year, or Josh Sweat 1:46:51.400 --> 1:46:53.000 and Jack Sawyer, how do you feel about that? 1:46:53.160 --> 1:46:55.559 Oh? Very good? Yeah, exactly, because I think Jack Sawyer 1:46:55.640 --> 1:46:59.160 is a perfect compliment. He's a perfect Robin, right, like 1:46:59.640 --> 1:47:02.280 if somebody else is drawing all the attention and he's 1:47:02.320 --> 1:47:04.880 just gonna be able to just you know, use picks 1:47:04.920 --> 1:47:06.760 and games and stuff like that and get after the 1:47:06.840 --> 1:47:08.759 quarterback and like harass people. 1:47:09.240 --> 1:47:11.400 Everybody wants to compare to Mike Vrabel because he's at 1:47:11.439 --> 1:47:14.200 Ohio State and Vrabel's here and it's the top of mind. 1:47:14.800 --> 1:47:18.280 Rob Ninkovic, not bad, Rob Nikovic. And you so now 1:47:18.280 --> 1:47:20.840 you and I mean you just have to go find 1:47:20.880 --> 1:47:23.559 your Chandler Jones or your Trey Flowers, like those are 1:47:23.600 --> 1:47:27.000 good players obviously. But again, if you get a guy 1:47:27.040 --> 1:47:28.960 like Josh Sweat, or you trade for guy like Trey 1:47:28.960 --> 1:47:32.040 Hendrickson and then you have Jack Sawyer on the other side, 1:47:33.720 --> 1:47:35.240 here you go, you're off and run. 1:47:35.560 --> 1:47:35.760 Yeah. 1:47:36.000 --> 1:47:36.360 Uh. 1:47:36.479 --> 1:47:41.240 Nicholas Nick asks about Mason Graham, who I've I've been 1:47:41.240 --> 1:47:44.600 on the record about being you know, uh lukewarm. I 1:47:44.640 --> 1:47:45.840 guess I would say is the best way. 1:47:46.120 --> 1:47:47.640 I want to be careful about this because I feel like, 1:47:47.720 --> 1:47:49.400 especially this time of year, we start to go down 1:47:49.400 --> 1:47:52.559 this road not thinking the player is a fit for 1:47:52.600 --> 1:47:55.360 the Patriots and not thinking he's a good player, or 1:47:55.400 --> 1:47:58.280 two different things. Yeah, I think Mason Graham's a very 1:47:58.280 --> 1:48:01.240 good player, and in an other world, or the Patriots 1:48:01.280 --> 1:48:03.439 win a couple more games this year, maybe we're talking 1:48:03.479 --> 1:48:06.920 about him as a much more realistic option at four 1:48:07.479 --> 1:48:09.040 with the other players we think are going to be 1:48:09.040 --> 1:48:13.160 on the board. He's he's not a bad pick, but 1:48:13.200 --> 1:48:14.960 I don't think he's the best pick they can make. 1:48:15.280 --> 1:48:18.320 So the question here though, I guess PFF gave him 1:48:18.320 --> 1:48:22.040 a really high run defense grade, which I frankly could 1:48:22.080 --> 1:48:24.840 care less about. But in the run defense grade, I 1:48:24.840 --> 1:48:27.400 guess he was really high. I've said in the past, 1:48:27.400 --> 1:48:29.960 which is true, that I think he's kind of, you know, 1:48:30.000 --> 1:48:32.559 an average run defender. I think, you know, with PFF, 1:48:32.600 --> 1:48:34.479 they they probably put a lot of weight into run 1:48:34.560 --> 1:48:37.160 stops and stuffs and things like that, which is all 1:48:37.200 --> 1:48:39.960 well and fair. When I watch Mason Graham on film, 1:48:40.400 --> 1:48:42.720 I think, in general, like he lacks a little bit 1:48:42.760 --> 1:48:45.040 of power below his waist, so he's not a great 1:48:45.200 --> 1:48:47.400 in taking on double teams. I don't think he's awful 1:48:47.439 --> 1:48:50.439 at it, but he's not great at taking on double teams. 1:48:50.760 --> 1:48:53.880 And he also has shorter arms and a shorter upper 1:48:53.920 --> 1:48:57.519 bodies kind of got just overall like a stocky, stout build. 1:48:58.200 --> 1:48:59.160 And so when you don't. 1:48:59.040 --> 1:49:01.360 Again like we were talking with edge rushers, like when 1:49:01.360 --> 1:49:04.400 you don't have that length to really extend and and 1:49:04.439 --> 1:49:07.720 separate from blocks in the run game, it becomes more 1:49:07.760 --> 1:49:10.720 difficult to do things like two gaping and stuff like that. 1:49:10.840 --> 1:49:13.320 So if you're expecting him to shoot gaps and slither 1:49:13.360 --> 1:49:17.240 around blocks and slip box and slide inside gaps and 1:49:17.280 --> 1:49:19.639 things like that, Like, if that's the type of defense 1:49:19.680 --> 1:49:21.880 you're gonna play, then he's a great player for that. 1:49:22.320 --> 1:49:24.680 If you're expecting him to be stout and just like 1:49:24.800 --> 1:49:27.120 stand guys up at the point of attack, I just 1:49:27.160 --> 1:49:29.479 don't think that he has that kind of body type. 1:49:29.520 --> 1:49:31.760 And I'll include this too, let's not forget. And I 1:49:32.280 --> 1:49:33.800 honestly I have to remind myself of this when I 1:49:33.840 --> 1:49:37.280 saw jeremiahs Mok the other day. Yeah, Michigan is another 1:49:37.360 --> 1:49:39.599 defensive tackle that's gonna go in the first round. Yeah, 1:49:39.640 --> 1:49:40.559 I watched him the other day. 1:49:41.000 --> 1:49:41.799 Kennth Grant. 1:49:41.840 --> 1:49:46.200 YEA is also a really good player. But Kenneth Grant 1:49:46.320 --> 1:49:48.800 was the run stopper in that group. So when teams 1:49:48.800 --> 1:49:52.080 are running, they're running at Mason Graham because the Kenneth 1:49:52.080 --> 1:49:55.200 Grant's like threered and forty pounds. He's a nose tackle, 1:49:56.000 --> 1:49:59.000 so he's getting most of the attention from offenses in 1:49:59.040 --> 1:50:01.400 the run game. They I wanted to run at Gram. 1:50:01.520 --> 1:50:03.479 I like Kenneth Grant. He's a good player. Does make 1:50:03.520 --> 1:50:04.799 sense for the Patriots. He's a good player. 1:50:05.160 --> 1:50:08.599 Uh. Dave says that he is happy that I've mentioned 1:50:08.640 --> 1:50:11.000 that Ashton Denty is a blue chip player in this 1:50:11.200 --> 1:50:13.639 draft even though he plays running back. And he thinks 1:50:13.640 --> 1:50:15.200 that that's very big of me. 1:50:15.320 --> 1:50:18.040 As as I'm impressed you've you fully and brak. You 1:50:18.040 --> 1:50:21.839 didn't you let me do my whole best player availables 1:50:21.840 --> 1:50:23.639 made up. You didn't belly ache about having to admit 1:50:23.680 --> 1:50:25.559 the running backs and the punters are good. It was good. 1:50:26.280 --> 1:50:29.120 Uh. This email the subject line is telling you to 1:50:29.160 --> 1:50:32.080 shut up. Yeah, okay, there you go. We get those 1:50:32.120 --> 1:50:33.840 something about what just that's it? 1:50:34.000 --> 1:50:39.600 That's the whole email? What time? What time was that email? Uh? 1:50:39.800 --> 1:50:42.559 Twelve thirty seven, just be quiet to stop. 1:50:42.760 --> 1:50:44.960 What I was saying about half an hour, and I remember, 1:50:45.280 --> 1:50:46.679 I don't think that was the best avail. 1:50:47.120 --> 1:50:49.040 I think that was later last week. It was you know, 1:50:49.080 --> 1:50:50.360 it would be me shut up next week. 1:50:50.439 --> 1:50:53.200 No, I know, I'm just I'm curious what set that off? 1:50:53.720 --> 1:50:54.639 Uh yep. 1:50:54.720 --> 1:50:57.320 This emailer says that they love hearing you interrupt me 1:50:58.240 --> 1:50:59.719 about pronunciations, which. 1:50:59.600 --> 1:51:02.960 I'm off that I can. Oh, maybe that's what it was. 1:51:03.000 --> 1:51:05.960 As we're in like a deep philosophical conversation and I 1:51:06.040 --> 1:51:08.040 say somebody's weird name, and then all of a sudden 1:51:08.040 --> 1:51:10.559 we have to derail from the conversation for you to 1:51:10.560 --> 1:51:14.880 correct me. What was it, Kevin Bayard? Apparently I said, 1:51:17.000 --> 1:51:21.160 really bothered you. 1:51:21.240 --> 1:51:22.120 A lot of emails. 1:51:22.120 --> 1:51:27.320 I'm trying to get to the best ones here, I know, Okay, 1:51:27.439 --> 1:51:29.920 this one just saying, you know, if Will Campbell, if 1:51:29.920 --> 1:51:33.040 I think that the patrons don't have a left guard 1:51:33.080 --> 1:51:34.560 on the roster, at least a good you know, a 1:51:34.600 --> 1:51:37.439 good left guard, Like why wouldn't you take Will Campbell? Anyways, 1:51:37.640 --> 1:51:40.560 I'm not that crazy. Like, positional value still matters a 1:51:40.600 --> 1:51:42.640 lot to me. I understand that you can make the 1:51:42.760 --> 1:51:44.559 argument that he's going to be like a Zach Martin 1:51:44.680 --> 1:51:47.680 Quentin Nelson level guard. I probably still wouldn't do it 1:51:47.680 --> 1:51:49.240 at that point, you know, I hate guards. 1:51:49.120 --> 1:51:50.800 Not A four. If you can get a Hault to 1:51:50.840 --> 1:51:53.360 trade down and he's still there at like ten eleven, twelve, 1:51:53.960 --> 1:51:55.679 i'd consider it. I'd have to see you else would 1:51:55.680 --> 1:51:57.639 be on board. I'm not taking him as a guard 1:51:57.640 --> 1:51:58.120 A four though. 1:51:58.680 --> 1:52:03.680 Yeah, Okay, a lot of scenarios. I don't know if 1:52:03.720 --> 1:52:05.719 I can read all these are tough. 1:52:06.000 --> 1:52:07.799 Yeah, it's it's tough radio. 1:52:07.960 --> 1:52:08.160 Yep. 1:52:08.200 --> 1:52:09.439 That's more male bag question. 1:52:09.920 --> 1:52:12.320 So this question is not really draft related, but I 1:52:12.360 --> 1:52:16.360 do think it is. It's pertinent just about when does 1:52:16.760 --> 1:52:19.639 Drake May start getting with Josh McDaniels to start learning 1:52:19.640 --> 1:52:20.760 the playbook and stuff like that. 1:52:20.800 --> 1:52:22.760 And was Josh McDaniels higher too three weeks ago? 1:52:22.920 --> 1:52:26.560 Yeah, technically, technically I think it's it's the start of 1:52:26.600 --> 1:52:29.880 the off season program in April is like the technical time. 1:52:30.360 --> 1:52:33.400 But Drake May, I'm sure already has the playbook. He's 1:52:33.439 --> 1:52:36.960 talked about the library, you know, the Tom Brady library 1:52:37.000 --> 1:52:39.840 that Josh McDaniels has that you can go back and 1:52:39.880 --> 1:52:42.120 watch all of that. So I think he's already cooking 1:52:43.520 --> 1:52:46.560 and all those things Henry asks, And I think this 1:52:46.640 --> 1:52:49.000 is an interesting player I'm not sure about for the Patriots. 1:52:49.000 --> 1:52:52.160 But if we're considering Will Campbell, despite you know, his 1:52:52.200 --> 1:52:56.200 measurements and all that, why not memboo armand Membo, who 1:52:56.479 --> 1:52:58.519 I think is a really good player on film too, 1:52:59.080 --> 1:53:01.759 But maybe that ten to twenty ranges. 1:53:01.840 --> 1:53:03.679 Also, I mean he's only played right tackle. 1:53:03.840 --> 1:53:04.080 Yep. 1:53:04.160 --> 1:53:08.439 I guess if they were to sign whoever one of 1:53:08.439 --> 1:53:13.519 those Cam Robinson or Alaric Jackson, and you know, you're okay, 1:53:13.520 --> 1:53:15.639 now we're gonna draft Membu to play on the right side, 1:53:15.680 --> 1:53:18.320 and we're just gonna, you know, give up on Kane Wallace. 1:53:18.360 --> 1:53:21.040 Experiment like that could make sense. I could get into that, 1:53:21.280 --> 1:53:23.639 But I'm not drafting member to play left tackle. 1:53:24.280 --> 1:53:27.200 Yep. I agree with you. No, definitely not to play 1:53:27.280 --> 1:53:29.000 left tackle. No, that's and. 1:53:28.920 --> 1:53:30.920 I'm not drafting a right tackle in the first round 1:53:30.920 --> 1:53:32.759 when left tackles still a need and there's left tackles 1:53:32.760 --> 1:53:35.439 on the board. But if they have left tackle answered, 1:53:35.560 --> 1:53:37.160 you know, if they move down a little bit, yeah, 1:53:37.280 --> 1:53:39.400 as a right tackle, I could get on board with that. 1:53:40.479 --> 1:53:45.160 Yeah. Uh, it's another question. From Steven that I always 1:53:45.160 --> 1:53:47.200 find interesting. You know, a lot of people will say 1:53:47.200 --> 1:53:49.479 to me, well, it doesn't none of it actually matters 1:53:49.560 --> 1:53:51.800 until we get through free agency, like because we don't know, 1:53:52.040 --> 1:53:54.120 you know, right is gonna happen in free agency. I 1:53:54.160 --> 1:53:58.959 think there's some truth to that. But I also, for example, 1:53:59.080 --> 1:54:03.800 if you sign Alerc Jackson or Camra Robinson, you are 1:54:03.840 --> 1:54:05.880 saying that that's gonna be our left tackle, right, so 1:54:05.920 --> 1:54:08.000 you're probably not gonna now take the left tackle in 1:54:08.000 --> 1:54:08.639 the first round. 1:54:09.120 --> 1:54:10.479 But I wouldn't say that. 1:54:10.600 --> 1:54:12.640 It's like it's a big sway for me, Like I 1:54:12.640 --> 1:54:16.080 still think you're gonna target the best players at premium 1:54:16.080 --> 1:54:18.640 positions in the top of the draft. Maybe if you 1:54:18.880 --> 1:54:21.479 if you sign a tackle and free agency, you don't 1:54:21.560 --> 1:54:24.599 draft Will Campbell. But if you really love Will Campbell, 1:54:24.680 --> 1:54:28.280 like as much as I do, maybe a Jackson plays right. 1:54:28.360 --> 1:54:30.439 Maybe Will Campbell plays right. Like we just did this 1:54:30.479 --> 1:54:31.200 with the Chargers. 1:54:31.280 --> 1:54:33.000 How long do you and how long did you sign 1:54:33.080 --> 1:54:35.200 him for? Maybe Will Campbell's your left guard this year 1:54:35.240 --> 1:54:36.520 and the next three he goes out to tackle. I 1:54:36.520 --> 1:54:38.760 wouldn't love that, but I could see something like that. 1:54:39.560 --> 1:54:42.720 It's also like get this stage too This is more 1:54:42.720 --> 1:54:44.560 about just learning who the players are. I know we're 1:54:44.560 --> 1:54:46.720 getting into some scenarios and would you take this guy 1:54:46.760 --> 1:54:49.560 here in this and that, But we're just kind of 1:54:49.600 --> 1:54:52.280 learning who these guys are. And then yes, once for 1:54:52.400 --> 1:54:54.600 agency happens, then you really start to get in the 1:54:54.720 --> 1:54:59.080 nitty gritty of okay, like order of operations, where are 1:54:59.080 --> 1:55:01.800 you taking different guys? What would this first round pick 1:55:01.840 --> 1:55:03.560 mean for the second round. I know we're doing some 1:55:03.600 --> 1:55:05.880 of that right now because it's just a fun hypothetical, 1:55:05.920 --> 1:55:08.280 but like, take that all with a grain of salt. 1:55:08.440 --> 1:55:11.520 This stage is really just about learning who the options are, 1:55:11.880 --> 1:55:14.440 regardless of how they maybe fit. 1:55:15.520 --> 1:55:17.320 All right, last one and then we'll take these calls 1:55:17.320 --> 1:55:20.120 and then we'll wrap it up. Willie is telling us 1:55:20.160 --> 1:55:23.720 that we should just enjoy and appreciate the rest of 1:55:23.720 --> 1:55:25.560 the draft. I think early on in the show we 1:55:25.560 --> 1:55:28.240 were getting a little hot and bothered by some of 1:55:28.280 --> 1:55:31.480 the takes and the draft. I agree. The draft is 1:55:31.520 --> 1:55:34.360 my favorite time of the year. It is a difficult 1:55:34.440 --> 1:55:36.800 time of the year though for me. I'm not gonna 1:55:36.840 --> 1:55:39.520 lie because and I love it. I love all the 1:55:39.520 --> 1:55:41.480 interest in the draft. I love it. I love that 1:55:41.520 --> 1:55:43.600 all you guys show so much interest in the draft, 1:55:43.640 --> 1:55:46.360 and we obviously greatly appreciate the interest in the show, 1:55:46.960 --> 1:55:49.440 but to constantly be told that you were wrong about 1:55:49.440 --> 1:55:52.040 something is always a little bit tough, even for people 1:55:52.080 --> 1:55:55.000 like us that are somewhat used to it. So whenever 1:55:55.040 --> 1:55:57.839 we get into it on Twitter or on here or whatever, 1:55:58.480 --> 1:56:03.200 I do sometimes get I'm tired of answering for you 1:56:03.240 --> 1:56:03.680 making my. 1:56:03.600 --> 1:56:07.480 Eye, especially this time of year, because there's so many unknowns. Right, 1:56:07.520 --> 1:56:10.160 Will Campbell's arm length is a variable, like a very 1:56:10.200 --> 1:56:13.520 significant variable in this entire draft that we don't know about. 1:56:13.760 --> 1:56:16.640 The Travis Hunter position thing is a very significant variable 1:56:16.640 --> 1:56:18.840 in this draft that we don't know about. The quarterbacks 1:56:18.920 --> 1:56:21.640 essentially being wild cards. They could go top three, we 1:56:21.720 --> 1:56:23.720 might not see either of them go top twenty, right, Like, 1:56:23.840 --> 1:56:26.200 we don't know. So it'll clear up a little bit 1:56:26.240 --> 1:56:28.800 as we go. But it's kind of like my take, 1:56:28.880 --> 1:56:30.240 I don't know if you heard this couple weeks ago, 1:56:30.280 --> 1:56:32.040 my take on the Bruins on the Sports Look, if 1:56:32.120 --> 1:56:35.280 you feel strongly about the Bruins, you're probably wrong. Didn't 1:56:35.280 --> 1:56:37.320 say which way because I don't think it's it's relevant, 1:56:37.560 --> 1:56:39.680 Like there's such a huge I would say the same 1:56:39.760 --> 1:56:43.520 thing at this point. If you feel really strongly about 1:56:43.640 --> 1:56:46.840 the way this draft is going to go, you're probably wrong, 1:56:47.120 --> 1:56:49.600 And I don't care what that feeling is. There's so 1:56:49.600 --> 1:56:52.760 many unknowns at this point, So it's because we have 1:56:52.800 --> 1:56:55.000 to make so many assumptions. It is kind of tough. 1:56:55.240 --> 1:56:57.120 I wrote this in my mock draft I did two 1:56:57.120 --> 1:57:00.000 weeks ago. This is the toughest mock draft I've ever done. Yeah, 1:57:00.080 --> 1:57:02.200 from a Patriots point of view, and just from the 1:57:02.320 --> 1:57:05.160 from the players on the board. There's so many unknowns 1:57:05.200 --> 1:57:07.040 with the team in terms of what could happen in 1:57:07.080 --> 1:57:09.560 free agency, what's changing with these new coaches. We have 1:57:09.720 --> 1:57:12.280 unknowns elsewhere in the league, like the t Higgins thing. 1:57:12.320 --> 1:57:13.960 That and we know that now, but we didn't know 1:57:14.000 --> 1:57:15.960 a couple of weeks ago to the unknowns we have 1:57:16.000 --> 1:57:18.240 with some of these players. With guys like Will Campbell 1:57:18.360 --> 1:57:21.760 and Travis Hunter, there's so many assumptions you have to make. 1:57:22.040 --> 1:57:24.800 So trying to talk about the draft in that sense 1:57:25.080 --> 1:57:30.040 at this point is really hard because you're not necessarily 1:57:30.040 --> 1:57:32.080 gonna be on the same page as somebody else because 1:57:32.240 --> 1:57:35.000 you might be operating I'm operating off the assumption that 1:57:35.040 --> 1:57:37.560 Will Campbell's gonna come in at thirty three inches rounder 1:57:37.640 --> 1:57:39.640 with his arms, somebody else might be operating off the 1:57:39.680 --> 1:57:42.360 assumption that he's gonna come in under Well. We're obviously 1:57:42.400 --> 1:57:44.840 gonna have two very different viewpoints on the draft, as 1:57:44.880 --> 1:57:49.040 we should, but there's no way you can't debate how 1:57:49.080 --> 1:57:51.080 long his arms are there. There's gonna be a measurement 1:57:51.120 --> 1:57:53.600 and that's what it's gonna be. So don't get it 1:57:53.720 --> 1:57:55.680 doing wrong. We are very much enjoying it. But this 1:57:55.720 --> 1:57:58.440 is a really unique draft. It's a tough to talk 1:57:58.480 --> 1:58:02.240 about it. It's a hard draft to comprehend. This is like, 1:58:02.720 --> 1:58:05.360 I'm so glad our first year, like fully doing this 1:58:05.480 --> 1:58:08.440 was twenty one, right, Yeah, probably because yeah, twenty I 1:58:08.920 --> 1:58:13.400 was the pandemic. And anyway, I'm so glad this isn't 1:58:13.400 --> 1:58:16.360 the first draft we're doing because I would be thinking 1:58:16.440 --> 1:58:19.040 back to how I approached the draft then and the 1:58:19.080 --> 1:58:20.680 things I've learned the last three is I wish I 1:58:20.680 --> 1:58:23.560 had three more years under my belt to do this draft. 1:58:24.200 --> 1:58:27.040 This is not easy. This is not an easy year. 1:58:27.320 --> 1:58:29.280 It's gonna get easier once we get some of this 1:58:29.320 --> 1:58:31.920 information at the combine and then free agency. This is 1:58:31.960 --> 1:58:34.440 a really tough year. In terms of and we approach 1:58:34.480 --> 1:58:36.000 it a little differently. We were texting about this the 1:58:36.080 --> 1:58:38.120 other night. Yeah, my big approach. I'll tell you if 1:58:38.120 --> 1:58:39.960 I think players will be good or not. I'm trying 1:58:39.960 --> 1:58:43.200 to get, you know, what's the draft outlook going to look? 1:58:43.200 --> 1:58:43.280 Like? 1:58:43.280 --> 1:58:45.440 Where are these guys are gonna go? Whatever they become. 1:58:45.480 --> 1:58:48.600 After that, we'll see you're more into that second part, 1:58:48.600 --> 1:58:51.840 which is projecting the careers. The first part of it 1:58:51.920 --> 1:58:54.560 that like how the draft is gonna go. It's it's 1:58:54.560 --> 1:58:55.880 a really hard year for that. 1:58:56.480 --> 1:59:00.320 I think it's it's exceptionally hard year in general, because, 1:59:01.320 --> 1:59:04.080 like I keep on saying all show, there's not a 1:59:04.120 --> 1:59:08.120 lot separating some of these guys. So it's really a 1:59:08.400 --> 1:59:11.080 what do you value in players? What's your flavor? Like, 1:59:11.080 --> 1:59:12.400 what type of players. 1:59:12.000 --> 1:59:12.480 Do you like? 1:59:13.400 --> 1:59:16.280 What are do you think their needs are? And like 1:59:16.320 --> 1:59:20.120 where their biggest needs are. So I, personally, you know, 1:59:20.360 --> 1:59:23.280 think that left tackle is their biggest need. So obviously 1:59:23.320 --> 1:59:25.120 I'm going to pound the table for the best left 1:59:25.160 --> 1:59:28.080 tackle in the draft here. Other people might think that 1:59:28.200 --> 1:59:30.680 pass rush is their biggest need, or receivers their biggest need, 1:59:30.760 --> 1:59:32.760 or other people might think Will Campbell's a guard, so 1:59:32.880 --> 1:59:35.960 like you know, there's there's so much variable right now 1:59:35.960 --> 1:59:38.320 to your point of you know, we don't have enough information. 1:59:38.400 --> 1:59:40.720 Then on top of that, I just don't think there's 1:59:40.760 --> 1:59:44.200 a ton separating all the options. So like you can 1:59:44.280 --> 1:59:46.600 make the case for any of these options. Like it's 1:59:46.680 --> 1:59:50.200 not a Mason Graham's case is not bad, right, Like 1:59:50.240 --> 1:59:54.400 there's an actual tangible case, whereas in other years, like 1:59:54.480 --> 1:59:57.680 last year, for example, even though if people made the 1:59:57.760 --> 2:00:00.960 case for Marvin Harrison Junior, it was really quarter it 2:00:00.960 --> 2:00:03.160 was a quarterback, there was always a back, right, So 2:00:03.320 --> 2:00:05.600 like it's just this year is different. There's a bunch 2:00:05.640 --> 2:00:06.560 of different variables. 2:00:06.600 --> 2:00:09.000 There's a case for Ted McMillan. There's yeah, I mean 2:00:09.040 --> 2:00:12.480 there's cases for Carter and Hunter. Whether or not they'll 2:00:12.520 --> 2:00:15.400 be on the board is even that's not consensus at 2:00:15.400 --> 2:00:17.880 this point. There's still people talking about Carter Hunter is 2:00:17.920 --> 2:00:20.560 the pick, and maybe the quarterbacks do push one of 2:00:20.600 --> 2:00:22.080 them down, maybe they end up there, Like we don't 2:00:22.120 --> 2:00:23.000 know that that they're wrong. 2:00:23.160 --> 2:00:26.240 Okay, we gotta be quick, guys on the on the phones, 2:00:26.240 --> 2:00:27.880 but I don't want to leave you guys hanging. So 2:00:28.440 --> 2:00:34.280 Kendall is in North Carolina, it's up Kendall, Hey, good. 2:00:34.040 --> 2:00:37.160 Hey, if we will design Deris Slayton their free agency 2:00:37.280 --> 2:00:42.000 and also Travis Travis Hunter agreed to play receiver and 2:00:42.080 --> 2:00:43.680 we picked him at four. What is the best way 2:00:43.680 --> 2:00:45.560 to use them as a zoor? Thanks? 2:00:45.800 --> 2:00:47.920 Thanks Kendall. I would use Travis Hunter as a Z. 2:00:48.200 --> 2:00:50.720 I think his best usage is as a Z. I 2:00:50.720 --> 2:00:53.240 think his frame and like it just a lack of 2:00:53.440 --> 2:00:55.240 kind of play strength and mass that he has to 2:00:55.320 --> 2:00:57.800 his game. He might struggle a little bit against press 2:00:57.840 --> 2:01:01.040 corners as a true boundary X. That's not saying he 2:01:01.040 --> 2:01:03.480 couldn't do it. Like my con for him is DeVante Smith, 2:01:03.640 --> 2:01:06.440 who does play a little bit of X for Philadelphia 2:01:06.480 --> 2:01:09.200 at times, but is predominantly playing off the line with 2:01:09.360 --> 2:01:11.720 AJ Brown playing the X. So that's how I would 2:01:11.720 --> 2:01:14.000 look at Travis Hunter. And I think Darius Layton could 2:01:14.000 --> 2:01:16.680 play the X. He's a field stretcher, he's a vertical thread, 2:01:17.120 --> 2:01:19.360 he can go isolation. I think he could do those 2:01:19.400 --> 2:01:22.280 types of things. Sean and Ottawa, you're gonna wrap us 2:01:22.320 --> 2:01:23.360 up here, Sean, what's up? 2:01:24.800 --> 2:01:28.240 Hey, I'm gonna give you just a quick scenario here. 2:01:28.320 --> 2:01:31.840 So if Campbell's arms measuring at thirty two and seven 2:01:31.880 --> 2:01:35.720 eight love and you anticipate that Hunter and Carter. 2:01:35.720 --> 2:01:38.040 Off the board at four crime. 2:01:38.040 --> 2:01:41.120 Who would you make your number one pre agent priority? 2:01:41.240 --> 2:01:44.280 And who would you ideally take it for if you 2:01:44.320 --> 2:01:45.480 were the decision maker? 2:01:45.920 --> 2:01:49.160 Thanks for the calls. That is the scenario. 2:01:49.280 --> 2:01:51.200 This is you You really want to get people at 2:01:51.200 --> 2:01:53.960 each other's throats. That that's the one, that's the one 2:01:53.960 --> 2:01:56.920 that is going to be the most divisive. You're You're 2:01:56.960 --> 2:02:00.320 not gonna find two people with the same answer seven 2:02:00.400 --> 2:02:05.440 as uh thirty and eighths and Hunter and Carter off 2:02:05.520 --> 2:02:08.760 the board. This, this is this is the big one. 2:02:10.640 --> 2:02:11.320 Lights are bright. 2:02:11.560 --> 2:02:12.680 I'm still taking Campbell. 2:02:13.600 --> 2:02:14.800 I'm still taking Campbell. 2:02:15.040 --> 2:02:18.840 If you what I can and I get it. It's 2:02:18.840 --> 2:02:22.720 a game of inches, YadA, YadA, YadA. We're talking about 2:02:22.760 --> 2:02:24.640 an eighth of an inch man, Like if that's the 2:02:24.640 --> 2:02:28.200 difference between him being a really good you know, I 2:02:28.480 --> 2:02:31.720 hate to use red franchise, but franchise left tackle and not, 2:02:32.320 --> 2:02:34.960 then I think he's gonna have other issues that contribute 2:02:34.960 --> 2:02:36.520 to the not. It's not gonna be an eighth of 2:02:36.520 --> 2:02:37.360 an inch of an arm line. 2:02:37.360 --> 2:02:38.600 I'm just gonna stick with what I said with the 2:02:38.680 --> 2:02:40.680 quarterbacks last year when people would call and be like, well, 2:02:40.800 --> 2:02:42.880 you know, quarterbacks bust and blah blah blah, And it's 2:02:42.880 --> 2:02:46.320 a risk. I'm not I'm not striking out, looking getting 2:02:46.320 --> 2:02:48.160 the bat off my shoulder. And if I strike and 2:02:48.160 --> 2:02:50.160 you know what, even if I strike out, he's still 2:02:50.160 --> 2:02:51.520 gonna be a damn good guard. And you've got to 2:02:51.520 --> 2:02:53.400 figure out tackle now. And that's unfortunate. And I've also 2:02:53.440 --> 2:02:55.760 said this to you, I think the threshold people are 2:02:55.760 --> 2:02:58.320 expecting from that fourth overall pick in this draft. It 2:02:58.360 --> 2:03:01.200 goes back to the quality of the draft. Like if 2:03:01.320 --> 2:03:04.880 if he's Nate Solder in dramatically different play styles. Yeah, 2:03:04.920 --> 2:03:08.000 but Nate soldiers here for what ten years? Twelve years? 2:03:08.440 --> 2:03:09.280 Wasn't that long, was it? 2:03:09.440 --> 2:03:11.840 But he all right, yeah, seven years and he was 2:03:11.880 --> 2:03:14.120 a solid starting left tackle. He didn't worry about him. 2:03:14.160 --> 2:03:18.040 He wasn't Joe Thomas. But nobody was really here being like, oh, 2:03:18.120 --> 2:03:20.040 they got to replace Nate Solder. They got an upgrade 2:03:20.080 --> 2:03:21.680 Nate Solder, and they had a good roster at the time. 2:03:21.680 --> 2:03:23.480 You could kind of pick and choose like that, Yeah, 2:03:23.600 --> 2:03:25.560 if Will Campbell's that, if you get eight to ten 2:03:25.640 --> 2:03:28.160 years of set it and forget it, left tackle play 2:03:28.400 --> 2:03:30.960 maybe he makes a Pro Bowl or two here or there. Yeah, 2:03:31.160 --> 2:03:32.960 there's somebody else you brought up as a camp in 2:03:33.920 --> 2:03:35.080 Ryan Ramchicks same thing. 2:03:35.240 --> 2:03:37.840 Like thirty three and like, I think it's thirty three 2:03:37.880 --> 2:03:38.280 and a half. 2:03:38.320 --> 2:03:40.120 I know some people hear that and they're like, that's 2:03:40.160 --> 2:03:42.360 not enough for the fourth overall pick in this draft. 2:03:42.400 --> 2:03:45.240 If that's who they get, I'm sleeping like a baby. 2:03:45.400 --> 2:03:46.640 I'm so okay with that. 2:03:46.880 --> 2:03:48.880 Yeah, I think that's a good point. Then you have 2:03:48.960 --> 2:03:51.640 to make the end this in this draft, and then. 2:03:51.600 --> 2:03:55.800 Who who's your top free agent priority? The other question, Josh. 2:03:55.600 --> 2:03:57.560 Swatson, Yeah, that would be. 2:03:57.440 --> 2:03:59.400 My joan Javon Hollins like one bee. 2:03:59.480 --> 2:04:03.720 Yeah, but in this draft you have to realize that 2:04:04.920 --> 2:04:07.480 hitting a double might be what you get in this draft. 2:04:07.560 --> 2:04:09.760 You might not hit the homer in this one. This 2:04:09.880 --> 2:04:11.480 is not it. I don't know if it's built for that. 2:04:11.520 --> 2:04:14.640 And that could be true for Campbell, Graham, Tent, whoever. 2:04:14.840 --> 2:04:18.360 But all those guys I compare Tent to Drake London, like, 2:04:18.440 --> 2:04:21.960 good player, but not Randy Moss, right a player will 2:04:22.000 --> 2:04:25.720 Campbell to Ryan Ramchick, good player, but not Joe Thomas. Right, 2:04:25.960 --> 2:04:29.040 that's all these guys to me in this draft. All right, 2:04:29.360 --> 2:04:32.440 we've been over time here. We'll be back next week 2:04:32.840 --> 2:04:36.800 live from Indianapolis from Radio Row at the Combine. Looking 2:04:36.840 --> 2:04:38.840 forward to that. Alex and I will both be there 2:04:38.880 --> 2:04:41.160 in person, so be a lot of fun, and we'll 2:04:41.200 --> 2:04:44.240 take all your calls and emails, will react to Mike 2:04:44.320 --> 2:04:47.680 Rabel and Elliott Wolf and all the goings on in Indianapolis. 2:04:47.680 --> 2:04:50.240 So until then, signing off for Alex bart Evan Lazar, 2:04:50.640 --> 2:04:53.640 see you next time in Indianapolis. 2:04:57.160 --> 2:05:01.000 Thank you for downloading this podcast, Subscribe on Google Play, 2:05:01.040 --> 2:05:02.440 and everywhere else you listen. 2:05:02.800 --> 2:05:04.920 Like the show, please rate and review us. 2:05:05.160 --> 2:05:07.720 Listener comments and ratings help keep us high on the 2:05:07.720 --> 2:05:11.040 podcast rankings so new listeners can find us. 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